ArtimusRiddell: Sorry about that, I was eating supper.00:13
RiddellArtimus: how's this one working?00:16
ArtimusIt's...  festive?00:16
nosrednaekimawesome :)00:16
ArtimusTransparency doesn't work right with the panel00:16
nosrednaekimoh yeah... I forgot about that...00:17
ArtimusYou guys are going to upload this tomorrow, aren't you?00:17
nosrednaekimoh well, I think we can live w/ that.00:17
Riddelljust now00:17
nosrednaekimRiddell: thanks so much :) I'm preparing the release notes!00:17
ArtimusI hate April First.  First, no Slashdot.  And now a pink KDE4 :(00:17
ArtimusSo yes, the system tray icons have a black background, and the panel is black instead of partially transparent.00:18
ArtimusOther than that, it seems to work00:18
RiddellArtimus: at least you can rely on dot.kde.org for serious journalism00:18
ArtimusI added that new hardware widget to my desktop, it looked pretty good.00:18
ArtimusAny other questions?00:18
Artimus-17 worked as intended (or close enough).  -16 never showed up00:19
nosrednaekimthe window background and everything is pink, right?00:19
ArtimusLet me double check...  I like the whole fast user switching thing00:19
ArtimusIt's pink (with a purple center)00:20
ArtimusThe panel was the only issue, and that's close enough...00:20
nosrednaekimawesome.. awesome... Thanks for testing :)00:20
ArtimusNo problem...  Well, yes there is a problem (it's freaking pink), but I'm happy to test00:20
ArtimusThat wiki page needs to be fixed00:21
ArtimusThe first paragraph00:21
ArtimusAny reference to OMeGa is messed up00:21
Artimus"MeGa" is the actual link and points to a dead page00:21
ArtimusThe O is plain test00:21
nosrednaekimyeah...I'll fix that...00:22
nosrednaekimthough the OMG is the whole idea ;)00:22
ArtimusOMeGa doesn't point to a valid page either00:22
Riddellneeds a screenshot00:22
ArtimusShould it?00:22
nosrednaekimyeah, i'm workin on that.00:23
nosrednaekimcan't figure out the syntax for thumbnail though00:23
Riddellcan just put http://kubuntu.org/~jriddell/tmp/foolsSS-wee.png in00:24
RiddellI've never worked out how to attach it and thumbnail it00:24
ArtimusI didn't get that wallpaper00:24
ArtimusMy widgets looked right00:24
ArtimusI didn't actually open a konsole, I didn't know it was supposed to turn pink00:24
Riddellno, the wallpaper doesn't work00:25
nosrednaekimArtimus: all windows should be pink...did you open any?00:26
Riddellwon't work with that .deb00:26
ArtimusI thought it was only plasma things00:26
ArtimusThe wallpaper or just the colors?00:26
Riddelluploaded with widgets fixed00:26
Riddelldot story published00:27
Riddellenough mischief for one night, time to sleep00:27
nosrednaekimRiddell: thanks... sleep well :)00:27
ArtimusI'm really getting to like KDE4...  I've switched to KDE4's Konqueror and Kopete.  I need to file some bug reports for Dolphin.  It keeps crashing horribly.00:28
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jjessehow are things going this evening?01:58
jjessechirp chirp02:04
nixternalseele: pong?02:08
nixternalhowdy jjesse02:09
jjessehowdy nixternal02:09
* Jucato missed nixternal02:13
jjesseevening Jucato02:13
nixternalumm, someone tell me that the dot article Riddell posted is a april fools joke02:13
Jucatosure think so :)02:14
jjessethat's great02:14
nixternalAaron Seigo "and following a $10,000 donation from an anonymous North American source we realised the market should decide the best formats to use, not technical beurocrats."02:14
nixternalhahahaha, ya it is02:14
nixternalFor some more MS interoperability it would be cool if KDE could support DirectX 11 in Plasma02:15
nixternalgahahahah, the comments rock02:15
nixternal20:27:40 [  eddieftw] i love KDE politics sometimes02:27
nixternalgahahahahahha, people are falling for that dot story02:28
nixternalcome on, they didn't get the subtle hints in it?02:28
Jucato<Jucato> "KDE gained a representative late last year through our legal body KDE e.V. realising that the only way to ensure a fair process was to be part of it." <--- heard that "reason" somewhere before... and it wasn't from an April Fool's joke :)02:28
Jucatothat was my first clue :)02:28
Jucatoer.. actually my 2nd clue :P02:28
Jucato(1st clue was that it's already April1 here :P)02:28
Jucato"KDE founder Stephan Coolio..." 3rd clue :)02:29
nixternalhaha, and changing nappies02:30
daskreechJucato: from the sorry-rms dept02:30
nixternalyou can't rely on those02:31
Jucatodaskreech: I never rely on those dept names and on the various titles given to aseigo02:31
nixternalthe dept. tags are supposed to be jokes02:31
Jucatoso I don't consider "KDE's Supreme Leader Aaron Seigo" as a clue :)02:31
daskreech Yeah but sorry rms? :)02:33
daskreechJucato: Esp if you didn't read the article :-)02:34
daskreechThat's graet02:41
bdgraue_where can i find the progress bar graphics in oxygen theme kde4?02:42
nixternalbdgraue_: well if they are anything like the scroll bars, then there are no graphics..it is all created from c++ code02:47
bdgraue_hmm, ok thx nixternal02:47
nixternalactually, it is in oyxgen.h and oxygen.cpp located in kdebase/runtime/kstyles/oxygen/02:48
JucatoKDE widget styles/engines are C++ code afaik02:49
Jucatono pixmaps02:49
nixternalya, I am looking at it now...that is nuts02:50
jjessewow that was close02:51
Jucatoalthough I think someone was working on a pixmap/SVG-themeable widget style (Kokoon?) before... but the engine/style itself is still C++.02:51
jjesselaptop turned off and then wouldn't turn on internal disk couldn't be found02:51
jjessetime to backup everything02:51
Jucatoouch :(02:51
jjessehrm wonder how long it will take to copy over a 60 gig drive03:05
jjessehope my drive stays up while i copy it it03:05
nixternalman, getting this presentation tweaked is a pain03:32
vorianhow long a presentation?03:38
vorian45 min?03:38
vorianthose are the worst imo03:38
nixternal45min to 1 hour03:50
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nareshovriddell :D03:57
nareshovalready discussed :D03:58
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nixternalhttp://www.nixternal.com/flourish2008.pdf <- let me know what you think about that type of layout? it is only in the beginning stages05:31
nixternalnothing beats LaTeX for creating presentations, or any type of professional document05:31
nareshovlooking good05:34
nixternalman, jdong has the #1 April Fools joke yet05:40
yuriyyay unicorn06:07
yuriythough i didn't get any of the plasma stuff, just kdm06:07
yuriyalso yay gmail custom time06:07
daskreechcustom time?06:19
Seregakeyboard autodetection rocks! :)06:22
Serega*keyboard layout06:23
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Seregakwwii: hi09:45
kwwiiSerega: hi09:45
SeregaI want to make a cool kubuntu t-shirt. could you please give me the sources (svg if possible) of our pretty kdm theme? :)09:47
kwwiihttp://sinecera.de/feisty_kdm2_dark2bg.svg was the last one I made...I think someone else worked on it for hardy09:50
Seregakwwii: yep... broken link09:51
kwwii http://sinecera.de/feisty_kdm2_dark2b.svg09:53
Seregakwwii: ah... np, thank you! :)09:55
Tonio_hi there10:45
* Jucato hides and waves from a corner10:45
RiddellTonio_: how do you like the new artwork?10:50
wotananybody gets a memory leak with this pdf?10:53
wotanwith kpdf in kubuntu hardy10:53
Tonio_Riddell: I didn't saw it yet, gimme a second :)10:54
wotanin my computer it eats all my memory10:54
Tonio_Riddell: ^_^10:55
Tonio_Riddell: just perfect for an april 1st :)10:55
Riddellapril 1st?  this is out hardy artwork!10:57
jussio1ok,  who was it that put the unicorn on my login screen?11:12
Nightrosejussio1: don't you love it?11:16
Nightroseeveryone loves it!11:16
_StefanS_Tonio_: hey, the dialog works, but I have some resizing issues of the controls inside of it11:37
Tonio__StefanS_: ah...11:49
_StefanS_Tonio_: i'll see what i can do11:53
Tonio__StefanS_: well first get the features to work, polishing can be done later11:53
_StefanS_Tonio_: trouble is that only the ok,cancel, apply button and the caption text from the frame is visible.. the fields are not :)11:55
_StefanS_Tonio_: has something to do with me using a predefined layout from kdialogbase I think11:55
_StefanS_Tonio_: so the layout f*cks up because I dont have a Hbox or something at the right place11:55
_StefanS_Tonio_: I might code the dialog inline instead, not sure11:56
Tonio__StefanS_: ouch...12:00
_StefanS_Tonio_: you could me by getting out the code from kwlan for the start/stop network and modifying /etc/network/interfaces12:00
Riddellstdin: go go on 4.0.312:00
Tonio__StefanS_: I'll try , promissed12:00
_StefanS_Tonio_: cool12:00
Tonio_Riddell: have you tried pardus ?12:00
Tonio_Riddell: I tested it yesterday and they really have excellent configuration frontend, like our guidance12:01
Riddellstdin: no packaging changes, so should just need the same ones you usually do (libgif-> libungif)12:01
RiddellTonio_: I have not12:01
Tonio_Riddell: but their tools are, I must say, much better, and well maintained12:01
Tonio_Riddell: they are based on a backend (comar) with a series of kcm modules (tasma)12:01
Tonio_Riddell: they have all that we have, but also a very nice network manager a grub frontend and so on12:02
Tonio_Riddell: since those are maintained, I was thinking about contacting them to get their plans for kde412:02
Tonio_Riddell: we could work with them on their tools instead of porting guidance, no ?12:02
Riddellif they're developed in an open way and they're designed to be cross distro and they can be part of KDE12:03
_StefanS_what is pardus based on ?12:03
_StefanS_linux from scratch :)12:04
Tonio_Riddell: http://www.pardus.org.tr/eng/projects/index.html12:04
Tonio_Riddell: not everything is usefull, but some of their tools would be really interesting12:04
Tonio_Riddell: we could discuss this during the UDS12:04
Tonio_Riddell: I was thinking about their network manager, their user manager, their firewall etc....12:04
Tonio_Riddell: it is open source, and developped to be cross plateform12:05
Tonio_Riddell: I tried but couldn't get them to work on kubuntu, due to python errors, but a friend of mine knows pardus devs, so maybe I can get help to get them to work12:05
Tonio_here is the network-manager : http://www.pardus.org.tr/eng/projects/network-manager/index.html12:06
Tonio_of course too late for hardy, but for hardy + 1, that would be nice :)12:07
Tonio_Riddell: if they are interested in working with us, would you agree to have a discussion during the uds ?12:09
_StefanS_Tonio_: I think its a good idea, if there's some good advantages over guidance12:09
Tonio__StefanS_: well, it is like guidance, but with backend + frontend structure, policikit integration, and more modules than we have12:09
Tonio__StefanS_: and......... maintained activelly :)12:10
Tonio__StefanS_: I only see advantages over guidance :)12:10
Tonio_Riddell: tango is back........12:10
Tonio_Riddell: did I forget to commit kds to bzr ?12:11
RiddellTonio_: today's k-d-s isn't in bzr12:11
Tonio_Riddell: ah oki....12:11
Tonio_Riddell: well next commit should fix then :)12:12
Riddell"12:10 < Haskear> I just updated Ubuntu and theres a gay looking unicorn wallpaper at logon :o whats the deal?"  some people deserve to look stupid12:14
smarteryay, unicorn FTW12:15
Tonio_Riddell: I just fixed k-d-s makefile for oxygen theme, there was still tango entries in it12:16
apacheloggerRiddell: I hope so, at least I provided him with the necessary informations to get it fixed :)12:16
Tonio_Riddell: I'll commit tomorrow12:16
RiddellTonio_: commit away, just wait on the upload12:17
Tonio_Riddell: done ;)12:17
Tonio_Riddell: does pardus diserve interest for the UDS or not ? so that I can submit the idea ;)12:17
RiddellTonio_: yes, it's worth looking at12:18
Tonio_oki ;)12:18
Tonio_Riddell: to be honnest, although I really respect the work that was done on it, guidance is a bit limited compared to what mandriva, opensuse or redhat have....12:19
Tonio_Riddell: but those tools are not really portable, that's why I'm interested in pardus, since their tools are as polished as the other distro's, but with a portable plateform12:20
Tonio_and I'm tired seeing the distros reinventing the wheel :)12:20
smarterIs guidance still actively maintained?12:21
smarterLast update of the homepage is one year old12:21
* apachelogger hugs smarter12:22
apacheloggerI should upload my changes to the kubuntu-de site12:22
awen_smarter: not really... the "active maintenance" is a large collection of kubuntu-patches atm.12:23
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awen_smarter: all the patches might be thrown into the guidance-svn after the hardy release, i think that's it ... but ScottK might know better/more than me12:32
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neversfeldewill this lovely unicorn be the default wallpaper in hardy?^^13:13
JucatoI hope it's packaged as an alternative :)13:20
nosrednaekimnope..... it goes right in :)13:21
Hobbseewhere is it?13:27
nosrednaekimjust update your hardy13:27
* Jucato "extracted" the jpeg to save it for posterity's sake :)13:28
jpatrickHobbsee: see? pink.13:29
nosrednaekimfor some reason the colo scheme doesn't come across :(13:30
Hobbseejpatrick: screenshot?13:30
* Hobbsee isn't running kde...13:30
jpatrickHobbsee: sudo apt-get install kubuntu-desktop13:31
jjesseman i still am laughing at the article Riddell posted on the dot13:31
jpatrickJucato: hahahaha13:32
Hobbseerofl!  http://kubuntu.org/~jriddell/tmp/foolsSS-wee.png ?13:34
jpatrickHobbsee: remove the -wee13:35
Hobbseemmm, tasty13:36
nosrednaekimjpatrick: heh..go over to #ubuntu+1 .... pretty hilarious over there...13:37
jpatricknosrednaekim: I just did13:37
nosrednaekimwell... its quite now <_<13:37
* Nightrose highfives txwikinger -> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UbuntuBugDay/20080401/KDE14:15
* txwikinger hifives Nightrose back14:16
apacheloggeryuriy: btw, would it be possible to announce hugs day a bit earlier14:17
seeleapachelogger: he did a few days ago14:47
apacheloggerseele: I only got a mail todayish14:50
Riddellloh arse, I uploaded kdebindings15:09
Jucatopart of April Fools? :)15:12
jjesseso from the wiki i'm a bit confused has all the bugs been triaged/dealt with that are on the list for today?15:14
Nightrosejjesse: yes15:20
Nightrosehowever there are more out there waiting for you ;-)15:20
jjesseah then nothing to do :)15:20
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Riddellljjesse: kiosktool doesn't work with KDE 415:55
jjesseRiddell: dang it ok i will drop that section15:55
Riddellljjesse: well15:55
Riddellljjesse: it mostly describes editing files directory which should work15:55
jjesseunless there is a better way of dealing with things?15:56
jjesseok  i can tweak it15:56
Riddellljjesse: just not the kiosktool GUI app15:56
jjesseRiddell: ok thanks15:57
Riddellljjesse: PDF viewer is Okular not KPDF15:57
jjesseinteresting i can't open a usb drive formated in ntfs in 8.04 i was able to in 7.1015:57
jjesseRiddell: making notes of things to change15:57
Riddellljjesse: "Finding Help" KHelpCenter doesn't seem to work15:57
Riddelllin KDE 415:58
jjesseit opesn for me... do not have manuals loaded or are there not?15:59
Riddelllexactly, quite a notable bug16:01
jjesseok, so i have to remove the khelpcenter and reference gettign help on #kubuntu16:01
jjesseor is it #kubuntu-kde4?16:01
Riddelllhmm, dunno16:03
Riddellljust #kubuntu probably fine16:03
jjesseok thanks have some minor tweaks then.... will change and upload later16:05
jjessearlight other question:  anyone have any problems w/ USB drives formated in NTFS and mounting them?16:06
smarterwhat sort of problems?16:07
jjesse"An error occurerd while accessing 'Volume (ntfs)', the system said: org.freedesktop.Hal.Device.Volume.UnknownFailure: TODO: have to rething extra options"16:08
jjessethat's "rethink"16:09
smartermaybe the last revision of http://websvn.kde.org/branches/KDE/3.5/kdebase/kioslave/media/mediamanager/halbackend.cpp?view=log solve this16:09
smarter"- In case of ntfs external devices, hal can have the option for locale at mount"16:09
jjessethis is under kde416:10
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yuriyapachelogger: i try, but i'm trying to go along with the ubuntu ones and bdmurray and pedro usually don't warn me. but generally if you get mail from them you can expect a similar one from me16:33
apacheloggeryuriy: do we have to go with ubuntu hug days?16:34
apacheloggerwe could do kubuntu hugs some days after the ones for ubuntu16:34
yuriywe could16:35
yuriymy original idea was when they're doing some gnome application we do the corresponding kde application, but there's really no particular reason to do it that way16:35
yuriyexcept for things like networkmanager and powermanager where bugs may be duplicate in the backends16:36
yuriyin which case i think it's potentially helpful16:36
txwikingerwell.. the last day was pretty much ignored by a lot of people and you had warned a couple of days before yuriy16:38
nosrednaekimRiddell: ouch... apparently that package affected some users plasma themes...16:38
Riddellnosrednaekim: oh?16:39
apacheloggernosrednaekim: ?16:39
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apacheloggerRiddell: btw, kdebindings is pretty much finished16:40
apacheloggerlovely news... there will be independen releases of qtruby and kderuby16:40
Riddelloh, grr16:41
Riddellapachelogger: do you know why?16:41
apacheloggernow, I'll ask some more16:41
apacheloggermaybe they are just cutdown tarballs from kdebindings16:42
yuriytxwikinger: yeah... thanks for helping out though16:42
txwikingeryuriy: No problem :)16:42
apacheloggerRiddell: why would we package non-kdebindings releases anyway?16:49
Riddellapachelogger: if they were more up to date, as seems to have happened with pykde16:49
apacheloggerRiddell: more people use qtruby than korundum, so rdale wants to do seperate releases for it, I suggested to just create the tarball based upon whatever is the latest kdebindings tarball16:53
* apachelogger doesn't really get why pykde and qtruby are in kdebindings if they follow their own release cycle anyway16:54
* txwikinger wonders what happened to his KDE3 stuff16:59
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jpatricktxwikinger: new theme for hardy17:00
txwikingerjpatrick: No on gutsy17:00
Riddellapachelogger: as far as I know qtruby is just developed in kde svn, so it would be a tar of what's in kdebindings17:00
txwikingerI get endless blocking when konq loads webpages17:00
Riddellapachelogger: pykde guy likes to work his own way, and Sime keeps trying to have development opened up so Sime copies it to kdebindings17:01
apacheloggerRiddell: maybe we should move Amarok to kdemm then -.-17:07
apacheloggerRiddell: please take a look at http://aplg.kollide.net/kubuntu/kdebindings/17:22
nixternalI can't get rid of this damn fluffy bunny theme :P17:30
* nixternal liked the joke until it was played on me :D17:30
* apachelogger changes one of nixternal's bug's status in tha most shameless way17:33
* milian is away: Zur Zeit nicht da.17:35
* Tm_T slaps milian 17:35
apacheloggermilian: public away messages sind phöööööse!17:36
Nightrose*lol* Tm_T - I just did the same in another channel ;-)17:36
apacheloggerpoor milian :(17:37
* apachelogger hugs milian17:37
nixternalumm, why did you set fluffy bunny as slim-glow?17:39
apacheloggernixternal: ?17:40
Riddelleasiest thing to do17:40
nixternalchange it back quick!!!!17:40
nixternalit is so.....omg....17:41
nareshovwhere? where?17:41
nixternalthis theme makes me feel like Paris Hilton17:41
nixternalit's hot17:41
nixternalanyone that has Fox News17:43
nixternalturn it on..they are going to talk about the Macbook Air, the Vista machine, and the Ubuntu machine17:43
* apachelogger only has KDE News17:43
nixternalhacking thingy17:43
apacheloggernixternal: record it17:43
nixternalcome on, my tv is in the 1980s17:43
nixternalit will more than likely end up on YouTube anyways17:44
Riddellno DVB?  no public service organisation other people pay for to record it for you?17:44
* apachelogger doesn't even have a TV17:44
apacheloggerapparently fox is also in the 80s since they have no web stream17:44
ForsakenSoulcan someone tell me what's stable in the hardy beta and steel needs more experimenting17:45
nixternalomg, Fox News just lied17:48
nixternalthe said..."To be fair, the Vista and Linux products failed too"17:48
nixternalI didn't hear that the Ubuntu laptop got hacked17:48
Riddellapachelogger: "dpkg-source: cannot represent change to ruby/qtruby/tools/rbrcc/main.o: binary file contents changed"17:49
Riddellrm makes a good workaround17:50
* apachelogger opens gedit17:53
txwikingernixternal: I missed that one18:04
* txwikinger goes back with rewind18:06
txwikingernixternal: Wasn't Fox News... was PC Magazine guy18:08
* txwikinger wasn't aware that safari browser is part of ubuntu18:09
jjessehrmm can't find okular is that because i'm not spelling it right?18:11
nixternaltxwikinger: ya18:11
apacheloggerjjesse: did you install it?18:11
nixternalokular is correct jjesse18:11
jjesseshouldn't it install by default in hardy kde4?18:11
nixternalI really want this fluffy bunny gone18:11
nixternalRiddell: when are we uploading 4.0.3?18:11
apacheloggerRiddell: btw, did you add the necessary KDE 3 apps to the KDE 4 seed yet?18:12
apacheloggernixternal: edit the plasmarc18:12
nixternalapachelogger: they overwrote slim-glow with fluffy bunny :p18:12
smarternixternal: 4.0.3 is already uploaded (:18:13
apacheloggernixternal: yeah, you can switch to KDE 4 default until slim-glow is back :P18:15
nixternalI overwrote it with my slim-glow :)18:16
nixternaldamn, I didn't even realize 4.0.3 was uploaded...time to hit the extragear uploads then18:16
jjesseok silly question.... hardy remix should use okular for pdfs correct?18:17
apacheloggerthat name is a pure strangeness18:17
jjessenot finding it installed18:17
apacheloggerRiddell: please also add okular to the seed :)18:17
apacheloggershouldn't okular be part of kubuntu-kde4-desktop?18:18
apacheloggerit isn't18:18
jjessei thought it should18:19
apacheloggerRiddell: why is kde4-meta not in some bzr? + please add okular to k-k4-d18:20
yuriyholy crap18:25
* yuriy hugs txwikinger and Nightrose 18:25
* txwikinger hugs yuriy back18:25
* Nightrose hugs yuriy back18:25
jjessewhy the holy crap?18:25
Nightrosedamn you txwikinger18:25
Nightrosestealing my lines18:26
yuriyjjesse: first time i refreshed the hug day page today and it's already done18:26
apacheloggertechnically saied18:26
txwikingerNightrose: I have that line copyrighted18:26
apacheloggerNightrose stole txwikinger's line18:26
Nightrosemeh :p18:26
jjessethat means  no more work18:26
* Nightrose foods and watches an episode of nip/tuck18:28
smarterjust switched virtual desktop and saw the unicorn wallpaper for "real", shocking :P18:34
apacheloggerNightrose: btw, did I already show you my funky nu wallpaper?18:35
Nightroseapachelogger: nope show me show me ;-)18:35
apacheloggerNightrose: http://aplg.kollide.net/images/gnome/Screenshot-5.png18:36
Nightroseahh /me likes18:37
ForzaPalermoanyone know how to get system-config-samba working in hardy heron?18:39
smarterisn't that a fedora config tool?18:40
ForzaPalermono its in the repos18:40
ForzaPalermoworked fine for me in gutsy18:40
ForzaPalermoit just crashes all the time, form what i know its a known bug18:41
ForzaPalermoi just want to know if there is a fix, or a workaround18:41
apacheloggerthat's not a KDE/Qt app, is it?18:42
apacheloggerplus this is not much of a support channel anyway, ForzaPalermo, you might be better off asking in #ubuntu I guess18:43
ForzaPalermoi went there already :(18:43
ForzaPalermoand no it snot18:43
ForzaPalermoits for gnome i guess18:43
apacheloggerForzaPalermo: I guess it is the crash reported in bug #18554318:43
ubotuLaunchpad bug 185543 in system-config-samba "system-config-samba.py crashed with SystemError in __init__()" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/18554318:43
txwikingerFirst I did manage to test KDE in Spanish, now it doesn't want to go back to English :)18:44
ForzaPalermoyes and i tried their fix18:44
ForzaPalermono go18:44
txwikingerdid not^^18:44
* apachelogger waves18:46
Riddellsoo, no stdin yet18:49
Riddellanyone else want to put 4.0.3 into the PPA?18:50
stdinRiddell: just because I don't speak doesn't mean I don't lurk ;)18:50
Riddellah, stdin18:51
Riddellmy appologies18:51
stdinPPAs are quite backed-up though, and one i386 buildd is down :(18:51
Nightroseanyone here with konversation in kde 3.5.9 to confirm a bug for me?18:55
ubotuLaunchpad bug 209368 in konversation "[hardy] OSD doesn't work in Konversation anymore" [Undecided,Incomplete]18:55
Nightroseit works just fine in kde 418:55
NightroseYuuki: ?18:58
Riddellapachelogger: dpkg-deb: parse error, in file `debian/libkorundum4-ruby1.8-examples/DEBIAN/control' near line 7 package `libkorundum4-ruby1.8-examples': `Depends' field, reference to `libkorundum4-ruby1.8': version contains ` '19:01
apacheloggerRiddell: yeah, trying to fix that right now, but  I have no clue why this is happening, probably because of shlibs:Depends19:02
Riddellapachelogger: => should be >=19:04
Riddelland ${source:Version}  I think should be  ${Source-Version}19:04
apacheloggerRiddell: didn't work either from my trial19:04
apacheloggersource-version sounds resonable19:05
Yuukiya Nightrose sorry, can't confirm it. didnt see the kde3.5.9 part19:05
NightroseYuuki: ok19:05
Nightroseanyone else with kde 3.5.9 on hardy?19:06
nixternalhrmm, kgraphviewer's 4.0.3 release is broken19:08
Riddellnixternal: poke toma19:13
nixternalpokin' him already, plus sent and email to packagers19:15
nixternal  QPainterPath path;19:15
nixternal  path.addRegion(boundingRegion(QTransform()));19:15
nixternalthat is where the issue lies19:15
nixternalthat boundingRegion19:15
awen_Nightrose: pop-ups in konversation works fine for me (kde 3.5.9)19:30
Nightroseawen_: this is about OSD (the blue thing that pops up)19:30
Nightrosenot the gray notification popups19:30
Nightrosedoes that work for you as well?19:30
awen_Nightrose: in which cases should it show?19:31
Nightroseon hilight if activated19:31
Nightroseawen_: go to settings -> on screen display to check19:31
awen_Nightrose: just found it...19:32
awen_Nightrose: nope, nothing happens... broken19:32
Nightroseok thx awen_19:32
awen_Nightrose: np19:32
Nightroseseems tonios fix for kde 4 broke kde 3 :(19:33
* Nightrose will update the bugreport19:33
awen_Nightrose: yeah... that's the risky part about having to use all those kde3 apps on kde419:35
apacheloggerNightrose: what did he fix?19:43
Nightroseapachelogger: the "no osd in kde 4" problem19:43
Nightrosebecause of the screensaver check19:43
NightroseI send him an email19:44
apacheloggerdidn't he just apply the upstream change?19:44
apacheloggerIIRC dfaure just removed the whole part where konvi checks for kscreensaver19:44
Nightroseno idea19:44
Seregamuhahaha, great unicorn! :)19:45
Sereganice joke :))19:45
Nightrosesweet isn't it?19:45
* milian_ is back.19:45
* Nightrose slaps milian again :P19:45
Nightrosemilian_:  too19:45
apacheloggerNightrose: http://websvn.kde.org/?view=rev&revision=764087 http://websvn.kde.org/?view=rev&revision=76541219:45
apacheloggermy schweetheart doesn't need to know anything -.-19:46
Nightroseapachelogger: I know that commit - I just don't know what tonio changed19:46
apacheloggergo ahead like this and I will be seriously pissed19:46
* apachelogger gives milian an old xmas cookie19:46
nixternalRiddell: kgraphviewer is qt4.4 now :/19:46
apacheloggerNightrose: just tell him to use these to 2 changes19:46
apacheloggerand nothing else19:46
apacheloggeras in19:46
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nixternalonly changes besides some code to adapt to qt4.4 was...well nothing19:46
* Nightrose cuddles apachelogger19:47
miliansorry Nightrose - wlan is causing netsplit havoc19:47
apacheloggerNightrose: make sure to tell him - nothing19:47
Nightrosemilian: netsplit doesn't puplicly announce your away message - does it?19:47
Riddellnixternal: just don't update the package then19:47
Nightroseapachelogger: I already send the mail to tonio - want me to send another one? ,-)19:48
milianhum? no, i just did /away and /back ... no go in IRC? wont do it then19:48
apacheloggerNightrose: with certain kinds of sun winds it does19:48
apacheloggeroh and the moon as to be in the right angle as well19:48
apacheloggerNightrose: plz19:48
apacheloggermilian: the problem is not the marking of away and back19:48
apacheloggerthe problem is the messages your irc client associated with them19:48
apachelogger[20:45:20] -*- milian_ is back.19:48
Nightroseapachelogger: ok will do19:48
milianapachelogger: I'll have a look at konversations configuration then ;-)19:49
Nightrosemilian: in the settings of your identity for the server19:49
Nightroseyou can change it there19:49
Nightrosego to file -> server list -> edit a server -> ...19:50
milianyep Nightrose - found it, thank you19:50
Nightroseno prob ;-)19:50
* Nightrose hugs milian 19:51
apacheloggerfirst she almost beats him to death19:51
apacheloggerand now she hugs him19:51
apacheloggerNightrose: that is so schizophrenic IMHO19:51
Nightroseisn't that what I always do apachelogger?19:51
apacheloggerhold on19:52
apacheloggerdon't I do that as well?19:52
awen_apachelogger: bug 208528 ... i think your last change to amarok might have broken something?19:53
ubotuLaunchpad bug 208528 in amarok "Amarok just crashed without user interaction" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/20852819:53
nixternalman, kpovmodeler is a tank of an app19:53
apacheloggerblame the motu19:53
Nightroseapachelogger__: hmm he might not have used the second commit...19:56
Nightrosesent the mail19:56
=== uga|away is now known as uga
apachelogger__for some unknown reason I lost the connection to quassel19:57
apachelogger__version strange19:57
apachelogger__*very even19:57
jjessei think apachelogger has become yoda20:02
apachelogger__jjesse: what makes you think that?20:04
jjesseapachelogger__: the last couple of comments from you seemed very disjointed and yoda-like20:05
apachelogger__well, maybe I really became yoda-like20:06
jpatrickRiddell: https://lists.ubuntu.com/archives/kubuntu-users/2008-March/026500.html20:16
* smarter just fixed his F12 key20:18
jpatricksmarter: I told you not to try to take it off with a screwdriver20:18
Riddelljpatrick: that's intentional20:20
* nixternal wishes there was better documentation for lintian20:24
awen_anybody has an mp3 player and is on kde3 that can test if bug 210418 happens for you?20:24
ubotuLaunchpad bug 210418 in amarok "[hardy] amarok crashes when mp3 player controlled by amarok is plugged in and automounted" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/21041820:25
nareshovawen_: give me a moment to log out and log in20:25
awen_nareshov: thanks20:26
nareshovhow do I do step 1. ?20:26
nareshov1. Be sure that the mp3-player is set to be handled by amarok (as generic audio player)20:26
awen_nareshov: plug it in... go to settings > media players > autodetect ... make your choice20:26
* nareshov C-a-a-d's20:27
nareshovawen_: did not crash20:33
* nareshov is on hardy 20:34
* awen_ is on hardy too20:35
awen_nareshov: okay... thanks20:35
nixternalRiddell: postinst-has-useless-call-to-ldconfig  <- any idea on fixing this with kpovmodeler?20:41
Riddellshrug, it's not a big problem20:42
Riddellinfact, it might well be needed20:42
nixternalya it is, because it is going into /usr/lib/kde4/lib and not /usr/lib20:43
Riddellso its just lintian being silly20:46
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stdinoh, anyone on the k-m-kde4 mailing list may be getting a lot of emails today, so be warned :)21:00
Nightrosetoo late ;-)21:01
stdinyou're lucky, I get them twice :p21:01
stdinone from the list and one from the PPA buildd21:01
* Riddell hugs stdin 21:02
nixternalI just installed kde4 hardy and was very suprised with the ugly decoration !21:04
nixternalIs there a way of taking it away ?21:04
nixternalit looks like white ribbons ?21:04
nixternalI don't understand why kde4 is such horrible ?21:04
nixternalhahhaaha, from kubuntu-users list21:04
* stdin just saw that21:06
stdinpart of the reason I've stopped paying attention to the list21:06
daskreechnixternal: point him to kde-look.org21:07
daskreechassumption of him21:07
jpatrickdaskreech: 4.1 betas in debian now (I think)21:09
daskreechjpatrick: Beta of what?21:10
jpatricknixternal: heh, I just replied21:10
jpatrickdaskreech: kde 4.121:10
daskreechKDE 4.1 hasn't hit alpha yet21:10
daskreechApril fools :)21:10
daskreechit going alpha 4 days after Hardy ships21:11
jpatrickdaskreech: tell that to debian-devel-changes21:11
jpatricksnapshots then21:13
daskreechjpatrick: sweet :)21:15
apacheloggerstdin: nice flood :P21:15
daskreechis it one shot or will they be doing regular snapshots?21:15
stdinapachelogger: I can't help it if everything I upload fails and sends you an email informing you of my lameness :p21:17
jpatrickdaskreech: http://lists.alioth.debian.org/pipermail/pkg-kde-talk/2008-April/000872.html21:17
apacheloggerstdin: you could testbuild them on your local machine :P21:19
stdinapachelogger: I could, but then I'd probably still be building kde4libs21:19
apacheloggerstdin: well21:20
apacheloggerRiddell: you could make the packages available to stdin as soon as they are ready, right?21:20
apacheloggerthen he would have time to testbuild, also currently when some modules fail it always leads to dependency breakage which then again results in useless bug reports I have to triage :P21:21
stdinI was a few hours late picking them up today actually21:21
stdin1st upload was ~15:00UTC21:21
apacheloggeroh another thought21:22
apacheloggerstdin: don't they always break for the very same reasons?21:22
apachelogger4.0.x should be quite stable when talking about dependencies21:22
stdinit's adjusting the dependencies to gutsy's stagnant pool21:22
apacheloggeryeah, but the build-dependencies21:23
apacheloggerstdin: you could just create a list of things that need to be changed21:23
apacheloggerstore it in a bzr branch for kubuntu-members-kde421:24
apacheloggermight be quite useful in the future as well I guess21:24
stdinthere were a couple things I needed to change for 4.0.3 that were fine in 4.0.221:24
* stdin should probably write them down21:24
apacheloggerstdin: go for it21:33
awen_ScottK: i've been trying to look into bug 124856 ... the problem seems to be that getDevices() in mountconfig/MicroHal.py returns a Partition object (but what I can see, that is in no way possible); then again might be my limited knowledge of python that is the problem, if you can have a quick look at that function21:33
ubotuLaunchpad bug 124856 in kde-guidance ""Disk&Filesystems" module does not load after plugging in iPod" [Undecided,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/12485621:33
* yuriy needs to learn to refresh21:57
* Jucato presses yuriy's F5 button21:57
* jpatrick clears yuriy cache.21:59
* etretyak writing for yuriy $ pacman -Syu21:59
* etretyak ooops.. wrong channel.. writing for yuriy sudo apt-get upgrade; sudo apt-get update22:00
jpatricketretyak: traitor22:00
* etretyak nm.. i'm drunk.. :-)22:00
* Jucato emerge --unmerge jpatrick22:01
* jpatrick /kline Jucato 22:02
* etretyak whant ubuntu messenger bag22:03
Jucatojpatrick: as long as it's not /gline, I'll survive :)22:03
* etretyak me participated in LP logo contest22:03
etretyakis there any LP members? :) vote for my logo :)22:06
CheGuevarawhere's tit22:07
etretyakCheGuevara: https://help.launchpad.net/logo/submissions ;)22:10
Nightrosestdin: mails are getting less - build getting better as well? *g*22:32
stdinNightrose: getting there, yeah :)22:34
apacheloggerRiddell: btw, when did you get "dpkg-source: cannot represent change to ruby/qtruby/tools/rbrcc/main.o: binary file contents changed"?22:36
Riddellapachelogger: not sure now22:37
apacheloggerwell, I can't reproduce it debuild && debuild -S doesn't complain22:38
Riddellignore it then22:38
apacheloggerI'll upload the new version22:39
Riddellapachelogger: to where?22:39
ryanakcaRiddell: I'm guessing I can send the required stuff to the canonical people?22:42
apacheloggerRiddell: http://aplg.kollide.net/kubuntu/kdebindings/22:43
stdinhmm, kdemultimedia's broken22:43
Riddellryanakca: dunno, newzum contacted me earlier though22:43
ryanakcaRiddell: ok, well, elmo just told me to file an RT when I'm ready, so I guess I'll do that after supper :)22:43
apacheloggerstdin: omg what did you do?22:46
apacheloggeryou can't break mm :S22:46
stdinapachelogger: not me, it's broken in hardy too22:46
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apacheloggereven better22:47
apacheloggerstdin: well, no22:47
stdindo i mean kdemultimedia?22:47
apacheloggeron hardy it builds on i386 at least22:47
stdinhmm, something broke anyway22:47
apacheloggerstdin: well, the deps are wrong22:48
apacheloggerthere is no libxklavier1222:48
apacheloggeronly 1122:48
stdinahh, I meant kdesdk22:49
stdinthat's the one that wasn't broken by me22:49
apacheloggerI guess it doesn't build kstartperf at all22:51
apacheloggerquestion is why22:51
RiddellI added kstartperf for 4.0.322:52
Riddellbut it's missing something needed to build it22:52
apachelogger!info libltdl3-dev22:54
ubotuPackage libltdl3-dev does not exist in gutsy22:54
apacheloggergood to know22:54
apachelogger!info libltdl3-dev gutsy22:54
apachelogger!info libltdl3-dev hardy22:55
ubotuPackage libltdl3-dev does not exist in hardy22:55
apacheloggerI give up22:55
apacheloggerRiddell: please add libltdl3-dev as build-depends22:55
apacheloggerstdin: please remove it then again, and don't forget to remove the kstartperf files from .installs22:56
* apachelogger needs to get something to eat22:56
yuriyoo 4.0.323:00
apacheloggerstdin: actually, don't remove it, ubotu lied to me ;-)23:03
stdinapachelogger: I checked too, so I didn't :)23:03

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