[00:09] <yarddog> anyone notice after updating to 8.04, that the nvidia binary thinks this is a xen kernel and wont install?
[00:41] <yarddog> i guess the nvidia binary thinks the new server kernel supports xen
[00:43] <sommer> yarddog: I'm pretty sure that it does
[00:43] <yarddog> yeah, im wondering how to get the nvidia support then
[00:43] <sommer> are you installing the nvidia drivers on a server kernel?
[00:44] <yarddog> binary
[00:44] <yarddog> its from their site
[00:44] <sommer> you'll probably want to install the generic kernel then
[00:44] <yarddog> nv works in xorg
[00:44] <yarddog> may have to live with it
[00:45] <sommer> vesa should work too, heh
[00:45] <yarddog> hehe
[00:46] <sommer> are you installing on an actual server or a test machine?  just wondering why you'd want the nvidia drivers on a server
[00:46] <yarddog> its an actual server, here at home for a home based business, its a micron NF3400
[00:46] <yarddog> i installed xfce for the sake of have the gui option
[00:47] <sommer> ah, the desktop kernel should work with the drivers and work fine then... if you need nvidia that is
[00:47] <yarddog> no need really
[00:47] <yarddog> i can just put nv in the xorg, it works
[00:48] <sommer> cool
[00:48] <yarddog> its an old card anyway
[00:48] <yarddog> fx 5200
[00:48] <yarddog> my windows box has the 7600 gs
[00:48] <yarddog> that one im a bit more picky about :)
[00:49] <sommer> heh, my 6800 just crapped out on my desktop... sigh
[00:49] <yarddog> i know someone that is running one of those
[00:49] <yarddog> he likes it on either linux or xp, but not on vista
[00:50] <sommer> heh, I haven't met anyone who likes vista
[00:50] <yarddog> you just did, but only because im lucky enough to have it work
[00:50] <yarddog> 'lucky'
[00:51] <yarddog> thats my workbox
[00:51] <sommer> oh come on there's no need to lie :-)
[00:51] <yarddog> lol
[00:52] <yarddog> vista on my sony vaio, xp on my dell laptop, ubuntu-server on this micron, and the wife has vista on her dell
[00:53] <yarddog> eventually i would like to get another box for a linux play machine :)
[00:53] <yarddog> i got this micron with the intention of running the ubuntu server though, ive been running xampp
[00:53] <yarddog> but on windows
[00:54] <yarddog> so i want to transfer that to this
[00:54] <yarddog> more stability in terms of uptime im sure
[00:55] <Nafallo> who is running solaris?
[00:55] <Nafallo> and what is the three-finger-salute to reboot or shut down?
[00:55] <yarddog> lol
[00:55] <yarddog> power button
[00:55] <yarddog> or unplug
[00:56] <Nafallo> oki. so nothing to just have it reboot without login is there?
[00:56] <yarddog> ive not seen a solaris box in 3 years
[00:57] <yarddog> so i plead the 5th on that
[00:58] <Nafallo> oki
[02:35] <rhineheart_m> hello.. can anybody here assist me in the removal of webmin.. I know of something to remove it.. just please advise which to do: aptitude purge webmin or this one sudo apt-get remove --purge webmin ? I want all its configuration be removed too
[02:54] <ScottK> rhineheart_m: Best ask in the place you got the package from.  They'll know best.  I suspect either of those would work, but I don't know the package.
[04:52] <owh> Salutations. I've got a few scripts that together provide some functionality - think of it as an application, although it isn't really. In the past I've stored the scripts in a directory inside /root/myFooBar and symlinked to the scripts from /etc/cron.*, /var/www and /usr/local/bin, but I thought I'd ask if there were Ubuntu standard ways of doing this?
[04:54]  * owh really doesn't want to create a package to make this work, but I want it to be obvious for any future administrator.
[04:56] <owh> I wonder if the most appropriate location for the myFooBar directory is inside /opt?
[05:47] <ScottK> owh: There or usr/local.
[08:27] <owh> ScottK: I looked at usr/local, but only found generic folders like games, X11, so I opted for /opt - pun intended :)
[08:36] <owh> I'm trying to migrate an ancient smbpasswd file to the samba v3 tdb format. The command I think I'm supposed to use is: pdbedit -i smbpasswd:old.server/etc/samba/smbpasswd  -e tdbsam - the error I get is: "Unable to set account database iterator for smbpasswd!", which doesn't appear in any manual and the google hits don't help either. Suggestions?
[09:12] <owh> In case anyone is goog-ling and comes across this question, the answer was to copy the smbpasswd file into /etc/samba, then run pdbedit -i smbpasswd -e tdbsam and it appeared to work. This URL helped: http://www.informit.com/articles/article.aspx?p=422302&seqNum=3
[11:44] <jeandaniel> Hello, can the standard hardy heron server can boot on lvm? or should we devote a small ext3 partition for /boot?
[11:44] <blue-frog> lvm needs /boot
[11:45] <jeandaniel> a year ago, the latest grub had seen some progress in booting over lvm and over efi, but I could not reproduce that success
[13:35] <baffle> jeandaniel: Is that grub1 or grub2?
[13:36] <baffle> Quick google reveals this: http://grub.enbug.org/LVMandRAID
[14:08] <jeandaniel> it is grub2
[14:08] <jeandaniel> but the project insist to call grub2 'grub' and grub1 'grub legacy'
[14:20] <jeandaniel> I have installed hardy heron server on my mac mini in the cupboard, installed hardy jeos into a kvm virtual machine. Now from anywhere, I can type 'ssh jeandanieldomain' to land on the vm
[14:21] <jeandaniel> Good job ubuntu
[14:21] <jeandaniel> took three hours, and it works almost out of the box
[14:25] <jeandaniel> to be fair it took less than that but some roomate is bugging me with the laundry and the washing up
[15:35] <tmadsen> Hi, I have a setup that looks like this: http://tmadsen.net/setup.png. I need to have the two networks N1 and N2 talking to each other, and both have access to the internet trough the firewall. Does anyone have a good idea on how to configre the firewall to make that possible?
[15:38] <faulkes-> the easiest way it to add an additional network card to the firewall as from your .png, it would appear you are trying to run two subnets off one nic
[15:38] <tmadsen> I am
[15:38] <tmadsen> so with the extra nic, you would use bridging?
[15:39] <faulkes-> not really, just basic routing
[15:39] <tmadsen> trough e.g. iptables?
[15:40] <faulkes-> the only interface that I see requiring iptables is eth0, the one connected to the internet, which needs to be configured to use nat
[15:40] <tmadsen> can't use nat, I have two webservers behind the firewall
[15:41] <faulkes-> yes, you can ;)
[15:42] <tmadsen> ok, so how can i tell which webserver should respond to port 80 requests?
[15:42] <faulkes-> nat & masquerade
[15:43] <faulkes-> well, I am assuming the ip's you have provided are the ones you are using, which require the use of nat in any case
[15:43] <faulkes-> unless those ip's are different and actually globally accessable
[15:43] <tmadsen> the N1 and N2 ips are globally accessible
[15:44] <faulkes-> essentially, what you want to do is have eth0 pretend to be all of the accessible ip's and then do a masquerade to the internal ip's which are actually 1918 based addresses
[15:45] <faulkes-> so if a request comes in for aaa.bbb.ccc.web_server1 it forwards/masquerades it to 192.168.26.N1
[15:46] <faulkes-> and if a request comes in for aaa.bbb.ccc.web_server2 it forwards/masquerades it to 192.168.26.N2
[15:47] <faulkes-> and where I have specified aaa.etc.. that is the global IP and 192.168.x.x is an actual rfc1918 address internal to your network
[15:48] <faulkes-> although not fully particular to your case, this is generally covered in the linux virtual server project
[15:50] <tmadsen> mhm, thanks
[15:50] <tmadsen> a light went on, I'll try it ... thank you
[18:21] <geos64> hi
[19:52] <AtomicSpark> is there anyway to display a wine application on a terminal only machine? maybe export it to a tty or vnc-server? i see these options "-monitor dev" and "-vnc display" but not sure what they do. any thoughts?
[20:04] <soren> AtomicSpark: Those look like qemu options?
[20:05] <AtomicSpark> yes
[20:05] <soren> er..
[20:06] <soren> Are you asking about wine or qemu?
[20:06] <AtomicSpark> heh. wine :P sorry. was playing with kvm at the same time.
[20:07] <soren> Ok. The question is completely off-topic here, but the answer is wineconsole.
[20:08] <AtomicSpark> well i'd be using it on a server and i figured someone here would have more terminal experience :P
[20:27] <soren> andyd: Hi there :)
[20:27] <andyd> why hello there. :-)
[20:30] <soren> andyd: The major differences you'll find are: The different release schedule, a different kernel, and AFAIR a rather different approach to booting and device handling. The latter will probably not be apparant, unless you start digging.
[20:30] <aliguori> soren, is it possible to do an ubuntu-server install over the serial port?
[20:30] <soren> aliguori: Should be, yes.
[20:30] <aliguori> i'm playing around with a linux kernel patch right now that makes the guest kernel aware of when it's being run with -nographic
[20:31] <aliguori> i've got a grub patch too
[20:31] <aliguori> soren, any clue what it takes?
[20:31] <soren> What does it do in that case?
[20:31] <soren> aliguori: Yeah, I'm digging out the docs now.
[20:31] <aliguori> soren, automatically output to the serial port
[20:31] <aliguori> so in linux, it adds ttyS0 as the preferred console
[20:32] <aliguori> the idea is to make it so something like qemu -cdrom ubuntu-server.iso -boot d -nographic Just Works
[20:32] <soren> aliguori: Ah. Makes sense.
[20:32] <soren> I'm not even sure what happens in that case right now?
[20:33] <aliguori> nothing :-(
[20:33] <aliguori> -nographic just hides the vga screen and redirects the serial port to stdio
[20:33] <aliguori> but the guest doesn't know you're using it, so it still outputs to vga
[20:33] <aliguori> so right now, you have to configure your guest to use serial explicitly to make use of -nographic
[20:33] <soren> Yeah, I see. I would have thought isolinux did something clever.
[20:33] <soren> (I'm considering the installer case)
[20:34] <aliguori> right
[20:34] <aliguori> well, my patch makes it detectable via cpuid that serial is the preferred console
[20:34] <aliguori> so it should be easy enough
[20:35] <andyd> The different release schedule is what interests me most, soren.
[20:35] <soren> Oh, ok. I thought you'd just detect the absence of vga and switch to ttyS0.
[20:36] <aliguori> soren, the vga is still there
[20:36] <soren> aliguori: Oh, just not hooked up to anything?
[20:36] <aliguori> soren, correct
[20:36] <soren> Gotcha.
[20:36] <aliguori> you pretty much have to have a vga device for an x86 guest
[20:36] <soren> I thought that was more of a BIOS limitation.
[20:37] <aliguori> most bootloaders assume it too i think
[20:37] <soren> Possibly. I have no clue, I'm just making this up as I go along :)
[20:37] <soren> andyd: Yeah, I sort of gathered :)
[20:38] <andyd> How soon will Hardy server be released ?
[20:39] <soren> April 24th.
[20:39] <andyd> oh, very soon then.
[21:31] <Goliath23> hi
[21:31] <Goliath23> anyone has experience with updating from 6.06 to 8.04?
[21:36] <Deeps> 8.04 isn't out of beta yet
[21:36] <Deeps> so you're probably better waiting ... 25? days til it's out i guess
[21:37] <nijaba> Goliath23: we do want to hear from you if you can test it though.  We are trying to make sure this goes smoothly, but the more tests the merrier
[21:38] <Deeps> true
[22:08] <Goliath23> hm, I see. I'm installing an ubuntu 6.06.2 LTS in a virtualbox right now and will clone my system in terms of installed packages
[22:08] <Goliath23> to test it for my production server
[22:08] <Goliath23> unfortunately, my server is x64 and I think I can't test that with virtualbox
[22:09] <JanC> virtualbox supports x86-64
[22:09] <JanC> at least when the host is also 64-bits
[22:09] <Goliath23> oh does it? I culdn't find the setting..
[22:10] <Goliath23> hm, okay. hardware is, but I installed the opensuse x86 on my workstation so I guess it's not
[22:10] <slide> Im trying to use apache + mysql auth and whe apache was at ver 2.0 I used libapache2-mod-auth-mysql but that is no longer compatible with 2.2 The replacement is libapache2-mod-authn-dbd but this is not available, can anyone help me figure out how to get it setup?
[22:11] <Goliath23> why i'm asking about upgrading in the first place is just exim to be honest. dapper has version 4.60, but I need at last 4.62 because of some features I want to use
[22:11] <Goliath23> any idea if it's possible to get updated exim4 packages for dapper?
[22:12] <JanC> hardy has 4.69 packages
[22:12] <Goliath23> but I won't be able to install them on dapper, won't I?
[22:13] <JanC> you could try te rebuild source packages of a newer version of exim on dapper
[22:13] <Goliath23> hm, yes
[22:13] <Goliath23> I did a rebuild of a source package once, but it's been a while. do you have a tutorial on that?
[22:15] <Goliath23> hm, my dapper on virtualbox won't boot. hangs on "booting the kernel" :/
[22:16] <JanC> dpkg-buildpackage