=== onestone_ is now known as onestone === LjL-Temp is now known as LjL [01:29] asac: does https://bugs.edge.launchpad.net/@@/bug-status-expand loads for you from firefox3? It doesn't here, though works with ephy [02:00] asac: clearing the cache fixed it [06:57] So it looks like the gvfs issue has mostly been resolved. Was it fixed, scrapped, or worked-around somehow? [07:03] fixed, mostly [07:04] just needed a bit of polish, the framework and features were there [07:04] well, a lot of polish, people worked their ass off on it [07:05] It certainly appears that way. [07:05] I'm impressed. [07:05] Hardy is looking rather nice right now. [07:05] I'm upgrading my laptop right now. [07:05] it went from "we're boned" to "wow this stuff works" in about a month [07:05] The only annoyance is the flash and ia32 issues. [07:06] Yeah, I remember last we spoke you seemed rather jaded. [07:07] I usually switch to the latest version shortly before it releases to help with testing. [07:07] System76 hates it though, because I'll actually bother poor Tom Aaron over there with my questions. [07:07] He's a champ though. [07:07] haha [07:08] I've never had such good support as what I get with System76. [07:08] I wish they had a small business support contract. I'd sign it with them in a heartbeat. Tom Aaron has personally pulled my rear out of the blaze several times. [07:09] If only all folks provided after-sale support as well. [07:10] Amaranth: Do you use gedit for hacking? [07:10] yep [07:10] gedit and vim [07:10] Do you know if they have an subversion plugins? [07:10] no idea, i don't use it like that [07:11] Emacs has excellent subversion support... I kinda miss that in gedit. [07:11] And do you know if gedit has repeatable macros? [07:12] I don't do anything like that either [07:12] I like the vfs capabilities--helps keep me using the same editor regardless of which client I'm working on--but some functionality like that is just sorely missed. [07:54] good morning [08:52] hey seb128, MacSlow [08:53] hello mvo [08:53] seb128: I didn't manage the sponsoring last night, I will do it this morning [08:53] morning mvo, seb128 [08:53] mvo: that's alright, no hurry [09:02] mvo: while you are at it, you might want to apply the change on bug #175904 [09:03] pitti seems to be on the opinion that using tabs is nicer too [09:03] I think firefox is broken but I'm not using it so I don't really care [09:03] you guys decide whatever you want for it ;-) [09:05] seb128: do you know what happened to the glib 2.16.2 tarball? :) [09:05] slomo: what do you mean? [09:05] it's on download.gnome.org [09:06] seb128: i only get 404 :) can you download it? [09:06] oh, no, it's not [09:06] no, no idea [09:06] ok :) [09:16] morning everyone [09:16] o/ crevette [09:16] salut [09:16] seb128: hello :) [09:17] lut crevette huats [09:17] mvo: read what I wrote before? [09:17] seb128: ok, so what exactly was needed for getting new swfdec stuff into hardy? :) [09:17] slomo: somebody doing the work, I'm overworked [09:18] seb128: just testing if it works, adjust for xulrunner1.9 and upload/request syncs? [09:18] which means feature freeze exception bugs with rather, doing the update and the transition if there is a need to rebuild other things due to the versionning change [09:18] right [09:19] FFe shouldn't be needed because swfdec-gnome is part of gnome and the other two parts, swfdec0.6/swfdec-mozilla, are needed [09:23] seb128: also, no rdeps except swfdec-{gnome,mozilla} [09:25] slomo: not sure, swfdec-gnome is part of GNOME but swfdec is not [09:25] if next gedit was depending on xorg current git we would not update xorg ;-) [09:26] right, that argument is not good :) [09:26] let's ask pitti :) [09:26] just ask to slangasek if that's ok [09:26] he's around [09:26] ok [09:31] slomo: ah right, that's universe [09:32] just upload then [09:32] motu rules are too complicated nowadays ;-) [09:33] ah, there is a sponsoring request as dholbach pointed on the other channel [09:33] yes [09:34] seb128: so, you sync swfdec0.6 and swfdec-gnome, i'll sponsor swfdec-mozilla... sounds good? :) === asac_ is now known as asac [09:35] alright, let's do that ;-) [09:37] seb128: i guess swfdec-gnome wants the Xb-Npp-Applications/Xb-Npp-MimeType stuff too? how does this work? ;) [09:37] ask asac [09:37] asac: ^--- [09:45] slomo: what do you want to know? a good start would be to copy the lines from gnash and modify the -Name field [09:46] slomo: swfdec-gnome? isn't the plugin package called swfdec-mozilla? [10:03] lool: btw about the glib upload, did you commit your changes to debian? [10:03] lool: might be rather a desktop chan thing ;-) [10:03] lool: because the changelog entry items are not in the debian upload [10:04] seb128: http://paste.debian.net/52287 this is Debian SVN [10:05] This is Ubuntu hardy http://paste.debian.net/52288 [10:05] Hmm weird choice of version in hardy from me indeed; should have been -3~hardy1 [10:05] lool: right, what confused me is that debian got a -2 which has none of those ubuntu changes [10:06] lool: so I though you didn't commit your local -2 [10:06] seb128: I should have used -3~hardy1; or -2+hardy1 [10:06] Everything is committed AFAICS [10:06] right, makes sense now [10:06] I was just wondering why the official -2 had none of your -2 snapshot changes [10:07] anyway no big deal ;-) [10:07] pitti: stop reassigning random apport bugs to gtk only because they crash in a gtk function ;-) [10:08] or glib2.0 rather === bheekling is now known as Nirbheek === Nirbheek is now known as bheekling [10:27] good morning [10:30] asac: so the Npp stuff is for mozilla only? [10:30] hey coNP[uni] [10:30] hey seb128 [10:31] slomo: for gecko plugins, right. [10:31] ok, then swfdec-gnome doesn't need it :) [10:31] thanks [10:31] slomo: will you take care that its upgraded? [10:32] i think there is a sponsoring request for swfdec [10:32] asac: yes, seb will sync swfdec0.6 and swfdec-gnome [10:32] asac: and i'll care for sponsoring swfdec-mozill [10:32] right [10:32] ok great ... please remember to include those headers in the mozilla part. [10:33] asac: what do you mean? [10:33] Xb-Npp :) [10:33] ah [10:33] sure [10:33] :) [10:36] seb128: so, please sync swfdec0.6 (and accept things from NEW) and swfdec-gnome :) [10:43] slomo: ok [10:44] Hmm poppler 0.8 [10:45] lool: I'm looking at it, but it has quite some changes [10:45] fc already has it though [10:46] We didn't track 0.7.x series [10:49] no we didn't [10:53] what's new in 0.8? [10:54] hi [10:54] except the annotations support... which won't be useful without evince supporting it [10:56] seb128: http://people.freedesktop.org/~lapo/misc%20stuff/application-x-cd-image.tar.bz2 [10:57] lapo: ah, thanks! [10:57] np [10:57] slomo: It seems to me stability fixes have been pushed to 0.8 and might not be pushed to 0.6 as often [10:58] sonames changed [10:58] Even the glib one? [10:59] yes [10:59] api changes too? [10:59] The glib lib was supposed to be quite stable [11:00] " * Change glib public api to have a correct naming" [11:00] yay === asac_ is now known as asac [11:09] asac, seb128: swfdec-mozilla uploaded, will go to dep-wait of course ;) [11:11] * asac hugs slomo [11:12] frequently requested and constantly out of love :) [11:12] you definitly made some people happy [11:12] asac: do we have gnash by default btw? is gnash better in your oppinion? :) [11:13] slomo: no ... we don't have a default because we lack a way to educate users about existing alternatives [11:14] i have no strong opinion about gnash vs. swfdec. swfdec 0.6 was definitly ahead of our gutsy gnash, but i would say that hardy gnash is again ahead [11:14] but hard to measure [11:14] the swfdec upstream will be at uds btw [11:14] company? [11:15] yes [11:15] good [11:15] i know him from university ;) ... but long time ago [11:15] and met him in seville [11:16] he definitly does great work given that he mostly develops everything on his own [11:16] indeed [11:19] slomo: ask me what? [11:20] seb128: assign bugs> ok; where should I assign it to instead? [11:20] seb128: pygtk? [11:20] pitti: already solved :) [11:20] great [11:20] pitti: well, those might as well be apport bugs, we don't have enough informations to know [11:21] pitti: I've asked for valgrind logs, one seems to a librsvg issue [11:23] pitti: could you have a look on the trivial patch on http://bugzilla.gnome.org/show_bug.cgi?id=523884 and tell me if you think it's correct? [11:23] Gnome bug 523884 in programs ""Eject" should eject the CD-ROM drive tray" [Normal,New] [11:33] Amaranth, mvo, pitti: any idea what should be changed to fix https://bugs.edge.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/gnome-control-center/+bug/206259? [11:33] Launchpad bug 206259 in gnome-control-center "gnome-appearance-properties won't start Compiz" [Medium,New] [11:34] seb128: re 523884, what is the bug? "eject" option works fine in computer:/// and on desktop for me [11:34] ah, with no media, I see [11:35] seb128: IMHO the patch looks correct for what you intend to do; I'm not 100% sure whether gnome-mount is meant to behave that way [11:35] but *shrug*, -e without a media doesn't have any other sensible behaviour, so why not [11:36] seb128: IMHO, 260259 is a dup of bug 207957 [11:36] Launchpad bug 207957 in jockey "Driver manager tries to install unneeded FGLRX driver for Compiz" [High,In progress] https://launchpad.net/bugs/207957 [11:37] shall I mark it as such? [11:37] i. e. I need to teach jockey to not install fglrx with --check-composite if ati is used [11:37] there is a trivial, but conceptually wrong solution (mark fglrx as not being composite-capable) [11:38] or, if I find the time, implement a concept and list of 'current' driver (more work, maybe not hardy) [11:38] but in all cases I'll fix it RSN [11:38] pitti: yes please mark it dup if that's the same issue [11:38] * seb128 hugs pitti [11:39] pitti: I'll upload the gnome-mount change, it should not break anything anyway [11:39] done [11:39] * pitti hugs seb128, merci [11:46] seb128: swfdec0.6 on binary NEW everywhere except hppa which seems to have a filled build queue ;) [11:49] hi there [11:49] can I have some attention to wish bug #210133 [11:49] Launchpad bug 210133 in nautilus "[Intrepid Ibex][wishbug] separate icon view zoom for desktop and nautilus" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/210133 [11:49] ?? [11:49] thanks [11:52] BUGabundo: that's not trivial to fix, require UI changes and there is thousand bugs open, I don't think this one will be worked any time soon [11:53] BUGabundo: and that's likely a duplicate too [11:53] didn't kwon === onestone_ is now known as onestone [11:54] filed it yesterday via email [11:54] so no way to check for dupes [11:54] still, seb128, its just a wishbug [11:54] for hardy+1 or the near future [11:56] you should really check for duplicates before filling bugs [11:56] it takes you a few minutes to do that [11:57] but it takes us days to do that for the hundred of duplicates sent [11:57] not when you are offline [11:57] and those are hours not spend on fixing issues [11:57] and just using email to post to mallone [11:57] I would argue that if you are offline you should not send bugs [11:57] I'll have a look at it now [11:57] and mark it as dup, if I find the original [11:57] thanks [11:58] I shouldn't fill bugs while offline?? [11:58] about the feature I doubt it'll be implemented any time soon [11:58] come on... you must be kiding with me [11:58] you should file bugs without checking for duplicates no [11:58] it must be aprils fool day [11:58] s/should/shouldn't [11:58] that's a question for kiko [11:58] what has kiko to do with that? [11:59] I asked for a way to get a reply from malone against dups [11:59] I'm just saying that we spend way too much time triaging duplicates for people who don't bother doing so [11:59] LP DEV teams says it thoesnt exist [11:59] so I have to wait for it [11:59] it's not that hard to look if there is a bug already open matching the issue you are having [11:59] I know that devs and bug-triage teams spent lots of time with this [12:00] as said it takes you a few minutes [12:00] and it takes hours to do that for hundred of people who don't care [12:00] that Why when I report a bug via LP I always search for dups [12:00] but I also do lots of work offline [12:00] well, obviously you didn't there [12:00] and sent emails from there [12:00] well you can't send mails offline [12:00] When I go online, If I have the time I search for dups for those [12:01] yes you can... they just are kept on the postfix queue [12:01] brb [12:01] need to setup a printer [12:03] BUGabundo: also don't specify ubuntu versions nor tag or settings in the title [12:03] BUGabundo: the bug has settings and a description for a reason [12:17] back [12:17] sorry for that [12:17] didn't know of a better way [12:17] can't find a dup for it [12:17] sorry for the extra work [12:17] as far as I can search [12:17] this is the single one with the keywords icon zoom [12:21] the bug might have been closed as wontfix [12:21] I've read several times about the topic during the years [12:21] anyway lunch now [12:34] yep, me too, [12:34] seb128: you want to sync gst-plugins-bad0.10 0.10.6-7 later :) fixes potentional license issues caused by linking openssl via a gstreamer plugin [12:34] good lunch seb128 [12:37] seb128: still with advance search, and every option selected I can't find a similar bug. will see this after lunch [12:39] slomo: ok [12:39] BUGabundo: ok, don't spend too much effort on it, that's an upstream wishlist anyway [12:39] yep [13:17] slomo: woops, there's no libneon28-dev in hardy [13:17] pochu: hm? it build depends on libneon27-gnutls-dev [13:17] from neon 27 to 28 the soname didn't change [13:18] the patch only makes configure happy with neon >= 0.27.99 [13:18] ah, right [13:18] sorry :) [13:18] slomo: that's one of the consequences of not having a pkg-gstreamer-commits mailing list :p [13:19] [ can I have one? ] [13:19] i'm lazy [13:19] how can i create one? :) [13:19] hmm, no idea TBH, I guess asking on #alioth on OFTC :) [13:19] lool: ^ [13:19] i know how to create a list but that doesn't get us the commits there ;) [13:31] moin all [13:31] hi fernando [13:54] slomo, pochu: sure, that's very useful in my experience, we should have one === fernando_ is now known as fernando [14:28] seb128: did the screensaver stuff make it into a package yet? [14:28] kwwii: doh, I forgot about that, no [14:29] kwwii: btw there is some issues with your icon theme update [14:29] kwwii: try to unmount an usb key and look to the computer location [14:29] seb128: ouch, what is that? [14:29] itt's using a tiny icon [14:29] hrm, that is freaky [14:30] could be that this icon has no scalable nor 48x48 versions? [14:30] seb128: here is works witha usb key but is small with a sd card [14:31] the 48x48 should be there, let me check this out again [14:34] seb128: are you sure it was with a usb key or was it a flash card of some type? [14:37] Heh did you people see epiphany drops support for gecko? [14:37] :) [14:38] bah, april 1 sucks [14:38] Nah [14:38] It's fun, let's release! [14:40] seb128: do you have a bug number for that? I can only reproduce the flash card stuff on my system [14:40] kwwii: I'm looking for the icon used a sec [14:42] kwwii: found it [14:42] kwwii: /usr/share/icons/Human/16x16/devices/drive-removable-media-usb.png [14:43] kwwii: there is a /usr/share/icons/Human/48x48/devices/drive-removable-media-usb, not the naming issue [14:44] kwwii: renaming the 48x48 one fixes the issue [14:45] lol [14:45] kwwii: typos in the .links [14:45] well, I also found that the flash link is missing at the larger sizes [14:45] seb128: I will fix both of those [14:45] thanks [14:46] you are welcome [14:46] thank you for fixing those [14:47] kwwii: the 24x24 has a similar typo too [14:47] seb128: about the screensaver stuff, I was looking into putting the svg and .desktop file into human-theme and then setting the gconf key in ubuntu-artwork, does that sound right? [14:47] yes, that would be alright [14:47] are you working with mvo on those changes? [14:47] or that was something different? [14:50] seb128: I will sponsors kwwii changes, but I haven't discussed screensaver stuff with him (no idea about this) [14:51] mvo: that's basically install the .desktop and the svg [14:51] * mvo nods [14:51] seb128: do we still use gnomevfs to figure applications by mime-type somewhere? [14:51] mvo: and adding the gconf-defaults [14:51] * asac thinks its now gio [14:51] ? [14:51] asac: yes, lot of things have not been ported to gio and gvfs yet [14:52] seb128: is there a command line tool i can use to query by mime-type? [14:52] to test? [14:52] seb128: I was working with mvo on the ubuntulooks stuff but I might as well add the screensaver while I am touching those packages [14:53] kwwii: ah, before i forget. someone pointed out that in /usr/share/doc/tangerine-icon-theme/copyright it reads "The Human Icon Theme is licensed under the ..." :) [14:53] kwwii: yes, I've read your mail, the gconf-default change seems to be already and installing the svg and desktop is only a matter of copying those in the source and changing the .install, it's trivial enough to do for mvo I think ;-) [14:54] seb128: so I do not need to add the gconf setting in ubuntu-artwork? [14:55] doh, can't type today [14:55] s/already/alright [14:56] you need it, just add the line to the human-theme one [14:56] lol [14:56] right === crevette_ is now known as crevette [15:18] * Hobbsee is liking this whole "only one lot of wait" thing for her computer booting, now [15:34] seb128: updated human-icon-theme source package here: [15:34] http://sinecera.de/human-icon-theme_0.27.dsc [15:34] http://sinecera.de/human-icon-theme_0.27_source.build [15:34] http://sinecera.de/human-icon-theme_0.27_source.changes [15:34] http://sinecera.de/human-icon-theme_0.27.tar.gz [16:14] ooh @ epiphany announcement [16:18] seb128: so which package should I assign bug 209488 to? the stack trace just has libgtkish things, and the topmost function calls xembed_set_info() with a NULL argument [16:18] Launchpad bug 209488 in jockey "jockey-gtk crashed with SIGSEGV in XChangeProperty()" [Medium,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/209488 [16:19] Keybuk: april 1 joke ;-) [16:19] seb128: really? that's a shame [16:19] since it was a good announcement [16:20] yes [16:20] pitti: bah, I hate those bugs, they are useless, reassign this one to gtk I guess [16:20] pitti: those are things which happen once to one guy and where the stacktrace is of no real use [16:20] I'm wondering if we should close those :-p [16:20] seb128: what I usually do is to reassing them to the correct package, set it to needsinfo, ask whether it's reproducible, and just let them time out :) [16:21] right, I tend to do that [16:21] or ask for a valgrind log [16:21] seb128: well, this time the stack trace does look useful, the NULL pointer is quite obfious [16:21] obvious [16:21] right [16:21] I'll forward it upstream, let's see what happens [16:21] thanks [16:23] seb128: why *aren't* they planning to target webkit fully with epiphany? [16:25] well, there is some tractions in this direction, but that doesn't mean they want to drop xulrunner support now [16:26] the "main packages can't have universe build-deps to build universe binary" thing really sucks [16:28] yeah I used to run into a lot of trouble with that [16:29] seb128: is daniel still alive? [16:32] bhale: dholbach you mean? yes, he was there some hours ago [17:09] Keybuk: in fact reading the mail now it might not be an april 1 joke ;-) I though from the comments on the irc channel [17:10] the epi guys *have* been saying they were planning some changes for a while [17:10] and that there would be an announcement in due course [17:11] indeed [17:36] seb128: uws claims it's not a joke [17:36] (if you didn't see that) [18:28] kwwii: the human-icon-theme tarball on your website seems to be corrupted [18:28] Keybuk: right [18:31] do you know what I want [18:31] I want a program that I can run on all my machines [18:31] and share URLs [18:31] so on here, I can highlight one, and it's announced via Avahi [18:31] then I can pick it up on another [18:31] wouldn't that be great? [18:34] you can do that using pidgin and the bonjour account thing === fta_ is now known as fta [18:42] mDNS clipboard? [18:42] seb128: hrm, no idea why...I will make another one and post it in a bit [18:43] seb128: I just installed the deb and it does fix the problem [18:43] seb128: gotta pick up my son from basketball practice first though [18:43] tedg: teh screensaver stuff is done, btw [18:43] kwwii: the tar.gz is broken, didn't try the deb [18:43] it doesn't untar [18:43] seb128: ok, I will take care of it when I get back, sorry for the trouble [18:43] that's alright [18:43] jsut upload it again when you can [18:44] kwwii: Cool, thanks. [18:44] tedg: any news about moving the wnck tooltip to the context menu? that becomes urgent [18:44] we need some testing there [18:44] and gnome-panel is crash land for users at the moment because the tooltip code is borked [18:46] seb128: No news per se, I'm still playing with the keybindings through libbonoboui -- seems it was designed for dynamic keybindings :( [18:46] seb128: It's sad how much a PITA this stupid patch has turned into. [18:46] Keybuk: is dropping this patch an option? [18:48] seb128: everything is an option [18:49] Keybuk: you got the question ;-) [18:49] seb128: what do you think we should do? [18:49] well, I'm not managing the ressources in this team [18:50] I'm too busy to fix the thing [18:50] MacSlow seems to have other things to do [18:50] and ted is working on moving that to a context menu but that seems to be hard to do [18:50] no, but since you're on the front lines - your opinion of things is very important to me [18:50] we are past freezes, etc [18:50] it sounds like the patch is causing bugs? [18:50] I would just drop the buggy thing and fix it next cycle [18:51] that does not sound unreasonable to me [18:51] yes [18:51] sec [18:51] bug 207693 ? [18:51] bug #207693 [18:51] Launchpad bug 207693 in libwnck "gnome-panel crashed with SIGSEGV" [High,Triaged] https://launchpad.net/bugs/207693 [18:51] Keybuk: I agree with seb128, I've already spent roughly 3 days on the patch, and I'm not sure that there isn't another 3 in it. I don't think it's worth that much time. [18:51] it's always unfortunate to do, but as long as we discuss it in Prague and figure out what a better approach would be, we will not have wasted anything [18:51] since learning problems is a great use of time [18:52] Keybuk: that's one of the top crashers in hardy [18:52] Keybuk: right, that would work for me [18:52] ok, then you have my blessing :-) [18:52] good, thanks [18:54] Okay, I'll push the libbonoboui and libwnck patches I already have upstream, so then it should be easier (and more reasonable) for intrepid. [19:30] pochu: the midi bug is wrong error reporting in the midi plugin, would be nice if you could file an upstream bug for this so i don't forget to look into it [19:31] slomo: right, do you need any further info or just "it's b0rked" ? :) === onestone_ is now known as onestone [19:32] pochu: well, how one can reproduce, the symptoms and that i believe it's caused by wrong error reporting ;) [19:33] alright [19:34] asac: around ? [19:37] slomo: btw, can you reproduce midi plugins? they are reproduced by totem here, but I hear no sound... [19:37] pochu: you mean if i can listen to midi files? yes [19:37] do you have freepats installed? [19:39]