| bryce | \sh_away: inkscape 0.46 is already in hardy | 00:01 |
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| dbmood1 | oi we have bug with ubuntu gutsy and local time in australia in in nsw | 00:19 |
| dbmood1 | we need the time to move forwards one hour -- ntp is not providing the proper time | 00:19 |
| dbmood1 | this is a major problem for security etc. and needs to be worked on as soon as possible | 00:20 |
| ScottK | StevenK: ^^^ How's your time now? | 00:20 |
| dbmood1 | 11:20 instead of 10:20 | 00:20 |
| dbmood1 | i will to go tzdata now and see if i can fix it | 00:21 |
| dbmood1 | http://www.timeanddate.com/worldclock/city.html?n=240 | 00:21 |
| Fujitsu | dbmood1: Timezones won't change for another week. | 00:21 |
| Fujitsu | It changed this year. It's the first week in April. | 00:21 |
| dbmood1 | http://www.abc.net.au/news/stories/2008/03/30/2202804.htm | 00:21 |
| dbmood1 | it needs to be moved -- forwards and then back | 00:22 |
| dbmood1 | Fujitsu: yes you are normal correct it was changed | 00:22 |
| Fujitsu | We should still be +11. | 00:22 |
| Fujitsu | Is it not 0021 UTC at the moment? | 00:22 |
| sistpoty | well, UTC doesn't change, does it? | 00:23 |
| dbmood1 | let me try apply utc | 00:23 |
| Fujitsu | It doesn't, but my system says it's 1123 local time. | 00:23 |
| dbmood1 | its 00:23:31 according to my altered clock | 00:23 |
| dbmood1 | as in put back for daylight savings | 00:23 |
| Fujitsu | All of my systems are correctly still +11. | 00:24 |
| Fujitsu | THey weren't meant to switch back, and didn't. | 00:24 |
| Fujitsu | I checked this some weeks ago. | 00:24 |
| dbmood1 | what ? | 00:24 |
| sistpoty | dbmood1: I saw a new tzdata coming in recently (maybe today, not too sure). do you have that installed already? | 00:24 |
| sistpoty | (for gutsy) | 00:24 |
| dbmood1 | i'm using ntpd to update too... | 00:24 |
| dbmood1 | is that a problem ? | 00:25 |
| Fujitsu | We're not meant to switch from +11 to +10 for another week. My Dapper, Gutsy, Hardy systems haven't switched yet. | 00:25 |
| dbmood1 | well i have just switched | 00:25 |
| Fujitsu | dbmood1: Which version of Ubuntu are you running? | 00:25 |
| sistpoty | Fujitsu: lucky you... I'm loosing an hour tonight already :( | 00:25 |
| dbmood1 | 7.10 here i can check hardy | 00:25 |
| Fujitsu | dpkg -l tzdata | 00:25 |
| dbmood1 | Desired=Unknown/Install/Remove/Purge/Hold | 00:26 |
| dbmood1 | | Status=Not/Installed/Config-f/Unpacked/Failed-cfg/Half-inst/t-aWait/T-pend | 00:26 |
| dbmood1 | |/ Err?=(none)/Hold/Reinst-required/X=both-problems (Status,Err: uppercase=bad) | 00:26 |
| dbmood1 | ||/ Name Version Description | 00:26 |
| dbmood1 | +++-==============-==============-============================================ | 00:26 |
| dbmood1 | ii tzdata 2007f-3ubuntu1 time zone and daylight-saving time data | 00:26 |
| dbmood1 | i might have my updates screwy ? | 00:26 |
| Fujitsu | Ooh, damn. | 00:27 |
| Fujitsu | You're right. | 00:27 |
| dbmood1 | is it just me ? | 00:28 |
| dbmood1 | or ... | 00:28 |
| Fujitsu | 2007f-3ubuntu1 is too old, I think. | 00:28 |
| * Fujitsu looks harder. | 00:28 | |
| dbmood1 | rofl oh cool | 00:28 |
| Fujitsu | I'm thoroughly confused. | 00:28 |
| dbmood1 | thank you | 00:28 |
| dbmood1 | sorry | 00:28 |
| dbmood1 | seems all is fine | 00:28 |
| dbmood1 | but iinet my isp repos are slightly outdated | 00:28 |
| dbmood1 | or something | 00:28 |
| dbmood1 | oh wait .... was the tz.. thing a recommended update ? because i don't have those ticked | 00:29 |
| ion_ | Let's just get rid of the stupid DST altogether. :-) | 00:29 |
| Fujitsu | Oh what. | 00:29 |
| Fujitsu | WHy the heck did this only go into -updates? | 00:29 |
| dbmood1 | let me tick recommended and see what happens | 00:29 |
| Fujitsu | dbmood1: That's the problem. | 00:29 |
| dbmood1 | its a security bug it should be in security too tho | 00:30 |
| Fujitsu | The update has been in *-updates since 2008/03/07. | 00:30 |
| dbmood1 | i don't imagine many people to have recommended ticked | 00:30 |
| Fujitsu | But not in -security. | 00:30 |
| Fujitsu | Most people should. | 00:30 |
| Fujitsu | This sort of update should really go into -security, I think... | 00:30 |
| dbmood1 | is it default ? | 00:30 |
| Fujitsu | As it's utterly critical. | 00:30 |
| Fujitsu | I believe it is on by default. | 00:30 |
| dbmood1 | hopefully | 00:30 |
| dbmood1 | -- what about for lts and the server releases -- yeah that fixed it | 00:31 |
| pwnguin | how is a tzdata bug a security bug? | 00:35 |
| dbmood1 | well if you have encryption that is based on time etc. / you get time based attacks | 00:35 |
| pwnguin | because you're an hour off from everyone else? | 00:36 |
| dbmood1 | ........a whole hour | 00:36 |
| dbmood1 | yes | 00:36 |
| dbmood1 | got an end user to confirm (hopefully didn't touch it) that she doesnt' have the correct time .... | 00:40 |
| dbmood1 | no wait | 00:40 |
| dbmood1 | she got the update | 00:40 |
| pwnguin | well, there's a hardy tz bug | 00:40 |
| dbmood1 | well i will know the full answer when she returns... | 00:42 |
| keescook | doko: got any pointers for pycentral usage with a package that has SWIG python bindings? I seem to be missing some critical step -- everything gets built and installed but python can't seem to find it... | 00:43 |
| dbmood1 | but my debian box has the correct time it seems and this is an etch box... zdata 2007j-1etch1 Time Zone and Daylight Saving Time Data Australia/Sydney Sat Apr 5 15:59:59 2008 UTC = Sun Apr 6 02:59:59 2008 EST isdst=1 gmtoff=39600 | 00:44 |
| dbmood1 | Australia/Sydney Sat Apr 5 16:00:00 2008 UTC = Sun Apr 6 02:00:00 2008 EST isdst=0 gmtoff=36000 | 00:44 |
| dbmood1 | sorry to be so spamish i will be quiet except to tell you the out come of the lady's update | 00:44 |
| Fujitsu | The change was made in 2007g. | 00:46 |
| slangasek | pwnguin: hrm? what tz bugs are there in hardy? | 00:46 |
| slangasek | pwnguin: more precisely, why is there no bug report about this that's importance: high and milestoned for the release? :) | 00:46 |
| Fujitsu | So anybody who has updated from -updates since 2007/10/20 will have the changes. | 00:46 |
| Fujitsu | If tzdata updates are only pushed to -updates, it shouldn't be `Recommended updates', it should be `Critical (unless you don't care about even slight accuracy of time) updates' | 00:47 |
| pwnguin | slangasek: they're actually bugs in gnome-clock-applet | 00:48 |
| dbmood1 | in this case it is an hour off and they - end users who might not have it ticked will have it off - some admins might not want to allow the recommended -- or know about the change yet -- they probably have them off | 00:48 |
| pwnguin | slangasek: apparently it doesn | 00:49 |
| slangasek | pwnguin: oh, I guess you mean the fact that gnome-panel guesses your timezone wrong | 00:49 |
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| pwnguin | yes. just mentioning it in case the above "end user" was merely judging from hardy, etc | 00:50 |
| dbmoodb | apparently if you do not turn ntp on the time even with the correct tzdata will not fix the problem immediately (end user result) -- hope you guys can start looking into this --- seems easy to fix and blah (package seems to be fine -- waiting for sometime i guess) | 00:53 |
| mttr | i installed the beta,, everthing went well but grub doesn't like the partition | 00:55 |
| Fujitsu | mttr: #ubuntu+1. | 00:55 |
| mttr | np | 00:55 |
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| _MMA_ | gah.. After new updates GDM sound nor logout sounds work. :( | 02:27 |
| jdong | _MMA_: and you're sad? | 02:28 |
| _MMA_ | Well a little more than sad because this has been something that has broke for one reason or another for 2 releases now. But I don't wanna be a di*k about it yet. | 02:30 |
| ion_ | dirk? | 02:32 |
| _MMA_ | dick | 02:32 |
| ion_ | Ah, right. I thought you mean dink. | 02:32 |
| _MMA_ | If ya wanna be a smart-ass. ;) | 02:32 |
| _MMA_ | Oh well. I'll work on it Monday. | 02:35 |
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| lifeless | there will be a short outage to the wiki and bazaar.launchpad.net, to hoepfully address the bazaar.launchpad.net performance problems | 03:04 |
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| Hobbsee | ah yes, australian time confusion | 11:17 |
| ompaul | we got 11 hours gap or 9 now? | 11:18 |
| ompaul | you fell back and we went fortward | 11:18 |
| Seveas | @now sydney | 11:18 |
| ubotu | Current time in Australia/Sydney: March 30 2008, 20:18:58 - Next meeting: Server Team in 3 days | 11:18 |
| ompaul | so 9 | 11:18 |
| ompaul | no | 11:19 |
| Seveas | 8 for me | 11:19 |
| Seveas | 9 for you | 11:19 |
| Hobbsee | Seveas: that's wrong. | 11:19 |
| Hobbsee | Seveas: it's currently 9.18pm | 11:19 |
| Seveas | ah | 11:19 |
| ompaul | Hobbsee, you don't change for two weeks iirc | 11:19 |
| Seveas | Hobbsee, hmm, odd | 11:19 |
| Hobbsee | ompaul: yeah. something like that. i only noticed when the pin clock for work was showing the wrong time. | 11:19 |
| ompaul | Seveas, they are auzzies ;-) | 11:19 |
| * Hobbsee beats ompaul before he can run away | 11:20 | |
| * ompaul buys Hobbsee a cup of tea and tells her to work on getting her country to change time in sync with the rest of the planet (or close enough that it don't matter) | 11:20 | |
| Seveas | there's no python-tz update for dapper | 11:20 |
| Seveas | fun :/ | 11:21 |
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| slangasek | ompaul: so every time some government nutter up here decides to extend DST by another few weeks, Australia should get a few weeks less DST? :) | 11:36 |
| pwnguin | sounds great | 11:38 |
| * persia discourages synchronisation. Conference calls are annoying when there is more than one time transition happening the same week | 11:39 | |
| Hobbsee | persia: this is why we all deal in UTC. | 11:40 |
| Hobbsee | this must mean that the UK/AU time crossover gets significantly worse again, though | 11:41 |
| persia | Hobbsee: True, although I've recently discovered that some people confuse UTC and British Time | 11:41 |
| Hobbsee | yeah, true | 11:41 |
| Fujitsu | I find it most unfortunate that those without -updates enabled are doomed to have incorrect times. | 11:43 |
| persia | I think anyone living in a country that changes the clocks is doomed to have incorrect times once in a while. | 11:43 |
| Fujitsu | If you have -updates, you're safe. | 11:44 |
| persia | (excepting at least Argentina) | 11:47 |
| Fujitsu | Well, if we're *really* quick... | 11:50 |
| persia | heh | 11:51 |
| ompaul | slangasek, na there is normally a two week lag between .eu and .au | 12:38 |
| ompaul | slangasek, after that you factor in the nutters ;-) | 12:38 |
| Seveas | ompaul, that's not just with DST | 12:38 |
| StevenK | Actually, NSW comes first. Except they've changed it so that all of .au changes DST (the states that use it) at the same time | 12:40 |
| persia | StevenK: Not only the same day, but the same time? | 12:41 |
| StevenK | persia: Well, I mean the same day. It used to be NSW dropped DST today, and the rest followed a week later. Now we all have to wait until next week | 12:43 |
| StevenK | (And well done Telstra for having your time sources on the phone network jump back an hour today) | 12:43 |
| Nafallo | lol | 12:44 |
| persia | Ah. That makes more sense. I thought it was something like 4am in the east, 3am in the middle, and 1am in the west | 12:44 |
| StevenK | Actually, 4am in the east, 3:30am in the middle and 1am in the west | 12:45 |
| persia | Err. Never mind the bit about the west | 12:45 |
| persia | Huh? I thought there was a timezone between Melbourne and Adelaide. Time to study the time map again | 12:45 |
| StevenK | There is. | 12:46 |
| StevenK | Melbourne is +1100, and Adelaide is +1030 | 12:46 |
| StevenK | Perth is +0800 | 12:46 |
| StevenK | (After next week, it's +1000, +0930, +0800) | 12:47 |
| persia | Ah. And Victoria and NSW are the same. Right. And summer time expires in West Australia in 2009. | 12:48 |
| StevenK | persia: Yes, Victoria and NSW are the same in terms of DST. Queensland is not. | 12:50 |
| persia | Ah. That was the source of confusion. Thank you. | 12:51 |
| emgent | hello | 13:38 |
| pitti | lamont: look at what? | 13:55 |
| pitti | lamont: sorry, tab error; unping | 13:56 |
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| emgent | hi dendrobates :) | 14:58 |
| Riddell | calc: KDE 4 uses shared-mime-info, KDE 3 not | 16:51 |
| keescook | why does glib2.0 have such an odd version number? it's less than the unstable version it's based off of | 18:24 |
| keescook | it really should be named 2ubuntu1 not ~hardy1 | 18:24 |
| jdong | I was wondering about that too | 18:27 |
| calc | Riddell: is there a way for me to query what kde 3 uses for particular files to see what i need | 18:38 |
| keescook | jdong: 209308 | 18:46 |
| jdong | bug 209308 | 18:46 |
| ubotu | Launchpad bug 209308 in glib2.0 "glib2.0 version is wrong" [Undecided,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/209308 | 18:46 |
| jdong | cool | 18:47 |
| calc | doko: how is the progress on the i18n stuff? | 18:54 |
| doko | looking ... | 18:54 |
| calc | doko: i'm testing my first full build right now, so it might be ready for upload tomorrow | 18:55 |
| doko | yes, second build finished, I'll let you know tonight | 18:55 |
| calc | doko: great :) | 18:55 |
| ffm | Does anyone here work on wubi? | 19:11 |
| calc | the cairo patch fixes OOo font display issues :) | 19:13 |
| protonchris | calc: which patch? | 19:14 |
| jdong | calc: so I have to scroll back 24hrs in my IRC logs to understand the context of that statement? :D | 19:14 |
| calc | jdong: no, if you notice OOo fonts have looked wrong for like forever, they will be fixed probably tomorrow (when i manage to upload) | 19:15 |
| calc | it was using cairo/libfreetype incorrectly :) | 19:15 |
| jdong | calc: awesome! and yes, I have noticed that | 19:15 |
| calc | i don't remember which bug report had the patch there were many related bug reports about OOo fonts looking bad | 19:16 |
| calc | it appears it doesn't do subpixel smoothing but works for the other settings | 19:18 |
| calc | jdong: yea i see you were one of the people commenting on the oldest of the fonts bugs | 19:21 |
| jdong | I vaguely recall filing a sarcastic bug or two on that when I felt in a particularly bad mood :D | 19:22 |
| calc | jdong: heh :)( | 19:22 |
| calc | er :) | 19:22 |
| * calc has fat fingers | 19:22 | |
| tjaalton | calc: will impress support 3D effects too? | 19:24 |
| calc | tjaalton: not sure i haven't looked at that yet | 19:25 |
| calc | tjaalton: probably if it is listed as a 2.4 feature upstream | 19:25 |
| milli | calc: thank you!! (font bugs with OO) | 19:26 |
| tjaalton | it's probably a config option or something, the current version in Hardy doesn't support it | 19:26 |
| * milli hates ugly fonts | 19:26 | |
| calc | so far the font bugs look to be fixed EXCEPT for the subpixel stuff, but that is a lot better than it was | 19:26 |
| tjaalton | I mean build config option.. | 19:26 |
| calc | tjaalton: hmm ok | 19:26 |
| calc | i'll need to dig to see if i can find a patch to fix the subpixel part also | 19:27 |
| calc | erm | 19:32 |
| calc | it looks like it is working now, wtf | 19:32 |
| calc | yea its definitely working, i thought it wasn't earlier, so now i am confuse | 19:33 |
| calc | confused | 19:33 |
| calc | ok yea its consistently working now, so i am not sure what happened earlier | 19:34 |
| calc | one minor issue is you have to restart OOo to get the font setting to change, you can't change it while running | 19:34 |
| tjaalton | calc: --enable-ogltrans | 19:51 |
| calc | tjaalton: ah | 19:51 |
| tjaalton | calc: don't know what it depends on | 19:51 |
| calc | let me see if it isn't getting enabled for some reason | 19:51 |
| tjaalton | calc: it was added after rc2 :) | 19:52 |
| calc | it appears to be attempted to be used via | 19:53 |
| calc | --enable-opengl | 19:53 |
| calc | so that might be a bug then | 19:53 |
| calc | ok | 19:53 |
| calc | well its still not there in the debian version as of 2.4 final | 19:54 |
| calc | i'll look into it and see if the arg needs to be changed or added in addition to the other one | 19:54 |
| tjaalton | cool, thanks | 19:56 |
| Riddell | calc: kde 3 uses /usr/share/mime | 20:02 |
| Riddell | calc: /usr/share/mimelnk/ rather | 20:03 |
| calc | Riddell: does it just do matches based off of file extension? or is there a way to determine what mimetype it would consider a particular given file to be? | 20:18 |
| calc | Riddell: i'm wanting to make sure that i list all the needed mimetypes for KDE in OOo to open the files correctly | 20:19 |
| calc | Riddell: i already have it for all the shared-mime-info using gvfs-info to verify | 20:20 |
| calc | Riddell: so i think that will probably already work correctly for KDE4 (haven't tested) | 20:20 |
| Riddell | calc: kde 3 also does some magic detection, using kdelibs-3.5.9/kio/magic | 20:20 |
| calc | Riddell: is there any kde util that i can use to have it spit out the mimetype? | 20:21 |
| emgent | calc :) | 20:22 |
| Riddell | calc: don't think so, probably not hard to write on in python | 20:25 |
| Riddell | calc: http://kubuntu.org/~jriddell/tmp/mimetype2.py | 20:38 |
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| calc | Riddell: thanks! | 21:19 |
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| calc | Riddell: still here? | 21:58 |
| calc | Riddell: i tried running that script and its bombing out | 21:58 |
| calc | Riddell: tells me list index out of range | 21:58 |
| calc | Riddell: i can paste it to pastebin if you are around, not sure why it is saying that | 22:00 |
| calc | http://pastebin.ubuntu.com/6234/ | 22:01 |
| calc | i ran it as ./mimetype2.py filename | 22:01 |
| calc | ah it worked when i ran it as python mimetype2.py filename | 22:02 |
| calc | i'm not quite sure why but it worked | 22:02 |
| calc | i am confused, this script is telling me kde thinks a excel file is type application/msword | 22:15 |
| calc | but in dolphin it says its an excel file | 22:15 |
| calc | is dolphin using shared-mime-info or kde's mime stuff | 22:16 |
| calc | if this is working right then kde's mime support is crummy | 22:18 |
| calc | it claims xml file is text/plain | 22:18 |
| lifeless | is there a bug open on the AEST/AEDT tzdata error ? | 22:19 |
| * calc thinks he'll let a kde person determine if the files are opening correctly, since it seems kde mime support is very weird | 22:19 | |
| calc | borderline broken it would seem | 22:20 |
| Riddell | calc: http://kubuntu.org/~jriddell/tmp/mimetype2.py updated | 22:25 |
| calc | Riddell: ok testing that | 22:27 |
| calc | Riddell: works much better! :) | 22:29 |
| calc | now it thinks excel files are... excel files ;-) | 22:29 |
| calc | yipee it looks like it is working much better all around :) | 22:30 |
| * calc can now make sure all these mimetypes are in the files as well | 22:30 | |
| Fujitsu | lifeless: Which error? The updates have been in -updates since late October. | 22:31 |
| Fujitsu | But I'm not sure what you're expected to do if you only use -security. | 22:31 |
| lifeless | Fujitsu: I'm running hardy and its wrong | 22:32 |
| lifeless | Fujitsu: by which I mean, the NSW senate changed the daylight saving rules | 22:32 |
| Fujitsu | lifeless: Ermm. | 22:32 |
| Fujitsu | I'm in Vic, I know of the change. | 22:32 |
| Fujitsu | dpkg -l tzdata | 22:32 |
| calc | well its still a bit buggy but i wouldn't be surprised if it was actually real bugs at this point since most of the types are showing up right | 22:32 |
| lifeless | Fujitsu: 2008b-1ubuntu1 :P | 22:33 |
| Fujitsu | Ah, I'm only on 2008a... | 22:33 |
| Fujitsu | cat /etc/timezone | 22:33 |
| Fujitsu | I bet it's User defined. | 22:33 |
| lifeless | no such file | 22:33 |
| Fujitsu | Um. | 22:34 |
| Fujitsu | Anyway, I have to head off to uni now... but tzdata in all releases has been updated with the right dates. | 22:34 |
| lifeless | Another ubuntu user I know of has the same symptoms of an early change back | 22:34 |
| lifeless | bye | 22:35 |
| RAOF | lifeless: My (Hardy) clock is correctly showing DST. | 22:35 |
| lifeless | RAOF: thanks | 22:36 |
| jdong | my gutsy clock handles DST correctly too, although I use -proposed, -updates. | 22:36 |
| slangasek | lifeless: you're using the gnome clock applet? | 22:37 |
| lifeless | slangasek: well two things got it wrong: my server, and my gnome clock applet | 22:37 |
| lifeless | the server I can tell via irssi :> | 22:37 |
| slangasek | lifeless: click, Locations, Edit, verify that the timezone automatically populated for your city isn't wrong | 22:37 |
| lifeless | server is 7.04; probably just haven't updated in an age | 22:38 |
| jdong | I think this will be a great excuse for not turning in my paper on time tonight! | 22:38 |
| lifeless | slangasek: tiemzone "australia/sydney" with caps; looks right to me | 22:38 |
| lifeless | slangasek: and 'date' in a console has the same time | 22:39 |
| slangasek | hmm, ok | 22:39 |
| slangasek | so what time is it supposed to be there right now? | 22:39 |
| lifeless | did feisty get the tz updates? | 22:39 |
| lifeless | its supposed to be 0838 | 22:39 |
| slangasek | lifeless: that's what I see on the console with current hardy when I type TZ=Australia/Sydney date | 22:40 |
| soren | Wow. A 1 minute offset? | 22:40 |
| soren | :p | 22:40 |
| lifeless | soren: race condition on the minute boundary :-} | 22:40 |
| slangasek | lifeless: so I don't think the problem lies with the tzdata package | 22:40 |
| lifeless | slangasek: well, thats quite bizaare then. | 22:41 |
| ion_ | Since it was :39:58, the boundary was quite wide. :-) | 22:41 |
| lifeless | whats current utc ? | 22:41 |
| slangasek | lifeless: hwclock in UTC? does it display the right time? :) | 22:41 |
| slangasek | 21:40 | 22:41 |
| ion_ | Sun Mar 30 21:41:59 UTC 2008 | 22:41 |
| lifeless | TZ=utc hwclock --show --utc | 22:42 |
| lifeless | Sun 30 Mar 2008 21:43:07 UTC -0.117192 seconds | 22:42 |
| lifeless | so, other than fucking around with kerberos, the hwclock seems ok. | 22:42 |
| * slangasek grumbles and adjusts his clock by hand, since repeatedly setting it via the clock panel causes it to drift backwards :P | 22:42 | |
| slangasek | yet another bug I should file on that damn thing... | 22:42 |
| lifeless | TZ=Australia/Sydney date | 22:43 |
| lifeless | Mon Mar 31 08:43:39 EST 2008 | 22:43 |
| lifeless | so my current time zone is apparently not Australia/Sydney | 22:43 |
| slangasek | score | 22:44 |
| slangasek | blame bug #185190 | 22:44 |
| ubotu | Launchpad bug 185190 in gnome-panel "Clock applet chooses wrong timezone for many cities (eg Pittsburgh, Beijing)" [Low,Triaged] https://launchpad.net/bugs/185190 | 22:44 |
| slangasek | even if it's not the bug at issue ;) | 22:44 |
| lifeless | ~$ echo $TZ | 22:45 |
| lifeless | 22:45 | |
| slangasek | ls -l /etc/localtime? | 22:45 |
| slangasek | (well, "readlink /etc/localtime") | 22:45 |
| lifeless | not a symlink ! | 22:45 |
| lifeless | and I'll bet that my friends bug is the same | 22:45 |
| slangasek | and you said you don't have an /etc/timezone, so you get to try to guess which file under /usr/share/zoneinfo it corresponds to, enjoy | 22:45 |
| slangasek | welcome the world of precision timekeeping | 22:46 |
| slangasek | s/the/to &/ | 22:46 |
| lifeless | running tzselect doesn't make it a symlink eithe | 22:46 |
| lifeless | well, I bet I know what file it is | 22:46 |
| lifeless | its the *old* Australia/Sydney file. | 22:46 |
| slangasek | oh, heh | 22:46 |
| lifeless | in fact, wtf is tzselect meant to do these days | 22:47 |
| slangasek | well, the reason it's not a symlink is that it screws things up if /usr is on a separate partition at boot | 22:47 |
| lifeless | cause it sure as hell ain't writing to /etc/localtime | 22:47 |
| slangasek | but /etc/timezone is supposed to be used to track this | 22:47 |
| lifeless | nor to /etc/localtime | 22:47 |
| lifeless | sorry, not to /etc/timezone | 22:48 |
| slangasek | and obviously we need to be updating /etc/localtime when the package updates | 22:48 |
| slangasek | lifeless: dpkg-reconfigure tzdata? :/ | 22:48 |
| lifeless | yes just found via the tzselect man page | 22:48 |
| lifeless | :) | 22:48 |
| lifeless | and it too writes a static file | 22:49 |
| lifeless | yup | 22:49 |
| lifeless | you want to file the bug? | 22:49 |
| slangasek | no, I want you to file the bug and me to fix the bug ;) | 22:52 |
| lifeless | blah | 22:52 |
| lifeless | lp account name ? | 22:53 |
| slangasek | vorlon | 22:53 |
| lifeless | mailed | 22:54 |
| slangasek | we're going to have to get a gnome-panel task for this well, since the gnome panel is not interacting appropriately with the tzdata-controlled files | 22:54 |
| slangasek | thanks | 22:54 |
| lifeless | breakfast, then to see about unfucking the wiki & b.l.n | 22:55 |
| slangasek | lifeless: looking at the postinst, the failure here is because /etc/timezone didn't exist; I'm guessing you don't have any overt knowledge of removing this file yourself... :) | 22:57 |
| slangasek | (in which case I need to track down why it wasn't created on upgrade) | 22:57 |
| lifeless | I'm glad I poked around a bit first :) | 22:58 |
| lifeless | and no | 22:58 |
| Seveas | slangasek, which upgrade should have created it? I'm missing the file as well but my hardy is slightly outdated (a week or so). Might help tracking it down | 23:06 |
| slangasek | Seveas: an upgrade long ago, I think. There's mention of a preinst having been added in Aug 2007, but that preinst doesn't exist now; I'm going to chase this with the Debian glibc maintainers | 23:08 |
| slangasek | lifeless: what was this machine originally installed as? | 23:17 |
| lifeless | -EDUNNO | 23:18 |
| lifeless | feisty or gutsy 64 bit; then I copied various things from my 32-bit laptop (like exim config files) | 23:19 |
| lifeless | probably the fister | 23:19 |
| calc | great i found all the mimetypes i needed for kde :) | 23:21 |
| slangasek | lifeless: do you happen to remember if it was liveCD or alternate? It's conceivable that this was a ubiquity bug | 23:22 |
| Seveas | slangasek, mine (2 of them) were desktop installs | 23:26 |
| slangasek | Seveas: installed from which release? | 23:27 |
| * slangasek needs to know which CD to start downloading :) | 23:28 | |
| Seveas | that's what I'm trying to find out, edgy or later for sure | 23:28 |
| Seveas | one of them ubiquity 1.2.5 | 23:28 |
| slangasek | that's edgy | 23:29 |
| Seveas | another 1.4.11 | 23:29 |
| slangasek | feisty | 23:29 |
| slangasek | fun fun | 23:29 |
| emgent | uhm cacti FTBFS, and patch is ready. If someone can please see bug #194687 | 23:30 |
| ubotu | Launchpad bug 194687 in cacti "cacti web frontend fails with 'Invalid PHP_SELF Path' after upgrade" [Medium,In progress] https://launchpad.net/bugs/194687 | 23:30 |
| emgent | ScottK: ping | 23:40 |
| ScottK | emgent: Pong | 23:41 |
| emgent | about bug #194190 | 23:42 |
| ubotu | Launchpad bug 194190 in cacti "Please sync cacti 0.8.7b-1 (universe) from Debian unstable (main)" [Wishlist,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/194190 | 23:42 |
| emgent | i saw now that debian version bump fix all. | 23:43 |
| emgent | i go to remove ubuntu patch and i will attach debdiff. | 23:43 |
| lifeless | slangasek: no idea | 23:43 |
| slangasek | okie-day | 23:43 |
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