[00:15] <RichEd> hi guys & girls
[00:16] <RichEd> quick bit of advice solicited ... i run firefox on edubuntu ... what's the best in your opinion "additional browser" to install
[00:17] <RichEd> ( i want to have 2 gmail accounts open at the same time, and need another browser side-by-side with firefox )
[00:19] <leecohen> I've been trying out Flock today and really like it so far (it's built on firefox code)
[00:21] <RichEd> ahh ... good answer ... less modules to load and install & run is the sort of efficiency I am looking for
[00:21] <RichEd> i'll see if there is a version for my old creaking dapper
[00:21] <stgraber> RichEd: epiphany (package epiphany-browser) is also gecko based and supposed to be lightweight
[00:23] <RichEd> stgraber & leecohen ... the boys in the (virtual office) suggested creating another firefox profile ... lemm try that 1st
[00:23] <leecohen> that's actually a good idea
[00:24] <leecohen> probably less memory intensive
[00:24] <stgraber> RichEd: not sure you can start two profiles at the same time, last I tried it wasn't possible
[00:36] <RichEd> stgraber: been told to try it out ... seems you can run two instances of firefox and not 1 parent with children
[00:36] <RichEd> giving it a test
[00:47] <mattyo> hey all - I am having a total nightmare with something (ltsp) I wonder if anyone could help out at all?
[00:51] <RichEd> mattyo: ogra is the resident expert ... he seems to be offline right now (germany time)
[00:51] <mattyo> ah yeah it is pretty late here too (London!)
[00:51] <RichEd> check also in #ltsp ... that is the core of our ltsp and there are lots of stateside people there
[00:51] <mattyo> Yeah am on there too cheers ;)
[00:51] <RichEd> mattyo: i'll see your 11:51 and raise you a GMT +2
[00:51] <RichEd> za :)
[00:52] <mattyo> :) yeah - it's one of those annoying ones that keeps you up all night
[00:52] <mattyo> +2 is way too early - especially as our clocks went forward by an hour
[00:52] <stgraber> RichEd: oh, we are on the same timezone now :)
[00:53] <RichEd> mattyo: well at least i am slogging away one some personal stuff ... giving me the sort of illusion of a partial real life
[00:53] <mattyo> real life is not allowed
[00:54] <RichEd> mattyo: upgrade ! it is in the new version
[00:55] <stgraber> RichEd: you sure of that ?
[00:55] <RichEd> yes ... it's a plug-in ...
[00:55] <mattyo> the 8.04 one?
[00:56] <RichEd> for some you are the bearer of the plug-in
[00:56] <RichEd> for others the receptor
[00:56] <mattyo> :)
[00:56] <RichEd> if you look for an opposite group member it can be quite fun
[00:57] <RichEd> but that is just the common usage, bearer to bearer and receptor to receptor can be linked as an optional
[00:57] <RichEd> ;)
[00:57]  * RichEd stops talking shite so he can finish and get to bed
[00:57] <kgoetz> lol
[00:58] <mattyo> so you reckon I should just dump this install and go straight to the beta?
[00:58] <RichEd> ! yay ... got the personal pro-nouns right ... the /me normally clashes with my I sentiment
[00:58] <RichEd> mattyo: the beta is experimental ... testing can be fun  !@
[00:58] <RichEd> and my bang ! messed with ubotu
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[00:59] <RichEd> most people should have a disclaimer like that ;)
[00:59] <RichEd> present company excluded of course
[00:59] <RichEd> hi mr goetz
[01:00] <kgoetz> morning mister ed.
[01:03]  * kgoetz discovers a bug in [gnome,edubuntu] and debates a bug report
[01:04]  * RichEd speculates whether karl or the bug report will win the deate
[01:04] <RichEd> *debate
[01:04] <RichEd> ---------------------------------------------- <- that line indicates my end of brain & energy for today
[01:05] <RichEd> just got 2 different gmail accounts running at once ...
[01:05] <RichEd> my task for tonight
[01:05] <RichEd> and hence call it quits
[01:05] <RichEd> bye all
[01:05] <mattyo> bye
[01:07] <kgoetz> later mate
[01:43] <kgoetz> hi all. why does edubuntu install every lang pack for gcompris?
[05:16] <HedgeMage> bitch :P
[05:16] <HedgeMage> oops, that was so the wrong window!
[05:16] <HedgeMage> Sorry :(
[05:17] <kgoetz> lol :p
[05:23] <calimer> D;
[05:24] <HedgeMage> how is everyonetonight?
[07:50] <Muhammad_Saad> Hello, I have installed Edubuntu from the CD that I had requested from the free shipping service. The problem is that I cannot see any educational package installed or even on the CD. What is the reason?
[15:52] <bibstha> hello, im having a strange problem
[15:52] <bibstha> im getting the ip from dhcp, but the kernel image is not loading
[15:53] <bibstha> im sure the interfaces have proper ip address
[15:53] <bibstha> how do i debug this?
[15:53] <ogra_cmpc> are you sure there is no other dhcp server running in your network ?
[15:54] <bibstha> its a nic <---> nic connection
[15:54] <bibstha> and its getting ip address alright
[15:54] <bibstha> how to check if tftp is running?
[15:55] <ogra_cmpc> grep tftp /etc/inetd.conf && ps ax|grep inetd
[15:55] <ogra_cmpc> copy paste that line ...
[15:55] <bibstha> nothing
[15:55] <ogra_cmpc> should return you two lines if al is ok
[15:56] <ogra_cmpc> how did you install ?
[15:56] <bibstha> on top of ubuntu desktop using ltsp-stand alone
[15:56] <ogra_cmpc> the ltsp-server-standalone package is supposed to set up everything ... including tftp
[15:56] <bibstha> yeah i did exactly according to wiki
[15:57] <bibstha> 2000               stream  tcp            nowait  nobody /usr/sbin/tcpd /usr/sbin/nbdrootd /opt/ltsp/images/i386.img
[15:57] <bibstha> this is what i have in /etc/inetd.conf
[15:58] <ogra_cmpc> no line for tftp ?
[15:58] <bibstha> and tftp demon isn't running? although i did sudo /etc/init.d/tftpd-hpa start, it responsed with nothing
[15:58] <bibstha> no OK or fail
[15:59] <bibstha> i did mistakenly install ltsp-server before i installed standalone
[16:00] <ogra_cmpc> tftpd doesnt (and shouldnt) start from an initscript
[16:00] <bibstha> oh
[16:00] <ogra_cmpc> dpkg -l tftpd-hpa
[16:00] <ogra_cmpc> is it installed?
[16:00] <bibstha> its there i checked
[16:00] <bibstha> ii  tftpd-hpa                     0.43-1.1ubuntu1               HPA's tftp server
[16:00] <ogra_cmpc> thats quite strange then, did you modify anything to make it not start from inetd ?
[16:01] <bibstha> humm, haven't touched inetd.conf file or anything
[16:01] <bibstha> i presume installing lts-server messed up somewhere
[16:02] <ogra_cmpc> installinf tftpd-hpa should add the line to inetd.conf
[16:02] <bibstha> weird really, i did exactly same and it was ok in my friends pc
[16:02] <bibstha> oh
[16:02] <ogra_cmpc> ltsp-server doesnt change any system configs
[16:03] <bibstha> should i dpkg-reconfigure?
[16:03] <ogra_cmpc> ltsp-server-standalone has the dependencies though that pull in tftpd-hpa ...
[16:04] <bibstha> do u have a ltsp-server? any idea what i should be having in /etc/inetd.conf
[16:06] <bibstha> should the client reply to ping, after it got an ip?
[16:08] <ogra_cmpc> well, you can try a dpkg-reconfigure tftpd-hpa ... make sure it starts from inetd
[16:13] <bibstha> how to make sure it starts from inetd?
[16:14] <ogra_cmpc> dpkg-reconfigure should have asked you
[16:15] <bibstha> it did,
[16:15] <bibstha> i said yes, may be i should wireshark the interface
[16:15] <ogra_cmpc> if you said yes there should be an entry in the inetd.conf now
[16:16] <bibstha> 2000               stream  tcp            nowait  nobody /usr/sbin/tcpd /usr/sbin/nbdrootd /opt/ltsp/images/i386.img
[16:17] <bibstha> i think nbdrootd is what its supposed to run
[16:20] <ogra_cmpc> nbdrootd serves the frootfs after the kernel was supplied by tftp
[16:20] <ogra_cmpc> not intresting in that state
[16:20] <bibstha> oh
[16:20] <ogra_cmpc> you want a tftp line in your inetd.conf
[16:21] <ogra_cmpc> if dpkg-reconfigure tftpd-hap didnt add that when you said yes to the debconf question it asks then there is something really broken
[16:21] <bibstha> should i put one myself?
[16:21] <bibstha> humm may be
[16:21] <ogra_cmpc> *tftpd-hpa
[16:21] <bibstha> ur right
[16:22] <ogra_cmpc> do you have something like xinetd installed perhaps ? something that could break the inetd setup used by ubuntu
[16:23] <bibstha> lemme check
[16:23] <ogra_cmpc> or did you fiddle with any settings in the /etc/default dir manually that could cause this ?
[16:24] <bibstha> nop
[16:26] <bibstha> i've tftpd-hpa not tftp-hpa
[16:28] <ogra_cmpc> you should have both
[16:29] <ogra_cmpc> err, no, actually only tftpd-hpa, sorry
[16:34] <bibstha> ogra_cmpc: so its tftp, i will see what to enter in /etc/inetd.conf
[16:34] <bibstha> i didn't know inetd before, now it makes some sense
[16:48] <bibstha> ogra_cmpc: really bothering, u have any idea what should be in /etc/inetd.conf?
[16:56] <ogra_cmpc> well, something is wrong if your dpkg-reconfigure doesnt add it ...
[16:56] <ogra_cmpc> are you sure you answered the question right ?
[16:57] <ogra_cmpc> the line needs to be:
[16:57] <ogra_cmpc> tftp           dgram   udp     wait    root  /usr/sbin/in.tftpd /usr/sbin/in.tftpd -s /var/lib/tftpboot
[16:57] <ogra_cmpc> but you should really find out why its not added automatically
[17:14] <bibstha> ogra_cmpc: hey thanks, the line helped real good :D
[17:27] <Muhammad_Saad> Hello everyone! I have a question about Edubuntu. Is anyone here who can answer it?
[17:29] <Muhammad_Saad> I had requested Edubuntu CD from free shipping service. Now after I have installed it, I cannot see any educational applications installed. I searched the CD but there is none of them there either. What is the reason?
[17:30] <Muhammad_Saad> All the packages are the same as Ubuntu.
[17:36] <MattyOv> Hi all. I am having an issue with LTSP and thin clients just hanging. Can anyone help at all?
[19:22] <nixternal> you all see that Blackboard tried to patent e-learning?
[19:23] <nixternal> rather, it was rejected..seems they already had the patent
[19:29] <sonjag> I think I am once again going to be admonished by some, but oh well, here goes. I have edubuntu 7.04 serving a middle school. A while ago, my little junior hackers found a bunch of hacks using terminal (and published it to the LA teacher as a writing sample... fun little critters) so I removed their rights to use Terminal (for which a few of you let me know you thought that they should get to play with it. Sorry for the difference of opinion.) Now they fi
[19:29] <sonjag> gured out that they can use Wanda the Fish to run vncviewer and they're hacking into each others accounts. If they run it enough times, they bring the servers to their knees and we all crash. I want to restrict their use of this now. Can someone tell me the application name or how to restrict its use?
[19:46] <blue-frog_> sonjag: you might want to install and run pessulus
[19:47] <blue-frog_> it will help you lock down features such as the fish :)
[19:48] <blue-frog_> sonjag: you should use it along with sabayon by the way
[19:48] <sonjag> blue-frog_, yes, I agree. It's on my list of things to learn.
[19:49] <sonjag> blue-frog_, thanks. Yes, Sabayon is in there too. My issue right now is that Sabayon doesn't recognize my Active Directory  users which is how they log in. I'm hoping 7.10 fixes that.
[19:50] <blue-frog_> sonjag: where are the profiles stored?
[19:50] <blue-frog_> on the windows server?
[19:50] <blue-frog_> forget what I said
[19:52] <blue-frog_> I don't understand how edubuntu server interacts with active directory in fact. there are no users on the edubuntu server?
[19:53] <blue-frog_> and so no /homr/users?
[19:57] <johnny> there are users on the edubuntu server
[19:57] <johnny> just not in the chroot
[20:37] <sonjag> sorry for the delay... stepped away. When you use winbind to authenticate to an AD server, there are no local LDAP users which is what Sabayon sees. So I can assign everyone to a single group (I think). I've meant to do more homework on this. I heard a guy talk about it a while back, but couldn't get it working. I'll see if I can connect up with him again. I believe he uses Sabayon and Pessalus, and AD for authentication.
[20:38] <sonjag> BTW, edubuntu uses a combination of winbind and PAM to authenticate to AD. There are some issues with SID/GID assignments, especially in larger networks.
[20:49] <jimcooncat_> I'd like to know what happens on a small ltsp setup with a long term power outage. When all the systems come back up, do light clients hang because the DHCP server isn't ready yet? How do you deal with this?