[00:00] <vidd> yes...on about 8 computers
[00:00] <fs87> nice :)
[00:00] <vidd> various hardware configurations
[00:00] <fs87> which do you think is the best WM?
[00:01] <vidd> im not a good person to ask....i have only used gnome, KDE, and xfce
[00:01] <fs87> i'm using ion3 right now
[00:01] <vidd> the only reason i use xfce and not gnome is because i like having the same wm on all my machines
[00:01] <vidd> and some cant handle gnome
[00:02] <fs87> how long do you use linux?
[00:02] <vidd> about 3 years? maybe 4
[00:03] <fs87> tried other distro's?
[00:03] <vidd> yes
[00:03] <vidd> i dont like .rpm based distros
[00:03] <fs87> same here
[00:03] <fs87> my first was mandrake
[00:03] <fs87> crashed it many times
[00:04] <fs87> partly cause of the rmp's
[00:04] <vidd> we should move this to #xubuntu-offtopic b4 we get told to
[00:55] <Rohaq> howdy folks
[00:56] <ere4si> g'day
[01:15] <Tu13es> hmm
[01:16] <Tu13es> I want to share an external drive from my desktop running gutsy to my laptop running gutsy
[01:16] <Tu13es> what's the best way to do it?
[01:16] <Tu13es> before I used to use AFP from one Mac to another and it was nice and easy
[01:24] <nathan2> hey, I'm having problems with something.  Is anyone around that can help?
[01:28] <vidd> whats up
[01:59] <Robert8915> hello
[02:04] <zoredache> hi
[02:08] <Valternaz> ola
[02:49] <Jerimiah40> I'm having trouble getting Xubuntu to install, can anyone help me out?
[02:52] <BunnyRevolution> what trouble are you having?
[02:53] <Jerimiah40> Every time I try to install from a live CD (7.10), it gets to 15% complete, and then just locks up
[02:54] <BunnyRevolution> what does your memory look like?
[02:55] <BunnyRevolution> how much memory do you have?
[02:55] <Jerimiah40> 192MB
[02:56] <BunnyRevolution> do you have a high speed connection?
[02:56] <Jerimiah40> Internet?  It's reasonably high speed, yeah
[02:56] <BunnyRevolution> try the alternate cd
[02:58] <Jerimiah40> Alright, I'll try that
[02:58] <Jerimiah40> Just out of curiosity, what is the difference between alternate and desktop?
[02:59] <BunnyRevolution> the alternate installer is more text based, but asks the same questions and uses less mem
[03:00] <Jerimiah40> Alright
[03:00] <BunnyRevolution> so the installer is not as pretty, but works faster.  in fact, i use the alternate install over the normal install because i don't have to point and click, but tab, enter, tab enter
[03:01] <BunnyRevolution> even when i have lots of mem.  after downloading, test your cd, then install
[03:01] <Jerimiah40> okay
[03:01] <Jerimiah40> Does it install everything that the desktop installer does?
[03:01] <BunnyRevolution> yes
[03:01] <Jerimiah40> alright
[03:02] <BunnyRevolution> the alternate allows for some other options, one of them bieng LVM
[03:03] <Jerimiah40> Neat
[03:45] <Sl4y3r> anyone know why when i view flash videos in firefox even after deleteing the cache im not seeing the space re-freed
[03:45] <BunnyRevolution> flash videos are kept in /tmp sometimes
[03:46] <Sl4y3r> ah
[03:47] <Sl4y3r> nothing in there
[03:47] <Sl4y3r> ;x
[03:48] <BunnyRevolution> well, they don't end in *.s*
[03:49] <Sl4y3r> what would they end in?
[03:49] <BunnyRevolution> ~/.mozilla/firefox/somename.default/Cache , you need to look here as well
[03:49] <reindeer> I am looking for a way to bust open a .toast torrent file to extract the boot image for a complete, error-free bootable ISO. Any solutions?
[03:50] <BunnyRevolution> download the .torrent, and mount the iso and then extract the boot image
[03:52] <reindeer> The torrent is completely downed. Just need to find an app or utility which will extract the boot image from the file.
[03:52] <reindeer> From there, i hsould be able to mount it nicely.
[03:52] <reindeer> I should
[03:53] <reindeer> I'm just having trouble extracting the boot image.
[03:56] <reindeer> I'll see what 7zip will do. Gotta work the CLI from xterm. It may be the only option in which to extract the image from the toast torrent. Appreciate your help.
[04:20] <Ultraputz> if you want the wireless applet to remember a wep key, how do you do that?
[04:57] <Tuv0k> my xubuntu install has no pulse happening
[04:57] <Tuv0k> pam is getting "connection refused to server"
[04:59] <Tuv0k> !pulse
[04:59] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about pulse - try searching on http://ubotu.ubuntu-nl.org/factoids.cgi
[05:00] <Tuv0k> !pulseaudio
[05:00] <ubotu> PulseAudio is a sound server intended as a drop-in replacement for !ESD - See https://wiki.ubuntu.com/PulseAudio for information and installation instructions
[05:36] <zoredache> I am surpised that someone hasn't banned you irseekbot
[05:39] <Tuv0k> http://pastebin.com/d1e28189f
[08:29] <ere4si> I need to get gnome-vfs module running so I can use gdesklets - how to install and run it pls
[08:31] <Iskr> synaptic?
[08:31] <ere4si> not listed there Iskr
[08:36] <ere4si> someone with an idea?
[08:41] <Iskr> well if i look for gdesklets on synaptic i find it
[08:42] <Iskr> and i presume that if i install it, it would, as usual, install needed dependencies
[11:12] <julian> hi ive got a problem with the xubuntu livecd
[11:12] <julian> and dunno if its a bug a feature or if i miss something
[11:12] <totalwormage> do tell
[11:12] <julian> im not able to use gparted how it should work
[11:13] <julian> opening gparted leads mount to mount everything automatically
[11:13] <julian> and if i change a partition it gets started working on it and suddenly xubuntu decides to mount everything again
[11:13] <julian> and i need to umount it in the terminal
[11:14] <julian> and that needs to be done quickly otherwise gparted stops working on the partition
[11:14] <totalwormage> that doesn't sound good
[11:14] <totalwormage> i think you shouldn't tinker with mounts while gparted is working on them
[11:15] <julian> normally xubuntu shouldnt auto mount everything
[11:16] <totalwormage> hm
[11:16] <julian> i dont have that problem with ubuntu livecd
[11:16] <totalwormage> anyone else here who knows about this kind of thing? :P
[11:16] <julian> gparted is crashing on both when using swapoff but that isnt a big problem
[16:44] <xemonoth> Hi, my RoseGarden program is telling me that the timing in the kernel is too slow.  How do I resolve this?
[17:48] <BunnyRevolution> stay in the channel so i can answer your question ...
[17:51] <BunnyRevolution> i need several world clocks on my desktop.  which program is best to use.
[17:58] <Stroganoff> BunnyRevolution: gdesklets may be the right one
[17:59] <siggjen> or gworldclock
[18:00] <BunnyRevolution> u know, i am gravitating more and more to xubuntu because of the support that is available in this channel
[18:01] <cody-somerville> :)
[19:35] <Ultraputz> any idea how to get network manager to remember WEP passwords ?
[19:37] <maxamillion> Ultraputz: you need the gnome keyring manage
[19:37] <maxamillion> manager*
[19:37] <Ultraputz> does it add a lot of overhead?
[19:39] <maxamillion> uhmm... a bit, yes
[19:39] <maxamillion> but it depends on what you consider "a lot"
[19:39] <Ultraputz> 700mhz p3
[19:41] <maxamillion> yeah, you should be fine ... there might be slight lag when it first negotiates the connection but after that you probably won't notice
[19:41] <maxamillion> Ultraputz: how much ram?
[19:42] <Ultraputz> .5g
[19:42] <Ultraputz> gnome keyring manager. gonna try that. machine is outside, bbiab
[19:43] <Ultraputz> thanks, btw
[19:43] <maxamillion> anytime :)
[19:57] <Stroganoff> whats the name of the xfce network manager package?
[19:59] <charlie-tca> In gutsy, installed package is Gnome-network-manager
[20:10] <slow-motion> hi
[20:49] <BunnyRevolution> xubuntu hardy beta fails the install on virutal box vm
[20:54] <uninvited> Now that is what i call a problem description :)
[21:04] <zoredache> BunnyRevolution: how does it fail?
[21:05] <zoredache> I didn't have any problems when installing in vmware
[21:08] <slow-motion> n8
[21:12] <fivehorizons> Can someone help me with a question about tunneling VNC through SSH?
[21:13] <charlie-tca> Depends on the question
[21:14] <charlie-tca> I've done it with vnc4server and xvnc4client
[21:14] <fivehorizons> I'm pretty much a linux newb but I followed the guide located here: http://www.bit-tech.net/bits/2007/06/05/build_your_own_server/6 to set up a file server
[21:15] <zoredache> fivehorizons: and what are you having problems with?
[21:15] <fivehorizons> I was able to use VNC through SSH the first time I tried it, but after I rebooted the server I keep getting an "Connection Failed - Error reading Protocol Version" message
[21:16] <fivehorizons> However, if I connect serverip:0 it works, but I don't want to do that
[21:17] <zoredache> you restarted your ssh tunnel after the server rebooted right?
[21:18] <fivehorizons> I think so....does that just require making a new SSH connection with putty?
[21:18] <zoredache> fivehorizons: maybe, it depends on if you saved your settings on the session that you had the tunnel working before
[21:19] <fivehorizons> Yeah, I had saved the settings. I'm essentially doing everything the same way as when it first worked. The only difference is that the server was rebooted in between, so I don't know if this screwed something up
[21:20] <zoredache> are you connected to the server now through ssh?
[21:20] <fivehorizons> Not at this moment because I'm at work, but I am able to connect through ssh just fine.
[21:21] <zoredache> well, anyway, when you are connected to the server through ssh runn a command like this 'netstat -ntl | grep 5900'
[21:21] <fivehorizons> ok, what will that tell me?
[21:21] <zoredache> if dont' see anything then x11vnc didn't get started
[21:22] <zoredache> if *you*
[21:22] <zoredache> the sharex11vnc command doesn't seem to be automatically started on its own
[21:23] <zoredache> you probably need to run that each time you ssh in... Or add it to rc.local
[21:23] <fivehorizons> ahh, yeah I actually did do something like that. It didn't start on its own, so i ran sharex11vnc manually.
[21:24] <BunnyRevolution> zoredache: let me re-download it and try again
[21:24] <zoredache> on a related note I would add another option to the x11vnc command line the script uses
[21:24] <fivehorizons> And like I said, VNC works fine if connect directly to the server IP, but if I try to go through localhost:0 it doesn't work
[21:25] <zoredache> I think you add the '-localhost' option so that vnc cannot be accessed unless you have your ssh tunnel working
[21:25] <fivehorizons> ah ok
[21:26] <zoredache> also, if you do that you could add the '-nopw' option which will make it so that you don't have to give vnc a password... Since you can only connect through ssh, it seems like you don't need the extra password.
[21:28] <fivehorizons> yeah, but at this point I'd be happy to see the password dialog box going through ssh haha
[21:28] <fivehorizons> I can't get anything but that stupid protocol error
[21:29] <BillyJoe> when I plug in my usb drive, it dosn't auto make the /media/"name" folder so it can not mount it... How do I get my system to auto create this folder?
[21:34] <zoredache> fivehorizons: sorry, but what question are you getting the 'protcol error' message from?
[21:34] <zoredache> bleah...  what program are you getting the protocol error from..
[21:34] <fivehorizons> UltraVNC when I try to connect to localhost:0
[21:35] <zoredache> do you have a vnc server running on your workstation?
[21:35] <fivehorizons> no, just on the fileserver
[21:36] <zoredache> and your workstation is winxp, vista, or?
[21:36] <fivehorizons> xp
[21:37] <zoredache> on your winxp computer do a command like 'netstat -nt | find "5900"'
[21:37] <zoredache> if you don't see anything in the list, then putting isn't setting things up correctly
[21:38] <zoredache> you also might want to try connecting to localhost::5900 in ultravnc
[21:39] <fivehorizons> Thanks zoredache.  I'll try both of those things when I get home
[21:39] <zoredache> sorry?
[21:40] <zoredache> aren't you trying to set it up so that you can connect from outside of your home?
[21:40] <fivehorizons> I'm not at the xp workstation right now. I'm at my work computer
[21:40] <fivehorizons> well, yes
[21:40] <zoredache> ah
[21:40] <fivehorizons> but I don't have my public IP atm
[21:40] <zoredache> ah
[22:18] <hyper_ch> TheSheep: hiho
[22:18] <TheSheep> hi hyper_ch
[22:19] <hyper_ch> TheSheep: what's up?
[22:21] <TheSheep> hyper_ch: ---> #xubuntu-offtopic
[22:34] <maxamillion> lol
[22:42] <StoneColdDude> Hi anyone home?
[22:42] <maxamillion> j0
[22:43] <StoneColdDude> Hi
[22:43] <zoredache> !anyone
[22:43] <maxamillion> StoneColdDude: actually, i have to brb ... very sorry
[22:43] <StoneColdDude> Are U a Xubuntu user?
[22:43] <zoredache> ubotu have you left us?
[22:43] <zoredache> anyway, whats up?
[22:44] <StoneColdDude> What type of dialup system does Xubuntu use??
[22:44] <StoneColdDude> I use kppp and want a light syatem
[22:45] <zoredache> the underlying system is of course based on ppp...  I am not sure if there is a gui, or how to use it... I think I saw something in Network Manager though
[22:45] <StoneColdDude> OK thank you
[22:45] <StoneColdDude> Gotta go now...bye!
[23:37] <Zoris> I have installed xfce4 from apt-get; how do I get it to work now? If I try to log into the session nothing happens