[00:00] <bluefoxx> so how long until hardy goes official?
[00:00] <jchase> the wiki page still shows april 24th?
[00:01] <linkinxp> yea
[00:01] <linkinxp> 23 days more
[00:01] <jchase> ooh, suweeet
[00:01] <jchase> the title says there is a 3 motnh delay?
[00:01] <jimiridge> to change acpi/suspend/resume things double check /etc/acpi/
[00:02] <pagan0ne> linkinxp sorry went afk door, yeah tried that
[00:02] <linkinxp> pagan0ne:  its ok
[00:02] <linkinxp> it worked for me
[00:02] <hydrogen> yep jchase, it will be
[00:02] <hydrogen> figure it makes sense to push the entire cycle back three months in order to be more in tune with other release cycles
[00:03] <seiflotfy> hi guys
[00:03] <seiflotfy> small prblem here
[00:03] <linkinxp> hi
[00:03] <jimiridge> like add a script int /etc/acpi/resume.d/wifi   that rmmod's your wifi kmod and remodprobes it
[00:03] <seiflotfy> somehow firefox doesnt know what to open pdf files here
[00:03] <jchase> hydrgen: it wil be delayed? the lts release?
[00:03] <pagan0ne> linkinxp i think the problem it grub is looking in the wrong partition to find whatever file its looking for, not sure as i dont know much about grub, i never had to tinker with it on gutsy or fristy
[00:03] <seiflotfy> and there is nothing under open with
[00:03] <seiflotfy> that goes for almost everything
[00:03] <seiflotfy> even videos and txt files
[00:03] <seiflotfy> even archiver doesnt know what to do
[00:04] <linkinxp> pagan0ne:  but grub install in the partition that has ubuntu so if u erase it! it wont load anymore until u install it again ( ubuntu)
[00:04] <jimiridge> signal to noise ratio sux
[00:05] <pagan0ne> linkinxp doesnt grub boot off the bootblock, and then load the kernel from the correct partition to bring the system up?
[00:05] <pagan0ne> linkinxp i already reinstalled grub when hardy installed, it should i would think configure itself correctly?
[00:06] <linkinxp> pagan0ne:  im not sure thats why my best answer will be just to erase that partition and create it again trough the ubuntu installation
[00:07] <_ke> Simos Xenitellis around?
[00:07] <seiflotfy> guys somehow archivr doesnt know what to open stuff with
[00:07] <seiflotfy> neither does firefox
[00:07] <pagan0ne> linkinxp hehe tried that like i said, still no go, think its a bug with sata and the beta of hardy
[00:07] <linkinxp> i have a sata and hardy
[00:07] <linkinxp> pagan0ne:  in a laptop inspiron 1525 and it did it
[00:08] <bluefoxx> pagan0ne: SATA troubles?
[00:08] <pagan0ne> bluefoxx yeah
[00:08] <pagan0ne> linkinxp this is a custom built desktop
[00:08] <bluefoxx> pagan0ne: you overclocking at all>?
[00:08] <linkinxp> pagan0ne:  maybe thats the key
[00:09] <pagan0ne> bluefoxx not currently, maby in the future
[00:09] <bluefoxx> pagan0ne: ah. overclocking could cause the sata bus to be faulty
[00:10] <bluefoxx> it happened to me
[00:10] <linkinxp> anyone knows about a free viewer online?
[00:10] <pagan0ne> bluefoxx: really dont need to overclock this system right now ;)
[00:10] <pagan0ne> linkinxp maby once i get it watercooled
[00:10] <bluefoxx> i used to puch my 2.93 celeron to 3.75 and my sata was glitchy. downing it to a meek 3.27  fixed it now
[00:11] <bluefoxx> hehe, i wan water cooling
[00:11] <bluefoxx> but once i upgrade my nvidia
[00:11] <linkinxp> oc only get hardware dies quickly
[00:11] <pagan0ne> got 2 8800gtx's 2 500 gb sata drives, 4gb 4800 ddr2
[00:11] <linkinxp> :)
[00:11] <pagan0ne> on a 3.2 dual core amd 64\
[00:11] <linkinxp> no need of OC
[00:13] <pagan0ne> is there any way to get the livecd to rerun just the grub config part of it? or maby a more detailed advanced grub config menu?
[00:13] <jimiridge> chroot to your installed partition and install grub from there
[00:13] <pagan0ne> jimiridge how would i go about doing that?
[00:14] <jimiridge> read through the general gentoo docs  "mount /dev/drive /mnt/drive && mount -t proc proc /mnt/drive/proc/ && chroot /mnt/drive"
[00:14] <pagan0ne> mount /dev/sda1 to /mnt/linux and then chroot /mnt/linux ?
[00:14] <m13> i am trying to install amd64 livecd , but it gets stucked on importing documents and settings, which i didnt chose any to import. it is going like this for 10 min now, is that normal ?
[00:15] <jimiridge> then configure,run grub from the chroot
[00:15] <linkinxp> where u change cursors??
[00:15] <m13> i can open programs and work normaly on live cd, but installer seems stuck
[00:15] <linkinxp> i dont think its normal
[00:15] <bluefox|gaming> im going to take a wild guess and say it would be supremely stupid to plug in a hard disk controller board with no drive on it[my little sister asked XD]
[00:15] <jimiridge> lol and you were telling me i'm wrong about network init scripting m13
[00:16] <linkinxp> maybe the CD/DVD its bad?
[00:16] <Tuv0k> someone here said pulseaudio is not in xubuntu
[00:16] <Tuv0k> how wrong was that?
[00:16] <m13> jimiridge: lol, i installed alternate cd without problem and livecd just dont work
[00:16] <Tuv0k> its supposed to be enabled by default
[00:16] <Tuv0k> what gives?
[00:17] <teamcobra_> is there another command that will allow me to boot straight into a prompt at grub, other than init=/bin/sh ?
[00:17] <m13> jimiridge: and ididnt say u are wrong, i said that is not the way lol
[00:17] <teamcobra_> I've got it to accept most commands I pass now, but init=/bin/sh or bin/bash doesn't work
[00:18] <pagan0ne> jimiridge : chroot returns/; cannot run command /bin/basg : no such file or directory
[00:18] <hydrogen> don't typo?
[00:18] <jimiridge> hah
[00:18] <hydrogen> it helps.
[00:18] <jimiridge> go pray to your pagan gods nekid and they might help you
[00:19] <teamcobra_> this f#@#@ ldap config is referencing ldapi instead of ldap, preventing me from even logging in "in front of" (kvm-over-ip) the box... it hangs now after I input my user/pass
[00:20] <teamcobra_> all I need to do is get into a prompt and change the config and reboot
[00:20] <Tuv0k> !pulseaudio
[00:20] <ubotu> PulseAudio is a sound server intended as a drop-in replacement for !ESD - See https://wiki.ubuntu.com/PulseAudio for information and installation instructions
[00:20] <billisnice> anyone know how to solve totem's ubuntu 8.04 movie player "could not read from resource"?
[00:22] <bluefox|gaming> billisnice: check the device connections? make sure you have decoders/codecs?
[00:22] <m13> so, someone had similar expiriance on amd64 livecd freezing on install step 6/7 ?
[00:23] <billisnice> how do u get the codecs?  thanks
[00:23] <bluefox|gaming> im having trouble booting my other machine off of a scsi disk. p3@450, 768 ram, hangs at grub
[00:24] <bluefox|gaming> testing disk integrity now
[00:24] <m13> billisnice: apt-get install ubuntu-restricted-extras
[00:24] <pagan0ne> jimiridge got it chrooted, but now /dev/ is missing all my entries for my drives, there in the other root's /dev
[00:24] <ph8> hmm, anyone know how i can get a copy of mkinitrd?
[00:25] <dimitree> How to install libstdc++.so.5 ?
[00:25] <m13> ph8 , should be on CD ?
[00:25] <billisnice> i get this msg E: Could not open lock file /var/lib/dpkg/lock - open (13 Permission denied)
[00:25] <jimiridge> http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=224351
[00:26] <r0bby> billisnice: make sure you dont have update manager or synaptic running
[00:26] <bluefox|gaming> try sudo or chown/chmod
[00:26] <r0bby> also apt-get needs to be run as root.
[00:26] <dimitree> How to install libstdc++.so.5 ? :)
[00:26] <r0bby> so like bluefox|gaming said -- do sudo apt-get
[00:26] <jimiridge> pagan0ne, sudo mount -o bind /dev /mnt/root/dev
[00:26] <jimiridge> :P
[00:27] <dimitree> apt-get cant find that file
[00:27] <ph8> m13: got mkinitramfs cheers
[00:27] <bluefox|gaming> im just glancing back at this window now and then, im labeling boot cds and troubleshooting my other machine, while hunting for a cheap 3 drop 68 pin scsi cable
[00:27] <m13> ph8 nps
[00:28] <r0bby> anybody have any luck w/ dual heads (using the configs tool) it's hell.
[00:28] <bluefox|gaming> r0bby: dual heads??...
[00:28] <hydrogen> I got dual head once
[00:28] <hydrogen> best night of my life
[00:28] <billisnice> i did  apt-get install ubuntu-restricted-extras and it did it thing,  does it install codecs automatically?
[00:28] <bluefox|gaming> hydrogen: ><
[00:28] <r0bby> dual monitors
[00:29] <bluefox|gaming> r0bby: oh, idk bout that. im hunting for a second one for my main as well[craigslist==win]
[00:29] <m13> which VGA u have r0bby ?
[00:31] <r0bby> Acer AL2016W 20" Wide Screen
[00:32] <m13> graphic card robby
[00:32] <bluefox|gaming> what happened to my "copy disk" option in the context menu for my cds/dvds? i need to make a usage copy of my new set of ubuntu cds they sent me!
[00:33] <bluefox|gaming> i dont want to have to wait for k3b to download as my connection is more or less dialup
[00:34] <m13> brasero ?
[00:35] <m13> bluefox|gaming: u have brasero ?
[00:35] <bluefox|gaming> brasero?
[00:35] <bluefox|gaming> wait
[00:35] <bluefox|gaming> m13: yes
[00:36] <m13> use that
[00:36] <r0bby> Intel onboard -- hold
[00:36] <r0bby>  Intel Corporation Mobile 915GM/GMS/910GML Express Graphics Controller (rev 03)
[00:36] <m13> and u want use that for two monitors ?
[00:37] <r0bby> if possible -- laptops _DO_ have a VGA port :)
[00:37] <r0bby> it's gotta be possible
[00:37] <m13> cant help you there, but yes should be posible , at least to have same screen on both
[00:38] <r0bby> I just wanna be able to extend my screen to the left
[00:38] <r0bby> doubling screen real estate :)
[00:38] <linkinxp> how i keep my windows shared folders from being removed everytime i reboot from my desktop???
[00:38] <m13> i use two , but on nvidia, very easy to config
[00:39] <r0bby> :(
[00:39] <ph8> m13: Using mkinitramfs, if i want the equivalent of mkinitrd's --preload... do i just put the name of the thing in /etc/initramfs-tools/modules?
[00:40] <m13> ph8, sry dont understand :/
[00:40] <jimiridge> r0bby,
[00:40] <bluefox|gaming> hehe. i need to find a linux OS that can fit on a 100 meg full height hard disk[1989 anyone?]
[00:40] <ph8> anyone? please, in desperate need of help
[00:40] <jimiridge> i have that same graphics card and i just hoooked up a monitor to try it out and works fine
[00:41] <linkinxp> bluefox|gaming:  Damn Small Linux
[00:41] <jimiridge> i have cloned output now
[00:41] <hydrogen> bluefox|gaming: why?
[00:41] <bluefox|gaming> linkinxp: got that lol. im trying to find others
[00:41] <linkinxp> bluefox|gaming:  lol thats the smallest one that i know of
[00:41] <m13> puppylinux
[00:41] <linkinxp> :P
[00:41] <bluefox|gaming> hydrogen: cause i have a few laying around and wanna do sumething with them other than disassemble them
[00:42] <hydrogen> bluefox|gaming: why?
[00:42] <hydrogen> your going to be pulling your hair out and slamming your head against the wall after three minutes
[00:42] <jimiridge> just had to manually play with System>Screen Resolution and enable the vga out
[00:42] <hydrogen> and you'll be out a cd
[00:42] <jimiridge> Fn key doesnt do it... untill i make a script to do it
[00:43] <jimiridge> neato compiz
[00:43] <m13> whos bright idea was to put on ISO linux that weird things ?:(
[00:43] <m13> the TEST system without install have INSTALL ICON wich DONT work
[00:44] <m13> LOL?!?
[00:44] <xNULL> hello, I need some help. I just did an upgrade from gutsy to hardy heron, and after it upgraded & rebooted my pc, the font is SUPER tiny and I get a message saying It can't start GNOME Desktop settings.
[00:45] <bluefox|gaming> hydrogen: lol. theyre 50 pin scsi, tested OK
[00:45] <m13> bluefox|gaming: search for some firewall distribution or somthing, on 100MB u wont be able to do anything
[00:45] <xNULL> does anyone have any ideas?
[00:46] <m13> so, on liveCD prism54usb working, on alternate cd , prism54usb droping conection
[00:47] <AmyRose> Delayed by three months?
[00:47] <linkinxp> a good program for Webcams?
[00:49] <bluefox|gaming> linkinxp: camstream, cheese...search repos
[00:49] <linkinxp> ok :P
[00:50] <getthearm> anyone want to help me?
[00:51] <teamcobra_> getthearm, what's up
[00:51] <bluefox|gaming> getthearm: what is it?
[00:51] <getthearm> my sound card has serious problems when i install virtual box
[00:51] <teamcobra> what kinds of problems?
[00:52] <getthearm> as soon as i restart, theres a red x thru the volume control int e tray and when i double click it says gstreamer could not find a device
[00:53] <getthearm> that is, i restart when i install virtual box and before i set it up
[00:53] <teamcobra> hrm, try reinstalling your kernel modules package
[00:53] <teamcobra> it seems like vbox's modules hosed your sound modules
[00:54] <getthearm> yeah i thought it might have been an issue with my groups
[00:54] <getthearm> how do i reinstall my kernel modules
[00:54] <r0bby> :(((
[00:57] <getthearm> sorry i am a retard
[00:57] <getthearm> i have reinstalled ubuntu like 30 times because my computer hates me
[00:57] <getthearm> but i love it, this sound card problem blows tho
[00:57] <getthearm> its like the only thing holding me back
[00:58] <m13> does it work without virtualbox ?
[00:58] <getthearm> yeah
[00:58] <getthearm> its as soon as i install virtualbox thru apt-get
[00:58] <getthearm> and then it tells me to restart
[00:58] <m13> so why u instaled 25 more times ? :)
[00:58] <getthearm> well it was compiz at first ;-P
[00:59] <getthearm> now its virtualbox haha
[00:59] <getthearm> i am a n00b
[00:59] <getthearm> you can tell because i used zeros instead of o's for noob
[00:59] <jeffd> What is the info about the 3 month delay?
[00:59] <m13> yesterday joke jeffd
[00:59] <jeffd> ok
[01:00] <getthearm> how do i resintall my kernel modules?
[01:01] <m13> getthearm: did u add modules for vbox to kernel ?
[01:01] <getthearm> i dunno, i followed the lifehacker tut on "seamless ubuntu and xp"
[01:01] <getthearm> i didnt do anything much with the command line
[01:02] <getthearm> http://lifehacker.com/367714/run-windows-apps-seamlessly-inside-linux
[01:02] <m13> let me see
[01:02] <ph8> when's hardy's release date?
[01:02] <nosrednaekim> april 24
[01:02] <ph8> ta :o)
[01:02] <bluefox|gaming> should put it in the channel topic
[01:03]  * r0bby kicks the wall 
[01:03] <nosrednaekim> uhh the title does say when tis coming out :P
[01:03] <bluefox|gaming> >>
[01:04] <m13> getthearm: did u install ose-modules ?
[01:05] <verb3k> Whatever happened to the to the kernel scheduler bug? (I've been trying to find it's entry in launchpad but no luck so far)
[01:06] <Arand> Is anybody else having problems with wireless authentications?
[01:07] <getthearm> ya i installed virtualbox-ose-modules-generic
[01:07] <getthearm> the thing is my sound works before i install virtual box
[01:07] <m13> getthearm: u added user ?
[01:07] <getthearm> yeah sudo usermod -G vboxusers -a mike
[01:07] <getthearm> (mikes my acct name)
[01:08] <Arand> verb3k: that happened to me with another one, do a search and include all possible statuses "new, fix released (especially)" etc.
[01:09] <eythian> Hi, after the last updates and reboot, I've lost the nvidia driver and my wireless.
[01:09] <m13> what audio card u have and what driver u using ?
[01:09] <xNULL> alsa
[01:09] <verb3k> Arand, I see
[01:10] <linkinxp> how i update drivers? video drivers?
[01:10] <jbroome> linkinxp | !nvidia
[01:10] <getthearm> ok i have 2, i have an integrated intel HD and an audigy
[01:10] <Arand> I can get connection to the wireless just fine but when I try to put in certificate file and password it just dies, and then nm-applet starts crashing randomly, and asking for keyring authentications...
[01:10] <jbroome> !nvidia | linkinxp
[01:10] <ubotu> linkinxp: For Ati/NVidia/Matrox video cards, see https://help.ubuntu.com/community/BinaryDriverHowto
[01:10] <getthearm> i disabled the instal sound card in bios
[01:10] <getthearm> and am using the audigy 1
[01:10] <getthearm> intel* instead of instal
[01:11] <getthearm> oops lol
[01:11] <Arand> verb3k: If the bug has been fixed that is a likely cause
[01:11] <r0bby> whoa a lot of people are having issues :/.
[01:11] <verb3k> Arand, hope it is fixed, cause it affects the system's speed
[01:12] <linkinxp> humm ok thanks
[01:12] <linkinxp> but its an Intel 965 Gm
[01:13] <bluefox|gaming> w00t! a box of free hard drives and a wireless router! craislist == wins!
[01:14]  * bluefox|gaming needs lots of hard drives
[01:14] <eythian> $ sudo modprobe nvidia
[01:14] <eythian> FATAL: Error running install command for nvidia
[01:14] <eythian> any thoughts on that?
[01:14] <linkinxp> "o"
[01:14] <getthearm> nice bluefox
[01:15] <getthearm> craigslist is the shit
[01:17] <bluefox|gaming> getthearm: indeed^^. i got a 200$ maxtronic babyarena 3xide to scsi raid0/1/5 for $20 and a stick of ram!
[01:17] <getthearm> haha dope
[01:18] <getthearm> can anyone tell me why my soundcard isnt working after i install  virtualbox in hardy
[01:18] <getthearm> there is a red x thru my sound device in the tray
[01:18] <getthearm> i have no idea how to fix it
[01:19] <eythian> OK, something really wrong with modules:
[01:19] <eythian> sudo modprobe iwl3945
[01:19] <eythian> FATAL: Module iwl3945 not found.
[01:19] <literal> will hardy inclide Perl 5.10?
[01:19] <eythian> /lib/modules/2.6.24-12-generic/ubuntu/wireless/iwlwifi/iwlwifi/compatible/iwl3945.ko exists
[01:19] <literal> include*
[01:19] <bluefox|gaming> getthearm: got  a free 50pin seagate barracudda scsi 4.4 gig drive with it, and hes giving me a 9 gig later on once i trade a wificard or something for some 18 gig drives too!! and yesterday i got a pair of 9 gig 68 pin scsis for $5 each plus free 50pin 1988/89 100/200 meg drives XD[i dont mind old stuff]
[01:21] <eythian> OK, I figured it out. There was a kernel update to 2.6.24-13, but no restricted modules to match it, so all that stuff craps out.
[01:22] <getthearm> wow i love computer part hookupes
[01:22] <RAOF> eythian: But linux-meta hasn't been updated yet, right?  Did you manually pull in the 2.6.24-13 kernel?
[01:22] <getthearm> i am trying to build an LCD overhead prjector at the moment
[01:22] <getthearm> i want to find an old school overhead projector for like 20 bucks
[01:23] <Tuv0k> halfway there
[01:23] <Tuv0k> pulseaudio starts if I run it from cli
[01:24] <atlef> i thougt pulseaudio was enabled by default in hardy?
[01:24] <getthearm> red baron french bread pizzas are soooo tasty
[01:24] <atlef> *thought
[01:24] <Tuv0k> but not from boot?
[01:24] <eythian> RAOF: nope. I just ran updates, rebooted when I was told, and it failed to work.
[01:24] <bluefox|gaming> getthearm: lol. i could have grabbed one of those. my principal let me take w/e i needed from a room of junk before they demoed the building. tis wear i got me scsi adaptor and a few cables, plus a few copmuters worth of parts[forgot to grab PSUs or casings though o.<]
[01:25] <getthearm> damn, i worked for my school and got like 7 comps too
[01:26] <getthearm> but they never offered me an overhead projector, if they had i would be watching HD movies in 100" right now :-O
[01:26] <getthearm> i love free stuff :-D
[01:28] <RAOF> eythian: Hm.  I don't know why - linux-meta still points to -12, from what I can see?
[01:28] <eythian> brb
[01:29] <gluer> bluefox: so are you setting up hardy on this old stuff?
[01:32] <bluefox|gaming> gluer: i got a asus p2b-f with a p3@450 and 768 ram, nvidia tnt2 or sumfin[its unlabled], adaptec 2940w with a 4.4gb seagate barracuda 50pin scsi drive on itand two maxtor 200mb 50 drives[for docs], cmi8738 OEM PCI soundcard and 3com 10baset 10/100 cyclone ethernet adaptor in it, plus a lg dvdrom drive and 52x cdrom drive in it for kicks
[01:32] <bluefox|gaming> just finished installing hardy in it
[01:33] <bluefox|gaming> and just hit enter to reboot XD
[01:38] <num> anytime i use apt tools i get an error with timidity package, it claims that it needs to be reconfigured and errors occure. what can i do to correct this?
[01:38] <eythian> RAOF: I think it was virtualbox-ose-modules that pulled it in. I may have installed the -13 one by accident.
[01:40] <eythian> RAOF: ok, definitely virualbox, it forced the upgrade.
[01:40] <eythian> (I had manually installed the -12 ones, but an update or something pulled it up to -13)
[01:40] <RAOF> Ada!
[01:42] <bluefox|gaming> hehe, i figured out how to make pastebin readable again.
[01:42] <DarphBobo> what? delayed 3 months?
[01:42] <Dr_willis> num,  try sudo dpkg-reconfigure WHATEVERPACKATGENAME
[01:43] <atlef> DarphBobo:  haha
[01:43] <atlef> DarphBobo: aprilfools
[01:43] <atlef> i think
[01:43] <DarphBobo> ok, was that april fools joke?
[01:43] <DarphBobo> lol
[01:43] <num> Dr_willis: ok
[01:44] <getthearm> if i get rickrolled one more time
[01:44] <num> Dr_willis: it says /usr/sbin/dpkg-reconfigure: timidity is broken or not fully installed
[01:44] <eythian> you guys know that it's April 2nd in over half the world now, right? :)
[01:44] <getthearm> i swear
[01:44] <atlef> DarphBobo: but they should, then ff3 will be done, and not a beta
[01:44] <Dr_willis> num,  try removing it?
[01:44] <bluefox|gaming> GIRR!!!!
[01:44] <mneptok> getthearm: http://cgi.fark.com/cgi/fark/youtube.pl?IDLink=3507883
[01:45]  * bluefox|gaming needs an 'angry eyes' ascii emote...
[01:45] <atlef> i really do hate ff3, and its dependencies
[01:45] <bluefox|gaming> why will grub not boot from a scsi disk drive?
[01:45] <bluefox|gaming> they boot winblows fine <. <
[01:45] <RAOF> atlef: What are its' evil dependencies?
[01:45] <num> Dr_willis: removed, it was a midi to whatever converter. i dont even know what for this was installed
[01:46] <atlef> not possible to remove, screws with my ff2
[01:46] <Dr_willis> num,  :) easy enough eh..
[01:46] <num> Dr_willis: thank you!
[01:46] <DarphBobo> ff3 seems cool to me
[01:46] <atlef> RAOF: and a lot of the plugins will be removed if you remove ff3
[01:47] <icesword> come on,this is april 2 today
[01:47] <derspankster> not yet here
[01:47] <icesword> hmm
[01:47] <atlef> DarphBobo: i agree, but it is beta, and 8.04 is a LTS
[01:48] <atlef> DarphBobo: and the mozillateam will not be ready with ff3 until june as i understand
[01:48] <derspankster> FF3 is good but still needs a lot of work
[01:48] <RAOF> atlef: Ah, right.  So it's not actually the dependencies of ff3 that you don't like, it's things being dependant on ff3.  Right. (Is ff2 even in the archives still?)
[01:49] <m13> 0_o
[01:49] <derspankster> I'm sure it is
[01:49] <atlef> RAOF: yes, i have ff2 installed because of my extensions
[01:50] <toorima> im installing hardy with the alternate disk, due to encryption setup, but i get to pick between 3 kernels, linux-generic, linux-image-generic and linux-image-2.6.24-12-generic, whats the difference?
[01:50] <atlef> RAOF: try removing ff3 after you have installed ff2 and you will see what i mean
[01:50] <derspankster> Of course, I've only been running the beta since this morning
[01:50] <atlef> RAOF: it will also ruin your ff2 profile
[01:51] <RAOF> atlef: Oh, cool.  Bugs filed?
[01:51] <atlef> RAOF: yes, but no responce so far
[01:51] <linkinxp> hey guys i did this mkdir ~/src; cd ~/src; git-clone git://anongit.freedesktop.org/git/mesa/mes now what?? is the next step??
[01:51] <atlef> RAOF: maybe im alone on this one
[01:54] <atlef> RAOF: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/mplayerplug-in/+bug/204203
[01:54] <ubotu> Launchpad bug 204203 in mplayerplug-in "difficult to remove FF3 beta, and keep FF2 functionality" [Undecided,New]
[01:54] <Stroganoff> after upgrading from gutsy to hardy, the font size of the XDM login prompt is huge, no matter what Xresource file i use
[01:56] <dotech> the beta release notes link in the topic doesn't go to an existing wiki page
[01:56] <num> is there something like mathcad a calculus application alternatif?
[01:56] <dotech> actually it probably does, my client stinks :(
[01:56] <dotech> anyone know the full link? my topic cuts off after "Bet"
[01:57] <Pici> dotech: its not just you... hold on
[01:57] <RAOF> atlef: Oh, right.  That probably won't be fixed, because we'd (probably) need to build two plugins, one for ff2 & one for ff3.
[01:57] <Pici> dotech: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/HardyHeron/Beta
[01:57] <bluefox|gaming> i there a version of this >http://www.ubuntu.com/getubuntu/countdown i can use with a bb sig?
[01:58] <atlef> RAOF: that is most likely the case, but i need my extensions, so i will have to live with it till they are supported by ff3
[01:58] <RAOF> atlef: Yeah.  Sucks.
[01:59] <atlef> RAOF: but as i said, i get around it, but it is not ideal
[01:59] <toorima> im installing hardy 32bit with the alternate disk, but i get to pick between 3 kernels, linux-generic, linux-image-generic and linux-image-2.6.24-12-generic, whats the difference?
[02:00] <RAOF> toorima: That sounds like a bug.  All those kernels are the same, at various dependency levels.
[02:00] <RAOF> toorima: Choose linux-generic.
[02:00] <atlef> RAOF: and as long as i use the profilemanager to start ff2 i can live with it
[02:00] <dotech> cool thanks :)
[02:01] <gluer> 3 month delay???
[02:01] <toorima> RAOF: ok thx
[02:01] <dotech> i was building a new pc this week that i was hoping to upgrade to Hardy, how can I help to make this happen sooner?
[02:01] <dotech> I am an experienced programmer
[02:02] <dotech> definitely installing the beta
[02:02] <tritium> dotech: that's all you need to do.  Just keep up with the updates, and you'll have Hardy.
[02:02] <dotech> i have a fairly rare system too, 2 PCI-E 16x nvidia graphics cards and 3 monitors
[02:03] <dotech> so i want to do as much as i can to help
[02:04] <dotech> tritium, will do
[02:04] <m13> i have amd64 939 , could i put opteron procesor on this motherboard with hardy installed ?
[02:04] <luddite_> hi i updated to new dev branch from beta 3(fresh install) and now it wont get past LOADING. PLEASE WAIT
[02:07] <dotech> the only downside for me is that i have very limited experience with Ubuntu, i have been using various distros of Linux for years though
[02:08] <r0bby> argh
[02:09] <ph8> Hi all - is anyone using Xen on Hardy by any chance?
[02:09] <ph8> I've just upgraded and lost all my DomU networking, it was working fine before upgrade - wondering if anyone's had similar problems
[02:09] <nomasteryoda> dotech, used debian?
[02:09] <dotech> yes, often, i know Ubuntu is the successor of Debian, sort of
[02:10] <nomasteryoda> spawn of the debian more or less
[02:10] <nomasteryoda> debian still kicks tail
[02:10] <dotech> for the most part i know the package manager
[02:10] <nomasteryoda> using it on my ppc imac
[02:10] <dotech> so thats really all i need to get past most hurdles
[02:10] <nomasteryoda> ya
[02:10] <nomasteryoda> apt-get is the best
[02:10] <dotech> haha i wish i had a ppc imac
[02:10] <dotech> i got the new intel macbook
[02:11] <nomasteryoda> ah
[02:11] <dotech> i happen to be a ppc expert
[02:11] <nomasteryoda> cool
[02:11] <nomasteryoda> i sold an old macbook... like the 1st gen for 30$ at a yardsale last month
[02:11] <dotech> hahah
[02:11] <nomasteryoda> had os8.1 and yellowdog 3.0 on it
[02:11] <dotech> they go for much more than that these days, i got the cheapest model at a discount for a grand
[02:11] <nomasteryoda> it was assembled from the dumpster
[02:12] <nomasteryoda> ya
[02:12] <dotech> lol
[02:12] <dotech> yellowdog
[02:12] <nomasteryoda> yup
[02:12] <dotech> i used that for a week or so
[02:12] <nomasteryoda> slow with only 40mb ram, but worked
[02:12] <nomasteryoda> hehe
[02:12] <luddite_> dotech: i cant get wireless 802.11g USB dongle to work on a old macbook PPC
[02:12] <luddite_> i was going to smash it
[02:12] <dotech> lol
[02:12] <nomasteryoda> ya i had over 300 updates to debian etch on this one
[02:12] <nomasteryoda> lol
[02:12] <luddite_> but it would be usefull as roaming arounf the house
[02:12] <nomasteryoda> the macbook or the dongle?
[02:12] <nomasteryoda> hehe
[02:12] <luddite_> macbook
[02:12] <dotech> well i know the CPU itself, the architecture, but device drivers for an OS is another story
[02:13] <nomasteryoda> friend at work told me to drive over to her house and she'd give me a G4
[02:13] <nomasteryoda> complete system
[02:13] <frederic> hello all. is there someone that could help me ... I cut / paste a directory from my Destop to another place. paste didn't work and it seems my data are lost. How may I recover them ? thanks !
[02:13] <dotech> i gave up on Gentoo, i had much more than 300 updates
[02:13] <dotech> and on my 1ghz amd thunderbird that was a daunting task
[02:13] <frederic> did cut/past with stupid right click into nautilus (gnome).
[02:14] <dotech> new d-link switches smell pretty good
[02:14] <dotech> even has a nice "green ethernet" logo indicating that it consumes less power, haha.
[02:16] <ZiggyFish_laptop> I'm having a problem with gdm, I was told by Nith (in #ubuntu to ask in this channel)
[02:16] <ZiggyFish_laptop> gdm hang before i get to log in
[02:17] <Stroganoff> after upgrading from gutsy to hardy, the font size of the XDM login prompt is huge, no matter what Xresource file i use. any ideas?
[02:17] <ZiggyFish_laptop> any ideas
[02:18] <derspankster> how big is it?
[02:18] <linkinxp> hello why i get this???  *** No rule to make target `/home/linkinxp/src/mesa/makefile.mgw'.
[02:19] <ZiggyFish_laptop> anyone
[02:19] <L33tMasta> So I'm still having an issue with shutting down/ restarting causing my screen to start displaying odd color lines and flicker
[02:20] <Pici> linkinxp: You really shouldnt have to do anything special to that model's drivers working
[02:20] <linkinxp> now?
[02:20] <linkinxp> no?
[02:20] <linkinxp> well everything its special cause im new in this
[02:20] <fatrat> aloalo.. lil.help. want to dl 8.04B, but is it poss to update to LTS once released or better to wait?
[02:20] <Pici> linkinxp: If you're brand new, you probably shouldn't be using the beta version
[02:21] <linkinxp> Pici:  true
[02:21] <linkinxp> Pici:  well im getting the Stable then
[02:21] <Pici> Beta = Buggy && Less Support
[02:21] <linkinxp> ill be back :D
[02:21] <linkinxp> lol
[02:26] <L33tMasta> Anyone have an ideas on how I can fix the screen issue? Honesly it can't be good for the moniter
[02:26] <eythian> L33tMasta: what video card?
[02:27] <L33tMasta> 8600M GT
[02:27] <eythian> installed nvidia-glx-new?
[02:27] <eythian> (and using it?)
[02:27] <L33tMasta> Yep
[02:27] <quentusrex> smb video play seems broken....
[02:28] <quentusrex> I can't open a windows share, and double click to play a video file... I have to manually copy it to my computer, then play it....
[02:28] <eythian> L33tMasta: nvidia-settings tell you anything useful
[02:28] <quentusrex> Is this a known bug???
[02:28] <eternal_p> g'evening all...I am having an odd flash problem, any flash video freezes after two seconds
[02:28] <eythian> eternal_p: install libflashsupport?
[02:29] <fatrat> 'reading' Ubuntu Hairy Hardon LOL
[02:29] <L33tMasta> What's the command for  nvidia-setting
[02:29] <eternal_p> eythian: already installed
[02:29] <eythian> quentusrex: I just tested it from a samba share, and it works fine.
[02:29] <eternal_p> it does work, just hangs after two seconds of video
[02:29] <atlef> eternal_p: do you use any mediaplayer at the same time
[02:29] <eternal_p> nope, nothing
[02:30] <eythian> eternal_p: got the sound settings set to pulseaudio, and is pulseaudio running? It isn't stuck (I've had that happen a couple of times...try killall pulsaudio and restarting it)
[02:30] <ZiggyFish_laptop> anyway fixed my problem
[02:30] <eythian> L33tMasta: 'nvidia-settings'
[02:30] <linkinxp> when 8.04 comes Fully Supported will 7.04 update by itself? or do i need to install it again?
[02:30] <L33tMasta> Wow..It's not installed?
[02:30] <eternal_p> eythian: right now, everything is set to auto detect
[02:31] <eythian> eternal_p: perhaps try forcing it to pulseaudio. I'm thinking the audio buffers fill in 2 secs and it stalls. I've heard of it happening.
[02:31] <RAOF> linkinxp: If you are running Gutsy (7.10) (or Dapper (6.06), I think) you will be asked whether you want to upgrade.
[02:31] <L33tMasta> Alright installed. lemme take a look
[02:31] <RAOF> linkinxp: If you're running Feisty, you'll need to upgrade to Gutsy first, then to Hardy.
[02:31] <atlef> eythian: this has happend to me
[02:32] <RAOF> linkinxp: The upgrade-manager will handle this
[02:32] <linkinxp> RAOF:  nice so what about if im running the beta??
[02:33] <eternal_p> eythian: same thing, I will trying to kill pulseaudio
[02:33] <eythian> linkinxp: it'll just work
[02:33] <RAOF> linkinxp: Hardy beta?  You'll continually update until you hit the release.
[02:33] <eythian> linkinxp: you don't upgrade from the beta to the release, it just ends up being the release
[02:33] <linkinxp> nice! well then i will continue with the beta
[02:34] <linkinxp> eythian:  RAOF u see the problem is with the Intel 965 Gm drivers i have the generics no the real ones
[02:34] <eternal_p> eythian: good call
[02:34] <L33tMasta> eythian: Maybe I'm not looking at the right options but everything looks good
[02:34] <eythian> linkinxp: I don't know anything about Intel video
[02:34] <eythian> eternal_p: cool
[02:35] <eythian> L33tMasta: your monitor is correctly plugged in? (stupid question, but you never know)
[02:35] <L33tMasta> Laptop
[02:35] <linkinxp> :D
[02:35] <eternal_p> eythian: ty
[02:36] <eythian> L33tMasta: ah. Hmm. running compiz? Tried disabling it?
[02:36] <teamcobra> ldap is making my box refuse to start (hangs at starting kernel log daemon)
[02:36] <eythian> L33tMasta: oh, just shutdown/startup
[02:36] <teamcobra> I did, however, get recovery mode working
[02:36] <eternal_p> eythian: can pulse audio handle multiple audio devices at once?
[02:36] <eythian> L33tMasta: I've seen that now I think about it, I assumed it was a bug in the nvidia drivers.
[02:37] <eythian> eternal_p: yep, it does it well. And it works over a network.
[02:37] <L33tMasta> Yea. As soon as X closes I get a messed up screen
[02:37] <linkinxp> RAOF:  how the make command works?
[02:37] <L33tMasta> Looks like a program is running but control-c doesn't shut anything down
[02:37] <eythian> eternal_p: install padevchooser, paman, pavucontrol and you'll get all the cool toys.
[02:38] <eternal_p> eythian: odd then, I have my wine'ed slingbox and youtube, I get: Error opening PCM device front:0: Device or resource busy
[02:38] <JohnPhys> anyone notice that Human-murrine is gone from the "controls" themes that can be selected?
[02:38] <eythian> L33tMasta: I think the only solution is to get nvidia to fix it :/ it doesn't happen on my laptop any more it seems, but it did in gutsy. It would also do a thing that look like a TV with a broken v-hold.
[02:39] <eythian> eternal_p: oh, only multiple programs if they all use pulseaudio. It's a PITA. Use 'pasuspender program' to pause pulse, and release the soundcard.
[02:39] <eternal_p> that already sounds like more trouble than its worth
[02:40] <eternal_p> I would assume that it just would not play a la windows
[02:40] <eythian> eternal_p: http://www.pulseaudio.org/wiki/PerfectSetup you can force older ALSA programs to use it, details there
[02:40] <eythian> eternal_p: however, wine's alsa plugin is buggy and doesn't work with it. I have everything else working with the custom .asoundrc that it describes on that page.
[02:41] <eternal_p> eythian: or I just won't slingbox and youtube at the same time :)
[02:41] <eternal_p> Jay's game is just about over any ways
[02:42] <linkinxp> how i keep the shorcuts of my windows shared folders from being deleted when i restart???
[02:42] <eythian> eternal_p: yeah, if you use pasuspender it'll take care of it for you. I know rhythmbox pauses, and then resumes when the other thing finishes.
[02:43] <eythian> linkinxp: tell it to bookmark them I think. Although, they might hang around in the places menu anyway. The ssh thing I did does, can't remember if I told it to bookmark or not.
[02:43] <eythian> I guess I did actually..
[02:43] <eternal_p> eythian: i'll take a look, thanks!@
[02:43] <linkinxp> eythian:  is the ones in the desktop
[02:44] <linkinxp> eythian:  when i go to a shared folder it creates a shortcut but it gets deleted when i reboot
[02:44] <eythian> eternal_p: I spent a while learning all this over the past few days, trying to make halflife 2 have sound again :)
[02:44] <eythian> linkinxp: ah, not sure then. I don't do that much.
[02:44] <linkinxp> eythian:  thanks anyway :)
[02:45] <eternal_p> eythian: the residant expert :)
[02:45] <eythian> eternal_p: procrastination is an educational tool :)
[02:46] <nickwebcoukok> any ideas on how to watch dvd's in 8.04? I've installed the restricted drivers package, but still no joy :(
[02:47] <nosrednaekim> !dvd
[02:47] <ubotu> For playing DVD, see http://help.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/desktopguide/C/video.html - "libdvdcss2" can be found at !Medibuntu or (for Feisty and earlier) http://wiki.ubuntu.com/SeveasPackages - Try k9copy (available in !Universe) for backing up DVDs
[02:48] <JohnPhys> nickwebcoukok:  What specific steps did you take?  I've got dvd's working in 8.04 w/o medibuntu
[02:48] <eternal_p> eythian: hear hear
[02:48] <nickwebcoukok> just installed the system
[02:48] <nickwebcoukok> and installed mythtv
[02:48] <nickwebcoukok> wouldnt play DVD's, so tried totem
[02:48] <nickwebcoukok> and that gave me the Unable to read from media error
[02:49] <nickwebcoukok> had a look through the packages, and installed anything that could be related to DVD playing (restricted formats) etc.
[02:51] <Ashex> trying to get a laptop to use a tv as it's main screen
[02:52] <L33tMasta> Anyone know a good universal repository?
[02:52] <aaahhh> so, latest updates killed my audio
[02:52] <Ashex> bios and ubuntu loading screen display on TV
[02:52] <aaahhh> :(
[02:52] <Ashex> but once X loads, it switches to the laptop
[02:52] <Ashex> is there any way yo set the external display as the primary monitor manually?
[02:52] <aaahhh> yea
[02:52] <aaahhh> edit your xorg.conf
[02:52] <aaahhh> file
[02:52] <Ashex> displayconfig-gtk isn't working very well
[02:53] <aaahhh> the gui config for x is still a little icky for advanced config
[02:53] <aaahhh> configs*
[02:53] <Ashex> any idea what specifically to add in?
[02:53] <aaahhh> what card you have?
[02:53] <Ashex> um
[02:53] <Ashex> old school ATI radeon card
[02:54] <RAOF> Ashex: xrandr will help.
[02:54] <IdleOne> !dvd | nickwebcoukok
[02:54] <RAOF> Ashex: You actually won't need to edit your xorg.conf at all, you can do this all dynamically.
[02:54] <ubotu> nickwebcoukok: For playing DVD, see http://help.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/desktopguide/C/video.html - "libdvdcss2" can be found at !Medibuntu or (for Feisty and earlier) http://wiki.ubuntu.com/SeveasPackages - Try k9copy (available in !Universe) for backing up DVDs
[02:54] <aaahhh> true
[02:55] <RAOF> Ashex: Also, system->Preferences->Screen Resolution may help (you could turn off your laptop screen, leaving only the TV.  Only do this if the TV shows up there, though!)
[02:55] <aaahhh> anyone have any ideas why my audio died
[02:55] <aaahhh> i have a nvidia card
[02:55] <aaahhh> nforce 4 audio
[02:55] <r0bby> :<
[02:55] <aaahhh> but when i updated it died
[02:55] <Ashex> RAOF, I'll look into it
[02:55] <aaahhh> it died before i restarted after the kernel update
[02:55] <r0bby> mmm
[02:55] <aaahhh> so i don't think it's the kernel
[02:56] <Ashex> I was just trying to do it with displayconfig-gtk
[02:56] <IdleOne> RAOF, that little script to move files from ubuntu pc to windows pc did not work :/ the rsync thing...
[02:56] <Ashex> Right now I'm seeing if booting off the live cd will have it display on the tv
[02:56] <Ashex> I installed with it disconnected
[02:56] <Ashex> aaaand no dice
[02:56] <r0bby> :/
[02:57] <aaahhh> Ashex
[02:57] <aaahhh> what type of output to the tv
[02:57] <ampex2> IdleOne: what are you trying to do?
[02:57] <aaahhh> is it just an rgb cable or is it svideo?
[02:57] <Ashex> aaahhh, rgb, so standard vga connector
[02:57] <aaahhh> i see
[02:57] <IdleOne> ampex2, trying to rsync a folder on ubuntu pc to windows pc
[02:57] <Ashex> trying to get it to output 640x480
[02:57] <ampex2> IdleOne: is rsync installed on the windows pc?
[02:57] <DanaG> Why are my things in /etc/cron.daily not running?
[02:58] <IdleOne> hmmm I dont think so
[02:58] <Ashex> currently it's just a proof of concept type of thing
[02:58] <ampex2> IdleOne: neither ubuntu or windows talk rsync out of the box
[02:58] <hrlr> Can anyone help me confirm this bug?:  https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/network-manager/+bug/210095
[02:58] <ubotu> Launchpad bug 210095 in network-manager "NM doesn't pass hostname to DHCP server" [Undecided,New]
[02:58] <ampex2> IdleOne: why setup a windows share and just mount it directly on ubuntu?
[02:58] <ampex2> IdleOne: why not rather
[02:59] <Ashex> this laptop is sloowww
[02:59] <guspad> DanaG, crond down ? check /var/log/crond (or something like that) or /var/log/messages
[02:59] <Ashex> 1.8Ghz celeron, but the drive is 4200rpm
[02:59] <IdleOne> ampex2, why do it that way when I can do it the hard way :)
[03:00] <ampex2> IdleOne: if you want to use rsync, you'll have to get something like cwrsyncserver setup on the windows machine
[03:01] <IdleOne> ampex2, I could always just manualy move the files over I just figured I would try being lazy and see if I couldnt get it setup
[03:01] <ampex2> IdleOne: cwrsyncserver is nice
[03:01] <ampex2> IdleOne: but it requires some configuration out of the "box"
[03:01] <IdleOne> I will take a look at it
[03:01] <aaahhh> rsync is nice if you sync often
[03:02] <Ashex> RAOF, the external connection shows up in screen resolution
[03:02] <aaahhh> for one time transfers just use sftp or scp
[03:02] <Ashex> but changing the resolution to 640x480 and clicking apply does nothing
[03:03] <Ashex> RAOF, changing both to 640x480 only changes main screen too (was testing which was which)
[03:06] <Ashex> hmm
[03:06] <Ashex> I'll keep working on this after dinner
[03:06] <Ashex> the card is an ati radeon Mobility M7
[03:07] <Ashex> is there any driver I can use aside from the "ati" driver?
[03:07] <Ashex> framebuffer or flgrx?
[03:07] <levmatta> every update I did today just destroyed my system, now even the gnome theme is broken
[03:07] <levmatta> any ideas why my Human theme is blue ??????
[03:07] <JohnPhys> levmatta:  yeah, I noticed that the human-murrine is gone
[03:08] <JohnPhys> levmatta:  that's just the "controls" part though, go to appearance -> theme and select human in the meantime
[03:08] <levmatta> did that
[03:09] <levmatta> thanks JohnPhys
[03:09] <levmatta> why is everything strange today? the kernel xxx.13 is totally broken for one
[03:09] <JohnPhys> levmatta:  odd, I haven't received a kernel update
[03:10] <aaahhh> i did
[03:10] <levmatta> I installed the xxx.13 by half (modules for example did not install)
[03:11] <aaahhh> ok so pulse audio is not detecting my nvidia sound card
[03:11] <aaahhh> it just says sinks, simultaneous output
[03:11] <aaahhh> in devices
[03:11] <aaahhh> not sure what happened
[03:11] <levmatta> aaahhh: I have the same problem with audio, but I gess it is because os the modules thing
[03:11] <aaahhh> broke after apt-get update earlier
[03:12] <levmatta> aaahhh: check if you have the modules of xxx.13 installed
[03:12] <RyanPrior> What's with the new Human theme? It's totally borked!
[03:12] <aaahhh> not really
[03:12] <levmatta> RyanPrior: mine is also
[03:12] <aaahhh> oh as in the gnome theme?
[03:12] <aaahhh> i guess im using clearlooks
[03:13] <Luckrider> does anyone know if FF Beta 3 Verson 4 offers sound
[03:13] <aaahhh> doesn't look broken
[03:13] <Luckrider> I can't get it to work in youtube or Pandora
[03:13] <aaahhh> offers sound?
[03:13] <RyanPrior> The interface has been looking really slick with the latest Human, but it just regressed to something straight out of 1992.
[03:13] <aaahhh> dude, get the latest version of flash
[03:13] <JohnPhys> The "controls" human-murrine theme seems to have been removed in the latest updates, that's why the theme for many people is messed up.
[03:13] <Luckrider> I have the latest version
[03:13] <Luckrider> but there is no sound
[03:13] <aaahhh> well, my sound just broke
[03:14] <RyanPrior> JohnPhys: Do you know of a workaround?
[03:14] <Luckrider> that sucks
[03:14] <aaahhh> but it was working with firefox before
[03:14] <Luckrider> oh
[03:14] <Luckrider> see
[03:14] <Luckrider> sound works with everthing else
[03:14] <Luckrider> I am gonna try a different browser
[03:15] <JohnPhys> RyanPrior:  well, the theme may still exist on the system somewhere (I dont know), but at least it's not selectable.  I just selected teh "Human" theme in the appearance -> themes applet until it gets fixed, so now it looks gutsy-esque
[03:15] <JohnPhys> On a side note, that vertical orange bar on the left side of all menus in human-murrine should be thinned up *just* a bit, some menus look crowded with it
[03:16] <mneptok> JohnPhys: to whom are you addressing such sentiments?
[03:16] <mneptok> JohnPhys: $DEITY or actual developers? :)
[03:17] <levmatta> any knows what is going on with the packages?
[03:17] <mneptok> "stuff"
[03:18] <levmatta> ohhh, I waited the entire day I can wait a lot more
[03:18] <JohnPhys> mneptok:  just expressing an opinion, that's all :)  I'll always have regular human if it doesn't get thinned up, and I'd rather the devs work on some of the other bugs I filed (rendering latex in inkscape & subpixed font rendering issues in qt apps & gnome terminal) rather than thinning up some orange bar :)
[03:18] <JohnPhys> *subpixel
[03:22] <levmatta> just to query: anyone else having problems with the clock applet
[03:22] <levmatta> ?
[03:22] <IdleOne> such as?
[03:22] <earl_> did the latest round of updates break anyone else's system?
[03:22] <aaahhh> yea
[03:22] <levmatta> earl_:  Very much yes
[03:22] <aaahhh> audio is broked
[03:22] <earl_> it broke mine, i had to change to another visual theme in appearances
[03:22] <JohnPhys> earl_ : please provide more info, such as what "break ones system" means
[03:23] <IdleOne> I havent had any updates since yesterday morning
[03:23] <aaahhh> it appears that the human theme is messed up
[03:23] <earl_> yes, quite
[03:23] <crweb> IdleOne: theres a whole huge batch in the last few hours
[03:23] <levmatta> IdleOne: such as it not opening and freezing the entire gnome-panel
[03:23] <aaahhh> hmmm
[03:23] <IdleOne> levmatta, nope dont have that
[03:23] <aaahhh> i didn't get that bug
[03:23] <IdleOne> crweb, hmmm strange
[03:24] <IdleOne> crweb, seems I needed to to an update before dist-upgrade
[03:24] <earl_> well after i installed the newest round of updates, i restarted and gdm froze on startup
[03:24] <levmatta> it is really destructive, and to me is usually happens when I am not connected
[03:24] <earl_> before i could log in
[03:25] <IdleOne> here we go
[03:25] <earl_> had to ctrlalt-F2, sudo rm tmp-lock, startx. and when x started, there was some hideous theme from like 1995.
[03:25] <crweb> i think i might hold off for a bit ;)
[03:26] <levmatta> IdleOne: the clock applet bug is happening right now, I click it and it fails to open
[03:26] <earl_> pretty sure it's the modified version of the human theme that comes as default that's broken. "human" is still available, just not "custom" as the dialog's been calling it.
[03:26] <levmatta> and the hole bar goes numb
[03:27] <JohnPhys> earl_ : yes, the part of that theme which is new, the "human-murrine" controls, seems to have been removed
[03:27] <earl_> intentionally?
[03:27] <IdleOne> levmatta, was this after updates?
[03:27] <levmatta> no
[03:28] <JohnPhys> earl_:  no idea, I noticed some theme packages were updated, maybe an old one slipped in that didn't include human-murrine, though I think that'd be unlikely
[03:28] <IdleOne> levmatta, check dmesg see if it tells you anything
[03:28] <levmatta> if I kill the gnome-panel process it Usually comes back
[03:28] <JohnPhys> earl_:  I'd expect it to return shortly
[03:28] <tkooda> what's the "one sentance description" on how stable hardy desktop is right now?  (got new dell D830 laptop and figured I'd try just install hardy now instead of upgrading in a few weeks)
[03:28] <Riskbreaker> JohnPhys: i look forward to it
[03:28] <aaahhh> tkooda, it was extremely stable yesterday
[03:28] <Riskbreaker> tkooda: it wasn't bad until today. lol
[03:29] <JohnPhys> tkooda:  Still unstable enough where you don't want to install it as your main os yet, unless you want ot help with testing and filing bugs.
[03:29] <aaahhh> latest batch of updates b0rked a lot of stuff
[03:29] <JohnPhys> Riskbreaker:  That's just a guess, I'm not a dev or anything.
[03:29] <aaahhh> i actually use it as my main OS
[03:29] <Riskbreaker> JohnPhys: it sounds reasonable to me
[03:29] <tkooda> url with list of broken stuff?  -so I can decide if I can deal with it as my primary os?
[03:30] <aaahhh> well it depends on your system
[03:30] <IdleOne> tkooda, all depends on your hardware
[03:30] <yotux> Is hardy still going to be delayed in release?
[03:30] <JohnPhys> aaahhh:  I'm just saying, if there's something he uses specifically that's broken, he'll want to stay away.  Me, for instance, I use the "rendering latex in inkscape" feature regularly, and since that is broken in hardy (still), I don't use it as my main os yet.  That's what spare partitions are for :)
[03:30] <aaahhh> almost everything works, but the human theme is a little messed up with the updates a little while ago
[03:30] <tkooda> dell D830.  if there's a list somewhere I can prolly figure out what'll affect me
[03:30] <levmatta> IdleOne: I could not identify anything
[03:31] <aaahhh> JohnPhys, that's when i compile it from source
[03:31] <IdleOne> levmatta, dont know what to tell you. report to launchpad.net
[03:31] <levmatta> yeah, thanks again
[03:31] <aaahhh> i compiled mplayer, from source so i could use coreavc :D
[03:32] <aaahhh> well patched mplayer
[03:32] <levmatta> on yeat another problem, I have a dell inspiron 1525 and the card reader did not work
[03:32] <levmatta> I have no clue on what to do
[03:32] <aaahhh> report it to launchpad
[03:32] <JohnPhys> aaahhh: yeah, though I like to keep my installs as "vanilla" as possible, so that things are updated nicely through the package manager.  Also, that latex thing is affecting source too, I think.  It's not just a hardy issue iirc
[03:32] <aaahhh> ah
[03:32] <aaahhh> well, compiz is still pretty broken
[03:33] <aaahhh> well not broken per say, but it doesn't work with xv
[03:33] <Riskbreaker> compiz is most definitely not broken and most definitely works with xv.
[03:33] <Riskbreaker> duck season!
[03:33] <crdlb> the only setup left where that doesn't work is fglrx
[03:33] <aaahhh> oh really
[03:33] <aaahhh> when was that fixed
[03:33] <levmatta> compiz is not broken, it just has occasional problems
[03:34] <aaahhh> well, i meant the xv problem
[03:34] <aaahhh> it works fine in general
[03:34] <aaahhh> xv, as in full screen video output
[03:34] <crdlb> Xv has worked with nvidia forever, with all the open source driver cards since gutsy (except for the intel X3000/3100)
[03:34] <levmatta> it does not work with Google Earth and Blender though
[03:35] <crdlb> and now it works with the X3100 in hardy
[03:35] <aaahhh> not-xjjk, i mean Xv works with nvidia
[03:35] <levmatta> any one on card readers????
[03:35] <aaahhh> but when i turn on compiz i can't see the video
[03:35] <crdlb> yes, I mean "Xv with compiz" when I say "Xv"
[03:36] <JohnPhys> levmatta:  no idea on the card readers
[03:36] <aaahhh> yup
[03:36] <levmatta> oh yeah for me the video does not follow the screen until a delay
[03:36] <aaahhh> just tried it
[03:36] <aaahhh> it plays fine, except in full screen
[03:36] <aaahhh> i think it's some opacity issue i believe
[03:36] <brianlight> anyone having crazy mouse issues today in hardy
[03:36] <crdlb> are your fullscreen windows not completely opaque?
[03:36] <atlef> brianlight: but no, have not experienced it
[03:37] <aaahhh> they are
[03:37] <aaahhh> also i have dual screens
[03:37] <levmatta> JohnPhys: thanks, in the past there was an application that listed all my hardware. now I cannot find it
[03:37] <aaahhh> but it plays fine moving from one to another
[03:37] <levmatta> also compiz negative is totally broken
[03:37] <aaahhh> just doesn't video, freezes frame when in full screen
[03:38] <brianlight> started haveing issue after a reboot after updating one of the packages that was updated was xserver-xorg-input
[03:38] <aaahhh> but right now my main problem is sound :(
[03:38] <levmatta> brianlight: Harddy is totally broken today
[03:38] <brianlight> cruel april fools joke
[03:39] <aaahhh> no really
[03:39] <aaahhh> it is broke
[03:39] <levmatta> I would recomend not updating and booting to the xxx.12 kernel
[03:39] <aaahhh> oh god, is this some type of jokes from the developers
[03:39] <aaahhh> release broked updates
[03:39] <levmatta> that may be itt
[03:39] <JohnPhys> lol nice thought, but I doubt it
[03:40] <JohnPhys> if it were, they should have just changed everyone's background, or the usplash
[03:40] <levmatta> broken and false dependencies, take that joke Synaptic
[03:40] <aaahhh> i doubt that would go nicely with the users
[03:40] <brianlight> so what's all broken today?
[03:40] <JohnPhys> or autostarted a rickroll in firefox upon boot
[03:40] <aaahhh> brb, rebooting and seeing if reverting back to older kernel works
[03:41] <eythian> aaahhh: you have virtualbox installed?
[03:41] <levmatta> my sound, wireless, the modules package of the new kernel is not available
[03:41] <aaahhh> yea
[03:41] <levmatta> the them
[03:41] <aaahhh> i do
[03:41] <levmatta> theme
[03:41] <aaahhh> why?
[03:41] <aaahhh> did virtualbox modules break it?
[03:41] <levmatta> virtualbox updated today but is fine for me
[03:42] <tkooda> where can I find a list of current hardy bugs?  (perhaps one of these??:  https://launchpad.net/ubuntu/+milestone/ubuntu-8.04.1  or  https://launchpad.net/ubuntu/+milestone/later  )
[03:42] <brianlight> I'm sure the xserver-xorg-input packages gave me crazy mouse
[03:42] <levmatta> keep in mind that I booted to the old kernel
[03:42] <aaahhh> lol
[03:42] <eythian> aaahhh: virtualbox modules pulled in the -13 kernel, which isn't released proper yet.
[03:42] <aaahhh> damn
[03:42] <eythian> So no restricted modules come with.
[03:42] <aaahhh> well it shouldn't be a restricted module
[03:43] <brianlight> I'm getting false left clicks when I move my mouse around
[03:43] <eythian> probably didn't get ubuntu-specific modules either.
[03:43] <aaahhh> yea
[03:43] <aaahhh> probably
[03:43] <aaahhh> i tried search synaptic
[03:43] <aaahhh> but no luck
[03:43] <JohnPhys> aha, that would explain why I didn't get the -13 kernel pulled in (no virtualbox install)
[03:43] <aaahhh> for the modules
[03:43] <eythian> for now, tell grub to start -12 until -13 is updated.
[03:43] <aaahhh> ill try using .12
[03:43] <aaahhh> yea
[03:43] <aaahhh> ill do that
[03:44] <aaahhh> you know with all the special, gui tools in ubuntu, i still find it faster just to go directly to the conf file
[03:44] <levmatta> bye people and thanks for all the help
[03:44] <luddite_> same
[03:44] <DanaG> Can anybody tell me what syntax this is:
[03:44] <DanaG> #@ignore = qw( **/cache **/Cache **/nobackup );
[03:44] <eythian> DanaG: perl
[03:44] <DanaG> or rather, without comment mark.
[03:44] <aaahhh> it is perl
[03:44] <aaahhh> i believe
[03:44] <DanaG> How would I make it also match .cache and .Cache and .thumbnails?
[03:45] <luddite_> i just saw a new laptop for AUS$410. Celeron 1.8 M, 2.5GB ram, 80GB HD. Wow
[03:45] <eythian> DanaG: probably just add **/.cache etc to that list
[03:45] <alex_mayorga> how's the "right" way to test Firefox nightly builds in Ubuntu?
[03:45] <DanaG> Does it take the dot as 'any char' like bash?
[03:45] <eythian> luddite_: we have NZ$600 laptops preinstalled with ubuntu being sold here
[03:45] <aaahhh> you can install it in usr/local
[03:45] <aaahhh> and then test it
[03:46] <aaahhh> and make clean if you don't like
[03:46] <aaahhh> make uninstall*
[03:46] <aaahhh> oh, actual builds
[03:46] <eythian> DanaG: I don't think bash uses '.' as 'any'. But, perl regexes do, so it depends how it uses it.
[03:47] <aaahhh> you might need to do \.
[03:47] <aaahhh> but im not that familiar with perl, i'd have to look at it's little quirks
[03:47] <aaahhh> brb reverting to .12 kernel
[03:48] <Riskbreaker> is anyone running a broadcom 43series wireless chip?
[03:48] <alex_mayorga> I have 74 updates to go, any heavy breakage ahead?
[03:48] <alex_mayorga> Riskbreaker: I am
[03:48] <aaahhh> yea
[03:48] <aaahhh> if you use the human theme
[03:48] <aaahhh> it's currently a little borked
[03:48] <alex_mayorga> aaahhh: bug?
[03:49] <eythian> human is working fine for me...
[03:49] <aaahhh> well i think it's a dependency
[03:49] <mneptok> this is why you should always install a window manager as well as a desktop environment :)
[03:49] <eythian> oh, I take that back. I'm apparently not using human.
[03:49] <aaahhh> i personally don't use it
[03:49]  * mneptok hugs Openbox
[03:49] <aaahhh> the orange makes my eyes cry
[03:49] <Riskbreaker> are you running the b43-fwcutter driver or ndiswrapper
[03:49] <DanaG> I like orange, myself.
[03:50] <aaahhh> didn't they release an opensource driver
[03:50] <aaahhh> i thought it worked with wpa2
[03:50] <DanaG> oh yeah, does perl regex use * for "one or more of previous" or for "any of any character"?
[03:51] <aaahhh> http://www.troubleshooters.com/codecorn/littperl/perlreg.htm
[03:51] <alex_mayorga> Riskbreaker, b43
[03:51] <aaahhh> ok im really rebooting now
[03:52] <Riskbreaker> are you having problems with speed?
[03:52] <eythian> DanaG: the first one.
[03:52] <HorizonXP> hey, I'm trying to dual-boot Ubuntu and Mac OS X; Ubuntu works fine, but when I select Mac OSX in the GRUB menu, I get Error 13: Invalid or unsupported executable format. Any help?
[03:53] <DanaG> What's with the double asterisk, then?
[03:53] <alex_mayorga> Riskbreaker, I'm having problems with range, not speed
[03:53] <Riskbreaker> well the common thread is that there's problems. =)
[03:53] <alex_mayorga> but I have to be in the same room that my router
[03:53] <alex_mayorga> not that I have much more rooms to go to :)
[03:54] <eythian> DanaG: no idea. In java (well, ant) that means 'any number of directories', followed by whatever comes after
[03:54] <alex_mayorga> so no one doing nightly firefox build testing?
[03:56] <eythian> DanaG: perldoc File::Glob might be useful, assuming it is using globs. It doesn't mention ** though.
[04:01] <DanaG> Yay, my Firewire drive gets up to 36 megabytes per second.
[04:01] <DanaG> USB 2.0 only gets 20.
[04:01] <DanaG> USB 2.0:  Durrh, DMA?  Never heard of it.
[04:01] <brianlight> so no one else has crazy input today?
[04:02] <brianlight> mainly from the mouse after xserver-xorg-input update?
[04:07] <aaahhh> yea
[04:07] <aaahhh> it was the .13
[04:07] <aaahhh> kernel
[04:07] <aaahhh> that was messing up my audio
[04:08] <mneptok> aaahhh: sudo apt-get install linux-ubuntu-modules-$KERNELREV
[04:09] <DanaG> `uname -r` is better.
[04:09] <DanaG> or the same.
[04:10] <aaahhh> well
[04:11] <aaahhh> linux-ubuntu-modules-2.6.24.13-generic isn't in the repo yet
[04:11] <aaahhh> but the kernel is
[04:12] <vlowther> so, don't dist-upgrade for the next couple on days, then?
[04:13] <aaahhh> well it was because of virtualbox
[04:13] <RAOF> aaahhh: It seems to be virtualbox-ose-modules brokenly pulling in the -13
[04:13] <JohnPhys> anyone experiencing Bug #190848 ?
[04:13] <ubotu> Launchpad bug 190848 in gnome-terminal "font in terminal does not resemble font in preview" [Undecided,Triaged] https://launchpad.net/bugs/190848
[04:13] <aaahhh> it /unload HighlightCollector.py
[04:13] <aaahhh> woops
[04:14] <aaahhh> yea
[04:14] <aaahhh> RAOF
[04:14] <aaahhh> eythian, told me that
[04:14] <aaahhh> and reverting back to the older kernel worked
[04:15] <aaahhh> had to reinstall nvidia-glx-new binary drivers twice :(
[04:27] <crhylov1> Hey, I can't get my wifi going on a little presario laptop.
[04:28] <crhylov1> I can't get the blue light to come on at all.
[04:28] <crhylov1> Any help?
[04:28] <aaahhh> what chipset?
[04:28] <crhylov1> I am using Hardy Heron Beta.  I believe it is Broadcom.
[04:29] <crhylov1> I am next to useless with a command line, btw.
[04:29] <aaahhh> well
[04:29] <aaahhh> you could use ndiswrapper
[04:29] <crhylov1> But I am good at downloading things, burning cds, etc.
[04:29] <aaahhh> with fwcutter
[04:30] <crhylov1> OK.  Is there an online tut for that with GUI step by step?
[04:35] <bluefox|gaming> has hardinfo allways crashed a lot since feisty fawn or is it just me? cause gutsy it crashed and now i installed it again and as soon as i try to get a summary it crashes
[04:37] <aaahhh> it worked ok for me
[04:38] <aaahhh> nvm that was hardware testing
[04:38] <crhylov1> any link on how to get ndiswrapper going in the GUI?  I didn't see one on the forums.
[04:38] <bluefox|gaming> http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/61890/
[04:38] <bluefox|gaming> ^hardinfo crash
[04:39] <crhylov1> lol.  That link was not related.
[04:40] <bluefox|gaming> crhylov1: if you had read my second comment...
[04:40] <bluefox|gaming> XD
[04:41] <voidmage> anyone know why human-murrine was removed?
[04:41] <aaahhh> no clue
[04:41] <aaahhh> im generating a report now bluefox|gaming
[04:42] <aaahhh> and it hasn't crashed yet
[04:42] <aaahhh> yet it generated the report fine
[04:43] <bluefox|gaming> aaahhh: but im not after a report. i want to browse the stuff in it's GUI
[04:43] <aaahhh> ooooh purty report
[04:43] <crhylov1> http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=734003
[04:43] <AutoMatriX> problem : gutsy will not install on my laptop as long as there is an nnfs partition on my HD, I have to install feisty, then go to gutsy before installing hardy .... somebody has a solution ?
[04:43] <aaahhh> im browsing
[04:43] <aaahhh> it's fine
[04:44] <crhylov1> These seems to solve it, but I have to give this laptop back to my drummer later in the week, and he will completely unable to handle that every time he boots.
[04:44] <crhylov1> Any permanent work around yet?
[04:44] <aaahhh> for what?
[04:44] <voidmage> AutoMatriX: this channel is for hardy. ask about gutsy in #ubuntu
[04:44] <aaahhh> wireless
[04:44] <DanaG> Yay, finally I found a backup thingy that works.
[04:44] <DanaG> faubackup.
[04:45] <DanaG> Just had to put it in cron.d somewhere, and edit the config.
[04:45] <AutoMatriX> voidmage, actuallu I'm installing hardy ...
[04:45] <aaahhh> bacula is nice
[04:45] <voidmage> oh
[04:45] <AutoMatriX> voidmage, via an upgrade, cannot do anything else
[04:46] <aaahhh> what's an nnfs partition
[04:46] <aaahhh> you mean ntfs?
[04:47] <AutoMatriX> aaahhh, nice, you got it
[04:47] <quentusrex> what do shared lib's end with? .a? or .so???
[04:47] <aaahhh> huh?
[04:47] <aaahhh> you mean why?
[04:47] <bluefox|gaming> crhylov1: i didnt click the link, but i suggest making a shell script in it to be executed duing bootup
[04:49] <Tu13es> can I get the hardy beta alongside gutsy?
[04:49] <Tu13es> I'd compiled the 2.6.24 kernel myself a few weeks before the beta and had wifi issues
[04:49] <Tu13es> if the issues are still there I really don't want to have a nonworking system while I troubleshoot
[04:50] <DanaG> wtf?  All my menus are opening at the BOTTOM of the z-order.
[04:50] <Boohbah> quentusrex: .so for shared object
[04:50] <quentusrex> thanks
[04:51] <aaahhh> automatrix use some partition utility to resize the partition
[04:51] <Dex-Freudii>  I need is to creat an empty vfat into a .img file to be mounted with VirtualBox ... any ideas?
[04:51] <aaahhh> gparted works nice
[04:52] <aaahhh> vfat?
[04:52] <Kl4m> Can I set the language for a single app? I want to start a GNOME program in english to file a consistent bug report.
[04:52] <aaahhh> i think it's a variable setting
[04:52] <aaahhh> not sure
[04:53] <DanaG> Argh, my hda-intel is broken!
[04:53] <AutoMatriX> aaahhh, that has already been done .... but it gets stuck when using 'manual' partitioning, unles I use Feisty, which works perfect
[04:53] <RAOF> DanaG: sudo module-assistant a-i alsa-source, man.
[04:53] <aaahhh> what are you trying to install?
[04:53] <aaahhh> hardy?
[04:53] <crhylov1> I'm gonna try this: http://ohioloco.ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=197102&highlight=broadcom+ndiswrapper
[04:54] <DanaG> I wonder why it randomly broke.
[04:54] <DanaG> Linux GLaDOS 2.6.24-12-generic #1 SMP Wed Mar 12 23:01:54 UTC 2008 i686 GNU/Linux
[04:54] <aaahhh> that should work
[04:54] <AutoMatriX> aaahhh, now I'm trying to install hardy, but via update manager, since I ran out of CD's
[04:54] <DanaG> STill on -12.
[04:54] <aaahhh> you can actually use the gui in hardy
[04:54] <aaahhh> Automatrix the gui installer sucks, use the alternate cd
[04:54] <aaahhh> if you want to manually partition
[04:55] <aaahhh> or if the gui installer fails
[04:55] <AutoMatriX> aaahhh, I used both, the live AND the alternate
[04:55] <aaahhh> oh
[04:55] <aaahhh> it failed in the alternate cd too?
[04:55] <DanaG> I wonder why -12 ALSA randomly broke.
[04:55] <DanaG> The modules are still loaded.
[04:55] <AutoMatriX> aaahhh, correct
[04:56] <aaahhh> DanaG did you just apt-update
[04:56] <aaahhh> upgrade*
[04:56] <aaahhh> and do you run virtualbox
[04:56] <aaahhh> or have it installed
[04:56] <aaahhh> oh nvm
[04:56] <aaahhh> you're still on 12
[04:56] <aaahhh> try restarting
[04:56] <aaahhh> but pick the .12 kernel
[04:57] <aaahhh> i had the same problem, i run virtualbox, and the sound died before rebooting into .13, sound doesn't work at all in .13 due to no kernel modules in the repo
[04:57] <aaahhh> corresponding kernel modules*
[05:00] <DanaG> I AM in 12.
[05:01] <DanaG> *** PULSEAUDIO: Unable to create stream.               Unable to set hw params for playback: Input/output error               Setting of hwparams failed: Input/output error                               speaker-test: pcm_pulse.c:115: pulse_stop: Assertion `pcm->stream' failed.                      Aborted (core dumped)
[05:01] <DanaG> (removed line breaks.)
[05:01] <DanaG> aplay to the device itself works fine.
[05:05] <aaahhh> is any other device taking control of the audio device
[05:05] <aaahhh> other application*
[05:05] <DanaG> Everything should be going through PulseAudio.
[05:09] <DanaG> How do I fix my pulseaudio?
[05:09] <DanaG> And yes, I do deliberately use PulseAudio, for the multiple-device features.
[05:10] <DanaG> Oh, PCM was low, for some odd reason.
[05:12] <dwidmann> Anybody around a wizard with alsa by any chance?
[05:13] <crhylov1> what is the new program for formatting a USB key or other hard drive?
[05:13] <crhylov1> it says gparted is not installed.
[05:14] <BHSPitMonkey> I heard pulseaudio could be forwarded over ssh somehow, but I could never find out how.
[05:14] <JohnPhys> crhylov1:  just install gparted, I dont' think it is usually installed by default in gutsy or feisty either
[05:19] <BHSPitMonkey> It's not.
[05:19] <dwidmann> JohnPhys: rightfully shouldn't be too ... leaves newer users too much oppurtunity to play with drives while the partitions are mounted (bad thing)
[05:23] <crhylov1> huh.  OK, thnx.
[05:23] <crhylov1> I was hoping to format this USB key BEFORE I copied stuff from this machine to the one that is offline (for obvious reasons), but I will suck it up and burn a CD.....
[05:25] <crhylov1> Where should I get the .deb for that?
[05:26] <crhylov1> (It's not on getdeb).
[05:28] <crhylov1> is gparted somewhere on the hardy beta cd?
[05:28]  * crhylov1 goes to grep.
[05:32] <ubuntufanboy> hello all
[05:33]  * ubuntufanboy needs help with Java on Hardy 64.
[05:40] <ubuntucool123_> has anyone tried ubuntu beta on compaq evo n800v? what is it like?
[05:40] <VeN0mizer> not I
[05:41] <VeN0mizer> upgrading to beta on my hell...I mean dell laptop as we speak
[05:42] <ubuntucool123_> i hope it works fine on the compaq evo n800v. version 7.10 had a resolution problem so i needed to go into xorg.conf and change it
[05:42] <ubuntufanboy> thats why i bought a thinkpad
[05:43] <VeN0mizer> if only I had more dough
[05:43] <VeN0mizer> ;)
[05:43] <crhylov1> i like dell, as long as you reformat IMMEDIATELY after purchase.
[05:43] <VeN0mizer> lol yeah I did
[05:44]  * DanaG will probably get an "HP Compaq" (wow, that's silly naming) 8510p in summer.
[05:44] <VeN0mizer> wiped off crappy home xp, installed crappier vista, went back to xp pro, then to ubuntu, and never looked back :)
[05:44] <crhylov1> dell always comes completely loaded with CRAP.
[05:44] <VeN0mizer> only complain was the broadcom driver that ubuntu came packaged with kept locking up my system, had to use NDISwrapper
[05:44] <aaahhh> wireless is still pretty crappy in linux
[05:45] <ubuntucool123_> im going to dual boot with windoze and ubuntu 8.04 (when final comes out)
[05:45] <VeN0mizer> I'm hoping the hardy upgrade in progress won't  break my ndiswrapper config :(
[05:45] <aaahhh> have they fixed the store wpa2 enterprise issue in networkmanager?
[05:45] <VeN0mizer> I use wicd, like it much better :)
[05:46] <VeN0mizer> oh, and I have an ATI card :(
[05:46] <VeN0mizer> which ati hates making linux drivers for
[05:47] <ubuntufanboy> i had an ATI.... trashed it for a NVIDIA, best think i did for my linux life.
[05:47] <aaahhh> wicd looks nice
[05:47] <ubuntufanboy> i had an ATI.... trashed it for a NVIDIA, best thing i did for my linux life.
[05:47] <crhylov1> they are SUPPOSED to be getting better.
[05:47] <aaahhh> yea
[05:47] <aaahhh> but their legacy support sucks
[05:47] <VeN0mizer> I love it aaahhh :) they make a .deb for it
[05:48] <aaahhh> it's basicly a frontend to wpasupplicant
[05:48] <aaahhh> do you use wpa enterprise?
[05:48] <aaahhh> with radius auth
[05:48] <VeN0mizer> I had 3 nvidia cards die on me in two different comps I was building....so I'm scared of them lol I need to try them out again
[05:48] <VeN0mizer> nope, just wpa2 psk
[05:48] <aaahhh> i want to know if it stores the pass's in keyring
[05:48] <aaahhh> oh
[05:48] <VeN0mizer> which network manager couldn't seem to handle :/
[05:49] <aaahhh> well network managers wireless connection always seemed flaky
[05:49] <aaahhh> i always downgraded to manual scripts
[05:49] <VeN0mizer> then again my password is 29 characters long of symbols, caps, and numbers
[05:49] <aaahhh> rofl
[05:49] <DanaG> Hmm, since I removed my audigy2, I haven't had any more of those hard-lockups when under heavy disk+gpu activity.
[05:49] <DanaG> My passphrase is *************************
[05:49] <VeN0mizer> ....that's mine too!
[05:49] <DanaG> with some mixed case, some underscores, and some punctuation.
[05:49] <VeN0mizer> THIEF!
[05:49] <JohnPhys> nice, mine too
[05:49] <aaahhh> lol h ave you read that bash quote
[05:50] <DanaG> Count them.
[05:50] <aaahhh> hey put in your password
[05:50] <aaahhh> see, mine is ******
[05:50] <aaahhh> your client automatically sends the asterisks
[05:50] <aaahhh> :D
[05:50] <VeN0mizer> mhmm
[05:50] <DanaG> My dad doesn't leave it enabled, since he is (self-admittedly) ignorant of how security works.
[05:50] <VeN0mizer> *sean connery* and if you believe that one I'll tell ya another
[05:50] <ubuntufanboy> why security?
[05:51] <aaahhh> leave what enabled?
[05:51] <ubuntufanboy> all computers should have no security
[05:51] <ubuntufanboy> stallman way of thinking...
[05:51] <VeN0mizer> that would be windows bud
[05:51] <VeN0mizer> ;)
[05:51] <aaahhh> well it depends
[05:52] <aaahhh> people just pick on windows mainly because it is the most used OS
[05:52] <DanaG> And the users are the most ignorant.
[05:52] <aaahhh> that too
[05:52] <VeN0mizer> I've often wondered if linux would show as many patches as windows if more people targeted it
[05:52] <JohnPhys> aaahhh:  lets not leave out the fact that it was not designed with security in mind.
[05:52] <VeN0mizer> is open source _really_ that much more secure? it makes sense in theory
[05:52] <aaahhh> seriously, don't open a freaking attachment via aim
[05:53] <aaahhh> though i really hate vista
[05:53] <aaahhh> it has wizards for wizards
[05:54] <aaahhh> xp wireless settings was fairly easy
[05:54] <aaahhh> vista's is like a 15 step process
[05:54] <aaahhh> i mean it's not harder, but just more steps
[05:55] <aaahhh> i don't know how it is any easier for non tech folk
[05:55] <VeN0mizer> is mac just BSD with a pretty painting? does apple really know how to fix what's under the hood? (never owned a mac)
[05:56] <DanaG> Hmm, now this is my theme:
[05:56] <DanaG> http://www.csc.calpoly.edu/~dgoyette/screenshot-orange-nodoka.png
[05:56] <DanaG> Try hidden SSIDs with XP... it sucks.
[05:57] <VeN0mizer> hidden ssid's always went really well with me in xp, only problem was when a network that used to broadcast it's ssid then hid it, you had to remove the profile for that network and type it in by hand for whatever reason
[05:57] <VeN0mizer> I have NEVER gotten hidden SSID's to work in ubuntu with either network manager or wicd :(
[05:57] <tritium> DanaG: what's the box down in the corner with the TeX and LaTeX icons?
[05:57] <DanaG> SCIM.
[05:57] <tritium> ah
[05:58] <DanaG> Nifty, eh?
[05:58] <DanaG> I R ⋙ U.
[05:58] <tritium> Well, depending on what it does.
[05:58] <DanaG> A ≸ B.
[05:58] <VeN0mizer> 9 minutes to go until upgrade done
[05:58] <DanaG> r∠θ
[05:58] <DanaG> That's what.
[05:58] <tritium> Cool.  And the TeX icon in the panel up top?
[05:59] <DanaG> SCIM also.
[05:59] <tritium> cool, I'll check it out
[05:59] <DanaG> It'll come in handy for science papers.
[05:59] <tritium> I've done my fair share, but I still use LaTeX.
[05:59] <DanaG> r sin θ sin φ
[06:00] <tritium> I believe I was the first to produce a dissertation entirely with ubuntu.
[06:02] <ubuntufanboy> tritium... can u send me your tex files?
[06:02] <tritium> ubuntufanboy: no, why?
[06:03] <ubuntufanboy> i would like to write mine with tex... i could be handy...
[06:03] <ubuntufanboy> btw.. i speak portuguese... your english work wont be of any value for me.
[06:03] <ubuntufanboy> just the templated you used..
[06:03] <ubuntufanboy> nevermind...
[06:03] <tritium> ubuntufanboy: I used the Purdue latex class (puthesis)
[06:04] <tritium> It should be freely available online.
[06:04] <ubuntufanboy> what is it about btw? tritium and atomic energy?
[06:04] <tritium> ubuntufanboy: http://docs.lib.purdue.edu/dissertations/AAI3185702/
[06:05] <ubuntufanboy> crazy...
[06:05] <ubuntufanboy> ;)
[06:06] <ubuntufanboy> 10x for the info
[06:06] <tritium> ubuntufanboy: heh
[06:06] <tritium> ubuntufanboy: https://engineering.purdue.edu/~mark/puthesis/
[06:07] <ubuntufanboy> tome time ago i sparted playing with TeX... really powerfull...
[06:08] <ubuntufanboy> well i gotta go to bed... its late in here.
[06:08] <ubuntufanboy> bye bye all
[06:08] <VeN0mizer> later fan
[06:25] <mr-russ> Hi, when running a beta, like Hardy, how to installed all binaries with debug symbols so bug reports are more useful?
[06:27] <crhylov1> OK, so I think I installed the driver properly using ndiswrapper....
[06:27] <crhylov1> But the light still won't come on.
[06:28] <crhylov1> do I have to sudo modprobe or something?  Will I have to every time I boot?
[06:29] <DanaG> put it in /etc/modules
[06:29] <DanaG> one line: "ndiswrapper"
[06:29] <aaahhh> you shouldn't have to modprobe everytime
[06:29] <aaahhh> did you use the gui
[06:29] <aaahhh> or did you manually install everything
[06:30] <DanaG> Be careful.... I put Intel drivers in ndiswrapper, and then ran into a panic every time I tried to boot thereafter.
[06:30] <crhylov1> I don't know.  I got to a point where it says (Windows Drivers Installed) Hardware installed Yes.
[06:30] <DanaG> The only way I solved it was by removing the actual mini-PCIe card.
[06:30] <crhylov1> I've rebooted twice, it all seems to be working, but I can't get the blue light to come on.
[06:31] <freddo> hello
[06:31] <crhylov1> i ran gtkndis from the command line.
[06:31] <crhylov1> sudo gtkndis
[06:33] <vega--_> is there a nightly/daily snapshot ISO of hardy available? or is the latest iso the beta release?
[06:35] <JohnPhys> vega--_: http://cdimage.ubuntu.com/daily-live/current/
[06:36] <vega--_> thanks
[06:37] <eythian> there is a bug for some wireless cards where the light doesn't come on
[06:37] <eythian> but they still work
[06:37] <vega--_> hm the latest image is from yesterday, hope it doesn't install windows on my machine or something..
[06:40] <Pedantic-Steve> vega--_:  yesterday for you is April 1?
[06:43] <Meshezabeel> When I try to run java programs it says "Locking assertion failure. Backtrace:" and produces a bunch of messages with lines containing /usr/lib/libxcb-xlib.so.0, /usr/lib/libX11.so.6, and jre/lib/amd64/xawt/libmawt.so etc. Any ideas why? Things seemed to work fine under Gutsy.
[06:47] <freddo> Pedantic-Steve, yep, same here it's 7:47am, april 2
[06:48] <freddo> Pedantic-Steve, wednesday
[06:48] <Pedantic-Steve> freddo: still April 1 for me.  for another hour or so
[06:48] <mr-russ> it's wednesday afternoon here, it's all relative to where in the world you are.
[06:49] <crhylov1> Is there a version of Linux I can reinstall where the wifi will "just work"?
[06:49] <crhylov1> I'm at a loss on this thing, and wifi is a must.
[06:50] <Meshezabeel> it is Thursday here
[06:50] <Meshezabeel> crhylov1, works fine for me on hardy
[06:50] <Meshezabeel> but depends on what type of wifi card you have
[06:50] <crhylov1> how did you get it tow work?
[06:50] <mr-russ> wow, I'm +11 that makes you at least +18.
[06:50] <Meshezabeel> crhylov1, worked right away
[06:51] <crhylov1> i have gtkndis says hardware installed yes.
[06:51] <kRush> why is there a 25 minute delay on running cron.daily after startup?
[06:51] <Meshezabeel> yes mr-russ
[06:51] <Meshezabeel> +21
[06:51] <mr-russ> Meshezabeel: and what country is this?
[06:51] <Meshezabeel> it is the country of Fools
[06:52] <freddo> Pedantic-Steve, it will still be april 1 for some people until 2 hours, i think (imay be wrong on this one), it's all about GMT+/-12 (or UTC), see http://www.timeanddate.com/
[06:52] <mr-russ> I think country of liars would be more accurate.
[06:52] <Meshezabeel> ;)
[06:52] <Meshezabeel> yes, everything I say is a lie
[06:52] <mr-russ> that's excellent for a support channel :)
[06:53] <Meshezabeel> crhylov1, what type of laptop and card do you have?
[06:53] <freddo> Meshezabeel, same for me, quite paradoxical, isnt it?
[06:53] <mouser> anyone here have a crazy mouse pointer in gnome after updates today
[06:53] <Meshezabeel> indeed freddo
[06:53] <Meshezabeel> mouser, nope, not with my usb
[06:53] <crhylov1> It is a presario v2000.  With broadcom.
[06:53] <Meshezabeel> haha, thought you were going to say broadcom ;)
[06:54] <crhylov1> I've installed both the broadcom .deb driver and ndiswrapper, and neither work.
[06:54] <mouser> anyone else complain about issues with mouse today?
[06:54] <crhylov1> well, they both SAY they work, but then I still can't get the blue light to turn on.
[06:54] <mouser> mouse is working fine with gusty live cd
[06:54] <mr-russ> crhylov1: do you actually get data through the interface when it says it works?
[06:55] <mouser> was working good for weeks here until an xserver-xorg-input update
[06:55] <crhylov1> mr-russ: I do not know.
[06:55] <crhylov1> I do not know how to see that.
[06:55] <freddo> Meshezabeel, i wonder if it's the same cause? personally i always lie since i'm 4 years old because i've been punished for telling the truth. I've spent a few days in my bedroom, punished, telling to myself i wont say the truth again. i wonder what Freud would say about that...
[06:55] <crhylov1> I am good with any amount of mouse clicking and CD burning.
[06:56] <Meshezabeel> freddo, well freud liked to blame everyone except for himself, that is the whole problem
[06:56] <mouser> well it could just be me I have a ps2 mouse here
[06:56] <crhylov1> Freud, through faulty logic indicted all of humanity for HIS perversions.
[06:56] <mouser> I guess I could go purchase a cheap usb and see if I have the same issues
[06:56] <crhylov1> Brilliant!
[06:57] <freddo> Meshezabeel, bah, there's no problem in fact i'm just like that, i generally lie to please peoples, often when i don't really care
[06:57] <mr-russ> crhylov1: how do you know it's not working?  the light is no real indication that it's working correctly.
[06:57] <crhylov1> the light won't come on, and I can't connect to the internet.
[06:57] <crhylov1> Other than that, I'm sure it's working great. :)
[06:57] <mouser> but Ether this is a cruel april fools day joke for people with ps2 mice or a real bug in xorg input packages for hardy
[06:57] <crhylov1> Plus, it will not show me a list of available wireless networks.
[06:57] <mr-russ> crhylov1: so you can test, it won't connect.
[06:58] <Meshezabeel> freddo, haha, comes down to a basic sin issue I guess, we do it because it helps us out in the short term but messes us up in the long term
[06:58] <crhylov1> mr-russ: I can open firefox and not get a page.
[06:58] <crhylov1> also, it never lists available networks.
[06:58] <mouser> -NickServ- This nickname is owned by someone else
[06:58] <mouser> -NickServ- If this is your nickname, type /msg NickServ IDENTIFY <password>
[06:58] <mouser> *** Your nickname is brianlight
[06:58] <mouser> -NickServ- This nickname is owned by someone else
[06:58] <mouser> -NickServ- If this is your nickname, type /msg NickServ IDENTIFY <password>
[06:58] <mouser> *** Unknown command: MOSUER
[06:58] <Meshezabeel> crhylov1, are you able to see wireless connections?
[06:58] <crhylov1> no.
[06:59] <freddo> Meshezabeel, yes i was often the case when i was younger, now i learned the magic trick of lies: tell the truth
 Meshezabeel, i wonder if it's the same cause? personally i always lie> <Meshezabeel> mouser, nope, not with my usb
[06:59] <mouser> > <crhylov1> It is a presario v2000.  With broadcom.
[06:59] <mouser> > <Meshezabeel> haha, thought you were going to say broadcom ;)
[06:59] <mouser> > <crhylov1> I've installed both the broadcom .deb driver and ndiswrapper, and
[06:59] <mouser> > +neither work.
[06:59] <freddo> Meshezabeel, it's even more mind boggling that what you can imagine ;)
[06:59] <Meshezabeel> freddo, indeed, and no one realizes until it's too late :)
[07:00] <Meshezabeel> hmmm, must have been a copy and paste gone awry.
[07:00] <crhylov1> mouser: Yes, all of that is still true.
[07:00] <freddo> Meshezabeel, i'm generally not trying to lure peoples; but when i do, yes it helps ;)
[07:00] <mr-russ> well, his mouse is playing up :)
[07:01] <Meshezabeel> so is yours ;)
[07:01] <sri> greetings.. I was wondering if there has been any reports of issues with older broadcom wireless drivers
[07:02] <crhylov1> sri: LOL
[07:02] <crhylov1> That is EXACTLY what I'm doing here.
[07:02] <sri> I got one of those BCM4306 wireless cards.. and it's pissing me off :)
[07:02] <crhylov1> Banging my head repeatedly against all available walls.
[07:02] <sri> crhylov1: :)
[07:02] <sri> well, mine works but I have a lot of packet loss
[07:02] <Meshezabeel> sri, broadcom is not supported very well under linux yet
[07:02] <jussio1> have you guys tried ndiswrapper?
[07:02] <sri> and I have that even with wired connections.
[07:02] <sri> Meshezabeel: yeah, especially teh older ones.
[07:02] <jussio1> !broadcom
[07:03] <ubotu> Help with Broadcom bcm43xx can be found at https://wiki.ubuntu.com/WifiDocs/Driver/Broadcom43xx
[07:03] <crhylov1> yes, but I don't know how to use it.
[07:03] <sri> jussio1: I haven't as of yet.
[07:03] <sri> thanks
[07:03] <jussio1> see the link from ubotu
[07:03] <crhylov1> ubotu: That link is broken.
[07:03] <jussio1> ubotu: is a bot.
[07:03] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about is a bot. - try searching on http://ubotu.ubuntu-nl.org/factoids.cgi
[07:03] <crhylov1> yes i know.
[07:03] <sri> in fact, I'm on my laptop right now.. but perhaps I should do ndiswrapper.. I used that back in the feisty days.. I can't remember if I used it in gutsy
[07:03] <crhylov1> I just sent him an update.
[07:04] <crhylov1> I'm going to bring the laptop in here so I can chat and bang my head against the wall at the same time.
[07:05] <sri> yeah, sadly that link doesn't have anything for hardy.
[07:05] <jussio1> link works fine for me...
[07:05] <crhylov1> Then at midnight I'm going to the store for a steak.  Because all this head banging is hard work.
[07:05] <sri> you should get a mean guitar and bang out YYZ
[07:05] <crhylov1> https://help.ubuntu.com/community/WifiDocs/Driver/bcm43xx/Hardy
[07:05] <crhylov1> LOL The only good Rush: Where geddy doesn't sing.
[07:06] <crhylov1> I'm more of a Van Halen fan though when it comes to guitar work.
[07:06] <sri> awww.. I like geddy's singing..  their new album rocks (sorry for offtopic)
[07:06] <crhylov1> best angry smurf vocalist ever.
[07:06] <crhylov1> lol
[07:07]  * mneptok emits invisible airwaves that crackle with light
[07:07] <sri> hehe
[07:08]  * sri is gonna see em in June.  now if Porcupine Tree shows up that would be awesome too..
[07:09] <mneptok> *sigh*
[07:09] <vaughn> Anyone noticed that the auto-dim when idle doesn't return to the original brightness when no longer idle?
[07:09] <Meshezabeel> are they as good as the Arrogant Worms?
[07:10] <sri> not heard Arrogant Worms..
[07:10] <mneptok> sri: you, like, suck. now i have to fire up the external drive and shift rhythmdb.xml's around to listen to "Presto"
[07:10] <sri> mneptok: heh :)
[07:10] <sri> mneptok: shoot them sun dogs on the horizon
[07:10] <Meshezabeel> you'll have to look them up on Youtube ;)
[07:11] <crhylov1> OK.  so now I'm going to plugin an ethernet cable and see what happens.
[07:11] <sri> mneptok: you should see the YYZ done by drummer from foo-fighters and geddy and alex
[07:11] <mneptok> fye could wave mah magic wand ...
[07:12] <darthanubis> in gnome, the trash icon on the lower bar just disappeared, and i can no longer add it?!?
[07:13] <Meshezabeel> vaughn, I have problems with dim, after a minute it dims only partially, then when I move the mouse or keyboard, it dims all the way, I then have to manually use Fn+F6 to increase it back up again.
[07:13] <Meshezabeel> darthanubis, reboot?
[07:14] <mneptok> just restart GNOME
[07:14] <darthanubis> rebot? never
[07:14] <darthanubis> I'll restart gnome
[07:14] <sri> okay, be back later.. going to check to see if using bcm43xx gives me a better result.
[07:14] <JohnPhys> darthanubis:  I've seen that bug too, just log out and in (maybe a few times), they'll show up at some point
[07:14] <sri> although I think b44 is screwed too.. god I hate broadcom..
[07:14] <darthanubis> thx for the confirm
[07:15] <Meshezabeel> darthanubis, lol, reboot is just as fun ;)
[07:16] <darthanubis> I'll leave to rebooting for the noobs;)
[07:16] <Meshezabeel> good luck sri
[07:16] <Meshezabeel> darthanubis, haha, which I assumed you were since you were having probs with the trash can ;)
[07:17] <Ayabara> hey. I often get "stale NFS file handle" on my system.
[07:17] <darthanubis> I got that once
[07:17] <Ayabara> it happens only for a subset of the files in a directory
[07:17] <darthanubis> the share had been open for a few days
[07:17] <darthanubis> got stale?
[07:18] <darthanubis> I was miffed as well
[07:18] <darthanubis> then I googled it and learned aboutit
[07:18] <Meshezabeel> night all, good luck sri and crhylov1 with the broadcom
[07:19] <crhylov1> thnx.
[07:23] <crhylov1> I'm trying the update manager over a wire.
[07:23] <brianlightfoot> ok this jumpy mouse thing is buggin me so bad
[07:26] <brianlightfoot> this is such a show stopping bug
[07:28] <virtuald> are memory leaks a known problem in compiz?
[07:28] <crdlb> virtuald: the nvidia driver has a terrible memory leak
[07:28] <virtuald> :/
[07:28] <crdlb> which causes compiz to appear to leak memory
[07:29] <virtuald> any hope they will update it in time for release?
[07:29] <crdlb> I don't think they'd put in an nvidia update this late
[07:30] <crdlb> since there's really no way to know what you're getting
[07:30] <virtuald> ok, any chance ubuntu will include it later as an update?
[07:31] <Lynoure> Ever since yesterdays upgrades, my konsole has been not working at all. How can I fix it?
[07:31] <crdlb> if later means Intrepid :)
[07:31] <virtuald> i don't know that word
[07:31] <Lynoure> (the x server resolution also went down radically, but fixed that already)
[07:32] <crdlb> virtuald: the next version after hardy
[07:32] <virtuald> ok
[07:33] <crdlb> hmm
[07:34] <MagoonD> if I decide to upgrade to hardy when it comes out will I have an option to go back to gutsy gibbon?
[07:35] <crdlb> ok good hardy got that compiz-manager update
[07:35] <crdlb> MagoonD: no
[07:35] <MagoonD> crdlb can you tell me how to create a complete backup like I would create a ghost image for windows
[07:35] <crdlb> virtuald: you can try: INDIRECT=yes compiz --replace
[07:36] <virtuald> crdlb: ok, what does INDIRECT=yes do?
[07:36] <crdlb> that should avoid the memory leak but some things might not work as well
[07:36] <crdlb> makes compiz use indirect rendering
[07:36] <Lynoure> Do all other kde 3.5.9 users here also have broken konsole?
[07:36] <virtuald> MagoonD: apt doesn't support downgrading but it can be forced, though you can break everything, and it's not supported by anyone
[07:37] <MagoonD> virtuald, if I could save my entire config and hard drive before upgrading how would I go about doing that?
[07:38] <Rkod> Can anyone please help me? I am having problems achieving resolutions higher than 800x600 in Ubuntu.
[07:38] <virtuald> MagoonD: hmm, backup /home, /etc, and the package database which I don't remember where it sits, somewhere in /var
[07:38] <MagoonD> ok thx virtuald
[07:38] <Lynoure> Rkod: seems yesterdays upgrades modified xorg.conf radically
[07:39] <Rkod> I installed it two or three days ago.
[07:39] <Rkod> From wubi.
[07:39] <brianlightfoot> yeah and broke my mouse
[07:39] <brianlightfoot> when I move around my mouse I get random left clicks
[07:39] <Lynoure> Rkod: oh, if it that been that way since beginning, it's something else
[07:39] <MagoonD> Lynoure, i had to modify xorg.conf manually in gutsy because i am using a tablet
[07:39] <Rkod> Everytime I turn the computer on, or log out and in ofubuntu, it tells me that it can't find my monitor, and sets me at 800x600Resolution. So I pick my monitor from the list and it says "Please log out andin or restart to see changes", and well, when I do, it does it over and overagain. So I can't get decent resolution whatsoever. If it helps I have anNvidia 5500 FX from BFG, and it tells me I have outside drivers or something whenever 
[07:40] <Lynoure> MagoonD: sorry, I don't know anything on tablets
[07:40] <fyrmedic> Is it true that 8.04 is delayed for release by quite a lot?
[07:40] <DanaG> !wacom
[07:40] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about wacom - try searching on http://ubotu.ubuntu-nl.org/factoids.cgi
[07:40] <DanaG> !tablet
[07:40] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about tablet - try searching on http://ubotu.ubuntu-nl.org/factoids.cgi
[07:40] <DanaG> end.
[07:40] <MagoonD> i think i am just going to wait to upgrade to hardy i am a fairly new ubuntu user so if things mess up I wouldn't know what to do
[07:40] <brianlightfoot> but I did notice that in xorg conf mouse driver was changed to vmouse
[07:40] <DanaG> (i.e. I won't try more than twice.)
[07:40] <crdlb> fyrmedic: april 24 is the current release date
[07:40] <Lynoure> Rkod: if it has not been that way since the beginning, see if you have an older copy of xorg.conf in /etc/X11
[07:41] <DanaG> Yeah, 2 or so days ago, something randomly slaughtered my xorg.conf without asking.
[07:41] <Lynoure> MagoonD: I would not recommend Hardy yet to a new user
[07:41] <sidis405> MagoonD: that is the way to go.
[07:41] <brianlightfoot> but I've already changed back to the mouse driver and i still get random rapid left mouse clicks
[07:41] <Rkod> I actually deleted it and i'm reinstalling kubuntu, to see if I have the same problem
[07:41] <sidis405> MagoonD: i installed few days ago.
[07:41] <MagoonD> Lynoure, thanks
[07:41] <Rkod> i'm installing kubuntu 8.04 KDE4
[07:41] <sidis405> still sorting it out ;)
[07:41] <MagoonD> thx sidis405 i will def wait
[07:41] <fyrmedic> crdlb, That's what I thought but I saw in the #ubuntu room when I signed on yesterday a MOD that said something like 3 months.
[07:42] <Rkod> It was a fresh install anyway, but it might have something to do with wubi maybe?
[07:42] <brianlightfoot> I'm using a gusty live cd know the new xorg updates are show stoppers for me
[07:42] <crdlb> fyrmedic: dapper was only delayed by 6 weeks; I can't imagine them delaying hardy by twice that
[07:43] <Lynoure> brianlightfoot: I got around mine by restoring an old xorg.conf. Yey. But Konsole not working at all is a near-showstopper for me :(
[07:43] <MagoonD> i love gutsy, the only reason i am still running some windows machines is bec i am a .net developer
[07:43] <Lynoure> fyrmedic: yesterday was probably April Fools
[07:43] <DanaG> Keys getting stuck... that's another blocker.
[07:43]  * Adys ews at .net
[07:43] <sidis405> MagoonD: i mean, it's definitely fun.
[07:43] <fyrmedic> crdlb, I wouldn't think so.
[07:43] <brianlightfoot> I think so
[07:43] <DanaG> 11:43 Pacific Time (DST?  I don't have a clue.)
[07:44] <DanaG> PM.
[07:44] <fyrmedic> Lynoure, LOL you're right. Bet that's it. Well if so they got me.
[07:44] <crdlb> haha
[07:44] <brianlightfoot> so many show stopping bugs and less than one month to go
[07:44] <crdlb> you have to realize that the cycle is only 6 months, so 1 month is a long time
[07:45] <brianlightfoot> I hate the way xorg is going
[07:45] <crdlb> you'll love it once they get the kinks worked out
[07:45] <brianlightfoot> I hope so
[07:45] <DanaG> I hate how SHMConfig is disabled by default.
[07:46] <crdlb> DanaG: it's a huge security vulnerability apparently
[07:46] <DanaG> How the heck are you supposed to tweak touchpad settings (except in Xorg.conf)?
[07:46] <DanaG> If you put it in xorg.conf, it breaks if the touchpad loses sync.
[07:46] <DanaG> The next time the device connects, it will forget its touchpad-ey nature.
[07:46] <DanaG> And input hotplug (FDI files) are no good either, since there's no way to pass options to the Synaptics driver.
[07:47] <brianlightfoot> the things I do like though is that pulse audio is defacto standard
[07:47] <DanaG> ... with no GUI, by default.
[07:47] <DanaG> And no surround, by default.
[07:47] <DanaG> On my Audigy2, at least.
[07:47] <crdlb> baby steps
[07:47] <DanaG> And no pulse-as-default-device, either.
[07:47] <Lynoure> crdlb: backwards :(
[07:48] <crdlb> hehe
[07:48] <DanaG> It just breaks things if you do a half-assed job (excuse the swearing, but it's a strong description).
[07:48] <Lynoure> I can't believe there is not a single other kde3.5.9 user here, but I guess they are all asleep :(
[07:48] <brianlightfoot> I had a good page bookmarked to get everything working under pulse audio manually
[07:48] <DanaG> I do love PulseAudio now that I've set it up and tweaked it, though.
[07:50] <brianlightfoot> well I'm not seeing any bug reports that are open on my mouse issue
[07:50] <brianlightfoot> I guess I'll have to file one on launchpad
[08:05] <pen> avant-window-navigator is not stable with compiz fusion sometimes for transition animation like magic lamp
[08:23] <dooglus> which package contains ipw3945.ko in hardy?  apt-file won't update so I don't know how to search for it
[08:28] <harrisony> Hi im trying to get encrypted LVM with hardy on my laptop, although im getting "The test of the file system with type ext2 in partition #1 of LVM VG vg, LV root found uncorrected errors"
[08:41] <pen> hey
[08:41] <pen> anyone got the upgrade?
[08:44] <Lynoure> pen: many, ask the real question?
[08:44] <pen> Just curious, because it's a distro upgrade
[08:44] <pen> I just got it
[08:45] <Lynoure> distro upgrade? So you mean upgrade from gutsy to hardy and not within hardy?
[08:49] <savvas> pen: probably everyone here uses hardy, so either gutsy->hardy upgrade or clean install, we're all there :)
[08:49] <pen> savvas: I am using hardy, and I just got a distro upgrade :D
[08:49] <pen> maybe hardy left beta stage
[08:50] <sidis405> :| hmm
[08:50] <savvas> urm..
[08:50] <savvas> i think that's for the next distro release
[08:50] <savvas> i.. ibex something
[08:50] <orvokki> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/HardyReleaseSchedule
[08:50] <pen> then I don't get it
[08:50] <pen> why distro upgrade?
[08:50] <pen> beta 1 to 2?
[08:50] <harrisony> no one likes lvm eh? :(
[08:51] <savvas> pen: simple, don't distro-upgrade if you already use hardy :)
[08:51] <pen> I didn't
[08:51] <savvas> just sudo aptitude update; sudo aptitude safe-upgrade
[08:51] <pen> update manager told me so
[08:51] <pen> I have no idea
[08:51] <savvas> give me a sec
[08:51] <elmargol> I think we need a gui to rollback updates :(
[08:52] <savvas> why?
[08:52] <elmargol> downgrading is a pain
[08:52] <savvas> once you pop you can't really stop elmargol :P
[08:52] <savvas> no it isn't
[08:52] <savvas> keep your /home in a separate partition, format root / and install your older release ;)
[08:52] <elmargol> I mean a security update
[08:53] <pen> brb
[08:54] <savvas> pen I don't..
[08:54] <savvas> she left darn :P
[08:55] <orvokki> savvas: Isn't it something like that safe-upgrade doesn't try to remove packages if there are dependency problems but dist-upgrade does?
[08:56] <orvokki> That is, it tries to formulate a solution for you with the dependency problem. Whether you accept it is your own choice.
[08:57] <savvas> orvokki: full-upgrade is dist-upgrade from I read
[08:58] <savvas> *from what
[08:59] <orvokki> *shrug* Aptitude terminology seems a bit vague to me.
[08:59] <savvas> http://pastebin.ca/raw/967243
[08:59] <savvas> it's all in man aptitude :P
[09:00] <orvokki> Many ways to say the same thing is usually imo bad.
[09:00] <savvas> neah, they're just trying make it easier for hands i guess
[09:00] <orvokki> Make a new term => mark the old one deprecated but still let people use it.
[09:00] <savvas> i.e. if you type sudo aptitude up<tab> it gives you update
[09:01] <savvas> and sa<tab> gives safe-upgrade
[09:01] <savvas> they did
[09:01] <savvas> try upgrade :)
[09:01] <savvas> it says it's deprecated
[09:01] <orvokki> savvas: I rather meant that dist-upgrade vs full-upgrade thing.
[09:01] <savvas> ah
[09:02] <savvas> well no argue there :)
[09:02] <orvokki> It says there that dist-upgrade is there for historical reasons. Imo it could then be marked deprecated.
[09:02] <orvokki> Anyway, I'd probably have to suggest it to aptitude devs rather than here...
[09:03] <savvas> yep
[09:03] <m1r> hello
[09:06] <m1r> i am trying to get twinview to work, but when i want apply new setting it says that : XRandR x extenstion was not found. this extension must be suported by X server and enabled for display config settings to be dynamicly applicaiable
[09:06] <m1r> what can i do to get this working ?
[09:15] <Lynoure> m1r: maybe your config just got overwritten?
[09:15] <Lynoure> m1r: just a wild guess. Then restoring the older one might help, but can be something else of course too.
[09:17] <m1r> Lynoure: havent messed with anything till now, just installed nvidia restricted drivers
[09:17] <Lynoure> m1r: me neither, but latest upgrade hosed mine, thus the guess.
[09:20] <pwuertz> good morning
[09:20] <m1r> Lynoure: i also upgraded , no problems here
[09:20] <pwuertz> after the latest update my human-murrine style is broken
[09:20]  * compwiz18 makes a mental note not to update today
[09:21] <pwuertz> also the gnome display manager has problems starting up properly
[09:21] <pwuertz> oh... you are talking about this already ;) ?
[09:22] <m1r> seems so :)
[09:23] <KalEl> is it possible to access the weather information that appears along with the clock, from command line?
[09:23] <m1r> Lynoure: you using 32 bit or 64 bit ?
[09:25] <savvas> KalEl: weather-util - command-line tool to obtain weather conditions and forecasts
[09:25] <savvas> $ apt-cache search weather :)
[09:26] <KalEl> hmm thanks! "apt-cache search", will have to remember that :)
[09:27] <savvas> remember apt-cache policy too, useful for bug reports :P
[09:39] <Lynoure> m1r: 32-bit
[09:39] <m1r> kk
[09:39] <Lynoure> m1r: sorry for the delay, got frustrated with the computer and went to do something else
[09:40] <m1r> np :)
[09:41] <m1r> just wanted to chcek, as i am on 64bit
[09:47] <m1r> seems dual monitor will wait as XRandR is not there ?!?:/
[09:48] <elbermungsterses> hello, i have a urgent problem with firefox 3 beta 4.
[09:48] <tonyyarusso> erm, I just did a bunch of updates, and now my system is slowed to a crawl, GMail won't load at all, and Network-Manager doesn't work (manual configuration through network-admin does).
[09:50] <DistroJockey> elbermungsterses: if it's urgent, maybe you could provide more info on the problem?
[09:51] <elbermungsterses> okay, i may need to pastebin the two error messages.
[09:51] <DistroJockey> elbermungsterses: sure
[09:53] <elbermungsterses> DistroJockey , http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/61909/
[09:53] <elbermungsterses> it's from the firefox error console.
[09:54] <DistroJockey> elbermungsterses: so no java stuff works?
[09:56] <elbermungsterses> no, i can't manage my bookmarks, view history, or subscribe to feeds.
[09:56] <elbermungsterses> is it a package installation gone bad?
[09:56] <phaidros> hi, I am very confused: since an update last week my desktop is not able to run proper X with nvidia. worked nice before.
[09:57] <phaidros> now the low graphics mode starts, but only the nv driver is available in the card selection
[09:57] <DistroJockey> elbermungsterses: not sure if this will help, but I needed to do it: http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/61910/
[09:57] <phaidros> (restricted modules are there and I can load nvidia by hand)
[09:58] <phaidros> even if I use backed up xorg.conf, x always comes in low graphics mode. could it be a missing package?
[09:58] <d_rwin> i am having problem with ¨(double quotes ); using 7.10 ; keyboard layout (us:int1);  cant compile c programs;  i have to press quotes twice
[09:58] <phaidros> restricted modules are there, restricted manager is there .. what else could be missing?
[10:02] <phaidros> d_rwin: this is ubuntu+1 channel, you should better ask in #ubuntu
[10:04] <d_rwin> thanks
[10:06] <teamcobra> hrm, I have sldapd running and configged on my hardy box... but now when I log into the box via NX, I get a big "Failed to Initialize HAL!" error, and gnome-panel segfaults (I believe it to be related, server was working fine until the ldap was dropped in)
[10:12] <DistroJockey> elbermungsterses: any luck?
[10:14] <elbermungsterses> no
[10:14] <elbermungsterses> it's not related to java
[10:15] <elbermungsterses> it's missing some kind of module
[10:15] <DistroJockey> ahh, bummer
[10:16] <DistroJockey> elbermungsterses: there wasn't really enough in your paste for me to go on (not saying that more will help me, but it might :) )
[10:17] <pen> besides wink, is there any alternative to  that?
[10:18] <DistroJockey> blink?
[10:19] <phaidros> nvidia_glx_new was missing.
[10:20] <pen> blink?
[10:20] <pen> I mean wink
[10:20] <pen> http://www.debugmode.com/wink/
[10:21] <DistroJockey> sorry pen, I have no idea what wink is and was being silly
[10:23] <teamcobra> this is my hal error, if anyone can help: *** [DIE] hald.c:main():785 : Could not init PolicyKit context: (null)
[10:25] <tomahasamoot2> I've got 4 kde4 packages that say upgradable, but that say they'll "BRAKE" if installed
[10:25] <Arelis> Since Hardy Heron is only 23 days away, would it hurt to install the "Beta"? Is there going to be a Release Candidate, or is it Beta->Final
[10:25] <tomahasamoot2> also, on kde4, konsol didn't work.... but I just upgraded, so it could work now
[10:26] <orthodoc> system monitor shows only one processor active. my lappy has a dual core...
[10:28] <DistroJockey> Arelis: people have said that upgrading from beta will be ok, but I never upgrade (prefer fresh installs)
[10:29] <DistroJockey> and 22 days now :)
[10:30] <Sep1> Ok, the new kernel headers have fucked everything up for me.
[10:31] <Sep1> It also looks like the update removed some of my themes, my screen resolution is screwed even when using the old headers, and when using the new headers, I'm forced to use safe graphic mode :s
[10:32] <Sep1> Anyone here?
[10:32] <orthodoc> Sep1: I suggest you install the linux-ubuntu-backports. THis may solve a number of your problems...
[10:33] <Sep1> What's in the package?
[10:38] <KingOfDos|lap> why is the systemsettings with kubuntu 8.04 not working properly? when i get the kdesu asking for a password. that's working. but after this the "administrator mode" is disabled again
[10:39] <KingOfDos|lap> i've got this problem on a desktop with the Display settings. And on my laptop with the networksettings (the thing from system tray)
[10:40] <KingOfDos|lap> after running -> kdesu -u root /usr/bin/kcmshell Peripherals/displayconfig <- for about 3 or 4 times. i get the settings with root access
[10:41] <KingOfDos|lap> is this a specific kde/kubuntu problem, or more for ubuntu 8.04 (beta) in general?
[10:46] <tomahasamoot2> KingOfDos|lap: I've had the same problem, I have to use 'sudo ...' from the consol.  Alotho, I tried kde4, and it work there (but many other things don't work in kde4, considar kde4 an alpha, tech preview).
[10:49] <KingOfDos|lap> tomahasamoot2: i know that it's a preview/unstable. so it's not running in production.
[10:50] <mib_c1zei1cn> i need some help
[10:50] <tomahasamoot2> KingOfDos|lap: I should say that the comment about sudo is in reference to kde3.5
[10:50] <mib_c1zei1cn> i need some help......
[10:51] <DistroJockey> !ask | mib_c1zei1cn
[10:51] <ubotu> mib_c1zei1cn: Please don't ask to ask a question, ask the question (all on ONE line, so others can read and follow it easily). If anyone knows the answer they will most likely answer. :-)
[10:51] <mib_c1zei1cn> ok then...
[10:52] <mib_c1zei1cn> i have installed ubuntuserver edition onto my other computer but it is textbased, now the compuiter will not allow me to install other versions of ubuntu to replace it
[10:52] <mib_c1zei1cn> what can i do?
[10:53] <DistroJockey> mib_c1zei1cn:  from say an alternate ubuntu disk?
[10:53] <mib_c1zei1cn> yes
[10:54] <DistroJockey> mib_c1zei1cn: as in wipe and repartition?
[10:54] <mib_c1zei1cn> huh?
[10:54] <DistroJockey> you said replace, I assume that means you can wipe the partitions and start again?
[10:55] <mib_c1zei1cn> i would like to replace the version currently installed, with kubuntu desktop edition
[10:55] <mib_c1zei1cn> (gutsy)
[10:56] <DistroJockey> apt-get install kubuntu-base  on the server version (or something like that) may do what you need
[10:56] <mib_c1zei1cn> the server edition i have currently is ubuntu
[10:57] <DistroJockey> not sure if that package name is right
[10:57] <DistroJockey> you should be able to get X and gnome on it if that's what you are after
[10:58] <mib_c1zei1cn> i am after installing kubuntu desktop (gutsy) to replace the existing ubuntu server (textbased)
[10:58] <Ng> mib_c1zei1cn: you can install ubuntu-desktop to get the default gnome ubuntu desktop, or kubuntu-desktop to get KDE, or xubuntu-desktop
[10:58] <mib_c1zei1cn> where can i install that from?
[10:59] <mib_c1zei1cn> download and burn?
[10:59] <DistroJockey> Ng: ahh, I thought I was close, cheers :)
[10:59] <Ng> mib_c1zei1cn: if the machine is on the internet you can just do "sudo apt-get install ubuntu-desktop" and it will download a few hundred megabytes of packages and install them
[11:00] <Exilant> hm, bad kwallet, nothing but trouble *sigh*
[11:00] <Sep1> Ok, I installed backports, but I'm still being forced to use the vesa driver instead of nvidia-glx-new. I also tried uninstalling nvidia-glx-new and replacing it with nvidia-glx,  but to no avail.
[11:00] <mib_c1zei1cn> it is not connected to the internet
[11:00] <mib_c1zei1cn> i am on a different computer currently
[11:00] <DistroJockey> Ng: ubuntu-base does exist though? and it's smaller but gives X?
[11:00] <orvokki> Sep1: i386 or amd64?
[11:00] <Sep1> amd64
[11:01] <Ng> DistroJockey: there's ubuntu-standard and ubuntu-minimal, neither of which provide X ;)
[11:01] <DistroJockey> Ng: ahh, k, thanks :)
[11:01] <Ng> mib_c1zei1cn: well if you don't want to do a fresh reinstall, you could download and burn the alternate install CD and use that as an apt repository
[11:02] <Sep1> help?
[11:02] <Sep1> :'(
[11:02] <mib_c1zei1cn> i have tried that (burning the alternative install for kubuntu) but all it does is make loads of noise then go to normal boot
[11:03] <Ng> ango: will the computer boot from other CDs? they don't always burn properly
[11:03] <birmaan> morning
[11:04] <orvokki> Sep1: Can you use shell without x? I'd want you to try something.
[11:04] <Sep1> Yes.
[11:04] <Sep1> Good morning.
[11:04] <Ng> ango: but you can still do it after you've booted the server install, there's a tool called apt-cdrom that will let you use a CD as a source of packages
[11:04] <ango> it will burn from the cd that was posted to me
[11:04] <ango> *install
[11:04] <ango> but not from any others
[11:05] <Sep1> orvokki, you there?
[11:05] <orvokki> Sep1: Firstly /etc/init.d/gdm stop. Then run X inside a non-graphical shell (Just X, nothing more). Tell me if it says you have a conflict between 169.* Xorg and an older kernel module. Then /etc/init.d/gdm start.
[11:05] <Ng> ango: it may be a problem with the burning then. maybe try burning at a slower speed?
[11:05] <ango> how would i do that...
[11:05] <ango> i use nero for burning
[11:05] <zniavre> hello
[11:05] <Sep1> How do I start X?
[11:05] <orvokki> Sep1: I couldn't get Nvidia to work either with nvidia-glx-new and amd64.
[11:05] <zniavre> startx
[11:06] <orvokki> NO.
[11:06] <orvokki> Oops, sorry.
[11:06] <orvokki> Didn't mean to shout.
[11:06] <orvokki> Sep1: The command is X.
[11:06] <zniavre> sorry
[11:06] <Sep1> Lol. Easy as pie, then. brb, anything else?
[11:06] <orvokki> Nothing really. I just want to see if you have the same problem as I do.
[11:06] <zniavre> i got worries with samba
[11:07] <orvokki> If you do, a temporary solution would be to run the NVIDIA-installer by Nvidia.
[11:07] <zniavre> as everybody ?
[11:07] <orvokki> But this should really be reported if you are.
[11:10] <Sep1> back
[11:11] <ango> everything has to be done by cd because there is no internet connection
[11:11] <Sep1> I got nothing like that. It told me it encountered a fatal error because there was no NVIDIA kernel...
[11:11] <ango> unless...
[11:11] <ango> i brought the computer down here
[11:11] <ango> and tried re-installing it with the connection
[11:11] <ango> via cables
[11:11] <ango> brb
[11:13] <Sep1> Hello?
[11:13] <ty> anyone got any idea why browsing through network shares would be really slow?
[11:14] <Sep1> It said something like FATAL: No NVIDA kernell detected. Or something like that.
[11:14] <Sep1> *NVIDIA
[11:14] <teamcobra> ty: not sure, I was maxing out at 6k/s yesterday over a local wifi network
[11:14] <teamcobra> sleeping now...
[11:14] <teamcobra> night all
[11:14] <Sep1> ty: I started a thread in the Hardy forum with the username NCLI, try looking there.
[11:19] <ango> oh darn, i have lost the cd drive
[11:19] <ango> well, i will have to fix my desktop PC instead
[11:21] <ango> can someone give me a link for the download page for the kde addon
[11:21] <ango> please
[11:21] <ty> Sep1: thanks for that but when i download i get full speed its only accessing my network shares on the xp machine i have the same result over ethernet too
[11:22] <ango> i really need it
[11:26] <Hamra> approximatly how much gets downloaded when upgrading to hardy?
[11:26] <teamcobra> can someone help me fix my policykit/hal? I'm not going to have kvm over ip much longer, would like to get everything fixed before it gets pulled from my box :/
[11:26] <ango> .................................................................................
[11:27] <ango> is there another donload that will make my existing version gusty gibbon?
[11:27] <ango> *gutsy
[11:28] <rsk> um?
[11:28] <Hamra> what version are you using ango?
[11:28] <ango> ubuntu server ed
[11:28] <ango> textbased
[11:30] <teamcobra> ango: does apt-get install ubuntu-desktop help?
[11:30] <ango> it's not connected to the internet
[11:31] <savvas> heh
[11:31] <teamcobra> ahh
[11:31] <ango> i need to find the link for the download and then do the whole disc burning thingy
[11:31] <teamcobra> brb
[11:32] <savvas> ango: make a temporary directory
[11:33] <ango> a what?
[11:33] <savvas> ango: sudo aptitude download ubuntu-desktop && sudo aptitude download `apt-cache depends ubuntu-desktop | grep Depends: | sed -e 's/  Depends: //' | xargs`
[11:33] <savvas> a temporary directory
[11:33] <ango> in english
[11:33] <savvas> then transfer the files on your server
[11:33] <Exilant> there will be problems with that
[11:33] <savvas> temporary folder = a folder that you will use for a short time only :)
[11:33] <Exilant> the packet list on the server is outdated if existant
[11:34] <ango> yes, but where...
[11:34] <ango> this computer, i am not meant to be on...
[11:34] <savvas> ango: you have physical access on your server right?
[11:34] <ango> i only use my external hard-drive, will that work?
[11:34] <ango> brb
[11:35] <savvas> sure
[11:36] <savvas> i wonder why he quit to connect a hard drive :P
[11:36] <Exilant> why don't you just hook it up to the internet?
[11:36] <Exilant> hm, too late
[11:37] <savvas> why on earth does he have a hardy server without an internet connection in the first place :p
[11:37] <Exilant> yes, weird indeed
[11:41] <dredhammer> how do i configure my mouse in hardy? dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg doesn't seem to have mouse settings anymore
[11:43] <Finnish>  Who can give me advice on setting Buffalo WHR-G125-wlan station
[11:45] <teamcobra> any amd64 users in the house?
[11:46] <Lamego> savvas, intranet server ?
[11:47] <m1r> y teamcobra
[11:47] <teamcobra> because I think the amd64 policykit package from yesterday broke stuff
[11:48] <teamcobra> matter of fact, I just confirmed it myself
[11:48] <m1r> how u confirmed ? i can try ?
[11:48] <teamcobra> I just downgraded to the package earlier
[11:48] <teamcobra> you don't wanna try
[11:49] <m1r> ok )
[11:49] <teamcobra> it'll piss you off ;)
[11:49] <m1r> :)
[11:49] <teamcobra> policykit_0.7-2ubuntu6_amd64.deb is BROKEN, policykit_0.7-2ubuntu5_amd64.deb fixes it..... note to everyone ;)
[11:51] <m1r> how can i set higher resolution for image in virtual box ?
[11:51] <teamcobra> I still get a hal error, but now at least panel doesn't crash
[11:51] <teamcobra> m1r: install the guest additions in vbox :)
[11:51] <m1r> i did
[11:52] <m1r> it DLthem and nothing hapened
[11:52] <m1r> now when i press install , nothing happens
[11:52] <teamcobra> hrmmm, that's odd
[11:52] <m1r> yes
[11:52] <teamcobra> windows guest vm?
[11:52] <teamcobra> or is it linux
[11:52] <m1r> xp sp2
[11:52] <teamcobra> extra-weird....  the guest additions take a while to install
[11:53] <teamcobra> make sure no other cdroms are mounted
[11:53] <teamcobra> and try clicking the install virtualbox tools option in the menu again, to remount the iso
[11:53] <m1r> they DL , then it ask if i want mount, but vbox crashed
[11:53] <teamcobra> hrmmmm......
[11:53] <m1r> after that nothing, no sign of guest additions
[11:54] <m1r> ussualy they should install and show up in xp taskbar
[11:54] <m1r> but this time asked for mount, crashed , and nothing
[11:55] <m1r> i try reboot all
[11:56] <teamcobra> running the ose version, or the free-but-not-gpl one?
[11:57] <teamcobra> if running ose, try the one from their site, I've gotten it working w/ guest additions and xpsp2 guest here
[11:57] <m1r> ose
[11:57] <teamcobra> not sure if the ose version handles the guest additions differently, it might
[11:57] <teamcobra> and at least you'll gain usb support ;)
[11:57] <m1r> that i dont need
[12:01] <teamcobra> m1r: not sure, to be honest..... I'll keep digging around
[12:02] <teamcobra> btw, re the policykit fiasco, rebooting did indeed fix the hal error on login as well... someone should probably topic it, else there will be a lot of pissed amd64 users this afternoon ;)
[12:03] <m1r> :)
[12:03] <hype> Hi all! I cant get sound from my intel macmini
[12:03] <ccooke> teamcobra: fiasco?
[12:04] <teamcobra> ccooke: yeah, it breaks hal and everything that depends on it (causes segfaults in gnome-panel for instance, thus thrashing top and bottom panel)
[12:04] <enyc> Hrrm virtualbox-ose hardy version (appears) to have trouble with 'seamless desktop integration'
[12:05] <teamcobra> it's a problem with the amd64 policykit_0.7-2ubuntu6_amd64.deb package, downgrading to policykit_0.7-2ubuntu5_amd64.deb fixes it
[12:10] <hype> anyone?
[12:11] <enyc> but then i've been using the hardy source package for virtualbox-ose, rebuilt on gutsy, and usind it to build a new 'vboxdrv.ko' fie too, that works on gutsy
[12:12] <nomasteryoda> enyc, using compiz at same time does cause issues with virtualbox, even the "free for personal use"
[12:12] <enyc> nomasteryoda: ok but not using that
[12:13] <nomasteryoda> that version you can download from virtualbox/sun's site
[12:13] <nomasteryoda> includes usb support
[12:17] <mqtt_> hi, i'm having this bug since upgrade : at first login (autologin via gdm), my keyboard (french) works as if the Alt Gr key was stuck: when I type an e, i get a € etc... After logout/login again, it works normally.
[12:17] <mqtt_> Are you aware of this bug or should I file a new one?
[12:17] <edgy> Hi, mplayer works but smplayer and other qt/kde-based apps don't give sound, what's the problem, please?
[12:20] <mqtt_> edgy, try to find out what audio output is used by mplayer (-ao option) and smplayer
[12:20] <Leeuw> DistroJockey, you there ?
[12:20] <mqtt_> edgy, it should be set up to pulseaudio
[12:21] <DistroJockey> Leeuw: hey
[12:21] <Leeuw> DistroJockey, maybe you know whatś going on on my system, or should I repeat question ?
[12:21] <DistroJockey> Leeuw: best to repeat it
[12:22] <Leeuw>  DistroJockey, OK:get no welcome screen anymore, just login XDMCP (like VNC ?), no servers, try machine-name, no go
[12:23] <Leeuw> DistroJockey, maybe something changed in .login script ?
[12:23] <Leeuw> DistroJockey, as in only remote login or something ?
[12:23] <DistroJockey> Leeuw: my face went blank
[12:23] <Leeuw> DistroJockey,  ????
[12:23] <DistroJockey> Leeuw: as in I have no idea
[12:24] <Leeuw> DistroJockey, gettit, should I repeat with no name, or just wait ? (just my3d X-chat session)
[12:24] <DistroJockey> Leeuw: you upgraded from 7.10?
[12:25] <DistroJockey> Leeuw: you are on 8.04 beta atm right?
[12:25] <Leeuw> DistroJockey, no, fresh install, worked fine; I think I fiddled with startup-parametrs in desktop (system0menu, startup screen) is there option to switch off local login or something that I accidentally marked ?
[12:26] <Leeuw> DistroJockey, yep, 8.04, da big birdy
[12:26] <DistroJockey> :)
[12:26] <Leeuw> DistroJockey, very new build (4 days or so)
[12:26] <edgy> when I launch mplayer there is a message of AO: [pulse] Failed to connect to server: Connection refused
[12:27] <DistroJockey> Leeuw: and you can't get into GDM?
[12:28] <DistroJockey> Leeuw: sorry, I see that you can't
[12:28] <Leeuw> DistroJockey,  thatsit, I get strange window, sez login XDMCP, I googled, is some remote thing to login on other machine; I have no other machine (connected that is)
[12:28] <Leeuw> DistroJockey, or KDM, or XFce
[12:29] <Leeuw> DistroJockey, I like dif flavourz ;-)
[12:29] <DistroJockey> Leeuw: I'm not very good in this area
[12:29] <DistroJockey> Leeuw: sorry
[12:30] <Leeuw> DistroJockey, was running fine, have new build, won mind new instaal, but can t get in; not even with live cd to save home-partition; sez no mount, user owner is 999, live user is 0 (root ?!?!)
[12:31] <Leeuw> anyone understand login problem: no welcome screen just window XDMCP-login ?
[12:32] <Leeuw> maybe not particular hardy problem, probably goof-up tweaking startup-screen with system-menu...
[12:33] <DistroJockey> Leeuw: maybe chown is worth looking at?
[12:34] <Leeuw> DistroJockey, hm, fill me in please, rings a bel but ehm...
[12:34] <DistroJockey> Leeuw: man chown    in a terminal
[12:34] <Leeuw> dis oh yeah, change owner, you mean to save home-part ?
[12:35] <Leeuw> DistroJockey, oh yeah, change owner, you mean to save home-part ? (forgot tab key)
[12:35] <DistroJockey> Leeuw: not sure what you mean there, but chown will change a directory to you if you want
[12:36] <Leeuw> DistroJockey, but I can't even mount the disk..
[12:36] <DistroJockey> Leeuw: ohh
[12:37] <Leeuw> DistroJockey, I see, I mixed up chown with changing the user
[12:37] <Leeuw> DistroJockey,  as in sudo (sortof)
[12:38] <DistroJockey> Leeuw: you're losing me, maybe as I am losing you ;)
[12:38] <Leeuw> DistroJockey, I see I'm getting vague here, I gave up to try start system, just go on with new install (have newer build anyway already burned on cd), but want to save home-dir, making sense now ?
[12:40] <DistroJockey> Leeuw: I would just copy what you need to a different hard drive
[12:40] <Leeuw> DistroJockey, and: can't acces / - partition (where home is, alas, one of the reasons I go new install, give home own partition the easy way) to save my mail & settingz
[12:40] <Dr_willis> its handy to keep home in its own partition or hard drive.
[12:41] <Leeuw> DistroJockey, eh, yeah, thatś the problem... (as you prob get by now)
[12:42] <DistroJockey> Leeuw: sorry, I'm fading fast. IT support by day and now I'm doing it at night but the wine has kicked in. Sorry
[12:42] <Leeuw> DistroJockey, I kannae change da laws of physics !   If I push these engines any further they ĺl blow !) frustration of a scotty-magnitude here...
[12:42] <DistroJockey> hehe
[12:43] <Leeuw> DistroJockey, not your fault... Maybe I should stack to alpha's...
[12:43] <DistroJockey> I do work with the Physics people
[12:43] <DistroJockey> and Chemistry
[12:43] <DistroJockey> :)
[12:44] <DistroJockey> Leeuw: 22 days and all will be good
[12:44] <Leeuw> as in eh... CH3OH ?
[12:45] <DistroJockey> as in Hardy will be released
[12:45] <Leeuw> DistroJockey,  yeah, probably...  Think I'l just give up, do my new installl, forget about the 3 days of mail (nothing interesting), and go IMAP until I get ity all sorted out...
[12:46] <DistroJockey> Leeuw: sorry I couldn't help more
[12:46] <DistroJockey> still learning also
[12:47] <Leeuw> DistroJockey, never mind, is no neck-breaker anyway (else I wouldn have gone beta); thanx for yer time anyway !
[12:47] <DistroJockey> Leeuw: nods :) you're welcome
[12:48] <DistroJockey> Leeuw: you can't mount your drive that has your data?
[12:49] <Leeuw> Dr_willis, you have any idea what's up with not being able to get into /home from live-cd ? (not a separate part yet, boohoo)
[12:49] <Leeuw> DistroJockey, yeah.
[12:50] <Leeuw> Dr_willis, or / for that matter
[12:50] <Dr_willis> Leeuw,  you mounted the installed hard drive?
[12:50] <Dr_willis> the live cd may not be auto mounting the isntalled systems filesystem.
[12:51] <Leeuw> Dr_willis, I started live CD, hard drive is mounted, but can't acces / part, sez owner=999, live-cd user =0 (root, no ?)
[12:51] <Plantain> Hey, I've got no audio with an upgrade to hardy, any ideas what could be wrong? (855GM chipset, ICH4 Intel AC'97)
[12:52] <Leeuw> Dr_willis, no, itś not, but if I try to do so, it gives the above...
[12:53] <DistroJockey> Dr_willis: 999 seems odd, is that normal?
[12:54] <Leeuw> DistroJockey, Dr_willis, it got me baffled, never happened like that...
[12:54] <Dr_willis> Leeuw,  access it as root perhaps?
[12:54] <Dr_willis> Ive seen this 999 error mentioned befor. but never looked into it
[12:54] <Dr_willis> mount it, use sudo in the shell, to access/copy stuff over.. I guess. :)
[12:54] <Leeuw> Dr_willis, Tried, same thing... hardy-bug ?
[12:54] <DistroJockey> never seen or looked into it here
[12:55] <Leeuw> Dr_ no wait, I used Gutsy-live (Kubu)
[12:55] <Dr_willis> No idea on that. I rarely mess with the live cd. - Try some other disrto live cd.. try mounting it manualy, not using the gui.
[12:55] <Dr_willis> check the output of the mount command, It may be its getting mounted weirdly
[12:55] <Leeuw> Dr_willis, no wait, I used Gutsy-live (Kubu) (forgot tab again)
[12:56] <Leeuw> Dr_willis, good idea, I got some Knoppix-live stuff, will try that by the way, I can't even get in with ext2 for windoze...
[12:58] <Leeuw> Dr_willis,  please explain output of mount-command, I m to much of a lazy 'used-to-automount" person...
[12:58] <DistroJockey> Leeuw: maybe a: sudo umount /what/ever   then a   sudo mkdir /mnt/test && mount /dev/sd?? /mnt/test   (replace ?? with something appropriate)
[12:59] <Leeuw> DistroJockey, why ?
[12:59] <Leeuw> DistroJockey, to see if disk-integrity is OK ?
[12:59] <Dr_willis> thats how you MOUNT it manually. :)
[12:59] <Leeuw> that I know (just about0
[12:59] <DistroJockey> Leeuw: to check paths mainly I guess
[12:59] <Leeuw> hm
[13:00] <Dr_willis> its possible the thing needs fscked, or similer. i guess
[13:01] <Leeuw> Dr_willis, yeah, but first I need to get in, right ?  ;-P
[13:01] <DistroJockey> Leeuw: you can probably ignore the umount part of my previous post
[13:01] <Dr_willis> get in? You mount the filesystem, then you 'get in' to it.
[13:02] <Leeuw> Dr_willis, I'm running circles, gonna try the knoppix, tha the mount stuff, then get back   Action !
[13:02] <Leeuw> Dr_willis, DistroJockey any more suggestions ?
[13:03] <Dr_willis> if you dont know how to manually mount a filesystem,, i would suggest learning how. :)
[13:03] <Dr_willis> it takes all of 10 sec to test. heh
[13:03] <Dr_willis> sudo mount /dev/whateverthedeviceis /media/pickanameforamountpoint
[13:04] <DistroJockey> Leeuw: not really
[13:04] <Dr_willis> that may tell you stuff faster then trying knoppix.
[13:04] <savvas> anyone tried the new flashplugin-nonfree?
[13:04] <DistroJockey> savvas: new?
[13:04] <savvas>   Installed: 9.0.115.0ubuntu4
[13:04] <savvas>   Candidate: 9.0.115.0ubuntu5
[13:05] <DistroJockey> savvas: got a command I can check that with?
[13:05] <savvas> apt-cache policy package :)
[13:05] <Leeuw> Dr_willis, you're so right... I did it many times inthe past of edgy distro's (and I don mean Eft); Mandrake, SUSE, Red Hat (faky windoze), and what else, but it's long time since...   All these distro's gathered dust on my HD, until... Ubvunut; it ś really the first distro I recommend to others, but this revives old  LINUX-  memories...
[13:06] <chombee> I see the human-clearlooks theme has just disappeared from hardy. Anyone know where I can get it back? Is this it? http://www.gnome-look.org/content/show.php/Human-Clearlooks?content=67154&PHPSESSID=6
[13:06] <DistroJockey> savvas: thanks for the pointer. And no I havn't :)
[13:06] <Leeuw> Dr_willis, My penalty for going beta. I GUESS
[13:06] <Dr_willis> first thing i 'teach' my newbie linux friends at work is how to manually mount  their drives/filesystems, and how fstab defines the things.. that way they know whats going on.
[13:07] <Dr_willis> :)
[13:07] <savvas> DistroJockey: n/p ;)
[13:07] <savvas> waiting for a victim to try it out :P
[13:07] <Dr_willis> 333 upgraded, 0 newly installed, 0 to remove and 0 not upgraded. Need to get 452MB of archives.
[13:07] <SErge> hi
[13:07] <Dr_willis> Weee! :)
[13:07] <DistroJockey> savvas: I'll bite. Commands?
[13:07] <savvas> heh
[13:07] <Dr_willis> After this operation, 19.5MB disk space will be freed.
[13:08] <savvas> DistroJockey: sudo aptitude update; sudo aptitude install flashplugin-nonfree
[13:08] <Dr_willis> Thats.. sort of.. interesting  Makes ya wonder why it cant just download the 19.5mb differance. :)
[13:08] <SErge> the firefox 3.0b4 in hardy have crashed 25times and he continues to crash - i think it's no-sense to use this firefox, better the old version .
[13:08] <savvas> SErge: are you using add-ons?
[13:08] <Dr_willis> SErge,  but then everyone will be flooding the channel asking how to get the 3.0b version....
[13:09] <Dr_willis> :)
[13:09] <chombee> the one on gnome-look doesn't appear to be quite the same. Anyone know where the human-clearlooks that was in hardy until recently can be gotten from?
[13:09] <Leeuw> Dr_willis, DistroJockey, Thanx a million, I'm no further but wiser; I'm getting out of windows now and one way or the other, when we meet again it will be on Hardy.   Beta or Alpha.   Thanx and lotsa beanz to you !
[13:09] <SErge> savvas, nope.
[13:09] <savvas> SErge: sudo aptitude install firefox-2; firefox-2
[13:09] <DistroJockey> Leeuw: see you on the green side :)
[13:10] <savvas> SErge: i hope you've sent those crash reports :)
[13:10] <SErge> savvas, i don't know how..
[13:11] <savvas> SErge: when firefox crashes, it pops up apport, and you simply press send report
[13:11] <DistroJockey> savvas: I should have that flas version from a normal upgrade shouldn't I?
[13:11] <DistroJockey> flash^
[13:12] <savvas> DistroJockey: yeah probably, if you have the main server
[13:13] <DistroJockey> savvas: just doing an update now
[13:13] <savvas> http://launchpadlibrarian.net/13043600/flashplugin-nonfree_9.0.115.0ubuntu5_i386.deb
[13:13] <savvas> http://launchpadlibrarian.net/13043608/flashplugin-nonfree_9.0.115.0ubuntu5_amd64.deb
[13:13] <savvas> if anyone's interested ;)
[13:13] <DistroJockey> savvas: and what's the issue with it?
[13:13] <SErge> savvas, dont know,, whenthe firefox crash it doesn't pops up apport.
[13:14] <savvas> SErge: do this in terminal, it will show you the crash reports gathered: nautilus /var/crash/
[13:15] <savvas> DistroJockey: no idea, I was just looking for someone to see if it installed correctly
[13:15] <SErge> savvas, i need to start firefox with terminal ?
[13:15] <phaidros> gnome-settings-manager fails to start since a while here. is there a way to get gnome settings (eg keyboard layout) other ways?
[13:15] <SErge> it's needed
[13:16] <savvas> SErge: no, you can make a launcher in your desktop or on the gnome panel for a custom application
[13:16] <savvas> SErge: if you mean to see why it crashes, then yeah, terminal could show some problems :)
[13:17] <savvas>   * add previously forgotten xulrunner-addons to alternative VARIANTS in prerm
[13:17] <savvas>     - update debian/prerm
[13:17] <savvas>  -- Alexander Sack <asac@ubuntu.com>  Wed, 02 Apr 2008 10:43:14 +0200
[13:17] <m1r> how can i redownload guest additions for vitualbox ose ?
[13:18] <savvas> DistroJockey: that's the changelog for it, I guess it's ok to upgrade, i'll do it too
[13:18] <DistroJockey> savvas: flashplugin-nonfree:  Installed: 9.0.115.0ubuntu5
[13:19] <savvas> DistroJockey: works for me: http://www.adobe.com/shockwave/welcome/ :)
[13:20] <DistroJockey> savvas: no problems with that  http://launchpadlibrarian.net/13043600/flashplugin-nonfree_9.0.115.0ubuntu5_i386.deb
[13:20] <savvas> m1r: you don't have to, install the new virtualbox, do sudo /etc/init.d/vbox-drv setup and run it, it should have the new additions iso
[13:20] <savvas> DistroJockey: great :)
[13:20] <m1r> hey savvas
[13:21] <savvas> oops, sudo /etc/init.d/vboxdrv setup
[13:21] <savvas> ;)
[13:21] <savvas> hi :P
[13:21] <Wrath> hey
[13:21] <Wrath> can someone tell me how to get rid of this stupid background...
[13:22] <Dr_willis> The Unicorn? or the Porn?
[13:22] <savvas> Wrath: right click on the desktop
[13:22] <Dr_willis> :)
[13:22] <m1r> savvas: i have vb instaled, and i dl guest add. but after mounting vbox crashed. now it didnt want to install anything further, so i deleted .iso. made bit mess there
[13:22] <DistroJockey> hehe
[13:22] <Dr_willis> or the eyesore default wallpaper?
[13:22] <dns53> love ubuntu-calendar
[13:22] <Wrath> Nah, it showed up just while i was booting
[13:22] <Wrath> its their april fools joke
[13:23] <Wrath> it showed up right before my login screen and then after i logged in for a sec until my regular desktop loaded
[13:23] <savvas> m1r: no idea, which version? I use the gutsy package, 1.5.6
[13:23] <Wrath> i think it was their april fools joke >.>
[13:23] <m1r> savvas , i unstaled same package
[13:23] <m1r> installed...
[13:24] <savvas> m1r: guest o/s? :)
[13:24] <m1r> guess :P
[13:24] <savvas> freebsd made some problems
[13:24] <savvas> windoze?
[13:24] <m1r> the one that shouldnt be spoken here savvas :P
[13:24] <savvas> :p
[13:24] <savvas> lol, lord of the doors ;)
[13:24] <savvas> if not windows :P
[13:24] <m1r> :P
[13:25] <savvas> so anyway, i have no idea :\ no crash report?
[13:25] <Wrath> updating again better get rid of it :s
[13:25] <m1r> not really savvas
[13:25] <m1r> i just run it again
[13:26] <m1r> but proble, is i deleted guest adds .iso as i thought that is problem with it
[13:30] <savvas> you can extract the .deb and get the .iso
[13:30] <m1r> where to get deb ?
[13:31]  * IdleOne speask of windows
[13:31] <m1r> i cant find any on site :/
[13:31] <savvas> https://cds.sun.com/is-bin/INTERSHOP.enfinity/WFS/CDS-CDS_SMI-Site/en_US/-/USD/ViewProductDetail-Start?ProductRef=innotek-1.5.6-G-F@CDS-CDS_SMI
[13:32] <IdleOne> why shouldnt we be allowed to mention windows? if windows does/has something that is usefull then it should be looked at. what should not be allowed is the mispelling/putting down/plain old trash talk about windows
[13:33] <IdleOne> IMHO of course
[13:33] <IdleOne> :P
[13:33] <geser> does sound work again with kernel 2.6.24-13-generic ?
[13:33] <IdleOne> sound has not stopped working here
[13:33] <IdleOne> I still have -12-generic
[13:33] <geser> hmm, the last working kernel with sound was -11-generic for me
[13:34] <phaidros> ok, a temporarily fix for non starting gnome-settings-daemon is to remove xserver-xgl. which unfortunately disables compiz
[13:35] <m1r> savvas ,how do i extract .deb ? :/
[13:36] <savvas> m1r: right click > extract here ;)
[13:36] <m1r> heh :P
[13:36] <m1r> tnx
[13:36] <dns53> it is a tar.gz or something like that
[13:36] <Wrath> you might have to install the kernel modules package to get sound to work again
[13:36] <crimsun> geser: considering l-u-m for linux_14.24 hasn't been accepted yet, it'll be difficult for sound to work for most people ;)
[13:36] <Wrath> I had to with the last kernel update
[13:37] <savvas> m1r: n/p, it should be in /usr/share/virtualbox/
[13:37] <geser> crimsun: thanks
[13:37] <crimsun> geser: do you have any additional details regarding where -12.2[23] broke?
[13:38] <blinkiz> having trouble with DNS. I can run "dig sigma.local" and I get the correct ip's from configured dns. Doing "ping sigma.local" and it does not work. It does not seems like ubuntu is trying to ask the dns server (wireshark sniffing). What can be wrong?
[13:38] <crimsun> geser: e.g., while running a kernel with broken audio, the URL generated from the alsa-info.sh script?
[13:38] <geser> no, I didn't look into it, I've read that -12 has sound problems so I booted -11 till now
[13:38] <blinkiz> But I can take the ip's from the dig command and ping all ip's- they respond
[13:38] <geser> crimsun: let me boot -12
[13:39] <chombee>  /quit
[13:40] <savvas>  /cheer
[13:40] <savvas> :)
[13:40] <dns53>  /tell joke
[13:41] <savvas>  /pretend to laugh :P
[13:42] <m1r> nothing in that deb package savvas :/
[13:42] <m1r> i mean from guest additions
[13:43] <IdleOne>   /gag me with a spoon
[13:43] <geser> crimsun: gah, as expected sound works now with -12 :( so it fixed itself since the last time I tested
[13:43] <savvas> m1r: data.tar.gz ./usr/share/virtualbox ?
[13:43] <IdleOne> automagicaly
[13:44] <m1r> savvas , i have it installed already
[13:44] <crimsun> geser: ok
[13:44] <m1r> i need just guest additions .iso
[13:44] <geser> crimsun: have you an idea why my digitalout doesn't work anymore? (it doesn't work with -11 anymore too)
[13:44] <m1r> oh wait
[13:45] <m1r> :)
[13:45] <m1r> srys
[13:45] <m1r> it is here
[13:45] <crimsun> geser: meaning with ALSA directly or with PulseAudio?
[13:45] <savvas> m1r: extract the .deb > extract the data.tar.gz > look in ./usr/share/virtualbox :)
[13:45] <savvas> ok
[13:45] <m1r> ye, was looking on wrong one :P
[13:45] <geser> alsa directly (at least I hope it's alsa directly)
[13:46] <bardyr> Hey, i have tried to enabled Nvidia's Coolbits but everytime i add it to Xorg, Xorg crashes without any errors, using hardy 32bit repo driver nvidia-glx-new with a nvidia 7600 go, what can i do to fix it?
[13:46] <crimsun> geser: so `aplay -Dplug:spdif /usr/share/sounds/*up.wav' and `aplay -Dplug:iec958 /usr/share/sounds/*up.wav' both fail?
[13:48] <IdleOne> Tpop,  welcome
[13:48] <m1r> ok got it, many tnx savvas :)
[13:50] <geser> crimsun: that works, audacious works too, but rhythmbox doesn't work. so it seems to be a rhythmbox/gstreamer problem?
[13:50] <Tpop> Thanks
[13:51] <crimsun> geser: is GSt set to use PulseAudio for its default audio sink?  If so, what happens if you change the default audio sink to ALSA using `gstreamer-properties'?
[13:51] <Tpop> So, IdleOne, do you have a link to where I can get the current beta?
[13:51] <crimsun> (I'm iffy about having PA as default, but that was never my call.  Oh well.)
[13:51] <nextstep> good morning
[13:52] <IdleOne> Tpop, www.ubuntu.com/testing
[13:52] <Tpop> Thanks. I can tell it is going to be a fun day.
[13:52] <IdleOne> Tpop, with ubuntu+1 it always is :)
[13:53] <nextstep> I have an oddity with Hardy figured someone might be able to help.  My welcome/login screen is in 640x480, but once I login the screen goes to my default resolution of 1920x1200.  Any ideas?
[13:53] <dns53> if you set the resolution with the gnome applet it will adjust it on login
[13:54] <IdleOne> nextstep: when logging in stand about 12 feet from the monitor . you wont be able to tell the difference :)
[13:54] <geser> crimsun: when I set ALSA and device to "Default" then I hear the test only in the headset, but after setting the device to "ALC883 Digital" it works with digital out but not in the headset anymore
[13:54] <nextstep> lol
[13:55] <crimsun> geser: I'd be very, very impressed if your headset had digital out.
[13:55] <geser> crimsun: setting it to "OSS" I hear the testsignal both on digitalout and headset
[13:55] <crimsun> geser: simultaneously?!
[13:56] <Tpop> Ok, downloading torrent and now back to work I get paid for.
[13:56] <IdleOne> Tpop: have a good day
[13:56] <geser> crimsun: yes, with OSS on both
[13:56]  * IdleOne returns to seeding the ubuntu iso
[13:56] <crimsun> geser: "both" refers to `gstreamer-properties'->default audio sink, or ...?
[13:57] <geser> crimsun: both refers to my headset and my digitally connected receiver
[13:58] <crimsun> ah, ok.
[13:58] <crimsun> geser: right, that seems to be a feature
[13:58] <crimsun> (well, either a feature in the osssink or a "feature" in the alsasink)
[13:59] <crimsun> geser: (the "feature" in the latter being that one can't easily construct linked multi pcm plugins - hence partly why PulseAudio exists)
[14:00] <geser> it worked already in the past but stopped around the time when linux kernel -12 was available
[14:01] <crimsun> geser: are you certain it's not related to a mixer element name change?
[14:02] <Malique> OK, I got sent in here LOL
[14:02] <Malique> I'm running Kubuntu Hardy Beta
[14:02] <dbmoodb> how does knetworkingmanager handle ?(with wifi)
[14:02] <Malique> I've got ndiswrapper running with the drivers for my RaLink RT2790 installed. Now my card is detected and I can see wireless access points, but it won't connect, it seems to hang on "obtaining IP address" (in wicd). Any idea where to go now?
[14:03] <Malique> Oh, not to mention it now takes ages to boot, with errors something about usb device descriptor read errors under "Loading manual drivers"
[14:03] <dbmoodb> .... an rt2790 is that new ? -- i thought they only had a 2570 or something ?
[14:04] <Malique> Yer I think so. It apparently fits under the rt2860 drivers, according to their website
[14:04] <crimsun> geser: i.e., erase /var/lib/alsa/asound.state after booting into -11, do "alsactl store", copy the created /var/lib/alsa/asound.state to someplace safe, then repeat with -12, then diff them.
[14:04] <Malique> I had to use the Windows drivers with ndiswrapper because the Linux drivers won't compile under 2.6.24 kernel
[14:05] <dbmoodb> oh really ? .....
[14:05] <compwiz18> Malique: does your card work otherwise?
[14:05] <bluecake> yo
[14:05] <compwiz18> like with dhclient and iwconfig and stuff?
[14:05] <bardyr> Hey, i have tried to enabled Nvidia's Coolbits but everytime i add it to Xorg, Xorg crashes without any errors, using hardy 32bit repo driver nvidia-glx-new with a nvidia 7600 go, are there anybody who got coolbits working with hardy?
[14:06] <Malique> You mean in Windows? Sure, and by some strange fluke of nature I even got it working for about 5 minutes in Kubuntu. But then I restarted the system and it wouldn't connect anymore (still detected though, and can scan for wireless AP's)
[14:06] <geser> crimsun: should this have an effect if I use audacious (I can hear with audacious on my headset and my receiver) or rhythmbox?
[14:06] <Malique> iwconfig does work yer
[14:06] <compwiz18> Malique: what driver do you have selected in wicd?
[14:06] <zarlino> hi all: i've been hit by the SUDO after upgrading to Kubuntu Hardy
[14:06] <compwiz18> and does the AP use some sort of encryption?
[14:07] <zarlino> please help me
[14:07] <Malique> I've left it as default wext, but I also tried a couple of the others including ndiswrapper
[14:07] <crimsun> geser: depends on what audacious uses as its backend (ALSA?  OSS [via ALSA's emulation]?  GSt configured to ALSA?  GSt configured to OSS [via ALSA's emulation]?  GSt configured to PulseAudio [using ALSA hw:]?)
[14:07] <Malique> The AP is using WPA2, but I also disabled the encryption to try it out, no luck with that either
[14:08] <nextstep>  I have an oddity with Hardy figured someone might be able to help.  My welcome/login screen is in 640x480, but once I login the screen goes to my default resolution of 1920x1200.  Any ideas?
[14:09] <geser> crimsun: I've set up audacious to use the "ALSA output plugin"
[14:10] <crimsun> geser: ok, and did you have to create a custom asoundrc?
[14:10] <Malique> I just tried swapping back to knetworkmanager, and it doesn't detect the card at all :s so wicd can pick up the card and find networks but it just can't connect to them
[14:11] <zarlino> I've been hit by the sudo bug after upgrading to Kubuntu Hardy. Please help me
[14:11] <bardyr> geser, why dont you just set audacious to use pulseaudio?
[14:11] <bardyr> zarlino, sudo bug?
[14:11] <Malique> Also, it seems there may be a link between these usb device descriptor errors and such and the wicd daemon not being loaded properly at startup
[14:11] <crimsun> bardyr: because it breaks.  See above.
[14:11] <zarlino> bardyr: yes, sudo says: sudo: unable to resolve host X
[14:12] <geser> crimsun: no ~/.asoundrc
[14:12] <bardyr> zarlino, boot up in recovery add your host name in your /etc/hosts file
[14:12] <crimsun> geser: ok, then it's definitely an alsasink "feature"
[14:12] <zarlino> bardyr: wow i knew about /etc/hosts but did not think about recovery mode
[14:12] <crimsun> geser: thanks for helping chase it down
[14:13] <bardyr> zarlino, or i think you can go to System -> Administration -> Network and add the host rule
[14:13] <zarlino> bardyr: no beacuse i'm on kde
[14:13] <bardyr> zarlino, it should use policykit and not sudo
[14:13] <Malique> When wicd tries to connect to my AP, it swaps between "NETGEAR: Obtaining IP address" and "None: Obtaining IP addrsss" for about a minute or two, before it gives up and goes back to "Not connected"
[14:13] <bardyr> zarlino, thats a problem then :)
[14:13] <zarlino> bardyr: :) anyway a lot of thanks!
[14:13] <zarlino> bardyr: i'll the recovery mode
[14:14] <geser> crimsun: if I set output to "OSS" in gstreamer-properties" I can hear the test signal on both outputs, but when I start then rhythmbox then I can hear the music only on the headset
[14:14] <bazhang> odd amarok behaviour; should I pursue this in amarok or here?
[14:14] <bardyr> zarlino, np
[14:14] <geser> bardyr: I've no pulseaudio installed
[14:15] <Malique> compwiz18: Still with me?
[14:15] <crimsun> geser: how is System>Preferences>Sound configured for each profile?
[14:18] <Malique> Anyone? :(
[14:18] <geser> crimsun: when I set in gstreamer-properties output to "ALSA" an device to Digital I can hear the Test sound on my receiver (but not on the head set) and playing music in rhythmbox is the other way around
[14:18] <geser> crimsun: all playbacks are set to "Autodetect"
[14:19] <Malique> Nobody can help me with my wireless problem?
[14:19] <geser> crimsun: what the difference between "Autodecect" and "Autodetect (Custom)"?
[14:21] <crimsun> geser: when it honours an asoundrc
[14:21] <geser> crimsun: "Autodetect" -> only headset, "Autodetect (Custom)" -> only receiver
[14:22] <sveri> Malique: i can tell you that you are not the only one with a wireless problem :D
[14:22] <bluecake> how to switch 'tabs' in firefox, since alt-tab will not worlk
[14:22] <Malique> If I run dhclient it tries to send out a DHCPDISCOVER on my wireless card, but gets nothing back
[14:23] <digin4> bluecake alt+1 alt+2 etc
[14:23] <bluecake> digin4, is there alt-X where it will cycle through?
[14:24] <digin4> bluecake no idea
[14:24] <bluecake> digin4, how to close tab with keyboard? like alt-f4
[14:25] <digin4> ctrl+w bluecake
[14:26] <geser> crimsun: after setting in the Sound preferences "Music and Movies" to "ALC883 Digital" rhythmbox uses digital out (but no headset anymore)
[14:26] <derspankster> Malique: I had a problem with my broadcom driver.  Hardy had the bcm43 available but I couldn't enable it. I uninstalled it and reinstalled it and it all works now.
[14:26] <bluecake> digin4, oh....
[14:26] <bluecake> thx
[14:27] <derspankster> Not sure that helps you situation but thought I'd share it.
[14:27] <Malique> derspanker: My card isn't supported by the kernel drivers at all :( there's nothing really for me to try and reinstall
[14:28] <Malique> Thanks though
[14:28] <J-_> Is the VMware player in the repos?
[14:28] <Malique> It's really the only suggestiong anyone's bothered to give me here
[14:28] <derspankster> ah, I see. I was using ndiswrapper in Gutsy.
[14:29] <derspankster> Malique: I understand. I've had my fair share of wireless issues myself.
[14:29] <bluecake> digin4, control-tab to cycle
[14:29] <Malique> My wireless on my old laptop works flawlessly. It''s just this damn new laptop :@ I've had to make do with ndiswrapper drivers
[14:30] <digin4> bluecake cool ;D
[14:30] <savvas> Malique: i think you can find a driver module and easily install it using module-assistant
[14:30] <savvas> well.. if it works i see no problem then :P
[14:30] <savvas> new laptops means they need time to get tested
[14:31] <savvas> my intel core 2 duo wasn't working in feisty, but was ok in gutsy :)
[14:31] <Malique> savvas: The sad thing is, there's a Linux driver just SITTING there for me to use, but because it won't compile on 2.6.24 kernel I can't use it :(
[14:32] <savvas> Malique: once again, a lot of people have had success with: apt-get install module-assistant
[14:33] <compwiz18> Malique: you said you got it to work once
[14:33] <compwiz18> ?
[14:33] <compwiz18> (sorry, had to go downstairs)
[14:34] <Malique> compwiz18: Yer, for no particular reason it just connected once! Then I had to restart, and it didn't do it again after that. It just went back to trying to connect and failling
[14:35] <compwiz18> hum
[14:35] <sveri> Malique: i have the same prob here
[14:35] <compwiz18> have you tried network-manager or something?
[14:35] <compwiz18> It sounds like a driver problem though
[14:35] <sveri> Malique: yesterday i installed gutsy on my notebook, after installing i could connect to my wlan once, but not again
[14:36] <sveri> Malique: today i installed hardy, i was able to connect once to my wlan, make the upgrades, but after rebooting, it doesnt work anymore
[14:36] <compwiz18> sveri: what tool are you using to connect?
[14:36] <sveri> compwiz18: the networkmanager
[14:36] <geser> crimsun: I'm a little bit nearer to the problem: downgrading gstreamer0.10-alsa to 0.10.17-3 "fixed" it
[14:36] <sveri> compwiz18: especially the applet
[14:36] <Malique> compwiz18: I'm running Kubuntu, so I tried knetwork-manager, but it wouldn't even pick up the card at all. iwlist and iwconfig do, as does dhclient (but it can't get anything back from DHCPDISCOVER)
[14:36] <savvas> did you report a bug? :)
[14:37] <sveri> savvas: not yet
[14:37] <savvas> well that sounds like a bug :p
[14:37] <sveri> i am about to search the forums and all to maybe find a solution
[14:37] <compwiz18> wicd, networkmanager, and iwlist and friends fail
[14:37] <compwiz18> sounds like a driver problem to me
[14:38] <sveri> savvas: the problem is, my sister goes to england in a week, and she needs a running notebook
[14:38] <sveri> and no bug report :D
[14:38] <Malique> compwiz18: Mine, or sveri's? My wicd can pick up the card and find the network, it just can't connect to it
[14:38] <compwiz18> they'll be lots of updates in a week :P
[14:38] <compwiz18> sveri: can your card see the network?
[14:39] <compwiz18> using networkmanager?
[14:39] <sveri> compwiz18: yes
[14:39] <savvas> sveri: gutsy doesn't work?
[14:39] <Malique> Same problem as me: can SEE the network, just can't connect to it
[14:39] <compwiz18> sveri: Malique you both have the same card, yes?
[14:39] <geser> crimsun: it broke between gstreamer0.10-alsa 0.10.17-3 and 0.10.17.3-1 (with 0.10.17-3 playback works on both outputs but not anymore with 0.10.17.3-1)
[14:39] <sveri> savvas: no, it didnt recognize the usb module, i had to install ndiswrapper and the drivers from cd
[14:40] <edgecase> what's the randr applet pkg in Hardy?
[14:40] <sveri> i have a dlink dwl-g122 Rev B usb adapter
[14:40] <edgecase> grandr, gnome-randr-applet, ?
[14:40] <dondong> hi,every1
[14:40] <Malique> compwiz18: not sure, mine's a RaLink I know that much (I'm guessing RT2790 due to it's lspci output "Unknown device 2790")
[14:40] <sveri> Malique: which one do you have?
[14:40] <sveri> ah ok, mine uses the rt2500 usb driver
[14:41] <Malique> Well, they're both still RaLink's ;)
[14:41] <sveri> Malique:
[14:41] <sveri> Malique: ok, i think i file a bug report
[14:41] <savvas> um
[14:41] <savvas> I have dwlg122
[14:41] <Malique> sveri: but I have to use ndiswrapper and the Windows drivers to make mine work
[14:41] <savvas> says c1
[14:41] <Malique> Whereas you're using native drivers
[14:42] <Malique> Might make it a bit different
[14:42] <sveri> savvas: and it works out of the box? under hardy?
[14:42] <sveri> Malique: i think you got a newer chipset than me
[14:42] <savvas> sveri: never had a wireless to connect to :\
[14:42] <sveri> savvas: :D
[14:42] <sveri> lucky guy
[14:42] <savvas> sveri: actually..
[14:42] <savvas> it does work
[14:43] <Malique> sveri: Yer I think so, it's only a very new laptop
[14:43] <savvas> it sees an "alphabravocharlie" wireless nearby
[14:43] <sveri> savvas: youre running ubuntu or kubuntu or xubuntu?
[14:43] <savvas> ubuntu
[14:43] <savvas> gnome 2.22 :)
[14:43] <lopov> hey guys, im having touble adding a proxy in konqueror... when i try to apply the setting it say update failed "please restart kde for this to take effect", is there any reason why its doing that?
[14:43] <edgecase> This Beta brings a new Screen Resolution utility that allows users to dynamically configure the resolution, refresh rate, and rotation of a second monitor <--- what pkg provides that?
[14:44] <sveri> savvas: maybe its a bug with the nm?
[14:44] <Turski> lopov: maybe you should restart kde?
[14:44] <lopov> well ive tried many times
[14:44] <folp> Hello, I've a very strange problem: I'm running hardy and the other day my notebook has started to behave oddly
[14:44] <savvas> sveri: Bus 007 Device 003: ID 07d1:3c03 D-Link System
[14:44] <savvas> :)
[14:44] <savvas> probably
[14:45] <lopov> Turski: but since when do you have to restart kde for something so small like tht??
[14:45] <sveri> savvas: 2001:3c00
[14:45] <compwiz18> folp: we'll be able to help you better if you define "oddly"
[14:45] <b4l74z4r> i can't get youtube videos in fullscreen to work properly in 8.04 beta
[14:45] <folp> Basically: the CPU runs at 1/10 when it doesn't run from the battery alone
[14:46] <compwiz18> folp: so you're saying that the CPU scales down even when plugged in?
[14:46] <folp> It seems like some hardware problem, my I'm literaly clueless about this
[14:46] <compwiz18> folp: when you do something CPU intensive, does the CPU scale up?
[14:47] <savvas>   iManufacturer           1 Ralink
[14:47] <savvas>   iProduct                2 802.11 bg WLAN
[14:47] <savvas> mihihihi
[14:47] <folp> compwiz18: The funny thing is that it doesn't scale. cpufreq reports always the same frequency
[14:47] <savvas> let me try it out
[14:48] <folp> And besides that, my CPU can scale down to 1GHz as the minimum
[14:48] <folp> lmbench says that it runs at about 130Mhz
[14:48] <Malique> savvas: BTW, I tried module-assistant to make fresh rt2x00 modules. It failed miserably during the compile process
[14:48] <folp> compwiz18: No, it's not related to usage
[14:49] <compwiz18> folp: so you're saying that the CPU is scaling down way to far?
[14:49] <Malique> Due to the fact the drivers are already built directly into the kernel so it won't recompile them
[14:49] <compwiz18> recompile the kernel
[14:49] <compwiz18> always a good wednesday evening activity
[14:50] <sveri> Malique, savvas, compwiz18: i created a new user, and see, he can connect to the wlan, i think its a bug within the xfce wallet system
[14:50] <Malique> Oh **** that for a joke LOL
[14:50] <folp> compwiz18: Something like that but it's not "scaling down" as in Speedstep
[14:50] <folp> It's "scaling down" as in "WTF?!"
[14:50] <savvas> sveri: try clear the hidden dir of xfce then :P
[14:51] <compwiz18> sveri: using network-manager, right?
[14:51] <nextstep>  I have an oddity with Hardy figured someone might be able to help.  My welcome/login screen is in 640x480, but once I login the screen goes to my default resolution of 1920x1200.  Any ideas?
[14:51] <sveri> compwiz18: right
[14:51] <folp> The logs say nothing about that nor something that I can relate to hardware problems
[14:51] <sveri> savvas: yea, its a workaround, but not a good one ;-)
[14:52] <folp> Has anyone experienced anything like that with a notebook, ever?
[14:52] <compwiz18> sorry, folp, I'm totally confused
[14:52] <compwiz18> so you have a computer, right?
[14:52] <compwiz18> and it has a CPU?
[14:52] <J-_> When will Vmware server, and player be in the repos?
[14:52] <Malique> sveri: Isn't xfce another WM? I'm using KDE
[14:52] <compwiz18> and the scaling for said CPU isn't working correctly?
[14:53] <folp> compwiz18: It's not the CPU scaling that slows down the CPU
[14:53] <sveri> Malique: yes
[14:53] <compwiz18> folp: so then what is slowing down the CPU?
[14:53] <compwiz18> theoretically the ability to connect to a network is not connected in any way to the WM you are using...
[14:54] <folp> compwiz18: I've a Core Duo, it can scale down to 1GHz and not below.
[14:54] <folp> compwiz18: I don't know :-)
[14:54] <compwiz18> folp: OK. how are you seeing what it is currently scaled to?
[14:54] <folp> compwiz18: Now it's at 1GHz
[14:55] <compwiz18> folp: what program are you using to see the speed?
[14:55] <Malique> sveri: Well that probably won't help me then LOL
[14:55] <folp> compwiz18: BUT it's painfully slow. A benchmark says that the CPU is a 130MHz and that seems about right judging from what I'm seeing.
[14:55] <compwiz18> Malique: sveri it sounds to me like you two have different bugs
[14:55] <compwiz18> folp: is something eating your CPU?
[14:56] <compwiz18> like running in the background?
[14:56] <sveri> compwiz18: Malique yeah, i think so too
[14:56] <folp> compwiz18:  cpufreq-info
[14:56] <folp> compwiz18: Nope.
[14:56] <compwiz18> folp: are you sure?
[14:57] <compwiz18> if it says it is scaled to 1ghz, it probably is
[14:57] <folp> It's like some evil spirit replaced my Core Duo with a Pentium
[14:57] <Malique> sveri / compwiz18: yer I think so too. I've already got a bug report up for my wireless card, I'll think I'll addmy experience with ndiswrapper to it
[14:57] <compwiz18> it sounds like sveri's problem is with networkmanager and the keyring manager
[14:57] <sveri> Malique: could you paste the url here plz?
[14:57] <compwiz18> wicd doesn't use the keyring manager, so that isn't your problem
[14:57] <Malique> **** it, I got it working again, but it's just like last time, weird ass bug
[14:58] <compwiz18> Malique: how'd you do that?
[14:58] <Malique> sveri: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+bug/210725
[14:58] <compwiz18> :P
[14:58] <ubotu> Launchpad bug 210725 in ubuntu "RaLink RT2790 not working" [Undecided,New]
[14:58] <sveri> Malique: thx
[14:58] <folp> compwiz18: I've the ondemand governor, if there would be something eating my CPU it would scale UP to 1.67 GHz.
[14:58] <compwiz18> folp: this is true.
[14:59] <Malique> compwiz18: OK, I did sveri's trick with the new user. I tried to connect, nothing. I then connected with the wired connection, that worked. I then tried connecting to the wireless without disconnecting the wired, and it connected me to wireless. It only works once though
[14:59] <compwiz18> Malique: this is using Wicd?
[14:59] <Malique> compwiz18: Yup, wicd. knetworkmanager doesn't pick up networks at all
[15:00] <folp> I can rmmod acpi-cpufreq and see the same thing, so it's not Speedstep related.
[15:00] <compwiz18> folp: hard drive usage?
[15:00] <folp> compwiz18: Zero
[15:00] <compwiz18> Malique: it shouldn't matter if you connect to the wired network first...
[15:01] <Malique> compwiz18: Yer, it does for some reason. Don't know why. That's how it happened the last time too, I thought it was just a random occurrence. But this time it NEEDED me to connect wired first before it would connect to the wireless
[15:01] <compwiz18> Malique: that is one weird bug
[15:01] <folp> And, if I remove the power cord, all is fine
[15:01] <folp> ls
[15:02] <folp> Err.
[15:02] <Malique> compwiz18: You're telling me! LOL. And it's definitely only once it works. If you disconnect even during that session and try it again it doesn't work.
[15:02] <folp> Can I dying battery do this?
[15:03] <folp> s/I/a/
[15:03] <compwiz18> folp: just out of curiousity: what happens if you take the battery out while the laptop is plugged in?
[15:03] <Malique> Grrrr, is anyone else having a problem in Kubuntu Hardy trying to log out BTW? If I try logging out it just goes black screen and I can't access other consoles or anything :s
[15:03] <compwiz18> Malique: you are having a lot of trouble :P
[15:04] <folp> compwiz18: Let's see...
[15:04] <Malique> Tell me about it :'( I've been trying to get this damn laptop converted from Vista to Kubuntu for the past THREE DAYS!!! I'm starting to run out of valium and sleep
[15:04] <folp> It's still slow...
[15:04] <Malique> I've been Windows-free since Dapper, and I'll be damned if I'm going back there! LOL
[15:04] <folp> I guess this rules out the battery.
[15:05] <compwiz18> folp: it would appear
[15:05] <compwiz18> I'd tell you to unplug the power now and see if it still happens
[15:05] <compwiz18> but somehow...
[15:05] <compwiz18> :P
[15:05] <compwiz18> anyway
[15:05] <folp> It would be slower. :)
[15:06] <compwiz18> I think it might be too :)
[15:07] <compwiz18> my laptop thinks its fun to randomly alternate between the battery and the ac plug
[15:07] <compwiz18> it makes that little icon in the corner go crazy
[15:08] <folp> BTW this state persist during a reboot.
[15:08] <folp> I.e. the kernel itself loads slowly
[15:09] <compwiz18> I think the AC adapter is messed up
[15:09] <derspankster> Just got notice of 53 Hardy updates
[15:10] <heartsblood> Whats the command to replace metacity with compiz?
[15:10] <compwiz18> (for my laptop, not yours, folp)
[15:10] <sveri> does somebody know where xfce stores the passwords information?
[15:10] <bazhang> compiz --replace in run window heartsblood
[15:10] <heartsblood> I thought there was more to it..
[15:11] <heartsblood> o.o ty
[15:11] <folp> compwiz18: I bought one and it costed me 80€ :-( I hope your doesn't cost as much...
[15:11] <compwiz18> I hope it doesn't too
[15:11] <compwiz18> that's pretty high for a power cord
[15:12] <compwiz18> I have no idea what the problem with yours is
[15:12] <compwiz18> hey
[15:12] <compwiz18> what about your graphics card?
[15:12] <compwiz18> and how much ram do you have?
[15:12] <folp> 1GiB
[15:13] <folp> The graphic board is an Intel945.
[15:13] <compwiz18> hm
[15:13] <compwiz18> folp: did you have this problem in other linux distros?
[15:13] <compwiz18> I presume not
[15:14] <folp> At first I tought of something X-related, messing up with registers in my card (there were an update for the intel driver), but I'm using vesa right now.
[15:14] <folp> compwiz18: I've just Ubuntu on this machine.
[15:15] <compwiz18> never had this problem before though?
[15:15] <folp> compwiz18: Never in my life. It started two days ago when I bought the Wii :D
[15:15] <compwiz18> lol
[15:16] <compwiz18> does your laptop have a bluetooth adapter?
[15:16] <folp> I considered the Wii wi-fi as well as the culprit...
[15:16] <folp> Nope.
[15:16] <compwiz18> hm
[15:16] <compwiz18> ok
[15:16] <compwiz18> how many prongs does your laptop power cord have?
[15:17] <Stroganoff> after upgrading to hardy, the fonts of XDM are huge no matter what theme file I use. http://www.abload.de/img/xdm-hardy-huge4t9.png http://pastebin.com/m3199cd20
[15:17] <Stroganoff> any ideas?
[15:17] <folp> What's strange to me it's that it seems some sort of hardware problem and yet there is no error or crashes anywhere
[15:17] <compwiz18> folp: how many prongs does your laptop power cord have?
[15:18] <compwiz18> folp: just a weird idea: what happens if you unplug the wii?
[15:19] <folp> compwiz18: I had to look up prongs in Google images, sorry, english is not my mother tongue
[15:19] <compwiz18> folp: ah, sorry
[15:19] <folp> compwiz18: Are you into furry fandom? :P
[15:20] <compwiz18> folp: I thought you just missed my message :)
[15:20] <folp> compwiz18: Three, BTW.
[15:20] <folp> compwiz18: I've unplugged it yesterday, and it's the same
[15:20] <compwiz18> ok
[15:20] <Malique> OK, I tried to replicate the whole make a new user and connect to wired then wireless thing, but now it won't do it again. It seems to be just as random as it was the first time :(
[15:20] <compwiz18> I've seen some weird interfernce with the three prong plugs
[15:21] <compwiz18> interference**
[15:21] <folp> compwiz18: I would expect disastrous crashes with interferences at the power source
[15:21] <compwiz18> for me, it just caused audio distortion and video distortion
[15:21] <compwiz18> but it was really weird
[15:21] <compwiz18> and have the same symptoms
[15:22] <compwiz18> unhappy when plugged in, perfect when unplugged
[15:22] <folp> Uhm... the gnome-power-manager graph says that in these 10 minutes the battery charge is stable
[15:22] <folp> And I'm plugged now
[15:22] <folp> This means it's not recharging
[15:23] <compwiz18> strange
[15:23] <compwiz18> folp: do you have an adapter like pictured here: http://home.earthlink.net/~huston2/images/adapter_3_prong_vlh.gif
[15:23] <NET||abuse> hm, just got a new lappy, d630, it's nice,, but it has Vista on it... was thinking of using the windows image idea, but then i was also thinking of running vista as a vmware image inside linux.. not sure what i should do here
[15:24] <folp> compwiz18: I'm in Europe, I've got this:
[15:25] <folp> http://www.youbuy.it/280x280/wak5011Bg.jpg
[15:26] <folp> Now, I would say this is the battery's fault, but before we've tested it without the battery...
[15:26] <compwiz18> yes...
[15:26] <Malique> Note to all: DON'T EVER GET THIS LAPTOP IF YOU EXPECT LINUX TO WORK ON IT: http://www.medion.de/md96420/au/flash.html
[15:27] <folp> Please god-of-laptops, don't make me spend money on this :-/
[15:27] <compwiz18> folp: random idea again: can you take it somewhere else and plug it in? work, school, etc, and see if the problem is solved?
[15:27] <folp> compwiz18: I will try that tomorrow.
[15:27] <compwiz18> the god-of-laptops is unhappy today, I think
[15:28] <compwiz18> it turns out my power cord is partially severed in one location
[15:28] <compwiz18> I can see the wires...
[15:28] <compwiz18> and it doesn't let hte computer run...
[15:28] <folp> compwiz18: If this will work consider you invited to a session of Wii Sports :-)
[15:28]  * compwiz18 is unhappy
[15:28] <bjwebb_> why is there no gstreamer-mad package?
[15:28] <compwiz18> folp: ah ha :) I do hope it works, but I wouldn't count on it :/
[15:29] <folp> compwiz18: If it's just the cable you can solder it and get away with that.
[15:29] <compwiz18> i'm not sure if its shorted or something
[15:29] <folp> compwiz18: I will need my electrical system replaced, if it works that way. :-)
[15:30] <compwiz18> and the thing turns on for a fraction of a second when I press the pwoer button
[15:30] <Stroganoff> is there anyone here using XDM in hardy?
[15:31] <Malique> Oh for **** sake, now my laptop is possessed, it connected to the network by ITSELF this time!
[15:31] <folp> Malique: Medion? WTF is that?
[15:31] <Malique> folp: it's a German brand, little known, almost exclusively sold in ALDI stores
[15:32] <folp> Malique: I see, it seems nice estetically
[15:32] <derspankster> ALDI only sells groceries in the US
[15:33] <Malique> Oh it does doesn't it? Except I have no sound or wireless and chances are the TV tuner card won't work either but I haven't bothered with that just yet. And don't even THINK about the webcam LOL
[15:33] <Adys> How can i restart SCIM from the terminal?
[15:33] <Malique> derspanker: Fair enough, here in Australia they sell everything, kind of like Walmart I guess
[15:34] <derspankster> I like their stores actually
[15:34] <folp> Malique: Frame it for others to see. ;)
[15:35] <derspankster> at least you're not stuck with a SIS POS video card as I am
[15:35] <folp> Ugh, a new battery comes at 90€.
[15:36] <compwiz18> yep
[15:36] <compwiz18> I think a new power cord is in my future
[15:36] <compwiz18> I tried one for another model, same brand, and it works perfectly... :(
[15:36] <compwiz18> on the brightside, that means my laptop isn't screwed up
[15:38] <folp> Remember kids, buy notebooks with Intel video cards.
[15:38] <jimqode> and also don't buy notebooks with broadcom or dell wireless cards
[15:39] <folp> Exactly.
[15:39] <compwiz18> hey
[15:39] <compwiz18> I bought a notebook with an ATI card and a Broadcom card
[15:39] <folp> And don't buy a Wii if you have a notebook in the same room! Something evil will happen.
[15:39]  * compwiz18 is smart :P
[15:40]  * Malique is dumb and bought a cheap ass laptop :(
[15:41] <compwiz18> looks like a nice laptop thoiugh
[15:42] <derspankster> Broadcom is much better supported now
[15:42] <compwiz18> not a whole lot that I've found
[15:42] <compwiz18> I still do it the same way I did when I got the thing
[15:42] <compwiz18> ndiswrapper
[15:43] <derspankster> but hardy supplies a driver
[15:44] <compwiz18> which didn't work
[15:44] <compwiz18> but I blame the fact that it is an old install of Gutsy beta
[15:44] <compwiz18> not hardy
[15:45] <derspankster> I got it to work by first uninstalling it and then reinstalling it. Through terminal.
[15:45] <compwiz18> b43?
[15:45] <derspankster> yes
[15:45] <compwiz18> yeah
[15:45] <derspankster> using it right now
[15:45] <compwiz18> it refused to scan for networks
[15:45] <compwiz18> I'm gonna reinstall hardy from the disk on that computer, I think
[15:45] <compwiz18> see if it works then
[15:46] <derspankster> http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=737549&highlight=hardy
[15:46] <DanaG> Odd, the -13 kernel has been replaced by the -14 kernel, yet neither has an -ubuntu-modules package.
[15:47] <derspankster> that link is for the uninstall/install howto - sorry
[15:48] <compwiz18> I unchecked the box and rmmod'ed the driver and modprobe'd it and stuff
[15:48] <compwiz18> no love
[15:48] <compwiz18> toggled the hardware manager box a bunch of times too
[15:48] <compwiz18> and rebooted
[15:48] <compwiz18> a lot
[15:48]  * compwiz18 is glad the floodbot only lives in #ubuntu
[15:48] <Smygis> Why doesnt firefox 3 do any spellchecking. Well it does but why dont i get any sugesstions on correct spelling? I clearly remember getting that back in the days with firefox 2. If its broken i might as well go back to use opera.
[15:49] <derspankster> Smygis: likely because FF3 isn't final
[15:50] <compwiz18> folp: if you have a chance after you try a different outlet/electrical system, I'd be interested to know the results
[15:51] <derspankster> compwiz18:did you read the link I posted?
[15:51] <compwiz18> derspankster: yeah
[15:52] <compwiz18> i'll try that tomorrow
[15:52] <Smygis> Its beta 4... And comes as the browser of choice in hardy. Than it shuld not be broken in such a way.
[15:52] <compwiz18> too late to get the hardy box out now
[15:52] <derspankster> it worked perfectly for me
[15:52] <Turski> Smygis: and you think hardy is final now?
[15:52] <Smygis> no
[15:53] <Turski> looks like there isnät even all locales in repos
[15:53] <derspankster> I have a Broadcom 4318
[15:54] <savvas> Smygis: https://addons.mozilla.org/en-US/firefox/browse/type:3
[15:54] <derspankster> Smygis:FF3 has other bugs as well. Be patient.
[15:54] <briareos90> hi everyone
[15:55] <briareos90> is hardy beta stable enough for desktop install yet ?
[15:55] <compwiz18> briareos90: it will be stable when it is release ;)
[15:55] <savvas> Smygis: some language packs aren't compatible with the new firefox 3, try them, or switch to opera or switch to opera if you would like your old firefox back: sudo apt-get install firefox-2; firefox-2
[15:55] <Malique> Not particularly :s
[15:56] <savvas> -"or switch to opera" :P
[15:57] <briareos90> compwiz18: lol .. its okay if it isnt very unstable
[15:57] <briareos90> compwiz18: like the time i tried fedora 8 rawhide :p
[15:59] <hydrogen> switch to opera.
[16:00] <savvas> briareos90: fedora 9 rawhide?
[16:04] <compwiz18> derspankster: I have a 4318 too
[16:04] <compwiz18> there is hope!
[16:04] <compwiz18> bcm43xx worked, so I see no reason b43 shouldn't
[16:04] <numus> this might sound really stupid.. but does ubuntu eat battery life more then winblows? my battery doesnt seem to last as long on hardy
[16:04] <compwiz18> it very well may
[16:04] <jimiridge> checkout powertop numus
[16:04] <numus> !powertop
[16:04] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about powertop - try searching on http://ubotu.ubuntu-nl.org/factoids.cgi
[16:04] <numus> lol
[16:04] <compwiz18> !info powertop
[16:04] <ubotu> Package powertop does not exist in hardy
[16:05] <jimiridge> yes it does
[16:05] <compwiz18> ubotu was broken yesterday
[16:05] <numus> ubotu never lies :-)
[16:05] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about never lies :-) - try searching on http://ubotu.ubuntu-nl.org/factoids.cgi
[16:05] <compwiz18> he might still be today
 Error: I am only a bot, please don't think I'm intelligen
[16:05] <compwiz18> :P
[16:05] <compwiz18> anyway
[16:06] <numus> what is powertop.. i am logged into vista right noow so i cant search repos
[16:06] <jimiridge> google
[16:06] <Lamego> numus, is a utility which displays processes power consuption
[16:06] <briareos90> savvas: nope the ;ast fedora i tried was 8 :p
[16:06] <numus> lamego ahh thanks
[16:06] <numus> i gotta say i am not liking firefox 3 so much
[16:07] <briareos90> savvas: i dont really like not being able to turn dma on for my IDE hdds
[16:07] <savvas> :P
[16:07] <folp> Bye guys.
[16:07] <briareos90> lol
[16:08] <numus> now that that is solved.. is there any easy way to interface windows with ext3? i ran ubuntu server on my server once and i couldnt' get most of my terminals to connect properly.. including my xbmc xbox to view movies.. and ubuntu didnt like reading the ntfs drive THAT much...
[16:08] <Lamego> there is an ext3 driver
[16:08] <numus> lamego that caused a huge problem in the past when attempting over samba
[16:08] <briareos90> i'd prefer using ntfs3g with linux than using an ext3 with windows
[16:09] <briareos90> because in my experience ext3 drivers for windows have higher chance to corrupt linux partitions
[16:10] <numus> briaros90 my problem is it would mount the drive and the swap drive.. then if i restarted it. .they were still mounted but no data could be access.. then i would reinstall it and i would have 2 copies of each drive and swap
[16:10] <jimiridge> \http://gentoo-wiki.com/Ext3_in_windows
[16:10] <Malique> Does anyone know what the hell this means when I try to run alsamixer?
[16:10] <numus> !info ntfs
[16:11] <Malique> ALSA lib simple_none.c:1491:(simple_add1) helem (MIXER,'Headphone Playback Switch',0,2,0) appears twice or more
[16:11] <ubotu> Package ntfs does not exist in hardy
[16:11] <Malique> alsamixer: function snd_mixer_load failed: Invalid argument
[16:11] <numus> !ntfs
[16:11] <ubotu> To view your Windows/Mac partitions see https://help.ubuntu.com/community/AutomaticallyMountPartitions - For write access, see /msg ubotu NTFS-3g or /msg ubotu FUSE
[16:11] <numus> i hate how i have to run tuncfg everytime i want to login to hamachi.. kinda blows
[16:11] <jimiridge> thats cause hamachi is lame
[16:12] <jimiridge> a real person would use VPN
[16:12] <numus> jimridge need a cross platform vpn
[16:12] <jimiridge> openvpn
[16:12] <jimiridge> what do you think openvpn is?
[16:12] <Malique> I can NOT get this damn sound working :'(
[16:12] <nemo> you know, I've never seen the need for vpn
[16:12] <numus> jimridge when i originally looked at it a while ago it didnt say it supported cross platform
[16:12] <nemo> everything I've ever needed to do has worked fine over SSH
[16:12] <numus> i might have to research that more
[16:13] <nemo> rdesktop, nxclient, X, sshfs...
[16:13] <numus> memo you have never been outside your network on a private network hvae you?
[16:13] <Malique> I tried recompiling the alsa drivers etc. from source, it didn't work
[16:13] <nemo> numus: um. I have that setup right now
[16:13] <numus> i use radmin with a vpn
[16:13] <nemo> numus: damn vpn at work is way too slow
[16:13] <nemo> numus: they use aventail
[16:13] <nemo> numus: so. I switched to using an ssh tunnel
[16:13] <nemo> faster, more reliable.
[16:13] <numus> nemo i have problems with everything but vpn on my college networks
[16:14] <nemo> and doesn't screw with my routing table
[16:15] <numus> ok firefox 3 is way way to flashy
[16:16] <wangfg-x31> why my kde4 cannot display pop window?
[16:16] <jimiridge> openvpn's site got a fresh new look
[16:16] <jimiridge> very pretty
[16:17] <RolandoVII> pretty?
[16:17] <adinc> which screensaver is hardy using? is it still xscreensaver?
[16:17] <Malique> Screw it, I'll just make another bug report
[16:18] <jimiridge> gnome-screensaver
[16:18] <RolandoVII> can I get fresher iso's of hardy than the first beta somewhere?
[16:18] <adinc> jimiridge: but the wiki says it is xscreensaver
[16:18] <jessica_> dose GeForce 6100 graphics card work with hardy
[16:18] <jimiridge> i think they share
[16:19] <adinc> jimiridge: how you mean?
[16:19] <jimiridge> they share libs
[16:20] <adinc> is there a repository for screensavers?
[16:23] <savvas> you need more? :P
[16:24] <savvas> no offense but there are like 50 included right?
[16:26] <numus>  hciconfig hci0 down ; rmmod hci_usb
[16:26] <numus> ERROR: Removing 'hci_usb': Operation not permitted
[16:26] <savvas> sudo ?
[16:27] <numus> ran it
[16:27] <numus> same thing
[16:27] <savvas> erm.. ls -l /lib/modules/2.6.24-12-generic/kernel/drivers/bluetooth/hci_usb.ko
[16:27] <numus> numus@numus-laptop:~$ sudo echo 1500 > /proc/sys/vm/dirty_writeback_centisecs
[16:27] <numus> bash: /proc/sys/vm/dirty_writeback_centisecs: Permission denied
[16:29] <jimiridge> need to be root
[16:29] <numus> still wont allow hciconfig hci0 down
[16:29] <numus> i ran it as root
[16:29] <savvas> numus: the output of ls -l ?
[16:29] <numus> -rw-r--r-- 1 root root 28760 2008-03-12 20:26 /lib/modules/2.6.24-12-generic/kernel/drivers/bluetooth/hci_usb.ko
[16:30] <savvas> numus: sudo rm -v /lib/modules/2.6.24-12-generic/kernel/drivers/bluetooth/hci_usb.ko
[16:31] <numus> k did that
[16:31] <savvas> try the rmmod now
[16:32] <numus> nope
[16:32] <numus> operation not permitted
[16:32] <savvas> sudo rmmod -f
[16:32] <numus> i just killed bluetooth
[16:32] <numus> it is ok savvas
[16:32] <savvas> ok
[16:32] <numus> didnt realize powertop allows you to automaticly do it
[16:32] <numus> what is haldon storage?
[16:33] <savvas> numus: mind you you might have to reinstall linux modules to get your bluetooth working
[16:33] <danage> madwifi broken in current beta?
[16:33] <danage> eh, kernel -13 i mean?
[16:33] <numus> savvas i wotn be using bluetooth on ubuntu
[16:33] <wangfg-x31> why my system windows pop menu not work
[16:35] <savvas> wangfg-x31: what system window?
[16:35] <numus> still only getting 2 hours off my battery
[16:35] <numus> should be getting 4-6
[16:36] <danage> is madwifi broken in current kernel? is sound broken in current kernel?
[16:36] <numus> granted it might be because i am running on wubi
[16:37] <savvas> try the live cd :)
[16:37] <numus> savvas only problem is i cant partition this drive.. it is only 80 gig
[16:37] <savvas> numus: how come?
[16:37] <numus> savvas need winblows vista on this laptop.. cant risk removing 10-20 gigs from avalible
[16:38] <savvas> eh
[16:38] <savvas> tough luck :p you could try xp and ubuntu
[16:38] <numus> savvas need vista
[16:39] <savvas> then you probably don't need ubuntu, it has a lot of stuff included
[16:39] <numus> savvas no i dont need ubuntu.. but i want it
[16:39] <savvas> ..ahh the joys of free software ;)
[16:40] <savvas> one would be that I don't have to type a 20-30 character serial key :P
[16:41] <jasoncorvallis> hi
[16:42] <w0nder> does anyone have a tutorial for setting up VirtualBox in Hardy Heron to boot your windows XP partition using a raw data disk?
[16:43] <savvas> #vbox
[16:43] <w0nder> thx
[16:43] <numus> hmm
[16:43] <jasoncorvallis> for the past week or so, hal has been breaking my updates. here's the output message of sudo su -c 'mount /boot && apt-get update && apt-get upgrade && apt-get dist-upgrade && umount /boot': (at least the relevant part): http://pastebin.com/d1786e704
[16:43] <savvas> they probably have it in their manual w0nder, they have a lot of stuff there :)
[16:44] <wangfg-x31> savvas: just like the kde system bar, and applications menu bar, it popout only very quickly and disapreared
[16:44] <savvas> eh?
[16:45] <savvas> wangfg-x31: what? :\
[16:45] <savvas> jasoncorvallis: why do you do apt-get dist-upgrade ?
[16:47] <jasoncorvallis> savvas: habit i've had since hoary
[16:48] <savvas> jasoncorvallis: how about this one: sudo apt-get install --reinstall dbus hal
[16:48] <jasoncorvallis> savvas: wonderful! thanks
[16:48] <wangfg-x31> savvas: ok, now hardy, kde4, when i want to access system settings use the graph interface, the system bar left corner below poped out,but shows nothing and quickly disappered, and the most windows menu cannot be accessed when click them :((((
[16:49] <savvas> jasoncorvallis: just try it out first, if it works, then do: sudo apt-get -f install
[16:49] <savvas> woops
[16:50] <savvas> wangfg-x31: sorry, i don't use kde :)
[16:54] <wangfg-x31> savvas: it is also with xfce :((, it seems with the x-windows :((((
[16:54] <collusion> With an intel i855gm card in my laptop, I'm getting "AIGLX: Screen 0 is not DRI capable"; is that really likely to be true? or is there something wrong with my config?
[16:57] <savvas> collusion: google shows some netbsd info: http://mail-index.netbsd.org/pkgsrc-users/2008/03/03/msg000495.html - might be useful
[16:58] <collusion> hm. intel is crashing on my laptop (bug 188178) so I am using the i810 driver at the moment.
[16:58] <ubotu> Launchpad bug 188178 in xserver-xorg-video-intel "[Hardy] [regression] xorg with Intel driver crashes if Virtual > 2048" [High,In progress] https://launchpad.net/bugs/188178
[17:01] <collusion> Also getting a dmesg "no more MTRRs available" and "(EE) I810(0): Failed to allocate texture space." in Xorg.0.log
[17:02] <darth_mall> is there a known reason why I might not be seeing drop shadows?
[17:02] <savvas> you dropped them!
[17:02] <savvas> :)
[17:02] <darth_mall> oh dear ;)
[17:02] <darth_mall> they work when I switch to metacity as my composite manager, but in compiz they just don't show
[17:03] <darth_mall> I'm just trying to figure out if this is a bug in compiz, or if it's a mistake I've made on my system somewhere
[17:06] <w0nder> whats the package name for the kernel source?
[17:06] <w0nder> nvm
[17:07] <Danielg42> anyone try 8.04 with an ati graphics card?
[17:10] <benanzo> Anyone having trouble with screen brightness control keys not working and the LED indicator for caps/num lock to working?  Hardy latest on first gen macbook
[17:11] <DanaG> I've been having the issue where power-source changes break all ACPI hotkeys.
[17:11] <DanaG> That includes lid, brightness, sleep, and power buttons.
[17:11] <Tu13es> hm, my wifi is dead in hardy, dmesg gives this, any ideas? : http://pastebin.ca/967684
[17:11] <DanaG> If I try changing brightness under those conditions, nothing happens.... and then later, I get spammed with every keystroke I had previously pressed.
[17:11] <benanzo> Even the brightness control applet doesn't work.  With the keys the meter appears on screen but stays at zero
[17:12] <benanzo> the brightness doesn't change
[17:12] <mattl> hey, how do i install fonts thru the GUI in Hardy?
[17:12] <benanzo> I think you just drag the font file onto the GUI like themes/icons?  I might be wrong though
[17:13] <savvas> mattl: add them in: ~/.fonts/
[17:13] <savvas> mattl: then: fc-cache -f -v ~/.fonts
[17:13] <mattl> savvas: that's not really the GUI though, is it? I mean, I could sudo mv them to /usr/share/fonts - I'm trying to work out a way for someone who doesn't use the Terminal to do this.
[17:14] <savvas> mattl: they can press alt-f2 and type the command then :P
[17:14] <DanaG> gksu nautilus
[17:14] <DanaG> then browse to /usr/share/fonts
[17:14] <mattl>  /ignore savvas
[17:14] <savvas> well you're not using the terminal :)
[17:15] <savvas> but if you see a gui for fonts let me know
[17:16] <DanaG> Hmm, I must say, I prefer the previous revision of the Hardy login screen -- the new one looks washed out and "pasty-faced" (or something like that).
[17:16] <savvas> there is a way through gimp, but I'm ignored now so there's not much point in talking :)
[17:16] <bazhang> haha
[17:16]  * jussio1 hugs savvas
[17:16] <savvas> yello bazz ;)
[17:17] <bazhang> wrong guy to /ignore mattl
[17:17] <savvas> oh is it a hug day? :P
[17:17] <bazhang> always!
[17:17] <mattl> bazhang: how come?
[17:17]  * savvas returns the hug to graceful jussi01 :)
[17:17] <jussio1> :)
[17:17] <Pici> mattl: Browsing to fonts:/// should work
[17:18] <mattl> Pici: yeah, that used to work, certainly in Dapper, but no longer works either :)
[17:18] <savvas> Pici: Couldn't display "fonts:///".
[17:18] <Pici> hm
[17:18] <DanaG> gksu nautilus /usr/share/fonts
[17:18] <Pici> I think I remember seeing a bug report about that
[17:18] <savvas> can't handle fonts: location
[17:19]  * savvas looks
[17:19] <DanaG> I like the Heron, though.
[17:19] <JohnPhys> Pici, savvas:  The new gvfs used in Gnome 2.22 breaks things like fonts:/// and network:///
[17:19] <DanaG> Oh, and the Wiki doesn't have the recolored latest Heron wallpaper!
[17:19] <mooboo1> put firefox3 beta5 in repo
[17:19] <savvas> JohnPhys: it breaks a lot of other stuff too, ftp sftp smb.. :P
[17:20] <JohnPhys> savaas:  that's why I said "breaks things like" :P
[17:20] <savvas> mooboo1: I believe you forgot your shotgun :p
[17:20] <mooboo1> :D
[17:20] <savvas> ah ok :)
[17:21] <bazhang> tomoyuki28jp: http://www.ubuntu.com/testing/hardy/beta
[17:21] <savvas> https://bugs.launchpad.net/bug/193897
[17:21] <savvas> bug 193897
[17:21] <ubotu> Launchpad bug 193897 in nautilus ""Go to Fonts Folder" button and fonts:/// URL scheme broken in Hardy" [Wishlist,Invalid] https://launchpad.net/bugs/193897
[17:22] <JohnPhys> savvas:  You can look around the gnome website, I think they might be planning to fix that up by Gnome 2.24
[17:24] <savvas> 2.24?!
[17:24] <savvas> seems like there is a patch already: http://bugzilla.gnome.org/show_bug.cgi?id=517632
[17:24] <ubotu> Gnome bug 517632 in general "Need fonts: and themes: backend implementation" [Normal,Unconfirmed]
[17:27] <JohnPhys> well maybe we'll get lucky and it will show up soon :)  I know my fav. thing about gnome 2.24 will be nautilus *finally* getting a column view
[17:28] <DanaG> Column view?  What's that?
[17:28] <mooboo1> i wonder too
[17:28] <danage> norton commander style?
[17:28] <bazhang> dolphin style ;]
[17:28] <DanaG> Still don't know it.
[17:29] <mooboo1> split view? oh that sucks
[17:29] <Danielg42> here goes! got the .iso downloaded :D
[17:29] <mooboo1> two panes
[17:29] <DanaG> Is it like Finder's view with different levels left-to-right?
[17:30] <mooboo1> that suck
[17:30] <danage> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Norton_Commander
[17:30] <xNULL> hello there has anyone had any video issues when updating from gutsy to hardy?
[17:31] <savvas> hmmm
[17:31] <mooboo1> danage, there is Midnight Commander for Linux, its a Norton Commander clone
[17:31] <xNULL> it seemed to have messed up something for me and I get an error saying GNOME desktop can't be started
[17:31] <savvas> I finally found out how to disable rhythmbox from popping up when i connect my mp3 player
[17:31] <mooboo1> URL dont work in xchat for me, anyone else?
[17:31] <danage> cool
[17:31] <savvas> system > preferences > file management > media ;)
[17:32] <Danielg42> mooboo1: right click the link and see if you can "open in browser"
[17:32] <xNULL> ?
[17:32] <mooboo1> Danielg42, does not work
[17:33] <xNULL> any help here with the GNOME desktop manager please?
[17:34] <savvas> mooboo1: irc:// protocol can't open xchat or?
[17:34] <feld> anyone here having issues with their dvdrom or cdrom?
[17:34] <xNULL> no
[17:35] <feld> mine is screwed up in Hardy. It is using /dev/sr0 instead of /dev/hda like it should (and every other distro I've run). /dev/dvd, /dev/dvdrom, /dev/dvdrw don't exist. they're /dev/dvd1, etc. and no program can read/write to the dvd player. Yes, I've checked permissions on the block devices.
[17:35] <DanaG> Still don't know what Column View is.
[17:36] <DanaG> Is it just "Details" view?
[17:36] <feld> [16126.656010] end_request: I/O error, dev sr0, sector 1250256
[17:36] <feld> like seriously what is going on here? =/
[17:36] <DanaG> feld: try removing /etc/udev/rules.d/70-persistent-cd.rules
[17:36] <DanaG> and then /etc/init.d/udev force-reload
[17:36] <savvas> mooboo1: if you mean you can't open url links from xchat, change your default browser in system > preferences > preferred applications
[17:39] <feld> DanaG: no luck
[17:40] <darthanubis> trash icon will not appear on the gnome panel as of yesterday
[17:41] <darthanubis> and no, restarting/rebooting is not the answer that was cavalierly retorted last night.
[17:41] <JohnPhys> DanaG:  Column-view, as in having multiple columns of the icons there, that scroll left/right as you go through them, I believe it's "list" view in WinXP
[17:41] <xNULL> is there any way to manually load gnome?
[17:41] <h3sp4wn> darthanubis: right click -> add to panel
[17:41] <DanaG> I hate that list view.  No wonder I didn't know what you meant.
[17:41] <darthanubis> thats not the fix
[17:41] <DanaG> I always use Details view.
[17:41] <darthanubis> it adds, but does not show the icon
[17:42] <darthanubis> why would anyone assume that was not tried?
[17:42] <h3sp4wn> why would anyone care ?
[17:43] <h3sp4wn> nevermind
[17:43] <darthanubis> well why would that nonthinker attempt to help?
[17:43] <darthanubis> please nevermind, I'd appreciate it
[17:43] <h3sp4wn> np
[17:43] <danage> is madwifi broken in current updates? and sound?
[17:44] <h3sp4wn> danage: The madwifi is really old I seriously hope its updated before release
[17:44] <danage> mine worked yesterday, then i did -13 kernel update and BOOM
[17:44] <danage> it's gone
[17:44] <danage> no wifi0, no ath0
[17:44] <h3sp4wn> Its in linux-restricted-modules
[17:44] <h3sp4wn> unless they switched to ath5k
[17:45] <danage> it'll fix, it'll fix... :)
[17:45] <JohnPhys> darthanubis:  logging out and logging in can sometimes cause the trashes (and all the added ones) to become visible.  It sounds like you are describing Bug #207761 .  Perhaps you should subscribe to it.
[17:45] <ubotu> Launchpad bug 207761 in gnome-applets "Trash applet is invisible" [Undecided,Incomplete] https://launchpad.net/bugs/207761
[17:46] <h3sp4wn> danage: There is no matching restricted-modules on my mirror for that kernel
[17:46] <darthanubis> JohnPhys, I was in the process, but I see gnome-panel updates coming in now. Hopefully the fix is in the mix?
[17:47] <JohnPhys> darthanubis: indeed, hopefully.  But the "changes" hadn't been uploaded yet, so I don't know.  I know mine hasn't disappeared in a day or so.
[17:47] <h3sp4wn> danage: I would just boot -12 for a bit and then wait for the lrm to hit the mirrors
[17:47] <darthanubis> JohnPhys, thx for the info
[17:47] <h3sp4wn> danage: I really hope it contains madwifi 0.9.4
[17:47] <JohnPhys> darthanubis: I should be more clear, by "changes" I meant the list of changes.
[17:52] <danage> h3sp4wn: thanks
[17:54] <h3sp4wn> danage: You could build the modules yourself but its not worth it as there is the whole of vmware-server stuck in with this stuff (150MB download :/)
[17:56] <Q-FUNK> howdy! am I the only one for whom the human theme suddenly stopped working after today's updates?
[17:57] <Q-FUNK> probavbly after something removed the muraine theme
[17:57] <JohnPhys> Q-FUNK:  No, and it's the "controls" human-murrine theme that seems to have either been removed or made unavailable.  Selecting "human" in the theme app will get you a gutsy-looking desktop
[18:00] <Q-FUNK> JohnPhys: if you mean in the Looks capplet, nope.  deselcting it and re-selecting it doesn't return the theme
[18:01] <savvas> mm banana split
[18:03] <Q-FUNK> the gtk compoent of the theme seems to be gone.  there's no human brown in the metacity mover widget, anymore
[18:03] <Q-FUNK> it's in default blue
[18:08] <pen> hi
[18:08] <w0nder> what source do i need enabled in apt to get kernel headers?
[18:09] <h3sp4wn> main
[18:09] <pen> I have a problem with Amarok and pulseaudio. My audio is working but amarok will get a warning about xine can't get audio device once in a while while my other GTK music player like Rhythmbox working like a charm
[18:09] <pen> why?
[18:10] <macogw> anyone else's gdm broken after today's updates?
[18:12] <Pici> macogw: I rebooted earlier today and had no problems.
[18:13] <macogw> gdmgreeter was eating 104% of cpu according to top
[18:13] <macogw> i killed it and switched to screen
[18:13] <macogw> by killed, i mean i stopped gdm
[18:15] <jbroome> Don't remember an audacious update coming in, but it's playing my streamed music w/o crashing after 4 secs.  yay!
[18:18] <tigerstein> I have upgraded to hardy last week without a problem, but today when i wanted to start openoffice it doesn't started, when i start it from console, it exits right after, without an error
[18:20] <jester7> i have all the latest updates and openoffice works for me
[18:20] <jester7> just fyi
[18:21] <edgecase> pen, i think you need to tell your apps to use pulseaudio for output.  it sounds like it's trying to use alsa device directly, which is in use by pulseaudio daemon
[18:21] <pen> edgecase: but in case of amarok, how do I set it to use pulseaudio?
[18:21] <pagan0ne> hey, how do i make grub look in / instead of /boot for the images?
[18:22] <edgecase> pen, i've never used it, but look at http://pulseaudio.org/wiki/PerfectSetup#Amarok
[18:23] <edgecase> paganOne, edit menu.lst?
[18:23] <daekdroom> tigerstein: It's a beta version, what do you expect?
[18:23] <tigerstein> daekdroom: I know, just asked
[18:24] <daekdroom> OO doesn't run here as well. It says it doesn't have the rights to edit the ~/.openoffice.org2
[18:24] <pen> edgecase: but there is only one engine avilable in amarok
[18:24] <pen> which is xine
[18:24] <jbroome> the check the perms on ~/openoffice.org2
[18:24] <daekdroom> I did.
[18:24] <daekdroom> I setted it to 777 as well. and It still didn't work
[18:24] <macogw> no idea if OOo runs here.  gdm doesn't get to the login screen. it goes all spinning-beach-ball-of-death instead
[18:25] <pen> And xine can't initialize audio device
[18:25] <Pedantic-Steve> OOo works for me and I jsut updated this morning.
[18:25] <daekdroom> That and the poorly made xorg.conf are the only problems that hardy have here
[18:25] <macogw> and if i recall correctly, you cant submit a bug on launchpad from lynx
[18:25] <macogw> daekdroom: huh? its really bare, but it *works*
[18:26] <tigerstein> I deleted ~/openoffice.org2, and he recreated it, but thats all :/
[18:26] <edgecase> pen, try http://pulseaudio.org/wiki/PerfectSetup#Xine
[18:26] <daekdroom> Humf. I blame all those graphical stuff to configure Xorg. Now Xorg.conf doesn't have any info about the devices names and now I can't use Hardware util to install fglrx.
[18:27] <Typhox> fuck
[18:27] <macogw> any idea how to debug gdmgreeter being a cpu hog?
[18:27] <macogw> and not finishing loading to get to the actual login screen?
[18:27] <Pici> !language | Typhox
[18:27] <ubotu> Typhox: Please watch your language and topic to help keep this channel family friendly.
[18:28] <pen> edgecase: well, my version doesn't apply to the problem since i have version 2 not 1.0-1.1.2
[18:28] <pen> edgecase: it is using pulseaudio already, I think the problem is amarok itself but I have no idea where to start
[18:30] <Typhox> Because of my even not correct working sd-cardreader i made a udev rule, but the mounted sd-card can just be accessed as root. I just got the /dev/mmcblk0p1 to be owned my normal users but NOT the mounted folder.
[18:30] <macogw> just chown the mountpoint to yourself
[18:30] <macogw> or make its group be "users" and add yourself and the other normal users to it
[18:31] <Typhox> i did that already
[18:31] <Typhox> but it doesn't work with fat16 i think
[18:31] <Typhox> chown
[18:31] <macogw> you have to do it before you mount the drive
[18:31] <Typhox> i now
[18:32] <Typhox> but it doesn't change the situation
[18:32] <macogw> make the mount point owned and 7'accessibility and then mount it with yourself as owner and it should work...
[18:41] <Finnish> I have a problem with Hardys SSH
[18:41] <Finnish> Can't display location "sftp://muntunnus@koulunkone" Timed out when logging in
[18:41] <Finnish> I could connect my remote folder with Gutsy, but not with Hardy
[18:42] <xNULL> How do you force restart through terminal?
[18:43] <Finnish> I could connect it with terminal, but not with graphical SSH
[18:43] <Finnish> Places->Connect to server
[18:44] <macogw> xNULL: sudo reboot
[18:51] <woodwizzle_> Is firefox going to keep getting constantly updated in hardy until it reaches 3.0?
[18:51] <macogw> i think so
[18:51] <woodwizzle_> Or will we be stuck with beta 4 after 3.0 stable comes out
[18:51] <jbroome> if not in hardy specifically FF will update itself when a new version comes out
[18:51] <macogw> there's going to be a point release in junish
[18:52] <woodwizzle_> jbroome: Will that not screw with Apt?
[18:53] <macogw> pretty sure ubuntu disables ff's builtin updater
[18:53] <jbroome> i don't think so.  They'll probably push a new .deb out through apt also
[18:53] <macogw> there should be a new deb when 8.04.1 comes out
[18:53] <woodwizzle_> and I have alpha 8 on gutsy. It doesn't update itself
[18:53] <frank_> woodwizzle_: FF gets updated (minor version) troughout a release. They gave on only backporting the security fixes a long time ago (well maybe 2 years)
[18:53] <frank_> gave up*
[18:53] <woodwizzle_> ok good =) That makes me happy.
[18:53] <macogw> frank_: theres a difference
[18:54] <bobbo85> I love hardy so far, my only problem right now is that no flash videos work in firefox 3 (youtube for example).  What happens is they load up, play with no sound for 2 seconds, then "pause" there
[18:54] <macogw> there's an "updates" repo for bugfixes
[18:54] <macogw> bobbo85: libflashsupport installed?
[18:54] <bobbo85> macogw, hold on i'll check
[18:55] <bobbo85> btw macogw, what is the command to check for installed applications?  I use synaptic usually because I'm not too familiar with the CLI stuff for apt
[18:55] <DanaG> Here's part of how fix SD card mounting: format fat32, not fat16.
[18:55] <macogw> bobbo85: dpkg -l libflashsupport
[18:55] <bobbo85> ok i had it, but i'm reinstalling it just incase
[18:56] <bobbo85> I also reinstalled gnash, and the nonfree adobe player, tried enabling them one at a time in firefox - the adobe nonfree one shows the video for 2 seconds as I said, the gnash one does not load the video at all.
[18:57] <macogw> gnash is crap
[18:57] <prometheus> it was when I used it a year ago don't know about now though
[18:57] <macogw> it was definitely crap then
[18:57] <macogw> now it supposedly semi-sorta-kinda-works
[18:58] <prometheus> ya, that is what I hear
[18:58] <macogw> that's one area where i dont bother with finding the FOSS one
[18:58] <macogw> it just doesnt compare to adobe's
[18:58] <bobbo85> hah yup macogw i'm with you on that.  so after reinstalling libflashsupport and nonfree flash adobe I still get the same issue, any ideas?
[19:01] <macogw> nope
[19:04] <prometheus> reinstall firefox?
[19:06] <Typhox> How do I get permissions to use a fat16 sdcard as non-root? Is there something that I can change?
[19:07] <jk_> how do i resize icons, image preview without doing it invidually
[19:08] <bobbo85> prometheus, I am now uninstalling firefox 2.0 (which also uninstalls ubuntu themes i guess), and reinstalling all of the firefox 3 packages, wish me luc
[19:10] <prometheus> the luck has been wished
[19:10] <edgecase> pen, try and find out what output module it's using
[19:10] <pen> edgecase: how?
[19:11] <edgecase> i don't know, i don't use amarok, but does it have some preferences?
[19:11] <jk_> how do i resize icons, image preview without doing it invidually
[19:13] <uchimata> hi, i run thunderbird + enigmail and my passphrase is not cached, and i have to type it two times every time i want to send a mail
[19:13] <uchimata> any ideas how to solve this? ;)
[19:14] <tgelter> uchimata: I have that same setup and don't experience that problem. care to compare settings?
[19:16] <uchimata> no problem... i read something about checking/unchecking "use gpg cli agent"
[19:17] <DanaG> Hmm, my themes thingy shows no previews; how do I fix that?
[19:17] <Max_Dettweiler> Hi, I've noticed that in Ubuntu 8.04 beta, CPU-intensive apps run at about half their normal speed.
[19:17] <Max_Dettweiler> I was wondering if it has anything to do with the new scheduler improvements in the latest kernel, but the problem persists when I select the older kernel in the GRUB menu.
[19:18] <Max_Dettweiler> At first I thought it might be dust in the CPU fan, but the problem showed up exactly when I upgraded from 7.10 to 8.04 beta.
[19:19] <Lynoure> Uh, something bad has happened, I thought I got the konsole problem fixed, but no :(
[19:19] <Max_Dettweiler> hello? anybody there?
[19:19] <uchimata> tgelter: do you see any special options which could cause my problems?
[19:19] <joebob777as7> Max_Dettweiler yes there are ppl here.
[19:20] <Max_Dettweiler> okay
[19:20] <joebob777as7> Max_Dettweiler did you search in the ubuntu bugs?
[19:21] <bobbo85> awww no luck prometheus thanks for the luck though
[19:22] <bobbo85> it seems that if i try to play the video on youtube enough, firefox will force close itself
[19:22] <joebob777as7> Max_Dettweiler if you find it in there subscribe if not then post one.
[19:22] <Max_Dettweiler> yes I searched there.
[19:22] <DanaG> My impression of Flash:
[19:22] <bobbo85> i can play about 1 second of video without sound, and i can click anywhere on the seek bar, like try starting the video from the middle instead of the beginning, but it just does the same one second of video and then "pauses"
[19:22] <DanaG> *segfault*
[19:23] <Lynoure> Is kde 3.5.9 currently fine for all of you who use it? I'm having trouble with everything
[19:23] <DanaG> If you try browsing YouTube, it crashes approximately every two or three pages.
[19:23] <Max_Dettweiler> I tried rebooting a gazillion times, and even rebooting with the older kernel (which shouldn't have the new scheduler modifications), and none of that fixed it.
[19:23] <bobesponja> Lynoure: fine here
[19:23] <Lynoure> things crash, anything involving text input hardly starts at all :/
[19:23] <bobesponja> Lynoure: when was your last update?
[19:23] <tgelter> uchimata: now that I look at it, I don't actually have any of the settings modified from the default install...
[19:23] <Lynoure> bobesponja: earlier today
[19:24] <tgelter> uchimata: if you click "Never ask for a passphrase", does it still ask for a passphrase?
[19:24] <Lynoure> bobesponja: looked to be mostly kde4 stuff... had some of these symptoms since the upgrade yesterday, seemed to be caused by scim-bridge, but now similar symptoms without it
[19:24] <joebob777as7> Max_Dettweiler my guess is that it is not related to the scheduler
[19:24] <bobesponja> Lynoure: I'm updating now, I might stop then :)
[19:24] <Max_Dettweiler> oh, okay.
[19:25] <Max_Dettweiler> what might be causing it then?
[19:25] <uchimata> hehe, same thing here ;-)
[19:25] <Lynoure> bobesponja: I could be just unlucky, not sure. Out of curiousity, do you have scim-brigde-agent installed?
[19:25] <Max_Dettweiler> and what might I do to at least work around it in the meantime?
[19:25] <bobesponja> Lynoure: I don't have KDE4 installed cause it messed up with my kde3 so I removed it long ago
[19:25] <uchimata> ok, solved the problem: https://lists.ubuntu.com/archives/ubuntu-mozillateam-bugs/2008-March/030966.html
[19:25] <joebob777as7> Max_Dettweiler well if you try the old kernel and it still does the same thing then i'm pretty sure we can rule out sheduler changes. I would post a bug.
[19:25] <Lynoure> bobesponja: earlier I had no problem with them co-existing...
[19:26] <Max_Dettweiler> okay, I'll do that then. :-)
[19:26] <bobesponja> Lynoure: no I don't have scim-brigde-agent installed
[19:26] <Lynoure> bobesponja: ok, then it's removal is not the cause...
[19:28] <mintsoup> Hey everyone, I installed the ndiswrapper package through synaptic, but after i set it up and try to run 'sudo modprobe ndiswrapper' it throws the error that ndiswrapper.ko could not be found.  Should this have been setup by the package manager or do i need to do something else to get it?
[19:28] <Infecto> what can be problem
[19:28] <Infecto> k3b burns audio but my cd reader in car cant read this? any idea?
[19:29] <joebob777as7> Infecto if you are sure that you didn't just burn mp3's to a cd try different media or get a different cd reader
[19:29] <Infecto> joebob777as7: yes i`m suere 7 tracks onw all cd
[19:29] <ichat> good day all -
[19:30] <Infecto> joebob777as7: its bmw build cd reader with navi :) that can be problem
[19:30] <ichat> question :  epyfany  - will support  Webkit only now right,  - what wil happen to  ubuntu -
[19:31] <Lynoure> bobesponja: You'll probably be save if you haven't had scim stuff, seems it's the cause still :/
[19:31] <ichat> regarding to that browser?
[19:31] <Lynoure> s/save/safe/
[19:32] <DrHala1> hey guys
[19:32] <DrHala1> suddenly gdm needs really long to startup and some of my skinning is missing in gtk
[19:33] <joebob777as7> Infecto try different media
[19:33] <joebob777as7> how old is the bmw?
[19:36] <Infecto> 3 years
[19:37] <joebob777as7> Infecto well my xbox isn't too old and will only handle cd-rw ;)
[19:37] <pani1> greetings, my dear open sorcerers
[19:38] <DrHala1> also i cant detect any usb mass storage
[19:38] <pani1> unfortunately, my wumps-or-whatever installation of todays ubuntu 8.04 image on a local windows xp ntfs drive did not survive the first system update.
[19:39] <pani1> it boots up into busybox, stays there and looks at me stupidly.
[19:39] <pani1> note its not installed on its own partition, its done through the windows installer
[19:40] <pani1> anyone got a clue what might be the fauxpas here?
[19:44] <len>  I'm getting this when trying to run adept: The APT Database could not be opened! This may be caused by incorrect APT configuration or some similar problem. Try running apt-setup and apt-get update in terminal and see if it helps to resolve the problem.
[19:45] <DragonLarma> hello everybody
[19:45] <len> I can't run apt-setup because it is not installed by default.
[19:45] <len> and I can't get it because apt can't open the status file.
[19:45] <pani1> len, apt-get install apt-setup ?
[19:46] <len> How do I fix this?
[19:46] <pani1> i have no idea... is your apt configuration ok?
[19:46] <pani1> wish i could help you more right now, but i've been kicked from my os :>
[19:47] <len> I have been up to this point, but it  looks like something got corrupted in the status file.
[19:47] <len> Does apt-setup repair/regenerate/reconstruct the status file?
[19:48] <len> Funny it wouldn't be  included in a default install  if you need it when things get messed up and will be  unable to get it via apt if it is.
[19:49] <manchicken> Is it just me, or is the desktop wall plugin for compiz kinda... not good...
[19:49] <JohnPhys> manchicken:  you're going to have to be more specific
[19:50] <len> I have a status.old file.  I  wonder if that is a backup file  to prev version when chages are make.
[19:50] <len> Wonder if I could "cp status.old status" to get it working.
[19:52] <JohnPhys> len:  not sure, maybe try it?  I'd recommend backing up status first though :)
[19:53] <len> I'm guessing that the updates I made yeasterday wouldn't be reflected if I did that though.
[19:54] <manchicken> JohnPhys: I get a lot of freezing if I have a 2x2 desktop pane, and I hit Ctrl+Alt and any left/right/up/down combination.  It's usually more troublesome in diagaonals.
[19:54] <manchicken> It wasn't on Gutsy.
[19:54] <len> What are you supposed to do if you have a problem with the dpkg status file?
[19:54] <h3sp4wn> len: Use a backup
[19:54] <JohnPhys> manchicken:  ah, no idea.  I only have a 1r x 2c pane
[19:54] <h3sp4wn> len: remember what you added since then
[19:55] <len> I didn't add anything, I just accepted updates, so  it would be hard to remember since they weren't anything I specifically requested.
[19:55] <h3sp4wn> len: /var/lib/dpkg/status-old - copy that to /var/lib/dpkg/status - if thats also broken then look in /var/backups/
[19:56] <len> That's what I was thinking of trying.  What  would be the repercussions of doing that, as far to some things not being in sync?
[19:57] <h3sp4wn> len: List of installed packages
[19:57] <h3sp4wn> len: Do you use aptitude ?
[19:58] <h3sp4wn> len: have you actually had a look at the corrupted file ?
[19:58] <len> So, if they were just updates, it would be ok, just version would be wrong so it would want to reinstalled again  'cause it wouldn't see them as upgraded yet?
[19:58] <len> Yeah, but it's looks like a binary file, not straight text?
[19:59] <h3sp4wn> /var/lib/dpkg/status is text here
[19:59] <h3sp4wn> have a look further down
[19:59] <h3sp4wn> If you get rid of all the binary stuff at the top and upto the next complete package you might be ok (take a backup)
[20:00] <len> I usually use apt-get from the command line, but use apept for routine update that it alerts me on kicker.
[20:00] <h3sp4wn> Can you upload the messed up file somewhere ?
[20:01] <len> What is the limit for the pastebin?
[20:01] <h3sp4wn> I want the untouched file
[20:01] <_KAMI_> len: I think you cannot copy a DVD there
[20:01] <h3sp4wn> Can you try to dcc it to me ? (dunno whether it will work)
[20:02] <len> dcc?
[20:03] <h3sp4wn> dunno what irc client you use
[20:03] <len> konversation
[20:04] <h3sp4wn> len: just try to send a file to me
[20:06] <b4l74z4r> where can i find the numerical values for mouse sensitivity and acceleration, so that i can get back the default settings after having played around with them?
[20:08] <h3sp4wn> b4l74z4r: gconf-editor
[20:08] <b4l74z4r> h3sp4wn, how do i fire that up?
[20:09] <h3sp4wn> b4l74z4r: Run it at a terminal
[20:09] <h3sp4wn> then search around - like the windows registry
[20:09] <b4l74z4r> i just type "gconf-editor" in the terminal?
[20:10] <h3sp4wn> yep
[20:10] <b4l74z4r> ok, thanks
[20:10] <b4l74z4r> do i need to type sudo first?
[20:10] <h3sp4wn> No
[20:10] <b4l74z4r> ok
[20:10] <h3sp4wn> you don't want to run that as root - risks messing up settings for everybody
[20:11] <Luckrider> was there a net split just a second ago?
[20:12] <tanner> seems so
[20:12] <Luckrider> yeah
[20:12] <Jaymac> Luckrider: looks like it
[20:12] <b4l74z4r> h3sp4wn, if i adjust the mouse settings in gconf editor, will the sliders in the mouse menu get adjusted accordingly?
[20:13] <Jaymac> one of the freenode servers imploded
[20:13] <h3sp4wn> b4l74z4r: Almost everything in gnome is in gconf
[20:13] <Luckrider> can anyone help me connect a wiimote to Hardy, every time I do #hcitool scan
[20:13] <Luckrider> it just goes to the next line
[20:13] <h3sp4wn> b4l74z4r: All the gui does is change stuff in there
[20:14] <Luckrider> user@Corbett-Laptop:~$ #hcitool scan
[20:14] <Luckrider> user@Corbett-Laptop:~$
[20:14] <Luckrider> that is what I get
[20:14] <Luckrider> another one
[20:14] <Luckrider> what is going on here?
[20:14] <tanner> Luckrider: because the tool reports no findings. your wiimote isnt looking to pair up
[20:15] <Luckrider> I am pushing the buttoms
[20:15] <Luckrider> *buttons
[20:17] <Luckrider> tanner, I push the reset button on the back, or I puh the 1 and 2 button, and it doesn't do anything
[20:17] <darkphader> yikes! latest update/upgrade wants to remove kubuntu-desktop
[20:17] <Luckrider> I have connected it to windows bfore
[20:20] <Lunar_Lamp> FF3b5 has been released now - is hardy planning to upgrade to this, or will that wait until after hardy is released?
[20:20] <JohnPhys> is there going to be a nice gui frontend for ufw?
[20:20] <daekdroom> Lunar_Lamp: we'll have it soon.
[20:21] <Luckrider> I think it may upgrade possibly tomorrow with the daily updates
[20:21] <Lunar_Lamp> daekdroom, ah ok :-)
[20:21] <Lunar_Lamp> That sounds good to me :-)
[20:22] <b4l74z4r> the default motion acceleration and treshold is both set at -1 in the gconf-editor, does that sound right?
[20:22] <jbroome> Luckrider: why are you including the "#" in your hcitool command?
[20:22] <Luckrider> because when I don't I get
[20:22] <Luckrider> hold on
[20:22] <Luckrider> um...
[20:23] <Luckrider> user@Corbett-Laptop:~$ hcitool scan
[20:23] <Luckrider> Device is not available: No such device
[20:23] <Luckrider> that is what I get
[20:23] <jbroome> are you running it as root?
[20:23] <Luckrider> do you have any suggestions jbroome?
[20:23] <Luckrider> um
[20:23] <Luckrider> no
[20:23] <Luckrider> let me try that
[20:24] <collusion> why might fonts in X look fuzzy when using the xorg-i810 server but okay with the intel server?
[20:24] <Luckrider> nope jbroome
[20:24] <Luckrider> I still get  no such device
[20:25] <eddieftw> hey all, im in hardy and my sound isn't working (video, or mp3)
[20:25] <Luckrider> um
[20:25] <jbroome> Luckrider: i ran it as a regular user and it found my phone over BT.
[20:25] <Luckrider> have you tried a different file format?>
[20:25] <Luckrider> jbroome
[20:25] <Luckrider> hmmm
[20:25] <eddieftw> i wonder why, i had to do a reinstall but i was using hardy before and it all worked perfectly
[20:25] <Luckrider> what was the specific command?
[20:26] <sourcemaker> !java
[20:26] <ubotu> To install a Java runtime/interpreter on Ubuntu, look at https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Java - For the Sun Java runtime install sun-java6-jre from the !Multiverse repository (in !Backports for !Edgy)
[20:27] <Luckrider> jbroome, what was the specific command that you used?
[20:27] <jbroome> hold on, damn
[20:27] <jbroome> http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/61952/
[20:27] <Luckrider> k
[20:28] <Luckrider> thanks
[20:29] <Luckrider> yeah, I just keep getting the stupid
[20:29] <Luckrider> user@Corbett-Laptop:~$ hcitool scan
[20:29] <Luckrider> Device is not available: No such device
[20:29] <Luckrider> user@Corbett-Laptop:~$
[20:29] <Luckrider> that is what it spits out
[20:32]  * tanner feels like merde
[20:35] <JohnPhys> there are some updates available now that don't seem to want to come through, update manager is asking to run a partial upgrade, but then it doesn't complete that
[20:36] <jbroome> Luckrider: i have no further suggestions
[20:37] <Luckrider> ok, thanks for the heklp
[20:38] <eddieftw> anyone? im trying to get my sound working
[20:39] <KalEl> either there has been no updates for last two days, or my automatic updates has stopped working
[20:39] <KalEl> having experienced the stability of ubuntu, i'd guess the former :)
[20:40] <tanner> anyone know how to take a screen cap in mplayer?
[20:41] <nemo> tanner: why not just alter the -vo ?
[20:41] <nemo> or use mencoder ?
[20:41] <nemo> tanner: oh. waitasec
[20:41] <nemo> you just want a screenshot
[20:41] <nemo> tanner: s and S  (see man page)
[20:45] <Ayabara> I run Hardy on a Dell laptop, and sometimes leave it on over night. It seems to me that even though I have set the display to power down after 40 minutes of inactivity, that never happens. Known issue?
[20:48] <bjwebb> gdm won't start :S
[20:48] <bjwebb> its stuck on brown screen + waiting icon
[20:49] <bjwebb> ive tried ctrl + alt  + delete and restart, but it gets stuck at this screen
[20:49] <bjwebb> how can i find out why it is doing this?
[20:50] <bjwebb> :S
[20:57] <savvas> bjwebb: i think it's a bug, it's going to be fixed today probably
[20:57] <ethana2> hey savvas
[20:57] <ethana2> oh!
[20:58] <ethana2> are you identified right now, savvas?
[20:58] <savvas> hello :)
[20:58] <marsje> any chance I can make the Remote Desktop Viewer listen to connections?
[20:59] <marsje> I'm used to have other people make connections to me since that is easier to setup firewall/NAT-wise
[21:01] <num> does the vlc plugin for firefox work also with firefox 3 beta 4
[21:01] <nibblesmx> Hi! The ability to share folders seems to be lost in hardy. Can someone tell me how to enable it?
[21:02] <ethana2> nibblesmx: I assumed I brought that problem on myself because of my dual seat
[21:02] <ethana2> permissions and jazz
[21:03] <nibblesmx> ethana2: I had the share folder option in hardy on day 1. Then I updated the packages and it seems to be lost
[21:03] <ethana2> hmm
[21:03] <nibblesmx> not even "Shared Folders" under administrations shows up
[21:04] <Iowahc> hy there, when I first installed hardy, my laptop made a sound when i closed the screen, but now it is gone
[21:04] <Iowahc> where do i config it?
[21:05] <bjwebb> savvas: okay, thanks
[21:06] <bjwebb> its times like this when im glad i have a separate stable partition ;)
[21:08] <Iowahc> hy there, when I first installed hardy, my laptop made a sound when i closed the screen, but now it is gone. where to config?
[21:10] <tonyyarusso> Iowahc: let me know if you find it - noticed the same thing
[21:15] <Blakesmith> anyone having trouble logging out?
[21:16] <Blakesmith> my panel monitors still run but it seems everything else stops, and i lose mouse control
[21:16] <Blakesmith> ctrl+alt+backspace still works at this point, though
[21:18] <Iowahc> tonyyarusso: ok
[21:21] <Iowahc> tonyyarusso: http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?p=4429691
[21:21] <Iowahc> ok, seems, its not a feature planned ^^
[21:22] <Blakesmith> anyone having trouble logging out of Gnome?
[21:22] <kane77> is this known bug? amarok gives me: xine was unable to initialize any audio drivers.
[21:22] <Iowahc> tonyyarusso: http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=563687
[21:22] <Iowahc> thats it ^^
[21:23] <orvokki> Hmm. I think I'm starting to realize my problem.
[21:24] <orvokki> I seem to have two nvidia kernel modules somewhere on my system and for some reason Hardy is loading the wrong one. Any tips on locating and distinguishing them?
[21:25] <orvokki> The other one is for nvidia-glx-legacy and the other for nvidia-glx-new. So I get a version mismatch on every boot...
[21:25] <orvokki> bicyclis3: Hey, again. ^^
[21:26] <orvokki> This was a stupid mistake on my part though, I should have noticed it earlier.
[21:27] <orvokki> Solving it is another issue.
[21:29] <osteenbergen> question: My hardy just updated and now the Human theme is blue.. someone knows the fix?
[21:29] <osteenbergen> well blue and grey
[21:29] <solarion> umm, so what is in charge of drawing the close buttons and things on the various windows?
[21:30] <osteenbergen> dont know
[21:30] <solarion> 'cause whatever it is ain't doing its job.  :)
[21:31] <osteenbergen> yeah i thought about that but i can change the theme to anything but Human ;)
[21:31] <DarphBobo> ff3-b5 will be available in hardy repos anytime soon?
[21:31] <osteenbergen> Mist theme works great
[21:32] <osteenbergen> only Human not
[21:32] <solarion> osteenbergen: horked here
[21:32] <solarion> yeah, is what I thought
[21:33] <solarion> broken bzr stuff kept the install from completing
[21:33] <osteenbergen> should a reinstall of the thme fix it?
[21:34] <solarion> maybe
[21:34] <solarion> no idea what's broken
[21:34] <solarion> it can't hurt anyhow
[21:36] <osteenbergen> nope did a clean of the archives and a reinstall but no fix
[21:37] <plurt> hi folks
[21:37] <osteenbergen> hi
[21:38] <plurt> I'm having trouble upgrading because update-manager hangs
[21:38] <osteenbergen> try updating via console
[21:38] <osteenbergen> aka sudo apt-get update && sudo apt-get upgrade
[21:38] <plurt> I'll try, thx
[21:39] <kane77> where can I find what were the packages updated today/yesterday?
[21:39] <osteenbergen> maybe in synaptic
[21:40] <osteenbergen> synaptic file>hisotry
[21:40] <osteenbergen> history*
[21:40] <Lamego> or check /var/log/dpkg.log
[21:46] <osteenbergen> Human theme is completely missing after update :O
[21:46] <kane77> hmm my pulse audio seems to be gone under amarok...
[21:47] <bigjoey> will abiword 2.6 be in hardy?
[21:47] <jacob> i know this was probably asked many times before, but what happened to human-murrine?
[21:47] <osteenbergen> jacob i miss it too.. no clue why
[21:48] <osteenbergen> Sort of late april fool thing :O
[21:48] <jacob> i'm thinking a packaging error, because it disappeared completely instead of just not being the default, but i don't know why for sure
[21:48] <jacob> yeah heh
[21:49] <osteenbergen> package is still there only after install nothing is there.. will check the package now
[21:50] <Spion_> I know its a stupid question but, when will 8.04 (non-beta) be released? :P
[21:51] <orvokki> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/HardyReleaseSchedule
[21:51] <Spion_> thank you
[21:51] <Lamego> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/HardyReleaseSchedule
[21:53] <osteenbergen> think it a package problem.. files are in the package only not extracted
[21:54] <ChrisAshton84> Hi, anyone here have problems with thunderbird after upgrading?  It won't start for me - unfortunately with the script I'm having trouble finding the exact problem, but I do get some locale errors printing out
[21:55] <kane77> why exactly does the upgrades want to remove openoffice?
[21:55] <osteenbergen> got the human theme back
[21:59] <bigjoey> will abiword be updated in hardy?
[22:04] <pwuertz> hmm... gutsy does not use the murrina theme anymore?
[22:05] <jaffarkelshac> does anyone use seahorse for encryption
[22:06] <tgelter> jaffarkelshac: I use seahorse
[22:06] <tgelter> what's the question?
[22:07] <jaffarkelshac> i want to back up my private keys, which files do i need. from the gnup folder
[22:08] <tgelter> jaffarkelshac: I usually back up the entire folder, but just a sec
[22:08] <tgelter> jaffarkelshac: if my memory serves me, secring.gpg is the private key, pubring.gpg is the public key
[22:09] <tgelter> trustdb.gpg is the list of trust established w/ all the keys
[22:09] <jaffarkelshac> thanks
[22:09] <tgelter> and that's all I can remember (if it's even correct)
[22:09] <tgelter> just back up the entire directory ...
[22:11] <jaffarkelshac> when i export public keys in a file.asc i cant import it on a different computer. i keep getting invalid format. the only way is to copy the armored text
[22:12] <jaffarkelshac> same with downloaded keys using find remote keys
[22:15] <duende> Help: I was messing with some settings trying to bind Alt+Right mouse button to resize windows ala KDE inside of compiz, but I messed something up and now my Alt+Right button doesn't move windows anymore.  I disabled desktop effects, but its still bound that way.  Where is this configured?
[22:15] <jaffarkelshac> tgelter, are you there
[22:15] <duende> in gnome btw
[22:18] <w0nder> can anyone point me in the right direction to get my sound card working in hardy?
[22:19] <w0nder> 00:1b.0 Audio device: Intel Corporation 82801I (ICH9 Family) HD Audio Controller (rev 02)
[22:20] <HorizonXP> !firefox
[22:20] <ubotu> firefox is the default web-browser on Ubuntu. To install the latest version, see https://help.ubuntu.com/community/FirefoxNewVersion Installing plugins: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/FirefoxPlugins
[22:21] <w0nder> The volume control did not find any elements and/or devices to control. This means either that you don't have the right GStreamer plugins installed, or that you don't have a sound card configured.
[22:21] <w0nder> GStreamer seems to be installed
[22:21] <w0nder> ALSA and Pulse
[22:21] <HorizonXP> is there an updated package for firefox 3 beta 5?
[22:22] <duende> alsa should support ich9 since 1.0.13
[22:22] <coz_> mm I see a bunch of new updates  and one held back  any issues so far with this update?
[22:22] <duende> sorry, since 1.0.14
[22:22] <w0nder> i try to test ALSA in sound properties:  audiotestsrc wave=sine freq=512 ! audioconvert ! audioresample ! gconfaudiosink: Could not open audio device for playback.
[22:22] <duende> so, it should be working for you, anything outputting to console?
[22:22] <w0nder> let me check
[22:22] <h3sp4wn> w0nder: There is 2 directions - m-a a-i alsa or www.opensound.com
[22:23] <HorizonXP> hey, is there an updated package for firefox 3 beta 5?
[22:24] <w0nder> when i do a tail -f of /var/log/messages , nothing is logged when i get those errors in Sound properties
[22:24] <duende> is snd_hda_intel module loaded?
[22:25] <w0nder> sry, how do i find out?
[22:25] <duende> sorry,    lsmod | grep snd_hda_intel
[22:25] <w0nder> np, thx
[22:25] <w0nder> apparently not
[22:25] <w0nder> nothing returned from grep
[22:25] <pen> where is libexpat.so.0
[22:25] <duende> sudo modprobe -v snd_hda_intel
[22:25] <duende> weird that its not installed by default
[22:25] <pen> One of my app needs this to compile
[22:26] <h3sp4wn> w0nder: First try the new alsa-driver
[22:26] <duende> pen: apt-cache search libexpat
[22:26] <w0nder> hehe maybe this is why: FATAL: Module snd_hda_intel not found.
[22:26] <h3sp4wn> w0nder: install - alsa-source and build it with module-assistant - if its already fixed their you don't want to waste your time
[22:26] <w0nder> hmm.. ok
[22:27] <pen> duende: which one relates to libexpat.so.0?
[22:27] <duende> pen: you're looking for the -dev package
[22:27] <duende> pen: i'd go with libexpat1-dev
[22:27] <pen> duende: but I don't see libexpat0 but libexpat1
[22:27] <h3sp4wn> That will get you alsa-driver 1.0.16 + patches
[22:27] <duende> there is a way to find out for sure, but i forget
[22:27] <pen> nvm
[22:27] <w0nder> ok i installed it, where do i build it?
[22:27] <pen> duende: well
[22:28] <w0nder> sorry h3sp4wn, i learn quick but this is new to me
[22:28] <pen> duende: libexpat.so.0 is still missing
[22:28] <co0lingFir4> is there a repo which hosts firefox 3.0b5?
[22:28] <h3sp4wn> w0nder: Did you also install module-assistant ?
[22:28] <w0nder> oh, one sec
[22:29] <w0nder> ohhh you mean use module assistant to install it
[22:29] <w0nder> i thought you meant compile it with that flag or something
[22:29] <w0nder> see, im thinking too hard :)
[22:29] <h3sp4wn> sudo module-assistant (then use the curses interface)
[22:29] <duende> pen: hrm, i'm not sure, i think libexpat.so.0 isn't available anymore
[22:30] <h3sp4wn> If you want you can edit /etc/alsa/alsa-source.conf
[22:30] <w0nder> yeah this is cool so far
[22:30] <w0nder> thanks
[22:30] <h3sp4wn> (To only build the driver you need - saves a bit of time)
[22:30] <pen> duende: I see
[22:30] <duende> what are you building?
[22:31] <RAOF> h3sp4wn: Or, for a single-shot solution, you can sudo module-assistant a-i alsa-source :)
[22:31] <h3sp4wn> RAOF: m-a a-i alsa
[22:31] <RAOF> h3sp4wn: I see you've refined it over many careful iterations ;)
[22:31] <h3sp4wn> RAOF: Thats what I originally said - but for once he actually cared to understand
[22:31] <RAOF> Dear lord!  Surely not!
[22:31] <w0nder> :D
[22:32] <w0nder> i'll take that as a compliment
[22:32] <w0nder> building.. building
[22:32] <w0nder> i didn't bother to edit alsa.conf
[22:32] <w0nder> i'm sure i'll do this again in the future
[22:33] <duende> pen: if you have no other choice, and are feel adventurous, you can symlink libexpat.so.1 to libexpat.so.0 and see what happens :)
[22:33] <plurt> nautilus doesn't work on my hardy?
[22:33] <pen> duende: I just want to install wink
[22:33] <duende> isn't that in apt?
[22:33] <gluer> has anyone installed firefox beta 5 on hardy, if so how is the correct way?
[22:33] <duende> why are you compiling it?
[22:34] <pen> duende: it has a bug
[22:34] <duende> i see
[22:34] <icanhasadmin_> Quick question about a super odd issue i'm having. I suppose its possible for something to work in one version of the kernel and not the other? and why does Hardy install two different versions? or is it just keeping the old gutsy one?
[22:34] <duende> well, try symlinking that library and trying
[22:34] <pen> duende: I was hoping compiling myself would solved it, but apprently it's not
[22:34] <h3sp4wn> w0nder: Even if the new alsa works it quite possibly will sound really distorted
[22:34] <duende> pen: what's the bug?
[22:34] <w0nder> ok..
[22:34] <w0nder> should i try installing something other than alsa?
[22:35] <h3sp4wn> w0nder: (My new laptop falls into that catagory) - Then the choices are OSS4 or junk sound
[22:35] <w0nder> lol k
[22:35] <duende> pen: nm, i see it now :)
[22:35] <pen> duende: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/wink/+bug/185868
[22:35] <ubotu> Launchpad bug 185868 in wink "wink complains about not finding libexpat.so.0" [Undecided,Confirmed]
[22:35] <calc> kane77: got your answer about OOo yet? its due to ooo-l10n not being uploaded yet
[22:36] <duende> pen: i just tried  sudo ln -s /usr/lib/libexpat.so.1 /usr/lib/libexpat.so.0 and it worked for me
[22:36] <kane77> calc, oh.. I see.. so I will upgrade in the morning
[22:36] <calc> kane77: er maybe
[22:36] <duende> pen: its dirty, but it should work in the meantime
[22:36] <pen> duende: how do I disconnect it if it's solved?
[22:36] <h3sp4wn> sudo ln -s /usr/lib/libexpat.so /usr/lib/libexpat.so.0
[22:36] <calc> kane77: the person who was going to help me do the new way of ooo-l10n isn't around currently and he didn't finish explaining what to do for it yet
[22:36] <HorizonXP> is openoffice.org broken in the repos?
[22:36] <calc> kane77: so i still don't have it finished yet
[22:36] <calc> HorizonXP: see ^ wrt kane77
[22:37] <HorizonXP> ah
[22:37] <w0nder> what do  ineed to get from apt to install oss4?
[22:37] <HorizonXP> good thing word processor didn't get broken yet
[22:37] <HorizonXP> because I need that, not the others, lol
[22:37] <HorizonXP> I'll wait it out then :)
[22:37] <w0nder> alsa keeps failing when trying to build.. probably doesn't work yet
[22:37] <calc> HorizonXP: its working it just doesn't have any translations right now
[22:38] <pen> duende: thx, :)
[22:38] <h3sp4wn> w0nder: Are you on x86 or amd64 ?
[22:38] <pen> duende: it works now
[22:38] <w0nder> x86
[22:38] <calc> HorizonXP: so if you use en-us you can remove the language-support-* packages and it will let you install ooo, but it will be fixed in a day or two
[22:38] <duende> pen: nice
[22:38] <calc> it takes ~ 8hr to build once i get it uploaded
[22:38] <calc> but it won't be uploaded until i can determine what to do with the translations off launchpad
[22:38] <HorizonXP> ok
[22:38] <HorizonXP> thanks for the solution :)
[22:39] <calc> or rather how to get them and feed them to the po->sdf translator
[22:39] <calc> HorizonXP: if you do remove language-support-* be sure to reinstall it later :)
[22:40] <h3sp4wn> w0nder: You can either download the stable version from www.opensound.com - or try this one I built it a few mins ago for hardy
[22:40] <HorizonXP> yeah
[22:40] <w0nder> nice, lets try yours
[22:40] <HorizonXP> calc: because the only language-support-* package I had was for English. I assume that I need that.
[22:40] <kane77> at one time it happened to me that I was editing very important document and I was doing some stuff in the background and by mistake I removed OO.org but the editor was still running :)
[22:41] <bobesponja> hi
[22:41] <HorizonXP> whoa
[22:41] <icanhasadmin_> hooray for netsplits
[22:41] <HorizonXP> what just happened there?
[22:41] <w0nder> w00t
[22:41] <h3sp4wn> w0nder: http://hydra.audio-science.org.uk/junk/oss-linux_v4.1-080323_i386.deb
[22:42] <kane77> too bad I have join/part messages off :(
[22:42] <w0nder> beautiful
[22:42] <w0nder> installing packages has gotten so much easier nowadays
[22:42] <w0nder> hell, everything in linux has
[22:42] <icanhasadmin_> w0nder: yes a few million times
[22:42] <HorizonXP> calc: I removed the package you said to, but update-manager still won't allow me to update the packages
[22:43] <h3sp4wn> Not everything some things that were always easy have become a pita
[22:43] <HorizonXP> do I need to do a full removal of OO, and reinstall?
[22:43] <w0nder> but it still maintains its power.. i love it
[22:43] <w0nder> lol oh yeah?
[22:43] <icanhasadmin_> h3sp4wn: really? like what?
[22:44] <cyclonut> wb everybody
[22:44] <icanhasadmin_> hihi
[22:44] <icanhasadmin_> apt-get has never failed me. what package problem are you having?
[22:45] <h3sp4wn> icanhasadmin_: Here is not really the place
[22:45] <h3sp4wn> w0nder: Is it installed ?
[22:46] <w0nder> i installed the package, updated module-assistant but i dont see it in the list?
[22:46] <w0nder> maybe im going about it wrong...
[22:46] <h3sp4wn> (this could be one of those cases where the gui dpkg installer did it wrong
[22:46] <w0nder> ahh
[22:46] <h3sp4wn> try running - sudo soundon
[22:47] <w0nder> OSS is already loaded.. nice
[22:47] <w0nder> still no sound tho :\
[22:47] <h3sp4wn> osstest
[22:47] <w0nder> woo
[22:47] <HorizonXP> calc: the problem is openoffice.org-common. Apt-get wants a version higher than 1:2.4.0, but 1:2.4.0~rc2-1ubuntu3 is going to be installed; obviously it can't see that they're the same
[22:47] <w0nder> i hear pianos
[22:48] <w0nder> but now to get my volume control to work
[22:48] <w0nder> sorry to suggest this---- reboot? ;)
[22:48] <calc> HorizonXP: yes, but if you had current ooo l10n debs it would just work (but they don't exist yet)
[22:48] <HorizonXP> calc: so I'm SoL for now?
[22:48] <calc> HorizonXP: if you dig a bit deeper you will see that the reason its having a problem with that package is due to the ooo l10n packages :\
[22:48] <h3sp4wn> w0nder: There is - ossxmix
[22:48] <icanhasadmin_> i'm an alsa guy myself..
[22:48] <w0nder> oh so i should probably hide this one
[22:49] <calc> HorizonXP: yes unless you remove the language-support-* and any ooo-l10n-* ooo-help-* packages (forgot about those two sets when i told you earlier)
[22:49] <calc> HorizonXP: hopefully it will be done by sometime tomorrow
[22:49] <h3sp4wn> w0nder: http://homepage.ntlworld.com/clive_wright/download/gstreamer-ossv4.tar.gz
[22:50] <Exilant> so the oo-update i just did was a bad idea?
[22:50] <calc> Exilant: if it works that is fine, it probably won't install for you though until (hopefully) later tomorrow
[22:51] <HorizonXP> calc: I have none of those packages installed :S
[22:51] <h3sp4wn> w0nder: http://www.4front-tech.com/wiki/index.php/Configuring_Applications_for_OSSv4 - Its annoying but OSS sounds so much nicer
[22:51] <w0nder> ok
[22:51] <Exilant> well, i did dist-upgrade
[22:51] <Exilant> don't need oo, so i don't mind if it breaks
[22:51] <calc> HorizonXP:  openoffice.org-common 1:2.4.0-3ubuntu1 - installed for me
[22:52] <calc> HorizonXP: of course i had to harass it into installing
[22:52] <HorizonXP> calc: how? mine's complaining that it needs openoffice.org-core
[22:52] <Exilant> anyone knows when the new restricted-modules get into the reps?
[22:53] <h3sp4wn> w0nder: Don't understand how alsa can need quirks for all the different hd-audio chips but I have never heard of OSS4 not working with one
[22:53] <evermind-> Hi, has someone tried to compile  linux-kernel 2.6.25-rcX on 8.04? Here after make install_modules the dir /lib/modules/2.6.25-rcX is about 450Mb in size and the initrd is also very large (about 46Mb) -- This seems a big large is. I used make oldconfig to configure the kernel
[22:53] <w0nder> lol
[22:54] <icanhasadmin_> h3sp4wn: oss4 does not work with my audio at all.
[22:54] <w0nder> there are a lot of things about different apps\modules i dont understand :)
[22:54] <calc> HorizonXP: pastebin the output of dpkg -l
[22:54] <h3sp4wn> w0nder: gstreamer-properties (select OSS for both for now) - still messing around with pulse
[22:54]  * calc notes he uses dselect since it is good at helping correct weird issues like this
[22:54] <h3sp4wn> icanhasadmin_: What card ?
[22:55] <calc> of course the manner in which helps can be annoying but it makes it clear what is causing problems
[22:55] <HorizonXP> !pastebin
[22:55] <ubotu> pastebin is a service to post multiple-lined texts so you don't flood the channel. The Ubuntu pastebin is at http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org (make sure you give us the URL for your paste - see also the channel topic)
[22:55] <calc> or pastebin.ubuntu.com
[22:56] <HorizonXP> http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/61957/
[22:56] <calc> ah ok
[22:57] <icanhasadmin_> h3sp4wn: Intel HDA... er.. something.. hold on :P
[22:57] <spiderfire> hi
[22:57] <calc> try dpkg --purge --force-depends openoffice.org-thesaurus-en-au openoffice.org-thesaurus-en-us language-support-translations-en language-support-writing-en
[22:57] <HorizonXP> calc: is that a good 'ah ok'
[22:57] <calc> then apt-get install openoffice.org
[22:57] <calc> i think that might fix it
[22:58] <spiderfire> did the new kernel omit nvidia?
[22:58] <calc> HorizonXP: you may also want to run apt-get update; apt-get dist-upgrade first
[22:58] <calc> if it doesn't puke on your
[22:58] <calc> er you
[22:58] <h3sp4wn> icanhasadmin_: And you are certain you unloaded the alsa modules first ?
[22:58] <HorizonXP> calc: it says that a bunch of OOO packages aren't going to be installed
[22:58] <h3sp4wn> icanhasadmin_: ossinfo -v
[22:59] <calc> HorizonXP: hmm try doing this:
[22:59] <HorizonXP> calc: so it puked on me, lol
[22:59] <icanhasadmin_> calc: yes, and realtek alc861, and i don't have oss installed at the moment
[22:59] <calc> dpkg -l | grep 1:2.4.0~rc2-1ubuntu3 | cut -f 3 -d " " | xargs dpkg --purge --force-depends
[23:00] <calc> that will remove all of your openoffice related packages from the openoffice.org source
[23:00] <HorizonXP> done
[23:00] <calc> ok now dpkg --purge --force-depends openoffice.org-thesaurus-en-au  openoffice.org-thesaurus-en-us language-support-translations-en  language-support-writing-en
[23:01] <calc> then see what apt-get dist-upgrade says
[23:01] <HorizonXP> dist-upgrade does nothing
[23:01] <calc> hmm, let me see one other thing in a sec
[23:01] <calc> HorizonXP: doesn't bomb, just does nothing?
[23:01] <HorizonXP> it doesn't install anything
[23:01] <calc> HorizonXP: if so see what 'apt-get install openoffice.org' will do
[23:02] <HorizonXP> maybe update first
[23:02] <HorizonXP> ok
[23:02] <HorizonXP> same issue
[23:02] <calc> if apt-get dist-upgrade doesn't give any error output it is probably ok
[23:02] <calc> HorizonXP: pastebin the output of apt-get install openoffice.org please
[23:03] <HorizonXP> http://pastebin.ubuntu.com/6395/
[23:03] <Exilant> HorizonXP: apt-get -o Debug::pkgProblemResolver=yes dist-upgrade
[23:03] <calc> HorizonXP: do what he said above and also run apt-get update to make sure you have to date package list
[23:03] <Exilant> hm, looks weird
[23:04] <Oli``> Each time I login and use an app that uses the keyring, it asks me for my keyring password (different from my login). Is there a way I can stop this happening? Can I auto-authenticate on login without any interaction from me?
[23:04] <HorizonXP> calc: did those 2 commands, apt-get install openoffice.org has same output
[23:05] <Exilant> Oli``: not for kdm, unfortunately
[23:05] <aguitel_> anyone install hardy in eeepc ?
[23:06] <h3sp4wn> aguitel_: No but there is a patch on madwifi.org for the wifi
[23:06] <aguitel_> h3sp4wn: yes i know about this
[23:06] <h3sp4wn> aguitel_: Shouldn't have any trouble
[23:07] <aguitel_> h3sp4wn: i have gutsy working fine
[23:07] <calc> HorizonXP: did the output apt-get dist-upgrade that Exilant told you show anything?
[23:07] <h3sp4wn> aguitel_: the wifi is the only ee specific thing but thats the same for both
[23:08] <HorizonXP> calc: not much really, want me to pastebin it?
[23:08] <calc> HorizonXP: sure
[23:08] <aguitel_> h3sp4wn: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/EeePC
[23:09] <HorizonXP> http://pastebin.ubuntu.com/6396/
[23:10] <calc> HorizonXP: interesting, it appears that apt doesn't think you are in a wedged state, but it won't let you install openoffice.org either
[23:10] <HorizonXP> calc: lol, it may be interesting, but it's damned annoying for sure! lol
[23:10] <cps1966> need a little hardware advice
[23:10] <HorizonXP> I wonder what I could do...
[23:10] <calc> HorizonXP: hmm maybe see what synaptic says if you try to select openoffice.org package?
[23:11] <cps1966> what is the best webcam to get for flat pannel display
[23:11] <h3sp4wn> HorizonXP: sudo aptitude full-upgrade - wait until it gives you a solution you are happy with
[23:12] <HorizonXP> calc: ok, it's asking to install additional packages, like some java things
[23:12] <HorizonXP> I click mark and....
[23:12] <plurt> lol, I'm trying to boot ubuntu in text mode, how?
[23:12] <cps1966> safe mode
[23:12] <HorizonXP> it can't mark them because of the same dependencies as apt-get
[23:12] <Blakesmith> anyone having trouble logging out of Gnome?
[23:12] <h3sp4wn> plurt: Just stop gdm
[23:12] <plurt> h3sp4wn: that will bring the graphic login up again
[23:13] <HorizonXP> h3sp4wn: that'd work if openoffice were installed; it's currently removed
[23:13] <h3sp4wn> sudo update-rc.d -f gdm remove
[23:13] <h3sp4wn> HorizonXP: Just install the old version
[23:13] <calc> HorizonXP: what does something simpler like apt-get install openoffice.org-writer say?
[23:14] <JohnPhys> is there a simple gui for the new ufw firewall?
[23:14] <Killeroid> hi everyone, need a little help. i tired updating from gutsy to herdy heron beta and the upgrade run into problems. the upgrade wont start because there are some broken dependencies. apparently, language-support-en depends on openoffice.org-l10n-en-za and openoffice.org-l10n-en-gb and those two are broken or something. i tired uninstalling them but they take language-support-en with them. what can i do?
[23:14] <Killeroid> *tried
[23:14] <aguitel_> h3sp4wn: one question ,how upgrade from gutsy to hardy (in april 24) ?
[23:15] <HorizonXP> The following packages have unmet dependencies:
[23:15] <HorizonXP>   openoffice.org-writer: Depends: openoffice.org-core (= 1:2.4.0-3ubuntu1) but it is not going to be installed
[23:15] <HorizonXP>                          Depends: python-uno (>= 1:2.4.0) but it is not going to be installed
[23:15] <HorizonXP> whoops, guess I should've pastebin'd that
[23:15] <h3sp4wn> aguitel_: I would rebuild with such limited space
[23:15] <Exilant> HorizonXP: well, if you try to install those manually?
[23:15] <aguitel_> h3sp4wn: ??
[23:16] <Exilant> or look at installed versions or whatever
[23:16] <h3sp4wn> HorizonXP: Try something like - sudo aptitude install openoffice.org-core=1:2.4.0~rc2.1
[23:16] <HorizonXP> Exilant: okay, so ooo-core depends on ooo-common
[23:16] <h3sp4wn> aguitel_: Start again in the same way you installed gutsy
[23:16] <HorizonXP> Exilant: and then when I try to install that, it doesn't recognize it as being the right version
[23:16] <aguitel_> h3sp4wn: i have fresh gutsy
[23:17] <Exilant> hm, something really is weird with that oo-stuff
[23:17] <h3sp4wn> aguitel_: You only have limited space though
[23:17] <HorizonXP> h3sp4wn: doesn't work
[23:17] <HorizonXP> Exilant: agreed
[23:17] <JohnPhys> yeah, my ooo won't update either
[23:17] <h3sp4wn> Nah just running into a long standing issue with apt
[23:17] <aguitel_> h3sp4wn: 800 mg free
[23:18] <HorizonXP> sudo apt-get install openoffice.org-writer openoffice.org-core python-uno openoffice.org-common results in openoffice.org-core: Depends: openoffice.org-common (> 1:2.4.0) but 1:2.4.0~rc2-1ubuntu3 is to be installed
[23:18] <linkinxp> hey guys can u tell me if u can go to this website www.pandora.com and let me know if it works
[23:18] <linkinxp> thanks
[23:18] <jbroome> it does
[23:19] <Killeroid> linkinxp: pandora works, using it right now
[23:19] <digin4> it doesn't here, since i dont live in U.S.
[23:19] <linkinxp> Killeroid,  it frozes for me in firefox
[23:19] <teamcobra> what's the easiest way to get rid of the suspend/hibernate buttons on logout for _all_ users, even ones created in the future?
[23:19] <linkinxp> i have flash installed
[23:19] <h3sp4wn> aguitel_: Probably not enough for an upgrade
[23:19] <Killeroid> linkinxp: i use firefox and it has never frozen firefox.
[23:20] <jbroome> i'm on hardy 64 and i'm playing along fine
[23:20] <linkinxp> Killeroid,  what plugins do i need?
[23:20] <HorizonXP> calc: no way to force it to install it anyway?
[23:20] <Killeroid> just flash, i  am guessing
[23:20] <plurt> my suspend/hibernate buttons have dissapeared, how do I reactivate them?
[23:21] <linkinxp> Killeroid,  no worky :(
[23:22] <Killeroid> linkinxp: did you manually install flash or did you install flash from the repos? i shouldnt be actually helping you since i am actually on gutsy and  trying to upgrade to hardy right now
[23:22] <linkinxp> Killeroid,  my bad but i installed when i said "Hey i need flash" and i did but still no worky
[23:23] <linkinxp> i cant see videos neither
[23:23] <linkinxp> :O
[23:23] <JohnPhys> linkinxp: it works for me
[23:24] <linkinxp> so what could be the problem?
[23:24] <Killeroid> so you never said, did you install flash manually or from the repos? does flash even work on any other site?
[23:24] <JohnPhys> linkinxp:  not sure, are you sure you got flash installed?
[23:24] <linkinxp> :O
[23:24] <linkinxp> Clones?
[23:24] <HorizonXP> calc: I'm really wishing I didn't do an update! lol
[23:24] <linkinxp> yes im sure its installed
[23:24] <Exilant> it works here, except for some youtube-vids
[23:24] <tanner> anyone else have adblock plus suddenly... die?
[23:24] <h3sp4wn> HorizonXP: Do you not use -s (simulate) first
[23:24] <linkinxp> let me uninstall
[23:25] <Exilant> (and performance issues, and maybe strange sites)
[23:25] <JohnPhys> linkinxp:  how did you install flash?
[23:25] <Killeroid> linkinxp: enter this "about:plugins" in url bar in firefox   (without quotes of course)
[23:25] <linkinxp> when the browser ask for it
[23:25] <HorizonXP> h3sp4wn: well.... I think the answer to that question is obvious.
[23:25] <linkinxp> application/x-shockwave-flash 	Shockwave Flash 	swf 	Yes
[23:26] <linkinxp> its says is there
[23:26] <mooboo1> put ff3b5 in repo
[23:26] <Killeroid> linkinxp: what version?
[23:26] <JohnPhys> linkinxp:  did you restart firefox after installing flash?
[23:27] <linkinxp> Compatible Shockwave Flash 8.0 r99
[23:27] <linkinxp> yes
[23:27] <HorizonXP> calc: at this point, what would be wrong with me installing OpenOffice from the debs off the main site?
[23:27] <JohnPhys> linkinxp:  as in, close all open firefox windows, including the downloads window
[23:27] <linkinxp> yes i did
[23:27] <JohnPhys> HorizonXP:  from what I can gather in synaptic, there are some other packages that haven't been updated yet, that might be dependencies
[23:27] <Exilant> calc, have you removed all the oo-packages?
[23:27] <Exilant> uos
[23:28] <Exilant> HorizonXP, i meant
[23:28] <Exilant> ah, new packages
[23:28] <Killeroid> linkinxp: you are using really old version of lfash
[23:28] <Killeroid> current version is Shockwave Flash 9.0 r115
[23:28] <Killeroid> *flash
[23:29] <linkinxp_> ups
[23:29] <Exilant> still no restricted-modules
[23:30] <HorizonX1> stupid freezing
[23:30] <HorizonX1> anyone else having problems with hardy's screen randomly freezing?
[23:30] <Prefix> Anyone having problems with right click type menus? Mine are under my windows
[23:30] <linkinxp_> nop
[23:30] <Prefix> making it very hard to use
[23:30] <HorizonX1> programs seem to keep working (like music continues to play) and so does the mouse, but otherwise the whole thing is frozen
[23:31] <daekdroom> Hm.. How'd you reproduce the bug?
[23:31] <Prefix> my bug or horizons?
[23:31] <frank__> a unicorn??????
[23:31] <emet> !info firefox
[23:31] <ubotu> Package firefox does not exist in hardy
[23:31] <daekdroom> Horizon's
[23:32] <emet> ..
[23:32] <Prefix> lol
[23:32] <HorizonXP> daekdroom: No idea. It may be compiz related
[23:32] <HorizonXP> or nvidia driver related
[23:32] <daekdroom> HorizonXP: Whenever I click the hour on top of screen my X freezes.
[23:32] <daekdroom> Is that how it happens?
[23:32] <emet> !info mozilla-firefox
[23:32] <ubotu> Package mozilla-firefox does not exist in hardy
[23:32] <calc> Exilant: i am pretty sure he has them all removed
[23:32] <Prefix> any idea on my issue guys?
[23:32] <HorizonXP> seems to happen when I switch windows
[23:32] <emet> what did the package get renamed to?
[23:32] <daekdroom> !info firefox3
[23:32] <ubotu> Package firefox3 does not exist in hardy
[23:32] <calc> Exilant: not sure why it refuses to install for him, it doesn't really give useful output
[23:32] <daekdroom> !info firefox2
[23:32] <ubotu> Package firefox2 does not exist in hardy
[23:32] <emet> !info firefox gutsy
[23:32] <ubotu> Package firefox does not exist in gutsy
[23:32] <Prefix> menus (like righ tclick ones I dont know their genre..) appear below my windows
[23:32] <emet> ....
[23:33] <emet> that's BS
[23:33] <Exilant> i had freezes with compiz recently, with ati, ctrl-alt-f1, then f7 ->crash
[23:33] <Prefix> !info firefox3
[23:33] <bobbo85> Anyone know why adding the medibuntu hardy repository caused me to have 21 updates that cant install?  They're always being "Held back" and asking me to do a "partial update"
[23:33] <emet> !info ubuntu-desktop
[23:33] <ubotu> Package ubuntu-desktop does not exist in hardy
[23:33] <calc> ah!
[23:33] <calc> 17:18 < HorizonXP> sudo apt-get install openoffice.org-writer  openoffice.org-core python-uno openoffice.org-common results  in openoffice.org-core: Depends: openoffice.org-common (>  1:2.4.0) but 1:2.4.0~rc2-1ubuntu3 is to be installed
[23:33] <emet> it lies
[23:33] <Prefix> lol
[23:33] <HorizonXP> calc: ah?
[23:33] <HorizonXP> calc: revelation?
[23:34] <HorizonXP> Exilant: My keyboard is useless during these freezes
[23:34] <Prefix> seriously, can anyone help?
[23:34] <calc> hold, got a phone call
[23:34] <Prefix> lol
[23:34] <HorizonXP> daekdroom: clicking the clock works fine for me
[23:34] <daekdroom> ouch
[23:34] <alex_mayorga> anyone can give me a hand to get video working bug 146706
[23:34] <ubotu> Launchpad bug 146706 in xserver-xorg-video-nv "[Hardy alpha 6] Live cd graphics fail with nvidia geforce4 440 go " [High,Triaged] https://launchpad.net/bugs/146706
[23:35] <linkinxp_> IT works !!!
[23:35] <linkinxp_> ITs ALIVE!!!
[23:35] <linkinxp_> was the gnash Swf Viewer i had to uninstall it :D
[23:36] <Prefix> oh wow, now i cant even take a screenshot to show people the bug....
[23:36] <Prefix> lol :<
[23:36] <linkinxp_> :O
[23:37] <linkinxp_> why?
[23:37] <Prefix> ok.... it just fixed itself
[23:37] <Prefix> im going to try and find out how to repeat it.
[23:38] <calc> ok back
[23:38]  * calc reads scrollback
[23:39] <calc> HorizonXP: yea i have a command for you to run but i have to figure out what it is first
[23:39] <Blakesmith> ooo you touch my tralala
[23:39] <HorizonXP> calc: yay! lol
[23:40] <calc> HorizonXP: what does apt-cache policy openoffice.org-common show
[23:40] <Prefix> anyone elses sound lagging in hardy?
[23:40] <calc> HorizonXP: for it to still claim it wants to install the old version of openoffice.org-common means something is either messed up with your system or your mirror
[23:41] <calc> HorizonXP: hopefully apt-cache policy will help us determine that
[23:41] <MTecknology> !beta
[23:41] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about beta - try searching on http://ubotu.ubuntu-nl.org/factoids.cgi
[23:41] <Killeroid> hmm, seems no one is able to help me, i guess i will just download the current cdimage and upgrade from the cd
[23:41] <HorizonXP> openoffice.org-common:
[23:41] <HorizonXP>   Installed: (none)
[23:41] <HorizonXP>   Candidate: 1:2.4.0~rc2-1ubuntu3
[23:41] <HorizonXP>   Version table:
[23:41] <HorizonXP>      1:2.4.0~rc2-1ubuntu3 0
[23:41] <HorizonXP>         500 http://ca.archive.ubuntu.com hardy/main Packages
[23:41] <MTecknology> !daily
[23:41] <ubotu> Daily builds of the CD images of the current development version of Ubuntu are available at http://cdimage.ubuntu.com/daily/current/ and http://cdimage.ubuntu.com/daily-live/current/
[23:42] <HorizonXP> maybe the canadian repos are messed?
[23:42] <calc> HorizonXP: switch your mirror if you can to archive.ubuntu.com and then apt-get update and then apt-get install openoffice.org to see if that fixes it
[23:42] <calc> HorizonXP: well maybe not messed up, but at least slow and not up to date
[23:42] <HorizonXP> canada always gets the shaft :(
[23:42] <calc> HorizonXP: for it to say that version means it must be out of date
[23:43] <calc> HorizonXP: it may be they only mirror once a day and haven't done it for today yet
[23:43] <calc> HorizonXP: thought that doesn't explain why they have some of the up to date openoffice.org packages in that case
[23:43] <HorizonXP> openoffice.org-common:
[23:43] <HorizonXP>   Installed: (none)
[23:43] <HorizonXP>   Candidate: 1:2.4.0-3ubuntu1
[23:43] <HorizonXP>   Version table:
[23:43] <HorizonXP>      1:2.4.0-3ubuntu1 0
[23:43] <HorizonXP>         500 http://archive.ubuntu.com hardy/main Packages
[23:43] <HorizonXP> try now?
[23:43] <HorizonXP> hahaha
[23:43] <HorizonXP> looks like it's going to work
[23:43] <calc> yea
[23:44] <HorizonXP> it wants to install 70.9 MB of packages
[23:44] <HorizonXP> yay!
[23:44] <calc> yipee :)
[23:44] <HorizonXP> calc: thank goodness for my fat, university pipe :)
[23:45] <HorizonXP> this is only going to take 1 min
[23:45] <Exilant> :)
[23:47] <lucasvo> is anyone having issues with too big fonts in firefox and gdm-login-screen?
[23:47] <Exilant> hey Lucas
[23:48] <lucasvo> hi Exilant
[23:48] <lucasvo> how are you?
[23:48] <alex_mayorga> lucasvo, I do
[23:48] <icanhasadmin_> lucasvo: no, but people are having issues with fonts being too small at login
[23:48] <Exilant> fine, and you?
[23:48] <lucasvo> alex_mayorga: does dopplr.com look ok?
[23:49] <lucasvo> alex_mayorga: what about facebook?
[23:49] <alex_mayorga> let me check
[23:49] <h3sp4wn> lucasvo: what says - sudo xdpyinfo| grep -i res
[23:49] <Antireligion> anyone have problems with youtube fullscreen in 8.04 using a geforce 8800gt
[23:49] <Antireligion> ?
[23:49] <lucasvo> h3sp4wn: 195x88 dots per inch
[23:49] <lucasvo> Exilant: not very consequent with my trainig
[23:49] <h3sp4wn> lucasvo: Do you have any idea what it should be ?
[23:50] <h3sp4wn> (or do you have a huge screen)
[23:50] <alex_mayorga> lucasvo, on the passwords the "dots" look too big
[23:50] <lucasvo> alex_mayorga: I have the same problem
[23:50] <Exilant> lucasvo: me neither
[23:50] <dwidmann> Wouldn't something like 90x90 be normal for screen dpi?
[23:50] <alex_mayorga> I recall some one reported it not long ago
[23:50] <alex_mayorga> in GDM I believe
[23:51] <Antireligion> will there be a new wine version out soon with sorted keyboard issue?
[23:51] <h3sp4wn> dwidmann: Depends - hardcoding normal is annoying
[23:51] <lucasvo> h3sp4wn: it's dualhead, one is 15": 1024x786 and one is 12": with much bigger resolution
[23:51] <h3sp4wn> lucasvo: What video card ?
[23:52] <lucasvo> h3sp4wn: Intel Corporation Mobile GM965/GL960 Integrated Graphics Controller (rev 0c)
[23:52] <lucasvo> h3sp4wn: it's a HP 2710p
[23:52] <h3sp4wn> lucasvo: You will have to use xrandr
[23:53] <h3sp4wn> dunno how to make it permanent though
[23:53] <h3sp4wn> xrandr --help
[23:53] <h3sp4wn> --dpi <dpi>/<output>
[23:53] <alex_mayorga> lucasvo, maybe bug 99145
[23:53] <ubotu> Launchpad bug 99145 in gdm "[feisty] GDM font seems to be to big or too high DPI" [Low,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/99145
[23:54] <HorizonXP> calc: looks like it's all working, thanks a bunch :D
[23:54] <calc> HorizonXP: great :)
[23:54] <lucasvo> h3sp4wn: how can I find out the resolution?
[23:54] <HorizonXP> calc: that definitely took a while, such a small problem though eh?
[23:55] <h3sp4wn> lucasvo: xrandr
[23:55] <lucasvo> great english. sorry. What's the best way to tell what resolution is best for me?
[23:55] <ethana2> ..so when hardy is released, this will turn into the intrepid channel, right?
[23:55] <calc> HorizonXP: yea, i never thought of a mirror being partially out of date, heh
[23:55] <lucasvo> h3sp4wn: I don't understand what it tries to tell me, when I run xrandr
[23:55] <lucasvo> without arguments
[23:55] <h3sp4wn> lucasvo: Really you just want the dpi set right for both heads and sane resolutions and it sthould just work
[23:56] <calc> HorizonXP: there is more than one issue there though, the part i originally told you would have needed to be done (afaik) but it should have just worked at that point if the mirror wasn't outdated
[23:56] <akk> What kernel does hardy use? The installer seems to be hanging, so I'm wondering if it has 2.6.22 and has the kacpid bug
[23:56] <HorizonXP> yeah, makes sense
[23:57] <h3sp4wn> lucasvo: Look at the manpage for xrandr or try to find someone with the same hardware
[23:58] <Exilant> there's krandrtray and probably sth. for gnome as well
[23:58] <h3sp4wn> lucasvo: try reading - http://sidux.com/index.php?module=pnWikka&tag=xrandr
[23:59] <Exilant> nm, doesn't seem to be able to do what needs to be done
[23:59] <akk> Is there any point in reporting a bug for "installer hangs with cpu at 100%"?
[23:59] <h3sp4wn> http://wiki.debian.org/XStrikeForce/HowToRandR12