[05:14] w00t [05:15] jrib: Hello [05:15] hi [05:16] Just waiting for reboot [05:20] Error message as follows: User's $Home/.dmrc file is being ignored. This prevents the default session and language from being saved. File should be owned by user and have 644 permissions. User's $HOME directory must be owned by user and not writable by other users. [05:21] JonathanElli1: hmmm, did you recursively change the permissions on your HOME? [05:21] I think this was the error previously. In future I will always write error messages down rather than trying to rely on my memory! [05:23] Erm. It was a few days ago but I think yes, because it seemed the "easy" (sorry, lazy! - please forgive a recent convert from windows) way to set permissions on all the files and directories beneath /home/username. With hindsight I guess I should have changed permissions on /home/username/*.* recursively instead [05:23] JonathanElli1: well you shouldn't have needed to change any [05:24] JonathanElli1: can you get to a terminal now? [05:24] Yes. All applications start and I have opened a terminal. Presumably I now need to chmod /home/jonathan 644. Is that right before I break it again?! [05:25] JonathanElli1: what does 'ls -ld ~/.dmrc' return? [05:26] -rw-rw-rw- 1 jonathan jonathan 28 [05:26] JonathanElli1: no [05:26] JonathanElli1: k, 'chmod 644 ~/.dmrc' [05:26] JonathanElli1: if you recursively change _all_ the files under your homedir, you will create a brick. [05:26] I dont understand why my laptop, logged on as the same username and password couldnt access the files [05:26] JonathanElli1: the permissions, that is [05:27] sorry to interrupt, jrib, but i thought i'd throw that in [05:27] Yes. I already discovered that the hard way! Now we are trying to fix it [05:27] JonathanElli1: actually, my ~/.dmrc is 600, so do that instead [05:27] sure nalioth [05:27] easiest way is to back up your stuff you want to keep and reinstall :( ( just my opinion ) [05:28] * nalioth has done this ( recursively chmodded himself ) [05:28] What is the difference between 644 and 600, and please don't say 44 :-( [05:28] the 44 means read for group and others [05:29] "read privileges" [05:29] Nalioth. Backing up an entire hard drive strikes me as a lot harder than typing half a dozen commands into a terminal! [05:29] Especially when I couldnt start any applications to actually do the backup [05:30] nalioth: if he backs up the data in his home, it's going to retain the permissions anyway though, right? I suppose he could delete all the dot files and let them be recreated [05:30] JonathanElli1: not the whole drive [05:30] So 600 is rwx for u, 644 is rwx for u plus r for go, correct? [05:31] jrib: i made myself a new user, actually [05:31] Why do I need to delete anything. Why cant we chmod them back to what they should be [05:31] JonathanElli1: when you recursively changed the permissions on your HOME, you performed an operation that is impossible to reverse. It is as though I change all the letters "A" and "B" to "X" and then ask you to tell me what was "A" and what was "B" in the word "XXXXX" [05:31] and transferred over the stuff i needed, as i needed it [05:31] OK [05:31] JonathanElli1: because they are all different [05:32] JonathanElli1: most are permissioned for you, but some the system has assigned specific perms [05:32] Yes, your answer came through just before I posted my question [05:32] JonathanElli1: your statement about 600 and 644 was correct [05:33] So why do you suggest 600 when the error message suggested 644? [05:33] JonathanElli1: on my system it is 600. You can try both if you like. Both will probably work [05:34] Hmm. No disrespect intended but I would prefer to do it by the book - ie 644 [05:34] go for it [05:34] So I will do chmod 644 ~/.dmrc Correct? [05:34] yes [05:35] By the way, can you remind me what ~ is and what the . prefix does? [05:35] ~ means /home/jonathan [05:35] . is part of the filename [05:36] Yes. There are lots of files prefixed . They seem to be hidden. Does the dot make them hidden or designate them as system files? [05:37] the dot designates a hidden file [05:37] !cli [05:37] The linux terminal or command-line interface is very powerful. Open a terminal via Applications -> Accessories -> Terminal (Gnome) or K-menu -> System -> Konsole (KDE). Guide: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/UsingTheTerminal [05:38] Thanks. OK. So now the permissions are -rw-r--r-- [05:40] Now I think I need to create a new user and copy all my documents, music, videos etc to the new user. I guess this will mean that the new user profile (sorry for the windows speak - dont know the correct unix term yet) has correct permissions set for the essential files and directories? [05:41] Will I then be able to delete the buggered-up jonathan and rename the newuser to jonathan? [05:41] Or must I delete jonathan and recreate it and copy everything back again? [05:43] JonathanElli1: create new user, copy data, transfer ownership of data to new user, delete old user, rename new user. Unfortunately I have to go now though [05:43] JonathanElli1: if you can live with a different username until someone else can help or you poke me tomorrow, you should be able to do steps 1-3 above [05:44] Thanks. I can probably manage 4 & 5 as well. Any idea why the laptop couldnt access the files even though it was logged in as the same user and pwd? Thats why I started the whole fiasco in the first place [05:45] JonathanElli1: permissions are determined by uid [05:45] a number [05:45] uid? [05:45] !uid [05:45] Sorry, I don't know anything about uid - try searching on http://ubotu.ubuntu-nl.org/factoids.cgi [05:45] JonathanElli1: type 'id' in your terminal [05:46] Both laptop and desktop show 1000 for jonathan [05:46] JonathanElli1: then it probably should have worked. How did you copy them? [05:46] So it seems to me that it should have worked [05:47] Using file manager and navigating to //desktop/jonathan/blahblah [05:47] samba? [05:47] Or possibly ///desktop/jonathan/blahblah [05:48] No. I shouldnt need samba cos both machines are running ubuntu [05:48] how did you copy them? [05:48] or how are you accessing the other machine? [05:48] I dont want anything more to do with windows. By using drag and drop in file manager [05:49] The two machines are on the same subnet. I forgot to mention I mapped the ip address of the desktop to "desktop" in hosts on the laptop [05:51] But if you have to go, I can try to get to the bottom of that one another day since I have succesfully copied all the files I need to the laptop. I am very familar with windows networking but there are some peculiarities of ip in linux that I dont know yet [05:51] Thanks very very much for all your help [05:51] JonathanElli1: I don't see what happened right away. You could always repose the question in #ubuntu. [05:52] no problem, good night [05:52] Goodnight - sorry morning [05:52] :) [18:56] are we still having our weekly meeting?? [19:03] I am planning on it [19:03] I don't know where everyone else is [19:03] ok [19:03] i have seen zelut twittering, so I assume he is around somewhere [19:04] anyone seen pleia2? [19:09] visualdeception: guess we were the only two who remembered to show [19:09] nice [19:10] Zelut: ping [19:10] pleia2, ping [19:11] visualdeception: next time we will set them a hiveminder [19:11] :) [19:11] lol one got created yesterday [19:11] hey [19:11] i was just going through the tasks [19:11] pleia2: hey 2 U [19:12] hey pleia2 how goes it [19:13] it goes [19:13] visualdeception: what did you get as purposed slogans because I saw one on the mailing list that was good [19:14] i think the only ones were on the mailing list.... [19:14] if we can get a consensus on one I'll work on getting it finished up/cleaned up [19:15] I liked Ubuntu Classroom - Learn something new every day, or ubuntu classroom - tweak it yourself [19:16] ok [19:17] any other feedback? [19:17] That is just me, maybe take all the submissions and put them in a list send it out the group since many of them are not here [19:18] http://linux.dudenhofer.net/ubuntuclassroom.png [19:18] there is the base image [19:18] I like the "learn something new every day" one too - not overly fond of the "tweak" one since I think it comes off as a bit nerdy [19:19] ok, i think I can handle that [19:19] I guess we make a quorum 3 votes for 'learn something new everyday' [19:19] lol [19:20] pleia2: any word from Belinda Lopez? [19:20] Heartsbane: nope :\ [19:20] I take it also no word from Jono either? [19:21] most likely because of LUG Radio Live? [19:21] possibly, they're both there [19:21] who is going? I am planning on going [19:21] I did get a note from one of the UOW organizers though, he sent out a call for sessions to all of us who had done them in the past [19:22] nice, so I would imagine there is some progress there [19:22] I forwarded the email to Zelut in case he wanted to follow up, but .. [19:23] What did you mean 'they're both there'? [19:23] ya but ... [19:23] Jono and Dinda are both involved with LUG Radio Live [19:23] "We've begun planning the next Ubuntu Open Week. Right now we have [19:23] April 28 to May 3rd penciled in as the dates." [19:23] Oh I didn't know Dinda was involved [19:24] do we know who is handling open week? [19:25] Jorge Castro is the one who sent out the email [19:25] I don't know him [19:26] sorry, had to tend to the baby [19:26] I know Jorge.. I can talk to him [19:26] Isn't that Jono's counterpart/assistant to Jono [19:26] Heartsbane: yeah [19:26] sorry Community Manager... [19:28] okay I guess that brings us to Classroom Guidelines, has anyone read this lately other than me? [19:29] link? [19:29] https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Classroom/Guidelines [19:30] I was going to start there, but the only interested in feeback about what still should apply was RyanC [19:30] I don't like the GUI & CLI requirement [19:31] really because? [19:31] people tend to do one or the other, not always easy to find an expert in both or two experts who are available and willing at the same time [19:32] I can understand that [19:32] and since we are starting over again, we will probably be recruiting people to teach rather than waiting on volunteers [19:33] * pleia2 nods [19:34] I think in general the guidelines were there back in the day for the off chance that someone did volunteer and wanted some instructions (there was a fair amount of recruiting and in house teaching then too) [19:35] other than that, anyone feel that anything needs to be changed [19:36] I think we might consider changing the 1.2 section at some point - but leave modifying that until we have some experience as to what works [19:36] 1.2.1 that is [19:37] in what way, are you saying that +m to the channel probably won't be necessary, or atleast at the start? [19:38] yeah, or the way of asking questions could be loosened up somehow [19:39] okay [19:39] UOW tends not to set +m unless requested, and then the lesson people can always /msg the ops to change channel settings if things get out of hand, or they want freer conversation [19:40] Usually every UOW I have seen is +m, but we will see how it goes [19:40] okay I will make those adjustments, as well as work on incooperating it nicely into the front page, show it off next meeting :) [19:40] cool [19:41] Lets go back to Logo/Slogan review for a second since we have 1 more now [19:41] is Christer still out there? [19:43] guess not, visualdeception lets just go with 'learn something new everyday' [19:43] make a submission to the mailing list so everyone can have their input [19:43] that would be my suggestion [19:43] i can handle that [19:44] give it a week, and then if that idea floats, we sail on it [19:44] sounds good [19:44] ok [19:45] I guy RyanC is still working a blootbot/mootbot/waytomanykindabots solution [19:46] we have a blootbot variant in my LoCo channel and I love it [19:46] solution for? [19:46] factoids, editing 's/soltion/solutions/g'/reminders [19:47] I don't know, I was hoping to hear more about the idea [19:48] ok [19:48] pleia2: it was coded by Tim Riker, a Debian Dev [19:48] I know you are still use Debian or so I have read [19:49] yeah, and I'm a package maintainer [19:49] I don't know if you know his name [19:49] what does the bot do in your loco channel exactly? [19:49] onjoin reminders, factoids, logging, editting typos [19:50] I see [19:50] that is all I have ever seen it do, I just want to hear RyanC ideas about what he wanted to do with it [19:50] * pleia2 nods [19:51] so I guess that is still postponed [19:51] Last item, has anyone contacted anyone to present other than US Teams [19:52] i have not [19:52] looks like i lost connection for 10min in there. I'm going to have to get the logs later :( [19:54] any ideas? desktop? gasp? exaile? KDE? any thoughts? [19:54] I think the Bug Squashing Team would be particularly open to giving classes [19:55] maybe a idea by First Week in April ... really cause I would really like that [19:57] Anyone want to handle that? [19:58] what, coming up with ideas on what teams to contact? [19:59] Yes, or contacting some teams because eventually we are going to have to contact someone, because I don't think they are going to contact us [20:04] Well I guess I will type this up, and post it tonight [20:04] later [20:04] thanks Heartsbane [20:04] thanks!