[00:01] <dwidmann> Darkside: does it still murder your cpu if you kill it an reopen it?
[00:01] <Darkside> lemme check
[00:02] <Darkside> i just quit the frontend
[00:02] <Darkside> its the backend thats going crazy
[00:03] <Darkside> how can i stop and restart that?
[00:04] <dwidmann> Umm, one sec, let me see
[00:08] <photon_> I installed Open Office 2.4 from the official website (deb files). Now Adept Updater is telling me to "upgrade" to the 2.3 version available in the repository. Can I exclude Open Office from upgrades?
[00:10] <NickPresta> Does anyone know if there was any change to configuration or compile-time changes to the Firefox 2.0.0.13 source? Since the last update, Firefox has really slowed down when connecting to multiple sites (or a single site with multiple images). I'm trying to determine if this is something on my end or not..
[00:27] <matt__> anyone here want to explain to me how to use/setup vncveiwer/server?
[00:40]  * artheart sips a coffee
[00:40] <artheart> Hmm
[00:42] <eddieftw> ah makes more sense
[00:42] <eddieftw> i was like 'who is this artheart person and why are they sipping coffee'?
[00:42] <genii> hehe
[00:43] <genii> It's the default connect name on this box from one of my workplaces
[00:43] <eddieftw> i see
[00:44] <maduser> hey genii
[00:44] <genii> maduser: Heya
[00:44]  * genii makes a new pot of coffee
[00:44] <eddieftw> the internet is too quiet for some reason today
[00:44] <maduser> got the pics of that office?
[00:45] <maduser> its never quite
[00:45] <genii> maduser: Damn, forgot
[00:45] <genii> maduser: I have to go back there later though, check in with me in about ... <looks at clock> 1.5 hours
[00:50] <kevin_> !ghost
[00:50] <ubotu> On IRC, if you own a nick that is currently being used, you can make it quit by typing: /msg nickserv GHOST <username> <password>
[00:52] <eddieftw> if only that was a ghostface killah song, i would be psyched
[00:52] <praktora> I am not able to connect to a wireless nework using ubuntu 7.10 . I am using pavilion Dv9000 with a broadcom 802.11g/b wireless. i read over 100 topics in the internet and nothing can find my a solution. Can anyone please help me ?
[00:53] <eddieftw> praktora: what is the problem?
[00:53]  * genii slides Dr_willis a coffee
[00:53] <eddieftw> can you connect via the command line?
[00:57] <praktora> i am new at linux . i would like to know the right driver to install
[00:57] <praktora> and how to install it
[00:58] <vistalite> Hello, Jucato
[00:58] <BluesKaj> !Broadcom | praktora
[00:58] <ubotu> praktora: Help with Broadcom bcm43xx can be found at https://wiki.ubuntu.com/WifiDocs/Driver/Broadcom43xx
[00:58] <vistalite> please i need some help i want to try out KDE4 can i install KDE and use it as a separate session next to KDE 3.5 >
[00:58] <vistalite> ??
[00:59] <SlimeyPete> vistalite: yes
[00:59] <SlimeyPete> !kde4
[00:59] <ubotu> KDE 4.0.2 is the latest major release of the K Desktop Environment. KDE 4.0.2 packages can be found at http://kubuntu.org/announcements/kde-4.0.2.php - More information can be found at http://www.kde.org/announcements/announce-4.0.2.php - Support in #kubuntu-kde4
[00:59] <vistalite> ok ty
[00:59] <vistalite> so how do i install it
[00:59] <genii> Visit the links and read them
[00:59] <vistalite> ok
[00:59] <SlimeyPete> just install the packages you can find at the above URL
[00:59] <SlimeyPete> they will install alongside kde3, by default
[00:59] <Dr_willis> Or wait for the next kubuntu release and install the kde4 version. :)
[00:59] <SlimeyPete> you don't have to do anything special in order to keep your kde3 installation
[00:59] <Dr_willis> it may be a better idea to test kde4 on a live cd.
[01:00] <vistalite> no
[01:00] <vistalite> i hate live cds
[01:00] <vistalite> live cds are slow
[01:00] <Dr_willis> if you dont LIKE kde4.. well... its worth the wait.
[01:00] <Dr_willis> and i dont find the live cd's slow at all.
[01:00] <Dr_willis> kde4 can be a bother to uninstall later.
[01:01] <vistalite> the fact that its prone for semantical debate makes live cds unworthy to me
[01:01] <Dr_willis> vistalite,  whatever... they are still darn handy tools.. no idea what you are going on about with the 'debate' stuff...
[01:02] <Dr_willis> the easiest way to test drive kde4 is with a live cd.
[01:02] <Daisuke_Ido> vistalite, if you hate them so much, just install.  either way, stop whining about it :)
[01:02] <Dr_willis> I see perhaps a dozen people a month in here that install kde4, then a day later they want to remove it.. then that causes problems.
[01:02] <Dhraakellian> will OO.o 2.4 be backported to Gutsy?
[01:03] <genii> Probably not
[01:03] <vistalite> Dr_willis:  i am using Linux via Wubi its maybe less than 40 minutes for me to replace my backup root.disk and have the system backup and also have it in a state prior to kde4 installs
[01:04] <Dr_willis> You are using wubi? you are brave..
[01:04] <Dr_willis> and lucky that it works. :)
[01:04] <Dhraakellian> I've been having some problems with oowriter
[01:04] <Dr_willis> I wonder if theres going to be an official #Ubuntu-Wubi channel or not.
[01:04] <vistalite> Dr_willis:  no luck involved pure skills
[01:05] <Daisuke_Ido> modest, too...
[01:05] <Dr_willis> vistalite,  you are nominated to hang in  the Wubi channel then. I cant find anyone else that even wants to touch it.
[01:05] <vistalite> lol
[01:05] <vistalite> Dr_willis:  i had no choice i couldnt make another partition on my system
[01:05] <Dhraakellian> what is wubi?
[01:05] <vistalite> wubi = barbapapa linux
[01:06] <Dr_willis> Dhraakellian,  a 4 letter word. :) Heh..  It may get to be a very very very very common 'wubi aint working' faq/problem in this channel soon with the next release.
[01:06] <Dr_willis> !wubi
[01:06] <ubotu> wubi advice here: http://ubuntuforums.org/forumdisplay.php?f=234  and  http://wubi.org  [file wubi bugs here:  https://launchpad.net/wubi/+filebug ] (it will be included in hardy 8.04 currently in beta)
[01:06] <Dr_willis> It lets you install linux to a 'file' under windows. and boot it.
[01:06] <Daisuke_Ido> wubi is quite possibly the worst idea since greedo shooting first.
[01:06] <Dhraakellian> ah
[01:06] <Dhraakellian> I see.
[01:07] <vistalite> no Wubi is great
[01:07] <Dr_willis> I rember the linux on 'dos filesystem' years ago.
[01:07] <genii> Daisuke_Ido: I entirely agree and am in disappointment it will be officially supported
[01:07] <vistalite> i love Wubi D:
[01:07] <vistalite> Daisuke_Ido: you are wrong
[01:07] <Dr_willis> given the # of wubi problems i see in here a week...  i dont think so. :)
[01:08] <vistalite> i will exclame your wrongness with a mighty set of symbols Daisuke_Ido ...YOU R WRONG!!!!!!!!!!!
[01:08] <vistalite> :)
[01:08]  * Dr_willis pokes vistalite  in the wubi
[01:08] <Daisuke_Ido> vistalite, the "system" it installs is slow, your linux filesystem is (being on a windows partition) prone to fragmentation, further slowing things down...
[01:08] <Jucato> ahem...
[01:09] <Daisuke_Ido> the inclusion of Wubi will make hardy (for me) forever known as the april fools' release...
[01:09] <vistalite> Daisuke_Ido:  not really my linux install is on a separate filesystem which i formatted to be used as filesystem for linux but formatted as ntfs by windows
[01:10] <Daisuke_Ido> i'm going to try to wrap my head around that
[01:10] <Daisuke_Ido> you created another partition
[01:10] <vistalite> Daisuke_Ido:  thanks to Wubi i dared to try linux again
[01:10] <vistalite> i created another partition on a disk without shit installed on it
[01:10] <genii> Does wubi use some loadlin scheme?
[01:11] <Daisuke_Ido> to contain a loopback disk image...  when you could have just installed linux TO that partition
[01:11] <vistalite> genii:  yes i know so..
[01:11]  * Dr_willis thinks the term filesystem got used incorrectly/too many times.. :)
[01:11] <vistalite> because Wubi fails to work when windows wasnt closed down correctly
[01:11] <vistalite> it will prompt busybox
[01:11] <vistalite> in that case
[01:11] <Daisuke_Ido> that's a pretty big failure
[01:11] <vistalite> no its not
[01:11] <vistalite> its on windows
[01:11] <Dr_willis> windows crashing will kill linux... :)
[01:11] <vistalite> it cant access the filesystem
[01:11] <Daisuke_Ido> yeah, THAT's the failure
[01:12] <Daisuke_Ido> it's on windows
[01:12] <vistalite> when windows wasnt closed down properly
[01:12] <Daisuke_Ido> and by definition less than reliable
[01:12] <vistalite> yes it is
[01:12] <vistalite> :/
[01:12] <vistalite> !ot | Daisuke_Ido
[01:12] <ubotu> Daisuke_Ido: #kubuntu is the official Kubuntu support channel, for all Kubuntu-related support questions. Please use #kubuntu-offtopic for general chatter. Thanks!
[01:12] <Dr_willis> I belive this can be the #1 reson to not use wubi.
[01:12] <vistalite> 1-0 D:
[01:13] <Daisuke_Ido> i make a point and you call in the offtopic
[01:13]  * Daisuke_Ido washes his hands of this one
[01:13] <Dr_willis> Wubi is off topic? since when?
[01:13] <vistalite> lol
[01:13] <stdin> arguing over who is offtopic and who isn't is... offtopic :)
[01:13] <Azzco> one point to stdin
[01:14] <Dr_willis> Shall we start pointing people to #ubuntu-wubi now?
[01:14] <Daisuke_Ido> please?
[01:14] <genii> I can tell we're going to have quite a few of these wubi/anit wubi discussions in the coming months. Like the editor wars
[01:14] <genii> *anti
[01:14] <LjL> !wubi
[01:14] <ubotu> wubi advice here: http://ubuntuforums.org/forumdisplay.php?f=234  and  http://wubi.org  [file wubi bugs here:  https://launchpad.net/wubi/+filebug ] (it will be included in hardy 8.04 currently in beta)
[01:15] <Dr_willis> Poor wubi - doesnet even have an official wiki page yet.. Just a forum thread and a bug report...
[01:15] <Dr_willis> :)
[01:15] <Azzco> Does anyone know if the alternate CD install is coverd in the usb disk section of the wiki?
[01:16] <Daisuke_Ido> Bug #2: Wubi exists.
[01:16] <Dr_willis> Azzco,  ive seen info on 'pendrivelinux.com' web site - on settingup usb sticks to boot identically to the live-cd.  :)
[01:16] <vistalite> Wubi beats a live cd
[01:16] <Dr_willis> Azzco,  i also got the gOS ubuntu variant isntalled to my thumbdrive  with their docs
[01:16] <Azzco> Yeah but I haven't been able to boot a liveCD graphicly for several releases =/
[01:16] <Dr_willis> vistalite,  you are wrong.. so phhhhhhhhhht.
[01:16] <vistalite> hehe
[01:17] <Dr_willis> I have sevaral machines that only use a live cd.  Let the kids try to get them goofed up!
[01:17] <Dr_willis> kde news..  KDE 4.0.3 Released With Polishing! yes. more polish! how about more features!
[01:18] <Jucato> !pl | Dr_willis
[01:18] <ubotu> Dr_willis: Mozesz uzyskac pomoc w jezyku polskim na #ubuntu-pl
[01:18] <Jucato> oops...
[01:18] <Jucato> not that kind of polish...
[01:19] <Azzco> lol
[01:19] <Dr_willis> :)
[01:21] <vistalite> i need an n64 emulator :( to test my old games still working is that allowed?
[01:22] <vistalite> n64 emulator for kubuntu
[01:22] <Azzco> mupen64, might do the trick ;)
[01:23] <Dr_willis> They exist.
[01:23] <vistalite> ty :)
[01:23] <Dr_willis> I tend to stick with the other emulators. Not seen many N64 games i wanted to play.
[01:23] <vistalite> legend of zelda ocarina of time
[01:23] <vistalite> best game ever made
[01:23] <Dr_willis> I do have a usb-gamepad adaptor that lets me play with a n64 controller.
[01:24] <vistalite> where did you buy it Dr_willis?
[01:24] <Dr_willis> I thinki have the remake of that for the Gamecube. came with my other zelda game.
[01:24] <Azzco> I just compiled zsnes1.42, just for the netplay feature, it was kind of annoying to compile though =/
[01:24] <Dr_willis> got the adaptor at walmart for like $10
[01:24] <vistalite> yeah
[01:24] <vistalite> i want to play smash bros 64 online
[01:24] <_stijn_> ha walmart :p reminds me of southpark
[01:24] <vistalite> _stijn_: you remind me of the netherlands
[01:24] <Dr_willis> I find the whole 'zelda in 3d' sort of distracts me from the game. I perfer the good old 2d Gameboy zeldas.
[01:25] <_stijn_> :o
[01:25] <_stijn_> netherlands ~_~ i'm from belgium
[01:25] <vistalite> lol
[01:25] <vistalite> Jan Hoet is your keizer :)
[01:26] <_stijn_> Mister Hoet is my God in art
[01:26] <Jucato> !offtopic
[01:26] <ubotu> #kubuntu is the official Kubuntu support channel, for all Kubuntu-related support questions. Please use #kubuntu-offtopic for general chatter. Thanks!
[01:27] <morphir> is kubuntu hardy using pulseaudio?
[01:27] <Jucato> no
[01:27] <morphir> phonon?
[01:27] <Jucato> #ubuntu+1 for Hardy questions
[01:27] <Jucato> only if KDE 4
[01:28] <morphir> k
[01:28] <morphir> thanks
[01:29] <vistalite> i'm not so happy with the linux filemanagers
[01:30] <Dr_willis> try the other ones.. theres about a dozen+ to choose from.
[01:30] <vistalite> which ones beside dolphin konqueror and nautilus are any good?
[01:30] <Dr_willis> proberly close to 2 dozen now a days.
[01:30] <Dr_willis> depends on your needs.
[01:30] <Dr_willis> I tend to use 'mc' :)
[01:31] <vistalite> mcx
[01:31] <vistalite> mc
[01:31] <vistalite> never heard of it
[01:31] <Dr_willis> time to learn it. Its a must have tool. comes in handy
[01:31] <Dr_willis> Plus its very small, works well over ssh/console.
[01:31] <Dr_willis> !info mc
[01:31] <ubotu> Package mc does not exist in gutsy
[01:31] <Dr_willis> Hmm i think the bot is broke,
[01:31] <Dr_willis> !info xterm
[01:31] <ubotu> Package xterm does not exist in gutsy
[01:32] <stdin> the !info function is broken atm
[01:32] <Dr_willis> ok. :)
[01:32] <vistalite> :)
[01:32] <Dr_willis> Poor bot.. has been so sick lately
[01:33] <stdin> also !find is broken, so you're stuck with apt-cache and packages.ubuntu.com
[01:34] <vistalite> hmz i cant find mc via adept_installer
[01:34] <stdin> it's in universe, look in adept manager
[01:36] <vistalite> k ty
[01:40] <Dr_willis> search for 'file manager' in the package manager. :)
[01:40] <Dr_willis> Theres sevral other 2 pane file managers, then thers the ones for xfce, then thers some others also out.
[01:40] <Dr_willis> well bbl...
[01:41] <kristian_> Hello. I'm quite a newbie, hoping someone might help with a question.
[01:41] <Azzco> What's wrong with konqueror and split view?
[01:41] <Azzco> !ask
[01:41] <ubotu> Please don't ask to ask a question, ask the question (all on ONE line, so others can read and follow it easily). If anyone knows the answer they will most likely answer. :-)
[01:42] <kristian_> How can I install a package with an older version than the one already installed?? :)
[01:42] <stdin> sudo apt-get install package=version
[01:42] <kristian_> I need to install libasound2_1.0.13-2_i386 since i suspect libasound2_1.0.14-2_i386 has a bug in regard to my usb soundcard
[01:43] <kristian_> How do I know what exact string to put instead of "version"?
[01:43] <stdin> the _ separates it, so you'd need sudo apt-get install libasound2=1.0.13-2
[01:43] <kristian_> Thank you very much, will try now.
[01:44] <kristian_> Version '1.0.13-2' for 'libasound2' was not found - this is the name of my downloaded deb-package, though
[01:45] <kristian_> I suppose it is just not in the repository, but do you know some way to install a deb-package that is an older version?
[01:45] <vistalite> i am using dolphin for KDE4 in KDE3.5 now is that going to break my system?
[01:45] <stdin> if you want to manually install the .deb use "sudo dpkg -i --force-downgrade libasound2_1.0.13-2_i386.deb"
[01:46] <kristian_> That seems to be exactly what I need...
[01:48] <Azzco> vistalite: no but you're loading 2 sets of librarys so it might slow down a bit
[01:48] <kristian_> Wow, that went really fast. Now I just need to restart to test things. My hopes aren't too high, though, this is the built in sound card of my Novation X-Station synth, which should be supported according to the lib-specs...
[01:48] <kristian_> Thanks again!
[01:48] <vistalite> ok
[01:49] <vistalite> can i install the KDE4 widgets also on KDE 3.5?
[01:49] <gregory> when the upgrade to hardy is official released, will it possible to upgrade and keep kde 3.5?
[01:50] <Dr_willis> kde4 is not forced on you. :) from what i hear
[01:50] <Dr_willis> theres is a kubuntu with kde4 and one without.
[01:50] <Dr_willis> Even the variants have variants!
[01:50] <stdin> an upgrade will only upgrade kde3, if you want kde4 you have to install the kubuntu-desktop-kde4 package or install fresh
[01:50] <gregory> ok, good.  thanks
[01:51] <Dr_willis> using kde4 right now.. its missing some 'things' that i very much.. well.. err miss. :)
[01:51] <Dhraakellian> so it's just like the difference between Kubuntu and Ubuntu in that respect?
[01:51]  * Dhraakellian is holding out for 4.1
[01:52] <Dr_willis> i did notice onthis test box last week that a lot of kde3 stuff got 'removed'  (replaced?) by some of the kde4 versions or so it seemed.
[01:52] <Azzco> Yeah kde4 feels a bit incomplete
[01:52] <gregory> dr_willis: exactly, that's why i want to keep 3.5 until kde4 matures quite a bit
[01:52] <Jucato> because it is
[01:52] <Dr_willis> I just want the Clock in the panel to show 12 hr format! :)
[01:53] <Azzco> I wish that the icons in the taskbar didn't have to be so big
[01:54] <Dr_willis> I like them big.. :) i just wish the ones i added, where moveable.. :)
[01:55] <NickPresta> They aren't 'big'. They are proportionate to the taskbar height.
[01:55] <Dr_willis> !ohmy
[01:55] <ubotu> Please watch your language and topic to help keep this channel family friendly.
[01:55] <Dr_willis> :)
[01:55] <NickPresta> ;)
[02:08] <vistalite> so can i have a dragable desktop in kubuntu?
[02:09] <Dhraakellian> dragable desktop?
[02:19] <vistalite> http://uk.youtube.com/watch?v=qSA-q1qniMY <-- dragable desktop
[02:20] <NickPresta> vistalite, there are virtual desktops, which serve the same purpose (minus the eye candy). You can install Compiz-Fusion, which provides a 'pretty' way to switch between said desktops.
[02:20] <vistalite> i know
[02:20] <vistalite> but its not the same :(
[02:21] <NickPresta> vistalite, what makes draggable desktops unique?
[02:21] <Jucato> basically draggable desktops are just a fancy way to 1. switch between desktops (already possible) and 2. rearrange virtual desktops (not yet)
[02:21] <NickPresta> ah, I see. Jucato what do you mean 'rearrange' virtual desktops?
[02:21] <vistalite> NickPresta:  its special because windows osx and GNU/linux cant do it only amiga os can do it
[02:22] <Jucato> NickPresta: just how I interpret that Amiga feature. for example, VD 1 has all your PIM, VD 2 has your browser, VD 3 has your office suite, VD 4 has your games... then you'd want to put VD 4 in between VD 1 and 2, etc.
[02:23] <Jucato> that works better if you named the VD's
[02:23] <Jucato> let me finish the vid and refresh my memory
[02:24] <NickPresta> Jucato, ah, I understand. I suppose you could achieve a similar effect but you would have to manually move the applications from virtual desktop to virtual desktop (and manually remember which desktop is which)
[02:24] <Jucato> (it's taking a long tie to buffer)
[02:24] <Jucato> NickPresta: yeah, the point is you'd have to move the *apps* from one VD to another. not the VD (with the apps) themselves... I think :)
[02:24] <Jucato> like I said.. need to finish the vid first :P
[02:24]  * Jucato hasn't seen the vid in a loong time
[02:25] <NickPresta> heh. Any idea if draggable VDs is planned for KDE?
[02:25] <vistalite> A unique feature of Workbench is multiple screens. These are conceptually similar to X Window System virtual desktops or workspaces, but are generated dynamically by application programs as necessary. Each screen can have a different resolution and colour depth. A gadget in the top-right corner of the screen allows screens to be cycled — as the OS stores all screens in memory simultaneously, redrawing is instantaneous. Screens can
[02:25] <vistalite> also be dragged up and down by their title bars.
[02:26] <vistalite> see this guy that wrote it is a genius
[02:26] <vistalite> nobody even can mimic it today
[02:26] <Jucato> btw. in KDE 4 and Compiz, there's a plugin/feature that lets you see all virtual desktops so you can drag apps around
[02:26] <vistalite> thats cool
[02:26] <vistalite> like spaces
[02:27] <Jucato> er... OS X Spaces got the idea from Linux :)
[02:27] <Jucato> or *nix
[02:27] <Jucato> *nix has had that for years. OS X only got that in Leopard :)
[02:27] <osx> what
[02:28] <vistalite> ideas are open and shared willingly or unwillingly but implementation varies
[02:28] <vistalite> and apple again did a good job there
[02:28] <Jucato> of copying? yeah
[02:28] <Jucato> :P
[02:29] <Jucato> anyway.. the discussion is a bit offtopic. to answer your original question: no, there isn't anything exactly like Intuition
[02:29] <Jucato> but who knows? with compositing and stuff it might be possible very soon
[02:29] <vistalite> :)
[02:29] <Jucato> except for each screen having different resoluctions
[02:30] <vistalite> aw :(
[02:30] <Jucato> *maybe*
[02:30]  * Jucato hasn't been keeping up with X and compositing development
[02:30] <vistalite> yeahs thats cool you can actually play a game in one screen of amiga os and do word processing in the next
[02:31]  * ryanakca wishes there was an X version of screen
[02:31] <Jucato> ryanakca: there isn't?
[02:31] <NickPresta> ryanakca, what's wrong with GNU Screen?
[02:31] <Jucato> NickPresta: can GNU screen do GUI? :)
[02:32] <NickPresta> Jucato, I always assumed if you were using screen, GUI wasn't a big deal. My mistake :)
[02:32] <ryanakca> NickPresta: GNU screen can't handle X apps... Ctrl-A-D doesn't disconnect your X apps ;)
[02:32] <ryanakca> lol
[02:32] <ktownhero> hola peeps
[02:33] <Dr_willis> i just use the exit command.. :)
[02:33] <Dr_willis> or 'nohup' :) old-skool
[02:33] <Jucato> ryanakca: technically isn't X built on a server-client architecture that would make that possible? after all we have remote X sessions, remote desktops, etc
[02:33] <NickPresta> I always preferred Rat Poison to screen anyways...
[02:33] <Dr_willis> twin :) is an amuseing variant.. but its gotten less usefull for me over the years
[02:34] <haker> anyone know php?
[02:34] <_stijn_> yes
[02:34] <haker> how do i connect to a site?
[02:34] <haker> by php
[02:35] <haker> $socket = fsockopen("adriandahacker.110mb.com/home/index.htm",80);
[02:35] <ryanakca> Jucato: dtach looks like it might be what I want
[02:35] <haker> wont work :(
[02:35] <ryanakca> haker: #php please
[02:35] <haker> ryanakca: no help there >.>
[02:35] <ryanakca> haker: sorry, ##php
[02:35] <NickPresta> haker, off-topic, but you have to have fopen_url_wrappers open, and HTTP wrappers enabled.
[02:35] <haker> ##php is not helping =|
[02:36] <Jucato> doesn't mean this would be the correct place to ask :)
[02:36] <ryanakca> haker: be patient? Ask again in a while, maybe someone who knows the answer will be around?
[02:36] <NickPresta> haker, /msg me and I can briefly help you.
[02:36] <_stijn_> it's 3AM :p
[02:36] <_stijn_> some geeks are sleeping
[02:37] <vistalite> i cant sleep
[02:37] <_stijn_> me neither
[02:37] <vistalite> i need more snacks
[02:37] <vistalite> in my tummy D:
[02:37] <ryanakca> stdin: and 11AM in other parts of the world :D (21:37 here...)
[02:37] <_stijn_> :P
[02:37] <vistalite> think i will make my pizza now
[02:37] <_stijn_> lol
[02:37] <stdin> ryanakca: wrong stdin
[02:37] <vistalite> nice american pizza D:
[02:37] <Jucato> ryanakca: wrong st*
[02:37] <Jucato> :)
[02:37] <_stijn_> vistalite: bastard
[02:37] <vistalite> with spicy sausages
[02:38] <_stijn_> now I have hungry to
[02:38] <vistalite> :)
[02:38] <_stijn_> but no pizza in the house
[02:38] <ryanakca> stdin: lol :P
[02:39] <Jucato> language please, even in jest/jokes
[02:40] <epimeth> anybody using desktop effects?
[02:40] <_stijn_> nope
[02:42] <ryanakca> epimeth: just ask your question ;)
[02:49] <gabriel> 7list
[02:51] <vistalite> wow
[02:51] <vistalite> back on windows
[02:51] <vistalite> D:
[02:52] <vistalite> i need to play a game
[02:52] <vistalite> my cpu is 59 celcius D:
[02:53] <vistalite> Oops
[02:53] <vistalite> thats hot
[02:53] <vistalite> case temperature is 36 Celcius
[02:54] <vistalite> lol
[02:54] <nosrednaekim> thats pretty hot (the cpu temp)
[02:54] <metbsd> zzzzz im downloading dvd of kubuntu
[02:54] <metbsd> i hope it's worth it
[02:54] <kristian_> Hi. Does anyone know stuff about ALSA?
[02:54] <vistalite> yeah
[02:54] <vistalite> cpu temp
[02:55] <vistalite> think i have dust
[02:55] <vistalite> :(
[02:55] <vistalite> it shut down 2x when i played with compiz fusion windows decoration :/
[02:55] <nosrednaekim> vistalite: yeah.. better blow off the dust
[02:56] <nosrednaekim> kristian_: depends... what is your problem?
[02:56] <kristian_> The version of ALSA (1.0.14) that comes with gutsy has a lot of problems (with my hardware at least). I know I'm not the only one experiences this. Does anyone know if there it is possible to install the version 1.0.16 without breaking KDE?
[02:56] <bobleny> I have a really stupid question: How do I force a mount?
[02:56] <nosrednaekim> kristian_: yeah.... thats perfectly fine
[02:57] <nosrednaekim> bobleny: "sudo mount /dev/device /mnt"
[02:57] <bobleny> But that doesn't force it?
[02:57] <kristian_> I have installed version 1.0.13 which actually solved a lot of problems, but then a lot of dependencies weren't met, and now that I just tried installing something completely different, it removed everything connected to ALSA...
[02:57] <nosrednaekim> what error is it giving you?
[02:58] <kristian_> ... which ment all of my programs and the entire KDE...
[02:58] <nosrednaekim> kristian_: thats fine
[02:58] <nosrednaekim> oh0.o
[02:58] <kristian_> Yeah...
[02:58] <kristian_> But it's okay, I just installed it... again ;)
[02:58] <bobleny> Volume is scheduled for check.
[02:58] <bobleny> Please boot into Windows TWICE, or use the 'force' mount option.
[02:58] <nosrednaekim> bobleny: try "-f " in there thene
[02:58] <kristian_> I think it's probably too late........
[02:58] <nosrednaekim> kristian_: do you have an HDAIntel chipset? a 81018 or whatever?
[02:59] <kristian_> But I'll tell you my problem in short, maybe you will be able to judge what kind of upgrade might help me.
[02:59] <kristian_> Yes, I do. I also have an external usb sound interface.
[03:00] <nosrednaekim> kristian_: ok.
[03:00] <kristian_> The external sound card doesn't have too great support in version 1.0.14. Mp3s makes Amarok crash (if I select the external card as default device), and aRts crashes all the time too. KNotify doesn't work... and so on.
[03:01] <kristian_> I've narrowed it down to the ALSA library (libasound2), but it seems that *everything* needs that version "14".
[03:02] <nosrednaekim> kristian_: you *could* just upgrade to hardy which should fi most sound problems
[03:02] <kristian_> If I want to install a newer version, it tells me, that the dependencies of that newer version isn't met. It seems to depend on some pretty basic libraries, and I don't know if I might be able to just upgrade them too...
[03:02] <nosrednaekim> but don't do that today since there seems to be problems with the hardy kernel modules ATM
[03:02] <kristian_> ... Probably they have other dependencies and so on.
[03:03] <nosrednaekim> !intelhda | kristian_ this might have some useful info if you haven't already seen it
[03:03] <kristian_> You have a point, but it appears that Hardy has the same version of ALSA.
[03:03] <ubotu> kristian_ this might have some useful info if you haven't already seen it: For fixing your Intel HDA sound this page has useful information https://help.ubuntu.com/community/HdaIntelSoundHowto
[03:03] <nosrednaekim> kristian_: I think its 1.0.16
[03:03] <kristian_> Oh, okay, I think where I read it was in some pre-release discussion of sorts....
[03:04] <kristian_> Oh, the page tells me to upgrade my alsa-driver by recompiling (part?) of my kernel??
[03:05] <nosrednaekim> yes
[03:05] <nosrednaekim> if thats the right method for your grapics card
[03:05] <kristian_> That's ... interesting. I've never tried that before. BUT the exact same method was pointed out elsewhere, so I might give it a try. Is it ... hard?
[03:06] <kristian_> (sound card)
[03:06] <nosrednaekim> sound card yes...haha...long day :)
[03:06] <kristian_> I mean, "compiling" and "kernel" - sounds drastic. Not that I don't need to do a complete reinstall anyway.
[03:06] <kristian_> No I really, really appreciate your help :)
[03:06] <nosrednaekim> give it a shot.... the worst you can do is learn :)
[03:08] <kristian_> That's true. But what would you say are my chances of success? In other words, is it likely that I a lot of stuff will go wrong during for example the "./configure"-phase?
[03:09] <nosrednaekim> its possible.... but in that stage you really can't break anything
[03:09] <kristian_> Or is this - in other words - a trivial matter?
[03:09] <nosrednaekim> if you follow the directions, it should Just Work
[03:09] <nosrednaekim> I've heard of second-day users doing this, so it shouldn't be too hard
[03:09] <kristian_> Great. Thanks so much. Back to doing a from-the-top with my live-dvd... *sigh*
[03:09] <kristian_> :) :)
[03:10] <nosrednaekim> yeah... if you have to do a reinstall, do it with hardy
[03:10] <kristian_> Oh, would you say it's that stable?
[03:11] <nosrednaekim> the release candidate is coming out in a day or so... I think.
[03:11] <nosrednaekim> so it should be pretty stable
[03:11] <nosrednaekim> tho, as I said, they are having kernel isues right now, but that should be sorted out in a day or so
[03:13] <kristian_> Cool. Would you choose KDE 3.4 or 4? I tried installing 4 on gutsy and I didn't think it worked so well. But then I suspected, that it wasn't "incorporated" in a sufficiently deep manner or something like that. You know, maybe I didn't install all the *other* things that are supposed to go with it - or something like that?
[03:13] <kristian_> (That's 3.5...)
[03:13] <genii> kristian_: kde4 is purposely minimalistic
[03:13] <dwidmann> genii: why?
[03:14] <genii> dwidmann: It's just the new design philosophy
[03:14] <nosrednaekim> kristian_: kde4 is getting better, but I would still go kde3 and ass kde4 if you want to try it
[03:14] <kristian_> Yeah, but when I made my kicker slimmer and I couldn't change the font size of the clock, I kinda thought...
[03:14] <nosrednaekim> *add
[03:14] <kristian_> ... that wasn't too cool...
[03:15] <dwidmann> genii: I hope you're wrong ... or I'm going to have to look for someone to kick in the balls >.<
[03:15] <epimeth> I set up desktop effects *just* the way I like it... then I restarted and lost all of my settings :-(
[03:15] <epimeth> how do I save them?
[03:15] <kristian_> (I feel with you epimeth...)
[03:15] <genii> dwidmann: Go harass em in #kubuntu-devel or #kubuntu-kde4 ;)
[03:15] <epimeth> lol
[03:16] <dwidmann> genii: somehow I feel that won't get me very far ... but for example .... take a look at gwenview, enough to make me cry.
[03:16]  * epimeth thanks kristian_
[03:16]  * _stijn_ sleep
[03:16] <BluesKaj> been fooling some with kde 4.03 , starting to understand some of it but I get feeling it's purposly quite different altho i suspect it'll take more getting used to, than 3.x
[03:16] <epimeth> kristian_: do you know how to save?
[03:16] <kristian_> I suppose. I had expected *prettier*, but I think I like 3.5 better...
[03:17] <nosrednaekim> .0.3 is out? sweet :)
[03:17] <kristian_> No, sorry, I just f*d up /everything/...
[03:17]  * genii mourns gwenview
[03:17] <BluesKaj> kristian_, yeah 4 is more mac-like ...mac users will prolly luv it
[03:17] <kristian_> Yeah, but wasn't Gnome supposed to be the osx-pleaser...?
[03:18] <dwidmann> plasma in its current state is nowhere near as function as kdesktop and kicker ...
[03:18] <kristian_> I'm still waiting for some *really* cool ways of thinking desktop environments...
[03:18] <dwidmann> bash: /usr/lib/kde4/bin/kcontrol: No such file or directory
[03:18]  * dwidmann tears up
[03:18] <BluesKaj> no kidding , dwidmann
[03:20] <kristian_> Well, thanks again everyone, see you.
[03:20] <dwidmann> A lot of the other apps seem to be straight ports with reorganized menus to be more usable, that makes more sense to me ... I hope the crippled apps are just incomplete ports and everything else is being added back later or I'll have to finally motivate myself to do somethign
[03:22] <epimeth> nobody is using custom desktop effects?
[03:23] <nosrednaekim> epimeth: sure am.,... are you on hardy?
[03:23] <Daisuke_Laptop> kde4? crippled?  noooo....
[03:23] <genii> I'm not crazy about eye candy on my computer. I like to basically leave it alone so long as it runs the things I require correctly
[03:23] <Daisuke_Laptop> surely you can't be serious!
[03:23] <epimeth> nosrednaekim: yup
[03:24] <dwidmann> Daisuke_Laptop: some of them are
[03:24] <soho> hi
[03:24] <epimeth> Daisuke_Laptop: I am serious.  And stop calling me shirley!
[03:24] <Daisuke_Laptop> dwidmann: i'm sorry, the correct answer was ...  epi got it :D
[03:24] <soho> :>
[03:24] <epimeth> nosrednaekim: so how do I save the settings?
[03:24] <dwidmann> :S
[03:25] <nosrednaekim> epimeth: so in the "desktop effects" dialog "Custom effects" doesn't work? it doesn't allow you to modify it with CCSM?
[03:25] <Daisuke_Laptop> dwidmann: i also forgot the <sarcasm> tag...  i am as yet completely unimpressed with kde4's look, feel, and direction :(
[03:25] <epimeth> nosrednaekim: I had it set up *prefectly*, then restarted and lost all of my settings :-(
[03:26] <epimeth> also, for some reason the mouse is determining which window has focus... I *Really* don't like that
[03:26] <soho> how delete kubuntu  ?
[03:26] <nosrednaekim> epimeth:  yeah... I noticed that, I'm going to change that default setting.
[03:26] <dwidmann> Daisuke_Ido: Look isn't really all that bad -plus you can still use plastic if you want to, the biggest area hurting it right now is probably plasma, which is incomplete as things stand currently.
[03:27] <epimeth> soho: you want to delete kubuntu or just kde?
[03:27] <soho> يا اخوان فيه احد عربى  انا ما افهم انجليزي  :(
[03:27] <Daisuke_Laptop> oookay
[03:27] <epimeth> !arabic
[03:27] <ubotu> For the Arabic language or Saudi Arabia you are invited to join للغة العربية رجاء انظم #ubuntu-sa
[03:28] <soho> Thanks bro    :)
[03:28] <snowdonkey> Hey what's that website where I can post code & link to it?
[03:28] <soho> :(   No body this room
[03:28] <gerenuk> !pste
[03:28] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about pste - try searching on http://ubotu.ubuntu-nl.org/factoids.cgi
[03:29] <gerenuk> !paste
[03:29] <ubotu> pastebin is a service to post large texts so you don't flood the channel. The Ubuntu pastebin is at http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org (be sure to give the URL of your paste - see also the #kubuntu channel topic)
[03:29] <NickPresta> snowdonkey, http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org
[03:29] <snowdonkey> Thx
[03:29] <Daisuke_Laptop> dwidmann: the look isn't terrible, no.  but it feels very stiff, if that makes any sense
[03:29] <epimeth> soho: sorry... but I don't think anyone here speaks arabic
[03:29] <dwidmann> Daisuke_Laptop: stiff? Umm, umm, umm, not sure what you mean by that, no
   Thank you brother
[03:31] <epimeth> soho: ahlan beka
[03:31] <Hix-Nix> hey guys, im a gentoo guy, but i was asked to help out a buddy of mine with a kubuntu box. well, everything is werking great, but the loging screen is fubar
[03:31] <epimeth> Hix-Nix: you using hardy?
[03:31] <Hix-Nix> the text is HUGE, and ive tried to make it smaller, but its no good
[03:31] <Hix-Nix> i want to say its fiesty
   you're speake arabic  :D
[03:32] <epimeth> Hix-Nix: hmmm... never had a problem with it.
[03:32] <Hix-Nix> gutsy
[03:32] <nosrednaekim> epimeth: I'll heck out your problem with the compiz manager... thanks
[03:32] <nosrednaekim> *check
[03:33] <epimeth> soho: just "shukran" "ahlan beka" and "salaam"... and some arabic slang we use in hebrew
[03:33] <nosrednaekim> epimeth: would you mind filing a bug?
[03:33] <epimeth> nosrednaekim: I don't know that it is a bug... I think there may be a way to save the settings I just don't know about
[03:33] <epimeth> nosrednaekim: "feature" :-)
[03:33] <nosrednaekim> epimeth: nah.. its a bug :)
[03:34] <Hix-Nix> im sure its a rez issue, but my res is set correctly
[03:34] <epimeth> nosrednaekim: you on the effects team?
[03:34] <epimeth> Hix-Nix: is it a laptop?
[03:34] <nosrednaekim> epimeth: yeah..I wrote that app
[03:34] <Hix-Nix> epimeth, yeah it is
[03:34] <epimeth> Hix-Nix: wide screen?
[03:34] <epimeth> nosrednaekim: all right :-)
[03:35] <epimeth> nosrednaekim: so you can fix the bug I posted yesterday!
[03:35] <Hix-Nix> epimeth, yar
[03:35] <epimeth> nosrednaekim: desktop cube breaks my system tray... updater appears as a green dot and my 2 rows turn into one long one
[03:35] <epimeth> Hix-Nix: try installing 915resolution
[03:35] <Hix-Nix> present res is 1280 x 800
[03:36] <Hix-Nix> k, will do
[03:36] <nosrednaekim> epimeth: thats a compiz bug... but my prob :)
[03:37] <nosrednaekim> *not
[03:37] <nosrednaekim> epimeth: eh, did you post it against my app?
[03:37] <epimeth> nosrednaekim: I'm not actually sure... lemme check launchpad
[03:38] <nosrednaekim> the appication is desktop-effects-kde4
[03:38] <nosrednaekim> err.. without the 4
[03:39] <epimeth> nosrednaekim: I think I filed it under kdebase
[03:40] <nosrednaekim> well... what was the bug...
[03:40] <nosrednaekim> actually, I g2g....
[03:40] <epimeth> nosrednaekim: I still don't fully get how launchpad is organized
[03:40] <nosrednaekim> epimeth: :)
[03:40] <Jucato> who does? :)
[03:40] <epimeth> nosrednaekim: you want me to file the bug, or will you take care of it?
[03:40]  * Jucato hides.. gtg 2
[03:40] <Jucato> s/2/too/
[03:41] <nosrednaekim> epimeth: I'll try to remember :)
[03:41] <epimeth> shweet
[03:41] <epimeth> adios guts
[03:41] <epimeth> s/guts/guys
[03:41] <Jucato> adios gutsy? no no it's just 6 months old :)
[03:42] <epimeth> nosrednaekim: where is the setting for mouse focus?
[03:42] <nosrednaekim> epimeth: probably under general i'd guess
[03:42] <epimeth> cheers
[03:44] <epimeth> nosrednaekim: "click to focus" is enabled :-(
[03:45] <nosrednaekim> yeah..... but disable focus flows mouse
[03:45] <epimeth> wtf?  effects level is set to no effects... this is a kde3 setting!  grrrr.....
[03:46] <epimeth> okay... now that desktop effects is enabled, its fine.
[03:47] <nosrednaekim> bye
[03:47] <epimeth> adios
[03:47] <epimeth> :-)
[03:48] <Itaku> is it possible to block me from typing in rm -rf /?
[03:48] <epimeth> lol
[03:48] <Itaku> cuz i accidently typed it in a few times
[03:48] <Itaku> went to type in a path and accidently hit enter .-.
[03:48] <epimeth> you can't rm -rf / if you aren't root
[03:48] <Itaku> root terminal
[03:49] <epimeth> why?????????????????????????????
[03:49] <Itaku> more access
[03:49] <Itaku> dont have to  sudo
[03:49] <Itaku> cuz im lazy
[03:49] <epimeth> then consider it a lesson learned.
[03:49] <NickPresta> Itaku, I suppose you learned your lesson then? :)
[03:49] <Itaku> 2 lessons
[03:49] <epimeth> root terminal = BE CAREFUL
[03:49] <genii> Well, thats what happens and no one to blame but yourself after for defeating th built in safeties
[03:49] <Itaku> but is there a way to make it so it doesnt listen to that
[03:50] <genii> Itaku: Yes.
[03:50] <Itaku> how?
[03:50] <NickPresta> Itaku, do you find yourself accidentally typing rm -rf / frequently? It doesn't seem like something that needs to be prevented by the system. You should prevent yourself from typing that.
[03:50] <genii> Itaku: In sudoers file make a cmnd_alias to the command you don'e ever want to run. Then exclude whatever users from being able to do it.
[03:51] <genii> There are many tutorials on how to do this sort of sudoers editing/setups
[03:51] <epimeth> genii: does that stop you from being able to run it if you sudo -s ?
[03:51] <epimeth> erm sudo -i ?
[03:51] <genii> epimeth: Yes
[03:51] <epimeth> ah
[03:51] <epimeth> cool
[03:51] <Itaku> uh
[03:51] <Itaku> so like
[03:51] <Itaku> ive never used sudoers file
[03:52] <genii> To reiterate:There are many tutorials on how to do this sort of sudoers editing/setups
[03:52] <epimeth> Itaku: /etc/sudoers
[03:52] <Itaku> no but how do i make a cmnd_alias
[03:52] <Itaku> wait in in root though
[03:52] <genii> I'm going to make you work for it and google
[03:52] <genii> ;)
[03:53] <Itaku> ...
[03:53] <epimeth> good on you, genii!
[03:53] <epimeth> Itaku: man sudoers
[03:54] <genii> Itaku: This may get you started https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Sudoers
[03:55] <genii> epimeth: I generally feel that huge mistakes caused by laziness will only be repeated if you encourage the laziness ;)
[03:56] <Itaku> is there an rm command that ignores when its told to delete /?
[03:57] <genii> No
[03:58] <NickPresta> Maybe create your own version of rm and place it in ~/bin. That might work?
[04:00] <Itaku> i found --preserve-root   fail to operate recursively on `/'
[04:00] <Itaku> is there a way to make it always do that
[04:00] <gerenuk> Itaku: if you don't run it as sudo it won't delete /, replace rm /directory_to_be_deleated with ls, so that it shows which files you are about to delete, and also use rm -i to play it safe
[04:01] <epimeth> gerenuk: he wants rm -rf specifically
[04:01] <Itaku> NickPresta: ill do that oonce you teach me c
[04:01] <Itaku> :p
[04:02] <gerenuk> rm -rf on root ?
[04:03] <epimeth> but yea... if you alias rm with rm --preserve-root
[04:03] <epimeth> gerenuk: yes
[04:03] <epimeth> gerenuk: he's very silly
[04:04] <Itaku> yeah
[04:04] <Itaku> i know
[04:04] <epimeth> Itaku: did you catch the alias?
[04:04] <gerenuk> oh ok, have fun and good luck then ^_^
[04:04] <NickPresta> Itaku, you could easily write it in BASH, etc. You could write a bash function and have that instead of root. Of course, this all seems superfluous. I suggest you just stop typing the offending command.
[04:04] <genii> hehe NickPresta
[04:05] <Itaku> its always on accident
[04:05] <genii> The reason root is locked out is exactly that, accidents happen
[04:05] <Itaku> root@itaku-desktop:~# alias rm='rm --preserve-root'
[04:06] <Itaku> i just did that
[04:06] <NickPresta> Itaku, I don't know about your keyboard layout, but 'rm -rf /' are not close together. It seems hard to 'accidentally' type that. If you seriously need to rm something referencing an absolute path, use -i as well.
[04:06] <Itaku> was gonna hit shift
[04:06] <Itaku> but messed up
[04:07] <NickPresta> Use the shift on the left side of your keyboard?
[04:07] <Itaku> right side
[04:07] <Itaku> im right handed
[04:07] <NickPresta> At any rate, we have given you enough tips. I don't think there is much more _we_ can do for you. :)
[04:07] <Itaku> but does what i did work?
[04:08] <NickPresta> Itaku, it should, yep
[04:08] <epimeth> Itaku: it should
[04:08] <Itaku> k
[04:08] <genii> I'm tempted to tell you to try it but I won't be quite that mean
[04:08] <Itaku> thanks
[04:08] <epimeth> Itaku: only one way to find out :-)
[04:09] <epimeth> Itaku: thats a temporary solution tho
[04:09] <Itaku> epimeth: hell no :p
[04:09] <epimeth> Itaku: you should add that to root's bashrc
[04:09] <Itaku> bashrc
[04:09] <Itaku> that stores aliases?
[04:09] <epimeth> its a file that executes on every interactive login
[04:09] <epimeth> as in, sudo -i
[04:15] <shadowbox> does any body have a good source to get pink neon lights, my next project is a clear case with hidden pink neon (as if you could hide in a clear box)
[04:15] <Pici> shadowbox: try asking in ##hardware
[04:16] <MrUnagi> hardy is being released in june?
[04:17] <ubuntu> MrUnagi
[04:17] <MrUnagi> ubuntu
[04:17] <eddieftw> april
[04:17] <MrUnagi> thats what i thought i must have misread
[04:18] <shadowbox> cool thanks
[04:20] <jessica> how can i change my gdm to kdm
[04:21] <epimeth> jessica: sudo dpkg-reconfigure kdm
[04:21] <epimeth> jessica: worth a shot :-)
[04:21] <epimeth> jessica: lemme know if it worked
[04:22] <jessica> ok thanks
[04:22] <jessica> thanks ive done it
[04:23] <epimeth> restart... lemme know if it worked :-)
[04:23] <epimeth> I'm smiling way to much...
[04:23] <epimeth> gotta stop that...
[04:23] <jessica> ok ill re-start
[04:23] <jessica> be right back
[04:28] <jessica> worked fine thanks
[04:29] <epimeth> jessica: no worries!
[04:30] <jessica> i dont suppose you know why my second life is making my screen go black after about 3-5 mins and then my whole system freezes and wont return
[04:31] <epimeth> heh
[04:31] <epimeth> not a clue
[04:31] <epimeth> sorry
[04:31] <epimeth> I'm purposely avoiding it, actually
[04:31] <epimeth> I've got an game-addictive personality...
[04:32] <Ukonpoika> !enter | epimeth
[04:32] <ubotu> epimeth: Please try to keep your questions/responses on one line - don't use the "Enter" key as punctuation!
[04:32] <gerenuk> I've heard of other people having the same problem, jessica , I'm sure there would be a guide somewhere about as i think it's a common problem
[04:32] <seba> the help in spanish is veri very bad
[04:33] <jessica> thanks gerenuk i will have a look around the web
[04:33] <jessica> how do you mean very bad seba ?
[04:33] <jessica> surly they help just as good as english speeking people
[04:34] <jessica> we just pick things up as we go along and find things when browsing the web
[04:34] <xbehave2> If i use lvm does the kernel need to be in the boot partition?
[04:34] <seba> beacause is 15 min anybody tell me anything
[04:34] <seba> sorry for my english
[04:35] <jessica> its ok i understand you
[04:35] <jessica> what is your problem
[04:36] <seba> the problem is with Azureus..
[04:36] <jessica> ok do go on
[04:36] <seba> i read the user guide.. but i dont know  any server
[04:37] <jessica> server
[04:37] <seba> client
[04:38] <seba> is Azureus search automatic?
[04:38] <jessica> its a torrent downloader
[04:38] <seba> oyes
[04:38] <jessica> i use to use it back on windows until i moved to linux
[04:39] <jessica> just get your .torrent file and tell it to open to azures it will do the rest
[04:39] <seba> only this?
[04:39] <jessica> what
[04:39] <jessica> have you installed azures
[04:40] <epimeth> Ukonpoika: thanks... I'm just really tired.  I'm usually more verbose
[04:40] <seba> is to easy... OK
[04:40] <seba> thanks
[04:40] <jessica> im sorry i dont understand
[04:40] <jessica> have you fixed your problem
[04:42] <seba> no yeat, but i need some minutes to probe...
[04:44] <seba> i need time to probe... thanks jessica, Buenas Noches
[04:45] <jessica> your welcome
[04:49] <Hix-Nix> epimeth, hey, just wanted to say that 915resolution worked perfect, thanks
[05:00] <ubuntu> hey, I've got a spindle of 25 cd's what are the chances they are all bad ?
[05:02] <maduser> ?
[05:04] <genii> some_dude: It might depend if you got them in an unmarked clear plastic shell at the Dollar Store. But usually only 1 in 8 to 10 are bad from factory
[05:05] <some_dude> is the kubuntu beta iso maybe bad ?
[05:25] <calcmandan> hi guys. i'm about to pull an old box out of the closet and play with mail servers for our small business.  anyone have a good recommendation? something where my brother can comfortably use his precious outlook.
[05:25] <calcmandan> i know outlook will work with any mail server, but he's merely looking for the address book and shit.
[05:28] <genii> calcmandan: Maybe ask in #ubuntu-server
[05:33] <calcmandan> genii: thanks
[05:33] <calcmandan> i will
[05:38] <xbehave2> is moving an ntfs partition inside a logical partition possible?
[05:41] <austin__> anyone know how to disable the new pink theme on kde4?
[05:41] <genii> hehe
[05:47] <austin__> been  googling to no avail...
[05:47] <austin__> I'm not too big a fan of pink lace personally...
[05:47] <genii> I asked in #kubuntu-kde4 fror you but no one's responding yet
[05:48] <austin__> thanks
[05:48] <austin__> didn't know about that channel, I'll lurk there as well
[05:49] <genii> It's quiet as hell in there
[05:49] <Daisuke_Ido> i would imagine that hell would be rather noisy, what with the screams of the damned and all that
[05:50] <austin__> depends on the level you're on
[05:51] <austin__> the 9th level would be pretty quiet, with the freezing and all
[05:51] <Daisuke_Ido> of course, that all depends on what you believe.
[05:52] <Daisuke_Ido> personally, i believe there can be no freezing in hell until such time that the chicago cubs win a world series
[05:52] <austin__> true, true, I was going by dante
[05:53] <austin__> I prefer the pastafarian outlook
[05:53] <austin__> what with the beer volcano and stripper factory and all
[05:53] <genii> austin__: According to some folks in #kubuntu-devel the pink theme should revert back on it's own whenever you next update
[05:53] <Ragnarel> austin__, http://blog.nixternal.com/2008.04.01/new-kubuntu-kde-4-remix/ is this ur issue?
[05:55] <austin__> Ragnarel: yes
[05:56] <Ragnarel> just a joke from Kubuntu Hardy, it seems (read comments)
[05:56] <austin__> that's what I was reading
[05:57] <austin__> yeah, I can deal with a joke, as long as  it reverts in a few days...I'd prefer some way to disable it manually, but eh
[05:57] <Daisuke_Ido> idunno, i kinda like it -_-
[05:57] <austin__> heh
[05:57] <Daisuke_Ido> perhaps not PINK
[05:57] <Daisuke_Ido> but it would make a festive holiday decoration in christmas colours
[05:57] <austin__> I was liking the black/vista-ish look, aside from the plasma crashes
[05:58] <Daisuke_Ido> you mean kde4 does something other than crash?
[05:58] <hydrogen> well
[05:58] <Ragnarel> patience! xD
[05:58] <hydrogen> its done all sorts of things for me
[05:58] <hydrogen> and hasn't crashed in like two months
[05:58] <hydrogen> so
[05:58] <hydrogen> meh
[05:58] <Daisuke_Ido> hydrogen, raised your blood pressure, caused hair loss, things like that? :)
[05:58] <hydrogen> no
[05:59] <hydrogen> nice try though
[05:59] <Daisuke_Ido> i fully believe that kde4 will be *great*
[05:59] <hydrogen> feel free to troll elsewhere
[05:59] <Daisuke_Ido> once the bugs are worked out of plasma
[05:59] <Ragnarel> uhm I tried to use kde4 and was impossible for me
[05:59] <Ragnarel> I mean, still not very stable
[05:59] <hydrogen> plasmas been quite reliably for me for a while now as well
[05:59] <hydrogen> the tooltips still have a habbit or not disappearing when they should
[05:59] <hydrogen> but other than that
[06:01] <austin__> I haven't added any widgets, however, I've had quite a few wm crashes requiring clearing out plasma  settings to get plasma back
[06:01] <austin__> and now I have the elton john theme
[06:01] <austin__> so yeah
[06:01] <Daisuke_Ido> i think my biggest real problem with kde4 right now is purely aesthetic - i like having a few icons on the desktop, but i don't like each one being treated as a separate framed widget - now i don't know if that's still the case in 4.0.3, or if that behaviour can be turned off, but that's where i stand at the moment
[06:01] <Ragnarel> I experienced that in less than 1 hour using kde4, austin__
[06:02] <hydrogen> Daisuke_Ido: the plan is for icons to not exist at all for 4.1
[06:02] <hydrogen> hurray!
[06:02] <Daisuke_Ido> actually go to 'plasmoid' launchers?
[06:02] <austin__> Daisuke_Ido: yeah, I test a lot of apps for wine, and quite a few install shortcuts...select all + delete no longer works :-(
[06:02] <Ragnarel> well, finally I think that I will not upgrade till 4.1 release
[06:02] <Daisuke_Ido> because that would be alright
[06:03] <hydrogen> a dir lister plasmoid
[06:03] <austin__> Ragnarel: I experience it a lot when running the wine test suite...I've gotten used to it now,  but that gray screen is still _very_ annoying
[06:03] <genii> At they rate they produce kde versions a 4.1 release will likely be along in ...perhaps 5 years
[06:03] <Daisuke_Ido> i'm excited to see what 4.1 has to offer
[06:04] <hydrogen> genii: or you know--- four months
[06:04] <hydrogen> but you're close!
[06:04] <Daisuke_Ido> genii, i don't think so, i think that the impression that linux is a good desktop OS is spreading, and making devs feel a little bit of pressure to get things fixed
[06:04] <hydrogen> of course, 4.1 will have a few new things, and not just three things copied from gnome and a new note taking application
[06:04]  * genii expects something like 4.0.5 in maybe 4 months
[06:05] <hydrogen> like another desktop I can name...
[06:05] <Ragnarel> well, when 4.1 will be released, developers will say that real kde will be 4.1.1... xd
[06:05] <Daisuke_Ido> well copied from gnome eliminates a couple options right there...
[06:06] <zaida> www.con22
[06:06] <hydrogen> no
[06:07] <Daisuke_Ido> if i remember right, kde 3.0 was no great experience either
[06:07] <zaida> c
[06:07] <Daisuke_Ido> and subsequent releases got better and better
[06:08] <zaida> vhjfu
[06:09] <Daisuke_Ido> uh-huh...  you don't say
[06:11]  * genii gets disgusted and goes back to good old reliable KDE 1.2
[06:12] <genii> Which I actually have somewhere
[06:12] <Daisuke_Ido> i wonder if the really old versions would still run
[06:13] <Daisuke_Ido> would think the hardest part would be reeeeally outdated dependencies
[06:13] <genii> On xorg 7.3 or so?
[06:13] <Daisuke_Ido> yeah
[06:13] <genii> Maybe I'll experiment tomorrow :)
[06:13] <Daisuke_Ido> honestly, i have no idea how or if it's even possible
[06:14] <Daisuke_Ido> genii, if you manage it, package it :D
[06:14] <genii> hehe
[06:14] <Daisuke_Ido> or let us know how...  that interests me...
[06:14] <genii> Will do
[06:15] <Daisuke_Ido> thanks
[06:19] <asobi> !ot
[06:19] <ubotu> #kubuntu is the official Kubuntu support channel, for all Kubuntu-related support questions. Please use #kubuntu-offtopic for general chatter. Thanks!
[06:25] <kayess> Hi all - I'm having problems installing Kubuntu onto my laptop, a Thinkpad R61
[06:25] <kayess> Actually the install goes fine, but the update seems to keep failing
[06:26] <delphine> what do you mean by "the update" ?
[06:26] <kayess> Adept seems to crash and I can't run another copy to do anything. If I reboot then I get a "file missing" error and it won't load the kernel
[06:26] <madkhen> hi.. is there a way to migrate configurate from kde3 to kde4?
[06:26] <kayess> After the install it wants to update to the latest files
[06:27] <delphine> do it in a konsole, rather than in Adept manager
[06:27] <kayess> What do I type? sudo apt-get updates or something?
[06:28] <DOOM_NX> good morning
[06:28] <DOOM_NX> does anyone have any idea what i fill in here? http://img129.imageshack.us/img129/1702/screenshotwinxpsettingsui4.png
[06:28] <delphine> sudo apt-get update && sudo apt-get dist-upgrade
[06:28] <genii> kayess: sudo apt-get update;sudo apt-get upgrade                      or dist-upgrade  , yes
[06:29] <kayess> Thanks - I'll give that a whirl. Guess I won't know if it works for another hour at least
[07:19] <cpk1> if you make a cronjob as a normal user and the job that is running needs root access do you need to do anything different?
[07:20] <stdin> put it in the system crontab, not yours
[07:24] <cpk1> so does sudo crontab -e edit /etc/crontab?
[07:29] <stdin> cpk1: just use kcron, "kdesu kcron"
[07:30] <cpk1> stdin: that would be great for my desktop but not the headless router =P
[07:30] <Romina> does anyone here use mercury messenger (an MSN client)
[07:30] <Romina> ?
[07:32] <stdin> cpk1: I think -e would edit the users crontab (root has one too), so just edit /etc/crontab manually
[07:35] <cpk1> stdin: looks like you are right
[08:06] <apparle> hi
[08:18] <metbsd> how do i set a firewall that allow anywhere to destination 1.3.4.2 port 25
[08:21] <sinau> hi
[08:21] <sinau> any body room?
[08:22] <sinau> im afraid that every body is sleeping here..
[08:23] <apparle> nope
[08:24] <ere4si> I'm not awake yet :)
[08:25] <apparle> sinau: I don't think it's worth waking up to say 'hi' :)
[08:26] <sinau> is this room still discus the kubuntu..
[08:26] <ere4si> yep
[08:27] <sinau> ok.. :)
[08:27] <apparle> sinau: don't sleep :)
[08:28] <apparle> ere4si: Thanks man, you solved my problem of OSS  and kmix.
[08:28] <apparle> Bye everyne
[08:28] <apparle> Bye everyone
[08:29] <ere4si> that was a while ago :) ...
[08:36] <sinau> anyone using kwifimanager?
[08:38] <sinau> sleeping again..
[08:38] <ere4si> I don't use it - sorry
[08:41] <sinau> ere4si: what did you use for wireless connection manager?
[08:41] <ere4si> sinau: I don't use wireless...
[08:42] <sinau> ok.. ic
[09:11] <Jadi> I want to upgrade from kubuntu 7.10 to 8.04 beta but "sudo adept_manager --dist-upgrade-devel" gives me erros while "setting new software channels". Is this a bug ? (give 404 file not found on launchpad)
[09:16] <Martin_> i need some help with my network ... 2boxes one lan cable ... all i need is to ssh into the box with internet or share the connection
[09:17] <Martin_> someone know how to bridge a ppp0 and eth0 connection
[09:19] <llutz> Martin_: for "connection-sharing" you'll need to activate ip-forwarding/nat on the box with internet-access.
[09:19] <Martin_> llutz: how would i do that
[09:19] <llutz> Martin_: try http://www.linuxquestions.org/questions/linux-networking-3/configuring-ip-forwarding-through-ubuntu-587164/
[09:20] <Martin_> thanks llutz
[09:23] <llutz> Martin_: in general you have to enable ip-forwarding on that box. on the client you need to set default route (gateway) to the pc with internet. Also you have to set a nameserver on the client for dns. Set an external dns or install dnsmasq on the pc sharing the connection
[09:31] <MilhousePunkRock> Hello everyone!
[09:36] <MilhousePunkRock> Does Gutsy come with some kind of disk encryption by default? I lately noticed the messages "Starting early crypto disks" and "Starting remaning crypto disks" while booting...
[11:06] <yao_ziyuan> is it recommended to install firefox 3 beta 5 along with kubuntu's official firefox 2?
[11:08] <jussi01> yao_ziyuan: no. we recomend you stick with what is in the repositories. however, Ubuntu 8.04 has Firefox 3 beta.
[11:09] <yao_ziyuan> jussi01: but if i download the firefox 3.0 package from adept-manager and use a new user profile with it, what harm can it cause then?
[11:13] <jussi01> yao_ziyuan: it shouldnt cause any harm, as long as its in our official repositories (ie. you havent added any repositories)
[11:14]  * jussi01 cant remember if it was in gutsy. 
[11:18] <praveen_> how to make a makefile
[11:20] <jussi01> !compile | praveen_
[11:20] <ubotu> praveen_: Compiling software from source? Read the tips at https://help.ubuntu.com/community/CompilingSoftware (But remember to search for pre-built !packages first)
[11:27] <praveen_> how to make a  makefile in c++
[11:28] <jussi01> praveen_: are you looking to compile the makefile? or actually create one?
[11:32] <stefan-f> Hello all :)
[11:32] <fat-head> i just installed something from synaptic but it wont appear in my menus
[11:32] <stefan-f> I have here a greater network with NIS and nobody knows which one is the master
[11:33] <stefan-f> Is there a way to locate the nis master server?
[11:33] <fat-head> anyone help me ^^^ ?
[11:33] <jussi01> fat-head: what was that something?
[11:33] <fat-head> nvclock
[11:34] <fat-head> jussi01
[11:34] <Martin_> to use X via ssh all i have to do is ssh name@192..... -X  or i can log on the remote box but when i want to start firefox i get cannot open display
[11:35] <fat-head> its happened with quite a few other apps from synaptic which come with gui but i end up having to " run command "
[11:35] <jussi01> fat-head: if you read the description in synaptic, then you would know why you havent got a menu entry :)
[11:35] <jussi01> fat-head: it says:  This is the console version.
[11:35] <fat-head> jussi01 i added it to aynaptic through source checkinstall
[11:36] <jussi01> fat-head: btw, are you on ubuntu or kubuntu?
[11:36] <fat-head> yes but when i used ubuntu i was able to install nvclock through checkinstall and it appeared int he menus
[11:36] <fat-head> im on kubuntu
[11:37] <PhilRod> Martin_: are you sure you don't mean "ssh -X hostname"?
[11:38] <jussi01> fat-head: hrm, Im not a big fan of checkinstall, and havent used it much, so Im afraid i dont have answers for you. sorry.
[11:39] <Martin_> PhilRod: that should be the same or ... i can ssh in no problem but i can't start any X applications
[11:45] <andybleaden> Hi. Anyone had any recent success converting .ape files. I used to use monkeys audio but have had real trouble with it last time I tried it.  Anyone else have any joy...especially with say soundkonvertor???
[11:47] <PAdAM> haloo?
[11:48] <jussi01> PAdAM: hi.
[11:48] <andybleaden> HI
[11:48] <andybleaden> PAdAM: you new on this
[11:48] <andybleaden> ?
[11:49] <PAdAM> jop
[11:49] <andybleaden> Anyone anygood with .ape files?
[11:58] <RogueJediX> andybleaden: What do you mean by "good with"? Playing them?
[11:59] <PhilRod> Martin_: sorry, got distracted. Can you check that DISPLAY gets set in the ssh session (eg, "echo $DISPLAY" without the quotes)
[12:03] <praveen_> i want to make a makefile
[12:03] <anyko> hi
[12:03] <praveen_> i need to create one
[12:03] <anyko> i have a question... about kmail
[12:03] <andybleaden> RogueJediX: sorry .....I mean had success at converting them into wav files
[12:03] <jussi01> !ask | anyko
[12:03] <ubotu> anyko: Please don't ask to ask a question, ask the question (all on ONE line, so others can read and follow it easily). If anyone knows the answer they will most likely answer. :-)
[12:04] <RogueJediX> andybleaden: I actually did have success converting them to wav and then to flac, yes. I'll find the script, hang on
[12:04] <jussi01> andybleaden: you may also have a some success asking in #ubuntustudio , however it is a bit quiet in there, so you may need to be patient
[12:04] <anyko> okay.. so i try everthing to send emails via smtp... with several servers it dosn't work
[12:05] <anyko> i check everything, my identitys
[12:05] <andybleaden> RogueJediX: many thanks...just tried to download the mac tar giz thing to give it another try...not hopeful
[12:06] <jussi01> anyko: I often find the security settings are often at fault ffor mail failures
[12:06] <anyko> in e.g?
[12:06] <anyko> tls an so one?
[12:07] <RogueJediX> andybleaden: Did you use this or something else: http://jmac.sourceforge.net/ ?
[12:08] <andybleaden> RogueJediX: hmm...just tried this: http://gimpel.gi.funpic.de/wiki/index.php?title=Howto:convert_ape_to_wav/mp3/ogg_on_Linux
[12:09] <RogueJediX> andybleaden: I'm guessing mac and jmac are different. I've used jmac. You'll need java, though
[12:09] <jussi01> anyko: yeah, thats what Im talking about. check your provider to see which settings they use.
[12:10] <andybleaden> RogueJediX: think I have that...hmm...is there a quick konsole way to check?
[12:10] <anyko> i check the provider he works with tls... and if i try to send without it dosnt work, too
[12:10] <anyko> he always talk about an unknown transport protokol
[12:11] <RogueJediX> andybleaden: Just a sec
[12:11] <RogueJediX> andybleaden: You got all the files from that page you posted, right?
[12:12] <anyko> but i don't know, how i can check what the problem is.... i check with telnet, if my computer is able to talk with the ptovider... ab it works
[12:12] <andybleaden> I  only got as far as the tar gz download and then extracted them...nothing more...not that hot at installing from tar gz...in fact very bad
[12:12] <andybleaden> :(
[12:13] <RogueJediX> andybleaden: If that's all, then no problem. I can guide you through it
[12:13] <jussi01> anyko: have you tried using the "check what the server supports" button?
[12:13] <andybleaden> :)
[12:13] <anyko> yes
[12:14] <jussi01> anyko: what is the exact error message it gives?
[12:14] <andybleaden> RogueJediX: I have downloaded both jmac and mac tar gz now
[12:15] <anyko> where can i found it?
[12:15] <RogueJediX> andybleaden: So you've extracted the mac .tar.gz file already?
[12:15] <andybleaden> RogueJediX: yes
[12:15] <andybleaden> RogueJediX: into a folder in home
[12:16] <jussi01> anyko: well tell me what happens when you try to connect and get mail.
[12:16] <anyko> jussi01: it is something like unable to send message: unknown transport protokol
[12:16] <anyko> jussi01: i get mails, but he just do not send them
[12:16] <RogueJediX> andybleaden: Right. Now open the console and go to that folder
[12:17] <andybleaden> RogueJediX: the mac folder
[12:17] <andybleaden> RogueJediX: or home
[12:17] <jussi01> anyko: Im sorry, I dont know the answer to that one :/
[12:17] <anyko> jussi01: okay
[12:18] <RogueJediX> andybleaden: The mac folder
[12:18] <anyko> jussi01: it seemed that nobody could
[12:19] <anyko> jussi01: thanks
[12:19] <jussi01> anyko: sorry I couldnt help more :/
[12:20] <anyko> jussi01: dosn't matter
[12:21] <andybleaden> RogueJediX: see this is where I get in the mire...its title is mac so I should type cd /mac ?
[12:21] <RogueJediX> andybleaden: Nop, just "cd mac" without the quotes
[12:23] <andybleaden> RogueJediX: in !
[12:23] <RogueJediX> andybleaden: Good. Now type in "./configure". Again, without the quotes
[12:25] <andybleaden> RogueJediX: andy@andy-desktop:~/mac$ ./configurebash: ./configure: No such file or directory
[12:25] <RogueJediX> andybleaden: Okay. Type in "ls" and tell me what it shows
[12:25] <jussi01> !paste
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[12:26] <andybleaden> RogueJediX: mac-3.99-u4-b5
[12:27] <andybleaden> RogueJediX: maybe there is another folder layer
[12:27] <RogueJediX> andybleaden: Type in "cd mac-3.99-u4-b5"
[12:27] <neville_> Where abouts is the apt cache located?
[12:27] <RogueJediX> As you said
[12:27] <andybleaden> RogueJediX: sorted ..shall I do the .config thing now?
[12:27] <tomahasamoot> is xine compiled w/ --enable-aac?  I can play m4a files on amarok, I was told that it's complie options...
[12:28] <RogueJediX> andybleaden: "./configure", yes. Go ahead.
[12:28] <andybleaden> RogueJediX: checking for a BSD-compatible install... /usr/bin/install -cchecking whether build environment is sane... yeschecking for gawk... nochecking for mawk... mawkchecking whether make sets $(MAKE)... yeschecking whether to enable maintainer-specific portions of Makefiles... nochecking for g++... nochecking for c++... nochecking for gpp... nochecking for aCC... nochecking for CC... nochecking for cxx... nochecking for cc++... n
[12:28] <andybleaden> r KCC... nochecking for RCC... nochecking for xlC_r... nochecking for xlC... nochecking for C++ compiler default output file name... configure: error: C++ comp                               iler cannot create executablesSee `config.log' for more details.
[12:29] <andybleaden> RogueJediX: maybe I should try the jmac one instead?
[12:29] <jussi01> !paste | andybleaden
[12:29] <ubotu> andybleaden: pastebin is a service to post large texts so you don't flood the channel. The Ubuntu pastebin is at http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org (be sure to give the URL of your paste - see also the #kubuntu channel topic)
[12:29] <RogueJediX> andybleaden: Paste large amounts of stuff in http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org
[12:30] <andybleaden> sorry everyone
[12:30] <jussi01> neville_: its in /var/ iirc
[12:30] <RogueJediX> andybleaden: Yeah, it's  a bit easier. no compiling involved
[12:31] <andybleaden> RogueJediX: like this : http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/62006/
[12:31] <neville_> jussi01 You're right. Thanks!!
[12:31] <jussi01> andybleaden: to compile stuff you will need the package: build-essential
[12:31] <andybleaden> jussi01: getting the hang of this slowly
[12:31] <jussi01> thats what is missing there I suspect.
[12:32] <andybleaden> RogueJediX: i have the tar gz....should I extract the jmac tar gz
[12:33] <RogueJediX> andybleaden: Yeah. Just go to where the tar.gz is and type "tar zxvf jmac-1.74.tar.gz"
[12:37] <prophet> hi i have just installed kubuntu beta with kde4 and wanted to know why the digital clock and the menu button don't get smaller the 32px when changing panel size? And why do the parts of them that are not visible anymore (because over oversize) appear at the top of the desktop (they are wrapped around from bottom to top)?
[12:37] <prophet> can i fix this?
[12:38] <prophet> can i show seconds on the digital clock?
[12:38] <Dr_willis> prophet,  kde4 is still very much a work in progress
[12:38] <Dr_willis> a lot of things like that are not 'there' yet.
[12:39] <Dr_willis> Theres a lot of kde4 related packages not installed by default also. These add in some missing functionality. But not a lot. :)
[12:39] <Dr_willis> right click on the clock and check its properties. thats about all the features it has.
[12:39] <prophet> ok
[12:40] <prophet> thats really sad
[12:40] <MilhousePunkRock> Now that there is a little more action in here I can rephrase my question from hours ago: Does Gutsy have some kind of disk encryption by default?
[12:40] <Dr_willis> its really a 'work in progress'
[12:40] <andybleaden> RogueJediX: ok jmac is extracted but in a folder called jmac..had real trouble with the tar zxvf jmac-1.74.tar.gz command
[12:40] <jussi01> prophet: Kde4 suport in #kubuntu-kde4 :)
[12:40] <Dr_willis> MilhousePunkRock,   Not by default that i know of. Hardy i think does..
[12:40] <MilhousePunkRock> On today's fsck I noticed the messages "Starting early crypto disks" and "Starting remaning crypto disks" while booting...
[12:40] <Dr_willis> It may be that gutsy did have it.. I just never noticed. :)
[12:41] <MilhousePunkRock> Dr_willis: Where do those messages possibly come from if I never set anything up manually? It does not ask for a password either though...
[12:41] <RogueJediX> andybleaden: Trouble. Should've been pretty straightforward
[12:41] <RogueJediX> *Trouble?
[12:41] <Dr_willis> Actually i do recall some gusty disk encryption stuff when gutsy first came out.  - I never messed with it.
[12:42] <MilhousePunkRock> prophet: I have noticed the same behaviour, probably there is no option to resize the clock yet... KDE3 had font size settings for the clock, IIRC...
[12:42] <prophet> MilhousePunkRock: Ok thanks.
[12:42] <prophet> Then i'll switch back to normal ubuntu...
[12:43] <andybleaden> RogueJediX: had trouble...trying again and it worked...now i have a folder called jmac-1.74...do not not why
[12:43] <RogueJediX> andybleaden: That's alright, because that means it extracted properly
[12:44] <andybleaden> RogueJediX: god knows why it did not before...anyway...i am used to this
[12:44] <MilhousePunkRock> Dr_willis: The good side of this is, that I researched a little about security and anonymity now... I might set up a totally encrypted system when I do a clean install after the Hardy release... :D Not that I have anything to hide though. I'll just do it for the main reason I do geeky stuff, because I can... ;)
[12:44] <RogueJediX> andybleaden: Now go into that folder and in that folder is another one called "distributables"
[12:44] <andybleaden> RogueJediX: ok
[12:44] <RogueJediX> andybleaden: Go into that one too and you're ready to go
[12:44] <andybleaden> RogueJediX: into it via konsole or konqueror
[12:44] <MilhousePunkRock> prophet: There probably already is a fully configurable clock for plasma though...
[12:45] <RogueJediX> andybleaden: Via konsole. Sorry, should've been more clear
[12:45] <prophet> MilhousePunkRock: The analog one it pretty good but to small on a 24 px panel
[12:46] <TeslaTony> How can I customize my keyboard layout, especially for a specific program?
[12:46] <MilhousePunkRock> prophet: I installed KDE4 again just two days ago (had a nice pink environment and a unicorn because of the date), I haven't done much with it yet... If I can't composite to work properly on my louse 16 MB laptop video chip, I might stick to KDE 3.5 or even switch to Gnome though...
[12:46] <andybleaden> oh no http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/62007/
[12:47] <andybleaden> RogueJediX: am i missing something really easy here
[12:47] <RogueJediX> andybleaden: Drop the /
[12:47] <RogueJediX> andybleaden: Just "cd jmac-1.74"
[12:47] <MilhousePunkRock> TeslaTony: As in "using keyboard layout A for program X" and "keyboard layout B for the rest"?
[12:48] <TeslaTony> MilhousePunkRock: And I have no idea how to customize my layout at all
[12:48] <andybleaden> RogueJediX: right i know what I am doing wrong...i was cd /home then jmac..i just do it from the first konsole prompt
[12:49] <andybleaden> RogueJediX:  now I am in
[12:49] <MilhousePunkRock> TeslaTony: Basically that can be done in the regional settings of the Control Center. But I have no idea how that can be done selectively, if at all...
[12:49] <andybleaden> RogueJediX: do I find distributables
[12:50] <RogueJediX> andybleaden: Easy. Just type "cd distributables"
[12:50] <andybleaden> RogueJediX: done that and it worked  yiipee 1rst time
[12:50] <TeslaTony> MilhousePunkRock: Thanks. That may be enough for me to use as a starting point to figure the rest on my own
[12:51] <RogueJediX> andybleaden: Excellent. Now, do you remember where the .ape file is?
[12:51] <prophet> MilhousePunkRock: I have found 4+ more or less worse bugs within the first 5 minutes of use. And to that comes that i'm missing some features i want. kde was never an alternative for me and i wanted to give kde4 a try because they really made nice features. But at the moments i'm tending to go back to gnome because its not stable/unbuggy enough for me
[12:51] <MilhousePunkRock> TeslaTony: If it's system wide, it is probably set in the locales somewhere...
[12:51] <MilhousePunkRock> prophet: It's a .0 release, it still has edges and all... I would not use it on a productive system yet...
[12:52] <andybleaden> RogueJediX: both now in home
[12:53] <RogueJediX> andybleaden: Okay, showtime. Type in "java -jar jmac.jar -d" and then the path to your file
[12:53] <RogueJediX> andybleaden: Something like "java -jar jmac.jar -d /home/andybleaden/myapefile.ape"
[12:55] <andybleaden> RogueJediX: tada! http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/62010/
[12:57] <RogueJediX> andybleaden: So, the full file name is "John Cage - The Seasons.ape"?
[12:57] <andybleaden> RogueJediX: I am guessing I type tx 2 or somehting  john cage etc
[12:57] <andybleaden> RogueJediX: yes
[12:57] <andybleaden> RogueJediX: when I used to use mac everything was chaged to 1.ape etc...made it fool proof
[12:57] <RogueJediX> andybleaden: Try pasting the next line I type, INCLUDING the quotes
[12:58] <andybleaden> RogueJediX: then change back...oh ok
[12:59] <RogueJediX> andybleaden: java -jar jmac.jar -d ~/John\ Cage\ -\ The\ Seasons.ape JohnCage.wav
[13:00] <RogueJediX> In case you're wondering, I've decided to go without the quotes
[13:00] <juan_> hey i setup a http server to copy files over from an broken laptop, how do i do this, is wget the best way?
[13:00] <RogueJediX> andybleaden: Dp you know how to copy and paste in linux?
[13:01] <andybleaden> RogueJediX: yup did that and this happened  ( copied via copying your text and shift and insert into the konsole??
[13:01] <Dr_willis> juan_,  wget, or scp perhaps.
[13:02] <andybleaden> RogueJediX: http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/62011/
[13:03] <RogueJediX> andybleaden: Weird. That should've worked. Do you know where i could find an .ape file to fiddle around with it?
[13:04] <RogueJediX> andybleaden: I'm sorry, I'm stupid. Just realised what I did wrong
[13:04] <juan_> Dr_willis: dont suppose you know the commands to do a recursive get?
[13:04] <andybleaden> RogueJediX: no probs ...what info do you need
[13:04] <RogueJediX> andybleaden: Insted of java -jar jam -d etc etc. Type "java -jar jmac.jar d"
[13:04] <Dr_willis> with wget? nope.
[13:04] <jussi01> juan_: I think there is a spider command, iirc
[13:05] <RogueJediX> andybleaden: No minus in fron of the d. Sorry, my bad
[13:05] <jussi01> juan_: see "man wget"
[13:05] <andybleaden> RogueJediX: its cookin'
[13:05] <andybleaden> RogueJediX: it is cookin
[13:06] <andybleaden> decompressing
[13:06] <RogueJediX> andybleaden: There we go
[13:07] <andybleaden> RogueJediX: mind you have not got a clue as to why that command was like that with the / and names all twisted
[13:08] <RogueJediX> andybleaden: I can explain that. The ~ character means your home folder
[13:08] <RogueJediX> andybleaden: Typing ~ or /home/andy/ is essentially the same
[13:09] <RogueJediX> andybleaden: As for the \ characters: When you put a space in the command line, it thinks it has to follow another command or something, in layman's terms
[13:10] <andybleaden> RogueJediX: that is new
[13:10] <andybleaden> RogueJediX: to me
[13:11] <RogueJediX> andybleaden: So, when you typed in jmac.jar -d John Cage - The Seasons.ape, it thought it had to decompress files called John, Cage,- and The and dump it in a file called Seasons.ape
[13:11] <RogueJediX> andybleaden: So you have to put a \ in front of every space of the filename in order not to confuse it
[13:11] <BluesKaj> howdy all
[13:12] <andybleaden> RogueJediX: i see ...so if I copy that pasted command into somewhere useful and follow it everytime I should get it right?
[13:13] <andybleaden> RogueJediX: or alternatively temp rename all ape files as 1.ape etc like I used to with mac before
[13:14] <andybleaden> RogueJediX: what happens with the .cue file then...never understood them either
[13:14] <RogueJediX> andybleaden: Right. Alternately, you could use quotes, like "John Cage -The Seasons.ape"
[13:14] <Dr_willis> i always use single quotes :)
[13:14] <andybleaden> RogueJediX: that make sense
[13:14] <DarkJustice> anybody have some time and patience for a uber linux n00b? all I did was install kubuntu and I have a bunch of questions
[13:15] <andybleaden> Dr_willis: is that ' instead of "?
[13:15] <ryy> Hello, I am unable to install new programs because it always says "another process is using the packaging system database.." How can I find the culprit process and kill it?
[13:16] <llutz> !aptfix | ryy
[13:16] <ubotu> ryy: If an APT front-end crashed and your database is locked, try this in a !terminal: « sudo fuser -vki /var/lib/dpkg/lock;sudo dpkg --configure -a »
[13:16] <Dr_willis> andybleaden,  yes. bash treates themn differently..i forget the specifcs however.
[13:16] <Dr_willis> plus i dont have to use the shift key to do '
[13:16] <Dr_willis> :)
[13:16] <andybleaden> RogueJediX: this is where it is up to http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/62013/
[13:16] <ryy> I try it right now.
[13:16] <llutz> try echo "$PATH" '$PATH'   and you'll see the difference
[13:16] <andybleaden> Dr_willis: aha!
[13:17] <Dr_willis> llutz,  yea. i knew it had somthing to do with variables and  expansion. :)
[13:17] <Dr_willis> just couldent put it in words.. heh
[13:17] <RogueJediX> andybleaden: Yeah, just sit tight. ape files take a while
[13:18] <ryy> Thank you, its working now.  Would mind telling me what that command does?
[13:19] <andybleaden> RogueJediX: oh yes that I remember and its well worth the wait...what did you mean re bash treats them different  ( remember this is the man who could not change folders...and while I am on the subject....why do I have to sometimes use a / and not when cd ing
[13:21] <andybleaden> RogueJediX: i take it the cue thing splits ape file up if I remember rightly for media players
[13:21] <jussi01> ryy: simply, when adept opens it locks the database file so nothing else can use it. if it crashes, it does not unlock it. that command unlocks the database.
[13:23] <RogueJediX> andybleaden: I'm not really clear on spaces in filenames and bash myself. And yeah, the cue file usually splits it into tracks
[13:23] <andybleaden> RogueJediX: I could next time do this if the file is called 1 :~/jmac-1.74/distributables$  java -jar jmac.jar d ~/1.ape 1.wav
[13:23] <RogueJediX> andybleaden: You can still use the cue file and the wav file you're about to get together
[13:23] <andybleaden> RogueJediX: aha
[13:23] <RogueJediX> andybleaden: Exactly
[13:23] <ryy> thanks again.
[13:23] <andybleaden> coolio
[13:24] <andybleaden> RogueJediX: now I understand
[13:24] <andybleaden> RogueJediX: i have saved that as a note to remind me next time
[13:27] <andybleaden> RogueJediX: I have to clear off for a bit but I would like to say thanks for your help and patience today
[13:28] <RogueJediX> andybleaden: No prob, that''s what we're her efor
[13:28] <RogueJediX> I'm off to lunch myself, toodles
[13:28] <andybleaden> RogueJediX: byee
[13:30] <cbr> hello, what's the point of linux-backports-modules?
[13:31] <Eruaran> hello, is anyone else suddenly having dcopserver issues ?
[13:45] <anyko> kmail problem, kmail do not send messages, did anybody know somthing about?
[13:46] <Bredren> Hi there
[13:46] <Bredren> I have a question maybe someone could help
[13:47] <Bredren> Every time I reboot I have to bind a folder like this : sudo mount --bind /folder/ /destination/
[13:47] <dwidmann> Bredren: why not add it to your /etc/fstab?
[13:48] <Bredren> I would like to include in fstab, but I'm not sure of syntax : /var/www/       /destination/     bind,defaults        0       0
[13:48] <MilhousePunkRock> anyko: Can you send with other programs? I know for myself that I can not use my university's SMTP server if I am not in the university's IP name space...
[13:48] <Bredren> Yes dwidmann
[13:49] <Bredren> dwidmann: is that the good way to do ?
[13:49] <dwidmann> replace the comma after bind with a space and you should be good really, If I remember right
[13:49] <dwidmann> Bredren: if all else fails, copy the line out of your /etc/mtab
[13:50] <anyko> MilhousePunkRock: of course in the university it is the same problem, i only could recive the other mails,
[13:50] <Bredren> great dwidmann, I just need to copy/paste from etc/mtab
[13:51] <MilhousePunkRock> anyko: So it is your university's SMTP server?
[13:51] <KingOfDos|lap> is there a way that calendarserver will be added to the ubuntu repository?
[13:51] <Bredren> many thanks dwidmann
[13:51] <anyko> MilhousePunkRock:  no it is an other,
[13:51] <kymoie> why is irc taken out of kopete for KDE4?
[13:51] <MilhousePunkRock> anyko: Did you run the encryption test?
[13:52] <dwidmann> Bredren: you're welcome
[13:52] <MilhousePunkRock> kymoie: I guess noone here knows... kde4 is discussed in #kubuntu-kde4 anyway...
[13:52] <anyko> MilhousePunktRock: i try everything, with identities, secrurity-options, ... yes, you mean the security support from server, didn't you?
[13:53] <KingOfDos|lap> ok. calendarserver will be added "soon" i guess. but calendarserver already has that status for a few months.
[13:53] <kymoie> thanks MilhousePunkRock
[13:54] <KingOfDos|lap> i want to create a OS indipendend workstation/method. when i want to use a couple of Sunbird installations (or other software), then i need calendarserver or another iCal / CalDAV function.
[13:54] <anyko> MilhousePunkRock: i also try to talk via telnet, and it works, but kmail only talk about an unknown transportProtokol..., maybe here is a missing package... but i install Kmail again and it dosn't work again
[13:54] <MilhousePunkRock> anyko: I find the way KMail handles accounts a bit confusing myself... You did set up an identity for the new transport you want to use, did you?
[13:54] <anyko> yes
[13:56] <MilhousePunkRock> anyko: Are you registered with the server? We can talk German in a query, that will simplify things...
[13:58] <SlimeyPete> why not just go and speak in #kubuntu-de ?
[14:19] <ksal> hi
[14:19] <ksal> what should I install to compile an app?
[14:20] <ksal> gcc, and something else?
[14:20] <Jucato> !b-e | ksal
[14:20] <ubotu> ksal: Compiling software from source? Read the tips at https://help.ubuntu.com/community/CompilingSoftware (But remember to search for pre-built !packages first)
[14:20] <dwidmann> ksal: build-essential
[14:20] <ksal> thx :)
[14:20] <Jucato> dwidmann: my 8 keys strokes  vs. your 15 :P
[14:21] <ksal> hehe :]
[14:21] <ksal> Jucato: but, he helped me more ;)
[14:22] <Jucato> :D
[14:22] <ksal> hmm
[14:22] <ksal> damn
[14:22] <dwidmann> damn?
[14:22] <ksal> dwidmann: but description of that package says that it is package for building packages
[14:22] <ksal> there's no word about compiling
[14:22] <Jucato> :)
[14:23] <dwidmann> ksal: it compiles just fine
[14:23] <Jucato> of course if you looked at the web page...
[14:23] <ksal> Jucato: i looked at what synaptic says :p
[14:24] <dwidmann> Jucato: my 25ish keystrokes vs your 45ish keystrokes :P
[14:24] <Jucato> ksal: build-essential installs the stuff needed to build packages, which, surprise surprise, are the same things you need to compile apps! imagine that! :)
[14:24] <dwidmann> zomg!
[14:25] <ksal> hah
[14:25] <ksal> ok, thx ;]
[14:25] <Jucato> zomg indeed! :)
[14:25] <ksal> hmm? what? what's wrong about synaptic?
[14:25] <Jucato> oh, and look! it's written on the webpage linked by the bot! :)
[14:25] <dwidmann> ksal: nothing at all
[14:25] <Jucato> ksal: nothing. it's just a standard description
[14:25] <ksal> so why are you laughing at me? :p
[14:26] <Jucato> I was?
[14:26]  * Jucato was smirking
[14:26] <ksal> Jucato: I didn't  even look at that page ;]
[14:26] <Jucato> [21:23] <Jucato> of course if you looked at the web page... <-- hence
[14:27] <family> how can i set it so i can log in as root
[14:27] <Jessica> how can i set it so i can log in as root
[14:27] <Jucato> !root | Jessica
[14:27] <ubotu> Jessica: Do not try to guess the root password, that is impossible. Instead, realise the truth... there is no root password. Then you will see that it is 'sudo' that grants you access and not the root password. Look at https://help.ubuntu.com/community/RootSudo
[14:28] <dwidmann> I really like that description, has a kind of Matrix-esque taste to it
[14:28] <KubuntuJack> what is the correct channel for asking about hardware compatibility of k/ubuntu?
[14:28] <dwidmann> KubuntuJack: probably this one
[14:28] <Jessica> i know about sudo i want it so when i go to kdm i can log in as root
[14:29] <dwidmann> KubuntuJack: #ubuntu would work also
[14:29] <ksal> Jessica: set up root password
[14:29] <Jessica> ok thanks
[14:29] <Pici> !noroot | ksal
[14:29] <ubotu> ksal: We don't support a root password so don't suggest one unless you are going to be here 24/7 to help someone who has problems as a result of having one, many thanks ;-)
[14:29] <ksal> Jessica: but i don't think that there's a good reason for you to login as root
[14:29] <KubuntuJack> ok, am planning to build a new PC.  any problems with the asus p5k series (intel p35 chipset)?
[14:29] <ksal> heh
[14:30] <ksal> i'm not using linux from yesterday :p
[14:30] <dwidmann> Jessica: or you could ctrl+alt+fsomething and sudo -s to root, then xinit -- :1 vt12 and have a root session that way ... and not have to set up a root passwd
[14:31] <Jucato> O.o
[14:32] <KubuntuJack> another q does 7.10 support ahci mode of sata drives on the ICH9 or ICH9R chips ?
[14:32] <KubuntuJack> and maybe the last :) can i run a raid on on the ICH9R ?
[14:32] <dwidmann> KubuntuJack: ahci??
[14:33] <dwidmann> KubuntuJack: would probably be fakeraid ..... which ends up making the cpu do the work anyway ..
[14:34] <dwidmann> What's AHCI mode for SATA drives though? I have a board with an ICH9R southbridge so i can test I suppose.
[14:34] <KubuntuJack> ahci -> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Advanced_Host_Controller_Interface
[14:35] <nyko> genii:  hey how are you today
[14:35] <dwidmann> KubuntuJack: what's special-er about it?
[14:35] <genii> dwidmann: ahci mode is native mode for sata. As opposed to for instance compatability/ide emulated
[14:35] <KubuntuJack> should allow hotswitching, but also speed up transfer.  mind you i know nothing of this, have staid away some years from hardware ;)
[14:36] <dwidmann> KubuntuJack: wait around for a few, I saw that option in bios, I'll give it a go
[14:37] <ksal> geez
[14:37] <ksal> i want to compile pcsx2
[14:38] <ksal> but i have such a problem that I don't remember how........
[14:38] <ksal> um
[14:38] <ksal> I know how
[14:38] <ksal> but there's no 'configure' file.
[14:38] <ksal> only makefile.am
[14:39] <family> i am trying to open menu.list file from grub in kate and i keep getting this error http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/62022/
[14:39] <philipp_> how can i find out which ports get data from the Internet?
[14:40] <Jessica> i am trying to open menu.list file from grub in kate and i keep getting this error http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/62022/
[14:40] <nyko> genii: i use my mouse for 15 min now and no sleep for now
[14:40] <philipp_> how can i find out which ports get data from the Internet?
[14:40] <genii> KubuntuJack: 7.10 supported my Asus p5k-e sata controller but module mv_sata was needed. In this case also a linux souce code for the motherboard chipset came on cd from Asus, but it was for compilation under RedHat
[14:41] <genii> nyko: Good, this is with the usb suspend still disabled then?
[14:41] <BluesKaj> philipp_, are you trying to set up a p2p or torrent client ?
[14:41] <nyko> genii: i dunno
[14:41] <genii> nyko: To answer your first question, I'm a bit tired but otherwise all right :)
[14:41] <ksal> BluesKaj: isn't it the same thing?
[14:42] <philipp_> Blueskaj... somethink simmelar.... a conection with netcat
[14:42] <dwidmann> I'm going to say yes.
[14:42] <dwidmann> @KubuntuJack
[14:43] <BluesKaj> ksal, not nessarily ...torrent clients use torrent sites as their hubs ... most p2p suse the gnutella or other nets
[14:43] <BluesKaj> suse=use
[14:43] <nyko> genii: héhé at work again ?
[14:43] <ksal> ;)
[14:43] <KubuntuJack> i should read before i ask ;)  the wikipedia says that ahci is supported from kernel 2.6.19...
[14:43] <philipp_> Blueskaj... somethink simmelar.... a conection with netcat
[14:43] <ksal> dwidmann: could you help me with compiling?
[14:43] <dwidmann> ksal: probably
[14:43] <BluesKaj> which client philipp_ ?
[14:44] <KubuntuJack> thanks dwidmann and genii
[14:44] <dwidmann> KubuntuJack: so you say it should be faster, how much so?
[14:44] <dwidmann> Last I checked it was the drive read-write speed that was the bottleneck anyway
[14:45] <philipp_> blueskaj nc IP PORT
[14:45] <genii> nyko: Yes, at work
[14:45] <KubuntuJack> the reason i ask is because i've had some problems with my intel 875p motherboard, where AGP would not work.  just trying to do my homework before payin g ,)
[14:45] <philipp_> but i need a port where i can send the information and the router will bring it to me
[14:45] <nyko> genii: i find that http://doc.ubuntu-fr.org/souris_logitech. can be good for me you think ?
[14:46] <genii> nyko: Reading
[14:46] <nyko> genii:
[14:46] <Jessica> i am trying to open menu.list file from grub in kate and i keep getting this error http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/62022/
[14:46] <nyko> ok
[14:46] <dwidmann> KubuntuJack: I did my homework before paying too, definitely glad I did .... brand new system, and it only uses 100watts idle too :)
[14:46] <nyko> genii: this is french XD
[14:47] <KubuntuJack> dwidmann: ahci should support native command queing, (allows it to que up reads and writes to combine them to minimize head movement), should also support highr throughput, but don't know how much
[14:49] <KubuntuJack> dwidmann: what board and chipset did you get?
[14:49] <dwidmann> KubuntuJack: Intel DX38BT, North=x38, South=ICH9R
[14:50] <BluesKaj> philipp_, which peer to peer application are you trying to set up , they all use different tcp/udp ports , some can be changed to avoid blocking by ISPs ..that is why I ask
[14:50] <genii> nyko: Je peux habituellement comprendre le français quand on lui écrit.
[14:51] <nyko> genii: lol XD :)
[14:51] <genii> nyko: Anyhow, if this is your mouse, these are good instructions
[14:51] <KubuntuJack> dwidmann: ok, that won't help me getting a p35 board.  am i right to assume that you have to use ddr3 ram too?  happy to hear that the ICH9R is working in any case
[14:51] <nyko> genii: not a mx but a g5
[14:52] <nyko> genii: how to open xorg.conf and can whrite insid
[14:52] <Jessica> i am trying to open menu.list file from grub in kate and i keep getting this error http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/62022/
[14:52] <BluesKaj> genii, es tu bilange ?
[14:52] <dwidmann> KubuntuJack: with this board yes, with many of the other x38 boards no, a lot of them are dual (ie: have both ddr2 and ddr3 slots), seeing as I was upgrading from a Socket 939 board with DDR1 mem though, I wanted to go straight DDR3 with support for up to 8GiB of RAM, so this is the board I ended up with
[14:53] <genii> nyko: http://www.evga.com/forums/tm.asp?m=277812&mpage=1&key=&
[14:53] <dwidmann> KubuntuJack: the price for DDR3 mem really has gone down a lot though, I got 2x1GiB sticks for $150
[14:53] <Jucato> Jessica: how are you trying to open it? what command are you using?
[14:53] <KubuntuJack> anyone here run a asus p5k board ? any problems (i saw you genii)
[14:54] <nyko> KubuntuJack: am on p5n
[14:54] <genii> BluesKaj: Pas couramment.
[14:55] <genii> nyko: alt-f2, then: kdesu kate /etc/X11/xorg.conf
[14:55] <KubuntuJack> am looking to get 2x2 GB DDR2 sticks for some 150 dollars or (roughly converted).  the other reason is that I normally try to use slightly older tech in the hope of not beta testing hw ;)
[14:55] <genii> KubuntuJack: Yes I have the wifi/AP p5k board
[14:55] <Jessica> sudo kate /boot/grub/menu.list
[14:55] <dwidmann> KubuntuJack: If I were building and I were you I would consider going with a board with the x38 or x48 chipset, support for both the 45nm and 65nm procs
[14:55] <dwidmann> (or was it 60nm?)
[14:55] <genii> Jessica: Never use sudo with graphical applications
[14:55] <nyko> genii: what is the code for go in my xorg.conf
[14:56] <nyko> oups
[14:56] <nyko> sorry thanks
[14:56] <genii> nyko:  :) np
[14:56] <markus_> hello together
[14:56] <Jucato> Jessica: kdesu kate /boot/grub/menu.list
[14:57] <KubuntuJack> nyko: is that a p35 board ?
[14:57] <Jessica> thanks
[14:57] <nyko> KubuntuJack: no p5nsli
[14:57] <nyko> the socket you said ?
[14:57] <KubuntuJack> genii: any problems with kubuntu
[14:58] <KubuntuJack> dwidmann: p35 supports the 45nm too
[14:58] <dwidmann> KubuntuJack: it does? Hmmmm, and here I was wondering about that
[14:58] <dwidmann> KubuntuJack: I reconsidered and went for the x38 when i wasn't sure
[14:59] <dwidmann> faster fsb didn't hurt either
[14:59] <KubuntuJack> nyko: the chipset. socket 775 ?
[15:00] <nyko> KubuntuJack: yes
[15:00] <nyko> brb
[15:00] <KubuntuJack> dwidman: apparently the p5k board supports 1333 FSB, and ddr2 at 1066.
[15:00] <dwidmann> KubuntuJack: I know, but it was just the particular board I was looking at
[15:01] <KubuntuJack> i think the 1066 is an asus feature, otherwise the chipset support ddr2 up to 860
[15:02] <dwidmann> *nod* I'm using ddr3 1333
[15:02] <genii> KubuntuJack: During alternate cd install it stalled out trying to load some intl pcmcia driver, was required to go to busybox in another console and rename it, but oterwise install went fine
[15:02] <KubuntuJack> yeah, i would prefer that too :)
[15:03] <genii> KubuntuJack: I'm using OCZ ddr 800, overclocked without problems on that board (8Gb)
[15:03] <KubuntuJack> genii: good to know that it works...  thanks
[15:03] <dwidmann> KubuntuJack: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_Intel_chipsets#Core_2_Chipsets
[15:03] <genii> *ddr2
[15:04] <KubuntuJack> genii: i'll see what ram they have once I order.  might be possible that i get ocz.  probably 4 GB of dd2 1066
[15:06] <KubuntuJack> another question is what gfx to get.  am i right in assuming that nvidia have the best linux support?
[15:07] <dwidmann> KubuntuJack: looks like the main differences between x38 and p35 is that the x38 has pci-e gen 2 slots and a hardware memory prefetcher
[15:07] <dwidmann> KubuntuJack: unless you can find something with intel integrated ... and then it wouldn't perform as well as the nvidia anyway, stay away from the GeForce 9s for now
[15:07] <nyko> genii: now i have put gaming mouse g5 when she turn off my ps2 mouse not working
[15:08] <nyko> :(
[15:10] <KubuntuJack> dwidmann: i mean nvidia graphics cards not motherboards
[15:10] <genii> nyko: If I remember correctly from your old dmesg output, your G5 /dev/input was not event3 but possibly event5
[15:10] <nyko> genii: ok then :P
[15:10] <genii> nyko: (as the link I gave you for xorg.conf G5 modification used event3)
[15:10] <nyko> genii: im confusing now
[15:10] <dwidmann> KubuntuJack: yeah, I know, but intel integrated graphics are supported OOTB with 3d is why I gave them a mention.
[15:11] <nyko> genii: o i see where i setevent 5
[15:11] <nyko> o i see
[15:11] <genii> nyko: Perhaps check the contents of: dmesg for the exact event# to use
[15:11] <andybleaden> RogueJediX: cheers for what you did before mate..the ape is still converting as expected but no hassles yet ...bit slow as it used lots of cpu here
[15:12] <nyko> genii:  input: Logitech USB Gaming Mouse as /class/input/input3
[15:13] <genii> nyko: OK, so the line of Option "Device" "/dev/input/event3"               in xorg.conf sould be OK
[15:16] <nyko> when i log out i see a black windows and i can't move my mouse :S
[15:16] <dwidmann> nyko: what video card do you have?
[15:17] <nyko> nvidia sli 7800gs
[15:17] <nyko> 2|3 i got the login windows but the 2 other time i got a black windows
[15:17] <dwidmann> hmm, 7800, I could have sworn I'd read about issues with those at some point or another
[15:17] <nyko> brb
[15:19] <KubuntuJack> dwidmann: i was thinking about a an asus silent (passive cooling), 7600/8500 or 8600 card
[15:19] <genii> nyko: This is only since te xorg.conf modification from http://www.evga.com/forums/tm.asp?m=277812&mpage=1&key=&t               ?
[15:19] <dwidmann> KubuntuJack: 8600 card is pretty nice, I got one of those ... I just ordered a heatsink for it to replace the fan
[15:19] <genii> Bah he left again
[15:20] <genii> KubuntuJack: On that same box I have a 7600GT which works great
[15:20] <dwidmann> KubuntuJack: you'll get much more bang for your buck probably if you don't go with the 7600, depending on how you plan to use it
[15:20] <KubuntuJack> dwidmann: GT or GTS ?
[15:21] <dwidmann> I've got the GT, but I hear the GTS performs significantly better
[15:21] <dwidmann> But for $100 the 8600GT wasn't a bad buy at all.
[15:22] <genii> dwidmann: Yes, that was a nice buy :)
[15:22] <KubuntuJack> the thing is that i rarely play games.  i might wanna use 2:nd life so i suppose performance would be nic.  am a musician, so most of what i do is related to music.  am planning to run my win sequenser under wine.
[15:22] <dwidmann> genii: yup, outperforms my old 7900gtx most likely, and it uses no more power than the 7900gs (well, a little, very little)
[15:23] <KubuntuJack> i suppose to me good performance in wine, and 2:ndlife, and then low power consumption in order to make my new PC as quiet as possible...
[15:23] <dwidmann> I can hardly believe how much less power my new build uses than my old one ..... 100watts instead of 300watts on idle
[15:24] <dwidmann> KubuntuJack: I just found out about the noise end of things, my old case was a lot quieter, but I like this new one better (Lian Li ftw) ... need to replace its noisy case fans though, so I just ordered some
[15:25] <jussio1> !ot
[15:25] <ubotu> #kubuntu is the official Kubuntu support channel, for all Kubuntu-related support questions. Please use #kubuntu-offtopic for general chatter. Thanks!
[15:26] <KubuntuJack> dwidmann: i am gonna get an antec case.  for silent computing check out: http://www.silentpcreview.com/ there you can find out anything you need to know ;)
[15:26]  * genii sips his coffee and waits for the next support question
[15:29] <KubuntuJack> so the 7600GS, 8600GT and GTS chipsets are well supported by kubuntu/X/wine, and a good choice for general computing under linux?
[15:30] <azzco_> KubuntuJack: I haven't had any issues with my 7600Gs
[15:31] <Azzcp> !ghost
[15:31] <ubotu> On IRC, if you own a nick that is currently being used, you can make it quit by typing: /msg nickserv GHOST <username> <password>
[15:32] <KubuntuJack> Azzco: can you run compiiz too?
[15:32] <Azzco> KubuntuJack: Jupp, runs rather good
[15:32] <MilhousePunkRock> genii: In that case... Does Gutsy come with disk encryption by default? I have noticed messages about "crypto disks" after the latest fsck...
[15:33] <Azzco> KubuntuJack: I've had a few problems with the liveCDs though, if I remove the card I can boot a liveCD just fine but with the card... graphical issues
[15:33] <KubuntuJack> when is the next kubuntu coming out.  i am looking to use K4
[15:33] <jussio1> 24th april KubuntuJack
[15:34] <KubuntuJack> Azzco: am not really planning to run any live CDs.  any install probs with the 7600 ?
[15:35] <genii> MilhousePunkRock: I don't think crypt is installed by default, I had to manually install it. Although this may have changed on the latest
[15:35] <Azzco> KubuntuJack: Just the LiveCDs graphics issue, once (k)ubuntu and nvidia-glx-new is installed it's perfectly fine
[15:35] <KubuntuJack> will i be possible to migrate existing installations to the next kubuntu?  I had some problems when trying to switch windowmanagers (as an example), so ;)
[15:36] <MilhousePunkRock> genii: Well, it's Gutsy... And I have not installed anything for encryption myself, for sure. I do not think it is actually encrypting anything, since it does not ask for a passphrase, tough.
[15:37] <navaburo_> Could someone send me their ipw3945.ko file? I seem to have overwritten it!
[15:41] <genii> navaburo_: Perhaps reinstall linux-restricted-modules-2.6.22 as well as linux-ubuntu-modules-2.6.22 , these two packages are where this module originates
[15:41] <genii> bah he left
[15:41]  * jussio1 hugs genii
[15:41] <genii> I'm noticing of late this "Ask and run" trend
[15:42] <genii> jussio1: Heh, thanks
[15:42] <KubuntuJack> ok, thanks a lot for the help.  Now i just got to decide which one out of a bwildering amouunt of p5k baords i am gonna get.  Which is the right channel for discussing gfx cards and X/wine performance ?
[15:42] <genii> KubuntuJack: Wine -> #winehq
[15:43] <KubuntuJack> and xfree ?
[15:45] <genii> KubuntuJack: PErhaps #xorg for that, but I don't know for sure since don't normally hang out there
[15:46] <KubuntuJack> dwiddman: did you have gfx problems with the 8600GT booting the live CD ?
[15:46] <KubuntuJack> genii: thanks, yeah #xorg sound right.
[15:47] <Azzco> I've only noticed issues with 8800 GTS..
[15:49] <KubuntuJack> Azzco: so the 8600GT might be a better choice than 7600GS or 8600GTS ?
[15:50] <lovre> hi all
[15:50] <Azzco> KubuntuJack: I haven't got my hands over a 8600 at all so I'm not sure about that, I can only sya that one should stay away from 8800 for a while
[15:50] <lovre> is is possible in dolphin, when i press F4, instead of opening Konsole, to open some other terminal emulator software (lkike yakuake)?
[15:53] <MrUnagi> is it better to dist upgrade now and then dist upgrade again when it comes time for hardy............or is it best to fight the massively slow connections on the 25th
[15:55] <genii> MrUnagi: Since they usually freeze the release I imagine a dist upgrade sometime shortly before official release date would be sufficient
[15:56] <dwidmann> KubuntuJack: 8600gt worked fine after I installed the nvidia driver
[15:57] <genii> lovre: Perhaps set yakuake as default Terminal Emulator in System Settings ... Default Applications
[15:57] <KubuntuJack> Azzco: sorry didn't see the 8800GTS, thought you typed 8600 GTS ;)
[15:58] <dwidmann> also ....
[15:58] <KubuntuJack> gonna go and ask in xorg ;)  thanks for the help guys
[15:58] <dwidmann> !tab
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[15:59] <MikeyLDS> hey guys ... whats a good linux distro for running a server ... I wanna host my own website :P
[15:59] <KubuntuJack> dwidmann: cool didn't know about the tab.  will save me lot's of typing ;)
[16:00] <MikeyLDS> !fusion
[16:00] <ubotu> Kubuntu is not shipping with compiz installed or enabled by default. You can still install it and have your eyecandy goodness. The instructions are at https://help.ubuntu.com/community/CompositeManager/CompizFusion - further help in #compiz-fusion
[16:00] <genii> MikeyLDS: We're mostly biased towards ubuntu server of course :)
[16:01] <dwidmann> indeed
[16:03] <KubuntuJack> acutally one question appropriate for here.  how bg and what are the problems of booting and installing with a nvidea gfx card.  should be able to get through it, since it's normally just once in a while that I have to do that. does it not support vga/svga ?
[16:03] <Troofy> what is the most used ftp client ?
[16:03]  * dwidmann uses ftp for ftp
[16:04] <genii> Troofy: dwidmann is right. But I imagine you want something graphical. Konqueror is often used
[16:05]  * KubuntuJack loves konqueror
[16:05] <dwidmann> KubuntuJack: which nvidia gfx card in particular, it varies depending on whether vesa/nv support it or not
[16:05] <KubuntuJack> t
[16:05] <dwidmann> filezilla isn't bad
[16:05] <Troofy> ok
[16:05] <Troofy> genii i doesnt saves pwd and sites and usernames
[16:06] <KubuntuJack> aha, the ones i had in mind were 7600GS 8600GT/GTS
[16:06] <Troofy> genii konquieror
[16:06] <MikeyLDS> genii, i tried to install a ubuntu server both x86 and x64 but it said my cpu was too old ... but it's an E6400! lol
[16:06] <MikeyLDS> it's only a year old
[16:07] <dwidmann> KubuntuJack: 7600gt is vesa/nv safe, the other two aren't. the other two you'd have to install with alternate (ie: no live), boot into recovery and install nvidia, run nvidia-xconfig and from there on you're golden, worth it though.
[16:07] <dwidmann> MikeyLDS: and I presume it would call my Q9300 a dinosaur then o.O
[16:07] <KubuntuJack> dwidmann: aha, so it's a question of if the x vesa driver supports the chipset or not.  so if i get a new card, and have problems, chances are that next year it will be supported by a live CD too..?
[16:07] <MikeyLDS> lol dwidmann
[16:08] <MikeyLDS> i don't even know what the Q9300 is
[16:08] <Daisuke_Ido> MikeyLDS, quad core
[16:08] <Daisuke_Ido> or something
[16:08] <Daisuke_Ido> or not :D
[16:08]  * Daisuke_Ido pulls things out of thin air
[16:08] <MikeyLDS> OMG! :( it cost the same as I paid a year ago and is MUCH more powerful :'''''''''''''''''(
[16:09] <Daisuke_Ido> oh hey, i did guess right, it actually is a quad core
[16:09] <dwidmann> KubuntuJack: maybe, I don't know though
[16:09] <MikeyLDS> i have 2x 2.13ghz
[16:09] <MikeyLDS> he has 4x 2.5ghz :( <<< same price as I paid
[16:09] <dwidmann> MikeyLDS: :)
[16:09] <MikeyLDS> :(
[16:10] <genii> Troofy: The filezilla as dwidmann suggests, other popular are fireftp extension of firefox, kasablanca, kftpgrabber
[16:10]  * MikeyLDS plans to steal it :P
[16:11] <MikeyLDS> could i run a server off regular desktop kubuntu?
[16:11]  * dwidmann didn't like kasablanca, kftpgrabbertoo well due to various stability/usability issues
[16:12] <dwidmann> MikeyLDS: you probably can
[16:12] <KubuntuJack> ok, thanks again everyone.  off to bother the xorg guys ;)
[16:12] <dwidmann> KubuntuJack: have fun
[16:12] <Troofy> genii what do you sugestion?
[16:12] <MikeyLDS> probably dwidmann? I kinda need to know for sure! lol
[16:12] <dwidmann> MikeyLDS: to know for *sure* you'd have to try it :P
[16:13] <MikeyLDS> whats the major advantage of the actual server distro?
[16:13] <genii> Troofy: I like fireftp myself, and it's platform independent
[16:13] <genii> MikeyLDS: No gui
[16:14] <dwidmann> genii: filezilla, and ftp are relatively platform independent too, and I figure konqueror within a year probably will be too ehehehe
[16:15] <Troofy> genii thanks
[16:16] <MikeyLDS> well I'd prefer I gui so I'll stick with a desktop version and use terminal for the server coding
[16:17] <genii> MikeyLDS: The default server install also installs a preconfigured Apache2-MySQL-PHP, and the kernel can see > 4Gb of ram as well being optimised for multithreading as opposed to normal performance optimisations of generic kernel
[16:18] <dwidmann> genii: which reminds me, I really do need to get around to compiling myself a new kernel with some things set straight ...
[16:19] <MikeyLDS> hmmm, thanks genii
[16:20] <MikeyLDS> bbl ... time to switch from vista to kubuntu again :P
[16:20] <genii> MikeyLDS: np. If you have other Q #ubuntu-server chanel may help
[16:20] <MikeyLDS> lol, ta
[16:23] <sagie> hi, I cna't find kde4-core after adding the kde4 deb to source list. I have all the kde4 packages but no kde4-core. any clues?
[16:25] <dalek_> hi, anyone here. I'm new to bitchx. ^_^
[16:26] <dalek_> I just received my M1530 today and trying to load Ubuntu 7.1 on it. I keep getting Buffer I/O error on device sr0 when installing. anyone have any idea
[16:29] <PhilRod> dalek_: I just installed kubuntu on an M1530 recently, with no installation problems, so it's at least possible
[16:29] <PhilRod> (not the most helpful comment, I know, but gives you a data point)
[16:29] <Troofy> i want to run windows with linux, (linux as host) but i want independant hardware control. like pci port , com port, usb port, and hardware like pci tv card. pci modem. or com modem usb tv card. etc. how can i have it?
[16:29] <genii> dalek_: Sounds like a bad CD or bad CD drive
[16:42] <Troofy> i want to run windows with linux. linux as host. what are ways i can get usb, com, pci port support and the hardware attached to those ports. for windows?
[16:45] <Blues-Man> hi all
[16:45] <Blues-Man> i ve put wireless-linux 2.6 kernel on my kubuntu 8 and I can't mount any drive automatically anymore :/ what's wrong?
[16:46] <Blues-Man> i only see in dmesg that inotify is not present, could be this?
[16:54] <genii> Blues-Man: They may know something about it in #ubuntu+1
[16:55] <Blues-Man> thanks
[17:00] <typoe> Hi, I have a problem with the auto mounting of thumb drives. it quit working for me
[17:08] <typoe>  Hi, I have a problem with the auto mounting of thumb drives. it quit working
[17:08] <typoe>    for me
[17:09] <willa> Hi
[17:09] <typoe> hi
[17:11] <willa> wanted to know how to play a dvd with Kubuntu (first attempt _)
[17:11] <makdaknife> willa: try use kaffeine... you may need to install a few things first
[17:12] <typoe> just put it in, if its going to work it should just start up I think. Some dvds have new copy protection that seems to prevent linux from reading them tho
[17:12] <genii> xine libdvdcss2 etc etc
[17:12] <genii> !medibuntu
[17:12] <ubotu> medibuntu is a repository of packages that cannot be included into the Ubuntu distribution for legal reasons - See http://www.medibuntu.org
[17:12] <willa> thanks, tried but message as "
[17:12] <willa> 17:55:27: xine: couldn't find demux for >dvd:///dev/scd1<
[17:12] <willa> 17:55:26: xine: found input plugin : DVD Navigator"
[17:12] <willa> encountred
[17:14] <willa> thanks makdaknife
[17:22] <willa> bye
[17:23] <dalek_> woot, partitions formatting
[17:39] <Bredren> Hey there, still in fstab
[17:39] <Bredren> I put this : /dev/sdb1       /media/data/      ext3    defaults,noauto        0       0
[17:39] <Bredren> But After mount I can't writing on it
[17:39] <Bredren> What I am doing wrong ?
[17:39] <Bredren> anyone ?
[17:39] <Bredren> Sry 4 my bad english...
[17:46] <genii> Bredren: defaults,user,noauto   will let regular user do mount process to that drive. To put data there you need to make a folder which the user owns, this must be done with admin rights
[17:48] <fat-head> i am having problems with kubuntu every now and then i cant use the keyboard including shortcuts and i am restricted to useing the mouse to log out then my keyboard works
[17:48] <fat-head> anyone help me ?
[17:49] <genii> Bredren: After mount, something like:  sudo mkdir /media/data/mydata; sudo chown -R mysername:myusername /media/data/mydata                       but use of course the correct user name
[17:59] <nyko> genii: i got a problem
[17:59] <genii> nyko: Welcome back. The machine is odd since attempting the editing for mouse in xorg.conf ?    Or some other issue?
[18:00] <nyko> genii: i have try to put 2 input select whit 2 king of mouse and my kubuntu not start anymore but i have enter in recovery and delete the input logitech thing and kubuntu work back
[18:00] <nyko> kind *
[18:00] <nyko> genii: so now i get to cry to try to repair my mouse problem :(
[18:02] <genii> nyko: So the machine is like before now where mouse works again but just not extra buttons/features supported?
[18:02] <nyko> yeah your right but she going sleep again lol
[18:03] <genii> gah
[18:03] <nyko> :P
[18:03] <nyko> now i log for 5 min and not sleep but i waithing lol
[18:03] <genii> nyko: I think you should just invest in a different mouse ....
[18:04] <nyko> lol i pay like 120 $ :P
[18:04] <nyko> can
[18:06] <genii> nyko: Tell me from konsole what command: cat /sys/module/usbcore/parameters/autosuspend                                                      reports
[18:06] <genii> work requires me, expect lag in replies
[18:08] <nyko> ok
[18:08] <nyko> 2
[18:12] <jimmy51vinsky> hello, i'm wanting to run 64 bit kubuntu.  i'm running on a 64 bit intel machine, should i download the 64-bit PC (AMD64) desktop CD?
[18:12] <jussi01> jimmy51vinsky: correct
[18:12] <lovre> does any1 use yakuake?
[18:12] <jimmy51vinsky> ok, thanks.  the AMD threw me off
[18:13] <jussi01> lovre: yes, I do
[18:13] <nyko> genii:  2
[18:14] <genii> nyko: Ok. then to disable it for now, : cat -1 | sudo tee -a /sys/module/usbcore/parameters/autosuspend
[18:14] <lovre> jussi01: maybe you could help me with something. I am trying to make dolphin bump yakuake instead of Konsole when F4 pressed. Do you know if there is a way to bump yakuake from KRun dialog?
[18:14] <Bredren> genii: thank for you help :)
[18:14] <lovre> jussi01: if there is, than i can use it to alter dolphin source code.
[18:14] <genii> Bredren: You're welcome
[18:14] <jussi01> lovre: its really actually simple
[18:15] <lovre> jussi01: do you care to elaborat
[18:15] <lovre> e
[18:15] <jussi01> lovre: just go to system settings -> default apps -Terminal emulator
[18:15] <genii> nyko: I think we need to add a line to /etc/rc.local so that it happens every boot in this case
[18:15] <lovre> jussi01: that did not seem to work for me... does it work for you? have you tried it?
[18:15] <lovre> jussi01: do i need to restart X or something?
[18:16] <jussi01> lovre: likely
[18:17] <lovre> jussi01: the problem is, konsole is being ran every time, but yakuake is allways running in background. Setting it as default terminal emulator will make the system try to run it every time it was supposed to, but yakuake does not respond to that since its allready running. I need a command to bump it, like the F12 button does. do you understand what i mean?
[18:18] <nyko> genii: ok where i had that ?
[18:18] <nyko> genii: like 10 min i play now and nothing sleep for now
[18:18] <genii> nyko: so then, alt-f2     and: kdesu kate /etc/rc.local                          add just above the line exit 0        te same line we just did now: echo -1 | sudo tee -a /sys/module/usbcore/parameters/autosuspend
[18:19] <genii> Although I can't recall if sudo is actually required there
[18:20] <nyko> genii: that work anyway
[18:20] <lovre> i need a shell command for bumping yakuake
[18:21] <nyko> genii:
[18:21] <nyko> exit 0
[18:21] <nyko> echo -1 | sudo tee -a /sys/module/usbcore/parameters/autosuspend
[18:21] <nyko> like that ?
[18:21] <nyko> on 3 line ?
[18:21] <jussi01> lovre: I just looked into it, it doesnt seem to have one (at least the man pages are quite bare)
[18:21] <jussi01> !paste | nyko
[18:21] <ubotu> nyko: pastebin is a service to post large texts so you don't flood the channel. The Ubuntu pastebin is at http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org (be sure to give the URL of your paste - see also the #kubuntu channel topic)
[18:21] <genii> nyko: No, the exit 0      needs to be last line
[18:22] <nyko> okok
[18:23] <nyko> i got a nsplugingviewer error to when i surf on the internet
[18:24] <lovre> jussi01: too bad
[18:25] <jussi01> lovre: bit weird, its not the open command we need, its a new tab command
[18:26] <genii> nyko: About the nsplugin thing I do not know
[18:27] <nyko> gen
[18:27] <nyko> genii:  * ok thanks
[18:27] <nyko> join kubuntu-fr
[18:27] <nyko> oups
[18:29] <lovre> jussi01: the ppl at yakuake said this command: dcop yakuake DCOPInterface slotToggleState
[18:30] <jussi01> lovre: ahh, ok, sounds about right
[18:37] <Blues-Man> I can't see battery state anymore with the kernel upgrade, but I see state with acpi -V in the shell, how can I put the applet again?
[18:38] <llutz> try starting "guidance-power-manager"
[18:39] <nado> servus
[18:40] <Blues-Man> i got a trackstate error
[18:40] <Blues-Man> in the HAL call
[18:40] <Blues-Man> with python
[18:40] <nado> hab grad ne prinzipielle frage, find aber die antwort in meinem skript nich.... wenn ich ne komplexe zahl in der form z=a + bi hab, wie mach ich daraus die form z=e^iw ?
[18:41] <nado> whoops wrong channel
[18:41] <Blues-Man> how can I fix my hal system? I think there are lots of problem with this kernel update
[18:42] <Blues-Man> * Can't start Hardware abstraction layer - enable inotify support in your kernel
[18:43] <Blues-Man> there is..maybe the other item
[18:43] <Blues-Man> grrrr
[18:43] <jussio1> Blues-Man: are you on hardy?
[18:43] <Blues-Man> yes
[18:44] <jussio1> Blues-Man: I suggest you ask in #ubuntu+1 the channel for hardy support :)
[18:44] <Blues-Man> ah ok :)
[18:47] <jimmy51vinsky> i've just booted to the kubuntu install CD and run qparted.  how come i can't resize my sda1 partition (where i have kubuntu installed) ?
[18:48] <jussio1> jimmy51vinsky: is it mounted?
[18:48] <jimmy51vinsky> it us
[18:48] <jimmy51vinsky> it is
[18:48] <jimmy51vinsky> umount sda1?
[18:49] <jussio1> jimmy51vinsky: yeah, unmount it :)
[18:49] <p_quarles> jimmy51vinsky: that's the command, yes, but you usually need a live disk
[18:49] <jussio1> then you should beable to do things to it
[18:49] <jussio1> p_quarles: he is on the live disk
[18:50] <lovre> need help installing dolphin. I finished "make", how do i install it now?
[18:50] <jimmy51vinsky> make install?
[18:50] <lovre> i have dolphin installed allready, and i would like to install modified version over it
[18:50] <jussio1> lovre: what does the readme say? ;)
[18:51] <lovre> maybe it doesnt want to be installed because i allready have it installed'
[18:51] <lovre> make install should do. but doesnt..
[18:52] <jussio1> lovre: that sounds right.
[18:52] <p_quarles> lovre: if make install doesn't work, something went wrong with the earlier steps -- check the logs
[18:52] <jussio1> lovre: once its made you should be able to run it from that locatiion anyway
[18:53] <lovre> jussio1: by running what file?
[18:54] <jussio1> lovre: Im guessing the dolphin executable, it will be somewhere in the directory where you did make
[18:54] <lovre> jussio1: this is the ls output of the directory : http://pastebin.com/m7f30ba1b
[18:55] <jussi01> lovre: hrmm... did it create its own dir one level down perhaps?
[18:55] <jimmy51vinsky> ok, sda1 is not mounted, and i still can't resize it
[18:55] <jimmy51vinsky> is it because it's active?
[18:55] <p_quarles> lovre: if make install didn't work (again!) that means that make didn't work, and you don't actually have a binary executable -- you need to find out what went wrong
[18:57] <lovre> p_quarles: here is the make output. http://pastebin.com/m157cea8e can you please take a look and see, i think it went ok
[18:57] <p_quarles> lovre: okay, I see no errors there -- what happened when you ran make install?
[19:00] <nyko> genii: i have to reboot after ?
[19:00] <lovre> p_quarles: just a second.
[19:00] <lovre> p_quarles: im trying again
[19:00] <lovre> p_quarles: im worried cuz i have dolphin installed allready. Should it just overwrite?
[19:00] <jimmy51vinsky> should i just give up on the kubuntu CD and try to make a partedmagic USB key?
[19:02] <p_quarles> jimmy51vinsky: the live CD shouldn't normally mount any drives anyway, so I'm not sure what to tell you; trying somethign other than qtparted couldn't hurt -- it's an old-ish program
[19:02] <genii> nyko: No, since we manually made the change for this time. Unless the mouse was dead when you made the command, in that case to reboot.
[19:02] <jimmy51vinsky> does the live cd have another partition resizing method?
[19:02] <lovre> p_quarles: this is the output of "make install": http://pastebin.com/m352f52e5
[19:03] <lovre> p_quarles: maybe i should sudo it...
[19:03] <p_quarles> lovre: yes, you have to sudo it
[19:03] <p_quarles> if you didn't, that's the entire problem ;)
[19:03] <lovre> p_quarles: omg, im like, stupid or something
[19:04] <p_quarles> lovre: no worries; after you run it, run "which dolphin" -- you should see executables in /usr/bin and in /usr/local/bin -- if so, everything went good
[19:05] <lovre> p_quarles:  i just see /usr/bin/dolphin
[19:05] <p_quarles> oops -- make that "which -a dolphin"
[19:05] <lovre> same result
[19:06] <p_quarles> hmm -- so what was the result of make install when run as root?
[19:07] <lovre> p_quarles: it installed dolphin. Now i have it running, seems so. But i dont see the bookmarks nor the info bar anymore
[19:07] <lovre> p_quarles: donno...
[19:07] <lovre> p_quarles: ok, thank you for your help, i will try to build it once more. Thank you
[19:07] <lovre> p_quarles: cya
[19:07] <p_quarles> lovre: maybe the make file was setup to overwrite the already installed dolphin ... weird
[19:08] <lovre> p_quarles: it was, it overwrited it.
[19:09] <lovre> p_quarles: where do i set the default file manager?
[19:09] <lovre> p_quarles: it reseted it to konquerror
[19:09] <p_quarles> lovre: off the top of my head, it's kcontrol > components > file associations > inode
[19:09] <jussio1> !dolphin | lovre
[19:09] <ubotu> lovre: Dolphin, or more properly D3lphin, is the new default file manager for Kubuntu 7.10 Gutsy Gibbon. If you would like to make Konqueror your default file manager again, go to Konqueror - Settings menu - Configure Konqueror - File Associations and change the association for inode/directory and inode/system_directory to Konqueror at the top rather than Dolphin.
[19:10] <p_quarles> ubotu raises a good point there -- try "which -a d3lphin"
[19:11] <fdoving> i think the dolphin in kubuntu is de3lphin, it's patched to be named dolphin
[19:12] <lovre> fdoving: same result, /usr/bin/d3lphin
[19:12] <p_quarles> fdoving: my thought was that the "dolphin" executable is perhaps a symlink
[19:12] <lovre> p_quarles: how do i show bookmarks and info folders?
[19:13] <p_quarles> lovre: I use konqueror, so I can't help with that one
[19:13] <fdoving> p_quarles: it is.
[19:15] <nyko> why my ktorrent not start
[19:17] <JoshOvki> open up a terminal and run   ktorrent
[19:17] <JoshOvki> if there is something wrong it will show some error information
[19:17] <cannon> hey all ... I need help accessing my usb memory stick
[19:17] <cannon> i have no idea where to find it
[19:18] <JoshOvki> cannon: it should show up in a folder called  Media
[19:18] <philipp_> may someone type "nc 84.113.19.95 8080" in the terminal
[19:19] <JoshOvki> if i remember correctly there should be something that looks like a computers on your panel, from there click Media
[19:19] <jussi01> storage media actually ;)
[19:20] <cannon> i'm in media but all I see is disk drives ... my 4gb usb isn't in there at all
[19:20]  * jussi01 hugs JoshOvki 
[19:20] <JoshOvki> sorry (im on kde4 ;) )
[19:20] <JoshOvki> philipp_: is there anything that i should expect to happen?
[19:24] <cannon> how do I get access to my usb stick pls?
[19:25] <stefan-f> Hello all :)
[19:25] <Odd-rationale> hello
[19:26] <stefan-f> what is the best way to do an image from a production system that can not be disabled?
[19:26] <fdoving> rsync maybe?
[19:26] <stefan-f> I found partimage but that there is necassary to shut down the server.
[19:28] <genii> I agree with fdoving on the rsync for live machine backup
[19:28] <stefan-f> can I get the hole OS with all applications with rsync?
[19:28] <stefan-f> fdoving?
[19:28] <fdoving> yes, leave out /proc, /sys, and /dev - or something like that.
[19:29] <fdoving> then test and make adjustments :)
[19:31] <stefan-f> hmm
[19:31] <fdoving> stefan-f: there is of course drdb (raid 1 over tcp/ip) - which is nice if you want to mirror say / on a server to live on two boxes.
[19:31] <fdoving> I use it with vservers
[19:32] <stefan-f> yes, of course, it seems my next project is a mailcluster and I will use drbd there...
[19:33] <stefan-f> drbd is in that sitation with that machine no option
[19:36] <serenity> hi there
[19:37] <pteague> how do i get the tree view in dolphin? or how do i get it to use konqueror instead?
[19:39] <yuriy> !aptfix
[19:39] <ubotu> If an APT front-end crashed and your database is locked, try this in a !terminal: « sudo fuser -vki /var/lib/dpkg/lock;sudo dpkg --configure -a »
[19:40] <lovre> i did it!
[19:41] <jussio1> lovre: great!
[19:41] <lovre> i modified d3lphin to open yakuake insted of konsole, and direct it to current location
[19:41] <lovre> if some1 needs a source, i can send it...
[19:41] <lovre> or build..
[19:42] <Seren> is it safe to upgrade to the -14 kernel ?
[19:43] <Seren> I have seen people saying they don't have any sound anymore
[19:44] <jessica> yes i upgraded and found it quite stable
[19:44] <lovre> whats the command to update db for locate function?
[19:44] <jessica> most problems are resolved but i would just check your hardware with current bugs still not fixed
[19:44] <serenity> hi
[19:44] <jimmy51vinsky> is it brain surgury to install a second kubuntu install on a second partition without changing the MBR?
[19:45] <genii> lovre: updatedb
[19:45] <lovre> ok, thanx
[19:46] <lovre> another problem. When i try to run Dolphin with Katapult, it says error, cannot find executable.
[19:46] <lovre> but when i run "dolphin" from konsole, it works ok
[19:47] <Seren> did you try d3lphin ?
[19:47] <lovre> Seren: yes, not working
[19:47] <lovre> Seren: seems its catalog is not sorted properly
[19:48] <Seren> you could try to erase the catalogs
[19:49] <Seren> or uninstall/reinstall katapult
[19:49] <lovre> Seren: any idea how to erase the catalogs?
[19:49] <lovre> Seren: maybe it will update catalogs in time
[19:49] <Seren> if you try "locate katapult" you'll find a list of catalogs
[19:49] <Seren> but I have no idea if it is safe to move them around
[19:50] <lovre> Seren: it shows the right icon whe i write DOLPHIN in it, just wont start
[19:50] <Seren> that's pretty weird
[19:50] <lovre> Seren: hmm, i dont see catalog candidate file in locate output
[19:51] <lovre> Seren: .so files are compiled, am i right?
[19:52] <Seren> try file *.so
[19:52] <Seren> it will tell you something about the type
[19:52] <Seren> you might be right I dunno :)
[19:52] <lovre> returns nothing
[19:52] <lovre> command not found
[19:52] <Seren> katapult_bookmarkcatalog.so: ELF 32-bit LSB shared object,
[19:53] <Seren> it is compiled object
[19:53] <lovre> Seren: ... so i dont know where it stores its catalogues
[19:53] <Seren> I am trying to guess
[19:53] <lovre> Seren: it cant store it in a binary file...
[19:53] <Seren> the only files I opened where not applications catalogs
[19:54] <lovre> locate katapult | grep catalog
[19:55] <Seren> it returns about 20 entry on my installation
[19:55] <lovre> none of those seem to be what i need. :(
[19:55] <Seren> http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/62061/
[19:55] <Seren> yeah I agree
[19:56] <Seren> I don't know where the information is stored
[19:56] <Seren> in the katapult options
[19:56] <Seren> did you try "catalog application by executable names" ?
[19:57] <Seren> it might add "dolphin" to your list
[19:57] <lovre> hmm
[19:57] <Seren> it is in Catalogs\Program catalog
[19:57] <lovre> i see
[19:57] <lovre> it added a line, but it has some options that make it not work
[19:57] <Troofy> is there a way to emulate the pci port into a usb or com port. (the computer will see the pci port as com or usb port) ?
[19:58] <lovre> dolphin %i %m -caption %c
[19:58] <lovre> that is the string used to run dolphin when folder is clicked i suppose
[19:58] <lovre> :S
[19:59] <Seren> from kdemenuedit
[19:59] <Seren> I see that I am running : d3lphin %i -caption "%c" "%u"
[19:59] <Seren> when I click on the link
[20:00] <Seren> dolphin is a symbolic link to d3lphin
[20:01] <lovre> Seren: you are right. I solved it
[20:01] <Seren> I don't know if it has any consequence on the way katapult work
[20:02] <lovre> Seren: the problem was, there was dolphin and d3lphin. dolphin was pointing to nothing since there is no dolphin. I deleted it and now running "d3lphin" from katapult works
[20:02] <lovre> im used to writing "dolphin"  but i will get used to it
[20:02] <lovre> i just have to write d3 :D
[20:02] <Troofy> how to chant apt to use a proxy instead , to download apps?
[20:03] <Seren> you could probably try to create a symbolic link from /usr/bin/dolphin -> /usr/bin/d3lphin
[20:03] <Odd-rationale> Troofy: let me get link...
[20:03] <lovre> Seren: that should work...
[20:03] <Odd-rationale> Troofy: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/AptGetHowto#head-09fab4df311ef78d0376d13547043811307c49fa
[20:04] <lovre> Seren: do you know why "//home/user/" works same as "/home/user/"
[20:04] <Seren> no
[20:04] <lovre> Seren: i put two slashes at the beginning by mistake, but it seems to work. I dont want to build it again if it works like this looool
[20:04] <Troofy> Odd-rationale how to undo method 1 ?
[20:06] <pteague> how do i get kde to realize my samba shared printer is not on mshome?
[20:08] <Odd-rationale> Troofy: I'm not sure. It says it is temporary. so it probably won't persist after reboot or somthing...
[20:09] <Troofy> Odd-rationale i does. i have added it in a file. i dont remember where?
[20:09] <Seren> pteague > if you launch the kde printer setup tool you can scan other networks than mshome as far as I remember
[20:10] <Odd-rationale> Troofy: method 2? or 3?
[20:10] <jimmy51vinsky> i just booted and installed kubuntu amd64 7.10.  is there any way to make sure i'm actually running in 64 bit?
[20:10] <stefan-f> when I have a partimage image, can I have a restore on a different machine?
[20:11] <Troofy> Odd-rationale got i t. i add it in : /etc/bash.bashrc  . i just del it
[20:11] <Odd-rationale> Troofy: ok
[20:11] <Troofy> Odd-rationale thank:)
[20:11] <Odd-rationale> np
[20:12] <Seren> jimmy51vinsky: try "uname -a" in console
[20:12] <Seren> it should say somewhere that  you are using a x64 kernel
[20:12] <jimmy51vinsky> x86_64 reported.  thanks Seren
[20:14] <Nyad> Hi. I was just wondering about this. KDE4.1 is scheduled for either July or August Im not too sure when. and Hardy is out in 21days. so then we won't be getting 4.1 and will have to upgrade ourselves right?
[20:14] <Seren> Nyad: you are right
[20:14] <adz21c> Nyad: i would think thats the case
[20:14] <Nyad> :(
[20:15] <adz21c> Nyad: however u would think the same for 4.0 on gutsy so maybe someone will ppa it
[20:15] <Seren> kde 4.1 will probably be the default for intrepid ibex
[20:15] <Nyad> ppa?
[20:15] <Seren> so you have to patient 6 more months
[20:15] <Nyad> whats intrepid ibex?
[20:15] <so> hola
[20:15] <Seren> novembre release of (K)ubuntu
[20:16] <Seren> but there will be backports to hardy heron in the mean time
[20:16] <Seren> you can already try kde 4.0.3 on gutsy or hardy, but it is not stable
[20:17] <Troofy> how to know what distro or os iam using?
[20:17] <Nyad> yeah I have 4.03 but a number of things don't work
[20:18] <Seren> troofy : cat /etc/apt/sources.list should tell you in which repositories you are taking your packets
[20:19] <Seren> and uname -a which kernel you are running
[20:20] <stefan-f> Troffy: lsb_release -a
[20:20] <Seren> if those commands does not work you are not on a Unix based system :p
[20:20] <pteague> how do i get kde to realize that i'm not a part of the mshome workgroup?  my /etc/samba/smb.conf doesn't even have a reference to mshome
[20:20] <Seren> pteague : "launch "kcontrol" there is a samba section
[20:21] <Seren> in Internet & network
[20:21] <venik> I am struggling with PERMISSIONS for a USB hard drive.  The fstab entry for it reads:
[20:22] <venik>   /dev/sdd1 /media/LACIE auto users,atime,auto,rw,dev,exec,suid 0 0
[20:22] <pteague> Seren> ok, looking in there without clicking the administrator mode button the workgroup is the correct workgroup that is in my /etc/samba/smb.conf file... which is *not* mshome
[20:22] <venik> but when I try to write to it, it denies me access
[20:22] <venik> I tried: any user can read or write, etc., but nothing changes
[20:23] <Seren> pteague : I think that kubuntu (kde ?) use another file next to smb.conf to configure samba ( but no idea where it is, in .kde maybe )
[20:24] <pteague> Seren> in network settings -> domain name system tab maybe? that's set to be exactly the same as my smb workgroup :(
[20:25] <Seren> pteague : FYI I didn't manage to install a printer which is on the windows machine next to me, so I am probably not the best person to help you.
[20:25] <Seren> ( It works once and now I can't even "see" the printer )
[20:25] <pteague> sad thing is this was much easier to do under gnome...
[20:28] <pteague> unfortunately if i put in the correct workgroup name & the correct server name apparently there is no way in hell that it can scan those or give me a list of options... i automatically have to know exactly the name of the printer... i can't even connect via smb protocol in konqueror (why the hell does dolphin keep wanting this privilege?) to give me a list of printers... it'll only give me a list of shared folders
[20:28] <venik> any help available for writing/erasing permission on a USB external hard drive?  It refuses to allow me writing privileges
[20:28] <Seren> venik : your external drive is formated in ntfs probably
[20:28] <Seren> do you have ntfs-3g installed ?
[20:28] <venik> Vfat
[20:29] <Seren> can you natively write to vfat with ubuntu ?
[20:29] <venik> it USED to work just fine, and I have not reformatted it.  But I did have to modify the fstab file, since the system started ignoring this drive
[20:29] <venik> I think Vfat is fat32
[20:30] <Seren> ok
[20:30] <Troofy> Seren ok
[20:33] <Troofy> dpkg: error processing heimdal-kdc (--configure):
[20:33] <Troofy>  subprocess post-installation script returned error exit status 1
[20:33] <Troofy> Errors were encountered while processing:
[20:33] <Troofy>  heimdal-kdc
[20:33] <Troofy> E: Sub-process /usr/bin/dpkg returned an error code (1)
[20:37] <snikker>  i'm unable to get songs titles (audio-cd) with amarok 1.4.8 (on kubuntu 7.10) can you help me?
[20:38] <Troofy> dpkg: error processing heimdal-kdc (--configure):  subprocess post-installation script returned error exit status 1  Errors were encountered while processing: heimdal-kdc
[20:38] <Troofy> E: Sub-process /usr/bin/dpkg returned an error code (1)
[20:41] <root> hola
[20:45] <Griz> Hey Gang. Gutsy on PPC. Can I upgrade from Edgy to Gutsy, via the CD? or do I need to boot the machine to the cd and reinstall?
[20:46] <emilsedgh> Griz: you need the alternate disc to upgrade or you could download all packages
[20:46] <emilsedgh> !alternate
[20:46] <ubotu> The Alternate CD is a classical text-mode install CD. It supports a wider range of hardware than the !LiveCD, and can also be used as an upgrade CD.  Look for the alternate checkbox on the Ubuntu download page - See also !minimal
[20:47] <Xcerca> if i copy a xorg.conf that worked in one debian distro to kubutnu should it work...  assuming the paths are the same and modules are already loaded ?
[20:48] <Seren> emilsedgh: what happen if the new version of package is not on the alternate CD ?
[20:48] <Xcerca> or would it be any diff ?
[20:48] <Griz> emilsedgh, ouch. :-(  the standard CD took forever. Oh Well.
[20:48] <Seren> does it cancel the install ?
[20:49] <emilsedgh> Seren: it will just not ugrade i think
[20:49] <Seren> griz > if you are patient enough you can get a CD through ship it
[20:50] <Griz> Seren, hahahaha. Thank You but no. The client doesn't want to wait. You know how they can be. :-\
[20:50] <Seren> I don't know if they ship alternate CD though
[20:50]  * Signil is away: Gone away for now.
[20:55] <Xcerca> can anyone help me with nvidia-setting , i am trying to add another resolution 1360x768 , anyway to add a metamode in my xorg.conf ?  the edges of the display are spilling of of the monitor and i can't see thinks too well ?  i have a xorg.conf that worked in another debian distro..
[20:58] <bechtel> hi habe n problem beim installieren von opera kann mir jmd helfen ?
[20:59] <Bauldrick> hi - I can't get ktorrent to download faster than 10KB
[20:59] <jussio1> !de | bechtel
[20:59] <ubotu> bechtel: Deutschsprachige Hilfe fuer Probleme mit Ubuntu, Kubuntu und Edubuntu finden Sie in den Kanaelen #ubuntu-de, #kubuntu-de, #xubuntu-de und #edubuntu-de
[21:01] <bechtel> thx @ ubitu -> sry @ jussio
[21:01] <sourcemaker> which kde version are you using? kde3 or kde4?
[21:02] <Bauldrick> sourcemaker: me? kde3 (4 is installed though)
[21:14] <Xcerca> anybody installed grub-gfx ?
[21:14] <Xcerca> thats the program fro graphical grub menus correct ?
[21:15] <ubuntu> is it possible to eject a cd tray from over a samba network?
[21:17] <sculework> unlikely
[21:17] <SlimeyPete> ubuntu: no.
[21:20] <Nyad> How do I uninstall my Nvidia drivers?
[21:21] <Xcerca> Nyad  why do you need to do that?       apt-get remove nvidia
[21:21] <pteague> where are screenshots saved?
[21:22] <Nyad> Xcerca: your right, I don't tnx
[21:22] <Xcerca> Nyad   , have you used nvidia-settings at all,  i'm trying to add a higher res.. ?
[21:23] <Nyad> the nvidia x-config app?
[21:23] <Nyad> yes
[21:23] <Xcerca> is that what you use nvidia x-config ?
[21:23] <moises> ola galera boa tarde
[21:23] <Xcerca> i haven't tried that
[21:23] <moises> como uso o konpete?
[21:23] <Nyad> Xcerca: it should be in the Kmenu
[21:24] <Xcerca> i've always had to konsole    sudo nvidia-settings
[21:25] <Xcerca> but it doesn't have the res for my screen, which is 1360x768
[21:27] <pteague> anybody know how i can configure the system tray?  i've got 2 different sized xchat icons & the icons in the system tray aren't collapsing into 2 rows
[21:27] <Nyad> Xcerca:  well Im not too sure but try get it to detect your monitor Type or something like that
[21:27] <Nyad> then it might be available
[21:30] <Xcerca> anyody know how to install the grub-gfx package,  i don't even know if thats what its called,  but nothings showing up in synaptic
[21:31] <genii> Xcerca: Perhaps you're thinking of grub-splashimages
[21:32] <Xcerca> is that for changing grub from the boring menu to a not boring menu ?
[21:32] <Xcerca> i thought it was called grub-gfx for some reason...  huu
[21:34] <_myrtille_> !de
[21:34] <ubotu> Deutschsprachige Hilfe fuer Probleme mit Ubuntu, Kubuntu und Edubuntu finden Sie in den Kanaelen #ubuntu-de, #kubuntu-de, #xubuntu-de und #edubuntu-de
[21:37] <pteague> is there a way to get the clock applet to show me utc instead of local time?
[21:39] <Jucato> pteague: right-click -> Show Timezone
[21:39] <pteague> nm
[21:39] <Jucato> :)
[21:39] <pteague> yeah, i found out i had to add it as a time zone, then i could do that
[21:39] <Ertain> Hello everyone.  How do I restart my sound server?
[21:40] <pteague> i'm not liking the 'UTC' attached at the end... i've got 2 clocks right next to each other... 1 to show local & the other for UTC... i think i know which is which
[21:41] <Jucato> pteague: when you hover your mouse over the clock, you can see the time in all the timezones you setup
[21:42] <Troofy> when i try to configure wine by settings>wine this appears. http://img179.imageshack.us/img179/4903/snapshot1yd5.png any help?
[21:42] <pleaseandthankyo> have you ever been bullied extensively by your psychologist or someone lower than you who assumes the role of psychologist? what to do when your psychologist see you and know what your problems are and then bully me/you? what would you do? would you change your career so you can become a psychologist? you can't get helped with the police because police helps them.
[21:42] <pteague> yeah, but i want an at a glance...
[21:43] <SlimeyPete> !ops
[21:43] <ubotu> Help! Riddell, Tm_T, fdoving, Mez, stdin, jpatrick, seth_k, apokryphos, nalioth, Hobbsee, robotgeek, imbrandon, gnomefreak, Hawkwind, trappist, LjL, Jucato,  haggai, fooishbar, crimsun, seth, apokryphos, DBO, nixternal, PriceChild or jussi01!
[21:43] <snowolf> lol
[21:43] <nixternal> :p
[21:43] <Jucato> pfft
[21:43] <pteague> pleaseandthankyo> go away, kthnxbyenow
[21:43] <nixternal> hahaha
[21:44] <SlimeyPete> :)
[21:44] <Xbehave> how do i install java 64 bit?
[21:45] <Jucato> !64
[21:45] <ubotu> AMD64 and EMT64 are fully supported architectures on Ubuntu. See http://tinyurl.com/jv6tc for more information.
[21:45] <Ace2016> !32
[21:45] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about 32 - try searching on http://ubotu.ubuntu-nl.org/factoids.cgi
[21:45] <Ace2016> :(
[21:45] <Ace2016> thats so unfair
[21:46] <ryanakca> !java64 | Xbehave
[21:46] <ubotu> Xbehave: You can run Flash, Real, and Java plugins in AMD64 bit computers with Firefox. see the steps to follow at https://help.ubuntu.com/community/FirefoxAMD64FlashJava
[21:46] <ryanakca> Xbehave: you'll want to read that too
[21:46] <Ace2016> is there a list of apps which have problems on 64bit?
[21:46] <Troofy> when i try to configure wine by settings>wine this appears. http://img179.imageshack.us/img179/4903/snapshot1yd5.png any help?
[21:47] <Dark-Alien-Core> hello guys can you help me please i have an problem with my background i cant change it
[21:47] <Xbehave> thx ill read that but theres no java plugin for 64 (well official sun anyway) and im only wanting it for azureus
[21:47] <ryanakca> Dark-Alien-Core: can you right click your desktop, configure desktop, background?
[21:48] <Dark-Alien-Core> yes i have it i can change but it dont work
[21:48] <Dark-Alien-Core> my picture is on the dektop and when i eraise is it then my desktop is blue :(
[21:49] <Xbehave> Dark-Alien-Core: id this a recuring problem or has it just happend?
[21:50] <Dark-Alien-Core> hm it came for 2 weeks ago
[21:50] <Dark-Alien-Core> i have nothing do
[21:50] <JAM> i'm on the 8.04 beta and aMSN doesn't work D:
[21:51] <JAM> keeps complaining about TLS
[21:51] <jack_spratt> the learning sepulchre?
[21:51] <Xbehave> hmm well its not just that the desktop drawing program has crashed them, thats all my knowledge gone
[21:52] <Dark-Alien-Core> ok so what can i do
[21:52] <Dark-Alien-Core> ohh
[21:53] <Dark-Alien-Core> ok i have copy an other picture to my desktop and have rename it to the old picture and he has change it lol
[21:55] <JasonWard> how do I download the kernel header files for installing my nvidia drivers
[21:55] <Troofy> can some one  help?  W: GPG error: http://wine.budgetdedicated.com gutsy Release: The following signatures couldn't be verified because the public key is not available: NO_PUBKEY 58403026387EE263
[22:10] <JuJuBee> My audio setting keep reverting back to "muted" after I shut down.  How do I fix this?
[22:21] <gmatyi> hi
[22:21] <bobleny> Any one know of a good partitioning tool?
[22:21] <BonesolTeraDyne> bobleny: GParted
[22:22] <RogueJediX> bobleny: qtparted
[22:23] <bobleny> Ok, thanks! I'll take a look...
[22:23] <jack_spratt> acronis
[22:26] <Ch1ppy> hey, I'm having a trouble with my video; when I try to play it (in any video player) the video will not play; I can hear sound, but I only get a screen with random colours on it for an image.  Can anyone help me out?
[22:27] <cracko> hmm maybe problem with codecs ??
[22:27] <Ch1ppy> no; I've had this problem before, and it goes away if I restart
[22:27] <Ch1ppy> however, restarting seems like overkill as a solution ;)
[22:28] <jack_spratt> not enough vram?
[22:28] <Ch1ppy> I've got more than enough
[22:29] <Ch1ppy> oh hey; video works in mplayer, but not in kaffeine, vlc, Movie Player or gxine
[22:29] <Ch1ppy> still, I'd like to get it working in those others; I strongly dislike mplayer
[22:29] <emil_> hi all
[22:29] <jack_spratt> sounds like codecs, one app using one codec antother using another
[22:30] <Ch1ppy> hm
[22:30] <rony> sera a tutti
[22:30] <jack_spratt> dont know why restarting would help,  there are possible explanations
[22:30] <jack_spratt> you can try reinstalling codecs or players and see if that helps ch1ppy
[22:31] <rony> sera
[22:31] <Ch1ppy> I just went through all my running programs; the only one that would be using ANY codecs is amarok, and I don't think that would do it
[22:32] <emil_> who made fundamentals of linux?
[22:33] <jack_spratt> emil_: linus himself
[22:33] <jack_spratt> as a student in finland i believe
[22:34] <jack_spratt> wrote it. but depends what you mean by linux and fundamentals :)
[22:36] <Ch1ppy> ...Does anyone know why X would be using up 400MB of RAM?
[22:38] <jack_spratt> because its buggy?
[22:38] <jack_spratt> logout and in
[22:39] <Ch1ppy> haha
[22:39] <Ch1ppy> k
[22:43] <emil_> i refer who made in this chat
[22:46] <timewriter> hi
[22:46] <timewriter> anyone knows how to install a new KDE theme
[22:47] <Ace2016> yea
[22:47] <Ace2016> download it
[22:47] <timewriter> i did
[22:47] <Ace2016> extract it
[22:47] <timewriter> i have the tar.gz on my desktop
[22:47] <timewriter> ok
[22:47] <Ace2016> tar -xvzf file.tar.gz
[22:47] <timewriter> i did that
[22:48] <Ace2016> ok then read the README file
[22:48] <Ace2016> which theme is this?
[22:48] <timewriter> AZENIS
[22:48] <Ace2016> or INSTALL
[22:48] <timewriter> and it has no readme
[22:48] <timewriter> otherwise i wont be here asking for this
[22:48] <timewriter> no install
[22:48] <Ace2016> does    ./configure --prefix=/usr  work?
[22:48] <timewriter> no
[22:48] <timewriter> there are no binaries
[22:49] <Ace2016> let me see
[22:49] <Ace2016> link to theme page?
[22:49] <timewriter> 2 secs
[22:50] <timewriter> http://kde-look.org/content/show.php/Azenis?content=77150
[22:50] <timewriter> this is it
[22:50] <Ace2016> rapidshare download link? wonder why
[22:50] <timewriter> i dont know
[22:51] <timewriter> kde-look.org and gnome-look.org both have low bw
[22:51] <timewriter> maybe thats why
[22:52] <Ace2016> this isn't a kde style
[22:52] <timewriter> what then
[22:53] <cracko> try with deKorator
[22:53] <timewriter> do i have it ?
[22:54] <cracko> hmm it's in repositories so shouldn't be problem with installing :)
[22:54] <timewriter> not there tho
[22:54] <timewriter> rpmdrake doesnt find it
[22:55] <cracko> you can download it from kde-look
[22:56] <timewriter> checking now
[22:56] <timewriter> is it a memory hog ?
[22:56] <Ace2016> rpmdrake???
[22:56] <timewriter> rpmdrake for add/remove software
[22:56] <timewriter> lol 404
[22:57] <timewriter> i quit
[22:57] <timewriter> =)
[22:57] <cracko> when you got that installed untar the windeco then you need to add the path manually
[22:57] <Ark1> hello, i am having a slight problem: last time i installed kubuntu on my laptop (dv9205us HP), a box came up on my first boot up and told me i have restricted drivers that could be installed(my nvdia graphics card and my broadcomm wireless) then they worked perfectly once i clicked install. But now on my second install (same version same laptop) the box is not popping up
[22:58] <timewriter> weird
[23:06] <philipp_> may someone type "nc 84.113.19.95 5432 -vv" in the terminal and try to contact me
[23:07] <philipp_> please
[23:08] <cracko> philipp_:
[23:09] <cracko> chello084113019095.6.12.vie.surfer.at [84.113.19.95] 5432 (postgresql) : Connection refused
[23:12] <bobleny> I have a live CD of a program... If I copy the contents of the CD, keeping its file architecture, to my flash drive, would I be able to run the program off of my flash drive?
[23:16] <bobleny> Any one know of a way to read an ISO without burning it?
[23:19] <bobleny> Is anyone actually here?
[23:20] <oubelhamid> hi
[23:20] <_myrtille_> yes :D but i don't know anything ;)
[23:20] <bobleny> Hi!
[23:20] <oubelhamid> you can spek frensh plz
[23:21] <Pici> !fr | oubelhamid
[23:21] <ubotu> oubelhamid: Allez a #ubuntu-fr ou #kubuntu-fr pour de l'aide et de la discussion en francais.
[23:21] <bobleny> I can speak English, sorta...
[23:22] <_myrtille_> bobenly: I'm pretty sure you can mount iso-images without burning them... but i don't know how... so i don't think i'm of much use ;)
[23:22] <oubelhamid> hi
[23:23] <oubelhamid> you know kubuntu
[23:23] <oubelhamid> help me
[23:23] <bobleny> Yes...
[23:23] <oubelhamid> i can't install the pacage
[23:23] <bobleny> Why not?
[23:24] <axel> Hello! How to exclude an packet from being updated by "sudo apt-get update && sudo apt-get upgrade"?
[23:25] <vit> Se produjo un error al cargar file:///home/vit/Desktop/Music/03 Pista 3.wmafile:///home/vit/Desktop/Music/05-nigga-te_quiero-prt(2).mp3file:///home/vit/Desktop/Music/123w y y - mami tu me domi.mp3file:///home/vit/Desktop/Music/1amor nelson velasquez000.mp3file:///home/vit/Desktop/Music/33.-Tiraera (remix).mp3file:///home/vit/Desktop/Music/Celin dion.mp3file:///home/vit/Desktop/Music/changa krte.mp3file:///home/vit/Desktop/Music/Changa
[23:25] <vit> trance.mp3file:///home/vit/Desktop/Music/com).mp3file:///home/vit/Desktop/Music/cucuta.mp3file:///home/vit/Desktop/Music/don omar - cancion de am0r lite.mp3file:///home/vit/Desktop/Music/El Cambio.mp3file:///home/vit/Desktop/Music/el pollo.mp3file:///home/vit/Desktop/Music/El Tra.mp3file:///home/vit/Desktop/Music/elvis crespo-llore y llore.mp3file:///home/vit/Desktop/Music/elvis_crespo-mi_fracaso.mp3file:///home/vit/Desktop/Music/elvis crespo -
[23:25] <vit> ven.mp3file:///home/vit/Desktop/Music/En Tension.mp3file:///home/vit/Desktop/Music/fans.mp3file:///home/vit/Desktop/Music/haora es.wmafile:///home/vit/Desktop/Music/Klico.mp3file:///home/vit/Desktop/Music/nelson velasque amame haora.wmafile:///home/vit/Desktop/Music/nelson_velasquez_1_casualidad.mp3file:///home/vit/Desktop/Music/pa ti.mp3file:///home/vit/Desktop/Music/PERDIDOS.mp3file:///home/vit/Desktop/Music/Pista 01.oggfile:///home/vit/Desktop/Music/Pista
[23:25] <vit> 02.oggfile:///home/vit/Desktop/Music/Pista 03.oggfile:///home/vit/Desktop/Music/Pista 04.ofile:///home/vit/Desktop/Music/Pista 04.oggfile:///home/vit/Desktop/Music/Pista 05.ofile:///home/vit/Desktop/Music/Pista 05.oggfile:///home/vit/Desktop/Music/Pista 06.oggfile:///home/vit/Desktop/Music/Pista 07.oggfile:///home/vit/Desktop/Music/Pista 08.oggfile:///home/vit/Desktop/Music/Pista 09.oggfile:///home/vit/Desktop/Music/Pista
[23:25] <_myrtille_> !pastebin
[23:25] <ubotu> pastebin is a service to post large texts so you don't flood the channel. The Ubuntu pastebin is at http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org (be sure to give the URL of your paste - see also the #kubuntu channel topic)
[23:25] <pteague> thank you LjL
[23:25] <_myrtille_> !es
[23:25] <ubotu> Aquí solamente hablamos inglés. Para Español, por favor entre en los canales #ubuntu-es o #kubuntu-es - allí obtendrá más ayuda.
[23:26] <pteague> axel> i know there's a way, but i'm not sure via console... let me check something
[23:26] <axel> Background: I compiled KMyMoney from source to be able to use it for online-banking. But now it is shown that it should be updated again.
[23:26] <axel> pteague: Thanks. OK.
[23:26] <oubelhamid> i can(t install realplayer 11
[23:26] <oubelhamid> just 10
[23:26] <oubelhamid> ????
[23:26] <_myrtille_> bobleny: just recalled, somebody posted a little script to mount and unmount isoimages... i found it. :D
[23:26] <_myrtille_> http://pastebin.kubuntu-de.org/892133
[23:27] <Nyad> Hi. I just installed another linux distro and I want to add a chainloader to its grub which I installed to it's root partition. I am in grub/menu.lst but what do I do? the device its on is sdb5
[23:28] <pteague> axel> in synaptic you can select the package you want & then package -> lock version
[23:28] <pteague> is there anything that makes firefox friendlier in kde?
[23:29] <nowhere> hi folks. is there a nice tool to manage lvms?
[23:29] <oubelhamid> but it's nessecary to updated package in adept
[23:29] <oubelhamid> ??
[23:30] <axel> pteague: Thanks. I'll chek it. What do you mean by more firendly?
[23:30] <oubelhamid> because i just install kubuntu
[23:30] <n72poyyo> hallo everyone!!
[23:30] <n72poyyo> i got a little prob here...
[23:30] <ktownhero> hola!
[23:31] <pteague> i changed something in my theme & firefox crashed... it also seems to be eating up a bit more resources under kde than it was under gnome, but maybe that's just the way the resource managers present things
[23:31] <ktownhero> so what's the prob?
[23:32] <n72poyyo> you know what do I need to have sound? I just installed the Gutsy 7.10 and got the kmix icon red crossed
[23:32] <n72poyyo> :(
[23:32] <ktownhero> hmm
[23:33] <ktownhero> somebody with more experience will have to help you with that one, sorry
[23:34] <n72poyyo> aright, thnx!
[23:34] <n72poyyo> someone else can help me??
[23:34] <n72poyyo> auuuu !!!
[23:34] <ktownhero> i'm not well versed in manually setting up devices yet
[23:36] <pteague> anybody know if there's a timer applet or something for kde?
[23:37] <pteague> nm, found it, was looking at wrong thing ;)
[23:40] <n72poyyo> i dont have sound on my 7.10 Gutsy, and i already installed all the plugins...
[23:40] <fdghfg> Hi I just installed Suse linux into sdb5. How do I make kubuntu's grub see it?
[23:40] <axel> pteague: Thanks. But it seems to work for synaptic only not for the adept manager. The Problem still exists.
[23:40] <n72poyyo> any suggestion?
[23:40] <nite613> I
[23:40] <axel> n72poyyo: What hardware do you use?
[23:41] <pteague> axel> oh, you're trying to block adept? hmm...  there may be a way to do something similar in the aptitude gui
[23:41] <nite613> Looking for a way to mount a samba share at login with an interactive pasword prompt
[23:42] <Nyad> Hi I just installed Suse linux into sdb5. How do I make kubuntu's grub see it?
[23:42] <n72poyyo> is an alsa card
[23:42] <nite613> I know how to mount by puting an smbfs entry in /etc/fstab, but I don't want to include the username and password in the file, is there a way to get prompted for the u/p on KDE login and have it mounted
[23:42] <n72poyyo> not a bigt hing really
[23:43] <n72poyyo> thing* sorry
[23:45] <pteague> ok, ktimer apparently isn't what i was looking for... anybody know of anything similar to timer-applet for kde?  i just want to set a time (2 minutes, an hour, etc) & let it count down
[23:45] <Nyad> Hi I just installed Suse linux into sdb5. How do I make kubuntu's grub see it?
[23:46] <Amine_D> I need the DVD version
[23:46] <Amine_D> of kubuntu
[23:46] <jackault> I'm having an insane time trying to find some documentation for Keep (the program for backups in kde) what does the --ssh-no-compression option do?
[23:47] <Odd-rationale> jackault: man rdiff-backup
[23:47] <Odd-rationale> keep is a frontend to rdiff-backup
[23:47] <jackault> ah. thanks
[23:47] <Nyad> am I invisible?
[23:47] <cracko> no
[23:48] <Nyad> can't anybody help me?
[23:48] <Nyad> I just installed Suse linux into sdb5. How do I make kubuntu's grub see it?
[23:48] <thoreauputic> pteague: not for KDE specifically, but have a look at http://interlink.webhop.org/timer_script.html
[23:49] <_myrtille_> pteague: karm might also do the trick
[23:49] <axel> pteague: I am now in the german aptitude (text-)gui. What's the difference between Packet>hold bach (zurückhalten in German) and Packet>Maintain (beibehalten in German?
[23:49] <Odd-rationale> !grub
[23:49] <ubotu> grub is the default Ubuntu boot manager. Lost grub after installing windows: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/RecoveringUbuntuAfterInstallingWindows - Making GRUB floppies & other GRUB howtos: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/GrubHowto
[23:49] <Odd-rationale> Nyad: see the grub howto page ^^
[23:49] <thoreauputic> pteague: sorry that's a 404 - try http://thoreauputic.boinc.ch//Timer_Script.html
[23:49] <Nyad> Odd-rationale: thanks
[23:50] <n72poyyo> what is the command to see the sound device that I got?
[23:50] <axel> pteague: I meant: Packet>hold bacK.
[23:50] <pteague> axel> honestly i don't remember... i think hold back forces the hold & maintain will only update it if some other package requires it to be updated...  but don't quote me on that, i've not used it in a while
[23:50] <Odd-rationale> n72poyyo: lspci ?
[23:51] <thoreauputic> n72poyyo: try  lspci | grep -i audio
[23:51] <thoreauputic> or just lspci, yes
[23:51] <_myrtille_> pteague: just havin a silly thought: kteatimer does a countdown and gives a nice peep when time expires :D if you don't need anything sofisticated that would also be a possibility
[23:51] <n72poyyo> got it, thnx!
[23:53] <pteague> _myrtille_> that might actually work... all i need it to do is count down from whatever time frame i give it & do a popup &/or make a sound
[23:53] <pteague> _myrtille_> it's how i keep track of certain time sensitive things in game
[23:53] <_myrtille_> *g*
[23:54] <axel> pteague: neither "hold back" nor "maintain" worked.
[23:54] <_myrtille_> that should be possible: you can enter any time you want, it does a countdown and finally it makes a little beeping noise.. i don't know if you can customize the soind
[23:54] <Nyad> Odd-rationale: when I am doing a chainloader is it always +1, coz my MSwin part is +1, must suse be +2?
[23:55] <n72poyyo> ok.. know is worse !!jajajaja
[23:55] <thoreauputic> Nyad: no, the +1 works for other partitions too - as long as they have a bootloader on them
[23:55] <n72poyyo> "unknown device"
[23:55] <n72poyyo> jajaja
[23:55] <Nyad> thanks
[23:55] <_myrtille_> pteague: actually you can even change the sound, just checked. :D kteatime can be found in the repositories, i think
[23:56] <basy> hi what can i use to capture avi from webcamera?
[23:56] <thoreauputic> bah, nobody likes my timer!
[23:56] <thoreauputic> ;)
[23:56] <_myrtille_> sorry ;)
[23:56] <thoreauputic> heheh
[23:57] <thoreauputic> I use it mainly so I won't forget that I have something cooking :)
[23:57] <pteague> _myrtille_> yep, got it installed... i'm trying to figure out where to find it in kmenu tho...
[23:58] <_myrtille_> pteague: no idea, sorry. :D Just start it and configure it via a rightclick->options :D
[23:59] <linux3r> whats latest kernel version?