| tcpdumpgod | w00t | 05:14 |
|---|---|---|
| JonathanElli1 | jrib: Hello | 05:15 |
| jrib | hi | 05:15 |
| JonathanElli1 | Just waiting for reboot | 05:16 |
| JonathanElli1 | Error message as follows: User's $Home/.dmrc file is being ignored. This prevents the default session and language from being saved. File should be owned by user and have 644 permissions. User's $HOME directory must be owned by user and not writable by other users. | 05:20 |
| jrib | JonathanElli1: hmmm, did you recursively change the permissions on your HOME? | 05:21 |
| JonathanElli1 | I think this was the error previously. In future I will always write error messages down rather than trying to rely on my memory! | 05:21 |
| JonathanElli1 | Erm. It was a few days ago but I think yes, because it seemed the "easy" (sorry, lazy! - please forgive a recent convert from windows) way to set permissions on all the files and directories beneath /home/username. With hindsight I guess I should have changed permissions on /home/username/*.* recursively instead | 05:23 |
| jrib | JonathanElli1: well you shouldn't have needed to change any | 05:23 |
| jrib | JonathanElli1: can you get to a terminal now? | 05:24 |
| JonathanElli1 | Yes. All applications start and I have opened a terminal. Presumably I now need to chmod /home/jonathan 644. Is that right before I break it again?! | 05:24 |
| jrib | JonathanElli1: what does 'ls -ld ~/.dmrc' return? | 05:25 |
| JonathanElli1 | -rw-rw-rw- 1 jonathan jonathan 28 | 05:26 |
| nalioth | JonathanElli1: no | 05:26 |
| jrib | JonathanElli1: k, 'chmod 644 ~/.dmrc' | 05:26 |
| nalioth | JonathanElli1: if you recursively change _all_ the files under your homedir, you will create a brick. | 05:26 |
| JonathanElli1 | I dont understand why my laptop, logged on as the same username and password couldnt access the files | 05:26 |
| nalioth | JonathanElli1: the permissions, that is | 05:26 |
| nalioth | sorry to interrupt, jrib, but i thought i'd throw that in | 05:27 |
| JonathanElli1 | Yes. I already discovered that the hard way! Now we are trying to fix it | 05:27 |
| jrib | JonathanElli1: actually, my ~/.dmrc is 600, so do that instead | 05:27 |
| jrib | sure nalioth | 05:27 |
| nalioth | easiest way is to back up your stuff you want to keep and reinstall :( ( just my opinion ) | 05:27 |
| * nalioth has done this ( recursively chmodded himself ) | 05:28 | |
| JonathanElli1 | What is the difference between 644 and 600, and please don't say 44 :-( | 05:28 |
| jrib | the 44 means read for group and others | 05:28 |
| jrib | "read privileges" | 05:29 |
| JonathanElli1 | Nalioth. Backing up an entire hard drive strikes me as a lot harder than typing half a dozen commands into a terminal! | 05:29 |
| JonathanElli1 | Especially when I couldnt start any applications to actually do the backup | 05:29 |
| jrib | nalioth: if he backs up the data in his home, it's going to retain the permissions anyway though, right? I suppose he could delete all the dot files and let them be recreated | 05:30 |
| nalioth | JonathanElli1: not the whole drive | 05:30 |
| JonathanElli1 | So 600 is rwx for u, 644 is rwx for u plus r for go, correct? | 05:30 |
| nalioth | jrib: i made myself a new user, actually | 05:31 |
| JonathanElli1 | Why do I need to delete anything. Why cant we chmod them back to what they should be | 05:31 |
| jrib | JonathanElli1: when you recursively changed the permissions on your HOME, you performed an operation that is impossible to reverse. It is as though I change all the letters "A" and "B" to "X" and then ask you to tell me what was "A" and what was "B" in the word "XXXXX" | 05:31 |
| nalioth | and transferred over the stuff i needed, as i needed it | 05:31 |
| JonathanElli1 | OK | 05:31 |
| nalioth | JonathanElli1: because they are all different | 05:31 |
| nalioth | JonathanElli1: most are permissioned for you, but some the system has assigned specific perms | 05:32 |
| JonathanElli1 | Yes, your answer came through just before I posted my question | 05:32 |
| jrib | JonathanElli1: your statement about 600 and 644 was correct | 05:32 |
| JonathanElli1 | So why do you suggest 600 when the error message suggested 644? | 05:33 |
| jrib | JonathanElli1: on my system it is 600. You can try both if you like. Both will probably work | 05:33 |
| JonathanElli1 | Hmm. No disrespect intended but I would prefer to do it by the book - ie 644 | 05:34 |
| jrib | go for it | 05:34 |
| JonathanElli1 | So I will do chmod 644 ~/.dmrc Correct? | 05:34 |
| jrib | yes | 05:34 |
| JonathanElli1 | By the way, can you remind me what ~ is and what the . prefix does? | 05:35 |
| jrib | ~ means /home/jonathan | 05:35 |
| jrib | . is part of the filename | 05:35 |
| JonathanElli1 | Yes. There are lots of files prefixed . They seem to be hidden. Does the dot make them hidden or designate them as system files? | 05:36 |
| nalioth | the dot designates a hidden file | 05:37 |
| nalioth | !cli | 05:37 |
| ubotu | The linux terminal or command-line interface is very powerful. Open a terminal via Applications -> Accessories -> Terminal (Gnome) or K-menu -> System -> Konsole (KDE). Guide: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/UsingTheTerminal | 05:37 |
| JonathanElli1 | Thanks. OK. So now the permissions are -rw-r--r-- | 05:38 |
| JonathanElli1 | Now I think I need to create a new user and copy all my documents, music, videos etc to the new user. I guess this will mean that the new user profile (sorry for the windows speak - dont know the correct unix term yet) has correct permissions set for the essential files and directories? | 05:40 |
| JonathanElli1 | Will I then be able to delete the buggered-up jonathan and rename the newuser to jonathan? | 05:41 |
| JonathanElli1 | Or must I delete jonathan and recreate it and copy everything back again? | 05:41 |
| jrib | JonathanElli1: create new user, copy data, transfer ownership of data to new user, delete old user, rename new user. Unfortunately I have to go now though | 05:43 |
| jrib | JonathanElli1: if you can live with a different username until someone else can help or you poke me tomorrow, you should be able to do steps 1-3 above | 05:43 |
| JonathanElli1 | Thanks. I can probably manage 4 & 5 as well. Any idea why the laptop couldnt access the files even though it was logged in as the same user and pwd? Thats why I started the whole fiasco in the first place | 05:44 |
| jrib | JonathanElli1: permissions are determined by uid | 05:45 |
| jrib | a number | 05:45 |
| JonathanElli1 | uid? | 05:45 |
| JonathanElli1 | !uid | 05:45 |
| ubotu | Sorry, I don't know anything about uid - try searching on http://ubotu.ubuntu-nl.org/factoids.cgi | 05:45 |
| jrib | JonathanElli1: type 'id' in your terminal | 05:45 |
| JonathanElli1 | Both laptop and desktop show 1000 for jonathan | 05:46 |
| jrib | JonathanElli1: then it probably should have worked. How did you copy them? | 05:46 |
| JonathanElli1 | So it seems to me that it should have worked | 05:46 |
| JonathanElli1 | Using file manager and navigating to //desktop/jonathan/blahblah | 05:47 |
| jrib | samba? | 05:47 |
| JonathanElli1 | Or possibly ///desktop/jonathan/blahblah | 05:47 |
| JonathanElli1 | No. I shouldnt need samba cos both machines are running ubuntu | 05:48 |
| jrib | how did you copy them? | 05:48 |
| jrib | or how are you accessing the other machine? | 05:48 |
| JonathanElli1 | I dont want anything more to do with windows. By using drag and drop in file manager | 05:48 |
| JonathanElli1 | The two machines are on the same subnet. I forgot to mention I mapped the ip address of the desktop to "desktop" in hosts on the laptop | 05:49 |
| JonathanElli1 | But if you have to go, I can try to get to the bottom of that one another day since I have succesfully copied all the files I need to the laptop. I am very familar with windows networking but there are some peculiarities of ip in linux that I dont know yet | 05:51 |
| JonathanElli1 | Thanks very very much for all your help | 05:51 |
| jrib | JonathanElli1: I don't see what happened right away. You could always repose the question in #ubuntu. | 05:51 |
| jrib | no problem, good night | 05:52 |
| JonathanElli1 | Goodnight - sorry morning | 05:52 |
| jrib | :) | 05:52 |
| visualdeception | are we still having our weekly meeting?? | 18:56 |
| Heartsbane | I am planning on it | 19:03 |
| Heartsbane | I don't know where everyone else is | 19:03 |
| visualdeception | ok | 19:03 |
| visualdeception | i have seen zelut twittering, so I assume he is around somewhere | 19:03 |
| Heartsbane | anyone seen pleia2? | 19:04 |
| Heartsbane | visualdeception: guess we were the only two who remembered to show | 19:09 |
| visualdeception | nice | 19:09 |
| visualdeception | Zelut: ping | 19:10 |
| visualdeception | pleia2, ping | 19:10 |
| Heartsbane | visualdeception: next time we will set them a hiveminder | 19:11 |
| Heartsbane | :) | 19:11 |
| visualdeception | lol one got created yesterday | 19:11 |
| pleia2 | hey | 19:11 |
| visualdeception | i was just going through the tasks | 19:11 |
| Heartsbane | pleia2: hey 2 U | 19:11 |
| visualdeception | hey pleia2 how goes it | 19:12 |
| pleia2 | it goes | 19:13 |
| Heartsbane | visualdeception: what did you get as purposed slogans because I saw one on the mailing list that was good | 19:13 |
| visualdeception | i think the only ones were on the mailing list.... | 19:14 |
| visualdeception | if we can get a consensus on one I'll work on getting it finished up/cleaned up | 19:14 |
| Heartsbane | I liked Ubuntu Classroom - Learn something new every day, or ubuntu classroom - tweak it yourself | 19:15 |
| visualdeception | ok | 19:16 |
| visualdeception | any other feedback? | 19:17 |
| Heartsbane | That is just me, maybe take all the submissions and put them in a list send it out the group since many of them are not here | 19:17 |
| visualdeception | http://linux.dudenhofer.net/ubuntuclassroom.png | 19:18 |
| visualdeception | there is the base image | 19:18 |
| pleia2 | I like the "learn something new every day" one too - not overly fond of the "tweak" one since I think it comes off as a bit nerdy | 19:18 |
| visualdeception | ok, i think I can handle that | 19:19 |
| Heartsbane | I guess we make a quorum 3 votes for 'learn something new everyday' | 19:19 |
| visualdeception | lol | 19:19 |
| Heartsbane | pleia2: any word from Belinda Lopez? | 19:20 |
| pleia2 | Heartsbane: nope :\ | 19:20 |
| Heartsbane | I take it also no word from Jono either? | 19:20 |
| Heartsbane | most likely because of LUG Radio Live? | 19:21 |
| pleia2 | possibly, they're both there | 19:21 |
| Heartsbane | who is going? I am planning on going | 19:21 |
| pleia2 | I did get a note from one of the UOW organizers though, he sent out a call for sessions to all of us who had done them in the past | 19:21 |
| Heartsbane | nice, so I would imagine there is some progress there | 19:22 |
| pleia2 | I forwarded the email to Zelut in case he wanted to follow up, but .. | 19:22 |
| Heartsbane | What did you mean 'they're both there'? | 19:23 |
| Heartsbane | ya but ... | 19:23 |
| pleia2 | Jono and Dinda are both involved with LUG Radio Live | 19:23 |
| pleia2 | "We've begun planning the next Ubuntu Open Week. Right now we have | 19:23 |
| pleia2 | April 28 to May 3rd penciled in as the dates." | 19:23 |
| Heartsbane | Oh I didn't know Dinda was involved | 19:23 |
| visualdeception | do we know who is handling open week? | 19:24 |
| pleia2 | Jorge Castro is the one who sent out the email | 19:25 |
| pleia2 | I don't know him | 19:25 |
| Zelut | sorry, had to tend to the baby | 19:26 |
| Zelut | I know Jorge.. I can talk to him | 19:26 |
| Heartsbane | Isn't that Jono's counterpart/assistant to Jono | 19:26 |
| Zelut | Heartsbane: yeah | 19:26 |
| Heartsbane | sorry Community Manager... | 19:26 |
| Heartsbane | okay I guess that brings us to Classroom Guidelines, has anyone read this lately other than me? | 19:28 |
| visualdeception | link? | 19:29 |
| Heartsbane | https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Classroom/Guidelines | 19:29 |
| Heartsbane | I was going to start there, but the only interested in feeback about what still should apply was RyanC | 19:30 |
| pleia2 | I don't like the GUI & CLI requirement | 19:30 |
| Heartsbane | really because? | 19:31 |
| pleia2 | people tend to do one or the other, not always easy to find an expert in both or two experts who are available and willing at the same time | 19:31 |
| Heartsbane | I can understand that | 19:32 |
| visualdeception | and since we are starting over again, we will probably be recruiting people to teach rather than waiting on volunteers | 19:32 |
| * pleia2 nods | 19:33 | |
| pleia2 | I think in general the guidelines were there back in the day for the off chance that someone did volunteer and wanted some instructions (there was a fair amount of recruiting and in house teaching then too) | 19:34 |
| Heartsbane | other than that, anyone feel that anything needs to be changed | 19:35 |
| pleia2 | I think we might consider changing the 1.2 section at some point - but leave modifying that until we have some experience as to what works | 19:36 |
| pleia2 | 1.2.1 that is | 19:36 |
| Heartsbane | in what way, are you saying that +m to the channel probably won't be necessary, or atleast at the start? | 19:37 |
| pleia2 | yeah, or the way of asking questions could be loosened up somehow | 19:38 |
| Heartsbane | okay | 19:39 |
| pleia2 | UOW tends not to set +m unless requested, and then the lesson people can always /msg the ops to change channel settings if things get out of hand, or they want freer conversation | 19:39 |
| Heartsbane | Usually every UOW I have seen is +m, but we will see how it goes | 19:40 |
| Heartsbane | okay I will make those adjustments, as well as work on incooperating it nicely into the front page, show it off next meeting :) | 19:40 |
| visualdeception | cool | 19:40 |
| Heartsbane | Lets go back to Logo/Slogan review for a second since we have 1 more now | 19:41 |
| Heartsbane | is Christer still out there? | 19:41 |
| Heartsbane | guess not, visualdeception lets just go with 'learn something new everyday' | 19:43 |
| Heartsbane | make a submission to the mailing list so everyone can have their input | 19:43 |
| Heartsbane | that would be my suggestion | 19:43 |
| visualdeception | i can handle that | 19:43 |
| Heartsbane | give it a week, and then if that idea floats, we sail on it | 19:44 |
| pleia2 | sounds good | 19:44 |
| visualdeception | ok | 19:44 |
| Heartsbane | I guy RyanC is still working a blootbot/mootbot/waytomanykindabots solution | 19:45 |
| Heartsbane | we have a blootbot variant in my LoCo channel and I love it | 19:46 |
| pleia2 | solution for? | 19:46 |
| Heartsbane | factoids, editing 's/soltion/solutions/g'/reminders | 19:46 |
| Heartsbane | I don't know, I was hoping to hear more about the idea | 19:47 |
| pleia2 | ok | 19:48 |
| Heartsbane | pleia2: it was coded by Tim Riker, a Debian Dev | 19:48 |
| Heartsbane | I know you are still use Debian or so I have read | 19:48 |
| pleia2 | yeah, and I'm a package maintainer | 19:49 |
| Heartsbane | I don't know if you know his name | 19:49 |
| pleia2 | what does the bot do in your loco channel exactly? | 19:49 |
| Heartsbane | onjoin reminders, factoids, logging, editting typos | 19:49 |
| pleia2 | I see | 19:50 |
| Heartsbane | that is all I have ever seen it do, I just want to hear RyanC ideas about what he wanted to do with it | 19:50 |
| * pleia2 nods | 19:50 | |
| Heartsbane | so I guess that is still postponed | 19:51 |
| Heartsbane | Last item, has anyone contacted anyone to present other than US Teams | 19:51 |
| Zelut | i have not | 19:52 |
| Zelut | looks like i lost connection for 10min in there. I'm going to have to get the logs later :( | 19:52 |
| Heartsbane | any ideas? desktop? gasp? exaile? KDE? any thoughts? | 19:54 |
| pleia2 | I think the Bug Squashing Team would be particularly open to giving classes | 19:54 |
| Heartsbane | maybe a idea by First Week in April ... really cause I would really like that | 19:55 |
| Heartsbane | Anyone want to handle that? | 19:57 |
| pleia2 | what, coming up with ideas on what teams to contact? | 19:58 |
| Heartsbane | Yes, or contacting some teams because eventually we are going to have to contact someone, because I don't think they are going to contact us | 19:59 |
| Heartsbane | Well I guess I will type this up, and post it tonight | 20:04 |
| Heartsbane | later | 20:04 |
| pleia2 | thanks Heartsbane | 20:04 |
| visualdeception | thanks! | 20:04 |
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