[00:00] <gordon> join tester
[00:26] <pochu> night folks
[00:27] <secretlondon> night
[02:23] <Tuv0k> Bug #208955
[02:23] <ubotu> Launchpad bug 208955 in ubuntu "2.6.24-12 no text after boot" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/208955
[02:24] <Tuv0k> can't understand why its this particular kernel
[02:24] <Tuv0k> I don't know if it does not like the resolution I have it set to upon boot?
[02:25] <Tuv0k> The fact that I have it to show text?
[03:59] <graphx> evening all
[04:46] <mrooney> what is the package for bugs in the "Add/Remove" application? is that actually synaptic?
[04:46] <Flannel> mrooney: no, uh... shoot, I know this.
[04:52] <mrooney> haha, can't remember Flannel?
[04:59] <mrooney> looks like gnome-app-install
[05:00] <persia> mrooney: For GNOME, it is gnome-app-install
[05:04] <Tuv0k> for crying out loud, I have been trying to unsubscribe to bug reports but launchpad keeps saying I'm not allowed here?
[05:06] <mrooney> haha, you are forced to subscribe?
[05:07] <mrooney> by the way would anyone mind marking bug 209072 as Low priority for me?
[05:07] <ubotu> Launchpad bug 209072 in gnome-app-install "A large icon in "add/remove applivations"" [Undecided,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/209072
[05:07] <persia> mrooney: Done
[05:08] <mrooney> persia: thanks!
[05:20] <darthanubis> I got off thanks to #launchpad
[08:46] <Iulian> G'morning.
[10:16] <danue1> Can someone help?
[10:31] <qense> hello
[11:17] <qense> maybe we should start a wiki page or brainstorm like site where we can brainstorm about how to get upstream involved
[11:17] <qense> (more involved actually)
[11:17] <qense> a way to get developers, bug triagers and ideas upstream and here, downstream
[11:18] <qense> Brainstorm has published it code, we could use that
[11:21] <persia> Many upstreams are involved, in one way or another.
[11:21] <persia> Common things are:
[11:21] <persia> * Upstreams having a bug contact who subscribes to LP bugs
[11:22] <persia> * Upstreams having a close relationship with a Debian maintainer who follows LP bugs
[11:22] <persia> * Upstreams having a good bug tracker that integrates well with LP
[11:24] <qense> I know that
[11:24] <qense> but they aren't very visible and the upstream contacts don't have very much rights on their package
[11:25] <qense> and of course we need to have contact with more than just Debian
[11:25] <qense> brainstorm contains a lot of ideas that aren't about Ubuntu or Brainstorm
[11:26] <persia> I agree about multiplicity of contacts, but the special relationship with Debian often means that is a very good path, as the Debian maintainer is often involved with upstream.
[11:26] <persia> For permissions, that's a harder issue.  How are upstreams validated, as compared to the general public?  How should they request rights?  Would it be granted on a per-package basis?
[11:27] <persia> Regarding brainstorm, there are always lots of ideas.  Most just take someone to do it.  Can be upstream or downstream, really.
[11:29] <qense> and also a lot of things that are written here could benefit projects like GNOME or other distribtutions very much
[11:33] <persia> True.  Essentially it needs someone to convert an idea into a spec, a spec into a patch, a patch into a revision, and the revision into a release.  Each step typically requires significant effort.
[11:33] <persia> While asking upstreams to look at brainstorm may help, I tend to believe the best way to handle these is for interested parties to push something to the next step.
[11:33] <danuel> Anyone know what to do in 8.04 for problems with video card resolutions?
[11:34] <danuel> xorg.conf doesn't seem to control resolution.  RandR doesn't recognize the correct resolutions (xrandr -q)
[11:34] <persia> For things on brainstorm, that would be generally writing up the correct behaviour in a clear and useful way (spec), and getting it to the developers (upstream enhancement request or distro spec, depending).
[11:35] <persia> danuel: You may have better luck in #ubuntu+1, although you may have discovered a bug related to your specific hardware, in which case the X maintainers would probably like to get a bug report detailing what went wrong, how it went wrong, along with your configuration files and logs.
[11:36] <qense> there is also #ubuntu-x for...
[11:36] <qense> X issues
[11:36] <danuel> I'm new to Ubuntu, ... -x is for X11? and +1 is for ?
[11:37] <qense> +1 is for the development release
[11:37] <danuel> I see. Thanks
[12:06] <afflux> morning
[12:06] <qense> hello
[12:07] <afflux> huh, I broke bzr
[12:07] <afflux> how embarrasing
[12:07] <qense> in what way?
[12:07] <afflux> locks
[12:07] <qense> ah
[12:08] <qense> you can use the ssh:// protocol in launchpad to surf to it
[12:08] <qense> and delete the lock files
[12:08] <afflux> "Unable to obtain lock file:///home/k/.5-a-day-data/.bzr/branch/lock held by fnord@pentabarf.de on host hegg [process #26877] locked 13 hours, 20 minutes ago"
[12:08] <afflux> yep, I break-lock'ed it
[12:09] <afflux> err, no. it didn't work
[12:11] <qense> someone did commit something to the repository
[12:12] <qense> maybe you have to delete your own lock files
[12:12] <qense> if there are any
[12:13] <danuel> qense, the nvidia-glx-new and nvidia-xconfig worked.  Thanks.
[12:13] <qense> ok
[12:14] <danuel> The only reminaing issue is wireless, broadcom BCM4310 ... any thoughts on that?
[12:14] <qense> you could search at ubuntuforums.org
[12:14] <qense> weird btw :) at #ubuntu+1 there is a discussion about how to report a bug and here a support question :P
[12:15] <danuel> ;)
[12:21] <eternal_fizzer>  hello - complete newbie - I'm running Ubuntu 7.04 - firefox died & won't restart, tried opening update manager, it says software index broken, so opened Synaptic update manager, and tried "fix broken packages" but same problems.
[12:24] <persia> eternal_fizzer: Sounds like you have a corrupt package cache.  You likely want #ubuntu to get someone to help you clean it up.
[12:25] <eternal_fizzer> thanks - I'll try there
[12:49] <qense> hello again
[12:49] <afflux> welcome back qense
[12:49] <afflux> the message about the bzr log was wrong, I just removed and re-pulled the whole branch and now everything works
[12:50] <qense> ok
[13:13] <afflux> anyone with some video/movie experience for bug 162664? I'm unable to confirm any issues, mplayer/totem/vlc looks all nice in my compiz
[13:13] <ubotu> Launchpad bug 162664 in vlc "no video output module play nice with Compiz" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/162664
[13:14] <afflux> with shadows/scaling/wobbly windows and ring switcher
[13:59] <penguin42> I'd like to suggest that #187274 get raised above 'low'
[14:02] <Seveas> bug 187274
[14:02] <ubotu> Launchpad bug 187274 in network-manager "network interface doesnt come up on boot when static ip set" [Low,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/187274
[14:05] <penguin42> I'd like to suggest that #187274 get raised above 'low' - it's also marked as low even though it causes GPM to take all RAM
[14:06] <penguin42> it is marked as 'fixed released' but it's still happening
[14:06] <penguin42> sorry, that's 196688
[14:10] <penguin42> bug 196688
[14:10] <ubotu> Launchpad bug 196688 in gnome-power-manager "GPM in Hardy seems to have a memory leak" [Low,Fix released] https://launchpad.net/bugs/196688
[14:10] <pochu> penguin42: you can start reopening it
[14:11] <pochu> penguin42: I'll do it
[14:14] <penguin42> pochu: For reference what's the right way to do that?
[14:15] <penguin42> it's possible of course it is a different leak; all the latest ones seem to be related to doing things to audio (which is what bit me) - but having GPM eat all your RAM is a bit nasty
[14:15] <pochu> of course it is
[14:16] <pochu> penguin42: click on the arrow next to the status or importance or the package name, and change the Status to Confirmed (or whatever fits better)
[14:16] <pochu> I've already done it and milestoned it for Hardy
[14:17] <pochu> we will have 2.22.1 in, so hopefully it's better than 2.22.0
[14:17] <penguin42> ah ok, back to confirmed
[14:18] <penguin42> pochu: Thanks
[14:18] <pochu> (I already changed the status BTW)
[14:19] <penguin42> The actual upgrade to Hardy has been the cleanest I've had in a long time - only immediate problem was nspluginwrapper not putting links in the right place (which was a known issue) - but coming back from hibernate it's not a happy bunny; that gpm  problem, netowkring not coming back and I'm not 100% convinced audio is right
[14:20] <pochu> network -> I think it's being worked on (look at network-manager bugs)
[14:21] <penguin42> yeh; it's the 187274 I mentioned above I think
[14:35] <bddebian> Boo
[14:35] <secretlondon> hi
[14:35] <penguin42> eep!
[14:39] <bddebian> Hello secretlondon
[14:42] <virtuald> glxinfo says i got no direct rendering even though Xorg.0.log says DRI loads, using the nvidia binary drivers. is there any hope?
[14:50] <virtuald> btw i'm on hardy
[14:50] <secretlondon> #ubuntu+1 is a better place for hardy support
[14:52] <virtuald> ok. i didn't know, and i didn't get more of an answer than that's the problem with compiz using all available cpu time
[14:53] <virtuald> also gnome-settings-daemon crashes on startup, but i don't know what to include in a bug report
[15:01] <emgent> bdmurray: hi, are you there?
[15:01] <secretlondon> idle 223 hours apparently
[17:56] <afflux> just logged into my gnome/hardy account, and my panels were all grey, took about three minutes until they showed up with the applets and starters and so on
[17:57] <afflux> when they were grey, .xsession-errors showed "(gnome-panel:7061): CRITICAL **: panel_applet_frame_change_background: assertion `PANEL_IS_WIDGET (GTK_WIDGET (frame)->parent)' failed"
[17:57] <afflux> when they finished,"(gnome-panel:7061): Gtk-WARNING **: gtk_widget_size_allocate(): attempt to allocate widget with width -5 and height 24" was the only "new" line
[18:05] <mrooney> afflux: oh yeah that is a new feature
[18:06] <afflux> ah, cool :)
[18:06] <mrooney> lots of complaints about panels loading too fast and not giving enough error messages
[18:06] <afflux> right, so you slowed it a bit?
[18:06] <afflux> cool, I was wandering when this will be implemented!
[18:06] <mrooney> yup, no problem!
[18:06] <secretlondon> panels loading too fast??
[18:06] <afflux> yep, I was wandering. right. wondering of course ;)
[18:06] <secretlondon> so booting time deliberately slowed??
[18:07] <mrooney> haha secretlondon I was being extremely sarcastic, I have no idea
[18:07] <secretlondon> right..
[18:08] <afflux> I even seem to be too slow to get a panel running in gdb.
[18:09] <secretlondon> is something using all cpu like e-d-s or xorg?
[18:09] <secretlondon> (there are bugs on both of those about that)
[18:09] <afflux> hm, don't know
[18:10] <afflux> when restarting the panel right now, it works as usual
[18:13] <crimsun> killing the panel(s) doesn't appear to give me the n-m-gnome icon back.  Hmph.
[18:13] <afflux> oh, yes. this is missing
[18:14] <crimsun> then again, I'm using neither metacity nor compiz, so my spouting off is likely discounted ;)
[18:17] <afflux> argh! some jumpy reporter is asking every third second whether or not or why or when or who will sponsor his trivial patch to the archives ("will we get it into hardy? will we? will we? will we?")
[18:38] <mrooney> I wonder what to do with bug 209292, I feel like I read about this somewhere else, maybe a blueprint or something, hmmm
[18:38] <ubotu> Launchpad bug 209292 in ubuntu "Restrict access to users home directory to account owner" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/209292
[19:23] <warrend> hi
[19:30] <warrend> what does 'Triaged' mean?
[19:35] <andrea-bs> warrend: take a look there: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Bugs/Status
[19:35] <warrend> could someone help on this bug: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/usplash/+bug/188764 ?
[19:35] <ubotu> Launchpad bug 188764 in ubiquity "[hardy]640x480 usplash on all computers" [Medium,Confirmed]
[19:42] <afflux> didn't someone ask for that yesterday too?
[19:54] <afflux> anyone with some video/movie experience for bug 162664? I'm unable to confirm any issues, mplayer/totem/vlc looks all nice in my compiz.
[19:54] <ubotu> Launchpad bug 162664 in vlc "no video output module play nice with Compiz" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/162664
[19:56] <warrend> what bug?
[19:57] <afflux> err, see the link from ubotu
[19:57] <warrend> srry didnt see bots msg :p
[19:58] <warrend> what is play nice?
[19:59] <warrend> ow yes had this bug on gnome
[19:59] <warrend> but npt with kaffeine on kubuntu
[19:59] <warrend> but can't help ^^
[20:00] <afflux> k
[20:05] <warrend> could someone help on this bug: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/usplash/+bug/188764 ?
[20:05] <ubotu> Launchpad bug 188764 in ubiquity "[hardy]640x480 usplash on all computers" [Medium,Confirmed]
[20:06] <afflux> warrend: what do you mean by "help"?
[20:08] <warrend> well have a look to get it fixed one day :)
[20:10] <afflux> some developers, propably mjg59 or pitto or  evand  or someone else will eventually take a look at it.
[20:59] <afflux> do you think the backtrace in bug 189706 is enough?
[20:59] <ubotu> Launchpad bug 189706 in python2.5 "python2.5 crashed with SIGSEGV in PyThreadState_New()" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/189706
[21:16] <eduren> im having a problem with ati prop drivers
[21:16] <eduren> was wondering if i should file a report
[21:18] <pochu> afflux: looks more like a qt bug than a python one
[21:44] <warrend> could someone help on this bug: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/usplash/+bug/188764 ?
[21:44] <ubotu> Launchpad bug 188764 in ubiquity "[hardy]640x480 usplash on all computers" [Medium,Confirmed]
[21:55] <greg-g> warrend: what help do you need?
[21:56] <warrend> someone looking at it ;)
[21:56] <warrend> not really help
[21:56] <afflux> warrend: as I said: <afflux> some developers, propably mjg59 or pitto or  evand  or someone else will eventually take a look at it.
[21:57] <warrend> yeah but it's to be sure
[21:57] <greg-g> warrend: it is confirmed/triaged, so the developers will work on it when they can.  Or you are welcome to work on it yourself also.
[21:57] <warrend> ok
[21:58] <warrend> :)
[21:58] <afflux> pochu: possibly. I'm wondering if I should request a new backtrace
[22:07] <greg-g> sidenote: anyone else experiencing long delays when updating their 5-a-day? (the bzr update/commit is painfully slow)
[22:09] <afflux> greg-g: <beuno> juliux: yeap, I suppose it will be fixed by tomorrow (from #launchpad)
[22:10] <greg-g> afflux: thanks :)
[22:10] <afflux> welcome ;)
[22:13] <greg-g> afflux: do you know why it is slow now? (just curious)
[22:13] <afflux> no idea
[22:13] <afflux> but it's about anyone complaining, I'm waiting since 15 minutes on my commit ;)
[22:13] <afflux> yesterday they said it'd be fixed today ... ;)
[22:14] <greg-g> heh, of course ;)
[22:16]  * DOOM_NX gn all
[22:18] <warrend> gn
[22:18] <warrend> ^^
[22:20] <pochu> afflux: perhaps that's already reported in qt, have you checked it?
[22:20] <afflux> pochu: of course not :)
[22:20] <afflux> let me check
[22:24] <pochu> afflux: bear in mind the report is from Gutsy, so perhaps the bug was reported, fixed and closed
[22:30] <greg-g> alright, doing a 'time add-5-a-day ...' :)
[22:36] <afflux> pochu: fairly sure that it's a problem in python-qt3: it tries to get the GIL from python in an atexit handler, where this is impossible
[22:39] <afflux> or maybe it's not the atexit handler but C++ destroying objects on exit
[23:07] <DGMurdockIII> dose ubuntu use pulse audio now
[23:07] <DGMurdockIII> (18:02:47) (saltedlight) i have tried the "normal" upgrade from 7.10 to 8
[23:07] <greg-g> afflux: http://beuno.com.ar/archives/65   :)
[23:07] <DGMurdockIII> dose ubuntu use pulse audio now how would u enale paulse audio in a media player for say
[23:08] <afflux> DGMurdockIII: pulseaudio is enabled per default
[23:08] <afflux> most media players should output to pulseaudio per default
[23:09] <DGMurdockIII> videolan dose not yes and is wonder how we can enalbe it
[23:11] <greg-g> DGMurdockIII: I don't really use videoloan so I can't help you.  But just for your information, #ubuntu is a better place to ask for help.  This channel is for bug triagers and people helping with triaging.  Sorry I can't help you.
[23:11] <afflux> well, #ubuntu+1 woudl be better for hardy
[23:15] <greg-g> oh, right, of course
[23:16] <greg-g> DGMurdockIII: #ubuntu+1 would be best :)
[23:18] <pochu> marnanel: the metacity compositor is nice :)
[23:20] <pochu> marnanel: BTW would it be a metacity task or a gnome-panel one to make the workspace switcher applet dialog (when you click ctrl+alt+right, the small window that appears in the center of the screen) to make it nice using compositing?
[23:25] <pochu> marnanel: nevermind, seems to be GNOME bug #517429
[23:25] <ubotu> Gnome bug 517429 in Iain's compositor "Workspace switcher and all-window switcher should be compositorified" [Enhancement,New] http://bugzilla.gnome.org/show_bug.cgi?id=517429
[23:25] <pochu> ugh, compositorified?
[23:30] <greg-g> love new words :)