[00:05] \sh_away: ping [00:09] anyone familiar with app-installer? [00:09] bug 113358 [00:09] Launchpad bug 113358 in openoffice.org "[Ubuntu] [hardy] openoffice.org-math missing in gnome-app-installer and not installed with OpenOffice Writer" [Low,In progress] https://launchpad.net/bugs/113358 [00:09] i did what colin suggested but it didn't help [00:17] slangasek: Do you recall the Postfix backports problem with Soyuz having grown the 'feature' of not looking into Universe for build-deps in backports? Well postgres 8.3.1 is now hung up on the same problem. [00:20] So, I'm trying to build a package of a library (my first try...). This library can make use of other libraries if they exist on the system, but it does not require they be present (libtiff, libpng). My question is...should I include these on the Build-Depends: line in the package control file? [00:23] mattismyname: Probably better answered in #ubuntu-motu [00:24] mattismyname: if you feel that the functionality provided by building with such libraries present would be desired by users, it's probably a good idea to put them as build depends. [00:25] RAOF, jdong: thanks [00:27] More than likely, the users would want this additional library support so I will add it. Will check w/ #ubuntu-motu as well. [00:31] 5~/c [00:31] TheMuso: Good morning :) [00:32] Hey RAOF. How goes it? [00:33] TheMuso: Eh, pretty well. I'm being forced to get up early, though :) [00:33] TheMuso: How be your fine self? [00:33] RAOF: Busy, but well thanks. [00:34] Eeexcellent. [01:29] Is this the most appropriate channel for discussing the guts of the python-launchpad-bugs package? [01:30] I suspect so [01:30] here or #ubuntu-bugs, but I would say here [01:31] Righto. I want to extend reportbug so that, out of the box on Ubuntu systems, it talks to launchpad rather than a subscriber-only mailing list (which is what it does currently). === twb` is now known as twb [01:32] Or at least better understand how to programmatically query and modify launchpad's BTS subsystem. [01:49] There will be a short interruption to bazaar.launchpad.net and the ubuntu wiki to deploy a fix for the performance problems. [02:06] doko: ping [03:42] mjg59`: what will you be doing at redhat (if its not NDA/secret)? [03:49] hey guys, anyone know how to get unicode support in bash? I'm trying to paste a unicode-type string but any character outside ISO-8859-1 is not displayed [03:51] mweichert: that could be a problem with the app you're copying from, your terminal emulator, or your locale setting. [03:51] mweichert: regardless, this channel is probably not the appropriate place to discuss it. [03:52] twb: okay, sorry... do you know where I might ask? [03:52] mweichert: are you using Ubuntu Gutsy? [03:53] twb: yes [03:53] mweichert: #ubuntu, if you can handle the very high traffic. [03:53] mweichert: what terminal emulator are you using? [03:54] twb: mac os x terminal ssh'd on to a gutsy vps [03:54] Oh. Then you should ask ##macosx, since this is very likely to be a problem on the OS X side. [03:54] But make sure the `locales' package is installed on the VPS. [03:55] twb: okay, thanks for your help. The locates packages is installed but locale -a produces C and POSIX. [03:56] I think I should have UTF-8 in there, no? [03:56] looking at my terminal settings too, I have the charset set to UTF-8 [03:56] mweichert: yes, try dpkg-reconfigure -plow locales. I'll say no more on this here, since it's off-topic and I've talked too much already. [03:56] twb: okay, thanks again [04:10] My apologies if this is off-topic, but what are the plans for Firefox 3 upgrades with respect to Hardy? Specifically, when FF3 is released in June, are there plans to upload that to the repositories, or will FF3 be "frozen" at the version included in the repos at release time? [04:13] IIUC the standard policy is that only critical upgrades (e.g. security fixes) enter a released version. I don't know if a release (i.e. not beta) Firefox 3 would count as a critical upgrade, but I doubt it. [04:13] I expect a post-beta firefox 3 would be added to the standard hardy-backports repository. [04:14] I've heard, but am not certain that they will update it to final. [04:14] Firefox is a pretty special case. We seem to be adding new stable releases of ff2 to -updates. Unless I'm imagining that. [04:15] We are because that's how we get security fixes. [04:15] Haha [04:15] ScottK: I noticed that wxglade was uploaded. Thanks. For some reason, LP didn't mark it fix release. Should I go ahead and mark it fixed? [04:15] I suspected as much. [04:16] protonchris: I didn't actually upload it, so no thanks needed here. If it's definitely uploaded, then yes. [04:16] ScottK: ok. [04:17] Thanks for the info. I wasn't sure if FF3b4 -> rc's -> final was similar to a 2.0.0.x -> 2.0.0.(x+1) release, or the 1.5 -> 2.0 release in dapper, where the package wasn't updated because too many other things depended on the rendering engine and such (iirc). [06:11] Good morning [06:30] good morning [06:40] Why the gnome-system-tools package not installed in Hardy beta by default? Is there another way to use a gui to set up smb/nfs file shares? I tried searching the forums, bugs, blueprints, and answers, and didn't see anything obvious. Thanks for your time (and the great distro!) [06:44] good morning [06:51] good evening [06:52] JohnPhys: that question may be more appropriate for #ubuntu+1. [06:52] twb: thanks, I'll post it there. [07:01] Good morning [07:04] Guten Morgen pitti === Seveaz is now known as Seveas === hunger_t is now known as hunger [07:36] cjwatson: heh, just saw your updates come through on my bug, thanks! [07:36] cjwatson: im no longer working where I maintain a ton of ubuntu boxes, but i let the guy who took over for me know he gets to make 2 less hacks to the initrd [07:37] well, to the packages, rather [07:37] anyhow [08:07] evening [08:07] No, it's not. [08:11] morning for you backwards people, then. [08:12] Rather backwards than upside down. :p [08:15] depends. you are behind, timewise [08:21] dholbach: when's the next CC meeting? [08:22] we haven't set one yet. We should though [08:22] looks like we've got a few people for your loving care and attention. [08:22] we really need the regional membership boards up and running too [08:23] yes, i thought that was supposed to be done ages ago? [08:23] yeah [08:23] * Hobbsee looks at the CC agenda. [08:24] most of this should get thrown out, lacking proof. excellent. [08:25] mdke: holy hell. you'll enjoy dealing with all of that. [08:26] blimey. I wonder if that is the same chap who has been emailing us === \sh_away is now known as \sh [08:27] mdke: likely. [08:29] have any of the ubuntu patches on autoconf/automake affected mkdir_p vs MKDIR_P ? === doko_ is now known as doko [09:16] hi, anydebconf expert here ? [09:16] any debconf, sorry [09:17] saispo: do you have a specific question? [09:17] yes but i found the answer, excuse me :) [09:17] no problem [09:17] i just want to hide critical question and i found DEBCONF_FRONTEND=noninteractive solve my question :) [09:21] anyone find issues with autotools and mkdir_p vs MKDIR_P ? === asac_ is now known as asac [09:51] dieman: you're welcome - sorry it took a while [09:52] Hi cjwatson [09:53] cjwatson: I modified the compcache packaging to use debconf for the cache size setting. Should be possible to preseed the value to something bigger on a live-/install-CD considering that there may be no swap partitions. [09:54] ion_: sounds good === tkamppeter_ is now known as tkamppeter [10:33] carlos: hey [10:33] carlos: could you approve the nautilus-share template if that has not been done yet? [10:36] seb128: let me check... [10:36] carlos: it has been promoted some days ago and uploaded on saturday [10:37] seb128: approved [10:37] carlos: thanks [10:38] np [11:10] Hi all! [11:36] could someone from the release team please comment on bug #204557? - security fixes are pending here... [11:36] Launchpad bug 204557 in xine-lib "Freeze exception for xine-lib 1.1.11" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/204557 [11:48] * pitti builds new -base langpacks for hardy [11:56] pitti: will you have nautilus-share in those? [11:56] pitti: it has been accepted only this morning in rosetta [11:56] seb128: no, the tarball is from March 26 [11:56] I don't know why they lag so badly, it was generated last night [11:56] ok [11:57] seb128: after that I'll reenable the automatic semiweekly uploads (I disabled the cron for the -base refresh) [11:57] ok [11:59] siretart: I added a comment to the bug; please go ahead [12:00] pitti: oh, the update from 1.1.10 to 1.1.11 isn't bugfix only. still, I'm very much in favor of doing it anyways! [12:01] siretart: hm, it says so in the bug report [12:02] the bug says: "in the mean time, a bugfix only release (1.1.11.1) has been uploaded to debian".. - I was adding a comment in the bug that I propose to integrate that bugfix only update as well [12:02] still, the update from 1.1.10 to 1.1.11 wasn't approved yet [12:04] siretart: the description says "I propose to merge the new debian upload of xine-lib 1.1.11. [12:04] It consist of security updates and bugfixes. No new features have been added." [12:05] siretart: so is that a different bug# then? [12:07] pitti: I'm sorry that wasn't really clear. There have been no real new features and only bugfixes, but the diff is still rather large [12:07] I wasn't sure if you're comment referred only to my last comment or to the whole bug. Now it is clear [12:07] thanks! [12:08] siretart: right; but I guess you tested them, and verified the changelog, so it should be oke [12:08] s/oke/ok/ [12:08] hiya [12:08] pitti: not yet the very latest version, which I'm testing this afternoon [12:09] but the diffs looks pretty sane, so I'm confident (will still testbuild/test) [12:10] * pitti hugs siretart [12:10] * siretart hugs back :) === Zic_ is now known as Zic [12:21] mdke: can you make sure you give us (irc council and related people) notice, when you decide on a date for the next CC meeting please? [12:26] anyone know how to set the Xephyr size so that I can get a screenshot of gdmthemetester for the gdm theme? [12:48] ArneGoetje: any idea why qt 4 might use Nimbus over Deja? bug 209358 [12:48] Launchpad bug 209358 in qt4-x11 "fonts in Qt4 look ugly because it uses Nimbus Sans L instead of Deja Vu Sans for Sans-Serif" [Undecided,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/209358 [12:48] https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+bug/209632 [12:48] Launchpad bug 209632 in ubuntu "[Hardy] CPU freq scaling does not work anymore with the newest kernel" [Undecided,New] [12:48] can anybody confirm this? [13:24] seb128: re bug 198857, is it likely that we can get something in hardy to turn previously mounted shares into bookmarks? I don't so much care about the aspect of the bug with the desktop icons not being around anymore. i can tell users to go into Places->Bookmarks, but I'd prefer not to have them set up the shares again [13:24] Launchpad bug 198857 in nautilus "gnome-vfs network servers are not migrated to gvfs on upgrade" [High,Triaged] https://launchpad.net/bugs/198857 [13:25] Ng: if you send a patch yes, otherwise not likely no [13:25] ok [13:25] Ng: there was no mounts in gnomevfs, those were sort of bookmarks [13:26] yes sorry, "mounts" is poor wording. "server connections" or something maybe [13:27] do you think it's important to migrate those? [13:28] seb128: for users like me? not at all, I can recreate them in seconds. however, I suspect it's more likely that features like that are used by less technical users (e.g. most of our business folk use them and set them up by following screenshots) [13:29] but I'm not even sure where gvfs/nautilus stores the new stuff, so I have no idea how hard it would be to migrate them [13:29] obviously we're a bit late in the game now [13:29] hello people [13:29] q. im looking for Jorge Castro on irc, i cant find him. anybody knows if he is on irc ? [13:29] Ng: there is no such servers now, gvfs does automatic mounting when accessing the share [13:30] zorglu_: see jcastro [13:30] Ng: thanks [13:30] Ng: they would need to be added to .gtk-bookmarks [13:31] seb128: aha. is there any mechamism for doing upgrade related tasks on the first login after upgrading? [13:31] jc-denton: perhaps there is a link between 209632 ansd [13:31] jc-denton: perhaps there is a link between 209632 and https://bugs.edge.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/linux-source-2.6.22/+bug/183033 [13:31] Launchpad bug 183033 in linux-source-2.6.22 "Intel Core 2 Duo - Resume from suspend, CPU Frequency Scaling is gone on CPU1" [Undecided,Confirmed] [13:31] chand: i had this problem before [13:32] all i had to do was changing the governer back to powersave [13:33] Ng: no, but we could add an autostart entry comparing versions and doing that [13:34] ArneGoetje: ubiquity doesn't launch on the kubuntu-kde4 CD, it says "scim-bridge: Cannot establish the socket connection" in syslog [13:34] <_MMA_> seb128: This "automounting" is giving me issues. I gotta figure out whats going on. I use the "crossmnt" option on my NFS server and its mounting one of those subfolders as if it were the main share. [13:35] no idea what crossmnt is and what main share means in this context [13:36] i guess he means the exported dir with "main share" [13:36] slangasek: could we have a 8.04.1 milestone on launchpad? [13:36] <_MMA_> seb128: Sure. I guess you would need to be familiar with the various NFS options. :P [13:36] nfs usually allows you to mount everything as you like below an export, so that no surprise [13:36] ogra_cmpc: no idea what it means, for me mounts have a mount points and that's all [13:36] *tahts [13:37] * ogra_cmpc curses his typoing [13:37] i want a brain to kbd interface, damned [13:38] Would anybody like to test a program? :) [13:38] <_MMA_> ogra_cmpc: I couldn't mount some of the subfolders without defining them in the exports file. I also needed the "nohide" (deprecated) or "crossmnt" option to see some subfolders. [13:38] seb128, i dont have a clue what crossmnt is or does either, i want just antig to point out that such behavior is totally fine from an nfs POV [13:38] * ogra_cmpc sighs [13:38] * was just wanting to point out [13:39] _MMA_: open a bug with a description explain what the issue is in a non too technical wording with a simple testcase, what it does and what else you expect [13:40] _MMA_, ltsp uses /opt/ltsp in /etc/exports ... the clients usually mount /opt/ltsp/$arch for example ... NFS allows everything below the exported dir to be mounted as you like [13:40] _MMA_: because right now I don't understand what you are asking [13:40] <_MMA_> seb128: Sure. Plan for today was to look over it more then do just that. Ill add screenshots as well. [13:40] there is already some bugs about automount and nfs [13:41] make sure your issue is not a duplicate if you can [13:41] <_MMA_> Sure. [13:41] thanks [13:41] ogra_cmpc: you might want to look into the human icon theme .links file and add the symlinks to gartoon [13:41] any hints on hardy nvidia+compiz on a dualhead, which often does not refresh the upper .. uhm .. fifth of the screen? [13:41] kwwii, oh, more links ? [13:42] i r4ecently added a bunch already [13:42] kwwii, thanks for the heads up [13:45] ogra_cmpc: glad to be of help :-) [13:45] kwwii, is that uploaded already ? the package i get from the archive doesnt seem to have a .links file [13:46] human-icon-theme-0.24 [13:46] ogra_cmpc: I just commited half an hour ago or so [13:46] ah, k [13:51] <_MMA_> ogra_cmpc: Sorry. I PMed by you're not identified. [13:51] right [13:51] <_MMA_> s/by/but [13:51] just wanted to mention that :) [13:52] <_MMA_> :P [13:52] in any case nfs behaves correctly here according to your description in the pm [13:53] gvfs might notice that the subfolders are actual devices on the server (even though i wouldnt know how it would do that) [13:53] so it mounts them like extra devices [13:53] <_MMA_> ogra_cmpc: On my Gutsy boxes yes. The 2 hardy ones, not for me. I'll file a bug and see how it goes. [13:54] right [13:54] gutsy doesnt use gvfs [13:54] it uses gnome-vfs [13:54] <_MMA_> But yes. It mounts a subfolder like an extra devise. [13:54] <_MMA_> *device [13:59] Riddell: there's bashism in desktop-effects-kde: 25enable-compiz. I get "[[: not found" [14:00] tjaalton: do you know what the fix it? [14:00] is? [14:01] Riddell: yes, use single brackets [14:01] http://wooledge.org:8000/BashPitfalls#head-ad3f850ae3fdcf9751b0eef6451b92ee1d040bef :) [14:03] tjaalton: thanks, fixing [14:03] Riddell: thanks [14:06] https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+bug/209632 [14:06] Launchpad bug 209632 in ubuntu "[Hardy] CPU freq scaling does not work anymore with the newest kernel" [Undecided,New] [14:06] any ideas? [14:17] zul: how is debian bug 365097 solved in hardy? [14:17] Debian bug 365097 in bacula-common "bacula-common: Uses the same passwords on every Debian installation" [Important,Open] http://bugs.debian.org/365097 [14:18] pitti: we include a gawk script that messes with the catalog [14:18] zul: do we have a debconf question for the password, or something such? [14:19] pitti: kind of, I forget how it works now but that problem has been fixed [14:20] zul: ok, thank you [14:20] pitti: np [14:20] zul: can you please add that to the MIR? looks kinda scary ATM :) [14:20] pitti: sure :) [14:21] * warp10 hugs (and thanks) pitti [14:21] hi warp10 === evalles_ is now known as effie_jayx [14:24] zul: looks like it: "db_input critical bacula/dba_password" [14:24] zul: I checked the mysql postinst, it uses that apparently [14:24] pitti: yep I was going to put that in the MIR report. [14:27] pitti: done [14:27] zul: thank you [14:27] er you get the email never mind ;) [14:35] zul: promoted, see bug [14:35] pitti: sweet.. === Sebast1an is now known as Sebastian [14:43] siretart: fyi, http://paste.ubuntu.com/6260/ ... thats what was needed to make wpasupplicant bring up the global control socket again. [14:43] siretart: but i guess its fixed in 0.6.x [14:44] asac: oh, interesting. [14:45] nm unlinks the supplicant control socket?! [14:46] siretart: yes. and i need SIGKILL as well [14:47] otherwise it looks like it cannot acquire the control socket on every second startup here [14:51] I can feel your antipathy regarding wpasupplicant :) === emu_ is now known as emu [15:00] HOLY CRAP update-manager just gave me a 20-digit ETA! [15:01] * mvo coughs [15:01] jdong: during download or install (or both)? [15:01] mvo: during download; my wifi lost association for around 15s [15:02] when it came back, update-manager must've gotten spooked :D [15:10] jdong: The Main/Universe issue is still a problem for backports. postgres 8.3.1 is currently hung up on it. [15:14] ScottK: hm? [15:15] how is that the update-manager notifications works? [15:16] i mean the "restart $application" notifications [15:16] pitti: It's depwait in feisty and gutsy backports due to one needed bit (I'll look which) being in Universe [15:16] ScottK: ah, libuuid-dev, I bet [15:16] Yes. [15:16] the on in charge to make this notification is $application or update-manager? [15:17] pitti: It'd have been much more convenient if Launchpad hadn't grown the 'feature' of caring about Main/Universe for backports. [15:17] s/on/one [15:17] ScottK: oh, did it do that? [15:17] Yep. [15:17] ScottK: I would have assumed it always did [15:17] ScottK: *sigh* dammit [15:17] pitti: it was turned off by infinity like 2 years ago... [15:17] pitti: Nope. Otherwise backports from Main would be almost impossible. [15:18] pitti: I first discovered this when my latest Postfix backport got borked. [15:18] nxvl: it uses https://wiki.ubuntu.com/InteractiveUpgradeHooks [15:18] * nxvl HUGS mvo [15:18] slangasek tortured postfix for dapper-backports into Universe somehow, but that's not really a scalable solution. [15:19] slangasek not scalable. film at 11 [15:19] ScottK: given that backports are already unsupported, I don't see much value in that check either [15:19] pitti: And if it's not reverted, then you'll need to do MIR processing for backports or some such. [15:19] well, FSVO unsupported, you know what I mean [15:20] pitti: "Not commercially supported by Canonical" - Understand. [15:24] ScottK, thats beyond any commercial aspect, we never agreed on supporting upgrading of systems using backports as a developer team and nobody ever tests that [15:24] ogra_cmpc: True. [15:25] crackports, you mean. [15:26] i bet our genious mvo could solve it if we'd clone him and he had the double amount of time per day to work on it though :) [15:26] * pitti hugs mvo [15:26] The server stuff I backport all gets upgrade testing because it's running on my test server when I upgrade it. [15:26] Dunno about jdong's crack though. [15:28] well, the thing with dapper is for example that a backport could come from hardy ... if you'd upgrade dapper->edgy that package would simply be left out because of the higher upstream version [15:28] we could add a automatic test for system with -backports, the problem is currently mostly lack of cpu/io/diskspace, but if somebody is interessted, all it requires is a cpu that supports kvm and some spare cycles [15:30] ogra_cmpc: That's true which is why I try to hit all the releases when I backport. [15:31] mvo: I haven't seen problems with this so far. I wouldn't think it's a priority at this point. [15:31] ScottK / ogra_cmpc: I do test my crack too [15:31] :D [15:31] pitti: could we have apport adding retraces stacktraces even if the bug was detected as duplicate? Use cases: bug 145360 is quite old. I reported it upstream yesterday and I wanted to attach a stacktrace with linenumbers matching to the newest upstream versions. The new duplicates (from the new versions) have no retraced stacktraces. [15:32] Launchpad bug 145360 in compiz "compiz.real crashed with SIGSEGV" [Medium,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/145360 [15:32] afflux: hmm; just recently I fixed a bug asking to *not* attach stack traces for dups, since they generate bugmail spam :) [15:33] grrr :) [15:33] I've another example, give me a second [15:36] pitti: I may be wrong, but somehow whe thought bug 151200 had no complete stacktraces, but apport added some duplicates. We hoped to get more complete traces with them... ;) [15:36] Launchpad bug 151200 in compiz "compiz.real crashed with SIGSEGV" [Medium,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/151200 [15:36] (It may be that the trace is perfectly alright, it just looks... short :)) === DktrKran12 is now known as DktrKranz2 [15:50] tjaalton, bryce, could it be that the via/openchrome driver and vt8623fb disagree bout video ram ? i had some reports that break with "memory size detection failed", which seems to come from the vt8623fb module === Keybuk_ is now known as Keybuk [15:56] ogra_cmpc: no idea.. [16:07] Riddell: if you have a moment, could you please have a look at bug #208390 ? I can not reproduce it and it looks a bit strange, but maybe you have a idea what goes wrong there [16:07] Launchpad bug 208390 in update-manager "upgrading gutsy to hardy BUG" [Undecided,Incomplete] https://launchpad.net/bugs/208390 [16:12] mvo: mm, any idea what language he was using? [16:15] Riddell: unfortunately not, I wonder if the following might be enough: http://paste.ubuntu.com/6264 [16:16] mvo: could be, I'll try and do some testing shotrly [16:16] mvo: bug 204818 is nasty, might it be caused by the lack of a proper terminal? [16:16] Launchpad bug 204818 in update-manager "update manager crashed upgrading 'libc6' package." [Undecided,Incomplete] https://launchpad.net/bugs/204818 [16:17] Riddell: let me check [16:17] Riddell: I will commit the utf8() change in translate_widget (if you don't mind) - it should do no harm and may cure it if the translation file is not in utf8() for some reason [16:18] mvo: yeah go ahead [16:19] Riddell: yeah, 204818 is evil. I think its not terminal releated, but it might be that the lack of proper terminal triggers the bug. [16:31] Riddell: For bug 209358 I have also no idea why qt3 gets it right and qt4 wrong... [16:31] Launchpad bug 209358 in qt4-x11 "fonts in Qt4 look ugly because it uses Nimbus Sans L instead of Deja Vu Sans for Sans-Serif" [Undecided,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/209358 [16:40] Riddell: regarding scim-bridge on kde4: which image are you using? [16:41] ArneGoetje: today's daily [16:48] Riddell: will download [16:55] what's up with ubuntu.com, all the graphics look pixelish [16:56] no? [16:56] Looks fine here.. [16:56] hmm [16:56] I even put my face up to the monitor [16:56] is someone playing with compiz zoom? :D [16:57] hehe, don't have compiz enabled [16:57] strange [16:57] even on Hardy with Firefox 3's WONDERFUL and INTELLIGENT dpi and scaling detection abilities, ubuntu.com looks normal [16:57] ;-) [16:58] * ogra_cmpc can only agree on that looking at a scaled down ff3 on 800x480 [16:58] ogra_cmpc: aww you poor thing [16:59] jdong: isn't the problem with that it now uses what X says the dpi is instead of a hardcoded value? [16:59] Amaranth: I have no idea :) [16:59] that's a good thing, surely? [16:59] jdong, i started to like it over time ... [16:59] but if it's using pango it should match the rest of gnome with gnome's DPI setting [16:59] unless they don't use that part of pango [16:59] ogra_cmpc: yeah I had a low-res monitor for the longest time [17:00] jdong, on 7" thats just perfect and crisp ... [17:00] ogra_cmpc: yeah, the eeepc is at that resolution and seems just fine to me [17:01] Riddell: what's the rsync command to download the daily? iso.qa.stgraber.org is not reachable from here, so I cannot lookup the link... :( [17:01] jdong, right, on the classmate i'm using since some months as my main work environment as well [17:01] ArneGoetje: rsync -CvzapP --stats rsync://cdimage.ubuntu.com/cdimage/kubuntu-kde4/daily-live/current/hardy-desktop-i386.iso . [17:02] Riddell: thanks :) [17:03] jdong, http://img523.imageshack.us/my.php?image=bildschirmfotorq3.png [17:03] sroecker: you're zoomed in, i guess [17:04] Amaranth, doh, you are right :/ [17:04] yeah, I was surprised at first too when I realized FF3 actually zooms [17:04] fullpage zoom that remembers your zoom level for certain pages can sometimes be annoying === compbrai1 is now known as compbrain [17:07] Keybuk: I recently changed openssh-server to adjust the OOM-killer priority for sshd, which you can do by poking numbers into /proc/PID/oom_adj. This works but is a bit fiddly. Do you think upstart jobs could have a neat way to do that? [17:08] cjwatson: \o/ === \sh is now known as \sh_away [17:10] cjwatson: probably, are the numbers meaningful? [17:13] Keybuk: -17 => disable, -16 through +15 => various priorities [17:13] * cjwatson blames the kernel :-/ [17:22] seb128: AFAIK I don't have access to create the milestones [17:22] asac: have you heard of any issues with ipw3945 not coming back after a suspend/resume cycle? [17:23] asac: mine worked until sometime recently [17:23] yeah, mine is fucked [17:23] + too [17:23] I'm pretty sure it worked when I first dist-upgraded too [17:23] elmo: only after susped/resume? [17:23] asac: yes; if I reboot -> fine again [17:23] yea i have to reboot to fix it [17:24] does NM crash? [17:24] there isn't a daemon any longer, not sure if that is an issue [17:24] or do you see anything in syslog that suspicious? [17:24] asac: not sure, i do know nm-applet is still there, next time i will check nm the daemon as well [17:24] slangasek: do you know who has? [17:24] calc: look in syslog please too [17:24] asac: actually i can go over to my desktop machine and cause it to happen on my laptop and tell you right now [17:25] calc: cool [17:25] cjwatson, Keybuk, mdz: could one of you add a 8.04.1 milestone on launchpad? [17:25] asac: nothing suspicious for me, FWIW [17:25] ok, now i'm on my desktop :) [17:26] elmo: when did it start breaking? [17:26] asac: sorry, I'm not 100% sure, but I think no earlier than Friday [17:26] i think a few days ago, but i can't pinpoint it either [17:26] elmo: ok ... you probably track hardy for quite some time, right? [17:26] seb128: slangasek should be the one to do that; he should have privileges now (and if not, let's fix that instead) [17:27] asac: i have tracked hardy for months also [17:27] mdz: seb128: AFAIK I don't have access to create the milestones [17:27] slangasek: have you tried? [17:27] slangasek: you're in ubuntu-drivers, which should confer that [17:27] slangasek: https://edge.launchpad.net/ubuntu/hardy/+addmilestone [17:28] checking [17:28] ok, I do have access now [17:28] ok its not coming back, looking in logs [17:29] calc: maybe paste your syslog [17:29] ok i see it [17:29] well i think i do [17:29] ? [17:29] Error getting killswitch power: org.freedesktop.org.Hal.Device.KillSwitch.NotSupported - hal-ipw-killswitch-linux returned 255 [17:29] i can copy them and then reboot so i don't have to type them verbatim ;) [17:30] ok [17:30] asac: only need syslog? [17:30] yes [17:30] ok [17:30] i didn't change anything killswitch related in recent uploads. so either that message is not related or something else broke it (hal, driver update)? [17:31] maybe so [17:31] brb [17:31] seb128, mdz: 8.04.1 milestone added [17:31] slangasek: thanks! [17:35] pitti, hi [17:39] asac: http://pastebin.ubuntu.com/6266/ [17:39] calc: that stops when resume is finished? [17:39] cjwatson: would something like oom adjust disable or oom adjust -16..+15 be sufficient? [17:39] does nothing happen afterwards? [17:40] Keybuk: sounds plausible to me [17:40] asac: wireless doesn't seem to ever come back until i reboot [17:41] cjwatson: it'd get applied to all of the scripts as well as the main executable, that's ok I guess? [17:41] what's oom_score ? [17:46] calc: lshal -u /org/freedesktop/Hal/devices/net_00_19_d2_8a_0c_19 [17:47] (after and maybe before resume) [17:47] Keybuk: oom_score is output from the OOM scoring algorithm, I think [17:47] Keybuk: hmm, would really prefer just the main sshd executable if possible [17:53] asac: be back in a few, will have to reboot after suspend/resume cycle [17:57] hi tkamppeter [17:57] asac, did you upload liferea-ubuntu4? I only see -3 [17:59] pitti, I have opened a dialog ... [18:00] tkamppeter: you need to register first [18:00] asac: http://pastebin.ubuntu.com/6267/ [18:11] jwendell: yeah sorry. ubuntu3 is the latest [18:12] asac, ok, will try [18:12] calc: and there are no more messages from networkmanager after resume? [18:13] asac: no more [18:13] asac: i went back and looked at my syslog just a min ago [18:13] Mar 31 11:28:06 laptop-c2d NetworkManager: