[00:00] <majoridiot> nv is the open source driver
[00:00] <majoridiot> that will get you into a safe mode
[00:00] <destructar> oh i see
[00:00] <majoridiot> then use MCC restricted drivers manager to install the nvidia driver
[00:03] <TelnetManta> anyone know if mythtv in the repos has a custom screensaver??
[00:05] <destructar> majoridiot: i ran through the reconfiguration but I'm back where I was.. I think we have some miscommunication: I think I'm already in safe mode
[00:05] <destructar> when I boot up I have crappy 800x600 resolution going... Can't get anything higher and the installed restricted drivers show as if they are not in use
[00:05] <majoridiot> and now you want to install the nvidia driver?
[00:05] <destructar> it's already installed
[00:05] <majoridiot> in MCC restricted drivers tab- right pane... run nvidia settings
[00:06] <majoridiot> change resolutions there.
[00:11] <destructar> this blows... something is wrong here
[00:12] <destructar> clicked on nvidia settings from mcc and it brings me to the settings, but pops up a window that says "you do not appear to be using the vidia x driver. please edit your x onfiguration file (just run 'nvidia-xconfig' as root) and restart the x server.
[00:13] <destructar> so i ran it and just restarted my computer... rinse and repeat .... it's as though my settings won't save
[00:14] <destructar> undert the restricted drivers window: my nvidia accelerated graphics driver is enabled but has status "not in use" whatever that's all about...
[00:14] <destructar> the sad thing is i had this running previously with a manual instal direct from nvidia's site, but was given advice to switch to ubuntu restricted drivers install due to various issues i was having
[00:15] <destructar> under screen and graphics preferences i can't get the driver to change from "vesa generic" to nvidia... absolutely nothing will save when I change it
[00:16] <dthacker> Is there a way to start the mythtv-frontend in a smaller window instead of fullscreen?
[00:22] <majoridiot> dthacker,  there's a setting in frontend setup to run it in a window.  under General, i think.
[00:23] <majoridiot> destructar, enable the restricted driver if it shows not in use.
[00:23] <destructar> enable how? the "enabled" box is already checked
[00:23] <destructar> but status is "not in use"...?? makes no sense
[00:24] <destructar> again: I had the driver from nvidia installed at first manually, however I figured that the restricted driver would overwrite it (and appears to have since my resolution sucks)
[00:27] <dthacker> majoridiot: thanks!  I found it in the appearance settings
[00:31] <majoridiot> dthacker, great!
[00:31] <dthacker> now I've killed my audio....
[00:31] <dthacker> :)
[00:35] <dthacker> nah, myth just adjusted the mixer.
[00:38] <destructar> i think i found the issue... i have generic kernel running but "common" restricted modules installed... doh!
[00:41] <destructar> awesome! fixed it
[00:56] <destructar> ok now i'm getting a weird error only when trying to run mythfrontend
[00:57] <destructar> "xlib: extention "glx" missing on display ":0.0"
[00:57] <destructar> any ideas?
[01:35] <Ward1983> i keep having trouble with connecting to the mysql database
[01:35] <Ward1983> any suggestions?
[01:36] <Ward1983> how can i check if its running?
[01:36] <Ward1983> mysql
[01:43] <Ward1983> well its not in the running processes
[01:43] <Ward1983> so how can i start it?
[01:43] <Ward1983> :s
[01:44] <Ward1983> and why does this happen automatically with EVERYONE EXEPT ME???
[01:44] <Ward1983> i never had mythtv working :s
[01:44] <Ward1983> imagine tha
[01:44] <Ward1983> tand i tried at least 10 times, everytime i reinstalled i tried :s
[01:44] <Ward1983> allways cannot connect to mysql blabla
[01:45] <tgm4883_laptop> PEBCAK error
[01:45] <Ward1983> i have no clue what that means
[01:46] <tgm4883_laptop> have you tried connecting to it from the same machine?
[01:46] <Ward1983> yes thats all i want to do in fact
[01:46] <tgm4883_laptop> so from the same machine, do
[01:46] <tgm4883_laptop> mysql -u root
[01:46] <tgm4883_laptop> and see if it connects
[01:47] <Ward1983> ERROR 1045 (28000): Access denied for user 'root'@'localhost' (using password: NO)
[01:47] <tgm4883_laptop> did you have a mysql server setup before?
[01:47] <tgm4883_laptop> or did you setup a root user?
[01:47] <Ward1983> i have no clue :s
[01:48] <Ward1983> i didnt have a mysal server
[01:48] <tgm4883_laptop> is this a standard mythbuntu install?
[01:48] <Ward1983> well i had one but i uninstalled before i installed mythbuntu
[01:48] <Ward1983> yep standard mythbuntu install on gutsy
[01:48] <tgm4883_laptop> so you have a gutsy machine and installed mythbuntu on top of that?
[01:48] <Ward1983> allthough i had mythtv installed from the repo, but just uninstalled everything before i installed mythbuntu
[01:48] <Ward1983> correct
[01:49] <tgm4883_laptop> are you wanting this to be just a mythtv machine or a desktop too?
[01:49] <Ward1983> desktop too
[01:50] <Ward1983> why is mysql-server not running if i installed regular :s
[01:51] <tgm4883_laptop> sounds like it is running
[01:52] <Ward1983> why can mythtv not connect to it then?
[01:52] <Ward1983> ok simply: should i give up?
[01:52] <tgm4883_laptop> no
[01:52] <tgm4883_laptop> don't give up
[01:52] <tgm4883_laptop> sounds like you had it setup before and possibly had a root password set
[01:53] <Ward1983> ok so uninstall does never work
[01:53]  * Ward1983 notes never to uninstall any prog again
[01:53] <Ward1983> since apperantly it keeps settings etc
[01:54] <tgm4883_laptop> well unless you do a purge, then yes, it keeps settings
[01:54] <Ward1983> is that the same as choosing for complete removal in synaptic?
[01:55] <tgm4883_laptop> do
[01:55] <tgm4883_laptop> sudo /etc/init.d/mysql status
[01:55] <Ward1983> pastebin results?
[01:55] <tgm4883_laptop> yes
[01:56] <Ward1983> http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/61693/
[01:57] <tgm4883_laptop> k
[01:57] <tgm4883_laptop> and you don't remember if you had a root password before?
[01:57] <Ward1983> not that i know of
[01:58] <Ward1983> i dunno what you mean
[01:58] <Ward1983> i have a regular root password yes
[01:58] <Ward1983> the one i use for sudo right?
[01:59] <tgm4883_laptop> sec
[01:59] <Ward1983> ok
[01:59] <tgm4883_laptop> try this
[01:59] <tgm4883_laptop> mysql -u root -p
[02:00] <tgm4883_laptop> then enter your root password
[02:00] <Ward1983> Welcome to the MySQL monitor.  Commands end with ; or \g.
[02:00] <Ward1983> Your MySQL connection id is 261
[02:01] <tgm4883_laptop> does it say
[02:01] <tgm4883_laptop> mysql>
[02:01] <tgm4883_laptop> ]
[02:02] <Ward1983> yep
[02:03] <tgm4883_laptop> ok, so you do have a root password set
[02:03] <Ward1983> apperantly
[02:03] <tgm4883_laptop> so most likely, you don't have a mythtv db setup
[02:03] <tgm4883_laptop> sec
[02:05] <tgm4883_laptop> do
[02:05] <tgm4883_laptop> dpkg-reconfigure mythtv-database
[02:06] <Ward1983> tgm4883_laptop, thanx connected now
[02:06]  * Ward1983 crosses fingers
[02:12] <Ward1983> pfff lol
[02:13] <Ward1983> i have absolutely no clue why it doesnt want to open my capturecard, etc
[02:13] <Ward1983> i saw aome other erros too but its all getting oto complicated
[02:13] <Ward1983> i need to go for a smoke first to calm down
[02:13]  * Ward1983 goes smoking
[02:13] <tgm4883_laptop> alright, well i'm off to dinner, but i'll be back on later
[02:14] <Ward1983> thanx for the help
[02:14] <Ward1983> enjoy dinner
[02:14] <Ward1983> see you later probably
[02:26] <rhpot1991> ahave_: any luck with your fusion?
[02:26] <rhpot1991> ahave_: I'd be interested in comparing lircd.conf's so I can know if this is something universal that other people could use my config and so on
[02:28] <ahave_> hello rhpot1991
[02:28] <ahave_> i have the remote working
[02:29] <ahave_> havent modified the .lirc file to use the volume knob yet
[02:29] <rhpot1991> excelent, any chance you can pastebin your lircd.conf?
[02:29] <ahave_> hmm
[02:29] <rhpot1991> !pastebin | ahave_
[02:29] <ubotu> ahave_: pastebin is a service to post multiple-lined texts so you don't flood the channel. The Ubuntu pastebin is at http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org (make sure you give us the URL for your paste - see also the channel topic)
[02:29] <ahave_> yes, but i might have to wait till later
[02:29] <ahave_> but i will get it to you
[02:29] <rhpot1991> if I can verify the same configs work with fusion black and silver then it can be included into MCC
[02:29] <rhpot1991> alright just yell
[02:30] <rhpot1991> good to hear it worked
[02:30] <Piffer> rather than having a 2nd box running myth backend db, can I setup the db locally?
[02:34] <rhpot1991> Piffer: you can run a BE and FE on the same machine, if that is what you are asking
[02:42] <ahave_> rhpot1991, know much about getting hd audio to work correctly?
[02:42] <rhpot1991> ahave_: can't say I do
[02:42] <rhpot1991> maybe in a few days if I ever feel like playing with mine
[02:42] <ahave_> i am trying to get audio through hdmi, cant seem to get it configured correctly quite yet
[02:46] <rhpot1991> its my understanding that that wont work
[02:46] <destructar> hi all... i have been having issues with mythbuntu all night (user errors)... reinstalled mythbuntu from synaptic just now... enabled machine for frontend, backend and ubuntu desktop...
[02:46] <rhpot1991> though my understanding could be out of date
[02:46] <destructar> ... restarted computer, came up with two user logins as usual 1 login takes me to mythbuntu, the other takes me to Xfce 4... wtf?
[02:47] <destructar> i'm not even sure what xfce is... don't know what on earth i did
[02:47] <rhpot1991> xfce is the default desktop environment in mythbuntu
[02:48] <destructar> how the hell do i get ubuntu back?
[02:48] <rhpot1991> your 2nd login prob isn't enabled to run mythtv by default
[02:48] <destructar> that's fine... basically i just want to get my regular ubuntu secondary login back
[02:48] <rhpot1991> there is a checkbox for gnome in MCC
[02:48] <rhpot1991> if you want that
[02:50] <destructar> looking for it now...
[02:50] <destructar> hmm no luck... where is it located?
[02:50] <destructar> (i'm in mcc now)
[02:51] <tgm4883_laptop> when you go to log in, you need to change the session
[02:52] <destructar> ah i see
[02:52] <destructar> what session do i want? GNOME?
[02:52] <destructar> indeed
[02:52] <destructar> nice
[02:53] <destructar> sweet looks like everything is good again... couldn't start up anything requiring glx (which is a lot) but all better now :)
[02:59] <destructar> any ideas on why my windows would be popping up with no info bars? i can't move them around the screen or anything, very annoying
[02:59] <destructar> actually it looks like their info bar takes over the entire top bar of the screen... i'm guessing this is a setting somewhere?
[03:11] <Piffer> back from dinner...  Yes, if I can run Myth BE and FE on the same box, is there a setup app for the BE?
[03:12] <tgm4883_laptop> Piffer, mythtv-setup
[03:13] <Piffer> Thanks
[03:16] <Piffer> hmm I must have missed a step somewhere. When I fire up mythtv-setup, I'm asked for a db etc, but it says in cannot connect.
[03:16] <Piffer> Is there a SQL script to get the database setup, as that might be the issue here?
[03:17] <tgm4883_laptop> strange
[03:17] <tgm4883_laptop> how did you install?
[03:17] <Piffer> just from the CD... and I think I skipped one step..
[03:18] <tgm4883_laptop> strange, the db should be setup
[03:18] <tgm4883_laptop> sec
[03:18] <Piffer> Maybe I can run the installer again to see if I can fix it that way. Just looked in mysql, and there's only a information_scema db.. no myth stuff
[03:18] <tgm4883_laptop> dpkg-reconfigure mythtv-database
[03:21] <Piffer> thanks, that did create the database. when I fired up mythtv, selected language, then filled in the info I still get Cannot login to database...
[03:21] <tgm4883_laptop> you went through mythtv-setup?
[03:22] <Piffer> yes...
[03:22] <tgm4883_laptop> ok, what password are you using when you fire up the frontend?
[03:22] <Piffer> I've set the same password on both BE and FE
[03:23] <tgm4883_laptop> Piffer, how did you set the password?
[03:23] <Piffer> First time I booted, I got the nice GUI, and in settings I was able to set the password
[03:23] <Piffer> I'll try one thing here... 2 sec
[03:23] <tgm4883_laptop> ok
[03:24] <tgm4883_laptop> thats not the right password it wants
[03:24] <tgm4883_laptop> look in /etc/mythtv/mysql.txt
[03:24] <tgm4883_laptop> use that password in mythfrontend
[03:27] <Piffer> I must have screwed up somewhere. When I start the setup, I see that it's Unable to conect to database, and I get an access-denied error with the user I set duing the reconfigure db setup
[03:30] <Piffer> I think I found it... when I do the reconfigure, I get an access denied warning. So I'll have to make some changes to mysql access rights before I can get this going
[03:39] <Piffer> ha, a little grant command in mysql, and we're rock'n
[03:50] <Ward1983> if i try to watch tv trough mythtv it says all recording inputs are used, i dont have any recordings etc
[03:50] <Ward1983> i setup my device as /etc/video0 which is working
[03:50] <Ward1983> tested with mplayer
[03:52] <Piffer> Is there an issue with mythtv not being able to play mp3 files?
[04:02] <tgm4883_laptop> Piffer, you need to enable restricted codecs in MCC
[04:02] <tgm4883_laptop> Ward1983, what does mythweb status say about the status of the tuners
[04:08] <Ward1983> tgm4883_laptop, never mind i foudn it :)
[04:11] <Piffer> tgm4883_laptop: Thanks!
[04:12] <dan> any nvidia restricted experts here?
[04:22] <Ward1983> ok everything seems to work a bit now
[04:22] <Ward1983> only some stations dont work well
[04:22] <Ward1983> so now i can watch channels i dont want to watch lol
[04:23] <Ward1983> everything i want to watch doesnt work
[04:34] <Ward1983> good thing i have a VCR that can output it trough conponent
[04:34] <tgm4883_laptop> Ward1983, what isn't working?
[04:35] <Ward1983> tgm4883_laptop,  just some channels
[04:35] <Ward1983> i get some interuptions at some channels
[04:35] <Ward1983> while my CVYs tuner has no problems with them
[04:38] <Piffer> What is the command to start mythtv frontend from command line?
[04:38] <Ward1983> now im trying to setup my laptop as a second backend, and frontend offcourse
[04:38] <Ward1983> mythtv-frontend i think Piffer
[04:38] <Ward1983> not sure though
[04:39] <Piffer> no, tried that... lemme do a search. Since it's still crashing upon playing mp3 files, I need to have something show me an error or some output.
[04:40] <Ward1983> Piffer, synaptic says: /usr/bin/mythtv
[04:40] <Piffer> mythfrontend :-)
[04:41] <Piffer> now I can see that I'm getting some errors too
[04:41] <Ward1983> just mythtv should work too lol
[04:44] <Ward1983> is it opssible to use the tuner of my desktop over the network with my laptop?
[04:44] <Ward1983> and stream the video to the laptop
[04:46] <Piffer> oddly enough now my Myth plays MP3 files without crashing ...
[04:47] <Ward1983> lol just be glad :p
[04:48] <Piffer> I know. Just have a weird feeling when things automagically starts to work :-)
[04:52] <Ward1983> offcourse over here things dont work
[04:52] <Ward1983> well half lol
[04:52] <Ward1983> desktop works laptop wont connect to it
[04:53] <Piffer> firewall setting?
[04:54] <Ward1983> should be ok since it gets opened automatically if you choose that you want to connect other computers
[04:54] <Piffer> ok. Have you tested nmap to scan the remote port, just to make sure it's open?
[04:55] <Ward1983> nope not yet
[04:55] <Ward1983> dunno all the commands and its getting too late to google for them
[04:56] <Piffer> getting too late to google? No, Google is open 24/7 :P
[04:56] <Piffer> ooohhh I finally got my wifi on the laptop to work ...
[04:57] <Ward1983> 5;56here
[04:57] <Piffer> now I need the Buffalo wifi on the myth box to work... hopefully it's supported..
[04:57] <Ward1983> wifi allways worked out of the box here
[04:57] <Piffer> ah that's early... late?
[04:57] <Piffer> hehe
[04:57] <Ward1983> only the intel 2100 gave some trouble a few years back
[04:57] <Ward1983> yeah didnt sleep yet
[04:57] <Piffer> hopefully you don't need to got to work in about 3 hours?
[04:57] <Ward1983> and my vacation is over, today is the last day
[04:57] <Piffer> that sucks
[04:58] <Ward1983> then back to the annoying shitty crappy school for every day
[04:58] <Piffer> I was going to call in sick tomorrow if I could not get the wifi working... hehe
[04:58] <Ward1983> well its my choive, being unemployed or going to that crappy stupid school with their crappy unemployment courses
[04:59] <Piffer> :-(
[05:00] <Ward1983> im doing a networking course now just because nobody will hire me without a higher diploma
[05:00] <Ward1983> did multimedia in the school you normally do untill 18, i allways forget the english term
[05:01] <Piffer> Hopefully things will work out.
[05:01] <Piffer> both in life and on the PC :-) hehe
[05:01] <Ward1983> on the PC they eventually allways work out
[05:01] <Ward1983> life on the other hand... lol
[05:02] <Ward1983> my passion os graphics, grphical compositions, layoutting, etc
[05:02] <Piffer> 90% of the streaming stuff in MythTv seems to not work... either just harvesting or no URLs found...
[05:02] <Piffer> Can harvesting take some time? Like 5 min plus?
[05:02] <Ward1983> and im studying networking just because nobody will hire me,while im confident there are a ton of jobs i could do in that aerea
[05:03] <Ward1983> over here it worked fast
[05:03] <Ward1983> the standard streaming stuff
[05:03] <Piffer> where u at?   I'm in Vegas, and this city sucks...
[05:05] <Ward1983> belgium
[05:05] <Ward1983> belgium sucks too lol
[05:05] <Ward1983> we barely have a government
[05:05] <Piffer> thanks to Eu ...
[05:06] <Ward1983> nope
[05:06] <Ward1983> thanx to our own retarded politicians
[05:06] <Piffer> well, did EU help? ... and almost all politicians are retarted one way or another
[05:07] <Ward1983> the EU is ok, the euro is not lol
[05:07] <Ward1983> since the euro everything became a TOn more expensive
[05:08] <Piffer> that sucks...  Well these days with the super low dollar exchange rate, you can get stuff from the US pretty cheap :-)
[05:08] <Ward1983> lol im gonna connect trough vnc to get this stuff working
[05:08] <Ward1983> not gonna leep i think
[05:08] <Ward1983> unless that stuff gets cought by the "duane"
[05:08] <Ward1983> dunno how its called
[05:08] <Ward1983> some osrt of cops that check import
[05:11] <Ward1983> brb
[05:31] <Piffer> Is there a way to configure the buttons on a Microsoft Media center remote, so that the off button actually performs a shutdown/
[05:39] <Ward1983> damn iptables --list doesnt show any open ports
[05:39] <Piffer> You can install firestarter, and setup the IP of the remote PC to be allowed.. that should fix it
[05:40] <Piffer> Not super secure... but...
[05:40] <Ward1983> i have a bad experience with firestarter
[05:41] <Piffer> it's not the greatest... but since I haven't learned how to edit the iptables in plain text yet, it does what I want it to do.
[05:48] <Ward1983> what ports need to be open?
[05:51] <Piffer> not sure... trying to get my remote to hibernate the myth box....
[05:56] <Ward1983> ffs i cant finit
[05:56] <Ward1983> lol
[05:56] <Ward1983> find it
[05:57] <Piffer> Just allow anything from A to B... unless we're not talking about the firewall anymore...
[06:13] <Piffer> Laters, gotta get some sleep :-)
[06:15] <rhpot1991> anyone here with a FE and BE on the same box that can verify something for me?
[06:27] <mpontillo> rhpot1991: what do you need?
[06:29] <rhpot1991> can you tell me if your dbhostname in ~/.mythtv/config.xml is localhost or 127.0.0.1
[06:29] <mpontillo> Sure - it's "localhost".
[06:30] <rhpot1991> alright thanks
[06:30] <mpontillo> np
[07:56] <luddite> hi all
[07:57] <luddite> anyone with the latest beta who can get a Leadtek Winfast DVT2000H remote working?
[08:10] <luddite> hello
[08:20] <luddite> can anyone assist with my remote control?
[08:20] <luddite> its not being recognised
[08:20] <luddite> http://www.overclockers.com.au/wiki/MythTV#Digital_tuners
[08:21] <luddite> its this one Leadtek DTV-2000H
[08:47] <luddite> hello anybody
[09:50] <luddite> hello?
[09:50] <luddite> anyone with the latest beta who can get a Leadtek Winfast DVT2000H remote working?
[11:18] <gandalfcome> I upgraded both the frontend and the backend to 0.21 and everything works fine except that the livetv doesnt work: in the log I get TV Error: LiveTV not successfully started. any ideas?
[13:09] <Shred00> is there an 0.21-fixes branch for gutsy?
[13:10] <directhex|work> the packages in ubuntu-backports include the mjost important patches from -fixes
[13:11] <Shred00> including CVE 2007-6036?
[13:15] <directhex|work> hm, seemingly not.
[13:15] <directhex|work> i blame superm1
[13:18] <Shred00> this is _exactly_ the situation i predicted a week or two ago when i noticed that we were going to be stuck with a single gutsy-backport of 0.21 until hardy came out.  :-(
[13:19] <Shred00> i guess i just don't understand why a gutsy 0.21-fixes branch is not being maintained given that all of the infrastructure to maintain a weekly fixes branch is already there.
[13:46] <superm1> they are in hardy..
[13:46] <superm1> the newest  backport
[13:48] <Shred00> superm1: perhaps i am confused.  how does that help gutsy users?  hardy is still beta.
[13:49] <superm1> Shred00, sorry incomplete thought, my dog just woke up when i was typing
[13:49] <Shred00> lol
[13:49] <superm1> as i was going to say, doing a backport is a bit of a pain
[13:50] <superm1> so if anything we'll do it once more right before hardy goes live as final
[13:50] <Shred00> superm1: yeah, that is why i was wondering why not just set up an 0.21-fixes weekly for gutsy exactly as you do for 0.20-fixes
[13:50] <superm1> but the fix for that CVE is in hardy
[13:51] <superm1> Shred00, because that -fixes repo is "stable" to the 0.20 series
[13:51] <superm1> and dont want to force people to switch to 0.21
[13:51] <Shred00> superm1: yeah, i saw the CVE fix in hardy which is how i knew it was there.  i only run hardy on my test machine though.  i can't afford to be running development versions everywhere, including the (must be stable!) backend.
[13:51] <superm1> for hardy it will be stable on the 0.21 series
[13:52] <Shred00> superm1: why would it force anyone to switch.  i'm talking about a parallel 0.21-fixes branch for gutsy.
[13:52] <Shred00> so gutsy users have a choice.
[13:52] <superm1> the PPA build system doesn't allow for different "components"
[13:52] <superm1> like that
[13:52] <superm1> if a 0.21 build were uploaded to the mythbuntu PPA, it would override the 0.20 build
[13:53] <Shred00> hrm.  not sure i understand, but what if you put an 0.21 into the package names for all of the *myth* packages for 0.21?
[13:54] <Shred00> kinda like hardy had firefox and firefox-3 for a while.
[13:55] <Shred00> i.e. mythtv-backend-0.21, mythtv-common-0.21, etc.
[13:55] <Shred00> for gutsy users, i think that is perfectly rational along with an 0.21-fixes update repo.
[13:55] <superm1> well that would be possible but make a more difficult upgrade path.
[13:56] <Shred00> why?  hardy's myth-backend would Replace: myth-backend-0.21
[14:44] <sabhain> directhex, you in here?
[14:47] <directhex|work> yes
[14:49] <sabhain> you were helping me a bit on friday, regarding nvidia drivers / xvmc
[14:49] <sabhain> and I learned from you that the .run file from nvidia is not the best way
[14:49] <directhex|work> was i? i have memory loss issues, i'm afraid i don't remember
[14:49] <sabhain> I had run the installer and was trying to get xvmc to work ..
[14:49] <directhex|work> right, okay, someone using nvidia-installer sounds familiar
[14:50] <sabhain> but it was mentioned here that the proprietary was better since the installer didn't do things right
[14:50] <sabhain> is envy a good way to get things running, or does it just do the same installer dirty work?
[14:51] <sabhain> I can get gutsy to take the driver ok from the installer .. and I can do it from envy ..
[14:51] <sabhain> but just using the restricted drivers manager runs me into a wall ..
[14:51] <sabhain> I think i'm really close .. but that probably means I'm really far.
[14:51] <directhex|work> envy is generally disrecommended, but has worked well for me in the past. that said, removing it afterwards can take massaging
[14:52] <sabhain> I figured it was just doing the installer for me .. so I wanted to stay away ..
[14:53] <sabhain> I can get the system to try and load up the nvidia-glx .. but it craps out at loading a screen .. and every iteration I've tried just kicks it down to safe mode
[14:53] <directhex|work> it's using the installer, extracting the contents, and rebuilding packages from the contents
[14:53] <directhex|work> sabhain, craps out how? tried pastebinning the xorg.0.log file?
[14:55] <sabhain> http://pastebin.ubuntu.com/6262/
[14:55] <sabhain> these are the logs when I run 'startx' at the shell, with gdm stopped and no xinit or xorg running.
[14:56] <sabhain> I've also posted a bunch of stuff here --> http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=702406&page=2&highlight=nvidia+proprietary+driver
[14:57] <sabhain> from boot up .. the logs don't even mention the nvidia driver, but I'm not sure the log isn't just the "safe mode" log
[14:59] <directhex|work> sabhain, remove any line with "busid" in it from xorg.conf
[15:03] <directhex|work> actually......... what's the hardware in question?
[15:06] <directhex|work> 7300gt, breaking for some reason. driver 100.14. i'd update it using envy.
[15:08] <directhex|work> but you *must* remove envy before upgrading to hardy
[15:17] <Ward1983> is there any way to improve reception?
[15:19] <directhex|work> generally, a better antenna
[15:28] <sabhain> It's a 7100 I think.
[15:29] <sabhain> I saw the busid thing .. and thought it was odd that it didn't match the lspci output
[15:30] <sabhain> am I best off going straight to hardy?  it's stable enough for a day to day myth core?
[15:30] <directhex|work> i think hardy is stable enough now. i'm upgrading my third office pc to hardy.
[15:35] <sabhain> for starting from scratch, are the mythtv packages pretty stable also?  I'm just getting going on moving my whole house to mythtv after running a single box for 6-8 weeks.
[15:36] <sabhain> mythtv setup pretty good except for the framedrop issue
[17:53] <Nikas> hello. Can i transcode recordings after they have been recorded to one of my profiles.. choose wich one i mean
[17:53] <Nikas> i want to transcode my recordings from mpeg2 to mpeg4 now and i have 100+ recordings in mpeg2
[18:23] <chuk> can anyone help me out with a diskless question?
[18:26] <tgm4883> !ask | chuk
[18:27] <chuk> I edited the ltsp-client-setup to add my NFS shares to /etc/fstab
[18:27] <chuk> my clients all get the correct /etc/fstab, but the shares do not load at boot.  If I do a mount -a then they mount
[18:32] <sabhain> what options are you passing in fstab?  what does the line look like?
[18:33] <chuk> 192.168.25.5:/var/lib/mythtv/videos /mnt/videos nfs
[18:40] <sabhain> try adding the following to the end of the line:  rw,user,rsize=8192,wsize=8192,exec,hard 0 0
[18:40] <sabhain> that's what I have .. and they (NFS shares) automount for me
[18:40] <sabhain> on boot
[18:40] <chuk> how did you create your fstab?
[18:41] <chuk> I modified the ltsp-client-setup script
[18:41] <chuk> or am I just supposed to make an /etc/fstab in the client environment on the server?
[18:47] <sabhain> I have small solid state drives .. not using ltsp-client .. so it's different.  Can't really clear up that end of it.  Just thought I'd share my fstab line which automounts.
[18:47] <chuk> sure, thanks, I'll give it a shot
[19:02] <nixnoob> there is no cablecard support on linux is there?
[19:04] <Ward1983> im trying to get a now frontend to connect to my font / backend desktop but it cant seem to connect to the mysql database, what can i try?
[19:05] <Ward1983> whats a cablecard?
[19:06] <Ward1983> never mind i used google :)
[19:06] <nixnoob> cablecard is a pcmcia card which allows you to decode cabletv signals without a settop box
[19:07] <EvilGuru> How hard should getting a remote set-up be? Just a case of selecting it in the list and that's it?
[19:07] <nixnoob> if anyone has experience setting up an htpc on cablevision please pm me
[19:08] <free1> has anyone had any luck with pinnacle?
[19:09] <foxxbuntu> EvilGuru, depends on the remote, if its supported (i.e. in the list) selecting it and restarting MythTV Frontend, if its running, should be all you have to do
[19:09] <Ward1983_> free1, what kind of pinnacle?
[19:09] <foxxbuntu> Ward1983, did you enable the MySQL service in MCC? have you set the IP's in the Primary Backend Correctly?
[19:10] <free1> Ward1983: anyone will do :)
[19:10] <Ward1983_> foxxbuntu, you mean i need to add the ip of the new frontend somewhere on the master backend?
[19:10] <EvilGuru> foxxbuntu: It is the one which came with my PVR-150 and I just selected Hauppauge tv card from the list
[19:10] <free1> Ward1983_:  but I was thinking of the Pinnacle pctv hd pro stick
[19:10] <Ward1983_> free1, i have a DC10+ that works fine with the zoran driver
[19:11] <Ward1983_> free1, thats a completely different card
[19:11] <Ward1983_> the DC10+ is a MJPEG capturecard with both in and outputs :D
[19:12] <Ward1983_> cost me 10 or 15euros :)
[19:13] <free1> Ward1983_: I was looking for a usb for my lappy
[19:14] <Ward1983_> free1, i need to buy one like that too someday
[19:14] <foxxbuntu> Ward1983, no you need to change the DB IP Setting in the myth-setup of the backend so its a reachable IP on your network, i.e not 127.0.0.1
[19:14] <foxxbuntu> EvilGuru, that remote should work fine, what receiver are you using?
[19:14] <Ward1983_> foxxbuntu, ahaaaaaaaaaaaa :) so i need to use my local IP adress instead of the loopback?
[19:15] <Ward1983_> foxxbuntu, will try thanx :)
[19:15] <foxxbuntu> Ward1983_, np
[19:15] <EvilGuru> foxxbuntu: The one that plugs into the back of the card, tiny little thing
[19:15] <EvilGuru> on a cable
[19:15] <foxxbuntu> EvilGuru, ah...heard some issues around that, you made sure its plugged in all the way?
[19:16] <EvilGuru> still need to get around to it
[19:16] <EvilGuru> my friend a year or so ago got it working a treat
[19:16] <EvilGuru> but that was ubuntu and took the best part of an hour
[19:16] <foxxbuntu> EvilGuru, Mythbuntu is Ubuntu
[19:17] <foxxbuntu> :)
[19:17] <foxxbuntu> we just add user fruiendly and prepackaged MythTV support
[19:17] <Ward1983_> foxxbuntu, pfffi tried sudo dpkg-reconfigure mythtv-database
[19:17] <free1> mythbuntu is ubuntu???
[19:17] <Ward1983_> foxxbuntu, this returns: Failed to create database (incorrect admin username/password?)
[19:17] <Ward1983_> It's also possible that mysql-server wasn't running.  After install
[19:17] <Ward1983_> is completed, you will need to make sure mysql-server is running and that you supplied correct information.
[19:17] <foxxbuntu> free1, yes...no difference, we just change the configuration
[19:17] <Ward1983_> wow sorry i thought it was one line
[19:18] <EvilGuru> foxxbuntu: Yes, so hopefully there will be no need to manually do a load of button stuff
[19:18] <foxxbuntu> Ward1983_, sounds like you have to set your MySQL root password or have already set it, it is NOT your sudo password unless you set it as such
[19:18] <free1> foxxbuntu:  how deep was the change in configuration?
[19:18] <Ward1983_> really i dont understand anything fron it anymore now
[19:18] <free1> foxxbuntu: does canonical recognize it?
[19:19] <Ward1983_> foxxbuntu, ok so its the other password?
[19:19] <foxxbuntu> free1, we switched from Gnome to XFCE a while back...thats really the only big thing, everything else is just use making things easier to use with MythTV
[19:19] <Ward1983_> foxxbuntu, i think last noght someone found that i set my root password or whatever
[19:19] <Ward1983_> i cant follow anymore
[19:19] <Ward1983_> mythtv is like chemistry for me, im unale to learn it
[19:19] <foxxbuntu> free1, yes we are fully supported and recongized by canonical
[19:20] <Aval0n> are you ppl in here the ones that make the ubuntu-mythtv frontend?
[19:20] <Aval0n> with openbox
[19:20] <foxxbuntu> Ward1983_, it can be tough at first but if I came from knowing nothing to being a dev anyone can learn it :)
[19:21] <Ward1983_> foxxbuntu, but how do i just make sure what my mysql user and pass is
[19:21] <EvilGuru> I still need to tune card in (and am dreading it)
[19:21] <foxxbuntu> Aval0n, we dont user Openbox any longer, and the ubuntu-mythtv package is maintained by us (not the contents the package only)
[19:21] <Ward1983_> i really dunno where to start
[19:21] <EvilGuru> there are so many dialogues in myth
[19:21] <Ward1983_> i fell like im gonna waste another night
[19:21] <Aval0n> hmm
[19:21] <Aval0n> i am trying to figure out why the ubuntu mythfrontend is breaking for me
[19:21] <Aval0n> where would I go?
[19:22] <foxxbuntu> Ward1983_, if you open MCC you can set your MySQL password in there
[19:22] <Ward1983_> foxxbuntu, MCC?
[19:22] <foxxbuntu> Aval0n, I would suggest starting by posting your logs or any realvant errors in the forums
[19:22] <foxxbuntu> Ward1983_, Mythbuntu Control Centre
[19:22] <Aval0n> hmm
[19:23] <Aval0n> forums take quite a while for responses no?
[19:23] <Aval0n> :)
[19:23] <Ward1983_> foxxbuntu, nope its grey, all i can do is launch MythTV setup
[19:23] <foxxbuntu> Aval0n, not so...we have a large community following and many of our devs regularly check the forums
[19:23] <Ward1983_> qnother problem on top of the forst stack of problems
[19:23] <Ward1983_> first
[19:23] <foxxbuntu> Ward1983_, sounds like you may have MySQL server issues...
[19:24] <Ward1983_> im pretty sure of that
[19:24] <EvilGuru> The people here are also quite friendly
[19:24] <Ward1983_> foxxbuntu, is there any way i can start over?
[19:24] <foxxbuntu> Ward1983_, start over?
[19:24] <Ward1983_> EvilGuru, yes in here they are, but in #mythtv-users they are not at all
[19:24] <Ward1983_> IMO
[19:24] <Ward1983_> foxxbuntu, yes just install everything again
[19:25] <EvilGuru> Someone else said that, however I have never really been in there
[19:25] <foxxbuntu> Ward1983_, if you want to...just go download our 8.04 Beta Disk if you don't already have it and boot up and start reloading
[19:25] <Ward1983_> foxxbuntu, this is my regular desktop i wish to use it for lots of stuff, not only tv
[19:26] <foxxbuntu> Ward1983_, and feel free to consult the Wiki/FAQs/Forums and ask questions in here as you go if you are at all not sure of how to install something
[19:26] <foxxbuntu> Ward1983_, oh...
[19:27] <foxxbuntu> Ward1983_, Open MCC back up > Roles > Sety the desktop to Ubuntu and Server roles to none apply the change and it will remove everything
[19:27] <Ward1983_> foxxbuntu, i installed like this: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/MythTV_Gutsy_Backend_Frontend_Desktop
[19:28] <Ward1983_> foxxbuntu, ok will try thanx
[19:29] <Ward1983_> foxxbuntu, desktop was allready ubuntu
[19:29] <foxxbuntu> thats ok....it should be because of how you installed it
[19:30] <Ward1983_> foxxbuntu, how do i set the "server roles to none" ?
[19:30] <foxxbuntu> Just change the backend Role to None and Frontend Role to None
[19:30] <Ward1983_> foxxbuntu, do you just mean no frontend and no backend?
[19:30] <Ward1983_> aaaah ok
[19:30] <Ward1983_> just wanted to make sure i meant the right thing
[19:31] <foxxbuntu> np
[19:31] <Ward1983_> foxxbuntu, so now it should uninstall everything including mysql-server?
[19:31] <foxxbuntu> yes
[19:32] <Ward1983_> foxxbuntu, mysql-server and mysql-server-5.0 are not uninstalled
[19:32] <foxxbuntu> Ward1983_, hmm thought it did...
[19:32] <foxxbuntu> ok well I will just show you how to do it
[19:32] <foxxbuntu> open terminal
[19:32] <foxxbuntu> sudo apt-get remove --purge mysql-server*
[19:32] <Ward1983_> foxxbuntu, ok, unless i can just uninstall mysql too?
[19:32] <Ward1983_> lol ok even better :)
[19:35] <Ward1983_> foxxbuntu, ok so now i just selected frontend and backend again, and kept desktop on ubuntu, now i get some sort of notification, ill pastebin the content
[19:36] <Ward1983_> http://paste.ubuntu.com/6275/
[19:36] <rhpot1991_laptop> foxxbuntu: I'm trying to verify the config for my fusion and someone who I helped get a black fusion working the other day are similar, then I will get you one to include
[19:37] <foxxbuntu> strange...ok do this
[19:37] <foxxbuntu> rhpot1991_laptop, cool thanks, I need to add it to my list
[19:37] <Ward1983_> foxxbuntu, i have a dutch ubuntu, so its possible i sometimes translate incorrectly, just so you know that can happen
[19:37] <foxxbuntu> Ward1983_, in terminal again: sudo apt-get install mysql-server-5.0
[19:38] <Ward1983_> foxxbuntu, ahaaa, i threw that one off too
[19:38] <Ward1983_> also with purge
[19:38] <Ward1983_> i assumed they both needed to be gone
[19:39] <Ward1983_> WTF
[19:39] <foxxbuntu> Ward1983_, thats fine...now you need to reinstall
[19:39] <Ward1983_> it says: mysql-server-5.0 is ingesteld als handmatig geinstalleerd.
[19:39] <foxxbuntu> uh?
[19:39]  * foxxbuntu speaks English only
[19:39] <Ward1983_> translation coming lol
[19:40] <Ward1983_> mysql-server-5.0 is set as installed manually
[19:40] <foxxbuntu> Ward1983_, thats ok
[19:40] <Ward1983_> thats what it says :s
[19:40] <Ward1983_> it didnt reinstall or anything
[19:40] <Ward1983_> so thats normal?
[19:40] <Ward1983_> :s:s:s
[19:41] <Ward1983_> it didnt do anything at all
[19:41] <foxxbuntu> Ward1983_, it sounds like its already installed
[19:41] <foxxbuntu> which it should be from the changes you made
[19:42] <Aval0n> the ubuntu mythtv frontend works find if I use apt packages for mythtv
[19:42] <Ward1983_> foxxbuntu, synaptic tells me its installed
[19:42] <Aval0n> but the second I install from source
[19:42] <Aval0n> it blows up
[19:42] <foxxbuntu> Ward1983_, good
[19:42] <Aval0n> and says something about it being set suid from the xsessios-log
[19:42] <Ward1983_> foxxbuntu, so then i ignore the message?
[19:42] <foxxbuntu> Ward1983_, yes
[19:42] <Ward1983_> the one i pastebinned
[19:42] <Ward1983_> ok
[19:42] <foxxbuntu> Ward1983_, do this
[19:42] <Iggle-Piggle> i need some advice on how to install a win nova t 500
[19:42] <Ward1983_> soo what would be the next step? just so i cannot screw up
[19:42] <foxxbuntu> Ward1983_, sudo dpkg-reconfigure mythtv-database
[19:43] <Ward1983_> foxxbuntu, then i enter the local IP, no loopback?
[19:43] <Ward1983_> foxxbuntu, so in my case the IP i got tfrom my routers DHCP server?
[19:44] <foxxbuntu> Ward1983_, you shouldn't enter an IP there
[19:44] <Ward1983_> foxxbuntu, huh?????
[19:45] <Ward1983_> "on what host does the MySQL server reside:"
[19:45] <foxxbuntu> oh im sorry...whats the default thats in there
[19:45] <foxxbuntu> ?
[19:45] <Ward1983_> the one i last entered lol
[19:45] <foxxbuntu> if its loop back make it the local ip
[19:45] <Ward1983_> i believe the default was 172.0.0.1
[19:46] <Ward1983_> so i make it 192.168.2.5 ?
[19:46] <foxxbuntu> then for the root user
[19:46] <foxxbuntu> root
[19:46] <Ward1983_> for isntance
[19:46] <foxxbuntu> Ward1983_, yes
[19:46] <foxxbuntu> and since the root password isnt set, leave the password blank for now
[19:46] <Ward1983_> and the pass?
[19:46] <Ward1983_> ok
[19:47] <Ward1983_> and i will be using other computers so i select yes to that question i presume?
[19:47] <foxxbuntu> yes
[19:47] <Ward1983_> ok done
[19:47] <Iggle-Piggle> can anyone help me install a nova t 500
[19:49] <foxxbuntu> Ward1983_, ok now do this: sudo cp /var/log/mythtv/mythbackend.log /var/log/mythtv/mythbackend.log.old && sudo rm /var/log/mythtv/mythbackend.log && sudo /etc/init.d/mythtv-backend restart
[19:49] <Ward1983_> Iggle-Piggle, http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=384320
[19:49] <Ward1983_> Iggle-Piggle, allthough i have no personal experience with that card whatsoever so cant be of more help sorry :(
[19:49] <Ward1983_> foxxbuntu, ok
[19:50] <Ward1983_> foxxbuntu, done
[19:50] <foxxbuntu> Ward1983_, now sudo nano /var/log/mythtv/mythbackend.log
[19:50] <foxxbuntu> does it show its connected to the DB?
[19:50] <Ward1983_> except i use gedit :p
[19:50]  * foxxbuntu shrugs....to each their own
[19:51] <Ward1983_> foxxbuntu, done
[19:51] <Ward1983_> lol
[19:51] <Ward1983_> i allways use nano when i have no x running though lol
[19:51] <foxxbuntu> does it show a connection to db 'mythconverg' ?
[19:52] <foxxbuntu> or more errors about needing reconfigured?
[19:52] <Ward1983_> foxxbuntu, yes several, let me pastebin im not sue its normal
[19:52] <Ward1983_> foxxbuntu, http://paste.ubuntu.com/6277/
[19:53] <Aval0n> so when I use the default ubuntu package for mythtv that ubuntu myth frontend loads perefect
[19:53] <Aval0n> the second I install from source it breaks
[19:53] <Aval0n> I tried with removing the mythtv package and install over it with same result
[19:53] <foxxbuntu> Ward1983_, looks good...thats all normal operation
[19:54] <Aval0n> in the xsessions is mentions somethiing about gtk refusing to start because something is set suid
[19:54] <foxxbuntu> Aval0n, from source? do you mean trunk?
[19:54] <Aval0n> foxxbuntu: no
[19:54] <Ward1983_> foxxbuntu, whats next? im gonna go take a short smokebreak if you dont mind
[19:54] <Aval0n> .21-fixes
[19:55] <foxxbuntu> Ward1983_, need to run through mythtv-setup then you should be good to go
[19:55] <Aval0n> I need to install it from source so I can have the skiploopfilter patch
[19:55] <Aval0n> foxxbuntu: I compile and make install as root
[19:55] <Aval0n> but for the life of me I can't understand why it would load any different
[19:55] <foxxbuntu> compile as root?
[19:55] <Aval0n> I installed all the ubuntu default packages and the mythtv-ubuntu-frontend and it worked
[19:55] <Aval0n> so then I compiled as root
[19:56] <foxxbuntu> iirc you should not compile as root, only install as root
[19:56] <Aval0n> and make install as root... .and it breaks
[19:56] <Aval0n> I should not compile as root
[19:56] <Aval0n> ?
[19:56] <foxxbuntu> yeah...do the make as a normal user then make install with sudo
[19:56] <Aval0n> do I have to compile as the mythtv user then?
[19:56] <Aval0n> non-root user
[19:56] <foxxbuntu> right
[19:57] <Aval0n> which sorry
[19:57] <Aval0n> can I be any non-root users?
[19:57] <foxxbuntu> non-root
[19:57] <Aval0n> k
[19:57] <foxxbuntu> its been a long tie since I compiled mythtv from source
[19:58] <Aval0n> I used to compile and install as root all the time
[19:58] <foxxbuntu> takes me back to the wonderful days of stage 1 gentoo installs
[19:58] <Aval0n> never had a problem
[19:58] <Aval0n> but I just updated to gutsy
[19:58] <Aval0n> and it hosed it up
[19:58] <Aval0n> the prefix didn't chage from /usr to /usr/local in gutsy did it?
[19:58] <foxxbuntu> oh wait your trying to use .21-fixes on gutsy?
[19:59] <Ward1983_> foxxbuntu, ok locally everything works again (but do i now have no password on my mytsql database? :O )
[19:59] <Aval0n> yes...
[19:59] <Ward1983_> brb
[19:59] <Ward1983_> smokebreak
[19:59] <foxxbuntu> Ward1983_, right...but easily fixed, can be done via MCC or phpmyadmin
[20:00] <Aval0n> don't tell me .21-fixes won't work on gutsy...
[20:00] <foxxbuntu> Aval0n, there are something in .21-fixes that require the non-backported lib6c and such
[20:01] <foxxbuntu> al;so the reason the community isn't providing a backport of .21-fixes for gutsy
[20:01] <rhpot1991_laptop> there is no fixes branch on gutsy, just the backport
[20:01] <Aval0n> ?
[20:01] <rhpot1991_laptop> foxxbuntu: does the fixes branch actually have something in it now?
[20:02] <Aval0n> so it won't work...
[20:02] <Aval0n> i should never have updated to fucking gutsy
[20:02] <foxxbuntu> rhpot1991_laptop, no...not until hrady release iirc
[20:02] <Aval0n> the people in #ubuntu talked me into it
[20:02] <foxxbuntu> hardy even :)
[20:02] <Aval0n> I should have just left alone what's working
[20:02] <foxxbuntu> Aval0n, just bump up to hardy
[20:02] <rhpot1991_laptop> Aval0n: whats the problem?
[20:02] <rhpot1991_laptop> also watch your language
[20:02] <foxxbuntu> Aval0n, I have been running hardy stable and live for months
[20:02] <Aval0n> foxxbuntu: that will solve the problem?
[20:03] <foxxbuntu> Aval0n, yea...then you can get all the required packages for 0.21-fixes/trunk
[20:03] <rhpot1991_laptop> hardy stable for a few weeks here, other than the crash report shooting off and waiting for it to fade away, no problems here
[20:03] <Aval0n> i d/led all the libs manually before I even updates to gutsy
[20:04] <Aval0n> I was running 21-fixes on feisty just fine...
[20:04] <foxxbuntu> rhpot1991_laptop, right that sigsev fault...I have updated the reports on all of those
[20:04] <rhpot1991_laptop> foxxbuntu: doesn't effect anything, just a minor nuisence
[20:04] <Aval0n> foxxbuntu: if I was running 21-fixes on feisty just fine should I be ok here?
[20:04] <Aval0n> I installed a lot of libs manually back then
[20:05] <foxxbuntu> Aval0n, Im really not sure how you were on fesity unless you grabbed it durning the backport
[20:05] <foxxbuntu> idk...im going off what I hear from upstream MythTV
[20:06] <rhpot1991_laptop> 0.21 never hit fiesty
[20:06] <Aval0n> I installed .21 from source
[20:06] <Aval0n> 21-fixes
[20:06] <foxxbuntu> Aval0n, my best advice is if you want to stay bleeding edge on mythtv is to upgrade to Hardy
[20:06] <Aval0n> and it was working just fine
[20:06] <Aval0n> hmm
[20:06] <Aval0n> so apt-get dist-upgrade again
[20:06] <Aval0n> ??
[20:06] <Aval0n> heh
[20:07] <foxxbuntu> Aval0n, you have X?
[20:07] <Aval0n> yes
[20:07] <rhpot1991_laptop> I think you do updatemanager -d
[20:07] <Aval0n> ok
[20:07] <foxxbuntu> then this way is easier (and safer) sudo update-manage -c -d
[20:07] <rhpot1991_laptop> to jump distributions
[20:07] <foxxbuntu> + r
[20:08] <foxxbuntu> tehn just click the upgrade button
[20:09] <Aval0n> updatemanger not a good command it says
[20:11] <Aval0n> cant find update-manage
[20:11] <Aval0n> cant find update-manager or updatemanager
[20:11] <Aval0n> =/
[20:13] <Aval0n> uhg
[20:13] <foxxbuntu> Aval0n, type sudo update <tab>
[20:14] <foxxbuntu> actually hit tab twice and it should show you the options
[20:14] <rhpot1991_laptop> I see an update-manager
[20:14] <Aval0n> nothing there that is even close
[20:14] <Aval0n> not for me
[20:14] <rhpot1991_laptop> sudo apt-get install update-manager
[20:15] <Aval0n> l it's installing
[20:15] <Aval0n> thanks
[20:15] <hugolp> hi, I am having a important problem. Since I backported mythtv .21 to my gutsy server it has stoped working twice. By stoping working I mean that not only mythtv backend stops working but all the aplications on the server stop working too. I cant even ssh into it. I have to completely reboot it. It has happen twice allredy
[20:17] <Aval0n> k it's upgrading
[20:17] <foxxbuntu> Aval0n, cool...good luck check back if you still have issues
[20:17] <Aval0n> foxxbuntu: ok
[20:18] <Aval0n> I'm pretty sure i'm going to have the same issue with mythtv-ubuntu-frontend
[20:18] <Aval0n> before on feisty I had installed all the mythtv packages from the synatpic manager
[20:18] <Aval0n> then compiled svn
[20:18] <Aval0n> all during SVN while .20.2 was current
[20:18] <Aval0n> then when .21 final hit
[20:19] <Aval0n> I compiled 21-fixes from source and installed... both as root
[20:19] <Aval0n> never had a problem mythtv-ubuntu-frontend just ran with it
[20:19] <Aval0n> not after this gutsy upgrade though
[20:19] <laga> hugolp: so, your backend is freezing?
[20:19] <Aval0n> it's the mythtv synaptic package or bust
[20:19] <Ward1983_> foxxbuntu, do i now need to do anything to make my laptop frontend able to connect to my desktop backend?
[20:19] <Ward1983_> my laptop is just a frontend
[20:20] <foxxbuntu> Ward1983_, just give it the IP of the Backend server in the Frontend Settings (Util/Setup > Setup > General)
[20:20] <hugolp> laga yes
[20:20] <hugolp> only thing that still works is ping
[20:20] <Ward1983_> foxxbuntu, did that, not working :(
[20:21] <hugolp> guess no one has heard anything similar?
[20:21] <foxxbuntu> Ward1983_, do you have the Backend all setup in mythtv-setup on the Backend serveR?
[20:21] <Ward1983_> foxxbuntu, qs fqr qs i know yes
[20:22] <laga> hugolp: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/mythtv/+bug/200761 <- you're probably affected by this bug. you can add the '--noupnp' argument in /etc/default/mythtv-backend
[20:22] <foxxbuntu> Ward1983_, what?
[20:22] <Ward1983_> foxxbuntu, sorry im switching between qwerty and azerty
[20:23] <Ward1983_> foxxbuntu, as far as i know yes
[20:23] <Ward1983_> my laptop has azerty and desktop has qwerty so i might get confused sometimes since im using both atm :)
[20:24] <hugolp> laga:  checking
[20:25] <foxxbuntu> Ward1983_, you prob need to run through it again just to make sure
[20:25] <hugolp> laga:  thanks, going to try that
[20:25] <foxxbuntu> the bigest deal is that the IP should be the local ip under general and it should be the same in both fields
[20:25] <Ward1983_> foxxbuntu, ok will do
[20:30] <Ward1983_> foxxbuntu, all is ok but no luck yet
[20:31] <Ward1983_> its still not connecting
[20:31] <foxxbuntu> ward did you enter the db username and password in the frontend?
[20:32] <Ward1983_> yep no password right?
[20:32] <hugolp> laga:  since I added argument --noupnp to /etc/default/mythtv-backend, the backend wont start as a daemon
[20:32] <Ward1983_> and user root?
[20:32] <Ward1983_> foxxbuntu, no password and user root right?
[20:32] <foxxbuntu> Ward1983_, no
[20:32] <Aval0n> foxxbuntu: that mythtv-ubuntu-frontend that was available in gutsy was still openbox
[20:32] <hugolp> I have tryed the option -d and --daemon but it doesnt start as a daemon
[20:32] <Aval0n> is that package still even supported?
[20:32] <laga> hugolp: where did you add it?
[20:32] <Ward1983_> foxxbuntu, lol you let me set no password on the backend and it works :s
[20:32] <hugolp> laga to ARGS=""
[20:33] <hugolp> ARGS="--noupnp -d"
[20:33] <laga> hugolp: that was not the smartest thing to do
[20:33] <foxxbuntu> Ward1983_, its a different password and user (confusing I know)
[20:33] <hugolp> laga:  then?
[20:33] <laga> hugolp: revert your change and use EXTRA_ARGS
[20:33] <hugolp> laga:  ok
[20:33] <Ward1983_> foxxbuntu, so where do i find it?
[20:33] <foxxbuntu> Ward1983_, on the backend... open up /etc/mythtv/mysql.txt
[20:33] <foxxbuntu> it will have the correct username/password combo in it
[20:34] <laga> Aval0n: mythtv-ubuntu-frontend is still supported, kinda, but not used in mythbuntu anymore. install mythbuntu-desktop and use mythbuntu-control-centre to set up autologin
[20:34] <foxxbuntu> then change the username and password to that on your frontend
[20:34] <hugolp> laga:  thanks
[20:34] <Aval0n> laga: how different is mythbuntu-desktop?
[20:34] <Aval0n> does it still use a window manager?
[20:35] <laga> Aval0n: it uses xfce.
[20:35] <laga> you'll basically get a mythbuntu environment
[20:35] <Aval0n> hmm
[20:35] <Aval0n> so if I install mythtv from source, I can still use that
[20:35] <Aval0n> ?
[20:35] <laga> eek
[20:35] <laga> you'
[20:36] <Aval0n> he just short circuited
[20:36] <Aval0n> hhehe
[20:36] <laga> re own your own there.. i wont work if the  packages are not installed, because it needs them.. you can build packages from source, though
[20:36] <laga> haha, yeah
[20:37] <Aval0n> hmm
[20:37] <Aval0n> see before when I ran feisty I was able to use that mythtv-ubunty-frontend just fine
[20:37] <Aval0n> and I would always just compile the new svn and install it
[20:37] <Aval0n> it would still work
[20:37] <Aval0n> cause _I THOUGHT_ it just loaded openbox and ran mythfrontend
[20:37] <Aval0n> then I got talked into upgrading to gutsy via apt-get dist-upgrade
[20:37] <Aval0n> and it's broken
[20:38] <Aval0n> hehe
[20:38] <Ward1983_> foxxbuntu, it doesnt want to use the new user and password and just keeps trying with the old one
[20:38] <Aval0n> if I have all packages installed from synatpic it works
[20:38] <Aval0n> but the second I compile from source and make instlal
[20:38] <Aval0n> install* it breaks again
[20:38] <Ward1983_> foxxbuntu, allthough the new one is there in mythbuntu-control-centre
[20:39] <laga> Aval0n: yeah, assuming stuff won't always work.. you should either create your own scripts, modify the ones in the package to work for you or rebuild the packages with whatever patch you need
[20:39] <foxxbuntu> Aval0n, sorry, I don't know much about source builds like that...and we generally only support the mythbuntu builds
[20:39] <laga> yeah
[20:40] <laga> building from source makes for unpredictable results, especially if you want to mix with packages
[20:40] <foxxbuntu> Ward1983_, from the frontend in MCC can you test the connection to the backend?
[20:40] <Ward1983_> foxxbuntu, yes i tested and the test worked
[20:40] <Aval0n> laga: I can rebuild tha packages from synatpic?
[20:40] <Aval0n> http://inpherno.com:8080/.xsession-errors
[20:40] <Aval0n> that's my error log
[20:41] <laga> Aval0n: yes, you just need to find yourself some documentation about rebuilding debian packages and you're golden
[20:41] <Aval0n> hmm
[20:41] <Aval0n> i really don't wanna mix with packages
[20:41] <Aval0n> the only package I want working is that mythtv-ubuntu-frontend
[20:41] <foxxbuntu> Ward1983_, oops forgot to tell you, when you change the DB settings in the FE you have to restart the FE application
[20:41] <Aval0n> hehehe
[20:42] <Aval0n> i'm upping to hardy now
[20:46] <Ward1983_> foxxbuntu, working liek a charm now thanx for the help
[20:47] <Ward1983_> foxxbuntu, one more thing, can i compress a little more, my laptop only has a 11mbps wificard
[20:49] <foxxbuntu> Ward1983_, yeah...in the frontend in the setup menus you can change the recording profiles (can't remember the exact location of this menu) and set the bitrate lower
[20:49] <Aval0n> ok guys, maybe you can answer this for me, if you just log in with a normal user, and run mythfrontend from a terminal, how can you get it to NOT display the top and bottom menu bars?
[20:49] <Ward1983_> ah nice jsut in the menu
[20:49] <Aval0n> have it true fullscreen
[20:49] <Ward1983_> foxxbuntu, thanx again, will look for it
[20:49] <foxxbuntu> Ward1983_, NP
[20:50] <rhpot1991_laptop> good luck getting that working with 802.11b
[20:50] <rhpot1991_laptop> you would be better just buying a new card or running a wire
[20:50] <foxxbuntu> rhpot1991_laptop, thats been your trouble as well hasnt it ;)
[20:50] <rhpot1991_laptop> yes, but with 802.11g
[20:50] <Ward1983_> lol it allmost works perfectly standard...
[20:51] <rhpot1991_laptop> most of my cards will have a studder after you skip a commercial or something
[20:51] <Ward1983_> and i HAD a atheros based 54g card
[20:51] <Ward1983_> lost it
[20:51] <rhpot1991_laptop> and if I tried to play videos in both directions, forget it
[20:51] <Ward1983_> only one direction needed here
[20:52] <rhpot1991_laptop> I have a usb wifi adapter than worked great, but ndiswrapper required it to be unhooked when the module was loaded
[20:52] <rhpot1991_laptop> so that is completely useless on a headless box
[20:52] <Aval0n> i run a linksys wireless g USB card
[20:52] <Aval0n> well adpater
[20:52] <laga> do you need a monitor to "unhook" ndiswrapper?
[20:52] <Ward1983_> lol buy atheros based zifi stuff
[20:52] <Aval0n> guess it isn't really a card
[20:52] <Ward1983_> cant go wrong
[20:53] <rhpot1991_laptop> I got that one for $3 from woot, no complaining
[20:53] <Ward1983_> wifi i mean
[20:53] <rhpot1991_laptop> I ended up using an openwrt router as a wifi client, solved everything, but a heck of an expensive solution
[20:53] <Aval0n> rhpot1991_laptop: do you know how to get mythfrontend fullscreen if you just run it from terminal?
[20:53] <Aval0n> so the top and bottom bars don't show
[20:54] <Aval0n> or is there no way to do that
[20:55] <rhpot1991_laptop> it should be fullscreen automagically
[20:55] <rhpot1991_laptop> unless you checked the option not to do so
[20:55] <rhpot1991_laptop> the top and bottom bars could be from compiz
[20:55] <Aval0n> Well it goes fullscreen, but you still see the top and bottom ubuntu bars
[20:56] <Aval0n> I'm talking about being logged in was a normal user
[20:56] <Aval0n> and not mythbuntu
[20:56] <Aval0n> just gutsy
[20:56]  * Ward1983_ goes to steal dads wifi card
[20:56] <Ward1983_> i hope its supported lol
[20:57] <rhpot1991_laptop> I think thats a compiz problem, search the forum
[20:57] <Aval0n> =/
[21:06] <Iggle-Piggle> ok i have got my nova t 500 working (according to dmesg | grep dvb) i have set up the capture cards in myth and the input devices
[21:06] <Iggle-Piggle> but when i hit watch tv nothing happens
[21:07] <EvilGuru> Iggle-Piggle: I have just got one, was it hard to set up
[21:07] <EvilGuru> (although I read of problems in 2.6.24, however someone did post a solution0
[21:08] <Iggle-Piggle> well dmesg says it detected downloaded firmware and is passing mpeg2 transport streams to software demuxer
[21:09] <Iggle-Piggle> so i must not be setting it up in myth properly
[21:11] <rhpot1991_laptop> hey majoridiot
[21:11] <majoridiot> 'lo rhpot1991
[21:12] <Iggle-Piggle> hmmm xine will not play dvb either
[21:12] <rhpot1991_laptop> majoridiot: didn't get to actually verify the daisy-chained both record yet, I'll try that after its done recording important stuff tonight
[21:20] <Ward1983_> how do i add video files to the database so i can play my desktop movies with my laptop trough mythtv?
[21:20] <rhpot1991_laptop> mythvideo
[21:20] <rhpot1991_laptop> in setup there is a video manager
[21:25] <Ward1983_> rhpot1991_laptop, i cant seem to find it
[21:33] <timing> as asked in #mythtv:
[21:34] <timing> 22:27:40 < timing> why is the "MythTV setup terminal" not closing after i close mythtv-setup?
[21:34] <EvilGuru> timing: #mythtv-users
[21:34] <EvilGuru> I think #mytthv is a dev channel
[21:34] <orangepeelbeef> i just upgraded to 8.04 beta and now in Mythtv frontend the menus all disappear.  If I try to move up or down the menu it reappears shortly but goes away again
[21:35] <rhpot1991_laptop> orangepeelbeef: see the FAQs
[21:35] <timing> EvilGuru: uhh yeah i was in mythtv-users
[21:35] <rhpot1991_laptop> Ward1983_: on your frontend, go setup
[21:35] <timing> that's where they pointer me here
[21:35] <rhpot1991_laptop> and its right there
[21:38] <orangepeelbeef> rhpot1991_laptop: thinking its the themepainter?  i'll try that
[21:38] <rhpot1991_laptop> orangepeelbeef: sounds like it
[21:38] <Ward1983_> rhpot1991_laptop, aha lets see
[21:39] <Ward1983_> rhpot1991_laptop, ok i have the mythvideo plugin but i have no clue how to use it
[21:41] <rhpot1991_laptop> Ward1983_: on your frontend, go into settings, there is a video manager there that will find things in the mythvideo folder (which can be changed in the setup>media>videos or somewhere like that)
[21:43] <Iggle-Piggle> every step is a hurdle
[21:43] <Ward1983_> lol
[21:43] <Iggle-Piggle> i got dvb set up
[21:43] <Iggle-Piggle> scanned for channels
[21:44] <Ward1983_> rhpot1991_laptop, i think i should probably go for a smokebreak first lol
[21:44] <Iggle-Piggle> but when i got to watch tv the screen goes black and drops back to the menu
[21:45] <Ward1983_> rhpot1991_laptop, aaaaaaah you meant just the thing that tells me no files are found?
[21:45] <rhpot1991_laptop> ya, get some files into the folder for it
[21:46] <rhpot1991_laptop> and it will find them
[21:46] <Ward1983_> setup>media>videos
[21:46] <Ward1983_> what setup do you mean?
[21:46] <Ward1983_> i wanna change the folder
[21:46] <rhpot1991_laptop> the same setup that the video manager is under
[21:46] <Ward1983_> ah ok
[21:46] <rhpot1991_laptop> setup, settings something like that
[21:48] <Ward1983_> rhpot1991_laptop, but do i need to fill in my directory on the harddisk of the backend?
[21:48] <Ward1983_> or is that for local files only?
[21:48] <rhpot1991_laptop> thats local files only, so if they are seomwhere else you need to share them over
[21:48] <Ward1983_> because i would like to lets say play the videos remotely
[21:49] <rhpot1991_laptop> with nfs/samba/etc
[21:49] <Ward1983_> just like i play tv remotely
[21:49] <Ward1983_> ok i didnt mean local files
[21:49] <Ward1983_> does anyone else know how i can play files that are on my backend on a frontend?
[21:51] <Iggle-Piggle> can someone help me with my tuner setup
[21:53] <rhpot1991_laptop> Ward1983_: I just told you how
[22:33] <Ward1983> sorry rhpot1991 i had to shutdown earlyer
[22:33] <Ward1983> i setup 2 sources, the composite input and the tuner
[22:33] <Ward1983> how can i use the composite input?
[22:35] <Iggle-Piggle> when i go to watch tv it says that it cannot connect to the master backend server but the ips are the same?
[22:36] <Iggle-Piggle> how do i make sure the master backend is running?
[22:36] <frank23> Iggle-Piggle: is the backend running?
[22:37] <frank23> Iggle-Piggle: ps -ef | grep myth   will show the processes named myth that are running
[22:38] <frank23> Iggle-Piggle: /var/log/mythtv/mythbackend.log  contains the backend log
[22:39] <Iggle-Piggle> it would appear that it is running
[22:39] <Iggle-Piggle> checking logs
[22:42] <Iggle-Piggle> not sure what i am looking for here
[22:42] <Iggle-Piggle> i did a google and it said something about deleting some txt files
[22:42] <frank23> Iggle-Piggle: what do you mean?
[22:43] <frank23> Iggle-Piggle: nothing unusual at the end of the log?
[22:43] <Iggle-Piggle> scheduled 0 items
[22:43] <frank23> Iggle-Piggle: that's ok
[22:43] <Iggle-Piggle> Next:
[22:43] <Iggle-Piggle> Also check and make sure you don't have a ~/.mythtv/mysql.txt. Make sure you don't have a /home/mythtv/.mythtv/mysql.txt too. If you have either, get rid of it.
[22:44] <Iggle-Piggle> i have never watched tv on it before
[22:44] <Iggle-Piggle> i just got the dvb card working
[22:44] <Iggle-Piggle> scanned channels
[22:45] <frank23> Iggle-Piggle: do you have a ~/.mythtv/mysql.txt  ?
[22:46] <Iggle-Piggle> could not find that path
[22:46] <Iggle-Piggle> is that the full path?
[22:46] <frank23> ~ stands for /home/yourusername
[22:46] <Ward1983> does anyone know how i can use my composite input? i set it up in mythtv but i dont know how to use it instead of the tuner to watch
[22:47] <Iggle-Piggle> i have a mysql.txt in etc/mythtv
[22:47] <frank23> Ward1983: in the backend setup you have to use that input instead of tuner
[22:47] <frank23> Iggle-Piggle: that's ok that one should be there
[22:47] <Iggle-Piggle> nothing in home/mythtv (mythtv is my user)
[22:48] <Ward1983> frank23, is there no way to use both?
[22:48] <Ward1983> frank23, and switch between them
[22:48] <frank23> Iggle-Piggle: make sure the DBPassword  is the same in /etc/mythtv/mysql.txt as in the frontend setup
[22:51] <Iggle-Piggle> cool
[22:51] <Iggle-Piggle> i changed the passy to something easy and it work
[22:51] <Iggle-Piggle> only prob is i got both tuners playing at the same time lol
[22:51] <frank23> Iggle-Piggle: the frontend can watch livetv now?
[22:52] <Iggle-Piggle> yes
[22:52] <frank23> Iggle-Piggle: and you can see the program guide?
[22:52] <Iggle-Piggle> it went straight to channel one
[22:53] <Iggle-Piggle> do you know what the keyboard shortcut is for guide? (not got as far as setting up my remote properly)
[22:53] <frank23> Iggle-Piggle: in the menu go to schedule recording->program guide
[22:54] <Iggle-Piggle> yes
[22:54] <Iggle-Piggle> :-)
[22:54] <frank23> Iggle-Piggle: good ;-)
[22:54] <Iggle-Piggle> why in live tv do i get both tuners play one on top of the other?
[22:55] <frank23> Iggle-Piggle: what do you mean? picture in picture?
[22:55] <Iggle-Piggle> or picture over picture
[22:55] <Iggle-Piggle> yes
[22:56] <frank23> Iggle-Piggle: press m for on screen menu and disable picture in picture
[22:58] <Iggle-Piggle> arrrgh
[22:58] <Iggle-Piggle> now i have picture over picture and picture in picture
[22:58] <Iggle-Piggle> !!
[22:58] <frank23> Iggle-Piggle: I don't understand the picture over picture part
[22:59] <Iggle-Piggle> the screen is split
[22:59] <Iggle-Piggle> horizontally
[23:00] <Iggle-Piggle> and i see the same channel twice
[23:00] <Iggle-Piggle> stretched
[23:00] <frank23> Iggle-Piggle: I have no idea what would cause that
[23:01] <Iggle-Piggle> when i rewind or fastforward it goes normal
[23:01] <Iggle-Piggle> hmm
[23:01] <Iggle-Piggle> i bet its my gcard
[23:03] <Iggle-Piggle> it is bugging me now
[23:03] <Ward1983> frank23, is there no way to use both?
[23:03] <Ward1983> frank23, and switch between them
[23:04] <Ward1983> composite and tuner
[23:05] <frank23> Ward1983: setup two video sources and associate one to tuner and one to composite I guess. But I only use tuner so I don't have any experience with that
[23:05] <Ward1983> frank23, ok thanx, you mean setup an extra v4l device?
[23:06] <frank23> Ward1983: um... no, only one device.
[23:06] <Ward1983> ah ok i think i know what you mean
[23:06] <Ward1983> let me test if that works
[23:06] <Ward1983> thanx in advance
[23:06] <Iggle-Piggle> in restricted drivers manager I now have v4lz-int-device but it is disabled?
[23:07] <frank23> Iggle-Piggle: I don't know what that driver is.... I use hauppauge pvr-150
[23:08] <Iggle-Piggle> well i disabled my gcard driver and i am gonna check tv again
[23:13] <Iggle-Piggle> as i suspected
[23:13] <Iggle-Piggle> i disabled my gcard and it works under the vesa driver fine
[23:14] <frank23> Iggle-Piggle: hmmm... not sure what preformance is for video using vesa
[23:14] <Iggle-Piggle> when i say fine
[23:14] <Iggle-Piggle> i mean it works
[23:14] <Iggle-Piggle> its not the best quality
[23:14] <Iggle-Piggle> but there is only 1 screen lol
[23:15] <frank23> Iggle-Piggle: at least there is that!
[23:15] <Iggle-Piggle> I am going to get a geforce 8500gt soon that should sort a few probs i hope
[23:16] <Iggle-Piggle> oooh
[23:16] <frank23> Iggle-Piggle: yeah nvidia is the way to go. especially for tv-out
[23:16] <Iggle-Piggle> i get line after line of "unknown remote controller" when i restart?
[23:16] <Iggle-Piggle> i am using the on board at the mo
[23:16] <Iggle-Piggle> but its ATI
[23:18] <Iggle-Piggle> uh oh
[23:18] <frank23> Iggle-Piggle: not sure if 8500gt is supported by the default nvidia driver in gutsy. hardy should definitely be fine though
[23:19] <Iggle-Piggle> the only reason i say is cos the 8400 and the 8500 are the cheapest nvidia boards that are HDCP compliant
[23:19] <frank23> Iggle-Piggle: I doubt that matters for mythtv...
[23:20] <Iggle-Piggle> it does when it supports blu-ray
[23:20] <Iggle-Piggle> in the near future one hopes
[23:20] <frank23> Iggle-Piggle: well in windows maybe.
[23:20] <Ward1983> frank23, i now have 2 video sources but still only the tuner will work, do you have any idea where i can change it to the other video source?
[23:20] <frank23> Iggle-Piggle: there still isn't dvd support in linux
[23:20] <Iggle-Piggle> yes there
[23:21] <Iggle-Piggle> is
[23:21] <Iggle-Piggle> i use it all the time
[23:21] <frank23> Ward1983: try 'y' in frontend
[23:21] <Ward1983> its a plugin if im not mistaken, dvd functionality
[23:21] <Ward1983> its in mythbuntu-control-centre
[23:21] <frank23> Iggle-Piggle: there is libdvdcss
[23:22] <Aval0n> my update-manager -d has been stuck on removing mythweb cleanup process for over and hour
[23:22] <frank23> Iggle-Piggle: I meant official licensed support.
[23:22] <Aval0n> I'm scared to cancel out of it
[23:22] <Iggle-Piggle> I see
[23:22] <Iggle-Piggle> I doubt there will ever be
[23:22] <Aval0n> can someone recommend a plan of action for me? :)
[23:22] <Iggle-Piggle> i dont care about official licensed support ;-)
[23:22] <frank23> Iggle-Piggle: yes my point exactly. I doubt hdcp complicance will ever affect anything in mythtv
[23:23] <Iggle-Piggle> but if i ever decide to go windows i know my machine is capable
[23:23] <frank23> Iggle-Piggle: yeah.
[23:23] <Iggle-Piggle> my tv is HDCP
[23:23] <Ward1983> frank23, will try thanx
[23:24] <Ward1983> frank23, y does nothing
[23:24] <Iggle-Piggle> ok
[23:24] <Iggle-Piggle> i am in recovery mode lol
[23:25] <Iggle-Piggle> how do i roll back to an old xorg.conf?
[23:25] <Ward1983> Iggle-Piggle, next time create a backup before you mess with it, thats how i allways did it
[23:25] <frank23> Ward1983: I don't really know anything else. In my case, I have two tuners and y switches from one to the other. but they both have access to the same channels. which is not your case I guess
[23:25] <Ward1983> if oyure lucky there are recent backups there anyway
[23:26] <Iggle-Piggle> i know there is a few in the x11 folder
[23:26] <Iggle-Piggle> but i cannot seem to get to it
[23:26] <Ward1983> frank23, indeed the composite is no tuner, it has only access to what goes in
[23:26] <c3rb3rus5> so if i currently have mythbuntu 7.10 installed and updated to the latest version of mythtv via synaptic, can I backup my db, install mythbuntu 8.04 and expect a restore of the DB to work?
[23:27] <frank23> Iggle-Piggle: you should backup it before modifying it. but there may other backups of /etc/X11
[23:27] <frank23> Ward1983: I don't really know how to set that up...
[23:27] <Ward1983> the problem is the reception is not good neough on most channels, so i placed my old vcr in between, now i use that tuner and want to use my composite input, in case i want to watch any of the channels i dont receive good
[23:27] <Ward1983> since the vcr receives anything
[23:28] <Ward1983> frank23, no prob thanx for the help
[23:28] <Iggle-Piggle> My ati card is so unstable
[23:28] <Iggle-Piggle> grrrr
[23:28] <Ward1983> no thats just you messing with xorg.conf without backupping :p
[23:29] <frank23> c3rb3rus5: it should work. backend in 8.04 will update the db to the new format. I don't know how to do the restore itself though
[23:29] <Iggle-Piggle> i am always getting screen glitches
[23:30] <Ward1983> Iggle-Piggle, only while watching tv?
[23:30] <Iggle-Piggle> usually while watching movies
[23:30] <Ward1983> ah ok
[23:30] <Iggle-Piggle> i get what looks like dead pixels
[23:30] <Ward1983> i have that here becaue the reception is not so good
[23:31] <Ward1983> cable is split up to a few tvs and the signal is not amplified...
[23:31] <Ward1983> vcrs and tvs handle it fine but capture card tuners apperantly not
[23:31] <Iggle-Piggle> my dvb is ace
[23:31] <Iggle-Piggle> i got 93 channels on last scan
[23:31] <Ward1983> lol nice
[23:31] <Iggle-Piggle> signal strength is 87%
[23:31] <Ward1983> i dont have a digital one, might get one for the laptop
[23:32] <Iggle-Piggle> you need a good ariel
[23:32] <Iggle-Piggle> the only reason mine is so good is the house is only a year old and has all the boosters and crap in the loft
[23:32] <Ward1983> lol i want a gigantic wifi antenna so i can get to my friend a few km from here
[23:32] <Ward1983> they have sattelite tv
[23:32] <Ward1983> lol
[23:33] <Iggle-Piggle> have you seen joost?
[23:33] <Ward1983> dunno what joost is
[23:33] <Iggle-Piggle> ip tv
[23:33] <Ward1983> i normally dont watch tv much
[23:33] <Iggle-Piggle> google it
[23:33] <Iggle-Piggle> its free
[23:34] <Ward1983> but not for linux :p
[23:34] <Iggle-Piggle> not yet
[23:34] <Ward1983> might be able to use that mac version somehow though
[23:34] <Iggle-Piggle> does the bbc iplayer work in linux yet?
[23:35] <Ward1983> dunno, is that one for everyone?
[23:35] <Ward1983> or just UK?
[23:35] <Ward1983> i know bbc even linences their stuff for UK residents only :@
[23:35] <Iggle-Piggle> everyone id imagine
[23:35] <frank23> Iggle-Piggle: well the flash player should work. it's only uk
[23:35] <Ward1983> thats zhy i hate BBC i cant sample from their stuff
[23:35] <Iggle-Piggle> it is web based
[23:36] <Iggle-Piggle> arrrgh
[23:36] <Iggle-Piggle> my graphics are broke!
[23:36] <frank23> I just remembered people can access high quality shows if they spoof some iphone player
[23:36] <frank23> for bbc shows
[23:36] <directhex> the bbc iplayer is download-only for windows & iphone, flash-streaming for anything with flash9
[23:36] <Ward1983> Iggle-Piggle, just to make sure: check temperature of your GPU and check if the fan is moving, did you overclock your GPU?
[23:36] <frank23> don't know the details mroe than that
[23:37] <Ward1983> frank23, thats funny haha
[23:37] <frank23> directhex
[23:37] <Ward1983> but i personally think its idiotic to only let UK residents use it
[23:37] <frank23> directhex yes but the windows downloads are drmed and the iphone downloads are not
[23:38] <Iggle-Piggle> well
[23:38] <Iggle-Piggle> we do pay the license fee
[23:38] <Ward1983> frank23, really? :s
[23:38] <directhex> frank23, true
[23:38] <Ward1983> frank23, so if i buy (read: emulate) an iphone i do not have to be a UK resident?
[23:38] <frank23> Ward1983: you still have to have a uk IP
[23:39] <directhex> Ward1983, you'd be stealing from me personally if you did
[23:39] <Ward1983> directhex, hows that?
[23:39] <directhex> Ward1983, which may compel me to kill you and eat your brains
[23:39] <directhex> Ward1983, i'm a license fee payer. my payment would be funding the shows you steal
[23:39] <Ward1983> frank23, ah i thought the iphone stuff was global and the windows stuff not
[23:39] <Iggle-Piggle> me too
[23:40] <Iggle-Piggle> i pay my license fee
[23:40] <Ward1983> directhex, so only UK residents can "steal" the money you payed?
[23:40] <frank23> Ward1983: I don't think so.
[23:40] <Iggle-Piggle> lol
[23:40] <Ward1983> im not talking about stealing TV loooooooooooool
[23:40] <Ward1983> i mean the old stuff BBC has online
[23:40] <Ward1983> some sort of archive
[23:40] <directhex> Ward1983, license fee payers have access to bbc services, which include the iplayer
[23:40] <Ward1983> its all creative commons
[23:40] <Ward1983> but for UK residents only
[23:41] <directhex> which creative commons archive is that, pray tell?
[23:41] <Ward1983> directhex, im not sure since im not allowed to use it as one of those stupid foreigners
[23:42] <Ward1983> i foudn it once, went to their site, and you had to be a UK resident
[23:42] <directhex> "The BBC?s trial phase of the Creative Archive licence has now drawn to a close."
[23:42] <Ward1983> so to be very clear: i did not mean licensed, payed digital TV or whatever
[23:43] <Iggle-Piggle> just post in a hackers forum that only uk residents can use the iplayer and it is impossible to break. itll be sorted in a few hours
[23:43] <directhex> you just mean breaking a different license
[23:43] <Ward1983> directhex, i dunno if that was it but it sounds like it
[23:43] <directhex> christ, what is it with fucking kids these days
[23:43] <Ward1983> directhex, NO I DO NOT MEAN THAT
[23:43] <directhex> Ward1983, you mean http://creativearchive.bbc.co.uk/archives/2005/03/the_rules_in_br_1.html
[23:43] <Ward1983> directhex, i thought he meant it was another license for iphone users
[23:43] <Ward1983> FFS
[23:43] <directhex> note license clause 5
[23:44] <Ward1983> directhex, yep i thought 5 was not for iphone users
[23:44] <Ward1983> thats what i ASKED him
[23:44] <Ward1983> and you just say i steal and whatnot
[23:45] <Ward1983> you think you can just say whatever you want and call people thief etc???
[23:45] <directhex> yes, i do
[23:45] <Ward1983> fucking read what i type before you start doing that stuff
[23:45] <Daviey> chaps..
[23:45] <Aval0n> my update-manager -d has been stuck are removing mythweb for over an hour
[23:45] <frank23> language....
[23:45] <Aval0n> my update-manager -d has been stuck are removing mythweb for over an hour?
[23:45] <Aval0n> errr
[23:45] <Aval0n> what do I do?
[23:45] <Aval0n> stupid up button
[23:46] <directhex> the creative archive has *nothing* to do with the iplayer, and still gives you no rights outside the clearly indicated license
[23:46] <Ward1983> directhex, thats my fucking pointm we were talking about something else....
[23:46] <directhex> you're already talking about spoofing as a device to bypass license restrictions. don't act like an oh-so-offended innocent
[23:46] <directhex> cunt
[23:46]  * Ward1983 starts screaming and shouting
[23:46] <frank23> Aval0n: you're just updating right? not upgrading to hardy?
[23:46] <Daviey> directhex is the caped crusader of the BBC licence enforcement don't ya know! :)
[23:46] <Aval0n> frank I AM upgrading to hardy
[23:47] <frank23> Aval0n: oh.
[23:47] <directhex> Daviey, and a licensed whaaaambulance driver
[23:47] <Daviey> directhex & Ward1983: seriously chaps, watch your language
[23:47] <Ward1983> directhex, i was asking if the license was different for iphone users, stop accusing me
[23:47] <Ward1983> because i tohught it was about the creative commons thing
[23:48] <Ward1983> and i would happily amulate an iphone if that license was different
[23:48] <Ward1983> for creative commons stuff
[23:48] <Ward1983> not commercial
[23:48] <Ward1983> if its not clear now i shall have to write you a book i think
[23:48] <Iggle-Piggle> i opened up a whole can of worms with the iplayer thingy didnt i :-s
[23:48]  * Daviey emulates an iphone to get content..
[23:48] <Iggle-Piggle> anyways
[23:48] <Iggle-Piggle> take a look at joost
[23:49] <Ward1983> i did it looks promising
[23:49] <Ward1983> thanx for talking about it i didnt knew it
[23:49] <Iggle-Piggle> what does myth do that vista mce cant? i have never used vista mce
[23:50] <directhex> Iggle-Piggle, multirec & timeshift!
[23:50] <directhex> timestretch, even
[23:50] <Iggle-Piggle> does mce not do timeshift?
[23:50] <frank23> Aval0n: Um.. I'd say kill it. and try to complete the upgrade manually. but I don't really have the time to help you through this if things don't work out.
[23:51] <directhex> Iggle-Piggle, timestretch. myth can take a hour long show, and compress it to play faster without making everyone sound like chipmunks
[23:51] <Iggle-Piggle> why do i need to do that
[23:51] <directhex> how many hours do you have in the day?
[23:52] <Iggle-Piggle> 24
[23:52] <Ward1983> wow record? isnt that a license infraction in most cases? wow
[23:52] <directhex> how'd you like more, gratis?
[23:52] <Ward1983> (sorry i could let it lol)
[23:52] <frank23> Iggle-Piggle: well you can watch things at 1.2x the normal speed if you want
[23:52] <directhex> Ward1983, no. it's specifically permitted in the copyright, designs & patents act, for the purposes of timeshifting
[23:53] <Daviey> Isn't this conversation boring yet?
[23:53] <Iggle-Piggle> that is not a feature i would miss to be fair i like watching things at normal speed
[23:53] <directhex> and in yankland i think there was some landmark court case. something like sonny bono versus sony
[23:53] <Ward1983> but you talkied about recording a one hour show
[23:53] <Iggle-Piggle> does vista mce rewind and fastfoward and do scheduled recordings
[23:53] <Ward1983> and i just said it to joke around
[23:54] <frank23> Iggle-Piggle: I rarely use it but for news and things like that I could see the use.
[23:54] <directhex> give http://www.legislation.gov.uk/acts/acts1988/Ukpga_19880048_en_1.htm a read
[23:54] <Ward1983> nah i dont live there :)
[23:54] <directhex> Iggle-Piggle, yes. myth is also more extensible - you can add multiple machines with tv tuners into a mythtv network, whereas vista is single-machine (with the concept of an 'extender' for playing back recordings on specified devices)
[23:56] <tgm4883_laptop> whats the question?
[23:56] <tgm4883_laptop> something about recording in the US?
[23:58] <directhex> the copyright designs & patents act was in reply to Ward1983
[23:59] <Daviey> BORING
[23:59] <tgm4883_laptop> ah
[23:59]  * directhex patents & copyrights Daviey