[00:00] sistpoty: Ubuntu sbuild resolves very similarly, if not identically, to Soyuz sbuild. [00:03] * sebner will continue tomorrow with MD. Good night folks :D [00:06] Scottk2: please ignore the debdiff for enthought-traits. I will complete that tomorrow. [00:09] Fujitsu: ah, cool... switching to sbuild is still on my todo list though :/ [00:11] Fujitsu: btw.: does "done" mean, that the publisher has already run? (I forgot the url to the actual page again) [00:14] albert23: OK. Please delete it from the bug. [00:14] sistpoty: It means that the publisher has started and picked up the package. It won't be available from a.u.c until about 43 past that hour. [00:14] Fujitsu: and for the buildds? [00:15] sistpoty: Probably a few minutes earlier, but I'm not entirely sure. [00:15] Fujitsu: ah, k. thanks! [00:15] Fujitsu: when would it show up in binary new? about the same time? (imho hscolour/lpia would need to go through binary new, but I might be wrong) [00:16] sistpoty: They'll hit binary NEW seconds after they build. [00:16] Fujitsu: thanks. seems like I'm wrong then on hscolour needing to go through binary new :) [00:17] And you'll see `Successfully built (NEW)' rather than `Successfully built (ACCEPTED)' [00:17] cool :) [00:17] thanks! [00:20] Fujitsu: oh, if https://launchpad.net/ubuntu/hardy/lpia/hscolour/ writes "published", it's already available for the buildds, I assume? [00:21] sistpoty: Not for about half an hour, probably. [00:21] ok, /me is now confused [00:21] but thanks Fujitsu for the insights [00:23] sistpoty: That's just the date that publisher picked it up. It then has to actually be written out by apt-ftparchive, and mirrored. [00:23] ah, k [00:25] <_MMA_> Hmm... Sorry for the probably basic question here but how do I find a changelog for an app? Something has changes either with Audacious or todays updates that have really screwed up it's sound. [00:26] night all! [00:26] gn8 pochu [00:26] _MMA_: aptitude changelog [00:26] <_MMA_> Thanx [00:27] _MMA_: trouble with audacious (on hardy)? meh... that's not good, as we shoved through a FFe [00:28] <_MMA_> sistpoty: Its hard to explain. It all the sudden sounds like the preamp is up too high. Like the gstreamer EQ issue. Except it doesnt clip. [00:30] _MMA_: can you report a bug on lp against audacious and subsribe sebner and myself (lpid: sistpoty)? [00:31] Heya gang [00:31] <_MMA_> sistpoty: Well wait. Lemmie see what you think. The volume in Audacious controls the PCM volume. Correct? (does here anyway) :P [00:32] <_MMA_> So, if I enable the EQ I have to now push the preamp to the floor. Otherwise I get sound that has a "overdriven" sound to it. [00:32] <_MMA_> Static but doesnt clip. [00:32] _MMA_: not too sure actually, I've only tried audacious recently but not in depth with the EQ [00:33] _MMA_: what output plugin are you using (we dropped a pulseaudio-by-default patch, wich wasn't working properly) [00:34] <_MMA_> Lemmie look. [00:34] <_MMA_> ALSA [00:34] hm... [00:35] can you try pulseaudio and see if things improve? [00:35] <_MMA_> SUre [00:35] thanks [00:35] (brb, out for a smoke) [00:35] <_MMA_> bah.. Froze up on me. [00:39] <_MMA_> sistpoty: Well same behavior with PA but at least now I can use PA. Before it wasn't working. :P [00:41] <_MMA_> sistpoty: Just turn the EQ. Set some curve to it. I import my settings from Winamp. (rock preset) Then enable. I have to move the preamp slider to the bottom. [00:44] _MMA_: hm... I guess I'm not really the right person to ask about audio stuff. maybe persia would have some clue? (others than that I guess that filing a bug on LP against audacious might still make sense) [00:44] <_MMA_> sistpoty: Ok. Ill try to dig a bit before I run to LP. [00:45] _MMA_: thanks (oh, /usr/share/doc/audacious should contain an upstream changelog, might be worth looking at) [00:45] <_MMA_> Thanx. pochu also showed me. [02:05] _MMA_: Do you have Master or Front volume controls as well? It may be that your computer can overdrive your speakers, and something is being set high. [02:06] very cool, ghc6 on lpia is already in needs-building state :) [02:06] * sistpoty crosses fingers [02:07] nenolod: Are you about? Do you know how SSE2 support might cause clipping? [02:15] <_MMA_> persia: Ill look now. Though I can't dig too much tonight or the wife is gonna kill me. :P [02:16] <_MMA_> persia: Hmm... I also no longer get the little sound at GDM. Uses aplay/gdmplay or something. [02:19] persia, SSE2 support uses a different dithering engine when converting audio to your set format [02:19] nenolod: So the resulting gain may well be different. Thanks. [02:19] persia, it's a bug at any rate [02:20] persia, this is aud 1.5 right? [02:20] _MMA_: sounds like you've some complexity with your current configuration, which exacerbates the audacious change. As nenolod suggests, best to file a bug. [02:20] <_MMA_> persia: No matter the the Master or PCM volume, if the EQ is enabled, and the preamp isnt floored I gets tons of static. [02:21] nenolod: 1.5.0-2, I believe [02:21] _MMA_, probably a bug in the new EQ code [02:21] _MMA_: And only for audacious, right? [02:21] looks like the preamp gain is too way much [02:22] way too much* [02:22] <_MMA_> persia: Well there a simular isue with the gstreamer EQ but this is certinally new in audacious. [02:22] please file a bug about this at http://bugzilla.atheme.org [02:22] <_MMA_> nenolod: Noted. [02:22] don't bother with launchpad triage, it's not needed in this case -- it can go directly to upstream [02:23] <_MMA_> k [02:23] persia, we have pkg-audacious in debian now for audacious packaging btw [02:23] nenolod: Thanks both for the pointer, and the help. I'll not poke you next time something comes up. [02:23] but i've been busy, so haven't had time to transition the package yet [02:26] persia, nah, feel free to poke me any time :) === danielm_ is now known as danielm [03:04] there will be a short outage to the wiki and bazaar.launchpad.net, to hoepfully address the bazaar.launchpad.net performance problems === Allan_ is now known as Hit3k [03:41] damn, I want a lpia as well, ghc6 build took only an hour on the buildd *g* [03:41] :) [03:41] heh [03:41] persia: You still around? [03:41] sistpoty: The lpia are just fast x86s. [03:41] *lpia buildds [03:41] bddebian: somewhat [03:42] Fujitsu: but must be damn fast boxes (my amd64 takes s.th. like two hours for the build, but it's a different arch of course) [03:42] persia: *SHOULD* be a quick question if you have a minute? [03:42] !ask [03:42] Please don't ask to ask a question, ask the question (all on ONE line, so others can read and follow it easily). If anyone knows the answer they will most likely answer. :-) [03:42] It's a very similar arch. [03:43] * persia pokes bddebian, to see if that helps elicit a question [03:43] persia: Sorry, too many channels, I have to get to the code quick === kitterma is now known as ScottK2 [04:27] * sistpoty goes to bed [04:27] gn8 === danielm_ is now known as danielm === Igorot_ is now known as Igorot === macd_ is now known as macd [06:47] Wow, dpkg doesn't like me: [06:47] dpkg: too many errors, stopping [06:47] dpkg: ../../src/packages.c:252: process_queue: Assertion `!queuelen' failed. [06:48] Aborted [06:48] eep. never seen that before [06:49] Fujitsu: that's a frightening one [06:49] Oh my. [06:50] Python is exploding. [06:50] (this is a dapper->hardy upgrade blowing up) [06:50] Ah, all python-central's fault: [06:50] Setting up python-central (0.6.1ubuntu1) ... [06:50] pycentral: pycentral pkginstall: not overwriting local files [06:50] pycentral pkginstall: not overwriting local files [06:50] What on earth is it trying to do? [07:35] I don't particularly like how fragile python-central is. === Scientus_ is now known as Scientus [07:36] I shouldn't be able to hugely kill an upgrade just because python-opengl doesn't conflict with python2.4-opengl. [07:36] Because of that, python-central tries to overwrite other files, so won't configure. launchpad-integration depends on python-central, and lots of things depend on the launchpad-integration libraries. Thus most of GNOME also fails to configure. [07:37] dpkg then does ugly things like the above, causing update-manager to die a horribly painful death. [07:37] All because somebody left a line out of one universe debian/control [07:57] :( [08:07] Is there an easy way to reverse an individual cdbs simple-patchsys patch? Or do I have to issue the patch command myself? [08:08] eddyMul: You'll want to call patch directly. [08:09] persia: I see. thanx. [08:15] Good morning [08:46] G'morning. [08:48] g'morning [09:10] Hello, I need help with creating a cursor (pointer) theme [09:10] can it inherit from another cursor theme ? === Seveaz is now known as Seveas === asac_ is now known as asac === doko_ is now known as doko === jsgotangco is now known as greeneggsnospam === thekorn_ is now known as thekorn [11:28] evening [12:07] so at this point, if there's a patch and an upstream new release that fixes a bug, the patch is the preferred approach? [12:12] pwnguin: Unless the upstream release only contains that patch, or there is some other really good reason it should be included. [12:13] apparently MOTU's traditional xournal shepard it out of town =/ [12:15] persia: the package in question has no patch system, and the patch in question is already applied upstream. i assume in this case it would be unreasonable to add a patch system to the package [12:16] pwnguin: In general, I'm opposed to adding a patch system to a package. If there is already one in place, it should be used. If there is none, I presume that matches the maintainer's preference. [12:16] You may want to add a note that the applied patch has been applied upstream and can be dropped when the new upstream is available. [12:16] where? [12:17] Depending on length, I typically recommend either the changelog or debian/README.Debian-source. Some people have talked about using a debian/README.Ubuntu-source, but I have yet to see a package using this. [12:18] what happens on autosync from unstable with -ubuntu versions? [12:18] It doesn't autosync. The package gets listed on merges.ubuntu.com, and someone reads your note, and drops your patch. [12:20] this changelog is confusing =/ [12:20] unstable -> feisty -> unstable -> feisty -> gutsy [12:21] man. xournal hasnt been touched since gutsy at all =/ [12:21] That usually means someone applied a patch in feisty, someone merged a later version in feisty to get a fix, and someone merged to gutsy. [12:25] ScottK, albert23: .pth files can be safely removed if you use standard location for .py files [12:37] POX_: Thanks. Is it still necessary to remove those .pth files? [12:37] necessary? probably not, but they're useless [12:37] well, unless your package will not work without this file :) [12:38] anyway, I'm 90% sure you don't need it (without looking at the package) [12:39] POX_: OK, http://python-modules.alioth.debian.org/python-central_howto.txt says they must be removed, but that is probably just cleaner, not really necessary. [12:40] I wrote that howto :) [12:40] Ah, nice [13:38] hello [13:38] hi emgent === fta_ is now known as fta === evalles is now known as effie_jayx [14:35] Heya gang [14:35] Hi bddebian [14:35] Hello Iulian [15:00] ugh I just had the worst dream last night [15:00] my EE test was administered over Launchpad [15:01] and every time I typed in an answer it dropped down like a page of suggested similar answers [15:03] haha [15:03] that's probably a sign I should leave more time between eating dinner and falling asleep.... === FlareFlare is now known as Flare183 [15:39] Hi bddebian [15:39] Hello [15:41] Heya geser, protonchris [15:57] slangasek: any luck with the sparc buildd admins yesterday? [16:09] jdong: its also a sign to get out of the house more :) [16:11] ScottK: ping [16:29] could someone consider sponsoring this: http://ppa.launchpad.net/timo-jyrinki/ubuntu/pool/main/c/compizconfig-settings-manager/compizconfig-settings-manager_0.7.2-0ubuntu2.dsc ? the only changes are two new patches under debian/patches affecting only Finnish translations. [16:31] Mirv: do you have a debdiff? [16:40] RainCT: there you go: http://users.tkk.fi/~tajyrink/ccsm/compizconfig-settings-manager_0.7.2-0ubuntu2.debdiff [16:41] the second patch is big, since almost the whole fi translation is broken === Flare183 is now known as FlareBot === FlareBot is now known as Flare183 [16:51] protonchris: Pong [16:52] I was taking a look at wxglade from unstable. One question, it depends on python-wxgtk2.6 are we prefering python-wxgtk2.8? [16:54] protonchris: We aren't particularly caring, but it has to work if both are installed. You can look at spe as an example of a package designed to work with 2.6 in Debian and 2.8 in Ubuntu. === Flare183 is now known as FlareBot [16:55] ScottK: thanks. looking. === FlareBot is now known as FlareBotty === FlareBotty is now known as Flare183 [16:57] ScottK: the current version of wxglade in ubuntu depends on 2.8 while the debian unstable depends on 2.6. Am I safe in assuming that we need 2.8 so we have consistancy? [16:58] protonchris: Reasonably safe. I've never actually looked at the package. [16:59] ScottK: ok. I will upload a diff.gz to the bug for a debian unstable merge. [17:02] ScottK: uploaded to bug. [17:04] protonchris: It'll probably be tomorrow before I can look at it. My youngest daughter's birthday is today and we're about to head out for the party. [17:05] ScottK: No problem. Have fun today!!! [17:06] ScottK: I'm not in a rush. I just wanted to make sure that the bug wasn't waiting on me :) [17:09] Mirv: do you mind if I modify your changelog entry so that it lists the names of the patchs? [17:11] RainCT: Would you mind looking after protonchris's wxglade debdiff for Bug #204895? [17:11] Launchpad bug 204895 in wxglade "Packages failed archive rebuild test possibly due to python-central transition" [Undecided,In progress] https://launchpad.net/bugs/204895 [17:13] RainCT: that's fine [17:34] ScottK: did you manually uploaded phatch, or do you have some cool archive admin friend? [17:35] (or you have super powers?) [17:51] asac: ping :) [17:52] aloha afflux [17:53] huhu sebner [17:53] sebner: using 5-a-day? consider joining the ubuntu-de-locoteam! :) [17:53] Mirv: sorry that it's taking so long, my connection is slow :P [17:53] afflux: No. We'll see ;) [17:53] Mirv: I've added some more translations to the .desktop, btw [17:53] sebner: can you please use -mozillateam for mozilla /xulrunner issues? [17:53] asac: ah sure.sry [17:53] there are others that might know something [17:54] :) [17:54] sebner: hehe, juliux asked me to run some sort of german bugsession for recruiting for 5-a-day [17:55] afflux: well in fact. I have not really time for it for now (final exams are around) :) [17:55] oh [17:55] good luck then! [17:56] afflux: thanks [17:59] RainCT: no problem, really great that you're working on it. more .desktop translations are naturally encouraged, too :) === DarkSun89 is now known as DarkSun88 [18:07] Can anyone please reply to my mail about debconf preseed sent on mailing list? [18:25] greeneggsnospam: don't you like ham? [19:02] anyone who likes to sponsor bug 208974 or bug 186141? :) [19:02] Launchpad bug 208974 in screenlets "candidate for version 0.0.12-0ubuntu3" [Medium,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/208974 [19:02] Launchpad bug 186141 in nautilus-actions "missing nautilus-actions menu entries" [Medium,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/186141 [19:23] afflux: I am not a developer but still I would like to ask. This is related to nautilus-actions. Can you make use of pkg-config to retrieve the extension directory instead of hard coding the value? [19:24] slytherin: I think so, let me check the -dev package [19:24] afflux: you can take a look at nautilus-open-terminal to see what I am talking about [19:27] slytherin: right, that's far better, thanks for the hint! [19:27] afflux: Welcome. :-) [19:34] protonchris: gdl got rebuilt on sparc which should fix the FTBFS, but it looks like glom didn't really get dep-waited; will follow up === FlareFlare is now known as Flare183 [19:49] slangasek: thanks. [19:51] slangasek: looks like it is building. Thanks. [21:28] Is anyone around to check over the debdiff for bug #184084 (in checky) [21:28] Launchpad bug 184084 in checky "Extension description mentions Iceweasel/Icedove/Iceape" [Undecided,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/184084 [22:08] evening gents [22:08] Morning norsetto. [22:09] aloha norsetto [22:10] sebner: don't even think to put flowers around my neck .... [22:11] norsetto: hrhr [22:11] anyone who likes to sponsor bug 208974 or bug 186141? :) [22:12] Launchpad bug 208974 in screenlets "candidate for version 0.0.12-0ubuntu3" [Medium,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/208974 [22:12] Launchpad bug 186141 in nautilus-actions "missing nautilus-actions menu entries" [Medium,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/186141 [22:13] norsetto: any news about conky? [22:17] sebner: no [22:19] * nxvl HUGS norsetto === danielm_ is now known as danielm [22:23] norsetto: if you have time please take a look at bug #209012 [22:23] Launchpad bug 209012 in monodevelop "[FFe] Merge monodevelop_1.0+dfsg-1 from Debian(Unstable)" [Undecided,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/209012 [22:25] gn8 folks [23:12] hello [23:13] sshfs seems to be extreamly unstable ( me and like 5 other crash reports in https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/sshfs-fuse/ ) so I was wondering, should I try to buuild own .deb from sources of more up to date version? or is anyone else doing that and needs testing before giving this fixed version to all users?