[00:00] for example, in redhat after installing 3dm2 you simply run, service 3dm2 restart [00:00] or whatever [00:00] and when you init 0 or 6, the service is stopped [00:01] WheelsOnFire: is there a script named that in /etc/init.d/* ? [00:02] WheelsOnFire: RH's "server" command simply prepends "/etc/init.d/" onto the service you specify (3dm2) and passes it the action you specify (restart) [00:02] WheelsOnFire: not "server", but "service" command [00:02] yeah I get you [00:02] so in other words if they didn't give an init script I need to make one [00:03] WheelsOnFire: what format is the package you installed? [00:03] WheelsOnFire: a .deb ? a .rpm ? a tarball ? [00:03] =] [00:04] originally it's installed with a java installer. however the installer is closed source and bugged. to get it to install on ubuntu I have to install it elsewhere and then with a custom script which builds a tar from the files on that computer and installs them on the ubuntu machine. [00:05] but I'm pretty good with bash so I'll just script my way through it I guess [00:05] alright thanks [00:12] http://www.ispconfig.org/ this looks similar to cpanel. not sure its a lamp config web gui like im looking for though. [00:18] If anyone has a second, I would love comments on https://help.ubuntu.com/community/ShorewallBasics -- especially from people just starting into command line based firewalling, and especially experienced shorewall users as well, thanks [00:20] is there an ssh server installed with ubuntu server (lamp option) by default? [00:20] nope [00:21] sudo apt-get install openssh-server i believe [00:21] alright, thanks andguen1. [00:21] Silvanov: when you choose the lamp option, ssh is in that list too, in the installer [00:22] I didnt see a way to select multiple options though, and I've already completed the installation, just get started learning commands and how to set it up [00:24] Silvanov: sudo apt-cache search is a wonderful command to know -- try 'sudo apt-cache search php' or 'sudo apt-cache search openssh' -- any one of those entries there can be installed [00:26] nice. thank you very much. I also found aptitude which seems much more 'user friendly' repository/installer gui. [00:27] Silvanov: There are always always always multiple ways to do it :) there wouldn't be thousands of Linux distros if we geeks didn't want some choice in the matter :) [00:27] hehe [00:27] find a way that works and use it for a while, just be aware of what others use and check it out just in case [00:28] I have to confess, I'm a bit of a hypocrite, or just lazy, some of my friends like zsh, I'm staying with bash shell for now :) [00:30] ive tried suse and red hat before in the past, but this will be my first serious foray with linux, and i wanted to start with ubuntu, because ill be selling and supporting ubuntu machines and my new job :D [00:34] alright, much easier now. dont have to get up and change chairs, have ssh installed and logged in from my main computer :) [00:39] agreed, definitely a key first step. -- I have worked with Redhat and SUSE as well, I've gotten spoiled with how easy it is to install packages in Debian/Ubuntu, not to mention the speed of new releases.... [00:44] so far i liked the new kubuntu, everything seemed fairly simple to use, and install and configuration was by far much easier than windows 98-vista. For the first time ive tried linux, all the hardware just worked as well. Now ive reinstalled hardy 8.04 server on that machine, and just trying to learn as i go, with the motive of tranferring my blog, which i host on my main pc via wampserver to this box. [00:49] it definitely takes a good project to keep you learning and diving further into it === andguen1 is now known as andguent [00:51] the only commands I know thus far are sudo, apt-get, ls and ifconfig lol [00:52] locate is a nice one to know, grep, xargs..... hmmmm what else :) [00:53] figuring I'll learn a ton as i get different software installed and try to configure them. [00:53] Of course there is the server guide :) [00:53] !guide [00:53] !guide [00:53] !serverguide [00:54] Hmm [00:54] bot dead again? [00:54] So much for that. [00:54] One mo. [00:54] http://doc.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/serverguide/C/ [00:55] That won't answer all your questions, but it gets you started. [00:55] if one document answered all of my questions, I wouldn't read it :P [00:55] takes all of the fun out of life [00:55] im actually reading through that atm, but is it accurate for the 8.04 release as well? [00:55] * lamont isn't familiar with the 'ifconfig lol' command... :-) [00:56] alias ifconfiglol='echo Come again?' [00:56] Silvanov: Some people would be insulted at that question, but yes, many hours were spent on making it so. Mind you, I'm not sure if that URL has the latest version of the docs, YMMV. [00:56] heh [00:56] * lamont uses 'ip' rather than 'ifconfig' anymore anyway [00:57] owh: insulted? mmmmkay, sounds like a reasonable question to me, shrug [00:57] owh: thanks, and sorry, didnt mean to insult or offend anyone. [00:58] doc.ubuntu.com = "development" server of the docs team [00:59] I asked this about an hour ago, but If anyone has a second, I would love comments on https://help.ubuntu.com/community/ShorewallBasics -- especially from people just starting into command line based firewalling, and especially experienced shorewall users as well, thanks === LjL-Temp is now known as LjL [01:00] andguent: did you test that with the new shorewall ? [01:00] andguent: Silvanov: Ah, sorry, that's my sense of humour acting up. The insulted comment was really supposed to be in quotes and I should have added >:-) to the end :) [01:01] JanC: how new? there is always something newer, i just accept that sometimes, it should be good with the latest shorewall from the gutsy repositories [01:01] JanC: So, you're saying that its the latest version? [01:01] * owh really, really wishes that the documentation team started including version strings on all the documents. [01:03] JanC: I assume you are referring to shorewall 4.0 & up? No, I'm testing it on 3.4.4 currently [01:03] andguent: according to http://packages.ubuntu.com/shorewall hardy has shorewall 4.x ? [01:04] still gutsy on my home computers, definitely good to know, thanks for pointing it out [01:04] you can try hardy in a VM ツ [01:06] yup, when the time arrives, but definitely good to try [01:10] alright, ive got the lamp setup, phpmyadmin, ssh and ftp servers installed, but not configured yet. [01:13] Silvanov: sounds like an excellent start, which ftp server did you go with? most everything else there usually configures itself [01:14] vsftpd via http://doc.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/serverguide/C/ftp-server.html [01:16] was able to turn it on, connect, see from my main pc, see there was no files and turn it off. Figure once I get lamp setup, and need to tranfer my wordpress blog over, ill figure that part out lol [01:17] yup, ftp can definitely do that for you, but one other piece of software to be aware of is scp/ssh, scp lets you copy files from one pc to another if ssh is running at the destination (and your username can get to the destination directory) [01:19] i'll check it out, but atm i don't know directory structures or default locations for anything on linux :S [01:20] im so acustomed to windows, im intrigued, but feel like a new born at the same time lol [01:21] if you know /home, /etc, and /var, the rest can be lower priority -- /home for your user's settings, /etc for global settings like server daemons, and /var is for files that change often like logs [01:22] so windows analogy wise, home is like my documents, etc is like my programs, and var is like temp? [01:22] mmm, /etc is probably closer to the registry then to program files [01:23] var is used for things that are around for a while, but might just change a lot, there is a /tmp directory, that is VERY temporary, and gets cleaned out every reboot [01:25] very good to know, and great explanations :D [01:28] how about opening/reading/editing text or config files. is there a command for that? [01:28] dozens [01:29] nano is an easy one to learn, vi is complicated but powerful, some people really like emacs, but thats another story :) [01:29] if you ever see documentation or menu shortcuts that say ^X -- that usually means Control+X, if you jump into nano you will see what i mean [01:30] i actually just figured that out, and am playing with nano right now :D [01:31] im guessing ^r (read file) is like open file [01:31] if you are working with text files on the computer you are at, you can try gedit too -- similar to notepad [01:32] most likely, I tortured myself and jumped right into vi/vim so i would have to learn a nano feature in order to explain it [01:33] thats cool, reading the ftp conf file now, looks like i can edit it through this as well. [01:34] btw, thanks for all your friendly help thus far and in advance :D im sure everything im asking is extremely newbish, but i do appreciate your answers. [01:36] here, quick tip for you then, I found it was 100 times easier to learn what files contained what settings once I learned how to search for text in files --- 'find /etc/|xargs grep eth0' -- searches the /etc directory for anything that contains 'eth0' [01:38] I used to work as an IT helpdesk manager, we had a heavy amount of Ubuntu/Debian boxes, and a good deal of our techs were Windows guys, I have practice explaining this stuff, but it helps if you know at least some good 'ole DOS [01:38] so, you're welcome :) [01:39] :D im pretty comfortable in dos, wrote some dos scripts before, so I think I'll learn easier than most, I just tend to overwhelm myself sometimes lol. [01:40] i remember theres a way to look up what commands do, and thier syntax, is it command /? or man or something? [01:41] nvm, figured it out :D [01:41] man then the command [01:41] one of the absolute greatest things of linux is.... once you get your vsftp server running, take the config file /etc/vsftpd.conf or /etc/vsftpd/vsftpd.conf or whatever, and back it up, that usually allows you to duplicate the exact same setup on another box, or break it and reset it later [01:42] command --help, command -h, man command -- all of those should work, but some programs are older then others [01:43] hello folks.. well. I have a question about "fsck". Is it a server question or should I move to #ubuntu? [01:43] its fine here, just ask, we can see what we can do [01:43] thanks =p [01:44] after a energy down, my filesystem got broken and then it said to run fsck manually [01:44] I'm running it a long time ago, with "-y" [01:45] It's actually on the Unattached Inode 819000 (and counting) [01:45] it never stops [01:45] something I can do to fix it? [01:45] If possible, try to keep multiple comments to one line, just in case others are talking in the middle of your explanation [01:46] ah, ok. i'm sorry [01:46] how long does it stay on that inode? any weird noises from the drive itself as it hangs on that spot? [01:46] It started at 16pm and is still running. I dont know about some noises because I'm on a remote connection [01:47] I read about "temporary files" on lost+found, is it right? If yes, is there a way to delete all those files? [01:48] how many hours ago was it started? I'm on EasternUS time, but I hate to assume you are in the same time zone. :) Is there anyone near the box itself that could possibly hold a phone to the case as its working? [01:48] ....or maybe just describe what noises they hear [01:48] it's taking about 5 hours [01:48] I think no at moment. maybe tomorrow [01:49] If fsck files parts of files and doesn't know how to repair the files, it often does drop them in lost+found, I'm not sure if that answers your lost+found question or not [01:49] That number are counting quickly. Visually doesnt look like "finding errors" but it's just an impression [01:50] If the numbers are moving along, I would say let it do its work, it probably is aggressively checking for any errors it can find [01:50] I'd check dmesg while this is going. [01:51] If the position on the drive has stopped, and stays at one area for a very long time, you may have a hardware problem, I would agree with owh, dmesg gives good info [01:52] Whatever happens, always always have good backups, if your hard drive survives this, your next priority should be testing all of your backup systems, assuming you have them :) [01:52] I'm using a remote system I think cannot show me multiple terminals. I'll keep it running until tomorrow. Many thanks for your help, guys =) [01:53] haha, ok. thank you again [01:53] if signing in via ssh, you can always start a second session, also keep in mind if you started the fsck from a remote shell, that connection needs to stay open for the command to continue [01:53] shutting down your workstation for the night may kill your disk scan [01:54] depending on how you started it [01:54] It's not SSH because the system is not starting. It's stopping on dis check, no services was started. I'm using a KVM remote access. Looks like a VNC [01:55] ahh, very nice --- don't suppose you have options for Ctrl-Alt-F2? [01:55] I tried on the shurtcuts menu option, but didn't find. let me see again [01:56] I know for a fact that some of those integrated remote access cards will not have the option, so don't kill yourself looking for it [01:58] Yep. No way to change terminal. And i dont know if a system that isn't started can show more terminals than the first one [01:59] It looks like that free space counting on Gmail =p [01:59] if it isn't stopped, cross your fingers and go to bed :) [02:00] I started on manually accept this Unattached Inodes, but I stopped at the 600th pressed "Y" [02:00] oh dear, 600?? [02:00] manually. after that I started fsck with "-y" option [02:01] i hope you have good backups man, that just doesn't sound good [02:03] many thanks andguent. if I remember how to get back here I tell you about the end of fsck tomorrow. thanks! [02:03] good luck [03:25] !webmin [03:40] How about a good recommendation for SSH client, windows based? Right now I use putty, but that seems to be limited to a single shell. Wonder if there's like, a multi windowed one [03:43] hmmm.. have you tried winscp [03:45] you can run multiple instances of putty as well [03:46] when searching for ssh clients for windows, i found a tabbed client earlier today as well. [03:46] eh? [03:47] putty + screen [03:48] I've used WinSCP before, on my Smoothwall router... didn't seem that special [03:49] Windows doesn't have Screen. I'm thinking of something like mIRC, with 4 tiled windows all to the same server [03:49] got enough monitor resolution to handle it [03:53] JaxxMaxx, what would you like to accomplish? [03:54] Seeing whatever the Debug Output is, while keeping my command window from scrolling back would be a good start. [03:54] trying to troubleshoot why FreeRADIUS/dialupadmin and MySQL aren't happily married yet. [03:55] maybe a packet monitor to discover what the Radius packet situation really is like [03:55] I've got a test user that I provide the right credentials, but the result still comes back a failure, but with the success message [03:57] I'm looking for some opinions. I've got a generic user.sh backup script. The way it is intended to be used is that you symlink to it from /etc/cron.daily. The symlink name will be used to determine which username to backup, using `basename $0` - pretty straight forward. So far so good. [03:58] I've got the same for fstab mounted devices. Works in the same way, mounts stuff based on their name in fstab. [03:58] Now for the challenge. [03:58] owh, good morning! :) [03:59] If I want to write a generic script that needs other parameters, for example an rsync server and module, or a path to backup, or I need to order the things in /etc/cron.daily, I need to do some magic with the name if I use this idea. [04:00] So, in the opinions stakes. Am I better off making a configuration file, finding a way to "split" the `basename $0` into parts, or do something else? [04:00] The nice thing about doing it this way is that ls -l /etc/cron.daily shows exactly what is happening. [04:01] And of course, the scripts are completely trivial, simple to maintain and common across all backup types. [04:02] Hi rhineheart_m. [04:02] owh: seems to me that you have enough options to warrant a config file [04:02] got webmin set up finally :D [04:02] owh: make $1 hte user name, then in the script test for $2. if $2 is there require the extra params [04:05] kgoetz: How would I do that if the way that the script is run is as a result of it being in the /etc/cron.daily/ directory. [04:05] owh: the only way it is run is via symlink? ah. [04:05] sommer: A config file then requires parsing and other stuff. I'm not disagreeing, just trying to find the simplest solution. [04:06] sommer: More accurately, the cleanest solution. [04:06] owh: ah, for me the cleanest would be to not use /etc/cron.daily, but an actual crontab file [04:07] then you could use a simpler script with more arguments [04:07] you can't ls the directory, but you can crontab -l the file :-) [04:07] sommer: I understand what you're saying, but that then requires the administrator to understand the format of the crontab file. Something which you and I take for granted, others are flummoxed. [04:08] owh: heheheh, yep that changes things [04:08] sommer: I like your argument of it allowing you to provide parameters though. [04:08] owh: replace teh symlink with a script? [04:08] This discussion is precisely why I ventured here to ask for opinions :) [04:08] kgoetz: What do you mean? [04:09] Ah, create a script that calls the central code. That's possible, not as pretty, but possible. [04:09] owh: in that sort of situation maybe bacula would be a good fit, require's more back end configuration, but has gui client [04:09] owh: instead of /etc/cron.daily being a link farm put in a dumb script farm [04:10] sommer: Ah, definitely no. Going down that path then introduces waaaay more complexity, other than an rsync with mount, etc. [04:10] heh, that's true [04:11] kgoetz: You'll loose this though: /etc/cron.daily/user -> /opt/backups/user_backup.sh [04:11] kgoetz: Which sort of tells you what is going on immediately. [04:11] owh: why will you? [04:12] kgoetz: Then perhaps I do not understand what you are saying. I was showing you a line from ls -l /etc/cron.daily. [04:12] Let me ask a different question as I've already come up against a limitation of my implementation. [04:12] owh: make the file /etc/cron.daily/user a shell script which calls /opt/backups/$0_backup.sh + your params [04:13] kgoetz: No, because then there would be (n * 2) + 1 scripts, rather than one script and n symlinks. [04:14] (n * 2)? [04:14] is there any package that i can use to monitor a remote server's resources like ram/swap cpu useage and bandwidth? [04:14] My different question is. How do I order the scripts. Naming them 01-bob 00-judy is obvious, but how do I split off the numbering? [04:15] i know i can just use cli tools via ssh but i would love to use a diffrent tool that i can add into conky [04:15] kgoetz: You are suggesting a script in /etc/cron.daily/ for each user, one in /opt/backups/ for each user and the central backup script. [04:15] cut? sed? depends where they are being trimmed [04:15] jester45: webmin or ebox might be what your after [04:16] kgoetz: Hmm, yes, I'm familiar with the concept, is there a cleaner way? [04:16] owh: perhaps i didnt understand yoru symlink then. i take it "/opt/backups/user_backup.sh" isnt your master backup script then? [04:16] Jester45: depends what you want. theres lots of options though [04:16] ill look at ebox but i dont want webmin id rather keep it a bit more secure and use ssh+htop/iftop [04:16] kgoetz: Let me show you a more accurate cron listing: /etc/cron.daily/kgoetz -> /opt/backups/user_backup.sh [04:17] ebox looks like the same webui stuff [04:17] owh: cleaner way would depend on how broken my suggestion re sed/cut was ;) [04:17] Jester45, have you tried phpmyinfo? [04:17] Jester45, have you tried phpsysinfo rather? [04:17] owh: ah. and what happens in user_backup? it uses $0 to say 'backup kgoetz'? [04:18] kgoetz: Well to be precise it uses USERNAME=`basename $0`, but yes. [04:18] thats looks better [04:18] owh: and for some reason your going to need extra info per user? [04:19] thanks rhineheart_m do you know any simpler ones? or maybe something like conky? cli only server [04:19] kgoetz: Well, no, not for the user script, but for a path backup script, yes. That is, now I want to backup /home/fred/accounts/debtors, but I really don't care about fred's photos. [04:19] are you looking for webbased guis? [04:20] Jester45: a one off or lots of servers? [04:20] kgoetz: And similarly, I want to backup to an rsync server with a named module. [04:20] kgoetz, just one [04:20] Jester45, mmm Nagios [04:20] Jester45: for multiple i'd suggest nagios but not for one [04:20] owh: mmm. i see [04:21] At that point it becomes more and more viable to use sommer's suggestion of config files. I could name them after $0 perhaps. [04:22] Silvanov, if you where talking to me im not looking for webuis it jus that they seem to be the only good ones, i think all i really want is ram useage bandwidth and cpu useage in text, file based or via a sevice/pipe [04:22] a onfig file somwhere will be almost required [04:22] Jester45: Then why not set up a password-less ssh and run some remote commands? [04:23] kgoetz: Yuk. but yeah, it's beginning to look like that. [04:23] owh, do they connect faster than passworded ssh? so i could enclude into conky? [04:23] owh: the reason i thought of using a script rather tehn a symlink is because you can drop extra info into them [04:23] Jester45: Alternatively you could run MRTG. [04:24] kgoetz: Yeah, but it leaves stuff all over the place, making it harder to maintain. [04:24] owh: yeah. [04:25] kgoetz: It's not when you set it up the first time, it's when you set it up the next time. For example, if I wanted to add a new user to backup, I just create another symlink and off it goes. If I did it with an extra script, I'd need to copy it, then rename it, then edit it, check it for typos, etc. [04:26] owh: now think symlink+config file and its hardly any less complex [04:26] if you have a standard config that most clients use you wont have to edit teh script each time anyhow [04:26] kgoetz: Ah, but I can make it fail if there is no config file and report back. That way I get told it's borked. [04:27] updating is harder then the symlink method though [04:27] thats a feature? ;) [04:27] So, are there any dissenting/alternative opinions around? [04:28] make users do their own backups *mwhahahah* [04:28] [04:28] kgoetz: Yeah, no. [04:28] lol [04:30] Would this be evil: ln -s /opt/backups/path.sh /etc/cron.daily/home--fred--accounts--debitors [04:31] Similarly, ln -s /opt/backups/rsync.sh /etc/cron.daily/hostname--module [04:32] -- would be more trouble then its worth. i'd think that would be a fairly fragile way to do it in general though [04:32] * owh just did "locate '--'" with no hits. [04:32] think parsing it [04:32] kgoetz: Yes, it's not pretty. [04:33] * kgoetz expects theres no --'s for a reason [04:33] kgoetz: So, that's good then :) [04:34] if your after a uniq string it should be :) [04:34] * kgoetz tries to work out making directories in perl [04:34] kgoetz: What, mkdir isn't good enough for you? [04:35] kgoetz: `mkdir dirname` :) [04:35] owh: i'm asuming its harder then that :p [04:35] * owh is with sommer :) [04:36] * owh doesn't speak perl :) [04:36] * kgoetz neither ... yet [04:36] kgoetz: http://perldoc.perl.org/functions/mkdir.html [04:37] needs a module though [04:37] yegad. its not that hard o_0 [04:38] Well, the POSIX.pm has a mkdir function :) [04:40] kgoetz: And the manual refers to Perl's build in mkdir function as well :) [04:40] s/build/built/ [04:40] perldoc -q mkdir didnt find anything, so i assumed it was going to be veeery hard [04:41] * owh grepped :) [04:41] kgoetz: Very evil: locate perl | while read n ; do grep mkdir $n ; done [04:42] * kgoetz wonders how many binaries owh just grepped [04:42] * owh didn't worry about it. [04:42] lackadasical fiend [04:43] sommer: I'm going with your suggestion of the config files until I come across a better idea. Thanks. [04:43] kgoetz: Nah, if a binary matched, it said so :) [04:43] kgoetz: Sometimes close enough is good enough. [04:44] kgoetz: Of course that will only be true if it actually works, but by then you'll have used google :) [04:44] owh: np [04:44] mkdir "wikimangle"; ftw! [04:45] sommer: cheers mate [04:45] ROTFL [04:45] sommer: Did you get a reply about the Guide? [04:45] sommer: Or did they try hard not to laugh? [04:46] oh ya, I did, since it's so far after SF committing the changes will mess with the translators [04:46] but, we can commit just the spelling changes right before release [04:46] wich will be after the translators are done [04:46] just need to make sure the translation doesn't change :-) [04:47] So, that means we'll have it translated *and* spell checked? [04:47] yeppers [04:47] sommer: So, do you want me to give you one without example.com, but leave the rest in? [04:47] I think I created one, did I forget to attach it when I replied? [04:48] * owh still thinks there should be a standard for example urls. [04:48] * owh checks. [04:48] sure, you just created the standard heh [04:49] sommer: I mean across all the documentation, not just our little guide :) [04:49] Yes, there was a .diff attached. I'm checking it now. [04:49] you mean not just the server guide? [04:49] Yes [04:49] um for the diff for the standard? [04:50] Huh? [04:51] for the using example.com as a standard it would probably be a good idea to post to the doc ml, but probably after hardy is released [04:51] isn't example.com THE example URL? [04:51] Yes. I think that needs looking at in more detail. Hostnames, user names, example users, urls, etc. [04:52] JaxxMaxx, Yes, in very small examples, but not across the board. [04:52] sure, I'm sure other members of the doc team would agree, plus there are many "student" documentors that could handle that [04:52] For example, what do you name the localhost's FQDN? What about a generic mail server? What username do you give? [04:52] I prefer Testy McTesterson myself [04:53] localhost.example.local? [04:53] Opinions on SecureCRT? [04:54] sommer: Your diff seems to have lots removed. I've not got time right now to check, but I'll have a look-see. [04:54] Hmmm, any way I can get Alt-Fn to work in Putty/ =] [04:54] owh: sure, whenever you get a chance [04:54] JaxxMaxx, that makes no sense. Alt-Fn, in the context of consoles is hardware specific. You're better off using screen. [04:54] well I'm off to sleepy time, have a good one all [04:54] Later sommer [04:55] ooh, I remember screen. not how to use it, mind, but I recall the command from University Unix shell days... [04:56] Ctrl-A Ctrl-D = detatch, Ctrl-A Ctrl-C = create, Ctrl-A Ctrl-N = next. [04:56] Have fun. [04:57] sounds like orphaned processes to me.... =] [05:03] does anyone know what the ubuntu developer channel is? [05:04] lamont: Here's a reminder about Bug #207526. I don't think we want to skip fixing this one before the release. [05:04] is it -devel or -development ? [05:05] what command do I use to display what a symlink points at? trying to find where stuff in init.d is pointing [05:05] devel [05:05] ls -l symlink [05:06] ls -l /dir will show long for all files including where symlinks point [05:06] is green a symlink? [05:07] no [05:07] executable [05:07] sym links are light blue [05:07] if a file has x in it's permissions then it will be green [05:07] Hmm. Then Ubuntu packages put the executables into the init.d dir? [05:07] they should be [05:07] how do I tell what folder the conf files are in? [05:08] /etc [05:08] these are standard linux details [05:08] /etc/init.d is scripts that run when your computer starts [05:08] Sorry for being such a fresh n00b . =] [05:08] most I've done with Linux before is a Smoothwall Express box [05:08] however they do not run if they are in that directory but /etc/rc2.d like folders will link to them [05:09] I have never used it [05:09] smoothwall [05:09] "You call that a firewall? This is a bloody firewall" [05:09] * jetole points to custom iptables from hell [05:10] I don't have the time for custom iptables =] [05:10] yes you do, you just don't know how [05:10] I used to [05:10] way back [05:10] it is not a slow process when you know how to use it [05:10] but work wasn't eating up the time back then. [05:11] I can configure it quicker with iptables then any gui [05:11] Too many simple boxes you can drop in for firewall duty. You never truely know how they work exactly, but the bosses believe they do the job [05:11] and gui's lack features [05:11] well security is my job [05:12] I'm not lucky to be so focused. [05:12] i installed ubunutu-server on my laptop because it only has 128MB ram and i wasnted a very basic install. i installed fluxbox on top of it, and now i want to run a network manager that supposedly comes with ubuntu-desktop. i thought i might have already apt-get'd it, is there a command i can use to run it to see? [05:12] s/wasnted/wanted [05:12] current boogeyman is a Ubuntu LAMP server hosting FreeRADIUS/DialupAdmin for a Nomadix captive portal [05:12] I have un used ip on public addresses that are spaced between real ip, if any packet goes to that address then they are blacklisted, if someone port scans a system they are temp blocked, find me a gui that allows me to do that [05:13] themime: apt-get install ubuntu-desktop -y [05:13] sudo if need be [05:13] whats -y? [05:13] yes [05:13] i don't want ubuntu desktop though [05:13] then why did you just ask for it? [05:13] sorry, i was referring to network manager [05:14] can i run it command line? [05:14] apt-get install -y network-manager [05:14] apt-get install -y network-manager-gnome [05:14] Is my mysqld supposed to be running all the time with --skip-external-locking ? I fear I changed a conf file trying to reset the 'sa' password [05:15] jetole: im using fluxbox, will that require a bunch of gnome crap i don't need? [05:15] well, first off there is no 'sa' password [05:15] themime: probably but that is one of the network-manager guis [05:15] the other option is the kde gui [05:15] JaxxMaxx: there is no 'sa' password [05:15] it doesn't ask for a baseline password when you install MySQL? probably my root sql login then [05:15] is there a non gui version? my question of "how do i run it" was not the install, but to run network manager, cause i think i may have installed it [05:16] JaxxMaxx: no, and you do not need one when you install it but lemme look at my sql [05:16] yes it is supposed to have that option [05:17] I just checked on 3 systems [05:17] the option for password is something like --skip-grant-tables [05:17] * jetole looks for sure [05:17] yes, that was the exact option [05:18] ah, right [05:18] but if you install mysqld from apt-get then there is no root password [05:18] Where does the Debug Log end up? Supposedly there are messages in there useful for troubleshooting [05:18] if you install it from the server then it prompts you, I mean from the CD [05:18] during OS install [05:19] themime: ubuntu server also has a kernel you don't want, if I were you I would install ubuntu desktop and do an apt-get remove ubuntu-desktop -y [05:19] add --purge onto the end [05:19] the server system is configured to be a server [05:20] themime: apt-get install linux-image-generic -y && update-grub [05:21] themime: reboot and choose the new kernel [05:21] and then do a apt-get remove linux-image-server && update-grub [05:22] Here's what may be a silly question: If something is told to authenticate to MySQL as a specific username, does that username have to exist in the Linux subsystem, or is it specific to the SQL server? [05:22] specific to sql [05:23] grant all privileges on table to 'user'@'host' identified by 'password'; [05:23] I think that is the syntax [05:23] and host is optional [05:23] host is also the host of the sql server [05:23] Hmm, maybe I'm not specifying the @host part in this conf file... [05:23] no [05:23] that applies to SQL only [05:24] if host is 'localhost' then they can only connect through localhost etc [05:24] ah, no domain on SQL specific accounts... [05:25] it's possible, login to sql manually and run => select user, host from mysql.user; [05:25] it will tell you what users you have defined and what host is associated with them [05:25] if you want it to be assiciated with any host then change the host to % [05:26] update mysql.user set host = '%' where user = 'my_fscking_user'; [05:26] nah, only things on localhost shoudl talk to this MySQL server [05:26] just hard to tell if it's actually succeeding. the web based admin keeps showing SQL DEBUG statements at the top of frames [05:27] JaxxMaxx: yes but localhost is a propername as well which represents 127.0.0.1 so if you tell your app to login to the ip that is not the localhost ip and localhost is defined as the login host then it will fail [05:27] JaxxMaxx: have you tried logging in locally with that user name and password to the ip that you are specifying [05:27] ? [05:27] like with SSH, or via mysql [05:27] mysql [05:28] mysql user names do not have ssh access, they are not system users [05:28] I've got the prompt (never been able to fathom this properly) [05:28] mysql root user has not password by default but imagine if ubuntu shipped where anyone could login to ssh as root with no pass [05:29]