[00:38] <hrlr> Hello, I'm trying to identify a bug.   When I go: System --> Administration --> Network Tools and then select the "Lookup" tab I enter the IP address for my ubuntu machine.  Nothing is returned from the query.  Can someone help?
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[00:40] <bdmurray> hrlr: which release of Ubuntu are you using?
[00:41] <hrlr> Hardy
[00:41] <hrlr> bdmurray: Hardy
[00:42] <hrlr> bdmurray: My router is also not returning a hostname for my ubuntu system.  Something's fishy.
[00:44] <tawmas> Hi, everybody, I'm still new around here and I could use some guidance... Think I've nailed this one: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/netbase/+bug/209087 and I think it's filed against the wrong package. I have what looks like the same bug and I have a workaround.
[00:45] <tawmas> I hope this is the proper place to get some help :-) Please, crucify me if I'm wrong
[00:45] <james_w> tawmas: you're not wrong at all, this is exactly the right place
[00:46] <tawmas> james_w: k, fine!
[00:46] <james_w> tawmas: what package do you think it applies to?
[00:46] <bdmurray> hrlr: I'm not positive but I think that applet queries your dns server so wouldn't look in '/etc/hosts'
[00:47] <tawmas> james_w: network-manager-applet or network-config (sorry, I had the right name for the latter yesterday I need to look it up again)
[00:48] <bdmurray> hrlr: do you have a dns server under your control?
[00:48] <tawmas> james_w: when you switch from roaming mode to manual configuration, it's writing a blank link in /etc/network/interfaces where there should be an auto <interface>
[00:49] <tawmas> manually editing the file and restarting networking does the trick
[00:49] <hrlr> bdmurray: No.  But I'm able to see other computers on my network by using this technique.  It shows their hostnames and information.
[00:50] <james_w> tawmas: I've not heard of network-config, but it sounds like it might well be it's fault.
[00:50] <hrlr> bdmurray: I wish I had Gutsy installed so I could compare.  I'm almost positive that it worked in Gutsy.
[00:50] <james_w> tawmas: how do you switch to and from roaming mode?
[00:50] <bdmurray> hrlr: I have a gutsy system around and can check it out
[00:51] <hrlr> bdmurray: Really?  That would be awesome!
[00:51] <jlparise> Hey guys
[00:51] <jlparise> I'm a gutsy right now
[00:51] <jlparise> if you need me to check something
[00:51] <tawmas> james_w: just looked it up, the name is network-config. I click on the n-m applet icon and the select manual configuration from the dropdown
[00:52] <hrlr> jlpraise:  When I go: System --> Administration --> Network Tools and then select the "Lookup" tab I enter the IP address for my ubuntu machine.  Nothing is returned from the query.  Can you test this on Gutsy?
[00:52] <jlparise> sure I'll try it now
[00:52] <james_w> tawmas: then what? I can try it now
[00:53] <james_w> tawmas: are you on Hardy?
[00:53] <james_w> tawmas: do you mean network-admin?
[00:53] <tawmas> james_w: yep, that could be
[00:54] <james_w> tawmas: it's source package is "gnome-system-tools", you should probably reassign it there. Do you know how to do that?
[00:54] <hrlr> jlparise: By "my ubuntu machine" I mean 192.168.1.104
[00:54] <hrlr> jlparise: So whatever your local address is.
[00:54] <jlparise> I am rtying to remember hwo to get my IP
[00:55] <jlparise> long day at work...
[00:55] <tawmas> James_w: do I click to expand and type in the new package name?
[00:55] <james_w> tawmas: exactly
[00:55] <hrlr> jlparise:  If you use NetworkManager you can right click on it and hit "Connection Information"
[00:56] <jlparise> interestingly my connection info is always greyed out
[00:56] <jlparise> even though I am connected
[00:56] <james_w> tawmas: if you also add a comment with everything you have found out, the steps to reproduce, and the cause of the failure (i.e. where the line is) then it should be triaged tomorrow
[00:56] <tawmas> BTW, I just found that if I try and edit the settings from the Network tools applet, it brings up a dialog telling that the interface doesn't exist
[00:56] <jlparise> ifconfig thats the one...
[00:56] <james_w> tawmas: the gnome triagers are excellent.
[00:56] <tawmas> James_w: excellent :-)
[00:56] <tawmas> I'm doing right now
[00:56] <james_w> tawmas: ah, that's odd, you should add that information as well. I've got to sleep now, sorry I can't help you more.
[00:57] <jlparise> Ok I just tried it with my IP on Gutsy
[00:57] <jlparise> I did get 1 line of output
[00:57] <tawmas> I know, it's 2 in the night here ;-)
[00:57] <tawmas> Good night, and thanks
[00:57] <hrlr> jlparise:  ifconfig -a
[00:57] <jlparise> yeh I just figured it out thanks though
[00:57] <james_w> tawmas: go to be then :-)
[00:57] <jlparise> I get 1 complete line of output
[00:58] <jlparise> interestingly it's the same line nomatter what I pick on the information type combo box
[01:00] <tawmas> james_w: one last question: do I also confirm it?
[01:00] <hrlr> jlparise:  so it does provide a response?
[01:00] <jlparise> yes
[01:00] <jlparise> but as I said that combo box doesn;t seem to change the response
[01:00] <jlparise> I am not sure if it should, I just see that it doesn't
[01:01] <hrlr> bdmurray: Have you been able to test on your Gutsy as well?
[01:01] <hrlr> jlparise:  Interesting.
[01:02] <bdmurray> hrlr: yes and my hostname doesn't show up when I search for it
[01:03] <bdmurray> You are searching by IP though is that right?
[01:03] <hrlr> bdmurray: Yes
[01:03] <hrlr> bdmurray: Using localhost doesn't work either.
[01:03] <jlparise> I was also searching by IP, however I don't have a DNS server or anythign liek that
[01:04] <jlparise> hrlr: If I enter "localhost" I get information, but name is blank
[01:05] <jlparise> hrlr; If I enter loopback "127.0.0.1" I get different information
[01:07] <hrlr> jlparise:  hrmmm...  localhost is working here...  I must have been trying it under the wrong tab earlier... ooops....    The IP address doesn't show anything.
[01:07] <hrlr> jlparise:  Do you have any other computers on the LAN that can see that computer that could query the hostname?
[01:08] <hrlr> jlparise:  That's where my problem is.  My router and other computers don't see the Ubuntu system where as they had previously.
[01:08] <jlparise> hrlr: I don't currently have another machine available...
[01:11] <hrlr> I just tried to do a "ping -a 192.168.1.104" from my Windows machine and it doesn't return a hostname.
[01:11] <hrlr> But it does for any other machine on the LAN.
[01:12] <hrlr> And typing "hostname" in the console of my ubuntu machine diesplays "ubuntu" as a result.
[01:12] <jlparise> hmmm
[01:13] <jlparise> sometimes on Windows the host names take awhile to repopulate
[01:13] <jlparise> I think the arp DOS command can force a rebuild of the arp tables
[01:13] <jlparise> sometimes that an/or cycling power ontherouter/switch helps
[01:13] <hrlr> I've been doing that all week and nothing.
[01:14] <jlparise> thats all I can think of at the moment
[01:15] <hrlr> jlparise:  Interestingly, Gutsy never had this problem.
[01:15] <pochu> bdmurray: hmm, your hug day list didn't ignore duplicates, perhaps it should have done it?
[01:15] <bdmurray> What does ping -a in Windows do?
[01:15] <hrlr> resolves hostnames
[01:16] <bdmurray> pochu: Yes, that would probably make it more useful.
[01:16] <hrlr> It'll say "Pinging 'hostname'" instead of "Pinging 192.168.1.104".
[01:16] <bdmurray> pochu: Sorry about that oversight
[01:17] <pochu> bdmurray: I've opened 10 bugs, and 5 are dups :)
[01:18] <pochu> and of those 5 bugs, 2 are already fixed (the master bug) and 2 already have links to GNOME bugzilla
[01:18] <bdmurray> That's disappointing.  The query takes quite a while to run so restarting is probably not the best idea.
[01:18] <pochu> oh
[01:19] <bdmurray> I'll see what I can do though
[01:19] <afflux> morning :)
[01:20] <hrlr> Is there anyone here that has multiple computers on a LAN that can ping or lookup their Hardy machine?
[01:20] <hrlr> Sorry to be a pain.  I'm just trying to get this thing figured out.
[01:26] <bdmurray> pochu: okay, I've a plan thanks for the proding
[01:26] <bdmurray> I didn't realize it was that bad.
[01:27] <pochu> bdmurray: are you gonna change the list? coz I'm starting to triage bugs :)
[01:28] <pochu> if you change it, that's perfect, just to hold on until you change it
[01:28] <bdmurray> pochu: yes, I'll change it shortly
[01:29] <bdmurray> pochu: well, as soon as I can edit the wiki ;)
[01:29] <pochu> ouch, sorry
[01:29] <pochu> hold on a second
[01:29] <bdmurray> heh, s'okay
[01:31] <afflux> okay, going to bed now, good night (!"§!% DST...)
[01:33] <pochu> bdmurray: your turn :)
[01:35] <bdmurray> pochu: It should be good now
[01:42] <hrlr> Is there anyone here that has multiple computers on a LAN that can ping or lookup their Hardy machine to resolve the hostname?
[02:55] <marnanel> james_w: ping.  remind me what happens between adding the new patch and debuild?
[02:56] <mikedep333> hey, I've noticed a serious bug reoccur with hardy, but I believe it is being ignored because it was originally filed in 2006. Should I create a new bug report or something?
[02:56] <mikedep333> https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/linux-restricted-modules-2.6.24/+bug/35930/
[03:02] <RAOF> mikedep333: I'm pretty sure you've got a different bug.  Are you specifying a vga= line in the kernel boot parameters?
[03:04] <RAOF> Also, Yay unfixable drivers!
[03:08] <mikedep333> RAOF: no I am not
[03:09] <mikedep333> yeah I know. I am hooked on my binary blobs.
[03:09] <RAOF> Right.  So, that's certainly a different bug.  I'll mark it as 'invalid'.  Please file another one, preferably with all the ways you can trigger such things (it seems you have a number of bugs there).
[03:10] <mikedep333> ok
[03:10] <mikedep333> thx
[03:11] <RAOF> Be warned that nvidia are a black hole of annoying bugs.
[03:11] <mikedep333> yeah
[03:11] <mikedep333> I've also heard that even the intel drivers are incomplete and therefore do not have the best compatibility with 3d apps/games.
[03:12] <mikedep333> it seems like there are no good options
[03:12] <RAOF> Intel are _much_ better.  You mainly see the rough edges when you do stuff with Compiz.
[03:13] <mikedep333> what I've heard is that many programs under wine (ugh) do not work because the intel drivers have less features
[03:13] <RAOF> And the infrastructure to fix those rough edges (and make Intel much faster) is in Xorg git.
[03:13] <mikedep333> yeah, of course
[03:14] <RAOF> I know that WoW works fine under wine on Intel; I don't imagine that there's a lot of stuff that won't work.
[03:14] <mikedep333> ok
[03:14] <mikedep333> I'll keep that in mind next time I want to buy a PC with integrated graphics
[03:15] <RAOF> Therin lies the problem, yes.  Intel may have some actual graphics _cards_ in a year or so, though :)
[03:15] <mikedep333> lol, yeah
[03:15] <mikedep333> that would be nice
[03:15] <mikedep333> and I am eagerly waiting to see how fast the CPU/GPU combos are
[03:16] <RAOF> (And their windows 3d drivers will share their infrastructure with the linux ones).
[03:16] <mikedep333> cool
[03:16] <mikedep333> what do they do for opengl?
[03:16] <mikedep333> do they use mesa?
[03:17] <RAOF> Not at the moment; the gallium (mesa-ng!) framework is cross-platform, though, and that's what they're using.
[03:17] <RAOF> s/using/will be using/.
[03:17] <mikedep333> I see
[03:18] <mikedep333> google results don't show much for that
[03:18] <mikedep333> right now I am looking over the monstrous thread for my laptop to see if people are noticing my bug again
[03:18] <mikedep333> http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?p=4626592#post4626592
[03:19] <mikedep333> http://ubuntuforums.org/showpost.php?p=4617732&postcount=773
[03:19] <mikedep333> looks like people are experiencing it
[03:21] <mikedep333> here it is
[03:21] <mikedep333> https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/linux-restricted-modules-2.6.24/+bug/190526
[03:31] <greg-g> should the table on the bugday wiki page have lightgreen added to the completed bugs?
[03:31] <greg-g> I can go through real quick to fix it since not many have been done.
[03:43] <dsargeant> does anybody know what package the System->Preferences->Appearance bugs should be filed against?  control-center?
[03:54] <bdmurray> greg-g: that'd be great
[03:56] <bdmurray> dsargeant: gnome-control-center
[04:01] <greg-g> bdmurray: done
[04:02] <bdmurray> I'll be adding some more bugs real soo now
[04:47] <collusion> Should LP#207526 be forwarded upstream?
[04:48] <greg-g> bug 207526
[04:48] <collusion> or, maybe someone could confirm it for me.
[04:51] <greg-g> are you experiencing it also?  and can you confirm that the patch/workaround works?
[04:52] <collusion> i submitted the bug, actually.
[04:52] <greg-g> oh
[04:54] <greg-g> well, the information provided looks good
[04:56] <collusion> seems like a simple to adapt patch but i don't know if that's something that we'd fix in ubuntu version or pass on to the upstream.  i can only imagine the mb of log messages this might generate if it gets into LTS. :-)
[04:59] <greg-g> collusion: yeah, do you know the upstream bug tracker?
[05:00] <collusion> the debian bts? not particularly well though i was just reading about it.
[05:00]  * greg-g doesn't know much about postfix, specifically whether it should go to debian or postfix proper
[05:01] <collusion> hm.
[05:03] <collusion> the file that is patched appears to be a Debian addition.
[05:04] <greg-g> so probably debian then
[05:04] <hrlr> I've been having problems with Hardy and DHCP as it operates out-of-the-box.  The problem I've been having is Hardy not handing off the hostname to DHCP when establishing an IP address where Gutsy is working just fine.
[05:05] <hrlr> Gutsy:  http://pastebin.ca/965715
[05:05] <hrlr> Hardy: http://pastebin.ca/965716
[05:06] <collusion> can you limit tcpdump to port 68?
[05:06] <hrlr> Sure..  How do I do that?  :)
[05:07] <collusion> "tcpdump -s 1500 port 68" should work, i think.
[05:09] <hrlr> brb.  I'll give it a shot right now.
[05:12] <greg-g> collusion: new comment on your bug, looks good.
[05:13] <greg-g> ok, did my few for tonight, time for bed
[05:14] <hrlr> collusion: http://pastebin.ca/965721
[05:14] <collusion> greg-g: thx for the help. 'night.
[05:14] <greg-g> collusion: np
[05:16] <collusion> hrlr: are you using network manager?
[05:16] <hrlr> collusion: yes.
[05:16] <collusion> how do you know that hardy is not handing off the hostname?
[05:17] <collusion> can you pastebin the relevant lines from /var/log/daemon.log?  (NetworkManager logs a lot of status information there.)
[05:17] <hrlr> collusion: because the router doesn't have the hostname in it.
[05:17] <collusion> hrlr: you're looking to get a specific IP address but you're just getting a random one?
[05:18] <hrlr> And when I ping the machine with another windows machine (ping -a 192.168.1.104) it doesn't resolve.
[05:18] <hrlr> collusion: No.  It should operate dynamically out-of-the-box..  should it not?
[05:19] <hrlr> collusion:  I should clarify...  when I go "ping -a 192.168.1.104" from the windows machine it doesn't resolve the hostname but still pings the ip.
[05:20] <hrlr> In Gutsy I don't have that problem...
[05:21] <collusion> ah.
[05:21] <hrlr> Everything appears to be fine on the local machine though.  I type in "hostname" and get back what is expected.  and that's "ubuntu".
[05:21] <hrlr> But everyone else on the network doesn't see my hostname as Hardy isn't giving it up to the DHCP.
[05:22] <hrlr> But I have no idea how to articulate this bug and where to start.
[05:23] <hrlr> Would that be a "high priority" bug if it were confirmed?
[05:24] <collusion> i can't speak to the priorities.
[05:24] <collusion> (i'm new here.)
[05:25] <hrlr> ahhhh...  so how would I go about getting this confirmed?
[05:25] <collusion> i sort of feel like your router should be assigning the hostname.
[05:26] <hrlr> That always comes from the machine name...  does it not?
[05:27] <collusion> DHCP usu. works by you telling the DHCP server your hw mac address and it telling you an IP address.  The mapping of IP address to DNS name may or may not be handled by the same machine.
[05:27] <collusion> so in general your DNS name may not match the output of `hostname`
[05:28] <hrlr> I'm confused as to why gutsy would operate differently in this case.
[05:28] <collusion> in tomato wrt, i can assign myself a hostname in the gui.
[05:28] <collusion> that is a bit odd. are you testing with two separate machines?
[05:28] <hrlr> Same machine.
[05:28] <collusion> full clean installs in separate partitions? do they share any state? (e.g. /var)
[05:28] <hrlr> Reseting the router on each try so to be sure there is nothing leaching over.
[05:29] <collusion> can you compare /var/lib/dhcp3/dhclient.* on the two machines?
[05:29] <collusion> (er, two partitions)
[05:30] <hrlr> Hardy is installed and I did the other tcpdump from the gutsy live-cd.
[05:31] <hrlr> So I can't really compare...  other than to say that they're both default installs.
[05:31] <hrlr> err... default settings
[05:32] <collusion> oic.
[05:33] <collusion> does "grep host-name /var/lib/dhcp3/dhclient*" return anything on hardy?
[05:33] <hrlr> this returns nothing
[05:37] <collusion> well, the next thing i'd be curious about is the output of NetworkManager in /var/log/daemon.log between gutsy and hardy.
[05:37] <collusion> sounds like it might be a regression.
[05:41] <hrlr> I'm not sure what I'd be looking for...  any hints?
[05:43] <hrlr> Mar 31 19:27:41 ubuntu NetworkManager: <info>    domain name 'phub.net.cable.rogers.com'
[05:44] <hrlr> above is what Hardy produced in the logs...  I'll bet Gutsy says "Mar 31 19:27:41 ubuntu NetworkManager: <info>    domain name 'ubuntu.phub.net.cable.rogers.com' "
[05:44] <hrlr> should I go look?
[05:45] <hrlr> brb
[05:56] <collusion> well, have to run; hrlr should look for hostname entries in the NetworkManager logs.  I imagine there might be a difference in gutsy.
[06:25] <symptom> hello how do i change the status of a bug to duplicate
[06:26] <RAOF> symptom: You hit the "mark as duplicate" link on the left-hand side.
[06:26] <symptom> RAOF: wow... amazing
[06:27] <symptom> sorry :)
[06:28] <RAOF> That's OK.  I've missed stuff over there before.
[06:28] <symptom> Thank you... Im just trying to help out :)
[06:44] <hrlr> Ok.  I've finally submitted my bug with as much info as I have.  https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/network-manager/+bug/210095
[06:45] <hrlr> Can someone tell me if I did it ok?  (Still new here).
[13:05] <Iulian> Heya
[13:05] <Iulian> Happy hug day everyone!
[13:09] <emu> Ahoi
[13:10] <emu> I wanted to help with the bugwatches... and took #128451
[13:11] <emu> But I don`t knwo what to do: The Bugreporter is on both bugtrackers the same, and both bugs are reported against ubuntu. on bugs.kde.org the bug is not confirmed.
[13:11] <emu> I think I shouldn`t add a bug watch. Is this correct?
[13:14] <james_w> bug 128451
[13:14] <ubotu> Launchpad bug 128451 in meta-kde "Wrong Hebrew text translation in Kontact: deleting recurring events" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/128451
[13:15] <james_w> emu: someone just did
[13:15] <james_w> emu: yes, you should add the bug watch, it doesn't say anything about whether the bug is the same status in both or anything
[13:16] <james_w> it just allows an association between the Ubuntu bug and the upstream one.
[13:16] <emu> james_w: ok thanks
[13:16] <james_w> so here we want to know that it has already been reported upstream.
[13:16] <qense> hapy hug day everyone!
[13:16] <james_w> happy hug day qense, Iulian
[13:18] <txwikinger> happy hug day
[13:21] <james_w> you too txwikinger
[13:25] <qense> btw, is abiword 2.6 going to be included in hardy?
[13:26] <snap-l> gense: I'm thinking if it's not on the beta CD, it's not included
[13:27] <snap-l> sorry, let me rephrase that. that was quite silly of me. :)
[13:28] <snap-l> https://launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/abiword
[13:28] <snap-l> Looks like it's 2.4.6-3
[13:28] <qense> oh, that's a pitty
[13:28] <qense> abiword has some great improvements in it's new version
[13:29] <snap-l> I think it was released too late for this cycle
[13:29] <snap-l> March 24, 2008?
[13:31] <qense> yes
[13:32] <qense> are exceptions still granted sometimes at this stage?
[13:32] <qense> I think this would deserve one
[13:32] <qense> 2.4 is already 2.5 years old
[13:32] <qense> http://www.abisource.com/release-notes/2.6.0.phtml
[13:34] <snap-l> I'm not sure how it works
[13:35] <james_w> https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/abiword/+bug/202174
[13:35] <ubotu> Launchpad bug 202174 in abiword "Please update to version 2.6" [Undecided,Incomplete]
[13:36] <james_w> there are some things that would need to be done before you could find out for sure
[15:24] <jcastro> pedro_: can you look at lp:198111 and gnome:502900?
[15:24] <qense> does hugday tools work with the current hugday page, which doesn't have bug titles, but comments?
[15:24] <jcastro> I /think/ those are the same bug
[15:24] <pedro_> jcastro: sure, give min
[15:25] <seb128> bug #198111
[15:25] <ubotu> Launchpad bug 198111 in evolution "Evolution and Google calendar" [Low,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/198111
[15:25] <seb128> gnome bug #502900
[15:25] <ubotu> Gnome bug 502900 in Calendar "Google Calendar does not connect, no errors given" [Major,Unconfirmed] http://bugzilla.gnome.org/show_bug.cgi?id=502900
[15:26] <seb128> jcastro: right, that's already written in the launchpad bug comments
[15:26] <jcastro> yeah, I'm just trying to determine if the comment is correct or not
[15:27] <seb128> not sure the bug has enough information for that
[15:27] <seb128> somebody having the issue should really open a bug upstream
[15:28] <jcastro> there's 3 or 4 upstream google calendar bugs which might be related upstream but they don't have details
[15:31] <pedro_> yep, comments on both reports are a bit confusing better to open a new one upstream
[15:31] <jcastro> ok, on it
[15:41] <greg-g> bdmurray: sometimes the upstream report link is not in the comments but on the left under "remote bug watches" and that seems to be confusing for some triagers who don't see them.
[15:41] <greg-g> bdmurray: should we add "be sure to look on the left if you don't see it in the comments" on the wiki?
[15:42] <bdmurray> greg-g: Do you have an example?
[15:43] <greg-g> bug 46802
[15:43] <ubotu> Launchpad bug 46802 in mergeant "Failure to connect to PostgreSQL database" [Medium,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/46802
[15:43] <greg-g> the link is valid and it should be set to "fix released" (although I need to add info into LP about the upstream of mergeant)
[15:45] <greg-g> that specific bug was marked as done on the wiki because of the lack of link in comments
[15:50] <greg-g> ok, I'm an idiot, I can't get an upstream link for mergeant started because I can't seem to be able to tell LP what it wants to know to set up the relationship.
[15:52] <pedro_> jcastro: if you send a report upstream (at least on desktop) please set the status to triaged, thanks ;-)
[15:53] <bdmurray> greg-g: I hadn't seen the watches in the side before - thanks for pointing that out.  I think it would be helpful to add it to the wiki.
[15:53] <jcastro> pedro_: noted, thanks!
[15:54] <pedro_> jcastro: you're welcome
[15:54] <greg-g> bdmurray: can you help me adding the upstream link for that bug?
[15:56] <bdmurray> greg-g: I can try. ;)
[15:56] <bdmurray> mergeant is the project?
[15:56] <greg-g> yes
[15:58] <bdmurray> and the problem that you ran into is that the project doesn't exist in Launchpad yet right?
[15:58] <greg-g> right
[15:59] <bdmurray> jcastro: this is something you are pretty familiar with right?
[15:59] <jcastro> yep, I am on it greg-g
[15:59] <greg-g> jcastro: thankya, tell me what you are doing so you don't have to do it again for me :)
[16:01] <jcastro> greg-g: basically, I click on register on the lp front page
[16:01] <jcastro> then I create a new project and fill out all the info for the project
[16:01] <greg-g> oh, ok. I believe I had done that before (for a different project).  Just making sure that is the right way since it wasn't mentioned in the BugSquad "watches" page
[16:01] <jcastro> greg-g: https://edge.launchpad.net/mergeant
[16:01] <qense> you can register a project when selecting one to add a project's bug to the bug watcher
[16:01] <qense> in the search dialog there is a register project link
[16:02] <jcastro> greg-g: I usually go a step further and import their svn, register their bug tracker, etc.
[16:02] <jcastro> since so many of the registered projects are empty
[16:02] <greg-g> jcastro: yeah, good deal
[16:03] <qense> I just registered a project and found their maintainer at LP :) so I didn't do a thing(except for the bug tracker) and assigned him as maintainer
[16:03] <greg-g> qense: I'll look closer next time :)
[16:03] <qense> ok :)
[16:03] <qense> you will be maintainer after you've registered the project
[16:04] <jcastro> yeah, I usually chase down the upstream and ask if they want ownership, etc.
[16:10] <bdmurray> Doesn't it seem like that bug should be fixed by now?
[16:10] <jcastro> yeah
[16:10] <bdmurray> I mean fixed in Hardy
[16:10] <jcastro> it should, murrayc is upstream gnome-db and he confirms that it works...
[16:13] <qense> how do you mean, April Fool's Day? http://www.google.com/intl/en/press/pressrel/20080401_virgle.html
[16:14] <bdmurray> I can't find anything in the changelog about it though
[16:14] <bdmurray> But that is 2 developers saying it works though.
[16:15] <pochu> bdmurray: if the link is to fedora's bugzilla, and I add it as a bug watch, do i set the wiki to Yes or to No?
[16:15] <bdmurray> greg-g: Do you want to close it or should I?
[16:16] <greg-g> oh, yeah, I'll get it.
[16:16] <bdmurray> pochu: A bug mentioning the fedora bugzilla shouldn't have shown up.  What bug number is it?
[16:18] <pochu> bdmurray: bug 36581
[16:18] <ubotu> Launchpad bug 36581 in gamin "gam_server consumes lots of cpu time" [High,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/36581
[16:23] <greg-g> pochu: left hand side, under Remote bug watches
[16:23] <pochu> greg-g: ah
[16:23] <pochu> didn't know that. is that because a duplicate has it?
[16:23] <greg-g> hmm, not sure
[16:24] <pochu> (don't think so, none has)
[16:24] <greg-g> well, it is in a comment on a duplicate, bug 3814
[16:25] <ubotu> Launchpad bug 3814 in gamin "gamin eats cpu cycles constantly (dup-of: 36581)" [Medium,Invalid] https://launchpad.net/bugs/3814
[16:25] <ubotu> Launchpad bug 36581 in gamin "gam_server consumes lots of cpu time" [High,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/36581
[16:25] <pochu> ah, that was a bug migrated from bugzilla.ubuntu.com
[16:25] <pochu> I am reposting this from http://bugzilla.ubuntu.com/show_bug.cgi?id=6500 as I
[16:25] <pochu> have received no response from ubuntu developers, and believe this to be a
[16:25] <pochu> (from the gnome bug)
[16:25] <pochu> gamin bug rather than a packaging bug anyway:
[16:26] <pochu> bdmurray: ^-- nevermind
[16:26] <bdmurray> pochu: I see - thanks.
[16:34] <pochu> is Florian Thomas here?
[16:39] <pochu> what do you do not to duplicate efforts and open the same links? do you assign them to you first in the wiki, and later update the status?
[16:40] <bdmurray> that sounds like a good idea, or maybe saying here which one you are looking at
[16:42] <bdmurray> I'm looking at 182799
[16:44] <pochu> I say it because I opened 5 bugs in a row, but (at least) 3 of them where looked by someone else at the same time :)
[16:44] <bdmurray> That's better than nobody looking at them. ;)
[16:45] <qense> does launchpad report you when you are submitting a change to a bug when someone else has done that before you while you were editing?
[16:45] <pochu> but if we look at different bugs we can triage 4x more bugs :)
[16:45] <pochu> qense: if it's the same, yes
[16:46] <pochu> e.g. I tried to add a watch and it was done while I was adding it, and Launchpad complained
[16:46]  * greg-g is looking at 133014
[16:47] <qense> ok, thanks
[16:47] <markvandenborr1> someone wants some launchpad karma?
[16:48] <markvandenborr1> then please confirm https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/totem/+bug/208068
[16:48] <ubotu> Launchpad bug 208068 in totem "totem plays midi, but complains about missing codec afterwards" [Undecided,New]
[16:48] <keescook> hrm, how do I link to a freedesktop bug?
[16:48] <bdmurray> keescook: what bug number are you looking at?
[16:48] <keescook> bug 205037
[16:48] <ubotu> Launchpad bug 205037 in policykit "policykit or policykit-gnome do not work with passwords containing "%" character" [High,Fix released] https://launchpad.net/bugs/205037
[16:48] <markvandenborr1> it's painfully obvious, but I shouldn't of course confirm my own bug report
[16:49] <markvandenborr1> which I did, thinking this was so obvious a bug and so obviously reproducible
[16:49] <bdmurray> keescook: so also affects "Project"
[16:49] <keescook> "freedesktop" didn't show up in a search
[16:50]  * greg-g looking at 198453
[16:51] <bdmurray> Isn't policykit the "project" and freedesktop.org just the bts?
[16:51] <markvandenborr1> is there any more useful information I could add to #208068
[16:51] <markvandenborr1> ?
[16:51] <keescook> I have no idea.  :)
[16:52] <bdmurray> jcastro: ?
[16:52] <jcastro> checking
[16:53] <keescook> bdmurray: ah-ha, I needed to register it, it seems
[16:53] <bdmurray> keescook: I found one at https://launchpad.net/policykit
[16:53] <keescook> (I just created it)
[16:53]  * greg-g 181457
[16:54] <bdmurray> Okay, sweet!
[16:54] <sbarjola> hi, should announce with bug I'm checking here?
[16:56] <bdmurray> I've tried to add a watch for another policykit bug, just as an experiment, and got a message saying "This step can be avoided by updating the packaging information for policykit".
[16:56] <greg-g> sbarjola: if you could be so kind, yes.
[16:57] <bdmurray> So I'm updating it at https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/hardy/+source/policykit/+edit-packaging
[16:58] <sbarjola> ok.. thanks
[16:58] <bdmurray> keescook: so that bit is important too
[16:58] <sbarjola> #185729
[16:58] <bdmurray> as it establishes the relationship between the package in Ubuntu and the project
[16:59] <bdmurray> jcastro: did you do that bit for mergeant?
[17:01] <pochu> markvandenborr1: I think I already saw that bug
[17:01] <greg-g> the time is now noon, time to do other work.  Good looking hugday page so far everyone!
[17:02] <pochu> mvo: bug 208068, I think someone told me you need to update the automatic-codec-installation database, will you do that before the hardy release?
[17:02] <ubotu> Launchpad bug 208068 in totem "totem plays midi, but complains about missing codec afterwards" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/208068
[17:02] <pochu> (in case that was correct, of course)
[17:03] <mvo> pochu: hm, that might be a different issue, I update the database regularly, but I'm not sure if a simple update will make this bug here go away
[17:04] <bdmurray> jcastro: I did it for mergeant
[17:05] <pochu> mvo: did you update it in the last month or so?
[17:05] <pochu> (that's more or less when gstreamer-plugins-bad gained midi support)
[17:06] <markvandenborr1> pochu: thx again for that!
[17:06] <mvo> pochu: should  have happend on "14 Mar", but I can will do another update for final
[17:07] <pochu> mvo: i'm going to look into it to confirm the issue, perhaps it's a Totem bug
[17:07] <mvo> thanks pochu
[17:07] <pochu> I think that if I don't have the codec and gnome-app-install pop ups the database is good and it's a Totem bug... if it doesn't, then it would be the database
[17:08] <bdmurray> mvo: what is the best way to let you know if I've updated a bug with a branch with a fix?
[17:08] <markvandenborr1> pochu: it might be both, right...
[17:12] <pochu> mvo: gnome-app-install works fine if I uninstall gstreamer0.10-plugins-bad, so the database is fine :)
[17:12] <mvo> bdmurray: poke me
[17:12] <mvo> pochu: aha, cool! thanks for checking :)
[17:12] <bdmurray> mvo: bug 209049 has a bzr branch then.
[17:12] <ubotu> Launchpad bug 209049 in unattended-upgrades "Spelling Mistake in 50unattended-upgrades" [Wishlist,In progress] https://launchpad.net/bugs/209049
[17:13] <pochu> mvo: although it says "confirm installation of restricted software", but it's in universe :)
[17:14] <mvo> bdmurray: thanks, merging now
[17:16] <pochu> ouch X crashed
[17:17] <pochu> markvandenborr1: can you play midi files at all? they play here, but I hear no sound
[17:19] <mvo> bdmurray: commited, thanks a lot!
[17:21] <secretlondon> qense, bug #197902 failed the retrace, so it doesn't have full apport info
[17:21] <ubotu> Launchpad bug 197902 in rhythmbox "rhythmbox crashed when pluged in and removed mp3-player w/o having codec installed" [Medium,Incomplete] https://launchpad.net/bugs/197902
[17:21] <qense> doesn't it?
[17:21] <qense> oh
[17:21] <qense> I thought it was complete
[17:22] <qense> I must have confused it with another report
[17:22] <secretlondon> no, apport-failed-retrace
[17:23] <qense> oh
[17:23] <qense> oops
[17:24] <qense> thanks for telling
[17:33] <bdmurray> I want to add a bug watch for bug 199960 but am uncertain of which "Project" to use.
[17:33] <ubotu> Launchpad bug 199960 in gnome-settings-daemon "error starting GNOME Settings Daemon" [High,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/199960
[17:33] <bdmurray> pedro_: Do you have an idea?
[17:35] <pedro_> bdmurray:  It'd be gnome-settings-daemon
[17:36] <bdmurray> And that isn't registered as a project as far as I can tell.  Are we supposed to create a project for every GNOME component?
[17:36] <pedro_> you want to add one to which bug?
[17:36] <pedro_> because there's one pointing to a gtk+ bug
[17:36] <secretlondon> yes, afaik. it seems silly
[17:37] <secretlondon> it also seems to imply that every bit of gnome is registered on laucnhpad, and gives me the bug triager some ownership of the project
[17:37] <bdmurray> pedro_: right the gtk+ bug
[17:37] <pedro_> should it be reassigned then or create another task ?
[17:38] <pedro_> i'm not sure if that's the same report
[17:43] <bdmurray> pedro_: I see your point.  I'm particularly concerned about having to add projects for every part of gnome though.
[17:44] <pedro_> how others projects are managing that on launchpad?
[17:45] <pedro_> like kde for instance
[17:45] <bdmurray> I'm not sure I'll look into it though.
[17:45] <txwikinger> pedro_: I think we have a project for most parts
[17:45] <bdmurray> What have you been doing in the past?
[17:46] <keescook> bdmurray: ah-ha, okay
[17:46] <txwikinger> however, for the kde4 stuff I just use the old project equivalent
[17:47] <txwikinger> but kde has most stuff combined in groups kdebase, kdelibs, kdeutils etc
[17:47] <pochu> markvandenborr1, mvo: I've reproduced it, and it sounds more like a GStreamer issue to me
[17:47] <pedro_> bdmurray: what you suggest is having just a big upstream project called gnome and delete the single upstream products?
[17:47] <pochu> pedro_: can you reproduce bug 208068 with my steps?
[17:47] <ubotu> Launchpad bug 208068 in totem "totem plays midi, but complains about missing codec afterwards" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/208068
[17:47] <secretlondon> basically all projects need to be registered before you can forward upstream, including universe
[17:47] <pedro_> pochu: looking
[17:47] <pochu> thanks
[17:48] <bdmurray> pedro_: I'm not certain what the right solution is, I just think this one sounds painful.
[17:48] <txwikinger> can LP bug watch savannah?
[17:48] <bdmurray> txwikinger: yes
[17:48] <pedro_> secretlondon: indeed, I'd better go for if we import a project we should ask for a upstream contact and create the project that's it
[17:49]  * DOOM_NX helloooooooooooooo
[17:50] <secretlondon> I feel I shouldn't get power to make a launchpad project as I'm just a triager. Can upstream get back their projects?
[17:50] <pedro_> hey DOOM_NX
[17:51] <secretlondon> hmm. xchat scrolling this channel but not giving me new posts
[17:52] <pedro_> pochu: reproduced, I'm attaching a gstreamer log to it
[17:54] <sbarjola> bug 197730
[17:54] <ubotu> Launchpad bug 197730 in eog "Eye of GNOME doesn't speak Bluetooth." [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/197730
[17:56] <pochu> pedro_: cool, thank you
[18:03]  * DOOM_NX opa giati paei pros ta pisw h karekla?...
[18:35]  * DOOM_NX goodnight everyone! just ring me if u need anything, love u all :)
[18:37] <bdmurray> pedro_: I'm going to unmark bug 209979 as a duplicate as I was using it to test some bughelper stuff.  I'll mark it again later.
[18:37] <ubotu> Bug 209979 on http://launchpad.net/bugs/209979 is private
[18:48]  * jcastro is working on 146946
[18:48] <seb128> jcastro: you should write "bug" before the numbers
[18:49] <bdmurray> thekorn: ping
[18:50] <collusion> Updated bug 128585
[18:50] <ubotu> Launchpad bug 128585 in linux-source-2.6.22 "[gutsy] no sound with SAA7134 - pci id 1102:0005" [Medium,Triaged] https://launchpad.net/bugs/128585
[18:52] <thekorn> bdmurray, peng
[18:53] <bdmurray> I'm trying to get a bughelper clue file to match bug 209979 and I'm not having any luck
[18:53] <ubotu> Launchpad bug 209979 in gnome-panel "gnome-panel crashed with SIGSEGV in clock_zoneinfo_get_coords()" [Medium,Invalid] https://launchpad.net/bugs/209979
[18:53] <collusion> Are the bugs listed on UbuntuBugDay/20080401 in any particular order?
[18:54] <thekorn> bdmurray, what are the important facts in this bugreport
[18:55] <bdmurray> thekorn: I've been using "clock_zoneinfo_get_coords" as the op most recently and it matches 201102 (the master) but not 209979
[18:55] <bdmurray> collusion: no they are not
[18:56] <thekorn> bug 201102
[18:56] <ubotu> Launchpad bug 201102 in gnome-panel "gnome-panel crashes when selecting location without coordinates" [Medium,Triaged] https://launchpad.net/bugs/201102
[18:59] <thekorn> bdmurray, are you using the gnome-panel.info file in the -data branch?
[18:59] <thekorn> I'm wondering if this file is valid at all
[19:00] <bdmurray> thekorn: I cleaned it up but haven't committed it yet as I was trying to add this clue
[19:00] <thekorn> ok, playing with this now
[19:01] <bdmurray> I've tried searching dups and attachments and only get 2 matches with it
[19:01] <bddebian> Boo
[19:06] <collusion> Updated bug 205940
[19:06] <ubotu> Launchpad bug 205940 in gnome-panel "Places menu shows "x-nautilus-desktop"" [Low,Incomplete] https://launchpad.net/bugs/205940
[19:10] <thekorn> bdmurray, ok, bug 209979 is not shown because it's "Invalid"
[19:10] <ubotu> Launchpad bug 209979 in gnome-panel "gnome-panel crashed with SIGSEGV in clock_zoneinfo_get_coords()" [Medium,Invalid] https://launchpad.net/bugs/209979
[19:10] <bdmurray> thekorn: doh! thanks
[19:12] <bdmurray> thekorn: additionally I had tried to make the op "run_find_location_save (button=<value optimized out>, cd=0xb0bc10) at clock.c:3202" but I think the <value optimized out> bit was causing problems.  Is that right?
[19:13] <thekorn> bdmurray, you are right, but there are two options:
[19:13] <thekorn> escape the <>, I'm not sure how to do this in xml
[19:14] <thekorn> or use a regular expression
[19:15] <bdmurray> What is the format for clue file regular expressions?
[19:19] <thekorn> bdmurray, <op>r'myRegEx'</op>
[19:20] <thekorn> bdmurray, so maybe something like: r"run_find_location_save \(button[^\.]+\.c\:3202"
[19:20] <thekorn> ugly but should do the job
[19:22] <bdmurray> thekorn: thanks, I'll give it a shot
[19:36] <greg-g> when is regex not ugly?
[19:37] <secretlondon> I wish I could find *any* info to debug my own system freeze bug
[19:37]  * secretlondon grumbles
[19:39] <jcastro> 10 more bugs!
[19:40] <greg-g> holy crap
[19:40] <greg-g> I mean, wow
[19:40] <qense> is it possible dat 5-a-day-applet doesn't do a thing when your SSH key isn't right?
[19:41] <jcastro> yeah it just silently fails, it has a log in /tmp though
[19:41] <qense> ok
[19:41] <qense> thx
[19:47] <thekorn> bdmurray, hmm, it fails  with r"run_find_location_save \(button[^\.]+\.c\:3202" but works with
[19:47] <thekorn> r'run_find_location_save \(button[^\.]+\.c\:3202'
[19:53] <bdmurray> thekorn: the difference there is single quotes vs double right?  I'd been using single
[19:54] <thekorn> right, but in my example I used double
[19:55] <thekorn> and it took me some time to understand why this is not working :)
[19:55] <bdmurray> ah! ;)
[20:07] <greg-g> there, made my 7 day average be 5 or more
[20:08] <secretlondon> yay
[20:08]  * secretlondon got sick of them
[20:08] <greg-g> :)
[20:09] <greg-g> some are intense (so many issues popping in in comments/not really sure if anyone knows what the cause is, etc)
[20:09] <secretlondon> yeah, and a lot of the bugs upstream are *not* watches as they are just related issues
[20:10] <greg-g> right right
[20:19] <jcastro> greg-g: not a bad days pull for 5-a-day. We might eventually catch kubuntu-de someday
[20:22] <greg-g> yeah, with the bug jam at PC and some events this summer, we could definitely rope in, I mean, welcome more people to participate
[20:22] <greg-g> jcastro: ^
[20:26] <jcastro> greg-g: I created this: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/RunningBugJam
[20:28] <greg-g> jcastro: is the playbook created yet?
[20:28] <jcastro> greg-g: It's finished but we haven't got the pdf back from the art folks.
[20:29] <greg-g> jcastro: ah
[20:29] <jcastro> greg-g: They have a deadline to get them done for penguicon so we have them.
[20:29] <greg-g> good deal
[20:29] <jcastro> then we can link it to anyone who wants to run a bug jam.
[20:30] <greg-g> yep yep, I do like those playbooks
[20:30] <jcastro> greg-g: feel free to edit that page as you see fit.
[20:37] <blueyed> Does the move-duplicates script from fnord work for you? I'm getting an internal error only.
[20:38] <blueyed> https://lists.ubuntu.com/archives/ubuntu-bugsquad/2008-March/000800.html
[20:39] <afflux> afflux!
[20:39] <afflux> fnord is just the mail alias :P
[20:39] <afflux> blueyed: what internal error?
[20:40] <askand> Should I marked the bugs that I have reported but now is solved as invalid?
[20:42] <bdmurray> askand: probably it depends on how you solved it
[20:43] <askand> bdmurray: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/linux-source-2.6.20/+bug/106157 and https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+bug/153734 ...for example..the second one I have already marked as invalid as I was the only one involved..but there were a lot more activity in the first bug so I did not know how to finish it really
[20:43] <ubotu> Launchpad bug 106157 in linux-source-2.6.20 "Cannot connect with networkmanager in latest kernel" [Medium,Confirmed]
[20:44] <blueyed> afflux: :) "An internal server error occurred. Please try again later. (url: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/python-support/+bug/193632/+duplicate"
[20:44] <ubotu> Launchpad bug 193632 in python-support "update-python-modules crashed with IOError in post_change_stuff() (dup-of: 189270)" [Undecided,New]
[20:44] <ubotu> Launchpad bug 189270 in python-support "update-python-modules crashed with IOError in post_change_stuff()" [Undecided,New]
[20:44] <blueyed> afflux: http://pastebin.com/m60bfecc0
[20:45] <blueyed> askand: If they have been fixed, close them as "Fix released"
[20:46] <askand> blueyed: will do
[20:49] <afflux> blueyed: don't know, sounds very much like a temporary issue imho
[20:49] <afflux> blueyed: not sure if that's related: I've tested everything using my lp-beta-testers account
[20:50] <blueyed> afflux: I have a edge cookie, too, I suppose. Can you try "lp-mv-dupes -m 208961 --also-move-masterbugs 193632"?
[20:50] <blueyed> s/lp-mv-dupes/whatever-your-name-is/
[20:50] <bdmurray> If there is no clear indication as to what fixed the bug or what the root cause of the bug was Fix Released isn't really appropriate
[20:51] <afflux> blueyed: right, checking
[20:51] <bdmurray> askand: It'd be useful to know under what conditions bug 106157 is no longer present.  What version of the kernel?  What version of network-manager?
[20:52] <askand> bdmurray: In the hardy beta..dont know what version of kernel and nm is in there
[20:56] <keescook> hrm, my monitor has stopped power-saving.  where should I file that?  :P
[20:57] <bdmurray> against the aprilfool package?
[20:59] <secretlondon> bdmurray: that bug was moved to being against ubuntu as it was claimed it was done by ubuntu not by launchpad
[21:00] <secretlondon> bdmurray: bug #1858967
[21:00] <secretlondon> bdmurray: bug #185897
[21:00] <ubotu> Launchpad bug 185897 in ubuntu "Bug reporting instuctions need humanising" [Undecided,Invalid] https://launchpad.net/bugs/185897
[21:01] <bdmurray> secretlondon: Right, those instructions exist in Launchpad but are controlled by the Ubuntu distribution but are not part of the operating system and that's why I don't think a bug in Launchpad is the right forum for that.
[21:02] <secretlondon> bdmurray: sure, I saw it as a bug on launchpad, on malone originally
[21:03] <blueyed> afflux: it worked for you?
[21:03] <afflux> blueyed: sry, forget the script, it took some time
[21:03] <afflux> blueyed: but worked, yes
[21:05] <bdmurray> secretlondon: Okay, why did you bring it up?
[21:05] <secretlondon> just because you just closed it, and I originally reported it
[21:05] <secretlondon> but I agree it's 100% better now..
[21:06] <bdmurray> Okay, great!  I've been tweaking them a fair bit.
[21:07] <secretlondon> cool :)
[21:12] <blueyed> afflux: Thanks for testing it, I'll try again later.. maybe my cookie's account is broken somehow..
[21:12] <afflux> blueyed: let me know when you found out
[21:13] <blueyed> Does somebody now what may cause "ErrorMessage: package X is already installed and configured"? There are quite some of those bug reports for various packages, e.g. bug 206645
[21:13] <ubotu> Launchpad bug 206645 in bash "package bash 3.2-0ubuntu15 failed to install/upgrade: package bash is already installed and configured" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/206645
[21:23] <jwendell> pochu, around?
[21:33] <andrea_c7a> Hi. I created a debdiff to fix bug #201330. Now I should look for a sponsor but https://wiki.ubuntu.com/SponsorshipProcess is not very clear on how to do this. Shall I set it as "Fix Released" ? Why not "Fix Committed" ? Why "unsubscribe ubuntu-main-sponsors" ?
[21:33] <ubotu> Launchpad bug 201330 in compiz "Need to whitelist multiple ATI cards, or remove blacklisting" [Medium,Triaged] https://launchpad.net/bugs/201330
[21:38] <txwikinger> andrea_c7a: You should put the bug on confirmed and subscribe the correct sponsor list for the part of the repo
[21:39] <txwikinger> i.e. main for packages in main, and MOTU for universe
[21:39] <txwikinger> for such question #ubuntu-motu is the better channel btw.
[21:40] <andrea_c7a> ok but the bug relates to compiz which is in main. motu is for universe right ?
[22:21] <pochu> jwendell: hi, how are you?
[22:21] <jwendell> pochu, hi. fine, thanks
[22:21] <jwendell> pochu, I was going to ask you to reply that vinagre bug, but I already have done
[22:22] <pochu> bug 208449?
[22:22] <ubotu> Launchpad bug 208449 in vinagre "vinagre crashed with SIGSEGV" [Medium,Incomplete] https://launchpad.net/bugs/208449
[22:23] <jwendell> pochu, yep
[22:23] <jwendell> pochu, fortunately next gtk-vnc/vinagre will come with a debug framework, and will not be necessary to rebuild it anymore
[22:24] <jwendell> pochu, it will be enough to run 'vinagre --gtk-vnc-debug' to get debug output ;)
[22:33] <pochu> jwendell: oh, that sounds so cool :)
[22:34] <jwendell> pochu, ask people to rebuild something is too hard
[22:34] <jwendell> :)
[22:34] <pochu> jwendell: another option would be to ask the reporters to install a -dbgsym, but I guess that would be only useful for crashes
[22:34] <pochu> heh, indeed
[22:34] <jwendell> pochu, yes, we need a good backtrace + debug info
[22:35] <pochu> for the backtrace, the dbgsym would be useful... not sure for the debug output
[22:36] <jwendell> pochu, for debug, they have to rebuild gtk-vnc with --enable-debug in configure :P
[22:37] <pochu> right... I'll add a comment on the bug offering my help if they have issues with rebuilding it
[22:38] <jwendell> pochu, thanks