| Fujitsu | sistpoty: Ubuntu sbuild resolves very similarly, if not identically, to Soyuz sbuild. | 00:00 |
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| * sebner will continue tomorrow with MD. Good night folks :D | 00:03 | |
| albert23 | Scottk2: please ignore the debdiff for enthought-traits. I will complete that tomorrow. | 00:06 |
| sistpoty | Fujitsu: ah, cool... switching to sbuild is still on my todo list though :/ | 00:09 |
| sistpoty | Fujitsu: btw.: does "done" mean, that the publisher has already run? (I forgot the url to the actual page again) | 00:11 |
| ScottK2 | albert23: OK. Please delete it from the bug. | 00:14 |
| Fujitsu | sistpoty: It means that the publisher has started and picked up the package. It won't be available from a.u.c until about 43 past that hour. | 00:14 |
| sistpoty | Fujitsu: and for the buildds? | 00:14 |
| Fujitsu | sistpoty: Probably a few minutes earlier, but I'm not entirely sure. | 00:15 |
| sistpoty | Fujitsu: ah, k. thanks! | 00:15 |
| sistpoty | Fujitsu: when would it show up in binary new? about the same time? (imho hscolour/lpia would need to go through binary new, but I might be wrong) | 00:15 |
| Fujitsu | sistpoty: They'll hit binary NEW seconds after they build. | 00:16 |
| sistpoty | Fujitsu: thanks. seems like I'm wrong then on hscolour needing to go through binary new :) | 00:16 |
| Fujitsu | And you'll see `Successfully built (NEW)' rather than `Successfully built (ACCEPTED)' | 00:17 |
| sistpoty | cool :) | 00:17 |
| sistpoty | thanks! | 00:17 |
| sistpoty | Fujitsu: oh, if https://launchpad.net/ubuntu/hardy/lpia/hscolour/ writes "published", it's already available for the buildds, I assume? | 00:20 |
| Fujitsu | sistpoty: Not for about half an hour, probably. | 00:21 |
| sistpoty | ok, /me is now confused | 00:21 |
| sistpoty | but thanks Fujitsu for the insights | 00:21 |
| Fujitsu | sistpoty: That's just the date that publisher picked it up. It then has to actually be written out by apt-ftparchive, and mirrored. | 00:23 |
| sistpoty | ah, k | 00:23 |
| _MMA_ | Hmm... Sorry for the probably basic question here but how do I find a changelog for an app? Something has changes either with Audacious or todays updates that have really screwed up it's sound. | 00:25 |
| pochu | night all! | 00:26 |
| sistpoty | gn8 pochu | 00:26 |
| pochu | _MMA_: aptitude changelog <package> | 00:26 |
| _MMA_ | Thanx | 00:26 |
| sistpoty | _MMA_: trouble with audacious (on hardy)? meh... that's not good, as we shoved through a FFe | 00:27 |
| _MMA_ | sistpoty: Its hard to explain. It all the sudden sounds like the preamp is up too high. Like the gstreamer EQ issue. Except it doesnt clip. | 00:28 |
| sistpoty | _MMA_: can you report a bug on lp against audacious and subsribe sebner and myself (lpid: sistpoty)? | 00:30 |
| bddebian | Heya gang | 00:31 |
| _MMA_ | sistpoty: Well wait. Lemmie see what you think. The volume in Audacious controls the PCM volume. Correct? (does here anyway) :P | 00:31 |
| _MMA_ | So, if I enable the EQ I have to now push the preamp to the floor. Otherwise I get sound that has a "overdriven" sound to it. | 00:32 |
| _MMA_ | Static but doesnt clip. | 00:32 |
| sistpoty | _MMA_: not too sure actually, I've only tried audacious recently but not in depth with the EQ | 00:32 |
| sistpoty | _MMA_: what output plugin are you using (we dropped a pulseaudio-by-default patch, wich wasn't working properly) | 00:33 |
| _MMA_ | Lemmie look. | 00:34 |
| _MMA_ | ALSA | 00:34 |
| sistpoty | hm... | 00:34 |
| sistpoty | can you try pulseaudio and see if things improve? | 00:35 |
| _MMA_ | SUre | 00:35 |
| sistpoty | thanks | 00:35 |
| sistpoty | (brb, out for a smoke) | 00:35 |
| _MMA_ | bah.. Froze up on me. | 00:35 |
| _MMA_ | sistpoty: Well same behavior with PA but at least now I can use PA. Before it wasn't working. :P | 00:39 |
| _MMA_ | sistpoty: Just turn the EQ. Set some curve to it. I import my settings from Winamp. (rock preset) Then enable. I have to move the preamp slider to the bottom. | 00:41 |
| sistpoty | _MMA_: hm... I guess I'm not really the right person to ask about audio stuff. maybe persia would have some clue? (others than that I guess that filing a bug on LP against audacious might still make sense) | 00:44 |
| _MMA_ | sistpoty: Ok. Ill try to dig a bit before I run to LP. | 00:44 |
| sistpoty | _MMA_: thanks (oh, /usr/share/doc/audacious should contain an upstream changelog, might be worth looking at) | 00:45 |
| _MMA_ | Thanx. pochu also showed me. | 00:45 |
| persia | _MMA_: Do you have Master or Front volume controls as well? It may be that your computer can overdrive your speakers, and something is being set high. | 02:05 |
| sistpoty | very cool, ghc6 on lpia is already in needs-building state :) | 02:06 |
| * sistpoty crosses fingers | 02:06 | |
| persia | nenolod: Are you about? Do you know how SSE2 support might cause clipping? | 02:07 |
| _MMA_ | persia: Ill look now. Though I can't dig too much tonight or the wife is gonna kill me. :P | 02:15 |
| _MMA_ | persia: Hmm... I also no longer get the little sound at GDM. Uses aplay/gdmplay or something. | 02:16 |
| nenolod | persia, SSE2 support uses a different dithering engine when converting audio to your set format | 02:19 |
| persia | nenolod: So the resulting gain may well be different. Thanks. | 02:19 |
| nenolod | persia, it's a bug at any rate | 02:19 |
| nenolod | persia, this is aud 1.5 right? | 02:20 |
| persia | _MMA_: sounds like you've some complexity with your current configuration, which exacerbates the audacious change. As nenolod suggests, best to file a bug. | 02:20 |
| _MMA_ | persia: No matter the the Master or PCM volume, if the EQ is enabled, and the preamp isnt floored I gets tons of static. | 02:20 |
| persia | nenolod: 1.5.0-2, I believe | 02:21 |
| nenolod | _MMA_, probably a bug in the new EQ code | 02:21 |
| persia | _MMA_: And only for audacious, right? | 02:21 |
| nenolod | looks like the preamp gain is too way much | 02:21 |
| nenolod | way too much* | 02:22 |
| _MMA_ | persia: Well there a simular isue with the gstreamer EQ but this is certinally new in audacious. | 02:22 |
| nenolod | please file a bug about this at http://bugzilla.atheme.org | 02:22 |
| _MMA_ | nenolod: Noted. | 02:22 |
| nenolod | don't bother with launchpad triage, it's not needed in this case -- it can go directly to upstream | 02:22 |
| _MMA_ | k | 02:23 |
| nenolod | persia, we have pkg-audacious in debian now for audacious packaging btw | 02:23 |
| persia | nenolod: Thanks both for the pointer, and the help. I'll not poke you next time something comes up. | 02:23 |
| nenolod | but i've been busy, so haven't had time to transition the package yet | 02:23 |
| nenolod | persia, nah, feel free to poke me any time :) | 02:26 |
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| lifeless | there will be a short outage to the wiki and bazaar.launchpad.net, to hoepfully address the bazaar.launchpad.net performance problems | 03:04 |
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| sistpoty | damn, I want a lpia as well, ghc6 build took only an hour on the buildd *g* | 03:41 |
| sistpoty | :) | 03:41 |
| bddebian | heh | 03:41 |
| bddebian | persia: You still around? | 03:41 |
| Fujitsu | sistpoty: The lpia are just fast x86s. | 03:41 |
| Fujitsu | *lpia buildds | 03:41 |
| persia | bddebian: somewhat | 03:41 |
| sistpoty | Fujitsu: but must be damn fast boxes (my amd64 takes s.th. like two hours for the build, but it's a different arch of course) | 03:42 |
| bddebian | persia: *SHOULD* be a quick question if you have a minute? | 03:42 |
| persia | !ask | 03:42 |
| ubotu | Please don't ask to ask a question, ask the question (all on ONE line, so others can read and follow it easily). If anyone knows the answer they will most likely answer. :-) | 03:42 |
| Fujitsu | It's a very similar arch. | 03:42 |
| * persia pokes bddebian, to see if that helps elicit a question | 03:43 | |
| bddebian | persia: Sorry, too many channels, I have to get to the code quick | 03:43 |
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| * sistpoty goes to bed | 04:27 | |
| sistpoty | gn8 | 04:27 |
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| Fujitsu | Wow, dpkg doesn't like me: | 06:47 |
| Fujitsu | dpkg: too many errors, stopping | 06:47 |
| Fujitsu | dpkg: ../../src/packages.c:252: process_queue: Assertion `!queuelen' failed. | 06:47 |
| Fujitsu | Aborted | 06:48 |
| mbt | eep. never seen that before | 06:48 |
| jdong | Fujitsu: that's a frightening one | 06:49 |
| Fujitsu | Oh my. | 06:49 |
| Fujitsu | Python is exploding. | 06:50 |
| Fujitsu | (this is a dapper->hardy upgrade blowing up) | 06:50 |
| Fujitsu | Ah, all python-central's fault: | 06:50 |
| Fujitsu | Setting up python-central (0.6.1ubuntu1) ... | 06:50 |
| Fujitsu | pycentral: pycentral pkginstall: not overwriting local files | 06:50 |
| Fujitsu | pycentral pkginstall: not overwriting local files | 06:50 |
| Fujitsu | What on earth is it trying to do? | 06:50 |
| Fujitsu | I don't particularly like how fragile python-central is. | 07:35 |
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| Fujitsu | I shouldn't be able to hugely kill an upgrade just because python-opengl doesn't conflict with python2.4-opengl. | 07:36 |
| Fujitsu | Because of that, python-central tries to overwrite other files, so won't configure. launchpad-integration depends on python-central, and lots of things depend on the launchpad-integration libraries. Thus most of GNOME also fails to configure. | 07:36 |
| Fujitsu | dpkg then does ugly things like the above, causing update-manager to die a horribly painful death. | 07:37 |
| Fujitsu | All because somebody left a line out of one universe debian/control | 07:37 |
| cody-somerville | :( | 07:57 |
| eddyMul | Is there an easy way to reverse an individual cdbs simple-patchsys patch? Or do I have to issue the patch command myself? | 08:07 |
| persia | eddyMul: You'll want to call patch directly. | 08:08 |
| eddyMul | persia: I see. thanx. | 08:09 |
| warp10 | Good morning | 08:15 |
| Iulian | G'morning. | 08:46 |
| eddyMul | g'morning | 08:48 |
| AnAnt | Hello, I need help with creating a cursor (pointer) theme | 09:10 |
| AnAnt | can it inherit from another cursor theme ? | 09:10 |
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| Hobbsee | evening | 11:28 |
| pwnguin | so at this point, if there's a patch and an upstream new release that fixes a bug, the patch is the preferred approach? | 12:07 |
| persia | pwnguin: Unless the upstream release only contains that patch, or there is some other really good reason it should be included. | 12:12 |
| pwnguin | apparently MOTU's traditional xournal shepard it out of town =/ | 12:13 |
| pwnguin | persia: the package in question has no patch system, and the patch in question is already applied upstream. i assume in this case it would be unreasonable to add a patch system to the package | 12:15 |
| persia | pwnguin: In general, I'm opposed to adding a patch system to a package. If there is already one in place, it should be used. If there is none, I presume that matches the maintainer's preference. | 12:16 |
| persia | You may want to add a note that the applied patch has been applied upstream and can be dropped when the new upstream is available. | 12:16 |
| pwnguin | where? | 12:16 |
| persia | Depending on length, I typically recommend either the changelog or debian/README.Debian-source. Some people have talked about using a debian/README.Ubuntu-source, but I have yet to see a package using this. | 12:17 |
| pwnguin | what happens on autosync from unstable with -ubuntu versions? | 12:18 |
| persia | It doesn't autosync. The package gets listed on merges.ubuntu.com, and someone reads your note, and drops your patch. | 12:18 |
| pwnguin | this changelog is confusing =/ | 12:20 |
| pwnguin | unstable -> feisty -> unstable -> feisty -> gutsy | 12:20 |
| pwnguin | man. xournal hasnt been touched since gutsy at all =/ | 12:21 |
| persia | That usually means someone applied a patch in feisty, someone merged a later version in feisty to get a fix, and someone merged to gutsy. | 12:21 |
| POX_ | ScottK, albert23: .pth files can be safely removed if you use standard location for .py files | 12:25 |
| albert23 | POX_: Thanks. Is it still necessary to remove those .pth files? | 12:37 |
| POX_ | necessary? probably not, but they're useless | 12:37 |
| POX_ | well, unless your package will not work without this file :) | 12:37 |
| POX_ | anyway, I'm 90% sure you don't need it (without looking at the package) | 12:38 |
| albert23 | POX_: OK, http://python-modules.alioth.debian.org/python-central_howto.txt says they must be removed, but that is probably just cleaner, not really necessary. | 12:39 |
| POX_ | I wrote that howto :) | 12:40 |
| albert23 | Ah, nice | 12:40 |
| emgent | hello | 13:38 |
| RainCT | hi emgent | 13:38 |
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| bddebian | Heya gang | 14:35 |
| Iulian | Hi bddebian | 14:35 |
| bddebian | Hello Iulian | 14:35 |
| jdong | ugh I just had the worst dream last night | 15:00 |
| jdong | my EE test was administered over Launchpad | 15:00 |
| jdong | and every time I typed in an answer it dropped down like a page of suggested similar answers | 15:01 |
| bddebian | haha | 15:03 |
| jdong | that's probably a sign I should leave more time between eating dinner and falling asleep.... | 15:03 |
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| geser | Hi bddebian | 15:39 |
| protonchris | Hello | 15:39 |
| bddebian | Heya geser, protonchris | 15:41 |
| protonchris | slangasek: any luck with the sparc buildd admins yesterday? | 15:57 |
| zul | jdong: its also a sign to get out of the house more :) | 16:09 |
| protonchris | ScottK: ping | 16:11 |
| Mirv | could someone consider sponsoring this: http://ppa.launchpad.net/timo-jyrinki/ubuntu/pool/main/c/compizconfig-settings-manager/compizconfig-settings-manager_0.7.2-0ubuntu2.dsc ? the only changes are two new patches under debian/patches affecting only Finnish translations. | 16:29 |
| RainCT | Mirv: do you have a debdiff? | 16:31 |
| Mirv | RainCT: there you go: http://users.tkk.fi/~tajyrink/ccsm/compizconfig-settings-manager_0.7.2-0ubuntu2.debdiff | 16:40 |
| Mirv | the second patch is big, since almost the whole fi translation is broken | 16:41 |
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| ScottK | protonchris: Pong | 16:51 |
| protonchris | I was taking a look at wxglade from unstable. One question, it depends on python-wxgtk2.6 are we prefering python-wxgtk2.8? | 16:52 |
| ScottK | protonchris: We aren't particularly caring, but it has to work if both are installed. You can look at spe as an example of a package designed to work with 2.6 in Debian and 2.8 in Ubuntu. | 16:54 |
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| protonchris | ScottK: thanks. looking. | 16:55 |
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| protonchris | ScottK: the current version of wxglade in ubuntu depends on 2.8 while the debian unstable depends on 2.6. Am I safe in assuming that we need 2.8 so we have consistancy? | 16:57 |
| ScottK | protonchris: Reasonably safe. I've never actually looked at the package. | 16:58 |
| protonchris | ScottK: ok. I will upload a diff.gz to the bug for a debian unstable merge. | 16:59 |
| protonchris | ScottK: uploaded to bug. | 17:02 |
| ScottK | protonchris: It'll probably be tomorrow before I can look at it. My youngest daughter's birthday is today and we're about to head out for the party. | 17:04 |
| protonchris | ScottK: No problem. Have fun today!!! | 17:05 |
| protonchris | ScottK: I'm not in a rush. I just wanted to make sure that the bug wasn't waiting on me :) | 17:06 |
| RainCT | Mirv: do you mind if I modify your changelog entry so that it lists the names of the patchs? | 17:09 |
| ScottK | RainCT: Would you mind looking after protonchris's wxglade debdiff for Bug #204895? | 17:11 |
| ubotu | Launchpad bug 204895 in wxglade "Packages failed archive rebuild test possibly due to python-central transition" [Undecided,In progress] https://launchpad.net/bugs/204895 | 17:11 |
| Mirv | RainCT: that's fine | 17:13 |
| pochu | ScottK: did you manually uploaded phatch, or do you have some cool archive admin friend? | 17:34 |
| pochu | (or you have super powers?) | 17:35 |
| sebner | asac: ping :) | 17:51 |
| sebner | aloha afflux | 17:52 |
| afflux | huhu sebner | 17:53 |
| afflux | sebner: using 5-a-day? consider joining the ubuntu-de-locoteam! :) | 17:53 |
| RainCT | Mirv: sorry that it's taking so long, my connection is slow :P | 17:53 |
| sebner | afflux: No. We'll see ;) | 17:53 |
| RainCT | Mirv: I've added some more translations to the .desktop, btw | 17:53 |
| asac | sebner: can you please use -mozillateam for mozilla /xulrunner issues? | 17:53 |
| sebner | asac: ah sure.sry | 17:53 |
| asac | there are others that might know something | 17:53 |
| asac | :) | 17:54 |
| afflux | sebner: hehe, juliux asked me to run some sort of german bugsession for recruiting for 5-a-day | 17:54 |
| sebner | afflux: well in fact. I have not really time for it for now (final exams are around) :) | 17:55 |
| afflux | oh | 17:55 |
| afflux | good luck then! | 17:55 |
| sebner | afflux: thanks | 17:56 |
| Mirv | RainCT: no problem, really great that you're working on it. more .desktop translations are naturally encouraged, too :) | 17:59 |
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| slytherin | Can anyone please reply to my mail about debconf preseed sent on mailing list? | 18:07 |
| jpatrick | greeneggsnospam: don't you like ham? | 18:25 |
| afflux | anyone who likes to sponsor bug 208974 or bug 186141? :) | 19:02 |
| ubotu | Launchpad bug 208974 in screenlets "candidate for version 0.0.12-0ubuntu3" [Medium,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/208974 | 19:02 |
| ubotu | Launchpad bug 186141 in nautilus-actions "missing nautilus-actions menu entries" [Medium,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/186141 | 19:02 |
| slytherin | afflux: I am not a developer but still I would like to ask. This is related to nautilus-actions. Can you make use of pkg-config to retrieve the extension directory instead of hard coding the value? | 19:23 |
| afflux | slytherin: I think so, let me check the -dev package | 19:24 |
| slytherin | afflux: you can take a look at nautilus-open-terminal to see what I am talking about | 19:24 |
| afflux | slytherin: right, that's far better, thanks for the hint! | 19:27 |
| slytherin | afflux: Welcome. :-) | 19:27 |
| slangasek | protonchris: gdl got rebuilt on sparc which should fix the FTBFS, but it looks like glom didn't really get dep-waited; will follow up | 19:34 |
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| protonchris | slangasek: thanks. | 19:49 |
| protonchris | slangasek: looks like it is building. Thanks. | 19:51 |
| bobbo | Is anyone around to check over the debdiff for bug #184084 (in checky) | 21:28 |
| ubotu | Launchpad bug 184084 in checky "Extension description mentions Iceweasel/Icedove/Iceape" [Undecided,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/184084 | 21:28 |
| norsetto | evening gents | 22:08 |
| RAOF | Morning norsetto. | 22:08 |
| sebner | aloha norsetto | 22:09 |
| norsetto | sebner: don't even think to put flowers around my neck .... | 22:10 |
| sebner | norsetto: hrhr | 22:11 |
| afflux | anyone who likes to sponsor bug 208974 or bug 186141? :) | 22:11 |
| ubotu | Launchpad bug 208974 in screenlets "candidate for version 0.0.12-0ubuntu3" [Medium,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/208974 | 22:12 |
| ubotu | Launchpad bug 186141 in nautilus-actions "missing nautilus-actions menu entries" [Medium,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/186141 | 22:12 |
| sebner | norsetto: any news about conky? | 22:13 |
| norsetto | sebner: no | 22:17 |
| * nxvl HUGS norsetto | 22:19 | |
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| sebner | norsetto: if you have time please take a look at bug #209012 | 22:23 |
| ubotu | Launchpad bug 209012 in monodevelop "[FFe] Merge monodevelop_1.0+dfsg-1 from Debian(Unstable)" [Undecided,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/209012 | 22:23 |
| sebner | gn8 folks | 22:25 |
| LimCore | hello | 23:12 |
| LimCore | sshfs seems to be extreamly unstable ( me and like 5 other crash reports in https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/sshfs-fuse/ ) so I was wondering, should I try to buuild own .deb from sources of more up to date version? or is anyone else doing that and needs testing before giving this fixed version to all users? | 23:13 |
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