=== LjL-Temp is now known as LjL [02:08] so can i get xubuntu to work on a mac 233 256 mb ram? [02:31] sudo, prolly [02:31] sudobash: , prolly [03:26] Can anyone tell me how to disable my wireless card, so my wired connection will initiate on startup instead of wireless? [03:27] haha, I was just going to ask the same question [03:29] haha [03:29] hopefully someone will have an answer.....cant find anything on google [03:35] I have another noob question. When I set up Xubuntu it asked me for a username and password to set the system up. I used jashmore as my username. The password I gave automatically got set as my root pass also. So, when I log in, I am using my root password. Is this bad? [03:41] potentially.... [03:41] but too tired [03:42] ? [04:03] need help ;-0 [04:07] cleokat, what [04:07] which prob ? [04:08] cleokat, ? [04:18] hey [04:18] i'm having some trouble with abiword, can anyone here help? [04:21] yup yup [04:21] sorry [04:22] Most beginer, you can have, I just installed xubuntu and the resolution is bad [04:22] the best option I have is 800X600 [04:26] i've created an ubuntu install script based on icewm, if you're interested: http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?p=4626969 [04:30] Anyone know how to disable wireless connection starting on startup?? [04:34] How can I get better than 800X600 screen resolution? [04:35] cleokat: sudo dpkg-reconfigure -phigh xserver-xorg [04:51] Can I get some help pleae? [04:55] yes [04:55] I can help you [04:56] hey [04:56] im trying to find a way to disable my wireless connection so it doesnt start up during startup [04:56] fivehorizons, hmm try "sudo network-admin" [04:56] or to at least make sure my wired connection takes precedent over my wireless [04:57] do you have network-manager installed ? [04:58] not sure, i think so [04:58] which manager do u have ? XFCE ? [04:58] yeah [04:58] k [04:59] can I see your desktop ? printcreen ? [04:59] anyway [04:59] type in a shell --> "sudo network-admin" [05:00] ok, it brings up a windows with Network Settings at the top [05:00] it lists Wireless Connection, Wired Connection, and Modem Connection [05:02] k [05:02] does it have - in the box ? [05:03] does it have what in the box? [05:03] You have a square before Wireles Connection and Wired connection... [05:03] a checkbox [05:03] its a - ? [05:04] Right now, the Wired Connection has the check and the Wireless has nothing [05:04] ok [05:04] so [05:04] do Apply [05:04] or OK [05:04] and in the shell [05:05] do "sudo /etc/init.d/networking restart" [05:05] and then "ping yahoo.ca" to know if u have the net [05:07] should it be downloading a lot of packets? [05:09] The internet is working [05:10] So when i restart, will the wired connection take precedent over the wireless now? [05:24] thanks for the help, wouhou! === zoredache_ is now known as zoredache [06:57] How do I change the system font size on xubuntu? [09:33] Hello, I have a question related to Edubuntu. I hope I can get an answer here. [09:33] Should I ask? [09:34] don't ask to ask, just ask :/ [09:35] #ubuntu might have more answers though [09:37] I had requested Edubuntu CD from the free shipping service. It seems like the CD does not contain any educational applications and I will have to install them manually. What is the reason? [09:38] I have searched the CD but could not find a single one. [09:46] Nobody knows? [13:11] hi all :) [13:38] Hello! My "Startbar" / "Task manager-thing" has disappeared completely from one boot to another. I just turned it off, and everything was fine, and then I turned it on again, and the bar was missing. [13:39] Is there some way to get it back as it was? Or, alternatively, where can I find the cfg file to delete/return to default ? [13:46] Hi! I'm running xubuntu, and my "Startbar" / "Task manager-thing" has disappeared completely from one boot to another. I just turned it off, and everything was fine, and then I turned it on again, and the bar was missing. Is there some way to get it back as it was? Or, alternatively, where can I find the cfg file to delete/return to default ? [13:46] Whoops. [13:46] Sorry about the repeat. [13:46] Was copypasting. [13:47] hehe [13:48] Where could it have gone ? [13:49] if you right click the panel you can add it back [13:49] No no, the entire panel has gone. [13:49] Just forgot the name of it... and I couldn't click the name to check :/ [13:49] so there is no panel at all - top or bottom? [13:50] No, nothing. [13:50] the panel is the strip across the top [13:50] Yeah, or the bottom or the sides - right ? [13:51] "Where the apps go to rest when you put them down" [13:51] :) [13:52] Nothing there [13:55] TheSheep: ? [13:56] ere4si: ? [13:56] prin: press alt+f2 and type xfce4-panel [13:56] TheSheep: how do we get a panel back for prin ? [13:56] Right, how do I run a terminal without the panel? I'm finguring I could just run the panel from the terminal [13:57] Yay! [13:57] And then make sure to "Save Session" when I reboot, yeah ? [13:57] prin: I thin just saving the new panel configuration is enough [13:57] Thank you so much [13:57] I may be mistaken though [14:01] yeah TheSheep is right, session saving is only for open apps etc [14:56] is it possible to reorder the items on the taskbar? === SamRose_ is now known as SamRose [17:34] i need help tweaking my pc, what processes could i get rid of which are running in the background [17:34] using system monitor [17:36] all the services are doing something useful... but I suspect the first one I would get rid of is avahi [17:37] what does avahi do? [17:37] bonjuer networking... [17:37] aka multicast dns [17:37] is it releated to the network manager [17:38] somewhat, but I am pretty sure you can use network manager without it [17:38] i was also using BUM, the only things i disabled was NVIDIA drivers and laptop untilties [17:39] if you don't need to print or create pdfs you can get rid of cups... [17:40] oh rite, well i need that [17:40] !lowmem [17:40] For installing on low memory systems, this page has useful information: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Installation/LowMemorySystems. See also https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Installation/SystemRequirements. [17:41] that might have some hints, but it isn't entirely related to what you asked [17:41] rite thanks [17:43] there really isn't alot ram difference between Ubuntu & Xubuntu, but i suppose, Xubuntu has managed to stay around the 128mb mark, but Ubuntu has not [17:44] while a low memory system is part of the goals of xubuntu it isn't the only goal. Trying to have a useable system is also important. Which means adding other things [17:46] Deciding where to draw the line of useability vs performance is very challenging. The default choices are probably not right for everyone. But with some work you can make it fit your needs [18:32] err:wgl:X11DRV_wglShareLists Could not share display lists, context already created ! [18:32] DRM_I830_CMDBUFFER: -22 [18:33] I get something like that with a Windows soft that SHOULD work (under wine) and an intel card. Tips? [18:33] The windows soft tries to use OpenGL, this much I know [18:37] And oh, it also may cause random crashes. <3 [18:41] taza: maybe try asking on #wine [18:42] TheSheep: To me that sounds like a driver problem actually. [19:00] here's a puzzel: why does the size of the system font change when I switch between the free and non-free ATI drivers? [19:00] in particular, the non-free font size is larger [19:02] errr [19:02] smaller [19:03] window deocrations, buttons, icons, all keep their size; however, a terminl window large enough to be an 80x24 display with the non-free drivers is only about 70x20 with the free drivers [19:09] hello [19:09] Hello [19:09] is TheSheep here? [19:10] in second thought cody-somerville i fancy you might know [19:10] :) [19:10] is hardy going to have fusesmb preconfigured for windows network? [19:16] ? [19:17] No [19:20] cody-somerville: why not? [19:20] No one did it. [19:21] that's pitty. This is why i moved from the loved xubuntu to linux mint xfce. When reinstalled xubuntu several times had to reinstall network by editing files mostly each time. [19:25] anyone uses sabayon and/or pessulus with xfce?! [19:42] how can i customize xfce desktop to all users ? [19:43] even, You can modify /etc/xdg/xfce4 files [19:43] They're the default [19:44] cody-somerville: hm, so, where i modify the themes ? [19:45] /usr/share/themes [19:46] What would be my problem if I get [19:47] err:wgl:X11DRV_wglShareLists Could not share display lists, context already created ! [19:47] DRM_I830_CMDBUFFER: -22 [19:47] (It's a wine program I feel has trouble with the intel display card. Arrgh.) [19:52] !ubotu [19:53] I am ubotu, all-knowing infobot. You can browse my brain at http://ubotu.ubuntu-nl.org/factoids.cgi - Usage info: http://wiki.ubuntu.com/UbuntuBots [19:59] https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/mesa/+bug/149260 [19:59] This looks like my problem. [19:59] Launchpad bug 149260 in mesa "wine-git/google earth crashes with DRM_I830_CMDBUFFER: -22 on Thinkpad X60" [High,In progress] [20:00] Anyone know how I could dodge it? [20:00] I just tried installing the 8.04 beta and somehow got the fonts to draw so small I can't read anything while I was trying to get my monitor resolution set properly [20:00] Anyone know how to reset the font sizes (and also how to properly configure X for my monitor using the NVidia drivers)? [20:02] cody-somerville: no, i want make some theme default. [20:05] thunar keeps opening files in the background, can I change it so they when they are opened they appear in the foreground? [20:12] ubotu, what is your problem the last few days?? Is someone abusing you? [20:21] * Stroganoff slaps ubotu around a bit with a large trout [20:42] i've been searching around but keep finding gnome stuff, is there a way to have different wallpapers per desktop in xfce? [20:43] I am pretty sure there is... [20:43] when you right click on the desktop you don't see an option so set a wallpaper per screen? [20:44] not when i tried it earlier [20:44] or are you talking about different workspaces [20:44] yes, i guess workspaces [20:44] how you have 4 default ones [20:45] ah... you can easily have different backgroud per monitor when you have a multi-monitor setup.. [20:45] i normally split my workspaces by what i'm doing, chat/IM, websurfing, etc, I'd like to have different wallpapers so theres another visual difference [20:46] Okay [20:46] If I want both evince and amarok with minimum depedency problems, what should I get? [20:47] get evince and amarok [20:47] (some other document viewer & music player?) [20:47] apt-get install evince amarok [20:47] zoredache: On *xubuntu*? [20:47] dr_dasos: everything I read seems to say that wallpaper per workspace isn't possible on xfce [20:48] taza: sure [20:48] zoredache, ok, thanks, just wanted to know if i should stop wasting my time looking for a hidden option [20:48] zoredache: I just said "with minimum dependency problems" [20:48] I have 4gb of space [20:49] The 150 megs worth of friends they'd bring... *shudder* [20:49] is that space it asks for when you try to do a apt-get install evince amarok? [20:50] on my system it only wants 42mb [20:50] anyway if you want to install a kde application you are going to have to have the kde libraries installed. There really is nothing you can do to change that [20:51] zoredache: False. [20:51] Are you on Hardy btw? [20:52] 8.04 appears to be better packaged than 7.10 [20:52] oh, and what do you think you could do to change it? Compiling it static wouldn't do much useful... [20:52] zoredache: I don't think AmaroK is really dependant on "kamera" even if the ubuntu devs claim so [20:53] taza: the package that you get from them is dependant on it... if you want one that isn't you would probably have to build it yourself [20:53] zoredache: yeah, I know. It's pretty much exactly what I don't want to do [20:54] I just wish ubuntu developers had brains [20:54] I guess that's why they've accomplished so much. By totally and utterly ignoring even a shed of common sense. [20:54] how do they not have brains? [20:54] zoredache: Look at the 7.10 OpenOffice depedencies [20:54] SOMEONE wasn't thinking there. [20:54] they make choices based on what the majority of the users want [20:55] the majority of the users these days have computers with large hard drives [20:55] The majority of users don't want idiotic packaging decisions. [20:55] And really, just go look at it. [20:55] It's a mistake by someone who doesn [20:55] doesn't really grasp the concept of "dependency" [20:56] And/or was both high AND drunk while packaging [20:56] taza: if you are so opinionated why aren't you submitted patches and bugs with suggested fixes? [20:57] and the openoffice depends looks fine to me... [20:57] zoredache: Because just having the competency and motive does not equal to having sufficient resources. [20:57] And are you using 8.04? [20:57] no, gutsy [20:57] Obv you know zilch about packaging as well then. [20:57] Because those are *out of this world* [20:58] (note that I mean both ways - what openoffice is dependant upon and what is dependant upon it) [20:58] Ah, gah, damn maxa. [20:58] ESPECIALLY what packages are dependant upon openoffice [21:00] Well, I'll give a hint. [21:00] language-support-en is dependant on openoffice's translation [21:00] ... and what is depedant on language-support-en? [21:01] If you guessed "a lot of stuff that really shouldn't", you'd be perfectly right. [21:01] so your complaint isn't about open office, but one of the open office components... [21:01] No, my complaint is about the packaging of ubuntu. [21:02] Y'see, these problems just don't exist on Debian. [21:03] if you like Debian's packaging better why are you using xubuntu? [21:03] I should know, I've used Debian for a long, long time. I'm using Xubuntu because of the recent packaging and hardware [21:03] And because the Fedora rollup for my hardware is well, incomplete. [21:04] * recent packages [21:04] Not such a big fan of a system that is supposed to crash either, as I'd experience with Sid. [21:06] taza: install evince-gtk, it has less dependencies [21:06] TheSheep: Anything like that for AmaroK? [21:07] taza: exaile [21:07] Is that AmaroK in new clothes or a whole different player? [21:08] taza: a whole different player [21:08] Looks good anyway [21:08] taza: amarok is a kkde app and cannot be easily divorced from it [21:08] Hoo, 10mb [21:08] kde [21:09] ehehe [21:09] TheSheep: Yeah, but Ubuntu packages every single other KDE app with it [21:09] I want AmaroK and it wants me to get AmaroK with every single possible extra package and a few gnome packages too [21:09] taza: say, do you have installing recommended packages enabled? [21:09] Not sure. [21:09] taza: because that will pull in a lot of cruft [21:10] Where do I check? [21:10] I have a default install AFAIK, but this is a custom distro so not sure [21:10] taza: in synaptics preferences there is a checkbox 'consider recommended packages as dependencies' [21:11] Where do I check with the commandline? [21:11] I can't handle all this GUI nonsense [21:11] I mean, I use Aptitude anyway [21:11] taza: /etc/apt/apt.conf.d/* [21:12] taza: I don't know where aptitude keeps it [21:12] I have a feeling aptitude doesn't try to be "smart" like that [21:13] see the --with-recommends option in the manpage... [21:13] I mean, yeah, ubuntu overall is bloaty, but still. There's some debian underpinnings in there. [21:13] TheSheep: is xubuntu going to have fusesmb preconfigured sometime? It's really frustrating to make all those steps and reboots each time i reinstall the system, to configure then net.... [21:13] A fully working debian install is... 400mb. A fully working ubuntu install... 2gb. And that's with Xubuntu [21:14] taza: it is bloaty, that's one of its design goals [21:14] taza: try archlinux or gentoo if you want something slim [21:14] TheSheep: Hiring idiots, bloating for no good reason? :P [21:14] TheSheep: Special hardware, only ubuntu has decent guides for it [21:14] taza: do better if you like [21:14] taza: calling names isn't going to help you in any way, you are aware of that? [21:14] Doing better than the guy who packaged openoffice with english language support? :p [21:15] TheSheep: I don't care tbh. [21:15] taza: then you are just trolling here?> [21:15] TheSheep: Asking for lighter software and helping with config? [21:16] taza: no, the other part [21:16] I'm not just trolling and I presume I won't find a) ubuntu devs who can't package or b) rapid fanboys in such a smaller channel. [21:16] So I'm just voicing my frustration. [21:16] taza: I see [21:16] Also, xubuntu default docs are in English. Any way I can get Finnish xubuntu docs in Mozilla? [21:17] TheSheep: ? [21:17] taza: if they are not installed with finnish language support, then probably there are too few Finns to translate them :) [21:18] The whole OS translates into finnish nicely, just not the starting docs. :P [21:18] I used to fix windows systems for dad but got busy with rl [21:18] taza: most of the translations come from the ubuntu project, xubuntu is much smaller [21:18] so I stuck him a Xubuntu Alternate Install CD and he's learning that now. [21:18] ... better than he did Ubuntu. [21:18] Or Windows. [21:18] less to learn [21:18] (ubuntu had the problem of being slowww on old p2 hardware) [21:18] ah, that too [21:20] Mabbe I should just give him a Kubuntu alternative install next time [21:20] KDE handles slower hardware much more nicely than Gnome [21:20] I mean, icewm ftw, but there isn't an Icewmbuntu, especially not one translated to Finnish. [21:21] (icewm is the uncontested king of fast easy-to-learn window enviroments) [21:22] taza: there is flubuntu [21:22] or how do they call it [21:22] with fluxbox [21:23] fluxbuntu [21:23] Permanent RC, no translations, locales horribly broken [21:23] Fluxbuntu will release with Ubuntu 9.04 Final Failure [21:23] I think you're being a bit excessively optimistic about that. [21:24] :) [21:24] Yeah, fluxbuntu has the smallest footprint but it's nowhere near finished [21:24] taza: that's how it works, the bigger the project, the better support it has [21:24] fluxbox would be nice one something like an eeepc [21:24] And they ALREADY have a nazi op in their chatroom and it's a small project. [21:24] mindframe-: Not so much [21:25] I like it [21:25] taza: be glad the ops were away when you started your bithcing here :) [21:25] xfce works just as well, tho I'd LOVE ion-style split windows. [21:25] I mean, xfce with split workspaces? Yes please! [21:26] TheSheep: no response to my question? [21:27] Ben_Cs: sorry, I must have missed it [21:27] Ben_Cs: no idea, sorry [21:27] Ben_Cs: maybe ask on the mailing list [21:28] Ben_Cs: what steps are you going through to set it up? Are the steps even generic enough that the could be doen automagically? [21:30] zoredache , TheSheep: i'll tell u the steps in a moment [21:31] Ben_Cs: maybe post them on the ml, really, this way you won't have to repeat yourself [21:31] TheSheep: i am just doing that :) [21:32] TheSheep: how it called, the ubuntu posting place? [21:32] xubuntu-devel, or the wiki, or launchpad... [21:33] https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/xubuntu-devel [21:33] TheSheep, zoredache: what i'm doing is: http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=304131 [21:36] ugh, it's unnecessarily complicated, I believe you can mount with fuse using fstab too [21:37] Ben_Cs: what happens when the windows servers are not available when you start up? Do you have to wait for timeout? [21:37] TheSheep: never tried it. my other pc with winXP is almost always online [21:38] oh, that howto... It sucks... I perfer autofs plus a excutable mount-map [21:38] and my mount-map script uses smbclient to go probe the netowrk.. === SamRose_ is now known as SamRose [21:39] I really should document it one of these days... [21:39] need some help with my ati driver setup [21:39] zoredache: cool, maybe you could post it somewhere too :) [21:39] zoredache: yes, it'll be nice [21:39] chewit: the restricted driver manager doesn't do its job? [21:39] no it does [21:40] n't [21:40] currently i'm using the "ati", but i want to switch it to "radeon", but ever time i try it keeps reverting it back [21:40] well, thanks for letting me know, to look for easier ways. [21:40] i'm off [21:40] nighty night all [21:40] Ben_Cs: check out https://svn.esd189.org/linuxdev/misc_scripts/cifs_automount/ [21:41] chewit: what is exactly happening? [21:41] good night Ben_Cs [21:41] zoredache: will do, thanks [21:42] my card is an ATi Radeon 7000, i using the "ati" driver, but i want to change it to "radeon" driver, but when i do it, it reverts me back to the "ati" one. I'm using "screen & graphics" to do iy [21:42] it* [21:43] chewit: maybe you could use 'sudo dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg' instead, in terminal [21:43] ok, i will try that [21:44] whats 64mb in kb [21:47] chewit: you dont have to set the memory, just leave it blank [21:48] oh, alrdy have [21:54] thanks, The Sheep [21:55] i have the new driver enabled now :D [21:55] :) [23:10] sal ce faci? === coldhak is now known as Pete_I