[00:13] <Artimus> Riddell: Sorry about that, I was eating supper.
[00:16] <Riddell> Artimus: how's this one working?
[00:16] <Artimus> It's...  festive?
[00:16] <nosrednaekim> awesome :)
[00:16] <Artimus> Transparency doesn't work right with the panel
[00:17] <Artimus> ...
[00:17] <nosrednaekim> oh yeah... I forgot about that...
[00:17] <Artimus> You guys are going to upload this tomorrow, aren't you?
[00:17] <nosrednaekim> oh well, I think we can live w/ that.
[00:17] <Riddell> just now
[00:17] <nosrednaekim> Riddell: thanks so much :) I'm preparing the release notes!
[00:17] <Artimus> I hate April First.  First, no Slashdot.  And now a pink KDE4 :(
[00:17] <nosrednaekim> https://wiki.kubuntu.org/HippyHorse/Omega/Kubuntu
[00:18] <Artimus> So yes, the system tray icons have a black background, and the panel is black instead of partially transparent.
[00:18] <Artimus> Other than that, it seems to work
[00:18] <Riddell> Artimus: at least you can rely on dot.kde.org for serious journalism
[00:18] <Artimus> I added that new hardware widget to my desktop, it looked pretty good.
[00:18] <Artimus> Any other questions?
[00:19] <Artimus> -17 worked as intended (or close enough).  -16 never showed up
[00:19] <nosrednaekim> the window background and everything is pink, right?
[00:19] <Artimus> Let me double check...  I like the whole fast user switching thing
[00:20] <Artimus> Yup
[00:20] <Artimus> It's pink (with a purple center)
[00:20] <Artimus> The panel was the only issue, and that's close enough...
[00:20] <nosrednaekim> awesome.. awesome... Thanks for testing :)
[00:20] <Artimus> No problem...  Well, yes there is a problem (it's freaking pink), but I'm happy to test
[00:20] <nosrednaekim> haha...
[00:21] <Artimus> That wiki page needs to be fixed
[00:21] <Artimus> The first paragraph
[00:21] <nosrednaekim> mm?
[00:21] <Artimus> Any reference to OMeGa is messed up
[00:21] <Artimus> "MeGa" is the actual link and points to a dead page
[00:21] <Artimus> The O is plain test
[00:21] <Artimus> *text
[00:22] <nosrednaekim> yeah...I'll fix that...
[00:22] <nosrednaekim> though the OMG is the whole idea ;)
[00:22] <Artimus> OMeGa doesn't point to a valid page either
[00:22] <Riddell> needs a screenshot
[00:22] <Artimus> Should it?
[00:23] <nosrednaekim> yeah, i'm workin on that.
[00:23] <nosrednaekim> can't figure out the syntax for thumbnail though
[00:24] <Riddell> can just put http://kubuntu.org/~jriddell/tmp/foolsSS-wee.png in
[00:24] <Riddell> I've never worked out how to attach it and thumbnail it
[00:24] <Artimus> I didn't get that wallpaper
[00:24] <Artimus> My widgets looked right
[00:24] <Artimus> I didn't actually open a konsole, I didn't know it was supposed to turn pink
[00:25] <Riddell> no, the wallpaper doesn't work
[00:26] <nosrednaekim> Artimus: all windows should be pink...did you open any?
[00:26] <Artimus> No
[00:26] <Riddell> won't work with that .deb
[00:26] <Artimus> I thought it was only plasma things
[00:26] <Artimus> The wallpaper or just the colors?
[00:26] <Riddell> uploaded with widgets fixed
[00:27] <Artimus> -18?
[00:27] <Riddell> 17
[00:27] <Riddell> dot story published
[00:27] <Riddell> enough mischief for one night, time to sleep
[00:27] <nosrednaekim> Riddell: thanks... sleep well :)
[00:28] <Artimus> I'm really getting to like KDE4...  I've switched to KDE4's Konqueror and Kopete.  I need to file some bug reports for Dolphin.  It keeps crashing horribly.
[01:58] <jjesse> how are things going this evening?
[02:04] <jjesse> chirp chirp
[02:08] <nixternal> seele: pong?
[02:09] <nixternal> howdy jjesse
[02:09] <jjesse> howdy nixternal
[02:13] <Jucato> moin!
[02:13] <Jucato> :)
[02:13]  * Jucato missed nixternal
[02:13] <jjesse> evening Jucato
[02:13] <nixternal> umm, someone tell me that the dot article Riddell posted is a april fools joke
[02:14] <Jucato> sure think so :)
[02:14] <jjesse> that's great
[02:14] <nixternal> Aaron Seigo "and following a $10,000 donation from an anonymous North American source we realised the market should decide the best formats to use, not technical beurocrats."
[02:14] <nixternal> hahahaha, ya it is
[02:15] <nixternal> For some more MS interoperability it would be cool if KDE could support DirectX 11 in Plasma
[02:15] <nixternal> gahahahah, the comments rock
[02:27] <nixternal> 20:27:40 [  eddieftw] i love KDE politics sometimes
[02:28] <nixternal> gahahahahahha, people are falling for that dot story
[02:28] <nixternal> come on, they didn't get the subtle hints in it?
 "KDE gained a representative late last year through our legal body KDE e.V. realising that the only way to ensure a fair process was to be part of it." <--- heard that "reason" somewhere before... and it wasn't from an April Fool's joke :)
[02:28] <Jucato> that was my first clue :)
[02:28] <Jucato> er.. actually my 2nd clue :P
[02:28] <Jucato> (1st clue was that it's already April1 here :P)
[02:29] <Jucato> "KDE founder Stephan Coolio..." 3rd clue :)
[02:30] <nixternal> haha, and changing nappies
[02:30] <daskreech> Jucato: from the sorry-rms dept
[02:31] <nixternal> you can't rely on those
[02:31] <Jucato> daskreech: I never rely on those dept names and on the various titles given to aseigo
[02:31] <nixternal> the dept. tags are supposed to be jokes
[02:31] <Jucato> so I don't consider "KDE's Supreme Leader Aaron Seigo" as a clue :)
[02:33] <daskreech>  Yeah but sorry rms? :)
[02:34] <daskreech> Jucato: Esp if you didn't read the article :-)
[02:41] <daskreech> http://farm2.static.flickr.com/1196/747230218_ce3f728204.jpg?v=0
[02:41] <daskreech> That's graet
[02:42] <bdgraue_> where can i find the progress bar graphics in oxygen theme kde4?
[02:47] <nixternal> bdgraue_: well if they are anything like the scroll bars, then there are no graphics..it is all created from c++ code
[02:47] <bdgraue_> really?
[02:47] <bdgraue_> hmm, ok thx nixternal
[02:48] <nixternal> actually, it is in oyxgen.h and oxygen.cpp located in kdebase/runtime/kstyles/oxygen/
[02:49] <Jucato> KDE widget styles/engines are C++ code afaik
[02:49] <Jucato> no pixmaps
[02:50] <nixternal> ya, I am looking at it now...that is nuts
[02:51] <jjesse> wow that was close
[02:51] <Jucato> although I think someone was working on a pixmap/SVG-themeable widget style (Kokoon?) before... but the engine/style itself is still C++.
[02:51] <jjesse> laptop turned off and then wouldn't turn on internal disk couldn't be found
[02:51] <jjesse> time to backup everything
[02:51] <Jucato> ouch :(
[03:05] <jjesse> hrm wonder how long it will take to copy over a 60 gig drive
[03:05] <jjesse> hope my drive stays up while i copy it it
[03:32] <nixternal> man, getting this presentation tweaked is a pain
[03:38] <vorian> how long a presentation?
[03:38] <vorian> 45 min?
[03:38] <vorian> those are the worst imo
[03:50] <nixternal> 45min to 1 hour
[03:57] <nareshov> riddell :D
[03:58] <nareshov> http://dot.kde.org/1207000153/
[03:58] <nareshov> oh
[03:58] <nareshov> already discussed :D
[03:58] <daskreech> :-)
[05:31] <nixternal> http://www.nixternal.com/flourish2008.pdf <- let me know what you think about that type of layout? it is only in the beginning stages
[05:31] <nixternal> nothing beats LaTeX for creating presentations, or any type of professional document
[05:34] <nareshov> looking good
[05:40] <nixternal> man, jdong has the #1 April Fools joke yet
[05:40] <nixternal> https://lists.ubuntu.com/archives/ubuntu-motu/2008-April/003510.html
[06:07] <yuriy> yay unicorn
[06:07] <yuriy> though i didn't get any of the plasma stuff, just kdm
[06:07] <yuriy> also yay gmail custom time
[06:18] <daskreech> huh?
[06:19] <daskreech> custom time?
[06:20] <yuriy> http://mail.google.com/mail/help/customtime/index.html
[06:22] <Serega> keyboard autodetection rocks! :)
[06:23] <Serega> *keyboard layout
[09:45] <Serega> kwwii: hi
[09:45] <kwwii> Serega: hi
[09:47] <Serega> I want to make a cool kubuntu t-shirt. could you please give me the sources (svg if possible) of our pretty kdm theme? :)
[09:50] <kwwii> http://sinecera.de/feisty_kdm2_dark2bg.svg was the last one I made...I think someone else worked on it for hardy
[09:51] <Serega> kwwii: yep... broken link
[09:51] <Serega> 404
[09:53] <kwwii>  http://sinecera.de/feisty_kdm2_dark2b.svg
[09:53] <kwwii> sorry
[09:55] <Serega> kwwii: ah... np, thank you! :)
[10:45] <Tonio_> hi there
[10:45]  * Jucato hides and waves from a corner
[10:45] <Riddell> resault
[10:50] <Riddell> Tonio_: how do you like the new artwork?
[10:53] <wotan> hi
[10:53] <Riddell> morning
[10:53] <wotan> anybody gets a memory leak with this pdf?
[10:53] <wotan> http://www.iac.es/becasinstru/solicitud.pdf
[10:53] <wotan> with kpdf in kubuntu hardy
[10:54] <Riddell> crash
[10:54] <Tonio_> Riddell: I didn't saw it yet, gimme a second :)
[10:54] <wotan> in my computer it eats all my memory
[10:55] <Tonio_> Riddell: ^_^
[10:55] <Tonio_> Riddell: just perfect for an april 1st :)
[10:57] <Riddell> april 1st?  this is out hardy artwork!
[11:12] <jussio1> ok,  who was it that put the unicorn on my login screen?
[11:16] <Nightrose> jussio1: don't you love it?
[11:16] <Nightrose> everyone loves it!
[11:37] <_StefanS_> Tonio_: hey, the dialog works, but I have some resizing issues of the controls inside of it
[11:49] <Tonio_> _StefanS_: ah...
[11:53] <_StefanS_> Tonio_: i'll see what i can do
[11:53] <Tonio_> _StefanS_: well first get the features to work, polishing can be done later
[11:55] <_StefanS_> Tonio_: trouble is that only the ok,cancel, apply button and the caption text from the frame is visible.. the fields are not :)
[11:55] <_StefanS_> Tonio_: has something to do with me using a predefined layout from kdialogbase I think
[11:55] <_StefanS_> Tonio_: so the layout f*cks up because I dont have a Hbox or something at the right place
[11:56] <_StefanS_> Tonio_: I might code the dialog inline instead, not sure
[12:00] <Tonio_> _StefanS_: ouch...
[12:00] <_StefanS_> Tonio_: you could me by getting out the code from kwlan for the start/stop network and modifying /etc/network/interfaces
[12:00] <Riddell> stdin: go go on 4.0.3
[12:00] <Tonio_> _StefanS_: I'll try , promissed
[12:00] <_StefanS_> Tonio_: cool
[12:00] <Tonio_> Riddell: have you tried pardus ?
[12:01] <Tonio_> Riddell: I tested it yesterday and they really have excellent configuration frontend, like our guidance
[12:01] <Riddell> stdin: no packaging changes, so should just need the same ones you usually do (libgif-> libungif)
[12:01] <Riddell> Tonio_: I have not
[12:01] <Tonio_> Riddell: but their tools are, I must say, much better, and well maintained
[12:01] <Tonio_> Riddell: they are based on a backend (comar) with a series of kcm modules (tasma)
[12:02] <Tonio_> Riddell: they have all that we have, but also a very nice network manager a grub frontend and so on
[12:02] <Tonio_> Riddell: since those are maintained, I was thinking about contacting them to get their plans for kde4
[12:02] <Tonio_> Riddell: we could work with them on their tools instead of porting guidance, no ?
[12:03] <Riddell> if they're developed in an open way and they're designed to be cross distro and they can be part of KDE
[12:03] <_StefanS_> what is pardus based on ?
[12:03] <Riddell> nothing
[12:04] <_StefanS_> linux from scratch :)
[12:04] <Tonio_> Riddell: http://www.pardus.org.tr/eng/projects/index.html
[12:04] <Tonio_> Riddell: not everything is usefull, but some of their tools would be really interesting
[12:04] <Tonio_> Riddell: we could discuss this during the UDS
[12:04] <Tonio_> Riddell: I was thinking about their network manager, their user manager, their firewall etc....
[12:05] <Tonio_> Riddell: it is open source, and developped to be cross plateform
[12:05] <Tonio_> Riddell: I tried but couldn't get them to work on kubuntu, due to python errors, but a friend of mine knows pardus devs, so maybe I can get help to get them to work
[12:06] <Tonio_> here is the network-manager : http://www.pardus.org.tr/eng/projects/network-manager/index.html
[12:07] <Tonio_> of course too late for hardy, but for hardy + 1, that would be nice :)
[12:09] <Tonio_> Riddell: if they are interested in working with us, would you agree to have a discussion during the uds ?
[12:09] <_StefanS_> Tonio_: I think its a good idea, if there's some good advantages over guidance
[12:09] <Tonio_> _StefanS_: well, it is like guidance, but with backend + frontend structure, policikit integration, and more modules than we have
[12:10] <Tonio_> _StefanS_: and......... maintained activelly :)
[12:10] <Tonio_> _StefanS_: I only see advantages over guidance :)
[12:10] <Tonio_> Riddell: tango is back........
[12:11] <Tonio_> Riddell: did I forget to commit kds to bzr ?
[12:11] <Riddell> Tonio_: today's k-d-s isn't in bzr
[12:11] <Tonio_> Riddell: ah oki....
[12:12] <Tonio_> Riddell: well next commit should fix then :)
[12:14] <Riddell> "12:10 < Haskear> I just updated Ubuntu and theres a gay looking unicorn wallpaper at logon :o whats the deal?"  some people deserve to look stupid
[12:15] <smarter> yay, unicorn FTW
[12:16] <Tonio_> Riddell: I just fixed k-d-s makefile for oxygen theme, there was still tango entries in it
[12:16] <apachelogger> Riddell: I hope so, at least I provided him with the necessary informations to get it fixed :)
[12:16] <Tonio_> Riddell: I'll commit tomorrow
[12:17] <Riddell> Tonio_: commit away, just wait on the upload
[12:17] <Tonio_> Riddell: done ;)
[12:17] <Tonio_> Riddell: does pardus diserve interest for the UDS or not ? so that I can submit the idea ;)
[12:18] <Riddell> Tonio_: yes, it's worth looking at
[12:18] <Tonio_> oki ;)
[12:19] <Tonio_> Riddell: to be honnest, although I really respect the work that was done on it, guidance is a bit limited compared to what mandriva, opensuse or redhat have....
[12:20] <Tonio_> Riddell: but those tools are not really portable, that's why I'm interested in pardus, since their tools are as polished as the other distro's, but with a portable plateform
[12:20] <Tonio_> and I'm tired seeing the distros reinventing the wheel :)
[12:21] <smarter> Is guidance still actively maintained?
[12:21] <smarter> Last update of the homepage is one year old
[12:22] <apachelogger> woah
[12:22]  * apachelogger hugs smarter
[12:22] <apachelogger> I should upload my changes to the kubuntu-de site
[12:23] <smarter> mmh?
[12:23] <awen_> smarter: not really... the "active maintenance" is a large collection of kubuntu-patches atm.
[12:32] <awen_> smarter: all the patches might be thrown into the guidance-svn after the hardy release, i think that's it ... but ScottK might know better/more than me
[13:13] <neversfelde> will this lovely unicorn be the default wallpaper in hardy?^^
[13:13] <nosrednaekim> muhahaha
[13:20] <Jucato> I hope it's packaged as an alternative :)
[13:21] <nosrednaekim> nope..... it goes right in :)
[13:21] <Jucato> :P
[13:27] <Hobbsee> where is it?
[13:27] <nosrednaekim> just update your hardy
[13:28]  * Jucato "extracted" the jpeg to save it for posterity's sake :)
[13:29] <jpatrick> Hobbsee: see? pink.
[13:30] <nosrednaekim> for some reason the colo scheme doesn't come across :(
[13:30] <Hobbsee> jpatrick: screenshot?
[13:30]  * Hobbsee isn't running kde...
[13:31] <jpatrick> Hobbsee: sudo apt-get install kubuntu-desktop
[13:31] <jjesse> man i still am laughing at the article Riddell posted on the dot
[13:31] <Jucato> https://wiki.kubuntu.org/HippyHorse/Omega/Kubuntu
[13:31] <jpatrick> -kde4*
[13:31] <jjesse> kubuntu-kde4-desktop
[13:32] <jpatrick> Jucato: hahahaha
[13:34] <Hobbsee> rofl!  http://kubuntu.org/~jriddell/tmp/foolsSS-wee.png ?
[13:34] <nosrednaekim> ya
[13:35] <jpatrick> Hobbsee: remove the -wee
[13:36] <Hobbsee> mmm, tasty
[13:37] <nosrednaekim> jpatrick: heh..go over to #ubuntu+1 .... pretty hilarious over there...
[13:37] <jpatrick> nosrednaekim: I just did
[13:37] <nosrednaekim> well... its quite now <_<
[13:37] <nosrednaekim> *quiet
[14:15]  * Nightrose highfives txwikinger -> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UbuntuBugDay/20080401/KDE
[14:15] <Nightrose> \o/
[14:16]  * txwikinger hifives Nightrose back
[14:16] <Nightrose> ;-)
[14:17] <apachelogger> oh
[14:17] <apachelogger> yuriy: btw, would it be possible to announce hugs day a bit earlier
[14:47] <seele> apachelogger: he did a few days ago
[14:50] <apachelogger> seele: I only got a mail todayish
[15:09] <Riddelll> oh arse, I uploaded kdebindings
[15:12] <Jucato> part of April Fools? :)
[15:14] <jjesse> so from the wiki i'm a bit confused has all the bugs been triaged/dealt with that are on the list for today?
[15:20] <Nightrose> jjesse: yes
[15:20] <Nightrose> however there are more out there waiting for you ;-)
[15:20] <jjesse> ah then nothing to do :)
[15:55] <Riddelll> jjesse: kiosktool doesn't work with KDE 4
[15:55] <jjesse> Riddell: dang it ok i will drop that section
[15:55] <Riddelll> jjesse: well
[15:55] <Riddelll> jjesse: it mostly describes editing files directory which should work
[15:56] <jjesse> unless there is a better way of dealing with things?
[15:56] <jjesse> ok  i can tweak it
[15:56] <Riddelll> jjesse: just not the kiosktool GUI app
[15:57] <jjesse> Riddell: ok thanks
[15:57] <Riddelll> jjesse: PDF viewer is Okular not KPDF
[15:57] <jjesse> interesting i can't open a usb drive formated in ntfs in 8.04 i was able to in 7.10
[15:57] <jjesse> Riddell: making notes of things to change
[15:57] <Riddelll> jjesse: "Finding Help" KHelpCenter doesn't seem to work
[15:58] <Riddelll> in KDE 4
[15:58] <jjesse> ok
[15:59] <jjesse> it opesn for me... do not have manuals loaded or are there not?
[16:01] <Riddelll> exactly, quite a notable bug
[16:01] <jjesse> ok, so i have to remove the khelpcenter and reference gettign help on #kubuntu
[16:01] <jjesse> or is it #kubuntu-kde4?
[16:03] <Riddelll> hmm, dunno
[16:03] <Riddelll> just #kubuntu probably fine
[16:05] <jjesse> ok thanks have some minor tweaks then.... will change and upload later
[16:06] <jjesse> arlight other question:  anyone have any problems w/ USB drives formated in NTFS and mounting them?
[16:07] <smarter> what sort of problems?
[16:08] <jjesse> "An error occurerd while accessing 'Volume (ntfs)', the system said: org.freedesktop.Hal.Device.Volume.UnknownFailure: TODO: have to rething extra options"
[16:09] <jjesse> that's "rethink"
[16:09] <smarter> maybe the last revision of http://websvn.kde.org/branches/KDE/3.5/kdebase/kioslave/media/mediamanager/halbackend.cpp?view=log solve this
[16:09] <smarter> "- In case of ntfs external devices, hal can have the option for locale at mount"
[16:10] <jjesse> this is under kde4
[16:33] <yuriy> apachelogger: i try, but i'm trying to go along with the ubuntu ones and bdmurray and pedro usually don't warn me. but generally if you get mail from them you can expect a similar one from me
[16:34] <apachelogger> yuriy: do we have to go with ubuntu hug days?
[16:34] <apachelogger> we could do kubuntu hugs some days after the ones for ubuntu
[16:35] <yuriy> we could
[16:35] <yuriy> my original idea was when they're doing some gnome application we do the corresponding kde application, but there's really no particular reason to do it that way
[16:36] <yuriy> except for things like networkmanager and powermanager where bugs may be duplicate in the backends
[16:36] <yuriy> in which case i think it's potentially helpful
[16:38] <txwikinger> well.. the last day was pretty much ignored by a lot of people and you had warned a couple of days before yuriy
[16:38] <nosrednaekim> Riddell: ouch... apparently that package affected some users plasma themes...
[16:39] <Riddell> nosrednaekim: oh?
[16:39] <apachelogger> nosrednaekim: ?
[16:40] <nosrednaekim> http://kubuntuforums.net/forums/index.php?topic=3092837.0;topicseen
[16:40] <apachelogger> Riddell: btw, kdebindings is pretty much finished
[16:40] <apachelogger> but
[16:40] <apachelogger> lovely news... there will be independen releases of qtruby and kderuby
[16:41] <Riddell> oh, grr
[16:41] <Riddell> apachelogger: do you know why?
[16:41] <apachelogger> now, I'll ask some more
[16:42] <apachelogger> maybe they are just cutdown tarballs from kdebindings
[16:42] <yuriy> txwikinger: yeah... thanks for helping out though
[16:42] <apachelogger> s/now/no
[16:42] <txwikinger> yuriy: No problem :)
[16:49] <apachelogger> Riddell: why would we package non-kdebindings releases anyway?
[16:49] <Riddell> apachelogger: if they were more up to date, as seems to have happened with pykde
[16:53] <apachelogger> Riddell: more people use qtruby than korundum, so rdale wants to do seperate releases for it, I suggested to just create the tarball based upon whatever is the latest kdebindings tarball
[16:54]  * apachelogger doesn't really get why pykde and qtruby are in kdebindings if they follow their own release cycle anyway
[16:59]  * txwikinger wonders what happened to his KDE3 stuff
[17:00] <jpatrick> txwikinger: new theme for hardy
[17:00] <txwikinger> jpatrick: No on gutsy
[17:00] <Riddell> apachelogger: as far as I know qtruby is just developed in kde svn, so it would be a tar of what's in kdebindings
[17:00] <txwikinger> I get endless blocking when konq loads webpages
[17:01] <Riddell> apachelogger: pykde guy likes to work his own way, and Sime keeps trying to have development opened up so Sime copies it to kdebindings
[17:07] <apachelogger> Riddell: maybe we should move Amarok to kdemm then -.-
[17:22] <apachelogger> Riddell: please take a look at http://aplg.kollide.net/kubuntu/kdebindings/
[17:30] <nixternal> HELP!!!
[17:30] <nixternal> I can't get rid of this damn fluffy bunny theme :P
[17:30]  * nixternal liked the joke until it was played on me :D
[17:33]  * apachelogger changes one of nixternal's bug's status in tha most shameless way
[17:35]  * milian is away: Zur Zeit nicht da.
[17:35]  * Tm_T slaps milian 
[17:36] <apachelogger> milian: public away messages sind phöööööse!
[17:36] <Nightrose> *lol* Tm_T - I just did the same in another channel ;-)
[17:36] <Tm_T> good
[17:37] <apachelogger> poor milian :(
[17:37]  * apachelogger hugs milian
[17:39] <nixternal> umm, why did you set fluffy bunny as slim-glow?
[17:40] <apachelogger> nixternal: ?
[17:40] <Riddell> easiest thing to do
[17:40] <apachelogger> lol
[17:40] <nixternal> change it back quick!!!!
[17:40] <nixternal> hahahahahaha
[17:41] <nixternal> it is so.....omg....
[17:41] <nareshov> where? where?
[17:41] <nixternal> this theme makes me feel like Paris Hilton
[17:41] <nixternal> it's hot
[17:42] <nixternal> WOOT!!!
[17:43] <nixternal> anyone that has Fox News
[17:43] <nixternal> turn it on..they are going to talk about the Macbook Air, the Vista machine, and the Ubuntu machine
[17:43]  * apachelogger only has KDE News
[17:43] <nixternal> hacking thingy
[17:43] <apachelogger> nixternal: record it
[17:43] <nixternal> come on, my tv is in the 1980s
[17:44] <nixternal> it will more than likely end up on YouTube anyways
[17:44] <Riddell> no DVB?  no public service organisation other people pay for to record it for you?
[17:44]  * apachelogger doesn't even have a TV
[17:44] <apachelogger> apparently fox is also in the 80s since they have no web stream
[17:45] <ForsakenSoul> can someone tell me what's stable in the hardy beta and steel needs more experimenting
[17:48] <nixternal> omg, Fox News just lied
[17:48] <nixternal> the said..."To be fair, the Vista and Linux products failed too"
[17:48] <nixternal> I didn't hear that the Ubuntu laptop got hacked
[17:49] <Riddell> apachelogger: "dpkg-source: cannot represent change to ruby/qtruby/tools/rbrcc/main.o: binary file contents changed"
[17:50] <Riddell> rm makes a good workaround
[17:53]  * apachelogger opens gedit
[18:04] <txwikinger> nixternal: I missed that one
[18:06]  * txwikinger goes back with rewind
[18:08] <txwikinger> nixternal: Wasn't Fox News... was PC Magazine guy
[18:09]  * txwikinger wasn't aware that safari browser is part of ubuntu
[18:11] <jjesse> hrmm can't find okular is that because i'm not spelling it right?
[18:11] <nixternal> txwikinger: ya
[18:11] <apachelogger> jjesse: did you install it?
[18:11] <nixternal> okular is correct jjesse
[18:11] <jjesse> shouldn't it install by default in hardy kde4?
[18:11] <nixternal> I really want this fluffy bunny gone
[18:11] <nixternal> Riddell: when are we uploading 4.0.3?
[18:12] <apachelogger> Riddell: btw, did you add the necessary KDE 3 apps to the KDE 4 seed yet?
[18:12] <apachelogger> nixternal: edit the plasmarc
[18:12] <nixternal> apachelogger: they overwrote slim-glow with fluffy bunny :p
[18:13] <smarter> nixternal: 4.0.3 is already uploaded (:
[18:15] <apachelogger> nixternal: yeah, you can switch to KDE 4 default until slim-glow is back :P
[18:16] <nixternal> I overwrote it with my slim-glow :)
[18:16] <nixternal> damn, I didn't even realize 4.0.3 was uploaded...time to hit the extragear uploads then
[18:17] <jjesse> ok silly question.... hardy remix should use okular for pdfs correct?
[18:17] <apachelogger> extra-gear
[18:17] <apachelogger> that name is a pure strangeness
[18:17] <jjesse> not finding it installed
[18:17] <apachelogger> Riddell: please also add okular to the seed :)
[18:17] <apachelogger> though
[18:18] <apachelogger> shouldn't okular be part of kubuntu-kde4-desktop?
[18:18] <apachelogger> hm
[18:18] <apachelogger> it isn't
[18:19] <jjesse> i thought it should
[18:20] <apachelogger> Riddell: why is kde4-meta not in some bzr? + please add okular to k-k4-d
[18:25] <yuriy> holy crap
[18:25]  * yuriy hugs txwikinger and Nightrose 
[18:25] <Nightrose> ;-)
[18:25]  * txwikinger hugs yuriy back
[18:25]  * Nightrose hugs yuriy back
[18:25] <jjesse> why the holy crap?
[18:25] <Nightrose> damn you txwikinger
[18:26] <Nightrose> :P
[18:26] <Nightrose> stealing my lines
[18:26] <yuriy> jjesse: first time i refreshed the hug day page today and it's already done
[18:26] <apachelogger> technically saied
[18:26] <txwikinger> Nightrose: I have that line copyrighted
[18:26] <apachelogger> Nightrose stole txwikinger's line
[18:26] <Nightrose> oO
[18:26] <jjesse> yay
[18:26] <Nightrose> meh :p
[18:26] <jjesse> that means  no more work
[18:28]  * Nightrose foods and watches an episode of nip/tuck
[18:34] <smarter> just switched virtual desktop and saw the unicorn wallpaper for "real", shocking :P
[18:35] <apachelogger> Nightrose: btw, did I already show you my funky nu wallpaper?
[18:35] <Nightrose> apachelogger: nope show me show me ;-)
[18:36] <apachelogger> Nightrose: http://aplg.kollide.net/images/gnome/Screenshot-5.png
[18:37] <Nightrose> ahh /me likes
[18:39] <ForzaPalermo> anyone know how to get system-config-samba working in hardy heron?
[18:40] <smarter> isn't that a fedora config tool?
[18:40] <ForzaPalermo> no its in the repos
[18:40] <ForzaPalermo> worked fine for me in gutsy
[18:41] <ForzaPalermo> it just crashes all the time, form what i know its a known bug
[18:41] <ForzaPalermo> i just want to know if there is a fix, or a workaround
[18:42] <apachelogger> uh
[18:42] <apachelogger> that's not a KDE/Qt app, is it?
[18:43] <apachelogger> plus this is not much of a support channel anyway, ForzaPalermo, you might be better off asking in #ubuntu I guess
[18:43] <ForzaPalermo> i went there already :(
[18:43] <ForzaPalermo> and no it snot
[18:43] <ForzaPalermo> its for gnome i guess
[18:43] <apachelogger> ForzaPalermo: I guess it is the crash reported in bug #185543
[18:43] <ubotu> Launchpad bug 185543 in system-config-samba "system-config-samba.py crashed with SystemError in __init__()" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/185543
[18:44] <txwikinger> First I did manage to test KDE in Spanish, now it doesn't want to go back to English :)
[18:44] <ForzaPalermo> yes and i tried their fix
[18:44] <ForzaPalermo> no go
[18:44] <txwikinger> did not^^
[18:46]  * apachelogger waves
[18:49] <Riddell> soo, no stdin yet
[18:50] <Riddell> anyone else want to put 4.0.3 into the PPA?
[18:50] <stdin> Riddell: just because I don't speak doesn't mean I don't lurk ;)
[18:50] <nixternal> hahaha
[18:51] <Riddell> ah, stdin
[18:51] <Riddell> my appologies
[18:51] <stdin> PPAs are quite backed-up though, and one i386 buildd is down :(
[18:55] <Nightrose> anyone here with konversation in kde 3.5.9 to confirm a bug for me?
[18:55] <Yuuki> yup
[18:55] <Nightrose> https://bugs.edge.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/konversation/+bug/209368
[18:55] <ubotu> Launchpad bug 209368 in konversation "[hardy] OSD doesn't work in Konversation anymore" [Undecided,Incomplete]
[18:55] <Nightrose> it works just fine in kde 4
[18:58] <Nightrose> Yuuki: ?
[19:01] <Riddell> apachelogger: dpkg-deb: parse error, in file `debian/libkorundum4-ruby1.8-examples/DEBIAN/control' near line 7 package `libkorundum4-ruby1.8-examples': `Depends' field, reference to `libkorundum4-ruby1.8': version contains ` '
[19:02] <apachelogger> Riddell: yeah, trying to fix that right now, but  I have no clue why this is happening, probably because of shlibs:Depends
[19:04] <Riddell> apachelogger: => should be >=
[19:04] <Riddell> and ${source:Version}  I think should be  ${Source-Version}
[19:04] <apachelogger> Riddell: didn't work either from my trial
[19:05] <apachelogger> hm
[19:05] <apachelogger> source-version sounds resonable
[19:05] <Yuuki> ya Nightrose sorry, can't confirm it. didnt see the kde3.5.9 part
[19:05] <Nightrose> Yuuki: ok
[19:06] <Nightrose> anyone else with kde 3.5.9 on hardy?
[19:08] <nixternal> hrmm, kgraphviewer's 4.0.3 release is broken
[19:13] <apachelogger> hooray
[19:13] <Riddell> nixternal: poke toma
[19:15] <nixternal> pokin' him already, plus sent and email to packagers
[19:15] <nixternal>   QPainterPath path;
[19:15] <nixternal>   path.addRegion(boundingRegion(QTransform()));
[19:15] <nixternal> that is where the issue lies
[19:15] <nixternal> that boundingRegion
[19:30] <awen_> Nightrose: pop-ups in konversation works fine for me (kde 3.5.9)
[19:30] <Nightrose> awen_: this is about OSD (the blue thing that pops up)
[19:30] <Nightrose> not the gray notification popups
[19:30] <Nightrose> does that work for you as well?
[19:31] <awen_> Nightrose: in which cases should it show?
[19:31] <Nightrose> on hilight if activated
[19:31] <Nightrose> awen_: go to settings -> on screen display to check
[19:32] <awen_> Nightrose: just found it...
[19:32] <awen_> Nightrose: nope, nothing happens... broken
[19:32] <Nightrose> ok thx awen_
[19:32] <awen_> Nightrose: np
[19:33] <Nightrose> seems tonios fix for kde 4 broke kde 3 :(
[19:33]  * Nightrose will update the bugreport
[19:35] <awen_> Nightrose: yeah... that's the risky part about having to use all those kde3 apps on kde4
[19:35] <Nightrose> hmmm
[19:43] <apachelogger> Nightrose: what did he fix?
[19:43] <Nightrose> apachelogger: the "no osd in kde 4" problem
[19:43] <apachelogger> oh
[19:43] <apachelogger> eh
[19:43] <Nightrose> because of the screensaver check
[19:44] <Nightrose> I send him an email
[19:44] <apachelogger> didn't he just apply the upstream change?
[19:44] <apachelogger> IIRC dfaure just removed the whole part where konvi checks for kscreensaver
[19:44] <Nightrose> no idea
[19:45] <Serega> muhahaha, great unicorn! :)
[19:45] <Nightrose> ;-)
[19:45] <Serega> nice joke :))
[19:45] <Nightrose> sweet isn't it?
[19:45]  * milian_ is back.
[19:45] <Serega> groovy!))
[19:45]  * Nightrose slaps milian again :P
[19:45] <Nightrose> milian_:  too
[19:45] <apachelogger> Nightrose: http://websvn.kde.org/?view=rev&revision=764087 http://websvn.kde.org/?view=rev&revision=765412
[19:45] <apachelogger> pfft
[19:45] <apachelogger> bah
[19:45] <apachelogger> sure
[19:46] <apachelogger> my schweetheart doesn't need to know anything -.-
[19:46] <Nightrose> apachelogger: I know that commit - I just don't know what tonio changed
[19:46] <apachelogger> go ahead like this and I will be seriously pissed
[19:46]  * apachelogger gives milian an old xmas cookie
[19:46] <nixternal> Riddell: kgraphviewer is qt4.4 now :/
[19:46] <apachelogger> Nightrose: just tell him to use these to 2 changes
[19:46] <apachelogger> and nothing else
[19:46] <apachelogger> as in
[19:46] <apachelogger> nothing
[19:46] <nixternal> only changes besides some code to adapt to qt4.4 was...well nothing
[19:47]  * Nightrose cuddles apachelogger
[19:47] <Nightrose> ;-)
[19:47] <milian> sorry Nightrose - wlan is causing netsplit havoc
[19:47] <apachelogger> Nightrose: make sure to tell him - nothing
[19:47] <Nightrose> milian: netsplit doesn't puplicly announce your away message - does it?
[19:47] <Riddell> nixternal: just don't update the package then
[19:48] <Nightrose> apachelogger: I already send the mail to tonio - want me to send another one? ,-)
[19:48] <milian> hum? no, i just did /away and /back ... no go in IRC? wont do it then
[19:48] <apachelogger> Nightrose: with certain kinds of sun winds it does
[19:48] <apachelogger> oh and the moon as to be in the right angle as well
[19:48] <apachelogger> Nightrose: plz
[19:48] <apachelogger> milian: the problem is not the marking of away and back
[19:48] <apachelogger> the problem is the messages your irc client associated with them
[19:48] <apachelogger> [20:45:20] -*- milian_ is back.
[19:48] <Nightrose> apachelogger: ok will do
[19:49] <milian> apachelogger: I'll have a look at konversations configuration then ;-)
[19:49] <Nightrose> milian: in the settings of your identity for the server
[19:49] <Nightrose> you can change it there
[19:50] <Nightrose> go to file -> server list -> edit a server -> ...
[19:50] <milian> yep Nightrose - found it, thank you
[19:50] <Nightrose> no prob ;-)
[19:51]  * Nightrose hugs milian 
[19:51] <apachelogger> there
[19:51] <apachelogger> first she almost beats him to death
[19:51] <apachelogger> and now she hugs him
[19:51] <apachelogger> Nightrose: that is so schizophrenic IMHO
[19:51] <Nightrose> isn't that what I always do apachelogger?
[19:52] <apachelogger> hold on
[19:52] <apachelogger> don't I do that as well?
[19:52] <apachelogger> -.-
[19:53] <Nightrose> :p
[19:53] <awen_> apachelogger: bug 208528 ... i think your last change to amarok might have broken something?
[19:53] <ubotu> Launchpad bug 208528 in amarok "Amarok just crashed without user interaction" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/208528
[19:53] <apachelogger> sure
[19:53] <nixternal> man, kpovmodeler is a tank of an app
[19:53] <apachelogger> blame the motu
[19:53] <nixternal> hahahaha
[19:56] <Nightrose> apachelogger__: hmm he might not have used the second commit...
[19:56] <Nightrose> anyway
[19:56] <Nightrose> sent the mail
[19:57] <apachelogger__> for some unknown reason I lost the connection to quassel
[19:57] <apachelogger__> version strange
[19:57] <apachelogger__> *very even
[20:02] <jjesse> i think apachelogger has become yoda
[20:04] <apachelogger__> jjesse: what makes you think that?
[20:05] <jjesse> apachelogger__: the last couple of comments from you seemed very disjointed and yoda-like
[20:06] <apachelogger__> well, maybe I really became yoda-like
[20:16] <jpatrick> Riddell: https://lists.ubuntu.com/archives/kubuntu-users/2008-March/026500.html
[20:18]  * smarter just fixed his F12 key
[20:18] <smarter> woohoo.
[20:18] <jpatrick> smarter: I told you not to try to take it off with a screwdriver
[20:20] <Riddell> jpatrick: that's intentional
[20:24]  * nixternal wishes there was better documentation for lintian
[20:24] <awen_> anybody has an mp3 player and is on kde3 that can test if bug 210418 happens for you?
[20:25] <nareshov> #210418
[20:25] <ubotu> Launchpad bug 210418 in amarok "[hardy] amarok crashes when mp3 player controlled by amarok is plugged in and automounted" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/210418
[20:25] <nareshov> awen_: give me a moment to log out and log in
[20:26] <awen_> nareshov: thanks
[20:26] <nareshov> how do I do step 1. ?
[20:26] <nareshov> 1. Be sure that the mp3-player is set to be handled by amarok (as generic audio player)
[20:26] <awen_> nareshov: plug it in... go to settings > media players > autodetect ... make your choice
[20:26] <nareshov> k
[20:27]  * nareshov C-a-a-d's
[20:33] <nareshov> awen_: did not crash
[20:34]  * nareshov is on hardy 
[20:35]  * awen_ is on hardy too
[20:35] <awen_> nareshov: okay... thanks
[20:36] <nareshov> yw
[20:41] <nixternal> Riddell: postinst-has-useless-call-to-ldconfig  <- any idea on fixing this with kpovmodeler?
[20:42] <Riddell> shrug, it's not a big problem
[20:42] <Riddell> infact, it might well be needed
[20:43] <nixternal> ya it is, because it is going into /usr/lib/kde4/lib and not /usr/lib
[20:46] <Riddell> so its just lintian being silly
[21:00] <stdin> oh, anyone on the k-m-kde4 mailing list may be getting a lot of emails today, so be warned :)
[21:01] <Nightrose> too late ;-)
[21:01] <stdin> you're lucky, I get them twice :p
[21:01] <Nightrose> hehe
[21:01] <stdin> one from the list and one from the PPA buildd
[21:01] <Nightrose> yea
[21:02]  * Riddell hugs stdin 
[21:04] <nixternal> I just installed kde4 hardy and was very suprised with the ugly decoration !
[21:04] <nixternal> Is there a way of taking it away ?
[21:04] <nixternal> it looks like white ribbons ?
[21:04] <nixternal> I don't understand why kde4 is such horrible ?
[21:04] <nixternal> hahhaaha, from kubuntu-users list
[21:06]  * stdin just saw that
[21:06] <stdin> part of the reason I've stopped paying attention to the list
[21:07] <daskreech> nixternal: point him to kde-look.org
[21:07] <daskreech> assumption of him
[21:09] <jpatrick> daskreech: 4.1 betas in debian now (I think)
[21:10] <daskreech> jpatrick: Beta of what?
[21:10] <jpatrick> nixternal: heh, I just replied
[21:10] <jpatrick> daskreech: kde 4.1
[21:10] <daskreech> KDE 4.1 hasn't hit alpha yet
[21:10] <daskreech> April fools :)
[21:11] <daskreech> it going alpha 4 days after Hardy ships
[21:11] <jpatrick> daskreech: tell that to debian-devel-changes
[21:13] <jpatrick> snapshots then
[21:15] <daskreech> jpatrick: sweet :)
[21:15] <apachelogger> stdin: nice flood :P
[21:15] <daskreech> is it one shot or will they be doing regular snapshots?
[21:17] <stdin> apachelogger: I can't help it if everything I upload fails and sends you an email informing you of my lameness :p
[21:17] <jpatrick> daskreech: http://lists.alioth.debian.org/pipermail/pkg-kde-talk/2008-April/000872.html
[21:19] <apachelogger> stdin: you could testbuild them on your local machine :P
[21:19] <stdin> apachelogger: I could, but then I'd probably still be building kde4libs
[21:20] <apachelogger> stdin: well
[21:20] <apachelogger> Riddell: you could make the packages available to stdin as soon as they are ready, right?
[21:21] <apachelogger> then he would have time to testbuild, also currently when some modules fail it always leads to dependency breakage which then again results in useless bug reports I have to triage :P
[21:21] <stdin> I was a few hours late picking them up today actually
[21:21] <stdin> 1st upload was ~15:00UTC
[21:22] <apachelogger> oh another thought
[21:22] <apachelogger> stdin: don't they always break for the very same reasons?
[21:22] <apachelogger> 4.0.x should be quite stable when talking about dependencies
[21:22] <stdin> it's adjusting the dependencies to gutsy's stagnant pool
[21:23] <apachelogger> yeah, but the build-dependencies
[21:23] <apachelogger> stdin: you could just create a list of things that need to be changed
[21:24] <apachelogger> store it in a bzr branch for kubuntu-members-kde4
[21:24] <apachelogger> might be quite useful in the future as well I guess
[21:24] <stdin> there were a couple things I needed to change for 4.0.3 that were fine in 4.0.2
[21:24]  * stdin should probably write them down
[21:33] <apachelogger> stdin: go for it
[21:33] <awen_> ScottK: i've been trying to look into bug 124856 ... the problem seems to be that getDevices() in mountconfig/MicroHal.py returns a Partition object (but what I can see, that is in no way possible); then again might be my limited knowledge of python that is the problem, if you can have a quick look at that function
[21:33] <ubotu> Launchpad bug 124856 in kde-guidance ""Disk&Filesystems" module does not load after plugging in iPod" [Undecided,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/124856
[21:57]  * yuriy needs to learn to refresh
[21:57]  * Jucato presses yuriy's F5 button
[21:59]  * jpatrick clears yuriy cache.
[21:59]  * etretyak writing for yuriy $ pacman -Syu
[22:00]  * etretyak ooops.. wrong channel.. writing for yuriy sudo apt-get upgrade; sudo apt-get update
[22:00] <jpatrick> etretyak: traitor
[22:00]  * etretyak nm.. i'm drunk.. :-)
[22:00] <jpatrick> ;-)
[22:01]  * Jucato emerge --unmerge jpatrick
[22:02]  * jpatrick /kline Jucato 
[22:02] <CheGuevara> ERRNOPERMS
[22:03]  * etretyak whant ubuntu messenger bag
[22:03] <Jucato> jpatrick: as long as it's not /gline, I'll survive :)
[22:03]  * etretyak me participated in LP logo contest
[22:06] <etretyak> is there any LP members? :) vote for my logo :)
[22:07] <CheGuevara> where's tit
[22:10] <etretyak> CheGuevara: https://help.launchpad.net/logo/submissions ;)
[22:32] <Nightrose> stdin: mails are getting less - build getting better as well? *g*
[22:34] <stdin> Nightrose: getting there, yeah :)
[22:34] <Nightrose> \o/
[22:34] <Nightrose> ;-)
[22:36] <apachelogger> Riddell: btw, when did you get "dpkg-source: cannot represent change to ruby/qtruby/tools/rbrcc/main.o: binary file contents changed"?
[22:37] <Riddell> apachelogger: not sure now
[22:38] <apachelogger> well, I can't reproduce it debuild && debuild -S doesn't complain
[22:38] <Riddell> ignore it then
[22:38] <apachelogger> k
[22:39] <apachelogger> I'll upload the new version
[22:39] <apachelogger> "new"
[22:39] <Riddell> apachelogger: to where?
[22:39] <apachelogger> kollide
[22:39] <Riddell> ok
[22:42] <ryanakca> Riddell: I'm guessing I can send the required stuff to the canonical people?
[22:43] <apachelogger> Riddell: http://aplg.kollide.net/kubuntu/kdebindings/
[22:43] <stdin> hmm, kdemultimedia's broken
[22:43] <Riddell> ryanakca: dunno, newzum contacted me earlier though
[22:43] <ryanakca> Riddell: ok, well, elmo just told me to file an RT when I'm ready, so I guess I'll do that after supper :)
[22:44] <Riddell> ok
[22:46] <apachelogger> stdin: omg what did you do?
[22:46] <apachelogger> you can't break mm :S
[22:46] <apachelogger> ah
[22:46] <apachelogger> ha
[22:46] <stdin> apachelogger: not me, it's broken in hardy too
[22:47] <apachelogger> even better
[22:47] <apachelogger> stdin: well, no
[22:47] <stdin> do i mean kdemultimedia?
[22:47] <apachelogger> on hardy it builds on i386 at least
[22:47] <apachelogger> yes
[22:47] <stdin> hmm, something broke anyway
[22:48] <apachelogger> stdin: well, the deps are wrong
[22:48] <apachelogger> there is no libxklavier12
[22:48] <apachelogger> only 11
[22:49] <stdin> ahh, I meant kdesdk
[22:49] <stdin> that's the one that wasn't broken by me
[22:51] <apachelogger> hm
[22:51] <apachelogger> I guess it doesn't build kstartperf at all
[22:51] <apachelogger> question is why
[22:52] <Riddell> I added kstartperf for 4.0.3
[22:52] <Riddell> but it's missing something needed to build it
[22:54] <apachelogger> !info libltdl3-dev
[22:54] <ubotu> Package libltdl3-dev does not exist in gutsy
[22:54] <apachelogger> good to know
[22:54] <apachelogger> !info libltdl3-dev gutsy
[22:55] <apachelogger> !info libltdl3-dev hardy
[22:55] <ubotu> Package libltdl3-dev does not exist in hardy
[22:55] <apachelogger> I give up
[22:55] <apachelogger> Riddell: please add libltdl3-dev as build-depends
[22:55] <apachelogger> hm
[22:55] <Riddell> doing
[22:56] <apachelogger> stdin: please remove it then again, and don't forget to remove the kstartperf files from .installs
[22:56]  * apachelogger needs to get something to eat
[23:00] <yuriy> oo 4.0.3
[23:03] <apachelogger> stdin: actually, don't remove it, ubotu lied to me ;-)
[23:03] <stdin> apachelogger: I checked too, so I didn't :)