[10:33] <jbrefort> any chance to have abiword-2.6.0 in Hardy?
[10:34] <ogra_cmpc> jbrefort, i think there was a bug asking for an update
[10:35] <ogra_cmpc> look at launchpad
[10:35] <jbrefort> thx
[15:14] <cliebow> any one know a fix if system hangs at "starting system message bus?
[20:56] <Neo5967> !seen Gabona
[20:56] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about seen gabona - try searching on http://ubotu.ubuntu-nl.org/factoids.cgi
[22:36] <justme_> can anyone point me in the direction of some LTSP/edubuntu documentation on setting up an edubuntu server from scratch using 8.04?
[22:37] <ogra_cmpc> https://wiki.edubuntu.org/HardyClassroomServer
[22:38] <ogra_cmpc> (WIP)
[22:40] <justme_> bah, so I just burned a bunch of time by downloading & installing 8.04 server, and then trying to setup ltsp by installing the ltsp-server-standalone? :P
[22:40] <justme_> have to go download alternate now.. :/
[22:40] <justme_> I had also tryed F4 on the boot menu, but it only had "NORMAL" with the server instal
[22:41] <justme_> install* cd
[22:41] <ogra_cmpc> well, server was a bad idea indeed, you need a desktop installed to use ltsp
[22:41] <justme_> even the server side ?
[22:41] <justme_> or rather, you mean including the server side of the equation?
[22:41] <ogra_cmpc> only the server side :)
[22:42] <ogra_cmpc> your think clients only run a minimal OS, everything thats needed to make the HW work plus X and a login manager ...
[22:42] <ogra_cmpc> the display manager logs you in to a desktop session on the server
[22:43] <justme_> let me ask this: would be be better (is there an easy way..), that since I don't actually need edubuntu per say, I just need an LTSP server for application development, that going the 8.04-server version and adding the ltsp bits to it?
[22:43] <justme_> would *it be better
[22:43] <ogra_cmpc> do you need a desktop or only shells ?
[22:44] <justme_> I was trying to use the edubuntu setup since it sounded like a quick and easy way to get an LTSP setup and running out of the box (from the 7.10 CD's anyway)
[22:44] <justme_> gui's.. for such things as quanta
[22:44] <ogra_cmpc> right, that exact implemetation was moved to the alternate CD
[22:44] <ogra_cmpc> so you are not forced to use edubuntu
[22:45] <justme_> well, I don't mind using edubuntu.. its really just ltsp aimed @ education and includes some default applications, is it not?
[22:45] <justme_> some default educational applications
[22:46] <ogra_cmpc> well, with hardy its an educational addon cd
[22:46] <ogra_cmpc> the ltsp technology moved to ubuntu
[22:46] <ogra_cmpc> where it makes more sense
[22:46] <justme_> so they are moving LTSP to ubuntu for some reasons which include the benefit of having a "ubuntu ltsp" server for other projects available, instead of defaulting to an "ubuntu educational ltsp" from the get go
[22:47] <justme_> makes sense.. just sucks in terms of lack of (easily found?) documentation on the subject so far
[22:47] <ogra_cmpc> not all educational institutions want to use a desktop thats rather set up for 8-16yo
[22:48] <justme_> I wasted a bit of time earlier googling and found nothing, and finally decided to get onto IRC.. but not all people will get onto IRC, and I was trying to avoid it because generally I can find what I need on the web
[22:48] <justme_> thats also a good point... re: the setup for 8-16's
[22:48] <ogra_cmpc> ubuntu in education is more than that, universities want to use a standard ubuntu themed desktop for example ...
[22:49] <bart1105> good day!
[22:49] <LaserJock> justme_: well, we haven't even release 8.04 so the lack of documentaton isn't surprising
[22:49] <LaserJock> *released
[22:51] <lns> Does anyone know when/if OOo 2.4 will be released/backported for Gutsy?
[22:51] <justme_> considering it is 3 weeks from release, I think having documentation ready for early adopters is an added benefit, it also precludes the fact that more people can beta test
[22:52] <justme_> precludes = wrong word, but you get what I mean
[22:52] <justme_> no idea lns... one could always build from 8.04 sources?
[22:52] <LaserJock> justme_: well sure, but most of our testers already know how to install 8.04
[22:53] <LaserJock> we'll have documentation as soon as we can
[22:53] <justme_> "most of our testers" ... hehe
[22:53] <lns> justme_, I'm sure.. was just curious, I didn't want to jump to Hardy right off the bat.. i had really bad experiences doing that from Dapper -> Feisty
[22:53] <justme_> how does one expect new testers to come on board? :p
[22:54] <justme_> lns: I have high hopes for hardy, being an LTS release.. the same as dapper
[22:54] <LaserJock> justme_: not exactly sure, show up here, email edubuntu-devel, stuff like that
[22:54] <LaserJock> lns: Dapper->Feisty is not a supported upgrade
[22:54] <lns> justme_, i agree - but having 6 sites with ~200 users/ea, it would be baaad to try and jump right on the bandwagon without testing first ;)
[22:55] <lns> LaserJock, i know =) but there were things in feisty i really wanted
[22:55] <lns> and i was naive
[22:55] <LaserJock> Dapper -> Hardy will hopefully be smooth sailing ;-)
[22:55] <ogra_cmpc> justme_, ltsp in hardy has still a good bunch of bugs i plan to clean out on the weekend
[22:55] <justme_> lns: I wasn't implying you do jump without testing ;) there's no such thing as a bad plan to pre-test something
[22:56] <justme_> LaserJock: I think it is asking alot to go from a 2yr old platform to a bleeding edge platform without problems... (with an O/S)
[22:56] <lns> sooo..nobody knows about OOo 2.4 huh? =p
[22:56] <lns> i'll jump on #ubuntu
[22:56] <justme_> you just can't expect everything to work when many things are version dependent like custom coding that will break when you upgrade your mysql versions or apache versions, etc
[22:56] <LaserJock> lns: what is your question exactly?
[22:57] <justme_> he was wondering if OOO 2.4 will be backported to gutsy
[22:57] <LaserJock> justme_: yes, but that's why we do upgrade testing
[22:57] <lns> LaserJock, OOo 2.4 has the pixmap fix for LTSP - i wanted to know if it was in the todo list for gutsy to have it backported into the repos or for us to "just upgrade to hardy"..
[22:57] <LaserJock> well, but is he looking for a PPA or -backports or?
[22:57] <justme_> but no amount of upgrade testing can account for version differences of a program itself
[22:57] <LaserJock> I kinda doubt it'll be in official repos, it's a real beast
[22:58] <lns> oh ok
[22:58] <lns> thanks =)
[22:58] <LaserJock> justme_: of course not, I was just saying that Dapper -> Hardy upgrades are official supported
[22:58] <justme_> yea
[22:58] <lns> I don't plan on upgrading from Hardy at all until the next LTS =)
[22:58] <LaserJock> where as Dapper -> (anything but Edgy) is not
[22:58] <lns> of course the new 'candy' always tempts me
[23:10] <johnny> soo OOo 2.4 with pixmap fix is in hardy?
[23:10] <johnny> ogra_cmpc, any specific bugs i should know about?
[23:11] <johnny> ones that aren't a regression from gutsy
[23:26] <lns> johnny, check out http://www.openoffice.org/issues/show_bug.cgi?id=85321
[23:26] <ubotu> OpenOffice.org bug 85321 in gsl "OOo caches large pixmaps to X server, crashing the X server." [Defect,Closed: fixed]
[23:26] <lns> thaks ubotu =p
[23:26] <johnny> i'm asking if it's in hardy
[23:26] <lns> 2.4 is in hardy, yes afaik
[23:26] <johnny> the fixed version :)
[23:27] <lns> hopefully.. =) Haven't verified it myself but that's what the devs say
[23:27] <lns> now onto more important bugs..like why frozen-bubble crashes on thin clients =p