[19:14] <andrea-bs> hello, <http://fridge.ubuntu.com/event> is inaccessible
[19:14] <beuno> Rinchen, ^^
[19:18] <Rinchen> well, that's interesting
[19:19] <beuno> interesting is one way of putting it, yes  :)
[19:20] <Rinchen> hmm, I just cycled all the event modules with no change
[19:22] <Rinchen> I got a hold of newz and he's going to look at it in a few minutes
[19:22] <Rinchen> he didn't realize it was feeding #ubuntu-meeting
[19:22] <beuno> yes, there is a few things that depend on it
[19:23] <Rinchen> what else that you know of?
[19:23] <Rinchen> it looks like the rss feed is still working though
[19:23] <beuno> many websites
[19:23] <beuno> some calendars
[19:24] <beuno> and there is a notification widget that was being worked on
[19:24] <beuno> specifically for this
[19:24] <beuno> but I'm not sure it's out in the wild yet
[19:25] <Rinchen> they all use the rss feed though I think
[19:25] <Rinchen> so the only real issue is that we can't add, delete, or change entries.
[19:26] <beuno> that's right
[19:33] <andrea-bs> Could you please put in the <pubDate> field of the Fridge Events Feed the datetime the event will be held? This helps me ordering the items with my feed aggregator and I think would be useful for other users too
[19:34] <newz2000> hi Rinchen, boredandblogging. Updating to the dev version of event didn't fix it
[19:34] <boredandblogging> hmmm
[19:34] <newz2000> not surprising though, the diff was very small.
[19:34] <Rinchen> hmm
[19:36] <newz2000> I'm going to ask in #drupal-support unless someone else has already done this
[19:36] <Rinchen> +1
[19:36] <boredandblogging> go for it
[19:36] <Rinchen> newz2000, I don't understand why it would have changed this week
[19:37] <newz2000> Rinchen: yes, that's the mystery
[19:37] <Rinchen> newz2000, I'm not aware of anything IS did
[19:37] <newz2000> but I'm going to bet...
[19:37] <newz2000> that some event was added that's messing things up
[19:37] <newz2000> I should look at the data first maybe
[19:37] <boredandblogging> we just delete the last few and see if the page works again
[19:38] <newz2000> doesn't that mean a lot of work for just a chance?
[19:38] <boredandblogging> its tedious, but I don't think its a lot of events
[19:38] <newz2000> ok, let me poke at the db first
[19:39] <boredandblogging> ok
[19:39] <Rinchen> wow newz2000 ...have a look at the recent log history
[19:40] <newz2000> what do developers feel compelled to come up with creative ways to store dates when the databse has a perfectly useable datetime field?
[19:40] <boredandblogging> yeah, the errors are caused when you pull up the calendar, theoretically
[19:41] <boredandblogging> but newz2000 couldn't replicate it with debugging code yesterday
[19:42] <boredandblogging> maybe wiping out the session table could clear up the duplicate error
[19:42] <Rinchen> gmmktime() expects parameter 6 to be long, string ...
[19:44] <newz2000> yeah, that doesn't seem to be fatal though
[19:44] <newz2000> I don't think its causing this prob
[19:44] <Rinchen> damn,...there's 100 log pages just from today due to the theme errors
[19:45] <newz2000> theme errors?
[19:45] <newz2000> but yes, the logging is made less effective by the quantity of data
[19:46] <newz2000> anyone know when the prob first started happening?
[19:47] <boredandblogging> at least after march 24th, because I created the server team meetings and checked the calendar
[19:49] <Rinchen> I did kees's entry on Monday
[19:49] <Rinchen> I think it was Monday
[19:50] <Rinchen> hmm my irc log sort of suggests it was last thursday
[19:52] <newz2000> the last two events were modified last on the 26th, which is last Wed
[19:53] <newz2000> there is absolutely nothing fishy looking with the events either
[19:55] <newz2000> would someone delete the last two events, one by one, so we can see if they affect the problem at all?
[19:55] <boredandblogging> yeah, I'll do it
[19:58] <boredandblogging> deleted both security meetings, doesn't help
[19:59] <newz2000> it hasn't affected the rss feed
[20:00] <boredandblogging> those 2 aren't listed under upcoming events anymore
[20:04] <newz2000> people in drupal-support started talking about this prob before I even got a chance to mention it
[20:04] <newz2000> http://drupal.org/node/158043
[20:10] <Rinchen> I tried swizzling the caching but there was no affect. It's off and has been
[20:14] <newz2000> I think its probably mem related. Our server is set to 8M max.
[20:22] <boredandblogging> maybe eventually turn on caching too?
[20:26] <newz2000> I've never felt that fridge was slow, and caching seems to be more hassle than its worth. But maybe I'm wrong and performance is lacking.
[20:28] <Rinchen> the articles on drupal suggest that caching takes even more local memory
[20:29] <Rinchen> but it might be interesting for us since 99.9% of all access to the fridge is unauthenticated
[20:30] <boredandblogging> right, drupal stores cached pages in the db (why?)
[20:38] <newz2000> I suspect it puts them in the database because its easier... since drupal doesn't have to worry about fs permissiosn when writing files
[20:39] <newz2000> but that doesn't make it use more php ram
[20:41] <cody-somerville> Drupal is a horrible memory hog.
[20:41] <cody-somerville> I had the same problem with my drupal website
[20:41] <boredandblogging> it might, after drupal pulls out of the cache from the db, it probably sits in php ram for a bit before its gets served up
[20:42] <newz2000> true
[20:43] <newz2000> My prev employer's web application software used XSL for the page generation. A typical page view used over 800M of RAM and some of our reports used over 1200M of RAM. per pageview! ;-)
[20:44] <boredandblogging> wow
[20:45] <boredandblogging> anytime someone mentions reporting, I cringe
[20:48] <newz2000> My job was to make sure payroll reports worked right for our customers. It was a pain and for some reason the only time we had problems was on payday 45m before the payroll *had* to be done.
[20:49] <newz2000> anyway, drupal uses no ram compared to that app
[20:49] <newz2000> And I've seen (and written) php apps that need far more ram than 24M
[20:51] <boredandblogging> heh, I write java, I know bloated  :-P
[20:56] <newz2000> yeah, this program was in java too
[20:57] <boredandblogging> hah, figures
[23:16] <newz2000> events works now
[23:16] <boredandblogging> cool
[23:16] <newz2000> James thought that my statement about "8M being excessively low" was funny.