[00:00] <saltedlight_> just one more thing... and i'm done today...
[00:00]  * zcat[1] is doing a presentation on the new features in Hardy tonight :)
[00:00] <teamcobra> zcat: nice :D
[00:01] <Silverdawn> Hello, Im trying to get my C-Media CMI8738 working properly under ubuntu linux, For some reason im not getting sound from the central speaker, Yet the card supports 5.1 surround sound and my speakers are a 5.1 system. any ideas?
[00:01] <zcat[1]> 'cos we couldn't organize a real presenter this month for the LUG :)
[00:01] <Silverdawn> ((Sorry about the obvious parts i just c&p'ed from #alsa)
[00:01] <teamcobra> zcat: my company uses hardy for our livecds and server now ;)
[00:01] <saltedlight_> i have the same problem... but my card is AC97 and is 6+1
[00:02] <Zoem> I have a worse problem... I also have the cmedia, but I have no sound at all :)
[00:02] <zcat[1]> I'm inclined to prefer debian for servers still... but usually I don't have time to do it properly end end up just using ubuntu.
[00:02] <zcat[1]> *and
[00:02] <saltedlight_> i have some sound... from the system speaker ~X(
[00:02] <teamcobra> brb
[00:03] <zcat[1]> teamcobra: what company?
[00:03] <teamcobra> heh, my server also has to be usable from a desktop level..... even though it is colocated
[00:03] <teamcobra> smartolive.com , I am right in the middle of redoing everything and launching a _lot_ of services
[00:03] <teamcobra> brb
[00:04] <zcat[1]> Yeah... people get funny about me putting a desktop on servers.. but FFS gdm even if I leave it running uses practically zero resources..
[00:04] <zcat[1]> .. and then I have all the nice GUI tools that I can use with ssh -X or at console
[00:04] <Zoem> zcat[1], I did the same thing... it just makes some things easier
[00:04] <individual_elev> how do i create a live cd of hardy? i have downloaded it and it is in winrar form?
[00:05] <jimiridge> who would rar ubuntu?
[00:05] <saltedlight_> =))
[00:05] <individual_elev> i have downloaded it as a torrent?
[00:05] <saltedlight_> this is a hard one =))
[00:05] <zcat[1]> I'd probably care more if I saw setting up blades at google or somewhere..
[00:05] <Zoem> who would rar an iso?
[00:05] <saltedlight_> is not .rar
[00:05] <zcat[1]> *was
[00:05] <saltedlight_> is .iso
[00:06] <saltedlight_> you have winrar instaled?
[00:06] <individual_elev> yep
[00:06] <eduardo> jimiridge
[00:06] <RAOF> individual_elev: You just need to write that iso to a CD.  It's been too long since I used windows for me to help you there :)
[00:06] <zcat[1]> rawr
[00:06] <jimiridge> hey
[00:06] <eduardo> man
[00:06] <SpartanII117> win rart tries to own iso's , just tell it to opwn with your favorite burner s.w
[00:06] <zcat[1]> !iso
[00:06] <jimiridge> hows your machine holding up
[00:06] <ubotu> To mount an ISO disc image, type « sudo mount -o loop <ISO-filename> <mountpoint> » - There is a list of useful cd image conversion tools at http://wiki.linuxquestions.org/wiki/CD_Image_Conversion - Always verify the ISO using !MD5 before !burning.
[00:06] <eduardo> ive been looking you for ages
[00:06] <zcat[1]> !burning
[00:06] <ubotu> CD/DVD Burning software: K3b (KDE), gnomebaker, serpentine, graveman, Nautilus-CD-Burner, GToaster, xcdroast (GNOME), wodim (terminal-based). Burning .iso files: see https://help.ubuntu.com/community/BurningIsoHowto
[00:06] <eduardo> still not working
[00:06] <individual_elev> ok..so ill just burn the file to a cd?
[00:06] <eduardo> join nixtutor
[00:06] <jimiridge> i've been hiding out in here
[00:06] <Viperfang> Just reformatted, Still get the same error as before : Method "CreateBluetoothSession" with signature "ssb" on interface "org.openobex.Manager" doesn't exist
[00:06] <saltedlight_> individual_elev, wait a moment, i'l help ya
[00:06] <kernco> I'm trying to get DVD playback to work in Kubuntu Hardy, but none of the methods I've used for previous versions seem to work
[00:07] <zcat[1]> yes, burn the iso directly as an ISO, not by putting the ISO file onto a data cd..
[00:07] <saltedlight_> got any cd burning software? i recomand infrarecorder
[00:07] <individual_elev> im using windows right now..i know how to create an iso..
[00:07] <saltedlight_> ok than
[00:08] <individual_elev> so ill just burn it?
[00:08] <saltedlight_> yes
[00:08] <individual_elev> ok..thanks...
[00:08] <saltedlight_> ya should have a "burn cd from image" option or something like
[00:08] <individual_elev> ah ok..ill just look into it..
[00:09] <individual_elev> thanks..
[00:09] <kernco> Is the kubuntu-restricted-extras package not sufficient anymore to get DVD playback to work?
[00:09] <zcat[1]> !medibuntu | kernco You need dvdcss2 probably
[00:09] <ubotu> kernco You need dvdcss2 probably: medibuntu is a repository of packages that cannot be included into the Ubuntu distribution for legal reasons - See http://www.medibuntu.org
[00:09] <Black_Magic> Can someone help em?
[00:09] <Black_Magic> *me
[00:09] <Black_Magic> I cant get this java applet to work it just keeps asking me to install plugin or something
[00:10] <Black_Magic> but if i choose any besides the iced tea one
[00:10] <Black_Magic> it says already installed
[00:10] <Black_Magic>  i already have Java installed.
[00:11] <saltedlight_> i've got similar problem with flash... maybe the plugin is "broken"...
[00:11] <Black_Magic> it used to work before upgrade
[00:12] <Black_Magic> saltedlight_: did you get it from the adobe flash website?
[00:12] <Black_Magic> download that package
[00:12] <saltedlight_> ya.. before find gnash :))
[00:12] <kernco> Thanks, it looks like getting dvdcss2 from medibuntu is going to work.  Didn't dvdcss2 used to be in the normal repositories?
[00:12] <Black_Magic> i need to remove gnash
[00:12] <Black_Magic> its not a real GUI lol
[00:13] <saltedlight_> not need the flash ting all the time.. just on some sites...
[00:13] <mc-george> guys, will the final release of heron come with firefox 3 beta 5 at least?
[00:14] <saltedlight_> i did try fedora 2 days ago... not so diferent 3.5 than 3.4
[00:14] <saltedlight_> maybe something internal only
[00:16] <saltedlight_> tryed fedora 9, wich realy is 8.92 and fas firefox 3.5... got stoked by too many things, and decided to give ubuntu a chance... and i'm not disapointed at all :))
[00:16] <saltedlight_> *fas=has
[00:16] <SilverDawn> I just want my sound to come out right
[00:16] <SilverDawn> =\
[00:18] <teamcobra> augh, I had my kepmap fixed, and it is b0rked again
[00:18] <saltedlight_> did you got sounds before?
[00:18] <teamcobra> ś is not in the usintl keymap ;p
[00:18] <saltedlight_> :))
[00:18] <teamcobra> and scim is disabled.... all ´s are messed up
[00:19] <CarlFK> the alt installer seems to be hung - status screen is just blue, alt2,3,4 are black, with the cursor blinking where is should be, but no text is drawn on the screen
[00:19] <saltedlight_> open a new text document and create a "map" of your keyboard
[00:20] <CarlFK> I did hook up 3T of disk, guessing that has something to do with it
[00:20] <CarlFK> theree is no top command - is there some way to get ps to show what the cpu is doing?
[00:21] <teamcobra> salted: any info on this floating around? (looking myself too)
[00:21] <mc-george> Does anyone know if at least beta 5 of firefox will be shipped with final?
[00:22] <Agrajag-> g'day, after doing a dist-upgrade, gnome doesn't seem to set my keyboard repeat delay setting when i login. i've set it quite short, and when i open keyboard preferences, the setting is still the same, but it doesn't actually change unless i move the slider slightly
[00:22] <ere4si> CarlFK: ps -aux
[00:22] <JohnPhys> Along with mc-george's question, what are the plans for firefox 3 during hardy's lifecycle?  Will we see updates from the beta's to the rc and then teh final release?  Or will the "version" be frozen at what is in the repositories at launch?
[00:23] <saltedlight_> teamcobra, i've lost you... sorry...
[00:23] <teamcobra> itś ok, brb ;p
[00:24] <CarlFK> ere4si: http://dev.personnelware.com/carl/temp/Mar30/c/dhcp120/ps.txt  no change in about 50 min
[00:25] <saltedlight_> i think depends by the mozilla team first... but i also think that we will have updates too not just other distros...
[00:25] <CarlFK> guessing jfsCommit jfsSync ... pdflush on 3T may be the culprit
[00:26] <ere4si> CarlFK: have you been booted into a busybox prompt?
[00:26] <mc-george> do you guys recommend updating to beta?
[00:26] <CarlFK> ere4si: yes
[00:28] <mc-george> Is updating to the beta recommended?
[00:28] <Zoem> hmmm... anyone have suggestions on how to fix sound?
[00:28] <CarlFK> mc-george: not recommended for people who can't read :)
[00:29] <RAOF> mc-george: If you want to help test, yes.  If you want a stable system that you can be nearly guaranteed will work today the same as yesterday, no.
[00:29] <mc-george> what?
[00:29] <JohnPhys> mc-george: I've encountered a few bugs that prevent me from updating to hardy on my main work machines, so it depends on what you do.
[00:29] <mc-george> I just browse the web, download torrents, do word processing
[00:29] <CarlFK> mc-george: then no.
[00:29] <mc-george> ok
[00:30] <teamcobra> hmm, I guess console-data wasn't installed on my system
[00:30] <teamcobra> works fine now ;p
[00:30] <volkodav> црфе игпы цуку ерун?
[00:30] <volkodav> what bugs were they?
[00:30] <mc-george> carlfk: are there major problems I would encounter?
[00:30] <teamcobra> the apostrophe in the us-intl keymap was messed up, and it was putting accents over letters instead of apostrophes
[00:31] <Zoem> mc-george, so far I have had a bad kernel install, lost video drivers, lost sound (still not back)
[00:31] <mc-george> oh, thats not good
[00:31] <mc-george> even on beta?
[00:31] <Zoem> yep
[00:32] <Zoem> upgraded from 7.10 about 2 hours ago
[00:32] <CarlFK> mc-george: "report bugs" was not on your list of things you do, so you should not touch it
[00:32] <mc-george> ok
[00:32] <Zoem> also, I didn't see "build from source" there either ;)
[00:32] <mc-george> hehe
[00:32] <ere4si> CarlFK: if you are booting into the 386 kernel you have the same prob I had - use the generic kernel
[00:33] <thebishop> hello
[00:33] <thebishop> the hardy beta is very sluggish for me.  MP3s don't even play smoothly
[00:33] <CarlFK> ere4si: the alt installer has kernel choices?
[00:34] <Zoem> so, concerning bugs...  that no sound thing... lspci reports I have nvidia MP55 hi def audio device, I am running 24-12-generic with initramfs properly configured
[00:34] <ere4si> CarlFK: I mean at the grub prompt
[00:34] <Zoem> now the google-sphere isn't giving anymore suggestions... anyone else have ideas how to get sound up?
[00:34] <ere4si> CarlFK: after install
[00:34] <CarlFK> ere4si: I am still in the installer.
[00:35] <ere4si> CarlFK: not installed then?
[00:36] <CarlFK> ere4si: i setup the partitions, mount points... hit "OK" and it did the "formating ext3..." that screen went away, and (I wasn't watching) i get the feeling it hasn't moved onto the next step (installing base system)
[00:37] <ere4si> CarlFK: it seems that way but wait a bit - how good is the sys?
[00:37] <CarlFK> ere4si: good?  sys?
[00:37] <ere4si> CarlFK: I walked away for an hour or so :) - cpu  + mem...
[00:38] <filosofixit> I am trying to get my webcam to work. Both ov51x_jpeg and videodev modules are loading just fine, but the /dev/video(x) entrys seems to be missing. Anybody who got a clue what is wrong?
[00:38] <CarlFK> ere4si: I took a shower :).  p3-700, 256*3 ram
[00:39] <CarlFK> 256*3=7something...
[00:39] <ere4si> CarlFK: how long has it been doing nothing?
[00:40] <ere4si> 50 + min ...
[00:40] <CarlFK> just over an hour
[00:40] <stefg> !webcam | filosofixit
[00:40] <ubotu> filosofixit: Instructions for using webcams with Ubuntu can be found at https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Webcam - Supported cams: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/HardwareSupportComponentsMultimediaWebCameras
[00:40] <CarlFK> this 'hangs':  ls /target/
[00:40] <ere4si> CarlFK: did md5 the disk?
[00:41] <ere4si> *you
[00:41] <filosofixit> stefg : no clues there I'm afraid... worked like a charm in gutsy..
[00:42] <CarlFK> ere4si: im pulling the files over the net, which I think has error detection built in
[00:42] <saltedlight_> CarlFK, or at least did a media check? since you allready started...
[00:42] <saltedlight_> oh...
[00:43] <ere4si> CarlFK: using the minimal cd ? - that can hang for ages - wait a good while longer :)
[00:44] <CarlFK> ere4si: there is no CD - pxe boot the installer kernel, preseed file hits a local mirror.  haven't had to touch install media in years :)
[00:44] <stefg> filosofixit: any hints in dmesg ?
[00:44] <ere4si> k
[00:45] <CarlFK> ere4si: I wrote this: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Installation/LocalNet#head-52c4d21520b498e09fe97a2eed47bd4942c35295
[00:46] <CarlFK> which is pretty crappy as far as writing goes, but I'v been doing this for about 2 years, and generally can tell when I have screwed myself :)
[00:46] <Zoem> question: what does "[  217.868457] gnome-alsamixer[7249]: segfault at 00000000 eip 0804db54 esp bfe83e00 error 4" in dmesg mean?
[00:47] <filosofixit> stefg : of course it does... sorry to bother you guys.
[00:47] <CarlFK> I am guessing I have to restart and not touch the 3t raid I setup, make sure that flys, then try again with it
[00:48] <filosofixit> stefg :  it does not detect the sensor slave ID...
[00:49] <filosofixit> ov51x: probe of 1-7.1:1.0 failed with error -5
[00:50]  * saltedlight_ bye. thanks. etc. have fun. :)
[00:51] <bluefoxx> back from the flea market, now back to my issue. it appears sudo is broken on my system, any help?
[00:52] <CarlFK> bluefoxx: any idea how it broke?
[00:52] <bluefoxx> kuil: BTW, indeed i do use compiz
[00:52] <bluefoxx> CarlFK: nope.\
[00:52] <bluefoxx> i just get "su: could not resolve host azUre-prIDE"
[00:53] <stefg> filosofixit: regression reporting time on launchpad, i'd guess
[00:53] <bluefoxx> i can get gksu to work sometimes, but no sudo or su. i can't even set a root password
[00:53] <stefg> !bug | filosofixit
[00:53] <ubotu> filosofixit: If you find a bug in Ubuntu or any of its derivatives, please file a bug report at: http://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu  -  Bugs in/wishes for the bots can be filed at http://launchpad.net/ubuntu-bots
[00:54] <bluefoxx> bluefoxx@azUre-prIDE:~$ sudo pwd root
[00:54] <bluefoxx> sudo: unable to resolve host azUre-prIDE
[00:54] <bluefoxx> bluefoxx@azUre-prIDE:~$
[00:54] <kgoetz> you broke your hostname :)
[00:54] <bluefoxx> kgoetz: how do i fix that?
[00:55] <bluefoxx> kgoetz: and is taht a hard thing to do?
[00:55] <filosofixit> stefg : will do so now.... thx for the help...
[00:55] <kgoetz> bluefoxx: try rebooting in resue/single user mode and making sure your /etc/hosts and /etc/hostname file match up
[00:55] <kgoetz> bluefoxx: its not overly hard if your familar with a console.
[00:55] <stefg> man hostname
[00:56] <bluefoxx> kgoetz: kk, give me a few minutes to download and instal irssi then i shall bot into recovery mode :)
[00:57] <kgoetz> bluefoxx: np. before you do, could you pastebin those two files?
[00:57] <bluefoxx> kgoetz: ok, one sec
[00:58] <alex-weej_> is flash audio broken for anyone else?
[00:58] <alex-weej_> with pulseaudio?
[00:58] <alex-weej_> it was working fine
[00:58] <Wisteso> do you have two sound cards?
[00:58] <alex-weej_> Wisteso: yes
[00:58] <Rohaq> hey, are there any known network issues? I'm using xubuntu, and I can't get anything over 20KB/s, either wireless or wired
[00:58] <Wisteso> k, I don't know *why* but I had some problems with any architecture when I had two cards
[00:58] <Rohaq> and my wireless signal keeps fluctuating
[00:58] <alex-weej_> it just slows my browser a lot and i can see its client coming and going sporadically in the PAmanager
[00:59] <Wisteso> with flash audio
[00:59] <alex-weej_> Wisteso: no it's fine with just ALSA normally
[00:59] <alex-weej_> i just have to set the default card
[00:59] <alex-weej_> but now, it won't connect to pulse properly
[00:59] <Wisteso> ah..  hm different problem then
[01:00] <bluefoxx> kgoetz: http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/61691/
[01:01] <RolandoVII> howdy, does anyone here use miro?
[01:01] <kgoetz> bluefoxx: loading :)
[01:01] <bluefoxx> kgoetz: dialup or dialup-esk connection? >D
[01:01] <kgoetz> bluefoxx: so your network name and hostname are the same?
[01:02] <kgoetz> bluefoxx: multiple people using hte link :) (so pro bably dial up speed each
[01:03] <bluefoxx> idk, im still teaching myself about networking. i  use bluefoxx as my general screenname and some variation of azure-pride for computer names[kubuntu comp wil be kazUre-prIDE, so forth]
[01:04] <kgoetz> bluefoxx: so you dont havce a domain setup at home?
[01:05] <kgoetz> see in /etc/hosts on hte 127.0.1.1 line theres name.name? remove the .name and hopfully you'll be able to break your network again later :)
[01:05] <bluefoxx> kgoetz: err, no. i ditched the router cause it kept reseting the connection during downloads
[01:05] <Rohaq> take it that means that no-one knows of any issues that might be limiting my network speed?
[01:06] <kgoetz> Rohaq: if both are slow tis probably upstr4eam problem
[01:06] <ere4si> Rohaq: is it a torrent?
[01:06] <Rohaq> nope
[01:06] <ere4si> k
[01:06] <Rohaq> just general network speeds
[01:06] <bluefoxx> kgoetz: kk, gonna retry su pwd root
[01:07] <Rohaq> wireless and wired
[01:07] <Rohaq> and wireless signal is fluctuating
[01:07] <bluefoxx> bluefoxx@azUre-prIDE:~$ sudo pwd root
[01:07] <bluefoxx> pwd: ignoring non-option arguments
[01:07] <bluefoxx> /home/bluefoxx
[01:07] <bluefoxx> bluefoxx@azUre-prIDE:~$
[01:07] <bthankins> rohaq, do you get 20k going from computer to computer?
[01:07] <macsim> hi, anybody has install hardy heron with all the FS in reiserfs ?
[01:07] <Rohaq> can't test that, sadly
[01:07] <bthankins> Or to the internet.
[01:07] <kgoetz> bluefoxx: you want to set roots password? try 'sudo passwd root'
[01:08] <bthankins> ah
[01:08] <Rohaq> but no other machines are having the same problem
[01:08] <bluefoxx> kgoetz: kk, tyvm ^
[01:08] <Rohaq> and it's only been since my upgrade to hardy
[01:08] <bluefoxx> sudo: paswd: command not found
[01:08] <bluefoxx> >
[01:08] <bluefoxx> ><*
[01:09] <bluefoxx> eh well, sudo works again. thanks kgoetz!^^
[01:10] <kgoetz> bluefoxx: passwd (2 s's)
[01:10] <kgoetz> bluefoxx: cool :D
[01:11] <Luckrider> hey, how do I set up Ubuntu to automaticly run commands upon startup?
[01:11] <Luckrider> in prefered applications, I can only use 2 custom commands
[01:11] <robinson> running kubuntu hardy beta. Knetworkmanager is not starting at startup, although it is checked in the sttings to startup automatically. What have i done wrong here?
[01:11] <kgoetz> what stagfe of start up?
[01:11] <bluefoxx> kgoetz: XD, my bad. i have bounce keys on cause when i was playing games in wine they were locking up
[01:12] <kgoetz> bluefoxx: hehehe.
[01:14] <bluefoxx> half life has me paranoid now << i check abouve every doorway for barnicals and avoid dirt cause of headcrabs now XD. speaking of which, i think i will go play that now lol
[01:14] <Jordan_U> Is it possible to calibrate the SMS in my laptop? I am trying to play neverball but it just keeps going backwards :)
[01:18] <Luckrider> does anyone know how to set up Ubuntu to run apps automatically upon login?
[01:18] <Luckrider> help is appreciated
[01:18] <Luckrider> does anyone know how to set up Ubuntu to run apps automatically upon login?
[01:18] <tgm4883_laptop> Luckrider, you can add it in sessions
[01:19] <Luckrider> thanks
[01:19] <tgm4883_laptop> System > Preferences > Sessions
[01:19] <Luckrider> didn't even think to check there
[01:19] <Luckrider> yeah
[01:19] <Luckrider> oh, duh
[01:19] <Luckrider> I never thought that that was what it is
[01:20] <Zoem> >bthankins< You have been banned
[01:20] <Zoem>    from #ubuntu+1 for multiple parts. This will expire
[01:20] <Zoem>    in 5 minutes <--- ????
[01:20] <LjL> Zoem: uh?
[01:20] <Zoem> I just got that message
[01:21] <Zoem> no +b on me, last part I did was 25 minutes before rejoining...
[01:21] <LjL> that's a new one
[01:21] <Zoem> oh shoot
[01:21] <LjL> Zoem, please just ignore it, i'll ask the fellow next time they're online
[01:21] <Zoem> call me an idiot
[01:21] <LjL> why would i
[01:21] <Zoem> I just realized... that was my script
[01:22] <LjL> ah.
[01:22] <LjL> Zoem: so does that mean *you* have sent that message to bthankins?
[01:22] <Luckrider> tgm4883_laptop
[01:22] <Luckrider> do
[01:22] <Zoem> yes, yes it does D:
[01:22] <Luckrider> you knpow how to run commands
[01:22] <LjL> Zoem: please disable that then
[01:22] <Zoem> I shall
[01:22] <tgm4883_laptop> Luckrider, what do you want to run?
[01:22] <Luckrider> um
[01:22] <Luckrider> like
[01:22] <kindofabuzz> if i upgrade to hardy from gutsy will it updates still work when next beta comes out and final?  or will i hvae to reinstall?
[01:22] <tgm4883_laptop> you could stick it in a bash script
[01:23] <Luckrider> emerald --replace
[01:23] <Luckrider> stuff like that
[01:23] <Luckrider> they are not actually app
[01:23] <Luckrider> *applications
[01:23] <tgm4883_laptop> oh i've added stuff like that before to sessions.  I think anyway
[01:23] <Luckrider> oh
[01:23] <tgm4883_laptop> otherwise, make a bash script
[01:24] <Luckrider> in prefered applications you can add two custom commands
[01:24] <Luckrider> I was wondering if there was a way to make more
[01:24] <tgm4883_laptop> Luckrider, do you know how to make a bash script?
[01:24] <Luckrider> besides bash script (I am a total noob at that)
[01:24] <jimiridge> dangit audacity is being evil
[01:24] <tgm4883_laptop> Luckrider, it's pretty easy
[01:24] <Luckrider> is it
[01:25] <tgm4883_laptop> yea
[01:25] <tgm4883_laptop> sec
[01:25] <Luckrider> i guess I need to look it up
[01:25] <tgm4883_laptop> make a new file
[01:25] <Luckrider> what kind?
[01:25] <Zoem> so... is this the right place to ask a pulse-audio question? I'm on hardy beta right now
[01:25] <kindofabuzz> if i upgrade to hardy from gutsy will updates still work when next beta comes out and when final comes out??  or will i hvae to reinstall?
[01:25] <Luckrider> (like I said total noob) tgm4883_laptop
[01:25] <tgm4883_laptop> Luckrider, sec
[01:25] <Luckrider> ok
[01:26] <tgm4883_laptop> Luckrider, http://floppix.ccai.com/scripts1.html
[01:26] <Luckrider> ok
[01:26] <tgm4883_laptop> those are some pretty simple examples
[01:26] <Luckrider> thanks
[01:26] <kindofabuzz> soo no one knows?
[01:26] <tgm4883_laptop> just open up gedit and do it
[01:26] <Luckrider> ok
[01:26] <Luckrider> thanks very much
[01:26] <Luckrider> I like to learn new things
[01:26] <tgm4883_laptop> kindofabuzz, if you keep updating you will have the new versions of things
[01:27] <kindofabuzz> tgm4883_laptop: so it will still let me know,say, when final comes out and upgrade to final?
[01:28] <tgm4883_laptop> kindofabuzz, it will tell you new packages are available, and you can update them
[01:28] <kindofabuzz> i get that, but will that work when it's final? sorry, just wanna be sure
[01:29] <tgm4883_laptop> you should be able to update to final no problem
[01:31] <kindofabuzz> right on, thanks buddie
[01:33] <Zoem> how do I add sinks to pulse audio?
[01:33] <owen1> how to add a partition during the installation (side by side with windows, so i choose manual)?
[01:34] <Zoem> you have windows installed already?
[01:34] <owen1> Zoem: yes, vista
[01:35] <Zoem> you have a partition for the linux already, or were you planning on resizing an already existing one?
[01:35] <owen1> i want to resize existing one.
[01:35] <Zoem> oh
[01:35] <Zoem> hmmm
[01:35] <owen1> Zoem: can i do it during the installation?
[01:36] <owen1> Zoem: if not, guide me for duing it before.
[01:36] <Zoem> I believe you can...? but I haven't actually installed ubuntu in a very long time, so I don't remember
[01:36] <Zoem> and I'm not really familiar with the process. sorry :/
[01:37] <owen1> Zoem: i don't see 'add partition' in the installation process.
[01:37] <Zoem> hmmm
[01:37] <Zoem> are you installing from a live-cd?
[01:38] <owen1> Zoem: i only have edit partition. which will remove the current one...
[01:38] <owen1> Zoem: yes
[01:39] <Zoem> which version are you installing?
[01:40] <owen1> Zoem: 8.04 beta
[01:40] <Zoem> oh
[01:40] <Zoem> have you installed ubuntu before?
[01:41] <owen1> yes. but not this machine and not beta.
[01:41] <Zoem> ok... I'm trying to see if 8.04 has the partition manager on the live cd
[01:42] <Zoem> which is difficult since I don't have one
[01:42] <Zoem> if it is, you can use that... otherwise you will need to do it through windows
[01:42] <Luckrider> owenl if you want to install with a partition, you will have to delete Vista
[01:42] <Luckrider> then you can reinstall it
[01:43] <owen1> Luckrider: ??? really?
[01:43] <Luckrider> yeah
[01:43] <owen1> Luckrider: why?
[01:43] <Luckrider> you can't re-size partitions
[01:43] <Luckrider> it has to erase the artition to creat a new
[01:43] <Zoem> well.. you can... but it runs a pretty good chance of destroying data
[01:43] <Luckrider> one
[01:43] <Luckrider> yeah
[01:43] <owen1> Luckrider: is it 8.04 issue?
[01:43] <Luckrider> it isn't worth the risk
[01:43] <Luckrider> no
[01:43] <Zoem> this is a hard drive ToC issue
[01:44] <Luckrider> it is just a faact of partitions
[01:44] <Luckrider> if you can
[01:44] <Luckrider> back up the vista partition
[01:44] <Luckrider> then split the hdd
[01:44] <owen1> Luckrider: but i did it for my old win machine in the past.
[01:44] <Luckrider> it is possible like zoem said
[01:44] <Luckrider> but
[01:44] <Luckrider> it risks damage to data
[01:45] <Luckrider> I wouldn't recomend it
[01:45] <Consty> I'm having a weird problem with sun-java-6. When I attempt to load web start files in a browser or stand-alone, all Java does is open the cache viewer
[01:45] <Luckrider> plus I have never done it before so you would want to ask someone who has
[01:46] <owen1> Luckrider: let me understand the steps you recommend: 1.delete vista
[01:46] <Zoem> I did it through xp... and bricked a drive
[01:46] <Luckrider> no
[01:46] <Luckrider> 1. back up vista
[01:46] <owen1> Luckrider: ok
[01:46] <Luckrider> 2. partiton hdd (this will delete it)
[01:47] <Luckrider> 3. Install one of the operating systems with a bootloader so you can switch between partitions
[01:47] <Luckrider> 4. install second os
[01:47] <Luckrider> 5. enjoy
[01:47] <Opu1> "brick" usually means unusable afterward. If you can reinstall, it's not a brick.
[01:47] <Zoem> yes, it was unusable afterwards
[01:48] <Luckrider> that sucks
[01:48] <owen1> Luckrider: so step 3 can be ubuntu and 4 can be the vista?
[01:48] <Luckrider> I am pretty sure
[01:48] <Zoem> owen1, just to make it easy, it is recommended you install the windows first
[01:48] <Luckrider> hol on let me do some investigatng
[01:48] <owen1> Zoem: ok
[01:48] <Luckrider> that is probly best
[01:49] <Zoem> the windows bootloader hates sharing... so you install linux second, and the linux bootloader over-writes the windows one
[01:49] <owen1> Luckrider: Zoem : how many partitions do i need in step 2? 1 for win and 3 for ubuntu?
[01:50] <Zoem> 1 for windows, 2 for ubuntu
[01:50] <Luckrider> yeah
[01:50] <owen1> Zoem: swap and ext3?
[01:50] <Zoem> yes
[01:50] <owen1> Zoem: swap
[01:50] <Zoem> ?
[01:51] <owen1> Zoem: swap around 1 g and ext3 is whatever?
[01:51] <owen1> Zoem: 1 gb
[01:51] <Zoem> pretty much. I think my swap is a bit bigger
[01:51] <SilverDawn> Anyone know of the fix for firefox freezing with flash? i found it a while back but now i cant, it was some export line to add to the firefox start script...
[01:51] <Zoem> SilverDawn, switch to opera :P
[01:52] <Zoem> SilverDawn, sorry... I've had the same problem since 6.10
[01:52] <owen1> Luckrider: Zoem : so all the guides about dual-boot are risky? that's crazy...
[01:52] <SilverDawn> I found a fix for it though....
[01:52] <Armagguedes> hello
[01:52] <SilverDawn> Its some export command
[01:52] <Armagguedes> my firefox3b4 is quite slow
[01:52] <Zoem> owen1, resizing a partition is a risk, period
[01:52] <Armagguedes> any ideas why?
[01:52] <kgoetz> Zoem: no, grub does not overwrite hte MS bootloader
[01:52] <Armagguedes> i'm not talking about connection issues here, mind u
[01:52] <Luckrider> yeah, it is the re-size
[01:52] <kgoetz> it overwrites teh boot sector
[01:53] <Luckrider> not dual boot
[01:53] <Armagguedes> the whole thing is half-unresponsive
[01:53] <Zoem> kgoetz, is that a change? last time I installed from disk was 7.04, and it certainly did then
[01:53] <Zoem> oh, point made
[01:54] <Zoem> it does overwrite the boot sector, pointing to the new, smarter boot loader
[01:54] <owen1> Luckrider: i mean installing ubuntu on existing windows without repartition from scratch.
[01:54] <Zoem> my bad for being conceptually lazy
[01:54] <Luckrider> oh, yeah
[01:54] <owen1> Luckrider: thanks for the great insight..
[01:54] <Luckrider> np
[01:54] <Zoem> hmmm
[01:55] <Luckrider> see, I get help from here, so I like to give back
[01:55] <owen1> Luckrider: are u part of canonical?
[01:55] <Luckrider> btw, I think gag might be a good bootloader for you
[01:55] <Zoem> question: would it be more effective for me to just reinstall 8.04 beta from disk than to try to fix sound as it is?
[01:55] <Luckrider> no
[01:56] <Luckrider> owenl gag goes right on a partiton, and it is graphical
[01:56] <Jordan_U> Zoem, What is wrong with your sound?
[01:56] <Luckrider> Zoem, have you tried checking the drivers
[01:56] <Luckrider> when i first installed it was a restricted driver for me
[01:56] <Luckrider> so
[01:56] <Zoem> Jordan_U, pulse audio doesn't include my hardware
[01:56] <Luckrider> I fixed it in like two seconds
[01:56] <owen1> Luckrider: gag is an app for partitioning my hd?
[01:56] <SilverDawn> Zoem, i would use opera if i could
[01:56] <Luckrider> no
[01:56] <SilverDawn> =\
[01:57] <Luckrider> Gag is a graphical bootloader owenl
[01:57] <Zoem> Luckrider, Nforce MP55 shows up in lspci, I thought that meant drivers were good
[01:57] <SilverDawn> But its not in the mirrors and im not a fan of leaving untracked packages on my system
[01:57] <Luckrider> oh
[01:57] <Luckrider> I don't know
[01:57] <Jordan_U> Zoem, What do you mean by "Doesn't include"? Are you sure Pulseaudio is the problem and it's not that ALSA is not seeing your hardware?
[01:57] <Zoem> Jordan_U, this is highly possible
[01:57] <Random> Zoem: just because it shows up in lspci, doesn't mean that a driver it loaded
[01:57] <SilverDawn> check alsamixer
[01:58] <owen1> Luckrider: i should install it BEFORE the ubuntu installation?
[01:58] <Luckrider> I am not sure, I think it goes with the first installation owenl
[01:58] <Luckrider> let me see
[01:58] <len> I did a clean install of Kubuntu 8.04 after an attempted upgrade from 7.10 didn't go so well.  I just went to set up my HP Photosmart C5180 printer, only to discover that it is no longer in the printer list.  I had no problem installing in 7.10 without having to add any extra packages.  The HP printers list seems to be only about half as long as it is in 7.10.  What's going on?
[01:58] <SpudDogg> Does anyone know of a fix for hardy and wpa with an ipw3945?
[01:58] <Jordan_U> Zoem, Like SilverDawn said check 'alsamixer' ( it's a terminal based hardware mixer ) and also 'asoundconf list'
[01:58] <Luckrider> owenl
[01:58] <owen1> Luckrider: isn't it the same as grub?
[01:59] <Luckrider> looke here
[01:59] <Zoem> Random, how do I check for installed driver?
[01:59] <Luckrider> http://gag.sourceforge.net/
[01:59] <Luckrider> check that owenl
[01:59] <Jordan_U> len, What happens when you plug the printer in?
[01:59] <Luckrider> that might help a little
[01:59] <SilverDawn> God i wish i could get flash working right
[01:59] <Zoem> alsamixer: Card: PulseAudio Chip: PulseAudio
[01:59] <SilverDawn> Then its not detected
[01:59] <len> I'm connecting via the network, not using usb.
[02:00] <SilverDawn> Zoem, say... if you had a cmedia card it would look like so:
[02:00] <SilverDawn> │ Card: C-Media CMI8738                                                        │
[02:00] <SilverDawn> │ Chip: CMedia PCI
[02:00] <SilverDawn> Not just say pulse audio
[02:00] <larson9999> i switched to arch a while back because i couldn't keep gutsy from locking up on me(at least once a day).  but i couldn't resist trying hardy.  so i put it on one of my main laptop.  i've had it running about a week now and it's only locked up twice.  i'm hoping that's due to it being beta and not that whatever wasn't agreeing with it and gutsy is still around.
[02:00] <Zoem> which is funny... since on windows I do have that card :)
[02:00] <SilverDawn> Pulse is a service. not a peice of hardware that ubuntu puts into your system ;)
[02:00] <Zoem> SilverDawn, how do I get the driver loaded then?
[02:00] <len> I choose scan, and it finds the printer just find, but when I'm asked to choose the printer model, it is no longer in the list like it is in 7.10
[02:01] <SilverDawn> Zoem, what card
[02:01] <Zoem> SilverDawn, c-media onboard... fairly certain it's the CMI8738
[02:02] <larson9999> SilverDawn, flash seems reasonably stable here.
[02:02] <SilverDawn> Are there any others in the box?
[02:02] <SilverDawn> larson9999, are you using the opensource one or adobes
[02:02] <owen1> Luckrider: thanks. so i can install it after i install windows but before ubuntu?
[02:02] <Zoem> SilverDawn, no, just the onboard
[02:02] <SilverDawn> Hmmmmm k
[02:02] <Luckrider> I think so
[02:02] <SilverDawn> go to.......
[02:02] <Luckrider> brb
[02:02] <larson9999> SilverDawn, to me flash means adobe.
[02:03] <Luckrider> got to go feed the dog
[02:03] <SilverDawn> System > prefs > sound
[02:03] <SilverDawn> And tell me what you have set as your default mixer device
[02:03] <SilverDawn> (bottom option)
[02:03] <larson9999> SilverDawn, apparently some say gnash is working better now.  but i gave it ago and that doesn't seem to be the case here.
[02:04] <Zoem> Playback: RTP Multicast Sink (PulseAudio Mixer)
[02:04] <SilverDawn> wtf
[02:04] <SilverDawn> Your not looking where i asked cuz theres nothing that says 'playback' where i told you to look
[02:04] <Zoem> that is in the default mixer tracks device section
[02:04] <SilverDawn> wow
[02:05] <SilverDawn> What the hell
[02:05] <Zoem> yeah
[02:06] <Jordan_U> Zoem, SilverDawn This is the way that Fedora set up things with Pulseaudio, I was surprised that Ubuntu hadn't ( on my machine ) but possibly they have and my machine is the result of a bug
[02:06] <Luckrider> ok
[02:06] <Zoem> Jordan_U, so... what do I do to make it work?
[02:06] <Luckrider> back
[02:06] <Jordan_U> Zoem, SilverDawn It's part of making all applications ( including ones that try to use ALSA directly ) go  through pulseaudio
[02:06] <hansin> Does anyone know how I can force Xorg to use the 'intel' driver vs. the 'i810' driver?  It auto-configures to the 'i810' driver, but I hear 'intel' is better.  I added "Driver   'intel'" to my xorg.conf.  Thanks.
[02:07] <larson9999> hansin, i'd assuming black listing the one you don't want to load would do it.
[02:08] <Jordan_U> Zoem, That's the problem, it confused the hell out of my on Fedora and does here too :) You could try ( as a hack, I am sure there is an official way ) removing pulseaudio, getting your sound working without it then re-installing pulseaudio
[02:08] <Zoem> hmmm
[02:08] <hansin> larson9999: Good idea.  Thanks.
[02:08] <SpudDogg> Does anyone know of a fix for hardy and wpa with an ipw3945?
[02:10]  * Zoem is seriously considering a fresh install now
[02:13] <Zoem> oh, nvm
[02:13] <Zoem> they don't have alternate install dvds anyore
[02:13] <Dabiged> Hey Y'all, Was wondering I could get some help setting up a WG311v3 wireless card on Hardy
[02:15] <Jordan_U> Dabiged, Have you tried System -> Administration -> Hardware Drivers?
[02:19] <Zoem> wheee
[02:19] <Zoem> still broken
[02:20] <len> Is anyone using a HP photosmart printer with Kubuntu 8.10?  Most of the models are missing from the PPD list in 8.10.
[02:21] <Jordan_U> len, What happens when you plug the printer in?
[02:21] <len> Nothing, because it is not connected via USB.  I connect via the network.
[02:22] <len> And it has no problem locating it on the network either.
[02:22] <Jordan_U> ahh
[02:22] <len> It's just that my model is no longer listed in the list of printers presented when you're asked to choose your printer.
[02:22] <romulo> hi, what is the version of kde4 in hardy?
[02:23] <len> most of the photosmart printers are missing now, except for a handful of really old ones.  They were all there in  7.10.
[02:23] <len> 3.5.9
[02:24] <romulo> len, thats for kde?
[02:25] <Zoem> ok, now I have uninstalled pulse audio, and no longer have any sound devices, apperently
[02:25] <len> I checked, and foomatic-db-hpijs is installed.  hpjis (non-foomatic) wasn't though, so I installed that, but it didn't add any more definitions to the list.
[02:25] <len> Yes, KDE3.5.9
[02:25] <techqbert> what ff will ship with 8.04 when it goes stable?  3.0b4?
[02:25] <Jordan_U> Zoem, What is the output of "asoundconf list" ?
[02:26] <Zoem> no output
[02:26] <Jordan_U> :(
[02:26] <Zoem> yeah :(
[02:26] <thepyronaut> Is there a problem with Hardy slowing down over time? Its happening to me and its driving me nuts
[02:27] <len> Where can I get the proper ppd file to install via "other" since it's missing from the list in Hardy now?
[02:27] <Dr_willis> len,  try cups.org ?
[02:27] <Dr_willis> len,  i recallon some printers there was some extra printer driver files not installed by default also.
[02:28] <Jordan_U> len, Do you know the name of the ppd file?
[02:28] <Jordan_U> len, If so you can try apt-file search
[02:28] <romulo> thepyronaut, try to check if its acpi, it hapenned to me
[02:28] <thepyronaut> How do I do that?
[02:29] <len> No, but the printer is an HP Photosmart C5180, and it uses the jpijs driver, so it would be a definition file for that.
[02:30] <Jordan_U> len, Possibly  hpijs-ppds
[02:30] <Jordan_U> len, ( the package )
[02:31] <Dr_willis> waswent there a hpijs or hpoj service /package that was needed for some hp printers?
[02:31] <len> I already had the foomatic version of that installed, and I just added the non-foo hpijs-ppds package, but it didn't show up after installing that.
[02:32] <Jordan_U> len, If installing that package get's your printer to work you may want to file a bug to the effect that if certain PPDs aren't shipped by default for space ( or whatever reason ) the auto-detection should still suggest that they be installed
[02:33] <Zoem> so....
[02:33] <Zoem> how do I get stuff into my asoundconf list?
[02:35] <len> Well perhaps they were trying to be a bit too clever for there own good thinking that they'd only auto install ppd's for photosmart when the printers are auto-detected when plugged in via usb, forgetting that that's not the only way people access them.  Quite a few of the photosmarts are networkable and not necessesarily directly into the computer to be autodetected.
[02:35] <len> *their
[02:36] <Dr_willis> i recall some other linux disrtos actually having a 'set up printers' wizard during the install..
[02:37] <Dr_willis> I will admit that i plyg in my laserjet6l and it figures it out faster under ubuntu, then it does under windows. :)
[02:37] <Dr_willis> other ubuntu box's on the lan see and start using the printer also. with little tweaking by me
[02:37] <len> The KDE add printer wizard actually works quite well.  It's just that my printer is not in the list anymore.
[02:37] <len> ie. missing ppd files for most photosmart printers.
[02:38] <zcat[1]> Dr_willis: I wish that would work with my brother mfc3100c though
[02:39] <zcat[1]> Dr_willis: funny thing though, my Deskjet, set up on a completely different machine, started showing up here all by itself. I never installed anything. I blame avahi!
[02:39] <len> I remember that setting up kubuntu 7.10 to printer on the c5180 literally took less than 1 minute and was a pain in Windows.
[02:39] <len> That's why I'm so surprised now.
[02:40] <zcat[1]> len: Most printers that are well supported, you plug it in and ten or 15 seconds later a bubble pops up telling you it's ready to print with
[02:40] <zcat[1]> but if it's -not- supported (like my mfc) then you just can't get it to print at all.. :(
[02:41] <len> If you're connected via usb, but I'm connecting via network and it was almost as  easy with the kde wizard, and still would be in 8.04 if most of the ppds' for photosmart printers weren't missing from the list.
[02:41] <zcat[1]> I need one that can print on printable CD's though
[02:42] <zcat[1]> hmmm.. never tried a network printer.
[02:43] <zcat[1]> usb, parallell, and printers on networked machines are no problem at all, for sure
[02:44] <len> All I had to do was chose TCP printers, enter the net portion of the IP address, and it scanned and found the printer on the network.
[02:44] <zcat[1]> cool.
[02:45] <Milos_SD> Hi all, I need help
[02:45] <Milos_SD> after some update, I don't know what update, Lirc is stoped working ... It can't start daemon
[02:45] <Milos_SD> :(
[02:46] <protonchris> Milos_SD: what do the logs say?
[02:46] <len> After that it you are supposed to choose your printer model  so it knows what driver and ppd to use, but most photosmarts were left off the list in 8.04.  I'm going to go check a machine with 7.10 and see what ppd packages are installed.  I'm betting no more than on this 8.04 machine.
[02:46] <Armagguedes> my firefox3b4 is quite slow on kubuntu hardy, any ideas why? i'm not talking about connection issues here, mind u, the whole thing is half-unresponsive and its refreshing/rendering is disgusting (and slower than FF2.0.0.13)..
[02:46] <Milos_SD> what logs?
[02:47] <len> Maybe imature xorg 7.3 drivers for your video card?
[02:47] <Milos_SD> I get this in terminal when sudo /etc/init.d/lirc restart:
[02:47] <Milos_SD> * Stopping remote control daemon(s): LIRC                               [fail]
[02:47] <Milos_SD>  * Loading LIRC modules                                                  [ OK ]
[02:47] <len> Alpha 7.3 xorg drivers were terrible and the just resently got better right before the beta.
[02:48] <Milos_SD>  * Starting remote control daemon(s) : LIRC                              [fail]
[02:48] <protonchris> Milos_SD: /var/log/syslog
[02:48] <len> They esp had issues with firefox.
[02:48] <Milos_SD> what should I search for?
[02:48] <protonchris> Milos_SD: lirc
[02:48] <pen> I wonder why group and tab windows plugin always crash my ubuntu when I try to group windows?
[02:49] <pen> or freeze would be more appropriate
[02:51] <Milos_SD> lircd-0.8.3pre1[11296]: caught signal
[02:51] <Milos_SD> lircd-0.8.3pre1[11296]: closing '/dev/input/irremote'
[02:51] <Milos_SD> ircd-0.8.3pre1[11300]: caught signal
[02:53] <protonchris> Milos_SD: anything else?
[02:53] <Milos_SD> no
[02:53] <Milos_SD> but I can see when I restart my PC in init1 error for starting lirc daemon
[02:54] <Milos_SD> I tried to go back to early version of lirc
[02:54] <Milos_SD> but no help :(
[02:55] <saltedlight_> have another strange problem...
[02:55] <protonchris> Milos_SD: try looking in /var/log/daemon.log
[02:55] <saltedlight_> on 7.10 my pixma mp150 scanner worked ok... now it won't scann again... any ideea how to figure this out?
[02:56] <saltedlight_> *now as in i'm on 8.04
[02:57] <Milos_SD> I got it to work now ... but I don't know what is wrong in automatic configuration
[02:57] <Milos_SD> I did this: sudo lircd -d /dev/input/irremote -H dev/input
[02:57] <Zoem> anyone have any idea how to install the modules for the ad1988b audio codec?
[02:57] <Milos_SD> but, /etc/lirc/hardware.conf is OK
[02:57] <Milos_SD> :S
[02:59] <protonchris> Milos_SD: strange
[03:03] <Zoem> anyone have any idea how to install the modules for the ad1988b audio codec?
[03:03] <Milos_SD> I got it to work now
[03:03] <Milos_SD> :D
[03:03] <Armagguedes> my firefox3b4 is quite slow on kubuntu hardy, and i'm not talking about connection issues here mind u, the whole thing is half-unresponsive and its refreshing/rendering is disgusting (and slower than FF2.0.0.13). any ideas why??
[03:03] <Milos_SD> I didn't see that in hardware.conf Start lircd was false
[03:03] <Milos_SD> :S
[03:07] <bazhang> Armagguedes: got any plugins for firefox3--and if so how many which ones
[03:08] <Armagguedes> clean install, nothing running
[03:08] <Armagguedes> actually, just a couple out of the repositories
[03:08] <Armagguedes> like launchpad integration
[03:09] <Armagguedes> lemme check the other one
[03:09] <Armagguedes> dom inspector
[03:09] <Armagguedes> and that's it bazhang
[03:09] <Milos_SD> I am so stupid :@
[03:10] <bazhang> Armagguedes: what cpu how much ram on that computer
[03:10] <heartsblood> I just wanted to say, whoever let "Allow to control the pointer using the keyboard" slip as a default option should be forced to do binary math on a 5150 for the rest of their life.
[03:10] <Milos_SD> that little thing in hardware.conf was the problem all along - for 7 days a was nocking my head out how to fix this
[03:10] <Milos_SD> :@
[03:10] <Armagguedes> DuoCore 2.4GHz, 3GiB (actually 4, but 32bit systems are limited to 3)
[03:11] <protonchris> heartsblood: maybe you should submit a bug
[03:11] <Armagguedes> more than enough (thou i had to scrap KDE4-remix because it dragged its feet)
[03:11] <larson9999> hmmm my laptop is cooler with hardy.
[03:11] <bazhang> Armagguedes: that is odd; was it always this slow or did it become so after a time
[03:12] <heartsblood> Protonchris, it's not technically a bug.
[03:12] <heartsblood> Protonchris, the options works fine, I just don't know why it's turned on by default.
[03:12] <Armagguedes> no
[03:12] <protonchris> heartsblood: which package?
[03:13] <Armagguedes> right from the beginning, when i installed it a couple hours ago
[03:13] <Armagguedes> when i opened it the 1st time around it was dragging already
[03:13] <heartsblood> protonchris, what do you mean?
[03:13] <bazhang> Armagguedes: what video card and which driver how installed
[03:14] <protonchris> Armagguedes: also, what is your CPU usage?
[03:14] <Armagguedes> GeForce 8600, but i don't know about the driver
[03:14] <protonchris> heartsblood: I mean what piece of software has that default.
[03:15] <bazhang> Armagguedes: how installed; that driver--this is the most likely reason for the slowness--that card and improperly configured drivers for it
[03:15] <heartsblood> protonchris, it's the system keyboard settings for 8.04
[03:15] <Armagguedes> cpu usage- 2-5% either core
[03:15] <Armagguedes> how can i fix it then
[03:15] <Armagguedes> ?
[03:15] <Armagguedes> btw, i have no swap.
[03:15] <heartsblood> protonchris, under 'mouse keys' "Allow to control the pointer using the keyboard" is checked by default.
[03:16] <protonchris> heartsblood: Strange that was the default on mine.
[03:16] <protonchris> was -> wasn't
[03:18] <len> Hmm.  I plugged in the HP C5180 via usb and it autoinstalled/generated a ppd in nothing flat, so it appears that in 8.04 they removed the static ppds and only generate ppd on on the fly when the printer is plugged in via usb.  It was a pretty stupid assumption to assume that all photosmart printers would be plugged in via usb when quite a few of the models are networkable.
[03:20] <tgm4883_laptop> In System > Preferences > Screen Resolution, in an attempt to fix another issue, I set the resolution to off.  Where is this setting kept?  I can't get it turned back on and I have no video now :(
[03:23] <nibblesmx> the "share folder" option in nautilus is gone. And "Shared Folders" in administration is also gone. Does anybody knows why?
[03:26] <thebishop> the hardy beta is very sluggish for me.  MP3s don't even play smoothly
[03:32] <corporeal> there's the kde-desktop package, is there a kde4-desktop package or something for the kde4 version? and can it be installed alongside kde-desktop
[03:33] <Boohbah> corporeal: kubuntu-kde4-desktop; yes
[03:33] <corporeal> Boohbah: awesome, thanks :-)
[03:52] <tommost> Has anyone had problems with the upgrade manager failing to download packages?  It has been unable to download xulrunner twice for me today.
[03:54] <tommost> Failed to fetch http://us.archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/pool/main/x/xulrunner-1.9/xulrunner-1.9_1.9$ Connection failed [IP: 91.189.88.45 80]
[03:57] <len> In case anyone is interested, this appears to be a Kubuntu 8.04 specific problem.  All the photsmart ppd files show up when configuring via localhost:631 cups browser, but the list is truncated when it displays in KDE printer wizard.  Quit a bit of the bottom of the printers list is not displayed for selection.  I'm assuming it works OK in Ubuntu 8.04.
[03:58] <len> Too bad there is no kubuntu+1 channel/
[03:59] <Armagguedes> tommost, not at all
[03:59] <Armagguedes> but i'm using uk.archive...
[03:59] <tommost> Hmm.  I guess I'll look into switching to a different server, then.
[04:00] <Armagguedes> use the canadian - CA - servers
[04:00] <Armagguedes> they'd be the ones closest to you
[04:00] <Armagguedes> i think
[04:01] <tommost> Oh, definitely.  I'm in Wisconsin.
[04:02] <tommost> Whoa... I just opened update manager.  All of the packages appear to be sitting here.
[04:02] <alvarezp> Hello. I found a problem in a driver in Hardy Beta. How do I go back a couple of versions, to find the affected version?
[04:03] <leftyfb> anyone know the deal with sharing folders in hardy? I installed nautilus-shares and can do so via right-clicking a folder, but is there going to be a more standard way of doing this going forward? There also used to be a sharing tool in administration which is now gone.
[04:09] <Rezagrats> 0.0 no one's saying anything?!
[04:09] <Rezagrats> Amazing
[04:09] <Rezagrats> Time has frozen within #ubuntu+1's confines, night all
[04:21] <Luke__> my headphones have stopped working in 8.04. all sounds are unmuted and up in alsamixer. any suggestions?
[04:23] <mesilliac> do you have the "headphone" switch activated? (under the switches tab in volume control)
[04:29] <eduardo> Question: How do i customize visual effects?
[04:30] <leftyfb> eduardo: sudo apt-get inatall compizconfig-settings-manager
[04:31] <eduardo> thanx
[04:33] <Ashex> What do I need to do to install Kubuntu KDE4?
[04:33] <Ashex> I'm running KDE3 right now
[04:33] <jbroome> kubuntu-kde4-desktop
[04:34] <Ashex> thanks jbroome
[04:34] <Black_Magic> Well Winehq Has no idea so i came here to see if anyone can help
[04:35] <Ashex> any idea how often the kde4 libs are updated?
[04:35] <Black_Magic> Im trying to play a game in wine called lastchaos but when i launch it it like hangs out of the window here is the terminal output: http://pastebin.com/f9a84e17 And here is a Screenie if it helps http://img208.imageshack.us/my.php?image=anotherexampledm1.png
[04:35] <eduardo> leftyfb, after doing that where do i customize?
[04:35] <Black_Magic> I have latest version of wine and AppDB Rates it Platinum
[04:36] <leftyfb> eduardo: http://help.ubuntu.com will answer questions exactly like this ... look under customizing desktop
[04:36] <eduardo> thats for 7.10
[04:38] <eduardo> leftyfb: there's no customize button under the "Visual Effects" lid
[04:38] <leftyfb> eduardo: that's not for 7.10 and you don't need to hit the customize button
[04:39] <leftyfb> system - preferences - advanced desktop effect settings
[04:39] <eduardo> leftyfb, well this is what the page header says "Documentation for Ubuntu 7.10"
[04:40] <leftyfb> that's because it was written for 7.10, the latest released version of ubuntu
[04:41] <keanu|afk> Question/problem - on my Dell Inspiron 1525, sound works, but volume needs to be nearly 75% to be audible - any ideas why?
[04:41] <jbroome> what's alsamixer set to?
[04:42] <keanu|afk> not quite sure what you're looking for
[04:42] <keanu|afk> bars are all 100% except master, which is 70%
[04:43] <eduardo> thank you leftyfb
[04:44] <keanu|afk> jbroome, with vlc at 100% and master volume at 100%, it sounds like the one of the lowest volume steps in Windows
[04:44] <jbroome> hurm
[04:45] <keanu|afk> i get sound and all, which makes it kind of weird, it's just really quiet
[04:46] <SpartanII117> keanu|afk: are there any other output jacks?
[04:47] <keanu|afk> SpartanII117, it's the built in speakers that are quiet - i haven't tried the jacks - hold
[04:47] <Chiarot> can someone help me get Ubutnu v8 beta working on dual monitor? (if possible) i just picked up a 2nd monitor today :P
[04:48] <collusion> Just go to Other -> Screens and Graphics.
[04:48] <SpartanII117> Chiarot: i probabally can, what kind of card do you have?
[04:48] <collusion> If you have the hardware, Xorg may detect the second monitor for you.
[04:49] <Chiarot> hmmm crap   sec lol, i got the name if it somewhere :D
[04:49] <SpartanII117> nvidia, ati or intel?
[04:49] <Chiarot> ATI
[04:50] <SpartanII117> Chiarot:  collusion may have the answer then, i only know nvidia stuff
[04:50] <keanu|afk> SpartanII117, the Inspiron 1525 has two headphone jacks - the first one works, and has slightly more power, the second one is 'dead'
[04:50] <SpartanII117> the second one should be your mic jack?
[04:51] <Chiarot> darn :P
[04:51] <keanu|afk> SpartanII117, it doesn't appear to be the mic jack
[04:51] <eduardo> Question: Whats the best windows emulator?
[04:51] <Chiarot> ill keep looking on google *prays he can find a answer*
[04:51] <tommost> eduardo: I'm fond of KVM.
[04:52] <eduardo> tommost thanks
[04:52] <SpartanII117> ok, are there any options for amplificataion in the prefrences for volume-control?
[04:52] <keanu|afk> SpartanII117, dunno if there's a decent picture on Dell's site, but there's three jacks on the front - one two have the headphone symbol, the other has the mic symbol
[04:52] <tommost> VMWare also works nicely; it lets you copy and paste between the virtual machine and your local applications.
[04:52] <bhsx> has anyone tried to use nautilus' 'connect to server' function to connect to another ubuntu box using ssh?  it just fails saying sftp was rejected...  how do i set that up to accept it?
[04:52] <Chiarot> i useto use VMWare untill i got a bigger harddrive ^_^ lol
[04:53] <RAOF> Chiarot: System->Preferences->Screen resolution should allow you to play with dual-head nice and easily, if you're not using fglrx.
[04:53] <keanu|afk> SpartanII117, not sure if I'm looking in the right place, but I didn't see any options for amplification (gnome-volume-control preferences)
[04:54] <dimitree> problems deleting files :) i moved a folder from desktop to trash and when i try to empty trash it says permission denied :)
[04:54] <dimitree> how can i delete this folder ?
[04:55] <SpartanII117> i think you are, hace you tried google to see if there's any special module that needs to be loaded for the sound card?
[04:55] <SpartanII117> *have
[04:55] <keanu|afk> I checked on Dell's wiki, but didn't see anything - checking google didn't reveal any problems
[04:55] <SpartanII117> ok,
[04:56] <Chiarot> what type of dell is it?
[04:56] <keanu|afk> Chiarot, inspiron 1525
[04:56] <Tuv0k> pulse audio is supposed to be default in hardy
[04:56] <Tuv0k> my xubuntu install has no pulse happening
[04:57] <keanu|afk> Chiarot, not sure if it makes a difference (but I do know that the wireless cards are different, so who knows) but it is the 'windows version' of the laptop, and I installed ubuntu myself
[04:57] <RAOF> Tuv0k: xubuntu != ubuntu.  I don't think kubuntu has pulse by default, either.
[04:58] <Tuv0k> thx :/
[04:58] <Chiarot> alrighty, lets see if i can find something, i rember a mate of mine in class had same problem with a acer laptop
[04:58] <keanu|afk> ok, thanks
[04:58] <Chiarot> if hes online ill see what he did to fix
[04:58] <Tuv0k> I'll get it working
[04:58] <RAOF> Tuv0k: A simple "aptitude install pulseaudio" will pull it in for you, though.
[04:58] <Tuv0k> just thought it was default
[04:58] <Tuv0k> I had it working in gutsy
[04:59] <Tuv0k> was hoping I was not going to have to hack
[04:59] <Tuv0k> and assumed hardy was hardy
[04:59] <Tuv0k> but here we go with this *buntu garbage
[04:59]  * Tuv0k grumble
[05:00] <leftyfb> Tuv0k: Hardy is not released yet
[05:01] <Tuv0k> pulse has been working in hardy for me since the start
[05:01] <Tuv0k> you have me mistaken for a noob
[05:01] <Tuv0k> I know when its released
[05:01] <keanu|afk> Chiarot, At the bottom of https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+bug/186940 another user mentions sound being soft - same sound card
[05:01] <ubotu> Launchpad bug 186940 in linux "SigmaTel STAC9228 8.04 Broken" [Undecided,Incomplete]
[05:02] <RAOF> Tuv0k: "Hardy, as always, has the latest Gnome release" :).  Generally, when we refer without qualification we're referring to Ubuntu - Kubuntu & Xubuntu have different sets of defaults (as do Ubuntu-studio and Mythbuntu, etc).
[05:03] <Chiarot> yup, and i have no problems with sound on a old 1100 diminsion dell
[05:03] <Chiarot> (what im using atm.....)
[05:04] <Tuv0k> RAOF, I'm learning that. I've never touch the other variants until I got this old Dell, I put xubuntu on it, well come to think of it, it really is not a xubuntu cd. It was installed from the server cd, as I do all my installs.
[05:04] <keanu|afk> same sound card?
[05:04] <SpartanII117> the most you can do is subscribe to the big and see if anyone finds a solution.
[05:05] <keanu|afk> k
[05:05] <Tuv0k> I never use the generic full desktop cds, like the noobs
[05:05] <Tuv0k> all from server cds
[05:05] <Chiarot> lol, i just wait, buy a external harddrive and use that XD
[05:05] <Tuv0k> so that I if no one else, maintain consistency
[05:05] <Chiarot> i think i got about 7 or 8 different linux flavors XD
[05:06] <Tuv0k> nvrmind, I'll hack at it and it it working as per usual
[05:06] <Chiarot> then a few days back i was like :O beta for ubutu..... must *drooling* have
[05:06]  * Tuv0k this is getting old
[05:06] <jast-mxm__> quick vmware questions, since no one in #vmware is answering: when allocating diskspace should i split my space into 2gb files or leave as one file? which has better performance implications?
[05:06] <jbroome> totally not #ubuntu+1 related
[05:07]  * jast-mxm__ sighs "sorry" i'll go bug them some more
[05:07] <SpartanII117> uou might try the regular ubuntu channel
[05:07] <jbroome> that's probably on the google somewhere
[05:07] <bazhang> jast-mxm__: either works up to you really
[05:08] <SpartanII117> Chiarot: i do the samr about 1-1.5 months before final
[05:08] <RAOF> jast-mxm__: The only reason you'd want to split your files is if you're using a broken filesystem (like fat32).
[05:08] <SpartanII117> (on a secondary machene ofcourse)
[05:08] <jast-mxm__> raof: thanks
[05:08] <jast-mxm__> i'm doing this in 8.04 if it matters ^_^
[05:09] <Chiarot> :O sounds like fun
[05:10] <SpartanII117> very
[05:10]  * Chiarot wishes game devolopers would start recoginizing linux =(
[05:10]  * SpartanII117 agrees
[05:10] <Chiarot> or hel leven mac :D
[05:11] <Chiarot> hell even *
[05:11] <Chiarot> *drools...... wants mac so badly=* lol
[05:11] <secret901> anyone know anything about audio not working after an update to Hardy?
[05:11] <SpartanII117> just posix compatible would be awesome
[05:11] <Chiarot> lmfao, nah Photoshop :D
[05:11] <JohnPhys> Is anyone affected by Bug #190848 ?
[05:11] <ubotu> Launchpad bug 190848 in gnome-terminal "font in terminal does not resemble font in preview" [Undecided,Triaged] https://launchpad.net/bugs/190848
[05:12] <Chiarot> like sure theres wine......
[05:12] <Chiarot> but it doesnt beat the real thing :P
[05:12] <SpartanII117> secret901: audio in general or audio in wine?
[05:12] <secret901> after I update to Hardy, my audio just isn't recognized anymore
[05:12] <SpartanII117> Chiarot: does for me:)
[05:12] <JohnPhys> secret901:  My sound works, though I did a clean install.  Many people ask about sound issues in here, so I'm sure there's some bug reports on it in launchpad
[05:13] <Chiarot> anyways im out, buddies want me to play FFXI :P -.- ugh! back to windows    ill c hat later :)
[05:13] <SpartanII117> ok
[05:13] <SpartanII117> ttyl
[05:14] <keanu|afk> Chiarot, Following method K on https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Gutsy_Intel_HD_Audio_Controller, it seems dell's package would work, but it's for 2.6.22 =/
[05:14] <SpartanII117> keanu|afk: sorry, he just left
[05:14] <secret901> SpartanII117: after that, I reinstalled alsa from source; and get really static-y sound
[05:14] <keanu|afk> SpartanII117, heh, didn't notice
[05:15] <SpartanII117> sec, do you have a digital out turned up in volume-control?
[05:15] <SpartanII117> *sec
[05:16] <SpartanII117> * secret901
[05:16] <secret901> SpartanII117: I can't use volume control, it can't recognize my audio card
[05:17] <SpartanII117> ok...
[05:17] <secret901> SpartanII117: after I get all static-y sound, I removed the kernel and reinstalled it from source
[05:17] <SpartanII117> it sounds to me like you have a conflicting digital output
[05:17] <secret901> SpartanII117: then I'm back to square one
[05:18] <secret901> SpartanII117: it was working perfectly in Gutsy
[05:18] <SpartanII117> can you just force install the gutsy debs?
[05:18] <secret901> SpartanII117: I think Hardy used some new untested audio system
[05:18] <secret901> SpartanII117: I have no idea how
[05:19] <SpartanII117> try removing everything pulseaudio related and puting in all the alsa stuff
[05:19] <secret901> SpartanII117: that sounds kindda risky
[05:20] <secret901> SpartanII117: and I have no idea what's related
[05:21] <SpartanII117> then i dont know what to tellyou, check launch pad with the name ou your audio chip/
[05:21] <Jordan_U> secret901, You are just getting statiky sound? Try turning down some of the channels, it's probably just clipping ( try staying out of the red in alsamixer )
[05:23] <secret901> Jordan_U: I tried all of that, didn't work.  But after I reinstalled the kernel I'm back to square one
[05:23] <secret901> Jordan_U: and now I can't get any sound to work
[05:24] <Jordan_U> secret901, ( Did I try to help you earlier ?) Does asound conf list print anything?
[05:24] <Jordan_U> secret901, make that "asoundconf list" ( one word :)
[05:25] <secret901> Jordan_U: I don't think you've helped me before; no sound cards are recognized
[05:27] <secret901> Jordan_U: I have an Intel 82801G audio controller
[05:27] <Jordan_U> secret901, I don't know then, if you are desperate try OSS, I've heard a lot of hype about it, not sure if it really lives up to it though
[05:28] <secret901> Jordan_U: I tried OSS too...works OK but crashes when I have 2 programs trying to use sound at the same time
[05:28] <secret901> Jordan_U: and doesn't really integrate with volume control
[05:29] <secret901> Jordan_U: but I guess beggars can't be choosers...
[05:29] <Jordan_U> secret901, You might be able to get around that by using pulseaudio
[05:29] <secret901> Jordan_U: isn't that what's causing all my woes in the first place?
[05:31] <Jordan_U> secret901, I doubt it, pulseaudio is just runs on top of ALSA / OSS so it probably didn't break them
[05:31] <techqbert> can anybody help me with eclipse?  ever since 8.04, eclipse thinks java.util.Scanner doesn't exist.
[05:32] <secret901> Jordan_U: does Hardy come with some new version of alsa or something
[05:32] <pen> is there a way to make gmail support firefox 3 beta 4?
[05:32] <SpartanII117> pen: it does
[05:32] <secret901> pen: what is it not supporting?
[05:32] <Jordan_U> secret901, It's a new version but not anything drastic
[05:32] <secret901> Jordan_U: it's drastic to me...
[05:32] <Jordan_U> pen, Works fine here
[05:33] <pen> I use Firefox 3 beta 4 and gmail said it's not supported
[05:33] <Hello_Drupal> guys is this a support channel?
[05:33] <pen> I don't know why
[05:33] <secret901> pen: are you using some extension that changes the user-client?
[05:33] <Jordan_U> Hello_Drupal, Sort of, when you use a Beta OS you give up some expectation of support :)
[05:33] <pen> secret901: maybe, let me check
[05:34] <pen> aha, yes, I think I will just change it back it should be fine then, thx
[05:34] <secret901> pen: yw
[05:35] <pen> :)
[05:35] <Hello_Drupal> ok i did a screen right felp .. and it seems that i can't get it right back at what it was .. does anyone have an idea?
[05:36] <secret901> Jordan_U: so how do I set pulseaudio to sit on top of oss instead of alsa?
[05:36] <pen> secret901: easy, just configure app to use pulseaudio
[05:36] <pen> secret901: instead of alsa
[05:36] <Jordan_U> secret901, I don't know, hopefully you just enable pulseaudio and it will realize that it needs to use OSS
[05:36] <pen> secret901: that works on almost all the apps I use
[05:37] <keanu> is there any way to get dell's custom l-b-m to work with the 2.6.24 kernel?
[05:37] <secret901> pen: how do I set an app to change the audio program?  When I switched to oss, it works for vlc but not for mplayer
[05:37] <JohnPhys> l-b-m?
[05:38] <secret901> pen: and it locks up oss when more than one program tries to use the audio card
[05:38] <Jordan_U> secret901, Set up gnome to use pulseaudio, for mplayer use -ao pulse
[05:38] <keanu> linux-backports-module (dell website referred to it as l-b-m)
[05:38] <pen> secret901: just set both to pulseaudio
[05:38] <pen> secret901: no need to worry about alsa or oss
[05:39] <secret901> pen: alsa is borking my system
[05:39] <JohnPhys> ah ok
[05:39] <secret901> pen: it's not recognizing my card
[05:39] <secret901> Jordan_U: can you be more detailed? I don't know how to set up gnome
[05:39] <pen> secret901: how do you know?
[05:40] <Jordan_U> secret901, System -> Preferences -> Sound
[05:40] <pen> secret901: did you try to install oss before?
[05:40] <keanu> JohnPhys, based on the 11 methods on https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Gutsy_Intel_HD_Audio_Controller, dell's custom copy of it seems to be the only thing that works
[05:40] <keanu> only problem is, it's for an old kernel
[05:40] <secret901> pen: I upgraded from Gutsy to Hardy, and the audio stopped working; volume control says it can't find an audio device
[05:40] <secret901> pen: then I tried installing OSS, it seems to work, but isn't integrated into the system
[05:41] <pen> secret901: uninstall oss
[05:41] <secret901> pen: I did
[05:41] <pen> secret901: and make all alsa to pulseaudio
[05:41] <pen> secret901: in System | Preferences | Sound too
[05:41] <secret901> pen: how do I do that? alsa isn't even working because it's not recognizing my card
[05:41] <chequers> Hi, I'm getting a lot of messages in /var/log/messages like this: `Mar 31 12:37:42 aj-laptop kernel: [ 1872.863436] input: b43-phy0 as /devices/virtual/input/input49`
[05:41] <keanu> JohnPhys, and it fixes the second headphone jack =/
[05:41] <chequers> Does anyone know what they mean?
[05:42] <pen> secret901: can you hear sound if you choose pulseaudio instead als?
[05:42] <secret901> pen: nope
[05:42] <pen> what is your default device in sound preference?
[05:42] <secret901> pen: I get an error
[05:42] <yell0w> hi guys, does anyway know how to fix ndiswrapper problem with hardy beta on a bcm4318 ?
[05:42] <pen> secret901: could you be more specific?
[05:43] <chequers> yell0w: there's a new driver available for it, I'm using the new driver
[05:43] <yell0w> chequers: where ?
[05:43] <chequers> it's called b43, although I'm having some problems with it..
[05:43] <secret901> pen: I set sound playback to be PulseAudio Sound Server, I get the error: audiotestsrc wave=sine freq=512 ! audioconvert ! audioresample ! gconfaudiosink profile=chat: Failed to connect stream: Invalid argument
[05:43] <chequers> yell0w: it was the default in the restricted driver manager for me
[05:44] <yell0w> chequers: b43 doesn't work for me, so i switched back to ndiswrapper, which worked in gutsy, but now not working
[05:44] <pen> secret901: how about auto?
[05:44] <secret901> pen: originally, they're all autodetect
[05:44] <pen> secret901: does it work?
[05:44] <pen> secret901: ok, what is your kernel?
[05:44] <secret901> pen: none of the choices work
[05:44] <secret901> pen: how do I find that? I remember removing the kernel that comes with Hardy Beta and installing another one from source
[05:44] <chequers> yell0w: it's not working for me, but I'm trying to get b43 working as ndiswrapper brings nothing but pain and is now obsolete anyway imo :P
[05:44] <secret901> pen: but not sure if it's the same version
[05:45] <pen> secret901: I mean your kernel version
[05:45] <secret901> pen: yes, the Linux kernel
[05:45] <yell0w> chequers: does ndiswrapper works for you ?
[05:45] <pen> secret901: What is the version you are using?
[05:45] <secret901> pen: I have no idea, how do I find that out?
[05:45] <chequers> yell0w: on 8.04? haven't tried. on 7.10? yes.
[05:46] <pen> secret901: go to system monitor and click System tab
[05:47] <pen> secret901: it should show you the kernel you are using currently
[05:47] <secret901> pen: 2.6.24-12 generic
[05:47] <yell0w> chequers: if it does, let me know
[05:47] <pen> secret901: you know where system monitor is right?
[05:48] <secret901> pen: yes, the version is 2.6.24-12 generic
[05:50] <pen> secret901: did you uninstall oss completely and reinstall alsA?
[05:50] <secret901> pen: yes, I uninstalled oss; not sure if I reinstalled alsa, but it seems to be installed
[05:50] <pen> secret901: did it work before you upgrade?
[05:51] <secret901> pen: yes, it worked perfectly
[05:51] <pen> secret901: so it might be that oss is messing up alsa
[05:51] <Jordan_U> secret901, How did you install OSS?
[05:51] <secret901> pen: not a chance, since I never had OSS before all this problem started
[05:52] <secret901> pen: I upgraded to Hardy, then the sound stopped working
[05:52] <secret901> pen: so I followed someone's advice and removed alsa and reinstalled a newer version from source
[05:52] <pen> secret901: did alsa work for you?
[05:52] <pen> secret901: before you install oss?
[05:52] <secret901> pen: no
[05:52] <secret901> pen: it worked in Gutsy, not Hardy
[05:52] <pen> secret901: alsa?
[05:53] <secret901> pen: yes, alsa worked fine in Gutsy
[05:53] <pen> secret901: then why would you want to install oss?
[05:53] <pen> secret901: is it after you upgrade?
[05:53] <secret901> pen: because it stopped working after I upgraded the computer to Hardy
[05:54] <pen> secret901: ok, try reinstall alsa and switch to pulseaudio
[05:54] <secret901> pen: alsa is installed
[05:54] <pen> secret901: I assume you uninstall oss completely
[05:54] <secret901> pen: yes
[05:54] <pen> secret901: can you use alsa now?
[05:54] <pen> secret901: can it detect your devices?
[05:54] <secret901> pen: alsa is installed, but my audio cards are not recognized
[05:55] <secret901> pen: I'm back to where I started when I first upgraded to Hardy
[05:55] <secret901> pen: oss isn't the problem here, it's alsa
[05:55] <secret901> pen: a lot of work had been done to the intel module
[05:55] <pen> secret901: what is your sound card?
[05:56] <secret901> pen:    82801G (ICH7 Family) High Definition Audio Controller with STAC9200 Codec
[05:57] <secret901> pen: my laptop comes with Ubuntu installed; it's supported by Dell
[05:57] <eduardo> Question: how do i enable javascript in firefox?
[05:57] <secret901> eduardo: did you disable it?
[05:57] <secret901> Jordan_U: I installed OSS using a .deb file
[05:58] <eduardo> secrect901, no but i cant see videos in youtube
[05:58] <pen> secret901: try this http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?p=1742116
[05:58] <secret901> eduardo: is it telling you that you need to install Flash?
[05:58] <Jordan_U> secret901, You should definitely check if there is a bug already filed then,
[05:58] <pen> secret901: reboot afer you followed the steps
[05:59] <eduardo> secret901, either that or having javascript turned off
[05:59] <secret901> pen: I'm sure this is a Hardy problem; since it worked fine in Gutsy
[06:00] <pen> secret901: did you try to add the line?
[06:00] <nikrud> speaking of flash, is anyone else seeing the 'play 3 seconds and stop' behavior?
[06:00] <Jordan_U> secret901, Because a bug like sound not working on a Dellbuntu is not going to last long :)
[06:00] <secret901> Jordan_U: I filed a bug, but haven't heard anything; I saw a similar bug that was fixed and tried it, but it gets me nowhere
[06:01] <yell0w> hi guys, does anyway know how to fix ndiswrapper problem with hardy beta on a bcm4318 ? (it worked in gutsy)
[06:01] <Jordan_U> nikrud, There is a bug filed, I belive it has to do with pulseaudio and has been fixed but only for new installs ( so it's a config file issue ), but that's just from memory
[06:01] <secret901> pen: I don't think it's necessary, since this post was years ago and only applicable to earlier versions of Ubuntu
[06:01] <secret901> pen: this laptop comes with Feisty, and it also worked fine in Gutsy
[06:01] <nikrud> I saw a firefox2 download, but not firefox3.
[06:02] <secret901> eduardo: try reloading the file, I sometimes get that message if my connection is slow
[06:02] <secret901> eduardo: I mean the page
[06:03] <pen> secret901: sometimes this is not apply only to the specific distro, you have  to try before you can prove that. I sometimes fix my problem from old threads, you just need to back the files.
[06:03] <pen> secret901: *backup
[06:05] <danuel> Does anyone know why Hardy doesn't allow mounting of windows volumes (NTFS) without sudo?  "You are not privileged to mount this volume"
[06:06] <secret901> pen: ok, I'll try it
[06:06] <pen> secret901: just come back if you still experience problems
[06:06] <secret901> pen: I'm sure I will, bbl
[06:06] <pen> :)
[06:11] <CarlFK> what do I have to install so that u-server will mount usb drives when I plug them in?
[06:13] <secret901> pen: I'm back
[06:13] <secret901> too bad he's gone
[06:13] <Scientus> how do i rerun the install hardware scripts
[06:15] <SpartanII117> secret901: still having problems?
[06:15] <secret901> SpartanII117: yup
[06:15] <secret901> SpartanII117: I think I'm gonna try OSS
[06:15] <secret901> SpartanII117: alsa seems really messed up in my computer
[06:16] <SpartanII117> ok, good luck
[06:16] <AnswerGuy> Is there a simple way to get a LiveCD boot to refrain from starting X ... to just boot into text mode?
[06:21] <AnswerGuy> BTW: 8.04 beta LiveCD can be booted over a network without any changes to the kernel nor to the inird; just pop the kernel and init rd into the tftpboot area, add the magice to your pxelinux.cfg/default, copy the rest of the CD contents to someplace suitable, NFS export that and away you go.
[06:22]  * AnswerGuy grumps at all those typos cause by his laggy line. :(
[06:34] <JohnPhys> does anyone know why gnome-system-tools is not installed in hardy by default?
[06:34] <Scientus> will hardy survive a switch from vmware image to physical install?
[06:34] <Scientus> a nd how would i do such a switch
[06:35] <JohnPhys> among other things, it provided teh "share folders" gui frontend for sharing files via nfs and smb
[06:35] <Scientus> how do i rerun the install hardware scripts
[06:35] <DanaG> Hmm, I got a 750GB backup drive that I'm trying to figure out how to partition.
[06:35] <JohnPhys> Scientus:  That sounds extremely tricky and awful to do.  Any reason why you don't just want to do a regular install?
[06:36] <DanaG> If I maintain the same proportions between partitions as on my internal drive (minus swap), round, and then add, I get just over 3 gigs left over.
[06:36] <Scientus> i want to create a complicated entwork with multiple virtual machines on 1 computer before deploying them
[06:36] <DanaG> That's kinda' interesting; now I have to decide where to put it.
[06:38] <Scientus> ubuntu isnt recognizing my usb hd
[06:43] <eduardo> Question: I'm trying to install flash player 9, and instalation asks me to type in firefox location, does anybody know its location?
[06:44] <eduardo> Question: I'm trying to install flash player 9, and instalation asks me to type in firefox location, does anybody know its location?
[06:44] <JohnPhys> eduardo, what installation method are you using?
[06:45] <eduardo> terminal
[06:45] <JohnPhys> what specifically?
[06:46] <eduardo> johnphys:  tar xzvf /home/eduardo/Desktop/Downloads/install_flash_player_9_linux.tar.gz
[06:46] <JohnPhys> eduardo:  is there a reason you're not installing from the repositories?
[06:46] <eduardo> i didnt know it was on the repo
[06:47] <eduardo> i think i just found it
[06:47] <eduardo> its under usr
[06:47] <JohnPhys> well, a meta-package is that downloads it from adobe's site
[06:47] <JohnPhys> flashplugin-nonfree
[06:47] <JohnPhys> if you go to youtube (or any flash site) in firefox it should ask you to install the plugin, and then give you the option of adobe flash or gnash
[06:48] <eduardo> i chose adobe flash
[06:48] <eduardo> i cant install it..
[06:49] <eduardo> Please enter the installation path of the Mozilla, Netscape,
[06:49] <eduardo> or Opera browser (i.e., /usr/lib/mozilla): /usr/lib/mozilla
[06:49] <eduardo> WARNING: Please enter a valid installation path.
[06:49] <eduardo> Please enter the installation path of the Mozilla, Netscape,
[06:49] <eduardo> or Opera browser (i.e., /usr/lib/mozilla): /usr/lib/mozilla/
[06:49] <eduardo> WARNING: Please enter a valid installation path.
[06:49] <eduardo> Please enter the installation path of the Mozilla, Netscape,
[06:49] <eduardo> or Opera browser (i.e., /usr/lib/mozilla):
[06:49] <eduardo> thats its location.. /usr/lib/mozilla/ idk why its not working
[06:49] <JohnPhys> well when you choose adobe flash from within firefox, everything should be nice and automated and you should not need to mess with the terminal
[06:50] <eduardo> well it wasnt lol
[06:50] <JohnPhys> heh, try again?
[06:51] <JohnPhys> you should not need to dl manually from adobe's site
[06:51] <JohnPhys> try sudo apt-get install flashplugin-nonfree
[06:51] <eduardo> kk
[06:51] <eduardo> ill try
[06:52] <quentusrex> For some reason the ubuntu kernel 2.6.24-12 generic fails to boot and hangs at the message "Waiting for Root File system... ..."
[06:52] <eduardo> ok its working now
[06:52] <eduardo> thx
[06:53] <JohnPhys> Why the gnome-system-tools package not installed in Hardy beta by default?  Is there another way to use a gui to set up smb/nfs file shares?  I tried searching the forums, bugs, blueprints, and answers, and didn't see anything obvious.  Thanks for your time (and the great distro!)
[07:03] <Griswold> JohnPhys, shares-admin is what I used
[07:03] <Griswold> System->Administration->Shared Folders is where to find it.
[07:04] <quentusrex> Anyone know why the kernel 2.6.24-12 generic would fail to boot???
[07:04] <JohnPhys> Griswold:  That's my question. The shares-admin command seems to be provided by the gnome-system-tools package, which is not installed (there's no "Shared Folders" menu item) on a Hardy Beta clean install.
[07:05] <Griswold> Oh, I see
[07:05] <earl> does anyone know a fair amount about powernowd?
[07:05] <Griswold> JohnPhys, I just did an upgrade.
[07:05] <JohnPhys> Griswold:  I guessed so :)
[07:05] <Griswold> Maybe ask in the devel channel?
[07:05] <JohnPhys> I did, they suggested that topic was more suited over here
[07:05] <Griswold> Ahh
[07:05] <JohnPhys> *better, not more
[07:06] <Griswold> Maybe open a launchpad bug?
[07:06] <JohnPhys> also tried searching ubuntuforums.org, as well as bugs/answers/blueprints in launchpad
[07:06] <RAOF> earl: A better way of finding out what you want is to just ask your question about powernowd, and then people can see if they know the answer.
[07:07] <earl> i'm curious as to whether or not it's a good idea to reduce the poll interval to like 100ms or maybe 10ms.
[07:08] <RAOF> 10ms is likely to be counterproductive, you'll be waking the cpu at 100Hz.
[07:10] <RAOF> earl: What exactly would you like the result of your change to be?  Faster system?  Lower power consumption?
[07:10] <earl> a little bit of both i guess?
[07:10] <digin4> zOMG
[07:10] <DanaG> Damn, I wish manufacturers would make their damn drives in nice even sizes.  None of this "698.64GB" stuff.
[07:10] <DanaG> It' makes it REEEEALLY hard to decide how to divide partitions.
[07:10] <earl> i just figure reducing the poll interval would make it increase quicker to meet load, and subsequently turn it down quicker when its no longer necessary
[07:11] <earl> but i do realize there's an upper limit to the returns from this
[07:11] <DanaG> (note: hard to decide, not hard to calculate)
[07:12] <RAOF> earl: That would make sense, but it's quite possible that 1s is the right interval.  The transition busy->not busy doesn't really happen very often, and you don't want to substantially increase your baseload wakeups.
[07:12] <earl> i guess
[07:12] <earl> is powernowd new in hardy?
[07:12] <RAOF> No, not at all.
[07:12] <RAOF> Been there for _ages_.
[07:13] <earl> up until hardy, i used kubuntu. and there was a neat little applet that let you set power states... has gnome just never had one?
[07:13] <DanaG> Intel could've singlehandedly saved the world perhaps millions or billions of watts, without ditching P4, if they had merely included SpeedStep on ALL processors.
[07:13] <RAOF> earl: Oh, it's got some.  The CPUfreq applet.
[07:14] <earl> raof: the panel applet? far as i can tell that doesn't give me any control over anything other htan appearance
[07:14] <RAOF> earl: You need to have them installed suid root, which we don't do by default, so you can't change the freq.
[07:14] <earl> is it trivial to change that?
[07:14] <RAOF> Also, there's a couple of hidden switches in gconf under gnome-power-manager.  On the basis that you generally don't want to actually change
[07:14] <RAOF> policy very often.
[07:15] <RAOF> earl: Yeah, totally.  sudo chmod +s /wherever/the/applet/is, I think.
[07:15] <earl> what do you mean, "don't want to"
[07:16] <digin4> DO NOT WANT!
[07:16] <earl> DO NOT WANTTT
[07:16] <earl> No seriously though
[07:16] <RAOF> As in, you generally want to set it to a sane default, and forget it?
[07:16] <digin4> ;)
[07:16] <earl> well
[07:16] <earl> i like having the ability to set it to minimum
[07:16] <earl> or to maximum
[07:17] <earl> or to automatic
[07:17] <earl> the kde applet let me do that. i was happy.
[07:17] <RAOF> Yeah, well.  For that, the magic /apps/gnome-power-manager/ui/cpufreq_show boolean is provided for you.
[07:18] <pwuertz> hi, since hardy nautilus does not use the labels of my local filesystems anymore.. instead, my filesystems appear as "20.0 GB Media"... which is irritating if you have 2 filesystems with the same size
[07:18] <pwuertz> so you cannot distinguish between them
[07:19] <pwuertz> is there a way to convince nautilus to use labels instead of sizes?
[07:19] <RAOF> pwuertz: Mine does, actually.  But only the filesystem label, or somesuch.
[07:20] <pwuertz> RAOF: for removable media or for local filesystems as well?
[07:20] <pwuertz> because removable media appears by name as you would expect
[07:20] <earl> raof: not sure i understood that last comment
[07:20] <RAOF> Oh, I don't have any unfstab'd local filesystems.
[07:21] <RAOF> earl: Ah.  Fire up gconf-editor, navigate to apps->gnome-power-manager->ui and check the "cpufreq_show" box.
[07:21] <pwuertz> RAOF: oh my are fstab'd... but on the desktop.. the mounted filesystems appear by size
[07:22] <RAOF> Hm.  ???  Dunno.
[07:22] <earl> OH gnome-power-manager is the applet that shows whether or not i'm running on battery power?
[07:22] <RAOF> Yes.
[07:22] <RAOF> And has the "suspend" and whatnot, and power graphs, and such.
[07:23] <earl> no wonder gnome-power-manager in aterminal didn't do anything
[07:23] <earl> lol
[07:23] <RAOF> Heh.
[07:23] <earl> man my computer still won't suspend
[07:23] <earl> even though fglrx 8.3 is supposed to work with suspend, it does not
[07:23] <pwuertz> RAOF: like... I have 2 filesystems mounted at /media/data(1|2)... mounted by fstab ..... and nautilus places "20.0 GB Media" icons on the desktop
[07:23] <RAOF> pwuertz: That's kinda annoying.  Maybe bug-file-worthy?
[07:24] <RAOF> earl: Hah.  Restricted drivers = fail.
[07:24] <earl> oh yes they fail heartily
[07:24] <pwuertz> RAOF: oki
[07:24] <earl> but i want my compiz. =)
[07:24]  * RAOF continues to watch nouveau clone at the princely rate of 14KiB/s.
[07:24] <earl> i should also set icon policy to "always" huh?
[07:24] <RAOF> Probably useful, yeah :)
[07:26] <earl> so i checked that box and there doesn't seem to be any added control. is it because i still haven't chmod'ed that other thing
[07:26] <pwuertz> RAOF: most of the filesystem-detection stuff is done through Hal these days... can I get a list of the systems as reported by hal?
[07:27] <RAOF> No.  Right click->Preferences, and the "on battery" and "on AC" tabs will have the CPUFreq policy associated with them.
[07:29] <earl> RAOF: http://img518.imageshack.us/img518/8145/screenshotpowermanagemeve9.png
[07:29] <RAOF> You've flicked the gconf switch to true?
[07:30] <earl> http://img404.imageshack.us/img404/3900/screenshotconfigurationae8.png
[07:32] <fr500> hey
[07:32] <fr500> recently i read about a small ubuntu variant for vmware applications
[07:32] <fr500> what was it's name?
[07:33] <earl> RAOF: there's a tab under gnome-power-manager called cpufreq. doesnt seem to be anything useful in there though
[07:35] <earl> RAOF: found the problem. it's because i gconf-editor'ed as root
[07:36] <RAOF> Hah, right.
[07:36] <earl> whaaat
[07:37] <earl> how am i supposed to know! it's a configuration program, i figured i should sudo it
[07:37] <DanaG> !gksu
[07:37] <ubotu> If you need to run graphical applications as root, use « gksudo », as it will set up the environment more appropriately. Never just use "sudo"! (See http://psychocats.net/ubuntu/graphicalsudo to know why)
[07:37] <DanaG> hah!
[07:37] <DanaG> Well, now you know for the future.
[07:37] <earl> and knowing is half the battle!
[07:38] <earl> 'CAUSE KNOWLEDGE IS POWER
[07:38] <DanaG> Oh hey, speaking of labels.... how do you set an NTFS volume label?
[07:38] <DanaG> Oh, and for a backup drive, am I better off with ext2 or ext3?
[07:39] <DanaG> The partition will be 230GB.
[07:39] <earl> brb. gonna see if the latest round of updates fixed my wireless
[07:39] <pwuertz> why not use ext3?
[07:40] <pwuertz> is there a reason for choosing ext2 over ext3?
[07:41] <DanaG> Yay, I love how Firewire has DMA.
[07:41] <DanaG> Biiiiiig difference in CPU usage.
[07:41] <DanaG> USB 2.0 sucks.
[07:42] <DanaG> Along with the thing of sudo versus gksu/gksudo, I prefer aptitude over apt-get.
[07:43] <_ruben> fr500: JeOS
[07:43] <JohnPhys> DanaG:  yeah, but I think synaptic uses apt-get, and mixing aptitude and apt-get isn't the best thing, iirc.  They don't track each other's dependencies.
[07:43] <Plantain> Do I have to use updatemanager -d to do that Hardy upgrade? Can I no longer just edit sources.list and replace gutsy with hardy?
[07:43] <_ruben> (just enough os)
[07:44] <JohnPhys> Plantain:  I don't think it's *ever* a good idea to just do that, as there are a lot of packages that need to be removed, config files changed, etc., that I think the updatemanager handles.
[07:44] <DanaG> I use aptitude almost exclusively.
[07:44] <DanaG> For dist-upgrading, it takes quite a bit of wrangling, though.
[07:45] <Plantain> JohnPhys: Do you know of any way I can specify the mirrors it uses then? update-manager wants to download 1.2GB, which will take days from the US Ubuntu mirror :/
[07:45] <Birmaan> morning
[07:45] <DanaG> That thing it'll do from sources.list, won't it?
[07:46] <Plantain> DanaG: It rewrites that with US Mirrors :/.
[07:46] <DanaG> I'd call that trampling.
[07:46] <DanaG> What happens if you have additional custom mirrors?
[07:47] <Plantain> It disables them
[07:49] <DanaG> Any of you use simple-backup?
[07:49] <DanaG> Does it do hardlinks for incremental backups?
[07:53] <Lynoure> DanaG: I'm a dirvish fan myself
[07:53] <DanaG> Dirvish?
[07:54] <Lynoure> Can you rephrase the question? I have problem understanding one word questions
[07:54] <JohnPhys> DanaG:  I've  tried, but have never been able to get it to work
[07:55] <Lynoure> DanaG: or, I can take a wild shot: "Yes, really, Dirvish" or "it's a rsync based system for hardlinked incremental backups"
[07:55] <JohnPhys> Plantain:  I think it just uses the mirrors in your sources.list file, actually
[07:55] <jbroome> DanaG: from the webpage:  Sbackup doesn’t create a new backup file each time it runs and it creates an incremental backup.
[07:56] <Plantain> JohnPhys: It pops up with an error complaining that my mirrors don't work, then rewrites them
[07:57] <JohnPhys> hmm....are the mirrors you are specifying functioning?  do they actually have hardy?
[07:57] <DanaG> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/TimeVault
[07:58] <DanaG> I like what "faubackup" does, but I'd like something more automatic, and less obtrusive.
[07:59] <Lynoure> DanaG: what I use is nightly-automatic, non obstrusive. But one could automate faubackup too, I think
[08:01] <Lynoure> Gone now, I think I'm in his ignore or something.
[08:03] <DanaG> I'm still here.
[08:04] <spiniker> hello how can i adjust screen resolution on hardy,im stuck with 800x600 screen,i was wondering if i could increase it..im using an hp laptop
[08:04] <cptflee> Dana, isnt it woman's name?
[08:04] <DanaG> Yeah, but I'm a guy.  The name is sort of both, actually.
[08:05] <jbroome> !tell spiniker about resolution
[08:05] <_ruben> dana international was sort both as well </ot>
[08:05] <cptflee> lol
[08:05] <_ruben> +of
[08:06] <spiniker> yes jbroome?
[08:06] <spiniker> can u help me?
[08:06] <jbroome> !resolution
[08:06] <ubotu> The X Window System is the part of your system that's responsible for graphical output. To restart your X, type « sudo /etc/init.d/?dm restart » in a console - To fix screen resolution or other X problems: http://help.ubuntu.com/community/FixVideoResolutionHowto
[08:09] <DanaG> Worst thing about having a new big hard drive: deciding how to partition it.  Damn 3 OSes: OS X, Windows, and Linux -- there's no "one filesystem to rule them all"
[08:10] <DanaG> Thus, I have to decide how much space to use for each partition.
[08:10] <DanaG> And then I just realized I hadn't accounted for my random-stuff partition on another hard drive.
[08:10] <hischild_> and you could start all over again? :p
[08:11] <jbroome> I didn't give my win partition enough space when i set it up.  I had no idea Steam used so much space
[08:11] <DanaG> Well, luckily, I haven't backed up anything onto it yet, so all I'd have to redo is finding the partition sizes.
[08:11] <cptflee> i have 3 hdds, ussualy use 1st 30 gb for OSes
[08:11] <cptflee> rest for data
[08:11] <DanaG> Internal drive:  200 GB:  5.25 recovery partition, 30 OS X, 90 Vista, 60 Hardy.
[08:12] <cptflee> dont use many partitions, it fragment data a lot
[08:12] <DanaG> Well, what filesystems out there can do this:
[08:12] <DanaG> hardlink, files over 4GB, readable and writable by ALL 3 OSes. ?
[08:12] <cptflee> can osx access ntfs or ext3?
[08:12] <jbroome> oof.  HFS+ is the sticker
[08:13] <cptflee> you may try installing third party driver also
[08:13] <DanaG> Hmm, I'd have to get MacDrive... but it might be worth it... as long as it does removable drives and can replicate permissions.
[08:13] <DanaG> Oh, but then I wouldn't be able to use the built-in restore thingy on the Vista DVD.
[08:13] <orvokki> Hmm, iirc OS X can r NTFS and r/w ext3 but can't format either.
[08:14] <cptflee> so windows can do ext3 too
[08:14] <DanaG> Yeah, but if it's uncleanly unmounted, it wants to format the partition, instead of making it RO.
[08:14] <DanaG> That's stupid.
[08:15] <orvokki> Windows can only do ext3 with a special driver and some consider those unstable.
[08:16] <cptflee> FAT32?
[08:16] <DanaG> No hardlinks, no files above 4GB, and it's prone to random "OH hey, a hole!  Let's truncate!"
[08:16] <JohnPhys> fat32 can't handle files over 4GB
[08:16] <cptflee> mm not for big hdds probably
[08:17] <jbroome> fat32 can DIAF
[08:17] <jbroome> obviously the solution is to get a big 'ole PowerMac and run vista/hardy in parallels. :)
[08:17] <jbroome> err, macpro.  sorry
[08:18] <DanaG> Can it run HL2?
[08:18] <jbroome> Hum, bootcamp vista then.
[08:18] <cptflee> http://gentoo-wiki.com/Ext3_in_windows
[08:19] <DanaG> That won't work on the boot DVD.
[08:19] <jbroome> then you're fooked
[08:19] <orvokki> DanaG: Heh, even Linux can run HL2. ;>
[08:19] <gatestone> How do I make gnome-terminal open full screen be default?
[08:20] <DanaG> Not through PulseAudio, though.
[08:20] <cptflee> orvokki: with half performance of windows? and bugs probably
[08:20] <DanaG> Wine + PulseAudio == no worky.
[08:20] <orvokki> cptflee: Eh, Wine is about as fast as Windows when it works usually.
[08:20] <orvokki> Sometimes slower, sometimes faster.
[08:20] <DanaG> And Creative's "Host OpenAL" (host-based OpenAL with EAX) doesn't work under Wine, even though it's just a few DLL files.
[08:20] <cptflee> orvokki: wrong
[08:21] <cptflee> orvokki: this not applies to direct3d-opengl translation
[08:21] <jbroome> gatestone: there's a --geometry switch to gnome-terminal.  Using that in the shortcut to terminal should get you what you're looking for
[08:21]  * DanaG loves having a Hitachi 7K200-200 in his laptop.
[08:22] <DanaG> Best thing I've done with it: boot Ultimate Boot CD, run Hitachi Feature Tool, and set APM to something like 200, with it being a PERSISTENT setting.
[08:22] <orvokki> cptflee: Compiz has so far been the more significant reduction in performance though.
[08:22] <gatestone> jbroome, thx, I'll do that but I'd like to that be saved to gnome-terminal profile...
[08:22] <cptflee> orvokki: how compiz relate to wine?
[08:23] <orvokki> cptflee: When Compiz is running, all OpenGL rendering goes through Compiz.
[08:23] <orvokki> Thus all OpenGL applications and games turn slower.
[08:23] <cptflee> orvokki: running wine with compiz enabled not recommended
[08:23]  * DanaG currently only has 128MB of VRAM.
[08:24] <orvokki> cptflee: Yes. Most Ubuntu users probably still does it though since Ubuntu has Compiz Fusion on by default. ;>
[08:24] <cptflee> "Don't use Compiz or KDE composite with Wine" from #wine topic
[08:25] <hischild_> funny
[08:25] <hischild_> i never have a problem with it
[08:25] <DanaG> Wine doesn't work for me, because I insist on running stuff through PulseAudio.
[08:25] <Zvezdichko> what if you use kde4
[08:25] <cptflee> orvokki: 3dmark06, vista 8099, wine 2111
[08:25] <ubotu> Wine bug 2111 in -unknown "Microchip MPLAB 5.70 dialogs doesnt work" [Normal,Closed: abandoned] http://bugs.winehq.org/show_bug.cgi?id=2111
[08:25] <Zvezdichko> Kwin should be the default
[08:25] <orvokki> hischild_: It's a performance issue at the very least and it's known to trigger some bugs in the past.
[08:25] <jbroome> speaking of compiz, i'm getting a "The Composite extension is not available" error when i bump up the visual effects.  I should probably track that down in my xorg.conf
[08:26] <orvokki> DanaG: Well, yeah. PulseAudio is also not recommended because of sound latency issues.
[08:26] <orvokki> (Possible sound latency issues anyway)
[08:26] <hischild_> orvokki: what's the alternative?metacity? because i experience no difference between the 2
[08:27] <orvokki> hischild_: Did you completely disable Composite from xorg.conf?
[08:27] <cptflee> hischild_: i even cant run native linux opengl apps correcly with compiz enabled
[08:27] <hischild_> cptflee: ati?
[08:27] <zniavre> hello
[08:27] <hischild_> orvokki: no
[08:27] <cptflee> cptflee: nvidia
[08:27] <hischild_> cptflee: odd
[08:28] <zniavre> i wondering wich tool got the truth for my screen resolution >http://img379.imageshack.us/img379/2195/hardy1ri7.jpg
[08:28]  * DanaG hopes ATI will be decent enough to switch to, by the end of June.
[08:28] <orvokki> hischild_: Did you kill compiz off altogether so it's not running in the background?
[08:28] <DanaG> I'm so sick of nvidia issues (Windows AND Linux).
[08:28] <cptflee> DanaG: welcome to ati issues
[08:28] <DanaG> And I want to support a company that (now) supports open-source.
[08:28] <cptflee> ;)
[08:28] <hischild_> orvokki: i switched by executing metacity --replace ...
[08:29] <orvokki> DanaG: *shrug* I've heard claims that Xorg devs like Intel drivers the most.
[08:29] <cptflee> i hope larabree will be good
[08:29] <cptflee> larrabee
[08:30] <orvokki> hischild_: Heh, I wouldn't personally trust on that without seeing it actually shut down the Compiz process.
[08:30] <hischild_> orvokki: i can understand from your point of view ... yet for me it still works like a charm :-) (both on an 7000M and 8600 GT)
[08:31] <orvokki> Right. It works for me too and I accept possible performance loss since it's not noticeable for me currently.
[08:32] <orvokki> But that doesn't mean there isn't any. :)
[08:32] <orvokki> It just goes to the benchmarking area.
[08:33] <orvokki> Even the claimed 15% performance loss isn't really significant for older games.
[08:34] <hischild_> orvokki: i never experienced even a single percent loss .... tbh wine runs games better for me then windows would .... for example audiosurf ....
[08:34] <sintacto> bash fonts are messed up after upgrade
[08:34] <DanaG> Heh, I had divided up my space according to proportions on my two partitions -- but then I realized that:  oops, I forgot about my 178.52GiB of random stuff.
[08:34] <DanaG> I should probably go through that random stuff some time and weed out what I'll likely never use again.
[08:34] <sintacto> some letters are touching eachother
[08:34] <cptflee> hischild_: try benchmark Oblivion
[08:34] <cptflee> you will be surprised
[08:35] <hischild_> cptflee: never tried the game ... dont have it either :P
[08:35] <cptflee> hischild_: its best
[08:35] <sintacto> i am a bot
[08:35] <sintacto> ignore me
[08:35] <DanaG> I'll have to boot Windows to do that; I'd rather go to bed for now, for tonight.
[08:35] <hischild_> cptflee: the game? it's not really my style
[08:36] <cptflee> hischild_: what you play than? casual gamer?
[08:36] <sintacto> games are for kids
[08:36] <DanaG> so says you.
[08:36] <DanaG> Other people may disagree.
[08:36] <sintacto> me
[08:36] <hischild_> cptflee: hardcore fps gamer ... windows only though (sourceforts mainly, mod of hl2dm)
[08:36] <sintacto> chess?
[08:37] <orvokki> Chess is for computers. :P
[08:37] <DanaG> Oh yeah, garry's mod pulls in essentially ALL Source stuff you own.
[08:37] <cptflee> hischild_: hardcore fps? then i can recommend rainbow six vegas
[08:37] <DanaG> it takes a quantifier-that-sounds-very-large-and-contains-at-least-one-swear-word of hard drive space.
[08:37] <hischild_> cptflee: i've heard about the game, yet never played it. Been to much occupied with my own game :P
[08:38] <cptflee> hischild_: dunno how you may call you hardcore gamer, even dont know about most popular games
[08:38] <hischild_> DanaG: i know. Steam itself hits 20 Gb+
[08:38] <orvokki> Whoa.
[08:38] <sintacto> hard core!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
[08:38] <orvokki> Well, luckily hard disk space is cheap nowadays.
[08:39] <sintacto> rock on dudes
[08:39] <cptflee> i mean not played
[08:39] <DanaG> Viva la 200GB 7200RPM notebook drive!
[08:39] <orvokki> ^^
[08:39] <sintacto> viva!
[08:39] <hischild_> cptflee: hardcore isn't defined by how many games you know, but how much hour and skill you put into it ...
[08:39] <sintacto> hardcore = no friends
[08:39] <orvokki> DanaG: I buy 500GB drives myself nowadays. They seem to have the best space/price ratio.
[08:39] <DanaG> Lately I haven't been able to play games.  I've been getting hard lockups.
[08:40] <cptflee> hischild_: do you play Urban Terror? other popular linux games
[08:40] <hischild_> sintacto: if you think so, then so be it =)
[08:40] <DanaG> 7200RPM?  Notebook?
[08:40] <orvokki> Buy an external one? ;>
[08:40] <hischild_> cptflee: i only made the switch about a month ago, my games still are on windows .... thus no
[08:40] <DanaG> Anything that causes heavy GPU and heavy disk activity tends to cause hard-lockups on my computer.
[08:40] <DanaG> That makes it even harder to decide how to split up the partitions.
[08:40] <hischild_> cptflee: if you can recommend some, i'd appriciate it
[08:41] <sintacto> off topic
[08:41] <cptflee> hischild_: actually Urban Terror is cross-platform, quake2/counter strike mix, very addicting. also alienarena, world of padman...
[08:41] <DanaG> Now I have 3 OSes to back up, one recovery partition (Firefox profile, which won't need snapshots), and a huge amount of space for media and games.
[08:41] <sintacto> try #hardcoregamer
[08:41] <hischild_> cptflee: let me look into those.
[08:42]  * orvokki makes a mental note about Urban Terror
[08:42] <DanaG> Too many things to back up!
[08:42] <hischild_> DanaG: get a new HD
[08:42] <DanaG> No "One filesystem to rule them all" !
[08:42] <DanaG> I just DID.
[08:42] <DanaG> That's why I'm having issues deciding how to partition.... the NEW one!
[08:42] <hischild_> hehe good luck ;)
[08:42] <sintacto> $$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$
[08:42] <DanaG> 698.86GB.
[08:42] <sintacto> $$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$
[08:42] <DanaG> £££££££££££££¤
[08:43] <DanaG> €€€€€€€€€€€
[08:43] <DanaG> ¢¢¢¢¢¢¢¢
[08:43] <DanaG> Sorry, I just HaaaaAAd to do that.
[08:43] <orvokki> C-C-C-COMBO BREAKER!
[08:43] <orvokki> Sorry. :P
[08:43] <DanaG> £€€T.
[08:43] <cptflee> DanaG: may you benchmark it for me? sudo hdparm -tT /dev/whatever
[08:44] <DanaG> "My Book Home" -- on FW400.
[08:44] <DanaG>  Timing cached reads:   2252 MB in  2.00 seconds = 1126.90 MB/sec
[08:44] <DanaG>  Timing buffered disk reads:  112 MB in  3.03 seconds =  36.99 MB/sec
[08:45] <cptflee> something is wrong
[08:45] <cptflee> my segate 750 gb is doing 75 MB/sec
[08:45] <DanaG> Firewire 400?
[08:45] <cptflee> mmm no
[08:45] <cptflee> sata 2
[08:45] <DanaG> aah.
[08:48] <DanaG> I just un-partitioned the drive, so I can re-decide later how to divide the space.
[08:48] <cptflee> FireWire 400 can transfer data between devices at 100, 200, or 400 Mbit/s half-duplex data rates (the actual transfer rates are 98.304, 196.608, and 393.216 Mbit/s, i.e. 12.288, 24.576 and 49.152 megabytes per second respectively)
[08:48] <DanaG> But first, I need to weed out stuff I'll never use again.
[08:48] <cptflee> 49 MB/sec
[08:48] <_ruben> use lvm .. you can easily repartition when needed
[08:48] <DanaG> Umm, lvm for ntfs?  for hfs+ ?
[08:48] <DanaG> Nope.
[08:50] <DanaG> Heh, for some reason, gparted is using 128 sectors (64.00 KiB) blocks for resizing my ntfs.
[08:50] <DanaG> That's rather slow.
[08:53]  * DanaG wishes somebody would force hard drive manufacturers to at least mark GiB sizes.
[08:53] <DanaG> 750 → 698.81
[08:54] <Wobbo> is the ubuntu-human murine theme in it's definitive stage?
[08:54] <DanaG> (750-698.81) / 750 == 6.83%.
[08:56]  * DanaG is is £€€T.
[08:56] <DanaG> Sure beets just digits --- oops, "beets".
[08:56] <DanaG> heh.
[08:57] <DanaG> Dang, now I'm hungry.
[08:57] <_ruben> gotta love marketing ..
[08:58] <cptflee> its not marketing, they probably always used 2*10 system
[08:58] <DanaG> Everything else under the sun uses binary, though.
[08:58] <cptflee> no, ISPs use decimal too
[08:58] <_ruben> got the same "issue" on my raid arrays .. 6x200GB (raid5) = 960GB .. 6x250GB (raid5) = 1.2TB :/
[08:58] <DanaG> YOu don't see 1GB == 0.977GiB DIMMs, do you?
[08:59] <cptflee> 100 Mbit is decimal
[08:59] <_ruben> OS's use binary .. manufacturers use decimal .. hence marketing .. hence profit
[08:59] <cptflee> this is OS problem not conforming to standarts
[08:59]  * DanaG once remembers having a 1.4 MB file and cursing floppy drives for only being 1.38MB.
[09:00] <cptflee> 1 GB = 1000 MB
[09:00] <Trewas> DanaG: that's exactly the reason why every program and device should be using si-based units, so there is no ambiguity whether 4500MB will fit to 4.7GB DVD and so on
[09:01] <DanaG> Okay, do you want a 976.56MB DIMM?
[09:01] <cptflee> 1 GiB will be ok
[09:01] <DanaG> MiB.
[09:01] <_ruben> cptflee: sure .. since i highly doubt disk manafucturers are trying to force the os writers to change their implementation, i do believe they conform to the standards from a marketing perspective
[09:02] <orvokki> I'd actually prefer base 2 for all computer-related stuff.
[09:02] <DanaG> I do, too.
[09:02] <DanaG> And why do ISPs use bits when files and memory and hard drive space and everything else uses bytes?
[09:02] <DanaG> Oh, to sound better.
[09:02] <Trewas> MiB/GiB units are fine where the device really is "binary-sized", but for mass-media etc they are not
[09:02] <DanaG> 3 megabits sounds better than 384 megabytes.
[09:03] <DanaG> er
[09:03] <DanaG> kilobytes on the latter.
[09:03] <DanaG> So, they should've been forced to make devices binary-sized.
[09:03] <DanaG> That seems better to me.
[09:03] <DanaG> Or at least, market them in those units, so it sounds better to use binary sizes.
[09:03] <Trewas> no, because with binary units you have to whip up a calculator to do conversions between units, which is very user-unfriendly
[09:04] <DanaG> At least then perhaps my 750GB drive would be 700GiB, not 698.86.
[09:04] <DanaG> That's a really annoying number to deal with.
[09:04] <cptflee> lol
[09:04] <DanaG> 1.14 GiB difference.
[09:04] <jbroome> yeah, my 500 gb drive is really 459.
[09:05] <DanaG> po459.something_ugly, I bet.
[09:05] <DanaG> er.
[09:05] <cptflee> my hdd is ok, 750 GB as advertised
[09:05] <cptflee> ;/
[09:05] <orvokki> I personally find it logical that kilo is 2^10, mega is 2^20 etc.
[09:05] <tanner> GB != GiB
[09:05] <orvokki> Erm.
[09:06] <orvokki> Dammit, should not think while being morning tired.
[09:06] <orvokki> Anyway, they follow that route.
[09:06] <DanaG> Heh, you know you're nerdy when you spend time debating units.
[09:06]  * tanner should not try to think while outstandingly bored
[09:06] <jbroome> yeah, it's 4am here, i'm going to bed
[09:06] <orvokki> And yeah, I did mean what I said.
[09:06] <DanaG> 1:06 AM here.
[09:06] <tanner> DanaG: where abouts?
[09:06] <DanaG> Pacific timezone.
[09:06] <tanner> erm, that was obvious
[09:07] <DanaG> Oh yeah, gparted uses GiB but marks them as GB.
[09:07] <DanaG> Lame.
[09:07] <Dusti[n]> any idea why my sound isnt working now that i upgraded to hardy?
[09:07] <tanner> DanaG: what state do you live in
[09:07] <tanner> or perhaps BC?
[09:07] <DanaG> CA.
[09:07] <orvokki> Dusti[n]: Which program or all?
[09:07] <DanaG> Oh, and is 1 GB == 1000 MB * 1024 MB/KB?
[09:07] <DanaG> or is the latter thing 1000?
[09:08] <DanaG> Another layer of confusion.
[09:08] <tanner> yes, 1k
[09:08] <orvokki> DanaG: It would all be simple if 1 GB == 2^30 B.
[09:08] <DanaG> er, 1000 MB / GB * 1024 KB / MB
[09:08] <tanner> 1000*1000
[09:09] <orvokki> 1 TB == 2^40 B etc.
[09:09] <tanner> 1 GB is equal to 1000 megabytes
[09:09] <DanaG> 750 GB * (1000/1024)^3 = 698.49.  That's not 698.86!
[09:10] <warren_> hi
[09:10] <DanaG> 750 GB * (1000/1024)^2 = 715.26.
[09:10] <DanaG> Fine, market stuff in GB, but for god's sake, round the ACTUAL thing to something nice and not ugly.
[09:10] <cptflee> DanaG: weird
[09:10] <warren_> i tried kubuntu hardy and find it quite better than gutsy but i couldn't get my nvidia geforce 7600GT to work
[09:11] <DanaG> Just adding 1.2 GiB to the thing... too much to ask?
[09:11] <orvokki> warren_: Which CPU?
[09:11] <warren_> i saw first you can't install it automatically :( so i installed the nvidia-glx package
[09:11] <warren_> pentium 4
[09:11] <orvokki> Or rather, is it i386 or x86_64?
[09:11] <warren_> but that doesn't matter?
[09:11] <warren_> i386
[09:11] <orvokki> Might. I think x86_64 nvidia kernel modules are broken.
[09:12] <warren_> it is i386
[09:12] <orvokki> Right, can't be that then.
[09:12] <warren_> glxinfo | grep rendering  :
[09:12] <warren_> extension "GLX" missing on display ":0.0".
[09:12] <orvokki> You're likely having nv driver now then instead of nvidia?
[09:12] <warren_> Error: couldn't find RGB GLX visual
[09:12] <cptflee> so you installed driver, you enabled it?
[09:13] <warren_> erm
[09:13] <warren_> i simply installed nvidia-glx
[09:13] <orvokki> Since nv driver would give that kind of info.
[09:13] <warren_> doesn't the package configure itself?
[09:13] <cptflee> last time i checked you also should enable it with nvidia-xconfig
[09:13] <warren_> ok
[09:14] <DanaG> Bedtime for me now.
[09:14] <cptflee> but i think you should get nvidia-glx-new
[09:14] <cptflee> this one probably auto enable itslef
[09:14] <warren_> ok
[09:14] <cptflee> itself
[09:14] <warren_> did a nvidia-xconfig
[09:14] <warren_> will login again
[09:14] <warren_> thanks
[09:14] <orvokki> Yeah, you should use nvidia-glx-new if it works for your card.
[09:15] <DanaG> Oh hey, did you know nvidia has on-demand vblank interrupts?
[09:15] <DanaG> You just have to manually enable it in xorg.conf.
[09:15] <orvokki> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Binary_prefix Hey, cool. A wikipedia article of what we were talking about. ;>
[09:16] <cptflee> yeah manually enabling driver is better, xconfig messes with xorg.conf too much
[09:18] <orvokki> Right, so part of the confusion apparently might be because some of the early computers used binary addressing and some decimal addressing...
[09:22] <orvokki> The situation was clarified in January 1999 with the introduction of kiB and so. k is now never binary, ki is. Right, nice to have that cleared out.
[09:22] <AnswerGuy> Will someone please tell me how to customize the LiveCD so that a terminal icon appears on the top panel (next to, or even instead of the evolution launcher)?
[09:23] <AnswerGuy> I've played with gconftool-2 'til my eyes are bleeding and I can never find where the help the thing is being kept!
[09:24] <AnswerGuy> orvokki I heard that KiB was for decimal "kilobytes" and that K was for binary
[09:24] <AnswerGuy> Likewise for MiB and GiB vs. MB and GB
[09:24] <orvokki> 'In January 1999, the International Electrotechnical Commission introduced the prefixes kibi-(Kibibyte), mebi-, gibi-, etc., and the symbols Ki, Mi, Gi, etc. to specify binary multiples of a quantity and eliminate this ambiguity.[19] The names for the new standard are derived from the first two letters of the original SI prefixes followed by bi, short for "binary".'
[09:25] <AnswerGuy> Wonderful.  Glad they cleared that up for us.   NOT
[09:25] <orvokki> kibibyte == kiB == binary
[09:26] <AnswerGuy> That ignored 30 years of prior usage among computer professional (with regard to kilobyte, megabyte, etc.
[09:26] <orvokki> Actually wrong. Before both meanings were just as accepted.
[09:26] <orvokki> The former meaning was that MB is can be both binary and decimal.
[09:26] <orvokki> Now it at least means one thing.
[09:27] <AnswerGuy> Well, it was common knowlege that memory was measured in binary KB while disks and tapes were measured in "rounded off" (decimal) MB, GB, etc.
[09:27] <AnswerGuy> No, it doesn't mean just one thing.
[09:27] <warren_> hi again works
[09:27] <fraroco> hello everybody. I've installed hardy. I changed the screen and graphics setup for my laptop and I did it bad. how can I know what the correct resolution I should have chosen next time?
[09:27] <orvokki> Yes, it does. M is always SI mega.
[09:28] <warren_> has someone seen that in kubuntu gdebi-kde is unabl to install a package?
[09:28] <AnswerGuy> It means that *maybe* the guy who's talking to you is following one convention, or the other, or is confused by what KiB and MiB is supposed to mean.
[09:28] <orvokki> :P
[09:28] <orvokki> Well, true.
[09:28] <AnswerGuy> orvokki That's nice of them to declare that --- but it doesn't actually change the meaning in any practical way.
[09:29] <orvokki> AnswerGuy: Though "common knowledge" is a bit of a tricky thing. What if one manufacturer decides it's beneficial for them to use the different one?
[09:29] <AnswerGuy> So does anyone here know how to get gconftool-2 to add something to your default top panel for new accounts (like when booting the LiveCD and it creates the ubuntu desktop?
[09:29] <orvokki> Also addressing was either binary or decimal in early computers depending on the particular computer. ;>
[09:30] <orvokki> And no, I wouldn't.
[09:31] <AnswerGuy> Well for small numbers of Megabytes the round off between binary and decimal was pretty inconsequenctial
[09:31] <visik7> hi, does the new version of rhythmbox comein' with Hardy has support for some kind of mp3 portable player ??
[09:31] <AnswerGuy> inconsequential even
[09:31] <AnswerGuy> When you get up towards a TB then it gets  to irritating consumers.
[09:32]  * AnswerGuy things gconf is the result of a Microsoft plot!!!
[09:32] <orvokki> *shrug* That's why terms shouldn't have been made ambiguous in the first place.
[09:32]  * AnswerGuy thinks even!!!
[09:41] <twb> Is there a reason xulrunner is 1.8 but xulrunner-1.9 is (obviously) 1.9, both in hardy?
[09:41] <twb> I'd have thought the former would become a dummy package for the latter.
[09:43] <warren_> To all Kubuntu users, can someone read this bug: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/gdebi/+bug/209578 and report if they have the same problem?
[09:43] <ubotu> Launchpad bug 209578 in gdebi "gdebi-kde crashes with an memory allocation error" [Undecided,New]
[09:49] <robotjox> did something change in todays xserver-update? compiz isn't working for me
[09:49] <loa> Zvezdichko, what about our video bug?
[09:50] <loa> Have someone rendering bug with intel video card?
[09:50] <Zvezdichko> don't know, I just got up
[09:50] <Zvezdichko> :)
[09:50] <loa> good morning)
[09:52] <Zvezdichko> hmm, good morning, loa
[09:52] <Zvezdichko> where are you from ;)
[09:52] <Zvezdichko> that you are here so early :)
[09:52] <loa> Russia)
[09:52] <Zvezdichko> ochen horosho, though I don't speak russian
[09:52] <loa> Moscow
[09:52] <Zvezdichko> I'm from Bulgaria
[09:52] <loa> hehehe
[09:53] <Zvezdichko> I'd like to see Moscow, especially the Krasny Ploshad
[09:53] <Zvezdichko> :)
[09:59] <papodaca> meh im in the good ol USA
[09:59] <loa> =)
[10:00] <loa> Zvezdichko, i add mesa to our bug.
[10:00] <Zvezdichko> I saw this :)
[10:00] <loa> I try to build intel driver from git.
[10:01] <Zvezdichko> that's good
[10:01] <Zvezdichko> I prefer waiting
[10:02] <loa> xf86-video-intel it is 2d driver (
[10:02] <loa> we are lamerz))
[10:03] <Zvezdichko> we may be, but we have to point out as much information as we can so they can make a fix
[10:12] <Lunks> How to compile nvidia kernel module into kernel source I'm compiling?
[10:13] <Lunks> I've got kernel_source from repo and nvidia...sh from nvidia
[10:13] <Lunks> already did ./NVIDIA... --extract-only
[10:13] <Lunks> but dunno what to do.
[10:16] <hischild> Lunks: why are you compiling it? why not use the normal restricted one?
[10:16] <Lunks> hischild: got used to it. :>
[10:16] <Lunks> plus I wanna learn ;)
[10:17] <Lunks> Already know how to compile kernel using make-kpkg, but have no idea what to do with nvidia kernel driver =\
[10:17] <Smegzor> Since upgrading, I can try to change my wallpaper and I see the change in gconf-editor, but wallpaper on my desktop does not change until I restart X.  Whats going on and how do I fix/diagnose it?
[10:24] <Wobbo> Does the new evolution Gmail callendar feature allow read AND write?
[10:24] <Smegzor> Also I've lost the ability to manage shared folders (from the pop-up menu and from the system menu).  I tried adding it back to the system menu but after it gets my password, a lot of nothing happens.  I first noticed these missing after a Samba update, but that could be coincidence.  How do I fix that?
[10:24] <Wobbo> gmail as in google oops!
[10:26] <loa> Hello friends, is someone here who have problems with rendering on intel cards.
[10:26] <loa> Zvezdichko, your kernel is from rep?
[10:27] <Zvezdichko> loa: yep
[10:27] <loa> ok.
[10:30] <loa> Zvezdichko, kate /var/log/Xorg.0.log attach it to our bug report.
[11:09] <loa> Zvezdichko, https://bugs.launchpad.net/mesa/+bug/199823
[11:09] <ubotu> Launchpad bug 199823 in xserver-xorg-video-intel "[Hardy] Blender's 3D viewport grid looks strange " [Low,Confirmed]
[11:09] <loa> let's downgrade =)
[11:10] <Zvezdichko> Wowww
[11:10] <Zvezdichko> how did you find this
[11:11] <loa> look at mesa bug reports.
[11:12] <Zvezdichko> I have to merge both bugs
[11:12] <Zvezdichko> I mean, I have to make them duplicate
[11:12] <Zvezdichko> do you know how
[11:13] <loa> Zvezdichko, nop.
[11:13] <Zvezdichko> Found it
[11:13] <Zvezdichko> marked it as duplicate
[11:13] <loa> good.
[11:14] <loa> how i can downgrade packet in hardy from gutsy?
[11:15] <Zvezdichko> maybe manually, with dpkd -i
[11:15] <vistakiller> i see tha they have upload new linux header 2.24.13
[11:15] <vistakiller> why i dont have update?
[11:16] <loa> Zvezdichko, where i can get this packet?
[11:16] <Zvezdichko> not sure, maybe you should look into the repos of Gutsy, google them
[11:17] <loa> yeah =)
[11:17] <Zvezdichko> I have, however, another bug for reporting
[11:17] <vistakiller> anyone know?
[11:17] <vistakiller> i need to update my kernel manual?
[11:17] <Zvezdichko> Deadly Shadows fan joined here!
[11:19] <vistakiller> anyone else has get the kernel update?
[11:19] <Zvezdichko> nope
[11:20] <vistakiller> i have see now the new version
[11:20] <vistakiller> i have to update manual or i have to wait?
[11:21] <mzuverink> I have a RTL8111/8168B PCI Express Gigabit Ethernet card, it works fine when running the 32 bit desktop cd but not the 64.  Is that not supported in 64 bit yet or is it just a live cd issue?
[11:21] <loa> 64 is buggy.
[11:22] <Zvezdichko> I still don't have a 64 machine :(
[11:22] <Zvezdichko> but does it matter
[11:22] <visik7> mzuverink: RTL8111/8168B same card here 64bit
[11:23] <mzuverink> visik7, does that work for you in 64?
[11:23] <visik7> yes
[11:23] <visik7> I'm using it right now
[11:23] <visik7> mzuverink: mmm but on gutsy not hardy
[11:23] <visik7> mzuverink: but I've tested it too on hardy yesterday
[11:24] <visik7> and was working
[11:24] <visik7> I don't see any kernel upgrade so should still work
[11:24] <mzuverink> visik7, mine works fine on gutsy, but is not detected in hardy
[11:25] <laTraviata> has anyone tried to do dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg on hardy? i'm not asked for the graphic cards there, how it used to be...?
[11:27] <vistakiller> i have try
[11:27] <kuil> laTraviata: as far as I understand it tries to find the card automatically (at runtime)
[11:27] <loa> Zvezdichko, i can give you links to debs =)
[11:27] <loa> Wait i try them.
[11:27] <vistakiller> you can fix with this only the keyboard and the mouse bit not anymore the gpu and resolution
[11:28] <laTraviata> so how can i fix the gpu and resolution now?
[11:29] <vistakiller> with the tool screen and graphics
[11:31] <laTraviata> ah well...i don't have a standard installation so how is that package called? :) although that sound like a x-program....i hope they havent replaced the console way by an xserver-way only....
[11:32] <vistakiller> laTraviata there is no console way anymore
[11:32] <vistakiller> this is very bad
[11:32] <laTraviata> lol you are kidding?
[11:32] <vistakiller> you can fix your xorg.conf
[11:32] <vistakiller> with nano and edit the file
[11:33] <vistakiller> but you cant reconfigure your xserver with the old way
[11:33] <orvokki> laTraviata: The X is supposed to be idiot-proof nowadays. It will start and then you reconfigure a broken xorg.conf via graphical tools.
[11:33] <orvokki> BulletproofX or whatever.
[11:33] <vistakiller> when you go now to recovery mode there is a screen and it say to auto fox xserver
[11:34] <laTraviata> the point is that it doesnt work anymore. no of my gpus (nvidia + intel) is detected. yeah bulletproof....vesa does work but the rest doesnt...argh
[11:34] <orvokki> laTraviata: Well, try choosing the GPU while in graphical?
[11:34] <vistakiller> i have the same problem i cant install nvidia drive with driver manager
[11:34] <vistakiller> and finally i install them with envy
[11:35] <orvokki> vistakiller: i386 or x86_64?
[11:35] <laTraviata> i would, if i knew the name of the package....?
[11:35] <vistakiller> generic 386
[11:35] <orvokki> Meh!
[11:35] <orvokki> No one seems to have the same problem as I...
[11:35] <vistakiller> the package is the nvidia-glx-new
[11:36] <vistakiller> but i try to install it manual but nothing happens
[11:36] <vistakiller> i dont know but here in kubuntu the driver manager programme is break
[11:37] <laTraviata> i mean what is the name of this graphical xserver configuration tool package? i have xfce installed and there is no such program as far as i know...
[11:37] <vistakiller> is not recognize my card and that i need a driver
[11:37] <vistakiller> i think exist in xubuntu one programme let me see in vb
[11:38] <windosor> hi i'm just to install ubuntu after 15min waithing to install / load something called ''busybox v1.13'' comes up (intitramfs)? what should i do?
[11:39] <vistakiller> laTraviata i have in my xubuntu this programme
[11:39] <laTraviata> how is it called? soounds and graphics?
[11:40] <vistakiller> Screens and graphics
[11:40] <laTraviata> hm...i have only xfce4 installed and not xubuntu-desktop. maybe it is not a dependency of that.
[11:41] <vistakiller> i dont know but i have this tool in clean install
[11:42] <laTraviata> argh...i need the name of the package =) i cant find it on packages.ubuntu.com...
[11:43] <laTraviata> ok, it is called dislpayconfig-gtk
[11:43] <compwiz18> !hardy
[11:43] <ubotu> Hardy Heron is the code name for the next release of Ubuntu (8.04-LTS), due April 24, 2008 - For more info, see: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/HardyHeron - CONSIDER IT TO BE BETA SOFTWARE - Discussion and support in #ubuntu+1, NOT #ubuntu
[11:51] <vallhalla81> i keep getting a system freeze and i cant work out why can any one throw some sugestions at me
[11:52] <dns53> what are you doing? compiz can mess things up
[11:52] <vallhalla81> Add: int temp all ok ,driver all corect
[11:53] <hischild> vallhalla81: how about hardware issues?
[11:53] <vallhalla81> well some timesit is when browsing the net but some times when just playing music
[11:53] <laTraviata> lol - i really appreciate any effort taken to ease the configuration part, but killing the console way is suicidal. :( i bet that this won't be fixed in time for the final release...but let's see...
[11:54] <dns53> out of disk space? bad ram? bad drivers?
[11:54] <vallhalla81> hw is all new and suported
[11:54] <vallhalla81> i can pastbin the out put of lshw if you like
[11:54] <Ng> anything in the logs? have you run memtest overnight?
[11:54] <dns53> how new? it can take a few months for some extreemly new hardware to get drivers
[11:55] <vallhalla81> new purchase not new out sorry
[11:57] <vallhalla81> !pastbin
[11:57] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about pastbin - try searching on http://ubotu.ubuntu-nl.org/factoids.cgi
[11:57] <vallhalla81> !paste
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[11:58] <vallhalla81> http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/61731/
[11:59] <vallhalla81> Ng:memtest?
[11:59] <savvas> vallhalla81: rhythmbox for music? I get it sometimes, but couldn't reproduce it this past week, have you updated? try clearing/removing your ~/.gnome2/rhythmbox/ directory and re-import your preferences
[12:00] <Ng> vallhalla81: install the memtest86+ package and you'll get a new option in the boot menu to run memtest. leave it going for a few hours and it will thoroughly test all the RAM (bad RAM is a common cause of random crashes)
[12:01] <vallhalla81> savvas: yes rytham box
[12:02] <vallhalla81> savvas: and yes also all up to dated with uppdate
[12:03] <vallhalla81> Ng: ram has been checked and is all good
[12:03] <savvas> vallhalla81: can you paste at pastebin the output of: apt-cache policy rhythmbox
[12:04] <vallhalla81>  Installed: 0.11.5-0ubuntu1
[12:04] <vallhalla81>   Candidate: 0.11.5-0ubuntu1
[12:04] <vallhalla81>   Version table:
[12:04] <vallhalla81>  *** 0.11.5-0ubuntu1 0
[12:04] <vallhalla81>         500 http://gb.archive.ubuntu.com hardy/main Packages
[12:04] <vallhalla81>         100 /var/lib/dpkg/status
[12:04] <savvas> I said at pastebin, but ok :)
[12:04] <vallhalla81> sorry
[12:06] <savvas> vallhalla81: apt-cache policy lame vorbis-tools flac ffmpeg liblame0 gstreamer0.10-plugins-bad gstreamer0.10-plugins-good gstreamer0.10-plugins-ugly gstreamer0.10-ffmpeg gstreamer0.10-plugins-base gstreamer0.10-plugins-bad gstreamer0.10-plugins-ugly gstreamer0.10-plugins-ugly-multiverse gstreamer0.10-plugins-bad-multiverse | grep Installed
[12:06] <jc-denton> is cpu frequency scaling now broken?
[12:06] <jc-denton> it worked before
[12:06] <jc-denton> but now i get
[12:06] <savvas> vallhalla81: paste at http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org
[12:06] <jc-denton> cpufreq-selector -g powersave
[12:06] <jc-denton> No cpufreq support
[12:06] <jc-denton> ls /sys/devices/system/cpu/cpu0/
[12:06] <jc-denton> cache  cpuidle  crash_notes  topology
[12:07] <jc-denton> files for setting the governer and frequency are gone
[12:07] <vallhalla81> http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/61732/
[12:08] <savvas> vallhalla81: close rhythmbox and do this: sudo aptitude install lame vorbis-tools flac ffmpeg liblame0 gstreamer0.10-plugins-bad gstreamer0.10-plugins-good gstreamer0.10-plugins-ugly gstreamer0.10-ffmpeg gstreamer0.10-plugins-base gstreamer0.10-plugins-bad gstreamer0.10-plugins-ugly gstreamer0.10-plugins-ugly-multiverse gstreamer0.10-plugins-bad-multiverse
[12:09] <vallhalla81> all done
[12:10] <kgoetz> is hardy meant to havce no gparted, or is it simply not in uid1000's path?
[12:10] <vallhalla81>  savvas: you think that should do it?
[12:11] <shockhead> hi folks, anyone know if the linux-2.6.24-13.23 package is uploaded yet?
[12:11] <shockhead> re this bug: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/linux/+bug/201591
[12:11] <ubotu> Launchpad bug 201591 in linux "atyfb regression - screen blank except for blinking cursor after fbcon vtswitch " [Medium,Fix released]
[12:11] <shockhead> can't find it in the repositories, but it's referenced there
[12:11] <shockhead> just wondering how this stuff works :-)
[12:11] <jc-denton> shockhead: i still have..
[12:11] <jc-denton> Linux compaq 2.6.24-12-generic
[12:11] <jc-denton> and just updated
[12:12] <jc-denton> can anybody confirm that cpu frequency scaling is broken?
[12:12] <shockhead> jc-denton: i have 2.6.24-12 too
[12:12] <compwiz18> jc-denton: CPU scaling works fine here
[12:13] <compwiz18> P3, i386
[12:13] <shockhead> jc-denton: here too
[12:13] <jc-denton> what cpu?
[12:13] <savvas> vallhalla81: probably, you didn't have lame installed, which is used for mp3 :)
[12:13] <shockhead> jc-denton: intel core 2 duo t5600
[12:13] <shockhead> jc-denton: policy set to dynamic
[12:13] <jc-denton> model name	: Intel(R) Core(TM)2 Duo CPU     T7500  @ 2.20GHz
[12:13] <savvas> !info linux-generic hardy
[12:13] <jc-denton> policy?
[12:13] <Pici> !info is broken
[12:14] <compwiz18> jc-denton: I have a Pentium 3
[12:14] <compwiz18> 1000mhz
[12:14] <jc-denton> haha :D
[12:14] <shockhead> in kubuntu, the little battery / power manager app lets me set my cpu frequency scaling policy to "dynamic, performance or powersave"
[12:14] <jc-denton> well the file to set it is gone here
[12:14] <compwiz18> jc-denton: did you overclock it?
[12:14] <shockhead> jc-denton: file?
[12:15] <jc-denton> no of course not, compwiz18
[12:15] <jc-denton> i need my computer to work
[12:15] <jc-denton> and not to play with it
[12:16] <jc-denton> ls /sys/devices/system/cpu/cpu0/
[12:16] <jc-denton> cache  cpuidle  crash_notes  topology
[12:16] <jc-denton> there should be a file called frequency
[12:16] <shockhead> i have...
[12:16] <compwiz18> on the P3, I have a "cpufreq" folder
[12:17] <shockhead> $ ls /sys/devices/system/cpu/cpu0/
[12:17] <shockhead> cache  cpufreq  cpuidle  crash_notes  topology
[12:17] <Dr_willis>  cpufreq sort of stands out...
[12:17] <Dr_willis> :)
[12:17] <compwiz18> :)
[12:17] <compwiz18> I think that might be the one ;)
[12:17] <jc-denton> yes
[12:17] <jc-denton> and this one is missing here
[12:17] <jc-denton> so something must be wrong with the kernel
[12:17] <Dr_willis> people get so used to following instructions they look.. and see.. but dont go the next step. :)
[12:17] <jc-denton> also because it worked before
[12:17] <compwiz18> on my amd w/ the multiplier raised, there is no cpufreq folder... hm.. :P
[12:18] <Dr_willis> there was some bugs out where the 386 kernel kept getting installed  - that will goof up the multi-cpu  stuff :()
[12:18] <vallhalla81>  savvas: ah i see ty
[12:19] <Dr_willis> ls /sys/devices/system/cpu/cpu0/cpufreq/
[12:19] <compwiz18> jc-denton: just out of curiousity : run sudo modprobe cpufreq-ondemand
[12:19] <Dr_willis> has all sorts of neat info.. cool.
[12:19] <jc-denton> compwiz18: i dont have this dir
[12:20] <compwiz18> jc-denton: modprobeing the ondemand module might give it to you
[12:20] <compwiz18> if you rmmod it, it goes away :O
[12:20] <compwiz18> well, if it isn't in use ;)
[12:20] <jc-denton> it loaded it
[12:20] <jc-denton> but it's still not there
[12:20] <shockhead> jc-denton: i have these modules loaded...
[12:20] <shockhead> lsmod |grep freq
[12:20] <jc-denton> me too
[12:20] <shockhead> acpi_cpufreq           10796  0
[12:20] <shockhead> cpufreq_ondemand        9740  2
[12:20] <jc-denton> lsmod | grep ondemand
[12:20] <jc-denton> cpufreq_ondemand        9740  0
[12:20] <jc-denton> freq_table              5536  1 cpufreq_ondemand
[12:20] <shockhead> cpufreq_powersave       2688  0
[12:21] <shockhead> cpufreq_conservative     8712  0
[12:21] <compwiz18> is there still a daemon for the cpu scaling?
[12:21] <shockhead> cpufreq_userspace       5284  0
[12:21] <shockhead> cpufreq_stats           7104  0
[12:21] <shockhead> freq_table              5536  3 acpi_cpufreq,cpufreq_ondemand,cpufreq_stats
[12:21] <shockhead> processor              36872  4 acpi_cpufreq,thermal
[12:21] <shockhead> does that help?
[12:21] <compwiz18> there used to be /etc/init.d/powernowd
[12:21] <Pici> !paste
[12:21] <shockhead> yep
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[12:21] <shockhead> ubotu: sorry ;-)
[12:21] <compwiz18> jc-denton: restart /etc/init.d/powernowd
[12:21] <compwiz18> just a wild shot
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[12:22] <compwiz18> !bot
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[12:22] <compwiz18> ah
[12:22] <compwiz18> there we go ;D
[12:22] <jc-denton> root@compaq:~# /etc/init.d/powernowd restart
[12:22] <jc-denton> root@compaq:~#
[12:22] <jc-denton> why powernowd?
[12:22] <shockhead> lf
[12:23] <shockhead> orvokki: i know, was just joking really.. sorry for the spam
[12:23] <jc-denton> http://rafb.net/p/WqcbpF87.html
[12:23] <jc-denton> soo i don't know what causes the problem
[12:23] <shockhead> jc-denton: i also have:
[12:23] <shockhead> ps ax |grep freq
[12:23] <shockhead>  5640 ?        S      0:00 /usr/lib/hal/hald-addon-cpufreq
[12:24] <shockhead> so you could try restarting hal?
[12:24] <compwiz18> as do I
[12:24] <compwiz18> jc-denton: try rebooting?
[12:24] <jc-denton> i already did
[12:24] <compwiz18> and it worked before the kernel update?
[12:25] <jc-denton> yes
[12:26] <savvas> kernel 2.6.24-13 coming real soon :)
[12:26] <savvas> if it hasn't already :P
[12:26] <compwiz18> jc-denton: wait and see if you get lucky
[12:26] <compwiz18> maybe?
[12:27] <jc-denton> compwiz18: shockhead can you post the output of uname -a
[12:27] <shockhead> $ uname -a
[12:27] <shockhead> Linux nutkin 2.6.24-12-generic #1 SMP Wed Mar 12 23:01:54 UTC 2008 i686 GNU/Linux
[12:27] <compwiz18> linux mountain 2.6.24-12-generic #1 smp ... random date ... i686 linux
[12:28] <compwiz18> well, my random date is the same as shockhead's :P
[12:28] <shockhead> i'm still waiting on 2.6.24-13 too, re bug 201591
[12:28] <ubotu> Launchpad bug 201591 in linux "atyfb regression - screen blank except for blinking cursor after fbcon vtswitch " [Medium,Fix released] https://launchpad.net/bugs/201591
[12:28] <jc-denton> really strange
[12:28] <Dr_willis> Linux cow 2.6.24-12-generic #1 SMP Wed Mar 12 23:01:54 UTC 2008 i686 GNU/Linux
[12:28] <shockhead> compwiz18: yeah, it's the date the kernel was compiled
[12:28] <jc-denton> well i reboot and try again
[12:28] <compwiz18> shockhead: ah, didn't know that
[12:28] <jc-denton> since i don't have any further ideas
[12:28] <compwiz18> learn things all the time :D
[12:28] <Dr_willis> My Pc's name is 'cow' :)
[12:28] <compwiz18> everything over here works pretty good
[12:28] <compwiz18> except for my broadcom wifi card
[12:29] <compwiz18> it doesn't like the hardware manager
[12:29] <Dr_willis> my broadcom works now. :)
[12:29] <Dr_willis> i did have to manually run apt-get install fwcutter (or whatever it was called)
[12:29] <compwiz18> I probably should reinstall from the disk before I complain about it not working
[12:29] <compwiz18> I have ndiswrapper, bcm43xx, and b43 installed
[12:29] <compwiz18> ndiswrapper works
[12:29] <compwiz18> the other two don't
[12:29] <compwiz18> but it might be user error :P
[12:30] <orvokki> Might want to get rid of bcm43xx anyway, it's deprecated, after all...
[12:30] <Dr_willis> yep. :)
[12:30] <shockhead> compwiz18: i tried for ages to get that working on a friend's machine.... and gave up
[12:30] <Dr_willis> i just ran/installed  b43-fwcutter - Utility for extracting Broadcom 43xx firmware
[12:30] <compwiz18> orvokki: how do I get rid of it?
[12:30] <savvas> shockhead: a pre-taste: https://launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/linux/2.6.24-13.23/+build/550173 https://launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/linux/2.6.24-13.23/+build/550171
[12:30] <compwiz18> itsn't it a module or something?
[12:30] <orvokki> Just uninstall it?
[12:30] <compwiz18> Dr_willis: I ran b43-fwcutter a couple minutes ago
[12:30] <compwiz18> no joy
[12:31] <orvokki> It shouldn't come with Linux kernel. Code quality wasn't high enough for it to get included.
[12:31] <orvokki> So it's probably in some package.
[12:31] <compwiz18> I get a funky wlan0_rename using b43
[12:31] <compwiz18> and eth1 has no wifi extensions
[12:31] <Dr_willis> i also used the kde4 network manager thing.. :) dident try it in gnome or kde.
[12:31] <compwiz18> although according to dmesg, it should be eth1
[12:32] <compwiz18> orvokki: I think it came with the kernel since Edgy
[12:32] <orvokki> compwiz18: It's not part of Linux kernel tree.
[12:32] <compwiz18> I remember ndiswrapper gave me trouble becasue I didn't rmmod bcm43xx first
[12:33] <compwiz18> it's on my Arch install too
[12:33] <compwiz18> I dunno :S
[12:33] <jc-denton> well as i suspected
[12:33] <jc-denton> rebooting did not have any effect
[12:33] <shockhead> savvas: nice thanks. when do these things typically get moved into the repositories?
[12:34] <jc-denton> cpu freq scaling even worked on gutsy
[12:34] <orvokki> compwiz18: It might be bcm43xx kernel module comes with bcm43xx-fwcutter.
[12:34] <savvas> shockhead: no idea
[12:35]  * shockhead should learn some patience ;-)
[12:35] <savvas> we're the testing crew, so it should be released soon
[12:35] <savvas> if anything breaks we're pro's after the libc6 problem :P
[12:36]  * compwiz18 is glad he didn't update that day
[12:36]  * Hobbsee writes a postinst with something evil in it
[12:36]  * Hobbsee uploads it to main
[12:36] <savvas> :))
[12:36] <orvokki> :D
[12:36]  * orvokki huggles Hobbsee 
[12:36]  * Hobbsee huggles orvokki back
[12:37] <jc-denton> so what shall i do now?
[12:37] <jc-denton> report a bug?
[12:37] <jc-denton> using vista until it works again
[12:37] <compwiz18> jc-denton: did you already look for bug reports?
[12:37] <compwiz18> it doesn't make a huge different if the cpuscaling works or not does it?
[12:38] <compwiz18> s/different/difference/
[12:38] <jc-denton> well there were some
[12:38] <jc-denton> but not one recent in hardy
[12:38] <jc-denton> compwiz18: sure it does
[12:38] <compwiz18> jc-denton: how so?
[12:38] <jc-denton> Temperature: 61
[12:38] <compwiz18> I realize it saves some power, but otherwise?
[12:39] <jc-denton> powersave -T says this
[12:39] <jc-denton> 61 what?
[12:39] <jc-denton> degrees?
[12:39] <orvokki> Ouch.
[12:39] <jc-denton> yes
[12:39] <orvokki> If it's degrees Celsius, that's a lot.
[12:39] <compwiz18> that's pretty warm
[12:39] <jc-denton> < compaq 8510p
[12:39] <compwiz18> ah, is it a laptop?
[12:39] <jc-denton> of course
[12:40] <compwiz18> ah
[12:40] <compwiz18> didn't realize that
[12:40] <compwiz18> sorry
[12:41]  * Dr_willis dosent have the compaq model #'s memorized either... :)
[12:41] <compwiz18> bcm43xx is still here after removing bcm43*fwcutter
[12:41] <orvokki> *shrug*
[12:41] <OsamaK> Hello! I downloaded the last beta Ubuntu's CD. How to upgrade?
[12:42] <OsamaK> ?
[12:43] <Zvezdichko> you can upgrade
[12:43] <jc-denton> Dr_willis: google it
[12:43] <Dr_willis> upgrade a installed system?
[12:43] <Zvezdichko> only it's alternate CD
[12:43] <Zvezdichko> I think so
[12:43] <Dr_willis> jc-denton,  i dont think i will bother. :)
[12:43] <dns53> with the default live cd install you cannot upgrade your current install, you need the alternate cd which contains the acual .deb files
[12:43] <compwiz18> you can put the CD in the drive and wait for the nice little box that says "click here to upgrade" IIRC
[12:43] <savvas> OsamaK: firstly you ask yourself if you can fix it in case something happens, then you check if the cd is -alternate or -desktop :)
[12:43] <compwiz18> while Ubuntu is running
[12:43] <jc-denton> i need a linux system that works
[12:43] <dns53> i just change my sources to use the next version and dist-upgrade
[12:43] <jc-denton> what shall i do now
[12:43] <Dr_willis> compwiz18,  thats a nifty trick.
[12:43] <compwiz18> you can use apt-cd I think
[12:43] <OsamaK> Yes, I downloaded an alternate CD
[12:43] <compwiz18> apt-cdrom
[12:44] <compwiz18> then do some fancy smancy upgrade magic
[12:44] <compwiz18> but that's beyond me :P
[12:44] <compwiz18> s/gutsy/hardy/
[12:44] <savvas> compwiz18: i think that works updating packages, not upgrading from gutsy to hardy
[12:44] <compwiz18> or something in /etc/apt/sources.list
[12:44] <dns53> i think apt-cdrom to scan the cd for upgrades, then dist-upgrade
[12:44] <compwiz18> then it should pull the packages off the cd instead of the mirror
[12:45] <savvas> OsamaK: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/HardyUpgrades
[12:45] <OsamaK> savvas: I read help page, there is a problem, when I use the shell commend, it's asking me if I want to upgrade from internet, I selected "no", but it still want to download from internet about 300 MB
[12:46] <compwiz18> OsamaK: there may be newer packages on the internet then what is on the CD
[12:46] <OsamaK> I don't want to use them. 300 MB is too many
[12:46] <savvas> OsamaK: probably the new packages :) file it as a bug or close the internet connection
[12:46] <OsamaK> I closed it..
[12:47] <savvas> OsamaK: well then restart the upgrade procedure, and proceed, it won't download anything logically :)
[12:47] <jc-denton> https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+bug/209632
[12:47] <ubotu> Launchpad bug 209632 in ubuntu "[Hardy] CPU freq scaling does not work anymore with the newest kernel" [Undecided,New]
[12:47] <jc-denton> heh
[12:47] <jc-denton> i was faster
[12:47] <dns53> get rid of the internet sources in your sources.list then upgrade so it forgets about them
[12:48] <compwiz18> motherboard with hotpluggable hdds?
[12:48] <compwiz18> I want one
[12:49] <compwiz18> wouldn't get much use out of it though
[12:49] <savvas> what's hotpluggable?
[12:49] <OsamaK> Well let me try
[12:49] <dns53> don't see the point of them unless you need 24/7 hardware with redundent cpu, ram and hard drives
[12:50] <OsamaK> I have a warranty from savvas..
[12:50] <OsamaK> ;)
[12:50] <savvas> lol warranty void if using beta :P
[12:50] <OsamaK> :)
[12:50] <savvas> OsamaK: i hope you've burned the cd on a real cd and you're not using mount iso :)
[12:50] <compwiz18> ohh, he uses esata...
[12:51] <OsamaK> savvas: sure I did
[12:51] <savvas> ok, because in the latter case it doesn't work unfortunately
[12:51] <OsamaK> I have about 6 month with Ubuntu, this isn't the first time ;)
[12:51] <compwiz18> can you not apt-cdrom with a loopmounted cd?
[12:51] <savvas> congrats, I have about 2 years i think hehe
[12:52] <compwiz18> I have about 2.5 years, I think
[12:52] <compwiz18> since Breezy beta
[12:52] <compwiz18> come a long ways since then
[12:52] <savvas> compwiz18: you can't upgrade from release to release with a mounted iso, i've tried it :\
[12:52] <OsamaK> ok, I'm going!
[12:52] <OsamaK> Good bye!
[12:52] <compwiz18> savvas: I guess that's why they made rewritable cds :/
[12:53] <dns53> why not just use dpkg against the debs?
[12:53] <compwiz18> sudo dpkg -i *
[12:53] <dns53> can
[12:53] <dns53> can't you use the file source in apt?
[12:53] <savvas> compwiz18 & dns53, because I want a free and easy terminal-free desktop solution :P
[12:54] <savvas> (if we're all talking about the same thing)
[12:54] <compwiz18> I think they should make a Mount ISO image right click option in Nautilus
[12:54] <compwiz18> it would be easy to do
[12:54] <compwiz18> and a lot of people would use it, I think
[12:54] <savvas> If I get my mother to use this puppy, she'll have to click her way through this :)
[12:54] <Dr_willis> I just use the fuseiso tool.
[12:54] <dns53> it is high in the brainstorm list
[12:54] <Dr_willis> theres front ends to it - i recall.
[12:55] <compwiz18> I just mount -o loop cdimage /tmp/cdimage
[12:55] <compwiz18> probably not the best way
[12:55] <savvas> dns53: link ?
[12:55] <compwiz18> it's a lot more clickable then Breezy was
[12:56] <jc-denton> I don't belive that nobody has the same problem
[12:56] <jc-denton> does anybody here use a recent laptop?
[12:56] <compwiz18> jc-denton: maybe its just a freak configuration error
[12:56] <jc-denton> which has the same cpu as mine?
[12:56] <jc-denton> compwiz18: where?
[12:56] <compwiz18> I dunno
[12:56] <jc-denton> i did not play with the kernel
[12:56] <compwiz18> you did play with Hardy ;)
[12:56] <dns53> http://brainstorm.ubuntu.com/idea/194/ 10th most popular idea
[12:57] <jc-denton> compwiz18: yes
[12:57] <jc-denton> because gutsy does not include hardware support for my laptop
[12:57] <compwiz18> jc-denton: what hardware doesn't it support?
[12:58] <jc-denton> Radeon hd
[12:58] <jc-denton> the driver for the intel wireless card was not working properly under gutsy
[12:58] <jc-denton> network manager still does not work properly
[12:59] <jc-denton> well i also could use gutsy with an newer kernel, but i don't have time to compile my own kernel on my laptop
[13:00] <rynol> Hi
[13:00] <savvas> jc-denton: sometimes bugs can't be reproduced, i.e. my case bug #208750
[13:00] <ubotu> Launchpad bug 208750 in gvfs "gvfsd-ftp - Pure-FTPd Error: Invalid reply" [Low,Triaged] https://launchpad.net/bugs/208750
[13:00] <compwiz18> Hi!
[13:00] <jc-denton> savvas: why not?
[13:00] <rynol> I need help installing a Duxbury Connexant 56k modem Kubuntu Hardy beta
[13:01] <jc-denton> maybe it just concerns my cpu
[13:03] <savvas> jc-denton: well can you do: nautilus ftp://dasher.sh3lls.net - you get a login prompt, I don't, I get an error directly
[13:03] <jc-denton> well sftp does not really work with nautilus too
[13:04] <savvas> works here :)
[13:04] <jc-denton> it also never worked stable as far as i remember
[13:04] <jc-denton> savvas: it crashes often
[13:04] <savvas> in fact, ftp works too, but the problem is just for *.sh3lls.net servers
[13:04] <jc-denton> i would not say that it works
[13:04] <jc-denton> it may works
[13:04] <compwiz18> mine ususally works ok when I use it
[13:04] <jc-denton> "usually"
[13:04] <jc-denton> :D
[13:05] <jc-denton> well anyway
[13:05] <jc-denton> it's not as bad as if the kernel does not work
[13:05] <compwiz18> but I can never get the icon to appear on my desktop when I click connect to server without rebooting
[13:08] <jc-denton> without rebooting
[13:08] <jc-denton> lol
[13:09] <jc-denton> do you need to reboot, if a userspace program causes problems?!
[13:10] <compwiz18> jc-denton: no
[13:10] <compwiz18> jc-denton: but then i dont want to spend hours of my life finding out why it does that either ;)
[13:14] <jc-denton> yes and i DONT WANT TO SPEND HOURS OF MY LIVE TO FIGURE OUT WHY MY LINUX/UBUNTU DOES NOT WORK CORRECTLY
[13:15] <jc-denton> sry for the shouting, but I really had to say this
[13:15] <Konstigt> anyone got a clue about why my fglrx module isn't installed correctly? $ modinfo fglrx  | modinfo: could not find module fglrx
[13:16] <fromport> Konstigt: did you try and run "depmod -a" first ? sometimes this helps.
[13:16] <Dr_willis> Konstigt,  if theres a kernel update, ive noticed that some times the proper video card modules dont get reinstalled..
[13:16] <ccooke> Konstigt: What graphics card, version of Ubuntu, etc?
[13:16] <Dr_willis> but that was a few weeks ago i had this ussie
[13:16] <jc-denton> fglrx also newer worked correct for me
[13:16] <ccooke> jc-denton: ... you don't want to spend hours figuring out why things are broken... and you're running the ubuntu *beta*?
[13:17] <jc-denton> ccooke: as i said
[13:17] <jc-denton> my hardware is not well supported under gutsy
[13:18] <orvokki> A little patience might have been in order then. Hardy final is out on the 19th, after all. RC is out even sooner.
[13:18] <ccooke> jc-denton: Srolling up to see if I can find your problem
[13:18] <ccooke> jc-denton: BRB :-)
[13:18] <Dr_willis> I bet it will be better under 'incontinence  ibex'
[13:18] <Dr_willis> :)
[13:19] <Konstigt> anyone got a clue why modinfo says modinfo: could not find module fglrx
[13:19] <Konstigt> I have xorg-driver-fglrx installed
[13:19] <jc-denton> ccooke: Bug 209632
[13:19] <ubotu> Launchpad bug 209632 in ubuntu "[Hardy] CPU freq scaling does not work anymore with the newest kernel" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/209632
[13:19] <compwiz18> Konstigt: reinstall said package?
[13:21] <Konstigt> compwiz18: reinstalled, ran depmod -a and tried but still no fglrx
[13:22] <Dr_willis> reboot? reformat? defrag!, backup, restore, scan for spyware, reinstall again!  (oh wait thisent #windows)
[13:23] <phaidros> hi, having issues with a hanging left-arrow in X. might this
[13:23] <phaidros> be rerlated to scim?
[13:23] <Waistless> there's no such thing as reinstall in windows, it's either reformat or bust
[13:23] <Dr_willis> You may want to try purging/reinstalling  xorg-driver-fglrx
[13:23] <Dr_willis> Waistless,  you can install to c:/windows2 or somthing i recall ages ago. :)
[13:23] <Dr_willis> not that it worked very well.
[13:23] <phaidros> hehe, back in the days i tried that some times, but it always messed with permissions for the admin user ..
[13:24] <Waistless> I was wondering, the screen resolution option in system settings still reports the wrong refresh rate with the nvidia drivers
[13:24] <NoorulIslaam> just seeing if this channel did exist, or was just tongue-in-cheek from ##windows
[13:24] <Waistless> why don't they just redirect the screen resolution option to nvidia-settings
[13:24] <Waistless> when the nvidia driver is installed
[13:25] <ccooke> jc-denton: Interesting. Wish I had my other laptop here - that one's running Hardy and has a core 2 duo.
[13:25] <jc-denton> ok
[13:25] <jc-denton> well it sucks
[13:25] <jc-denton> < running windows now
[13:25] <jc-denton> maybe linux with an older kernel will just work fine
[13:26] <phaidros> sudo aptitude remove scim ..
[13:26] <phaidros> darn thing this ..
[13:26] <ccooke> phaidros: Remove the hotkey for shift+space.
[13:26] <Waistless> is there a difference between aptitude and apt-get?
[13:26] <Waistless> i've never noticed
[13:27] <compwiz18> Waistless: there is; I don't know what it is
[13:27] <Dr_willis> aptitude is supposed to be a little smarter in ways.. but ive had it do some WEIRD things befor
[13:27] <Dr_willis> I tend to use apt-get
[13:27] <dns53> well they both use libapt? apt-get was the original implementation
[13:27] <compwiz18> shockhead: I actually have a Vista SP1 question for them, but I'm not sure I should ask it now... :P
[13:27] <Dr_willis> use whatever one ya want. I doubt if you will notice much of a diff.
[13:28] <ccooke> jc-denton: the right thing to do, I believe, is finding which module *should* be loaded to support core2duo frequency scaling
[13:28] <phaidros> ccooke: any idea what might cause a reoccuring hanging left arrow?
[13:28] <phaidros> .. makes x unusable then.
[13:28] <Dr_willis> Hanging left arrow where exactly?
[13:28] <Waistless> i've always used apt-get for upgrade; if it aint broken, don't fix it
[13:28] <ccooke> jc-denton: I'll check on my system at home tonight, if nobody has been able to help between now and then
[13:28] <phaidros> as someone loving multiple desktops this sucks alot, because rebooting X means to rebuild all desktops then :)
[13:30] <phaidros> Dr_willis: the left key is permanent enabled, like a 'capslocked' left key ..
[13:30] <jc-denton> ccooke: thanks
[13:31] <jc-denton> ccooke: so you think that a module was not loaded, which should
[13:33] <arkygeek> hi all.   i seem to be unable to print to secure printers using iprint since i did the move to hardy.   anyone know anything about this?
[13:33] <Konstigt> Dr_willis: did that, no luck..
[13:40] <phaidros> another thing, on a nvida+compiz dualhead I have since an early alpha stage of hardy (and sitll) the effect, that the upper fifth of the screen does not refresh often.
[13:40] <vallhalla81> i am guesing the freezing problem wasnt resolved yet as it just happened agn
[13:40] <phaidros> vallhalla81: which freeze?
[13:41] <vallhalla81> my system keeps freezing up i was in about an hour ago and made some changes but now it happens agn
[13:42] <phaidros> since a certain update?
[13:42] <vallhalla81> no since a swaped to a new pc
[13:43] <phaidros> eh, yeah have that on my thinkpad as well.
[13:43] <phaidros> updated from gutsy (worked well on other 2 machines), but the thinkpad randomly freezes. sometimes even at the login screen (gdm)
[13:44] <vallhalla81> is there anything that can be done?
[13:44] <Dr_willis> sounds like a possible video card driver issue...
[13:45] <vallhalla81> i seem to get the same problem on gutsy hardy both 64 and standard distro
[13:45] <Dr_willis> night all
[13:45] <phaidros> mine is i386 and might be a video card related thing ..
[13:45] <phaidros> well, the xorg ati drivers *did* work well, seems they don't do anymore :)
[13:46] <vallhalla81> i am using nvidia agd(latest cards)
[13:47] <phaidros> either it is a coincidence or not video card related then :)
[13:48] <vallhalla81> ye
[13:48] <Lunar_Lamp> I get frequent dmesg output saying that I had a softlockup in "swapper".  I don't know how to track this bug however, as there is no "swapper" package I am not sure what it is relating to :-/
[13:50]  * kgoetz grumbles about people having filed his bugs already
[13:54] <coz_> hey guys  just did updates this morning and compiz fusion is not working  but i am checking again as I type:)
[13:54] <coz_> nope compiz fusion is broken
[13:54] <compwiz18> coz_: do you use fglrx?
[13:55] <coz_> compbrai1, no
[13:55] <coz_> nvidia
[13:55] <coz_> compwiz18, sorry that was for you  no I use nvidia
[13:55] <compwiz18> coz_: ok, someone earlier had fglrx troubles
[13:55] <compwiz18> I won't be much help then, sorry
[13:56] <compwiz18> the nvidia driver is working though right?
[13:56] <coz_> compwiz18, oh!!!  you know what linunx-source was updated   My guess is that I have to reinstall the nvidia driver
[13:57] <coz_> let me do that now and see
[13:57] <compwiz18> yep
[13:59] <Waistless> ubuntu updates have recently been having a habit of
[13:59] <vallhalla81> how do you re install the nvidia driver?
[13:59] <Waistless> keeping my nvidia drivers in tact, but wiping out their extensions :(
[13:59] <Waistless> so i just install from sh every time that happens. manual installs are most up to date anyway :)
[14:00] <coz_> compwiz18, of course that was it :)
[14:00] <compwiz18> coz_: glad I could help after all :)
[14:00] <Waistless> valhalla81: sudo apt-get remove --purge nvidia-glx-new
[14:01] <Waistless> valhalla81: then sudo apt-get install nvidia-glx-new
[14:01] <coz_> compwiz18,   you were indeed it just makes me look foolish .. I tell people this all the time  lol
[14:01] <compwiz18> lol
[14:01] <compwiz18> no worries :)
[14:01] <vallhalla81> Waistless:  perfect thank you
[14:01] <coz_> ok thanks guy for reminding me
[14:01] <compwiz18> sometimes its a lot easier for other people to see the problems then yourself
[14:02] <jc-denton> https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+bug/209632
[14:02] <ubotu> Launchpad bug 209632 in ubuntu "[Hardy] CPU freq scaling does not work anymore with the newest kernel" [Undecided,New]
[14:02] <jc-denton> this is really strange
[14:03] <Waistless> ubotu: DOH!
[14:03] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about doh! - try searching on http://ubotu.ubuntu-nl.org/factoids.cgi
[14:03] <jc-denton> i don't get it
[14:09] <regel> is pulseaudio working for you?
[14:10] <regel> my pulseaudio works except that it doesnt work with flash
[14:10] <Creationist> When is XChat going to be installed by default?  You'd think if a new user gets stuck and needs help, they aren't going to know to (or how to) install XChat ;)
[14:11] <LjL> Creationist, there's pidgin by default
[14:11] <Creationist> LjL, oh yeah... it has IRC, doesn't it?
[14:11] <Creationist> Hmm... okay then :)
[14:11] <LjL> it quite does
[14:11] <LjL> some find it crap for irc, but hey :)
[14:11] <LjL> perhaps the #ubuntu channel should be made more prominent in the defaults though
[14:11] <Creationist> I've never even tried it... probably never will.  I prefer Konversation myself.
[14:12] <LjL> or then again perhaps not, given we have way too many users already
[14:12] <LjL> my condolescences
[14:12] <Creationist> heh
[14:12] <Creationist> Whatever blows your skirt up.
[14:12] <LjL> Creationist, i'm a konversation user :P
[14:12] <Creationist> Anyway, I'm having a slight issue with Hardy.
[14:13] <Creationist> Graphical, of course.  I have the nVidia drivers installed and the proper resolution set, but it won't let me choose 60hz for my refresh rate (which is what my LCD uses natively)
[14:14] <LjL> Creationist: does your lcd care at all? in my (little) experience, it doesn't quite matter what refresh rate you choose for an lcd. anyway, while i don't have hardy, when the GUI thingy doesn't let you set the resolution/refresh you want, you usually go « sudo dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg » (with or without -phigh depending on how much you like annoying questions)
[14:14] <DistroJockey> Creationist: What does the info in your monitor's osd say it's running at?
[14:14] <numus_> i am trying to mount a ntfs drive off a hamachi network but it keeps having problems.. any ideas?
[14:15] <Creationist> LjL, I'm not sure my monitor cares, but I'm thinking this is the reason all the fonts look so blocky.
[14:15] <Creationist> Actually, let me check the AA settings... that could be it ;)
[14:15] <Zvezdichko> what a nickname, Creationist
[14:15] <Creationist> Zvezdichko, Is that a question? ;)
[14:15] <Creationist> ...or a compliment?
[14:15] <Zvezdichko> nope, just kidding :)
[14:15] <LjL> Creationist: naah, that will be the hinting or the antialiasing
[14:16]  * Creationist struggles to find where the AA settings are ;)
[14:17]  * Creationist found them under "Appearance" ... like THAT makes sense ;)
[14:17] <numus_> anyone know how to mount a ntfs drive on a vpn?
[14:21] <savvas> numus_: the menu places > connect to server > windows share doesn't work?
[14:22] <numus_> SAVVAS i got something to work right now.. but it is acting funky at times
[14:23] <savvas> numus_: you could file a bug about it, although I think i saw one somewhere
[14:26] <PolitikerNEU> Hi, I got a Problem: I cannot use the intel propritary wlan driver in Hardy with the new kernel; it is working perfectly using the old 2.22 kernel - what can I do?
[14:27] <jc-denton> i would pay someone to fix this bug, if i had money
[14:27] <Paddy_EIRE> PolitikerNEU: find out which driver it was using when working and download the latest source for it compile and WEEEEEEEEEE
[14:28] <Paddy_EIRE> jc-denton: comeback to me when you have money :)
[14:28] <loa> Zvezdichko, i get downgrade and all is ok with graphic =)
[14:28] <Zvezdichko> hmmmmmm, how did you downgrade?
[14:29] <Zvezdichko> where's the package?
[14:29] <loa> wait =)
[14:30] <loa> https://launchpad.net/ubuntu/hardy/i386/libgl1-mesa-glx/7.0.2-4ubuntu2
[14:30] <loa> install this first
[14:30] <loa> https://launchpad.net/ubuntu/hardy/i386/libgl1-mesa-dri/7.0.2-4ubuntu2
[14:30] <loa> second =)
[14:30] <loa> and enjoy)
[14:31] <PolitikerNEU> Paddy_EIRE: No other option - it was the standard intel wlan driver?
[14:32] <Paddy_EIRE> PolitikerNEU: if you can fnd out which then we'd be flying... as in which chipset
[14:32] <PolitikerNEU> mom
[14:33] <ccooke> jc-denton: (sorry, in a meeting): Yes, it sounds likely that there's a module missing
[14:33] <numus> ok i am getting a dialoug You must log in to access numus@xpubuntuserver./movies domain WORKGROUP
[14:33] <numus> but i never setup a username or password on the workgroup
[14:33] <Zvezdichko> this is really downgrading
[14:33] <Zvezdichko> dpkg -i libgl1-mesa-glx_7.0.2-4ubuntu2_i386.deb
[14:33] <Zvezdichko> dpkg - warning: downgrading libgl1-mesa-glx from 7.0.3~rc2-1ubuntu2 to 7.0.2-4ubuntu2.
[14:33] <ccooke> jc-denton: the files in /sys for controlling cpu frequency are created when the relevant module loads - but there are a large number of different ones for diferent CPUs
[14:34] <eagles0513875> here is my issue and i tried both the alternat cd and regular one of hardy beta when coming to intall wiht the desktop up or just the installer in the regular cd it freezes while loading partitions in the alternate cd it installs fine but the probelm arises when booting after install it hangs on loading hardware devices. is this because my hardwear is too new
[14:35] <eagles0513875> i would rather be running kubuntu on this machine but i am stuck with vista at the present moment which is driving me nuts as well
[14:35] <numus> eagles why are you stuck...
[14:35] <Zvezdichko> loa: hope this will work :)
[14:35] <eagles0513875> here is my issue and i tried both the alternat cd and regular one of hardy beta when coming to intall wiht the desktop up or just the installer in the regular cd it freezes while loading partitions in the alternate cd it installs fine but the probelm arises when booting after install it hangs on loading hardware devices. is this because my hardwear is too new
[14:35] <numus> i am runing hardy on a ntfs formated machine ment for vista
[14:35] <eagles0513875> thing is i get it installed with the alternate cd but it hang when booting on loading hardware devices
[14:36] <eagles0513875> and i have the latest bios from hp
[14:36] <eagles0513875> r there compatibility issues with amd turion x2 processors
[14:36] <numus> !wubi
[14:36] <ubotu> wubi advice here: http://ubuntuforums.org/forumdisplay.php?f=234  and  http://wubi.org  [file wubi bugs here:  https://launchpad.net/wubi/+filebug ] (it will be included in hardy 8.04 currently in beta)
[14:36] <eagles0513875> numus tried wubi but it screwed up my vista install
[14:36] <eagles0513875> i wanna get rid of vista all together
[14:36] <numus> eagles051875 then you messed up installing wubi
[14:36] <Paddy_EIRE> I'd never advocate wubi anyway
[14:36] <numus> Paddy_EIRE why not?
[14:37] <eagles0513875> i woudl rather run the full os then use wubi and take a performance loss
[14:37] <PolitikerNEU>  Intel Corporation PRO/Wireless 3945ABG  -  ieee80211
[14:37] <numus> eages0413875 amazing i have noticed almost no performance loss at all
[14:37] <bazhang> compared to what?
[14:37] <Paddy_EIRE> numus: more windows users is not my cup of tea.. that mindset will ultimately leak to the linux world
[14:38] <bazhang> hardy is faster than gutsy in most measures
[14:38] <Paddy_EIRE> also we are not responsible for the win os
[14:38] <eagles0513875> numus it says u will loose performance
[14:38] <loa> Zvezdichko, i already play armagetronad with my friend =)
[14:38] <eagles0513875> Paddy_EIRE im pro liinux screw vista lol
[14:38] <numus> paddy_eire true, but linux cant and doesnt support everything vista does right now.. so for some applications vista runs it a lot bette rthen linux, and some linux runs better
[14:38] <numus> eagles0513875 what says...
[14:38] <Zvezdichko> loa: the second file won't install
[14:38] <Zvezdichko> dpkg: error processing libgl1-mesa-dri_7.0.2-4ubuntu2_i386.deb (--install):
[14:38] <Paddy_EIRE> numus: depends on your perspective...
[14:38] <Zvezdichko>  short read in buffer_copy (backend dpkg-deb during `./usr/lib/dri/i965_dri.so')
[14:38] <Zvezdichko> this is what happens
[14:39] <bazhang> Vista does nothing better imo
[14:39] <numus> ya directx 10 is just a load of crap
[14:39] <numus> linux runs the ati 3d accelerator soooooo much better
[14:39] <eagles0513875> this laptop is sweet machine with an hd nvidia go 6150 chipset
[14:39] <Paddy_EIRE> numus: ofcourse an application and or driver written natively by the company who designed it for the host os is going to run better on said native platform
[14:39] <eagles0513875> with 340 mb of ram on board and another 128 sharable
[14:39] <loa> Zvezdichko, try --force-help
[14:40] <eagles0513875> sup LjL
[14:40] <bazhang> the bot got kicked ;]
[14:40] <Paddy_EIRE> numus: although technically and programming wise windows is a childish encumbered mess
[14:40] <LjL> nothing much
[14:40] <eagles0513875> ljl maybe u can help me with my problem
[14:41] <LjL> i don't even have hardy, but maybe
[14:41] <eagles0513875> ljl here is my issue and i tried both the alternat cd and regular one of hardy beta when coming to intall wiht the desktop up or just the installer in the regular cd it freezes while loading partitions in the alternate cd it installs fine but the probelm arises when booting after install it hangs on loading hardware devices. is this because my hardwear is too new
[14:41] <numus> paddy_eire true.. but considering over 70% of the PC market is running windows.. you cant expect it not to be perferred to have alongside ubuntu
[14:41] <Paddy_EIRE> numus: thats sadly the "nazi" nature of windows
[14:41] <numus> paddy_eire if you havent guessed i have my drive ntfs formated with windows vista running hardy on wubi.. and yet i am loaded into ubuntu right now instead of vista..
[14:41] <LjL> eagles0513875: tried booting with "noapic", "noacpi" etc?
[14:41] <eagles0513875> im pro ubuntu wiht the money im going ot make this summer im goign ot make an insane quad core linux box
[14:41] <elkbuntu> godwin!
[14:41] <Paddy_EIRE> numus: never would I use wubi
[14:42] <numus> paddy_eire well tha tis your choice
[14:42] <eagles0513875> LjL i can get it installed with the alternate cd thing is that when i boot it it hangs for me on loading hardware devices
[14:42] <loa> Zvezdichko, try to redownload this deb.
[14:42] <bazhang> vista trumps godwin
[14:42] <eagles0513875> !godwin
[14:42] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about godwin - try searching on http://ubotu.ubuntu-nl.org/factoids.cgi
[14:42] <loa> Zvezdichko, http://www.linuxquestions.org/questions/linux-software-2/getting-short-read-in-buffercopy-error-with-dpkg-334285/
[14:42] <numus> paddy_eire but considering i run ntfs servers and xmbc linux hasent taken off yet.. i am going to stick with my setup
[14:42] <Zvezdichko> thank you, loa, I'll check that
[14:42] <numus> eagles0513875 have you tried witht eh noacpi option?
[14:42] <eagles0513875> numus when booting
[14:43] <Paddy_EIRE> numus: ushare beats that xmbc kids toy big time... and supports just about any video format
[14:43] <LjL> eagles0513875: well, check the logs in /var/log (syslog especially), not much else i can suggest
[14:43] <eagles0513875> yes i did and still same problem
[14:43] <eagles0513875> tried nodma
[14:43] <jc-denton> ccooke: thx
[14:43] <jc-denton> so far
[14:43] <eagles0513875> LjL i dumped it and am back on winblows
[14:43] <numus> paddy_eire ya because i love to use ushare in my modded xbox.. it works sooooooooooo well
[14:43] <jc-denton> Paddy_EIRE: :D
[14:43] <thoreauputic> I notice that 2.6.24-13 is out, but the ubuntu-modules for it are not. Is that usual? Do the modules normally follow soon after -and/or the deps of linux-image-386 etc ?
[14:43] <eagles0513875> my dad should be bringing my laptop in about a week and im harding it out and using that
[14:44] <eagles0513875> LjL does hardware play a big factor in installation and booting
[14:44] <jc-denton> ccooke: i thought that the kernel loads them automatically
[14:44] <LjL> it can
[14:44] <Paddy_EIRE> numus: oh.. you're talking about piracy?
[14:44] <jc-denton> or is there some list that could prevent it?
[14:44] <Zvezdichko> loa: what about you
[14:44] <numus> paddy_eire nope..
[14:44] <Zvezdichko> how did you install
[14:44] <Zvezdichko> the files
[14:44] <Zvezdichko> I used for the first one dpkg -i
[14:44] <Zvezdichko> it downgraded successfully
[14:44] <Paddy_EIRE> numus: gentoox always rocked IMO
[14:44] <eagles0513875> LjL i got the laptop back in december and it has an nvidia go 6150 chipset amd turion x2 processor
[14:44] <eagles0513875> are there any know issues with this processor
[14:45] <loa> Zvezdichko, try redownload second packet!
[14:45] <eagles0513875> cuz i even tried centos and it installs fine but wont load the desktop for me
[14:45] <Paddy_EIRE> numus: http://ushare.geexbox.org/ Incase you never heard of it.
[14:45] <nosrednaekim> eagles0513875: processor is fine.... graphics card might be finicky
[14:45] <eagles0513875> nosrednaekim what u mean
[14:45] <numus> paddy_eire i have.. but i like the support of xbmc
[14:45] <eagles0513875> nosrednaekim its an integrated one
[14:45] <nosrednaekim> eagles0513875: for those, you ussually absolutely need the official nvidia drivers
[14:46] <nosrednaekim> or X doesn't work at all
[14:46] <nosrednaekim> so you would have to install from the alternate installer
[14:46] <loa> Zvezdichko, how are you?
[14:46] <Paddy_EIRE> numus: ahh.. the first xbox... you still using that thing :/
[14:46] <eagles0513875> nosrednaekim i did but then i have another issue
[14:46] <eagles0513875> nosrednaekim it hangs when booting on loading hardware drivers
[14:46] <nosrednaekim> oh <_<
[14:46] <numus> paddy_eire you thought i was tallking about the 360.. laugh.. yes the first xbox. i have modded it out with HD audio and video inputs.. very easy to do once you know which solder points on the av harness to use
[14:46] <eagles0513875> nosrednaekim what would cause a hang there
[14:47] <Zvezdichko> loa: fine, I'm redownloading the file
[14:47] <nosrednaekim> did you look for anyone else who has this laptop? search for it on google?
[14:47] <numus> paddy_eire err.. outputs
[14:47] <Paddy_EIRE> numus: nice one.. sounds like a nice piece of kit
[14:47] <nosrednaekim> eagles0513875: wireless driver possibly
[14:47] <numus> eagles0513875 have you tried booting in verbose to see if there is an error being displayed
[14:47] <eagles0513875> nosrednaekim its broadcom which i have in my old laptop and it has never been an issue
[14:47] <eagles0513875> numus no i didnt
[14:48] <loa> Zvezdichko, i like launchpad.net =))
[14:48] <numus> paddy_eire lol.. it is a fun pasttime hobby to do.. there is a ton of potential with it.. i mean it is basicly a 700 mhz computer
[14:48] <numus> eagles0513875 were did you get your copy of hardy?
[14:48] <Zvezdichko> hmmmmmm, me too
[14:48] <eagles0513875> numus through kubuntu website
[14:49] <Paddy_EIRE> numus: yeah I seen the "turbo" charged box double the processor and twice the ram...  I think it was Friendtech
[14:49] <numus> paddy_eire i havent gotten that gutsy yet.. i am thinking when i build a linuxbox i might attempt that..
[14:49] <Paddy_EIRE> numus: for future reference http://www.firingsquad.com/hardware/friendtech_dreamx_xbox/
[14:50] <bazhang> eagles0513875: what make and model of computer
[14:50] <eagles0513875> im hoping that at some pt in time i can setup a cluster and begin r&d on my own easy to use linux clustering software based on kubuntu
[14:50] <numus> eagles0513875 you should be able to boot into verbose and watch all commands being issued instead of hte ubuntu load screen
[14:50] <eagles0513875> bazhang its an hp tablet tx1308nr
[14:50] <bazhang> eagles0513875: let me google that..
[14:50] <loa> Zvezdichko, :)
[14:50] <eagles0513875> numus ill have to try it now but this week i have a lot to do and an assignment for my programming class that i wanna get done before i try again
[14:51] <Zvezdichko> loa: nope, I still get errors
[14:51] <Creationist> How do I install the Adobe Flash plugin for Firefox 3?  I have flashplugin-nonfree installed, but Firefox 3 doesn't see it.
[14:51] <loa> try kill your xorg
[14:52] <numus> paddy_eire maybe you will know.. if i reset X i loose the ati drivers.. it says they are loaded but compiz and glxinfo tells me that the drivers arent loaded.. i have to go through hardware.. remove then and reinstall for them to work
[14:53] <loa> Zvezdichko, i think this lib in use!
[14:53] <Paddy_EIRE> numus: everytime?
[14:53] <loa> Zvezdichko, Have you run some graphic application?
[14:53] <loa> for example compiz?
[14:53] <numus> paddy_eire almost every time
[14:54] <Zvezdichko> compiz?
[14:54] <Zvezdichko> not sure
[14:54] <loa> compiz-fusion
[14:54] <bazhang> eagles0513875: seems to be this bios bug: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+bug/163867
[14:54] <Zvezdichko> killall says no process killedc
[14:54] <ubotu> Launchpad bug 163867 in ubuntu "PCI: BIOS BUG #81[49435000] found (dup-of: 116734)" [Undecided,New]
[14:54] <ubotu> Launchpad bug 116734 in linux "PCI: BIOS BUG #81[49435000] found - [HP pavilion dv2000]" [Undecided,Won't fix]
[14:54] <numus> paddy_eire restricted hardware.. or whatever they are calling it now.. says that the drivers are enabled and runing fine.. but when i do the glxinfo it says no
[14:55] <RsjH> Hi all
[14:55] <Paddy_EIRE> numus: which ati chipset
[14:55] <numus> x1400
[14:55] <numus> mobility
[14:55] <numus> LAUGH
[14:55] <numus> like right now
[14:55] <eagles0513875> bazhang that was in gutsy it doesnt come up for me in hardy
[14:55] <numus> compiz is running the drivers are running.. but
[14:55] <numus> numus@numus-laptop:~$ glxinfo | grep direct
[14:55] <numus> direct rendering: No (If you want to find out why, try setting LIBGL_DEBUG=verbose)
[14:56] <numus> but compiz is actually running now lol
[14:56] <eagles0513875> numus i have an easy thing to help u fix that
[14:56] <loa> numus, and?
[14:56] <eagles0513875> numus what version of kubuntu u running
[14:56] <numus> umm..
[14:56] <bazhang> http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=646755&page=10 what about this eagles0513875
[14:56] <numus> ubuntu
[14:56] <eagles0513875> numus edgy feisty gutsy
[14:56] <numus> try hardy
[14:56] <eagles0513875> ok numus
[14:56] <bazhang> haha check /topic
[14:57] <numus> this is hardy help chat..
[14:57] <Pici> Yes.
[14:57] <eagles0513875> numus give me a sec i have somethign that should work in hardy as well as previous
[14:57] <bazhang> indeed
[14:57] <Creationist> Anyone know how to install the nonfree flash plugin in Firefox 3?
[14:57] <RsjH> Can someone help me with installing a Duxbury analog modem on Kubuntu hardy for faxing purposes?
[14:57] <Pici> Creationist: It works oob for me.
[14:57] <bazhang> Creationist: I just did the ubuntu-restricted-extras
 kill your xorg ;)
[14:58] <Pici> Well, I needed u-r-e, but besides that.
[14:58] <Zvezdichko> this will be something I'll do
[14:58] <loa> =)
[14:58] <eagles0513875> bazhang thanks
[14:58] <numus> creationist it should be able to install under firefox extensions
[14:58] <bazhang> eagles0513875: no worries ;]
[14:58] <Creationist> Yeah, it says it installs fine, but when I restart Firefox and go to a flash site, it still says I need it.
[14:58] <Creationist> bazhang, I tried that too.
[14:59] <bazhang> hmm strange; though in my case it was kubuntu-restricted-extras
[14:59] <eagles0513875> Creationist i know there was a bug for the longest time with it and they removed it
[14:59] <eagles0513875> !falsh
[14:59] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about falsh - try searching on http://ubotu.ubuntu-nl.org/factoids.cgi
[14:59] <eagles0513875> !flash
[14:59] <ubotu> To install Flash see https://help.ubuntu.com/community/RestrictedFormats/Flash (for !Dapper and !Edgy, a recent version is available in !backports) - See also !Restricted and !Gnash
[14:59] <ccooke> jc-denton: The kernel will try to load it, yes. But it's possible that a) one driver is missing b) the driver is broken on specific motherboard/cpu combinations, c) the loader is broken on specific combinations... Etc :-)
[14:59] <Pici> eagles0513875: That bug is long fixed.
[14:59] <loa> flash <-- ))
[14:59] <numus> creationist try http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=695674
[15:00] <Pici> Creationist: Is this a fresh install of Hardy?
[15:00] <Creationist> Pici, Yes.
[15:00] <bazhang> aha
[15:00] <Creationist> Well, fresh install with all updates installed.
[15:00] <jrib> Creationist: what is the output of 'apt-cache policy flashplugin-nonfree'?
[15:01] <eagles0513875> numus try http://wiki.cchtml.com/index.php/Ubuntu_Hardy_Installation_Guide
[15:01] <numus> i need a stupid shockwave plugin.. flash is working
[15:01] <numus> eagles ya.. already done
[15:01] <Pici> numus: There is no Shockwave for Linux.
[15:01] <eagles0513875> interesting ok
[15:01] <eagles0513875> how do i sign up for the ubuntu forums
[15:01] <numus> eagles0513875 it is a problem with the drivers unloading while ubuntu thinks it is loaded... pici i know.. i said i need one :-(
[15:02] <numus> !ati
[15:02] <ubotu> For Ati/NVidia/Matrox video cards, see https://help.ubuntu.com/community/BinaryDriverHowto
[15:02] <numus> !forums
[15:02] <ubotu> The Ubuntu forums can be found at http://www.ubuntuforums.org. There is also a channel on IRC Freenode #ubuntuforums.
[15:02] <eagles0513875> numus my old machine has an ati radeon 200m and using that with edgya nd worked for me
[15:02] <Creationist> jrib, I think the forums actually had the answer.  Installing flashplugin-nonfree installs it to the firefox2 directory, but not to firefox3
[15:02] <numus> radeon 200m is old.. x1400 is one of hte highest for 15.4 inch laptops
[15:03] <warren_> hi
[15:03] <jrib> Creationist: strange, all I did was install flashplugin-nonfree yesterday and have flash on both
[15:03] <Creationist> hmm
[15:03] <Pici> Me too (yesterday)
[15:03] <Creationist> jrib, I have it in 2, but not 3
[15:03] <warren_> is it normal that the polyester package isn't in the hardy repository?
[15:03] <eagles0513875> kinda funny mine is 15.4 inch but it had 200m and its a compaq thats probably y
[15:03] <Creationist> very weird
[15:03] <Pici> Creationist: How did you install FF3?
[15:03] <numus> warren_ have you enabled the proper repos? most of them are unenabled on fresh installs
[15:04] <Creationist> Pici, This is Hardy... it's installed by default.
[15:04] <warren_> yes
[15:04] <Zvezdichko> loa: I installed both files, however, the update notifier is screaming that there are new files
[15:04] <loa> yeah
[15:04] <Creationist> Whoa... is aptitude totally new in hardy?
[15:04] <loa> lock them in sinaptic)
[15:05] <eagles0513875> Creationist nope
[15:05] <numus> why is there no shockwave support for ubuntu
[15:05] <Creationist> eagles0513875, Oh... just a bug then.
[15:05] <Zvezdichko> loa: no synaptic, I have adept
[15:05] <Zvezdichko> :0
[15:06] <eagles0513875> Creationist unless they gave it a revamp
[15:06] <Creationist> eagles0513875, showed the percentage of a download on a new line every time (1%, 2%, etc.)
[15:06] <loa> Zvezdichko, kubuntu?
[15:06] <Zvezdichko> well, yes
[15:06] <PolitikerNEU> hmm ... wasn't "Intel Corporation PRO/Wireless 3945ABG - ieee80211" enough information? If no, how do I get more?
[15:06] <jrib> Pici: are you on amd64 too?
[15:06] <numus> no aptitude is about the same.... i run it in terminal to install most of my updates
[15:06] <numus> politikerneu what is the problem... i am using tha tcard
[15:07] <loa> PolitikerNEU, hmmm. what you mean?
[15:07] <Zvezdichko> but I have gnome installed
[15:07] <Zvezdichko> so I'll check it there
[15:07] <bazhang> PolitikerNEU: who you talking to
[15:07] <loa> i use iwl3945
[15:07] <PolitikerNEU> That the driver isn't loadig
[15:07] <bazhang> I have that card and it works very well
[15:07] <PolitikerNEU> *propritary intel wlan driver isn't loading in the new hardy kernel
[15:07] <numus> politikerneu you using hardy? if so it comes with support right from fresh for that card
[15:07] <Pici> jrib: nope.
[15:07] <loa> Zvezdichko, try video game =)
[15:07] <PolitikerNEU> It worked perfectly in the old gutsy
[15:07] <numus> politikerneu it doesn't use a restricted driver anymore
[15:07] <PolitikerNEU> Yes, I'm using hardy
[15:07] <bazhang> works better now
[15:08] <Zvezdichko> loa: video games are now fine
[15:08] <loa> PolitikerNEU, i have compile my kernel with iwl3945 - daemon less driver =)
[15:08] <Creationist> Yeah... I had to manually copy the flash plugin .so file to the firefox 3 directory.
[15:08] <loa> PolitikerNEU, It is cool =) but need some tuning =)
[15:08] <PolitikerNEU> cool - but how do I make it work? Because Wicd tells me 'no wireless adapter found'
[15:08] <numus> creationist if you installed a fresh hardy.. how do you have a firefox 2 folder?
[15:09] <bazhang> err works great with network manager; no idea about wicd
[15:09] <loa> PolitikerNEU, show your lsmod | grep 3945
[15:09] <PolitikerNEU> doesn't work with networkmanager either
[15:09] <Adys> Small question, I'm able to extract zip files by opening them with file-roller, but is there a way to assign them in contextual menu, like other archive types?
[15:09] <numus> politikerneu you using kubuntu or ubuntu and how new was the hardy iso you used
[15:09] <Creationist> numus, I have no idea... I have both Firefox 2 and 3 installed
[15:09] <PolitikerNEU> currently I'm using the old kernel
[15:09] <PolitikerNEU> I updated from gutsy
[15:09] <bazhang> aha
[15:09] <numus> politikerneu ohh thats your problem..
[15:09] <PolitikerNEU> that's why I still can use the old kernel
[15:09] <PolitikerNEU> ipw3945               119840  1
[15:10] <PolitikerNEU> ieee80211              35656  1 ipw3945
[15:10] <numus> politikerneu hardy really should be installed fresh.. it doesn't use the restricted intel drivers anymore.. it has a new driver that works great
[15:10] <loa> PolitikerNEU, Build your own kernel with iwl3945
[15:10] <warren_> i have nvidia driver enabled and desktop effects enabled
[15:10] <PolitikerNEU> hmm ... ok, I'll try - but the problem
[15:10] <bazhang> no need for a fresh install just use the new kernel
[15:10] <PolitikerNEU> is, that this is a productive system
[15:10] <warren_> however when selecting effects in the Desktop effects window i don't have any, why?
[15:10] <PolitikerNEU> the new kernel doesn't work - that's my problem
[15:10] <warren_> 3d works
[15:10] <loa> PolitikerNEU, what doesn't work?
[15:10] <Finnish> Anyone know about WLAN..?
[15:10] <numus> politikerneu at all? like on a fresh install the kernel wont work?
[15:11] <bazhang> warren_: got ccsm installed?
[15:11] <numus> finiish ya.. WLAN stands for wireless lan.. anymore questions?
[15:11] <Finnish> I have a Sitecom WL-112 card in my laptop
[15:11] <PolitikerNEU> I haven't tried a fresh install of the beta - but the last alpha livecd didn't work too
[15:11] <Finnish> It has RaLink RT2500-chipset
[15:11] <warren_> bazhang: no but why creating this window then?
[15:11] <bazhang> PolitikerNEU: just do an upgrade via the net
[15:11] <numus> warren_ compiz is a beast of a pain sometimes.. i spent a while getting mine to work right.. and it still doesnt sometimes
[15:12] <numus> finnish k?
[15:12] <warren_> yeah but hardy is coming :p
[15:12] <PolitikerNEU> Do you mean: From the livecd or from the version I'm using?
[15:12] <Finnish> I see it in iwconf, but it doesn't see any nets in my house, but I know there are nets around
[15:12] <PolitikerNEU> Because actually I updated from gutsy to hardy using the net
[15:12] <Finnish> numus: ?
[15:12] <bazhang> warren_: try alt f2 compiz --replace
[15:12] <warren_> ow they works but haven't window borders :p
[15:12] <numus> finnish i dont know.. i use the intel
[15:12] <numus> warren_ do you have a decorator.. you really shoudl go to #compiz for this
[15:13] <numus> warren_ please go to #compiz
[15:13] <bazhang> warren_: make sure the plugin window decorations or the like is enabled
[15:13] <warren_> numus: it's more a hardy issue :)
[15:13] <numus> warren_ no it is a compiz issue
[15:13] <numus> warren_ your windows decorate is messed up.. compiz
[15:13] <bazhang> warren_: likely compiz as mine works fine on hardy
[15:13] <warren_> not really as the kubuntu program doesn't work ;)
[15:14] <Finnish> numus: See this
[15:14] <Finnish> https://help.ubuntu.com/community/HardwareSupportComponentsWirelessNetworkCardsSitecom
[15:14] <bazhang> what kubuntu program warren_
[15:14] <numus> k finnish
[15:14] <Finnish> It should work...
[15:15] <numus> finnish that link it OLD...
[15:15] <numus> err is
[15:15] <warren_> bazhang: System -> Desktop Effects
[15:15] <leftyfb> warren_: this is a compiz issue, not hardy. Did you try bazhang's suggestion for hitting ALT F2 and typing compiz --replace ?
[15:16] <numus> finnish first let me ask.. are you running hardy
[15:16] <bazhang> warren_: no problems here with ccsm; which is called advanced desktops effects manager or the like
[15:16] <Finnish> Yeah, Hardy Beta
[15:16] <leftyfb> warren_: this is a compiz issue, not hardy. Did you try bazhang's suggestion for hitting ALT F2 and typing compiz --replace ?
[15:16] <warren_> as ccsm works but the kubuntu prog not, it is a kubuntu bug
[15:16] <numus> warren_ what kubuntu program
[15:16] <warren_> System -> Desktop Effects
[15:17] <bazhang> warren_: try alt -f2 compiz --replace or alt f2 kwin --replace
[15:17] <warren_> yes that works naturally
[15:17] <warren_> but not everybody knows that :=
[15:17] <[Hardy]TuTUXG> how's the new kernel everyone? any problems?
[15:17] <bazhang> warren_: which one works I gave you two
[15:17] <warren_> kwin --replace
[15:18] <leftyfb> what about compiz --replace ?
[15:18] <bazhang> warren_: and the window decorations come back in that case?
[15:18] <numus> finnish i have no idea.. it says it shoudl work out of the box
[15:18] <warren_> no compiz replace doesn't
[15:18] <warren_> but you can use kwin and compiz effects
[15:19] <warren_> but i think that it is my nvidia driver that isn't correctly installed
[15:19] <bazhang> warren_: please answer my question
[15:19] <warren_> but can't remember what option to pass to nvidia-xconfig
[15:19] <numus> pretty much anything related to compiz is a compiz issue.. and they are really good at fixing them in #compiz
[15:19] <numus> compiz is highly unstable at times...
[15:19] <bazhang> never use it myself
[15:20] <numus> bazhang i do when i want to show someone what ubuntu can really do
[15:20] <numus> bazhang but when i use it for long periods of time.. something always ends up crashing on it
[15:20] <bazhang> numus: tune them into youtube ;]
[15:20] <numus> bazhang it is better when they have hands on
[15:21] <bazhang> numus then sadly the compiz effects ;[
[15:21] <bazhang> spinning cube, scale effect etc
[15:21] <numus> bazhang i got them all setup on this laptop..
[15:21] <bazhang> haha
[15:21] <bazhang> then just show them numus
[15:22] <numus> bazhang thats what i do.. in the meantime i just use metacity
[15:22] <bazhang> same here; after ten trillion cube spins it gets boring
[15:22] <numus> warren_ doesnt understand that the issue he is having is related to compiz and the ability to handle windows decorators sometimes
[15:22] <bazhang> warren left I think
[15:23] <numus> bazhang i am having a problem where my ati drivers decide to basicly turn off but the hardware shows them enabled and running.. so it is a pain at times
[15:23] <numus> anyone good at NTFS mounting over VPN's?
[15:23] <bazhang> that is odd
[15:24] <OsamaK> Look at : https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+bug/209703
[15:24] <numus> i have the drives folders mounted right now.. but when i try to open a file it asks for the domain login..
[15:24] <[Hardy]TuTUXG> there is no ubuntu-modules for the new kernel (2.6.24-13)?
[15:24] <numus> but i have no domain login
[15:26] <numus> damn still having that image refresh flicker problem
[15:27] <numus> bazhang HAHA.. the image refresh flicker issue i am having is related to compiz.... chaulk another one up to that unstable flashy thing
[15:28] <bazhang> numus ;]
[15:31] <numus> anyone good with samba mounts?
[15:36] <hischild> osteenbergen, what do you mean with fix the battery indicator?
[15:37] <osteenbergen> well i'm now connected to the ac.. it has been so for the past 48 hours but stil it reports 28% and if i unplug it the display gets dimmed but the icon doesn't change
[15:37] <osteenbergen> it actually says its not charging now..
[15:37] <hischild> osteenbergen, in console, type acpi ... what does it say?
[15:37] <osteenbergen> charged 28%
[15:37] <osteenbergen> same as the indicator
[15:38] <hischild> and when unplugging ...
[15:38] <osteenbergen> osteenbergen@nuxWeb:~$ acpi
[15:38] <osteenbergen>      Battery 1: charged, 28%
[15:38] <osteenbergen> osteenbergen@nuxWeb:~$ acpi
[15:38] <osteenbergen>      Battery 1: discharging, 28%, 02:53:52 remaining
[15:38] <osteenbergen> but the design charge is 98.. it reports 128 now and 480 for full charge
[15:39] <hischild> hmm
[15:39] <hischild> could be that the battery is not capable anymore of being fully charged ... happens when they wear out
[15:40] <osteenbergen> laptop is not that old and has been to the repair shop.. Gutsy reported (2 months back) that battery level was at 85%
[15:40] <osteenbergen> so it is a hardy problem
[15:40] <hischild> then i'm at a loss
[15:40] <hischild> try gutsy now then
[15:41] <hischild> live cd ftw
[15:41] <osteenbergen> Yeah i will try that so brb
[15:45] <[Hardy]TuTUXG> ok, anyone tell me y there is no linux-ubuntu-modules for 2.6.24-13 kernel?
[15:46] <[Hardy]TuTUXG> can i boot the new kernel without it or what?
[15:46] <Pici> -13?
[15:46] <[Hardy]TuTUXG> ya
[15:46] <Zvezdichko> loa, thank you, I locked the packages in synaptic
[15:46] <Zvezdichko> and now everything works fine
[15:52] <[Hardy]TuTUXG> Pici, https://launchpad.net/ubuntu/hardy/i386/linux-source-2.6.24/2.6.24-13.23
[15:53] <osteenbergen> hischild, it is working fine from gutsy live,
[15:53] <hischild> osteenbergen, then i have no idea as to why it wouldn't work correctly
[15:53] <osteenbergen> yeah it is a wierd problem
[15:54] <Pici> [Hardy]TuTUXG: Probably because linux-2.6.24-13.23 hasn't built properly on all arches.
[15:54] <osteenbergen> but maybe you know the solution to missing tty.. well there black and there blinks a "_" and that is about it
[15:54] <Pici> [Hardy]TuTUXG: https://edge.launchpad.net/ubuntu/hardy/+builds?build_text=linux&build_state=all
[15:55] <jaffarkelshac> i am trying to install nvidia drivers, how do i exit X
[15:55] <osteenbergen> ctrl-alt-backspace
[15:55] <osteenbergen> it reboots X
[15:55] <[Hardy]TuTUXG> Pici, so can i boot the new kernel or no?
[15:55] <jack|Helium> I'm not sure that hardy sets up terminals by default
[15:55] <cybercyst> hey does someone here use the x86_64 version of hardy + the fglrx drivers in the repositories? i have a question....
[15:56] <jack|Helium> I'm having an odd kernel issue
[15:56] <osteenbergen> no sry cybercyst.. switched back to 32 because of some software problems
[15:57] <osteenbergen> but i have seen most of the fglrx error so what is the problem?
[15:57] <cybercyst> no 3d acceleration in wine
[15:57] <cybercyst> everything else works pretty well... all 3d in normal linux apps, just not in wine
[15:57] <orvokki> Tried without Compiz?
[15:57] <cybercyst> yeah
[15:57] <cybercyst> aiglx disabled in xorg.conf
[15:57] <Amaranth> compiz won't mess with wine's 3d acceleration...
[15:57] <jack|Helium> when I try to use the thinkpad_acpi module, it claims that there is something already taking the bay support and disables it. However, the bay module is not loaded, so I have no idea what could be stealing the bay?
[15:58] <cybercyst> right, it was just a test though
[15:58] <orvokki> Amaranth: It's known to cause issues with Wine 3d rendering.
[15:58] <[Hardy]TuTUXG> cybercyst, how about run with -opengl
[15:58] <cybercyst> it isn't a problem with a specific game its wine in general
[15:58] <cybercyst> for example, when i run wineprefixcreate i get drmMap error
[15:58] <Amaranth> orvokki: no it isn't
[15:58] <orvokki> cybercyst: "glxinfo|grep direct" probably says yes?
[15:58] <cybercyst> and when i run 3DMark2001 i get 0-1 fps
[15:58] <cybercyst> yeah it says yes
[15:59] <osteenbergen> i have sees those... maybe i have documented it.. will check
[15:59] <Amaranth> orvokki: it's known to have a couple issues with fullscreen and wine
[15:59] <jack|Helium> does anyone know what might be taking over my removable drive bay from the thinkpad modules?
[15:59] <[Hardy]TuTUXG> jack|Helium, usb?
[16:00] <loa> Zvezdichko, cool =)
[16:00] <numus> is there a known issue with gdesklets and hardy?
[16:00] <jack|Helium> [Hardy]TuTUXG: so the usb module might be doing it? it's a removable drive bay, for CD/DVD, spare batteries, etc.
[16:01] <[Hardy]TuTUXG> jack|Helium, http://www.thinkwiki.org/wiki/UltraBay
[16:02] <paulo-falcao> Is the sound problem (alsa) solved?
[16:02] <[Hardy]TuTUXG> jack|Helium, read the Linux support part
[16:02] <paulo-falcao> does anyone known?
[16:02] <[Hardy]TuTUXG> no
[16:02] <osteenbergen> jack try "sudo lshw" it will list all your hardware and the driver that is currently controlling it
[16:02] <jack|Helium> [Hardy]TuTUXG: I see what you're saying. I have an A series laptop, though, with an ultrabay 2000
[16:02] <[Hardy]TuTUXG> jack|Helium, for harddrive?
[16:03] <paulo-falcao> Tutuxg, was that no for me?
[16:03] <cybercyst> osteenbergen: strace seems to show a EINVAL error when trying to access /dev/dri/card0
[16:03] <[Hardy]TuTUXG> paulo-falcao, yes
[16:04] <paulo-falcao> ok. :(
[16:04] <jack|Helium> [Hardy]TuTUXG: no, it has a CD/DVD drive in it right now. I'm thinking about getting a battery though
[16:04] <[Hardy]TuTUXG> paulo-falcao, it's not solved afaik
[16:04] <osteenbergen> cybercyst: did you run it as root?
[16:04] <paulo-falcao> ok, tks!
[16:04] <cybercyst> can't   .wine doesn't belong to root
[16:05] <osteenbergen> true
[16:05] <cybercyst> err, wait... actually i'm dumb, let me try
[16:05] <[Hardy]TuTUXG> jack|Helium, IDE hard disks and optical drives are supported by the ide-disk or ata_piix driver in the linux kernel. SCSI emulation via ide-scsi is possible. --> from that page
[16:06] <orvokki> cybercyst: You probably know running Windows programs in Wine as root isn't exactly safe?
[16:06] <[Hardy]TuTUXG> jack|Helium, so ur dvdrom should be handled automatically
[16:06] <cybercyst> yeah
[16:06] <cybercyst> but its just a check to see if i can stop these drmMap errors
[16:07] <osteenbergen> well i search google for the error but i get a lot of pages about 8.19 (very old :O)
[16:07] <cybercyst> yeah :/
[16:07] <cybercyst> same error as root
[16:07] <osteenbergen> which version does the repository use now?
[16:07] <cybercyst> of fglrx drivers? the latest
[16:08] <cybercyst> 8.3
[16:08] <jaffarkelshac> how can enter shell used to be alt + ctr + f2 but that does not work
[16:09] <Turski> ...
[16:09] <jack|Helium> [Hardy]TuTUXG: the problem is not that it doesnt work, but that there is no /proc/acpi/ibm/bay file, so I cannot hotplug (sorry that I wasn't clear)
[16:09] <a-v> If I want to send a question to a package maintainer, should I use the e-mail provided with the package (ubuntu-devel-discuss@lists.ubuntu.com)?
[16:09] <osteenbergen> i have the same problem with the shell jaffarkelshac.. just use gnome-terminal
[16:11] <jack|Helium> [Hardy]TuTUXG: this is the error I get when I try to load the thinkpad driver:
[16:11] <jack|Helium> [  200.060077] thinkpad_acpi: another device driver is already handling bay events
[16:11] <jack|Helium> [  200.060093] thinkpad_acpi: disabling subdriver bay
[16:12] <[Hardy]TuTUXG> jack|Helium, which means it's already been handled by another driver
[16:13] <jack|Helium> [Hardy]TuTUXG: which is my problem, I can't figure out what that other driver is, because the (acpi) bay driver is not loaded
[16:14] <osteenbergen> and you also cant load the bay driver?
[16:15] <[Hardy]TuTUXG> jack|Helium,  ls /dev/ | grep scd
[16:15] <jack|Helium> osteenbergen: yes, I can't load that either, it claims "no such device". I know that bay support works though, because It has worked in debian before
[16:15] <[Hardy]TuTUXG> plug it in first
[16:16] <jack|Helium> [Hardy]TuTUXG: it exists. I have a /dev/sdb too, which I'm assuming is the same thing, even though neither one is a link to the other
[16:17] <[Hardy]TuTUXG> jack|Helium, it's scd not sdc
[16:17] <jack|Helium> /dev/cdrom, /dev/dvd, etc all link to it
[16:17] <[Hardy]TuTUXG> jack|Helium, so just mount it
[16:17] <jack|Helium> [Hardy]TuTUXG: sorry, that was a typo
[16:18] <jaffarkelshac> how can i exportmy book makes
[16:18] <jaffarkelshac> bookmarks
[16:18] <osteenbergen> is there anything in the bay right now?
[16:18] <jack|Helium> [Hardy]TuTUXG: I can already do that, I just want to be able to eject it (the drive itself, from it's removale bay, not the cd in the drive. Sorry I just realized I could be interpreted that way)
[16:18] <jack|Helium> osteenbergen: the CD drive
[16:18] <jack|Helium> osteenbergen: actually, its a DVD drive
[16:19] <[Hardy]TuTUXG> jack|Helium, so it's working but no hotswap?
[16:19] <jack|Helium> [Hardy]TuTUXG: exactly
[16:19] <[Hardy]TuTUXG> jack|Helium, ok i understand u wrong
[16:19] <osteenbergen> maybe the driver for that dvd is using it.. if you unmount it and then try to use the module and then reinsert the DVD
[16:20] <jack|Helium> [Hardy]TuTUXG: no problem, I wasn't very clear about what was supposed to be ejecting
[16:20] <[Hardy]TuTUXG> jack|Helium, so what happened if u unplug it?
[16:21] <jack|Helium> [Hardy]TuTUXG: without sending the eject command first: nothing, untill I plug it back in. Then it sends out a really loud repeating siren untill I shut the computer down again...
[16:22] <azazel__> Good morning
[16:22] <osteenbergen> Good evening from here :)
[16:22] <azazel__> Is anyone here struggling with FGLRX?
[16:22] <osteenbergen> yeah cybercyst
[16:23] <azazel__> Then good evening =]
[16:23] <osteenbergen> he has a drmMap arror of LibGL when running wine
[16:23] <jack|Helium> azazel__: I dont have a 3d accellerated card (or I do, but I cant use it), but I think others are
[16:23] <azazel__> Ahh
[16:23] <Pici> FGLRX worked like a charm after installing the restricted driver... for me at least.
[16:23] <azazel__> I'm having problems watching flash videos
[16:24] <osteenbergen> 64 bit of 32?
[16:24] <Pici> Thats a fglrx issue?
[16:24]  * jack|Helium wishes that my mach64 had just a little more memory
[16:24] <azazel__> And 3d will ocassionally freeze the whole computer
[16:24] <azazel__> 32 bit here
[16:24] <cybercyst> well my fglrx is incredibly stable
[16:24] <osteenbergen> same here
[16:24] <Turski> Pici: ett... fglrx IS the restricted driver? :P
[16:24] <cybercyst> just doesn't work in wine :(
[16:24] <azazel__> What video card are you guys using?
[16:25] <osteenbergen> Ati 200M (do not buy this card ;))
[16:25] <crdlb> azazel__: using compiz?
[16:25] <Pici> Turski: I know, I only just said that weird
[16:25] <jack|Helium> azazel__: I've had that problem in the past, but it was with nvidia, and a lot of it had to do with my MOSFETS on my 680i mobo overheating
[16:25] <cybercyst> dear lord, that was my last video card osteenbergen, i am sorry
[16:25] <azazel__> I've disabled compiz
[16:25] <osteenbergen> Compiz is working but crappy as **
[16:25] <cybercyst> if i were you i would use the open source drive, it was better for me
[16:25] <cybercyst> *driver
[16:25] <azazel__> Compiz doesn't really affect anything other than flickering in 3d
[16:25] <Pici> I'm on an x1400.
[16:25] <cybercyst> i am on a radeon hd2600
[16:25] <osteenbergen> i cant run the open source..
[16:25] <crdlb> azazel__: what model do you have?
[16:25] <osteenbergen> it disables 3d :P
[16:25] <cybercyst> it does?  last i checked it was working...
[16:26] <cybercyst> just before i changed video cards....
[16:26] <azazel__> cybercyst, depends which card
[16:26] <crdlb> the 200M was only recently supported for 3d
[16:26] <azazel__> They have 3d support now for a bunch of cards
[16:26] <crdlb> and it's still not perfect
[16:26] <azazel__> crdlb, I'm using HD3650 512mb DDR2
[16:26] <osteenbergen> the fglrx driver for the 200M is almost perfect... suspend and some diagonal lines when running compiz
[16:27] <jamalf> Has anyone successfully installed Adobe Air yet? It fails for me every time I try. On both 8.04 and 7.10 =(... http://labs.adobe.com/technologies/air/
[16:27] <crdlb> ouch :)
[16:27] <azazel__> It works great for most desktop
[16:27] <azazel__> Except for flash video
[16:27] <cybercyst> i am still anxiously awaiting the maturing of the radeonhd open source driver
[16:27] <osteenbergen> what problem do you see with flash? no flash at all ?
[16:27] <azazel__> No
[16:27] <azazel__> It works great
[16:28] <W8TAH> whats the best player app for DVD movies on Heron -- im using the builtin movie player right now nad its working except it shows a lot of interlacing
[16:28] <azazel__> Except that when I try to change to a different video
[16:28] <azazel__> Firefox hangs
[16:28] <azazel__> And eventually crahses
[16:28] <azazel__> I tried with both FF3 beta
[16:28] <azazel__> And FF2
[16:28] <azazel__> Compiz has no effect on it
[16:28] <osteenbergen> I dont have that ^o) i only have a systemcrash if i watch with the totem plugin... but flash videos are working fine with fglrx
[16:28] <cybercyst> azazel__ are you on an amd64 system?
[16:29] <cybercyst> or 32-bit system?
[16:29] <azazel__> I'm running a phenom 9500 on a 32bit OS
[16:30] <cybercyst> what does xvinfo say?
[16:30] <azazel__> hold on
[16:30] <azazel__> -desktop:~$ xvinfo
[16:30] <azazel__> X-Video Extension version 2.2
[16:30] <azazel__> screen #0
[16:30] <azazel__>  no adaptors present
[16:30] <azazel__> IS that a bad thing? :P
[16:31] <mooboo1> they made a new GDM theme today... i don't like it, its too much white, like if the sun was shining on the computer, its looks very bad
[16:31] <cybercyst> yeah you have no xv support
[16:31] <azazel__> I see
[16:31] <cybercyst> its accelerated video support... you should have it
[16:31] <azazel__>  I believe everything is done with textured video, no?
[16:31] <osteenbergen> mooboo check ubuntu-art.org for some other GDM themes
[16:31] <cybercyst> flash uses it
[16:31] <azazel__> Ahh
[16:32] <cybercyst> cat /var/log/Xorg.0.log | grep XV
[16:32] <osteenbergen> sudo aticonfig --overlay-type=Xv ... that sets Xv
[16:33] <cybercyst> and in your xorg.conf you might want to add Option "TexturedVideo" "on" in your Section "Device" section
[16:33] <cybercyst> but with the phenom 9500 that might not be used for Xv support
[16:33] <osteenbergen> thats what my command does..only via the ati supplied program ;)
[16:33] <numus> azazel_ why are you running 32 on a phenom
[16:34] <azazel__> lol
[16:34] <osteenbergen> i am running 32 on a AMD64 :) it just works great ;)
[16:34] <azazel__> I've just had less trouble with 32bit in the past
[16:34] <numus> phenom is a quadcore
[16:34] <azazel__> I figured I'll let 64 mature more and make my life easier :P
[16:34] <osteenbergen> 64bit has some software problems that annoy me :P
[16:34] <numus> 64 is working great for me on a centrino duo
[16:35] <azazel__> ok brb
[16:35] <azazel__> Gonna try flash videos now
[16:35] <azazel__> And see what happens
[16:35] <osteenbergen> yeah but if you do a lot of programming courses you will find programs that are not 64 bit supported ;)
[16:35] <cybercyst> yeah i think i am going to try and reinstall with 32-bit to see if that doesn't fix my 3d acceleration in wine problems
[16:35] <osteenbergen> no
[16:35] <numus> great i messed up firefox somehow
[16:35] <osteenbergen> i would not do that
[16:35] <osteenbergen> just use the old 8.2 driver first and see if that is working
[16:36] <numus> cybercyst what 3d accelerator in wine problem
[16:36] <osteenbergen> saves you a lot of reinstall trouble
[16:36] <osteenbergen> he gets a drmMap error
[16:36] <numus> any chance you are running compiz?
[16:36] <osteenbergen> of libGL.. but i could not find a fix for it
[16:36] <cybercyst> i have no 3d acceleration in wine on my x86_64 system
[16:36] <cybercyst> i have 3d acceleration in everything else, but not wine
[16:36] <cybercyst> i am not running compiz
[16:37] <numus> oh
[16:37] <azazel__> Seems to work great now
[16:37] <cybercyst> numus: i get a drmMap error
[16:37] <cybercyst> was that your problem azazel?
[16:37] <Belisarivs> Hi all
[16:37] <typhox> hi
[16:37] <numus> cybercyst i have gotten that when the drivers are "loaded" but they really arent
[16:38] <Belisarivs> I spotted significant slowdown of compiz in Hardy compared to Gutsy.
[16:38] <numus> i just unenabled the drivers in hardware and reenable them but dont restart
[16:38] <osteenbergen> and cybercyst maybe running a envy setup will fix something
[16:38] <Belisarivs> Is it feature or bug?
[16:38] <cybercyst> i have installed the drivers every single way i know how, but i will try an envy setup
[16:38] <Belisarivs> I use Intel GMA950
[16:38] <cybercyst> it is something i haven't done yet
[16:38] <osteenbergen> it is always a feature.. its called somotionmode :D
[16:39] <numus> cybercyst ati?
[16:39] <osteenbergen> try to uninstall it and then install it
[16:39] <cybercyst> yeah
[16:39] <numus> cybercyst catalyst 8.02
[16:39] <cybercyst> i have tried uninstalling and reinstall
[16:39] <cybercyst> numus: catalyst 8.03
[16:39] <osteenbergen> no 8.3 (8.471)
[16:39] <numus> cybercyst have you used the catalyst wiki install?
[16:39] <cybercyst> yeah
[16:40] <cybercyst> i have installed and uninstalled from repositories and the manual way
[16:40] <numus> cybercyst keep in mind wine is also experimental
[16:40] <osteenbergen> envy works great with ati.. have done a lot of systems (32 bit) with it
[16:40] <cybercyst> yeah, but it always worked before :(
[16:40] <numus> cybercyst have you tried with vmware to see if it works there
[16:40] <osteenbergen> wine is almost 1.0 ;)
[16:40] <Amaranth> not that 1.0 means much
[16:40] <Amaranth> except that the wineserver protocol is stable
[16:41] <osteenbergen> well that it isn't experimental anymore
[16:41] <cybercyst> try installing windows under vmware? or 32-bit ubuntu and see if it works in that system?
[16:41] <crdlb> it'll always be experimental :)
[16:41] <numus> we soon will have wine 0.9999999999999999999999999999999
[16:41] <numus> cybercyst 32 bit ubuntu
[16:41] <osteenbergen> they have worked 15 years now the complete 1.0..
[16:41] <cybercyst> hrm, good idea, i guess that will be my next step
[16:42] <orvokki> Wine 1.0 will be out during the Summer afaik.
[16:42] <cybercyst> wine is a pretty solid app, and fills in the gaps of my linux system nicely
[16:42] <cybercyst> april i believe
[16:42] <orvokki> So soon?
[16:42] <osteenbergen> cybercyst why do you use wine btw for some windows applications or for gaming?
[16:42] <orvokki> Hmm, I recall it was a few months later.
[16:42] <numus> cybercyst i require programs that i HAVE to have windows.. unfortuetly..
[16:42] <Amaranth> 1.0 will not be perfect
[16:42] <Amaranth> it's just a number
[16:42] <osteenbergen> i use VirtualBox in seamless mode.. that works very great :)
[16:43] <numus> if you are gaming.. vmware with windows will be the best way i believe
[16:43] <orvokki> Amaranth: Nothing is perfect. :)
[16:43] <numus> Hardy Heron is perfect :-)
[16:43] <Amaranth> orvokki: it's not even particularly better than any other release
[16:43] <osteenbergen> VMware is pretty bulky... Virtualbox is smaller but has some little isseus
[16:43] <numus> anyone messed with vmware fusion?
[16:43] <orvokki> However, pre-1 has been officially a beta.
[16:43] <Amaranth> people keep expecting 1.0 to be the one that runs everything
[16:43] <warren_> quite perfect :)
[16:44] <osteenbergen> no ofcourse not but at least Photoshop :)
[16:44] <Amaranth> 1.0 has no guarantees on what will run and what won't and they don't even guarantee future releases won't have regressions from what works in 1.0
[16:44] <orvokki> Photoshop should run with current WIne.
[16:44] <orvokki> CS2, at least.
[16:44] <Amaranth> no they don't even guarantee photoshop, that's "nice to have"
[16:44] <Amaranth> if it breaks before 1.0 and doesn't get fixed they'll release 1.0 anyway
[16:44] <orvokki> Amaranth: No, as in it should work according to appdb with current Wine.
[16:44] <warren_> they will fix it if it got broken
[16:45] <numus> vmware fusion kinda takes wine to the next stage
[16:45] <numus> but right now it is only on osx
[16:45] <Amaranth> warren_: you should hope
[16:45] <osteenbergen> Virtualbox with seamless is Opensource so it takes VMWare Fusion to the next step ;)
[16:45] <TheFool> vmware fusion has nothing to do with wine...
[16:45] <osteenbergen> and now that sun has bougth the builders it will improve )
[16:45] <orvokki> And yes, I know that 1.0 only means that certain spesific project milestones are reached.
[16:45] <numus> thefool the concept.. you.. well fool
[16:45] <Amaranth> but seriously, all 1.0 is is a version number and a stable wineserver protocol
[16:46] <numus> amaranth stable is in the eye of the beholder
[16:46] <Amaranth> i doubt you even know what wineserver is though so it probably isn't important to you :)
[16:46] <osteenbergen> but does any of you know a solution to fix the missing TTY consoles?
[16:46] <orvokki> Amaranth: Quite a few of us do.
[16:46] <orvokki> Probably.
[16:46] <orvokki> At least to a degree.
[16:46] <Typhox> My SD card doesn't work. I followed http://www.thinkwiki.org/wiki/How_to_get_the_internal_SD-CARD_working#Ubuntu_6.10_.27edgy_eft.27: . Now the SD card is mounted when I insert it the first time. But after removing the card and inserting it again it is not recognized anymore until i reastart ubuntu. In addition to that i have no write-access to the Card because "read-only file system". I use...
[16:47] <Typhox> ...Ubuntu 8.04. It is a built-in-SD-Card-Reader. It works best under Windows.By SD-Card I mean a 2GB SanDisk micro SD in a SD-Card-case. How do I get it to work?
[16:47] <cybercyst> amaranth try ubuntuguide.org
[16:47] <numus> holy spammy crap
[16:47] <cybercyst> there is a guide there to fix a broken boot screen
[16:47] <TheFool> numus: lol, but seriously the concept don't even mesh. VMware relies on actually running the full windows OS wheras wine only loads a few reverse engineered binaries to emulate the win32 API etc.
[16:47] <cybercyst> it fixed my terminals for me
[16:47] <Amaranth> cybercyst: linking to ubuntuguide is a good way to get banned
[16:47] <osteenbergen> boot screen works
[16:47] <numus> typhox is the sd card formated?
[16:47] <Amaranth> and i don't have that problem, someone else does
[16:47] <cybercyst> ok, thanks for the warning
[16:47] <osteenbergen> only after a normal boot it doesn't
[16:47] <Amaranth> cybercyst: ubuntuguide is full of bad advice
[16:47] <numus> thefool fusion runs the windows outside the emulated OS
[16:48] <Typhox> numus: fat16
[16:48] <numus> typhox you need to get the ntfs write package
[16:48] <TheFool> numus: it appears to thats the point but it really does not
[16:48] <cybercyst> aight, well it fixed my broken boot screen and terminals
[16:48] <osteenbergen> Well for new beings ubuntuguid works
[16:48] <Amaranth> if you know enough about ubuntu to pick out the bad advice from the good you are not the target audience of ubuntuguide, which is the problem
[16:48] <Typhox> numus: where do i get it?
[16:48] <numus> thefool DUH... but since vmware is running the kernel.. it has a lot more compatibility
[16:48] <cybercyst> wow, didn't know, thanks for the update though
[16:49] <numus> typhox it is called NTFS Configuration tool
[16:49] <osteenbergen> ntfs write is not needed for FAT16
[16:49] <TheFool> numus: yea, but the whole purpose of wine was to get away from needing to run the kernel. Not just compatability
[16:50] <numus> thefool tru... so you cant complain the fact that some things arent compatible.. it can never assure 100% compatibility
[16:50] <numus> osteenbergen it has helped me in the past
[16:50] <TheFool> numus: until we can convinve programmers to write for wine compatability instead of windows. That way it will be guaranteed to work on both.
[16:50] <numus> osteenbergen granted that sd card might have been ntfs..
[16:51] <numus> thefool the world vs microsoft.. i think microsoft will still win...
[16:51] <numus> yes pun intended
[16:51] <Amaranth> TheFool: not true
[16:51] <TheFool> Amaranth: how not?
[16:51] <Amaranth> TheFool: in the wine testcases there are a bunch of tests that pass on wine but fail on windows
[16:52] <Amaranth> which means the tests are wrong and wine is still doing the wrong thing
[16:52] <osteenbergen> why should a programmer write wine compattible code? thats like the world upside down
[16:52] <numus> brb firefox decided to crap out.. so i need to restart X
[16:52] <Amaranth> osteenbergen: the idea being if they write it to work with wine it works without extra work on windows, of course
[16:52] <osteenbergen> i want to write a platform independant code so i code for windows and make sure it works with wine
[16:53] <Amaranth> osteenbergen: you'd be better served by .NET there, i think
[16:53] <TheFool> Amaranth: Do you have any links to that?
[16:53] <Amaranth> System.Windows.Forms on mono looks just as fugly as wine though so you don't gain much
[16:53] <osteenbergen> i could program anything platform independant.. it just that software developers are lasy and there is not enough fund to pay programmers to support Linux in most companies
[16:53] <TheFool> Amaranth: The test cases I mean
[16:53] <Amaranth> TheFool: to them failing on windows?
[16:54] <TheFool> Amaranth: yea
[16:54] <Amaranth> http://test.winehq.org/data/06d429d6b6b6d63beaeda130a3bb261ef3b9fb41/
[16:54] <Amaranth> there is one example
[16:56] <TheFool> Bah, well thats no fun
[16:56] <Amaranth> TheFool: http://test.winehq.org/data/200803301000/
[16:56] <Amaranth> that's the most recent test run, from what i can tell
[16:56] <creationist> Is there still no GUI for configuring the boot loader?
[16:56] <osteenbergen> yeah there is
[16:56] <osteenbergen> startupmanager
[16:56] <osteenbergen> pretty good and easy
[16:57] <creationist> Not installed by default, though?
[16:57] <osteenbergen> no just apt-get it
[16:57] <Amaranth> osteenbergen: err, isn't that for tweaking what things start on boot?
[16:57] <Amaranth> bootloader means grub
[16:57] <osteenbergen> i know ;)
[16:57] <Typhox> But after removing and again plugging in the SD-Card it is not mounted anymore. How do I mount it now?
[16:57] <osteenbergen> it configures basic needs
[16:57] <Pici> bum is for configuring services, sum is for the bootloader, (iird)
[16:58] <Pici> s/d/c
[16:58] <creationist> I'm looking for something that lets me configure grub... entries, etc.
[16:58] <osteenbergen> that is startupmanager :)
[16:58]  * TheFool starts booting up ubuntu again...I did not see any options for that. Thats pretty cool. 
[16:59] <creationist> osteenbergen: Yes, it is.  I like it... thank you.
[16:59] <osteenbergen> but thnx for reminding me to configure my GRUB to have a password on rescue mode..
[17:00] <creationist> I personally think this should be included by default for new linux users... but whatever.  I also think a decent IRC client should be installed and configured to go to #ubuntu :)
[17:00] <Typhox> How do I mount a SD-Card?
[17:00] <osteenbergen> just stick it into your drive and wait
[17:00] <osteenbergen> if it aint working check if your driver is present
[17:01] <osteenbergen> Hardy should automount all SD if driver is present
[17:01] <Typhox> But only the first time when i plug it in
[17:01] <Typhox> not the second time ~
[17:01] <osteenbergen> thats wierd ^o)
[17:02] <osteenbergen> and you dit unmount the drive correctly?
[17:02] <osteenbergen> ah diner is ready.. got to eat :)
[17:02] <Typhox> no, i just plugged it out
[17:03] <osteenbergen> you should try to unmount it before you unplug it.. that could be the problem... and it could cause data corruption
[17:03] <Typhox> aha
[17:03] <Typhox> how?
[17:05] <Typhox> I do not even know the name of it in /dev/
[17:11] <omar> Guys where do I get the aquarium cube feature for Compiz Fusion?
[17:11] <WarrenDUM> someone knows when kde 4.0.2 will be released? the day itself or not?
[17:12] <cybercyst> kde 4 looks pretty sweet....   i am just stuck on gnome now... i've been using it too long :(
[17:12] <WarrenDUM> ;)
[17:20] <randomoutburst> i have 8.04 and when i go to install amarok from synaptic for some reason it wont download all the libs anyone know why?
[17:21] <randomoutburst> do i need to add a certain kde repository to the list?
[17:21] <IdleOne> randomoutburst, what libs is it not downloading?
[17:21] <randomoutburst> there are 7 do you want me to list all of them?
[17:22] <IdleOne> I want to know if they are in universe or multiverse and if so did you enable those repos?
[17:22] <randomoutburst> W: Failed to fetch http://archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/pool/main/k/kdelibs/kdelibs-data_3.5.9-0ubuntu1_all.deb
[17:22] <randomoutburst>   404 Not Found
[17:22] <randomoutburst> W: Failed to fetch http://archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/pool/main/a/arts/libartsc0_1.5.9-0ubuntu1_amd64.deb
[17:22] <randomoutburst>   404 Not Found
[17:22] <randomoutburst> W: Failed to fetch http://archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/pool/main/a/arts/libarts1c2a_1.5.9-0ubuntu1_amd64.deb
[17:22] <randomoutburst>   404 Not Found
[17:22] <randomoutburst> W: Failed to fetch http://archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/pool/main/a/avahi/libavahi-qt3-1_0.6.22-2ubuntu3_amd64.deb
[17:22] <randomoutburst>   404 Not Found
[17:22] <randomoutburst> W: Failed to fetch http://archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/pool/main/k/kdelibs/kdelibs4c2a_3.5.9-0ubuntu1_amd64.deb
[17:22] <randomoutburst>   404 Not Found
[17:22] <randomoutburst> W: Failed to fetch http://archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/pool/main/a/amarok/amarok-xine_1.4.8-0ubuntu2_amd64.deb
[17:22] <IdleOne> randomoutburst, stop please
[17:22] <randomoutburst>   404 Not Found
[17:22] <randomoutburst> W: Failed to fetch http://archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/pool/main/a/amarok/amarok_1.4.8-0ubuntu2_amd64.deb
[17:22] <randomoutburst>   404 Not Found
[17:22] <IdleOne> Pici, that was 7 I believe he was done
[17:23] <randomoutburst> why was i kicked?
[17:23] <IdleOne> randomoutburst, welcome back :) dont do that again hehe
[17:23] <Pici> randomoutburst: Please use a pastebin!
[17:23] <IdleOne> floooding
[17:23] <Typhox> What is away stays away :-(
[17:23] <randomoutburst> oh my bad
[17:23] <Pici> http://pastebin.ca or http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org
[17:23] <IdleOne> !info kdelibs-data
[17:24] <Pici> Bots are both undergoing maintenance...
[17:24] <IdleOne> I see
[17:24] <IdleOne> thank you
[17:24] <void^> looks like he just didn't update recently
[17:24] <IdleOne> randomoutburst, try runing sudo apt-get dist-upgrade then try to install amarok again afterwards
[17:25] <randomoutburst> ok thanks
[17:25] <void^> apt-get update more importantly
[17:25] <IdleOne> randomoutburst, yeah do the update first then dist-upgrade if you wish
[17:26] <IdleOne> but doesnt dist-upgrade do same functions as update + dist-upgrade?
[17:27] <Pici> No.
[17:27] <IdleOne> ah
[17:27] <void^> dist-upgrade is just an upgrade that also pulls in new deps
[17:27] <cybercyst> envy didn't fix it :(
[17:28] <IdleOne> envy probably broke it
[17:28] <IdleOne> !envy
[17:28] <IdleOne> err bots
[17:28]  * IdleOne is to dependent on them bots
[17:29] <randomoutburst> so is it possible to go back to 7.10 without just reinstalling it?
[17:30] <Pici> No.
[17:30] <IdleOne> randomoutburst, yes if you have a seperate /home partition if not you will have to back up /home then re-install
[17:30] <randomoutburst> ohhh i see
[17:31] <IdleOne> well more precisely No. you cant
[17:32] <BUGabundo> were can I download and updated version of Ubuntu Training PDF?
[17:32] <BUGabundo> do I need to download all of it from bzr?
[17:33] <DanglyBits> how can i remote desktop into my hardy box from a work windowsxp box?
[17:33] <szabiakanich> hey all
[17:33] <Pici> DanglyBits: Use VNC.
[17:33] <szabiakanich> god a quick question
[17:33] <DanglyBits> is there a vnc server alreadin in hardy?
[17:34] <BUGabundo> DanglyBits: enable VNC, and access from XP win VNC
[17:34] <TheFool> normally I would think that was a typo but d and t are not next to each other...
[17:34] <szabiakanich> i installed the 8.04 beta and wanted to install xmms, but there's only xmms2, anybody know what happened to version 1?
[17:34] <BUGabundo> yes it is there already, DanglyBits
[17:34] <TCMC2010> szabiakanich, try audacious !
[17:34] <DanglyBits> how do i setup the server end on the hardy box?
[17:35] <TCMC2010> xmms depends on gtk 1, this really suckz...  :-P
[17:35] <szabiakanich> basically what i need is something that plays mp3, wav, flac and shn
[17:35] <TCMC2010> szabiakanich, audacious !
[17:35] <Pici> DanglyBits: Enable the remote desktop, in System>Preferences>Remote Desktop
[17:36] <DanglyBits> thanks
[17:37] <Zvezdichko> szabiakanich, Amarok
[17:38] <TheFool> Zvezdichko: except chances are he is on Ubuntu not Kubuntu and loading half of KDE to play some music is just insane
[17:39] <Zvezdichko> then Juk :)
[17:39] <Zvezdichko> oh, Rhythmbox
[17:39] <Zvezdichko> I mean
[17:39] <djdarkman> hello
[17:39] <szabiakanich> ok let me try audacios
[17:39] <szabiakanich> :)
[17:40] <szabiakanich> i also just noticed another small "bug"
[17:40] <djdarkman> are there any kown bugs about wine in hardy, wine doors and ie4linux seem to hang on "Creating wine prefix"
[17:40] <djdarkman> ?
[17:40] <szabiakanich> i'm on a laptop at the moment and if i don't work for a minute or so it dims the backlight, ok nothing new here, 'cause the option is enabled
[17:40] <szabiakanich> problem is that it doesn't bring up the brightness once i start working again
[17:41] <mnemonic_> djdarkman: are you sure they hang (and just don't take an awfully long time)? wineprefixcreate on its own works perfectly for me, although it takes about a minute to create it.
[17:42] <szabiakanich> also i just installed this beta yesterday and browsed the web with firefox when it suddenly became black and white and just got and error and closed, i had that two times yesterday. anybody have any similar experience?
[17:42] <djdarkman> mnemonic_: well I think if I compare it to my configuration it`s simply too much 10 min+ on amd 2.0 Ghz 1,2 GB RAM
[17:43] <djdarkman> and there are runaway wine processes that can`t be killed
[17:43] <Dannilion> Woah... the most recent updates have really slowed down my computer
[17:43] <Lynoure> szabiakanich: any memory what those pages were? The specific pages often play a big role in browser crashes...
[17:43] <ernstp> I have some usplash wierdness
[17:43] <ernstp> after the "pending" part, it drops to the console instead
[17:43] <szabiakanich> one was youtube
[17:44] <szabiakanich> and another one a forum
[17:44] <szabiakanich> www.mikeportnoy.com/forum
[17:44] <WarrenDUM> ernstp: reinstall usplash
[17:44] <ernstp> WarrenDUM: done that
[17:44] <WarrenDUM> removed the old config file?
[17:44] <ernstp> WarrenDUM: tried a number of things
[17:44] <WarrenDUM> did you try this:
[17:44] <ernstp> yeah, different resolutions, reconfigure, reinstall
[17:44] <WarrenDUM> sudo apt-get remove usplash --purge
[17:45] <WarrenDUM> and the sudo apt-get install usplash
[17:45] <WarrenDUM> i was on a usplash bug report and they made an update today
[17:45] <ernstp> note sure
[17:45] <WarrenDUM> or yesterday
[17:45] <Lynoure> szabiakanich: was it FF2 or FF3?
[17:46] <ernstp> I was, but I don't think that was related
[17:46] <mnemonic_> djdarkman: does wineprefixcreate work if you call it yourself?
[17:46] <szabiakanich> ff3 beta 4, the one that comes with 8.04
[17:46] <WarrenDUM> yes maybe
[17:46] <WarrenDUM> but can you see kdm? of gdm
[17:46] <ernstp> the wierd thing is that the "pending" mode works fine
[17:46] <Lynoure> szabiakanich: no instant crashes here at least
[17:47] <djdarkman> mnemonic_: I`ll try, I`m currently trying it with system settings, but it looks like it behaves the same
[17:47] <osteenbergen> crashes when doing what in FF3b4?
[17:48] <szabiakanich> well i opened a video on youtube and then the screen went black/white/dark and i couldn't work anymore and after a minute it gave this error that it had to close FF because of an error
[17:48] <ernstp> WarrenDUM: I'll try a reboot after the purge now!
[17:48] <szabiakanich> and another time i was browsing said forum (www.mikeportnoy.com/forum) and it just randomly crashed
[17:48] <WarrenDUM> can't enrstep : don't forget to reinstall usplash
[17:48] <WarrenDUM> too late :p
[17:49] <cybercyst> any idea why the webkit port of epiphany was dropped from the repositories?
[17:49] <osteenbergen> But did all the crashes occur with flash? or was there no flash banner on the forum?
[17:49] <Lynoure> FF3 still seems quite hoggy resourcewise on my system
[17:50] <szabiakanich> no flash banner on the forum, only gif
[17:50] <xoob> hey, i activated restricted driver nvidia but it's a mess, it says activated, xorg.conf has nvidia as driver but nvidia-settings says You do not appear to be using the NVIDIA X driver, and the ubuntu screen program says vesa
[17:50] <xoob> any ideas what to do now?
[17:50] <szabiakanich> and obviously on youtube there was flash
[17:50] <osteenbergen> xoob: check your Xorg.0.log
[17:51] <m1r> hello
[17:52] <osteenbergen> szabiakanich i dont think there is a solution yet (did some searching) but try normal FF and wait for a final version
[17:53] <xoob> osteenbergen, it says vesa too, I'm going to redo xorg.conf and see what happens, thanks for hint
[17:53] <osteenbergen> yeah but does it says vesa from the beginning or does it try to load the nvidia and it crashes?
[17:54] <djdarkman> mnemonic_: itt looks like wineprefixcreate hangs
[17:54] <osteenbergen> sudo less /var/log/Xorg.0.log | grep EE
[17:54] <osteenbergen> to find errors
[17:54] <mnemonic_> djdarkman: I have no idea what could be wrong. You could try to purge wine and reinstall and make sure that all packages installed do belong to hardy and that there are no leftovers from gutsy
[17:57] <bhsx> hi, does anyone have miro installed on hardy?  i'm having dependency issues
[17:57] <osteenbergen> no but i can check it for you
[17:57] <osteenbergen> wait just a sec
[17:57] <Armagguedes> has d-bus been disabled in hardy?
[17:57] <Armagguedes> i'm getting a couple of messages saying it's not available/not running
[17:57] <xoob> it doesn't try to load nvidia at all so i guess the ubuntu screen and graphics program messed up xorg.conf in some way. will redo xorg.conf run nvidia-settings and never touch the screen app again think :)
[17:57] <szabiakanich> thanks for the help guys:)
[17:58] <szabiakanich> btw. i'm giving audacious a try at the moment
[17:58] <szabiakanich> can't get the gapless playback to work though, it somehow cuts off the end/start of songs
[17:58] <osteenbergen> screen app is sometimes horrible when not using a open source driver.. never got a configuration done on my system with it
[17:59] <bhsx> also... does anyone know how to copy desktop settings over to other users?  if i have the desktop exactly how i want my wife and daughter to have their's started-off, how do i push that to my wife's/daugter's desktops?
[17:59] <osteenbergen> there is a program for it but i dont know the name
[17:59] <Stroganoff> copy all hidden folders in your home folder, bhsx
[17:59] <Armagguedes> bhsx, copy your /home/bhsx/.gnome or .kde folder
[17:59] <osteenbergen> i was about to suggest it
[17:59] <osteenbergen> :)
[17:59] <xoob> yea I can see why :) rebooting now thanks for help
[18:00] <bhsx> just do a straight copy?
[18:00] <osteenbergen> but bhsx i have got no dependency problems with "apt-get install miro"
[18:00] <bhsx> wont permissions and stuff be messed-up?
[18:00] <osteenbergen> do a chgrp / chown to the correct user
[18:00] <bhsx> osteenbergen: thanks...The following packages have unmet dependencies:
[18:00] <bhsx>   miro: Depends: libxine1 (< 1.1.8) but 1.1.10.1-2ubuntu1 is to be installed
[18:00] <bhsx> E: Broken packages
[18:00] <emretsim> I installed 8.04, it wanted a new broadcom driver -- which had to be downloaded from the internet. Unfortunately, I don't have a practical way of connecting through a wired connection so I keep booting back and forth into windows
[18:01] <emretsim> now i have two devices -- wlan0 and wmaster0
[18:01] <emretsim> wmaster0 seems like a ghost device
[18:01] <osteenbergen> did you do a apt-get update && apt-get update?
[18:01] <Armagguedes> bhsx or you can use APTonCD to clone your install
[18:01] <bhsx> Armagguedes: ooh, thanks, i forgot about that
[18:01] <bhsx> osteenbergen: yeah i did, i'll try again
[18:02] <osteenbergen> does aptoncd copy your setup/config files also?
[18:02] <emretsim> the network manager shows the network i want to connect to, yet whenever i try it says 0% connectivity
[18:03] <Armagguedes> osteenbergen, isn't aptoncd supposed to clone your entire install, configs included?
[18:03] <Armagguedes> or at least what you choose
[18:03] <osteenbergen> dont know that what i ask you ;)
[18:03] <Armagguedes> i thought it did
[18:03] <osteenbergen> i'll check it out
[18:03] <Armagguedes> if not, worse comes to worse, just aptoncd your entire package list and then copy yourr ~  by hand
[18:04] <osteenbergen> it sounds like it copies the .deb files of your system
[18:04] <Armagguedes> ghetto cloning if you will
[18:04] <osteenbergen> aptoncd only gets the packages...
[18:05] <osteenbergen> says the homepage
[18:05] <Armagguedes> gay..
[18:05] <Armagguedes> but i'll bet there's an installation cloner package somewhere
[18:05] <Armagguedes> .config's et al
[18:06] <osteenbergen> that would be handy (i reinstall the system every 4 months because i like to mess with my system and forget what i have done :P )
[18:06] <osteenbergen> so some basic configbackups would come in handy
[18:07] <Armagguedes> has d-bus been disabled in hardy? i'm getting a couple of messages saying it's not available/not running...
[18:07] <osteenbergen> dont know .. checking the logs :)
[18:08] <oddchild> Is anyone else having screen resolution issues with nvidia in ubuntu 8.04 ?
[18:08] <nDuff> My syslog is full of "kernel: Cannot read proc file system: 9 - Bad file descriptor.", and one of my cores is reading new messages with that same content from the kernel and summarizing them into syslog. Googling for the error doesn't find anything more recent than '98/99, and that pretty much comes down to encouragements to work around the issue rather than any *fix*. Anything I should be trying to track down what's gone wrong?
[18:08] <tgelter> should conky be using ~2-3 % cpu all the time?
[18:10] <osteenbergen> The pid file "/var/run/dbus/pid" exists: aka it has something running here
[18:10] <eldaria> Hey guys, I have notcied that since I installed gutsy I can no longer use tab in 'apt-get install' to search packages with the name i'm typing
[18:11] <eldaria> sorry make that Hardy
[18:11] <savvas> tgelter: i think you can make it use less, if it updates less often
[18:11] <eldaria> :)
[18:11] <osteenbergen> yeah still a missing feature.. they forgot to include the deb bash-completion
[18:11] <savvas> eldaria: that was fixed, sudo apt-get install bash-completion
[18:11] <eldaria> ok cool thanks
[18:11] <maccam94> idk where to report this, but i've been having a bug on an old dell laptop. after closing and reopening the lid, the screen stays black and unlit until i switch back to a virtual console and then back to X. xserver bug? radeon driver bug?
[18:12] <nDuff> ...hrm, is a vmlinux file (ideally w/ debug symbols) available for ubuntu's precompiled kernels? I'd *like* to use oprofile to try to figure out what's spinning.
[18:12] <osteenbergen> maybe you need to edit some lines in the acpi-support file
[18:12] <osteenbergen> or gdm config
[18:13] <osteenbergen> i dont know where .. looking for it
[18:13] <osteenbergen> i did know what is was ... :P
[18:14] <osteenbergen> owh maccam94 do you have a intel driver?
[18:14]  * nDuff wanders off to reboot... will read messages via /MEMOSERV if anyone knows what this might have been.
[18:15] <maccam94> osteenbergen, it's an old ati radeon 8200, with the radeon driver
[18:15] <osteenbergen> k
[18:16] <eldaria> savvas: would you happend to have a working config for bash-completion, after installing it I still don't have autocompletion on apt-get.
[18:17] <osteenbergen> SAVE_VBE_STATE & POST_VIDEO to FALSE in  /etc/default/acpi-support maccam94
[18:18] <osteenbergen> that should do the trick.. it disables buffering of the video in memory and thus activating the video card again to repaint he screen
[18:18] <tgelter> savvas: thanks, that's a good point, I'll take a look
[18:18] <maccam94> osteenbergen, k, i'll try it when i get home later
[18:18] <maccam94> osteenbergen, is this a reported bug?
[18:18] <osteenbergen> yeah
[18:19] <savvas> tgelter: once every 10-15 seconds should be great for a normal user :)
[18:19] <osteenbergen> eldaria it takes some time / maybe reboot to build the bash-completion database
[18:19] <savvas> tgelter: i think it's: update_interval 3.0
[18:19] <eldaria> ok thanks. :-)
[18:20] <osteenbergen> but if it is installed it will work :)
[18:20] <savvas> tgelter: sorry: update_interval 15.0
[18:20] <tgelter> savvas: just in one location? or for each graph?
[18:21] <savvas> tgelter: i think it's a general option: http://ph.ubuntuforums.com/showthread.php?t=718724
[18:21] <eldaria> well I just saw there was a couple of updates including an update for xkb so will reboot anyway since it might havse solved another bug I had with X crashing when swapping keyboard layout. see you soon. :-)
[18:21] <Typhox> How can I change the owner of a folder in /media/ ???
[18:22] <tgelter> savvas: thanks again
[18:22] <savvas> Typhox: for a folder: sudo chown -R user:user /media/folder/
[18:22] <savvas> n/p :)
[18:23] <Typhox> what does user:user mean?
[18:24] <jimiridge> username:group?
[18:24] <Typhox> aha
[18:24] <Typhox> What does "Operation not permitted" mean?
[18:25] <jimiridge> i'd tell you but Hobbsee told me not to feed the noobs
[18:25] <Typhox> ...
[18:25] <jimiridge> join #linux
[18:25] <Zvezdichko> ./ :)
[18:26] <savvas> Typhox: it means you need sudo
[18:27] <Typhox> savvas: That's wierd. I did sudo
[18:27] <savvas> Typhox: if sudo doesn't work, then it's not an ext3 filesystem (?)
[18:27] <Typhox> no, it's not
[18:27] <savvas> what filesystem is it? :)
[18:28] <Typhox> i mounted in that folder my SD-Card with FAT16
[18:28] <savvas> you can't apply any permissions there, fat doesn't understand them
[18:28] <Typhox> aha
[18:29] <Typhox> The problem is that i can just acces the files on the card as root and i want to change that
[18:29] <savvas> someone posted a bug about that permission problem: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+bug/157094
[18:29] <ubotwo> Launchpad bug 157094 in ubuntu "USB mass storage devices are mounted with unsafe permissions" [Undecided,Incomplete]
[18:32] <Typhox> that's good but i want to access my files on my sd-card with my GUI and i don't want to type the full path everytime into the console and so on...
[18:32] <savvas> Typhox: file a different bug about it
[18:33] <savvas> "hardy - can view sd-card only as root"
[18:33] <savvas> provide: sudo lspci -nnv && sudo lsusb -v
[18:33] <savvas> (as a log I mean)
[18:34] <SpudDogg> Does anyone know of a fix for hardy & ipw3945 & wpa?
[18:35] <Pici> My intel 3945 worked out of the box with wpa and iwl3945, using network-manager.
[18:36] <savvas> that's a pci?
[18:37] <SpudDogg> Pici:  i've been trying to get this working for like 3 days now
[18:37] <savvas> because I'm looking to buy one that works:)
[18:37] <Pici> SpudDogg: I just re-installed hardy over the weekend and it was working from the moment I installed it.
[18:38] <SpudDogg> Pici:  if i have an old version on disc, it would upgrade when i install the upgrades, correct?
[18:38] <Pici> SpudDogg: It should.
[18:39] <SpudDogg> Pici:  i just downloaded the iso last night, but i got it from torrents, and i have done all the upgrades, of course.  wicd, network manager, none of it works for me.  is there a config file to manually put the key in?  i dont trust network-manager, besides i have to try something else
[18:39] <stefg> Typhox: in the meantime a possible workarounf can be to write your own udev rule for it
[18:39] <stefg> !udev rules | Typhox
[18:39] <ubotwo> Typhox: Ever wanted to make your USB-stick /dev/usbstick? Go to http://reactivated.net/writing_udev_rules.html to learn more about this feature.
[18:40] <Typhox> aha
[18:53] <eternal_p> anyone her having any problems with vbox USB passthrough and H.H.?
[18:53] <SpudDogg> I am still having issues connecting to my WPA2 network under Hardy with an IPW3945.  /var/log/syslog shows that authentication and association are working properly, but then gives this error: "wlan0 (WE) : Wireless Event too big (320)"  Does anyone have any ideas?
[18:54] <collusion> Hello, I'm trying to debug kernel suspend on hardy for an x40 laptop.  I got a "hash matches device ptyq9" while DebuggingKernelSuspend; is there really a module I can unload for that?
[18:55] <osteenbergen> i will check it eternal_p
[18:56] <osteenbergen> sry.. installed wrong version for USB support got the OSE version
[18:56] <osteenbergen> so cant check it
[18:56] <eternal_p> no worries
[18:59] <savvas> Pici: the drivers for ipw3945 are automatically installed or are they included by default?
[19:00] <Pici> savvas: iwl3945 is used by default if the detected hardware is present.
[19:01] <savvas> Pici: same stands for iwlwifi? I found this intel 4965 pci card, think it will work?
[19:01] <Pici> savvas: Probably
[19:01] <savvas> ok ty :)
[19:02] <savvas> linux-ubuntu-modules-2.6.24-8-generic: /lib/modules/2.6.24-8-generic/ubuntu/wireless/iwlwifi/iwlwifi/compatible/iwl4965.ko
[19:02] <savvas> oh yeah :P
[19:03] <savvas> (linux-ubuntu-modules-2.6.24-12-generic too)
[19:12] <MattOv> hi all - can anyone help me with a problem with thin clients hanging with 8.04
[19:12] <IdleOne> hanging?
[19:13] <MattOv> just sits at bs=1024, sz=143508
[19:13] <mnemonic_> An fdisk check?
[19:13] <mnemonic_> fsck, I mean
[19:15] <MattOv> I think it is to do with the AMD64 on the server and the clients being 32bit - I have built the client as arch i386 but still no luck
[19:17] <savvas> If I buy an atheros-based router with 802.11n and an intel-based pci with 802.11n, I won't have any problems?
[19:17] <osteenbergen> just google for it and see ;)
[19:17] <savvas> I mean the difference in the chips doesn't make any difference does it?
[19:18] <osteenbergen> no
[19:18] <osteenbergen> if there exist drivers then you are okee :)
[19:19] <savvas> great
[19:21] <esox> hi if I install hardy-studio will it be automatically updated ? and is it very unstable ?
[19:22] <savvas> if it's hardy, it's probably unstable, until the end of april :)
[19:22] <Neowam> hi all
[19:22] <Neowam> someone experiences with wine and office 2003 and ubuntu 8.04?
[19:22] <esox> savvas: but will it be automatically updated ?
[19:23] <esox> savvas: TO THE STABLE VERSION
[19:23] <esox> savvas: sorry for the letters
[19:23] <jbroome> you should get all the hardy updates as they come out.  don't know about "automatically"
[19:24] <Flannel> as automatically as daily updates
[19:24] <esox> jbroome: I mean I will not be obliged tyo reinstall to have the stable version ?
[19:24] <Flannel> esox: no.  You've got hardy, you just need the stable updates (once they come out)
[19:24] <savvas> esox: probably not, i think it's just a package :)
[19:24] <jbroome> no, just keep running updates
[19:24] <savvas> ubuntustudio-desktop
[19:25] <esox> ok, because I need to reinstall, so I would like to avoid installing gutsy to reinstall fot hardy...
[19:25] <jbroome> download the hardy iso and go from there
[19:25] <esox> jbroome: thanks
[19:27] <osteenbergen> esox do you want a release upgrade but not a complete reinstall?
[19:27] <esox> osteenbergen: my gutsy is corrupted, I need to reinstall a fresh version
[19:28] <MattOv> does anyone know why the thin client load hangs at bs=1024, sz=143508
[19:28] <rocky> anyone having problems with svn complaining about libneon ?
[19:29] <osteenbergen> yeah if its corrupted then a cd reinstall would be best (if you have backups)
[19:30] <esox> osteenbergen: and it will be updated to the stable version ?
[19:31] <savvas> esox: hardy's not stable yet
[19:31] <esox> savvas: very unstable ?
[19:31] <savvas> once you reinstall you hit the update manager to start downloading updates
[19:31] <savvas> I wouldn't say very, but you should know your way through if anything breaks
[19:31] <esox> savvas: ok
[19:32] <esox> I'm mostly make music, it will be hardy-studio
[19:32] <cybercyst> hardy is going to be released soon?
[19:32] <osteenbergen> 24 days left ;)
[19:32] <cybercyst> oh wow
[19:33] <cybercyst> i thought it would be the start of april
[19:33] <osteenbergen> nope 24 april
[19:33] <savvas> google hardy release schedule :P
[19:33] <cybercyst> yeah yeah :)
[19:33] <Lynoure> cybercyst: Start of April is kind of a bad day for serious stuff
[19:33] <osteenbergen> indeed :)
[19:33] <savvas> mehehehe
[19:33] <cybercyst> i guess that is true
[19:33]  * savvas looks at Hobbsee and prepares for the worst :P
[19:34] <savvas> it's the 1st of april where you are?
[19:34] <osteenbergen> netherlands.. still 31 here
[19:35] <Cristatus> i have a problem with the panels on HH
[19:35] <osteenbergen> what kind of a problem/
[19:36] <Cristatus> the bottom panel keeps switching places
[19:36] <Cristatus> it likes going to the top
[19:36] <Cristatus> and then not coming down
[19:36] <Cristatus> don't know why
[19:36] <osteenbergen> yeah that quallifies as a wierd problem...
[19:37] <Cristatus> is there any known solutions?
[19:37] <osteenbergen> dont know will look for it
[19:37] <rawbin> greetings. Is there a utility that can allow me to switch from proprietary nvidia drivers to a plain framebuffer driver when needed ?
[19:38] <rocky> ugh, my filesystem just went into read-only mode :(
[19:38] <rawbin> At the cost of restarting my x session if needed.
[19:38] <rawbin> I recall some utility being present in gutsy but cannot seem to find something equivalent in hardy.
[19:38] <osteenbergen> do you know the name?
[19:39] <rawbin> osteenbergen, I'm racking my brain to try and remember but cannot seem to.. sorry.
 where i can find assingment files to applications.
[19:41] <osamak> hello, i installed new beta of ubuntu, but 'shift' botten doesn't work. what to do
[19:41] <rocky> anyone have thoughts on the most common reason a ubuntu filesystem (ext3) would be corrupted enough to have to do a manual fsck and then reports of tons of inodes being multiply linked, etc ?
[19:41] <loa> my kate didn't want open text files, from menu(
[19:41] <rocky> perhaps a bad hard drive ?
[19:41] <osteenbergen> Cristatus have you tried removing all panels and add them again?
[19:41] <MattOv> I think I have a problem with Ltsp and nbd-client with 64bit server and i386 clients - does anyone know anythign about this?
[19:41] <osamak> also, all other control bottens
[19:42] <Cristatus> no i haven't
[19:42] <Cristatus> i will try that
[19:42] <Cristatus> but i don't know how to add them again, after i do remove them
[19:42] <osteenbergen> rocky that sounds like a bad harddrive but you can always check it multiple times and maybe do a reinstall
[19:42] <osteenbergen> well you remove one at a time
[19:43] <osteenbergen> cristatus and then click on the other one and choose add panel
[19:44] <osamak> i installed new beta of ubuntu, but 'shift' botten doesn't work. what to do
[19:44] <Cristatus> but what if i remove all of them
[19:44] <osteenbergen> dont know ^o)
[19:44] <Cristatus> ok
[19:44] <osteenbergen> haven't tried :)
[19:44] <Cristatus> no problem
[19:44] <Cristatus> i'll do it this way
[19:44] <Cristatus> thanks
[19:44] <Cristatus> gtg
[19:44] <osteenbergen> osamak did you select the correct keyboard during installation?
[19:45] <osamak> let me check
[19:45] <savvas> crimsun: you mean it does that when you logoff and login?
[19:45] <savvas> oops sorry crimsun
[19:47] <m1r> what to do with prism54usb not working as it should ? what can happen if i copy old prism54usb from 7.10 to 8.04 ?
[19:48] <macsim_> hi, I use Creative Labs SB Live! EMU10k1, the sound is fine, but my booster (i'm not sure for of the word, the box how does the bass) doesn't work, I did like on gusty, up the level of Surround but no sound, any idea ? thanks
[19:48] <DanaG> SBLive is actually CA0106 driver.
[19:48] <macsim_> DanaG, so I have to change the module ?
[19:48] <DanaG> Is it using emu10k1?  That's odd.
[19:48] <jc-denton> hi all
[19:48] <DanaG> Anyway, take a look in the menus of the gnome volume thingy.
[19:49] <DanaG> It hides controls by default.
[19:49] <macsim_> DanaG, it choose EMU10K1 by default gonna change the module for try
[19:49] <jc-denton> i figured out why my cpufreq scaling did not work
[19:49] <jc-denton> root@compaq:~# modprobe speedstep-centrino
[19:49] <jc-denton> FATAL: Error inserting speedstep_centrino (/lib/modules/2.6.24-12-generic/kernel/arch/x86/kernel/cpu/cpufreq/speedstep-centrino.ko): No such device
[19:49] <jc-denton> however
[19:49] <MattOv> has anyone got ltsp working with an AMD64 server and i386 clients with 8.04?
[19:49] <jc-denton> "No such device"
[19:49] <jc-denton> wtf!?
[19:50] <DanaG> Eeh, just try using the mixers first.
[19:50] <osteenbergen> maybe your hardware uses a different driver
[19:50] <macsim_> DanaG, I try the mixer, active everything and up level but no sound
[19:51] <DanaG> aah.
[19:51] <DanaG> Try toggling "Analog/Digital" switch.
[19:51] <osteenbergen> MattOv did you do: "Add --arch i386 to your ltsp-build-client command."
[19:52] <cppmonkey> I know I'm only knit picking but I dont like the new Time Zone selection. its soo hard to click the City. I ended up finding London in the drop down bar instead
[19:52] <DanaG> It may be hidden; unhide it by going edit->preferences (in gnome-volume-control) and checking everything there.
[19:52] <osteenbergen> haha same here cppmonkey
[19:52] <Stroganoff> where is the gnome-keyring-manager in hardy?
[19:52] <osteenbergen> the old one was better
[19:52] <macsim_> DanaG, no change I switch SB Live Analog/Digital output jack
[19:52] <macsim_> DanaG, I Switch off and Switch on
[19:52] <osteenbergen> Encryption and Keyrings under Preferences
[19:53] <Stroganoff> osteenbergen: i mean the package. has it been renamed?
[19:53] <DanaG> Hmm, does dmesg show anything about audio?  Don't paste it; just describe it.
[19:53] <osteenbergen> dont know.. checking it
[19:53] <macsim_> DanaG, any pattern to search ? audio ? sblive ?
[19:53] <osamak> osteenbergen: stills.. i can't even click 'backspace' contnua
[19:54] <esox> the latest version available is hardy beta ?
[19:54] <DanaG> Hmm, 'emu' may work.
[19:54] <osteenbergen> Stroganoff: the menu link goes to "seahorse-preferences"
[19:54] <Stroganoff> gnome-keyring is available, gnome-keyring-manager is not (in hardy repo)
[19:54] <osteenbergen> so it could be renamed
[19:54] <macsim_> DanaG, nothing about sound
[19:54] <osamak> osteenbergen: 'question mark'
[19:54] <macsim_> DanaG, just few line with scsi emulation
[19:54] <Stroganoff> i doubt seahorse is responsible for wpa key storage, is it?
[19:55] <DanaG> Odd.  Then perhaps unloading snd-emu10k1 (or maybe snd-emu10k1-synth first), and then loading snd-ca0106 may work.
[19:55] <osamak> i can't write it, hehe
[19:55] <osteenbergen> osamak which keyboard did you select? and did you try the keyboard test box?
[19:55] <macsim_> DanaG, I try this
[19:55] <MattOv> Has anyone managed to get LTSP going on 8.04 with AMD64 server and i386 clients?
[19:55] <osamak> osteenbergen: i'm using dell computer, so i selected dell keyboard
[19:55] <clusty> hey
[19:56] <clusty> i am having a bit of a trouble with the X
[19:56] <osteenbergen> Maybe you need to try a US International keyboard
[19:56] <clusty> i have an intel video card on my laptop and after the thing autodetects it and puts the right driver the image is extremely small (does not stretch full screen)
[19:57] <clusty> any clues as to why this occurs?
[19:57] <macsim_> DanaG, no change with this module, do you want a pastbin of my lsmod ?
[19:57] <DanaG> I'm not sure that'd help.
[19:57] <DanaG> Anything new in dmesg after loading it?
[19:57] <macsim_> DanaG, you'll see what's load
[19:57] <macsim_> DanaG, no
[19:58] <DanaG> Is it one of those odd Dell OEM ones?  Those use an entirely different module, oddly enough.
[19:58] <macsim_> DanaG, no it's a classic sblive 128
[19:59] <macsim_> DanaG, and it's the first time I'm in trouble with it
[19:59] <DanaG> Oh, then it may be a PulseAudio issue, if the issue is new in Hardy.
[19:59] <DanaG> I'd forgotten about that.
[20:00] <macsim_> DanaG, I install puseaudio I change my device to it ? on System->sound ?
[20:00] <DanaG> (I think it's silly to have PulseAudio by default, if they aren't going to install the GUI stuff for it also.)
[20:00] <DanaG> !pulseaudio
[20:00] <DanaG> ubotu is MIA.
[20:01] <jbroome> noooooo
[20:01] <crimsun> run the alsa-info.sh script first.
[20:02] <crimsun> "SBLive" is much too vague to be useful; we need the SSID and codec spew.
[20:04] <clarezoe> can anyone recommend a desktop search tool? tracker, beagle, google desktop, deskbar-applet? I don't which one to choose
[20:04] <crimsun> macsim_: (by alsa-info.sh, I mean http://hg.alsa-project.org/alsa/raw-file/tip/alsa-info.sh)
[20:04] <DanaG> That reminds me.... I want to check how Creative's stock is doing.  After the huge backlash approximately yesterday, it should be going down.
[20:04] <macsim_> crimsun, sorry I didn't seen you talk to me
[20:04] <m1r> clarezoe: gnome-do seems fine
[20:05] <macsim_> crimsun, I run it
[20:05] <osteenbergen> clarezoe just use the hardy build in
[20:05] <osteenbergen> and gnome-do is nice, but i dont know it the fixed the command issue...
[20:06] <macsim_> crimsun, you're script doesn't work alsa-info.sh: 255: [[: not found
[20:06] <crimsun> macsim_: use bash.  And it's not "my" script (though I did contribute to it).
[20:06] <macsim_> crimsun, ok I have to run it bash alsa-info.sh ;)
[20:07] <clarezoe> m1r, osteenbergen, thanks. tracker and deskbar-applet seem recommended by default, but they eat most of my CPU and memory usage, I'll try gnome-do
[20:07] <macsim_> crimsun,  http://pastebin.ca/965050
[20:07] <macsim_> Dabiged, http://pastebin.ca/965050
[20:08] <macsim_> DanaG, http://pastebin.ca/965050
[20:08] <macsim_> excuse me Dabiged
[20:09] <crimsun> macsim_: haven't unmuted 'Tone' yet.
[20:09] <macsim_> crimsun, no I look at that
[20:09] <osteenbergen> clarezoe gnome-do works great if you type commands like (gnome-system-monitor) because then it will run a terminal and then run the program
[20:10] <osteenbergen> and gnome-do has some nice plugins
[20:10] <crimsun> #   Front Left: Playback [off]
[20:10] <crimsun> #  Front Right: Playback [off]
[20:10] <macsim_> crimsun, if I switch it on, my speaker 'split' sound is too loud
[20:11] <crimsun> macsim_: what is your "split" sound?
[20:11] <clarezoe> osteenbergen, thank you very much, I'll try it
[20:11] <crimsun> and technically, Tone should be unmuted.
[20:11] <macsim_> crimsun, lol, I'm not english, in my language it's when the sound is dirty, like when the sound it too high on poor speaker, you know what I mean ?
[20:12] <DanaG> Oh, clipping.
[20:12] <macsim_> maybe ;)
[20:12] <DanaG> I leave tone muted so tone controls don't take effect.
[20:12] <DanaG> I like my audio to be "flat".
[20:12] <macsim_> ;)
[20:12] <crimsun> macsim_: the gain is set way too high when 'PCM' is > %77
[20:12] <crimsun> look at your mixer output, and you'll note that yours is %90
[20:13] <crimsun> depending on the revision of your ac'97 codec, you may need to decrease 'Wave*', too
[20:13] <macsim_> crimsun,  I down it but no change the sound still clipping
[20:14] <macsim_> crimsun, ok now the sound don't clipping with tone on
[20:14] <macsim_> crimsun, but my surround still dont work
[20:14] <crimsun> macsim_: you're confusing me.  Are you trying to get surround working or tone control working?
[20:15] <macsim_> crimsun, surround
[20:15] <crimsun> macsim_: well, are you actually using the correct virtual device?
[20:15] <macsim_> crimsun, can't tell what do you mean ?
[20:16] <crimsun> e.g., `aplay -Dplug:surround40 /usr/share/sounds/*up.wav'
[20:16] <crimsun> if that doesn't map correctly, you should test with speaker-test
[20:16] <macsim_> crimsun, your command aplay works
[20:16] <crimsun> e.g., speaker-test -c4 -Dplug:surround40
[20:16] <crimsun> macsim_: so your surround works just fine.  No problem here, move along.
[20:17] <J-_> Does the program, 'identity', have private information?
[20:17] <J-_> fI just had a crash, and would like to report it.
[20:17] <DanaG> Oh, I remember something: PulseAudio uses "Front" by default.
[20:17] <macsim_> crimsun, when I start speaker-test my surround work
[20:17] <crimsun> yes, 'Front' is intentional.
[20:18] <crimsun> it's the only one that's even vaguely close to mapping correctly for the largest portion of audio cards.
[20:18] <DanaG> aah.
[20:18] <macsim_> crimsun, it's work when it past to back left and back right
[20:18] <crimsun> e.g., try surround71 on a USB headset for great hilarity.
[20:19] <macsim_> crimsun, now I've seen my surround work where can I fix the mixer about it ? on default mixer ? in pulseaudio ?
[20:20] <crimsun> tell pulseaudio to upmix, for instance.
[20:20] <macsim_> crimsun, how ?
[20:20] <crimsun> (DanaG could help with that if he's available & willing)
[20:20] <macsim_> :)
[20:20] <macsim_> crimsun, If you have no time, no problem, thanks a lot anyway
[20:21] <DanaG> Oh, you have to edit /etc/pulse/daemon.conf
[20:21] <macsim_> :)
[20:21] <DanaG> You can make PulseAudio use 6 channels by default, instead of 2.
[20:21] <macsim_> DanaG, I change default-sample-channels ?
[20:21] <Luckrider> does anyone know how to allow me to access a folder as root without logging out?
[20:21] <DanaG> Yeah.
[20:22] <DanaG> And uncomment it.
[20:22] <macsim_> DanaG, ok
[20:22] <DanaG> Luckrider: gksu nautilus
[20:22] <macsim_> nothing to reload/restart ?
[20:22] <osteenbergen> Luckrider just do su in console
[20:22] <Luckrider> in terminal DanaG?
[20:22] <osteenbergen> and type the root password
[20:22] <Luckrider> it isn't terminal
[20:22] <Scientus> how do i enable the runing of perl commands without perl x??? it was automatic before but somehow it is not now and it is messing up my programs
[20:22] <Luckrider> I want to change the firefox folder
[20:22] <DanaG> Luckrider: you can do the 'gksu' thing in the alt-f2 'run' prompt.
[20:22] <Scientus> they wont run if i just type the command names
[20:23] <osteenbergen> why would you want to change the FF folder?
[20:23] <macsim_> DanaG, I apply the change, and what's next ? restart pulseaudio ?
[20:23] <DanaG> Yeah.
[20:23] <Luckrider> I want to add a pic in the folder
[20:23] <Luckrider> for simdock
[20:23] <macsim_> DanaG, It's done
[20:23] <osteenbergen> aha
[20:24] <osteenbergen> well alt-f2 "gksu nautulis" would do the trick
[20:24] <macsim_> DanaG, no change I only have sound in my speaker
[20:24] <Luckrider> the first one worked
[20:24] <DanaG> macsim_: do you have all the PulseAudio GUI thingies installed?
[20:24] <DanaG> Like 'padevchooser'.
[20:25] <macsim_> DanaG, yeap
[20:25] <DanaG> Go to the PulseAudio volume control, and look at Output Devices.
[20:25] <macsim_> DanaG, It's started and the icons is next my hour
[20:25] <DrHala1> hez
[20:25] <DrHala1> i dont find any linux headers for 2.6.24-10-generic
[20:25] <macsim_> DanaG, you want a screenshoot ?
[20:25] <macsim_> DanaG, ALSA PCM on front:0 (ADC Capture/Standard PCM Playback) via DMA
[20:25] <DanaG> Naah, just tell me: does it show 6 channels on the SBLive! card?
[20:26] <macsim_> DanaG, no just 2
[20:26] <macsim_> DanaG, I did sudo /etc/init.d/pulseaudio restart
[20:26] <DanaG> Hmm, did you actually uncomment the changed default-sample-channels line?
[20:26] <DanaG> Aah, pulseaudio isn't a daemon that way.
[20:26] <macsim_> DanaG, yes I remove the ;
[20:26] <macsim_> DanaG, ah so killall pulseaudio ?
[20:26] <DanaG> you have to go to console and run 'pulseaudio --kill' and then 'pulseaudio &'
[20:27] <DanaG> and then type 'exit' instead of just closing the terminal.
[20:27] <macsim_> DanaG, W: alsa-util.c: Device hw:0 doesn't support 6 channels, changed to 2.
[20:27] <DanaG> Odd.
[20:28] <DanaG> Do you have two sound cards?  Perhaps the onboard is hw:0.
[20:28] <macsim_> DanaG, onboad is disabled on my bios
[20:28] <crimsun> (remember he needs to change hw:0.)
[20:29] <DanaG> Hmm.  For me, just changing sample channels worked.
[20:29] <DanaG> That's odd.
[20:29] <macsim_> crimsun, any idea ?
[20:29] <DanaG> is the pulseaudio-module-hal package installed?
[20:29] <macsim_> DanaG, yes
[20:31] <DanaG> Oh yeah, a regression in the latest padevchooser: right-clicking it does absolutely nothing at all.
[20:32] <crimsun> I don't even use PA, so yeah, anything of that sort would be a regression ;)
[20:32] <DanaG> Left-clicking works, though, but it does what right-clicking should also do: pop up the menu.
[20:33] <osteenbergen> i i'm trying it now.. sees good.. only my sound is really low
[20:33] <macsim_> DanaG, something is strange, I start pulseaudio like you said, in output device I see 6 channels but front center is mute and I can't switch it on
[20:33] <DanaG> Worst UI I've ever seen in a Windows tray app: non-obvious icon, no tooltip with a name, and no response to any mouse events.
[20:33] <DanaG> Any app that behaves like that might as well be malware, in my book.
[20:34] <macsim_> DanaG, lol now it work
[20:34] <macsim_> DanaG, pulseaudio start with this Device hw:0 doesn't support 6 channels, changed to 2
[20:34] <macsim_> DanaG, front center is mute
[20:34] <macsim_> DanaG, but surround works
[20:35] <DanaG> Hmm, open alsamixer in console, perhaps.
[20:35] <crimsun> DanaG: while I agree it's suboptimal, it does what primary-click is supposed to.  It exposes the primary functionality that, in this case, /is/ the menu.
[20:35] <DanaG> Secondary-click shouldn't do "nothing", though.
[20:35] <crimsun> shortly it will be moot, anyway.  All these controls will be in GNOME.
[20:35] <hwilde> any ssh port forwarding experts here?  I need to keep an ssh process alive through dhcp changing addresses, or have it reconnect, or avoid the close_wait delays.  any takers?
[20:36] <DanaG> Oh, and knetworkmanager has its things backwards: left-click opens "connection status" but right-click opens list of networks.
[20:36] <osteenbergen> not me
[20:36] <crimsun> hwilde: I'm not sure that's really the ideal way.
[20:36] <macsim_> DanaG, with alsamixer it's work fine
[20:37] <macsim_> DanaG, last question, how am I suppose to start it at boot ?!
[20:37] <DanaG> It should start at login.
[20:37] <crimsun> hwilde: what are you hoping to maintain, anyhow?  e.g., if it's on a stable remote server and cli-based, use screen.
[20:37] <macsim_> DanaG, lovely, thanks a lot for all your answer.
[20:37] <hwilde> crimsun, eth01, I have two devices, wired server and wireless roamer.  the wireless roamer changes IPs via dhcp when it goes through floor or buildings.  It establishes ssh -N -R to the wired server.  how can I keep this alive while the roamer changes via dhcp, or have it re-establish fast?
[20:37] <osteenbergen> well thats a big problem.. if i watch a video file my X hangs and reboots
[20:37] <macsim_> Thanks a lot too crimsun
[20:38] <zniavre> !bugs
[20:38] <DanaG> Oh yeah, is the alsa wrapper for pulseaudio now installed and enabled by default?
[20:38] <zniavre> !launchpad
[20:38] <crimsun> ...the alsa wrapper?
[20:38] <macsim_> DanaG, ?
[20:38] <zniavre> damned    sorry
[20:38] <DanaG> The thing that lets you 'asoundconf set-pulseaudio'
[20:39] <hwilde> crimsun, eth01, the other problem is the port and sshd on the server go into state CLOSE_WAIT for 2 minutes and the roamer cannot re-establish
[20:39] <crimsun> DanaG: alsa-utils has provided asoundconf for several releases now.
[20:39] <DanaG> oh, module-pcm-pulse or something like that.
[20:39] <crimsun> DanaG: meaning the alsa-lib pulse plugin?
[20:39] <DanaG> Yeah, that's what I meant.
[20:39] <DanaG> It's in the libasound2-plugins package.
[20:40] <crimsun> no, only for edubuntu.
[20:40] <crimsun> (since they need it for LTSP.)
[20:40] <DanaG> Hmm, then no wonder PulseAudio has been breaking other audio apps.
[20:40] <crimsun> err, what?
[20:40] <hwilde> crimsun, eth01, can I make the sshd exit immediately instead of the closewait state?  the roamer knows when it gets a new dhcp and tries to re-establish, but sometimes it cannot bind to the port on the server until it lets go
[20:41] <DanaG> I keep hearing people complaining about broken audio, that ends up being due to PulseAudio using the wrong audio chip, or merely blocking the sound card.
[20:41] <crimsun> hwilde: CLOSE_WAIT is TCP, not sshd.
[20:42] <crimsun> hwilde: and no, you can't force TCP to do that without uncomfortably breaking the implementation of said state machine.  You could, however, script up something to monitor the socket descriptor.
[20:42] <crimsun> which means you'll need to add apparmor rules, etc., etc.
[20:42] <hwilde> crimsun, yeah... that's not as easy as it sounds.  how do you find what process is the sshd?  the netstat output is not easy to parse
[20:43] <crimsun> pgrep -f, ps -C, etc.
[20:43] <hwilde> crimsun, the sshd is what is bound to the socket, and it doesn't let go until tcp time_wait says its ok
[20:43] <hwilde> crimsun, netstat mashes the pid in with another column
[20:43] <DanaG> netstat -p
[20:43] <crimsun> hwilde: then use awk.
[20:43] <crimsun> these tools exist; use them.
[20:43] <DanaG> for process name/
[20:44] <crimsun> and be aware that you may need privileged access.
[20:44] <Armagguedes> in kubuntu (kde3) hardy. how do i get desktop effects?
[20:44] <Armagguedes> compiz or is there another way?
[20:44] <crimsun> DanaG: that's not at all pulseaudio's "fault".  pasuspender is in pulseaudio-utils, which is in main.
[20:44] <hwilde> crimsun, how do you awk out the pid 13594 from this netstat line:    tcp        0      0 localhost:35922         localhost:7122          ESTABLISHED13594/3
[20:44] <DanaG> aah.
[20:45] <hwilde> it mashes the pid column in with established and /3 for some reason
[20:45] <DanaG> hwilde: try netstat -p (for "process name)
[20:45] <DanaG> "
[20:45] <hwilde> i'm pretty good with regex but not that good :/
[20:45] <crimsun> hwilde: do you have a reason to not use something from procps?
[20:45] <DanaG> (I'm obsessive-compulsive about punctuation, but only about my own punctuation.)
[20:45] <hwilde> crimsun, what's procps :)
[20:46] <crimsun> hwilde: it's the binary package that provides ps, pgrep, etc., etc.
[20:46] <hwilde> DanaG, netstat -p | grep 7122 (the port i'm using) gives this line:     tcp        0      0 localhost:7122          localhost:35922         ESTABLISHED16944/sshd: rugrat
[20:46] <hwilde> it's not so easy to pull out just the pid 16944
[20:47] <crimsun> it's not "mashed" on my screen
[20:47] <crimsun> tcp        0      0 192.168.1.112:41962     foo:22        ESTABLISHED 13991/ssh
[20:47] <crimsun> (from `netstat -ntp')
[20:48] <crimsun> i.e., check your tty's $COLUMNS
[20:48] <hwilde> hmmm
[20:49] <hwilde> columns is 158
[20:49] <sroecker> someone here with a macbook?
[20:49] <hwilde> but   root@HB-0-8:/home/rugrat# netstat -ntp | grep 22 | awk '{print $6}'
[20:49] <hwilde> ESTABLISHED13592/sshd:
[20:49] <crimsun> hwilde: my rationale for inquiring about using ps/pgrep instead of netstat is to see if you are running specific (e.g., per-DHCP lease) OpenSSHd on a non-standard port
[20:49] <hwilde> oooo that is a good idea
[20:50] <hwilde> just bind a specific sshd to a different port you are saying?
[20:50] <hwilde> thne I will know which one to kill
[20:50] <crimsun> precisely, though there are myriad approaches.
[20:51] <hwilde> yeah I have been through myriad-1 of them :)
[20:51] <hwilde> that is a good one thanks
[20:55] <Infecto> connection refiused?
[20:55] <Infecto> some problems with
[20:55] <Infecto> u :) sry
[20:55] <Infecto> thats pl. problem ;) not global :)
[20:56] <DanaG> I: main.c: We're in the group 'pulse-rt', allowing real-time and high-priority scheduling.
[20:56] <DanaG> I: core-util.c: Successfully gained nice level -11.
[20:56] <DanaG> I: main.c: setrlimit(RLIMIT_NICE, (31, 31)) failed: Operation not permitted
[20:56] <DanaG> I: main.c: setrlimit(RLIMIT_RTPRIO, (9, 9)) failed: Operation not permitted
[20:59] <hwilde> crimsun, so I setup an sshd on a non standard port, now the roamer can grab dhcp, ssh in and kill it, and then re-establish the tunnel.  it takes less than 2s :)
[21:00] <DanaG> Dangit, I keep trying to right-click padevchooser, only to find it not do anything.
[21:01] <DanaG> argh, now my Audigy2 won't do surround, either.
[21:02] <DanaG> I: module.c: Loaded "module-alsa-sink" (index: #1; argument: "device_id=1 sink_name=alsa_output.pci_1102_8_sound_card_0_alsa_playback_0").
[21:02] <DanaG> I: alsa-util.c: PCM device surround51:0 refused our hw parameters: Invalid argument
[21:02] <DanaG> If the sound card is index 1, then why is it trying to load surround51:0?  That's the wrong sound card!
[21:03] <DanaG> Argh.
[21:04] <savvas> is firefox-3 css3 compatible? text-line-decoration: underline; text-line-style: dot-dash; ?
[21:05] <hwilde> DanaG, cat /proc/asound/cards     asoundconf set-default-card [insertnamehere]
[21:06] <DanaG> I have PulseAudio set as default device, and my onboard (card 0) as default card.
[21:06] <DanaG> But it's saying:
[21:06] <DanaG> OOoh, new card #1!  Let's try to use Surround on it!  (goes off and tries to use surround on the OTHER card!)
[21:06] <DanaG> WRong device!
[21:10] <DanaG> Aah, here's why it doesn't do right-click:
[21:10] <DanaG> http://www.pulseaudio.org/attachment/ticket/84/padevchooser-gtk-status-icon.patch
[21:14] <conffrey> hi everybody
[21:15] <Scientus> any way to get cmware to install in hardy yet???
[21:15] <Scientus> i tried the an-any115 patch
[21:15] <crimsun> DanaG: that's because it fails to parse hal's info correctly.
[21:15] <BusError> running Hardy here; I just installed a Q9300 quad core, and 'coretemp' doesn't recognize the CPu class 17; is it somethihg I should write a bug about ?
[21:16] <Scientus> vmware
[21:17] <conffrey> in my kubuntu-hardy when I close the session, or turnoff o restart I have a freez of the system, anybodu knowing about?
[21:18] <silverdawn> does anyone by chance have any nice 1280x1024 desktop pictures they could send me
[21:19] <Reaby> silverdawn: try deviantart.com
[21:21] <Reaby> silverdawn: categories --> customization --> wallpaper
[21:27] <shirish> guys how do I use unrar or some other command-line utility to decompress a rar file which has 2 parts
[21:29] <tanner> shirish: unrar x file.part001.rar
[21:29] <tanner> or unrar x file.rar (when it has multiple .r## files)
[21:30] <macsim> DanaG, I can config sound works well when I log back ;)
[21:30] <macsim> s/config/confirm
[21:34] <DanaG> Odd... paplay mixes up channels, but Totem through PulseAudio gets them right.
[21:34] <DanaG> Ugh, the "Completely Fair Scheduler" is causing a helluvalot of audio dropouts.
[21:35] <AnswerGuy> Is pre-emption turned on?
[21:35] <DanaG> Oh, I see.. for one thing, I had pegged my CPU at low speed.  But that doesn't fully explain it.
[21:36] <DanaG> I'm also moving stuff between two ntfs-3g partitions on the same USB hard drive.
[21:38] <DanaG> I: main.c: We're in the group 'pulse-rt', allowing real-time and high-priority scheduling.
[21:38] <DanaG> I: core-util.c: Successfully gained nice level -11.
[21:38] <DanaG> I: main.c: setrlimit(RLIMIT_NICE, (31, 31)) failed: Operation not permitted
[21:38] <DanaG> I: main.c: setrlimit(RLIMIT_RTPRIO, (9, 9)) failed: Operation not permitted
[21:39] <DanaG> wtf?  If I'm in pulse-rt, shouldn't it succeed in seting RT priority?
[21:39] <DanaG> Heh: I: main.c: Fresh high-resolution timers available! Bon appetit!
[21:39] <DanaG> Yum, sounds tasty.
[21:41] <macsim> lol
[21:42] <timing> did someone look into this bug yet? https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+bug/209047
[21:44] <crimsun> timing: that's already fixed upstream.
[21:44] <crimsun> (and has been for some time, I might add)
[21:44] <timing> okay
[21:44] <crimsun> not in Ubuntu yet.
[21:45] <timing> okay
[21:45] <timing> will that be in 2.6.25? or how do these things work?
[21:45] <d_rwin> i am getting timestamp problem every time i use apt-get utility,   i had cmos prob
[21:45] <timing> or 2.6.24-20 ?
[21:45] <DanaG> How do I figure out the actual channel order in a file?
[21:45] <macsim> d_rwin, use aptitude and fix your hours
[21:46] <DanaG> Eeh, I think the channels are right.
[21:46] <timing> crimsun: o hey, i thought this was #alsa because you replied :-). you are in both. Well thanks anyway, i'll just wait for the ubuntu update then :-)
[21:47] <d_rwin> macsim: i just have to use #aptitude right
[21:47] <macsim> d_rwin, no fix your time/hours, and by the way use aptitude insteed of apt-get
[21:48] <DanaG> Aptitude is much smarter at things.
[21:49] <d_rwin> macsim: can i get a adept-manager equivalent for fluxbox
[21:49] <d_rwin> macsim: means with the seach facility
[21:50] <macsim> d_rwin, don't know fluxbox very well, better with fvwm sorry
[21:50] <macsim> d_rwin, lean to use aptitude
[21:50] <macsim> s/lean/learn
[21:50] <d_rwin> macsim, thanks
[21:51] <macsim> d_rwin, you're welcome
[21:51] <d_rwin> macsim: what is fvwm
[21:52] <macsim> d_rwin, I'm not google, read the topic please
[21:52] <jbroome> pwnt
[21:52] <d_rwin> macsim; thanks
[21:53] <azazel__> harsh
[21:54] <crimsun> slake: make sure you have linux-ubuntu-modules-$(uname -r) installed.
[21:54] <esox> Hi, I just installed ubuntu-studio hardy, I ,have a mouse cursor display issue
[21:55] <macsim> esox, video card ?
[21:55] <esox> macsim: ati radeon X700 mobility
[21:56] <macsim> esox, did you install restricted driver ?
[21:56] <esox> macsim: yes
[21:56] <macsim> esox, and the problem append after or before ?
[21:57] <esox> before
[21:57] <macsim> esox, just the mouse cursor ?
[21:57] <esox> macsim: the cursor becomes blurry, and a a square of small dots appears around the cursor
[21:58] <esox> macsim: yes just the cursor
[21:58] <macsim> esox, you use default theme ?
[21:58] <esox> macsim: default ubuntu studio. I didnt have that issue before I accepted the 278 updates just after install
[21:59] <macsim> esox, you allready reboot I suppose ?
[22:00] <esox> macsim: yes...
[22:00] <Tuv0k> Bug #209924
[22:00] <macsim> esox, you try to change the cursor style ?
[22:00] <esox> macsim: if I hit F5, the issue disappears
[22:00] <DanaG> Argh.
[22:00] <DanaG> Random hard-lockup.
[22:00] <slake> crimsun ok done.
[22:01] <esox> macsim: no I ,didnt try
[22:01] <Tuv0k> Bug #209924
[22:01] <Tuv0k> :/
[22:02] <DanaG> ubotu is MIA.
[22:02] <macsim> esox, Tuv0k give you the anwser
[22:03] <slake> crimsun ok done and now?
[22:03] <Tuv0k> macsim, no i did not sorry
[22:03] <esox> Tuv0k: where can I find this bug descrption ?
[22:03] <macsim> Tuv0k, sorry I think you said the bug number
[22:04] <Tuv0k> np
[22:04] <jaffarkelshac> what screen recorder can record compiz
[22:04] <esox> macsim: I think it has to do with transparencies
[22:04] <macsim> jaffarkelshac, grecordmydesktop
[22:04] <Tuv0k> we have an old audacious in the hardy repos
[22:04] <Tuv0k> real old
[22:04] <macsim> esox, your refresh values on xorg.conf are good ?
[22:04] <Tuv0k> and XMMS was changed to have this garbage as the default media player?
[22:04] <esox> macsim: dont know I look
[22:04] <jaffarkelshac> macsim, can that record compiz cube
[22:04] <Tuv0k> not a good idea in my opinion
[22:05]  * Tuv0k rant off
[22:05] <macsim> esox, because if you do F5 and the bug disapear I think it can be the problem
[22:05] <macsim> jaffarkelshac, never try but it record compiz well
[22:05] <esox> macsim: no refresh values on xorg
[22:06] <macsim> esox, VertRefresh
[22:06] <macsim> esox, the values are ok for your screen ?
[22:07] <esox> macsim: http://pastebin.org/26518
[22:07] <esox> macsim: no values on the xorg
[22:07] <slake> crimsun are you there?
[22:10] <macsim> esox, give me a sec
[22:10] <esox> macsim: I come back, I try refresh values
[22:11] <slake> can anyone help me? i have a ibm x40 laptop and no sound on ubuntu 8.04...   Multimedia audio controller: Intel Corporation 82801DB/DBL/DBM (ICH4/ICH4-L/ICH4-M) AC'97 Audio Controller (rev 01)
[22:12] <thompa> i cant keep downloads going for more than 5 minutes then it stops
[22:12] <jaffarkelshac> macsim, it works, well with desktop cube
[22:13] <macsim> jaffarkelshac, good ;)
[22:14] <esox> macsim: back, I added refresh values, no change
[22:16] <macsim> esox, composite is enable on you're xorg ?
[22:16] <esox> macsim: no
[22:16] <macsim> esox, ok and fglrxinfo give OpenGL vendor string: ATI Technologies Inc. ?
[22:17] <esox> macsim: yes
[22:17] <esox> macsim: I can activate 3D effects
[22:17] <esox> macsim: but they are not activated now
[22:18] <macsim> esox, hum I'm sorry I don't see where that can from :/
[22:18] <DrHala1> hey
[22:18] <DrHala1> i dont get glx nor the drivers from nvidias site to work
[22:18] <esox> macsim: the cursor makes the bug when I pass it over a window
[22:19] <slipttees> thx all, had-device-manager :D
[22:19] <slipttees> hal*
[22:19] <macsim> esox, you can try on #xorg
[22:19] <slipttees> removed hal-device-manager of hardy why ?
[22:20] <esox> macsim: do you now how to activate the possibility to manually activate the cpu speed on cpuspeed appelt ?
[22:20] <bhsx> hi everyone... one thing that's rather annoying on my install is the speed at which the scroll wheel scrolls firefox... it's WAY too fast to the point where it becomes unresponive... anyone know how to fix that?  i tried checking/unchecking smooth scrolling in FF...
[22:20] <macsim> esox, cpufreqd and gnome-cpufreq-applet ?
[22:21] <esox> macsim: yes I know there is a kind of gnome applet reconfigure but I dont remember the exact sybtax
[22:21] <esox> syntax
[22:21] <macsim> bhsx, hit about:config on firefox and look at general.smoothScroll
[22:22] <macsim> esox, I don't use it sorry
[22:22] <esox> macsim: ok
[22:23] <bhsx> macsim: thanks i'll take a look.. i was looking at about:config already... but i was looking at mousewheel...
[22:24] <macsim> bhsx, If I'm not wrong it's what you looking for, you have to restart firefox to take effect
[22:24] <bhsx> cool
[22:24] <keanu> I've got a bcm4311 card in my Dell Inspiron 1525 laptop, 2.6.24-12 kernel, version 4.80.53.0 of the Broadcom driver, and version 011 of b43-fwcutter.   The signal strength is reported as 88%, but I'm getting 1MB/s.  any idea on the cause?
[22:24] <bhsx> yeah, the first setting had a value of 13.. i changed that to 5... gonna check
[22:24] <nemo> keanu: noisy neighbourhood?
[22:25] <keanu> nemo, connected to my router literally just on the other side of the wall
[22:25] <keanu> nemo, even when a foot from the router, it's still 1MB/s
[22:26] <nemo> keanu: downtown on a brief job to help setup a network, I hooked in wireless (they were using wired fortunately) as a favour.
[22:26] <nemo> could not even establish a connection from other room.
[22:26] <nemo> had to literally be setting next to device.
[22:26] <nemo> one of the reasons I dislike wireless.
[22:26] <keanu> i tried being right next to the device, and still didn't have a problem
[22:26] <nemo> regardless of power setting or cards tested
[22:26] <nemo> or OS
[22:27] <keanu> same issue as https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/b43-fwcutter/+bug/201225 - no solution given though
[22:28] <bhsx> unfortunately, that didn't fix it :(
[22:28] <bhsx> i think it's a xorg setting, but cant find it
[22:28] <macsim> bhsx, you change the smoth general.smoothScroll to true and it doesn't change ?
[22:28] <keanu> nemo, aside from switching down to gutsy, do you know of any fixes?
[22:29] <pen> do anyone here know how to make soudn capture work in HP laptop?
[22:29] <pen> *sound
[22:29] <bhsx> it's not smoothscroll that's the problem... i've tried it on and off...
[22:30] <MattOv> Hi all - can anyone give me a pointer on how to see italc clients from my master server with ltsp running
[22:36] <virtuald> when i try to unlock the network settings it doesn't accept my password
[22:37] <macsim> virtuald, cap lock ?
[22:37] <virtuald> nope
[22:37] <phaidros> why is the xorg ati driver not accelarated in hardy anymore ? (ati firegl .., worked in gutsy)
[22:37] <macsim> numlock ? lol
[22:37] <virtuald> sudo worked fine
[22:38] <macsim> virtuald, it's said "wrong password" ?
[22:39] <nemo> keanu: at least your wireless works :(
[22:40] <virtuald> nope, the window just shaked and the password input box was reset
[22:40] <nemo> hardy completely broke my mom's IBWM wireless card
[22:40] <nemo> still trying to figure that one out
[22:44] <slipttees_> ?
[22:49] <pen> do anyone here know how to make soudn capture work in HP laptop?
[22:50] <slipttees> http://img129.imageshack.us/img129/5709/screenshot2qt8.png wtf ?
[22:51] <sourcemaker> the new kubuntu hardy version rocks... great job guys :-)
[22:52] <jbroome> Humm, i have the diskspace, i might add kubuntu-4 desktop and check it out
[22:59] <Splex> Anybody else having troubles with using nautilus to browse windows network shares since a recent update?
[23:01] <Splex> I can see a listing on the servers, but I cannot connect to the shares through nautilus
[23:01] <Splex> also, mounting with command line works fine
[23:04] <Mark_> What is the difference between installing hardy heron and a fully updated gutsy gibbon (through updates) won't they be the same? Or are the differences more complex?
[23:06] <Scientus> any way to get vmware to install in hardy yet???
[23:06] <macsim> Mark_, the result will be the same
[23:08] <Scientus> wehen i click configure in network tools-->it tells me the interface does not exist, whem i am getting internet through it right now!
[23:08] <Splex> Mark_ when you say fully updated, do you mean updating Gutsy to Hardy through synaptic update?
[23:08] <Scientus> help??
[23:11] <coz_> guys I noticed that if i do `arch`  on hardy I get   command not found
[23:13] <Splex> coz_ you can use uname
[23:14] <coz_> Splex, ok thanks
[23:17] <coz_> Spec,  I think the replacement for arch is uname -m
[23:32] <esox> macsim: still here ?
[23:33] <macsim> esox, yep
[23:34] <Zoris> I have installed xfce4 from apt-get; how do I get it to work now? If I try to log into the session nothing happens
[23:34] <esox> macsim: I found a solution : deactivate hardware rendering for the cursor
[23:34] <macsim> esox, thanks to share
[23:35] <macsim> I wrote it on notecase
[23:35] <esox> macsim: thats the minimum I can do...
[23:35] <macsim> esox, ;)
[23:35] <esox> macsim: do that mean its software issue ?
[23:35] <macsim> anybody know how to get the right label for media ?
[23:36] <esox> macsim: on fstab ?
[23:36] <macsim> esox, no when you plug an harddisk gnome is suppose to show it on desktop with the disk label, now I only have Media 250 Gb
[23:37] <macsim> esox, I can tell you if it's a hardware/software issue, you maybe can watch the log with and without and post a bug report
[23:38] <esox> macsim: right, I plugged my usb HD, doesnt appear on desktop... but it has the ruht name on the menu
[23:39] <macsim> esox, I fount this https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/nautilus/+bug/30867
[23:41] <esox> macsim: I didnt have thyat issue on gutsy
[23:41] <macsim> esox, me nether
[23:43] <tawmas> Anybody can help me track a possible bug whereby I cannot manually configure my network interface? It works in roaming mode, but it doesn't work when I set a static IP. I have errors on sudo /etc/init.d/networking restart, and I'm left with no valid IP address and no route to anywhere. I found https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/netbase/+bug/209087 which didn't get any attention so far. I get the same error messages, but in my case it's w
[23:45] <Scientus> wehen i click configure in network tools-->it tells me the interface does not exist, whem i am getting internet through it right now???????????????
[23:45] <Scientus> i need to configure
[23:47] <rsk> should i make a bug on launchpad about this? http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?p=4563642
[23:48] <esox> macsim: my usb stick does the same, right name but doesnt mount on desktop
[23:49] <tawmas> Scientus: looks like I have the same. Have you tried clicking the network manager applet icon and selecting manual configuration from the dropdown menu?
[23:49] <macsim> esox, for me it's mount on desktop but without the label name
[23:50] <esox> macsim: with both of us we have a correct behaviour
[23:50] <macsim> esox, lol
[23:52] <esox> macsim: did you do something to have it mounted on desktop
[23:52] <esox> ?
[23:53] <macsim> esox, no, I install hardy yestoday
[23:56] <IdleOne> how many time a day do we need to update the language packs?
[23:56] <IdleOne> :P
[23:57] <rsk> IdleOne: at least.. 2
[23:57] <IdleOne> heh yeah it seems so
[23:58] <macsim> IdleOne, while bug #1 is not fix ;)
[23:58] <rsk> bug #1 <3