[10:33] any chance to have abiword-2.6.0 in Hardy? [10:34] jbrefort, i think there was a bug asking for an update [10:35] look at launchpad [10:35] thx === RichEd-1 is now known as RichEd === manu_ubu-away is now known as manu_ubu [15:14] any one know a fix if system hangs at "starting system message bus? [20:56] !seen Gabona [20:56] Sorry, I don't know anything about seen gabona - try searching on http://ubotu.ubuntu-nl.org/factoids.cgi === manu_ubu is now known as manu_ubu-away [22:36] can anyone point me in the direction of some LTSP/edubuntu documentation on setting up an edubuntu server from scratch using 8.04? [22:37] https://wiki.edubuntu.org/HardyClassroomServer [22:38] (WIP) [22:40] bah, so I just burned a bunch of time by downloading & installing 8.04 server, and then trying to setup ltsp by installing the ltsp-server-standalone? :P [22:40] have to go download alternate now.. :/ [22:40] I had also tryed F4 on the boot menu, but it only had "NORMAL" with the server instal [22:41] install* cd [22:41] well, server was a bad idea indeed, you need a desktop installed to use ltsp [22:41] even the server side ? [22:41] or rather, you mean including the server side of the equation? [22:41] only the server side :) [22:42] your think clients only run a minimal OS, everything thats needed to make the HW work plus X and a login manager ... [22:42] the display manager logs you in to a desktop session on the server [22:43] let me ask this: would be be better (is there an easy way..), that since I don't actually need edubuntu per say, I just need an LTSP server for application development, that going the 8.04-server version and adding the ltsp bits to it? [22:43] would *it be better [22:43] do you need a desktop or only shells ? [22:44] I was trying to use the edubuntu setup since it sounded like a quick and easy way to get an LTSP setup and running out of the box (from the 7.10 CD's anyway) [22:44] gui's.. for such things as quanta [22:44] right, that exact implemetation was moved to the alternate CD [22:44] so you are not forced to use edubuntu [22:45] well, I don't mind using edubuntu.. its really just ltsp aimed @ education and includes some default applications, is it not? [22:45] some default educational applications [22:46] well, with hardy its an educational addon cd [22:46] the ltsp technology moved to ubuntu [22:46] where it makes more sense [22:46] so they are moving LTSP to ubuntu for some reasons which include the benefit of having a "ubuntu ltsp" server for other projects available, instead of defaulting to an "ubuntu educational ltsp" from the get go [22:47] makes sense.. just sucks in terms of lack of (easily found?) documentation on the subject so far [22:47] not all educational institutions want to use a desktop thats rather set up for 8-16yo [22:48] I wasted a bit of time earlier googling and found nothing, and finally decided to get onto IRC.. but not all people will get onto IRC, and I was trying to avoid it because generally I can find what I need on the web [22:48] thats also a good point... re: the setup for 8-16's [22:48] ubuntu in education is more than that, universities want to use a standard ubuntu themed desktop for example ... [22:49] good day! [22:49] justme_: well, we haven't even release 8.04 so the lack of documentaton isn't surprising [22:49] *released [22:51] Does anyone know when/if OOo 2.4 will be released/backported for Gutsy? [22:51] considering it is 3 weeks from release, I think having documentation ready for early adopters is an added benefit, it also precludes the fact that more people can beta test [22:52] precludes = wrong word, but you get what I mean [22:52] no idea lns... one could always build from 8.04 sources? [22:52] justme_: well sure, but most of our testers already know how to install 8.04 [22:53] we'll have documentation as soon as we can [22:53] "most of our testers" ... hehe [22:53] justme_, I'm sure.. was just curious, I didn't want to jump to Hardy right off the bat.. i had really bad experiences doing that from Dapper -> Feisty [22:53] how does one expect new testers to come on board? :p [22:54] lns: I have high hopes for hardy, being an LTS release.. the same as dapper [22:54] justme_: not exactly sure, show up here, email edubuntu-devel, stuff like that [22:54] lns: Dapper->Feisty is not a supported upgrade [22:54] justme_, i agree - but having 6 sites with ~200 users/ea, it would be baaad to try and jump right on the bandwagon without testing first ;) [22:55] LaserJock, i know =) but there were things in feisty i really wanted [22:55] and i was naive [22:55] Dapper -> Hardy will hopefully be smooth sailing ;-) [22:55] justme_, ltsp in hardy has still a good bunch of bugs i plan to clean out on the weekend [22:55] lns: I wasn't implying you do jump without testing ;) there's no such thing as a bad plan to pre-test something [22:56] LaserJock: I think it is asking alot to go from a 2yr old platform to a bleeding edge platform without problems... (with an O/S) [22:56] sooo..nobody knows about OOo 2.4 huh? =p [22:56] i'll jump on #ubuntu [22:56] you just can't expect everything to work when many things are version dependent like custom coding that will break when you upgrade your mysql versions or apache versions, etc [22:56] lns: what is your question exactly? [22:57] he was wondering if OOO 2.4 will be backported to gutsy [22:57] justme_: yes, but that's why we do upgrade testing [22:57] LaserJock, OOo 2.4 has the pixmap fix for LTSP - i wanted to know if it was in the todo list for gutsy to have it backported into the repos or for us to "just upgrade to hardy".. [22:57] well, but is he looking for a PPA or -backports or? [22:57] but no amount of upgrade testing can account for version differences of a program itself [22:57] I kinda doubt it'll be in official repos, it's a real beast [22:58] oh ok [22:58] thanks =) [22:58] justme_: of course not, I was just saying that Dapper -> Hardy upgrades are official supported [22:58] yea [22:58] I don't plan on upgrading from Hardy at all until the next LTS =) [22:58] where as Dapper -> (anything but Edgy) is not [22:58] of course the new 'candy' always tempts me [23:10] soo OOo 2.4 with pixmap fix is in hardy? [23:10] ogra_cmpc, any specific bugs i should know about? [23:11] ones that aren't a regression from gutsy [23:26] johnny, check out http://www.openoffice.org/issues/show_bug.cgi?id=85321 [23:26] OpenOffice.org bug 85321 in gsl "OOo caches large pixmaps to X server, crashing the X server." [Defect,Closed: fixed] [23:26] thaks ubotu =p [23:26] i'm asking if it's in hardy [23:26] 2.4 is in hardy, yes afaik [23:26] the fixed version :) [23:27] hopefully.. =) Haven't verified it myself but that's what the devs say [23:27] now onto more important bugs..like why frozen-bubble crashes on thin clients =p