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| pochu | asac: does https://bugs.edge.launchpad.net/@@/bug-status-expand loads for you from firefox3? It doesn't here, though works with ephy | 01:29 |
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| pochu | asac: clearing the cache fixed it | 02:00 |
| manchicken_ | So it looks like the gvfs issue has mostly been resolved. Was it fixed, scrapped, or worked-around somehow? | 06:57 |
| Amaranth | fixed, mostly | 07:03 |
| Amaranth | just needed a bit of polish, the framework and features were there | 07:04 |
| Amaranth | well, a lot of polish, people worked their ass off on it | 07:04 |
| manchicken_ | It certainly appears that way. | 07:05 |
| manchicken_ | I'm impressed. | 07:05 |
| manchicken_ | Hardy is looking rather nice right now. | 07:05 |
| manchicken_ | I'm upgrading my laptop right now. | 07:05 |
| Amaranth | it went from "we're boned" to "wow this stuff works" in about a month | 07:05 |
| manchicken_ | The only annoyance is the flash and ia32 issues. | 07:05 |
| manchicken_ | Yeah, I remember last we spoke you seemed rather jaded. | 07:06 |
| manchicken_ | I usually switch to the latest version shortly before it releases to help with testing. | 07:07 |
| manchicken_ | System76 hates it though, because I'll actually bother poor Tom Aaron over there with my questions. | 07:07 |
| manchicken_ | He's a champ though. | 07:07 |
| Amaranth | haha | 07:07 |
| manchicken_ | I've never had such good support as what I get with System76. | 07:08 |
| manchicken_ | I wish they had a small business support contract. I'd sign it with them in a heartbeat. Tom Aaron has personally pulled my rear out of the blaze several times. | 07:08 |
| manchicken_ | If only all folks provided after-sale support as well. | 07:09 |
| manchicken_ | Amaranth: Do you use gedit for hacking? | 07:10 |
| Amaranth | yep | 07:10 |
| Amaranth | gedit and vim | 07:10 |
| manchicken_ | Do you know if they have an subversion plugins? | 07:10 |
| Amaranth | no idea, i don't use it like that | 07:10 |
| manchicken_ | Emacs has excellent subversion support... I kinda miss that in gedit. | 07:11 |
| manchicken_ | And do you know if gedit has repeatable macros? | 07:11 |
| Amaranth | I don't do anything like that either | 07:12 |
| manchicken_ | I like the vfs capabilities--helps keep me using the same editor regardless of which client I'm working on--but some functionality like that is just sorely missed. | 07:12 |
| dholbach | good morning | 07:54 |
| mvo | hey seb128, MacSlow | 08:52 |
| seb128 | hello mvo | 08:53 |
| mvo | seb128: I didn't manage the sponsoring last night, I will do it this morning | 08:53 |
| MacSlow | morning mvo, seb128 | 08:53 |
| seb128 | mvo: that's alright, no hurry | 08:53 |
| seb128 | mvo: while you are at it, you might want to apply the change on bug #175904 | 09:02 |
| seb128 | pitti seems to be on the opinion that using tabs is nicer too | 09:03 |
| seb128 | I think firefox is broken but I'm not using it so I don't really care | 09:03 |
| seb128 | you guys decide whatever you want for it ;-) | 09:03 |
| slomo | seb128: do you know what happened to the glib 2.16.2 tarball? :) | 09:05 |
| seb128 | slomo: what do you mean? | 09:05 |
| seb128 | it's on download.gnome.org | 09:05 |
| slomo | seb128: i only get 404 :) can you download it? | 09:06 |
| seb128 | oh, no, it's not | 09:06 |
| seb128 | no, no idea | 09:06 |
| slomo | ok :) | 09:06 |
| huats | morning everyone | 09:16 |
| huats | o/ crevette | 09:16 |
| crevette | salut | 09:16 |
| huats | seb128: hello :) | 09:16 |
| seb128 | lut crevette huats | 09:17 |
| seb128 | mvo: read what I wrote before? | 09:17 |
| slomo | seb128: ok, so what exactly was needed for getting new swfdec stuff into hardy? :) | 09:17 |
| seb128 | slomo: somebody doing the work, I'm overworked | 09:17 |
| slomo | seb128: just testing if it works, adjust for xulrunner1.9 and upload/request syncs? | 09:18 |
| seb128 | which means feature freeze exception bugs with rather, doing the update and the transition if there is a need to rebuild other things due to the versionning change | 09:18 |
| seb128 | right | 09:18 |
| slomo | FFe shouldn't be needed because swfdec-gnome is part of gnome and the other two parts, swfdec0.6/swfdec-mozilla, are needed | 09:19 |
| slomo | seb128: also, no rdeps except swfdec-{gnome,mozilla} | 09:23 |
| seb128 | slomo: not sure, swfdec-gnome is part of GNOME but swfdec is not | 09:25 |
| seb128 | if next gedit was depending on xorg current git we would not update xorg ;-) | 09:25 |
| slomo | right, that argument is not good :) | 09:26 |
| slomo | let's ask pitti :) | 09:26 |
| seb128 | just ask to slangasek if that's ok | 09:26 |
| seb128 | he's around | 09:26 |
| slomo | ok | 09:26 |
| seb128 | slomo: ah right, that's universe | 09:31 |
| seb128 | just upload then | 09:32 |
| seb128 | motu rules are too complicated nowadays ;-) | 09:32 |
| seb128 | ah, there is a sponsoring request as dholbach pointed on the other channel | 09:33 |
| slomo | yes | 09:33 |
| slomo | seb128: so, you sync swfdec0.6 and swfdec-gnome, i'll sponsor swfdec-mozilla... sounds good? :) | 09:34 |
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| seb128 | alright, let's do that ;-) | 09:35 |
| slomo | seb128: i guess swfdec-gnome wants the Xb-Npp-Applications/Xb-Npp-MimeType stuff too? how does this work? ;) | 09:37 |
| seb128 | ask asac | 09:37 |
| slomo | asac: ^--- | 09:37 |
| asac | slomo: what do you want to know? a good start would be to copy the lines from gnash and modify the -Name field | 09:45 |
| asac | slomo: swfdec-gnome? isn't the plugin package called swfdec-mozilla? | 09:46 |
| seb128 | lool: btw about the glib upload, did you commit your changes to debian? | 10:03 |
| seb128 | lool: might be rather a desktop chan thing ;-) | 10:03 |
| seb128 | lool: because the changelog entry items are not in the debian upload | 10:03 |
| lool | seb128: http://paste.debian.net/52287 this is Debian SVN | 10:04 |
| lool | This is Ubuntu hardy http://paste.debian.net/52288 | 10:05 |
| lool | Hmm weird choice of version in hardy from me indeed; should have been -3~hardy1 | 10:05 |
| seb128 | lool: right, what confused me is that debian got a -2 which has none of those ubuntu changes | 10:05 |
| seb128 | lool: so I though you didn't commit your local -2 | 10:06 |
| lool | seb128: I should have used -3~hardy1; or -2+hardy1 | 10:06 |
| lool | Everything is committed AFAICS | 10:06 |
| seb128 | right, makes sense now | 10:06 |
| seb128 | I was just wondering why the official -2 had none of your -2 snapshot changes | 10:06 |
| seb128 | anyway no big deal ;-) | 10:07 |
| seb128 | pitti: stop reassigning random apport bugs to gtk only because they crash in a gtk function ;-) | 10:07 |
| seb128 | or glib2.0 rather | 10:08 |
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| coNP[uni] | good morning | 10:27 |
| slomo | asac: so the Npp stuff is for mozilla only? | 10:30 |
| seb128 | hey coNP[uni] | 10:30 |
| coNP[uni] | hey seb128 | 10:30 |
| asac | slomo: for gecko plugins, right. | 10:31 |
| slomo | ok, then swfdec-gnome doesn't need it :) | 10:31 |
| slomo | thanks | 10:31 |
| asac | slomo: will you take care that its upgraded? | 10:31 |
| asac | i think there is a sponsoring request for swfdec | 10:32 |
| slomo | asac: yes, seb will sync swfdec0.6 and swfdec-gnome | 10:32 |
| slomo | asac: and i'll care for sponsoring swfdec-mozill | 10:32 |
| slomo | right | 10:32 |
| asac | ok great ... please remember to include those headers in the mozilla part. | 10:32 |
| slomo | asac: what do you mean? | 10:33 |
| asac | Xb-Npp :) | 10:33 |
| slomo | ah | 10:33 |
| slomo | sure | 10:33 |
| slomo | :) | 10:33 |
| slomo | seb128: so, please sync swfdec0.6 (and accept things from NEW) and swfdec-gnome :) | 10:36 |
| seb128 | slomo: ok | 10:43 |
| lool | Hmm poppler 0.8 | 10:44 |
| seb128 | lool: I'm looking at it, but it has quite some changes | 10:45 |
| seb128 | fc already has it though | 10:45 |
| lool | We didn't track 0.7.x series | 10:46 |
| seb128 | no we didn't | 10:49 |
| slomo | what's new in 0.8? | 10:53 |
| lapo | hi | 10:54 |
| slomo | except the annotations support... which won't be useful without evince supporting it | 10:54 |
| lapo | seb128: http://people.freedesktop.org/~lapo/misc%20stuff/application-x-cd-image.tar.bz2 | 10:56 |
| seb128 | lapo: ah, thanks! | 10:57 |
| lapo | np | 10:57 |
| lool | slomo: It seems to me stability fixes have been pushed to 0.8 and might not be pushed to 0.6 as often | 10:57 |
| seb128 | sonames changed | 10:58 |
| lool | Even the glib one? | 10:58 |
| seb128 | yes | 10:59 |
| slomo | api changes too? | 10:59 |
| lool | The glib lib was supposed to be quite stable | 10:59 |
| seb128 | " * Change glib public api to have a correct naming" | 11:00 |
| slomo | yay | 11:00 |
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| slomo | asac, seb128: swfdec-mozilla uploaded, will go to dep-wait of course ;) | 11:09 |
| * asac hugs slomo | 11:11 | |
| asac | frequently requested and constantly out of love :) | 11:12 |
| asac | you definitly made some people happy | 11:12 |
| slomo | asac: do we have gnash by default btw? is gnash better in your oppinion? :) | 11:12 |
| asac | slomo: no ... we don't have a default because we lack a way to educate users about existing alternatives | 11:13 |
| asac | i have no strong opinion about gnash vs. swfdec. swfdec 0.6 was definitly ahead of our gutsy gnash, but i would say that hardy gnash is again ahead | 11:14 |
| asac | but hard to measure | 11:14 |
| seb128 | the swfdec upstream will be at uds btw | 11:14 |
| asac | company? | 11:14 |
| seb128 | yes | 11:15 |
| asac | good | 11:15 |
| asac | i know him from university ;) ... but long time ago | 11:15 |
| asac | and met him in seville | 11:15 |
| asac | he definitly does great work given that he mostly develops everything on his own | 11:16 |
| seb128 | indeed | 11:16 |
| pitti | slomo: ask me what? | 11:19 |
| pitti | seb128: assign bugs> ok; where should I assign it to instead? | 11:20 |
| pitti | seb128: pygtk? | 11:20 |
| slomo | pitti: already solved :) | 11:20 |
| pitti | great | 11:20 |
| seb128 | pitti: well, those might as well be apport bugs, we don't have enough informations to know | 11:20 |
| seb128 | pitti: I've asked for valgrind logs, one seems to a librsvg issue | 11:21 |
| seb128 | pitti: could you have a look on the trivial patch on http://bugzilla.gnome.org/show_bug.cgi?id=523884 and tell me if you think it's correct? | 11:23 |
| ubotu | Gnome bug 523884 in programs ""Eject" should eject the CD-ROM drive tray" [Normal,New] | 11:23 |
| seb128 | Amaranth, mvo, pitti: any idea what should be changed to fix https://bugs.edge.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/gnome-control-center/+bug/206259? | 11:33 |
| ubotu | Launchpad bug 206259 in gnome-control-center "gnome-appearance-properties won't start Compiz" [Medium,New] | 11:33 |
| pitti | seb128: re 523884, what is the bug? "eject" option works fine in computer:/// and on desktop for me | 11:34 |
| pitti | ah, with no media, I see | 11:34 |
| pitti | seb128: IMHO the patch looks correct for what you intend to do; I'm not 100% sure whether gnome-mount is meant to behave that way | 11:35 |
| pitti | but *shrug*, -e without a media doesn't have any other sensible behaviour, so why not | 11:35 |
| pitti | seb128: IMHO, 260259 is a dup of bug 207957 | 11:36 |
| ubotu | Launchpad bug 207957 in jockey "Driver manager tries to install unneeded FGLRX driver for Compiz" [High,In progress] https://launchpad.net/bugs/207957 | 11:36 |
| pitti | shall I mark it as such? | 11:37 |
| pitti | i. e. I need to teach jockey to not install fglrx with --check-composite if ati is used | 11:37 |
| pitti | there is a trivial, but conceptually wrong solution (mark fglrx as not being composite-capable) | 11:37 |
| pitti | or, if I find the time, implement a concept and list of 'current' driver (more work, maybe not hardy) | 11:38 |
| pitti | but in all cases I'll fix it RSN | 11:38 |
| seb128 | pitti: yes please mark it dup if that's the same issue | 11:38 |
| * seb128 hugs pitti | 11:38 | |
| seb128 | pitti: I'll upload the gnome-mount change, it should not break anything anyway | 11:39 |
| pitti | done | 11:39 |
| * pitti hugs seb128, merci | 11:39 | |
| slomo | seb128: swfdec0.6 on binary NEW everywhere except hppa which seems to have a filled build queue ;) | 11:46 |
| BUGabundo | hi there | 11:49 |
| BUGabundo | can I have some attention to wish bug #210133 | 11:49 |
| ubotu | Launchpad bug 210133 in nautilus "[Intrepid Ibex][wishbug] separate icon view zoom for desktop and nautilus" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/210133 | 11:49 |
| BUGabundo | ?? | 11:49 |
| BUGabundo | thanks | 11:49 |
| seb128 | BUGabundo: that's not trivial to fix, require UI changes and there is thousand bugs open, I don't think this one will be worked any time soon | 11:52 |
| seb128 | BUGabundo: and that's likely a duplicate too | 11:53 |
| BUGabundo | didn't kwon | 11:53 |
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| BUGabundo | filed it yesterday via email | 11:54 |
| BUGabundo | so no way to check for dupes | 11:54 |
| BUGabundo | still, seb128, its just a wishbug | 11:54 |
| BUGabundo | for hardy+1 or the near future | 11:54 |
| seb128 | you should really check for duplicates before filling bugs | 11:56 |
| seb128 | it takes you a few minutes to do that | 11:56 |
| seb128 | but it takes us days to do that for the hundred of duplicates sent | 11:57 |
| BUGabundo | not when you are offline | 11:57 |
| seb128 | and those are hours not spend on fixing issues | 11:57 |
| BUGabundo | and just using email to post to mallone | 11:57 |
| seb128 | I would argue that if you are offline you should not send bugs | 11:57 |
| BUGabundo | I'll have a look at it now | 11:57 |
| BUGabundo | and mark it as dup, if I find the original | 11:57 |
| seb128 | thanks | 11:57 |
| BUGabundo | I shouldn't fill bugs while offline?? | 11:58 |
| seb128 | about the feature I doubt it'll be implemented any time soon | 11:58 |
| BUGabundo | come on... you must be kiding with me | 11:58 |
| seb128 | you should file bugs without checking for duplicates no | 11:58 |
| BUGabundo | it must be aprils fool day | 11:58 |
| seb128 | s/should/shouldn't | 11:58 |
| BUGabundo | that's a question for kiko | 11:58 |
| seb128 | what has kiko to do with that? | 11:58 |
| BUGabundo | I asked for a way to get a reply from malone against dups | 11:59 |
| seb128 | I'm just saying that we spend way too much time triaging duplicates for people who don't bother doing so | 11:59 |
| BUGabundo | LP DEV teams says it thoesnt exist | 11:59 |
| BUGabundo | so I have to wait for it | 11:59 |
| seb128 | it's not that hard to look if there is a bug already open matching the issue you are having | 11:59 |
| BUGabundo | I know that devs and bug-triage teams spent lots of time with this | 11:59 |
| seb128 | as said it takes you a few minutes | 12:00 |
| seb128 | and it takes hours to do that for hundred of people who don't care | 12:00 |
| BUGabundo | that Why when I report a bug via LP I always search for dups | 12:00 |
| BUGabundo | but I also do lots of work offline | 12:00 |
| seb128 | well, obviously you didn't there | 12:00 |
| BUGabundo | and sent emails from there | 12:00 |
| seb128 | well you can't send mails offline | 12:00 |
| BUGabundo | When I go online, If I have the time I search for dups for those | 12:00 |
| BUGabundo | yes you can... they just are kept on the postfix queue | 12:01 |
| BUGabundo | brb | 12:01 |
| BUGabundo | need to setup a printer | 12:01 |
| seb128 | BUGabundo: also don't specify ubuntu versions nor tag or settings in the title | 12:03 |
| seb128 | BUGabundo: the bug has settings and a description for a reason | 12:03 |
| BUGabundo | back | 12:17 |
| BUGabundo | sorry for that | 12:17 |
| BUGabundo | didn't know of a better way | 12:17 |
| BUGabundo | can't find a dup for it | 12:17 |
| BUGabundo | sorry for the extra work | 12:17 |
| BUGabundo | as far as I can search | 12:17 |
| BUGabundo | this is the single one with the keywords icon zoom | 12:17 |
| seb128 | the bug might have been closed as wontfix | 12:21 |
| seb128 | I've read several times about the topic during the years | 12:21 |
| seb128 | anyway lunch now | 12:21 |
| BUGabundo | yep, me too, | 12:34 |
| slomo | seb128: you want to sync gst-plugins-bad0.10 0.10.6-7 later :) fixes potentional license issues caused by linking openssl via a gstreamer plugin | 12:34 |
| BUGabundo | good lunch seb128 | 12:34 |
| BUGabundo | seb128: still with advance search, and every option selected I can't find a similar bug. will see this after lunch | 12:37 |
| seb128 | slomo: ok | 12:39 |
| seb128 | BUGabundo: ok, don't spend too much effort on it, that's an upstream wishlist anyway | 12:39 |
| BUGabundo | yep | 12:39 |
| pochu | slomo: woops, there's no libneon28-dev in hardy | 13:17 |
| slomo | pochu: hm? it build depends on libneon27-gnutls-dev | 13:17 |
| slomo | from neon 27 to 28 the soname didn't change | 13:17 |
| slomo | the patch only makes configure happy with neon >= 0.27.99 | 13:18 |
| pochu | ah, right | 13:18 |
| pochu | sorry :) | 13:18 |
| pochu | slomo: that's one of the consequences of not having a pkg-gstreamer-commits mailing list :p | 13:18 |
| pochu | [ can I have one? ] | 13:19 |
| slomo | i'm lazy | 13:19 |
| slomo | how can i create one? :) | 13:19 |
| pochu | hmm, no idea TBH, I guess asking on #alioth on OFTC :) | 13:19 |
| pochu | lool: ^ | 13:19 |
| slomo | i know how to create a list but that doesn't get us the commits there ;) | 13:19 |
| fernando | moin all | 13:31 |
| BUGabundo | hi fernando | 13:31 |
| lool | slomo, pochu: sure, that's very useful in my experience, we should have one | 13:54 |
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| kwwii | seb128: did the screensaver stuff make it into a package yet? | 14:28 |
| seb128 | kwwii: doh, I forgot about that, no | 14:28 |
| seb128 | kwwii: btw there is some issues with your icon theme update | 14:29 |
| seb128 | kwwii: try to unmount an usb key and look to the computer location | 14:29 |
| kwwii | seb128: ouch, what is that? | 14:29 |
| seb128 | itt's using a tiny icon | 14:29 |
| kwwii | hrm, that is freaky | 14:29 |
| seb128 | could be that this icon has no scalable nor 48x48 versions? | 14:30 |
| kwwii | seb128: here is works witha usb key but is small with a sd card | 14:30 |
| kwwii | the 48x48 should be there, let me check this out again | 14:31 |
| kwwii | seb128: are you sure it was with a usb key or was it a flash card of some type? | 14:34 |
| lool | Heh did you people see epiphany drops support for gecko? | 14:37 |
| lool | :) | 14:37 |
| seb128 | bah, april 1 sucks | 14:38 |
| lool | Nah | 14:38 |
| lool | It's fun, let's release! | 14:38 |
| kwwii | seb128: do you have a bug number for that? I can only reproduce the flash card stuff on my system | 14:40 |
| seb128 | kwwii: I'm looking for the icon used a sec | 14:40 |
| seb128 | kwwii: found it | 14:42 |
| seb128 | kwwii: /usr/share/icons/Human/16x16/devices/drive-removable-media-usb.png | 14:42 |
| seb128 | kwwii: there is a /usr/share/icons/Human/48x48/devices/drive-removable-media-usb, not the naming issue | 14:43 |
| seb128 | kwwii: renaming the 48x48 one fixes the issue | 14:44 |
| kwwii | lol | 14:45 |
| seb128 | kwwii: typos in the .links | 14:45 |
| kwwii | well, I also found that the flash link is missing at the larger sizes | 14:45 |
| kwwii | seb128: I will fix both of those | 14:45 |
| kwwii | thanks | 14:45 |
| seb128 | you are welcome | 14:46 |
| seb128 | thank you for fixing those | 14:46 |
| seb128 | kwwii: the 24x24 has a similar typo too | 14:47 |
| kwwii | seb128: about the screensaver stuff, I was looking into putting the svg and .desktop file into human-theme and then setting the gconf key in ubuntu-artwork, does that sound right? | 14:47 |
| seb128 | yes, that would be alright | 14:47 |
| seb128 | are you working with mvo on those changes? | 14:47 |
| seb128 | or that was something different? | 14:47 |
| mvo | seb128: I will sponsors kwwii changes, but I haven't discussed screensaver stuff with him (no idea about this) | 14:50 |
| seb128 | mvo: that's basically install the .desktop and the svg | 14:51 |
| * mvo nods | 14:51 | |
| asac | seb128: do we still use gnomevfs to figure applications by mime-type somewhere? | 14:51 |
| seb128 | mvo: and adding the gconf-defaults | 14:51 |
| * asac thinks its now gio | 14:51 | |
| asac | ? | 14:51 |
| seb128 | asac: yes, lot of things have not been ported to gio and gvfs yet | 14:51 |
| asac | seb128: is there a command line tool i can use to query by mime-type? | 14:52 |
| asac | to test? | 14:52 |
| kwwii | seb128: I was working with mvo on the ubuntulooks stuff but I might as well add the screensaver while I am touching those packages | 14:52 |
| asac | kwwii: ah, before i forget. someone pointed out that in /usr/share/doc/tangerine-icon-theme/copyright it reads "The Human Icon Theme is licensed under the ..." :) | 14:53 |
| seb128 | kwwii: yes, I've read your mail, the gconf-default change seems to be already and installing the svg and desktop is only a matter of copying those in the source and changing the .install, it's trivial enough to do for mvo I think ;-) | 14:53 |
| kwwii | seb128: so I do not need to add the gconf setting in ubuntu-artwork? | 14:54 |
| seb128 | doh, can't type today | 14:55 |
| seb128 | s/already/alright | 14:55 |
| seb128 | you need it, just add the line to the human-theme one | 14:56 |
| kwwii | lol | 14:56 |
| kwwii | right | 14:56 |
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| * Hobbsee is liking this whole "only one lot of wait" thing for her computer booting, now | 15:18 | |
| kwwii | seb128: updated human-icon-theme source package here: | 15:34 |
| kwwii | http://sinecera.de/human-icon-theme_0.27.dsc | 15:34 |
| kwwii | http://sinecera.de/human-icon-theme_0.27_source.build | 15:34 |
| kwwii | http://sinecera.de/human-icon-theme_0.27_source.changes | 15:34 |
| kwwii | http://sinecera.de/human-icon-theme_0.27.tar.gz | 15:34 |
| Keybuk | ooh @ epiphany announcement | 16:14 |
| pitti | seb128: so which package should I assign bug 209488 to? the stack trace just has libgtkish things, and the topmost function calls xembed_set_info() with a NULL argument | 16:18 |
| ubotu | Launchpad bug 209488 in jockey "jockey-gtk crashed with SIGSEGV in XChangeProperty()" [Medium,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/209488 | 16:18 |
| seb128 | Keybuk: april 1 joke ;-) | 16:19 |
| Keybuk | seb128: really? that's a shame | 16:19 |
| Keybuk | since it was a good announcement | 16:19 |
| seb128 | yes | 16:20 |
| seb128 | pitti: bah, I hate those bugs, they are useless, reassign this one to gtk I guess | 16:20 |
| seb128 | pitti: those are things which happen once to one guy and where the stacktrace is of no real use | 16:20 |
| seb128 | I'm wondering if we should close those :-p | 16:20 |
| pitti | seb128: what I usually do is to reassing them to the correct package, set it to needsinfo, ask whether it's reproducible, and just let them time out :) | 16:20 |
| seb128 | right, I tend to do that | 16:21 |
| seb128 | or ask for a valgrind log | 16:21 |
| pitti | seb128: well, this time the stack trace does look useful, the NULL pointer is quite obfious | 16:21 |
| pitti | obvious | 16:21 |
| seb128 | right | 16:21 |
| pitti | I'll forward it upstream, let's see what happens | 16:21 |
| seb128 | thanks | 16:21 |
| Keybuk | seb128: why *aren't* they planning to target webkit fully with epiphany? | 16:23 |
| seb128 | well, there is some tractions in this direction, but that doesn't mean they want to drop xulrunner support now | 16:25 |
| seb128 | the "main packages can't have universe build-deps to build universe binary" thing really sucks | 16:26 |
| bhale | yeah I used to run into a lot of trouble with that | 16:28 |
| bhale | seb128: is daniel still alive? | 16:29 |
| seb128 | bhale: dholbach you mean? yes, he was there some hours ago | 16:32 |
| seb128 | Keybuk: in fact reading the mail now it might not be an april 1 joke ;-) I though from the comments on the irc channel | 17:09 |
| Keybuk | the epi guys *have* been saying they were planning some changes for a while | 17:10 |
| Keybuk | and that there would be an announcement in due course | 17:10 |
| seb128 | indeed | 17:11 |
| Keybuk | seb128: uws claims it's not a joke | 17:36 |
| Keybuk | (if you didn't see that) | 17:36 |
| seb128 | kwwii: the human-icon-theme tarball on your website seems to be corrupted | 18:28 |
| seb128 | Keybuk: right | 18:28 |
| Keybuk | do you know what I want | 18:31 |
| Keybuk | I want a program that I can run on all my machines | 18:31 |
| Keybuk | and share URLs | 18:31 |
| Keybuk | so on here, I can highlight one, and it's announced via Avahi | 18:31 |
| Keybuk | then I can pick it up on another | 18:31 |
| Keybuk | wouldn't that be great? | 18:31 |
| seb128 | you can do that using pidgin and the bonjour account thing | 18:34 |
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| tedg | mDNS clipboard? | 18:42 |
| kwwii | seb128: hrm, no idea why...I will make another one and post it in a bit | 18:42 |
| kwwii | seb128: I just installed the deb and it does fix the problem | 18:43 |
| kwwii | seb128: gotta pick up my son from basketball practice first though | 18:43 |
| kwwii | tedg: teh screensaver stuff is done, btw | 18:43 |
| seb128 | kwwii: the tar.gz is broken, didn't try the deb | 18:43 |
| seb128 | it doesn't untar | 18:43 |
| kwwii | seb128: ok, I will take care of it when I get back, sorry for the trouble | 18:43 |
| seb128 | that's alright | 18:43 |
| seb128 | jsut upload it again when you can | 18:43 |
| tedg | kwwii: Cool, thanks. | 18:44 |
| seb128 | tedg: any news about moving the wnck tooltip to the context menu? that becomes urgent | 18:44 |
| seb128 | we need some testing there | 18:44 |
| seb128 | and gnome-panel is crash land for users at the moment because the tooltip code is borked | 18:44 |
| tedg | seb128: No news per se, I'm still playing with the keybindings through libbonoboui -- seems it was designed for dynamic keybindings :( | 18:46 |
| tedg | seb128: It's sad how much a PITA this stupid patch has turned into. | 18:46 |
| seb128 | Keybuk: is dropping this patch an option? | 18:46 |
| Keybuk | seb128: everything is an option | 18:48 |
| seb128 | Keybuk: you got the question ;-) | 18:49 |
| Keybuk | seb128: what do you think we should do? | 18:49 |
| seb128 | well, I'm not managing the ressources in this team | 18:49 |
| seb128 | I'm too busy to fix the thing | 18:50 |
| seb128 | MacSlow seems to have other things to do | 18:50 |
| seb128 | and ted is working on moving that to a context menu but that seems to be hard to do | 18:50 |
| Keybuk | no, but since you're on the front lines - your opinion of things is very important to me | 18:50 |
| seb128 | we are past freezes, etc | 18:50 |
| Keybuk | it sounds like the patch is causing bugs? | 18:50 |
| seb128 | I would just drop the buggy thing and fix it next cycle | 18:50 |
| Keybuk | that does not sound unreasonable to me | 18:51 |
| seb128 | yes | 18:51 |
| seb128 | sec | 18:51 |
| pochu | bug 207693 ? | 18:51 |
| seb128 | bug #207693 | 18:51 |
| ubotu | Launchpad bug 207693 in libwnck "gnome-panel crashed with SIGSEGV" [High,Triaged] https://launchpad.net/bugs/207693 | 18:51 |
| tedg | Keybuk: I agree with seb128, I've already spent roughly 3 days on the patch, and I'm not sure that there isn't another 3 in it. I don't think it's worth that much time. | 18:51 |
| Keybuk | it's always unfortunate to do, but as long as we discuss it in Prague and figure out what a better approach would be, we will not have wasted anything | 18:51 |
| Keybuk | since learning problems is a great use of time | 18:51 |
| seb128 | Keybuk: that's one of the top crashers in hardy | 18:52 |
| seb128 | Keybuk: right, that would work for me | 18:52 |
| Keybuk | ok, then you have my blessing :-) | 18:52 |
| seb128 | good, thanks | 18:52 |
| tedg | Okay, I'll push the libbonoboui and libwnck patches I already have upstream, so then it should be easier (and more reasonable) for intrepid. | 18:54 |
| slomo | pochu: the midi bug is wrong error reporting in the midi plugin, would be nice if you could file an upstream bug for this so i don't forget to look into it | 19:30 |
| pochu | slomo: right, do you need any further info or just "it's b0rked" ? :) | 19:31 |
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| slomo | pochu: well, how one can reproduce, the symptoms and that i believe it's caused by wrong error reporting ;) | 19:32 |
| pochu | alright | 19:33 |
| crevette | asac: around ? | 19:34 |
| pochu | slomo: btw, can you reproduce midi plugins? they are reproduced by totem here, but I hear no sound... | 19:37 |
| slomo | pochu: you mean if i can listen to midi files? yes | 19:37 |
| slomo | do you have freepats installed? | 19:37 |
| pochu | slomo: woops, I don't | 19:39 |
| pochu | that was because of the config, right? | 19:39 |
| pochu | wow, freepats is 29MB | 19:39 |
| slomo | pochu: wildmidi recommends freepats... so: install recommends :P | 19:42 |
| kwwii | seb128: I just re-uploaded the icon theme stuff | 19:44 |
| pochu | slomo: do I CC you in the bug report? | 19:44 |
| slomo | pochu: please | 19:45 |
| pochu | slomo: http://bugzilla.gnome.org/show_bug.cgi?id=525613 | 19:46 |
| pochu | slomo: hmm, plugins-bad depends on libwildmidi0, which recommends freepats... | 19:46 |
| slomo | yes | 19:46 |
| pochu | so I wonder why I didn't have freepats installed, since aptitude installs recommends by default | 19:47 |
| slomo | no idea :) | 19:47 |
| seb128 | kwwii: ok | 19:51 |
| asac | crevette: in a few minutes, yes. | 19:57 |
| crevette | asac: no problemo | 19:57 |
| gicmo | la la la | 20:16 |
| crevette | asac: I did the patch to have nm-applet with GNOME icons set | 20:18 |
| andreasn | crevette: is that ubuntu specific or gnome upstream? | 20:18 |
| tedg | Where is libbonoboui's bug tracker? | 20:18 |
| crevette | andreasn: ubuntu | 20:19 |
| andreasn | what icons does that affect? | 20:19 |
| tedg | NM, found it. | 20:20 |
| crevette | connection animation | 20:20 |
| crevette | signal | 20:20 |
| asac | why can't we make them themable? | 20:21 |
| andreasn | ah, so the picking up of wired network icon and encryption and stuff from the theme is correct upstream behavior? | 20:22 |
| andreasn | we was discussing it yesterday and there was some confusion what was upstream specific and what was ubuntu specific | 20:23 |
| crevette | perhaps I didn't get the question | 20:23 |
| andreasn | I should try to get hardy running on a separate disk | 20:24 |
| crevette | I just took the icons jimmac sent me 6 months ago, and I put them in the ubuntu package to remplace those shipped | 20:24 |
| andreasn | crevette: lobby to get those upstream! | 20:24 |
| andreasn | there is a bug open about it | 20:25 |
| andreasn | but dan is a bit resistant | 20:25 |
| crevette | andreasn: I've open it :) | 20:25 |
| crevette | my mindset is never to lobby | 20:25 |
| andreasn | ah, of course | 20:26 |
| crevette | not enough time to praise someone | 20:26 |
| crevette | I did sent mails and tried to explain (perhaps not clearly enough) | 20:26 |
| andreasn | I didn't get the bugzilla name - irc name connection | 20:26 |
| crevette | :) | 20:26 |
| andreasn | oh, that's what I meant by lobby basically | 20:26 |
| crevette | Baptiste Mille-Mathias | 20:26 |
| crevette | :) | 20:26 |
| andreasn | lobby = comment on the bug | 20:26 |
| andreasn | and you did that already | 20:26 |
| crevette | yep | 20:27 |
| andreasn | I totally owe you a beer for that | 20:27 |
| crevette | I'm rather alcohol free person, but I'm okay for a coke | 20:27 |
| crevette | :) | 20:27 |
| crevette | I'm sure monreal is the guy for that kind of job | 20:28 |
| crevette | :) | 20:28 |
| crevette | I've seen him on irc arguying to have beautiful icons | 20:28 |
| crevette | :) | 20:28 |
| falken_ | has anyone else set up their wifi on a laptop? | 20:30 |
| crevette | andreasn: something cool would be the strengh signal color is taken from GTK colors :) | 20:31 |
| andreasn | crevette: perhaps I can buy you dinner | 20:31 |
| crevette | andreasn: :) | 20:31 |
| crevette | not until the icons are commited | 20:31 |
| crevette | :) | 20:31 |
| andreasn | yeah, yeah... :) | 20:31 |
| crevette | andreasn: do you think I can cc jimmac on this bug | 20:37 |
| andreasn | yes | 20:37 |
| andreasn | isn't he cc:ed already? | 20:37 |
| crevette | as he was the artist who did the icons | 20:37 |
| crevette | no | 20:37 |
| crevette | jimmac [@] novell ? | 20:37 |
| andreasn | let me check | 20:38 |
| crevette | yeah | 20:39 |
| crevette | it is that | 20:39 |
| andreasn | jimmac at ximian dot com ? | 20:39 |
| crevette | okay | 20:40 |
| andreasn | http://bugzilla.gnome.org/describeuser.cgi?login=jimmac%40ximian.com | 20:40 |
| seb128 | asac: around? | 21:02 |
| asac | yeah | 21:02 |
| crevette | asac: ah you're back | 21:03 |
| asac | kwwii: the Human icon theme lacks a refresh icon in 48x48 size (dialog) | 21:03 |
| asac | midbrowser looks funny that way :) | 21:03 |
| asac | crevette: seb128: what can i do? | 21:03 |
| asac | kwwii: do you want a bug about that? | 21:04 |
| seb128 | asac: I got epiphany hanging after opening the first instance after booting, that was a bugzilla url and I closed it before the page content was loaded | 21:04 |
| seb128 | asac: not sure if that's useful for the hang bug context | 21:04 |
| asac | seb128: i saw some memory issues in the package i couldn't see in the upstream package. can you try to a pristine epiphany build? | 21:05 |
| asac | i think it should just build out of the box. | 21:05 |
| seb128 | upstream svn or tarball? | 21:05 |
| asac | you will see a few regressions in the dialog box i guess. | 21:05 |
| crevette | asac: I did the packaging of nm-applet to have GNOME icons | 21:05 |
| asac | seb128: use svn. no idea how up to date the tarballs are | 21:05 |
| seb128 | ok | 21:05 |
| asac | seb128: build with --with-engine=mozilla --with-gecko=libxul-embedding | 21:06 |
| seb128 | asac: ok, will try | 21:06 |
| asac | crevette: ah right. did you answer my question about the themability? | 21:06 |
| crevette | asac: how can I provide it to you ? | 21:06 |
| * asac scrolling back | 21:06 | |
| crevette | asac: no | 21:06 |
| crevette | asac: I don't know | 21:06 |
| crevette | the icons are put under hicolor, so any themes providing the icons should supersed them | 21:07 |
| crevette | from what I understand | 21:07 |
| asac | easiest is just pushing a bzr branch and requesting a merge ;) | 21:07 |
| crevette | hu ... | 21:07 |
| crevette | how should I do that | 21:07 |
| asac | otherwise a reasonable patch | 21:07 |
| crevette | a debdiff ? | 21:07 |
| asac | i think bzr would be much easier if its new binary files :) | 21:08 |
| crevette | asac: I uuencoede them | 21:08 |
| crevette | that's why it took so long | 21:08 |
| crevette | :) | 21:08 |
| crevette | I never touch uuencode before | 21:08 |
| crevette | touched | 21:08 |
| asac | crevette: do you have multiple .uu files in debian/ dir? or just one? | 21:10 |
| crevette | multiple | 21:10 |
| crevette | I didn't figure out out do with only one | 21:10 |
| asac | in a subdir of debian/ ? | 21:10 |
| crevette | debian. | 21:10 |
| crevette | yep | 21:10 |
| asac | well... you can give me a tarball with the .uu files only and give me a debdiff for the rest | 21:10 |
| asac | at best as a bug | 21:11 |
| asac | well at best as a bzr branch :) | 21:11 |
| crevette | asac: http://bmm80.free.fr/Debian/nm-applet/nm-applet.debdiff | 21:13 |
| asac | crevette: i'd really appreciate if you'd encapsulate those icons in a subdir of debian/ .. at least | 21:15 |
| asac | crevette: eh sorry. you already do that | 21:15 |
| crevette | :) | 21:15 |
| asac | i think its ok that way. | 21:15 |
| crevette | asac: if something is not okay don't hesitate | 21:16 |
| asac | ill look | 21:17 |
| asac | can you make a bug out of that? | 21:17 |
| crevette | yep, of course | 21:18 |
| asac | cool | 21:18 |
| kwwii | asac: where is a 48x48 refresh icon used? | 21:18 |
| kwwii | unfortunately we do not have an svg of that icon so I will have to redraw all of them | 21:20 |
| asac | kwwii: damn ;) | 21:20 |
| asac | there is no scalable one either, right | 21:20 |
| asac | kwwii: its used in midbrowser | 21:20 |
| asac | not the most important usecase, but since i develop in under plain hardy I was curious why the icon was so small :) | 21:21 |
| kwwii | hrm, I guess making a bug for it would be the best for now | 21:21 |
| asac | kwwii: well, if you are aware of and there is nothing you can do, there is no point imo | 21:22 |
| asac | i guess in case you really redo it, we will get it automatically | 21:22 |
| kwwii | good point | 21:22 |
| asac | maybe i can find another theme that has a scalable refresh ;) | 21:22 |
| kwwii | the gnome theme should have it | 21:22 |
| asac | is that the ugly one? | 21:22 |
| asac | :) | 21:22 |
| asac | yau ... gnome-appearence dialog crashes | 21:23 |
| asac | all themes are somehow greyed out with a question mark, but i can change them | 21:23 |
| crevette | asac: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/network-manager-applet/+bug/210449 | 21:24 |
| ubotu | Launchpad bug 210449 in network-manager-applet "GNOME icons for nm-applet" [Undecided,New] | 21:24 |
| vuntz | tedg: ping? | 21:38 |
| tedg | vuntz: Pong. | 21:38 |
| vuntz | tedg: tell me more about you want to do with the pager | 21:38 |
| tedg | Well, what I was doing (got canceled this morning) was the right click menu for the WM actions. | 21:39 |
| tedg | So I wanted to make them sensitive to where you were in the pager. | 21:39 |
| tedg | So to do that I needed to determine "if left" or "if right" were available. | 21:39 |
| vuntz | ok, I see | 21:39 |
| vuntz | hrm, the thing is that all the high-level widgets in libwnck are more or less independent of all the low-level wnck stuff | 21:40 |
| vuntz | and I think it's a good thing | 21:40 |
| tedg | I don't disagree, but the problem comes when trying to connect all of the bonobo stuff on down. I don't think you want a libbonoboui dependency for libwnck. | 21:41 |
| kwwii | asac: actually, for mid you will see these problems again and again with the human theme because we only have a handfull of svg's - all the more reason to make a new theme which is totally svg ;-) | 21:42 |
| vuntz | tedg: yep, but the three function calls seem the best trade-off to me. If you really need to do it often, it's easy to write an helper function. | 21:42 |
| vuntz | even if it's to get something that lives in the internal pager structure | 21:43 |
| tedg | kwwii: I thought there were AI files for them, were you unable to get those? | 21:43 |
| vuntz | I guess I'll wait for feedback from elijah or hp | 21:43 |
| seb128_ | kwwii: human-icon-theme update uploaded | 21:43 |
| tedg | vuntz: Okay, well it came down to a few functions really. | 21:43 |
| kwwii | tedg: nope, we did not get the AI files afaik | 21:44 |
| kwwii | seb128_: great, thanks :-) | 21:44 |
| tedg | vuntz: There was wm_can_go(dir), wm_do_go(dir), and then probably a wm_get_keybinding(dir) | 21:44 |
| tedg | vuntz: And, while I'm making requests... I think it would make sense for an "advanced functionality" type function. For things like scale and expo that metacity and others are like to implement in the future. | 21:45 |
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| tedg | vuntz: But, in reality, I have most of the code already, it's just in a gnome-panel patch. I could move it. | 21:46 |
| seb128 | untz untz untz! | 21:47 |
| vuntz | tedg: not quite sure how you'd integrate "scale" and "expo" in libwnck | 21:51 |
| vuntz | unless it's standardized, in which case it'd be easy | 21:51 |
| seb128 | hey vuntz ;-) | 21:51 |
| crevette | VUNTZ !!!!!! | 21:51 |
| crevette | VUNTZ !!!!!! | 21:51 |
| vuntz | seb128: I'm only here to spy on you, you know this ;-) | 21:52 |
| tedg | vuntz: I'm thinking "wm_has_capability(SHOW_ALL_WINDOWS)" or "wm_has_capability(SHOW_ALL_WORKSPACES)" | 21:52 |
| * seb128 hugs vuntz | 21:52 | |
| seb128 | vuntz: I've noticed, making summaries about ubuntu nice ideas on the novell wiki for example | 21:53 |
| vuntz | tedg: not going to happen if things are not in the ewmh spec | 21:54 |
| tedg | vuntz: "wm_has_capability_beyond_ewmh(...)"? :) | 21:56 |
| tedg | vuntz: It does make sense that there should be a way to expose such functionality of the WM though. | 21:57 |
| vuntz | tedg: if you assume SHOW_ALL_WINDOWS and SHOW_ALL_WORKSPACES work on two WM, then the right thing to do is to add them as optional features of the EWMH | 21:58 |
| vuntz | not to have them implemented in two different ways in the two WMs | 21:58 |
| vuntz | (or some compositor spec that would extend the ewmh) | 21:59 |
| tedg | Do you really think I want to put my name on a spec with anything compiz related? ;) | 21:59 |
| vuntz | heh | 21:59 |
| crevette | ah | 22:20 |
| crevette | the translation of bluez has been updated | 22:20 |
| crevette | the french one was awful | 22:20 |
| seb128 | crevette: it was made by you? ;-) | 22:28 |
| crevette | seb128: yep | 22:30 |
| crevette | of course | 22:30 |
| crevette | :) | 22:30 |
| crevette | the one that made me crazy for weeks was the 1|un in the notification bubble of evo | 22:30 |
| seb128 | ah, I don't use the bubble | 22:31 |
| seb128 | I get too many mails for that | 22:31 |
| crevette | yeah :) | 22:31 |
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