[00:00] <robinson_> hello. Running Kubuntu Hardy Beta. Knetworkmanger is set to run at startup, but for some reason, i have to manually start it. How do i get it to start as it should?
[00:01] <dwidmann> Uggghhhhh, I'm trying to get the alpha 6 alternate to install, but it fails on the grub installation part :(
[00:01] <Scientus> wierd shit tawmas, when i do that it asks me if i want to edit wireless network when i have a physical connection and no wireless cards
[00:02] <Scientus> does language offend ppl?
[00:02] <nikrud> Scientus think of this as the Disney G rated channel :)
[00:02] <Scientus> lol
[00:02] <macsim> dwidmann, what's the error ?
[00:02] <IdleOne> Scientus, he was not joking'
[00:02] <Scientus> i do know that
[00:03] <Scientus> but i still lol
[00:03] <Scientus> so tawmas u mean me?
[00:03] <IdleOne> dwidmann, why not download the beta instead
[00:03] <IdleOne> I did a FRESH INSTALL THIS MORNING WITH BETA AND IT WENT FLAWLESS
[00:04] <Scientus> read me tawmas???
[00:04] <IdleOne> except for randomly turning on caps
[00:04] <IdleOne> :P
[00:04] <dwidmann> IdleOne: well, I just downloaded that not so long ago, and I have the update packages cached on my laptop.
[00:04] <tawmas> Scientus: yes, was moving the laptop to another room
[00:04] <Scientus> k
[00:05] <Scientus> what about you , i guess with a laptop you are prob on wireless?
[00:05] <tawmas> Scientus: that's quite wierd. For me, it picks the correct interface -- except that when I do configure it, networking stops working
[00:05] <dwidmann> IdleOne: Besides that, it'll take time for me to download it ... I'm restricted with the exception of between 3am and 6am ..... sooooo it'll have to wait til then.
[00:05] <Scientus> wsomething is definately wack
[00:05] <tawmas> Scientus: actually, I have a problem with my desktop
[00:05] <tawmas> Can't set a static IP on it
[00:06] <tawmas> What's most wierd is that I used to have Hardy i386, and it worked, it stopped working when I switched to amd64
[00:06] <macsim> hum nautilus doesn't accept ctrl for multiple select ?!
[00:07] <tawmas> Right now, I'm testing with an i386 live cd, wanna see it it's the 64 bits or if it's a regression
[00:08] <Scientus> im running i386
[00:08] <Scientus> hm
[00:08] <tawmas> Scientus: my problem is definitely a regression, I've got the same problem under the live CD
[00:09] <tawmas> Scientus: putting it all together, something's rotten with Hardy networking...
[00:09] <macsim> I'm the only one how can't select multiple file with ctrl ?
[00:13] <macsim> esox, still here ?
[00:13] <IdleOne> macsim, I dont have that issue
[00:14] <macsim> IdleOne, :/ really
[00:14] <IdleOne> yeah really
[00:14] <tawmas> Scientus: tried to look up your problem on LP, didn't find anything related
[00:14] <macsim> IdleOne, when I press ctrl and click to another file nautilus unselect the first one
[00:14] <tawmas> but I'm not that good at bug search
[00:14] <robinson_> how can I make knetworkmanager start automatically in KDE4? The setting is checkmarked in the gui, but it doesnt seem to start, i have to manuall start it.
[00:15] <IdleOne> robinson_, #kubuntu-kde4
[00:15] <robinson_> hmmm. this is in hardy beta, does that matter?
[00:15] <IdleOne> robinson_, yes
[00:16] <IdleOne> that is the proper place to ask for help with kubuntu and kde4
[00:16] <robinson_> will try there.. sorry, just i usually got help here
[00:16] <IdleOne> robinson_, yeah I know but that channel is specific for that release
[00:16] <robinson_> thanks
[00:17] <tawmas> Hey, I'm still new here, is asking bug-related questions on #ubuntu-bugs proper etiquette?
[00:17] <IdleOne> guess so
[00:17] <ryanpg> hi all... anyone know if there's a pulseaudio or gstreamer "compressor" plugin I could use to boost my soundcard output?
[00:17] <esox> macsim: yes still here
[00:18] <macsim> esox, sorry, I have the anwser I was looking for
[00:18] <esox> macsim: ???
[00:19] <macsim> esox, I have a bug with nautilus when I try multiple selection with ctrl key I lose the selection
[00:19] <macsim> IdleOne, confirm me I'm the only one :/
[00:19] <IdleOne> macsim, I did no such thing . I confirmed I didnt have the issue :P
[00:20] <macsim> IdleOne, it's what I say I'm the only one ;)
[00:20] <esox> macsim: I dont have that bug
[00:20] <macsim> esox, yes I the only one with it :/
[00:20] <IdleOne> report it to launchpad
[00:21] <macsim> IdleOne, hum prefer to look deeper before maybe I broke something in nautilus
[00:21] <macsim> I'll create a new user to see if it still occur
[00:22] <macsim> oh :/
[00:22] <macsim> It's happen only with right ctrl not left one
[00:22] <macsim> esox, IdleOne can you confirm ,
[00:22] <macsim> ?
[00:22] <macsim> try to select file with right ctrl
[00:23] <IdleOne> right or left click both work fine for me
[00:23] <esox> macsim: right, same thing
[00:23] <IdleOne> I mean right or left ctrl
[00:23] <macsim> hum I really got strange thing, left works well, right no
[00:23] <m1r> maybe your ctrl button broken
[00:23] <macsim> m1r, no it's work fine
[00:23] <IdleOne> I was just thinking that. perhaps it is hardware
[00:24] <IdleOne> macsim, hehe apperently not
[00:25] <macsim> my keybord is fr, maybe something wrong with this ...
[00:26] <IdleOne> macsim, does the right ctrl key have anything else on it?
[00:26] <macsim> IdleOne, no
[00:26] <mactaylor> wat is causing ubuntu to only play one sound from an app at a time??????????
[00:27] <IdleOne> macsim, I dont know what would cause the right key not to work when the left does
[00:27] <m1r> macsim: u have spare keyboard to check ?
[00:28] <tawmas> Scientus: are you still there?
[00:28] <macsim> IdleOne, hum I'll bring an other keyboard from work tomorrow to be sure it's not an hardware problem
[00:28] <IdleOne> macsim, good idea
[00:28] <macsim> m1r, sorry I don't get what you ask
[00:29] <IdleOne> macsim, spare in this case means extra
[00:29] <IdleOne> spare = extra
[00:29] <macsim> IdleOne, ok , no with me now,
[00:29] <m1r> macsim: just do what u told 1 min ago ;)
[00:29] <macsim> IdleOne, I was looking for a something about raid lol
[00:29] <crimsun> mactaylor: more details, please?
[00:29] <ethana2> gahh, firefox keeps segfaulting
[00:29] <IdleOne> I love being able to speak 4 languages
[00:30] <mactaylor> whenever i open an app it locks sound just to itself.
[00:30] <macsim> m1r, I will but now it's 1:39 in the morning, I love my work but I'll way 8: to go over there ;)
[00:30] <macsim> IdleOne, sure it's usefull ;)=
[00:30] <IdleOne> macsim, indeed
[00:30] <crimsun> mactaylor: which apps are these?
[00:30] <macsim> IdleOne, witch one do you speak ?
[00:30] <mactaylor> firefox
[00:31] <mactaylor> basically any program that uses sound.
[00:31] <Arand> to debug the suspending process, which commands do I use?
[00:31] <IdleOne> macsim, french english italian spanish
[00:31] <crimsun> mactaylor: and you're using a pristine install of hardy?
[00:31] <gluer> nautilus keeps crashing when i do a search for *.jpg
[00:31] <mactaylor> pristine?
[00:31] <macsim> IdleOne, witch one is your mother tongue ?
[00:31] <crimsun> mactaylor: yes, pristine.
[00:31] <Arand> will lshal -m be enough
[00:32] <IdleOne>  macsim italian/french/english was raised speaking all 3
[00:32] <mactaylor> no
[00:32] <macsim> IdleOne, swiss ?
[00:32] <mactaylor> installed from beta
[00:32] <crimsun> mactaylor: a fresh install or a dist-upgrade?
[00:32] <mactaylor> fresg
[00:32] <crimsun> mactaylor: then that's pristine.
[00:32] <IdleOne> macsim, canadian, italian parents. french schooling and english in the streets
[00:33] <macsim> IdleOne, nice ;)
[00:33] <crimsun> mactaylor: are you using Flash in FF?
[00:33] <mactaylor> should i reinstall?????/
[00:33] <crimsun> mactaylor: no, you should not reinstall
[00:33] <IdleOne> learned spanish here in the USA from working in restaurants with migrant workers
[00:33] <mactaylor> is it pulseaudio/
[00:33] <crimsun> mactaylor: it could be, but don't do anything rash.
[00:33] <IdleOne> macsim, we are offtopic....
[00:34] <macsim> IdleOne, yep ...
[00:35] <mactaylor> it started happening when i upgraded my cpu to x2
[00:35] <mactaylor> but hen again i installed an update before i upgraded
[00:35] <jast-mxm> I am using 8.04 kde4 and everytime i try to open a file from dolphin it will open a new kate window, i want it to keep loading files into an exisitng kate window
[00:35] <jast-mxm> any idea how to chagne this?
[00:36] <hrlr> Hello, I'm trying to identify a bug.   When I go: System --> Administration --> Network Tools and then select the "Lookup" tab I enter the IP address for my ubuntu machine.  Nothing is returned from the query.  Can someone help?
[00:36] <IdleOne> !kde4
[00:36] <IdleOne> !kde
[00:36] <IdleOne> bots still offline?>
[00:36] <mactaylor> the bot is not in this room.
[00:36] <IdleOne> jast-mxm, #kubuntu-kde4
[00:37] <jast-mxm> #kubuntu-kde4 no one's answering me i came here after not getting any advice there
[00:37] <IdleOne> jast-mxm, ok then
[00:38] <jast-mxm> i tried >.<
[00:38] <tawmas> Scientus: you might need to edit your /etc/network/interfaces file by hand to let network manager and company pick up your interface correctly
[00:38] <tawmas> can you try now?
[00:38] <tawmas> I managed to solve my problem
[00:38] <verb3k> Can anyone running latest updates tell me which Transmission version is installed by default?
[00:39] <jast-mxm> so is anyone familiar w/ kate in kde4?
[00:39] <IdleOne> verb3k, 1.06-0ubuntu3
[00:39] <mneptok> editing /e/n/interfaces by hand is a good way to get NM *not* to configure your stuff
[00:40] <MattOv> I am failing at the very last leg of getting VMware server working on an AMD64 box - does anyone have any hints?
[00:40] <Abobo> everyone in here is a fag, etc
[00:40] <jast-mxm> mattov: what's up
[00:40] <verb3k> IdleOne, hope they upgrade to the latest: http://www.transmissionbt.com/   it fixes a lot of problems
[00:40] <MattOv> I get this when I run vmware:
[00:40] <MattOv> Unable to load image-loading module: /usr/lib/gtk-2.0/2.10.0/loaders/libpixbufloader-png.so: /usr/lib/gtk-2.0/2.10.0/loaders/libpixbufloader-png.so: wrong ELF class: ELFCLASS64
[00:40] <verb3k> IdleOne, latest is 1.10
[00:41] <jast-mxm> hmm i have the same exact issue :(
[00:41] <jast-mxm> so you can't power on your guest os either
[00:41] <MattOv> I can't do anything at all afaik
[00:41] <jast-mxm> hmm i can create mine, but i can't powe rit on
[00:41] <m12> use VBox OSE
[00:42] <jast-mxm> is that in the repos?
[00:42] <m12> should be
[00:42] <dwidmann>  IdleOne: sorry to bother, but I think I very well may have found out why the install cd was failing to install grub
[00:42] <IdleOne> why is that?
[00:42] <jast-mxm> is it pretty comprehensive like vmware?
[00:42] <Splex> I am unable to browse windows network shares with smb in Nautilus.  I can see the shares, but I cannot open them.
[00:43] <Splex> Anyone else have this problem?
[00:44] <m12> jast-mxm: much better/simpler
[00:44] <dwidmann> IdleOne: I popped in SystemRescue and couldn't seem to get it to install grub from there either .... got an error "/dev/sda does not have any corresponding BIOS drive" or similar
[00:44] <crimsun> mactaylor: did you ever state how you installed Flash?
[00:44] <mactaylor> from the repos
[00:45] <gluer> matt: vmware is not working properly for hardy yet, use vbox for now
[00:45] <DropKickMurpheys> Hi, i'm having some issues updating from my 64bit edition of 7.10 to the 64 bit edition of 8.04 beta using the alt. install cd
[00:45] <jast-mxm> m12: even for managing multiple guest OS? and is it for 64bit as well?
[00:45] <MattOv> ok cool
[00:46] <m12> jast-mxm: didnt try 64bit, u can check on their page
[00:46] <gluer> matt: install xp/vista  on vmbox then run seemless mode ;-)
[00:46] <m12> jast-mxm: but i think it should all work
[00:46] <m12> gluer +1 ;)
[00:46] <jast-mxm> m12: hmm i don't see it in the repos
[00:47] <gluer> 'virtualbox'
[00:47] <IdleOne> DropKickMurpheys, what issues?
[00:47] <jast-mxm> m12: yeah just found that
[00:47] <jast-mxm> thanks
[00:47] <jast-mxm> yay they fixed tab completion
[00:48] <IdleOne> dwidmann, I have no idea what that error means'
[00:48] <DropKickMurpheys> well when i insert my alt install cd it doesn't pop up with the update dialog, and when I try to run the alt -f2 gksu sh /cdrom/cdromupgrade it pops up a screen and then closes
[00:49] <MattOv> ok well will give virtuabox a try - many thanks for help (as eveR!)
[00:49] <jast-mxm> i'll be trying it too see how it works on 64
[00:50] <IdleOne> DropKickMurpheys, have you tried rebooting with the cd and seeing if it gives you the option to upgrade?
[00:50] <jast-mxm> dropkickmurpheys: try running konsole first then running your command to see what the error is
[00:50] <Arand> To debug the suspend to RAM process, which commands do I use?
[00:50] <Arand> Will "lshal -m" be enough?
[00:51] <DropKickMurpheys> yea, i tried booting from cd, then i get to the menus
[00:51] <crimsun> mactaylor: using flashplugin-nonfree?
[00:51] <mactaylor> yes
[00:51] <DropKickMurpheys> i don't see an  upgrade option though
[00:51] <mactaylor> i dont think flash is causing it
[00:51] <crimsun> mactaylor: please verify that libflashsupport is also installed
[00:51] <mactaylor> when i close firefox and open another app that app will lock sound and firefox wount have sound.
[00:52] <jast-mxm> hmm it says just support for xp but will that also include xp 64?
[00:52] <crimsun> mactaylor: did you create an asoundrc or something?
[00:52] <mactaylor> no
[00:52] <Arand> I'm having the problem that the first wakeup from suspend takes ~2 minutes, but after that it takes only the expected 7 seconds
[00:52] <m12> jast-mxm: you could just try
[00:52] <jast-mxm> what do i have to lose :P
[00:53] <m12> jast-mxm: but who uses M$64 bit xp ?
[00:53] <m12> i thought that died the moment it got published
[00:53] <Arand> so I'm wondering how can I get enough info for a bug report on that.
[00:53] <crimsun> mactaylor: pastebin the output from `sudo lsof /dev/dsp* /dev/mixer* /dev/seq* /dev/snd/*'
[00:53] <IdleOne> DropKickMurpheys, and internet upgrade is not working for you?
[00:54] <DropKickMurpheys> i can't use internet upgrade with my connection
[00:54] <IdleOne> I see
[00:54] <DropKickMurpheys> Hughesnet limits my download amount
[00:54] <jast-mxm> i have 8 gigs of ram , i like it to be able to use more than 2.5 gigs
[00:54] <DropKickMurpheys> 250mb a day
[00:54] <mactaylor> lsof: WARNING: can't stat() fuse.gvfs-fuse-daemon file system /home/john/.gvfs
[00:54] <mactaylor>       Output information may be incomplete.
[00:54] <jast-mxm> or w/e that limit is on 32bit OSes
[00:55] <m12> 32bit 3-35 gb
[00:55] <m12> 35=3.5
[00:55] <crimsun> mactaylor: is that all?
[00:56] <mactaylor> yes
[00:56] <crimsun> mactaylor: so what does `aplay /usr/share/sounds/*up.wav' do?
[00:56] <mactaylor> ALSA lib pcm_dmix.c:874:(snd_pcm_dmix_open) unable to open slave
[00:56] <mactaylor> aplay: main:546: audio open error: Device or resource busy
[00:56] <jast-mxm> hmm well when i was using just xp it was only seeing 2.5 of mine
[00:57] <jast-mxm> linux sees all 8
[00:57] <crimsun> mactaylor: and you used `sudo lsof ....'?
[00:57] <ethana2> my apps are segfaulting left and right
[00:57] <ethana2> firefox went down, pidgin seconds later
[00:58] <mactaylor> with that command?
[00:58] <crimsun> mactaylor: no, I mean the lsof command I told you about earlier
[00:58] <mactaylor> yeah
[00:58] <mactaylor> john@john-desktop:~$ sudo lsof /dev/dsp* /dev/mixer* /dev/seq* /dev/snd
[00:58] <mactaylor> lsof: WARNING: can't stat() fuse.gvfs-fuse-daemon file system /home/john/.gvfs
[00:58] <mactaylor>       Output information may be incomplete.
[00:59] <crimsun> mactaylor: you missed a rather critical set of characters
[00:59] <mactaylor> the star * on snd?
[01:00] <crimsun> mactaylor: /dev/snd/*  <-- the "/*" is absolutely essential
[01:00] <ethana2> bam!  there firefox goes again
[01:00] <webmaren> has the sound bug been fixed yet
[01:00] <mactaylor> http://pastebin.com/d62ba1bd0
[01:01] <crimsun> webmaren: you need to give more details
[01:02] <webmaren> the one where your sound card isn't detected
[01:02] <mactaylor> crimsun: here is the pastebin       http://pastebin.com/d62ba1bd0
[01:02] <webmaren> i noticed theres a Gnome-volume-manager update
[01:02] <crimsun> mactaylor: I just read it, thanks.
[01:03] <crimsun> webmaren: gnome-volume-manager handles mass storage devices, not audio.
[01:03] <crimsun> webmaren: run the alsa-info.sh script, and tell me the URL that it generates..
[01:03] <RAdams> How do you connect to a secure WebDAV share in Hardy?
[01:04] <crimsun> mactaylor: please download http://hg.alsa-project.org/alsa/raw-file/tip/alsa-info.sh and run it using bash.
[01:04] <dwidmann> IdleOne: sorry, but you're the only one that I've talked about this so far .... but this is the part where I exclaim "But wait!! There's more!" .... I just mounted /dev/mapper/sda6-crypt, and it seems the /bin, /sbin, and /usr folders don't even exist. What fun.
[01:05] <IdleOne> dwidmann, sounds to me like you have a borked install
[01:05] <mactaylor> why do i get john@john-desktop:~/Desktop$ sudo ./alsa-info.sh
[01:05] <mactaylor> sudo: ./alsa-info.sh: command not found
[01:06] <dwidmann> IdleOne: that's been the whole going on all along. The bootloader failed to install, it looks like the bins never got installed either
[01:06] <crimsun> mactaylor: don't use sudo
[01:06] <crimsun> mactaylor: where did you save the file?
[01:06] <jeffd> Have people found the heron relatively stable? I am running archlinux (which changes much too quickly) and want to run back to the familiar, and have had luck with ubuntu in the past.
[01:06] <mactaylor> Desktop
[01:06] <crimsun> mactaylor: bash ~/Desktop/alsa-info.sh
[01:06] <jbroome> chmod +x alsa-info.sh?
[01:06] <dwidmann> IdleOne: now to hope I can get everything working with the gutsy cd and then upgrade I suppose.
[01:06] <mactaylor> http://pastebin.ca/965447
[01:07] <crimsun> jbroome: that, too
[01:08] <IdleOne> whats the name of the app that allows to put applications in the panel? systray???? something
[01:08] <crimsun> mactaylor: good, and now:  dpkg -S /usr/lib/libflashsupport.so
[01:08] <Caesar> Is there a way to disable fast user switching without uninstalling fast-user-switch-applet?
[01:08] <dwidmann> IdleOne: alltray?
[01:09] <IdleOne> yeah thats the one
[01:09] <IdleOne> ty
[01:09] <mactaylor> libflashsupport: /usr/lib/libflashsupport.so
[01:09] <dwidmann> np
[01:09] <crimsun> Caesar: remove it from your session, save your session, log out, etc.
[01:10] <Caesar> crimsun: there's no... central way to do it?
[01:10] <crimsun> Caesar: remove it from the gnome-session template, remove ~/.gconf*, log out, etc.
[01:11] <crimsun> mactaylor: please run concurrent paplay instances that are staggered by a few seconds.
[01:12] <mactaylor> nothing plays with rythmebox open
[01:12] <crimsun> mactaylor: what is the default audio sink set to in gstreamer-properties?
[01:12] <Caesar> crimsun: where's the gnome-session template?
[01:13] <mactaylor> its on autodetect
[01:13] <balgarath> I did an update to the beta; is there any way to easily roll back to Gutsy?
[01:13] <Caesar> crimsun: nm, found it
[01:14] <jbroome> balgarath: restore your backup you made before upgrading, of course
[01:14] <mactaylor> should i change the defualt audio sink?
[01:15] <tanner> anyone else experiencing significantly slower disk to usb transfers?
[01:17] <mactaylor> tanner: i am although my usb drive could be dieing.
[01:18] <tanner> i'm experiencing very slow writes on 3 drives on hardy
[01:18] <mactaylor> are they fragmented?
[01:19] <crimsun> mactaylor: you could uncheck software sound mixing in the Sound Preferences (which would disable pulseaudio), and change the default audio sink to ALSA
[01:19] <c-ron> where can i find a guide for installing wine on hardy?
[01:20] <mactaylor> crimsun: i will be right back
[01:20] <m1r> c-ron: apt-get install wine should do it
[01:23] <jbroome> wtf fragmented?
[01:23] <hrlr> Is there anyone here that has multiple computers on a LAN that can ping or lookup their Hardy machine?  I'm specifically looking to see if other machines on the local network get the hostname of the Hardy machine.
[01:27] <rsk> c-ron: sudo apt-get install wine
[01:27] <rsk> ops 2late
[01:35] <CookedGryphon> hi, i want to rotate my screen but teh screen resolution dialog only has Normal rotation as an option. In gutsy i did it by changing xorg.conf, but 1, i can't remember what i did, and 2 it's all changed anyway hasn't it. I have SiS graphics
[01:36] <Dr_willis> xorg.conf is now uber-minimal. :)
[01:37] <Dr_willis> If you had a backup of your old xorg.conf file. you might want to try it.
[01:37] <CookedGryphon> backups are for wusses :P
[01:38] <CookedGryphon> so you reckon the gutsy method will still work if i edit xorg appropriately?
[01:38] <IdleOne> and for doing exactly what you did the last time but now forget how you did it :P
[01:38] <Dr_willis> i keep working xorg.conf copies for all my machines.. just in case. :)
[01:38] <Dr_willis> CookedGryphon,  if you can figure out what to edit.
[01:39] <CookedGryphon> fair enough, to google! i'll probably be back in a bit ...
[01:40] <ethana2> BAM!  Firefox segfaults again.
[01:40] <Andre_Gondim> the hardy hero will have kde 4 or              3.5?
[01:40] <mneptok> Andre_Gondim: your choice
[01:41] <Andre_Gondim>  mneptok I asked       cause  I need to know if in rosetta translation I work with  3.5 or 4 upstream
[01:41] <Dr_willis> I installed the kde4 kubuntu cd the other day
[01:43] <mneptok> Andre_Gondim: it's still your choice
[01:44] <Andre_Gondim> mneptok, ok
[01:46] <hrlr> Is there anyone here that has multiple computers on a LAN that can ping or lookup their Hardy machine?  I'm specifically looking to see if other machines on the local network get the hostname of the Hardy machine.
[01:46] <jbroome> hrlr: i can
[01:47] <jbroome> hrlr: but i have my hardy machine name in dns for the house LAN
[01:47] <CookedGryphon> are they meant to do that automatically, i always set my own in /etc/hosts
[01:47] <hrlr> jbroome: and it's showing to the other machines properly?
[01:48] <jbroome> yes, dnsmasq is good for that
[01:48] <hrlr> jbroome: I can't get any of my other machines on the LAN to resolve the hostname of my Hardy machine when Gutsy worked just fine.
[01:49] <jbroome> bummer
[01:49] <hrlr> jbroome: Even my router can't see a hostname.  It's wierd.
[01:50] <hrlr> jbroome: But when I'm on my Hardy machine I can type hostname and it comes back properly as "ubuntu".
[01:51] <Pedantic-Steve> hrlr: I can't see how Hardy could possible be the cause for failing to look up a hostname unless Hardy is the DNS server.  Unless perhaps there is an issue with how it presents it hostname to the DHCP server when requesting an address and you are doing dynamic DNS based on DHCP leases
[01:52] <hrlr> Pedantic-Steve:  Yes..  That's what is happening.  I just didn't know how to put it into words as well as you did.
[01:53] <Pedantic-Steve> you can run tcpdump while renewing your IP address.. thencompare that to how Gutsy does it (you can use the live CD for the Gutsy test)
[01:55] <jrr> ubuntu 8.0.4 (linux 2.6.24-12-server): i'm trying to compile a driver that stopped working at kernel 2.6.23.  is it possible to downgrade to an older ubuntu-packaged kernel?
[01:55] <lusepuster> Hi folks. just upgraded to Hardy. and most stuff works fine, however - using compiz, dropdown menus don't show! is there an known fix?
[01:56] <hrlr> Pedantic-Steve: I get "no suitable device found" when attempting to run tcpdump.
[01:56] <lusepuster> It applies to both the system menu and menu bars in open windows
[01:57] <Pedantic-Steve>  hrlr: hmm, that wierd.  I dont get that error... I get "listening on eth0, link-type EN10MB (Ethernet), capture size 96 bytes" (among other output)
[01:57] <hrlr> Pedantic-Steve: I need to run it as root.  agh!  :)
[01:58] <hrlr> bbl - I'm off to compare and contrast.  Thanks Steve!
[02:01] <soto> Is checkinstall supposed to be safe? (Doesn't overwrite files).
[02:01] <Scientus> tawmas u need somethign???
[02:01] <nabcore> I am so so very impressed with the update-manager --devel-release feature
[02:03] <nabcore> should this channel not be called ubuntu++ ?
[02:03] <nabcore> ;)
[02:03] <fabianhoward> can anyone tell me the reason why both vlc and totem are pixalated at full screen?  thanks
[02:04] <RAOF> fabianhoward: Because you're using the X11 video output, which doesn't do scaling nicely.
[02:04] <rsk> RAOF: x11 dosen't even scale at all afaik
[02:05] <fabianhoward> is there an alternative?
[02:05] <rsk> not by default that is
[02:05] <fabianhoward> by default?
[02:05] <rsk> ehrm
[02:05] <rsk> x11 should have perfect quality
[02:05] <rsk> but takes more cpu than xv or gl or whatever
[02:06] <RAOF> rsk: I thought it did, by simply making the pixels bigger?  Oh, maybe that was something else.
[02:06] <RAOF> s/pixels/blocks/
[02:06] <rsk> fabianhoward: try mplayer -vo x11 -zoom file.avi
[02:06] <fabianhoward> ok, two minutes
[02:07] <RAOF> rsk: That will look horrible, though.
[02:07] <rsk> i doubt it, but let's see first :)
[02:07] <RAOF> Hm... unless mplayer zooms itself.  I should probably try it :)
[02:08] <crdlb> RAOF: gstreamer's Xv zooms by default, mplayer's doesn't
[02:08] <RAOF> crdlb: What is mplayer smoking?
[02:08] <rsk> it's smoking ffmpeg
[02:08] <RAOF> That's what Xv is _for_.
[02:08] <crdlb> RAOF: err
[02:08] <crdlb> sorry, X11*
[02:09] <RAOF> Hardware accelerated scaling and colourspace conversion.
[02:09] <RAOF> Oh, that makes more sense.
[02:09] <RAOF> rsk: That's some crazy crack.  No wonder it's weird :)
[02:11] <fabianhoward> RAOF: would you mind repeating that command please
[02:12] <RAOF> mplayer -vo x11 -zoom whatever.avi
[02:12] <RAOF> On the other hand, what you probably _want_ is 'mplayer -vo xv whatever.avi'
[02:12] <RAOF> Or similar.
[02:12] <rsk> yea
[02:12] <rsk> but the driver might be broken
[02:13] <RAOF> True.
[02:13] <rsk> how does x11 works fabianhoward ?
[02:13] <fabianhoward> works?
[02:13] <rsk> better quaality
[02:13] <rsk> or what you might want to improve
[02:14] <fabianhoward> "mplayer -vo x11 -zoom whatever.avi" works and doesnt look pixelated but a bit blurry.
[02:14] <adinc> is there a way to turn the touchpad on a notebook of during typing, that makes human mad anytime you touch it a menu opens when typing
[02:14] <fabianhoward> I belive i'm using vesa drivers
[02:14] <rsk> oh vesa
[02:14] <rsk> then it's going to be bad
[02:14] <RAOF> Ah.  We don't do no stinkin acceleration :)
[02:14] <fabianhoward> would fglrx be better?
[02:14] <rsk> yes
[02:14] <RAOF> Yes.  In almost every way.
[02:14] <jsz> Can't get to live CD environment on my Pavilion dv9500t laptop, it hangs at "Starting bluetooth" :/
[02:16] <IdleOne> adinc, https://help.ubuntu.com/community/SynapticsTouchpad#head-a2737e1d208c03c1942df6636f132ec412c88115
[02:16] <adinc> IdleOne: thank you
[02:16] <IdleOne> np
[02:16] <adinc> IdleOne: i suppose you had the same problem? god this is awfull, isn't it
[02:17] <IdleOne> adinc, indeed
[02:17] <saltedlight> hi. anyone using canon pixma mp150? if so, is scanning working for you?
[02:17] <IdleOne> I turned it off completly but you can disable temporarily also
[02:18] <VTBuc> hi, I'm having some problems with AbiWord
[02:18] <jsz> absolutely nothing "just works", ever, under any flavor of Linux
[02:18] <jsz> learn that
[02:18] <adinc> turning it totally of is not confortable, highlighting words is helpful, but the rest. ohh no
[02:18] <VTBuc> I'm not sure if it's ubuntu-related or abiword-related
[02:18] <jbroome> saltedlight: i have an mp160 that sane/cups will not talk to.  dunno if the 150 is the same
[02:18] <VTBuc> My problem is...the wikipedia and google search tools no longer work
[02:18] <VTBuc> highlighting a word and clicking google search simply takes me to the google homepage rather than searching for the term
[02:19] <jbroome> that's 98% of my knowledge right there
[02:19] <VTBuc> the same thing with the wikipedia search...highlighting and clicking merely takes me to the wikipedia homepage
[02:19] <VTBuc> it worked previously...then I rebooted and it no longer works
[02:20] <saltedlight> cups is working on mp150. worked yesterday. xsane is starting and then say I/O failure...
[02:20] <VTBuc> does anybody have any advice? considering abiword is the default word processor for 8.04
[02:20] <lusepuster> Bump - in compiz, menus don't show up when clicked. This is true for Gnome apps but not for Firefox.
[02:20] <IdleOne> adinc, that link will show you how to disable temp. but still be able to use the touchpad. I prefer a mouse that is why I turned it off
[02:20] <RAOF> VTBuc: In what variant of Ubuntu is abiword the default? :)
[02:20] <VTBuc> Xubuntu 8.04
[02:21] <adinc> IdleOne: ohh, yes i need to buy a small one
[02:21] <VTBuc> I'm not quite sure if it is in the Gnome version since I don't use it often
[02:21] <Dr_willis> You can easially install abiword. :)
[02:21] <RAOF> VTBuc: Ok, right.  It's not default in Gnome.
[02:21] <VTBuc> ah okay, sorry about that
[02:22] <VTBuc> do you have experience with it regardless?
[02:22] <RAOF> None whatsoever.  I didn't know the functionality that you say has broken existed in the first place :)
[02:22] <HorizonXP> hey, I was just watching a show, and I closed it; totem is hogging one of my CPUs. I can't kill it in system-monitor, it's status is Uninterruptible
[02:22] <HorizonXP> how do I kill it?
[02:22] <VTBuc> RAOF: yikes, okay haha. I'll search around for an abiword specific channel then
[02:23] <RAOF> VTBuc: #xubuntu would seem a good first approximation :)
[02:23] <RAOF> HorizonXP: Wait for whatever it was waiting for in the kernel to finish :)
[02:23] <HorizonXP> RAOF: what could that be? it's been a few minutes now
[02:23] <fabianhoward> RAOF: is xv compatable with fglrx?
[02:23] <RAOF> fabianhoward: Yes.
[02:23] <HorizonXP> RAOF: and it's totem, I was just watching a show and closed it
[02:23] <HorizonXP> RAOF: the gui's not even here anymore
[02:24] <teamcobra> hrmm... I've got a server colocated downtown, and ssh/nx rdesktop works, but pinging out from the ssh/nx doesn't
[02:24] <RAOF> HorizonXP: It's not possible to kill it.  That's what 'uninterruptible' means; it won't recieve any signals until whatever it's waiting for in the kernel returns.
[02:24] <HorizonXP> RAOF: so.... what do I do?
[02:25] <fabianhoward> RAOF: any idea why I it doesnt display then, i only get audio...
[02:25] <HorizonXP> RAOF: I'm just supposed to wait indefinitely?
[02:25] <RAOF> HorizonXP: Well, rebooting works :)
[02:25] <HorizonXP> grr.....
[02:25] <HorizonXP> ok
[02:25] <teamcobra> does that seem like a config issue (static ip, not dhcp)?
[02:25] <HorizonXP> rebooting it is
[02:25] <RAOF> HorizonXP: Filing a bug is also a good idea, since it shouldn't hit D state.
[02:25] <HorizonXP> thanks :)
[02:25] <soto> What's the environment variable for library paths?
[02:25] <HorizonXP> RAOF: you're right, but I have no info about the bug other than this
[02:25] <fabianhoward> teamcobra: whats the server running?
[02:26] <teamcobra> fabian: hardy
[02:26] <teamcobra> believe it or not ;p
[02:26] <RAOF> (D being 'uninterruptible', AKA "I'm waiting for the kernel to do something before I can execute any instructions at all")
[02:26] <fabianhoward> teamcobra: whats the ufw status?
[02:26] <fabianhoward> teamcobra: ie is it on?
[02:27] <RAOF> HorizonXP: What you were doing before it became uninterruptible would be pretty much the only thing you could add.  If you can reproducibly get this, then _definitely_ file a bug.
[02:27] <teamcobra> not sure to be honest.... I've been testing the server all week (it was at a friend's house on cable)
[02:27] <fabianhoward> teamcobra: i dont think UFS is on by default...
[02:27] <teamcobra> and everything was fine.. however, with the static ip set up, outgoing internet from inside the box doesn't work
[02:27] <HorizonXP> RAOF: first time it's happened. I don't even know what I did different to cause it
[02:27] <HorizonXP> anyway brb
[02:28] <teamcobra> should I pastebin my /etc/network/interfaces and ifconfig?
[02:28] <fabianhoward> I have a feeling the firewalls to blame...
[02:28] <fabianhoward> just a hunch
[02:29] <teamcobra> yeah, but the datacenter shouldn't be firewalling all traffic like that
[02:29] <fabianhoward> teamcobra: not the datacentre your machine
[02:29] <teamcobra> hrmmm, odd
[02:29] <fabianhoward> RAOF: sorry to ask another question, but do you have any idea why the display wont show with mplayers video output as xv?
[02:30] <rsk> fabianhoward: put vo=xv in /homeu/user/.mplayer/config
[02:30] <rsk> er
[02:30] <rsk> i dont think vesa works with it
[02:31] <RAOF> It definitely does not work with vesa.
[02:31] <TantorCFSJA> I have a question on screen refresh rates in Ubuntu 8.04
[02:31] <TantorCFSJA> I'm getting conflicting reports on the rate...
[02:31] <RAOF> TantorCFSJA: Your next statement will be "I have an nvidia card", right?
[02:31] <fabianhoward> I'm using fglrx
[02:31] <TantorCFSJA> Screen and graphics say 55
[02:31] <TantorCFSJA> and ...Ya... Nvidia says 75...
[02:31] <fabianhoward> not sure about xorg config, left that up to the driver manager
[02:32] <TantorCFSJA> guess it's been brought up before eh?
[02:32] <RAOF> TantorCFSJA: nvidia deliberately mis-report the refresh rate.  nvidia-settings is correct.
[02:32] <teamcobra> just disabled ufw, here's the pastebin while I reboot: http://pastebin.ca/965573
[02:32] <TantorCFSJA> OK my crt says it's 75 right...
[02:32] <TantorCFSJA> cool ty then...
[02:33] <TantorCFSJA> I'm new to Linux... andhave been really enjoying Ubuntu
[02:33] <rsk> starting with the beta
[02:33] <rsk> \o/
[02:33] <TantorCFSJA> hoping it makes some of the doze fans change their minds...
[02:33] <TantorCFSJA> was on 7.10 for 2 weeks...
[02:33] <TantorCFSJA> ya
[02:33] <teamcobra> hardy is a very nice beta, esp in terms of hardware support (obviously due to the new kernel)
[02:34] <Wrath> other than for broadcom wireless cards..
[02:34] <TantorCFSJA> I think it's actually faster than 7.10...
[02:34] <fabianhoward> does fglrx need adintional config for xv overlay/
[02:34] <rsk> no
[02:34] <teamcobra> Wrath: if you manually b43-fwcutter the firmware, they work nicely w/ b43
[02:34] <teamcobra> my 2 laptops are MUCH more stable as a resule (bcm4311rev02)
[02:34] <TantorCFSJA> well thanx for the quick answer...
[02:35] <TantorCFSJA> much better than the MS support I'm used to... :)
[02:35] <fabianhoward> strange i just get audio...
[02:35] <teamcobra> and also, rename any ndiswrapper.ko's you have floating around to ndiswrapper.old, even blacklisting doesn't seem to work ;p ;p
[02:35] <Aval0n> hey guys i just updated to hardy and my gdm is SUPER slow.. and if I click to drag a window it freezes
[02:35] <Aval0n> I've tried 2 different nvidia drivers
[02:35] <Aval0n> same result
[02:36] <Aval0n> any suggestions?
[02:36] <fabianhoward> Aval0n: whats it like with vesa/
[02:36] <Aval0n> I have not tried
[02:36] <Aval0n> gutsy worked a treat though
[02:37] <saltedlight_> Aval0n, what card do you have?
[02:38] <teamcobra> disabling ufw didn't change anything, I'm guessing it was already disabled
[02:38] <fabianhoward> teamcobra: so you can ssh to it?
[02:39] <teamcobra> fabian: yup, and connect via NX (ssh + rdesktop, so sending and receiving data from my laptop over ssh works)
[02:39] <teamcobra> both work fine, ssh seems a bit laggy logging in at first, but it works
[02:39] <fabianhoward> fabianhoward: yet pinging it doesnt work??
[02:39] <Aval0n> saltedlight_: 7300gs
[02:40] <teamcobra> pinging it works... but say, if I ssh into it... and ping google.com, it doesn't work
[02:40] <teamcobra> unknown host ;p
[02:40] <fabianhoward> teamcobra: can you wget google.com?
[02:40] <teamcobra> it's hanging at resolving, doesn't look like it
[02:41] <fabianhoward> teamcobra: can you ping any websites?
[02:41] <teamcobra> nope
[02:41] <fabianhoward> teamcobra: try pinging 72.14.207.99
[02:42] <teamcobra> 30ms, works
[02:42] <fabianhoward> teamcobra: thats google
[02:42] <fabianhoward> teamcobra: looks like you need to set your dns
[02:42] <teamcobra> ahhhhh
[02:42] <teamcobra> can I dpkg-reconfigure and get it going that way?
[02:43] <fabianhoward> teamcobra: I'm afraid i cant help you there
[02:43] <fabianhoward> teamcobra: i dont use debian/ubuntu on the server
[02:43] <fabianhoward> teamcobra: sorry
[02:43] <teamcobra> ahh... thanks for the help though, I should be able to figure something out
[02:43] <fabianhoward> teamcobra: np
[02:45] <fabianhoward> teamcobra: can you cat /etc/resolv.conf
[02:45] <teamcobra> 1 sec
[02:47] <r0bby> is hardy stable enough to use that it's not gonna bust like every other beta release i've tried...
[02:47] <teamcobra> ahh, let me change that, I think you've found the problem ;)
[02:47] <fabianhoward> r0bby: there are no garentuess
[02:47] <fabianhoward> teamcobra: what does it say?
[02:47] <r0bby> I have no clue how ubuntu devs break things as bad as they do at times..
[02:48] <teamcobra> it's _scary_ how much better nx works vs the colo's kvm-over-ip
[02:48] <teamcobra> fabian: old ip addresses from my buddy's cable
[02:48] <r0bby> (i'm not trolling)
[02:48] <fabianhoward> r0bby: i find it stable enough
[02:48] <r0bby> there were times where i'd lose X
[02:48] <fabianhoward> r0bby: well with bulletproof x...
[02:48] <r0bby> also have you had any luck w/ dual monitors (using Intel's onboard graphics driver)
[02:49] <jimiridge> guaranty
[02:49] <r0bby> I just managed to bust graphics on my system
[02:49] <saltedlight_> r0bby, i think is stable enough for an newbie like me :))
[02:49] <r0bby> just wait a few weeks
[02:50] <r0bby> I'm a cynic when it comes to ubuntu lately
[02:50] <teamcobra> search hsd1.in.comcast.net.  /  nameserver 68.87.72.130 / nameserver 68.87.77.130    (the 3 lines of /etc/resolv.conf, slash between each line)
[02:50] <jimiridge> guarantee
[02:51] <fabianhoward> teamcobra: just change the whole thing to nameserver 208.67.222.222
[02:52] <saltedlight_> r0bby,  i'm trying to boost my graphics too... i do have some strange bugs... and is kinda slow comparing with the ol' m$win%cra&p... but seems to be ok... if not... there is no way back to m$win%cra*p
[02:53] <fabianhoward> teamcobra: ?
[02:53] <r0bby> heh
[02:53] <teamcobra> fabian: rebooting the server, 1 min ;)
[02:53] <fabianhoward> teamcobra: you should need too...
[02:53] <fabianhoward> teamcobra: you shouldn't need too...
[02:53] <teamcobra> oh :p
[02:53] <adinc> IdleOne: it works great!
[02:53] <teamcobra> sorry, I restarted right after I saved it ;p
[02:54] <fabianhoward> teamcobra: np
[02:54] <IdleOne> adinc, glad to hear it :)
[02:54] <fabianhoward> teamcobra: let me know, when its up
[02:54] <teamcobra> will do
[02:55] <Lunks> I configured a static IP address for my network. Now I have to do an 'ifup eth0' everytime I restart my computer.
[02:56] <Luckrider> Lunks
[02:56] <Luckrider> you could set that command to run at start up
[02:56] <teamcobra> 64 bytes from py-in-f99.google.com (64.233.167.99): icmp_seq=6 ttl=248 time=3.83 ms
[02:56] <Lunks> Also when setting a new IP address, I have to do it as well.
[02:57] <fabianhoward> teamcobra: nice
[02:57] <Lunks> Luckrider: but should I? =P
[02:57] <fabianhoward> teamcobra: glad to help
[02:57] <Luckrider> It would make it more convinient
[02:57] <teamcobra> thanks fabian, you saved the night :)
[02:57] <fabianhoward> teamcobra: lol
[02:57] <teamcobra> fabian: once I get the quotas and ldap going, I'll give you an upgraded acct on my site
[02:57] <teamcobra> (collaboration suite + remote desktop service) ;)
[02:58] <fabianhoward> teamcobra: thats very generous, thanks you
[02:58] <Luckrider> you can run up to 2 custom commands in prefereda applicalations, unless you run a script in there, then the script can be as long as you want Lunks
[02:58] <Luckrider> but... I have to go to bed in a couple of minutes
[02:58] <teamcobra> no problem :) ssh is a lot snappier too
[02:59] <Dr_willis> Hmm.. Why the heck is it saying the normal ubuntu updates dont have verification now.. odd...
[02:59] <adinc> IdleOne: do you know how the brightness of a notebook is controlled, i've a samsung q45 and the brightnes can not be controlled via the Fn-keys
[02:59] <teamcobra> willis: reload
[02:59] <Luckrider> so Lunks if you want to set up commands on start up go to System> preferences> Prefered Application>  Accesibility
[02:59] <Dr_willis>  The following packages cannot be authenticated!  -- On everything..
[02:59] <Dr_willis> teamcobra,  ahh. yep. makes sence
[02:59] <teamcobra> willis: out of date packages ;)
[02:59] <Lunks> Luckrider: I believe this is a problem with Ubuntu, I shouldn't have to correct it
[02:59] <Luckrider> sorry lunks, if you need more help ask someone else, got to get to bed
[02:59] <Luckrider> oh
[02:59] <Lunks> Unless it's a wanted behaviour, which I think it's not. ;P
[02:59] <Luckrider> by
[03:00] <Luckrider> e
[03:00] <Dr_willis> ya thinkit would say so. :) not this obscoure message. heh
[03:00] <IdleOne> adinc, have not figured that out yet sorry
[03:00] <teamcobra> Lunks: I have a static ip set up.... how did you configure yours in the first place, network-manager?
[03:00] <fabianhoward> teamcobra: would you like an email, in case of further queries?
[03:00] <adinc> IdleOne: no problem
[03:00] <Lunks> teamcobra: yup
[03:00] <teamcobra> fabian: sure, msg me :)
[03:01] <fabianhoward> teamcobra: u get it?
[03:02] <teamcobra> fabian: nope, oddly enough
[03:02] <Aval0n> if I wanted to completely remove X and reinstall for hardy
[03:02] <Groty> Hi All
[03:02] <Aval0n> what would I do?
[03:02] <fabianhoward> teamcobra: how about now?
[03:03] <Aval0n> so it will be completely default
[03:03] <Groty> It was recommended that I bring this up on this channel
[03:03] <Groty> I just upgraded to 8.04 on my lappy, noticed one thing - when on battery power, unchecking "Reduce backlight brightness" in Power Management Prefs isn't working.  It still dims and now I know how my grandparents feel when they try to read at night
[03:03] <teamcobra> yup, got it
[03:04] <teamcobra> Lunks: hrmm, well... the quick, dirty, and easy way to fix it is to modify your startup script
[03:04] <teamcobra> 1 sec
[03:04] <Aval0n> if I wanted to completely remove X and reinstall for hardy and make it compeltely default what packages would I need to remove?
[03:05] <teamcobra> Lunks: add ifup eth0 to your /etc/rc.local , you'll never have to touch it again after a reboot
[03:05] <fabianhoward> Aval0n: so your jsut back at ubuntu-desktop?
[03:06] <Aval0n> I want ubuntu desktop with working compiz again
[03:06] <teamcobra> it's hackish, but I didn't bump into the same problem on the 8.04 server edition that is using a static ip
[03:06] <Lunks> teamcobra: but I have when changing IP address as well. =P
[03:06] <teamcobra> and I'll see if I can reproduce it myself later
[03:06] <teamcobra> hrmm.. point taken ;)
[03:06] <saltedlight_> is emerald deprecated? how can i install it? i do not find it on synaptic...
[03:06] <Lunks> I think this is an issue
[03:07] <Lunks> I don't mind doing it every startup
[03:07] <SuperLag> nice
[03:07] <Lunks> As Hardy is beta, and if I'm using it, I really don't bother broken things.
[03:07] <teamcobra> no, after adding the ifup eth0, it'd bring the interface up automatically
[03:07] <SuperLag> How do you delete a file that exists, but Hardy says it doesn't?
[03:07] <Lunks> But I believe it should be fixed, right? =P
[03:07] <teamcobra> I will try to reproduce it in a vm though, just really busy atm
[03:07] <fabianhoward> Aval0n: sorry so you want to get back to the default install of ubuntu?
[03:08] <Aval0n> yes
[03:08] <SuperLag> -????????? ? ?    ?     ?                ? Unincorp
[03:08] <SuperLag> that's the perms on the files
[03:08] <SuperLag> file
[03:08] <SuperLag> and I can't delete it
[03:08] <SuperLag> it resides in /var/lib/dpkg/triggers/
[03:08] <d4t4min31> does HH come with firefox 3?
[03:08] <SuperLag> d4t4min31: yes
[03:08] <teamcobra> d4: b4
[03:09] <d4t4min31> cool... did they work on the wifi connection thing
[03:09] <d4t4min31> I couldn't get it to work with my usb wireless
[03:09] <teamcobra> what usb wireless chipset?
[03:10] <Aval0n> fabianhoward: ?
[03:10] <fabianhoward> Aval0n: wouldnt it be eaiser to do a clean reinstall?
[03:11] <Aval0n> lol
[03:11] <Aval0n> no
[03:11] <Aval0n> too many things I could lose
[03:11] <Aval0n> lots of recordings/videos from myth
[03:11] <Aval0n> databases
[03:11] <Aval0n> etc...
[03:11] <Aval0n> no blanks cds...
[03:11] <fabianhoward> Aval0n: /etc :P
[03:11] <Aval0n> hah
[03:12] <akreao> Could you explain what Myth is? I almost installed it.
[03:12] <fabianhoward> akreao: tv/media package
[03:12] <akreao> Oh.
[03:12] <akreao> I'm looking for desktop recording softwar.e
[03:13] <akreao> Something like CamStudio but working on Linux.
[03:13] <fabianhoward> Aval0n: open synaptix and go to file > history
[03:14] <Aval0n> heheh
[03:14] <Aval0n> I wish I could just go back to gutsy
[03:14] <akreao> I had too many problems with gutsy. =/
[03:14] <fabianhoward> Aval0n: is that helpful?
[03:15] <Aval0n> fabianhoward: i'll check it out in a bit not there atm
[03:15] <Silvanov> hello, are there any supported programs like webmin or ispconfig for hardy server?
[03:16] <fabianhoward> Aval0n: kk
[03:20] <SuperLag> nice.
[03:20] <SuperLag> totally hosed :)
[03:20]  * SuperLag guesses he gets to start over
[03:20] <dassouki> i installed cheese on gutsy, and it loads up stays up for a few seconds then shuts down, during which my webcam on turns on
[03:21] <SuperLag> Is there a way to blow up your package tree, and still be able to easily build it from scratch?
[03:24] <icanhasadmin> Hardy is amazing. I <3 it :D
[03:24] <IdleOne> SuperLag,  what do you mean by blow up the package tree?
[03:25] <icanhasadmin> IdleOne: dynamite no doubt.
[03:25] <teamcobra> icanhasadmin, it is quite nice ;)
[03:25] <teamcobra> meh, anyone know of any reasonable places for colocation that they've worked with?
[03:26] <teamcobra> this connection has a very low ping, but they chare $295/mo for an unmetered 10m line
[03:26] <teamcobra> and 128k doesn't cut it ;p
[03:27] <icanhasadmin> teamcobra: seriously amazing. I installed it on the fly onto an 8gb sandisk flash drive. small menu.lst edit and everything worked genius. compiz started with a simple skip_checks and performance was quite impressive.
[03:27] <SuperLag> IdleOne: dpkg is hosed
[03:27] <kgoetz> SuperLag: can you give us more details?
[03:28] <SuperLag> IdleOne: turns out it's more serious than that. I'm going to reinstall
[03:28] <teamcobra> incanhasadmin: _sweet_ ;)
[03:28] <SuperLag> I had a bad shutdown and it corrupted the fs
[03:28] <spiniker> i have problems when i shut down my laptop,the screen goes black and it takes tolong to shut down,im running hardy beta on my laptop..
[03:28] <SuperLag> So rather than trying to patch things back together and not being sure if it's all fixed, I'm just going to start over
[03:28]  * SuperLag is crazy, anyways :)
[03:29] <ethana2> I have a 2GB flash drive
[03:29]  * SuperLag runs Hardy in a VMWare Fusion virtual machine, on his Mac... running from the external Firewire drive :)
[03:29] <ethana2> ...how easy would it be to put bootable ubuntu on it?
[03:29]  * teamcobra _despises_ what apple has become
[03:29] <ethana2> AMEN
[03:29] <SuperLag> teamcobra: why?
[03:29] <ethana2> Apple has become the devil
[03:29] <SuperLag> haha
[03:29] <ethana2> control, control, control
[03:29] <SuperLag> how do you figure?
[03:29] <teamcobra> SuperLag: control
[03:29] <ethana2> ...and control
[03:30] <teamcobra> heheh
[03:30] <ethana2> SuperLag, oh just about everything
[03:30] <ethana2> where their OS is run
[03:30] <spiniker> is there anyway to fix it?i have to remove the power cord and the battery just to turn it off...
[03:30] <teamcobra> look at the appstore for the iphone
[03:30] <ethana2> what networks their phone can use
[03:30] <icanhasadmin> ethana2: er... i'm actually not 100% sure if 2gb is quite enough. honestly i would NEVER suggest a usb flash/hd install. I only was confident because i've done it a 100 times :D
[03:30] <ethana2> ...*sigh*
[03:30] <teamcobra> now _that_ is lockdown
[03:30] <ethana2> many things they do are lockdwon
[03:30] <ethana2> down*
[03:30] <teamcobra> and hahah... they cripple x11
[03:30] <teamcobra> so 90% of gpl software for the mac isn't usable by default
[03:30] <ethana2> ..icanhasadmin: ...I may get a 4 or 8 GB...
[03:31] <teamcobra> unless you have an installation dvd, which is _supposed_ to come with the support for the pc... we've called quite a few times, no joy
[03:31] <rust> does anybody use send-notify with cron on Hardy?
[03:31] <teamcobra> and they'll lie to get you off of the phone
[03:31] <SuperLag> I never got into Linux for philosophical reasons. It's purely more pragmatic for me. It runs much more stable than Windows and software is cheap and/or free.
[03:31] <teamcobra> which isn't good support for a pc w/ a $1k premium for basically shiny and support
[03:31] <SuperLag> My Macbook does what I need it to do.
[03:31] <rust> I'm havin' problems, in that from cron or at it wont display a message on the desktop
[03:32] <rust> but from the terminal it comes up ok.
[03:32] <icanhasadmin> ethana2: it's very very doable with a tiny grub fix. 4gb should work just fine.
[03:32] <teamcobra> SuperLag: yeah, I started running linux 12 years ago (@ 12) because my first x86 pc was a dual proc p133
[03:32] <teamcobra> and win95 didn't have dual proc support
[03:32] <teamcobra> and liked to need a reinstall every day, literally
[03:33] <rust> DISPLAY=:0.0 /usr/bin/notify-send Notify "Notified"
[03:33] <teamcobra> I mean, my first pc was a IIGS
[03:33] <rust> ^^ works from the terminal but not cron, ideas/
[03:33] <SuperLag> I don't screw with my Mac. I use it. It doesn't get tinkered with, as do my Linux boxes.
[03:33] <icanhasadmin> Yeah, cheap vista laptop ($400 range) that doesn't even support Aero... flying colors in Hardy.. installed with DRI working default. amazingly quick and responsive too.
[03:33] <SuperLag> It stays out of my way.
[03:33] <ethana2> :)
[03:33] <SuperLag> and that's exactly what I want
[03:34] <Aval0n> is the cube effect off by default in hardy?
[03:34] <SuperLag> I've done the Linux bit. Google my nick, and my name, and you can see that.
[03:34] <ethana2> yes.
[03:34] <teamcobra> my mom was an apple freak, because back then, the only good pc's for education were the mac, and she was a high school art teacher... the IIGS had a wicked cpu + gfx combo at the time, was pretty much an amiga ;)
[03:34] <ethana2> cube is ugly
[03:34] <Aval0n> lol
[03:34] <Aval0n> what about the wobble when you move the windows around
[03:34] <SuperLag> I just had better use for my time.
[03:34] <Aval0n> is that off too?
[03:34] <ethana2> i think so
[03:34] <icanhasadmin> gimp ftfw..
[03:34] <Aval0n> ahh then my stuff isn't messed up
[03:34] <Aval0n> it's just default
[03:34] <Aval0n> at least for that
[03:35] <Aval0n> cube is not ugly btw ;)
[03:35] <rsk> you have better use of your time than to talk about you prefering mac's in #ubuntu+1
[03:35] <SuperLag> rsk: I still mess with Linux. :)
[03:35]  * teamcobra goes back to the server ;p
[03:35] <ethana2> our windows suck
[03:35] <SuperLag> rsk: hence my earlier questions
[03:35] <ethana2> title bars are horrible
[03:35] <ethana2> ..but by gnome 3.0 we should be past all this
[03:35] <SuperLag> in any case... my bad shutdown corrupted the filesystem
[03:36] <rsk> run fsck?
[03:36] <SuperLag> too many errors
[03:36] <rsk> right
[03:36] <SuperLag> I tried that already. and even if it fixes them all, I still wouldn't trust it
[03:36] <rsk> man fsck and se if there's some force option
[03:37] <SuperLag> rsk: you an Ubuntu committer?
[03:37] <rsk> and if that dosen't work, either pay good money for disc recovery from a lab
[03:37] <rsk> or find the data again and put it on a new disc
[03:37] <SuperLag> hshs
[03:37] <SuperLag> haha
[03:37] <SuperLag> no
[03:37] <SuperLag> it's beta
[03:37] <SuperLag> I understand that
[03:37] <SuperLag> there is no important data on this install
[03:38] <SuperLag> I just realized, though, that I didn't keep the .iso to install from. I deleted it to recover space.
[03:38] <SuperLag> Time to download again.
[03:38] <teamcobra> superlag: you've run fsck -v -y /dev/hdx right?
[03:38] <teamcobra> -y is important ;)
[03:39] <rsk> -yes ? :D
[03:39] <SuperLag> Yes.
[03:39] <SuperLag> too. many. errors.
[03:39] <teamcobra> ok *ducks*
[03:39] <SuperLag> 19:36 < SuperLag> I tried that already. and even if it fixes them all, I still wouldn't trust it
[03:39] <rsk> you are not trusting an app
[03:39] <rsk> that you were trusting enough to run to fix your drive?
[03:39] <rsk> geez
[03:40] <rsk> i guess you do use mac after all
[03:40] <SuperLag> whtat?
[03:40] <SuperLag> dammt
[03:40] <SuperLag> I can't TYPE
[03:40] <SuperLag> jfkdas;jfl;kasjfdas
[03:40] <SuperLag> rsk: what?
[03:40] <SuperLag> you're not making sense
[03:41] <teamcobra> I mean, I've had a _ton_ of errors before
[03:41] <rsk> ok
[03:41] <rsk> just ignore me then
[03:41] <teamcobra> but as long as there wasn't bad sectors, I've never had bad luck
[03:41] <teamcobra> fsck ftw
[03:41] <teamcobra> 1 bad shutdown can make a lot of errors that get fixed
[03:42] <SuperLag> and I've had a _ton_ of errors, as well... w/no bad sectors. And it still turned out to be a mess
[03:42] <teamcobra> guess I've had a _lot_ of good luck w/ filesystems to make up for the decade of bad luck irl ;p
[03:42] <teamcobra> brb
[03:44] <dassouki> does anyone kno where the cheese config files are?
[03:44] <rsk> ./cheese maybe?
[03:45] <RAOF> ~/.gnome2/cheese, I think.
[03:45] <IdleOne> would anybody know how to set it up so I can download files to a certain folder and then have them moved to a folder on my windows share?
[03:45] <dassouki> ok thanks
[03:45] <IdleOne> automagicaly of course
[03:46] <icanhasadmin> IdleOne: "mv" and a lot of tab completing...
[03:47] <IdleOne> icanhasadmin, I want the content of the folder on my ubuntu box moved say 1 time a day to a folder on my windows pc
[03:47] <IdleOne> there should be a script that can be written to do this but I dont know how to
[03:49] <RAOF> IdleOne: It'd be pretty easy.  You'd basically want to rsync the folted to the windows PC, and stick that in a script which you call from cron.
[03:49] <icanhasadmin> IdleOne: sounds like someone somewhere has something that would do that lol.
[03:49] <icanhasadmin> Yes, exactly what RAOF said.
[03:50] <RAOF> icanhasadmin: Well, perhaps without the word "folder" replaced by "folted" :P
[03:50] <IdleOne> RAOF, you look like a person who knows about this! wanna write this up real quick :)
[03:50] <RAOF> Never done it before!
[03:51] <icanhasadmin> RAOF: not so sure. folted's sometimes can hold just as much informated and be moved just as efficiently ;)
[03:51] <RAOF> IdleOne: However, what you'd be after is something like "#!/bin/sh ; rsync -a /path/to/thing /path/to/windows " and stick it in /etc/cron.daily
[03:52] <isforinsects> What does it mean when my dmesg is spitting out req's from me to my dns ip
[03:52] <isforinsects> ?
[03:53] <Aval0n> guys I am going to run mythtv on my hardy box, but with compiz is there a way to let it go fullscreen without having the menu bars at top and bottom?
[03:56] <AutoMatriX> hi folks
[03:56] <evalles> is anyone having problems with broadcom 4318 wireless card in hardy?
[03:57] <AutoMatriX> since gutsy thye stylus on my tabletPC (an M200 Toshiba) does not work anymore ....
[03:57] <AutoMatriX> how can i figure out if tihis is repairedi in hardy ?
[03:57] <dwidmann> Does anybody here know what would cause a grub error 16 (inconsistent filesystem structure) error off  a new install?
[03:57] <evalles> the driver seems to be loaded... the light is on, but it fails to find any network
[03:59] <icanhasadmin> dwidmann: did you happen to install on an external harddrive?
[04:00] <dwidmann> icanhasadmin: no
[04:00] <icanhasadmin> dwidmann: can you list the partitions on your drive and what their file systems are? in order?
[04:00] <dwidmann> icanhasadmin: but if you have a potential solution that worked in that scenario, I'd still love to hear it
[04:02] <dwidmann> /dev/sda1 (ntfs), /dev/sda5 (ext2 (/boot)), /dev/sda6 (encrypted XFS), /dev/sda7-11 (not formatted), /dev/sda12 (encrypted xfs (/home))
[04:02] <icanhasadmin> i assume you're on a different box now?
[04:03] <dwidmann> icanhasadmin: right, this is my laptop, and I'm right next to the other one .... booted into gparted live right now .... apart from that most of my tinkering was with SystemRescue
[04:04] <icanhasadmin> dwidmann: I probabaly can't fix this in this situation. but i can point you in the right direction. your MBR is screwed.
[04:04] <dwidmann> icanhasadmin: ah, that might do it
[04:05] <icanhasadmin> dwidmann: honestly error 16 pretty much only happens when windows is also floating around on that drive
[04:05] <icanhasadmin> dwidmann: you might want to try a windows cd + recovery console
[04:05] <dwidmann> icanhasadmin: I tried doing "grub; root (hd0,4) setup (hd0)" to no avail
[04:05] <dwidmann> icanhasadmin: well, seeing as I just copied everything over to this drive .....
[04:05] <dwidmann> icanhasadmin: I'll see what I can do
[04:06] <icanhasadmin> i'm guessing you installed hardy recently?
[04:06] <icanhasadmin> or this was an issue on first boot?
[04:06] <dwidmann> icanhasadmin: I still have thorough backups of everything ..... well, currently it's gutsy, seeing as the hardy disk failed to work (I have all the packages I need for the upgrade cached on my laptop)
[04:07] <IdleOne> RAOF, so I would just move the file I just created to /etc/cron.daily? how can I have it do the rsync at a specific time?
[04:07] <dwidmann> icanhasadmin: first boot sort of issue, it said that no boot devices were available, that's when I fired up the live cd and ran setup on it
[04:07] <icanhasadmin> so.. wait it's an upgraded gutsy install?
[04:08] <RAOF> IdleOne: That, I don't know.
[04:09] <dwidmann> icanhasadmin: then again, this is a drive fresh out of another computer ... (was running hardy), I decided I was going to reinstall to clean some automated things up, zero filled the drive, made a new partition table and partitioned it with gparted live, tried to insstall hardy and it failed to set up grub among other things, so I popped in gutsy and it worked, but then it failed to boot
[04:09] <IdleOne> RAOF, at what time does the cron.daily perform ?
[04:09] <dwidmann> icanhasadmin: (issues with the new box perhaps)
[04:09] <RAOF> IdleOne: Dunno :)
[04:09] <IdleOne> :)
[04:09] <IdleOne> guess I'll find out
[04:10] <icanhasadmin> dwidmann: yeah... that's way too much to... yeah.. i'd never get through that. my suggestion is back up, full repartition/install
[04:11] <icanhasadmin> dwidmann: and try fdisk/mkfs instead of gparted
[04:11] <dwidmann> icanhasadmin: Will do ... I hope it helps .... might as well zero fill it again first, it'll only take about a half hour ........ alright, fdisk it is
[04:12] <dwidmann> icanhasadmin: or rather than zero filling the whole thing,  I suppose I could just do the first 50 or so meg of each partition, that oughta do the trick
[04:12] <icanhasadmin> wait
[04:12] <icanhasadmin> ...
[04:12] <icanhasadmin> i'm confused.. why are you zero filling?
[04:13] <dwidmann> icanhasadmin: just to make sure there's nothing "leftover", sometimes things have gotten confused (the hardy alternate did, for example, when I went to configure encrypted volumes)
[04:14] <icanhasadmin> dwidmann: i've played with many drives. i've never had that issue.. if you delete all the partitions with fdisk and make some new ones... shouldn't be an issue
[04:15] <RAOF> dwidmann: sudo dd if=/dev/urandom of=/dev/sda (not a good idea!)
[04:17] <r0bby> icanhasadmin: NICE nick!
[04:18] <dwidmann> RAOF: any specific reasons?
[04:18] <icanhasadmin> r0bby: ... ? actually it's sort of dumb but thanks.
[04:29] <r0bby> no it's cute :)
[04:35] <DanaG> WTF?  Tapping is enabled!
[04:35] <DanaG> I've explicitly DISABLED it!
[04:35] <DanaG> WTF?
[04:36] <icanhasadmin> DanaG: you seem upset.
[04:36] <DanaG> Yeah, it's not nice for things to randomly forget settings.
[04:36] <DanaG> My touchpad just randomly forgot that it's a touchpad.
[04:37] <Ava-> can someone point me to where I could find some docs on making haron autologin with a specific user and autorun an application?
[04:37] <dwidmann> icanhasadmin: repartitioned using cfdisk, now lets see if it worked .....
[04:37] <icanhasadmin> dwidmann: we can hope?
[04:38] <dwidmann> At least the computers fast ... I coudln't imagine how horrible it would be to go through all of this on a slow computer
[04:39] <icanhasadmin> heh
[04:39] <dwidmann> I've been at this for at least 6 hours now ....
[04:39] <DanaG> gsynaptics-init
[04:39] <DanaG> GSynaptics couldn't initialize.
[04:39] <DanaG> You have to set 'SHMConfig' 'true' in Xorg.conf or XFree86.conf to use GSynaptics
[04:40] <DanaG> WTF?  it IS true!
[04:40] <dwidmann> DanaG: calm down
[04:40] <IdleOne> DanaG, yes
[04:40]  * cwillu huggles DanaG 
[04:41] <DanaG> I see: the synaptics driver doesn't do hotplugging.
[04:41] <DanaG> If the device goes away, it loses all settings until the next time Xorg restarts.
[04:41]  * Goatz Hugs DanaG 
[04:42] <DanaG> Anyway, now I have to restart Xorg.
[04:42] <icanhasadmin> !X is your friend
[04:43] <Ava-> can someone point me to where I could find some docs on making haron autologin with a specific user and autorun an application?
[04:43] <Ava-> hardy I mean
[04:47] <cwillu> Ava-, it's the same as in gutsy and previous
[04:47] <cwillu> Ava-, admin | login window, there's an option in there to autologin, and then prefs | session to auto start an app
[04:51] <dwidmann> I hate how "scanning the mirror" takes forever with no indication of progress :(
[04:52] <DanaG> AAArgh, something randomly trampled on my xorg.conf!
[04:53] <DanaG> I have it backed up, but still, it shouldn't randomly disappear like that.
[04:54] <dwidmann> A system where things didn't randomly disappear .... what would be the fun in that?
[04:55]  * dwidmann crosses his fingers and reboots his desktop
[04:55] <icanhasadmin> DanaG: I've never experienced anything like that with my xorg
[04:56] <hrlr> Anyone here having problems with DHCP?
[04:57] <hrlr> It appears that in my instance of Hardy it isn't sending all appropriate data when establishing an IP address and is withholding the my system's hostname.
[04:59] <dwidmann> icanhasadmin: wow, that flows deep into the realm of wtf .... It said no boot device found, so I fired up the kubuntu live and selected boot from first hard disk, grub comes up, but hd0 was no joy..... seems it randomly became hd2 or hd3, I forget which. Seems to be booting okay from here ...
[05:00] <icanhasadmin> dwidmann: actually, THAT i've seen before.
[05:01] <DanaG> Well, now back to a WORKING one.  Now I'll stop griping about it (or at the very least, pipe it into /dev/null).
[05:01] <icanhasadmin> ha
[05:02] <dwidmann> icanhasadmin: so have I on my old desktop that this one is replacing. I've not seen it fail to boot at all before though without the aid of going to a live cd and saying boot from first hard disk though, this is new
[05:02] <DanaG> What's a good backup app that'll let me keep multiple snapshots over time, and hardlink anything that's unchanged?
[05:03] <icanhasadmin> yeah a little odd i suppose.. you won't know how to edit your menu.lst without knowing which hd lol
[05:03] <dwidmann> icanhasadmin: yeah .... what bugs me about it though is that it didn't boot it by itself, I had to go into a live cd (well, dvd) and say boot from first hdd
[05:04] <icanhasadmin> dwidmann: you couldn't "e" for edit in grub and change it manually to boot?
[05:04] <dwidmann> icanhasadmin: I coudln't even get to grub
[05:04] <dwidmann> icanhasadmin: system said no boot devices were found
[05:04] <icanhasadmin> ... wha?
[05:04] <Ava-> guys I configured gdm.conf to autologin a user.. well it works but when I autologin I get a HUGE resolution
[05:05] <Ava-> if I manually login the same user that doesn't happen
[05:05] <Ava-> what gives?
[05:05] <dwidmann> icanhasadmin: I'm goinng to be removing the other drives (intended to to begin with, but I have some stuff I need to do with them first before I pull them out, seeing as I might be finding a new owner for my old desktop), and I hope that might resolve this issue
[05:05] <icanhasadmin> Ava-: that's the curse that is put on people who configure gdm.conf, it's an ancient spell cast on those who want to auto login.
[05:06] <Ava-> =(
[05:07] <icanhasadmin> Ava-: did you check the resolution in xorg.conf?
[05:08] <icanhasadmin> sometime's when there's multiple resolutions in screens it picks them at random
[05:08] <rust> Ava-, I had something similar before, which was to do with DPI.
[05:09] <rust> Ava-, gnome-session would set it correctly once you log in but X botches it.
[05:13]  * cwillu giggles slightly
[05:13] <Ava-> ica: it works fine when the user is manually logged in
[05:13] <Ava-> xorg is fone
[05:14] <Ava-> fine*
[05:17] <AngryElf> so is lirc broken for amd64 in beta4?
[05:19] <DanaG> giggling? about what?
[05:21] <cwillu> Ava-, but I can giggle about you DanaG if you want :p
[05:22] <cwillu> DanaG, I think git's actually been notable for being faster than hardlinked approaches (it will do a hardlink if you want, but that's more for multiple local repos)
[05:24] <DanaG> Hmm.  Anyway, the end result I want is like Apple's new thingy in Leopard (it's not new -- I'm sure there've been ways to do that long before they came out with thier thingy), but theirs is the one that's instantly recognizable.
[05:24] <DanaG>   (oh, and I was deliberately not naming "Time Machine"
[05:24] <DanaG> )
[05:25] <Ava-> cwillu: do you know how to autolaunch a program after login?
[05:25] <cwillu> Ava-, depends on the environment;  xfce has autostarted-applications in one of the menus, gnome uses preferences|sessions
[05:27] <DanaG> Oh yeah, I forgot to mention: I want it to cover my whole drive, not just my user profile.
[05:27] <dwidmann> cwillu: , Ava-, and kde has ~/.kde/Autostart :)
[05:27] <orbisvicis> and theres /etc/gdm ~/.Xinitrc ~/.Xsession
[05:28] <DanaG> So, what are some good backup apps that'll do what I want?
[05:28]  * cwillu slaps orbisvicis for suggesting /etc/gdm/* for launching apps in a desktop environment, and for mentioning both of .Xinitrc and .Xsession without any guidance to pick between them, especially as the gui tools work well enough :p
[05:29] <cwillu> whew, that was a mouthful
[05:29]  * orbisvicis is impressed by that mouthful
[05:29] <cwillu> and rightfully so :D
[05:30]  * orbisvicis rubs a stinging cheek
[05:31] <orbisvicis> why doesnt ubuntu have .gnomerc ?
[05:32] <orbisvicis> and where do the gnome preferences get stored ?
[05:33] <cwillu> all over the place;  ~/gconf*/ mostly
[05:34]  * orbisvicis is tired too
[05:34] <orbisvicis> i meant, the gnome session preferences
[05:35] <cwillu> make that ~/.g*/
[05:35] <orbisvicis> heh
[05:36] <DanaG> I still can't find what I'm looking for in backups.
[05:36] <DanaG> At least, not in any easy-to-use and un-boggy way.
[05:36] <RAOF> dwidmann: Oh, that's not a good idea because it will blow away all of your data on the drive in a way that makes it near-impossible to recover.
[05:38] <orbisvicis> how to make an exact duplicate of a partition to file ?
[05:38] <orbisvicis> dd? any other ways ?
[05:39] <orbisvicis> (then tar it)
[05:39] <cwillu> orbisvicis, dd works, I usually pipe it through gzip first
[05:39] <cwillu> tarring it won't accomplish anything, it's already a single file :p
[05:39] <orbisvicis> ah
[05:39] <dwidmann> RAOF: yeah, that's the general idea
[05:40] <Ava-> cwillu I'm using gnome and compiz how would I go about autolaunching an app?
[05:40] <cwillu> Ava-, Preferences | Session
[05:40] <Ava-> from the gui itself
[05:40] <orbisvicis> cwillu, how bad an idea is it to just copy files from one partition into a tar ?
[05:40] <cwillu> Ava-, ?
[05:41] <dwidmann> RAOF: backed everything up that I needed onto my laptop and some of it on one of my other hard drives, and nuked the contents of the drive (using /dev/zero it went at about 70MB/s with BS=4096)
[05:41] <cwillu> orbisvicis, you can do it, although you probably want some args to make sure it doesn't get too confused
[05:42] <Ava-> I got it
[05:42] <Ava-> thansk
[05:42] <Ava-> thanks
[05:42]  * DanaG uses dd_rescue so it'll auto-adjust block size.
[05:42] <DanaG> I never did manage to figure out optimal block size on my own.
[05:42] <DanaG> Plus, dd_rescue updates speed info continuously.
[05:43] <dwidmann> DanaG: 4096 seems to work pretty well, lower block sizes seemed to slow it down and I tried once with 8192 and it actually slowed it down slightly
[05:43] <DanaG> Dang, now I still need help choosing a backup app.
[05:46] <DanaG> Any input on backup stuff?
[05:46] <cwillu> DanaG, I just use git and rsync myself
[05:48] <CarlFK> I need to pick which sata card to use: I have Silicon Image and VIA - either one of those good/bad?
[06:02] <corevette> what is the difference between OOXML and ODF? i know OOXML=microsoft and ODF=sun
[06:03] <RAOF> corevette: It's probably easier to list their similarities than their differences.
[06:03] <Flannel> corevette: ODF isn't sun.
[06:03] <Rob125> Biggest difference is that OOXML contains binary blobs of untranslateable text, afaik.
[06:04] <kgoetz> Rob125: those are two problems
[06:04] <Flannel> corevette: Well, nevermind, I guess they were the forebearers
[06:05] <kgoetz> OOXML is also developed by a single vender behind doors, its optomised (if you can use that word) for teh USA, it includes references to external (proprietary/closed) documents for key formatting
[06:05] <kgoetz> etc etc
[06:05] <RAOF> And </wordBreakLikeWord95> tags, and such.
[06:05] <Flannel> kgoetz: regardlesss of the feel-good factors, OOXML is unimplementable.
[06:06] <kgoetz> Flannel: absolutely
[06:06] <dwidmann> here's a difference (stated plainly) - ODF is actually open
[06:06] <kgoetz> and its not freely usable either
[06:06] <Flannel> er, I guess corevette, but still.
[06:07] <AutoMatriX> hi folks, stylus is not working on my tablet PC, so I had to reinstall Feisty ... how can I know if I upgrade to Hardy I will not have the same problem ?
[06:07] <kgoetz> you cant
[06:07] <RAOF> AutoMatriX: You don't, unless you try.
[06:07] <RAOF> AutoMatriX: Trying can be easy, if you use the LiveCD.
[06:07] <dwidmann> AutoMatriX: worst case scenario you just have to reinstall feisty again
[06:08] <corevette> so, do you think Sun or whoever will still develop ODF?
[06:08] <kgoetz> ODF is under continual revisison
[06:10] <AutoMatriX> RAOF, dwidmann tx for honest anwers ... but can I upgrade from feisty to hardy without reinstalling gutsy ? otherwise I'l have the same problem, for sure
[06:11] <dwidmann> AutoMatriX: probably have to upgrade through gutsy to hardy, or use the disc
[06:11] <RAOF> AutoMatriX: You can't upgrade while skipping releases.  You need to go Feisty->Gutsy->Hardy (with the exception of the supported Dapper->Hardy upgrade)
[06:11] <AutoMatriX> so I guess I'll be in the same troubles again :(
[06:12] <RAOF> AutoMatriX: Although it's by no means certain that going through Gutsy will break your stylus.  It's possible that bug was fixed.
[06:12] <RAOF> Handy hint: test now, while there's still a slim chance that if the bug is still there, it can be fixed before release!
[06:12] <Rob125> AutoMatriX: Using the livecd to check won't necessitate you update, though, because it runs entirely from the CD
[06:12] <DanaG> ANother hint: back up xorg.conf.
[06:12] <Rob125> Good hint, DanaG >_>
[06:12] <Rob125> I'd have done well to listen to that one.
[06:12] <AutoMatriX> RAOF not as far as I could read :( seems to be a kernel problem
[06:13] <DanaG> Just today, I found mine randomly trampled upon, without notification of that happening.
[06:13] <RAOF> AutoMatriX: And since we're using a new kernel, it may well be fixed.
[06:13] <AutoMatriX> DanaG, thanx to you, I already sent my xorg.conf to 2 different mailboxes :D
[06:14] <RAOF> AutoMatriX: Again, the chance that it _is_ fixed is greatly enhanced by telling someone who can do something about it.  This means: test Hardy, and file a bug if it doesn't work.
[06:15] <AutoMatriX> RAOF, will do, as soon as I get a new pack of CD's .... I burt last one yesterday
[06:16] <jast-mxm> i'm using 8.04 w/ kde4 (already tried $kubuntu-kde4 w/ no responses) but when i open multiple txt files in kate they open in new windows rather than in the same one, anyone know how to change that
[06:16] <DanaG> Argh, is there NO backup app that has a "Don't cross filesystem boundaries" option?
[06:16] <DanaG> Argh!
[06:16] <RAOF> DanaG: Doesn't rsync have a --one-filesystem option?
[06:16] <dwidmann> jast-mxm: umm, one sec, I have an idea
[06:16] <DanaG> Yeah, but I want a GUI of some sort.
[06:17] <Amaranth> RAOF: dude, automatix got uploaded to universe
[06:17] <crdlb> :O
[06:17] <DanaG> sbackup doesn't seem to do hardlinking.
[06:17] <dwidmann> jast-mxm: try changing your launcher for kate in the menu to use the -u option
[06:18] <jast-mxm> dwidmann: how do i do that, i can't right click on it to change
[06:18] <RAOF> Amaranth: Yeah, I saw.
[06:18] <dwidmann> ack, forgot about that jast-mxm, one sec
[06:18] <RAOF> That jdong, eh?
[06:18] <DanaG> Argh, is there NO such app?
[06:18] <Amaranth> RAOF: Indeed.
[06:18] <jast-mxm> dwidmann, heh i wish they kept that >.<
[06:18] <Amaranth> DanaG: Easy to use GUI apps are used by people that don't have multiple file systems :P
[06:18] <kgoetz> Amaranth: does that mean it only breaks your system some times now?
[06:18] <corevette> (i'm sorry back to ODF v. OOXML) why did KDE vote FOR OOXML? http://dot.kde.org/1207000153/
[06:18] <Amaranth> kgoetz: that means look at the calendar
[06:19] <DanaG> That's not quite true.
[06:19] <DanaG> Think of users who have their media on their Windows partitions.
[06:19] <kgoetz> Amaranth: oh right
[06:19] <DanaG> You don't want to end up taking the entire Windows filesystem with you.
[06:19] <dwidmann> jast-mxm: it'll probably be readded soon, I hope.
[06:19] <DanaG> At least, I don't.  I want Windows apps to handle backup for Windows.
[06:19] <jast-mxm> me too because it is very annoying
[06:19]  * Amaranth goes back to listening to carmack explain megatexture
[06:19] <kgoetz> corevette: this whole thing is really OT for here
[06:19] <corevette> OT?
[06:19] <RAOF> corevette: Again, timestamping is your friend.
[06:20] <dwidmann> jast-mxm: try launching /usr/lib/kde4/bin/kmenuedit
[06:20] <kgoetz> RAOF: not on that page though
[06:20] <kgoetz> KDE Office Suite Posted by Jonathan Riddell on Monday 31/Mar/2008, @14:49
[06:20] <kgoetz> corevette: off topic
[06:20] <Rob125> lmao, corevette
[06:21] <Rob125> "We have studied the standard hard and many changes have been made to it," said KDE's Supreme Leader Aaron Seigo "and following a $10,000 donation from an anonymous North American source we realised the market should decide the best formats to use, not technical bureaucrats".
[06:21] <corevette> oh.....nevermind
[06:21] <corevette> :-)
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[06:21] <kgoetz> corevette: :)
[06:21] <Amaranth> just turn off your computer and come back in 3 days
[06:21] <corevette> all featured videos on youtube leak to rickroll :-)
[06:21] <Amaranth> hahaha
[06:21]  * corevette loves April Fools Day
[06:22]  * RAOF loves chocolate
[06:22] <Rob125> oh, hell
[06:22] <Rob125> it's april fool's day?
[06:22] <RAOF> Send me chocolate!
[06:22] <Rob125> damn!
[06:22] <Rob125> I have nothign planned!
[06:22] <jast-mxm> dwidmann: /usr/lib/kde4/bin/kate -u     is what i have but same result
[06:22] <dwidmann> jast-mxm: hmmmm
[06:23] <jast-mxm> rather it is kate -i *percent sign*U
[06:23] <RAOF> Other donations gratefully accepted include a laptop that doesn't overheat and shutdown all the frikkin time.
[06:23] <dwidmann> jast-mxm: do you open the files at the same time (ie: with that command in a shell) or do you pull them up one at a time in a gui?
[06:23] <kgoetz> raof and XO laptops which dont take 5 minutes to load a page
[06:24] <jast-mxm> dwidmann: one at a time
[06:24] <jast-mxm> kind of as i need them i open them
[06:25] <dwidmann> jast-mxm: one sec, I'm seeing how it behaves for me
[06:25] <jast-mxm> thanks
[06:27] <DanaG> Argh, dirvish might also work...... but it has really hideous configuration.
[06:27] <dwidmann> jast-mxm: well, I launched them seperately with kate -u in the app launcher and it behaved okay .... Did you have to change that/those .desktop files? I'm better there are two if you have both the KDE3 and the KDE4 one installed, anyhow, if you made a change to them from their default, you might have to log out/log back in for it to take effect
[06:28] <DanaG> "faubackup" would work for me, but I don't remember how to cron it.
[06:28] <RAOF> Configuration is for the weak.  Real men hardcode their particular into the bowels of their apps.
[06:28] <jast-mxm> dwidmann: i just did it from the menu editor and they are .php files
[06:29] <dwidmann> jast-mxm: but after making the changes, you *probably* have to log out for it to take effect is what I'm saying .... try it
[06:29] <jast-mxm> ok
[06:29] <DanaG> Still, nothing there has an easy-to-find option for "don't cross filesystems"
[06:29] <jast-mxm> dwidmann: thanks brb
[06:33] <jast-mxm> dwidmann: hurrah ty
[06:33] <dwidmann> jast-mxm: no problem
[06:34] <jast-mxm> dwidmann: lol works w/ dolphin but when opening files from kftpgrabber i have the same issue, need to find where it calls kate and can probably fix that
[06:35] <dwidmann> jast-mxm: is it a kde3 app? if it is, it might be opening a different kate and/or usiing a different .desktop file to launch it with
[06:36] <jast-mxm> hmm
[06:36] <jast-mxm> possibly
[06:38] <jast-mxm> any idea how to locate that?
[06:39] <dwidmann> jast-mxm: funny you should word it that way, the locate command might be a good start actually :D
[06:40] <jast-mxm> hah, but i'm not sure what i am looking for just any .desktop file?
[06:40] <jast-mxm> dwidmann: probably just happy hunting at this point
[06:41] <dwidmann> jast-mxm: maybe locate kate | grep desktop or something
[06:42] <jast-mxm> dwidmann: nothing under kde directories, just kde4
[06:45] <dwidmann> jast-mxm: can you tell if its launching the kde3 kate or the kde4 kate?
[06:47] <jast-mxm> dwidmann: no, i don't know how to tell that
[06:47] <dwidmann> !!!!
[06:47] <dwidmann> KDM april fools day edition is hilarious!!
[06:47] <jast-mxm> dwidmann: can tell you in just a bit
[06:48] <Rob125> yeah, we just discussed that a minute or two ago, dwidmann
[06:49] <dwidmann> Rob125: guess I missed that
[06:50] <jast-mxm> dwidmann: using 3
[06:51] <jast-mxm> dwidmann: launches kate in kde4 but kftpgrabber is using kde3
[06:56] <jast-mxm> dwidmann: so if kftpgrabber uses kde3 but launches kate in kde4 think there is a way to fix it
[06:56] <DanaG> I've booted Windows, to back that up, at the very least.
[06:57] <dwidmann> jast-mxm: I have kde4 use a seperate color scheme to make it easier to tell the difference ... helps
[07:02] <jaffarkelshac> when i right click on files, there is a option to encrypt how do i use this
[07:04] <jaffarkelshac> when i right click on files, there is a option to encrypt how do i use this
[07:05] <dwidmann> this is odd ..... this processor is clocked to 2.5GHz, yet /proc/cpuinfo says it's only at 2GHz
[07:06] <RAOF> dwidmann: CPU scaling?
[07:06] <dwidmann> I don't think it's being throttled .... mmmm
[07:06]  * dwidmann double checks before going crazy
[07:06] <jbroome> jaffarkelshac: keep asking.  maybe it's like beetlejuice
[07:07] <RAOF> Dear nvidia: _please_ don't make me hurt you.  I'd like my windows to be rendered, uncorrupted, on _both_ heads, thanks.
[07:07] <jaffarkelshac> jbroome, i think its too early not one seems to be in here
[07:07] <dwidmann> RAOF: /proc/acpi/processor/CPU[0-3] say current state is T0 (100%)
[07:08] <RAOF> dwidmann: Then cpuinfo is marking you down for being a lucky git with a quad-core processor :P
[07:08] <dwidmann> RAOF: :D
[07:08] <dwidmann> RAOF: put her together the day before yesterday actually
[07:08] <RAOF> In which case: does your BIOS believe you've got a 2.5GHz chip in there?
[07:09] <dwidmann> RAOF: indeed it does.
[07:10] <dwidmann> wait a minute, am I going back and forth between my desktop and my laptop again :S
[07:10] <jbroome> doofus :P
[07:10] <dwidmann> Hmm, yes and no
[07:11] <dwidmann> jbroome: that's "sleep deprived" "doofus" to you.
[07:11] <RAOF> Surprisingly enough, "bzr log | les" doesn't do anything interesting.
[07:11] <RAOF> Although I'm sure Les is interested.
[07:12] <dwidmann> In any case, /proc/cpuinfo and /proc......./throttling are still lying ..... I blame powernowd.
[07:13] <dwidmann> What command would I use to control the throttling through powernowd?
[07:16] <dwidmann> d'oh
[07:26] <savvas> MEDUbuntu for medics is out: http://tinyurl.com/3ax2a6 :)
[07:34] <pen> how do I scroll in screen? I mean the screen in terminal
[07:34] <pen> like if I issue screen -DRR
[07:34] <pen> I can't scroll in it
[07:35] <kgoetz> pen: use copy mode to scroll
[07:35] <pen> how?
[07:35] <pen> what do you mean by copy mode?
[07:36] <savvas> pen: scroll and which app?
[07:36] <pen> terminal
[07:36] <pen> if I use screen -DRR
[07:36] <pen> I can't scroll
[07:37] <kgoetz> pen: press escape, it says 'copy mode', press page up/down
[07:37] <kgoetz> press escape again to resume normal mode
[07:37] <pen> it does nothing when I press esc
[07:37] <kgoetz> sorry, ctrl+a escape
[07:38] <kgoetz> like other screen commands
[07:38] <pen> I see
[07:38] <pen> cool
[07:38] <pen> but is there a workaround?
[07:38] <savvas> nice, didn't know that
[07:38] <savvas> I was expecting an april fool's day :P
[07:38] <kgoetz> workaround?
[07:38] <pen> not used to this kind of scrolling
[07:38] <kgoetz> savvas: some people are simply genuine :P
[07:39] <kgoetz> pen: the #gnu or #screen places may help. thats how i've always done it
[07:39] <pen> thx
[07:40] <owen1> i try use virtualbox and get error: virtualbox kernel driver not installed.
[07:40] <pen> btw, is there any alternatives to screen?
[07:40] <pen> I use screen just for cmatrix
[07:40] <pen> :p
[07:40] <owen1> is it risky to do this: sudo apt-get install linux-headers-$(uname -r)   ?
[07:40] <pen> so I will execute cmatrix when idle for a certain time
[07:40] <pen> *it
[07:40] <savvas> owen1: virtualbox-ose or virtualbox?
[07:41] <owen1> savvas: ose. the one from synaptic
[07:41] <kgoetz> not aware of a screen alternative
[07:41] <owen1> savvas: what's the difference?
[07:42] <savvas> owen1: well virtualbox from the .org is proprietary, but you've got everything in the package :)
[07:42] <owen1> savvas: got it. going there now...
[07:42] <pen> whatever, I will get used to it :p
[07:43] <savvas> owen1: select the gutsy package and install it
[07:43] <owen1> ok
[07:48] <DanaG> Heh, finally figured it out: it looks like "backup ninja" will do what I want.
[07:52] <virtuald> hora@leksak:~$ LC_MESSAGES=C whois thepiratebay.org
[07:52] <virtuald> getaddrinfo(whois.publicinterestregistry.net): Servname not supported for ai_socktype
[07:52] <virtuald> why do i get this?
[07:52] <virtuald> got it with gutsy too
[08:06] <MistaGee> I'm currently having issues with alsa in ubuntu hardy... whenever a program tries to list up the available devices and/or PCMs, it hangs completely and can't be killed. has anyone experienced this before?
[08:11] <RAOF> MistaGee: That's pretty cool.  No, I haven't seen that behaviour.
[08:12] <MistaGee> I don't quite agree, as I can't use amarok or mumble anymore ;)
[08:13] <DanaG> MistaGee: Sounds like you've had a kernel oops.
[08:13] <DanaG> That's the only thing I can think of that'd give that behavior.
[08:13] <MistaGee> someone in #ubuntu guessed on a hda-intel problem, which could be as I have such a card
[08:26] <testi> I have trouble logging in to a samba share with konqueror with ubuntu while it works with debian. It always asks again for the login information. But that behaviour is nonsense because it doesn't display an error.
[08:37] <savvas> if someone adds 25 hard drives, what will the /dev of the 25th be? /dev/sdaa ?
[08:39] <Homere> hello
[08:39] <Homere> hello. Got an issue with Ubuntu 8.10 amd64 desktop.  Sometimes my session starts, I can launch programms (Firefox, thunderbird, terminal) and then .... got "connection refused to 0.0" and I can't starts X apps anymore
[08:57] <MistaGee> jussio1, playback works the way it is now
[08:58] <MistaGee> it's just that listing the devices freezes completely
[08:59] <tanner> erm wth
[09:24] <savvas> "GNUStep Preferred license: WTF Public License, Version 2" - wtf hehe
[09:29] <flavia> hi, what's the correct way of installing the nvidia drivers on kubuntu hardy?
[09:29] <awalton__> savvas, the wtfpl is an awesome license
[09:29] <MilhousePunkRock> flavia: sudo apt-get install nvidia-glx[-new/-legacy], the part in [brackets] depending on your card
[09:30] <flavia> MilhousePunkRock: tnx
[09:31] <savvas> awalton__: so i see, so i see :)
[09:31] <MilhousePunkRock> flavia: Are you looking for a special version of the driver?
[09:32] <flavia> MilhousePunkRock: no, I think I used the nvidia-glx-new in the past and it worked
[09:32] <MilhousePunkRock> flavia: Probably you could also use the restricted-manager, I think it's called "jockey" in Hardy...
[09:33] <hischild> savvas, lolwtf?
[09:33] <hischild> link?
[09:34] <awalton__> http://sam.zoy.org/wtfpl/
[09:37] <savvas> hischild: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/WTF_Public_License http://code.google.com/soc/2008/hurd/about.html
[09:37] <savvas> :)
[09:39] <hischild> haha ncie
[09:42] <ccooke> An excellent choice for the Hurd, yes...
[09:44] <sidis405> hello
[09:45] <MilhousePunkRock> !hi | sidis405
[09:46] <sidis405> hi MilhousePunkRock
[09:46] <sidis405> finally installed hardy-
[09:46] <sidis405> looking good- having 2 problems though-
[09:46] <MilhousePunkRock> sidis405: Actually I was trying to trigger the bot to give you a nice welcome message, but it seems that does not work in this channel..
[09:46] <MilhousePunkRock> sidis405: Go ahead...
[09:47] <sidis405> ah thanks mate :D
[09:47] <sidis405> 1. the wifi was very unstable
[09:47] <sidis405> so switched from NM to wicd which seems to behave much better.
[09:47] <sidis405> still flakey-
[09:47] <MilhousePunkRock> sidis405: Was? Oh, I see... wicd is not a bad choice. I wonder why n-m is so much worse...
[09:48] <sidis405> and it's not that the signal is not strong enough. the AP i sitting right next to my desk.
[09:48] <MilhousePunkRock> sidis405: Depending on your setup, it could be very well worth spending 15 minutes to just configure it manually
[09:48] <sidis405> since i use it for wifi testing and all
[09:49] <MilhousePunkRock> sidis405: What chipset does your card have? My atheros-based card has (reports, at least) a very weak reception...
[09:49] <sidis405> perhaps true yes.
[09:49] <flavia> heh, is it normal to have a unicorn as wallpaper after installing the nvidia driver? :)
[09:50] <MilhousePunkRock> flavia: You updated kubuntu-default-settings...
[09:50] <MilhousePunkRock> Look at the changelog: http://changelogs.ubuntu.com/changelogs/pool/main/k/kubuntu-default-settings/kubuntu-default-settings_8.04-17/changelog
[09:50] <sidis405> so at this point maybe maybe maybe i'm contemplating if driverwise ndiswrapper would be a better choice
[09:51] <flavia> heh ok, sorry I'm a bit in hurry and can't read the whole thing, did it change anything else important?
[09:51] <MilhousePunkRock> sidis405: I have never had to deal with ndiswrapper, depends on your card very much. How weak is the reception? Do you loose the connection if you move to the farest possible distance?
[09:52] <sidis405> well, with nm, standing right by the ap had a mere 40%
[09:52] <sidis405> with wicd is usually around 70-80%
[09:53] <sidis405> but give it 20 mins it will simply drop like nothing.
[09:53] <sidis405> that includes the pci card and two usb ones-
[09:53] <sidis405> to be noted is that on the same laptop i run a ubuntu/winxp/backtrack3 triboot.
[09:54] <sidis405> with the other two all adapters seem very stable.
[09:56] <MilhousePunkRock> sidis405: I'd suggest to just stick with wicd until n-m grows up...
[09:57] <sidis405> fair enough. i think i'll do that.
[09:57] <MilhousePunkRock> sidis405: Or, if you do not need roaming, just configure it manually...
[09:57] <sidis405> and actually i was so optimistic since i got the restricted ati driver and deskttop effects to run properly.
[09:58] <MilhousePunkRock> sidis405: That's at least some improvement, isn't it...
[09:58] <sidis405> that will probably be the case-
[09:58] <sidis405> true true-
[09:58] <MilhousePunkRock> sidis405: So what was the second problem?
[09:58] <sidis405> never got 3d accel on that laptop with ubuntu
[09:58] <sidis405> he
[09:59] <sidis405> well, then i set up the libs like libdecss2 and on to playback dvd and avi's and the whole deal.
[09:59] <sidis405> the problem is that the graphics are a little fragmented-
[09:59] <marlun> Can I remove the borders around windows in compiz?
[10:00] <sidis405> and it's just the stream since the resta of the display is perfectly fluid and kosher-
[10:00] <MilhousePunkRock> sidis405: Since the legal status of that might vary depending on your location, I am not sure if it's ok to discuss this here... *cough* medibuntu *cough*
[10:01] <L33tMasta> Hey everyonr
[10:01] <MilhousePunkRock> sidis405: Did you check the file you are trying to play that it's ok? E.g. played it somewhere else?
[10:02] <L33tMasta> I'm having an issue with shutting down/ restarting causing my screen to bug out
[10:02] <sidis405> yah, it's my futurama cd's. been playin them fine even on gutsy the day before.
[10:02] <sidis405> including avi's divx and so on-
[10:02] <sidis405> the audio is fine though.
[10:03] <MilhousePunkRock> That might be related to the ATI driver...
[10:03] <dns53> well ubuntu does come with a script to build libdvdcss
[10:03] <sidis405> ran that.
[10:03] <sidis405> that's how i  got it to play in 1st place.
[10:03] <sidis405> damn.
[10:03] <aslan> Hey guys.. I just upgraded to Hardy and it's been great so far...
[10:04] <aslan> the only problem I have is I have a MX revolution mouse and when I middle click it pulls up the "Tracker Search Tool"
[10:04] <aslan> I have btnx installed and running ,which used to work, but doesn't appear to be anymore
[10:04] <aslan> anyone know how to disable the tracker on middle click?
[10:05] <MilhousePunkRock> aslan: How did you map the keys for the mouse? I have had great success with imwheel for my MX1000 lately...
[10:07] <L33tMasta> Now it causes the screen to flicker very fast, purple lines appear and green ones between them followed by red
[10:07] <aslan> MilhousePunkRock: I used btnx
[10:08] <aslan> haven't used imwheel before
[10:09] <sidis405> :p had to take a quick coffee break
[10:09] <sidis405> MilhousePunkRock: any idea about that 2nd problem?
[10:10] <MilhousePunkRock> aslan: For me it's the other way around, I have never heard og btnx before...
[10:10] <aslan> MilhousePunkRock: is there a good howto for imwheel?
[10:10] <MilhousePunkRock> sidis405: Not really. I never dealt with such things as DVD playback...
[10:10] <MilhousePunkRock> aslan: I used a German howto...
[10:10] <aslan> hrmmm.. ok I"ll google..
[10:11] <aslan> MilhousePunkRock: do you have the search wheel on your mouse?
[10:11] <aslan> err search button?
[10:11] <aslan> for middle click?
[10:11] <sidis405> fair enough- i think i'll remove the libs i installed for it and try to repeat the whole thing again.
[10:12] <shashi__> I have updated my desktop from 7.10 to 8.04. After upgrade is over, after rebooting my box, if i login  with my "user_name/password", my desktop still looking like 7.10, i am not seeing any new effects/behaviour. But if i login as "root" user, then i my desktop is having a new look and feel, a new wallpaper. What is wrong happening if i login as my "login-ID" . I believe this is because of some settings. Please anyone can help me ?
[10:12] <sidis405> the onl problem will be all the packets that shell script for css installed.
[10:13] <MilhousePunkRock> shashi__: You probably have edited some settings in 7.10, Hardy will keep those and only use defaults if you have before
[10:13] <MilhousePunkRock> shashi__: Try applying the default setting for everything you want to see defaulted...
[10:14] <dns53> shashi__ how about creating a new user, logging in as that and then as root copy all the . directories to your own user (remember to chown and chgrp the files)
[10:15] <shashi__> But what settings will cause this problem ? . The settings in Preference->Appearence ?
[10:16] <MilhousePunkRock> shashi__: Basically, everything you changed from default, will stay that way and not be overidden with the new defaults...
[10:16] <shashi__> Create a new user will create lot of problems for me, i have to copy/migrate  many things.
[10:17] <dns53> well most settings that effect how it looks are in gconf
[10:18] <MilhousePunkRock> shashi__: KDE has a "reset to defaults" buttons for all the options, doesn't Gnome have something similar too?
[10:20] <virtuald> does anyone else get a type mismatch warning when starting gnome-compiz-preferences?
[10:20] <virtuald> there's no bug report and i need help writing a useful one
[10:24] <shashi__> Is there any file/directory in Ubuntu which stores all desktop settings  ?,  If yes, and if i delete that file , after if i logout/login , i will get the new 8.10 look .
[10:25] <MilhousePunkRock> shashi__: It's probably something in ~/.gnome/
[10:26] <aslan> shashi__: yes you can remove ~/.gconf
[10:26] <shashi__> Ok, let me try .
[10:26] <MilhousePunkRock> shashi__: aslan probably knows it better than me
[10:26] <MilhousePunkRock> shashi__: I'd suggest renaming it instead of deleting though
[10:27] <shashi__> yes, i will take the backup
[10:27] <compwiz18> you might be able to select the new look from the appearance dialog
[10:33] <shashi__> Thank you all, deleting .gconf directory solved my problem. Thank you.
[10:35] <__doc__> howdy. I need some help with xorg.conf. It's automatically configured by ubuntu (Configured Monitor), but I need the exact modeline (for the second monitor that isn't recognized). Any idea how to get it?
[10:35] <compwiz18> __doc__: there is a modeline generator somewhere if you google for it
[10:35] <__doc__> nvidia-settings also doesn't help since it doesn't recognize the second monitors type either.
[10:36] <__doc__> compwiz18: the primary monitor apparently already has a perfectly working modeline... I just need to get it.
[10:36] <cpk1> iirc you shouldnt need modelines now
[10:36] <__doc__> cpk1: so how do you configure a non recognized monitor?
[10:36] <compwiz18> I never really needed them in Gutsy either
[10:36]  * __doc__ *shrugs*
[10:37] <__doc__> well, here's the conundrum in full:
[10:37] <__doc__> hardy doesn't recognize the second monitor
[10:37] <__doc__> if you enable option "TwinView" for the card, the second monitor gets a crap resolution and refresh rate.
[10:37] <savvas> __doc__: screens and graphics?
[10:37] <__doc__> and there's no way to change it by gui
[10:38] <__doc__> screens and graphics just shows one monitor
[10:38] <cpk1> __doc__: I think all you need nowadays is HorizSync and VertRefresh in Section "Monitor" and then in the screen section set the resolutions
[10:38] <savvas> gksu displayconfig-gtk
[10:38] <__doc__> a-ha!
[10:38] <savvas> oh
[10:39] <__doc__> savvas: no
[10:39] <cpk1> which one of us are you a-haing?
[10:40] <__doc__> nothing, I didn't know that screens and graphics is synonymous with displayconfig-gtk
[10:40] <savvas> you also have gnome-display-properties :)
[10:40] <__doc__> which also do not show the second monitor...
[10:40] <__doc__> (even though it's running and displaying now)
[10:41] <__doc__> the nvidia xserver settings tool isn't capable of setting the right resolution for the secondary monitor (on account of failing to identify it)
[10:41] <cpk1> __doc__: you set the HorizSync and VertRefresh and added modes that it can do as well and it didnt help?
[10:41] <__doc__> going to try that now.
[10:41] <DistroJockey> __doc__: maybe:  Xorg -configure   (type Xorg in a terminal for all options)
[10:41] <savvas> also try: sudo nvidia-xconfig --twinview
[10:42] <__doc__> savvas: that's not enough as it doesn't configure the second monitor and is the equivalent of putting option "TwinView" in there yourself.
[10:42] <DistroJockey> __doc__: backup xorg.conf first just incase it doesn't
[10:42] <savvas> I'd file a bug then :)
[10:42] <__doc__> DistroJockey: thx, but that's about the first thing I do always anyway before touching xorg.conf
[10:43] <DistroJockey> __doc__: nods :)
[10:43] <DistroJockey> __doc__: also maybe Xorg +xinerama
[10:43] <__doc__> DistroJockey: TwinView and xinerama are exclusive
[10:43] <NET||abuse> hmm, how do i merge cells horizontally in OOo without changing the allignment of the cells above/below? get text to go across 4 cells and then word wrap essentially without disturbing my table of data.
[10:43] <DistroJockey> __doc__: ahh, k
[10:43] <savvas> how about: sudo nvidia-xconfig --twinview --screen=0 && sudo nvidia-xconfig --twinview --screen=1
[10:43] <savvas> :P
[10:46] <DistroJockey> __doc__: actually, Xorg by itself does not display the options, but Xorg -configure does. Sorry
[10:47] <DistroJockey> Xorg -config  even :(
[10:48] <__doc__> I think the identification of the secondary display fails because the secondary display port on the card doesn't get the edid trough to X somehow (don't know if this is an nvidia intrinistic issue)
[10:49] <cpk1> nvidia edid i think typically isnt that great
[11:04] <oddchild> In 8.04 the program "cursor selection" does not change the cursor. You open and close it... that is about it...
[11:08] <Neillithan> Hi, I installed the latest beta of Ubuntu 8.04 and I used the alternate AMD64 CD.  Upon finishing the install, it says "no operating system detected" or whatever.   I just need to know what went wrong and how to fix t.
[11:10] <fromport> no psychic people around here ;-)
[11:10] <Neillithan> I am really starting to dislike Linux
[11:10] <Neillithan> the constant failure is really starting to boil my blood
[11:11] <Unksi> Neillithan: don't use beta software then.. you wont get an unfinished car from the factory either, right? :P
[11:11] <fromport> you've installed a BETA ...
[11:11] <Neillithan> Unksi: it's not beta, it's all linux distros
[11:11] <Neillithan> this happens with all linux distros
[11:11] <Neillithan> they freeze during installation
[11:12] <Unksi> guess theres something wrong with your hardware or there is a bug relating to them then
[11:12] <fromport> then you have another problem: do you an overclocked system ?
[11:12] <Neillithan> and besides, you're gonna be so thick as to say that an error message like "no operating system" is caused by beta software
[11:12] <void^> just install grub and make sure your bios is booting the right disk
[11:12] <fromport> memory timings to tight ? linux is another os then the one from redmond...
[11:13] <fromport> without more info from your side , how do you expect us to help you ?!
[11:13] <Neillithan> i'm running linux from the live cd right now. i think this rules out incompatible hardware.
[11:13] <fromport> you're unrealistic about this
[11:13] <DistroJockey> Neillithan: When you installed, what did you tell grub to do?
[11:13] <Neillithan> i can't respond to everyone fast enough
[11:13] <Lynoure> Neillithan: No, it does not. live cd does not touch your disks
[11:14] <Neillithan> DistroJockey: I am pretty sure I told grub to install. there weren't very many options.
[11:14] <Neillithan> DistroJockey: apparently i am missing the grub boot loader
[11:14] <Lynoure> Neillithan: it'd expect a fake raid might cause this, but I personally tend to stay clear of those.
[11:14] <Neillithan> Lynoure: a fake raid?
[11:15] <DistroJockey> Neillithan: nothing about installing to hd rather than partition?
[11:15] <Lynoure> Neillithan: it's a raid that is not a real hw raid, nor Linux sw raid
[11:15] <Neillithan> DistroJockey: i don't even recall i've installed it like 3 times now
[11:15] <Lynoure> Neillithan: they can take some trickery to work right. Many motherboards offer them.
[11:16] <Neillithan> DistroJockey: all I know is that grub appears to be nonexistent
[11:16] <Lynoure> Neillithan: have you tried with the alternate install cd yet?
[11:16] <compwiz18> Neillithan: how many hard drives do you have in your computer?
[11:17] <Neillithan> compwiz18: i have 2 harddrives.
[11:17] <DistroJockey> Neillithan: you could take a look at:  man grub-install
[11:17] <compwiz18> Neillithan: are they in any sort of a raid system?
[11:17] <Neillithan> Lynoure: the alternate cd is what i used to install ubuntu
[11:17] <Lynoure> Neillithan: oh, ok.
[11:17] <Neillithan> compwiz18: no
[11:17] <Neillithan> DistroJockey: what do I do?
[11:17] <dns53> what i would do is boot any cd, chroot to your new partition and run grub-install again
[11:18] <Neillithan> how do i run grub install?
[11:18] <compwiz18> you wouldn't even have to chroot, would you?
[11:18] <cpk1> maybe grub is on the wrong hard drive?
[11:18] <compwiz18> just installing grub would work?
[11:18] <compwiz18> Neillithan: is the hard drive you installed on bootable?
[11:18] <dns53> it is a command grub-install, you may need to change your grub config first
[11:18] <compwiz18> for instance, on my motherboard you can only boot from SATA ports 1 and 3
[11:18] <Neillithan> compwiz18: in bios, it is set to master and yes according to gparted, the ext3 partition has the boot flag
[11:19] <cpk1> and the jumper is correct?
[11:19] <Neillithan> jumper?
[11:19] <DistroJockey> Neillithan: compwiz18: good point there, might be worth to check: sudo fdisk -l    for the bootable flag
[11:19] <dns53> do you have a /boot partition?
[11:19] <Neillithan> probably not. lol
[11:19] <Neillithan> doh!
[11:20] <Neillithan> i guess that's kind of important?
[11:20] <compwiz18> you don't need one...
[11:20] <compwiz18> it's optional
[11:20] <dns53> there can be problems when the kernel is located past the 4gb boundry on the disk
[11:20] <compwiz18> although you do need a /boot
[11:20] <cpk1> oh wait, if its sata they dont use jumpers do they?
[11:20] <dns53> it can help but not essential
[11:20] <Neillithan> i don't really know. my harddrives are sata, yes
[11:20] <DistroJockey> cpk1:  nope, they don't
[11:21] <Neillithan> I have an additional 3 gigs of unpartitioned space. can i use this as the /boot partition without having to reinstall ubuntu?
[11:21] <dns53> you only need about 100mb
[11:21] <DistroJockey> Neillithan: /boot will be in / , I wouldn't worry
[11:21] <cpk1> Neillithan: sure, but its a waste of space if you go over 500 mB
[11:21] <Neillithan> ah
[11:22] <Neillithan> DistroJockey: yeah i have the boot folder in the main ext3 partition
[11:22] <dns53> best to make it the first partition if possible
[11:23] <Neillithan> i just discovered something.
[11:23] <DistroJockey> Neillithan: best bet is to try and install grub to the boot device
[11:23] <Neillithan> the main ext3 partition's mountpoint is set to /media/disk. does that matter?
[11:23] <DistroJockey> Neillithan: nope, that would be due to the live CD
[11:24] <Neillithan> DistroJockey: okay then. once again, how do i install grub to the boot device?
[11:24] <DistroJockey> Neillithan: sudo fdisk -l   will list drives and partitions
[11:24] <cpk1> Neillithan: what is the logical name of the hard drive ubuntu is on and what hard drive is grub trying to boot from?
[11:25] <Neillithan> cpk1: /dev/sdb1 is the name of the ext3 partition
[11:25] <Infecto> this white horse in kdm is a joke? :)
[11:25] <dns53> try using chroot or remount / to be /media/disk before running grub-install to make things easier
[11:25] <Neillithan> cpk1: and the boot folder is in the same partition
[11:25] <DistroJockey> dns53: nice tip there, didn't know that
[11:25] <MilhousePunkRock> Infecto: Happy April Fool's day... And it's a unicorn, actually
[11:25] <cpk1> Neillithan: if your other hard drive is sda then grub needs to be looking at hd1,0
[11:26] <DistroJockey> grub-install  "INSTALL_DEVICE can be a GRUB device name or a system device filename."
[11:26] <Neillithan> DistroJockey: it shows a * under boot for sda1 and sdb1. is that bad?
[11:26] <void^> depends on which drive the bios is trying to boot
[11:26] <Infecto> MilhousePunkRock: ;]
[11:27] <DistroJockey> Neillithan: hmm, not sure, probably should be ok
[11:27] <MilhousePunkRock> Infecto: It's even in the changelog for kubuntu-default-settings
[11:27] <DistroJockey> Neillithan: do you switch boot devices in BIOS ?
[11:27] <Neillithan> DistroJockey: not normally
[11:28] <DistroJockey> Neillithan: then I guess you can turn it off on the one you don't boot
[11:28] <cpk1> Neillithan: since grub is booting from the second hdd make sure it is actually using the second hdd, in /boot/grub/menu.lst it should be booting from hd1,X
[11:28] <void^> well, if the bios does indeed boot the 2nd disk sdb will be mapped to (hd0)
[11:29] <void^> but errors in menu.lst will result in reasonable error messages - "no os found" happens before grub even loads
[11:30] <Neillithan> well i'm confused :(
[11:30] <DistroJockey> I don't think what's in menu.lst is the issue atm, as it's not getting that far
[11:31] <compwiz18> Neillithan: if you boot into the bios, does it show you a list of hdds and their booting capabilities?
[11:31] <DistroJockey> Neillithan: maybe a google on grub install ubuntu will give some pointers?
[11:31] <Neillithan> compwiz18: yes. the smaller harddrive (the one ubuntu is installed on) comes first
[11:31] <dns53> you could try lilo or another option if grub does not work
[11:31] <compwiz18> hm
[11:31] <compwiz18> sounds like grub isn't installed
[11:31] <Neillithan> i agree
[11:32] <DistroJockey> me too :)
[11:32] <Neillithan> "How to restore Grub from a live Ubuntu cd."
[11:32] <Neillithan> i followed this, but it did not seem to work
[11:32] <DistroJockey> I assume  grub-install /dev/sdb  will do the job?
[11:32] <dns53> yes
[11:32] <DistroJockey> sudo'ing I assume also
[11:33] <Neillithan> DistroJockey: permission denied
[11:33] <DistroJockey> hehe
[11:33] <Neillithan> there i just tried but it says
[11:33] <Neillithan> "could not find device for /boot. not found or not a block device"
[11:34] <DistroJockey> Neillithan: still rusty on grub fixing here, never had to do it. Sorry
[11:34] <Neillithan> yeah it seems retarded.
[11:35] <void^> grub -> root (hd1,0) -> setup (hd1)
[11:35] <DistroJockey> Neillithan: what OS's do you run, or want to?
[11:35] <Neillithan> i normally run windows xp
[11:36] <Neillithan> void^: ?
[11:36] <DistroJockey> sudo grub, then root(hd1,0)   etc.
[11:37] <Neillithan> unrecognized command?
[11:37] <Neillithan> sorry i am bad at this
[11:37] <DistroJockey> root (hd1,0)  rather, sorry
[11:38] <DistroJockey> has a space
[11:38] <Neillithan> there that worked but
[11:38] <Neillithan> nothing happened
[11:38] <DistroJockey> that's fine, no news is good news
[11:38] <Neillithan> now what?
[11:38] <DistroJockey> setup (hd1)
[11:38] <Neillithan> succeeded it says
[11:39] <DistroJockey> give it a try now I guess
[11:39] <DistroJockey> good luck
[11:39] <Neillithan> allright thanks for help i'll be back hoefully :)
[11:39] <DistroJockey> nods :)
[11:39] <void^> that's assuming you actually do boot from the 2nd disk
[11:39] <DistroJockey> :)
[11:40] <DistroJockey> won't hurt to have it there atleast
[11:42] <rpedro> if the new CFS scheduler was meant to improve desktop interactivity, it fails miserably.
[11:42] <rpedro> anyone else agree?
[11:42] <dns53> it is better and was in gutsy wasn't it?
[11:42] <rpedro> no
[11:43] <rpedro> it's new since kernel 2.6.23
[11:43] <rpedro> and so far it is much much worse, unless of course it is something that won't be fixed until the hardy RC's
[11:43] <void^> it seems problems with it are not uncommon
[11:44] <Neillithan> well, the good news is-grub boot loader is working. the bad news is, i got an error
[11:44] <Neillithan> error 17: cannot mount selected partition
[11:44] <void^> yeah, that's probably due to issues in menu.lst now
[11:44] <DistroJockey> getting there :)
[11:44] <void^> replace (hd1 with (hd0 i guess
[11:44] <Neillithan> so repeat this process in terminal?
[11:44] <DistroJockey> this is where I watch and learn :)
[11:45] <Neillithan> can someone refresh my memory?
[11:45] <void^> repeat this process? what process?
[11:45] <dns53> press e in grub and play around with the boot parameters
[11:45] <Neillithan> well... how do i replace hd1 with hd0?
[11:46] <DistroJockey> edit menu.lst and change hd1 to hd0 void^ ?
[11:46] <void^> edit /boot/grub/menu.lst
[11:46] <void^> (that's on your /dev/sdb1 partition - mount it first)
[11:46] <Neillithan> lol
[11:48] <void^> (bbl)
[11:48] <DistroJockey> later void^
[11:48] <Neillithan> well editing that menu.lst is complicated
[11:49] <DistroJockey> Neillithan: what do you have on the root line?
[11:49] <Neillithan> where is that?
[11:50] <Neillithan> oh i've got 3 of them.
[11:50] <DistroJockey> ignore all lines that start with #
[11:50] <Neillithan> right
[11:50] <Neillithan> i have Ubuntu hardy (development branch), kernel 2.6.24-12-generic
[11:50] <Neillithan> Ubuntu hardy (development branch), kernel 2.6.24-12-generic (recovery mode)
[11:50] <Neillithan> and Ubuntu hardy (development branch), memtest86+
[11:50] <DistroJockey> firts one
[11:50] <DistroJockey> first^
[11:50] <Neillithan> (hd1,0)
[11:51] <DistroJockey> ok, that = the second hdd
[11:51] <Lynoure> Hmm, Adept shows "side-by-side" comparation of config files as one on top of each other. Huh
[11:51] <DistroJockey> Neillithan: try changing that to hd0
[11:51] <Neillithan> what about the ",0" ?
[11:51] <DistroJockey> keep that
[11:51] <Neillithan> do i change that for all 3?
[11:51] <DistroJockey> nah
[11:52] <Neillithan> wouldn't that mean, if this works, then the other 2 won't work?
[11:52] <DistroJockey> not yet anyway
[11:52] <Neillithan> oh allright
[11:52] <DistroJockey> nods
[11:52] <Neillithan> lol i don't have permission to save file ;X
[11:52] <Neillithan> must sudo!
[11:52] <DistroJockey> yup :)
[11:53] <DistroJockey> Lynoure: that's kind of silly
[11:53] <Lynoure> DistroJockey: Makes both of them impossible to read
[11:54] <Neillithan> DistroJockey: how do i get to the boot folder from terminal?
[11:54] <DistroJockey> Lynoure: can imagine
[11:54] <DistroJockey> Neillithan: cd /boot
[11:54] <Neillithan> right but there's no grub folder inside :(
[11:54] <DistroJockey> hmm
[11:54] <Neillithan> at least in terminal there isn't
[11:55] <Neillithan> nevermind i figured it out lol
[11:55] <Neillithan> i had to type "cd /"
[11:55] <DistroJockey> Neillithan: good :)
[11:56] <Neillithan> omfg
[11:56] <Neillithan> this is becoming rediculous
[11:56] <DistroJockey> Neillithan: probably should have mentioned this earlier, but you can do Alt+F2 in X and then type: gksudo gedit /boot/grub/menu.lst
[11:56] <DistroJockey> hehe
[11:57] <Neillithan> that opens a blank txt file
[11:58] <DistroJockey> you typed exactly?
[11:58] <Neillithan> rofl i'm going to hurt myself
[11:58] <Neillithan> menu.lst is located in /media/disk/boot/grub
[11:58] <DistroJockey> ahh, yeah, heh, do that one :)
[11:59] <Neillithan> w00t!
[11:59] <DistroJockey> :)
[12:00] <Neillithan> okay i edited the file. going to reboot now. wish me luck
[12:00] <DistroJockey> good luck
[12:04] <|Dreams|> is there a release date yet#/
[12:04] <Ramunas> hello, after latest update I can't set a resolution higher than 640x480
[12:04] <Ramunas> why is that?
[12:04] <dns53> 26th?
[12:04] <DistroJockey> 24th
[12:05] <|Dreams|> ok thanks will be sure to check it out towards end of the month
[12:05] <DistroJockey> :)
[12:07] <DistroJockey> Ramunas: what was updated?
[12:07] <Ramunas> DistroJockey, xorg was updated, and a bunch of other stuff
[12:07] <Ramunas> I'll try reconfiguring it
[12:08] <DistroJockey> Ramunas: update or upgrade 7.10 or earlier?
[12:08] <DistroJockey> yup, good idea
[12:08] <Ramunas> DistroJockey, yeah, I upgraded rom 7.10 a couple of weeks ago, this was just an update now
[12:08] <tomahasamoot> Is is safe to install kde4 from adept manager in kubuntu 8.04, or will that mess up kde3?
[12:08] <DistroJockey> Ramunas: ahh
[12:10] <Ramunas> brb
[12:10] <DistroJockey> tomahasamoot: no idea, I don't do KDE, and I don't think most of the people here do either
[12:11] <tomahasamoot> Kubuntu+1?
[12:11] <dns53> you can have both kde3 and kde4 they are independent
[12:11] <DistroJockey> tomahasamoot: if there is one, yeah, that would be better I think
[12:11] <tomahasamoot> nope
[12:12] <dns53> there are going to be 2 editions of kubuntu from what i have heard
[12:12] <Lynoure> tomahasamoot: they coexist, at least on my system, all nicely
[12:13] <tomahasamoot> are you on 8.04?
[12:13] <DistroJockey> ok, I was wrong about KDE people :) Sorry
[12:13] <tomahasamoot> np
[12:13] <Lynoure> tomahasamoot: not this minute, no
[12:14] <Lynoure> DistroJockey: Missed by Adept comment, it happens :)
[12:14] <Ramunas> no luck, xorg.conf doesn't even have 640x480 or 320x240
[12:14] <Lynoure> tomahasamoot: I still do most of my day-to-day stuff on 3.5.9
[12:14] <Ramunas> why doesn't it use my config then?
[12:15] <Ramunas> its like the resolution selection screen is doing everything on its own
[12:15] <dns53> Ramunas you do not need an xorg.conf for most things, you can still manually add resolutions if it does not detect them correctly
[12:15] <tomahasamoot> Lynoure: Yeah, I'm not expecting kde4 to work... I'm just hoping for a preview for whenever it does work...
[12:15] <Ramunas> dns53, where?
[12:15] <DistroJockey> Lynoure: ahh, true, no wonder I didn't know much about Adept :)
[12:16] <dns53> Ramunas well in the new xorg the conf file is optional, give me a sec i'll find my line in the config
[12:16] <Neillithan> DistroJockey: well, no luck.
[12:17] <Ramunas> dns53, I have this: Modes		"1024x768"	"800x600"
[12:17] <DistroJockey> Neillithan: :( sorry to hear
[12:17] <Neillithan> DistroJockey: it attempted to load ubuntu, but it was a black screen.
[12:17] <Ramunas> and it worked just fine yesterday
[12:17] <Neillithan> DistroJockey: but now i have another problem.
[12:17] <Lynoure> tomahasamoot: Certainly fun for that :)
[12:17] <Neillithan> DistroJockey: i attempted to restore my partition back to ntfs and put windows xp back on there, but the grub boot loader is still installled and it is not loading an OS
[12:17] <DistroJockey> Neillithan: you could try removing splash and quiet from the line you are booting
[12:18] <dns53> Ramunas well you can add the modes you want, or remove that line from the config, you can also run dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg or something like the nvidia tools
[12:18] <Neillithan> DistroJockey: is there a way to remove grub?
[12:18] <DistroJockey> Neillithan: you will probably need to run fixmbr from the xp recovery
[12:18] <Ramunas> dns53, that's the thing, I have all those modes in my xorg.conf, its just not looking at them
[12:19] <tomahasamoot> Lynoure: yeah, I don't know why they have a big party and call it done when it's not, guess they're shooting for an M$ reputation.
[12:19] <Neillithan> DistroJockey: oh i know how to do that
[12:19] <DistroJockey> and possibly fixboot
[12:19] <Ramunas> dns53, I mean the resolution selection screen only gives me two options 640x480 or 320x240
[12:19] <Ramunas> neither of which are in my xorg.conf
[12:19] <DistroJockey> Neillithan: sorry it didn't go well for you
[12:19] <dns53> Ramunas proprietary drivers can ignore that, use the nvidia tool if you have one of those cards
[12:20] <Neillithan> DistroJockey: just 1 step closer. i always have virtualbox
[12:20] <Lynoure> tomahasamoot: I don't take part in those discussions :)
[12:20] <DistroJockey> Neillithan: next time I would unplug all drives but the one you want Ubuntu on and go from there
[12:20] <Ramunas> dns53, do you happen to know how to launch it?
[12:20] <Neillithan> DistroJockey: that sounds like a good idea
[12:20] <Ramunas> and yes, I have an nvidia card
[12:21] <elmargol> did someone here buy the fluendo codec pack?
[12:21] <DistroJockey> Neillithan: later you can plug the working XP drive back in as a secondary and tell grub about it
[12:21] <Lynoure> tomahasamoot: You can certainly contribute, to help it get better. Even bug reporting helps.
[12:21] <lusepuster> Goodmorning - I upgraded to Hardy last night, and now, when using Compiz, GTK dropdown menus are invisible - but functional! KDE and Firefix menus work as normal
[12:21] <dns53> Ramunas nvidia-settings, it might be a separate package
[12:22] <DistroJockey> Neillithan: then you can boot to grub from your linux drive and boot either linux or windows
[12:22] <Neillithan> DistroJockey: i have an old ide harddrive that i can use to put linux on there by itself. then i can dual boot
[12:22] <dns53> elmargol bought it a while ago, what is the problem?
[12:22] <elmargol> dns53, do they work on hardy?
[12:22] <tomahasamoot> Since installing 8.04, I've noticed that tab completion doesn't work very well anymore... what's up, and any thot's on how to fix it?
[12:22] <DistroJockey> Neillithan: cool. If you can wait 23 days, that might be a good idea :)
[12:22] <Neillithan> DistroJockey: to be honest, i think my computer is incapable of running linux or vista. the only thing that actually installs is windows xp. sad huh?
[12:22] <Ng> tomahasamoot: install bash-completion
[12:23] <Neillithan> DistroJockey: what's even more sad is, i built my pc to be either linux / vista compatible.
[12:23] <DistroJockey> Neillithan: Ubuntu will $#!t all over Vista
[12:23] <DistroJockey> Neillithan: you'll get there
[12:23] <dns53> elmargol i have not tested it yet, i have bought the amd64 bit version and am on my eeepc which is i386
[12:24] <tomahasamoot> Ng: thank you, I'm surprized it's a seperate pkg that has to be installed
[12:24] <elmargol> somehow the gstreamer quicktime plugin sucks ass
[12:24] <Neillithan> DistroJockey: yup. well i am off to restore the master boot thingy
[12:24] <Neillithan> thanks once again for the help
[12:24] <Ramunas> dns53, that tool doesn't let me switch to any other resolution either
[12:24] <DistroJockey> Neillithan: all the best
[12:24] <DistroJockey> Neillithan: you're welcome
[12:25] <freddo> hello
[12:26] <freddo> what perl version comes with the 8.04? 5.8.8 or 5.10?
[12:26] <DistroJockey> This is perl, v5.8.8 built for i486-linux-gnu-thread-multi
[12:26] <adinc> when hardy release comes out what do i need todo in order to have my hardy beta up to date. will a apt-get dist-upgrade be enough?
[12:26] <Ramunas> dns53, also reconfiguring xorg didn't give me any options for my screen, only mouse and keyboard options, previously(on 7.10) it used to give me a bunch of screen settings
[12:26] <freddo> DistroJockey, ok, thanks
[12:27] <freddo> :(
[12:27] <DistroJockey> np :)
[12:27] <virtuald> anyone here using compiz and getting some gray drawing error on titlebars occasionally?
[12:27] <DistroJockey> virtuald: I'm guessing nvidia?
[12:28] <freddo> DistroJockey, i was wishing for 5.10... i hope there'll be some infos on how to install it, i'm eager to try it
[12:28] <DistroJockey> freddo: there is always a way :)
[12:28] <virtuald> yes
[12:29] <freddo> DistroJockey, yeah, i'd like to know more about linux...
[12:29] <DistroJockey> virtuald: thought so, as I'm on ati here and have no such grayness
[12:29] <dns53> Ramunas well i'm out of ideas myself, anyone else got ideas?
[12:29] <DistroJockey> freddo: ubuntuforums are a good start
[12:30] <tomahasamoot> Ng: I just looked and bash-completion is installed
[12:30] <DistroJockey> freddo: I like to learn by trial and error :)
[12:30] <tomahasamoot> I've still got my home home directory, could it be a problem with my old bash config files?
[12:31] <virtuald> http://bayimg.com/pajlIAAbE
[12:32] <DistroJockey> virtuald: can't see an image there
[12:33] <virtuald> me neither hehe
[12:33] <DistroJockey> hehe
[12:33] <freddo> DistroJockey, yes, i do the same, but sometimes i'm a little to wreck everything on my install, perhaps i should try to install vmware and try on a small system as a test?
[12:33] <virtuald> i'll try another service
[12:33] <freddo> s/little to wreck/little affraid to wreck/
[12:33] <DistroJockey> freddo: yeah, or have a separate hdd, even better
[12:34] <freddo> DistroJockey, another question: what is the best way, for now, to share a partition between windows and linux?
[12:35] <Suicidal_Failure> what do you mean "best way"?
[12:35] <virtuald> http://img90.imageshack.us/my.php?image=compizky8.png
[12:35] <dns53> freddo vfat partition is the lowest common denominator
[12:35] <DistroJockey> freddo: I'd go a shared FAT32 if security is not do much of a concern
[12:35] <freddo> DistroJockey, fat32 dont let files be bigger than 2G, ntfs hang when you have more than 64000 files in a directory
[12:36] <dns53> freddo try the ext3 driver from windows
[12:36] <cupcake> which app will allow me to check time for any time zone in the USA or in any country?
[12:36] <DistroJockey> freddo: that's what you get for pushing the limits ;)
[12:36] <freddo> dns53, there is one?
[12:36] <freddo> dns53, i mean do you have an url?
[12:36] <Suicidal_Failure> freddo, explore2fs
[12:36] <Suicidal_Failure> it works really well
[12:37] <DistroJockey> virtuald: see the issue, but can't help sorry
[12:37] <freddo> Suicidal_Failure, ok i found that, i will try it rigth now
[12:37] <scobby> why you dont fix that errors in /usr/bin/compiz for the path !! the path is /usr/local/bin/compiz. but the right path would be /usr/bin/compiz.real !!
[12:37] <virtuald> i'm trying to find someone with the same issue in the bug tracker but i don't know what to search for
[12:38] <dns53> freddo there are a few other options including some file system drivers that allow you to mount a partition. there are some other file systems out there too i believe
[12:38] <scobby> or is that only a problem at my laptop?
[12:38] <freddo> thanks for your help DistroJockey dns53 and Suicidal_Failure :) see you later probably
[12:38] <DistroJockey> freddo: np, yw, later
[12:38] <Suicidal_Failure> freddo, no worries
[12:38] <effie_jayx> is anyone exeriencing problems with b43-fwcutter. something along the lines of . card detecte but no scanning?
[12:39] <scobby> effie_jayx: i just solved that problem on hardy
[12:39] <freddo> dns53, i'd be willing to try anything that works, but ext3 seems a right choice, i have the user/group protections, and it let me have big files, and have more than 100k files per directories
[12:40] <scobby> effie_jayx: in the logs it says you have to surf to a webadress about the b43
[12:40] <freddo> i'll give it a try, bye
[12:40] <effie_jayx> scobby,  really? how?
[12:40] <scobby> effie_jayx: do that and search for b43legacy, on hardy the b43 legacy driver is used
[12:42] <virtuald> this might be related, from ~/.xsession-errors: /usr/bin/compiz.real (animation) - Error: Animation settings mismatch in "Animation Selection" list for Focus event.
[12:43] <dns53> freddo http://www.fs-driver.org/  is the one i used, there are other options if you google for it
[12:43] <effie_jayx> scobby,  got it... how do I remove the ones installed already
[12:43] <scobby> effie_jayx: only use the fwcutter and the b43legacy part
[12:43] <effie_jayx> ok
[12:43] <effie_jayx> I am downloading it atm
[12:47] <apollo13> Hi I am having a problem with sdl games, the sound is crackling al the time (except for wesnoth were I solved it by setting sampling rate to 20000); soundserver is pulse, alsa is redirected to pulse too; libsdl1.2debian-pulseaudio is installed; any ideas?
[12:49] <nosrednaekim> wow,i'm glad i'm a KDE4 user and don't have to bother woith this pulseaudio mess
[12:50] <apollo13> nosrednaekim: as a matter of fact, it doesn't seem to be pulse's fault, it happens with alsa on ubuntu 7.04 too.... btw pulse is great, really better than art imho
[12:51] <Suicidal_Failure> nosrednaekim, i'm downloading the kubuntu remix iso at present, is it good/
[12:51] <nosrednaekim> oh.. hehe, yes... hence why I said "KDE4" arts in kde3 is gorrible
[12:51] <nosrednaekim> *horrible
[12:51] <Suicidal_Failure> i concur
[12:52] <nosrednaekim> Suicidal_Failure: LOL.... very very good XD  tellme how you like the new color scheme
[12:52] <BalaamsMiracle> Could someone please tell me how to share a folder in Hardy? shares-admin has been replaced with nautilus-share, but i can't find any kind of menu, option or whatever to share anything over my LAN.
[12:52] <Suicidal_Failure> nosrednaekim, XD?
[12:52] <nosrednaekim> smilie
[12:53] <Suicidal_Failure> oh
[12:53] <Suicidal_Failure> heh
[12:53] <effie_jayx> scobby,  I installed etracted the legacy firmware. anything else?
[12:53] <scobby> nope, it should work
[12:53] <Suicidal_Failure> i was thinking "X Desktop" haha
[12:53] <nosrednaekim> Suicidal_Failure: right now, you are downloading a very special liveCD: https://wiki.kubuntu.org/HippyHorse/Omega/Kubuntu
[12:54] <virtuald> i've always wondered why microsoft made a windows version with a smiley as a name
[12:54] <nosrednaekim> haha
[12:55] <effie_jayx> scobby,  nothing here. I am going to see about starting b43 again
[12:55] <Suicidal_Failure> nosrednaekim, haha, but i'm not getting a daily unfortunately
[12:56] <nosrednaekim> awww :P
[12:56] <scobby> effie_jayx: its b43legacy. did you do a reboot?
[12:57] <effie_jayx> scobby,  no
[12:57] <effie_jayx> reboot then?
[12:57] <scobby> try
[12:59] <farkewie> Hi i installed ubuntu on partion then kubuntu on another, i want to get rid of kubuntu how do i go back to using the grub ubuntu installed?
[13:00] <dns53> chroot to the partition with ubuntu and run grub-install again, you could also remount / to the ubuntu partition
[13:01] <adinc> when hardy release comes out what do i need todo in order to have my hardy beta up to date. will a apt-get dist-upgrade be enough?
[13:01] <Pici> adinc: yep.
[13:01] <adinc> ok
[13:02] <elmargol> If I play a file using totem-xine and fast forward I get an error message that my audio device is busy... It works usign gstreamer how can this be?
[13:03] <nosrednaekim> adinc: dist-upgrade isn't neceesary even, a simple upgrade should do it as well (if not better)
[13:04] <adinc> nosrednaekim: what about the kernel?
[13:04] <nosrednaekim> you'll get the new kernel with that of course
[13:04] <adinc> what does the dist-upgrade differ then
[13:04] <farkewie> dns53: ok at the moment i am dual booting, so from ubuntu what do i need to do? i know i could do a full format but i really dont want to start again..
[13:06] <dns53> farkewie so you have 2 partions each have a linux distro installed on them, you first had ubuntu and then installed kubuntu on a second partition?
[13:06] <nosrednaekim> adinc: it affects the process of rmoving conflicting packages IIRC
[13:06] <farkewie> i do have some other partition as well but yes 2 with linux and i installed ubuntu first
[13:08] <dns53> farkewie ok you need to reinstall grub from the original linux install, you need to run the command grub-install to install the ubuntu version of grub, this is best done from the ubuntu file system ...
[13:08] <dns53> farkewie chroot /mnt/ubunu (or whatever it is) then run grub-install from that chroot
[13:09] <farkewie> dns53: i am in ubuntu at the moment it thatwhere i want to do this from?
[13:09] <nosrednaekim> IIRC, its easier to do if you boot into it
[13:10] <dns53> farkewie that is the version of grub you want to keep? yes run it from there
[13:10] <nosrednaekim> or if you run "sudo grub-install /dev/sda --root-directory=/mnt/ubuntu"
[13:10] <nosrednaekim> chrooting and installing grub there requires mounting a dev FS
[13:10] <adinc> i've hardy running on my samsung q45 sucessfull, unfortunately the only problem is the brightnes of the display when the notebook is not attached to the power. can someone point me to a documentation?
[13:12] <farkewie> ok so ubuntu is installedon /dev/sda7 so i want to go sudo grub-install /dev/sda7 ?
[13:13] <nosrednaekim> !laptop
[13:13] <ubotu> Laptop support information can be found on http://wiki.ubuntu.com/HardwareSupportMachinesLaptops - http://www.linux-laptop.net/ - http://wiki.ubuntu.com/LaptopTestingTeam - http://tuxmobil.org
[13:13] <farkewie> sorry i dropped out
[13:14] <farkewie> dns53: was that correct "sudo grub-install /dev/sda7"
[13:15] <Dr_willis> You sure you want grub on sda7 and not 'sda' ?
[13:15] <nosrednaekim> farkewie: no..... if you are on the install that you want to keep around, just run "sudo grub-install /dev/sda"
[13:15] <dns53> farkewie well you need something installed on /dev/sda, another option would be to modify whatever grub you are using and chaining that to call grub from another partition
[13:16] <Ronald> Has anyone heard reports before experiencing Hardy as 'slow' ?
[13:16] <Dr_willis> Ronald,  a few people in here mention it.
[13:16] <Dr_willis> double check what kernel you got installed and are using.
[13:17] <Ronald> Linux honegg 2.6.24-12-generic #1 SMP Wed Mar 12 23:01:54 UTC 2008 i686 GNU/Linux
[13:17] <nosrednaekim> !doesn't work for me
[13:17] <dns53> farkewie you could have /dev/sda1 be a linux that stores the /dev/sda grub, another linux could have grub installed on /dev/sda3 and that is chained from grub on the mbr
[13:18] <Ronald> thats the only one installed too.
[13:18] <ere4si> I have an extra 15 sec boot time with hardy xubuntu
[13:18] <farkewie> ok so i tried to just install to /dev/sda i will reboot and test
[13:18] <Ronald> is that good or bad ;)?
[13:18] <KRF> why the hell do i have a unicorn as KDM background in hardy?!
[13:18] <KRF> (since last upgrade)
[13:19] <dns53> Ronald an alpha/beta version has lots of debugging stuff turned on, it gets faster in the last few days before release
[13:19] <MilhousePunkRock> KRF: Happy April fool's day!
[13:19] <MilhousePunkRock> nosrednaekim: Well done, by the way...
[13:20] <nosrednaekim> KRF: haha :)
[13:20] <nosrednaekim> thank you thank you.... riddel figured out the packaging mysteries :)
[13:20] <KRF> MilhousePunkRock, not funny :S. it was really awkward in university today :S
[13:20] <Ronald> dns53: could it be more then earlier versions of ubuntu in beta stage? never experienced the devel builds before so slow... and i been on the same hardware for 3+ years
[13:21] <nosrednaekim> KRF: do try out the pink kde4 live :P
[13:21] <MilhousePunkRock> KRF: I can very well imagine that... I was a little shocked too, but I did not go anywhere today and neither did my laptop
[13:21] <MilhousePunkRock> nosrednaekim: That's another point, I installed KDE4 just this morning and was a little surprised to see cute fluffy bunny as the default plasma theme
[13:21] <nosrednaekim> KRF: tomorrow's up date should fix it... sorry about that. ....
[13:21] <dns53> Ronald it is the same with all the beta versions of ubuntu, it is really slow, they turn off crash reporting and it becomes fast before release
[13:22] <MilhousePunkRock> On the good side, now I already learned how to change plasma themes without the add cool new stuff thingy...
[13:22] <KRF> nosrednaekim, no problem. didnt think of fools day :P
[13:22] <farkewie> Thanks guys that has worked a charm. i can now format all my other partitions.
[13:22] <nosrednaekim> MilhousePunkRock: for some reason the pink color scheme doesn't seem to be working though.,.
[13:22] <KRF> but yes, ive been quite shocked in school
[13:22] <KRF> some others, too
[13:22] <MilhousePunkRock> nosrednaekim: Didn't have a color scheme, only plasma...
[13:23] <MilhousePunkRock> I wonder why my girlfriend did not question my sexual orientation this morning with the unicorn and the pink fur...
[13:23] <nosrednaekim> MilhousePunkRock: thats too bad... the color scheme was quite shocking
[13:24] <MilhousePunkRock> nosrednaekim: and while looking at the plasmarc file, the fact that it was set to slimglow made me wonder even more...
[13:25] <farkewie> if i wanted to backup my system so if i had to format all my software / setting would be reinstalled and configured the same  how would i do tht?
[13:25] <nosrednaekim> yeah... thats just the theme... the widget background is different, rather confusing
[13:25] <nosrednaekim> MilhousePunkRock: if you want to get rid of it, erase .kde4/share/apps/desktoptheme
[13:26] <MilhousePunkRock> Riddell acted as if he did not know about the wallpaper earlier though, he had his own nice april fool's joke on kde dot news though...
[13:26] <virtuald> should ubuntu-desktop, ubuntu-minimal and ubuntu-standard be installed on the same time or is ubuntu-desktop enough?
[13:26] <lusepuster> Bump - in Hardy's Compiz, my GTK Dropdown menus are invisible, but functional. Is this in any way a known problem?
[13:26] <Dr_willis> I am betting everything in 'minimal' is included in the others..
[13:27] <dns53> farkewie dpkg --get-selections > file   then pkg --set-selections< file to import later
[13:27] <farkewie> dns53: does that save the config as well?
[13:27] <MilhousePunkRock> nosrednaekim: I changed it to Spoons already... Pretty much in a rush, since I could not stand the pink fur...
[13:28] <dns53> farkewie no, you would need to save them seperately, they are in the /etc dir and that should be small
[13:29] <MilhousePunkRock> nosrednaekim: Do we have the new hot stuff with the current release of kde4 already?
[13:29] <nosrednaekim> MilhousePunkRock: don't think so. I don't think 4.0.3will have it either
[13:30] <dns53> what is this april fools image people are talking about, screens?
[13:30] <farkewie> dns53: so i could just zip that dir and then unzip there after format?
[13:30] <DistroJockey> farkewie: maybe check out  remastersys
[13:30] <dns53> farkewie that is what i would do
[13:30] <MilhousePunkRock> dns53: http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=741833
[13:31] <MilhousePunkRock> nosrednaekim: Too bad... It''s a bit tedious to install themes for plasma now...
[13:31] <dns53> MilhousePunkRock thx, i don't think anything is going to beat the ./ OMG PONIES!!!!!
[13:31] <farkewie> dns53: thanks heaps for all your help
[13:32] <MilhousePunkRock> nosrednaekim: When I do the math correctly, 4.0.3 is the version that will ship with the hardy final release, right?
[13:32] <shadowhywind> hay all. heres a question. how do you change the login screen in hardy? Somehow it defauled to a unicorn picture
[13:32] <MilhousePunkRock> shadowhywind: Blame nosrednaekim... And happy April fool's day...
[13:32] <shadowhywind> oh!!!
[13:33] <shadowhywind> you have to be kidding.. they really programed that in?!?!
[13:33] <shadowhywind> thats just so wickedly awsome!
[13:33] <nosrednaekim> XD
[13:33] <MilhousePunkRock> http://changelogs.ubuntu.com/changelogs/pool/main/k/kubuntu-default-settings/kubuntu-default-settings_8.04-17/changelog
[13:33] <MilhousePunkRock> nosrednaekim: You should not have put it in the change log in plain text though...
[13:33] <nosrednaekim> MilhousePunkRock: actually not sure if 4.0.3is going to be hardy... I hope so
[13:34] <nosrednaekim> MilhousePunkRock: thats Riddell... I didn't :P
[13:34] <nosrednaekim> I don't care though :)
[13:34] <MilhousePunkRock> nosrednaekim: I thought there was an increment of +0.0.1 every month, so 4.0.3 should be just around the corner, or not?
[13:35] <nosrednaekim> tomorrow I think
[13:37]  * jpatrick hugs Pici 
[13:37] <nosrednaekim> MilhousePunkRock: thanks for the forum link.... I linked the poor souls to the release announcement :)
[13:38] <MilhousePunkRock> nosrednaekim: First google hit...
[13:42] <MilhousePunkRock> nosrednaekim: I don't use the ubuntuforums very often, but that is not the color scheme they have always had, is it?
[13:43] <nosrednaekim> MilhousePunkRock: nah ;)
[13:43] <Hobbsee> curse you.  now i ahve to visit to see
[13:43] <Dr_willis> Hmm.. I set Konqueror to be the default filemanager,, and dolphin is getting launched for folders on the desktop still..
[13:43] <Dr_willis> !dolphin
[13:43] <ubotu> Dolphin, or more properly D3lphin, is the new default file manager for Kubuntu 7.10 Gutsy Gibbon. If you would like to make Konqueror your default file manager again, go to Konqueror - Settings menu - Configure Konqueror - File Associations and change the association for inode/directory and inode/system_directory to Konqueror at the top rather than Dolphin.
[13:44] <Hobbsee> oh, ugh.
[13:45] <MilhousePunkRock> Hey Hobbsee...
[13:45] <Hobbsee> hi MilhousePunkRock!
[13:45] <MilhousePunkRock> nosrednaekim: That release note should have been on the frontpage of kubuntu.org, really...
[13:47] <MilhousePunkRock> Now the question of the day: Did the Ubuntu users have a similar experience today?
[13:47] <nosrednaekim> MilhousePunkRock: yeah...I'll get someone to do that
[13:48] <MilhousePunkRock> Don't you think it's a bit too late for it now?
[13:48] <nosrednaekim> nah
[13:49] <nosrednaekim> its not like anyone reads that anyway.
[13:49] <MilhousePunkRock> But should'n April Fool's jokes be played in the morning?
[13:49]  * Dr_willis thinks they should just be outlawed.
[13:49] <Dr_willis> :)
[13:50] <nosrednaekim> define "morning" .... its still 5 in California
[13:50] <Dr_willis> "Town Outlaws April Fools Days Jokes" - That would be a good joke.
[13:51] <MilhousePunkRock> nosrednaekim: I'd define morning as CEST... ;)
[13:52] <dns53> well as long as there are ponies and instructions to make your own glitter omg ponies sign i'll be happy
[13:52] <dns53> btw there is 38 minutes of april 1st left for me so the timezones never work
[13:53] <elmargol> someone here owns an apple tv take2?
[13:55] <youngmusic> hey people. I just did an apt-get upgrade that installed a new version of the ssh-server. And now i don't get a commandline anymore when i login with ssh. Anyone else got the same problem? I don't know if it also happens with a normal login since i'm not near the machine.
[13:56] <MilhousePunkRock> Hobbsee: You totally fell for Automatix, huh? :P
[13:56] <derspankster> lost my wireless after hardy beta upgrade, bcm4318
[13:57] <Dr_willis> hardy wants to use the a newer drivers for the bcm cards - i forget the package name.
[13:57] <derspankster> cutter?
[13:57] <Dr_willis> do an apt-cache search bcm (i think)
[13:58] <osteenbergen> youngmusic: what happens if you login?
[13:58] <Dr_willis> !find bcm
[13:58] <ubotu> Found: E:
[13:58] <Hobbsee> MilhousePunkRock: well, it *was* from jdong, so it's actually not all that unlikely..
[13:58] <osteenbergen> does the session end directly?
[13:59] <derspankster> I see broadcom b43 driver but can't enable it
[14:00] <derspankster> no light either - use to used ndiswrapper
[14:03] <derspankster> ndiswrapper is still installed but no wireless
[14:05] <nosrednaekim> yech... ubuntuforums now has a puke-green theme
[14:06] <ere4si> tomorrow it will be better...
[14:09] <derspankster> ubuntuforums new color scheme is awful
[14:09] <derspankster> almost unreadable
[14:09] <osteenbergen> i think its just a small test/bug in css
[14:09] <rsk> derspankster: it's 1 april today.. :)
[14:10] <rsk> -_-
[14:10] <derspankster> true, but that is terrible
[14:10] <dns53> or was yesterday
[14:10] <rsk> depends on timezone
[14:10] <derspankster> my april's fool is no wireless in hardy beta
[14:11] <osteenbergen> did you try ndiswrapper?
[14:11] <osteenbergen> and did you check the logs to see wha the original driver is doing?
[14:11] <derspankster> I feel like I'm back in dapper-land ndiswrapper is still there
[14:12] <dns53> you can use the older kernel still
[14:12] <derspankster> I'll check the logs, enjoying complaining right now
[14:19] <bazhang> thank goodness
[14:19] <bazhang> 8.06 ;]
[14:20] <clarezoe> I can't change my desktop background, anyone has the problem?
[14:20] <Ronald> thats one of the things that does work for me :)
[14:20] <nosrednaekim> clarezoe: kde4?
[14:20] <clarezoe> nosrednaekim, gnome
[14:21] <pir> april fools :P
[14:21] <derspankster> I have no trouble with backgrounds
[14:21] <nosrednaekim> pir: what?
[14:21] <clarezoe> so wired
[14:21] <pir> nosrednaekim : "The Hardy release has been postponed to June"
[14:21] <bazhang> the delay til June is April's fool joke?
[14:21] <pir> off course :P
[14:21] <clarezoe> nosrednaekim, today is 1st April, pir means that
[14:22] <bazhang> oh those wily admins!
[14:22] <pir> :P
[14:22] <derspankster> non working wireless also April fools
[14:22] <Hobbsee> that's not the real reason for the delay.
[14:22] <clarezoe> can April fools do anything with my background?
[14:22] <derspankster> booted to old kernal and wireless, of course, is working
[14:23] <derspankster> No clarezoe
[14:23] <pir> sure Hobbsee :P
[14:23] <clarezoe> derspankster, so, why it's so wired
[14:23] <Hobbsee> clarezoe: yes, run kubuntu.
[14:24] <Hobbsee> pir: no really!
[14:24] <Hobbsee> the actual reason is that the release team, and the core developers, will be so far hung over, that they'll be in hospital, and only get out in june.
[14:24] <bazhang> heh
[14:24] <pir> oh now i see
[14:24] <speedhunt3r> what? hardy is postponed to june?
[14:25] <bazhang> and automatix and envy will come by default
[14:25] <nosrednaekim> oh.. I didn't see the title :P
[14:25] <LjL> bazhang: you know, you're not too far from the truth
[14:25] <bazhang> LjL: haha
[14:25] <orvokki> Hobbsee: Hey, where's the party? Sounds like one worth being in. ;>
[14:25] <LjL> speedhunt3r: it's all for the better, it'll be a really stable release
[14:25] <bazhang> ubuntu will also be changing its name to LinuxMunt
[14:26] <nosrednaekim> bazhang: did you read the announce ment on kubuntu? automatix is going in by default
[14:26] <LjL> envy won't, though.
[14:26] <Hobbsee> orvokki: at canonical HQ.
[14:26] <bazhang> nosrednaekim: that is why they disbanded?
[14:26] <rsk> what additional info can i give here? http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?p=4563642
[14:26] <speedhunt3r> LjL, I can't wait for the improvement on  X
[14:26] <bazhang> and Canonical has been bought out by Microsoft
[14:27] <rsk> bazhang: i tought apple bought microsoft and Canonical ?
[14:28] <rsk> and the linux kernel went gpl v3
[14:28] <bazhang> rsk: aye and Apple was bought by SCO
[14:28] <rsk> oh i knew thoose 100$ million was going to good for all of us
[14:29] <nosrednaekim> ouch... that title is getting to be a bit like #debian's ;)
[14:29] <m1r> ih
[14:29] <m1r> hi
[14:30] <m1r> isnt opera browser in hardy repos ?
[14:30] <osteenbergen> i installed it via the opera site
[14:30] <m1r> i see
[14:31] <m1r> cause i read on forum few min ago :apt-get install opera
[14:31] <osteenbergen> maybe the package is in the partner repository
[14:31] <m1r> how can i enable that ?
[14:32] <bazhang> go into synaptic and enable them
[14:32] <osteenbergen> Or sources under administration
[14:32] <bazhang> though likely it is in medibuntu
[14:32] <osteenbergen> http://www.ubuntu.com/news/opera9
[14:33] <m1r> tnx guys i check
[14:34] <nosrednaekim> !info opera hardy
[14:34] <m1r> ye, i dont want install from deb. prefer repos if posible
[14:34] <m1r> will check synaptic now
[14:37] <m1r> i enabled partner repo , but no opera there
[14:37] <NET||abuse> is skype available for hardy? would i be wise to wait or can i grab the gutsy build?
[14:38] <bazhang> NET||abuse: aye in the medibuntu repos
[14:41] <NET||abuse> bazhang, awsome,, i'll give em a go.
[14:43] <nosrednaekim> opera is so awesome :) http://my.opera.com/desktopteam/blog/2008/04/01/acid-3-opera-first-to-106
[14:43] <m1r> anyone got quick link to medibuntu repo for 8.04 ?
[14:44] <bazhang> m1r: I just used the gutsy one
[14:45] <m1r> bazhang: is that the right way to go ?
[14:46] <m1r> i found this post: http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=713009
[14:47] <shashi> In Ubuntu, how we can find out, for a given file name, which Ubuntu package installed that file ?
[14:47] <nosrednaekim> shashi: dpkg -S filepath
[14:48] <bazhang> m1r: then your way is best ;]
[14:48] <shashi> Thank you.
[14:48] <m1r> tnx bazhang
[14:49] <m1r> but still
[14:49] <m1r> i cant install opera with medibuntu packages
[14:49] <bazhang> NET||abuse: you might want to look at m1r's link as well
[14:50] <m1r> 3 months ? ouch
[14:50] <m1r> nice time to squash bugs :)
[14:51] <bazhang> june to july? so ibex will be 9.01 ;]
[14:51] <m1r> on ubuntu.com still counting 23 days tho
[14:51] <bstock> nice april fools
[14:51] <nosrednaekim> ^_^
[14:51] <nosrednaekim> THAT would be a good april fools... to change that sounter
[14:51] <nosrednaekim> *counter
[14:51] <m1r> yea
[14:51] <Seveas> yeah
[14:51] <m1r> :P
[14:51] <bazhang> more like hack
[14:52] <nosrednaekim> Seveas: can you change that to "Home of the Hardy Heron and the Hippy Horse" ? :)
[14:52] <m1r> Seveas: rather put :ubuntu project was canceled :P
[14:54] <m1r> so, how does one install opera on 8.07 beta ?
[14:54] <bazhang> haha
[14:54] <m1r> :)
[14:54] <onechard> just wanted to say my granddaughter loves the new wallpaper in kubuntu 8.07
[14:54] <nosrednaekim> onechard: haha
[14:55] <onechard> she wants me to update her laptop with 7.10 just for the eye candy
[14:55] <nosrednaekim> onechard: just install the new "kubuntu-default-settings" over there....
[14:56] <MF-Debian> nosrednaekim: how do you edit the panel in kde4
[14:56] <MF-Debian> ive got the joke one
[14:56] <onechard> there ya go :) she was quite impressed
[14:56] <nosrednaekim> MF-Debian: you mean the fuzzy pink border? thats a plasma theme :)
[14:56] <MF-Debian> nosrednaekim: oh ok, how do i ditch it
[14:57] <nosrednaekim> MF-Debian: its in ~/.kde4/share/apps/desktoptheme
[14:57] <nosrednaekim> erase that directory and restart plasma (or log out)
[14:58] <nosrednaekim> and if that doesn't fix it, wait for tomorrows updated kubuntu-default settings package
[15:01] <bstock> i think the title should be changed to Harry Hardon
[15:03] <m1r> so, is there a way to install opera ? i have put in medibuntu and partner repo , but nothing happenes :/
[15:03] <bstock> just download the .deb from opera's website
[15:03] <KRF> i found another fools day joke: my suspend doesnt work anymore :/
[15:03] <m1r> bstock: isnt opera in ubuntu repos anymore ?
[15:03] <orvokki> Heh, I don't think medibuntu has anything to do with Opera, at least...
[15:03] <savvas> omg, hardy heron is final: http://tinyurl.com/2u9y5g
[15:04] <compwiz18> omg
[15:04] <compwiz18> it's early :D
[15:04] <compwiz18> :P :P
[15:04] <savvas> :D :D
[15:04] <compwiz18> btw
[15:04] <compwiz18> your html isn't valid
[15:04] <compwiz18> xD
[15:04] <savvas> lol
[15:04] <savvas> eh who bothers :P
[15:05] <compwiz18> not me
[15:05] <compwiz18> or you, apparently :P
[15:07] <bazhang> wait final? not in july? oo I am comfusedled
[15:09] <bazhang> http://www.opera.com/download/ m1r
[15:11] <bhsx> howdy, i need to know how to change my mousewheel scroll settings....  it just scrolls and scrolls and becomes unresponsive... this whole time im' typing firefox is scrolling up and down still... i've already changed about:config... it's not that... something to do with my ati/xorg settings i think, can anyone help?
[15:16] <m1r> bazhang: ye finally i go to 9.50b
[15:16] <m1r> i thought they put opera in 8.07
[15:17] <bazhang> have to wait and see in August ;]
[15:21] <lubosz> wtf, whats up with the ubuntuforums css oO
[15:21] <iositd> nice don't you think?
[15:22] <chmavr> hi!my gpu is x1950pro agp..is there any driver supporting my gpu???
[15:24] <lubosz> iositd: is this a hack or what...
[15:25] <iositd> lubosz, my little brother of 12 got bored so he created the new skin. I like it
[15:25] <iositd> i'm not joking
[15:27] <chmavr> anyone??
[15:27] <bazhang> chmavr: ati?
[15:28] <chmavr> yes
[15:28] <chmavr> x1950pro agp version
[15:29] <bazhang> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3WbpoB6VS00 you decide chmavr ;]
[15:29] <m1r> ok nice, i want to install opera 9.50b.deb and gdebi says politely :older version is avilable in offical repository. what am i missing ?
[15:30] <chmavr> this is pci version...i have agp
[15:30] <chmavr> and no driver is loading correctly...
[15:30] <bazhang> http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=666895 this may help chmavr
[15:30] <arekkusu> Hi ! I am setting up a computer for a friend on Hardy and I have problem with a bluetooth mouse
[15:30] <chmavr> my xorg seems to be ok but nothing happens
[15:32] <setuid> Can someone tell me where the sun java plugin is? apt-file doesn't show it, nor does dpkg -S, but I have the sun-java6 stuff installed.
[15:33] <arekkusu> Logitech V270 Bluetooth mouse. Show up in the bluetooth manager (tried every option in the GUI and reset the mouse) but mouse doesn't work any idea ?
[15:33] <bazhang> setuid not in ubuntu-restricted-extras?
[15:33] <setuid> Nope, it's nowhere
[15:34] <bazhang> you sure?
[15:34] <setuid> YTes
[15:34] <setuid> otherwise apt-file would find it
[15:34] <bazhang> that's where I got it
[15:34] <setuid> What's the package name that owns it?
[15:37] <m1r> sun-java6-jre
[15:37] <m1r> setuid
[15:37] <setuid> m1r, The plugin is not inside that package
[15:37] <m1r> did u try install it ?
[15:38] <setuid> It has been installed for several days
[15:38] <m1r> it should pop it up as additinal
[15:38] <setuid> Where is the plugin? I need to symlink it into the plugins tree for Firefox
[15:38] <Hobbsee> bazhang: u-r-e is a metapackage.
[15:38] <Hobbsee> so of course setuid wouldn't be in it.
[15:38] <bazhang> setuid in u-r-e? thanks Hobbsee ;]
[15:41] <osteenbergen> Finally got Flash plugin working in opera :| don't know why it was such a trouble this time :O
[15:44] <m1r> osteenbergen: how did u install opera ?
[15:45] <osteenbergen> via opera.com.. download deb for gutsy (works on hardy)
[15:45] <gargan-> will 8.04 beta upgrade to the final stable or will i need to reinstall?
[15:46] <osteenbergen> no it will upgrade
[15:46] <m1r> i started install 9.50b .deb, then it says it got older version in repos
[15:46] <m1r> of opera
[15:46] <m1r> but wehn i try apt-get install opera, it says it is under other name
[15:46] <m1r> wth ?
[15:46] <gargan-> awesome. i cant really tell that it's beta anyway. been running it on my laptop the last few days and havent had any issues at all
[15:46] <m1r> good for you gargan-
[15:47] <gargan-> mlr: it should be under add/remove with the newest version
[15:47] <osteenbergen> indeed
[15:47] <gargan-> i tried to apt-get install opera from command line too and it told me the same thing
[15:47] <gargan-> but sure enough 9.25 is available
[15:47] <m1r> hmm
[15:47] <m1r> ok let me try ;)
[15:47] <osteenbergen> and you can ignore the message becuase you are downloading the newest beta.. so it is quick normal the message
[15:47] <osteenbergen> 9.26 is out for a few weeks now
[15:47] <m1r> yes osteenbergen, but ireally want all stuff from repos
[15:47] <gargan-> actually im running 9.26
[15:47] <gargan-> heh
[15:48] <gargan-> yeah i just checked about
[15:48] <m1r> so waht shouled i select on add/remove
[15:49] <gargan-> mlr: i think you may need to tell it to look in all repositories, but i just typed 'opera' and it showed up
[15:49] <m1r> all available applications ?
[15:49] <gargan-> im pretty sure it's in universe since it's not open source
[15:49] <gargan-> yeah that's the one
[15:49] <m1r> nothing there
[15:49] <gargan-> hrm
[15:49] <gargan-> actually now that you mention it i dont see it either
[15:49] <gargan-> try going to synaptic package manager
[15:50] <m1r> nothign there
[15:50] <gargan-> hmm
[15:50] <m1r> this is pretty fck#"$# up
[15:50] <gargan-> actually come to think of it i think i got it off opera.com
[15:50] <m1r> LOL
[15:50] <m1r> n1
[15:50] <gargan-> they have a gutsy gibbon deb but it installs fine on heron
[15:50] <m1r> so , can somone confirm , OPERA is NOT in ubuntu repos ?
[15:51] <osteenbergen> http://deb.opera.com/ repositories for opera ;)
[15:51] <osteenbergen> so just add them to your sources
[15:51] <m1r> ok tnx osteenbergen ;)
[15:51] <m1r> but that still didnt answer my question
[15:52] <osteenbergen> well it aint in the normal repository..
[15:52] <osteenbergen> but you can add the opera repository so it will update like normal programs :)
[15:53] <m1r> so i can add debian leny one ? or ?
[15:53] <m1r> sid or etch ?
[15:54] <osteenbergen> sid is the most equivalent with hardy
[15:55] <m1r> ok tnx
[15:56] <gaetronik> Hi
[15:56] <pir> hi gaetronik
[15:56] <gaetronik> i've an issue with he server installer of the beta
[15:57] <gaetronik> when i choose to install in spanish i can choose the country after
[15:57] <gaetronik> i can choose the correct timezone
[15:58] <osteenbergen> and the problem is?
[15:58] <gaetronik> i can only choose between timezone from spain
[15:58] <gaetronik> and i live in chile
[15:58] <osteenbergen> yeah thats no good
[15:59] <osteenbergen> maybe after the install if you change your timezone it will work
[15:59] <gaetronik> yes but if a choose english at boot prompt i can choose to do installation in spanish and it works
[15:59] <gaetronik> i can choose chile
[16:01] <gaetronik> for me it's not really an issue since i could install it in english but it looks like a silly bug which can give a bad feeling
[16:01] <osteenbergen> so you actually can install the server with the correct settings via english setup.. then just fill in a bug report for the installer
[16:01] <gaetronik> if i choose at boot menu
[16:01] <gaetronik> english there's no problem
[16:01] <jaffarkelshac> has anyone been able to import public keys i keep getting invalid format
[16:01] <gaetronik> if i choose at boot menu español
[16:01] <gaetronik> then i can't choose the right country
[16:01] <Itaku> how do i play a dvd in kubuntu
[16:02] <osteenbergen> itake just use google ;)
[16:02] <Itaku> https://help.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/desktopguide/C/video.html doesnt work
[16:03] <jaffarkelshac> has anyone been able to add public pgp keys
[16:03] <BBishop> is the beta stable enough to use ? ... when the final version will be out .. should anything else than apt-get update be done to get stable ?
[16:03] <gaetronik> osteenbergen, i will fill a bug for it
[16:04] <osteenbergen> beta is stable enough
[16:04] <Pici> !wfm
[16:04] <ubotu> Common Sense: Just because you can, does not mean you should (and especially recommend to others). Think before you do. "Works for me" does not mean it is ok. The latest version of everything is not always useful if you aim for stability. Please see http://geekosophical.net/random/worksforme/
[16:04] <gaetronik> but it's not a bug on the installer it's a isolinux menu bug
[16:04] <XceII> How to get sound back in flash?
[16:04] <Lynoure> BBishop: the topic used to say that if you have to ask that, it's not stable enough for you :)
[16:05] <Raspberry> Anybody else have firefox stop working?
[16:05] <Itaku> -su: cd: /usr/share/libdvdread3: No such file or directory how do i fix that?
[16:05] <Raspberry> since updates about 15 minutes ago
[16:05] <BBishop> Lynoure, what about the rest ?
[16:05] <jast-mxm> is there any way i can disable my swap partition temporarily while i move it to a dif partition? this being done while I am working in my system? or will i need to reboot to a live cd?
[16:05] <Lynoure> BBishop: the rest?
[16:06] <Lynoure> BBishop: the rest upgrade when hardy comes out...
[16:06] <BBishop> yeah l.. when the stable will be out .. is a simple apt-get update enough ?
[16:06] <BBishop> ahmm .. so apt-get upgrade should be enough ...
[16:06] <Lynoure> BBishop: I think 24th of this month is the planned release date
[16:06] <osteenbergen> yep
[16:06] <m1r> ubuntu release is set for 8.07
[16:07] <bhsx> repeat (still googling to no avail, other than to find others that have the problem):
[16:07] <bhsx> howdy, i need to know how to change my mousewheel scroll settings....  it just scrolls and scrolls and becomes unresponsive... this whole time im' typing firefox is scrolling up and down still... i've already changed about:config... it's not that... something to do with my ati/xorg settings i think, can anyone help?
[16:07] <Lynoure> m1r: Are you serious?
[16:07] <m1r> Lynoure: nope :)
[16:07]  * Lynoure uses LART on m1r 
[16:07] <m1r> :)
[16:08] <bhsx> for example, i can make firefox 'go grey' and scroll up and down for minutes just by flicking my mousewheel up and down a few times....
[16:08] <m1r> bhsx , got another mouse near to check hw problem ?
[16:08] <bhsx> sure, but it's not a HW probelm
[16:09] <bhsx> it's a MS Wireless Laser Mouse 6000
[16:09] <jast-mxm> anyone know about working w/ swap?
[16:10] <gaetronik> jast-mxm, swapoff
[16:11] <gaetronik> if you don't need to use swap at this time
[16:11] <jast-mxm> yeah i don't need it because i have plenty of free ram, but it does say it is using 43 megs of it atm
[16:11] <Raspberry> I don't think the LTR is ready  :)
[16:11] <Raspberry> nobody else has the Firefox issue?
[16:11] <Raspberry> I'll restart and see what happens
[16:11] <gaetronik> jast-mxm, do it
[16:12] <jast-mxm> gaetronik, ty
[16:12] <gaetronik> you're welcome
[16:12] <setuid> E: Package sun-java6-plugin has no installation candidate
[16:12] <setuid> whee!
[16:15] <jaffarkelshac> anyone tried using, the pgp encryption software that comes with hardy, i am having some problems
[16:15] <osteenbergen> setuid the package is installed at my pc
[16:16] <osteenbergen> so maybe you need to update your information
[16:16] <osteenbergen> or the server you are using is not up to date so changing the the main server could solve it
[16:17] <gargan-> is hardy really going to be delayed by 3 months?
[16:17] <Ronald> https://help.ubuntu.com/community/HardyUpgrades#head-db224ea9add28760e373240f8239afb9b817f197
[16:17] <Ronald> whoops sorry, wrong window
[16:17] <osteenbergen> gargan what day is it today?
[16:19] <bazhang> April 1st gargan-?
[16:20] <gargan-> ha
[16:20] <gargan-> i hate april 1st
[16:20]  * gargan- is an april fool
[16:20] <setuid> osteenbergen, it doesn't exist for my arch, 64-bit
[16:21] <BBishop> !april1st
[16:21] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about april1st - try searching on http://ubotu.ubuntu-nl.org/factoids.cgi
[16:21] <BBishop> !april1ststory
[16:21] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about april1ststory - try searching on http://ubotu.ubuntu-nl.org/factoids.cgi
[16:22] <BBishop> dang
[16:22]  * BBishop googles
[16:22] <jaffarkelshac> has anyone tried using the pgp software in hardy
[16:22] <osteenbergen> no sry jaffarkelshac
[16:22] <yotux> upgrade to hardy with separate home partitions ok
[16:22] <jaffarkelshac> why is that
[16:22] <busan> how are you
[16:23] <osteenbergen> great how about over there?
[16:25] <Itaku> my cd wont eject when i hit the button how do i get it out?
[16:25] <Itaku> nvm
[16:28] <gaetronik> Itaku, with a pin
[16:28] <busan> 123
[16:28] <SErge> hello
[16:29] <chillitom> Itaku, try eject /media/cdrom
[16:29] <jaffarkelshac> hello
[16:29] <SErge> after i reboot the ubuntu, the internet connection losts, and when try to ping gateway i got network unreacheable
[16:29] <busan> how to make ubuntu more fastly
[16:29] <SErge> i don't have the internet connection after reboot
[16:29] <SErge> :<
[16:30] <SErge> i have this on ubuntu hardy beta
[16:30] <SErge> and on feisty too..
[16:30] <bazhang> busan how much ram you have
[16:30] <busan> 512
[16:30] <bazhang> hmm
[16:31] <busan> hmm
[16:32] <busan> 12
[16:32] <bazhang> more ram is always a good idea busan
[16:32] <busan> how about swap?
[16:33] <bazhang> wont make a speed difference
[16:34] <busan> 512 fast enaugh
[16:34] <bazhang> okay then no problem
[16:34] <osteenbergen> swap is rarely used.. but mem is always handy
[16:35] <MF-Debian> id probably use xubuntu on 512MB ram
[16:35] <bazhang> or fluxbuntu even
[16:35] <MF-Debian> i concur
[16:36] <busan> hardy havnt problem in my pc
[16:36] <osteenbergen> i run ubuntu on 386MB its doable but i dont recommend it..
[16:36] <MF-Debian> haha
[16:36] <osteenbergen> its also a 900mhz pc so thats also a bummer
[16:37] <bazhang> I'm guessing compiz is disabled
[16:37] <osteenbergen> yeah Compiz is not enabled on a onboard S3 8mb card :D
[16:38] <bazhang> though even the eeepc can run ubuntu with 512 and a 600 some mhz cpu, so..
[16:38] <osteenbergen> yeah its possible but speed is not your friend
[16:39] <setuid> bazhang, With compiz
[16:39] <setuid> Eee PC runs compiz _fast_
[16:39] <bazhang> setuid can be, yeah though I dont use it ;]
[16:39] <setuid> http://youtube.com/watch?v=biRzKj3XxCY
[16:40] <gaetronik> i fill the bug #210302 but i didn't manage to assign it at the good version of base-installer
[16:40] <ubotu> Launchpad bug 210302 in base-installer "spanish install don't let choose the country" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/210302
[16:40] <finux> hi guys, have a bit of a strange wireless problem in 8.04
[16:40] <finux> is this the right place to bounce some ideas in
[16:41] <bazhang> broadcom?
[16:42] <finux> how did you guess
[16:42] <finux> not the only one then
[16:42] <osteenbergen> nope lots of people have problems :)
[16:42] <setuid> Something has taken up my sound, but I can't figure out what...
[16:43] <setuid> # ls > /dev/dsp
[16:43] <setuid> -bash: /dev/dsp: Device or resource busy
[16:43] <finux> yeah it seems to see it fine in lspci
[16:43] <setuid> I uninstalled pulseaudio, because it does absolutely nothing, and sound started working great after that.
[16:43] <setuid> How can I tell what's eating my sound device now?
[16:43] <finux> and in the hardware thing for for launchpad seems to pick it up
[16:44] <Infecto> lsof |grep dsp
[16:44] <Infecto> lsof |grep snd
[16:44] <finux> is there a fix or is it patents
[16:44] <setuid> Done that
[16:44] <setuid> Nothing shows up
[16:44] <osteenbergen> then nothing is using it :O
[16:45] <setuid> oh weird, gnome-power-manager requires exclusive access to my _sound card_?
[16:45] <setuid> Yep, killing that, sound now works
[16:45] <osteenbergen> lal :O
[16:45] <setuid> What the hell could a power daemon possibly require exclusive access to my sound card for?
[16:47] <finux> so does anyone know what i can do to make my wireless card work
[16:47] <finux> it shows up under lspci
[16:47] <finux> dmesg doesn't have any strange error messages
[16:47] <setuid> finux, Load the right driver
[16:47] <setuid> Then configure it properly
[16:48] <finux> but it's not showing up under anything
[16:48] <finux> that's why isaid it was strange
[16:48] <finux> the hardware test thing for launchpad picked it up to
[16:48] <setuid> you probably dont' have any drive3r loaded for it
[16:48] <finux> but still to no avail
[16:48] <trappist> is there an april fool's joke in today's updates?
[16:49] <Klanticus> hi ppl... I'm running hardy beta. Someone know how to change the default compiler back to gcc 4.1?
[16:49] <nosrednaekim> trappist: why don't you check and see? :P
[16:49] <finux> right well i'll do a wee bit more searching, but like i say everything even the hardware test has picked it up correctly
[16:49] <trappist> nosrednaekim: I did, that's why I'm asking.
[16:50] <insomninja> can somebody recommend a recent howto/method on enabling/mapping the nonstandard stuff on the ms ergonomic kbd 4000? those recommended by xev should be mappable with xmodmap, but the others?
[16:50] <nosrednaekim> trappist: then yes :)
[16:50] <trappist> kinda funny.
[16:50] <macd> Does anyone know what kernel module the sound device "Intel Corporation 82801DB/DBL/DBM (ICH4/ICH4-L/ICH4-M) AC'97 Audio Controller (rev 01)" needs to load to work? since upgrading to hardy it has not been working.
[16:50] <nosrednaekim> macd: you need linux-ubuntu-modules IIRC
[16:51] <setuid> finux, Like I said, you need _drivers_ to make hardware function.
[16:51] <setuid> finux, You lack the driver for your wifi card, so it won't work or be seen. lspci and the hardware test just queries the bus, it doesn't load a driver and enable function
[16:51] <finux> okay, not a problem, i made a mistake earlier on, it's not broadcom it''s belkin
[16:51] <macd> nosrednaekim,  I have linux restricted, I dont see anything called linux-ubuntu-modules
[16:52] <setuid> macd: linux-ubuntu-modules-2.6.24-12-generic
[16:52] <setuid> or similar
[16:52] <setuid> apt-cache search
[16:52] <nosrednaekim> also, you need to be running the generic kernel
[16:52] <finux> my mistake i only use this machine for testing out stuff, it worked out of the box with the gutsy so i never had to look into it in too much depth
[16:52] <nosrednaekim> my freind had the same problem
[16:53] <finux> so i don't have to load the broadcom driver, but is there a driver i need to load for belkin
[16:53] <crimsun> macd: what's `uname -r'?
[16:54] <macd> setuid, ohhh, Ive got that installed, and it appears all the correct modules are actually loaded: http://pastebin.com/m5cda13bb
[16:54] <macd> crimsun, its generic, nvidia restricted modules is loaded and working
[16:54] <crimsun> macd: I'm asking for your audio.
[16:54] <macd> crimsun, see paste above
[16:55] <macd> uname (http://pastebin.com/m5cda13bb)
[16:55] <macd> oops, 2.6.24-12-generic
[16:55] <crimsun> macd: download http://hg.alsa-project.org/alsa/raw-file/tip/alsa-info.sh and run it using bash.
[16:56] <Pedantic-Steve> finux, if there is a windows driver you can install that. I have never done it (perhaps someone else has) but I think it is something called "ndis" or something... (I am hoping someone chimes in here to let me know if I am right!)
[16:56] <nosrednaekim> ndiswrapper.
[16:56] <macd> crimsun, man Im lucky you knew that url, I've been looking for that script to diagnose it
[16:56] <finux> yeah, it worked out of the box in gutsy
[16:56] <Pedantic-Steve> nosrednaekim: thx, that is it
[16:56] <finux> and it see's it in lspci
[16:57] <nosrednaekim> finux: whats the line in lspci?
[16:57] <macd> crimsun, http://pastebin.ca/966202
[16:57] <finux> 00:0d.0 Ethernet controller: Belkin Wireless PCI Card - F5D6001 (rev 20)
[16:58] <nosrednaekim> !hardware | finux, look it up here
[16:58] <ubotu> finux, look it up here: For lists of supported hardware on Ubuntu see https://wiki.ubuntu.com/HardwareSupport - To help debugging and improving hardware detection, see https://wiki.ubuntu.com/DebuggingHardwareDetection
[16:58] <finux> cheers nosrednaekim
[16:58] <crimsun> macd: your PCM is muted and zeroed.
[17:00] <macd> argg, thanks crimsun
[17:00] <macd> the update to hardy mustve done that, which is wierd behavior.
[17:01] <crimsun> it's expected behaviour.
[17:01] <crimsun> unfortunately, no one has written a script to kill the state file's sections.
[17:01] <osteenbergen> script to do what ? maybe i could write it
[17:01] <macd> I wonder if its on LP, I could take that bitesize
[17:02] <crimsun> it's not bitesize
[17:02] <macd> I just feel a bit dumb for not looking at the volume levels
[17:02] <MF-Debian> nosrednaekim: i was awaiting your return, heh
[17:02] <finux> yeah the last link says it works out of the box too
[17:02] <MF-Debian> nosrednaekim: kde4 is not bad at all
[17:02] <MF-Debian> i likey
[17:02] <nosrednaekim> MF-Debian: :)
[17:02] <nosrednaekim> without the weird borders that is ;)
[17:02] <MF-Debian> yeah
[17:02] <MF-Debian> heh
[17:03] <Itaku> uh i might have found a bug
[17:03] <Itaku> i got caps lock on atm
[17:03] <crimsun> osteenbergen: in alsa-util's existing debian/init, you need to check the existing state file [/var/lib/alsa/asound.state], iterate through each control, and test the possibly new control
[17:03] <Itaku> and im not holding shift
[17:03] <crimsun> alsa-utils's
[17:03] <Pedantic-Steve> ha!  I just read the channel topic!
[17:04] <crimsun> osteenbergen: at that point, if the new control differs, assign the new control the old control's value.
[17:04] <MF-Debian> nosrednaekim:  but what the hell is up with icons on the desktop, they are not normal icons i discovered, have to be manipulated in dolphin
[17:04] <bhsx> hi, i'm having scrolling issues on ubuntu hardy heron beta and FF3.0b4 with 'restricted' ATI drivers... the scrolling goes way fast when scrolling through long sites and quickly becomes unresponsive as you try to switch direction because you past what you were looking for... if you flick up and down a few times you can make FF go unresponsive, just scrolling up and down, for 5 minutes or more.... i need some help please :) and no, autosc
[17:04] <bhsx> rolling/smoothscroll and about:config haven't helped
[17:04] <Itaku> help me caps lock is on but no caps are coming out!
[17:04] <osteenbergen> aha
[17:05] <nosrednaekim> MF-Debian: they are just a special plasmoid...
[17:05] <nosrednaekim> MF-Debian: and unfortunately, I have to run... sorry.
[17:06] <macd> bhsx, I have the same issue with nvidia restricted, pages with flash become unresponsive almost instantly
[17:06] <osteenbergen> how do you test the new control?
[17:06] <MF-Debian> flash on ubuntu with firefox has been borked for so long its not true
[17:07] <MF-Debian> especially flakey on youtube
[17:07] <crimsun> osteenbergen: you test for its existence.  Use amixer.
[17:07] <Itaku> how do i turn caps lock on?
[17:07] <Itaku> its on atm
[17:07] <Itaku> the caps lock light is on
[17:07] <MF-Debian> it really rips my nighty
[17:07] <Itaku> but no caps are coming out
[17:07] <osteenbergen> owhkeej will check it out
[17:07] <bhsx> macd: yeah, i cant find a fix anywhere, so i'm using Opera for now
[17:07] <bhsx> but i love FF
[17:08] <bhsx> opera just doens't have the plugins i need
[17:09] <cube> serious 7.04 no sound in firefox and then updated to 8.04 and works fine..both versions i was using the latest adobe
[17:09] <cube> i mean 7.10
[17:14] <cube> so 3 more months until its official?
[17:14] <osteenbergen> crimsun: you can store/restore asound.state with "alsactl restore"
[17:15] <crimsun> osteenbergen: that's precisely what you /don't/ want to do.
[17:16] <osteenbergen> so not restore it only verify it?!
[17:16] <jaffarkelshac> has anyone used seahorse package
[17:17] <osteenbergen> or store the current version and diff it with asound.state and then add the missing ones?
[17:17] <crimsun> osteenbergen: on a dist-upgrade [meaning, between different kernels using different ALSA-driver versions], if the state file structure would have changed due to the mixer elements' names being changed, using alsactl restore /will/ munge the ones that have changed.
[17:17] <uplinked> Hi, before Hardy, fglrx/compiz worked fine, but now, glxgears & compiz use 100% cpu. Anyone know why? (direct rendering: yes)
[17:18] <crimsun> osteenbergen: thus, what you need to do is:
[17:19] <osteenbergen> but how can you verify something when the names are changed?
[17:20] <osteenbergen> because that is the only identifier in asound.state
[17:20] <crimsun> osteenbergen: 1) whenever the `start' target of alsa-utils's debian/init is invoked, /before/ `alsactl restore' is invoked, you must do a dump to a temporary state file.  You then iterate through each state element in the temporary state file and verify that it exists in the old one.
[17:20] <osteenbergen> and if it not exist?
[17:21] <crimsun> osteenbergen: you leave it alone.
[17:22] <crimsun> osteenbergen: you /only/ set ones that do exist in both.
[17:22] <osteenbergen> aha okee now i get your point :D
[17:23] <levmatta> helloall
[17:23] <crimsun> osteenbergen: obviously you don't need to write out the dump everytime `start' is invoked.  You only need to write a sentinel to /var/run (which is cleared on reboot by default), and check if the sentinel exists in `start'
[17:24] <levmatta> I just updated a lot of packages and everything when to the drain
[17:24] <dooglus> I just tried upgrading to the development version of hardy using 'update-managed -d'.  after a couple of hours it failed and told me my system may be in an unstable state.  what should I do?
[17:25] <dooglus> s/ed/er/
[17:25] <cube> dooglus: stabalize
[17:25] <levmatta> sound does not work
[17:25] <crimsun> dooglus: update && full-upgrade in cli
[17:25] <dooglus> cube: /usr/bin/stabalize?
[17:25] <crimsun> [using aptitude]
[17:25] <levmatta> and the ndiswrapper kernel module is not found
[17:25] <crimsun> you picked a heck of a time to run `update-manager -d'
[17:26] <dooglus> crimsun: why's that?  it's in beta already, right?
[17:26] <osteenbergen> well i will first write the script and then i will see the rest :)
[17:26] <mvo> dooglus: please report a bug about it and make sure that you include the files in /var/log/dist-upgrade
[17:27] <mvo> dooglus: what package did it fail on ?
[17:27] <crimsun> dooglus: "beta" was a snapshot.  The archive is still a moving target.
[17:27] <levmatta> did something blowup today in those packages ??
[17:27] <hackeron> can someone recommend what I could try to use to repair a truncated wav file? - I can play the file fine but when I try to do anything with it using shntool, it says file truncated
[17:28] <dooglus> mvo: something like 'education-astronomy' I think.  I tried to get it to submit a report, but that failed too
[17:28] <dooglus> mvo: yes: "education-astronomy"
[17:28] <mvo> dooglus: right, please keep the logs and upload them somewhere (or mail them to me directly) - they are usually pretty good so that we can fix the problem
[17:29] <dooglus> mvo: which logfiles do you want, specifically?
[17:30] <mvo> dooglus: all of them, but the most important one for this kind of error is the "apt-term.log"
[17:30] <mvo> dooglus: it will have details what was run when the error happend
[17:30] <osteenbergen> crimsun: do the controls change from position or is control.0 always the same?
[17:31] <quentusrex> how do I configure ubuntu hardy so that when I hold down a button, like the arrow key, that it repeats it after 2 seconds of being pressed?
[17:31] <dooglus> mvo: /var/log/ is 13MB.  can your email account accept attachments that big?
[17:31] <quentusrex> right now if I press and hold the arrow key it only moves once....
[17:31] <nemo> quentusrex: there is a bug in keyboard repeat
[17:32] <nemo> maybe they disabled repeat by default for your protection :-p
[17:32] <nemo> System->Preferences->Universal Access->Keyboard Accessibility
[17:32] <nemo> if you are using gnome
[17:32] <levmatta> anyone on why I have no sound and no ndiswrapper???
[17:32] <quentusrex> levmatta did you just install or upgrade?
[17:32] <osteenbergen> PulseAudio could be your problem
[17:33] <mvo> dooglus: please gzip (or bzip2) it, it should compress very good
[17:33] <dooglus> mvo: "very well"
[17:33] <mvo> :)
[17:33] <mvo> thanks
[17:33] <levmatta> I had Hardy installed for quite some time, I just upgraded a lot of packages today (kernel went to xxx.13)
[17:33] <ForsakenSoul> can someone tell me what's stable in the new version of kubuntu
[17:33] <quentusrex> isntall the kernel modules...
[17:34] <quentusrex> levmatta, reinstall the kernel modules.... that worked for me.
[17:34] <nemo> levmatta: hm. there was a kernel update?
[17:34] <nemo> oooh
[17:34] <levmatta> yes
[17:34] <nemo> maybe it'll fix my iwl3945 brokenness :)
[17:34] <dooglus> mvo: the error message in the term.log is small enough to paste:
[17:34] <dooglus> Setting up education-astronomy (0.824) ...^M
[17:34] <dooglus> /var/lib/dpkg/info/education-astronomy.postinst: line 19: /etc/cdd/cdd.conf: No such file or directory^M
[17:34] <dooglus> nemo: what's your brokeness?
[17:35] <dooglus> nemo: I switched from ipw to iwl3945 today and achieved a 0.05 times speedup
[17:35] <mvo> dooglus: cool, is that the only error in the log (you can search for ^dpkg: error) ?
[17:36] <Kliment> hello, I did the upgrade and it broke surprisingly little
[17:36] <Kliment> but I lost samba functionality, which is a mojor issue for me
[17:36] <Kliment> major*
[17:36] <levmatta> oh their is NO linux-ubuntu-modules-2.6.24-13-generic in my package listing
[17:36] <levmatta> only linux-ubuntu-modules-2.6.24-12-generic
[17:36] <dooglus> mvo: that's the only error in the last week or so, yes.  there are some older ones
[17:36] <DanaG> 0.05 speedup?  Does that mean it's 0.05 times as fast?  Or are you thinking 1.05 times as fast?
[17:36] <nemo> dooglus: I can't connect to our WPA enabled router anymore? at all.
[17:36] <crimsun> osteenbergen: there is no guarantee.
[17:37] <nemo> dooglus: can show you dmesg output
[17:37] <Lunks> I'm having some problem with grub
[17:37] <DanaG> When I think of speedup, I think of "speed new / speed old" or "time old / time new"
[17:37] <nemo> dooglus: I'm chatting in the dev channel right now
[17:37] <Lunks> Maybe from misconfig
[17:37] <Lunks> How to 'reset' it?
[17:37] <DanaG> "2 times faster" is not the same as "2 times as fast" to me.
[17:37] <crimsun> osteenbergen: meaning there is no structure guarantee.
[17:37] <Lunks> including menu.lst
[17:37] <Kliment> anyone else having samba issues?
[17:37] <dooglus> nemo: oh, that's different then.  I connect using WPA (and wpa_supplicant) as always
[17:37] <levmatta> and the Headers package is also pointing wrongly to xxx.12
[17:37] <nemo> dooglus: #ipw2100 - been there for a week though. this is first attention I've gotten
[17:37] <crimsun> levmatta: because it hasn't been built yet.
[17:37] <osteenbergen> okee but if control.0 is not always control.0  how should i know which should belong to which
[17:37] <crimsun> levmatta: or, for that matter, uploaded.
[17:37] <mvo> dooglus: great, thanks
[17:38] <nemo> dooglus: it might work if I reverted to wpa_supplicant. hm.
[17:38] <finux> this is doing my head in
[17:38] <dooglus> mvo: I've removed the faulty edu-astronomy package, and now 'dist-upgrade' completes fine.  is there some way to resume the update-manager process?
[17:38] <levmatta> ok, so I just have to boot to xxx.12 and wait for the packege
[17:38] <finux> why would it work straight out of the box in 7.10 and not in 8.04
[17:38] <osteenbergen> crimsun:its easy to check the files but if the names and the control numbers change there is no way to check to which it belongs
[17:38] <crimsun> osteenbergen: you don't know.  You need to parse the state structure instead of worrying about whether there are multiple cards or not.
[17:38] <dooglus> finux: I don't think the boxes have been printed yes for 8.04
[17:39] <askand> Is the hardydelay some kind of april fool thing?
[17:39] <bazhang> yes
[17:39] <askand> bazhang: and the colour in ubuntuforums too I hope ;)
[17:39] <finux> no i mean, if it worked in 7.10, without any config, then all of the sudden 8.04 it doesn't
[17:39] <crimsun> osteenbergen: and at this point you should be realising why pulseaudio's reliance on hal to pull state is a Really Good Idea in comparison.
[17:39] <dooglus> ubuntuforums is ugly today
[17:39] <finux> i wouldn't mind the config part
[17:39] <mvo> dooglus: not a simple one unfortunately, its probably best to do the cleanup manually with synaptic (auto-removal and obsolete packages)
[17:40] <osteenbergen> yeah i know..
[17:40] <PriceChild> Hardy will be delayed by 3 months | Welcome to #ubuntu+1 "Home of the Hardy Heron" | Please make sure you know how to  administer an Ubuntu system (including broken dependencies), and how to fix it when it breaks, before installing Hardy.  Please remember to search https://wiki.ubuntu.com/HardyHeron/Beta
[17:40] <PriceChild> grr
[17:40] <PriceChild>  the web and forums, and not ask slly questions - this is not #ubuntu | Help test LTS upgrade: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/LTSUpgradesHowt.o | Beta  Release Notes: Hardy will be delayed by 3 months | Welcome to #ubuntu+1 "Home of the Hardy Heron" | Please make sure you know how to  administer an Ubuntu system (including broken dependencies), and how to fix it when it breaks, before installing Hardy.  Please remember to search
[17:40] <bazhang> heh
[17:40] <PriceChild> :(
[17:40] <dwidmann> Ack :( .... Curse you grub error 16!!
[17:41] <dooglus> mvo: I'm not familiar with synaptic.  I usually use apt-get.  is there a webpage about how to recover from this?
[17:41] <PriceChild> Ok I'm getting annoyed now
[17:41] <finux> right guys thanks for all the advice, but i'm just going to have to leave it
[17:41] <finux> oh well worth a try
[17:42] <benanzo> lol -- hardy will be out in July
[17:42] <bazhang> 8.07 ;]
[17:43] <dwidmann> I see people are having fun with april 1st PriceCchild
[17:43] <PriceChild> How is there even less space now than when i started?1
[17:43] <dwidmann> ***PriceChild
[17:43] <dooglus> PriceChild: could you play with the topic in a different channel?  your topic spamming is getting annoying
[17:43] <bazhang> haha
[17:44] <dooglus> PriceChild: some of us are trying to ask silly questions here!
[17:44] <PriceChild> I will fix it properly later.
[17:44] <bazhang> pastebin
[17:45] <benanzo> I'd put it on Digg but no one's going to believe it anyway -- and the only ones who will are the ones who believed that Canonical's been bought by MS or that MS is giving up OOXML -- it's cruel to trick them anymore.
[17:45] <mvo> dooglus: I don't think we have one, but if only this one package was broken, then all that is missing is the cleanup stage in the upgrader. that removes obsolete package and packages that are marked as auto-removalble
[17:46] <benanzo> I wonder if the fact that my screen brightness controls don't work now is an April Fools joke?  Hope so.
[17:47] <m1r> hehe , i got my wlan usb card working for 10-15 minutes today, thought that was also joke :)
[17:48] <benanzo> I should probably test the latest LiveCD build before filing a bug -- sometimes I think doing the upgrades from one alpha/beta to the next causes these weird bugs
[17:49] <benanzo> especially since I can't find anyone else with it
[17:49] <omar> How do I find out which version on PHP is installed on my machine?
[17:49] <jast-mxm> i need to change permissions for a file that belong to root, to my current user
[17:50] <dooglus> jast-mxm: do you mean change owner?
[17:50] <jast-mxm> i can't do this through the dolphin because my permissions on my user won't allow me to change access from root to the user
[17:50] <jast-mxm> dooglus: yes
[17:50] <dooglus> jast-mxm: if you, you use "chown" to do that
[17:50] <jast-mxm> chown -r username folder ?
[17:50] <Lamego> omar, dpkg -l php* | grep ^ii
[17:50] <dooglus> jast-mxm: "man chown"
[17:50] <jast-mxm> dooglus: ty
[17:51] <dooglus> how do I delete 'obsolete' packages?
[17:51] <gaetronik> it's quite annoying that the server edition don't work in VirtualBox
[17:53] <magnetron> the planning of the hardy release sucks.
[17:53] <MF-Debian> dooglus: use deborphan
[17:54] <dooglus> MF-Debian: I'm not sure 'obsolete' and 'orphaned' mean the same?
[17:54] <jast-mxm> dooglus: thank you everything works perfectly now
[17:55] <MF-Debian> MF-Debian: your right, i assumed you meant packages that have accumulated and are not being used, old libraries etc
[17:56] <dooglus> MF-Debian: after upgrading to hardy, the update-manager should remove 'obsolete' packages - but it crashed before it could, so I need to do it manually
[17:57] <MF-Debian> dooglus: apt-get autoremove
[17:57] <dooglus> MF-Debian: that's different too, apparently
[17:57] <nemo> dooglus: it did indeed work with a hand-coded wpa_supplicant.conf
[17:58] <MF-Debian> dooglus: well i tried :)
[17:58] <nemo> dooglus: favour.  I had to specify dhcp because  dhcpcd eth1 gave me "connection timed out"  -  I'm pretty sure I had that working before though.  mind showing me your /etc/network/interfaces entry for your wireless?
[17:58] <nemo> dooglus: also, I suppose I now need to file a bug on on network-admin
[17:58] <dooglus> nemo: sure
[17:59] <dooglus> nemo: http://dooglus.rincevent.net/random/interfaces.txt
[17:59] <dooglus> nemo: I didn't need to edit any wpa_supplicant config file - everything is specified right there in interfaces
[18:00] <nemo> hmmm
[18:00] <nemo> dooglus: well. let me try that then :)
[18:00] <nemo> I see you have psk in there
[18:00] <nemo> network-admin did not put it in
[18:00] <dooglus> nemo: I wrote the file by hand.
[18:01] <nemo> wpa-driver wext
[18:01] <nemo> wpa-key-mgmt WPA-PSK
[18:02] <nemo> those were put in by network-admin
[18:02] <setuid> How do I get /etc/alternatives/java* to link to the Sun jdk/jvm instead of the openjdk one?
[18:02] <nemo> dooglus: I assume the indentation is optional
[18:03] <dooglus> setuid: sudo update-alternatives --config java
[18:03] <dooglus> setuid: or some such
[18:03] <dooglus> nemo: I guess so
[18:03] <nemo> dooglus: the main concern I had was when my mom was on the road and she needed to connect to other networks
[18:03] <nemo> I will experiment with network-admin profiles I guess.
[18:03] <nemo> so long as network-admin restores the settings in the interfaces file, that is what is important I suppose
[18:04] <dooglus> nemo: I don't use network-applet or whatever - I've not had much luck with it
[18:05] <setuid> thanks
[18:05] <nemo> dooglus: well, I didn't either - although wifi-radar usually wasn't too bad.
[18:05] <nemo> dooglus: but, I'd wanted to move to it since I can't be around all the time when she needs maintenance
[18:05] <nemo> she prefers the linux side, but right now on the road only windows has worked
[18:06] <Belisarivs> Hi all.
[18:06] <rsk> hey
[18:07] <pvandewyngaerde> how can i measure memory bandwith ?
[18:08] <rsk> pvandewyngaerde: you can see your memory's bandwith in hwinfo afaik
[18:10] <Kliment> ok, I found out what the samba issue is, it is no longer possible for me to browse the root of a server
[18:11] <pvandewyngaerde> rsk:  on what line ?
[18:11] <pvandewyngaerde> what item ?
[18:12] <ggordon> beta is smokin'!
[18:13] <rsk> crack!
[18:13] <ggordon> finally something better than XP....
[18:13] <m1r> lol
[18:13] <m1r> not much to comapre there ggordon
[18:13] <ggordon> hehe
[18:14] <ggordon> 8.04 beta is working very well for me...not a hiccup yet..
[18:15] <ggordon> I'm not too demanding though....
[18:15] <rsk> pvandewyngaerde: um tty lshw-gtk
[18:16] <ggordon> I have crap-canned XP and that made me feel all warm and fuzzy for ubuntu
[18:16] <rsk> oh jesus
[18:17] <rsk> windows sure can be filled with malmware
[18:18] <m1r> M$ is mal-spy-vir-ware
[18:18] <ggordon> every web site you go to nowadays wants to slip you a little something.. :)
[18:19] <pvandewyngaerde> lshw-gtk even reports wrong memory total
[18:19] <bazhang> dont forget adware ;]
[18:19] <stefg> thehe adblock and noscript-extensions for Firefox are your friend .... living at an ubuntu repo near you ! :-)
[18:19] <m1r> :)
[18:20] <ggordon> right..
[18:20] <stefg> But that's actually sometging to discss in #ubuntu-offtopic, since it's not related to hardy beta testing in particular
[18:20] <m1r> pvandewyngaerde: how much mem you got ?
[18:20] <bazhang> sorry stefg
[18:20] <stefg> That was as well directed at me, myself and I
[18:20] <ggordon> ubuntu sees and works well in my network now that I got samba installed and eited smb.conf to my needs..
[18:21] <pvandewyngaerde> 4 GiB
[18:21] <pvandewyngaerde> on 64 Bit
[18:21] <m1r> how much it sees ?
[18:21] <ggordon> can check out XP and ubuntu box from my ppc...no probs
[18:21] <m1r> ggordon , #ubuntu-offtopic
[18:22] <dooglus> I've rebooted after upgrading to hardy and not gdmgreeter hangs using 100% CPU, and doesn't show me the gdm screen
[18:22] <ggordon> gimme a break...
[18:22]  * Lunks gives ggordon
[18:22] <ggordon> say something nice about 8.04 beta and it's off topic??
[18:23] <mluser-work> I'm having a problem with gdm after the recent updates, if I have 'Human List' theme selected gdmgreeter uses 99% of my cpu and never presents the login screen, but using the default 'Human' works fine
[18:24] <bazhang> ggordon: this is more for those who have problems ;]
[18:24] <mluser-work> dooglus: if you can get a ssh terminal to that box.. just run 'sudo gdmsetup' and select the default 'Human' theme
[18:25] <ggordon> ahh...no probs here....adios
[18:25] <pvandewyngaerde> m1r:  6 GiB
[18:26] <DrHala1> hi
[18:26] <DrHala1> did the gnome drive menu change
[18:26] <DrHala1> cause there are tabs missing like "volumes"
[18:27] <m1r> pvandewyngaerde: sry m8, i didnt have problems setting up, but 4gb :/
[18:28] <dooglus> mluser-work: I hadn't tried switching themes
[18:28] <dooglus> mluser-work: but I do use human-list
[18:28] <dooglus> mluser-work: and commenting out the use of human-list fixes it - thanks!
[18:29] <mluser-work> dooglus: that is also the theme I was using
[18:29] <stefg> DrHala1: there's a security related discussion going on, on how to handle user mounts... my guess is that it is disabled until a reasonable way is found
[18:30] <stefg> DrHala1: Search the launchpad bug databse for 'permissions'
[18:31] <tapox> Can someone help me with an april fools joke?
[18:32] <m1r> can i use "prism54usb" from 7.10 and copy it to 8.04 ?
[18:32] <dooglus> tapox: sure
[18:32] <tapox> 401-598-6064
[18:32] <tapox> Wish Nick a Happy Valentine's Day. Then hang up.
[18:33] <dooglus> Nick?
[18:33] <tapox> dooglus: Roommate.
[18:33] <dooglus> oh, I see
[18:33] <dooglus> I'm not in the US
[18:33] <pvandewyngaerde> me neither
[18:33] <tapox> Also, has anyone else experienced problems connecting to wireless networks since upgrading to Hardy?
[18:33] <m1r> <me
[18:33] <tapox> It displays them, but it won't connect.
[18:33] <mluser-work> tapox: are you using the madwifi drivers?
[18:34] <tapox> I don't know. I used whatever was stock on Gutsy.
[18:34] <tapox> It's an intel 3945 abg
[18:35] <SErge> hello
[18:35] <SErge> why it is not possible to change resolution with sudo dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg ?
[18:35] <SErge> in ubuntu beta
[18:36] <CookedGryphon> hi, i can't seem to get x to use the sis driver, it keeps reverting to vesa, even if i test and it works fine, i say keep configuration, next time i start it up it will have gone back to vesa. I need the sis driver so i can do screen rotation (i'm getting a pretty major crick in my neck...)
[18:37] <ForzaPalermo> hey guys any lick getting system-config-samba working in hardy heron?
[18:38] <SErge> in hardy is available only 800 x 600 resolution  :)
[18:38] <m1r> who needs more then 800x600 ?
[18:39] <dooglus> tapox: I've had to take the network down and back up again to get connected once since upgrading
[18:39] <dooglus> tapox: it booted with eth1 'up' but not working.  'ifdown' then 'ifup' fixed it
[18:40] <CookedGryphon> any ideas or am i gonna have to balance my screen upside down?
[18:42] <nemo> CookedGryphon: no clue and no time to look, but I imagine you'd have better luck if you posted contents of your Xorg.0.log or whatever display you are on
[18:42] <DanaG> Is it actually trampling on xorg.conf?
[18:42] <nemo> CookedGryphon: which probably would say *why* SIS is failing
[18:43] <raymondjtoth> hi need some help any one up for it
[18:43] <raymondjtoth> wioth the beta
[18:43] <raymondjtoth> ?
[18:43] <raymondjtoth> any here cna help me with the beta
[18:44] <jbroome> can you be a little more specific
[18:44] <raymondjtoth> i have a dell e 1505 and my wireless card dotn work what i do?
[18:44] <raymondjtoth> i have new 8.04 beta
[18:44] <jbroome> did it work with gutsy?
[18:45] <raymondjtoth> jb 7.10 it worked fin in
[18:45] <raymondjtoth> jb fine in it whhat i do
[18:45] <jbroome> probably should have stayed with gutsy until hardy was done
[18:45] <raymondjtoth> jb what i do now
[18:46] <raymondjtoth> using on laptop 2 pc
[18:46] <flake> hardy delayed by 3 months - april fools?
[18:46] <raymondjtoth> 7.10 beta workled fine
[18:46] <raymondjtoth> jb what i do now
[18:47] <raymondjtoth> see no help :(
[18:47]  * tgelter likes the "today-themed-topic"
[18:48] <DanaG> raymondjtoth: install b43-fwcutter
[18:48] <raymondjtoth>  i have a dell e 1505 and my wireless card dotn work what i do?
[18:48] <mindframe-> no xmms in hardy?!?!?!
[18:49] <mindframe-> it may be deprecated, but its simple and actually works, unlike audacious.
[18:49] <raymondjtoth> mine did you see my q
[18:50] <flake> how is hardy > feisty or what changes..  is there a link on the improvements besides updating the synaptic repository?
[18:50] <stefg> mindframe-: it's soooooo outdated that it might have run out of lib compatibility.
[18:50] <raymondjtoth>  i have a dell e 1505 and my wireless card dotn work what i do?
[18:50] <raymondjtoth> realy getting anoyed
[18:50] <stefg> mindframe-: and no fun with pulse-audio ... no output module#
[18:50] <raymondjtoth> and mad about realy to throw lapy out window
[18:51] <mindframe-> stefg, so what kind of simplified audio players are available?
[18:51] <mindframe-> audacious crashes every time i try to open an mp3 stream
[18:51] <raymondjtoth> any helop for me
[18:52] <m1r> mindframe-: try amarok ?
[18:52] <raymondjtoth> or will i have to reformat and go back to windows
[18:52]  * magnetron is disgruntled by the release plan failure for hardy
[18:52] <m1r> 8.07 :P
[18:52] <raymondjtoth> any help for my q?
[18:52] <mindframe-> eww its a kde prog
[18:52] <stefg> mindframe-: 'simple' is arelative term  ... bmp is sort of related, but i use vlc in skined mode as the Grand Unified Media Player .... meaninf i use vlc for everything from watching TV to music to streaming
[18:52] <raymondjtoth> or am i out of luck and need to go to a payed version
[18:53] <raymondjtoth> :(
[18:53] <psevD> hi
[18:53] <mindframe-> vlc is pretty good
[18:53] <psevD> i want to change server and i use the instructrion /server name of server
[18:53] <stefg> raymondjtoth: relax... breathe .... and be aware that not all restricted drivers or firmware files might be ready yet
[18:54] <psevD> but nothing...
[18:54] <raymondjtoth> yes understand and what i do if not
[18:54] <psevD> how can i do it?
[18:54] <raymondjtoth> to get wireless working for now
[18:54] <jbroome> raymondjtoth: reload gutsy
[18:54] <raymondjtoth> jb dont want to want to use the beta
[18:54] <raymondjtoth> on lapy
[18:54] <jbroome> raymondjtoth: gutsy isn't beta
[18:54] <stefg> raymondjtoth: what chipset is that ?
[18:54] <raymondjtoth> jb only got beta cd made
[18:55] <raymondjtoth> and burner whent out
[18:55] <raymondjtoth> on desktop
[18:55] <jbroome> SoL
[18:55] <raymondjtoth> so im stuck on beta
[18:55] <ulisse> 'lo guys
[18:55] <jbroome> from the topic:  " Please make sure you know how to
[18:55] <jbroome>           administer an Ubuntu system (including broken dependencies), and how
[18:55] <jbroome>           to fix it when it breaks, before installing Hardy."
[18:57] <adinc_> has anyone used a bluetooth gps with ubuntu? which tools do help here connecting?
[18:59] <SErge> hey
[18:59] <SErge> anyone know, how to change the screen resolution in hardy?
[18:59] <DanaG> Oh yeah, if I use faubackup for backing up stuff, and faubackup uses lots of inodes... what filesystem should I use?
[18:59] <DanaG> For the backup target, I mean.
[18:59] <DanaG> It'll need to be able to have lots and lots of directories, and hardlinks to things.
[18:59] <jbroome> !resolution
[18:59] <ubotu> The X Window System is the part of your system that's responsible for graphical output. To restart your X, type « sudo /etc/init.d/?dm restart » in a console - To fix screen resolution or other X problems: http://help.ubuntu.com/community/FixVideoResolutionHowto
[19:00] <DanaG> xfs, jfs, reiserfs, or just ext3?
[19:00] <DanaG> or ufs or reiser4?
[19:00] <jbroome> if you have to ask, use ext3
[19:01] <DanaG> I won't run out of inodes?
[19:01] <DanaG> I don't know what the default limit is.
[19:03] <magnetron> DanaG: you can choose the number of inodes when you create your ext2 IIRC
[19:03] <mindframe-> DanaG, what is the primary use of your system going to be?
[19:04] <DanaG> I already have my root as ext3.
[19:04] <DanaG> The backup partition is what I'm pondering.
[19:04] <mindframe-> ext3 will be fine
[19:09] <Derspankster> Installed 8.04 on laptop, wireless broken now. Used ndiswrapper before. Do I need to uninstall it to use the BCM43 driver?
[19:09] <jaffarkelshac> i am having problems sharing files,
[19:10] <jaffarkelshac> is there anyone in here
[19:12] <Derspankster> sharing files on a network?
[19:14] <Derspankster> jaffarkelshac: you still there?
[19:16] <jbroome> Looks like he lost his spot in the help queue.  NEXT!
[19:17] <rust> Is there any reason this should fail from cron...
[19:17] <rust> * * * * * DISPLAY=:0.0 /usr/bin/notify-send -u normal -t 3600000 MIS_Check "Check MIS page now."
[19:17] <SErge> i can't edit resolution and other stuff with  sudo dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg
[19:18] <SErge>  xserver-xorg is like incomplete..
[19:18] <SErge> BETA maybe?
[19:18] <SErge> :)
[19:18] <heartsblood> What is the average cpu usage for the xorg process.
[19:18] <heartsblood> what should it be*?
[19:19] <heartsblood> xorg seems to be hovering around 16%.  I can't figure why
[19:20] <jaffarkelshac> Derspankster i just got back. i am here
[19:20] <rust> heartsblood, seems really hight to me
[19:20] <jaffarkelshac> i keep getting an error when i try to share folders
[19:23] <pedreo> Hi! Is it true that xserver-xorg-input-evtouch is broken?
[19:26] <heartsblood> What Xorg %cpu value does everybody get with just 2 windows open?
[19:28] <rust> heartsblood, I've got 4 desktops with a total of 10 windows open
[19:28] <rust> max 8% but usually %2-3
[19:28] <heartsblood> hm
[19:28] <heartsblood> I wonder why mine is so high
[19:28] <heartsblood> I noticed it right after I updated to 8.04
[19:30] <Turski> heartsblood: what cpu?
[19:30] <heartsblood> Don't remember tbh.  What's the command to look at the cpu?
[19:30] <jbroome> cat /proc/cpuinfo
[19:30] <heartsblood> ty
[19:30] <heartsblood> xp 3500
[19:31] <heartsblood> 6800u gfx card.  Old but not terrible
[19:32] <jaffarkelshac> has anyone got file sharing working?
[19:32] <dooglus> heartsblood: xorg seems to be a lot slower in hardy than gutsy for me too
[19:33] <dooglus> jaffarkelshac: azureus works for me
[19:33] <nemo> dooglus: hey. you said you were on iwl3945 too right?
[19:33] <dooglus> nemo: yup
[19:33] <nemo> hm
[19:33] <heartsblood> Jaffarkelshac: smb?
[19:33] <nemo> dooglus: I asked my mom to restart to test your config
[19:33] <jaffarkelshac> not peer to peer, network sharing
[19:33] <jaffarkelshac> folder sharing
[19:33] <dooglus> nemo: I use these 2: iwl3945                89844  0
[19:33] <dooglus> iwlwifi_mac80211      219108  1 iwl3945
[19:34] <jaffarkelshac> i keep getting an error when i try to share a folder
[19:34] <nemo> # lsmod | grep iwl
[19:34] <nemo> iwl3945                89844  0
[19:34] <nemo> iwlwifi_mac80211      219108  1 iwl3945
[19:34] <nemo> cfg80211               15112  1 iwlwifi_mac80211
[19:34] <nemo> what is cfg80211 I wonder
[19:34] <heartsblood> whats the error?
[19:34] <dooglus> jaffarkelshac: using windows SMB stuff you mean?  or what protocol?
[19:34] <nemo> dooglus: anyway, I'm getting what appear to be DHCP errors
[19:34] <jaffarkelshac> dooglus, 'net usershare' returned error 255: net usershare: cannot open usershare directory /var/lib/samba/usershares. Error Permission denied
[19:34] <jaffarkelshac> thats the error
[19:35] <dooglus> nemo: grepping the process list for dhcp:
[19:35] <dooglus> dhcp      7322     1  0 19:18 ?        00:00:00 dhclient3 -e IF_METRIC=100 -pf /
[19:35] <nemo> [   59.099088] ADDRCONF(NETDEV_UP): eth1: link is not ready
[19:36] <nemo> fortunately she has a wired connection so I can experiment like this
[19:36] <dooglus> jaffarkelshac: what command are you running?
[19:36] <jaffarkelshac> no commands, when i right click there is an option, share option
[19:37] <SErge> hi
[19:37] <SErge> is there GUI editor of xorg.conf in hardy like in gutsy?
[19:37] <dooglus> jaffarkelshac: in nautilus?
[19:37] <SErge> because i can't find it..
[19:37] <m11> gedit
[19:38] <jaffarkelshac> dooglus, yeah,
[19:38] <SErge> m11
[19:38] <SErge> :D
[19:38] <SErge> i mean other..
[19:38] <m11> gvim ?
[19:38] <dooglus> jaffarkelshac: I don't usually run nautilus, but I just tried it.  when I right-clicked a folder it just crashed, saying:
[19:38] <dooglus> ** (nautilus:31999): WARNING **: Unable to add monitor: Not supported
[19:38] <dooglus> nautilus: symbol lookup error: /usr/lib/nautilus/extensions-2.0/libnautilus-burn-extension.so: undefined symbol: nautilus_file_info_get_location
[19:38] <SErge> :d
[19:38] <dooglus> good thing hardy's been delayed 3 months - it certainly doesn't seem to be anywhere near ready yet :)
[19:39] <SErge> graphical configuration tool for X .
[19:39] <jaffarkelshac> dooglus, can i just be certain, so we are on the same page. what is nautilus
[19:39] <jaffarkelshac> oh so its true 3 month delay. that sucks
[19:40] <nemo> dooglus: also odd. if I do ifdown eth1 it issues a DHCP release to the correct IP
[19:40] <m11> seems we have time to report more bugs
[19:40] <nemo> dooglus: even though an IP was never assigned according to ifconfig
[19:40] <dooglus> jaffarkelshac: it's the GNOME file manager - it also draws the desktop icons
[19:40] <nemo> dooglus: doing an ifup does fail in dhcp though
[19:41] <SErge> :rofl:
[19:41] <SErge> in xp i change the resolution in 5sec, in ubuntu i need to search all the google to do this :D
[19:41] <jaffarkelshac> dooglus, and what is X, so if you dont run nautilus what do you run
[19:42] <dooglus> nemo: http://dooglus.rincevent.net/random/ifdown-and-up.txt shows what I see when I ifdown and ifup
[19:42] <magnetron> popey: it seems like i cannot upload your screencast to wikimedia commons, since the theme, the ubuntu and firefox logos, the websites you visit and the CD cover you show aren't licensed under a free license. thx for you effort though!
[19:42] <nemo> dooglus: mine is failing at the offer
[19:42] <dooglus> jaffarkelshac: I don't really use a file manager.  I never really understood why people like seeing their files represented by icons.  I find the command line much more powerful
[19:42] <m11> jaffarkelshac: u shouldnt be runing beta version yet m8
[19:43] <mydoghasworms> Hi everybody!
[19:43] <m11> !topic | jaffarkelshac
[19:43] <jaffarkelshac> it was the only version that would work on my laptop flawless,
[19:43] <mydoghasworms> Is anyone using Aptana on 8.04?
[19:44] <nemo> dooglus: http://m8y.org/tmp/wireless.txt
[19:45] <jaffarkelshac> m11,  i am able to adjust my lcd brightness, resolution is correct so i am using it for the moment from my pen drive.
[19:45] <dooglus> nemo: I see - it all seems to be working, except that its not receiving any offers of an IP address
[19:46] <Lunks> I'm getting some trouble with dpkg:
[19:46] <Lunks> dpkg: parse error, in file `/var/lib/dpkg/available' near line 36:
[19:47] <nemo> dooglus: only with your layout though :)
[19:48] <nemo> dooglus: with network-admin doesn't even manage that
[19:48] <dooglus> nemo: is wpa_supplicant running?
[19:49] <dooglus> nemo: I see: root     32251     1  0 20:41 ?        00:00:00 /sbin/wpa_supplicant -B -P /var/run/wpa_supplicant.eth1.pid -i eth1 -D wext -C /var/run/wpa_supplicant
[19:49] <jaffarkelshac> does anyone know why hardy was delayed
[19:49] <dooglus> jaffarkelshac: April Fool!
[19:49] <dooglus> jaffarkelshac: (probably)
[19:49] <Lunks> Also, to let devs know one more time, I'm having to do an ifup eth0 everytime I start Ubuntu or change my static ip address
[19:50] <nemo> dooglus: nope. interesting, that.
[19:50] <nemo> hm :)
[19:50] <jaffarkelshac> dooglus, i did not realise ppl do that
[19:50] <mydoghasworms> I am using Aptana Studio 1.1.4.008288, but when doing a preview, I get a message that an SWT error has occurred.
[19:50] <jaffarkelshac> dooglus, so do you not use gui at all.
[19:51] <Lunks> jaffarkelshac: it didn't change on homepage, so it must be a joke indeed.
[19:51] <dooglus> nemo: it's only running after 'ifup'...  'ifdown' stops it
[19:51] <Lunks> jaffarkelshac: http://www.ubuntu.org
[19:51] <nemo> dooglus: I did run ifup though
[19:52] <nemo> [ 1332.835146] eth1: deauthenticate(reason=3)
[19:52] <nemo> [ 1834.021136] ADDRCONF(NETDEV_UP): eth1: link is not ready
[19:52] <nemo> last two lines of dmesg
[19:52] <nemo> after executing that command directly
[19:52] <nemo> dooglus: it did authenticate, too
[19:52] <nemo> and associate
[19:53] <nemo> dooglus: rerunning ifup
[19:54] <dooglus> nemo: I tried putting a wrong password in the file.  wpa_supplicant still ran, and was still running even after dhcp client had given up waiting for an offer
[19:54] <nemo> it *is* running now
[19:54] <dooglus> ok
[19:55] <nemo> dooglus: now I get same output as from running it by hand. interesting
[19:55] <dooglus> is the router set up to use wpa and tkip etc?
[19:56] <nemo> dooglus: http://m8y.org/tmp/dmesg.txt
[19:56] <nemo> dooglus: yep. router actually is unchanged.
[19:56] <nemo> dooglus: what stopped working was her machine.
[19:57] <nemo> dooglus: if I run wpa_supplicant in verbose mode, the handshake occurs
[19:57] <nemo> although same errors still appear in dmesg.
[19:57] <nabcore> I've updated from gutsy to hardy beta, but the OS seems to be using the old 2.6.22 kernel and not the 2.6.24 one. Any ideas why?
[19:57] <nemo> perhaps they are not critical
[19:57] <nemo> dooglus: I *am* able to manually set an IP address though. odd, that.
[19:58] <dooglus> nemo: http://dooglus.rincevent.net/random/dmesg.txt -- almost identical to yours
[19:59] <nemo> ok. so my issue is with dhcp
[19:59] <nemo> hm. let me make sure router is doing *that* correctly on wireless ;)
[19:59] <dooglus> nemo: how's your /etc/dhcp3/dhclient.conf look?
[20:00] <nemo> $ grep -Ev "^[[:space:]]*#|^[[:space:]]*$" /etc/dhcp3/dhclient.conf
[20:00] <nemo> send host-name "<hostname>";
[20:00] <nemo> request subnet-mask, broadcast-address, time-offset, routers, domain-name, domain-name-servers, host-name, netbios-name-servers, netbios-scope;
[20:00] <nemo> timeout 30;
[20:00] <bluefoxx> so i installed this morning's updates and now three of my four scsi drives wont detect. two are cause of the cable but the other should be fine
[20:00] <nemo> dooglus: the wired connection works fine
[20:01] <nemo> or I wouldn't be able to work on debugging this...
[20:03] <dooglus> nemo: not sure what the problem is then...
[20:03] <nemo> hm
[20:03] <nemo> dooglus: when I do ifup - that's what reads /etc/network/interfaces ?
[20:04] <dooglus> nemo: i'm not sure
[20:04] <nabcore> any ideas on my kernel question?
[20:04] <nemo> nabcore: didn't reboot, didn't select right entry in grub...
[20:04] <dooglus> nemo: ifdown, edit interfces, ifup -- that's enough to break things
[20:04] <nemo> 'k :)
[20:05] <nemo> that's the sort of thing I don't dare do remotely ;)
[20:05] <dooglus> nemo: sure
[20:05] <nemo> alrighty. guess I'll doublecheck router dhcp...
[20:05] <nemo> dooglus: I think it works under windows though. not sure, but I think so.
[20:05] <nabcore> nemo; it's not actually appearing anywhere in grub, which is a bit of a mystery
[20:06] <nemo> nabcore: you changed your grub at some point such that it can no longer add new kernel lines?
[20:06] <dooglus> nemo: I went through similar problems with my mother's laptop.  took ages to get her wireless driver working with ubuntu, but we got it sorted eventually
[20:06] <dooglus> (then the hdd crashed, she got a new laptop, and stuck with XP)
[20:06] <nabcore> nemo yes, I think I modded it with a vga=x flag.
[20:06] <sourcemaker> have installed the kubuntu gusty beta.... now I receive the information... that there are 89 kde related upates? Why are there any changes to kde? I do not know... that there is a new revision available?
[20:06] <nemo> dooglus: she's definitely used to ubuntu at this point. wants me to put it on a second laptop
[20:06] <nabcore> nemo, ok... that would explain the reason why
[20:07] <nemo> nabcore: there are parts of your grub.conf you can change just fine
[20:07] <nemo> nabcore: I suppose that means you *carelessly* changed your grub.conf ;)
[20:07] <nabcore> nemo: ;)
[20:07] <nemo> nabcore: you should read the comments in there - global change to vga is doable, or you could have added a custom entry at the bottom
[20:08] <nabcore> nemo; is there anyway of "reversing" this?
[20:08] <nemo> nabcore: I suppose you could have my grub.conf
[20:08] <nemo> I didn't put anything interesting in it.
[20:08] <nemo> on this machine anyway
[20:09] <nemo> er. menu.lst
[20:09] <nemo> whatever :-p
[20:09] <nabcore> nemo; I can edit it myself, but next time I update a kernel, I want it to "do the right thing" and add the new kernel's details
[20:09] <nemo> nabcore: right. sooo, replace it with a "proper" one.
[20:09] <nemo> one-sec
[20:10] <nemo> nabcore: this is off the dell I bought to support their linux program, so the one amusing thing is  the custom entry they add :)
[20:10] <nabcore> nemo; thank you for you help and advice here
[20:11] <nemo> nabcore: http://m8y.org/tmp/menu.lst
[20:11] <nabcore> thank you
[20:11] <nemo> nabcore: you'll probably want to strip that last entry :-p
[20:11] <nemo> and replace # groot=(hd0,2)
[20:11] <nemo> with whatever is appropriate to yours
[20:12] <nabcore> ok
[20:12] <ph8> Hey all, does anyone know another about the xen-server package? I'm wondering when the next update is due
[20:14] <nemo> nabcore: and regenerate it ;)
[20:14] <sourcemaker> why are there so many kde related updates to hardy?
[20:14] <nabcore> nemo; how do I regnerate it?
[20:15] <nemo> trivial way is to reinstall a kernel
[20:19] <nemo> dooglus: WOOT
[20:19] <nemo> dooglus: I enabled/disabled wireless on the router
[20:19] <nemo> AND IT WORKED
[20:20] <nemo> !@#$ pos
[20:20] <nemo> there was NOTHING in settings to imply that
[20:20] <gaetronik> is anyone intented use grub2 in order to boot from software raid?
[20:21] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about pos - try searching on http://ubotu.ubuntu-nl.org/factoids.cgi
[20:21] <nemo> heh
[20:21] <nemo> 'sok ubotu, you tried :)
[20:22] <gaetronik> !grub
[20:22] <gaetronik> !@#$ grub
[20:23] <ph8> Hey guys, i've got a server running gutsy - there's a xen-kernel package i quite fancy in hardy
[20:23] <ubotu> grub is the default Ubuntu boot manager. Lost grub after installing windows: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/RecoveringUbuntuAfterInstallingWindows - Making GRUB floppies & other GRUB howtos: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/GrubHowto
[20:23] <ph8> can i just get that package? or do i have to upgrade the entire OS?
[20:23] <gaetronik> !@#$ grub2
[20:23] <m13> lol
[20:24] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about grub2 - try searching on http://ubotu.ubuntu-nl.org/factoids.cgi
[20:24] <jaffarkelshac> how do you ask ubotu a question
[20:25] <magnetron> !msgthebot | jaffarkelshac
[20:25] <SaschaRed> I am beta testing 8.04, and an update just switched out my theme to the 7.10 theme
[20:25] <SaschaRed> why did it do that
[20:25] <ubotu> jaffarkelshac: Please investigate with me only in /msg or in #ubuntu-bots (type also /msg ubotu Bot). Don't use commands in the public channels if you don't know if they really exist. Also avoid adding joke/useless factoids.
[20:25] <jbroome> ubotu is srs business
[20:25] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about is srs business - try searching on http://ubotu.ubuntu-nl.org/factoids.cgi
[20:26] <jbroome> damnit
[20:26] <nemo> haha
[20:26] <SaschaRed> i like the new theme dammit
[20:26] <SaschaRed> why did it drop back to he 7.10 theme
[20:26] <SaschaRed> i had 60 somthing updates and one of theme killed my theme
[20:27] <ph8> guys, i've got a server running gutsy - there's a xen-kernel package i quite fancy in hardy
[20:27] <ph8> can i just get that package? or do i have to upgrade the entire OS?
[20:27] <ph8> i could really do with the new xen kernel to stop my machine crashing
[20:27] <ph8> if i upgrade the entire os, i should just change the apt repositorys, dist-upgrade and reboot right - do you think that'll cause problems?
[20:30] <jbroome> yes
[20:30] <jbroome> update-manager -d
[20:30] <jbroome> *sudo
[20:31] <nabcore> hmmm with 8.04 beta, every time the machine starts, it trys to hibernate
[20:32] <jbroome> I don't like mornings either
[20:32] <m13> :)
[20:32] <ph8> jbroome: That'll work to upgrade to beta?
[20:33] <ph8> do you ever find there are many problems with server upgrades? In my experience it's only ever gnome/compiz that stops working
[20:33] <m13> server should not run X , then problems are minimal
[20:33] <ph8> good to hear
[20:34] <m13> ph8 , of course depends what u runing on server
[20:35] <zefanja> hi...tried to install ubuntu hardy from cd but I always get this error: hdc: drive not ready for command. Any hint?
[20:36] <ph8> m13: VPS setup :o
[20:38] <L33tMasta> I'm having an issue with shutting down/ restarting causing my screen to start displaying odd color lines and flicker
[20:39] <L33tMasta> Now it causes the screen to flicker very fast, purple lines appear and green ones between them followed by red
[20:42] <L33tMasta> Any ideas? It just hangs there and I can type but it's almost like a program is running control-C does nothing
[20:42] <joevandyk> how do i set a custom resolution?  my projector is 720p (1280x720), but that's not an option in the screen resolution tool.
[20:43]  * dwidmann prepares for another reinstall hoping for more success this run
[20:57] <jimiridge> patch tues
[20:57] <sourcemaker> is wubi working well?
[20:58] <SEJeff> sourcemaker, Well maybe you should try it and find out :)
[20:58] <cdm10> What happened to Screens and Graphics?
[21:00] <cdm10> It's no longer in the Administration menu...
[21:01] <cdm10> Also, whenever I try changing the resolution with displayconfig-gtk, it fails (in a VM) but it works fine when changing it with Preferences>Screen Resolution
[21:01] <jaffarkelshac> how come in ubuntu you cant play 2 sound files. one does not work
[21:02] <SEJeff> cdm10, screens and graphics is displayconfig-gtk. It was removed for the new gnome resolution utility fedora is working on
[21:02] <SEJeff> Look at System --> Preferences --> Screen Resolution
[21:02] <cdm10> SEJeff: Oh, ok... but that doesn't allow for selection of drivers, and more advanced stuff.
[21:03] <SEJeff> cdm10, But it allows perfect dualhead if your graphics card supports xrandr
[21:04] <cdm10> SEJeff: Hmm, okay...
[21:05] <SEJeff> cdm10, ALT F2 and type gksudo displayconfig-gtk
[21:05] <dwidmann> I wonder why the "scanning the mirror" part of the ubuntu install process takes 10-15 minutes.....
[21:06] <cdm10> SEJeff: it just seems like a step backwards...
[21:06] <cdm10> dwidmann: ugh, on older versions, it lets you skip that step...
[21:06] <SEJeff> cdm10, If you understood the displayconfig-gtk code, you would realize that it is the other way around
[21:06] <cdm10> dwidmann: now, if the server's slow, you just have to wait.
[21:07] <cdm10> SEJeff: Well, displayconfig-gtk lets me change my monitor model and the graphics driver I'm using... the other doesn't. I guess that on a real machine, rather than a VM, it would detect resolutions properly so the new tool would work.
[21:07] <dwidmann> cmd10: even if I ifconfig down eth0, it doesn't give up and it still takes forever :\
[21:07] <SEJeff> cdm10, Correct
[21:08] <cdm10> dwidmann: whenever I install, I don't connect to a network, and it skips that step... weird
[21:08] <cdm10> Is anyone here running Hardy in a VirtualBox VM
[21:08] <cdm10> ?
[21:09] <SEJeff> No, I'm running hardy on a real machine and talking to you on it
[21:09] <cdm10> Alright.
[21:10] <cdm10> I'm just wondering because VirtualBox's "Guest Additions" (software that enables guest-host file sharing, mouse sharing, faster graphics, etc.) don't install on Hardy.
[21:10] <SEJeff> Well that means they haven't made it work with the 2.6.24 kernel
[21:10] <SEJeff> That is up to Sun (who owns Innotek) to fix
[21:10] <dwidmann> cdm10: guess I'll unplug the cable from the nic and do the install that way from now on then .....
[21:10]  * dwidmann crawls off muttering obscenities
[21:11] <cdm10> SEJeff: That's what I was guessing, but I was wondering if anyone had been able to get it working.
[21:13] <joevandyk> how do i set a custom resolution?  my projector is 720p (1280x720), but that's not an option in the screen resolution tool.
[21:14] <cdm10> joevandyk: if you use the older Screens and Graphics tool, you can select a custom type of monitor
[21:14] <cdm10> joevandyk: hit alt-f2 and run gksudo displayconfig-gtk
[21:14] <joevandyk> screens and graphics tool?
[21:14] <nemo> cdm10: what is the error you get?
[21:14] <joevandyk> cdm10: ah, ok thanks
[21:14] <nemo> cdm10: 'cause I had run into some build issues with vbox recently under hardy
[21:14] <nemo> but seems to be fine now
[21:14] <cdm10> nemo: really?
[21:15] <cdm10> nemo: what version of virtualbox are you running?
[21:15] <nemo> cdm10: what happens when you just run make ?
[21:15] <nemo> cdm10: 1.5.6
[21:15] <cdm10> nemo: wait, we're talking about two different things.
[21:15] <nemo> no.
[21:15] <cdm10> nemo: I'm talking about a Gutsy host and a Hardy guest.
[21:15] <nemo> I know
[21:15] <cdm10> nemo: I'm not compiling virtualbox, I'm installing the Guest Additions in Hardy...
[21:15] <nemo> I know
[21:15] <cdm10> nemo: is that what you're talking about?
[21:15] <nemo> yes.
[21:15] <cdm10> one minute
[21:16] <nemo> make sure you are up to date on hardy.
[21:16] <cdm10> i am
[21:16] <nemo> rebuild guest extensions, and if it still fails
[21:16] <nemo> report error
[21:16] <nemo> obviously, rebuild from cli
[21:16] <cdm10> how should I rebuild? just run the script?
[21:16] <cdm10> i mean the one on the iso...
[21:16] <nemo> yeah? :)
[21:17] <cdm10> Hmm, I'm running a slightly old version of vbox
[21:17] <cdm10> I'll fix that first.
[21:17] <nemo> cdm10: that's the one that creates the kernel interface
[21:17] <nemo> er. kernel mod
[21:17] <nemo> sure
[21:17] <nemo> cdm10: how "slightly old" ? :)
[21:17] <cdm10> that may fix it, actually
[21:17] <cdm10> nemo: 1.5.2
[21:17] <nemo> YOW
[21:17] <nemo> ok.
[21:17] <nemo> the gutsy default
[21:17] <nemo> yeah. definitely update that sucker
[21:18] <nemo> just install their package instead
[21:18] <cdm10> i installed this from their package as well, but a while ago, i guess
[21:20] <cdm10> nemo: Have you noticed any issues with really high CPU usage with Hardy on vbox?
[21:20]  * dwidmann crosses his fingers and hopes it actually boots today
[21:20] <cdm10> nemo: like, VBox hardly uses any host CPU when the guest CPU isn't being used much, for Gutsy and for WinXP... but for Hardy, it constantly uses tons.
[21:20] <dwidmann> whoo hoo!
[21:22] <nemo> cdm10: not sure, but, could be related to initial indexing services hardy is using
[21:22] <SEJeff> cdm10, Do you have a gutsy vm available?
[21:23] <nemo> cdm10: heck. could be indexing your host mount :)
[21:23] <SEJeff> hardy disabled tracker
[21:23] <nemo> oh really?
[21:23] <nemo> huh.
[21:23] <SEJeff> Yes, it was from the technical board
[21:23] <nemo> 'k
[21:23] <nemo> missed that
[21:23] <cdm10> SEJeff: not atm
[21:23] <cdm10> nemo: w/o Guest Additions, it's not indexing my host mount :)
[21:24] <nemo> well. he said tracker was disabled anyway
[21:24] <cdm10> Yep.
[21:25] <nemo> cdm10: and this is with the actual process usage in hardy fairly low? nothing using cpu in top?
[21:25] <nemo> (don't have hardy running on vm at present, but never noticed that when I was)
[21:25] <cdm10> nemo: yep, the actual CPU usage was low...
[21:25] <cdm10> nemo: maybe guest additions will fix it
[21:26] <cdm10> nemo: hey, looks ilke the vbox upgrade itself may have fixed it
[21:26] <cdm10> nemo: because i'm not noticing the problem any more
[21:26] <nemo> heh
[21:27] <Pirate_Hunter> currently im using jfs as my filesystem but hardy seems to have other types, I would like to know whats better than jfs (excl. ext2/3 & reseirfs)?
[21:28] <SEJeff> reiser3 is fast, but just about unmaintained (google hans reiser murder trial)
[21:28] <tgelter> /etc/init.d/autofs start    <---produces this in syslog  --> http://pastebin.com/m5ff131fd
[21:28] <tgelter> any ideas?
[21:28] <SEJeff> ext3 is the most stable
[21:28] <cdm10> nemo: sweet! Guest Additions installed.
[21:28] <SEJeff> xfs is a good mix of stability and speed
[21:29] <dwidmann> reiserfs was always kind of laggy for me ..... made the whole sreen flinch whenever I went to access large amounts of things ... and it used a lot of cpu while doing it
[21:30] <SEJeff> Just a sec, there was a really good set of benchmarks posted on kernel planet for linux filesystems
[21:30] <Pirate_Hunter> SEJeff: xfs is that better than jfs its hard to knwo which filesystem is better i dont like ext3 and im tired of reseirfs dont ask why, its just my preference. JFs has always been good to me but now i need to know is there something better
[21:31] <SEJeff> http://tservice.net.ru/~s0mbre/old/?section=projects&item=fs_contest
[21:31] <DrHala1> Pirate_Hunter: why not ext3 its so common
[21:32] <SEJeff> Pirate_Hunter, And there are a set of unbiased benchmarks
[21:32] <dwidmann> Keeping in mind regarding to any benchmarks, it'll probably vary based on the speed of your cpu and your drive(s)
[21:33] <cps1966> what about dual xeon p4 dual core
[21:34] <Pirate_Hunter> DrHala1: like i said i just dont like it it didnt treat me nicely as jfs :( had a some bad encounters with it
[21:34] <Pirate_Hunter> what im looking for is the best file system in speed, reliability and good at defragmentation
[21:34] <whoop> howdy, can anybody help me with my audio? It totally stopped working after upgrade today. Volume control icon says:No volume control GStreamer plugins and/or devices found.
[21:35] <dwidmann> Pirate_Hunter: they should all be rather good at keeping fragmentation to a minimum really
[21:35] <gaetronik> whoop do you use the last alsa version
[21:36] <whoop> gaetronik: let me check
[21:36] <cps1966> i,ve been using reiserfs for about 2 yrs now and never had any trouble
[21:36] <Pirate_Hunter> dwidmann: in other words it depends on the user so everyone would have different opinions on different filesystems, in y case jfs but for other it would be ext3?
[21:36] <gaetronik> why use morderfs since it's not supported
[21:36] <jbroome> mordor?
[21:37] <jbroome> One does not simply fdisk into mordor
[21:37] <gaetronik> murder*
[21:37] <gaetronik> i ruined my joke
[21:37] <Pirate_Hunter> cps1966: i do admit that ext2/3 do give you much more hd space i.e. my 115gb hdd gets read as 120 if im not mistaken
[21:37] <jbroome> i tried for the assist
[21:37] <whoop> gaetronik: I am using alsa-base 1.0.1.16-0ubuntu4
[21:37] <Pirate_Hunter> gaetronik: :)
[21:38] <whoop> gaetronik: this should be the latest. As I ran all updates
[21:38] <gaetronik> whoop, you upgrade kernel?
[21:38] <whoop> yes
[21:38] <cps1966> i have 1.9 TB so size dont really matter
[21:38] <gaetronik> modules too?
[21:39] <Pirate_Hunter> cps1966: curse you i want that AHHHHHH :(
[21:39] <whoop> gaetronik: I updated every available update
[21:39] <cps1966> well i have lots of data to handle so i need double backups
[21:39] <gaetronik> look likes modules and kernel are not at the same version
[21:40] <gaetronik> what give a lsmod | grep snd?
[21:40] <whoop> gaetronik: this gives back nothing
[21:41] <_Angelus_> guys
[21:41] <cps1966> alsa should be 1.0.16
[21:41] <gaetronik> whoop, looks like you don't have any sound module loaded
[21:41] <_Angelus_> who putted that unicorn image on desktop of hardy ? O_O
[21:41] <_Angelus_> i got it after the updates
[21:41] <gaetronik> so your message is quite normal
[21:41] <whoop> gaetronik: ok so what do I do?
[21:41] <teamcobra> hey guys, I have a big problem
[21:42] <cps1966> whoop:  did you reboot
[21:42] <whoop> yes
[21:42] <whoop> I have 82801H (ICH8 Family) HD Audio Controller, it worked before the kernel upgrade
[21:42] <cps1966> modprobe your module
[21:42] <gaetronik> whoop, like cps1966 said
[21:42] <_Angelus_> why will hardy be delayed by 3months? :o
[21:42] <gaetronik> and if it don't work
[21:42] <teamcobra> I followed the first 2 pages of the openldap + samba controller howto at http://www.howtoforge.com/openldap-samba-domain-controller-ubuntu7.10-p2, at at the end of the 2nd page, I restarted the server.... I can ping it, but it denies all ssh/http requests
[21:43] <Pedantic-Steve> Angelus: http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=741833  will explain your desktop]
[21:43] <gaetronik> use the source luke
[21:43] <whoop> gaetronik: how do I do modprobe?
[21:43] <gaetronik> modprobe snd_yourdriver
[21:44] <whoop> ok, but I don't know which sound driver I was using...
[21:44] <cps1966> only trouble i'm having is damn usb cam kills off tvcard
[21:44] <gaetronik> whoop, google is your friend
[21:44] <rpedro> HAY, Just installed  the LiNsta theme so I can curse at my computer freely, for all the bugs in hardy beta =P
[21:44] <teamcobra> augh, brb, rebooting
[21:45] <whoop> allright, maybe I can boot into older kernel, check for sound driver and try in newer kernel ?
[21:45] <gaetronik> good way to see
[21:45] <whoop> ok, thanks allot. I'll go and try now
[21:46] <dwidmann> cdm10: you still around, I have a quick question if you are
[21:50] <cdm10> dwidmann: hey
[21:50] <icanhasadmin> question, if i have a beta version of hardy installed.. is there a specific command to get the "final" version come it's release?
[21:51] <dwidmann> cdm10: assuming you did skip the network configuration stage in the installer, how do you configure the network so it comes up without issue after the install. I've done it before I think, but it has been a long time
[21:51] <dwidmann> icanhasadmin: nothing more than sudo apt-get update && sudo apt-get dist-upgrade
[21:51] <icanhasadmin> ok that's what i thought
[21:52] <icanhasadmin> oh and this is probably a stupid question, why do i have 2 options of kernel versions in grub on boot?
[21:52] <dwidmann> icanhasadmin: I finally resolved my weird boot issue from yesterday this afternoon :)
[21:52] <_Angelus_> so why is hardy delayed ? :O
[21:52] <dwidmann> icanhasadmin: iss one gutsy (ie: 2.6.22-14) and the other hardy (2.6.24-12) or do you mean the recovery options?
[21:52] <gaetronik> _Angelus_, look at your calendar
[21:53] <whoop> gaetronik: just booted into old kernel and lsmod | grep sn returns allot of stuff
[21:53] <astan> hey. something is weird. i made a file containing just echo "hello" and tried sourcing it (source <file>). and i get "bash: ELF: command not found".
[21:53] <_Angelus_> oh
[21:53] <_Angelus_> another april fool :@
[21:53] <_Angelus_> lol
[21:53] <cdm10> dwidmann: after the install, it should just recognize the network as normal.
[21:53] <HorizonXP> my laptop with an NVidia GoForce 7600 seems to freeze randomly. The mouse still works, and it seems like my applications still run (i.e. music keeps playing), but I can't do anything. Ctrl+Alt+Backspace does nothing. Any help?
[21:53] <whoop> snd_hda_intel         439768  3
[21:53] <whoop> snd_pcm_oss            47648  0
[21:53] <whoop> snd_mixer_oss          20224  1 snd_pcm_oss
[21:53] <whoop> snd_pcm                92168  2 snd_hda_intel,snd_pcm_oss
[21:53] <whoop> snd_page_alloc         13200  2 snd_hda_intel,snd_pcm
[21:53] <whoop> snd_hwdep              12552  1 snd_hda_intel
[21:53] <cdm10> dwidmann: nothing special
[21:53] <whoop> snd_seq_dummy           5764  0
[21:53] <gaetronik> whoop, hay one which looks at which seems to be the driver of you card
[21:53] <whoop> snd_seq_oss            38912  0
[21:53] <cdm10> !paste | whoop
[21:53] <ubotu> whoop: pastebin is a service to post multiple-lined texts so you don't flood the channel. The Ubuntu pastebin is at http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org (make sure you give us the URL for your paste - see also the channel topic)
[21:53] <whoop> snd_seq_midi           10688  0
[21:53] <whoop> snd_rawmidi            29856  1 snd_seq_midi
[21:53] <whoop> snd_seq_midi_event     10112  2 snd_seq_oss,snd_seq_midi
[21:53] <whoop> snd_seq                63232  6 snd_seq_dummy,snd_seq_oss,snd_seq_midi,snd_seq_midi_event
[21:53] <cdm10> !ops | whoop
[21:53] <whoop> snd_timer              27912  2 snd_pcm,snd_seq
[21:53] <ubotu> whoop: Help! Channel emergency! (ONLY use this trigger in emergencies) - Mez, LjL, elkbuntu, imbrandon, DBO, gnomefreak, Hobbsee, rob, ompaul, Madpilot, Seveas, CarlK, crimsun, ajmitch, tritium, Nalioth, thoreauputic, apokryphos, tonyyarusso, PriceChild, Amaranth, jrib, jenda, nixternal, Myrtti, mneptok, Pici, Jack_Sparrow, nickrud, jpatrick or jussi01!
[21:53] <whoop> snd_seq_device         10644  5 snd_seq_dummy,snd_seq_oss,snd_seq_midi,snd_rawmidi,snd_seq
[21:53] <whoop> snd                    70856  17 snd_hda_intel,snd_pcm_oss,snd_mixer_oss,snd_pcm,snd_hwdep,snd_seq_dummy,snd_seq_oss,snd_rawmidi,snd_seq,snd_timer,snd_seq_device
[21:54] <dwidmann> cdm10: doesn't seem to here ....
[21:54] <whoop> soundcore              10400  1 snd
[21:54] <gaetronik> whoop, modprobe snd_hda_intel
[21:54] <whoop> whoops
[21:54] <icanhasadmin> dwidmann: no, its what you mentioned. they both say hardy but they are those 2 kernel versions. it's very odd
[21:54] <cdm10> dwidmann: that's strange... I haven't ever had issues connecting to a network after an install.
[21:54] <dwidmann> cdm10: wait, I'm a dingbat, nevermind
[21:54] <linkinxp> hello!
[21:54] <Luckrider> hey linkinxp
[21:54] <linkinxp> :D
[21:54] <linkinxp> i just install ubuntu and i like it
[21:54] <linkinxp> on my laptop
[21:54] <Luckrider> this is the chan for hardy heron
[21:54] <linkinxp> nice
[21:55] <Luckrider> np
[21:55] <linkinxp> now
[21:55] <linkinxp> how i update my Video drivers?
[21:55] <linkinxp> i have an inspiron 1525
[21:55] <cdm10> linkinxp: what do you mean by updating your video drivers?
[21:55] <linkinxp> does it do it by itself?
[21:55] <linkinxp> like windows i think it has the generic ones
[21:55] <dwidmann> cmd10: or wait, nope, still the same problem :(
[21:55] <cdm10> linkinxp: what type of graphics card do you have?
[21:56] <linkinxp> is an intel one
[21:56] <linkinxp> im using a laptop
[21:56] <Luckrider> what model?
[21:56] <cdm10> linkinxp: it should be set up automatically
[21:56] <icanhasadmin> linkinxp: please please please type complete thoughts out on 1 line. there are too many people here to write 2 words per line.
[21:56] <linkinxp> sorry!
[21:56] <icanhasadmin> sok
[21:56] <Luckrider> if not you can go to applications> other> Monitors and Graphics
[21:56] <cdm10> linkinxp: if you were using a card that would need restricted drivers (nVidia or ATi), it would prompt you to install it, but intel will work fine without any additional work on your part.
[21:56] <Luckrider> there you can change it
[21:56] <dwidmann> linkinxp: should need the intel driver ... xserver-xorg-video-intel
[21:57] <linkinxp> mmm ok ok ill check it
[21:57] <ompaul> !enter
[21:57] <ubotu> Please try to keep your questions/responses on one line - don't use the "Enter" key as punctuation!
[21:57] <astan> ah nevermind, i found the solution to my problem (http://thats-not-working.blogspot.com/2007/12/bash-elf-command-not-found.html)
[21:57] <icanhasadmin> dwidmann: hardy supports DRI with all intel cards by default.. i've seen it..
[21:58] <linkinxp> u see it has a Generic one! ill see how to install the right ones thanks guys\
[21:58] <adinc_> i'm getting Errors were encountered while processing: timidity
[21:58] <dwidmann> icanhasadmin: I agree, I'm using a 1420n right now!!
[21:58] <adinc_> does someone know how to fix this
[22:00] <teamcobra> anyone have any ideas re: the refusing ssh/http?
[22:00] <teamcobra> I kind of need to figure it out before I get kvm over ip going, it's $20/hr :/
[22:00] <linkinxp> Hardy wont come out in 23 days?
[22:01] <icanhasadmin> why not?
[22:01] <m13> 8.07
[22:01] <teamcobra> it's not scheduled to ;p
[22:01] <jbroome> it comes out when it's ready
[22:02] <Luckrider> it should be ready though
[22:02] <sotap> so the topic is an April Fools?
[22:02] <jbroome> is that today?
[22:02] <teamcobra> I'm guessing ;p
[22:03] <icanhasadmin> is it bad if apt-get dist-upgrade doesn't work?
[22:04] <_Angelus_> if there is no updates, it will not work
[22:05] <billisnice> i can not get movie player to play dvd's. I am using the gstream version?
[22:05] <icanhasadmin> _Angelus_: except on this box, i'm running gutsy
[22:05] <teamcobra> I'm having a crisis ;p
[22:05] <dwidmann> cdm10: I'm still getting a hostname lookup failure :(
[22:07] <dwidmann> cdm10: more proof that I'm a dingbat, I put in the command backwards o.O
[22:09] <dwidmann> cmd10: wait, that dind't work either
[22:15] <billisnice> it says it can not find autorun
[22:16] <mc-george> hey guys, was just wondering if the sound problem is fixed in 8.04?
[22:16] <teamcobra> ok, kvm is up, the box is hanging at starting kernel log daemon
[22:16] <icanhasadmin> mc-george: what sound problem?
[22:16] <teamcobra> which is no good.... ;p ;p how do I fix it?
[22:17] <icanhasadmin> mc-george: every sound card works in ubuntu with few exceptions. sometimes it just takes some tweaking.
[22:17] <mc-george> the problem where you hear static or random noise with headphones
[22:17] <icanhasadmin> mc-george: that would be more of an alsa update/upgrade if i'm not mistaken
[22:17] <mc-george> a what?
[22:17] <ph8> Is update-manager a GUI app?
[22:18] <Tuv0k> I associated totem with m3u and told ffbeta4 to remember it, yet nothing appears in the applications preferences. Where can I tell ff to forget that last request?
[22:18] <icanhasadmin> alsa... the audio drivers.
[22:18] <ph8> is there a way to upgrade to hardy for a server? i.e. without using update-manager?
[22:18] <mc-george> how do I update those?
[22:18] <icanhasadmin> mc-george: manual download from their website and compile it yourself
[22:18] <mc-george> I don't know how to do that, you think there is a tutorial?
[22:19] <icanhasadmin> mc-george: there are hundreds of them, lol
[22:19] <icanhasadmin> google is your friend. for now i must take off tho.
[22:19] <mc-george> how do I find out which one i need?
[22:19] <mindframe-> ph8, i think(not sure) you just replace all instances of gutsy w/ hardy in /etc/apt/sources.list. apt-get update && apt-get dist-upgrade
[22:19] <icanhasadmin> mc-george: well i would just use the latest drivers, there aren't different ones for different cards.
[22:20] <mc-george> how do I know if I'm using them
[22:20] <teamcobra> wow, looks like this box is h0sed
[22:21] <mc-george> anyone know about my problem and if it is fixed in 8.04?
[22:22] <linkinxp> hey guys how i put this commando xkill into a keyboard shortcut?
[22:23] <_Angelus_> so
[22:23] <_Angelus_> is there a way to make hardy use emerald as window decorator?
[22:23] <_Angelus_> :/
[22:24] <m13> replace --emerald ?
[22:24] <_Angelus_> not the geeky way
[22:24] <_Angelus_> :p
[22:24] <_Angelus_> like from ccsm
[22:28] <whoop> My sound driver is gone after latest kernel update. I try to modprobe snd_hda_intel but I get: FATAL: Module snd_hda_intel not found
[22:28] <dooglus> this new iwl3945 wireless module is amazing!  I've been online for over 3 hours now without having to reconnect to the router!
[22:30] <nemo> dooglus: well. I got happy that mine was finally working...
[22:30] <nemo> but, now it seems to be failing again
[22:30] <nemo> my only small point of joy is that it apparently is failing in windows too
[22:30] <nemo> so, is probably all due to the router
[22:31] <jbroome> or bad hardware
[22:31] <nemo> dooglus: the interesting thing is that the recorded lease did work
[22:31] <nemo> jbroome: well. resetting the router worked
[22:31] <nemo> DHCPDISCOVER on eth1 to 255.255.255.255 port 67 interval 7
[22:31] <nemo> No DHCPOFFERS received.
[22:31] <nemo> Trying recorded lease 192.168.1.107
[22:31] <crimsun> whoop: because l-u-m hasn't built yet.
[22:31] <linkinxp> what do i press to invoke this /apps/metacity/keybinding_commands/command_1???
[22:31] <crimsun> whoop: just be patient; it'll be available in the next couple days.
[22:31] <nemo> dooglus: the odd thing about the above results from ifup is that it did not manage even that on its own
[22:32] <nemo> dooglus: the recorded lease thing I mean...
[22:32] <nemo> when I connected, eth1 was still down.
[22:33] <whoop> crimsun: ok so I guess I use old kernel untill release...
[22:33] <nemo> even though I had asked my mom to try a reboot to test the setup
[22:33] <Raspberry> another dist-upgrade today
[22:33] <nemo> jbroome: I 'spose. although only one card to test, and I'm remote
[22:33] <Raspberry> yeeeeeeeeeeee hawwwwwwww
[22:33] <crimsun> whoop: right, I'm using a locally modified -12.22 myself.
[22:33] <nemo> jbroome: and yeah, starting/stopping wifi on router did seem to do the trick
[22:33] <whoop> thanks
[22:33] <Raspberry> dooglus: I bought a new router and my connectivity issues went away
[22:37] <Raspberry> I can't get 802.11n working on my Intel Wireless WiFi Link 4965AGN
[22:37] <Raspberry> It comes with N disabled from the factory :)
[22:37] <Raspberry> but that was because Intel didn't have working drivers for it last year
[22:38] <teamcobra_> ok, this box hangs on boot at klogd..... any ideas?
[22:38] <teamcobra_> it's a server... so I'm working over kvm
[22:38] <Raspberry> this looks to be the configuration... configuration: broadcast=yes driver=iwl4965 ip=192.168.0.1 latency=0 module=iwl4965 multicast=yes wireless=IEEE 802.11g
[22:38] <Raspberry> but that changes based on the network I'm connected to
[22:38] <nemo> 17:38 -!- Topic for #ipw2100: http://intellinuxwireless.org - Need ipw{2{{1,2}00,915},3945} iwl{3945,4965} help?  Pastebin  your lspci, dmesg output - http://rafb.net/paste/ || 2.6.24's iwlwifi does not have led or .n support enabled
[22:39] <nemo> Raspberry: that last bit seems relevant to you
[22:39] <Raspberry> nemo thx
[22:39] <Raspberry> yeah :)
[22:39] <Raspberry> I'm in the channel, I suppose I should read the topic
[22:39] <Raspberry> 2.4.26 must incorporate the new N support... i hope
[22:39] <Raspberry> I suppose I could check out 2.6.25 and see what they're doing
[22:41] <Raspberry> I can't wait until these SSD come down in price
[22:41] <ph8> should my server be running 2.6.24-12-xen or 2.6.24-12-server?
[22:42] <ph8> is -server my distribution's kernel and i'm just getting confused -- nothing to do with xen?
[22:42] <rsk> ph8: do you want xen support ?
[22:42] <Raspberry> ph8: are you virtualizing anything with XEN on the server?
[22:42] <Raspberry> ph8: you can run generic and be safe... you can run server and potentially improve performance / memory management
[22:43] <ph8> yes
[22:43] <ph8> quite a lot
[22:43] <ph8> well, it's a virtualisation server :p
[22:43] <ph8> i've just upgraded my entire OS to get the latest available xen kernel
[22:44] <ph8> upgrade actually worked and it reboots, which shocks me
[22:44] <ph8> the VMs won't start quite properly though - 2 out of 4 start and they start as 'paused'
[22:44] <ph8> any idea why?
[22:45] <linkinxp> i got it!!!!
[22:45] <Raspberry> ph8: not really no
[22:45] <m13> ph8 , try reconfigure VMs ?
[22:45] <ph8> m13: how do you mean?
[22:46] <ph8> the cfg files haven't changed
[22:46] <ph8> oh shit
[22:46] <ph8> the kernels
[22:46] <ph8> of course
[22:46] <ph8> good shout :p
[22:46] <Raspberry> another big KDE4 update today, eh
[22:46] <Raspberry> it took 15 minutes to download @ 320KBps
[22:46] <irelinquish> hey how well does ubuntu work with reading hfs+ partitions?
[22:47] <ph8> is it just a configuration file thing m13, or do i need to edit anything in the VM?
[22:48] <ph8> Error: Device 2049 (vbd) could not be connected. losetup /dev/loop18 /home/xen/domains/hades/disk.img
[22:48] <ph8> argh!
[22:48] <ph8> anyone seen that before?
[22:54] <teamcobra_> recovery mode is hanging when I boot the machine up as well
[22:57] <r0bby> whose ingenius idea was this message: http://pastebin.stonekeep.com/1818
[22:57] <r0bby> it looks like monkeys randomly choose words and strung em together hoping to make an intelligent sentence.
[22:58] <teamcobra_> is there a good list somewhere of every single option that can be passed to the kernel from grub?
[23:00] <ph8> m13, Rasberry: I don't suppose you've ever seen that error before? i can't get any of my vms back online!
[23:00] <ph8> * Raspberry apols
[23:00] <m13> ph8 , if they there , they should work
[23:00] <m13> ph8 , reconfigure VM's
[23:00] <m13> resintall if needed
[23:01] <ph8> you mean change their config files to use the new kernels?
[23:01] <ph8> i can't really reinstall, they're not all mine :o
[23:01] <m13> reinstall VM
[23:01] <m13> not images
[23:01] <ph8> i'm not sure i know what you mean?
[23:01] <m13> program with what u run images ?
[23:01] <ph8> reinstall Xen?
[23:02] <m13> if it not working i would try resintall that
[23:02] <ph8> hmm
[23:02] <m13> just dont touch disk images
[23:02] <m13> and ushould be fine
[23:02] <m13> btw , i run 8.04 with 2 monitors attached
[23:03] <m13> and u dont know how perfect lightshow i got on 2nd monitor
[23:03] <m13> unbelivable
[23:03] <ph8> i just realised i wasn't in the xen channel :-)
[23:03] <m13> lol
[23:04] <ethana2> Creative's at it again!
[23:04] <r0bby> any idea what http://pastebin.stonekeep.com/1818 << that means
[23:04] <ethana2> Maybe people will realize the value of freedom
[23:04] <r0bby> aside from the fact whoever wrote it is a a moron?
[23:05] <lime4x4> Anyone else running ubuntu-kde4-desktop and having it removed with today's updates?
[23:09] <lamalex> Can anyone help me troubleshoot pulse audio? I can't get it to play sound out of my card. It worked in alpha6
[23:10] <mneptok> *THIS* IS SETI ALPHA SIX!
[23:10] <mneptok> (sorry)
[23:12] <r0bby> What kind of morons are developing this thing... :/
[23:12] <lamalex> huh?
[23:12] <r0bby> Nothing
[23:12] <r0bby> i have the weirdest error which makes no sense.
[23:12] <r0bby> shits crashing left and right -- can't boot into gnome except if i choose "failsafe GNOME"
[23:12] <teamcobra_> hrm, when I pass any options to grub, my server hangs before the kernel even seems to load
[23:13] <r0bby> all in less than 24hrs of having upgraded...
[23:13] <tommost> Are you running Xgl?
[23:13] <r0bby> whatever is default i didnt touch a thing
[23:13] <m13> r0bby , that why it is called beta :)
[23:13] <teamcobra_> if anyone has any ideas, _please_  let me know
[23:14] <r0bby> m13: even debian doesn't fuck up this bad.
[23:14] <m13> read up r0bby
[23:14] <r0bby> I know :x
[23:14] <ompaul> !language | r0bby
[23:14] <ubotu> r0bby: Please watch your language and topic to help keep this channel family friendly.
[23:14] <r0bby> Just venting :(
[23:14] <m13> or read topic
[23:14] <marsje_> does anyone know how I can tell transmission to save my torrents somewhere else (instead of on my desktop)?
[23:15] <r0bby> why is it being delayed by 3 months?
[23:15] <ompaul> r0bby, venting at beta / alpha and not bug fixing reporting or whatever not so productive ;-)
[23:15] <r0bby> ompaul: yeh but it makes me feel better :)
[23:15] <r0bby> ompaul: did you see this lovely beauty
[23:15] <teamcobra_> because I need to pass init=/bin/sh  and vga=778 (so the remote kvm has a compatible res)
[23:15] <r0bby> Linux rob-laptop 2.6.24-12-generic #1 SMP Wed Mar 12 23:01:54 UTC 2008 i686 GNU/Linux
[23:15] <r0bby> er
[23:15] <r0bby> http://pastebin.stonekeep.com/1818
[23:15] <mneptok> r0bby: andf if banniong you for language makes us feel better ... ? >:)
[23:16] <m13> u dont contribute by insulting people that working on it r0bby
[23:16] <r0bby> good point
[23:16] <r0bby> that was in dmesg.
[23:16] <m13> rather go make 5000 line post ;)
[23:16] <c-ron> marsje_:  Edit -> Preferences , uncheck "prompt for download directory" then pick a directory to the right of that
[23:17] <r0bby> that is just weird -- and odd that's all I apologize for insulting the devs
[23:17]  * r0bby hugs ompaul 
[23:17] <m13> spread love :)
[23:17] <r0bby> m13: did ya ever see that error?
[23:17] <m13> kde4 ?
[23:17] <rpedro> !fonts
[23:17] <ubotu> Font installation basics here: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/FontInstallHowto - No fonts in Flash? Install "msttcorefonts" (from !Multiverse), "gsfonts", and "gsfonts-x11". No fonts in MPlayer? see !MPlayer
[23:17] <marsje_> c-ron: I must be blind because I didn't see the setting even after looking 5 times
[23:17] <ompaul> r0bby, sorry doing updates error not on display yet
[23:18] <marsje_> c-ron: thanks :)
[23:18] <venka1> hello
[23:18] <venka1> im running gibbon
[23:18] <venka1> and i hav to boot with acpi=off
[23:18] <CptAtom> guys, i have one question. i am using hardy heron beta right now...after every restart of my system, the ip settings for my eth0 are gone. they are still displayed correctly on the network manager GUI but i ll have to configure them completely new with "ifconfig" and "route"....any suggestion where i could fix that. i never encountered that problem before with ubuntu
[23:18] <m13> venka , join #ubuntu
[23:18] <r0bby> it's just weird
[23:19] <r0bby> !dual monitors
[23:19] <ompaul> venka1, that is not a +1 question which is about the next release beta software
[23:19] <ubotu> Information about dual-head on linux can be found on http://wiki.linuxquestions.org/wiki/DualHead - See also !Xinerama
[23:19] <venka1> else it won't boot, but acpi=off is causing my computer to overheat, i was wondering would heron help fix this acpi problem?
[23:19] <venka1> like does heron use a better kernel/
[23:19] <r0bby> !XineRama
[23:19] <ubotu> xinerama is an extension to !X to use two or more physical displays as one large virtual display. See https://help.ubuntu.com/community/XineramaHowTo - See also !DualHead
[23:19] <marsje_> CptAtom: check /etc/network/interfaces and see if it has a line that says: auto eth0
[23:19] <m13> ye, dual monitor should be autodetected  on install, and not have light show on 2nd screen, pitty i can record this, like C64 loading from tape :P
[23:20] <teamcobra_> so I guess my system's hosed, and there's nothing I can do about it
[23:20] <teamcobra_> even though I found what's causing klogd to crash
[23:21] <teamcobra_> and I have a 1500 colocated paperweight ;p
[23:21] <CptAtom> @ marsje_ nope...no auto eth0, it saysauto lo
[23:21] <CptAtom> iface lo inet loopback
[23:21] <CptAtom> iface eth0 inet static
[23:21] <CptAtom> address 192.168.0.13
[23:21] <CptAtom> netmask 255.255.255.0
[23:21] <CptAtom> gateway 192.168.0.111
[23:21] <rpedro> can someone check something for me if their not too busy: check if the bitstream vera monospace, the dejavu sans monospace, and monospace fonts all look the same please?
[23:21] <CptAtom> so it's a static entry
[23:21] <marsje_> CptAtom: check https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/gnome-system-tools/+bug/185854
[23:21] <ubotu> Launchpad bug 185854 in gnome-system-tools "Setting static IP in Network Settings doesn't produce correct data" [High,Confirmed]
[23:22] <CptAtom> oh
[23:22] <r0bby> m13: I'm not a troll honestly
[23:22] <c-ron> venka1: read this http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=476489
[23:22] <r0bby> ubuntu uses Xorg or Xfree86 :/
[23:22] <r0bby> GOD I _HATE_ asking questions on irc
[23:22] <r0bby> !x
[23:22] <ubotu> The X Window System is the part of your system that's responsible for graphical output. To restart your X, type « sudo /etc/init.d/?dm restart » in a console - To fix screen resolution or other X problems: http://help.ubuntu.com/community/FixVideoResolutionHowto
[23:23] <ompaul> !msgthebot | r0bby
[23:23] <m13> r0bby ?
[23:23] <ubotu> r0bby: Please investigate with me only in /msg or in #ubuntu-bots (type also /msg ubotu Bot). Don't use commands in the public channels if you don't know if they really exist. Also avoid adding joke/useless factoids.
[23:23] <r0bby> ompaul: sorry.
[23:23]  * r0bby sighs 
[23:24] <CptAtom> so i fixed the file...
[23:24] <CptAtom> thx guys...i am going to test it right now
[23:24] <teamcobra_> r0bby: xorg
[23:24] <Raspberry> God here
[23:25] <Raspberry> what seems to be the problem?
[23:25] <r0bby> teamcobra_: thought so
[23:25] <Raspberry> then why'd you ask
[23:25] <r0bby> thanks :)
[23:25] <Raspberry> :p
[23:25] <r0bby> confirmation.
[23:25] <Raspberry> from somebody on IRC?
[23:26] <teamcobra_> Raspberry: I have a prob for ya.... passing any options to the kernel in grub makes it hang right off the bad (blinking cursor, no activity)
[23:26] <teamcobra_> bad/bat
[23:26] <Raspberry> teamcobra_: nvidia card?
[23:26] <teamcobra_> Rasp: nope, ati integrated
[23:26] <Raspberry> I've seen it with Nvidia
[23:27] <Raspberry> basically the splashy thing can't set the right resolution
[23:27] <teamcobra_> I just want to init=/bin/sh :( :(
[23:27] <teamcobra_> if I disable splash, it hangs too
[23:27] <teamcobra_> same w/ quiet
[23:28] <Raspberry> have you tried  the recovery kernel?
[23:28] <teamcobra_> yeah, same result
[23:28] <teamcobra_> and I don't have physical access to the box
[23:28] <sourcemaker> does kubuntu supports WPA2?
[23:29] <Raspberry> i like how you add critical pieces at the end :P
[23:29] <teamcobra_> I've been talking about it for the past hr
[23:29] <Raspberry> i tune out a lot
[23:29] <Raspberry> I'm getting old
[23:29] <teamcobra_> if I had physical access, I'd just reinstall ;p but nop
[23:29] <teamcobra_> it's a colocated server
[23:29] <Raspberry> so what is it doing?
[23:29] <Raspberry> so you can get to the box
[23:29] <tgelter> sourcemaker: yes
[23:29] <Raspberry> via the network
[23:29] <Raspberry> and when you reboot it hangs?
[23:30] <sourcemaker> tgelter: only with ndiswrapper or can I configure this via GUI?
[23:30] <Raspberry> you have a control card in it to reboot it remotely?
[23:30] <teamcobra_> hanging at klogd, looks like this is the issue: https://answers.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+question/15462
[23:30] <Raspberry> are you running 7.10 or 8.04?
[23:30] <teamcobra_> yeah, I can reboot remotely, and have kvm-over-ip running today
[23:30] <teamcobra_> 8.04
[23:31] <tgelter> sourcemaker: I assume you are using NetworkManager. if so, it should work out-of-the-box assuming your wireless adapter is working at all...(you can connect to unsecured networks, yes?)
[23:31] <Raspberry> you're saying passing ANY options makes it hang?
[23:31] <Raspberry> like passing VGA=
[23:31] <jimiridge> sourcemaker, what wifi card/chip do you have
[23:31] <teamcobra_> yup, or changing ANY options
[23:31] <tgelter> sourcemaker: some adapters may need updated kernel modules however
[23:31] <Raspberry> teamcobra_: what kernel?
[23:31] <Raspberry> 24-12
[23:31] <Raspberry> ?
[23:32] <teamcobra_> yeah, server
[23:32] <Raspberry> i haven't worked with the server kernel
[23:32] <teamcobra_> yeah, my first time and not so fun ;p
[23:32] <teamcobra_> it is stable as hell when it's up tho ;)
[23:33] <Raspberry> so is generic
[23:33] <Raspberry> I haven't had a kernel panic since I debian SID when I a bad hard drive
[23:33] <Raspberry> in 2003
[23:34] <Raspberry> I'd say try installing generic once
[23:34] <Raspberry> for fun
[23:34] <Raspberry> and see if you can set any options
[23:34] <Raspberry> eliminate the variables
[23:34] <Raspberry> have you run a update-grub, btw?
[23:35] <Raspberry> another thing... what's the fstab look like
[23:35] <Raspberry> and another thing... what are the permissions of /var/log
[23:35] <Raspberry> I think the question you sent me has little or nothing to do with your issue
[23:37] <m13> is it normal that liveCD drops u out language menu when it boots ?
[23:38] <jcole> im trying to install the latest hardy beta from the destop cd and cant figure out how to find my raided /home partition
[23:38] <jcole> perhaps i can modprobe something in ctrl-alt-f1?
[23:39] <jcole> software raid0
[23:43] <abarbaccia> hey - what package do i file a bug under like this : wireless network connections are not established until the first user logs in. this causes problems when you reboot the machine from over the network and the connection is never re-established
[23:44] <butterfree> before I search the forum... is there a known issue for firefox and gmail... specifically, also... some of the fonts look "off"
[23:45] <jng> butterfree: are you on an lcd display?
[23:45] <jng> fonts looked horrible when i first got on to hardy
[23:45] <tgelter> abarbaccia: NetworkManager would be my guess (assuming you are using it)
[23:46] <abarbaccia> thanks
[23:46] <tgelter> abarbaccia: if not, whatever package provides the tool you are using to configure your device. (or whatever package provides the network config script if you aren't using any tool to configure)
[23:46] <jng> system -> preferences -> appearance and tweaking the fonts stuff helped for me..
[23:46] <jng> (ie needed subpixel smoothing turning on)
[23:47] <m13> abarbaccia: same problems here
[23:47] <jimiridge> well there are ways to get network initiated during boot
[23:48] <m13> jimiridge: yes there are ways , but thats not the solution :)
[23:49] <teamcobra_> rasp: I can't get into the box :p :p :p
[23:49] <teamcobra_> brb
[23:49] <jimiridge> yes actually it would be a solution
[23:50] <jimiridge> has nothing to do with gnome-network-manager
[23:50] <Raspberry> heh
[23:51] <Raspberry> teamcobra_: ok .. I have to run an errand
[23:51] <Daisuke_Ido> lovely...  networkmanager completely loses my wireless between a suspend and resume
[23:51] <teamcobra_> ok ;)
[23:52] <jimiridge> need to remove and reinsert the kernel module
[23:55] <pagan0ne> hey, im having trouble getting kubuntu 8.04 up and running, installed it on a sata setup, dualbooting vista (rarley used). upgraded from gutsy, now grub says file not found when trying to boot anything other than windows, i do have a seprate /boot partition, and my /home partition is on a 2nd drive... any ideas?
[23:56] <linkinxp> is should work fine
[23:56] <linkinxp> from windows erase the linux partitions
[23:56] <linkinxp> and reinstall everything
[23:56] <linkinxp> thats what i did for ubuntu cause i had kubuntu before
[23:57] <linkinxp> pagan0ne:  did u read me?