=== colin_ is now known as kernco [00:02] What do I need to do to play DVDs in Kubuntu Hardy? I have installed kubuntu-restricted-extras, but that didn't seem to do it. [00:02] libdvdcss? [00:02] don't recall right off the bat how to get it [00:02] !libdvdcss [00:02] For playing DVD, see http://help.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/desktopguide/C/video.html - "libdvdcss2" can be found at !Medibuntu or (for Feisty and earlier) http://wiki.ubuntu.com/SeveasPackages - Try k9copy (available in !Universe) for backing up DVDs [00:03] It's says "no candidate version found for libdvdcss2" === hydrogen is now known as eaen [00:04] I think Hardy Heron has some goofy things about it that aren't finished, so those guides *might* not work [00:05] If they don't, try #kubuntu+1 [00:05] Yeah, none of the things I've done in previous versions of Ubuntu seem to working with Hardy [00:05] TeslaTony_: i don't think #kubuntu+1 is a real support channel... [00:06] No one else is in #kubuntu+1 *cires* [00:06] Erm...#ubuntu+1? [00:06] !hardy [00:06] Hardy Heron is the code name for the next release of Ubuntu (8.04-LTS), due April 24, 2008 - For more info, see: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/HardyHeron - CONSIDER IT TO BE BETA SOFTWARE - Discussion and support in #ubuntu+1, NOT #ubuntu === eaen is now known as Wasserstoff [00:06] Yeah. Listen to the bot [00:06] (something is weird with the Wacom on Kubuntu 8.04) [00:11] Roey: I've been wanting to get a wacom tablet. For the most part, how are they on Linux? [00:13] TeslaTony_: they're ok but they're finnicky with the button strip [00:13] but generally ok [00:13] the software is the bigger issue... photoshop can out-do gimp in some important areas [00:14] I lost 3d after running "dpkg-reconfigure xorg-server" The graphics adaptor is the same, just got a new monitor. To get back 3D, can I just change "nv" to "nvdia" in xorg.conf? [00:15] ep: it should work [00:15] thanks [00:17] Roey: I hear that a lot about photoshop. Kinda sad linux still has some deficient areas, although I suppose there isn't anything like paid programmers... [00:19] TeslaTony_: I don't think it relates to that--I think that Photoshop is more connected with a wider audience and in that way stands in a better position to receive comments and criticism from users [00:22] Probably. Something I've found about Linux, though, is that a lot of the programs are from people who do first, but are decent programmers on the side. GIMP probably also suffers from "Okay, how do we be exactly like PhotoShop without getting sued?" [00:22] heh [00:22] well look at Krita then [00:22] but to be honest [00:22] a lot of the stuff seems unpolished sometimes [00:22] KDE 3.5.9 is great--warts and all-- [00:22] but 4.0.2 is honestly unusable (and that's been acknowledged) [00:23] wha? oh, right, n-dash [00:23] KDE 4.0 is the "eat your children" release [00:23] "Keep in mind, you get what you pay for. Linux, however, is an extremely good value for the money" [00:27] Dhraakellian: well yes yes [00:27] TeslaTony_: oh I'm not complaining [00:27] I mean, I am [00:27] but i'm accepting of it [00:28] * TeslaTony_ snerks [00:28] My complaints can't be taken all THAT seriously if I'm using Linux... [00:29] :) [00:29] I'll bbiab [00:29] rebooting [00:45] GIMP probably also suffers from "Okay, how do we be exactly like PhotoShop without getting sued?" [00:45] tell me, have you actually sat down and *used* the GIMP? because apart from having a lot of the same functionality [00:46] it's completely different, and tends to be the example thrown out when people complain that they can't use photoshop (but the gimp's learning curve is too high!) (it actually isn't that bad) [01:05] is there a cmd like "for %a in (*.txt) do unlink %a" in bash ? [01:05] rm *.txt ? [01:06] unlink *.txt does not work [01:06] out of curiosity, why are you using unlink specifically instead of rm? [01:06] i need to do it on a filename per filename basis [01:07] rofl: for n in *.txt; do unlink "$n"; done [01:07] i cant find where to scan for new plugins in konqueror? [01:07] Rageon: Settings->Configure Konqueror->Plugins->[Scan for new plugins] [01:07] because i dont want do delete the existing txt files just the links [01:08] ok [01:08] er [01:08] what do you mean, just the links [01:08] if you delete the only link to that file, you're deleting the file [01:08] Roey is plugins inside the Behavoiur tab or? [01:09] Rageon: Plugins is another entry down that left-hand list [01:09] rofl: do you have files with symlinks to them and you want to delete the symlinks? [01:09] its not there for me :s [01:09] everything but [01:09] no, i have real txt files and some bad links (recursive) [01:09] rofl: then use find , tell it to look for symlilnks and -exec rm -vi {} \; [01:09] Rageon: it should be the second-to-last entry, above "Performance" [01:09] ask in #bash for more specific help though [01:09] in reality, it are DLL files , i made wrong symbolic links into the wine folder [01:10] goes crypto > browser ident > performance for me :s [01:10] but i dont wont to delete the wine dlls [01:11] rofl@rul0r:~/.wine/drive_c/windows/system32$ for n in *.dll; unlink $n [01:11] bash: syntax error near unexpected token `unlink' [01:13] rofl: ; do unlink [01:14] kgoetz: could u pls type the entire command [01:15] i just get a strange > command prompt when using that for command [01:15] rofl: for f in *.dll; do unlink $f; done [01:15] rofl: because teh command isnt completed (eg, hasnt said done yet) [01:16] ah... thx :) [01:16] :) [01:16] just ^C to get rid of the > prompt [01:16] afk a while [01:16] thoreauputic: hey mate [01:19] !kde4 [01:19] KDE 4.0.2 is the latest major release of the K Desktop Environment. KDE 4.0.2 packages can be found at http://kubuntu.org/announcements/kde-4.0.2.php - More information can be found at http://www.kde.org/announcements/announce-4.0.2.php - Support in #kubuntu-kde4 [01:23] can i format a harddrive using the live cd? [01:23] sure [01:23] use QtParted in the CD [01:23] ok thanks [01:25] when i reinstall kubuntu does it format the harddrive before it installs? [01:26] it can as part of the installer [01:27] adude: only if you tell it to === rofl_ is now known as sh4rm4 [01:28] that might be my problem [01:28] i had install the kde4 and had problems with the package manager [01:29] adude, that problem is easy to fix :S [01:29] you have to install one of its dependancies [01:29] then i went back to kubuntu 7.10 and i have the same problem [01:29] eery time i installed kubuntu kde4 i got the same thing [01:29] paste me the error, it tells you what to install (kinda) [01:30] Hiya [01:30] try to run the package manager and tell me what it says (something about packageman or something) [01:30] I'm having some serious mp3 playback issues with amarok [01:30] Namely, I uninstalled certain packages that kept requesting upgrade (Even after they had been upgraded) [01:30] i tells me another process iis using the package database [01:30] but now Amarok can't enable mp3 playback [01:30] oh, thats easy to fix [01:30] i think [01:30] and I'm completely at a loss. [01:31] !aptfix [01:31] If an APT front-end crashed and your database is locked, try this in a !terminal: « sudo fuser -vki /var/lib/dpkg/lock;sudo dpkg --configure -a » [01:31] sudo fuser -vki /var/lib/dpkg/lock;sudo dpkg --configure -a [01:32] libavcodec1d libavutil1d libpostproc1d - these were the packages I removed [01:32] but when I attempt to reinstall them, it complains of multiple unmet dependencies [01:32] and I also attempted to compile ffmpeg from source, but it told me option --enable-vorbis (amongst others) could not be found. [01:34] SteamMachine: you're trying to watch youtube too? ;)_ [01:34] Say what? [01:35] all I hear with ffmpeg is regarding gstreamer and youtube [01:35] hehe [01:35] Ah. [01:35] It seems that the weakest link here is libx264-57. [01:35] I can't install it and it's saying it's referred to but can't be found [01:36] anyone know how you change the default power settings? Apparently the system is set to turn my monitor off every 15 minutes and I dont want that. [01:36] kkathman: right click on desktop and there [01:36] (actually that was removed in Kubuntu...) [01:37] kkathman: System Settings -> Display [01:37] I've tried various methods of repairing this. [01:37] But without certain dependencies... :( [01:37] Jucato: thanks - I was looking for kpowersave but it wasnt running :) [01:38] kkathman: kubuntu uses guidance-power-manager instead [01:39] ahh good to know - I was on SUSE for a while and they use kpowersave, Jucato [01:39] <-- Kubuntu openSUSE ------> === soulrider_ is now known as soulrider === Airforce5555 is now known as Soccer5555 [01:39] libx264-57 - anyone actually EVER used this? [01:39] openSUSe is ok, it has its strengths and weaknesses like every distro I suppose [01:41] but thats offtopic :) [01:41] * Jucato nods [01:43] Also. [01:43] My coffee is cold. [01:45] I did a clean install of 8.04 after an attempted upgrade from 7.10 didn't go so well. I just want to set up my HP Photosmart C5180 printer only to discover that it is no longer in the list. I had no problem installing in 7.10 with out having to ad any extra package. The list of printers listed under HP seems to be only about half as long as it it in 7.10. What's going on? [01:47] Okay. [01:47] I think I've made some progress. [01:47] I still can't get amarok to enable mp3, but now it's only requesting [01:47] The following packages have been kept back: [01:47] libavcodec1d libavutil1d [01:48] Should I force them (some how?) [01:48] How do you add a 2nd drive in VirtualBox? I want to add my 2nd DVD drive, but cannot manage to find a way. [01:48] SteamMachine: this is for Hardy? [01:49] 7.10 [01:49] ahh [01:49] no clue why you'd get those messages [01:49] hrm [01:50] That reminds me, I also have to reinstall/setup VirtualBox. :) [01:52] I seem remember VB is pretty picky about what devices are named in order for them to be recognized, (ie dvd's, etc.) and you have to create link for it to see it just how it wants to see them. [01:53] Nobody else has noticed missing printer definition files in Hardy that were available in 7.10? [01:53] len: try asking in #ubuntu+1 [01:53] len: I want to install a game, but it won't let me swap videos correctly. [01:53] http://po-ru.com/diary/fixing-ffmpeg-on-ubuntu-edgy/ - okay, so it's all going well, except it complains about --enable-vorbis not found [01:54] OK, Too bad there is no kubuntu+1 [01:54] len: That was to be swap DVDs, not videos [01:55] I'd look at my VB setup, but it's gone since the reinstall. I remember cdrom/dvd mounting was a pain though. [02:02] Okay, libfaad-dev - can't be found. [02:02] any fix? [02:04] i have copied and backed up my /home partition but some things seem a bit off like my ff extensions didn't copy and my evolution email client is no longer set up and it acts like i have no mail. [02:04] nonewmsgs: did you copy even the hidden directories and files? [02:04] yes [02:05] hm.. that would be weird... how about ownership and permissions? [02:05] i still have the originals too in a /homeOLD directory and i tried recopying .evolution but it's the same 4kb [02:05] i followed a guide someone linked me to here [02:05] but my bookmarks are gone so i dont remember which one [02:05] i got a new hard drive and i wanted to move my /home [02:06] afaik everything seems to be the same, but wallpaper reset and little things. the only big deal is my email [02:07] but iirc i had to do my evolution email in gnome because it was always like that in K [02:09] home files wont be completely compatible but then most stuff should still work [02:09] but you wouldn't use evolution in kubuntu anyway, or shouldnt [02:09] the new drive mounts at /home [02:10] change it [02:10] you can mount it anywhere [02:10] so umm how can i get my mail [02:11] idc about wallpaper, etc, but my email messages are another story [02:11] nonewmsgs: iirc evolution's mail files are mbox [02:11] and you can import those to kmail [02:11] suweet [02:12] the other way around is harder however (kmail to evolution) [02:12] can i import them to thunderburd [02:12] hmm I think so, yes [02:12] I believe thunderbird does have an mbox import [02:12] hold on im in gnome right now, im going to go back into K [02:14] back [02:16] how can i find mbox [02:16] nonewmsgs: well, on your gnome install you should be able to find your mail files [02:16] does [02:16] how do i remove wine when doin sudo apt-get remove wine it says it not installed but when doin command wine in terminal its works [02:17] most I think have like .mbox suffixes [02:17] The resolution on my laptop is 1280 X 800. When I play games, I need a resolution of 1024 X 768. The problem is, when the resolution is set to 1024 X 768, it streches and blurs the images. Is there a way to center the screen on the screen [02:17] ? [02:17] does 'cat /proc/partitions' efectivly show you all drives on the system that are mountable? [02:17] nonewmsgs: its pretty well documented in google and the forums [02:17] i am supposed to reinstall gnome? [02:17] no [02:18] if you have the files [02:18] or your home directory [02:18] i have a /home that is ~300gb [02:18] is it still on a drive? [02:18] yes and i have a backup of that [02:19] hi, what version of kde4 is on hardy mirrors? [02:19] !hardy [02:19] Hardy Heron is the code name for the next release of Ubuntu (8.04-LTS), due April 24, 2008 - For more info, see: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/HardyHeron - CONSIDER IT TO BE BETA SOFTWARE - Discussion and support in #ubuntu+1, NOT #ubuntu [02:20] nonewmsgs: so you are on a new machine that has kubuntu, but your gnome was on a different drive? [02:20] no it was all on one drive and i copied /home and remounted it on new drive. everything else is still where it was [02:20] hey, does anyone know where i could possibly find a project i could contribute html/css/javascript or php for free? [02:21] on the net i mean? [02:21] is there an option to create a launcher icon in the taskbar, which does not start a single non-kde app, but unfolds a menu ? i know this option as Launcher, from xubuntu [02:21] nonewmsgs: ok.. then you should be able to just drag and drop your mbox files [02:21] i dont see any mbox files [02:21] and i dont know how to use any of the searches [02:21] nonewmsgs: you'll need to enable viewing system files [02:21] i did that part [02:22] nonewmsgs: I forget what directory its in, Its been a while since I used gnome [02:23] nonewmsgs: http://opensource-notebook.com/2007/03/how-to-move-mail-from-evolution-to-kmail/ [02:27] * nonewmsgs crosses fingers [02:29] yay [02:29] it worked [02:29] i tried to do that with thunderbird and it wasn't havnin' none of that [02:29] i was like kmail you know K is my true love and it gave me some sugar [02:29] does anybody no where i could find info for installing lunix on my mp3 player? [02:29] how do i remove wine when doin sudo apt-get remove wine it says it not installed but when doin command wine in terminal its works [02:30] is kmail compareable to thunderbird [02:31] yes [02:31] Was wine installed with apt-get or adept? [02:32] when i open a new session from KDE to gnome how do i switch from GNOME to KDE/ [02:32] when i open a new session from KDE to gnome how do i switch from GNOME to KDE? [02:32] you mean you have 2 X sessions going? [02:32] 1 KDE [02:32] You can use alt-ctrl-F7 and F8 [02:32] one GNONE [02:32] alt and ctrl [02:32] brb [02:32] to get from one X session to another [02:34] What is program to configure sound card?? [02:34] !alsa [02:34] If you're having problems with sound, first ensure ARTS is running, by going to K Menu -> System Settings -> Sound System and making sure "Enable the sound system" is checked. If that fails, see https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Sound - https://help.ubuntu.com/community/SoundTroubleshooting - For playing audio files, see !Players and !MP3 [02:35] Tks [02:43] I can't seem to get lm-sensors working :( [02:43] billyd: it was installed with apt-get [02:43] The resolution on my wide screen laptop is 1280 X 800. When I play games, I need a resolution of 1024 X 768. The problem is, when the resolution is set to 1024 X 768, it stretches and blurs the images. Is there a way to center the visible screen on the actual screen so that the picture isn't stretched? [02:46] !ntfs [02:46] To view your Windows/Mac partitions see https://help.ubuntu.com/community/AutomaticallyMountPartitions - For write access, see /msg ubotu NTFS-3g or /msg ubotu FUSE [02:54] :( looks like I might have to compile a new kernel just to get the sensors working ... I wonder why the coretemp module isn't in the ubuntu kernel? [02:56] hi ... hey i want know how much license of free software are? [02:57] how can i automatically view pictures in kmail [02:57] eddy most free software is free as in free use and in free of cost [02:59] eddy: if you pay for a distro, it's usually just the cost of the physical discs, any hardcopy manuals included in the box, and possibly a support contract too [03:00] the software itself is freely available through a number of methods [03:00] I recall mandriva/mandrake comming with some rather hefty sized books when i last bought it - ages ago. [03:00] :) [03:02] Dr_willis, good evening friend [03:02] yeah, give away the software, sell support services [03:02] Well time for me to go to work. Bye all....... [03:02] yes i know but what kind of licence are? for example GPL, GFDL, LGPL, are others? [03:03] !offtopiv [03:03] Sorry, I don't know anything about offtopiv - try searching on http://ubotu.ubuntu-nl.org/factoids.cgi [03:03] !offtopic [03:03] #kubuntu is the official Kubuntu support channel, for all Kubuntu-related support questions. Please use #kubuntu-offtopic for general chatter. Thanks! [03:03] hehhehheh [03:05] hey i was wondering if there's a way to change the kmenu icon [03:05] Matt1728: Instructions for changing the K menu icon: http://docs.kde.org/development/en/kdebase/faq/panel.html#id2551958 . Alternatively, use kbf [03:06] thanks [03:06] make it start button [ducks] [03:06] lol [03:06] that site doesnt work [03:07] oh waitt [03:07] Matt1728: http://docs.kde.org/kde3/en/kdebase/faq/panel.html#id2552401 [03:08] thanks [03:08] it works now [03:09] kkathman, kmail is working great for me -- thanks [03:27] if i go out and buy an internal tv tuner card, will kubuntu support it? [03:29] surgy, I ahve one and it appears to be recognized by kubuntu, but I haven't taken the time to test it out yet. [03:29] I check Device Manager and there aren't any missing drivers or anything like that. [03:30] well will i actually be able to use it like a dvr? [03:30] how does autodetection of new hardware work in linux? like does someone have to do a search or is it all automatic [03:30] I dunno.. I just started using it last week, haven't plugged it in yet to a cable. I was just saying it had no device conflicts. [03:31] So I imagine if you can find the software for it, you should be okay. [03:31] can someone help me set up Kmail to a Mail.com account [03:33] Matt1728, do you know where there are instructions for a different email client ie outlook? [03:33] rofl [03:33] surgy - It would be better to check with the TV Tuner manufacturer to see if they support linux or not. [03:33] forward the bot to ##F_Y_C [03:34] Claybrain145: yeah right whats the chances of that? [03:34] !kde [03:34] KDE (http://kde.org) is the !desktop environment used natively in !Kubuntu. To install from Ubuntu: « sudo apt-get install kubuntu-desktop », or see http://help.ubuntu.com/community/InstallingKDE . Latest KDE version is 3.5.8 for Gutsy and Feisty, 3.5.6 for Edgy, and 3.5.5 for Dapper. See http://kubuntu.org for more information. [03:34] would be nice to find a little protable usb one [03:34] !kde4 [03:34] KDE 4.0.2 is the latest major release of the K Desktop Environment. KDE 4.0.2 packages can be found at http://kubuntu.org/announcements/kde-4.0.2.php - More information can be found at http://www.kde.org/announcements/announce-4.0.2.php - Support in #kubuntu-kde4 [03:35] how can i crate another partion after i install kubuntu [03:36] eddy you have to use the livecd and gparted or qparted [03:36] plz [03:36] whats the difference [03:36] not much. one is k and one is gmoe [03:36] gnome [03:36] surgy - I did find a couple sites... [03:37] ummm qparted [03:37] I got an MSI TV @nywhere card.. and found a couple sites to help configure it... [03:37] just doing a google search [03:37] eg: [03:37] http://www.linuxquestions.org/questions/linux-hardware-18/cant-get-msi-tvanywhere-to-work-492693/ [03:37] and http://forums.suselinuxsupport.de/lofiversion/index.php/t9880.html [03:38] qparted is k i guest [03:38] so qpartd [03:39] It's not impossible to configure it, as to get it to work as a DVR, I am not 100% sure... [03:39] could never get it to work with a cable box even under windows XP... [03:39] any experts on vid cards here? [03:40] hi. if i have a bash function, is there any way to tell if a parameter that was sent to it was quoted using double or single quotes? for instance, i need to differentiate between `my-fuction "asd"` and `my-fuction 'asd'` [03:40] is the ati all in wonder searies fully supported in kubuntu? [03:42] surgy - http://forums.cnet.com/5208-6617_102-0.html?forumID=11&threadID=220032&messageID=2330592 [03:42] there is also a link in there to the ubuntu forums [03:43] for a related question of configuration [03:43] the qpartedis the same livecd [03:43] ? [03:44] wow, I should shut up. I don't have any real answers, just know how to locate them on this series of tubes I have before me. [03:44] sorry Surgy, ignore my comments. [03:45] lol [03:45] no you help a small amount :) [03:45] kgx not that i know of the parser throws them away after it determines what to do based on double or single quotes [03:46] i just want a tv tunner for my desktop becuase i dont have shelf space for another tv [03:46] but i dislike windows [03:46] jtisme: yeah wouldnt think so. thanks [03:46] eh, I hope it tell you what you need to know. I've had such a bad experience with this TV Tuner card and configuring it against my cable box (had comcast, and now with Verizon)... I just gave up trying to. [03:47] I can get the incoming signal, but I can't change channels with the card. [03:47] hmm [03:47] well i want it to be like a tv and receave all input from the coax, i would be happy with simple analog cable [03:47] maybe I missed something, perhaps there is a way, but i haven't figured it out yet. [03:48] If you can get the incoming signal, and then have the cable box on top, that should be cool... [03:48] lol [03:48] I dunno, about using a DVR in conjunction. [03:48] i dont want to pay $160 for another cable box [03:49] well, I just installed Kubunt last week, and I havne't had too many problems with what I usually do with it... this TV @nywhere card is also an FM Tuner.. about to try to configure that sometime this week... [03:51] surgy - google has always been my best friend in finding information. somehow, Yahoo and ask.com seem to lack in knowing what I'm really asking for with my key words.. google hits it almost every time. [03:51] I would say, if there is a way to do it in Windows, then you should be able to find a way to do it in Linux. [03:52] After a week... I had to install some plug-ins for some different sound formats I work with, but have had no issue with anything else... [03:53] I even saved an open office document as a Windows Office XP-2003 document and sent it to my GF, and she had no trouble opening it. [03:53] what is help in spanish? i don't remember .. https?? [03:54] !es | seba [03:54] seba: Aquí solamente hablamos inglés. Para Español, por favor entre en los canales #ubuntu-es o #kubuntu-es - allí obtendrá más ayuda. [03:54] ok [03:54] Ayuda? [04:07] anyone know where the screen resolution information is stored with kubuntu kde4? i checked in xorg.conf and didn't see any monitor info in it [04:09] it autodetects [04:10] so how can i enable dual monitor support then? [04:11] and how can i tell what video driver the sys is using? [04:11] dunno. i thought it was meant to work it out for itself [04:11] ruben: are you running 7.10 or 8.04? [04:12] 804 [04:12] asked in #ubuntu+1? [04:13] no, just kubuntu-kde4 but no one is answering [04:13] i'd think its a +1 question [04:15] afk [04:19] Hi! is there a panel applet for meta tracker? or is there a better indexing search tool than it? something similar to mac osx spotlight [04:24] ubotu == helpful [04:24] Sorry, I don't know anything about helpful - try searching on http://ubotu.ubuntu-nl.org/factoids.cgi [04:24] And funny too. :P === pramod is now known as Helios [04:27] Hello [04:27] Anyone who uses ubuntu as well as kubuntu here? [04:29] not sure why you'd use both unless you are testing one versus the other [04:29] yeah this is wat i want to do,... :) [04:30] test away then [04:30] to see which is better... [04:30] kde is better - no question [04:30] but gnome can be simplier for the inexperienced user [04:30] but make no mistake - kde is better by far [04:31] well i use kubuntu... [04:31] kubuntu = kde + ubuntu, basically [04:32] well sometimes i find some kinks in kde like it crashes sometimes... [04:32] unusual, usually that can be traced to some user setting [04:32] but there are bugs in everything [04:33] nautilus, as a file manger is terrible, if you are more than a casual user [04:33] yeah.. ok will see to it... never used ubuntu... will try it on the 8.04 version [04:33] wont be much different [04:34] i found it nice and simple compared to kde... [04:34] its still gnome [04:34] and ubuntu can also be changed to kubuntu if am not mistaken... === mike__ is now known as tcpdumpgod [04:35] it can go either way, but upgrading is harder if you have both [04:36] i think i gonna use it in alternate way.. like once ubuntu and the release after kubuntu... [04:37] how can i uninstall a whole package? [04:38] i tried installing Kde4... [04:38] but the kde 4 programs do not seem to be starting when i click on them... [04:38] you're not missing much. [04:39] but as far as changing... if you're using ubuntu, just install kubuntu-desktop and select kde from the session menu at login [04:39] kde4 just isnt ready -I think it wont be ready for some time, to be honest [04:39] i am using kubuntu... [04:39] so this is the beta version? [04:39] and if you're using kubuntu to start, install ubuntu-desktop and same thing, select gnome from the session menu at login [04:39] kkathman: agreed. been using it for a couple of days now and there are some noticible bugs [04:40] well the whole thing keeps getting delayed [04:40] but i will say this, once they fix those issues it will be a heck of an environment [04:40] kde4 is at a final release, but like gnome 2.0, kde 3.0, and most other first releases, it won't be *good* until at least 4.1 [04:40] I did some beta testing and worked with the kde team for a while - they honestly are a bit in disarray [04:40] like kde gnome also has some upgrades? [04:41] gnome is gnome - deficient in major ways - especially their apps [04:41] i think they've thrown a lot of usefull default functionality in it. regarding the team being in disarray...welcome to community based s/w :-) [04:41] name any gnome app and the kde equivalent is clearly superior [04:42] deficient? wat is means... sorry i know that a stupid question... :S [04:42]