[00:58] <ryanakca> Riddell: OK, one (very minor) thing left. 1) Do you want the stories to say "Submitted by <submitter> on Fri, 2008-03-21 11:51.", "Submitted on Fri, 2008-03-21 11:51." or nothing?
[00:58] <ryanakca> Its currently set to "Submitted by <submitter> on Fri, 2008-03-21 11:51."
[00:59] <Nightrose> ryanakca: having a date for news is important I think - just my 2c
[00:59] <ryanakca> Nightrose: I agree
[01:00] <ryanakca> Nightrose: ok, so, iyho, should we have submitter or no?
[01:00] <Nightrose> hmmmm I'd say no but I wouldn't care if we do either
[01:07] <nixternal> Nightrose: you have any KDE 4 presentations that are recent?
[01:08] <Nightrose> nixternal: the one I did at the release event in stuttgart and an updated version of that by franz
[01:08] <nixternal> gotta link?
[01:08] <Nightrose> though that is in german
[01:08] <Nightrose> but you could copy the figures
[01:09] <Nightrose> the rest is not changed AFAIR
[01:09] <Nightrose> sure
[01:09] <Nightrose> sec
[01:10] <Nightrose> nixternal: http://blog.lydiapintscher.de/2008/01/19/slides-for-the-talks-in-stuttgart/ for one - still looking for a link to the one franz did
[01:10] <nixternal> thanks!
[01:13] <Nightrose> nixternal: http://franz.keferboeck.info/KDE/ <- slides.tar - the important stuff are the updated figures
[01:14] <Nightrose> since the ones in my presentation are probably quite outdated by now
[01:15] <Nightrose> nixternal: uhmm nope sorry ;-)
[01:15] <Nightrose> kde4.odp
[01:16] <nixternal> groovy, thanks a ton
[01:16] <Nightrose> no prob
[01:28] <Nightrose> ok bedtime for me - k'nite :)
[02:11] <jjesse> quick question: how do i figure out what packages would be installed when i intall a new application?
[02:12] <ryanakca> jjesse: apt-cache show <package> | grep Depends
[02:12] <jjesse> ryanakca: thanks
[02:19] <dasKreech> ryanakca: aren't reccommends installed as well?
[02:24] <ryanakca> dasKreech: not by default I don't think... I don't know about Adept, but I don't think they are with apt-get / aptitude...
[02:56] <Hobbsee_> Jucato: ping?
[02:57] <Jucato> Hobbsee_: pong
[02:59] <Hobbsee_> hurrah!
[02:59] <dasKreech> hooray!
[03:00] <jjesse> Jucato: morning: :0
[03:01] <Jucato> evening jjesse! :)
[03:01]  * Jucato has noticed he has been pretty pretty silent in here lately
[03:01]  * jjesse too
[03:03]  * Hobbsee_ heads to lecture
[03:03] <jjesse> enjoy your lecture
[03:03]  * Jucato enjoys his coke
[03:04] <dasKreech> Whats it on?
[08:44] <Tonio_> alleeHol: digikam uploaded as promissed
[08:54] <klerfayt> Tonio_:  are you the one who I sent the email as "kristjan_"? (about kdesudo appearance)
[08:55] <Tonio_> klerfayt: yep
[08:55] <Tonio_> klerfayt: on ubuntu hardy, we have an icon for kdesudo kde34
[08:55] <Tonio_> kde3
[08:56] <Tonio_> klerfayt: having an icon on the top left is planned for kdesudo 3 soon
[08:57] <klerfayt> Tonio_: to make sure that we are talking about the same thing - bug 18451
[08:57] <ubotu> Launchpad bug 18451 in kdebase "Administrator mode should adapt to Qt theme" [Wishlist,Won't fix] https://launchpad.net/bugs/18451
[08:58] <klerfayt> Tonio_: so it appears that ubuntu does adapt the overall look of the user desktop
[09:02] <Tonio_> klerfayt: that can't be done
[09:02] <Tonio_> klerfayt: the reason is simple : kdesudo loads applications using the root profile
[09:03] <Tonio_> klerfayt: editing configuration with the user's profile ends up to .kde/share/config file UID root
[09:03] <Tonio_> klerfayt: makes them only editable as root
[09:03] <Tonio_> klerfayt: you have the same problem with standard sudo, but the difference is that people using sudo manually generally know what they do
[09:03] <Tonio_> klerfayt: that won't be fixed, unfortunatelly
[09:04] <Tonio_> hey sebas ;)
[09:04] <Tonio_> klerfayt: the solution to that is policykit, making system settings modifiable bu the user itself
[09:05] <Tonio_> with a standard 'going to root' mode, you are forced to use the root profile, unless you don't want to break the users profile
[09:05] <Tonio_> that's more a sudo problem that kdesudo's
[09:41] <Serega> hi there
[09:45] <etretyak> Serega: hi
[09:47] <etretyak> Take a look at my Launchpad logo contest entry ;-) http://help.launchpad.net/logo/submissions
[09:47] <etretyak> #30
[10:16] <Tonio_> Riddell: I'm just trying to install the pardus network manager
[10:16] <Tonio_> Riddell: python based appliation that looks like a complete replacement for knetworkconf
[10:16] <Tonio_> Riddell: trying to make it to work atm, but looks promissing
[10:26] <alleeHol> Tonio_: cool. Txh!
[10:41] <etretyak> Tonio_: Does it contain ADSL (PPPoE) setup?
[10:43] <Tonio_> etretyak: no idea yet
[11:38] <Riddell> Serega: did you ever get a chance to look at gdebi-kde?  people have been grumbling about it
[11:40] <Serega> Riddell: not yet :( I had no time last weekend. I'll start working today
[11:41] <Serega> Riddell: I should use adept-updater as a refrence, right?
[11:43] <Riddell> Serega: dist upgrade tool, which is part of update-manager
[11:44] <Riddell> see https://code.edge.launchpad.net/~ubuntu-core-dev/update-manager/main  branch
[11:45] <Riddell> revisions 849, 850, 851 http://bazaar.launchpad.net/~ubuntu-core-dev/update-manager/main/changes
[11:46] <Serega> Riddell: thank you
[11:46] <Serega> Riddell: is there any deadlines for this issue?
[11:48] <Riddell> Serega: RC freeze in two weeks
[11:48] <Serega> nice
[11:52] <ryanakca> Riddell: Do you want the stories to say "Submitted by <submitter> on Fri, 2008-03-21 11:51.", "Submitted on Fri, 2008-03-21 11:51." or nothing?
[11:52] <ryanakca> Its currently set to "Submitted by <submitter> on Fri, 2008-03-21 11:51."
[11:53] <Riddell> shrug
[11:53] <Riddell> number 2 is simplest
[12:11] <_StefanS_> Tonio__: hey
[12:11] <_StefanS_> Tonio__: I keep  getting undefined reference when it links the last part of knm.. I'm sure how to fix it.
[12:12] <_StefanS_> Tonio__: not sure ;)
[12:12] <_StefanS_> Tonio__: undefined reference to `non-virtual thunk ..
[12:12] <_StefanS_> driving me nuts
[12:18] <Tonio_> _StefanS_: hey ;)
[12:18] <Tonio_> _StefanS_: I just tried to make the pardus config tools to work
[12:18] <Tonio_> _StefanS_: no way for me.... that's pretty sad cause they seem to have a "guidance" equivalent, but much more advanced that guidance I must say
[12:18] <Tonio_> and they have a superb network configuration tool....
[12:19] <Tonio_> _StefanS_: any news on your side ?
[12:20] <Tonio_> _StefanS_: see http://www.pardus.org.tr/eng/projects/network-manager/index.html
[12:25] <ryanakca> Riddell: if you want to look through it and try to find anything that's missing/wrong/needs to be fixed. The Submitted line I'll code in tonight when I get back from school, and then it's all yours :)
[12:32] <_StefanS_> Tonio_: what is the url for ?
[12:34] <Tonio_> _StefanS_: I just wanted to give pardus network configuration tools a test :)
[12:35] <Tonio_> _StefanS_: what's new on your side ?
[12:35] <_StefanS_> Tonio_: I wrote you a few lines
[12:35] <_StefanS_> Tonio_: undefined reference to `non-virtual thunk .. when compiling
[12:36] <_StefanS_> Tonio_: I think its something with makefiles, ie. something that hasn't been regenerated properly. Else the dialog is done, I just need to put in the code for the events (start/stop networking, load/save /etc/network/interfaces)
[12:37] <Tonio_> _StefanS_: have a code somewhere ?
[12:37] <_StefanS_> Tonio_: I can put it online in a moment (~10mins)
[12:37] <Tonio_> oki ;)
[12:37] <_StefanS_> Tonio_: it happens in obj-486-*
[12:37] <Tonio_> hum weird.....; well I can have a look once the code is available
[12:39] <_StefanS_> its really odd since I have included all the new classes, and linked it into the knm main app
[12:39] <gribelu> Krusader 1.90 is out .. in case someone feels like updating the package in the repos :) https://launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/krusader
[12:40] <_StefanS_> Tonio_: have you experimented with preload?
[12:42] <Tonio_> _StefanS_: nope :/
[12:45] <_StefanS_> Tonio_: makes the system a little bit faster I think.. anyway, I'm compiling it now, and will make a package afterwards
[12:46] <_StefanS_> Tonio_: the tar file you can look at, i mean
[12:46] <_StefanS_> goddamn I'm tired.
[12:47] <Tonio_> :)
[12:48] <_StefanS_> brb.
[13:01] <_StefanS_> Tonio_: http://194.192.21.169/knm.tar.gz - just do a debuild -nc and you'll see the error
[13:01] <Tonio_> oki ;)
[13:38] <_StefanS_> Tonio_: can you see the error?
[13:39] <Artemis_Fowl> apachelogger: remember what I was telling you about the other day? indeed there were no files missing.
[13:40] <Tonio_> _StefanS_: yes and I can reproduce command line
[13:41] <Tonio_> _StefanS_: but I really don't understand what happens....... your code seems valid
[13:41] <_StefanS_> Tonio_: exactly my point.. I have defined the class (StaticNetwork*) like I should
[13:41] <_StefanS_> freakin' wierd.
[13:41] <Tonio_> ./.libs/libkdeinit_knetworkmanager.so: undefined reference to `NewStaticNetworkDialog::~NewStaticNetworkDialog()
[13:42] <Tonio_> this is the one getting me lost
[13:43] <Tonio_> _StefanS_: ld ./.libs/libkdeinit_knetworkmanager.so
[13:43] <Tonio_> _StefanS_: gives the same issue
[13:46] <_StefanS_> Tonio_: I suppose its possible to just test the changes in the obj-486 and dont bother with the packaging system to start with
[13:46] <Tonio_> you mean ?
[13:46] <Tonio_> _StefanS_: I compile manually here, nothing to do with debian
[13:46] <_StefanS_> Tonio_: ah you just do a make in obj-486*
[13:47] <Tonio_> nope, in the sources :)
[13:48] <_StefanS_> uhm ok
[13:49] <_StefanS_> Tonio_: are you only getting an error for "/.libs/libkdeinit_knetworkmanager.so: undefined reference to `NewStaticNetworkDialog::~NewStaticNetworkDialog()" ?
[13:50] <_StefanS_> Tonio_: because I got around 4 lines concerning everything about NewStaticNetworkDialog()
[13:50] <seaLne> jpatrick: did you see Bug #207078 unfortunatly it seems to be a problem with hal
[13:50] <Tonio_> _StefanS_: I get 4 like you
[13:50] <ubotu> Launchpad bug 207078 in kdebase "encrypted volumes aren't mounted after decrypting if raw device" [Low,In progress] https://launchpad.net/bugs/207078
[13:50] <Tonio_> _StefanS_: when I comment out the decalration in the header file I get this :
[13:50] <Tonio_> knetworkmanager-dialogfab.cpp:371: error: 'NewStaticNetworkDialog' has not been declared
[13:51] <Tonio_> _StefanS_: means that it is seen and correctly declared
[13:51] <jpatrick> seaLne: great someone's working on it
[13:51] <Nightrose> nixternal: any questions about/problems with the slides yet?
[13:51] <_StefanS_> Tonio_: yep
[13:51] <seaLne> unfortunatly that is me and all i worked out was it didn't seem to be kde causing the problem
[13:51] <jpatrick> seaLne: ah, you
[13:52] <_StefanS_> Tonio_: maybe I can find some info about using .ui files and the proper integration, maybe I simply overlooked something.
[13:52] <Tonio_> possible
[13:55] <Tonio_> _StefanS_: seems to be due to .ui files somehow
[13:56] <_StefanS_> Tonio_: I'm just going through my implementation using this: http://techbase.kde.org/index.php?title=Development/Tutorials/Using_Qt_Designer, so far it looks alright
[13:58] <Tonio_> oki
[13:58] <Tonio_> weird.......
[13:58] <_StefanS_> Tonio_: seems like I'm missing a destructor in the dialogfab.cpp file..
[13:58] <_StefanS_> Tonio_: Like WirelessDialog::~WirelessDialog() { } does it.
[13:59] <Tonio_> maybe.....
[13:59] <_StefanS_> Tonio_: could add this on line 381: NewStaticNetworkDialog::~NewStaticNetworkDialog() { }
[13:59] <_StefanS_> Tonio_: and try to recompile
[14:03] <Tonio_> _StefanS_: line 381 ?
[14:04] <_StefanS_> Tonio_: in dialogfab.cpp
[14:04] <_StefanS_> Tonio_: a deconstructor is missing
[14:04] <Tonio_> yeah but I don't see the crypto deconstructor, where is it ?
[14:04] <HamishTPB> Riddell: ping
[14:05] <_StefanS_> Tonio_: donno, but the NewWirelessDialog has it, which this one is based upon. It should be there
[14:05] <Tonio_> k
[14:05] <Riddell> hi HamishTPB
[14:06] <HamishTPB> hello matey
[14:06] <HamishTPB> sorry I didn't get back to you last time
[14:06] <HamishTPB> I panicked and screwed up and ended up reinstalling 7.10 from CD
[14:06] <HamishTPB> I tried the upgrade again now that the 8.04 is beta though and still the same issue
[14:06] <HamishTPB> bug #204818
[14:06] <ubotu> Launchpad bug 204818 in update-manager "update manager crashed upgrading 'libc6' package." [Undecided,Incomplete] https://launchpad.net/bugs/204818
[14:06] <Tonio_> _StefanS_: still can't find it, can you tell me the line number so that I can compare the code syntax please ?
[14:07] <HamishTPB> Riddell: I haven't touched a thing this time - hoping you could tell me what to do next to rescue the system? :)
[14:09] <_StefanS_> Tonio_: line 421, there you have the decontructor for newwirelessdialog
[14:09] <Riddell> HamishTPB: the logs are needed to debug
[14:09] <_StefanS_> Tonio_: a similar one is needed on line 381 for newstaticnetworkdialog
[14:09] <_StefanS_> brb in 20mins.
[14:10] <HamishTPB> Riddell: can you remind me where to find them, please?
[14:13] <Riddell> HamishTPB: "please attach the contents of /var/log/dist-upgrade/
[14:13] <Riddell> "
[14:13] <HamishTPB> Riddell: ok - will do
[14:14] <HamishTPB> Riddell: in the meantime what can I do - when I click close I get more errors in a cascade
[14:14] <Riddell> HamishTPB: probably not very much, libc is used by everything
[14:14] <HamishTPB> Riddell: yeah that is what I was afraid of
[14:15] <Riddell> get a live CD, boot up, chroot into hard disk and install the libc .deb
[14:15] <Riddell> or just reinstall I'm afraid
[14:15] <HamishTPB> Riddell: ok - I will grab an 8.04 disc image before I reboot just in case then
[14:15] <HamishTPB> Riddell: thanks very much
[14:18] <Tonio_> _StefanS_: worked :)
[14:22] <HamishTPB> Riddell: one more thing - just for my own paranoia ;-) Can you check that you can read the log files I uploaded, please?
[14:36] <_StefanS_> Tonio_: does it compile now?
[14:37] <Tonio_> _StefanS_: yep
[14:37] <_StefanS_> Tonio_: cool, I will hack on it tonight then
[14:38] <_StefanS_> Tonio_: hopefully i can get the code running that actually does something :)
[14:38] <_StefanS_> gotta go.
[14:45] <nosrednaekim> ok... where should I upload my April Fool's Kubuntu-default-settings?
[14:48] <seele> dasKreech: pong
[14:50] <dasKreech> hi seele
[14:51] <dasKreech> i was wondering about a comicc book view for Khelpcenter
[14:51] <seele> what is comic book view?
[14:52] <Jucato> huh whut?
[14:52] <Jucato> oh hi seele
[14:52] <seele> *wave*
[14:52] <Jucato> *drown*
[14:55] <dasKreech> Well I was just thinking that the help stuff in some of KDE EDU apps are much too advanced for the audience
[14:55] <dasKreech> Might be helpful to have a simpler interface that's more attractive
[14:56] <dasKreech> We will have to clear it against Wade's Gearhead patent :)
[14:57] <dasKreech> or should the interface for a child be explicitly so clear that they never need a help file
[14:57] <dasKreech> Which would only then be for the supervising adult?
[14:58]  * dasKreech rescues Jucato
[14:58]  * dasKreech puts on some BeeGees as motivational music
[15:00] <seele> dasKreech: then maybe the kde edu app help probably needs rewritten?
[15:00] <Riddell> nosrednaekim: what's in it?
[15:00] <dasKreech> Isn't it KHelpCenter?
[15:00] <seele> khelpcenter needs work, regardless
[15:01] <dasKreech> Yes it does but I was asking if it would make sense to look at a childs mode
[15:01] <seele> i dont know, but i dont think so
[15:01] <dasKreech> it could probably just take key marked sentences and put them in comic bubbles with standard interchangng konqui and katie images
[15:01] <seele> we have no idea if children look at help files, so we'd have to figure that out
[15:02] <dasKreech> \o/
[15:02] <seele> also, reading level would matter, those with low reading skills most probably wont look to help
[15:02] <dasKreech> User research
[15:02] <dasKreech> Yes I figured KLettres probably wouldn't need one at all
[15:02] <seele> also, opening help from an app brings them to the application help contents, so we dont have to child-proof the search interface
[15:02]  * Jucato thinks a separate "Tutorial" is better, leaving the Handbook for more experienced users who need to setup/configure the app for the kids
[15:02] <dasKreech> ie for the children
[15:03] <seele> Jucato: a lot of people would benefit from a separate tutorial, not just children
[15:03] <Jucato> seele: sure. but I was thinking of the specific case of kde-edu apps :)
[15:03] <Jucato> for other apps, perhaps it could be merged into the handbook?
[15:04] <seele> i dunno
[15:04] <seele> proably depends on if the people who use tutorials are the same kinds of people who look up help documentation
[15:04] <seele> those audiences could be different
[15:04] <seele> might also dependon the delivery method, so without some tutorials to look at, i dont know if they would fit in to khelpcenter
[15:04] <Jucato> point taken
[15:04] <Jucato> :)
[15:05] <nosrednaekim> Riddell: new wallpaper, new plasma theme, and new color scheme, all replaceing the previous files
[15:10] <dasKreech> seele: So we need first to gather a small army of children
[15:10] <Jucato> *K*ids (emphasis on the K)
[15:11] <dasKreech> I fairly dislike the use of the word kids :)
[15:11] <nosrednaekim> dasKreech: I have two litte brothers :)
[15:11] <dasKreech> donate them!!
[15:12] <nosrednaekim> to usability testing?
[15:12] <dasKreech> Yes ;-)
[15:12] <dasKreech> i'll run the idea past annmom
[15:12] <nosrednaekim> unfortinately, one is far from "normal" he knows Ruby, C, GTK and tons of other crazy stuff and he's like 12 :)
[15:13] <dasKreech> He knows Gtk?
[15:13] <dasKreech> yes yes fat from normal
[15:13] <nosrednaekim> the other one sounds like a prime slave for your project though ;-)
[15:13] <dasKreech> far
[15:13] <dasKreech> :-)
[15:13] <nosrednaekim> XD
[15:13] <dasKreech> Anyway
[15:13] <dasKreech> I'm off to work
[15:13] <nosrednaekim> later
[15:13] <Riddell> nosrednaekim: got a screenshot?
[15:14] <Riddell> nosrednaekim: or just a copy of the package
[15:14] <nosrednaekim> yeah, I can send you a copy of the package, and I have release notes :)
[15:17] <nosrednaekim> email?
[15:19] <Riddell> nosrednaekim: jriddell@ ubuntu.com
[15:20] <nosrednaekim> ok.... it'll take a while though :)
[15:25] <nosrednaekim> Riddell: one thing though, does the TODO-plasma-appletsrc work? does it set the correct wallpaper?
[15:26] <Riddell> nosrednaekim: I believe not
[15:27] <nosrednaekim> oh well, guess I'll just stay with the default WP then, no big deal :)
[15:40] <jhutchins_wk> There was a problem with the cups configuration a while back, you couldn't use cups to add printers and such - cupsys didn't have access to the passwd file and couldn't authenticate a user.  Was that ever fixed?
[16:10] <HamishTPB> Riddell: good (ish) news - I managed to recover my system from the console without having to reinstall, just finishing the upgrade (I hope) using adept updater now
[16:12] <Riddell> HamishTPB: did you attach the logs to the bug report?
[16:12] <HamishTPB> Riddell: yes - I hope so anyway - seemed to go ok before I rebooted
[16:14] <HamishTPB> Riddell: yes - seem to have uploaded ok
[16:17] <HamishTPB> I gtg again but I have marked the bug to email me updates
[16:35] <Riddell> yuriy: how about k* in http://daniel.holba.ch/really-fix-it/ for the next hug day?
[16:47] <Riddell> nosrednaekim: your package didn't arrive
[16:48] <nosrednaekim> Riddell: I know <_<, the email failed. Dial-up isn't to kind on uplading 5 MB :)
[16:48] <nosrednaekim> trying again
[16:53] <Riddell> nosrednaekim: rsync -CvzapP --stats file michael@87-194-29-91.bethere.co.uk:  if you like
[16:58] <nosrednaekim> Riddell: whats that do? and does "file" have to be a prexisting file on the server?
[16:59] <nosrednaekim> I ran it and it was done in like 2 seconds, so i'm not sure it did anything useful :P
[17:01] <Riddell> nosrednaekim: yes, file is the file to upload
[17:09] <Nightrose> Riddell: I will be organising the kde booth at open source expo here in Karlsruhe as you might have read - how are my chances of getting kubuntu cds? - same for froscon but that is still a long time ahead
[17:10] <nixternal> I just got my Kubuntu CDs for this weeks Flourish conference
[17:10] <nixternal> I am hoping only 10 people want a Kubuntu CD :/
[17:10] <Riddell> Nightrose: when is it?
[17:11] <Nightrose> 25th and 26th of may
[17:11] <Nightrose> nixternal: :(
[17:11] <Nightrose> same problem we had at cebit
[17:11] <Nightrose> and plenty of suse cds...
[17:11] <nixternal> I just think the ShipIt people do not like me at all
[17:12] <nixternal> the Ubuntu Chicago leader got a conference pack...which I never got during my 2 years as the leader
[17:12] <nixternal> hehe
[17:12] <Nightrose> not that I have anything against suse but having around 500 suse cds vs 10 or so kubuntu cds was not ideal ;-)
[17:13] <nixternal> heh, last year though at the flourish conference, we were loaded with CDs, like 500 of them, and they were gone in an instant...then again, I would say 400 were Ubuntu while the rest were Kubuntu and Edubuntu
[17:14] <nixternal> but only getting a few CDs can be good, because now I make sure people who aren't using Linux already get them
[17:15] <Riddell> Nightrose: if it's in may you probably want to wait until hardy is out
[17:15] <Nightrose> Riddell: so this is the week after fosscamp - if that helps I could take them home from there
[17:15] <Nightrose> hmm yea thought so
[17:50] <nosrednaekim> Riddell: its done
[17:52] <smarter> Riddell: I've made a debdiff to remove kubuntu_9924_kde4_no_medianotifier.diff which is not needed anymore: http://smarter.free.fr/pkg/kdebase.debdiff
[17:54] <Riddell> thanks smarter
[17:54] <nosrednaekim> Riddell: its kubuntu-default-settings_8.04-41.tar.gz in my /home on that IP (whatever it is)
[17:55] <Riddell> nosrednaekim: got it
[18:07] <nosrednaekim> Riddell: I also put a screenshot if you want to seehow disgusting it looks :P
[18:11] <Riddell> nosrednaekim: mmm, pink
[18:12] <Nightrose> yay pink :P
[18:12] <nosrednaekim> I don't think the turquise buttons are showing in that screenshot either ;-)
[18:16] <nixternal> nosrednaekim: where is the screeny? I have to see it
[18:17] <nixternal> hahahahahahaha
[18:17] <nosrednaekim> nixternal: Riddell has it somewhere
[18:17] <nixternal> Riddell: post that bad boy, I gotta see this
[18:17] <Riddell> nixternal: http://kubuntu.org/~jriddell/tmp/foolsSS.png
[18:18] <nixternal> omg that is hidious
[18:19] <Riddell> nixternal: able to test this? http://kubuntu.org/~jriddell/tmp/kubuntu-default-settings_8.04-16_all.deb
[18:19] <nosrednaekim> glad you like it:)
[18:19] <nixternal> Riddell: is that what I think it is?
[18:19] <Riddell> nixternal: if it works
[18:19]  * nixternal is scared
[18:19] <Riddell> we've never successfully themed plasma before
[18:20] <emonkey> *g*
[18:20] <jjesse> Riddell: did you see the copy of the chpt i sent you :)
[18:20] <nosrednaekim> Riddell: this isn't exactly plasma theming...
[18:20] <nosrednaekim> but the background unfortunately won't make it across
[18:21] <Artemis__Fowl> Which is the standard KDE directory for application data in Kubuntu? (eg KStandardDirs::locate("data") would return what)?
[18:21] <Riddell> Artemis__Fowl: KDE 3 or 4?
[18:21] <Artemis__Fowl> Riddell: 4
[18:21] <Artemis__Fowl> Riddell: always :)
[18:22] <Riddell> Artemis__Fowl: /usr/lib/kde4/share/kde4/apps/<app>/
[18:24] <nixternal> Riddell: didn't work
[18:24] <nixternal> it changed the KDM wallpaper, that's about it
[18:24] <nixternal> and that is the ugliest wallpaper I have ever sen
[18:24] <nosrednaekim> nixternal: you have to make a new user you know....
[18:25] <nixternal> nosrednaekim: didn't know that
[18:25]  * nixternal does that now
[18:25] <nixternal> so it only changes the defaults then
[18:25] <nosrednaekim> yeah... it doesn't change anyone's existing home DIR
[18:28] <jjesse> if i create a bug on bugs.kde.org, should i create the sam bug on lp and link the two?
[18:30] <apachelogger> Riddell: theme?
[18:30] <apachelogger> that wasn't a problem at all
[18:30] <apachelogger> preconfiguring the plasmoids was thouhg
[18:30] <apachelogger> *though
[18:31] <nixternal> nope, still not working
[18:32] <nixternal> jjesse: if the bug is in both KDE upstream and Kubuntu, then yes
[18:32] <nixternal> gotta be careful though with reporting upstream bugs when running KDE 4.0.2
[18:32] <jjesse> nixternal: thought so
[18:32] <jjesse> too late already reported some :)
[18:32] <jjesse> will link lafter (afk)
[18:33] <nosrednaekim> nixternal: did you try KDE4? and what did it look like?
[18:33] <nixternal> looked like the default KDE 4
[18:34] <nixternal> only thing that changed was the kdm-kde3 background and the kde3 wallpaper...nothing in kde4
[18:34] <nosrednaekim> hrm, I must have changed the wrong files...
[18:41] <nosrednaekim> nixternal: not sure what I did wrong, I just replaced the appropriate files....
[18:41] <nosrednaekim> in kde4/kde-rc-files
[18:43] <apachelogger> nosrednaekim: what are you trying to archive?
[18:43] <nosrednaekim> I'm trying to modify the kubuntu-default settings with a new color scheme and plasma theme
[18:44] <nosrednaekim> for the colors, I just put in a modified kdeglobals
[18:44] <apachelogger> plasma theme should only be one file
[18:44] <apachelogger> amarokrc
[18:44] <apachelogger> Theme=foobar
[18:45] <apachelogger> for colors I would actually suggest creating the kde color file and using it
[18:45] <nosrednaekim> I thought the plasma theme went into the desktoptheme DIR
[18:46]  * apachelogger can't reprdocue bug #176332 :S
[18:46] <ubotwo> Launchpad bug 176332 in pulseaudio "amarok does not work with pulseaudio [hardy]" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/176332
[18:46] <apachelogger> nosrednaekim: yeah, but you need to set it as theme in the amaorkrc
[18:46] <apachelogger> in fact there should be a working setup somewhere in the bzr logs
[18:46] <apachelogger> since I had a theme earlier on
[18:46] <nosrednaekim> apachelogger: amarokrc? I'm not trying to modify amarok
[18:47] <apachelogger> eh
[18:47] <apachelogger> plasmarc :P
[18:47]  * apachelogger is getting confused by all the issues
[18:47] <nosrednaekim> oh... ok
[18:49] <apachelogger> nosrednaekim: http://bazaar.launchpad.net/~kubuntu-members/kubuntu-default-settings/ubuntu/revision/145
[18:49] <apachelogger> http://bazaar.launchpad.net/~kubuntu-members/kubuntu-default-settings/ubuntu/annotate/apachelogger%40ubuntu.com-20080209183507-f00bkrcsx15x8uxr?file_id=plasmarc-20080209183504-fkwayhx9l2posf62-21
[18:49] <nosrednaekim> thank you
[18:51] <nosrednaekim> apachelogger: I see! seems i'm missing a plasmarc in my archive for some reason
[18:52] <apachelogger> -.-
[18:52] <apachelogger> dood
[18:52] <apachelogger> amarok even works when I choose pulseaudio in xine
[18:52] <apachelogger> and pulseaudio in xine is about as broken as kde 4.0.0 was
[18:58] <nosrednaekim> apachelogger: amarok is just that good?
[18:59] <apachelogger> apparently
[18:59] <apachelogger> I really need to create a QA testing script for amarok
[18:59] <smarter> it even works without speaker (:
[19:04] <smarter> mmh, when I right click on a web page and konqueror and do open with --> firefox it opens konqueror cache(/var/tmp/kdecache/...), can anyone reproduce this?
[19:08] <nixternal> smarter: konqi 3 or 4?
[19:08] <nixternal> in 4 it works fine
[19:08] <smarter> konqui3
[19:08] <nixternal> konqi3 is also opening it correctly
[19:08] <nixternal> using firefox 3 beta
[19:08] <smarter> konqi4 crashes everytime I try to open it
[19:12]  * nixternal has to remember to not put on the gullable hat tomorrow
[19:14] <apachelogger> smarter: uninstall webkit then :P
[19:15] <smarter> apachelogger: good idea (:
[19:16] <nosrednaekim> nixternal: did you know that gullable is in the dictionary?
[19:18] <smarter> w00t, it worked
[19:18] <smarter> apachelogger: danke sehr
[19:19] <apachelogger> smarter: keine ursache :P
[19:19] <nixternal> nosrednaekim: how about gullible then :)
[19:20] <nixternal> I can speel man!
[19:20] <uga> nosrednaekim: what english word isn't on the dictionary
[19:21] <uga> to (noun)able... lets try ... fishable. something likely to be converted into fish
[19:21] <uga> lets check
[19:21] <nosrednaekim> :)
[19:21] <uga> fish·able Listen to the pronunciation of fishable \ˈfi-shə-bəl\ adjective
[19:21] <uga> rofl
[19:21] <nixternal> lol
[19:21] <uga> see? it exists. I swear I did that randomly =)
[19:22] <nixternal> uga: I do that every now and then...see if I can just create something silly, like Bushisms, G Dub style :p
[19:22] <Serega> good evening
[19:22] <nixternal> howdy Serega
[20:09] <fdoving>  /names
[20:09] <fdoving> ops.
[20:10] <fdoving> Tonio_: more kdesudo issues Bug 209831 - another whitespace/quoting issue.
[20:10] <ubot3> Malone bug 209831 in kdesudo "Unable to pass parameters with spaces in" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/209831
[20:48] <gribelu> krus
[20:48] <gribelu> oops
[20:58] <yuriy> Riddell: hug day is more about triaging (i.e. getting people who don't know coding or packaging to participate). i think really-fix-it is something for developers to look at, as it's essentially "here be patches"
[21:05] <ScottK> yuriy: It wasn't always that way.  Having developers on hand and fixing stuff as it was triaged used to be common in the Breezy era (I've been told).
[21:11] <nixternal> we should have a 'Jr. Jobs List' and a 'Developers Job List' maybe for Hug Day?
[21:12] <ryanakca> nixternal: yeah, split the confirming jobs, and the fixing jobs in two.
[21:12] <ryanakca> (two categories)
[21:14] <ScottK> Some real time bug fixing/uploading would surely motivate the triagers.
[21:17] <crimsun> feasible if you have release team and/or FFe team members on hand.
[21:24] <yuriy> ScottK: and bug numbers were in the 10000 range in the breezy era
[21:24] <yuriy> anyways, really-fix-it is all "fixing jobs"
[21:24] <ScottK> Yes, but that means we need more fixing, not less.
[21:24] <yuriy> though perhaps junior ones
[21:25] <ScottK> "really-fixi-it" is a script that shows if someone has checked the 'patch' option on an attachment.
[21:25] <\sh> ScottK: and many of them are just "incomplete" or "invalid"
[21:25] <yuriy> also if an upstream report is marked as fixed
[21:25] <\sh> (see the anjuta one)
[21:25] <ScottK> Some of them aren't even patches
[21:26] <ScottK> BTW, if you edit the attachment and uncheck 'patch' the go off that list.
[21:27] <ScottK> the/they
[21:27] <\sh> ScottK: they should go away as well when they are set to "incomplete" or "invalid" or "won't fix" :)
[21:28] <ScottK> Dunno.  Didn't test that.
[21:30] <\sh> ScottK: well, as I said, they should go away...if not, it's a bug :)
[21:30] <\sh> and we just need a patch for it ;)
[21:30] <\sh> anyways time to leave now..and go to bed...
[21:30] <\sh> and watch some "Eureka" episodes
[21:31] <\sh> cu tomorrow
[21:37] <ryanakca> Riddell: ping, did you get around to reviewing the website?
[21:44] <Riddell> ryanakca: not yet
[21:44] <Riddell> apachelogger: did nos's k-d-s get sorted?
[21:55] <Riddell> stdin: are you able/willing to backport 4.0.3 tomorrow?
[21:56] <stdin> Riddell: yeah
[21:56] <Riddell> great
[21:56] <dvoid> u know what would be good, to be abble to put a comment or something on 3rd-party repositories in adept manager, so i can type why i added the repository and what it contains
[21:57] <Riddell> dvoid: file a wishlist bug on software-properties
[22:02] <dvoid> where do i do that?
[22:03] <Riddell> https://launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/software-properties
[22:07] <TameLion> I know lots of you guys are lurking in #ubuntu-devel too, but for those who aren't:
[22:07] <TameLion> THANK YOU!
[22:07] <TameLion> Hardy beta is easiest Kubuntu install EVER for me
[22:07] <Riddell> you're welcome :)
[22:07] <TameLion> :D
[22:08] <TameLion> Riddell: Thanks for keeping kde up-to-date
[22:08] <TameLion> stdin et al: Thanks for starting off the KDE4 PPA
[22:08] <TameLion> Just thank you everyone. It's utterly awesome.
[22:09] <TameLion> That is all.
[22:09] <stdin> nice to have a positive review of the PPA ;P
[22:20]  * LjL mutters something about that guy probably having drunk too much
[22:26] <awen_> LjL: does that make it worse? you are supposed to hear the truth from drunk people ;)
[22:26] <LjL> maybe, maybe :)
[22:27] <ScottK> awen_: As you saw, I uploaded kde-guidance.  I thought those changes had been uploaded already.  Did I get confused some how?
[22:28] <awen_> ScottK: yeah, you did... you based your ubuntu9 release upon the wrong ubuntu8 ... instead of the correct one from the archive, you've probably based it on your own local copy before merging it with my changes
[22:29] <ScottK> awen_: OK.  Thanks for catching that and fixing it.
[22:29] <ScottK> I figured it'd be smart to believe you and just upload it.
[22:29] <awen_> ScottK: no problem (suddenly my brightness was broken again, he) ... and thanks for the re-upload :)
[22:36] <awen_> ScottK: any "critical" bugs in guidance, that needs fixing apart from in displayconfig? ... most of them looks old and don't seem to have been reproduced in later versions
[22:37] <ScottK> awen_: Not that I can see.  The last time through the userconfig one was the most concerning.  You might test out mountconfig and see how it's working.
[22:39] <awen_> ScottK: yeah... i can see something about mounting problems with iPod; i'll try to test it with various usb-disks / mp3's tomorrow
[22:40] <awen_> ScottK: did you find out your problem with (k)network-manager?
[22:40] <ScottK> awen_: Great.  superm1 knows a lot about ipod stuff if you need some help.
[22:41] <ScottK> awen_: I haven't had time to pursue it.  I saw the list of open knetworkmanager bugs and fainted.
[22:43] <awen_> ScottK: okay, i don't have an iPod myself, so can't do real testing against it ... could you reproduce the ipod problems?
[22:43] <ScottK> I tried and failed to get my new ipod working on Gutsy.  I haven't tried again since I upgraded to Hardy.
[22:46] <awen_> ScottK: okay... if you get to test it, and can confirm the problem, i wouldn't mind to know
[22:47] <ScottK> IIRC I needed a new libgpod and had trouble integrating it.  Hardy should be fine with what is has for htat.
[22:48] <awen_> ScottK: it is a new branch of knetworkmanager, that exists in kde4 right?
[22:51] <seele> hells bells there are a lot of people in here
[22:51] <seele> nixternal: ping
[22:53] <nosrednaekim> bleh... sorry, Internet died for a couple hours... I still can't figure out how to modify kubuntu-default-settings though. Maybe i'll just post a screenshot and the release notes <_<
[22:53] <Riddell> ah, nosrednaekim
[22:53] <Riddell> hmm
[23:05] <Riddell> nosrednaekim: I got it working
[23:05] <Riddell> just needs the files uncommented in Makefile
[23:05] <nosrednaekim> AH! :)
[23:06] <nosrednaekim> my lack of packaging experience killed me there :)
[23:06] <Riddell> nosrednaekim: what's to be done with kdeglobals?
[23:06] <Riddell> ./kde-rc-files/kdeglobals-pink should go in .kde4 ?
[23:07] <nosrednaekim> uhh that was a mistake, sorry
[23:07] <nosrednaekim> you can delete that file
[23:07] <Riddell> nosrednaekim: so what adds the widget colours?
[23:08] <nosrednaekim> kde4/kde-rc-files/kdeglobals
[23:09] <Riddell> hmm, doesn't seem to do much
[23:11] <nosrednaekim> did you try copying it to the proper location in your .kde4 or something?
[23:11] <Riddell> copied to /usr/share/kubuntu-default-settings/kde4-profile/default/share/cnfig/kdeglobals
[23:12] <Riddell> works in ~/.kde4/share/config/
[23:12] <Riddell> my goodness that's a very pink pink
[23:13] <nosrednaekim> BARBIE!
[23:13] <nosrednaekim> :)
[23:15] <Riddell> right, I think I have it now
[23:18] <Riddell> nosrednaekim: what's your e-mail for the changelog?
[23:20] <nosrednaekim> nosrednaekim at gmail.com
[23:29] <Riddell> who can test http://kubuntu.org/~jriddell/tmp/kubuntu-default-settings_8.04-16_all.deb ?
[23:35] <awen_> g'night people
[23:36] <Artimus> Riddell: I'd be happy to, what does that exactly affect?  Would creating a new user account be sufficient, or does it deal with other settings as well?
[23:36] <Riddell> Artimus: should just need a restart of plasma and any kde 4 app
[23:37] <Artimus> Riddell: Oh, I figured "Default settings and artwork" meant stock settings...
[23:37] <nosrednaekim> Riddell: really? I think it only affects new users
[23:37] <Riddell> well, yes
[23:37] <nosrednaekim> unless you changed it not to... which would be awesome :)
[23:37] <Riddell> nosrednaekim: only if they've set their theme to something (which you can't in KDE 4.0)
[23:38] <nosrednaekim> haha, cool :)
[23:38] <Artimus> Riddell: So, is there anything I should watch out for in particular?
[23:38] <Riddell> fluffly pinkness
[23:39] <nosrednaekim> Riddell: do you have a link to the kde4 daily lives? I can only find the kde3 ones
[23:40] <Artimus> Riddell: I just saw an RSS post about a pink KDE4
[23:40] <nosrednaekim> this is pinker than that :)
[23:40] <Riddell> nosrednaekim: s/kubuntu/kubuntu-kde4/
[23:41] <nosrednaekim> ok
[23:41] <Artimus> :(
[23:42] <Artimus> Riddell: Adept wants to replace it...  You should bump the version number.
[23:48] <Artimus> Riddell: Well, I installed it, created a new user, and started KDE4.  I see nothing new.  Certainly nothing pink.
[23:53] <Riddell> hang o
[23:54] <Riddell> Artimus: try http://kubuntu.org/~jriddell/tmp/kubuntu-default-settings_8.04-17_all.deb