[00:00] <lucasvo> akk: if you're willing to supply more info, why not? I'm sure you wouldn't get away with only trying out one version/install-mode
[00:01] <akk> lucasvo: What other install modes would be needed? I can only use the alternate installer, the live CDs never work on this machine.
[00:01] <lucasvo> akk: oh
[00:01] <co0lingFir4> if i want to update my system i get the "partial update" notification. but that doesnt work. does anyone know why?
[00:01] <lucasvo> akk: cltr+alt+f8 still works?
[00:01] <lucasvo> akk: you could try to recover the logs
[00:02] <lucasvo> alex_mayorga: do you know why this bug has low priority and is only affecting gdm?
[00:02] <akk> lucasvo: Um, what does ctl-alt-f8 do? I tried ctl-alt-f2 to get to another terminal, but it was too hung for that or for ctl-alt-del
[00:02] <akk> lucasvo: It was configuring kernel modules when it went into its loop
[00:03] <alex_mayorga> lucasvo: honestly I don't know
[00:03] <lucasvo> akk: it's another terminal with syslog
[00:03] <linkinxp> hey guys
[00:03] <alex_mayorga> I guess my broken video is more critical :)
[00:03] <akk> lucasvo: okay, probably wouldn't have worked (spin loops like this never give me any keyboard control)
[00:03] <lucasvo> h3sp4wn: is 150dpi sane?
[00:03] <icanhasadmin> alex_mayorga: what's wrong with your video?
[00:03] <lucasvo> I used an online PPI Calculator for this number
[00:03] <lucasvo> but firefox still displays fonts way to big (I did not restart X, only firefox)
[00:04] <linkinxp> i uninstall something and now when im trying to run the updater it says that Not all updates can be installed select Partial Updating
[00:04] <linkinxp> why?
[00:05] <alex_mayorga> icanhasadmin, I only see a rainbow of colors flashing :(
[00:06] <h3sp4wn> lucasvo: You need to set it seperately for each output
[00:06] <h3sp4wn> lucasvo: The thing is xorg is updated to the new system but gnome etc is still not right yet
[00:06] <icanhasadmin> alex_mayorga: what type of video card?
[00:06] <alex_mayorga> icanhasdmin I'm doing a dist-upgrade right now in the command line and see if it fixes me up bug 146706
[00:06] <ubotu> Launchpad bug 146706 in xserver-xorg-video-nv "[Hardy alpha 6] Live cd graphics fail with nvidia geforce4 440 go " [High,Triaged] https://launchpad.net/bugs/146706
[00:07] <akk> I wish there were a way to get just a tarball of a base ubuntu install
[00:07] <akk> it would avoid so many installer problems
[00:07] <tclineks> could someon look at my apt.log, i'm trying to upgrade to hardy but cant' make much sense about this error, apparently with openoffice http://dpaste.com/42855/
[00:07] <lucasvo> h3sp4wn: it only has one virtual display: http://dpaste.com/42856/
[00:07] <h3sp4wn> akk: You can install from grml
[00:07] <JohnPhys> akk: you can always use the alternate install
[00:07] <akk> JohnPhys: This is the alternate install -- it hangs.
[00:08] <akk> h3sp4wn: What's grml?
[00:08] <JohnPhys> akk:  well then......my suggestion doesn't help at all now does it? :)
[00:08] <lucasvo> h3sp4wn: I plugged out my second monitor
[00:08] <Arand> What was the deal about Human-Murrine? Why was it stripped?
[00:08] <Killeroid> tclineks: i get the same error, i  asked a few hours ago and  no could help me
[00:08] <h3sp4wn> akk: Its a live cd
[00:08] <lucasvo> h3sp4wn: I think this fixed it
[00:08] <JohnPhys> Arand:  I haven't heard yet.
[00:08] <h3sp4wn> akk: They have a wrapper around debootstrap that can install Debian or Ubuntu
[00:09] <h3sp4wn> lucasvo: That output implies 2 screens - one at 1024x768 and one at 1280x800
[00:09] <akk> h3sp4wn: What I really need is a way to install without using a CD at all -- just something I can dd/tar onto the partition
[00:09] <tclineks> Killeroid: can you ping me if you solve it, i'll do the same
[00:09] <lucasvo> h3sp4wn: but it says screen0 but it does not mention screen1
[00:09] <akk> h3sp4wn: Installers and live CDs always try to get creative and end up not working on lots of machines
[00:09] <alex_mayorga> akk, do you have win there? in that case wubi should do
[00:10] <coz_> safe to update?
[00:10] <h3sp4wn> akk: http://www.grml.org/
[00:10] <Killeroid> tclineks: ok, will do so
[00:10] <akk> alex_mayorga: No windows. I have feisty, gutsy and sarge in other partitions on the machine, though.
[00:10] <Arand> I've heard there was some problems with that theme, but _what_ problems? I'd like to know... I quite liked it.
[00:10] <h3sp4wn> akk: Or you can just use debootstrap
[00:11]  * akk googles for debootstrap
[00:11] <spiderfire> how come there is a nvidia-glx, nvidia-glx-new, nvidia-glx-legacy?
[00:12] <h3sp4wn> spiderfire: Hardware support
[00:12] <alex_mayorga> icanhasadmin, any troubleshoot procedure for when my dist-upgrade finish?
[00:12] <icanhasadmin> alex_mayorga: i'd need to see your xorg.conf
[00:12] <spiderfire> i thought glx-new would include nvidia-glx
[00:12] <h3sp4wn> akk: get the deb for the hardy debootstrap and install it with dpkg -i onto one of the other distros
[00:13] <JohnPhys> I believe nvidia-glx contains a *slightly* older driver to support Geforce 4 cards, legacy is for cards before that, and glx-new does not have support for GF4's
[00:13] <HorizonXP> calc ?
[00:13] <spiderfire> JohnPhys: thanks :)
[00:13] <corinth> Why was glipper taken out of the default repos in hardy?
[00:13] <tclineks> any hints on Reinst Failed because of openoffice.org-l10n-en-gb
[00:13] <akk> h3sp4wn: And then I could use debootstrap somehow to install hardy to a specific partition? That would be perfect
[00:13] <calc> HorizonXP: huh?
[00:13] <JohnPhys> spiderfire:  that may be wrong though, just open up synaptic and check the descriptions of each of the packages
[00:13] <tclineks> causing my hardy upgrade to fail
[00:13] <h3sp4wn> akk: Something like - debootstrap hardy /mnt gb.archive.ubuntu.com
[00:14] <phreck> Any Bison Cam support yet?
[00:14] <calc> tclineks: yea wait
[00:14] <akk> h3sp4wn: Thank you! That may be exactly what I've been wishing for
[00:14] <tclineks> calc: in the works?
[00:14] <calc> tclineks: or ask HorizonXP how he fixed it ;)
[00:14] <calc> tclineks: yea next day or so it will be fixed
[00:14] <tclineks> HorizonXP: ^
[00:14] <spiderfire> JohnPhys: yes
[00:14] <tclineks> HorizonXP: is it simple?
[00:14] <HorizonXP> calc: I'm trying to install additional dictionaries using OpenOffice's stupid little wizard thing. I can't use it, the window's not big enough to see everything, and you can't resize it
[00:14] <HorizonXP> tclineks: what repo are you using? main?
[00:14] <calc> HorizonXP: turn off compiz
[00:14] <tclineks> HorizonXP: i think
[00:14] <h3sp4wn> akk: You have to deal with installing a kernel and grub and etc etc - the grml wrapper does that for you (slightly easier but nevermind)
[00:14]  * calc needs to get back to work or it won't get fixed ;)
[00:15] <spiderfire> is the new kernel image suppsoed to not load the nividia module. im having problems therre
[00:15] <h3sp4wn> There is no restricted modules yet afaik
[00:15] <HorizonXP> calc: he has to remove those language-support packages, and then update right?
[00:15] <calc> HorizonXP: the language-support packs the language specific parts of OOo and then update, yea
[00:15] <linkinxp> hey guys how i play with the Boot List at the begining when i start the PC
[00:15] <linkinxp> ?
[00:15] <h3sp4wn> press escape
[00:15] <akk> h3sp4wn: That's fine -- I already have a kernel that works (.23.17) and grub, so really all I want is a way of getting a / partition set up with hardy beta
[00:15] <calc> HorizonXP: assuming his mirror isn't out of date like yours was ;)
[00:16] <linkinxp> cause i ran a apt-get distro-update and now i have to vs of Ubuntu in the boot list
[00:16] <tclineks> HorizonXP: hey actually i already started doing that and it works now
[00:16] <HorizonXP> yeah, so tclineks, in synaptic, do a search for openoffice.org, remove all packages with language support, and then openoffice.org-l10n-*, and then update
[00:16] <HorizonXP> ok cool
[00:16] <HorizonXP> calc's working on fixing it
[00:17] <tclineks> i removed openoffice.org-l10n-en-gb which removed the other package as well
[00:17] <tclineks> Killeroid: ^
[00:18] <Killeroid> tclineks: yeah but language-support-en contains the english language files for a lot of other apps
[00:18] <alex_mayorga> is FF3 beta 5 now in hardy?
[00:18] <akk> h3sp4wn: Just to be sure: I can't aptitude install debootstrap on gutsy, but have to install the .deb for hardy's version onto my gutsy system?
[00:18] <HorizonXP> Killeroid: reinstall them afterwards
[00:18] <HorizonXP> it's a temporary fix
[00:18] <shadowhywind> hay all upgraded to hardy over the weekend and now myy scanner doesn't work any ideas?
[00:18] <h3sp4wn> akk: dpkg -L debootstrap
[00:19] <h3sp4wn> (after its installed for gutsy)
[00:19] <spiderfire> alex_mayorga: not yet
[00:19] <Killeroid> HorizonXP: kk, thanks
[00:20] <h3sp4wn> akk: The package has to contain - /usr/share/debootstrap/scripts/hardy (or you can hack one yourself) Its only written in shell anyway
[00:20] <HorizonXP> np
[00:20] <HorizonXP> hopefully it goes better for you than me!
[00:21] <akk> h3sp4wn: Ah, I see! Right, it doesn't have a hardy script yet.
[00:21] <calc> i found out backlogged rosetta export is so i am just going to upload it without rosetta translations
[00:21] <calc> apparently its backlogged days currently
[00:21] <calc> but they are working on fixing the problem
[00:21] <h3sp4wn> akk: The one in hardy does - you can either install that or extract /usr/share/debootstrap/scripts/hardy from it and add
[00:21] <corinth> How do I upgrade Firefox beta 4 to beta 5 in Hardy?
[00:22] <calc> so it should be installable within ~ 10hr or so after i do the upload
[00:22] <jaffarkelshac> i would like to mount a hardrive over my netowrk, is that possible. currenly i have multifply shared folders.
[00:22] <h3sp4wn> http://packages.ubuntu.com/hardy/all/debootstrap/download
[00:22] <UnNaturalHigh> jaffarkelshac, sshfs
[00:22] <jaffarkelshac> UnNaturalHigh, does not help me much, what sshfs
[00:23] <akk> h3sp4wn: Got it. Thanks, this is awesome
[00:23] <Geekthras> Hi there
[00:23] <UnNaturalHigh> jaffarkelshac, google is your friend
[00:23] <tgelter> jaffarkelshac: nfs is a good option, samba too
[00:23] <Geekthras> I just installed 8.04 last night, but now all I get is a black screen with the cursor after login
[00:23] <calc> jaffarkelshac: if you want it just in gnome then just open a file browser window then type (ctrl-l) ssh://username@hostname/
[00:23] <HorizonXP> so someone's putting updates to the kernel in the hardy repos; except it looks like they're not going to work
[00:23] <jaffarkelshac> tgelter, i used samba to share the files, but when i try to share the deveice folder in /media i get an error
[00:23] <SliMM> hi
[00:24] <SliMM> when will hardy be released?
[00:24] <calc> SliMM: in about 3 weeks
[00:24] <HorizonXP> !release
[00:24] <ubotu> Ubuntu releases a new version every 6 months. Each version is supported for 18 months to 5 years. More info at http://www.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/releases & http://wiki.ubuntu.com/TimeBasedReleases
[00:24] <jaffarkelshac> 21 days SliMM
[00:24] <HorizonXP> !hardy > SliMM
[00:24] <JohnPhys> SliMM:  www.ubuntu.com answers that question
[00:24] <SliMM> that's exactly 3 weeks and that's what i thought, but i read yesterday or so that it will be delayed for 3 months
[00:25] <HorizonXP> April Fools
[00:25] <h3sp4wn> jaffarkelshac: sshfs can have issues with file corruption (or did for me)
[00:25] <SliMM> oh, you got me with that one :))
[00:25] <HorizonXP> lol
[00:25] <Geekthras> anyone have any idea how to fix this?
[00:25] <HorizonXP> April Fools
[00:25] <wrath> their changing everyones background one was worse >.>
[00:25] <HorizonXP> the practical joke that keeps giving and giving
[00:25] <icanhasadmin> yep very true that
[00:25] <UnNaturalHigh> h3sp4wn, never seen that happen
[00:25] <h3sp4wn> jaffarkelshac: nfs or samba are more permanent solutions
[00:26] <UnNaturalHigh> samba is garbage unless you need to share with windows boxes
[00:26] <Wrath> I did the updates yesterday and ended up with a unicorn background :s
[00:26] <jaffarkelshac> h3sp4wn, i am googling right now
[00:26] <h3sp4wn> UnNaturalHigh: files over 4GB check the md5's
[00:26] <calc> if you use nfs use nfs v4
[00:26] <Prefix> Wrath, that was only for kubuntu right?
[00:26] <calc> not v3
[00:26]  * HorizonXP slaps calc
[00:26] <Wrath> yea i think so
[00:26]  * calc notes v4 is probably default by now
[00:26] <HorizonXP> get back to work!
[00:26] <calc> oh yea, back to work
[00:27] <jaffarkelshac> i read today, you can login in to ubuntu via sh or telnet, does anyone know  this
[00:27] <Killeroid> jaffarkelshac: but ofcourse
[00:27] <Killeroid> lol
[00:27] <Killeroid> yes, i am pretty sure everyone here knows you can do that
[00:27] <JohnPhys> *wonders how many people are uploading the beta torrent*
[00:27] <SliMM> i can hardly wait for hardy
[00:28] <icanhasadmin> SliMM: hardy is amazing, really it's like nothing i've ever seen before
[00:28] <jaffarkelshac> Killeroid, you seem to know what i am talking about, just read about it. do you know how this is done.
[00:28] <SliMM> i hope it'll work better than gutsy
[00:28] <SliMM> i can't even turn off my computer normally in gutsy
[00:28] <Wrath> hopefully they get the bugs fixed in the next 3 weeks
[00:28] <h3sp4wn> UnNaturalHigh: sshfs is a hack more so than samba even
[00:28] <Killeroid> jaffarkelshac: yes, i do know what you are talking about. and its not a big deal or a new procedure just discovered as you are making it to be
[00:29] <dwidmann> h3sp4wn: a very convenient hack.
[00:29] <SliMM> where can i look over a feature list?
[00:29] <calc> jaffarkelshac: to log in via telnet you must install the telnetd
[00:29] <Killeroid> ahh, going to tak too long to odwnload all upgrade packages, going to do the upgrade via cd
[00:29] <calc> jaffarkelshac: its not considered secure you are probably better off installing openssh-server instead
[00:29] <RAOF> jaffarkelshac: But you really, really don't want to do that, because it's a hideous security risk.
[00:29] <h3sp4wn> dwidmann: Until it corrupts files - luckily I checked then rsync fixed it
[00:29] <Pedantic-Steve> SliMM: http://www.ubuntu.com/testing/hardy/beta
[00:30] <jaffarkelshac> its probably not a big deal but i am discovery new things since i switched and want to know for knowledge sake nothing more
[00:30] <RAOF> jaffarkelshac: You actually want what calc said - openssh-server.
[00:30] <calc> jaffarkelshac: telnet isn't encrypted which is why its not considered good
[00:30] <Wrath> ssh has more features anyway
[00:30] <RAOF> username/password in plain text over the internet is not cool.
[00:31] <phreck> its not?
[00:31] <Prefix> With ssh client on windows, and i connect to my Ubuntu box, and start a gnome session, it wont work would it?
[00:31]  * phreck blinks
[00:31] <phreck> heh.
[00:31] <jaffarkelshac> i am leaning a few things with this switch
[00:31] <h3sp4wn> You can use opie with telnet
[00:31] <phreck> they have programs that let you do that
[00:32] <Exilant> Prefix: no clue if x-forwarding to windows works
[00:32] <Exilant> but i assume it doesn't
[00:32] <Killeroid> Exilant: it does work
[00:32] <Exilant> oh, interesting
[00:32] <Killeroid> Exilant: putty supports x-forwarding
[00:32] <Prefix> Killeroid, does it? wow that is awesome.
[00:32] <Prefix> going to install putty on my college pc then
[00:33] <Prefix> ^_^
[00:33] <h3sp4wn> You need an xserver still though
[00:33] <Prefix> and log into my home box
[00:33] <Prefix> does putty not come with one for windows?
[00:33] <h3sp4wn> Prefix: You would probably get better performance with - NX
[00:33] <Killeroid> h3sp4wn: http://www.math.umn.edu/systems_guide/putty_xwin32.html
[00:33] <Prefix> !NX
[00:33] <ubotu> FreeNX is advanced remote desktop technology. For more information and install instructions, see https://help.ubuntu.com/community/FreeNX
[00:33] <Killeroid> Prefix: http://www.math.umn.edu/systems_guide/putty_xwin32.html
[00:33] <calc> Prefix: x forwarding works if you have an x server on windows
[00:33] <h3sp4wn> Killeroid: xwin32 is another app
[00:34] <h3sp4wn> Prefix: www.nomachine.com
[00:34] <Killeroid> mhm
[00:34] <h3sp4wn> Prefix: Free for personal use - commercial version
[00:34] <calc> note that x forwarding is SLOW in any case so xvnc or NX would be a better idea anyway
[00:34] <RAOF> Although X forwarding is dog slow if you've got a less than infinite bandwidth connection.
[00:34] <phreck> nx works well
[00:34] <Prefix> I can still use VNC from a xp to Ubuntu machine right?
[00:34] <RAOF> Yes.
[00:35] <RAOF> And, for those playing at home, you tcan
[00:35] <RAOF> can tunnel that through SSH.
[00:35] <phreck> mhmm
[00:35] <Prefix> whats the disadvantage of VNC over one of these other programs?
[00:35] <Killeroid> ahh, i just nearly had a heart attack, update manager was telling me it would take 35 days, 7 hours and 38 minutes to download all packages for the upgrae to hardy
[00:35] <phreck> ease of use
[00:35] <calc> in process of uploading openoffice.org-l10n_2.4.0-3ubuntu1_source.changes
[00:35] <Paddy_EIRE> RAOF: it keeps asking me for a mystery password that I am yet to fiqure out :S
[00:35] <icanhasadmin> Killeroid: that's actually possible depending on your connection. it might take an hour or two tho :P
[00:36] <JohnPhys> Killeroid:  That might be accurate when the servers get hammered on release day :P
[00:36] <Prefix> lol killeroid, at some times during the update my dl rate was 100 B/s
[00:36] <RAOF> Paddy_EIRE: There are often 2 - one for your SSH connection (unless you're using a shared-key), one for the actual VNC connection (which you set up when you start the server).
[00:36] <Paddy_EIRE> I always get a lightning connection to the repos :)
[00:36] <levmatta> today ubuntu is almost fixed, YEAH!!!
[00:37] <Killeroid> whew!!!! my connection just picked up and odwnloading packages at 250kb/s
[00:37] <Killeroid> one hour
[00:37] <shadowhywind> anyone else having problems with there scanner in hardy?
[00:37] <Prefix> Paddy_EIRE, your from Ireland right? Do you use the main servers or the irish ones?
[00:37] <Antireligion> where are the totem plugins for firefox 3 in 8.04 located?
[00:37] <JohnPhys> They should probably publicize the torrent a bit more on the official site, so that people downloading an iso can actually get a cd image quickly
[00:37] <icanhasadmin> Killeroid: it takes MUCH longer to install then it does download. i've seen upwards of 3 hours.
[00:37] <Paddy_EIRE> Prefix: oh always the irish servers
[00:37] <Paddy_EIRE> lightning
[00:37] <Prefix> hmm might switch back to the irish ones then
[00:37] <Prefix> I live in teh black north :<
[00:38] <Paddy_EIRE> yeah I'm living in the north too :)
[00:38] <icanhasadmin> By the way, i'm not sure if anyone has tried it, Hardy both installs, boots, and runs, flawlessly off an 8gb sandisk flash drive.
[00:38] <Prefix> lol
[00:38] <Killeroid> icanhasadmin: yeah, i remeber from upgrading from dapper to fiesty, i took me less than an hour to download the packages and four hours to upgrade
[00:38] <tired> can someone help me with an 8.04 update error??
[00:38] <phreck> error?
[00:38] <calc> tired: only if its not the OOo one ;-)
[00:38] <Killeroid> tired: what error do you get?
[00:38] <Paddy_EIRE> !anyone | tired
[00:38] <ubotu> tired: A large amount of the first questions asked in this channel start with "Does anyone/anybody..."  Why not ask your next question (the real one) and find out?
[00:39] <calc> the answer to how to fix OOo is... wait about 10 hours
[00:39] <tired> syas not all updates can be installed
[00:39] <calc> openoffice.org-l10n_2.4.0-3ubuntu1.diff.gz                                                                                  14%   14MB  51.7KB/s   25:42 ETA
[00:39] <tired> do partial upgrade
[00:39] <tired> then fails
[00:39] <derspankster> join the crowd
[00:39] <calc> tired: its probably failing to install OOo and maybe bzrtools
[00:39] <calc> bzrtools seems broken on my box
[00:39] <JohnPhys> tired:  yeah, just wait on that, they will probably upload the rest of those packages later.
[00:39] <tired> ok
[00:39] <Prefix> I got that error and disabled all the repos, updated, re enabled, updated and it fixed it for me
[00:40] <tired> wasn't sure if it was something to do w/ me trying to get dvd's to play
[00:40] <calc> JohnPhys: they is me and i just posted the current status of the upload ;-)
[00:40] <calc> tired: if its more than OOo broken then we might be able to help with that, but OOo is just really wait ~ 10hr unless you want to remove translations for it
[00:41] <tired> how do i tell what's broken?
[00:41] <h3sp4wn> dpkg -C
[00:41] <calc> tired: if you try apt-get dist-upgrade it will probably tell you
[00:41]  * calc has never used update-manager so doesn't know what its output looks like
[00:41] <JohnPhys> calc:  thanks, I wasn't sure if that was an upload or a download :)
[00:41] <calc> JohnPhys: ok :)
[00:42] <calc> it looks like part of the new kernel is still being held back also
[00:42] <tired> it's getting the stuff.. i'll tell you in a moment : )
[00:42]  * calc needs faster upload since OOo is so huge
[00:42] <h3sp4wn> No restricted modules
[00:42] <icanhasadmin> hm, hardy is telling me something about a partial upgrade... and trying to fix something..
[00:42] <calc> 100MB diff.gz argh
[00:42] <JohnPhys> the OOo wouldn't be affecting kernel updates, would it?  I also have linux-generic, linux-headers-generic, linux-image-generic, and linux-restricted-modules-generic that wont' install
[00:43] <calc> JohnPhys: no shouldn't be caused by OOo for that
[00:43] <calc> JohnPhys: all of the kernel (on i386) installed for me but one bit, which is probably due to what h3sp4wn mentioned
[00:43] <akk> Wow, debootstrap is fast -- it's done already (including my 5 minutes of fiddling with getting the right mount options on the partition)
[00:43] <Exilant> johnPhys: linux-restricted-modules is missing
[00:44]  * calc uses debootstrap all the time to do builds :)
[00:44] <JohnPhys> Exilant:  thanks for the info.  Do you know if there is an eta on that package?
[00:44] <Exilant> or linux-restricted-modules-2.6.24-14-generic more precisely
[00:44] <Exilant> i don't know
[00:44] <calc> much better than downloading a lot of dev tools on main install then having to determine what to remove later
[00:44] <calc>  /var/cache/apt/archives/bzrtools_1.3.0-2ubuntu1_all.deb
[00:44] <Exilant> i'm waiting for it :)
[00:44] <fredrin> Ater upgrade to Hardy, emerald wont start by it self, must use 'emerald --replace' to make it start
[00:44] <calc> ^ that is still broken for me, but everything else is fine for me (i manually fixed OOo of course)
[00:45] <icanhasadmin> fredrin: on gnome, alt+f2 and gconf-editor
[00:45] <h3sp4wn> Its easy enough to clean up for aptitude users anyway
[00:45] <fredrin> icanhasadmin: k, thanks
[00:47] <tired> calc: it seems to work w/ terminal .. go figure
[00:47] <tired> going to restart
[00:47] <jaffarkelshac> does anyone use the seahorse pgp software,i asked a question here earlier but nothing.
[00:47] <tired> before i go though ... is there a way to get dvd's to play.. been reading through guides and gotten packages but nothing seems to work
[00:48] <tired> i'd really like to not have to reboot into vista
[00:48] <h3sp4wn> tired: Run the script
[00:48] <h3sp4wn> in libdvdread3
[00:48] <DanaG> !libdvdcss
[00:48] <ubotu> For playing DVD, see http://help.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/desktopguide/C/video.html - "libdvdcss2" can be found at !Medibuntu or (for Feisty and earlier) http://wiki.ubuntu.com/SeveasPackages - Try k9copy (available in !Universe) for backing up DVDs
[00:48] <calc> tired: see ^
[00:48] <HorizonXP> hey, is firefox 3 beta 5 available yet?
[00:48] <HorizonXP> or should I just install the binary?
[00:48] <fredrin> icanhasadmin: What to edit in gconf to make emerald start?
[00:48] <h3sp4wn> sudo /usr/share/doc/libdvdread3/install-css.sh
[00:49]  * calc wants something as simple as libdvdcss for bluray disks
[00:49] <jaffarkelshac> so does anyone use seahorse
[00:49] <calc> aiui it is still rip and decode then use special playback with lots of manual hacks, to make it work
[00:49] <ReL1K> contemplating whether to update or not...anyone experiencing any major issues upgrading from 7.10 to 8.04
[00:50] <h3sp4wn> ReL1K: I wouldn't do it right now
[00:50] <calc> ReL1K: upgrading today might not be the best idea
[00:50] <fredrin> icanhasadmin: can't find anything about emerald with conf
[00:50] <ReL1K> haha
[00:50] <calc> ReL1K: wait until tomorrow (12hr+)
[00:50] <ReL1K> alright, thanks for the insight :)
[00:50] <icanhasadmin> fredrin: 1 sec, i believe it's desktop -> gnome -> apllications -> window_manager
[00:50] <JohnPhys> Rel1K:  as a rule, if you're not ready for major breakage, don't upgrade during the prerelease period
[00:50] <calc> ReL1K: i broke OOo today :)
[00:50] <icanhasadmin> calc: wait, what happened today?
[00:50] <JohnPhys> calc : lol you should be less proud of that
[00:50] <calc> icanhasadmin: new OOo went in but OOo-l10n hasn't yet
[00:50] <conformer> the update today totally messed up my X server or something. did that happen to anyone else?
[00:51] <ReL1K> JohnPhys: yea, i understand that, i ran 7.10 in tribe 2 last time, lots of broken deps and such but easy to fix
[00:51] <icanhasadmin> calc: and how is this your fault?
[00:51] <calc> icanhasadmin: it will be in about 15m but then has to build which takes 8hr+
[00:51] <calc> icanhasadmin: i am the OOo maintainer
[00:51] <calc> icanhasadmin: http://launchpad.net/~ccheney/
[00:51] <conformer> i have to run everything in low graphics mode
[00:51] <icanhasadmin> calc: that's very interesting. what exactly is OOo? :D
[00:51] <thiemster> The run menu has stopped coming up when I press alt-f2. How can I get it back?
[00:51] <jaffarkelshac> i am having problem updating, it saids something about parital install and even that cant be installed
[00:51] <fredrin> icanhasadmin: it looks like it, current and default is '/usr/bin/compiz/' other got no value,
[00:51] <calc> icanhasadmin: OpenOffice.org
[00:52] <calc> icanhasadmin: so its abbreviated to OOo
[00:52] <icanhasadmin> calc: oh, i like you.
[00:52] <fredrin> number_of_workspaces and workspace_names got no value, but i guess is ok
[00:52] <tanner> finally, they're releasing a CCNP command guide =D
[00:53] <jaffarkelshac> where is the command guide
[00:53] <conformer> did anyone elses X stop working after the update today?
[00:53] <jaffarkelshac> there has been a lot of updates today
[00:53] <tanner> jaffarkelshac: http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/1587201879/ref=pe_5050_8574910_pe_snp_879
[00:53] <calc> tired: check system->pref->keyboard shortcuts to see if it is mapped correctly
[00:53] <calc> er nm that was meant for someone who left so it completed wrong
[00:54] <jaffarkelshac> i tried to update recently but it wont install, only partial install is there and even that wont install.
[00:55] <conformer> maybe its for a reason
[00:55] <conformer> i did the partial upgrade and now my X server is messed up
[00:55] <conformer> i hope they fix that by tomorrow
[00:56] <jaffarkelshac> well, good mine is not working then
[00:56] <gluer> conformer: damn, i'll restart x and see, just ran the partial updates
[00:56] <calc> don't run hardy if you don't know how to use: dpkg, apt-get, (a package manager), and various other cli tools  :-)
[00:56] <calc> s/hardy/ubuntu+1/ whatever that happens to be at the time
[00:57] <calc> btw if any particular deb is screwed up you can always download old ones off of launchpad by hand if you know what is broken
[00:59] <calc> 5m too late to get installed in this hours round
[00:59] <calc> :-\
[00:59] <akreao> Is anyone else getting update problems?
[00:59] <JohnPhys> akreao:  everyone with OOo and a kernel installed, yes :)
[00:59] <jaffarkelshac> yeah, in the way that it wone update
[00:59] <akreao> Oh.
[01:00] <Killeroid> akreao: what probelms do you have?
[01:00] <Killeroid> *problems
[01:00] <HorizonXP> someone tell me when Firefox Beta 5 is in the repos :)
[01:00] <jaffarkelshac> wont*
[01:00] <akreao> Hold on, I'll bring it up again.
[01:00] <gluer> mines OK
[01:00] <akreao> First it asks to do a Partial Upgrade.
[01:00] <akreao> So I try that.
[01:00] <conformer> what just me?
[01:00] <conformer> that sucks
[01:01] <gluer> conf: I'' see if there are any more updates
[01:01] <akreao> "Cannot calculate the upgrade"
[01:01] <jaffarkelshac> akreao, i have the same problem as you are
[01:01] <akreao> Arg.
[01:01] <gluer> me too
[01:01] <ion_storm> um, is restricted modules broken? in the latest updates
[01:01] <volkodav_> check the disk space
[01:01] <volkodav_> df -h
[01:01] <Exilant> ion_storm: yes
[01:01] <conformer> i've had graphics problems in the past, but then i just had to wait for a new nvidia-glx-new
[01:02] <gluer> conf: im also getting cannot calculate the upgrade
[01:02] <volkodav_> try another driver
[01:02] <ion_storm> Exilant, any idea when this will be fixed
[01:02] <gluer> Could not calculate the upgrade
[01:02] <gluer> A unresolvable problem occurred while calculating the upgrade.
[01:02] <gluer>  This can be caused by:
[01:02] <gluer>  * Upgrading to a pre-release version of Ubuntu
[01:02] <gluer>  * Running the current pre-release version of Ubuntu
[01:02] <gluer>  * Unofficial software packages not provided by Ubuntu
[01:02] <akreao> I'm only using 21% of my HDD.
[01:02] <gluer> This is most likely a transient problem, please try again later.
[01:02] <ion_storm> why do they release updates that break systems
[01:02] <icanhasadmin> Question. WHY THE HECK does Hardy install and configure bluetooth when bluetooth isn't including on 95% of computers.
[01:02] <calc> ion_storm: for OOo ~ 10-12h
[01:02] <Exilant> or probably, linux-restricted-modules-2.6.24-14-generic just isn't uploaded/approved yet
[01:02] <icanhasadmin> Calc: you broke the whole word. the update manager is freaking out.
[01:03] <calc> ion_storm: its a development version, its not meant to be run by people who can't deal with problems :)
[01:03] <Exilant> icanhasadmin: you can buy a dongle for almost nothing
[01:03] <calc> icanhasadmin: heh
[01:03] <Dr_willis> !ohmy
[01:03] <ubotu> Please watch your language and topic to help keep this channel family friendly.
[01:03] <Dr_willis> :)
[01:03] <akreao> At least I have Gambas to play with until that's fixed.
[01:03] <conformer> mine would let me update, but it told me to do like sudo apt-get install -f or something like that
[01:03] <jaffarkelshac> the bluetooth thing is annoying but i actually have it on my pc
[01:03] <volkodav_> partial upgrade is a one way ticket in most cases hehe
[01:03] <conformer> then the partial upgrade worked
[01:03] <Dr_willis> I really wonder where the term 'dongle' comes from..
[01:03] <akreao> I can't do anything but a Patrial Upgrade...
[01:03] <conformer> but it kinda messed up some stuff
[01:03] <volkodav_> who the heck figured that option? lolz
[01:04] <shadowhywind> Is anyone around that can help me fix my printer issues ? worked in gutsy doesn't work in hardy
[01:04] <calc> Dr_willis: cause they hang out the side of laptops pcmcia slots? ;-)
[01:04] <volkodav_> localhost:631
[01:04] <jaffarkelshac> well my update is installing, chances are my system is about to crash
[01:04] <volkodav_> you got that right
[01:04] <tired> ummm... i have a big problem now.. restarted after the update and ubuntu is no longer seeing my gfx card
[01:04] <shadowhywind> volkodav_: well the odd part is that it says that my printer is ready and acceptting jobs
[01:04] <calc> Etymology: perhaps alteration of dangle
[01:04] <calc> Date: 1981
[01:05] <calc> so its older than pcmcia by a fair amount
[01:05] <volkodav_> check the job section
[01:05] <jaffarkelshac> ok now i dont feel like restarting
[01:05] <Stwange> how's hardy looking? Is it still quite buggy, or is it nearing completion?
[01:05] <tired> running in low gfx mode .. and went into restricted drivers and it's not seeing anything
[01:05] <volkodav_> see if any unfinished
[01:05] <conformer> same here tired
[01:05] <tired> :O
[01:05] <Prefix> oh wow, im 42p off a Ubuntu keyring :<
[01:05] <tired> did u just do the update?
[01:05]  * calc is pretty sure it was named that way as a reference to a certain male appendage
[01:05] <conformer> yeah
[01:05] <tired> lovely
[01:05] <Exilant> tired: there is a problem with the new kernel and restricted-modules
[01:05] <conformer> indeeed
[01:05] <jaffarkelshac> i did
[01:06] <ion_storm> why do they always release the kernel before restricted modules
[01:06] <akreao> So no one should upgrade yet?
[01:06] <tired> i <3 ubuntu but it definately just doens't love me back
[01:06] <Exilant> use the old kernel until linux-restricted-modules-2.6.24-14-generic is available
[01:06] <calc> akreao: not unless you want to sort it out manually
[01:06] <akreao> Alright.
[01:06] <conformer> mine shows it, but its grayed out
[01:06] <akreao> Not really.
[01:06] <Exilant> akreao: well, if you don't need it?
[01:06] <conformer> in the update manager
[01:06] <shadowhywind> volkodav_: i canceled all jobs, and send a new page. and nothing
[01:06] <jaffarkelshac> could not calulate upgrade is all i get
[01:07] <calc> dput -u openoffice.org-l10n_2.4.0-3ubuntu1_source.changes <- done!
[01:07] <ion_storm> ppl are going to say, windows update doesnt break my video, why does ubuntu
[01:07] <volkodav_> Ш рфв ыфьу ерштп ещвфн щт щту ща ьн щаашсу ищчут
[01:07] <ion_storm> lol
[01:07] <calc> so now just wait 10-12h for it to actually build
[01:07] <tired> *nods
[01:07] <tired> i'm going to reboot into vista until tomorrow i guess
[01:07] <tired> :"(
[01:07] <DanaG> eek, Greek?  Or cyrillic?
[01:07] <volkodav_> I had the same problem printing on my office boxen today
[01:07] <ion_storm> just use the older kernel
[01:07] <akreao> The kernal being better than windows also means that it's more complicated.
[01:07] <akreao> Meaning stuff can happen.
[01:07] <akreao> Stuff you don't like.
[01:07] <volkodav_> cyrillic
[01:08] <volkodav_> missed the layout
[01:08] <jaffarkelshac> well i am going to restart, if i dont come back coz its crashed, good  night
[01:08] <tired> how do i boot into the old kernel? .. is it in grub .. or do i need to do somethig in terminal?
[01:08] <DanaG> Yeah, but they could delay the release of new kernels -- or at least, delay the update of the metapackage.
[01:08] <akreao> And I guess we can't say too much because this version isn't even really released yet.
[01:08] <akreao> Yeah.
[01:08]  * calc is never bothered by all these upgrade issues, probably since he doesn't use update-manager :)
[01:09]  * tired just glowers at calc 
[01:09] <tired> :P
[01:09] <conformer> the final is released on the 24th right?
[01:09] <calc> i think i've opened it maybe three or four times in the past 4 years
[01:09] <calc> conformer: yea
[01:09] <tired> calc: ... how do i reboot into pref. kernel?
[01:09] <akreao> I'm getting Heron for my birthday. ^^
[01:09] <volkodav_> I am looking at the list of updates and it is pretty heavy to do partial with a new kernel is a killer
[01:10] <tired> *prev
[01:10] <conformer> sweet. so hopefully they wont be any more bugs by then. or at least very significantly reduced
[01:10] <calc> tired: did you uninstall it? if not just select the old one in grub
[01:10] <akreao> It should be done by my birthday.
[01:10] <tired> oh .. ok .. i walked away when i rebooted
[01:10] <tired> tks : )
[01:10] <akreao> 18th birthday + Heron = <3
[01:10] <conformer> well, im getting sick of this low graphics mode. i think ill just check back tomorrow
[01:10] <calc> i have two kernels installed on my machine currently the old one and today's (i guess)
[01:10] <calc> i manually remove the old ones after a while
[01:11] <calc> if you never remove the old kernels there may be a lot of them in your grub screen
[01:11] <Exilant> what's with those partial updates? is that a gnome-packagemanager thing?
[01:11] <calc> btw ooo-l10n took 445m53.173s to build on my relatively fast machine
[01:12] <akreao> Partial Update = not work right now.
[01:12] <calc> so it will probably take longer than that on the buildd
[01:12] <Exilant> puh, that's long
[01:12] <akreao> Noob Question - Wth are you talking about? >.<
[01:12] <Exilant> so let's be lucky we're not running gentoo :)
[01:12] <akreao> I'm fairly new to Linux.
[01:13] <volkodav_> путещщ шы ф зукаусе вшыекщ ещ дуфкт еру кщзуы
[01:13] <calc> akreao: upgrades are broken part due to openoffice.org-l10n package not being built and distributed yet
[01:13] <calc> akreao: it will probably take ~ 10 hours or so before its in the archive
[01:13] <volkodav_> gentoo is a perfect distro to learn the ropes
[01:13] <akreao> I can easily wait 10 hours.
[01:13] <calc> akreao: it took my faster than build server computer 7.5hr to build it
[01:13] <akreao> Yike.
[01:13] <calc> volkodav_: i like LFS for that better ;-)
[01:13] <volkodav_> heh - that is too much
[01:13] <calc> akreao: so the build server probably will take 10hr or so to build it
[01:13] <akreao> I'll stick with Ubuntu, I like it way more than Windows so far.
[01:14] <calc> it creates ~ 264MB of debs as a result of the build using LZMA compression
[01:14] <Exilant> volkodav_: nothing against gentoo, has some nice points. but all that compiling...
[01:14] <akreao> Though now I get to learn programming in this OS.
[01:14] <volkodav_> true
[01:14] <akreao> Anyone have any tips for a Windows programmer comming into Ubuntu?
[01:14] <calc> so the openoffice.org-l10n builds a really big amount of data
[01:14] <volkodav_> I was running ~x86
[01:14] <calc> akreao: look for development doc packages and make sure to install them to find info about libraries, etc
[01:15] <volkodav_> for couple of years -
[01:15] <calc> akreao: also learn about automake, autoconf, libtool
[01:15] <Exilant> akreao: well, what are you planning to do?
[01:15] <akreao> I'll go search though the package manager.
[01:15] <akreao> I'm using Gambas right now.
[01:15] <calc> akreao: if you are going to be writing c/c++ code anyway
[01:15] <akreao> Exilant: I'm coding an RPG.
[01:15] <calc> if you are using java, learn ant build system, etc
[01:15] <akreao> calc: Is there a CPP thingie for this OS?
[01:15] <Exilant> graphical?
[01:16] <akreao> Exilant: Yes.
[01:16] <calc> akreao: g++ compiler, yea
[01:16] <Exilant> of course
[01:16] <akreao> I'll search for that too.
[01:16] <calc> akreao: for c++ automake, autoconf, libtool will be helpful to learn
[01:16] <akreao> Gambas doesn't get me very far.
[01:16] <akreao> calc: Okay, thanks.
[01:16] <Luckrider_> Does anyone know how I can find out what Bluetooth hardware I have?
[01:16] <co0lingFir4> if i enter "sudo apt-get dist-upgrade" in terminal, it wants to remove firefox and other apps. is that normal?
[01:16] <calc> akreao: thats stuff used for building the code though not writing it directly
[01:16] <Exilant> akreao: well, you can use an engine, or use sdl or direct opengl
[01:16] <calc> akreao: for writing code eclipse is supposed to be nice
[01:17] <Luckrider_> co0lingFir4, yes
[01:17] <akreao> calc: Oh, nice, I've used eclipse before.
[01:17] <Luckrider_> it is installing the newest version
[01:17] <co0lingFir4> Luckrider_: oh thx for the info!
[01:17] <Luckrider_> np
[01:17] <akreao> So automake and all that are compiler/linkers?
[01:17] <JohnPhys> co0lingFir4:  what are you running?
[01:17] <Luckrider> It is the FF beta that hardy uses
[01:17] <calc> Accepted: openoffice.org-l10n 1:2.4.0-3ubuntu1 (source) <- yipee
[01:17] <co0lingFir4> JohnPhys: ubuntu hardy beta
[01:18] <co0lingFir4> Luckrider_: so is it also normal that the update via GUI does not work?
[01:18] <calc> akreao: it lets you not worry so much about the different syntax for linkers on different platforms
[01:18] <Luckrider> I am not sure about that
[01:18] <Luckrider> I did Hardy off a disk
[01:18] <Luckrider> bu
[01:18] <Luckrider> *but
[01:18] <Exilant> akreao: you might want to look for example at http://eisenstern.com/
[01:18] <calc> akreao: automake lets you write makefiles in a less complicated manner, autoconf for configure script, libtool does linking, etc (iirc)
[01:18] <Luckrider> when I did Fiesty, it reinstalled FF
[01:18] <Luckrider> and other prgrams
[01:18] <Exilant> they are building an rpg
[01:19] <akreao> Seems that they've got all the angles covered.
[01:19] <Luckrider> so... does anyone know how I can find out my bluetooth hardware?
[01:19] <calc> akreao: most open source programs use automake/autoconf/libtool for building since it makes it a lot easier to deal with
[01:19] <akreao> Exilant: The shadows are good in that engine.
[01:20] <akreao> I should check if they're lightmap for dynamic.
[01:20] <co0lingFir4> Luckrider: lspci? lsusb?
[01:20] <Luckrider> ok
[01:20] <Luckrider> thanks
[01:20] <co0lingFir4> no
[01:20] <co0lingFir4> prob
[01:21] <Exilant> akreao: i only know the game it's based on, newest package has no rpg in it afaik
[01:21] <calc> oh yea the new version of openoffice.org-l10n should allow you to remove openoffice.org (not the lang packs) without having to remove language-support-* as well
[01:21] <Luckrider> you know what, instead I am gonna go to the thinkpad wiki, they have ll of the basic specs there (I have an IBM thinkpad T42p)
[01:21] <akreao> Exilant: Do you know if it's build on a public available engine?
[01:21] <Exilant> it is
[01:22] <co0lingFir4> Luckrider: so the update should install firefox 3 beta 5?
[01:22] <akreao> Now I just have to get my hands on that engine. :P
[01:22] <Luckrider> either beta 4 or 5
[01:22] <mheath> Is it a known bug that during the install, ntfsresize does not report its progress to the partitioner progress dialog?
[01:22] <akreao> I suck for coding an entire engine.
[01:23] <Exilant> yeah, that's a lot of work
[01:23] <co0lingFir4> Luckrider: beta 4 is preinstalled with hardy beta
[01:23] <Luckrider> yeah
[01:23] <co0lingFir4> Luckrider: but it didnt install the new beta 5 for me...
[01:23] <Luckrider> oh
[01:23] <Luckrider> ok
[01:23] <Luckrider> so  yeah
[01:23] <Luckrider> it should be 5
[01:23] <Exilant> and there are several 3d-engines, crystalspace, ogre3d, irrlicht, quake1(?)/2/3
[01:24] <akreao> I'm looking for an engine that looks good and can be used on Linux.
[01:24] <co0lingFir4> Luckrider: any idea why it didnt install it?
[01:24] <Exilant> available under gpl or other free licenses
[01:24] <Luckrider> I am not sure
[01:24] <akk> Anyone know why installing xserver-xorg-video-savage wants to pull in 40 other packages including things like python-glade2 and displayconf-gtk?
[01:24] <akreao> Yup.
[01:24] <Luckrider> I haven't had to install version 5 yet
[01:25] <Luckrider> I still have version 4
[01:25] <Exilant> akreao: well, afaik nothing looks as beautiful as recent windows games
[01:25] <akk> Is it really impossible to install an X server without also installing gtk? (I do want gtk eventually, but it seems like this shouldn't need it)
[01:25] <co0lingFir4> Luckrider: but u are using hardy beta?
[01:25] <h3sp4wn> akk: turn off treating recommends as dependancies
[01:25] <Luckrider> yes
[01:26] <akreao> exilant: Well, I don't need to try that hard. I just don't want it to look like Half-Life 1
[01:26] <co0lingFir4> is firefox 3 beta 5 already in the repo?
[01:26] <Dr_willis> theres a lot of odd.. reccomendations in some packages ive seen
[01:26] <Luckrider> I havn't been promted to update again
[01:26] <Luckrider> I am not sure
[01:26] <Luckrider> you might want to ask a developer
[01:26] <Exilant> but you can install sauerbraten (it's own engine) or nexuiz (afaik some quake engine), play a bit and see how it looks
[01:26] <Luckrider> they know morw
[01:26] <Luckrider> *morw
[01:26] <Luckrider> *more
[01:26] <Luckrider> man
[01:26] <co0lingFir4> what if u do the "sudo apt-get dist-upgrade" in terminal?
[01:26] <Luckrider> very bad spelling
[01:26] <co0lingFir4> @Luckrider
[01:26] <Luckrider> I am not sure
[01:26] <Luckrider> I don't upgrade that way
[01:26] <akk> h3sp4wn: Thanks, will do
[01:27] <Luckrider> let me check
[01:27] <akreao> exilant: I'm getting and trying sauerbraten.
[01:27] <Luckrider> It says that I am fully updated
[01:27] <co0lingFir4> Luckrider: hmmm strange...
[01:27] <Luckrider> yeah
[01:28] <co0lingFir4> maybe just a bug in my sys...
[01:28] <Luckrider> where are you located
[01:28] <Exilant> really, no restrictes-modules held back?
[01:28] <Luckrider> location could be the difference
[01:28] <co0lingFir4> u mean lang?
[01:28] <Luckrider> possibly update lag for region
[01:28] <morphir> is kubuntu hardy (w/ kde4) using pulseaudio?
[01:28] <gregory> will pulseaudio be default in all incarnations of hardy heron?
[01:29] <Luckrider> I am in the states, it is possible that we aare slow to get the latest update
[01:29] <h3sp4wn> Exilant: One day we should get ut3
[01:29] <co0lingFir4> Luckrider: ^^ that wouldnt be fair...
[01:29] <Luckrider> I know
[01:29] <gluer> what the heck is sauerbraten?? its making me hungry lol
[01:29] <Luckrider> but it makes sense
[01:29] <Luckrider> i am connecting to a local server for updates
[01:29] <morphir> gluer, a game (fps)
[01:29] <gluer> mor: found it, installing now
[01:29] <Luckrider> it is possible that that server hasn't gotten those updates
[01:29] <derspankster> FF3 B5 is available from Mozilla
[01:30] <Exilant> gluer: a 3d-fps
[01:30] <co0lingFir4> Luckrider: but the strange thing is, it said it would remove firefox but actually it didnt...
[01:30] <gluer> derspan: how to install FF3 B5?
[01:30] <Luckrider> oh
[01:30] <Exilant> no real clue why they choose the odd name
[01:30] <Luckrider> that is realistic
[01:30] <co0lingFir4> derspankster: yep, but not in the repos yet or am i wrong?
[01:30] <derspankster> not in repos
[01:31] <co0lingFir4> how can i start an app always maximized?
[01:31] <Luckrider> I don;t know
[01:32] <co0lingFir4> because it's quite annoying to always click on the maximize icon in firefox etc
[01:32] <calc> ooo l10n started building 7min ago
[01:32] <Luckrider> oh
[01:32] <Geekthras> I'm having some difficulty with hardy recently
[01:32] <Geekthras> when I log on, it shows a black screen with just the cursor
[01:32] <Geekthras> any suggestions?
[01:32] <calc> https://edge.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/openoffice.org-l10n/1:2.4.0-3ubuntu1/+build/553481 <- shortly after this is done building it should be ok to upgrade
[01:33] <Luckrider> does anyone know hw to find out what cdc devices I have
[01:33] <Pici> cdc?
[01:33] <co0lingFir4> whats cdc?
[01:33] <co0lingFir4> u mean cd?
[01:33] <Luckrider> that is what thinkwiki says my bluetooth is
[01:33] <Luckrider> no, not cd
[01:33] <Luckrider> hold on
[01:33] <Luckrider> http://thinkwiki.org/wiki/Category:T42p
[01:33] <Luckrider> look at the hardware
[01:34] <Luckrider> #  CDC slot with one of the following:
[01:34] <Luckrider>     * IBM Integrated 56K Modem (MDC-2)
[01:34] <Luckrider>     * IBM Integrated Bluetooth III with 56K Modem (BMDC-2)
[01:34] <Pici> Luckrider: I imagine it should be listed in lspci
[01:34] <Luckrider> I tied that
[01:34] <Luckrider> and it is all
[01:35] <Luckrider> wireless, and soundcards, and stuff of that nature
[01:35] <calc> Luckrider: doesn't show up under lsusb either?
[01:35] <co0lingFir4> Luckrider: did u try searching for "ibm" or related?
[01:35] <Luckrider> nope
[01:35] <Luckrider> there is no devices in usb
[01:36] <Luckrider> how do I do that
[01:36] <timboy> ltsp sucks without compiz
[01:36] <Luckrider> I am a device noob with linux
[01:36] <Pici> Luckrider: try: sudo lshw | less
[01:36] <Luckrider> thanks
[01:37] <Luckrider> nope
[01:37] <Luckrider> it say the computer
[01:37] <Luckrider> nothing else
[01:37] <Luckrider> sudo lshw | less
[01:37] <Luckrider> oops
[01:37] <Luckrider> wrong thing
[01:37] <Luckrider> description: Notebook
[01:37] <Luckrider>     product: 2373C61
[01:37] <Luckrider>     vendor: IBM
[01:37] <Luckrider>     version: ThinkPad T42p
[01:37] <Luckrider>     serial: 99G2NFF
[01:37] <Luckrider>     width: 32 bits
[01:37] <Luckrider>     capabilities: smbios-2.33 dmi-2.33
[01:37] <Luckrider>     configuration: administrator_password=disabled boot=normal chassis=notebook frontpanel_password=unknown keyboard_password=disabled power-on_password=disabled uuid=56731081-4723-11CB-B750-EB40E0AB59D3
[01:37] <Luckrider>   *-core
[01:37] <Luckrider>        description: Motherboard
[01:37] <Luckrider>        product: 2373C61
[01:37] <Luckrider>        vendor: IBM
[01:37] <Luckrider>        physical id: 0
[01:37] <Luckrider>        version: Not Available
[01:37] <Luckrider>        serial: J1YPH53N15P
[01:37] <Luckrider>      *-firmware
[01:37] <Luckrider>           description: BIOS
[01:37] <Luckrider>           vendor: IBM
[01:38] <Luckrider>           physical id: 0
[01:38] <calc> er you should have used pastebin for that
[01:38] <Luckrider>           version: 1RETDPWW (3.21 ) (06/02/2006)
[01:38] <Luckrider> that is the list it gives
[01:38] <Luckrider> oh
[01:38] <Luckrider> sorry
[01:38] <Luckrider> how do I do that
[01:38] <Luckrider> ?
[01:38] <calc> !pastebin
[01:38] <ubotu> pastebin is a service to post multiple-lined texts so you don't flood the channel. The Ubuntu pastebin is at http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org (make sure you give us the URL for your paste - see also the channel topic)
[01:38] <Luckrider> thanks
[01:41] <Eroick> hey, today a new update was available for hardy, I installed it and now it wants me to do a partial upgrade. the upgrade fails every time though. anyone else having this problem?
[01:41] <JohnPhys> anytime someone logs in it should just show that pastebin link to that person
[01:41] <Exilant> Eroick: there are problems with OOo-i10n and the new restricted modules
[01:42] <Luckrider> ok
[01:42] <Luckrider> thanks to the thinkwiki page
[01:42] <Luckrider> I found out that my bluetooth was not enabled
[01:42] <Eroick> Exilant: ok, i also notice just now that something has happened to the ubuntu artwork. all the progress bars are blue instead of brown and everything is just uglier in general.
[01:43] <Exilant> i'm on kubuntu, don't know
[01:44] <derspankster> Eroick:mine looks just fine
[01:44] <derspankster> human theme
[01:46] <Dr_willis> on Kubuntu here also... :)
[01:46] <Dr_willis> and xubuntu
[01:50] <Eroick> ok, so the update will work some time in the future?
[01:51] <Exilant> yes, ~10h for openoffice, restricted modules unknown
[01:51] <Exilant> good night everyone
[01:52] <Eroick> Exilant: thanks!
[01:57] <eghjaytee> Hello can someone please point me to a page that will help me figure out how to fix dependencies?
[01:57] <cge> For some reason, I seem to be having a problem with gtk themes not applying after the latest updates - is anyone else having this problem?
[02:00] <h3sp4wn> eghjaytee: http://algebraicthunk.net/~dburrows/projects/aptitude/doc/en/index.html
[02:00] <eghjaytee> thank you h3sp4wn
[02:06] <mheath> ARe there any known bugs with the parititioner in the Beta install? It just took 2 hours to resize a parition.
[02:07] <mheath> On a system with modern SATA disks, fast processor...The partition was an NTFS one I had just defragmented.
[02:08] <mheath> *partition, that is
[02:12] <Silvano> are there any huge differences between hardy server and 7.10?
[02:13] <eghjaytee> I am getting an error when I use apt to install linux-xen it is:   linux-xen: Depends: linux-restricted-modules-xen (= 2.6.24.14.16) but it is not going to be installed
[02:13] <eghjaytee> but that package does not exist
[02:13] <gregory> will pulseaudio be the default in kubuntu hardy?
[02:15] <billisnice> today was a bad day for me and 8.04, the updates seemed to me as down dates
[02:16] <TheAsp> any chance I can get the previous kernel packages than what is in the repository?
[02:37] <Gilou> ah.
[02:37] <Gilou> hi so
[02:37] <desertpenquin> anyone going through update manager wanting to do partial updates and failing?
[02:38] <Gilou> since I've upgraded to Hardy Heron on my laptop, I have huge error messages coming from the kernel whenever HAL starts
[02:38] <Gilou> messages look like that one:
[02:38] <Gilou> http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/61973/
[02:38] <Jordan_U> desertpenquin, I am
[02:38] <desertpenquin> ok so this is a known issue well I guess I am glad it is not just me
[02:39] <Gilou> desertpenquin> I had to do it 2 or 3 times to get my install upgraded, but it was because of a bad internet connection ;)
[02:39] <derspankster> Gilou: it's open office that's causing the problem. should be ok tomorrow
[02:39] <Gilou> ah
[02:39] <Gilou> derspankster> the HAL prob?
[02:39] <Gilou> how can OpenOffice have an impact on the way HAL behaves?
[02:39] <eghjaytee> why are there packages missing? I have stuff depending on linux-restricted-modules-2.6.24-14-xen but linux-restricted-modules-2.6.24-14-xen has no installation candidate
[02:40] <Gilou> (I'm just curious here... it might be a dependency I wouldn't know of, but well, sounds weird :))
[02:41] <desertpenquin> thanks for your input I sure appreciate it
[02:51] <Gilou> hm some packages are being updated
[02:51] <Gilou> I'll wait a few days I guess then I'll give it a try
[02:52] <Gilou> but those kernel bugs make me nervous
[02:54] <derspankster> Gilou:it's a beta, be patient
[02:55] <DanaG> Argh, I keep getting random hard lockups.
[02:55] <spiderfire> im compiling my own kernel
[02:55] <DanaG> This time, it happened when I left my laptop with the lid closed for a while, while under Compiz.
[02:55] <spiderfire> but i got way too many modules
[02:56] <akk> Is there any documentation on /etc/apt/apt.conf.d? I'm trying to figure out where to turn off Install-Recommends
[02:56] <Luckrider> DanaG, weren't you here the other day complaining of the same problem?
[02:56] <akk> and I see a section in /etc/apt/apt.conf.d/01ubuntu but I don't understand the syntax
[02:57] <DanaG> yup.
[02:57] <Luckrider> that sucks
[02:57] <Luckrider> try configureing the power setting
[02:57] <Luckrider> Mine would lock up if I left it closed with fiesty, I changed the power save setting, and that fixed that
[02:57] <Luckrider> other than that though
[02:58] <Luckrider> I have no more advice for lock ups
[02:58] <DanaG> I have it set to "Do Nothing" on lid close.
[02:58] <Luckrider> oh
[02:58] <Luckrider> Have you tried checking the bios power settigns, DanaG?
[02:58] <Luckrider> that was my second problem
[02:58] <spiderfire> what does hot plug mean?
[02:59] <Luckrider>  DanaG?
[03:00] <Luckrider> sorry that I can't help you more, Got to go to bed.
[03:00] <ReL1K> so im hearing its a bad day to update from gutsy? hehe
[03:01] <derspankster> I updated yesterday, had some issues
[03:01] <ReL1K> anything major?
[03:01] <derspankster> No, the usual, wireless
[03:02] <ReL1K> what type of comp do you have?
[03:02] <derspankster> my test machine is an acer laptop, haven't upgraded my desktop yet
[03:03] <derspankster> Will likely just wait for final on the desktop
[03:03] <Gilou> derspankster> my acer has a hard time :)
[03:03] <Gilou> and I will have it the same way
[03:03] <ReL1K> hmmm i think i might wait as well
[03:03] <Gilou> my desktop has to be always available for work so..
[03:03] <DanaG> Oh yeah, I only started having the lockup problem recently.
[03:03] <ReL1K> this is my main comp, but i have everything backed up and i dont mind rebuilding
[03:04] <derspankster> My main complaint with the acer is the lousy SIS video
[03:04] <earl_> hey guys. did that package update that broke stuff last night get fixed?
[03:06] <earl_> pretty sure it was an update to the default ubuntu theme
[03:06] <Gilou> earl_> there is another dep problem with OO.org it seems now ;)
[03:06] <earl_> say what
[03:07] <derspankster> Open Office
[03:07] <earl_> right i know but what is the problem
[03:07] <ReL1K> to upgrade or to not upgrade
[03:07] <ReL1K> hmmmmm
[03:08] <mheath> earl_: _which_ package update that broke stuff, is the question, I think. :P
[03:08] <jimmygoon> Why was autoremove going to remove my icedtea package and gtk2-eninges-murrine which are both ... needed?
[03:08] <derspankster> I miss my FF extensions
[03:08] <zcat[1]> I miss the other half of openoffice.org... It's all gone since this morning's upgrade :(
[03:08] <ReL1K> derp, i take it 3.0 plugins dont work with 2./
[03:08] <IdleOne> jimmygoon: autoremove only removes the .debs not the installed package
[03:09] <jimmygoon> I'm not saying you're wrong but,
[03:09] <jimmygoon> "The following packages were automatically installed and are no longer required:".... seems misleading then
[03:09] <derspankster> Eel1K:yes, I'm aware of that
[03:09] <IdleOne> jimmygoon: hmmm
[03:10] <IdleOne> jimmygoon: probably being replaced by other package?
[03:10] <Wrath> i thought autoremove removed packages, clean removed debs
[03:10] <dwidmann> hmm, is it me or is the build-essential metapackage missing right now
[03:10] <IdleOne> Wrath: you know what you are right I am thinking of autoclean
[03:10] <jimmygoon> I dunna, but a kernel update with no restricted modules.... sucks....
[03:10]  * dwidmann apt-get updates just to be sure
[03:10] <mheath> jimmygoon: indeed.
[03:11] <ReL1K> derspankster: was more of a question than a statement :P
[03:11] <mheath> jimmygoon: Made my first taste of hardy quite nasty, when, after all the trouble I had, I updated to broken graphics
[03:11] <mheath> Not a happy day for me. Install was rough, updates was rough, the results of the updates were rough. :(
[03:11] <Wrath> hardy isnt really ready for using as a main os
[03:11] <Wrath> at least i dont think so
[03:11] <jimmygoon> heh, I'm also looking forward to rebuilding my vmware kernel extensions :/
[03:12] <ReL1K> so im getting it that i shouldn't update to hardy from gutsy eh? hehe
[03:12] <jimmygoon> nah, its fine ReL1K .. this is an expected and usual occurence with kernel updates (Esp with unstable releases)
[03:12] <mheath> I had a nightmarish process with the repartitioner during the install
[03:12] <akk> h3sp4wn: You suggested a while ago that I turn off treating recommends as dependancies ... I'm hitting a complete blank in google figuring out how to do that in /etc/apt/apt.conf.d
[03:12] <derspankster> ReL1K: no offense taken. Very few FF3 extensions currently available
[03:12] <mheath> Took 2 hours to resize a NTFS partition by a little bit
[03:13] <IdleOne> well I just did an update and no issues with the packages that were able to be downloaded and installed
[03:13] <jimmygoon> (brb, must reboot into old kernel)
[03:13] <mheath> And then all of the install status bar windows became tiny so you couldn't see progress or details.
[03:13] <IdleOne> OO.org is broke or something and linux-kernel-generic
[03:13]  * kumarphilly is away: Umm Ping if urgent and ill see when i come back
[03:13] <DanaG> Wow, the older non-"pasty-faced" GDM theme does look way better, in my opinion.
[03:14]  * kumarphilly is back (gone 00:00:02)
[03:14] <h3sp4wn> akk: I use aptitude so I don't know
[03:14] <DanaG> The new one makes me think it'd get a sunburn too easily, or something.
[03:14] <akk> h3sp4wn: I also use aptitude -- does it not use that directory?
[03:14] <akk> h3sp4wn: There's a file 05aptitude there, so I was assuming those files applied to aptitude as well.
[03:14] <Gilou> on the 2.6.20-15-386 kernel my Hardy seems more reliable :p
[03:14]  * kumarphilly is away: Umm Ping if urgent and ill see when i come back
[03:14]  * kumarphilly is back (gone 00:00:02)
[03:15] <nosrednaekim> !away | kumarphilly
[03:15] <ubotu> kumarphilly: You should avoid changing your nick in a busy channel like #ubuntu - it causes unrequired scrolling which is unfair to new users.  (Please set your preferred nick in your client's settings instead.)  The same goes for using noisy away messages; use the command "/away <reason>" to set your client away silently.  See also «/msg ubotu Guidelines»
[03:15] <h3sp4wn> akk: You can set it in the user interface in aptitude
[03:15] <akk> h3sp4wn: Oh, okay, I just use it non-interactively. Does it remember, if you set it in the UI?
[03:15] <kumarphilly> nosrednaekim, dude im getting used to this new irc client chill out
[03:17] <h3sp4wn> akk: Yep
[03:17] <bazhang> kumarphilly: you can create your own group #kumarphilly and practice there thanks
[03:18] <IdleOne> bazhang: only if he parts the #ubuntu's will we not see it
[03:18] <kumarphilly> yes
[03:19] <zcat[1]> anyone know where I can find a 64-bit build of non-ubuntufied openoffice
[03:19] <bazhang> IdleOne: well that would be the point, right? practicing and getting advice seem to be exclusive ;]
[03:19] <kumarphilly> I wouldhave to leave the channel in order for it to "not bother you"
[03:19] <IdleOne> being as the rules state using away scripts are annoying and not allowed . I believe bazhang and nosrednaekim had the right to ask you to stop
[03:19] <bazhang> kumarphilly: if any ops happen along you might wish you had stopped
[03:19] <macogw> is anyone else unable to login after today's updates?
[03:20] <ptn107> zcat[1]: http://download.openoffice.org/other.html#en-US  ?
[03:20] <IdleOne> macogw: I rather not try and find out ;/
[03:20] <macogw> gdmgreeter won't finish loading...its seems to be in an infinite loop
[03:20] <zcat[1]> macogw: ummm.. are you saying I should log out..? I just updated!
[03:20] <macogw> ok its not necessarily *today's* updates since i hadnt updated for about a week prior to this...
[03:20] <zcat[1]> *shouldn't
[03:20] <zcat[1]> ptn107: they seem to be only i386
[03:20] <macogw> nobody else had the issue when i asked earlier
[03:21] <macogw> but im getting a spinning ninja star of doom on gdm
[03:21] <ptn107> zcat[1]: yeah i see that, im searchin..
[03:21] <macogw> (its not colorful like apple's beachball, so it can't be a spinning beachball)
[03:21] <bazhang> no updates for me the last two days..odd; except for 7 that are held back
[03:21] <kumarphilly> nah im not denying bazhang or nosrednaekim rules are rules....BUT I am getting used to a new irc client and you have to understand my position
[03:21] <Jordan_U> macogw, Seems to be in an infinite loop as in it's not doing anything or as in it is visibly doing the same thing over and over?
[03:22] <derspankster> macogw:I have not had that issue
[03:22] <macogw> Jordan_U: as it it's spinning the cursor endlessly
[03:22] <Gilou> hmm kernel 2.6.24-14 seems on its way
[03:22] <zcat[1]> kumarphilly: If your break channel rules, your position will be out in the hallway..
[03:22]  * Gilou prays
[03:22] <mheath> kumarphilly: Perhaps it would have been best, then, to have responded to him by saying "Sorry! It was an accident...I'm getting used to a new IRC client."
[03:23] <nosrednaekim> indeed.... kindness pays :)
[03:23] <mheath> kumarphilly: Either way, it seems like now would be a good time to just drop it and get on with it. Bickering will just make each other angrier.
[03:23] <bazhang> ;]
[03:23] <kumarphilly> zcat[1], but dude its totaly not my fault I didnt know that it does that when you go away until I got a ping on every channel
[03:23] <kumarphilly> yes mheath
[03:23] <kumarphilly> I fixed it anyway
[03:23] <macogw> 9 minutes it's been spinning there...
[03:23] <macogw> i forgot to stop gdm before getting on irc
[03:23] <zcat[1]> I wonder how much effort is involved in building OOo from source..
[03:23] <kumarphilly> hmm something is strange
[03:23] <macogw> gdmgreeter is using 102% of cpu according to top though
[03:24] <RAOF> zcat[1]: A large, large amount of RAM & CPU time.
[03:24] <IdleOne> kumarphilly: what client you using anyway?
[03:24] <ptn107> zcat[1]: can't you just get the source from ubuntu's repos; do they provide the original source there ?
[03:24] <mheath> zcat[1]: Quite a bit, last time I attempted to do it. Granted, that was back in Open office 1.x days.
[03:24] <mheath> zcat[1]: It was a nasty, complicated process at the time.
[03:25] <zcat[1]> I suspect it's worse, not better .. OOo is a lot bigger now
[03:25] <mheath> (Not the mention the considerable CPU time it required, as others have pointed out)
[03:25] <DanaG> What's with the new, washed-out GDM theme?
[03:25] <kumarphilly> IdleOne, xchat
[03:25] <Gilou> hm seems  like there's a new conflict between linux-386 and linux-image-386 :p
[03:25] <Jordan_U> mheath, It takes a LOOONG time to compile Open Office :)
[03:25] <kumarphilly> I somehow enabled "announce away messages"
[03:26] <kumarphilly> but the people at #xchat helped me
[03:26] <ptn107> zcat[1]: from what i read you have to compile it from the same source as the x86 version using a x86_64 build option during compile
[03:26] <macogw> mheath: even Gentoo has OOo binaries due to compile times
[03:26] <mheath> Jordan_U: Yes, I know :) You're talking to someone who used to compile Star Office on a 400Mhz system. :)
[03:26] <DanaG> I liked the old one so much better.
[03:26] <Gilou> macogw> WHAT!??!!!
[03:26] <Gilou> pussies.
[03:26] <Gilou> :)
[03:26] <nosrednaekim> well, you can get the sources too :)
[03:27] <Gilou> aaah.
[03:27] <nosrednaekim> but yeah.. its takes like 12 hours on a 1.5ghz celeron
[03:27] <nosrednaekim> :)
[03:27] <Wrath> and let it compile overnight lol
[03:27] <IdleOne> !ohmy | Gilou
[03:27] <ubotu> Gilou: Please watch your language and topic to help keep this channel family friendly.
[03:27] <Gilou> so long for still using a celeron!!
[03:27] <nosrednaekim> pussies? lol
[03:27] <kumarphilly> wth you doing with a 1.5 celeron
[03:27] <IdleOne> nosrednaekim: please
[03:28] <mheath> nosrednaekim: the message given to Gilou applies to you too. Thats generally considered an offensive word to many people.
[03:28] <nosrednaekim> errr really?oh, sorry
[03:28] <kumarphilly> you guys needa check out someting like #joomla
[03:28] <macogw> mheath: not to Tom on Tom & Jerry!
[03:28]  * nosrednaekim thought it meant kittens
[03:28] <IdleOne> it's simple if you would not use the word in front of a kindergarden classroom then dont use it here .
[03:28] <kumarphilly> now this is my opinion and I abide witht he rules and all,BUT I think a lot of time is spent worrying about the rules then getting the job done.... but that is just my opion
[03:28] <macogw> and Tweetie's always calling Sylvester the "puddy tat"
[03:29] <Black_Magic> well i just updated and its saying its having problems with
[03:29] <Gilou> come on..
[03:29] <Black_Magic> cupsys hplip hpijs
[03:29] <Black_Magic> and bluez-cups
[03:29] <mheath> Hmm, another weird issue
[03:29]  * Gilou upgrades to 2.6.24-14 and prays hard
[03:29] <mheath> Login Window Preferences took about 5 minutes and tons of hard drive spinning to start.
[03:29] <IdleOne> kumarphilly: then perhaps you need to get the "job" done but inforcing and applying the rules help others get the job done
[03:29] <macogw> mheath: maybe related to my issue?
[03:29] <zcat[1]> I always though calling someone that was comparing them to a weak little kitten, not the other meaning..
[03:29] <DanaG> sudo md5sum /dev/sr0
[03:29] <DanaG> md5sum: /dev/sr0: Input/output error
[03:29] <DanaG> wtf?
[03:29] <macogw> mheath: my issue being the that the login window won't load
[03:30] <Gilou> looks like I'll still have the issue :(
[03:30] <kumarphilly> !language | DanaG
[03:30] <ubotu> DanaG: Please watch your language and topic to help keep this channel family friendly.
[03:30] <bazhang> heh
[03:30] <DanaG> Aren't you being a bit picky there?
[03:30] <zcat[1]> so I wouldn't have considered it offensive.. but whatever..
[03:30] <IdleOne> lmAO
[03:30] <macogw> kumarphilly: wtf and the actual spell-out of f* are pretty thoroughly separated
[03:30] <Wrath> >.>
[03:30] <kumarphilly> oops
[03:30] <kumarphilly> sorry
[03:30] <Wrath> being a bit strict :s
[03:30] <macogw> kumarphilly: what the fudge, worse than failure....
[03:30] <kumarphilly> trying to get used to this
[03:30] <kumarphilly> sorry
[03:30] <kumarphilly> sorry
[03:30] <DanaG> heh.  No hard feelings. (voice of turret in Portal.)
[03:31] <bazhang> easy on that enter key ;]
[03:31] <kumarphilly> hah
[03:31] <kumarphilly> sorry=/
[03:31] <bazhang> portal is in the repos?
[03:31] <kumarphilly> anyone here compare hostgator to dreamhost
[03:31] <IdleOne> kumarphilly: enter key and " . " period key are not interchangeable
[03:31] <bazhang> !info portal
[03:31] <ubotu> Package portal does not exist in hardy
[03:32] <macogw> kumarphilly: um dreamhost is good. never used the other.
[03:32] <kumarphilly> ah
[03:32] <kumarphilly> thanks
[03:32] <macogw> $120/yr with shell access and one-click-installs for all the niceties like joomla and jabber and whatnot...
[03:32] <macogw> unlimited email addresses
[03:32] <mheath> macogw: Try updating again? There was apparently a gnome-settings-daemon update released just within the last hour or so...though I don't know what it addresses.
[03:33] <Black_Magic> Anyone know why im getting a dist-upgrade again?
[03:33] <kumarphilly> macogw, dream?
[03:33] <Black_Magic> i already have hard :/
[03:33] <Black_Magic> *hardy
[03:33] <DanaG> I wonder why I'm getting an error on trying to read the CD.
[03:33] <macogw> havent had any major problems with them.  2 days in the last year the site was slow. 1 day the email addresses had to have "OK" hit on them to refresh the passwords.  yes, dreamhost
[03:33] <mheath> Black_Magic: Are you getting that same "Attempt a Partial Upgrade" thing I was getting on a fresh install?
[03:33] <macogw> mheath: i did it a few minutes ago
[03:33] <macogw> mheath: didnt help
[03:33] <Black_Magic> mheath: Err mmhmm...
[03:34] <axisys> is there a 64bit version ubuntu available?
[03:34] <Black_Magic> Cannot fully upgrade packages partial upgrade
[03:34] <DanaG> Oh, and Portal is a Source engine game available on Steam.
[03:34] <kumarphilly> axisys, yes
[03:34] <Black_Magic> then it installs upgrades and then afterwards asks for dist-upgrade...
[03:34] <DanaG> Closed-source.
[03:34] <Melch> anyone know why i can't update the kernel?
[03:34] <DanaG> Of course.  (hey, that rhymed.)
[03:34] <mheath> Black_Magic: I think its because a kernel upgrade package is broken at the moment.
[03:34] <Black_Magic> and has problems with  cupsys
[03:34] <Black_Magic>  hplip
[03:34] <Black_Magic>  hpijs
[03:34] <Black_Magic>  bluez-cups
[03:34] <Melch> it is a problem with the kernel update
[03:34] <macogw> Black_Magic: kernel upgrades use dist-upgrade
[03:34] <Melch> yah it won't go
[03:34] <mheath> Black_Magic: Yep, I had the same problems..
[03:34] <macogw> Melch: some dependency's probably not done compiling
[03:35] <IdleOne> guys slow down and dont do updates for the next couple hours or so.
[03:35] <axisys> kumarphilly: how do I find out if my laptop can run 64 bit ubuntu?
[03:35] <Black_Magic> anyway to fix it...
[03:35] <mheath> Black_Magic: Everything worked out in the end, except for a broken kernel (missing the restricted drivers), but they're hopefully fixing that soon.
[03:35] <IdleOne> all you are doing is hitting the servers and with request they cant answer
[03:35] <Black_Magic> err im staying away from upgrades...
[03:35] <Melch> macogw does that mean it will say i can update just the servers are f'ed?
[03:35] <kumarphilly> axisys, A) what kinda cpu do you have B) did you run 64 bit anything before
[03:35] <Black_Magic> i needs my restricted drivers
[03:35] <Black_Magic> just for internet
[03:36] <mheath> Black_Magic: Yeah, they'll break it right now.
[03:36] <kumarphilly> what are all the bot commands for #ubuntu
[03:36] <torpedo|dog> so I'm NOT the only one with this issue.
[03:36] <Melch> just wait till tomorrow
[03:36] <Black_Magic> dont i need hplip and hpijs?
[03:36] <Melch> it should be fixed
[03:36] <IdleOne> kumarphilly: probably a couple hundred of them'
[03:36] <mheath> torpedo|dog: The broken linux-restricted-modules thing?
[03:36] <Melch> u should be able to update everything but the kernel
[03:36] <kumarphilly> IdleOne, is there a list anywhere
[03:36] <torpedo|dog> yep, just reading what Black_Magic said
[03:36] <IdleOne> !ubotu
[03:36] <ubotu> I am ubotu, all-knowing infobot. You can browse my brain at http://ubotu.ubuntu-nl.org/factoids.cgi - Usage info: http://wiki.ubuntu.com/UbuntuBots
[03:36] <axisys> kumarphilly: http://rafb.net/p/DW5u9Y93.html
[03:36] <mheath> Yep, apparently a known issue, its brand new too, and should be fixed by tomorrow.
[03:36] <axisys> kumarphilly: B) only in solaris
[03:37] <torpedo|dog> thanks, mheath
[03:37] <Black_Magic> im scared to reboot now...
[03:37] <torpedo|dog> Black_Magic: don't reboot. :-C
[03:37] <mheath> Black_Magic: If you went through a full dist-upgrade, you won't have restricted-modules when you reboot.
[03:37] <mheath> So, don't :P
[03:37] <Gilou> nice one
[03:37] <Black_Magic> mheath: it stopped
[03:37]  * Gilou doesn't even need that to be stopped
[03:37] <kumarphilly> axisys, then it should work..
[03:37]  * torpedo|dog learnt that by experience
[03:37] <Black_Magic> mheath: with dependency problem so i guess im ok
[03:37] <kumarphilly> I meant did you run any 64bit on the laptop...
[03:38] <Black_Magic> mheath: it didnt even retrive package info
[03:38] <axisys> kumarphilly: how do you know? teach me please
[03:38] <axisys> kumarphilly: no i did not
[03:38] <mheath> Black_Magic: Oh, OK, you didn't get as far as I did.
[03:38] <torpedo|dog> would the l-r-m issue also be a cause for GDM just spinning before the login screen comes up?
[03:38] <macogw> mheath: did -13's stuff not go all the way through?
[03:38] <mheath> You stuck with the GUI dialogs, that eventually freak out and die.
[03:38] <axisys> kumarphilly: on solaris i run isainfo -v to find out if the os is 64 bit ?
[03:38] <mheath> I went to the command line and forced the upgrade, and things rapidly broke.
[03:38] <Kickboy> Hey all! I've been running the Hardy beta for a couple weeks now, and everything has been pretty smooth so far. Until I updated my packages a few days ago: Now compiz-fusion won't work, and can't find any debug information that could tell me why. When I try to enable "Extra" effects in "Appearance" I get the message "Desktop effects could not be enabled". Kinda stuck as to what to do from here. Anybody got suggestions?
[03:38] <Black_Magic> mheath: i think thats a good thing eh?
[03:38] <mheath> Black_Magic: Yep :P
[03:38] <checkers> hi all, I just upgraded my hardy x86 installing running on a lappy with ati card with `apt-get dist-upgrade` and the GUI is coming up as a white screen with the mouse cursor on top
[03:38] <macogw> i dont have l-r-m installed. none of my drivers are restricted.  iwl3945 is just plain missing in -13 though
[03:39] <checkers> anyone having simmilar issues?
[03:39] <macogw> checkers: can you login?
[03:39] <kumarphilly> axisys, I have to go to bed now someone 1 out of 320 people should be able to help ya...
[03:39] <kumarphilly> sorry
[03:39] <checkers> yes, i'm looking at the terminal now
[03:39] <Melch> i can't even do a distro upgrade
[03:39] <checkers> the GUI is just white though, so can't use it
[03:39] <Black_Magic> mheath: i think this week is a good week for me i have pretty good luck hopefully it continues
[03:39] <macogw> checkers: i mean through the GUI
[03:39] <macogw> checkers: i cant login through GDM
[03:39] <torpedo|dog> checkers: same problem here
[03:39] <checkers> what GPUs are you guys running?
[03:39] <torpedo|dog> GDM hangs with the spinny cursor
[03:39] <Gilou> does anyone know how long Hardy will be held in beta?
[03:39] <axisys> anyone knows how can I find out if my cpu is 64 bit capable?
[03:40] <mheath> Black_Magic: Haha. Yep :P
[03:40] <torpedo|dog> checkers: you guessed it, ATI
[03:40] <Gilou> axisys> /proc/cpuinfo can tell you about it
[03:40] <mheath> Black_Magic: better than mine. I just went through the most nigthmarish install and update process I've ever had with Ubuntu :(
[03:40] <checkers> what's the generic free ati driver called again?
[03:40] <Gilou> but we can tell you if you tell the model name ;)
[03:40] <Kickboy> Gilou: Final release of hardy is due at the end of this month I believe
[03:40] <DanaG> Argh, can't verify correctness of disc copy:
[03:40] <DanaG> md5sum /dev/scd0
[03:40] <DanaG> md5sum: /dev/scd0: Input/output error
[03:40] <macogw> intel for me
[03:40] <torpedo|dog> it's an issue with the latest kernel upgrade - linux-restricted-modules didn't go thru
[03:40] <Gilou> Kickboy> wow..
[03:40] <macogw> checkers: ati
[03:40] <Gilou> I have to hurry report this kernel bug then :p
[03:40] <Kickboy> :x
[03:40] <axisys> Gilou: http://rafb.net/p/Y7pcD833.html
[03:41] <macogw> april 24th
[03:41] <axisys> whats in that output says it is 64 bit?
[03:41] <Gilou> it does not support 64 bit
[03:41] <axisys> Gilou: how do u know?
[03:41] <checkers> torpedo|dog: ah yes, I see that in my apt here. so installing the free driver will presumeably work then for the moment?
[03:41] <DanaG> end_request: I/O error, dev sr0, sector 0
[03:41] <DanaG> Buffer I/O error on device sr0, logical block 0
[03:41] <axisys> Gilou: i want to find out what parameters says that
[03:41] <macogw> checkers: if its an old enough card, yeah...
[03:41] <torpedo|dog> checkers: I don't know, but it's certainly worth a shot.
[03:41] <torpedo|dog> right now I'm talking to you on irssi over tty1 ;)
[03:42] <checkers> what's the free driver package called?
[03:42] <macogw> on a computer which does not require l-r-m, what would cause -13 to not have wifi?
[03:42] <torpedo|dog> it's either "ati" or "radeon", but I can't remember which
[03:42] <macogw> did they leave the driver out?
[03:42] <axisys> anyone here knows "how" to find out if my cpu supports 64 bit http://rafb.net/p/Y7pcD833.html
[03:42] <macogw> torpedo|dog: in xorg.conf, it's ati, i believe
[03:42] <torpedo|dog> macogw: do you have intel wifi?
[03:42] <Gilou> axisys> I think it's the "lm" flag
[03:42] <macogw> torpedo|dog: yes
[03:42] <Gilou> but Pentium M are 32 bits processor
[03:42] <mheath> macogw: You don't have wifi?
[03:42] <torpedo|dog> that's part of l-r-m, I believe
[03:42] <macogw> mheath: no
[03:42] <macogw> torpedo|dog: nope
[03:43] <patifa> axisys what's that the output from?
[03:43] <macogw> torpedo|dog: ipw3945 had binary stuff in l-r-m.  iwl3945 doesn't.
[03:43] <mheath> macogw: Given that Ubuntu uses network-manager, now, it could be an issue in the gnome settings stuff
[03:43] <torpedo|dog> I see.
[03:43] <axisys> patifa: cat /proc/cpuinfo
[03:43] <axisys> patifa: http://rafb.net/p/Y7pcD833.html
[03:43] <macogw> i removed l-r-m a few days after installing hardy and realizing i had fully FOSS drivers
[03:43] <axisys> patifa: so i got one person said it is 64 bt and one says no 64 but
[03:43]  * checkers reboots...
[03:43] <axisys> bit
[03:43] <torpedo|dog> good luck, checkers
[03:43] <macogw> axisys: just tell us the model name
[03:43] <torpedo|dog> come back and tell me how it worked for you ;)
[03:44] <axisys> macogw: Intel(R) Pentium(R) M processor 1.60GHz
[03:44] <DanaG> ipw3945 worked far better than iwl3945, for me.
[03:44] <macogw> mheath: i'm not in gnome...i cant login
[03:44] <patifa> ug
[03:44] <patifa> which one is it
[03:44] <macogw> axisys: aww pentiums dont have the nice naming conventions.
[03:44] <DanaG> iwl3945 can cause things like ksoftirqd eating 100% of one core, or modprobe (to try to unload the module) eating 100% of the OTHER core.
[03:44] <torpedo|dog> I never noticed the difference personally, DanaG.  How did you find them different?
[03:44] <checkers> yup, that worked
[03:44] <torpedo|dog> oh, that's different
[03:44] <checkers> thanks torpedo|dog
[03:44] <DanaG> iwl3945 is buggy.
[03:44] <macogw> DanaG: havent had that issue
[03:44] <torpedo|dog> time for me to do the same then ;)
[03:45] <checkers> just had to change the driver over in xorg.conf
[03:45] <macogw> DanaG: i heard in the early alphas itd kernel panic, but it works fine for me now
[03:45] <DanaG> Try toggling wireless a few times, using both the hardware killswitch and the software toggle in NM.
[03:45] <checkers> let me check if it was ati or radon
[03:45] <axisys> macogw: cat /proc/cpuinfo
[03:45] <axisys> macogw: http://rafb.net/p/Y7pcD833.html
[03:45] <macogw> axisys: how do i open links from irssi in lynx?
[03:45] <patifa> oh
[03:45] <patifa> I know what those are
[03:45] <patifa> you need the flag called 'lm'
[03:45] <checkers> torpedo|dog: just changed Driver "fglrx" to "ati" in /etc/X11/xorg.conf
[03:45] <Gilou> [04:42:37] <Gilou>  axisys> I think it's the "lm" flag
[03:45] <Gilou> :p
[03:45] <macogw> axisys: i have no X
[03:45]  * checkers off now
[03:46] <axisys> macogw: ags           : fpu vme de pse tsc msr pae mce cx8 apic sep mtrr pge mca cmov pat clflush dts acpi mmx fxsr sse sse2 ss tm pbe nx up bts est tm2
[03:46] <axisys> macogw: flags           : fpu vme de pse tsc msr pae mce cx8 apic sep mtrr pge mca cmov pat clflush dts acpi mmx fxsr sse sse2 ss tm pbe nx up bts est tm2
[03:46] <macogw> axisys: O_o ok yeah idk
[03:47] <patifa> so yeah, you don't have lm or the other useful flag for 64 computing (which has _lm in it)
[03:47] <axisys> patifa: ok.. thnx
[03:50] <torpedo|dog> Well, switching to ati didn't help too much :(
[03:50] <zcat[1]> hmm, loks like I'll just use the windows version of OOo that I installed in WIne until hardy gets this sorted out
[03:50] <patifa> Are others having problems with OO in hardy?
[03:51] <ReL1K> patifa yea
[03:51] <zcat[1]> Yes. Very yes.
[03:51] <patifa> synaptic is having a field day with OO updates for me.
[03:51] <ReL1K> everyone else is
[03:51] <IdleOne> patifa: everybody yup
[03:51] <torpedo|dog> patifa: don't reboot your system after updating, if there's a kernel update
[03:51] <torpedo|dog> and you use restricted drivers
[03:51] <torpedo|dog> ^ PSA
[03:51] <zcat[1]> and I can't even find an independent 64-bit build I can use in the meantime
[03:51] <patifa> Not using restricted drivers.
[03:51] <torpedo|dog> lucky! :P
[03:51] <patifa> I have an ATI X1650
[03:52] <zcat[1]> Worst case I could still boot back into gutsy anyhow
[03:52] <zcat[1]> I have a dual-boot-shared-home install :)
[03:53] <torpedo|dog> zcat[1]: do things ever get wonky with respect to the newer vs. older application config files?
[03:53] <Melch> everyone having problems upgrading right?
[03:53] <torpedo|dog> you betcha
[03:53] <patifa> yep
[03:53] <zcat[1]> semi-shared home.. yes, they would, so I don't truly share home like that
[03:54] <torpedo|dog> also, +1 for "very yes"
[03:54] <torpedo|dog> Melch: restricted drivers getting you down?
[03:54] <patifa> So zcat did you screw up X by half-updating?
[03:55] <tkooda> have the hardy issues from yesterday been fixed?
[03:55] <zcat[1]> I have no idea how badly hardy is screwed here.. I dare not reboot now :)
[03:55] <Melch> no it will fail with any and all kernerl related updates
[03:55] <jbroome> Glad i'm on a big UPS
[03:55] <patifa> Great
[03:55] <torpedo|dog> ...else you'll be stuck in tty1 talking to everybody over irssi ;)
[03:55] <zcat[1]> Well, we were warned.. :)
[03:55] <patifa> I think I partially installed some kernel upgrades
[03:55] <patifa> Right as it screwed up.
[03:56] <torpedo|dog> *womp womp*
[03:56] <DanaG> That's odd: I closed my buddy list, and Pidgin quit.
[03:56] <DanaG> I have it set to show systray icon, but it didn't show one!
[03:56] <DanaG> I had to select "show icon" -> "never" and then "always" again to get it back.
[03:56] <patifa> Guess I'll be suspending hardy, then. :P
[03:57] <zcat[1]> just to really mess things up, I decided to replace flash-nonfree with plugin-gnash ...
[03:57] <zcat[1]> this should be interesting
[03:57] <DanaG> Oh yeah, a word to the wise: don't scsiadd -r your boot drive.  It causes Bad Things to happen (namely, root disappears).
[03:57] <torpedo|dog> go one step further and replace Java with GCJ!
[03:57] <zcat[1]> .. If I can't get my homestarrunner fix I'll be switching right back of course
[03:58]  * torpedo|dog needs him some ascii art Homestaw
[03:58] <patifa> Well I'm just concerned about X not starting again here.
[03:58] <zcat[1]> sun java is OSS now isn't it?
[03:58] <DanaG> Argh, and something keeps turning down my PCM volume all the way to zero.
[03:58] <torpedo|dog> Well, not the Sun Java package, yet.
[03:58] <zcat[1]> DanaG: around here that's usually my kids.. they just don't appreciate good music!
[03:59] <torpedo|dog> and I'm sure that even Sun opening the source to Java won't stop GNU from reimplementing their own, 'cause they seem to like to do that
[03:59] <macogw> torpedo|dog: like me?
[03:59] <torpedo|dog> ?
[03:59] <macogw> i'm screening irssi, lynx, and a term because i cant login to GDM
[03:59]  * torpedo|dog hifives macogw 
[04:00] <torpedo|dog> I would have started screen if I were smarter
[04:00] <DanaG> I can't stand modern Pop music.
[04:01] <patifa> Well I don't have restricted drivers, and I haven't yet updated the linux kernel.
[04:01] <patifa> Anyone know how lucky I'll be at a restart?
[04:02] <macogw> O_o xdm just corrupted my terminal somehow
[04:02] <macogw> its all big artifacts
[04:02] <torpedo|dog> that's no good
[04:03] <patifa> Tried resetting it?
[04:04] <akk> Is there a metapackage that installs "all the standard stuff to get a working X11"?
[04:04] <akk> I've been gradually building up fonts, servers, clients, config stuff ... getting a little farther each time
[04:05] <akk> now I have the server stuff but not the client stuff, like xterm
[04:05] <torpedo|dog> akk: you don't want a desktop environment like Gnome or KDE, just an X11?
[04:06] <akk> torpedo|dog: Just X
[04:06] <zcat[1]> seems the gnash package is broken too.. firefox keeps telling me I need a plugin
[04:06] <zcat[1]> It should at least try to use gnash, right?\
[04:06] <DanaG> All my theme previews are broken.
[04:06] <DanaG> And icon previews, too.
[04:06] <torpedo|dog> zcat[1]: speaking of plugins, do you use Java 1.6?
[04:06] <zcat[1]> just when hardy was starting to look quite nice, they had to go mess up everything!
[04:07] <zcat[1]> torpedo|dog: no idea.
[04:07] <torpedo|dog> thanks anyway
[04:07] <torpedo|dog> were you around for the last time they messed up everything?
[04:07] <macogw> zcat[1]: yeah really...
[04:07] <zcat[1]> OpenJDK Runtime Environment (build 1.6.0-b08)
[04:08] <patifa> macogw, synaptic is listing xorg as the X11 metapackage
[04:08] <zcat[1]> apparently yes, 1.6
[04:08] <torpedo|dog> hm... well, firefox has never worked for Java 1.6 for me, so if anybody has any ideas...?
[04:08] <macogw> i was at a promote-linux-to-the-government thing today and i said "the next one is looking really nice, except well, sometimes things break when beta-testing, like today, so i cant show you"
[04:08] <macogw> it was to a linux user though
[04:08] <macogw> not to a "what's linux?" person
[04:09] <AmyRose> Hi macogw
[04:09] <akk> lol, installing acpi and acpi-support pulls in finger ? (and not as a recommends, either)
[04:09] <macogw> hi AmyRose
[04:09]  * akk doesn't generally think of finger as being a critical part of acpi handling
[04:10] <macogw> woah akk's in here?
[04:10] <macogw> akk: you confused me!
[04:10] <akk> hi macogw :)
[04:10]  * AmyRose hugs macogw
[04:10] <macogw> i had to double take and check what channel this was
[04:10] <macogw> haha *hugs back*
[04:10] <akk> acpi also requires radeontool, toshset and various other stuff
[04:10] <torpedo|dog> akk: what's handling? Holding something in your hand. Can't do that without fingers! ;)
[04:10] <patifa> xserver-xorg-input-all and xserver-xorg-video-all are metas too.
[04:11] <zcat[1]> apparently I've passed my cap too, bloody modem speed downloads today
[04:12] <torpedo|dog> oh poop, I don't know how to switch windows in irssi
[04:12] <zcat[1]> 97%
[04:12] <patifa> alts I think
[04:12] <zcat[1]> finally..
[04:13] <fxjr> hi all!
[04:13] <zcat[1]> oh well, might as well reboot and see how bad it fails
[04:13] <fxjr> I'm coming from #ubuntu. they said I couldn't talk about 8.04 there :)
[04:13] <patifa> good timing, it's exploding for anyone who updates
[04:13] <fxjr> well, my problem is that I have a key binding for ctrl + alt + pgup/down
[04:13] <fxjr> and so I can't change tabs in gedit
[04:14] <fxjr> because compiz wall plugin changes workspaces when I press them
[04:14] <fxjr> do you know how I can disable this binding from wall plugin?
[04:14] <fxjr> I already tried to search for this binding in advanced search of compizconfig settings manager with no luck :(
[04:15] <macogw> fxjr: you can change the binding in gedit
[04:15] <macogw> fxjr: if you just mouse over an option in a menu in gnome and hit a keyboard combo, it remaps that option to that keyboard combo
[04:16] <fxjr> OMG!!
[04:16] <fxjr> is that true???
[04:16] <fxjr> I never would think about that!!
[04:16] <fxjr> let me give it a try....
[04:16] <macogw> it might be a setting in gnome you can disable, but i once accidentally mapped "new tab" in gnome-terminal to backspace that way
[04:16] <macogw> that was really confusing
[04:17] <DanaG> You have to explicitly enable that remapping.
[04:17] <fxjr> I think so.
[04:17] <macogw> i thought it was enabled and you had to disable it
[04:17] <fxjr> because I tried and it didn't change.
[04:17] <fxjr> where do I enable it?
[04:17] <macogw> oh umm where's the accelerator changer option?
[04:17] <fxjr> I would love to have gedit changing tabs with ctrl + pgup/down
[04:18] <DanaG> preferences->appearance
[04:18] <DanaG> tab: "interface"
[04:18] <fxjr> going there....
[04:18] <fxjr> aha!!
[04:19] <fxjr> let me try now change gedit keybindings....
[04:19] <akk> That remapping used to be the default in gtk1, but in gtk2 each program has to enable it and most don't
[04:19] <macogw> akk: i think actual gnome ones have it enabled
[04:19] <akk> those that do, like gimp, usually make it an off-by-default pref
[04:19] <macogw> like ones that live on gnome.org
[04:21] <fxjr> DanaG, macogw Thanks!!
[04:21] <fxjr> that worked!!
[04:21] <fxjr> at least sort of...
[04:21] <fxjr> because my keybinding doesn't work :(
[04:21] <fxjr> I wanted to use ctrl+pgup
[04:21] <fxjr> but it is already being used by the text field itself to go to beginning of line :(
[04:22] <DanaG> One thing that bugs me on Apple:
[04:22] <fxjr> although I use home to do that.
[04:22] <DanaG> "Home" is wrong -- it acts like "ctrl-home"
[04:22] <akk> w00t!  finally got far enough to test, and hardy fixes the display-out bug that gutsy introduced last January
[04:22] <macogw> whats ctrl+home?
[04:22] <axisys> is there a .deb for ff 3b5 /
[04:22] <axisys> ?
[04:22] <DanaG> Beginning of document.
[04:22] <macogw> akk: feisty?
[04:22] <macogw> DanaG: whats home then?
[04:23] <macogw> i thought home should take you to the top of a webpage...and end to the bottom
[04:23] <akk> macogw: feisty was fine, and gutsy was fine until the end of January when an update broke it
[04:23] <macogw> not that it works in firefox
[04:23] <hansin> Can anyone tell me the Upstart equivalent to the inittab file?  Sorry if this is a dumb question, as I can't find inittab on my Gutsy install either.  Are there even such things as runlevels in Upstart?  Thanks.
[04:23] <DanaG> Is "F7" set in Firefox?
[04:23] <macogw> akk: ooo i thought you meant jan 07 which wouldnt work for gutsy.  since when does ubuntu do updats?
[04:23] <fxjr> well... I think I will need to disable the shortcut in wall plugin itself :(
[04:24] <macogw> hansin: i think its the entire /etc/event.d/ directory... talk to jdong though
[04:24] <DanaG> DOn't forget to re-disable the remappability.
[04:24] <macogw> hansin: he has an entirely upstart based system.  cut his boot time in half.
[04:24] <akk> macogw: yeah, it's supposed to be only minor bugfixes, lots of serious bugs don't get fixed, yet somehow video-out got horked
[04:24] <fxjr> do you know where do I find where wall is mapping ctrl+alt+pgup/down to change workspaces??
[04:25] <hansin> macogw: Thanks.  Now that I think about it, that sounds familiar.  I'll go dig there and see what I can learn.
[04:25] <macogw> hansin: upstart is in ubuntu but being used to its full potential.  it's in sysv compat mode...just calls init scripts because upstream projects dont know to have upstart scripts available yet
[04:25] <macogw> hansin: i said that wrong
[04:25] <DanaG> heh:
[04:25] <DanaG> Version 0.27:
[04:25] <DanaG>   * Updating the look of the Human theme.
[04:25] <macogw> hansin: but *not* being used to its full....
[04:26] <macogw> ok new and different
[04:26] <DanaG> My opinion: append "by hitting it with the Ugly stick".
[04:26] <macogw> i made xdm default like akk suggested and after rebooting xdm *does* load gnome
[04:26] <macogw> this is good...
[04:26] <Black_Magic> whats that PDF Reader that reads the PDF File outloud?
[04:27] <DanaG> Now it looks all washed-out and "pasty-faced"
[04:27] <DanaG> WTF?  Update-manager just reselected everything I unchecked!
[04:27] <macogw> DanaG: i want the version of the murrine one with the brushed metal menubars. know where to get it?
[04:27] <DanaG> I'm speaking of the GDM theme, actually.
[04:28] <DanaG> Uncheck stuff... click Update.... get error for any of various reasons.... BOOM!  Everything's checked again!
[04:28] <macogw> there's definitely no gnome settings daemon going
[04:28] <macogw> DanaG: oh. no idea. i have a lack of working gdm /me scowls at it
[04:28] <torpedo|dog> DanaG: update-manager thinks it's smarter than you!
[04:29] <torpedo|dog> show it who's boss!
[04:29] <DanaG> I refuse to install packages without changelogs.
[04:29] <fxjr> well...
[04:29] <axisys> anyone know of a debian/ubuntu pkg for firefox 3 beta 5?
[04:29] <fxjr> I think I will have to disable the wall plugin...
[04:31] <torpedo|dog> okay, I just did an apt-get upgrade, and we now have libx86-1, l-r-m-common, login, passwd, and fglrx updated.
[04:31] <torpedo|dog> unfortunately, no regular l-r-m yet...
[04:32] <torpedo|dog> fxjr: are you in Gnome?
[04:32] <Kl4m> I've been given the bugs.html again; this is getting annoying
[04:32] <hansin> macogw: Okay, I get it.  I am seeing that the small scripts in /etc/event.d really just trigger the svsv scripts...  Thanks.
[04:32] <fxjr> torpedo|dog, yeap
[04:33] <Black_Magic> Anyone know my eyes hurt im seeing lil color plurges on the screen
[04:33] <torpedo|dog> because if so, I *think* it will respect the Gnome workspace switcher preferences if you go to Sys > Prefs > Keyboard Shortcuts...
[04:33] <fxjr> well, for now, desktop cube worked for me.
[04:33] <fxjr> although with the default 2 workspaces of ubuntu, I don't get exactly a cube ... :)
[04:33] <akk> I think the best thing about hardy is going to be that I no longer have to type gutsu^Hy every time I write about my OS.
[04:33] <torpedo|dog> hm. it might not, then. I remember it having done so
[04:34] <fxjr> torpedo|dog, hm.......
[04:34] <akk> I don't know why I'm incapable of typing "gutsy" properly, but I seem to be.
[04:34] <fxjr> let me see....
[04:34] <Pici> hadry.
[04:34] <torpedo|dog> hadron.
[04:34] <akk> hardy hadron, that would have been a good name!
[04:35] <torpedo|dog> it would have been a very small OS...
[04:35] <fxjr> torpedo|dog, no luck.
[04:35] <akk> made of even smaller parts!
[04:35] <torpedo|dog> :-(
[04:35] <fxjr> the keybinding in keyboard shortcuts is set to ctrl+alt+left
[04:36] <fxjr> I can confirm it is a problem in the wall plugin itself because when I disable it, I can use ctrl+alt + pgup
[04:36] <fxjr> torpedo|dog, are you using gnome?
[04:36] <torpedo|dog> not at the moment, no.
[04:36] <fxjr> ok. don't you have this problem?
[04:36] <akk> key bindings are really easy to set in openbox :)
[04:36]  * torpedo|dog rebooted after a partial kind-of kernel update ;)
[04:36] <fxjr> ahhh ok.
[04:37] <fxjr> is anybody here using gnome?
[04:37] <torpedo|dog> But when I was in Gnome and used compiz, the keybindings nearly always reflected gnome standards
[04:37] <torpedo|dog> *settings
[04:37] <fxjr> who could test the ctrl+alt+pgup?
[04:37] <fxjr> torpedo|dog, yeap. that's true.
[04:37] <fxjr> at least I thought so until I started gedit and tried to change a tab.. :)
[04:38]  * torpedo|dog no longer uses compiz when he is in gnome -- xgl eats too much rams and is a bit unstalbe for my taste
[04:38] <fxjr> I see....
[04:38] <fxjr> answer me a question...
[04:38] <torpedo|dog> isn't that just ctrl+pgup/dn?
[04:38] <fxjr> I liked the compiz because you can assign a lot of shortcuts to keyboard.
[04:38] <fxjr> is there a way of doing that with plain gnome?
[04:39] <fxjr> for example...
[04:39] <fxjr> I set up <super>+f to open a nautilus window for me.
+t to open a gnome-terminal
[04:39] <fxjr> how could I do that on plain gnome?
[04:39] <Kl4m> huh, system -> prefs -> keyboard shortcuts?
[04:40] <RAOF> torpedo|dog: You do know that Xgl != Compiz, right?
[04:40] <torpedo|dog> that's an excellent question I might be able to answer if I had access to Gnome at the moment. I think you might be able to do custom stuff there, but I'm not sure.
[04:40] <torpedo|dog> RAOF: yeah, I stopped using Compiz because XGL ate too much rams and I'm on a newish ATI.
[04:40] <RAOF> torpedo|dog: And you almost certainly can run compiz without Xgl.
[04:40] <torpedo|dog> newish ATI?
[04:40] <RAOF> Yes.
[04:41] <torpedo|dog> how would I accomplish that?
[04:41] <RAOF> torpedo|dog: The fglrx driver no longer sucks _quite_ so much, and provides the things needed for compiz.
[04:41] <torpedo|dog> !
[04:41] <torpedo|dog> Well, right now I'm stuck in a tty, so I'll take your word for it.
[04:41] <fxjr> Kl4m, yes, but where or how can I say that I want <super>+f to call nautilus?
[04:42] <torpedo|dog> also, RAOF, are you talking about the ATI-packaged fglrx or the Ubuntu fglrx?
[04:42] <Kl4m> Hmm yes it seems there is no "super-combination" with that dialog
[04:42] <RAOF> torpedo|dog: Ubuntu fglrx.
[04:42] <torpedo|dog> because I was under the impression that the Ubuntu one trailed by a bit
[04:43] <torpedo|dog> !!
[04:43] <torpedo|dog> I'll have to try it out sometime.
[04:43] <RAOF> torpedo|dog: I mean, you'll see a _different_ set of bugs, because fglrx still sucks, but they won't be Xgl bugs anymore :)
[04:44] <torpedo|dog> and perhaps I might be able to run celestia and compiz at the same time! joy!
[04:44] <torpedo|dog> now, if only they would get a sensible preferences window...
[04:45] <Kl4m> Hey try this. Run glchess, start a game against GNUChess, then use help. You win?
[04:45] <torpedo|dog> because the default "How many effects? None/Some/Lots" is too few, and CompizConfig's "Change every little thing!" is too much.
[04:46] <RAOF> torpedo|dog: simple-ccsm is in the repositories, and may well be what you want :)
[04:46] <torpedo|dog> ALL THIS IS A REVELATION TO ME
[04:46] <torpedo|dog> what's next? Pie is healthy for you?
[04:46] <bluecake> if i "POP3" my emails with thunderbird (windows), can i export the emails to thunderbird (linux)?
[04:46] <tgelter> so, I realize that this isn't the best place to ask this (point me to a good channel if you know of one)...does anyone know of a good source for good-quality A/V receivers that won't break the bank?
[04:47] <torpedo|dog> ooh, actually, I'm looking for a [US, ATSC] usb hdtv tuner myself, so if anybody has an answer, that would be pretty fantastic
[04:47] <bluecake>  if i "POP3" my emails with thunderbird (windows), can i export the emails to thunderbird (linux)?
[04:47] <bluecake> shit..
[04:48] <RAOF> !ohmy > bluecake :)
[04:49] <fxjr> well, guys....
[04:49] <fxjr> thank you very much for your help
[04:49] <torpedo|dog> I think you can just copy over the whole profile folder, but I think there might be some caveats to that.
[04:49] <fxjr> I will try to find anything about the wall plugin.
[04:49] <fxjr> but for now, I'm happy that I can use desktop cube instead
[04:49] <DanaG> I'd need a QAM tuner, myself.
[04:49] <fxjr> and that I learned one thing about gnome I would never imagine: I can change menu shortcuts on the fly!!
[04:49] <fxjr> that' s amazing!!
[04:50]  * DanaG will be switching to ATI in the summer.
[04:50] <DanaG> I'm sick of my nvidia issues.
[04:50] <torpedo|dog> QAM would also be nice for me, but some cursory googling suggests that ain't gonna happen on USB, which is unfortunate 'cause I'm on a laptop
[04:50] <DanaG> HDHomeRun.
[04:50] <DanaG> Ethernet; just not encrypted QAM, of course.
[04:50] <torpedo|dog> ethernet?
[04:52] <DanaG> Yup; a networked tuner, that merely dumps the stream over the network to any attached devices.
[04:52] <DanaG> It's QAM and ATSC only.
[04:52] <torpedo|dog> no analog TV at all?
[04:52] <DanaG> Not on that thing.
[04:52] <DanaG> But remember: Analog will die in 2009 in the US.
[04:52] <Kl4m> Can anybody confirm this simple bug? Run glchess, start a game against GNUChess, then go to help->contents. You win.
[04:52] <torpedo|dog> hm, certainly something to look at if I'm going broadcast
[04:53] <fxjr> well, bye all
[04:53] <torpedo|dog> right now, I'm in Skaneateles, NY, a bit too far from Syracuse to be picking up their OTA channels clearly
[04:53] <AnswerGuy> Anyone else here ever work on 64-bit systems with an "nfsnobody" of -1 and see a /var/log/lastlog with a (sparse/virtual) size of 1.2TB?
[04:53] <fxjr> and have a good night.
[04:53] <Kl4m> good night to you
[04:53] <fxjr> going bed. here is 12:53 AM
[04:53] <AnswerGuy> Ever try to grep it?
[04:53] <fxjr> thanks Kl4m !
[04:53] <fxjr> night.
[04:53] <torpedo|dog> what could go wrong, AnswerGuy?
[04:54] <AnswerGuy> To normal utilities like grep, this will look like a 1.2TB stream of NUL characters
[04:54] <AnswerGuy> One long line.
[04:54] <AnswerGuy> Think about how GNU grep will try to deal with that ...
[04:55] <torpedo|dog> assert(line_length < 1000000000 /* who would have lines this long? */)
[04:56] <HorizonXP> hey?
[04:56] <torpedo|dog> or did it malloc itself into a deep hole?
[04:56] <HorizonXP> ok phew
[04:56] <HorizonXP> nvm
[04:56] <AnswerGuy> (For fun, try it yourself on a 64-bit system; create an account with a UID of -1; log in, log out; log back in as root; grep zzz /var/log/lastlog.
[04:56] <Kl4m> I think grep should handle it, slowly. Or maybe I have too much faith in GNU utilities
[04:56] <AnswerGuy> Well on my RHEL4u4 system it malloc() it's way through RAM and swap before eventually reporting "memory exhausted"
[04:57] <AnswerGuy> It didn't invoke the kernel OOM killer; so nothing really bad happened.  But the system was unresponsive for about 10 minutes.
[04:57] <akk> I wish I could remember what I did in gutsy to make the cardbus network card work, since it needs doing again in hardy
[04:57] <AnswerGuy> (3GiB RAM, 6GB swap)
[04:57] <torpedo|dog> so it looks like at least they checked if(NULL == ptr) somewhere.
[04:58] <torpedo|dog> which, in that case, seems like the most reasonable thing to do, because people can use grep for crazy/memory-intensive/crazy memory-intensive purposes
[04:58] <AnswerGuy> Well, if (moremem = malloc(...) < 0) at any rate
[04:59] <AnswerGuy> Oh, actually I see what you mean NULL == ptr
[04:59] <torpedo|dog> (assuming ptr were a pointer allocated at some point before)
[05:00] <Killeroid> hi, anyone know how to make ubuntu use only b43legacy as the wireless driver instead of always loading b43
[05:00] <AnswerGuy> Anyway, I'll try it on my Ubuntu/Hardy system at home tonight to see if there's something there that's handling it more gracefully
[05:00] <torpedo|dog> again, what could possibly go wrong?
[05:00] <torpedo|dog> I guess set it off as you go to bed and see what happens in the morning!
[05:00] <AnswerGuy> Yeah, I was forgetting that malloc() never returns -ENOMEM
[05:00] <AnswerGuy> That would be brk()s job
[05:01] <torpedo|dog> I've only ever done a little C for a class at RIT -- we only got into basic memory management
[05:01] <AnswerGuy> Yeah, my 64-bit Hardy box at home is 8GiB of RAM
[05:01] <torpedo|dog> nothing to do with erromhygod that's a lot of ram
[05:01] <torpedo|dog> *errno
[05:02] <AnswerGuy> It was my xmas gift to myself.
[05:02] <AnswerGuy> brk() is the system call over which malloc() and similar library functions are built.
[05:02] <AnswerGuy> brk() returns -ENOMEM if the kernel decides there's not enough memory to give you.
[05:03] <AnswerGuy> (But because of CoW and overcommit semantics there's not guarantee that a successful brk() can be fully satisfied by real memory or even swap in the default case)
[05:06] <AnswerGuy> dinner time: bye all
[05:06] <torpedo|dog> mmm, enjoy
[05:06] <torpedo|dog> dinner is definitely one of /my/ top three meals of the day
[05:08] <DanaG> Heh, one of the players has died.
[05:08] <DanaG> How do you "die" in Chess?
[05:08] <DanaG> I know there's Checkmate, but that's not "Dying" per se.
[05:09] <torpedo|dog> well, the rook can be pretty pointy
[05:09] <torpedo|dog> and if you fell on it, it might not end well
[05:17] <DanaG> HEh, even stranger: rewind a computer-versus-computer game, one gets checkmate.
[05:20] <DanaG> You are unable to play in 3D mode due to the following problems:         No Python OpenGL support         No Python GTKGLExt support                     Please contact your system administrator to resolve these problems, until then you will be able to play chess in 2D mode.
[05:20] <DanaG> Okay, how about telling me PACKAGE NAMES?
[05:20] <akk> DanaG: That would be telling.
[05:21] <DanaG> Should I file a bug report on the "Can't right-click padevchooser" issue?
[05:23] <Kl4m> DanaG: so you confirm it. My explanation was enough to reproduce the bug righ
[05:24] <DanaG> Link me to it, and I can confirm.
[05:24] <Kl4m> https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/glchess/+bug/210642
[05:24] <ubotu> Launchpad bug 210642 in glchess "GNUChess loses on consulting help" [Undecided,Incomplete]
[05:24] <DanaG> Oh, I thought you meant the padevchooser one.
[05:25] <Kl4m> It's been "bugs.html"-ed.
[05:28] <T1m0thy> Anyone else unable to apply the upgrades yet?
[05:29] <igorgue> T1m0thy: have problems with update?
[05:29] <T1m0thy> Yeah.
[05:29] <igorgue> I'm about to do it...
[05:29] <igorgue> I probably won't :P
[05:29] <igorgue> T1m0thy: what's up with it?
[05:29] <T1m0thy> oh
[05:29] <T1m0thy> wait
[05:29] <T1m0thy> here
[05:29] <T1m0thy> Okay, so uh.. I'm getting updates for Hardy.. and it says it can't do a complete upgrade, but a partial upgrade will install ones that can be installed. So, I click partial upgrade.. It says it's running, then fails.
[05:29] <T1m0thy> I had that typed but I didn't send it because it said just to wait and try again.
[05:30] <igorgue> ahh T1m0thy I got that too... reload your packages
[05:30] <Kl4m> Try apt-get dist-upgrade
[05:30] <Kl4m> after apt-get update.
[05:30] <T1m0thy> alright
[05:31] <nomasteryoda> then repeat that ... apt-get update and apt-get upgrade
[05:31] <T1m0thy> what's so big about this?
[05:31] <nomasteryoda> and then dist-upgrade ... to be sure
[05:32] <Kl4m> It still says linux-restricted-modules-generic is held
[05:32] <nomasteryoda> might have some issues ... and will be released when ready
[05:32] <Kl4m> but everything seems to work fine
[05:32] <nomasteryoda> then safe to ignore for now
[05:32] <Gilou> man hal 0.5.11.xx is so fucked up.
[05:32] <sotap> I had this problem earlier as well.  I used synaptic to install all updates besides the linux* packages.  After I did that I was able to update the remaining packages without a dist-upgrade.
[05:33] <zcat[1]> Fetched 7413kB in 17min18s (7140B/s)
[05:33] <akk> I don't suppose there's anybody here who knows how udev is supposed to handle pcmcia/cardbus cards ...?
[05:33] <zcat[1]> damn third-world internet
[05:34] <torpedo|dog> zcat[1]: .au?
[05:34] <zcat[1]> .nz
[05:35] <torpedo|dog> hm, I've heard all sorts of bad things about the Australian ISP (yes, there's competition, but not meaningful), but nothing that vitriolic about New Zealand's. Similar situation?
[05:35] <zcat[1]> I have a cap.. 1G per day, 20G per month.. if I go over, I get dialup speeds for the rest of the month
[05:36] <torpedo|dog> wow, that's really crappy...I probably go through more than that in a typical day thanks to internet radio
[05:36] <torpedo|dog> that = 1GB
[05:36] <DanaG> https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/glchess/+bug/210642
[05:36] <ubotu> Launchpad bug 210642 in glchess "GNUChess loses on consulting help" [Undecided,Incomplete]
[05:36] <Slynderdale> When I try to ugrade to Ubuntu 8.04 I get this error "could not calculate upgrade"
[05:37] <DanaG> akk: what card?
[05:37] <torpedo|dog> Slynderdale: there are some dependency issues right now, wait until tomorrow and try again
[05:37] <akk> DanaG: 3Com 3c59x, wired ethernet
[05:37] <akk> DanaG: It works fine but only if I manually type ifdown eth0; ifup eth0
[05:38] <DanaG> Odd.
[05:38] <akk> DanaG: Inserting the card, or running pccardctl insert, doesn't call ifup or init.d/network start or anything
[05:38] <DanaG> Hmm, perhaps there's something in /etc/network/interfaces that's preventing it from using NetworkManager.
[05:38] <akk> No NetworkManager involved here -- I don't run gnome
[05:38] <DanaG> Or KDE?
[05:38] <akk> no
[05:39] <akk> this is a 5-year-old laptop, it's not fast enough to run those big eye-candy desktops
[05:39] <DanaG> Aah.  Well, perhaps it needs to have "auto eth0" in the interfaces file.
[05:40] <DanaG> or allow-hotplug
[05:40] <DanaG> eth1
[05:40] <DanaG> eth0. whatever.
[05:40] <torpedo|dog> something to the effect of:
[05:40] <akk> I have auto-eth0 and allow-hotplug eth0
[05:40] <torpedo|dog> auto eth0
[05:40] <torpedo|dog> eth0 inet dhcp
[05:40] <akk> yes, sorry, auto eth0, not auto-eth0
[05:40] <torpedo|dog> let me look at my /etc/network/interfaces and check
[05:41] <torpedo|dog> > auto eth0
[05:41] <torpedo|dog> > iface eth0 inet dhcp
[05:41] <torpedo|dog> is what mine says, minus the > which I just used to indicate quoting
[05:42] <DanaG> https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/udev/+bug/53829
[05:42] <ubotu> Launchpad bug 53829 in udev "ifup invoked as --allow auto instead of --allow hotplug" [Undecided,Invalid]
[05:42] <akk> Mine is iface eth0 inet static, followed by address, netmask and gateway lines (it's not dhcp)
[05:42] <torpedo|dog> arr
[05:43] <DanaG> Add the "auto" line.
[05:43] <torpedo|dog> with NM, is it possible to have one network in a limited netmask like 192.168.0.0/16 and the other interface autoconfigured?
[05:43] <heydabop> I have an nVidia Go 6100 video card and on hardware drivers, it says the driver nvidia_new is enabled, but not in use. How do I put it to use?
[05:43] <akk> DanaG: sorry, which auto line? I already have auto eth0
[05:43] <DanaG> aah.
[05:44] <akk> I also have allow-hotplug eth0
[05:44] <akk> used to need both of them, but now I guess it needs something else too
[05:45] <akk> I knew how to debug these things under hotplug, but I don't have a clue how it's supposed to work now with pccardctl and udev, or how to debug it
[05:46] <DanaG> hmm, try udevmonitor
[05:46] <DanaG> or rather, sudo udevmonitor
[05:48] <akk> thanks, I didn't know about udevmonitor
[05:49] <akk> I get 2 add lines -- the second one is for /class/net/eth0 (net)
[05:49] <akk> and then the same 2 lines repeated a second time
[05:49] <DanaG> Heh:
[05:49] <DanaG> "How do you even "die" in Chess?  I don't normally use the term "death" to describe checkmate."
[05:50] <akk> depends on how bad the checkmate is, maybe :)
[05:51] <akk> I'm not sure what that udevmonitor is telling me
[05:52] <akk> Is udev supposed to call ifup? And would udevmonitor tell me if it did?
[05:53] <berbs> latest updates broke network manager (can't retrieve IP), is anyone seeing the same issue?
[05:54] <akk> heh, berbs, I'm seeing that without even having network manager
[05:54] <T1m0thy> :S
[05:54] <T1m0thy> I can just exit a terminal downloading the updates right?
[05:54] <DanaG> I think it would say so, yes, upon card insertion.
[05:55] <torpedo|dog> downloading, I think so. Installing, not so much.
[05:55] <Kl4m> Ctrl+C before would be safer
[05:55] <Kl4m> what he said
[05:55] <torpedo|dog> ^ good plan
[05:55] <berbs> akk: it used to happen for me for a while, then an update to network-manager fixed it and now it's broken again... argh
[05:55] <berbs> I have to explicitely set the wireless info.
[05:56] <T1m0thy> I sometimes get d/c from the internet randomly.. but it hasn't happened for a while.
[05:56] <akk> It looks like /etc/udev/rules.d/85-ifupdown.rules is where the rule is defined that's supposed to call ifup, on an add
[05:56] <T1m0thy> I know others had it too.
[05:56] <akk> but I don't know how to tell if udev is ever getting there
[05:56] <Kl4m> same here, the ipw card goes down suddenly
[05:58] <akk> ah, the difference between the two seemingly dup pairs of lines in udevmonitor is that the first pair are UEVENT, the second are UDEV
[05:59] <akk> but man udevmonitor doesn't talk about what either of those mean
[06:03] <T1m0thy> It says a package manager is working even after I closed the terminal downloading the upgrades. :\
[06:05] <DanaG> !info ifplugd
[06:05] <ubotu> Package ifplugd does not exist in hardy
[06:06] <DanaG> Oh yes it does.
[06:08] <cyphase> eww.. the volume control looks like GTK 1 in hardy
[06:09] <T1m0thy> Oh crap.
[06:09] <T1m0thy> I think it installed the updates.
[06:09] <T1m0thy> Wish me luck.
[06:09] <akk> hmm, pccardctl insert doesn't cause anything to be printed in udevmonitor
[06:10] <akk> but the suspend/resume scripts in /etc/acpi call pccardctl insert -- maybe that explains why they don't work either
[06:12] <DanaG> akk: try installing ifplugd.
[06:12] <T1m0thy> Well.. the internet still works so far..
[06:12] <DanaG> Oh, and inserting the card should load the driver automatically; no need for pccardctl insert.
[06:14] <T1m0thy> Is "current dist not found in meta-release file" bad?
[06:14] <akk> DanaG: ifplugd if I just run it with no args (says it defaults to eth0) doesn't change anything, ifup still isn't run
[06:14] <akk> DanaG: Is there something specific I should try besides just running it?
[06:15] <DanaG> sudo dpkg-reconfigure ifplugd
[06:15] <DanaG> to get the hotplug question.
[06:15] <akk> DanaG: pccardctl insert is called from resume.sh, so that the network will be restarted after a suspend (except that it doesn't work since ifup isn't actually called)
[06:16] <heydabop> In Hardware Drivers, the restricted driver "nvidia_new" is enabled, but not in use. How do I put it to use?
[06:18] <akk> DanaG: I left the first question blank and said all to the second, and that doesn't help
[06:18] <DanaG> Odd.
[06:19] <akk> DanaG: now I'll try again answering auto to the first question (the one that says "don't use this one for pcmcia", in case they mean "but do use it for cardbus")
[06:19] <DanaG> http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=334876
[06:19] <ubotu> Debian bug 334876 in ifplugd "ifplugd scripts relies on hotplug deprecated by udev" [Grave,Fixed]
[06:20] <DanaG> hmm.
[06:20] <akk> relying on hotplug would be bad, since hotplug hasn't existed in several releases
[06:20] <akk> nope, answering "eth0" to the first question doesn't make it work either
[06:20] <DanaG> Yeah, that's an old bug.
[06:20] <akk> btw, should ps aux | grep plug show it running? The init script says it's starting it but it doesn't show up in ps
[06:21] <akk> or maybe it's not running because of that bug, and it's just fundamentally broken
[06:21] <DanaG> hm, if you dpkg --listfiles ifplugd
[06:22] <DanaG> do you get stuff about udev?
[06:22] <DanaG> Try listing interfaces in the "hotplug" question manually.
[06:22] <akk> there's a /lib/udev/ifplugd.agent
[06:23] <DanaG> Maybe you need to restart the udev service?\
[06:23] <akk> oh, and a rules.d/ifplugd.rules
[06:24] <akk>  /etc/init.d/udev restart doesn't help
[06:24] <DanaG> Does udevmonitor do anything different if you manually unload the module and then remove the card... and then reinsert it?
[06:25] <akk> I can't unload the module -- non-modular kernel
[06:25] <DanaG> That's weird.
[06:26] <LibertyShadow> Is anyone getting an error updating besides me
[06:27] <akk> 2.6.22 (gutsy) and 2.6.24 (hardy) both have serious bugs that make them unusable for me, so I have to build my own kernel (2.6.23.17)
[06:28] <LibertyShadow> http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/61984/
[06:28] <LibertyShadow> I guess I'll just let the issue solve itself
[06:30] <T1m0thy> LibertyShadow, it worked for me through terminal, but
[06:30] <T1m0thy> I got the same thing through update-manager.
[06:31] <DanaG> I WANT OLD GDM BACK!
[06:31] <DanaG> The new washed-out theme makes me think it needs sunscreen.
[06:31] <T1m0thy> lol
[06:32] <T1m0thy> I don't really care.. but it was a lot different with the light part..
[06:32] <T1m0thy> I did like the old better.
[06:32] <T1m0thy> But I'm not going to change it.
[06:32] <DanaG> I hate the new one.
[06:33] <DanaG> It strikes me as OMGUGLY every time I see it.
[06:33] <LibertyShadow> T1m0thy, running in the terminal, no errors so far
[06:33] <T1m0thy> Cool.
[06:33] <LibertyShadow> Thanks
[06:33] <LibertyShadow> :D
[06:33] <T1m0thy> It is uglier, DanaG.
[06:33] <T1m0thy> No problem. :)
[06:33] <DanaG> OmGuGlY oMgUgLy.
[06:33] <DanaG> OGGYMUL?
[06:34] <DanaG> muloggy
[06:34] <DanaG> .
[06:34] <LibertyShadow> Wonder what the dist upgrade is all about
[06:34] <T1m0thy> Hyper? lol
[06:34] <LibertyShadow> is it a release candidate?
[06:34] <T1m0thy> Same, Liberty..
[06:34] <T1m0thy> No clue.
[06:34] <DanaG> I never install updates unless changelogs are available.
[06:34] <DanaG> A few exceptions: firefox updates, since I run the ppa repo.
[06:35] <LibertyShadow> beta 5 is out :D
[06:35] <DanaG> And hplip because it never ever ever ever ever shows changelogs in update-manager.
[06:35] <LibertyShadow> (firefox 3)
[06:35] <DanaG> ever.
[06:35] <DanaG> EVER!
[06:35] <HorizonXP> LibertyShadow: is the beta 5 package out?
[06:36] <DanaG> Yes, I've had some sugar.
[06:36] <T1m0thy> I don't think.
[06:36] <T1m0thy> You could do it yourself, but I would wait.
[06:36] <LibertyShadow> HorizonXP, not yet, I don't think
[06:37] <Ava-_> hey guys I run mythtv and have had a working setup for a long time.. ever since I updraded to hardy.. I see the modules still loading ok for my dvb card and I see the fw load for it in dmesg, but I get this..
[06:37] <Ava-_> [51824.822220] ivtv1: All encoder MPG stream buffers are full. Dropping data.
[06:37] <Ava-_> [51824.822228] ivtv1: Cause: the application is not reading fast enough.
[06:37] <Ava-_> any ideas?
[06:38] <DanaG> What should I do to suggest returning to the previous theme revision?
[06:40] <T1m0thy> You could probably apply it yourself.. lol
[06:40] <T1m0thy> Couldn't you?
[06:41] <DanaG> Yeah, but it won't make it less ugly for others.
[06:41] <Killeroid> ahh, after four hours of updating and looking for a fix for my wireless not working, i just remembered that i still have the old kernel and so  booted up using the old kernel and i am enjoying my wifi. i really hope someone fixes the network manager(broadcom wireless bug) before hardy is relased
[06:41] <DanaG> And I think the uglyness will make a bad first impression.
[06:41] <T1m0thy> lol,
[06:41] <T1m0thy> True.
[06:44] <Ray_> Hi!
[06:46] <Ray_> I need a help regarding Upgrade of Hardy. I am running the Hardy Beta. The problem is when trying to install about 61 updates today, I am getting a message "Not all updates can be installed". The partial update option is also not working.
[06:46] <akk> any audio people? /usr/bin/play (from sox) can't play a .wav because: unknown file type `auto'
[06:47] <Ray_> It is saying could not calculate update.
[06:47] <Ayabara> how can I do a complete reinstall of firefox? I have messed things up so that I have to type "firefox.ubuntu" to start it, and when I download files it never let's me "open with application"
[06:47] <jbroome> akk: ran into that earlier today with an ogg
[06:47] <Ray_> Sorry, not update, it is upgrade. "Could not calculate the upgrade".
[06:48] <WGGMk> im having an issue with gfx-grub, and was wondering if anyone could shed some light on it. I have installed it (correctly I believe) but I get this one boot: "graphics file (message.xxxx) missing" to that effect
[06:49] <akk> jbroome: did you find a solution? or is it at least a known bug?
[06:49] <Zoiks> hey, has there been reports of ubuntu requiring a partial update which then fails
[06:50] <jbroome> akk: i just used audacity to play the ogg.  didn't poke into it further
[06:50] <akk> Is there any point in filing bugs on this stuff? It sounds like hardy is known to be still pretty broken and maybe filing bugs would be premature?
[06:50] <T1m0thy> Ray_: Use the command line.
[06:52] <Ray_> T1m0thy : Can you please help with the commands?
[06:52] <T1m0thy> Yeah..
[06:52] <T1m0thy> sudo apt-get update
[06:52] <T1m0thy> sudo apt-get dist-upgrade
[06:53] <T1m0thy> :)
[06:55] <Ray_> T1m0thy : Great, Thanks a million. I am now running the first one.
[06:56] <T1m0thy> No prob.
[06:58] <Killeroid> hmm..
[06:58] <Killeroid> is it only me or is hardy really buggy for an OS being released in less than a month? I dont recall any of the earlier releases being this buggy so close to release date
[07:01] <Ray_> Killeroid, I have no earlier experience of running Beta versions. But I chose to run 8.04 on my work PC only because I had enough confidence on Ubuntu.
[07:02] <Ray_> As of now personally I feel there are some issues but with so much of help from the community I have been able to go ahead and continue using Hardy.
[07:04] <Aval0n_> hey guys on hardy by default when you drag windows around, is there supposed to be an effect?
[07:05] <Aval0n_> cause my window stays solid, but appears to chop around
[07:05] <zcat[1]> Aval0n_: by default, no.. wobbly comes on if you choose advanced effects
[07:05] <Aval0n_> I'm used to the wobble/jello type effect feisty had with compiz
[07:05] <Aval0n_> where would I tick advance effects?
[07:06] <Aval0n_> beryl settings manager?
[07:06] <jbroome> system>prefrences>appearnce
[07:06] <Ray_> T1m0thy : I got this message for sudo apt-get update. "W: Failed to fetch http://in.archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/dists/hardy/main/source/Sources.bz2  Hash Sum mismatch"
[07:06] <zcat[1]> right-click on the desktop and select 'change wallpaper', then pick the visual effects tab
[07:06] <jbroome> ok, that's faster
[07:06] <T1m0thy> I don't know, Ray_. :\
[07:06] <Aval0n_> ty
[07:06] <T1m0thy> Sorry.
[07:06] <Aval0n_> "extra"
[07:06] <Aval0n_> is that what I want?
[07:06] <zcat[1]> yes
[07:07] <Ray_> No problem. I have tried the command again.
[07:07] <Ray_> This time it worked!
[07:07] <zcat[1]> well, what you really want is compizconfig-manager (or something like that)
[07:07] <Aval0n_> crap
[07:07] <Aval0n_> this user isn't a root user
[07:08] <Aval0n_> erm
[07:08] <Aval0n_> so would I enter my root pass instead of my normal user sudo password?
[07:09] <zcat[1]> I don't think sudo will accept it
[07:10] <Aval0n_> =/
[07:10] <Aval0n_> so hwo do regular non-root users set that setting?
[07:10] <Aval0n_> they don;t?
[07:10] <Aval0n_> :)
[07:10] <Ray_> T1m0thy : It's working now. I mean the dist-upgrade. Thank you so much.
[07:10] <T1m0thy> Awesome. No Problem.
[07:11] <zcat[1]> ordinary users should be able to change visual effects..
[07:11] <Aval0n_> odd
[07:11] <Aval0n_> I wonder why it;'s prompting for pass then
[07:11] <Aval0n_> brb
[07:12] <zcat[1]> Oh crap... I just switched to 'extra' and I think I've lost all the custom settings I had before :(
[07:12] <zcat[1]> but... it didn't ask for a sudo password
[07:12] <Aval0n_> lol
[07:12] <Aval0n_> it's working now
[07:12] <Aval0n_> but there is a huge bug
[07:13] <Aval0n_> if I start a window
[07:13] <Aval0n_> and maximize it
[07:13] <Aval0n_> I drag it down
[07:13] <Aval0n_> and then back up
[07:13] <Aval0n_> it bouces up and down at the upper right corner
[07:13] <Aval0n_> non-stop
[07:13] <Aval0n_> until I force-close it
[07:15] <Aval0n_> the snap-to feature is doing it I belive
[07:19] <ViperfangDotNet> How do I enable the new MTP support in hardy?
[07:20] <Killeroid> ViperfangDotNet: install libmtp7
[07:20] <ViperfangDotNet> I have done, but it is still not automounted as I expected it would be
[07:21] <Killeroid> what is not automounted?
[07:21] <ViperfangDotNet> Creative Zen Vision:M
[07:21] <ViperfangDotNet> 30Gb
[07:22] <ViperfangDotNet> I know it is supported
[07:22] <Killeroid> ViperfangDotNet: add relevant details to fstab
[07:22] <ViperfangDotNet> What would I add for an MTP device?
[07:25] <Killeroid> http://gnomad2.sourceforge.net/ seems to have support for it
[07:26] <ViperfangDotNet> Libmtp handles it better, I can see the video folder etc, but I cant get it to work on my system
[07:28] <ViperfangDotNet> Hmm... work on it tonight
[07:28] <ViperfangDotNet> bye!
[07:29] <DragonLarma> hello
[08:09] <jaffarkelshac> hello
[08:10] <cpk1> should it be relatively easy to install kde4 from a server install (ie. just do aptitude install kde4)?
[08:11] <jaffarkelshac> does anyone here use the seahorse pgp software
[08:11] <mvo> cpk1: I think its kubuntu-kde4-desktop
[08:11] <bluecake> where is the config file for tac_plus, pstree says it's running
[08:19] <jaffarkelshac> hey ppl, i am trying to listen to an online fm station, it works with windows media player and now i am stuck
[08:25] <h3sp4wn> jaffarkelshac: Use mplayer
[08:27] <jaffarkelshac> installing right now, i hope it works
[08:28] <jaffarkelshac> how do i change the the plugin that the web uses
[08:35] <checkers> are the new updates out now for ubuntu+1 working with restricted modules?
[08:36] <checkers> specifically with ati
[08:39] <jaffarkelshac> h3sp4wn, finally working, had to download some codecs
[08:43] <macogw> found out what was wrong with my gdm
[08:43] <macogw> bug #210538
[08:43] <ubotu> Launchpad bug 210538 in ubuntu-gdm-themes "gdm hangs after theme upgrade and reboot" [High,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/210538
[08:44] <macogw> a config file was renamed and so it kept looking for the old one and went into an infinite loop "didnt find the file. check again. did it appear? no, check again.  is it there? no, check again. is it there? no, check again..."
[08:45] <pen> why amarok can't play music after I open firefox with flash site on?
[08:45] <jaffarkelshac> whats with ubuntu that does not let me play 2 sound files at the same time
[08:50] <checkers> answer: yes it does
[08:50] <checkers> restricted modules loads now
[08:50] <macogw> pen: you dont have libflashsupport installed
[08:51] <pen> macogw: I had that installed
[08:51] <ty> Hi getting error when trying to update, Not all updates can be installed - Run a partial upgrade to install as many as poaaible
[08:51] <macogw> jaffarkelshac: some sound drivers are kinda bleh and dont know how to mix sounds, so they just pick one or the other
[08:52] <macogw> pen: oh someone said earlier today that amarok uses xine...maybe if you switch it to gstreamer? it might not like pulseaudio
[08:52] <macogw> ty: thats fine. dont force it.
[08:52] <pen> macogw: how to make it use GStreamer?
[08:53] <macogw> ty: if you force it to install those kernels that dont have their dependencies satisfied, you'll get bigger errors
[08:53] <pen> macogw: I like amarok in music management and the artwork
[08:53] <macogw> pen: *shrug* i avoid most KDE everything
[08:53] <pen> macogw: hm
[08:53] <ty> macogw: i then get this error after click the partial upgrade, A unresolvable problem occurred while calculating the upgrade
[08:53] <macogw> somebody said pulse and xine werent playing so nice
[08:53] <pen> macogw: but I'm just not used to exaile
[08:54] <pen> macogw: do you have any alternatives than amarok in your mind?
[08:54] <macogw> isnt exaile just like amarok? except gtk?
[08:54] <pen> macogw: no, they are totally different
[08:54] <macogw> exaile has themes for rearranging everything so you can grab a theme that arranges like amarok
[08:54] <macogw> i just use rhythmbox
[08:54] <pen> macogw: I even think that exaile looks like benshee in some aspect
[08:54] <pen> macogw: oh
[08:55] <pen> macogw: maybe I will try exiles with themes :\
[08:55] <macogw> i used to use banshee, but its crap at watching directories for new files
[08:55] <macogw> songbird doesnt do artwork
[08:55] <macogw> rhythmbox gets 'em both right, so i stick with it
[08:55] <pen> macogw: hm
[08:55] <pen> macogw: are there themese for rhythmbox?
[09:00] <ty> how do you fix package dependecies?
[09:00] <ty> is there a way to rebuild the apt database as such?
[09:02] <Lynoure> ty: what kind of dependecies? tried apt-get -f install   yet?
[09:03] <pen> macogw: btw, how to fetch cover from internet with rhythmbox? I installed the plugin
[09:04] <ty> Lynoure: not really sure im no pro with linux. it was all working great and i was installing stuff the other and started getting errors and now i cant update, i do remember somethingabout broken packages or dependecies though
[09:05] <Lynoure> ty: try   sudo apt-get -f install   (no package name needed)
[09:06] <jimiridge> update-manager suddenly wants to do a partial upgrade
[09:06] <toorima> anyone got checkgmail to work without manually installing Gtk2::Sexy from cpan?
[09:06] <ty> jimiridge: i have the same problem
[09:07] <jimiridge> guess i'll hold off any updates for a few days
[09:07] <ty> jimiridge: dooes the partial upgrade work?
[09:08] <jimiridge> nope
[09:08] <ty> Must be some sort of bug then
[09:11] <ty> Just found this - http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=743487
[09:11] <pen> macogw: the fetching plugin is not workign for me
[09:11] <KalEl> update manager prompts me to perform a "Partial" distribution upgrade, but in the update screen it halts saying "Could not calculate the upgrade"
[09:11] <KalEl> i already have hardy repository uptodate
[09:14] <pen> me too
[09:14] <ty> KalEl: Just sit tight http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=743487&page=2
[09:15] <calc> yipee people posting link to my comment :)
[09:16] <calc> looks like it should be done in about 4 hours
[09:16] <calc> previous version: Finished:   2008-03-05  (took 11 hours)
[09:17] <ty> calc: I was posting to Oldsoldier2003 :-)
[09:17] <calc> ty: yea :)
[09:17] <damo22> when does hardy come out?
[09:17] <calc> damo22: apr 24
[09:18] <damo22> calc: cool thx
[09:18] <bluefoxx> partial upgrade??!!...
[09:18] <damo22> calc: do you know is there going to be a xubuntu hardy release?
[09:18] <bluefoxx> and then it fails?...
[09:19] <ty> bluefoxx: http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=743487
[09:19] <bluefoxx> :(   im confused
[09:19] <KalEl> yeah... https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/update-manager/+bug/146536
[09:19] <ubotu> Launchpad bug 146536 in update-manager "Could not calculate the upgrade" [Undecided,Confirmed]
[09:19] <KalEl> that asks to use aptitude to do it
[09:19] <calc> damo22: probably, i don't use xubuntu so no idea
[09:19] <KalEl> i'm trying that
[09:19] <pen> lol
[09:19]  * calc gone to bed
[09:20] <bluefoxx> so i see the window borders are fixed on multiple x screens :) but teleport doesnt seem to work :( also the system tray on the second x screen is useless. i think it would be better as a clone as the system tray from x 0:0
[09:21] <mvo> KalEl: if a partial upgrade fails to calculate that usually means that the upgrade would remove ubuntu-desktop or some other important package. on hardy its nothing to worry about just yet, its most likely transient
[09:21] <ty> How do i see if my bluetooth hardware is being detected?
[09:21] <KalEl> both aptitude and apt says "The following packages have been kept back:" and a list of packages, but no apparent reason
[09:21] <enyc> date | cut -b 9-10 | (echo -n 24 -;echo) | echo `bc` days to go
[09:21] <mvo> if its not going away in a few hours, then I would like to hear more about it :) /var/log/dist-upgrade/apt.log contains some debug information
[09:21] <KalEl> ok thanks
[09:22] <tigerstein> hmm, it seems that todays OOo upgrade is broken
[09:22] <mvo> broken in what sense? package breakage (postinst/file-overwrite errors)?
[09:23] <KalEl> just so, this is the message i'm getting from aptitude http://pastebin.com/d1b95d575
[09:23] <tigerstein> it wants to delete the lang-support-{en,hu}, lang-support-translations-{en,hu}, the  mozilla-firefox-locale-{en,hu}, meg ooo language packages :/
[09:24] <gluer> can anyone tell me how i completely replace FF3 B4 with FF3 B5?
[09:24] <bluefoxx> ty: so basically, as a summarization dont allow the update?i take it they are still uploading them or something then
[09:24] <KalEl> for some reason, these packages appear with a star emblem in Synaptic
[09:24] <mvo> that is most likely the cause of the message that the partial upgrade can not be calculated, it will not continue if translations get removed
[09:24] <KalEl> do you know what that may mean?
[09:24] <ty> bluefoxx: yeah i wouldwait untill tomorrow
[09:24] <ty> would wait*
[09:24] <mvo> the little ubuntu symbol that looks a bit like a star means that the package comes from main
[09:25] <bluefoxx> andways, i was just playing with blender, im off to bed[how can it be 1:30 in the morning allready? i just got home from school what feels like 5 minutes ago...]
[09:25] <elmargol> do I really have to compile ffmpeg in order to get h264 support?
[09:25] <elmargol> or is there a repository for the free world? (not us)
[09:25]  * bluefoxx changes nick to an away nick and turns off his monitors, then lays back and closes his eyes. waht a geek
[09:26] <KalEl> ok "update-manager -d" could not do it and halted with the cannot calculate upgrade error message, but "sudo apt-get dist-upgrade" seems to have no problem at all :)
[09:27] <tigerstein> so, its better to wait for the next "patch tuesday"? :)
[09:27] <KalEl> i found it in this blog entry: http://www.debian-administration.org/articles/69
[09:27] <mvo> KalEl: yeah, apt-get has much less polcy than update-manager, it will happily remove ubuntu-desktop or translation packages
[09:28] <mvo> policy even
[09:28] <KalEl> you're right, it's going to remove language translation packages
[09:29] <mvo> its fine if you don't need translations
[09:30] <KalEl> ok thank you
[09:30] <mvo> np
[09:30] <toorima> anyone got checkgmail to work without manually installing Gtk2::Sexy from cpan?
[09:44] <savvas> toorima: you could file a bug about it :P
[09:47] <toorima> savvas: there is a bug filed about file missing from repo, was hoping someone knew of a deb pack somewhere
[09:49] <savvas> http://marius.scurtescu.com/2007/06/25/installing_checkgmail_on_ubuntu
[09:51] <DeepB> toorima: http://cgmail.tuxfamily.org/
[09:52] <savvas> sweet
[09:53] <toorima> cool i'll look into those links, thx
[09:55] <jaffarkelshac> is anyone else having difficulties updating
[09:55] <gluer> yes
[09:55] <tigerstein> yes :/
[09:55] <DeepB> yes, openoffice
[09:56] <tigerstein> OOo, is total useless for me right now, it doesn't start, but I don't know the reason, no error is given
[09:57] <vallhalla81> !vmwaer
[09:57] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about vmwaer - try searching on http://ubotu.ubuntu-nl.org/factoids.cgi
[09:57] <tigerstein> but I sad that yesterday :)
[09:57] <savvas> DeepB: that's a great app :)
[09:57] <savvas> toorima: use cgmail
[09:57] <vallhalla81> !vmware
[09:57] <ubotu> VMWare Player is in Ubuntu's !Multiverse repository (package "vmware-player", not available for Gutsy, only Feisty and Edgy), and http://www.easyvmx.com/easyvmx.shtml can create VMs for it. Instructions can be found at https://help.ubuntu.com/community/VMware - See also !virtualizers
[09:58] <DeepB> savvas: thanks :)
[09:58] <toorima> savvas: i like the mark read/spam delete function that checkgmail has
[09:59] <savvas> ah
[10:00] <savvas> well.. in time.. :P
[10:00] <fraroco> how to rip a cd with juicer with a mp3 quality?
[10:01] <savvas> fraroco: menu disc > extract
[10:02] <savvas> you probably need to install some codecs: sudo apt-get install lame
[10:02] <jaffarkelshac> i am learning scripts, export PATH=$PATH:directory to add the path so i dont keep using ./script to run scripts. but the path is deleted when i close terminal
[10:02] <compwiz18> jaffarkelshac: you'll have to add it to your .bashrc
[10:02] <fraroco> savvas, I tried but it is ripped as ogg not mp3
[10:03] <gluer> can anyone tell me how i completely replace Firefox 3 B4 with Firefox B5?
[10:03] <jaffarkelshac> where exactly in the bashrc, i already added some aliases there
[10:03] <savvas> fraroco: 11:02:09 < savvas> you probably need to install some codecs: sudo apt-get install lame
[10:05] <savvas> ah wait
[10:06] <TuoDrable> hello!
[10:06] <alan_m> Hello TuoDrable
[10:06] <nacer> there is some problem with the MAJ ?
[10:06] <TuoDrable> I'm trying out the new beta
[10:06] <nacer> i have a poppup for partial MAJ but it fail
[10:06] <TuoDrable> but I'm having problems with my sound
[10:07] <TuoDrable> 00:1b.0 Audio device: Intel Corporation 82801H (ICH8 Family) HD Audio Controller (rev 03)
[10:07] <TuoDrable> in Gutsy, there was a workaround
[10:07] <TuoDrable> with the backports
[10:07] <savvas> I guess they're supporting the open source format only.. you could extract to ogg, then convert to mp3 using soundconverter (from applications > add/remove programs)
[10:08] <savvas> fraroco: ^
[10:08] <fraroco> savvas,
[10:08] <TuoDrable> to install the new alsa 1.0.15
[10:08] <TuoDrable> and that worked totally
[10:09] <TuoDrable> but in Hardy now, it's broken
[10:09] <TuoDrable> if anyone could help me out, I'd be very pleased
[10:09] <xodeus> You have to add your model info to your alsa configuration TuoDrable
[10:10] <TuoDrable> ach, that option?
[10:10] <TuoDrable> wait, I'll give it a try
[10:11] <fraroco> savvas, I tried to do it with Juicer. It has the CD quality MP3 configured and checked the active option. However the options to rip does not have this one.
[10:12] <savvas> fraroco: file a bug or a brainstorm :)
[10:12] <fraroco> savvas, hahahaha thks ... !! :) I will
[10:24] <PolitikerNEU> Is there an option to save the data about installed packages so I can simply reinstall the packages when reinstalling the system?
[10:25] <gluer> how do i get second lcd display working?
[10:26] <Amaranth> PolitikerNEU: dpkg --get-selections
[10:27] <Amaranth> PolitikerNEU: and dpkg --set-selections
[10:27] <dooglus> upgrading to hardy has removed the free disk space monitor from the xfce4 panel, and re-enabled tracker (which silently proceeded to fill up the disk).  nice combination!
[10:27] <PolitikerNEU> ah - thanks Amaranth
[10:27] <Amaranth> dooglus: sounds like xubuntu problems, in ubuntu we disabled tracker :P
[10:27] <PolitikerNEU> at least the dpkg --get-selections works fine
[10:27] <holzmodem> hi, will be the epiphany-webkit package available before the release off hardy ?
[10:27] <Amaranth> no
[10:28] <Amaranth> it really doesn't work right now
[10:28] <dooglus> Amaranth: I'm not clear on the distinction.  I installed ubuntu, and then xubuntu-desktop.  I also have ubuntu-desktop.
[10:29] <Amaranth> dooglus: i dunno, i know tracker is disabled for ubuntu
[10:29] <Amaranth> that's a desktop thing so maybe xubuntu has it enabled
[10:30] <Lamego> when you mean disabld, you are refering to a fresh install, upgrading should not disable it (I guess)
[10:30] <dooglus> Amaranth: maybe.  what does ubuntu use for desktop search?
[10:30] <Amaranth> nothing
[10:31] <Amaranth> Lamego: right, it is only disabled in new installs
[10:31] <dooglus> Amaranth: any idea why?  seems like a step backwards to me?
[10:31] <Amaranth> dooglus: because it was discovered that the reason login time is so bad is all the disk IO
[10:31] <Amaranth> and tracker walks ~ on start
[10:31] <Lamego> dooglus, trackerd can be resources consuming, and not everyone needs it
[10:31] <dooglus> what about beagle?
[10:32] <dooglus> that's what was used in feisty I think
[10:32] <Amaranth> i believe deskbar is gone too
[10:32] <Amaranth> beagle was never used
[10:32] <Amaranth> and has a different problem, you have to load mono on login which is also lots of extra IO
[10:33] <dooglus> Amaranth: I was surprised to find that mono got installed today when I updated.  yesterday it wasn't required by ubuntu-desktop and today it is - can that be true?
[10:33] <Amaranth> dooglus: err, ubuntu-desktop has depended on mono stuff for a long time
[10:33] <Amaranth> for f-spot and tomboy
[10:34] <dooglus> Amaranth: I don't understand then.  I definitely had ubuntu-desktop installed recently without mono, f-spot, or tomboy
[10:34] <Amaranth> well, i think they are recommends
[10:34] <Amaranth> but most of the tools will install recommends automatically these days
[10:35] <Amaranth> their only use is you can remove them later
[10:35] <SpexBluefox> Hey guys. I'm having a problem with the latest 8.04 installation. I went with the "install from windows" option, and earlier it worked great. But after a few re-installs there isn't a version of 8.04 that seems to work. The issues seems to be in video or in X not starting.
[10:37] <SpexBluefox> Hardware is: 2 gigs RAM, Intel Centrino Duo 1.5 ghz, nVidia GeForce 8600 M. If you need more hardware info, let me know.
[10:39] <SpexBluefox> I admit being a bit new to Ubuntu, though not a total virgin. And certainly not new to computers. Is there anyone who can help me?
[10:40] <jaffarkelshac> well it depends what your problem is
[10:40] <Lynoure> SpexBluefox: just ask your questions, and most likely someone will.
[10:41] <Lynoure> SpexBluefox: I would not recommend Hardy for a new Linux user for another 20 days or so
[10:42] <jaffarkelshac> the most compatible one i tried when i was finding problems with my screen res was 6.10
[10:43] <SpexBluefox> well I would but I'm in need of using the install from windows option right now, since I really don't want to go through the hassle or making another partition on my system right now.
[10:43] <jaffarkelshac> so what is the problem exactly
[10:45] <SpexBluefox> Well it doesn't seem to give a whole lot of info when I try using it. I start with installing from Windows, which works just fine. Then I boot into the Ubuntu installation. When I was using the x64 version (which worked perfectly fine early before a couple of reinstalls due to experimenting) it just booted to a completely blank screen when problems started to happen. No backlight or anything...
[10:45] <SpexBluefox> ...on the laptop screen.
[10:46] <SpexBluefox> The most I managed to get on either x64 or x86 installs is a command prompt.
[10:46] <SpexBluefox> when using verbos, it just looks like it's hanging. No errors seem to be showing up really.
[10:50] <SpexBluefox> commands like "startx" don't work because at this point the OS isn't entirely installed. The process is suppose to pick up where it left off in windows.
[10:51] <kahrytan> Where can I get a list of known Hardy bugs?
[10:53] <macogw> kahrytan: launchpad
[10:54] <kahrytan> Umm tried.
[10:54] <kahrytan> Link please.
[10:54] <compwiz18> launchpad.net
[10:54] <Amaranth> kahrytan: you want the firehose?
[10:55] <kahrytan> No, I want a direct link to hardy bugs so I can access if they are tolerable.
[10:55] <Amaranth> all 43034 of them?
[10:55] <macogw> kahrytan: current biggest breakage is l-r-m not uploading for -13 kernel and gnome-settings-daemon being broken and the facebrowser gdm theme being broken and causing gdm to hang
[10:56] <macogw> all were caused by yesterday's updates
[10:56] <kahrytan> lol
[10:56] <kahrytan> That helps
[10:56] <bjwebb> hi
[10:56] <bjwebb> has the can't get to login on boot thing been fixed?
[10:57] <kahrytan> gnome-settings-daemon is important
[10:57] <kahrytan> Amaranth->  How would I do a search in launchpad for the list?
[10:58] <Amaranth> kahrytan: need to narrow your search parameters
[10:58] <kahrytan> to?
[10:59] <kahrytan> I am curious if Developers have kept in mind Widescreen support
[10:59] <Amaranth> for?
[11:00] <kahrytan> so many people getting widescreen monitors?
[11:00] <kahrytan> Just about every new pc these days have widescreen monitors with it
[11:01] <dns53> it seems to depend on the drivers, the new xorg does not need the xorg.conf and should autodetect everything
[11:03] <kahrytan> dns53->  thats sounds good
[11:03] <kahrytan> dns53->  I hope it can detect my 1440x900 resolution
[11:03] <jaffarkelshac> i need some help, i want to add path to run my script, someone said to add to .bashrc but am not sure where.
[11:04] <compwiz18> jaffarkelshac: the .bashrc is in your home directory
[11:04] <Lamego> jaffarkelshac, gedit ~/.bashrc
[11:04] <jaffarkelshac> compwiz18, i know where it is, but where in the file do i add the directory
[11:04] <compwiz18> anywhere
[11:04] <compwiz18> it's just a normal script
[11:05] <kahrytan> 101 bugs in Hardy.
[11:05] <dns53> i am running hardy on my eeepc, i did need to edit my xorg.conf and add the 800x480 resolution
[11:05] <jaffarkelshac> do i but the whole "export PATH=$PATH:directory"?
[11:06] <compwiz18> jaffarkelshac: yep
[11:06] <Amaranth> kahrytan: those are bugs specifically targeting hardy
[11:06] <jaffarkelshac> thanks
[11:06] <kahrytan> Amaranth->  and thats my list im looking for
[11:07] <Amaranth> kahrytan: that only happens when a bug needs a separate fix for more than one release or someone thinking setting it to hardy means it is important and someone will fix it
[11:07] <Amaranth> they're usually wrong and just shoving more noise in
[11:07] <compwiz18> does the new Xorg detect mice with lots of buttons right?
[11:07] <Amaranth> it detects my 7 button mouse
[11:07] <kahrytan> Amaranth->  do you know if they will include cx18 ivtv in hardy?
[11:08] <Amaranth> i don't even know what that is so....
[11:08] <kahrytan> Amaranth->  Beta driver for new Wintv cards.
[11:09] <Amaranth> i'm guessing no
[11:09] <Infecto> strange
[11:09] <Infecto> some one have any idea?
[11:09] <Infecto> https://www.kb24.pl/LoginServlet
[11:10] <Infecto> i cant log in to this site i install j2re bin and mozill plugin
[11:10] <Infecto> and :( nothing
[11:11] <kahrytan> Amaranth->  then no native support for my wintv.
[11:11] <kahrytan> by native, i meant out of the box
[11:12] <Amaranth> *shrug*
[11:12] <kennethr> how long until firefox3.0b5 is in hardy?
[11:13] <kennethr> will there be a second beta of hardy?
[11:13] <kennethr> ok, so no second beta on the HardyReleaseSchedule
[11:13] <dns53> it is in hardy
[11:14] <kennethr> what about firefox3.0b5?
[11:15] <sami_> Hi! i have some strange lockups with my hardy heron, any ideas? i've tested my RAM and filesystems and it´s fully updated. when it lockups, only mouse will work and i have to use alt+sysrq+k command to get login again..
[11:15] <Skiessi> !info firefox
[11:15] <ubotu> Package firefox does not exist in hardy
[11:15] <Skiessi> o_O?
[11:15] <dns53> it has 3b4
[11:15] <Skiessi> ubotu is sick
[11:15] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about is sick - try searching on http://ubotu.ubuntu-nl.org/factoids.cgi
[11:16] <kennethr> dns53: right, when does 3b5 come in?
[11:16] <kahrytan> !info mozilla-firefox
[11:16] <ubotu> Package mozilla-firefox does not exist in hardy
[11:16] <dns53> when they release it?
[11:16] <dns53> !info firefox3
[11:16] <kennethr> yesterday
[11:16] <ubotu> Package firefox3 does not exist in hardy
[11:16] <Amaranth>    firefox | 3.0~b4+nobinonly-0ubuntu1 | http://archive.ubuntu.com hardy/main Packages
[11:17] <kennethr> !firefox-3.0
[11:17] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about firefox-3.0 - try searching on http://ubotu.ubuntu-nl.org/factoids.cgi
[11:17] <kennethr> !info firefox-3.0
[11:17] <ubotu> Package firefox-3.0 does not exist in hardy
[11:17] <Skiessi> like I said
[11:17] <kennethr> !info firefox-3.0~b4+nobinonly-0ubuntu1
[11:17] <ubotu> Package firefox-3.0b4+nobinonly-0ubuntu1 does not exist in hardy
[11:18] <kennethr> !info firefox-3.0~b4
[11:18] <ubotu> Package firefox-3.0b4 does not exist in hardy
[11:18] <Lynoure> hmm
[11:18] <Skiessi> it's got dementia
[11:18] <kennethr> !info firefox
[11:18] <ubotu> Package firefox does not exist in hardy
[11:18] <kennethr> ok
[11:18] <kahrytan> Okay stop.
[11:18] <Amaranth> Stop that.
[11:18] <kennethr> anyways, how long until the next beta is integrated?
[11:19] <Amaranth> kennethr: June
[11:19] <kennethr> Amaranth: where is that documented?
[11:19] <bazhang> kennethr: why the rush
[11:19] <Amaranth> kennethr: In the "You're impatient" file
[11:19] <kahrytan> 21days
[11:20] <Amaranth> We have until the 10th
[11:20] <kennethr> Amaranth: funny
[11:20] <Amaranth> So have some patience, it'll probably show up tomorrow or Monday anyway
[11:21] <kennethr> Just curious, if mozilla only has 3.0b5 out by the 10th, does ubuntu's process allow the final 3.0 to land after hardy release?
[11:21] <Skiessi> sure
[11:21] <kennethr> bazhang: no rush...just interested in the process
[11:21] <Skiessi> gutsy has 2.0.0.17, I think
[11:21] <kennethr> ???
[11:21] <kahrytan> Amaranth->  3 will be backported right?
[11:22] <kennethr> Skiessi: 2.0.0.13
[11:22] <Amaranth> kahrytan: Almost certainly
[11:22] <Amaranth> kahrytan: If not it means there is no point to doing so
[11:23] <kahrytan> Amaranth->  thats one thing I understand about repos. Main one doesnt get changed after release'
[11:23] <Skiessi> o.o
[11:23] <Lamego> it is not only main, only repositories follow the SRU policy
[11:23] <kennethr> kahrytan: Amaranth: that's why I ask
[11:24] <kahrytan> We get Security fixes. but version upgrades arent in.
[11:25] <Skiessi> :o well anyway, it's the latest version
[11:25] <Skiessi> and it was released after gutsy
[11:25] <kahrytan> Amaranth->  i plan to try to do something for /next/ release
[11:25] <Skiessi> or am I wrong again?
[11:25] <kennethr> Skiessi: yes, but it wasn't a major release....just an update
[11:25] <savvas> Err http://packages.medibuntu.org hardy Release.gpg                                                                Could not resolve 'packages.medibuntu.org'
[11:25] <savvas> heh
[11:26] <Skiessi> beta4->beta5 is a major one?
[11:26] <savvas> and then they tell me QoS isn't necessary :p
[11:26] <kahrytan> kennethr->  do you turn on backport repo in releases?
[11:27] <kennethr> kahrytan: I haven't...I'm actually new-ish to ubuntu
[11:27] <kahrytan> kennethr->  well, you should.
[11:27] <kennethr> kahrytan: what do I gain?
[11:27] <Infecto> dpkg -L j2re1.4-mozilla-plugin
[11:27] <Infecto> why i dont have any .so file?
[11:27] <kahrytan> kennethr->  ever so slightly upgrades to software
[11:29] <kennethr> Alright, well...thanks all for sharing information..I think I have a general understanding of how it'll go down.
[11:30] <kennethr> kahrytan: Skiessi: Lamego: Amaranth: bazhang: Thanks all!
[11:31] <Lynoure> savvas: Could be caused by a bad nameserver, too
[11:32] <savvas> I know but it works when i stop apt
[11:34] <tigerstein> good bye
[11:35] <savvas> hm..
[11:35] <savvas> sometimes when I do aptitude safe-upgrade or install it shows some weird empty spaces
[11:36] <savvas> then it doesn't ask me if I want to install it or not and it proceed
[11:39] <savvas> note to self: never remove linux-libc-dev :P
[11:40] <num> the auto update manager just said that it can not do all the updates, just partial, is this because of the new kernel package?
[11:41] <savvas> and some openoffice stuff
[11:41] <num> so it is normal?
[11:41] <num> is apt-get dist-upgrade the solution?
[11:42] <savvas> I use aptitude safe-upgrade :)
[11:42] <savvas> It will update everything when all the dependencies are built for it
[11:43] <hrothmund> I've seen a similar problem with dependencies - check this link http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?p=4638975
[11:43] <TuoDrable> hello there
[11:44] <TuoDrable> xodeus: I did what you suggested, added the line options...blabla...model=hp
[11:44] <TuoDrable> it had no effect
[11:45] <TuoDrable> but not everything is so-called broken, nono
[11:45] <TuoDrable> de speakers of my laptop are working
[11:46] <TuoDrable> it's the headphone, microphone, sound buttons,... that do not work
[11:49] <TuoDrable> waidaminit
[11:49] <TuoDrable> it did work :)
[11:49] <TuoDrable> silly me
[11:49] <TuoDrable> thanks alot!
[11:53] <num> i just see that the locals are fallen back to standard C after doing an upgrade
[11:55] <DragonLarma> hello everybody
[11:57] <JDahl> after the latest upgrade my bluetooth mouse stopped working, so I deleted it from Bluetooth Manager and wanted to re-add it,  but I dont know how...  any hints?
[12:00] <dns53> accessories > bluetooth?
[12:04] <JDahl> The bluetooth mouse appears under "browse devices",  but I can't figure out how to make it "bonded"
[12:13] <coz_> hey guys
[12:14] <coz_> any news as to when or if the wacom tablet driver will be ready for hardy?
[12:15] <wilbert> is there a problem with the latest packages for ubuntu hardy?
[12:16] <coz_> wilbert, I just updated a few minutes ago and everything seems to be working although if nvidia you will have to reinstall the driver  not sure about ati
[12:16] <wilbert> i will try it now
[12:18] <wilbert> i can only partly upgrade and then it said can't calculate the demands for the upgrade (roughly translated from dutch)
[12:19] <wilbert> coz-, i can only partly upgrade and then it said can't calculate the demands for the upgrade (roughly translated from dutch)
[12:21] <ty> Hi, does anyone know what would cause browsing network share to be extremely slow?
[12:21] <coz_> wilbert, right  I did that several times and then just opened synaptic pacakge manager  and did it there  however I didnt trust the upgrades so i did the update manager thing a few times last night  and just finished thi smorning with synaptic
[12:21] <adinc> after upgrading the locales are set to C, and it doesn't boot with the new kernel
[12:22] <coz_> wilbert,  but apparenlty it is ok   however if you want to just do it in spurts that should be fine also  it s  what I did
[12:22] <ty> The thing is once i get to a file and start to download or stream it seems to be ok
[12:23] <wilbert> oke i will try that, thanks in advance -coz_
[12:23] <adinc> dpkg-reconfigure just regenerates en_us.utf-8, where can i set the locales?
[12:24] <dns53> adminstration > language support
[12:24] <coz_> wilbert, no problem   I just dont trust  updates on beta software that often so I did it in spurts to test each upgrade  and then, as I said , finished it this morening
[12:25] <dns53> coz_ it is worse when you have a 2gb / and need to get 600mb of updates
[12:25] <coz_> dns53, :)  I understand
[12:26] <t1> does anyone know why browsing a network would be really slow? but i can still stream files ok
[12:26] <h3sp4wn> A Windows network
[12:26] <IdleOne> !locales | adinc
[12:26] <ubotu> adinc: To set up and configure your locales, see https://help.ubuntu.com/community/LocaleConf
[12:26] <h3sp4wn> ?
[12:27] <h3sp4wn> t1: Windows network ?
[12:27] <t1> yes
[12:27] <h3sp4wn> Same reason its always slow
[12:27] <h3sp4wn> unless you have a domain controller
[12:27] <t1> When i browse windows to windows its fast though
[12:28] <t1> sorry no domain controller
[12:28] <h3sp4wn> You can set samba up as a domain controller quite easily (and wins server)
[12:28] <dns53> t1 is it a problem between windows and windows or linux and linux?
[12:29] <t1> dns53: linux and windows
[12:30] <t1> my shares are located on an xp machine and i have ubuntu on my lappy trying to access them
[12:31] <dns53> t1 well there could be something bad on the network level, perhaps the MTU is different between them
[12:31] <adinc> IdleOne: thank you, but there is't a package called localeconf
[12:31] <adinc> the this help isn't really of any help. did you have a look to this page?
[12:32] <Finnish> Is Avidemux working properly in Hardy?
[12:32] <t1> sorry for my ignorance, but how do i check that?
[12:32] <Finnish> I try to edit AVI-video, and it plays very sluggish
[12:32] <wilbert> smbfs?
[12:33] <h3sp4wn> dns53: 100% certain its to do with the way the master browser and all that stuff is chosen
[12:34] <dns53> h3sp4wn who knows, my guess was because once it has settled the tcp level negotiation works itself out and gets the right speed eventually
[12:35] <h3sp4wn> t1: If you try to connect to the ip of the box directly
[12:35] <h3sp4wn> Is it instant ?
[12:36] <torpedo|dog> Is anybody still having the problem that GDM just kind of hangs?  It started with a bundle of updates that included a kernel with no l-r-m.
[12:38] <t1> h3sp4wn: wow yws
[12:39] <t1> yes^
[12:39] <tomahasamoot> I've got a problem with kubuntu 8.10 alt amd64, I've installed the kubuntu-restricted-extras package, and I still can't listen to m4a files w/ Amarok
[12:39] <tomahasamoot> I think it worked in 7.10
[12:42] <adinc> how can i see the messages during boot time, bypassing the splashscreen?
[12:42] <Skiessi> where did you get kubuntu 8.10?
[12:43] <torpedo|dog> adinc
[12:43] <adinc> torpedo|dog: yes?
[12:44] <adinc> ohh no, an upgrade today destroyed my keyboard layout. locales are messed up
[12:44] <torpedo|dog> when you get to the boot screen, press e to edit the commands. Then, select the line that starts with "kernel", hit e again, go to the end, and add a nice little "no" to the front of splash
[12:45] <dns53> Skieesi http://www.ubuntu.com/testing/hardy/beta, check the links in the channel subject
[12:45] <Skiessi> adinc open terminal, type in "sudo gedit /boot/grub/menu.lst" and remove the word from the entries
[12:45] <adinc> torpedo|dog: i see, so saying nosplash to the kernel parameters
[12:45] <torpedo|dog> yep
[12:45] <Skiessi> adinc, *the word splash
[12:45] <torpedo|dog> you might also just be able to remove "splash"
[12:45] <torpedo|dog> if you edit menu.lst, remove it from one of those commented areas up top, so that it stays gone when it regenerates
[12:46] <heydabop> When I try to boot into the recovery console, it hangs at "Loading Hardware Drivers".
[12:46] <heydabop> Should I just keep trying until it works?
[12:46] <adinc> but more worth is the locales mess, i had german keyboard on the shell, gone; on the gnome site german is still active
[12:46] <orvokki> Hey, does anyone know if there's any logs somewhere on which kernel modules are loaded on boot?
[12:46] <jimiridge> dmesg?
[12:46] <orvokki> Not accurate enough.
[12:47] <orvokki> I need full path.
[12:47] <adinc> orvokki: lsmod can also tell you the loaded modules
[12:47] <orvokki> I suspect I have two nvidia proprietary modules on my system and the wrong one is loaded on boot.
[12:47] <adinc> orvokki: then use which
[12:47] <dns53> look in /var/logs/kern.log
[12:48] <orvokki> Right, that might help. I'll check when I get home.
[12:48] <adinc> how do i set the locales for the console, which was ok before upgrading
[12:49] <orvokki> I don't know exactly *why* I have two of them but so far it seems the only explanation for this. The end result is that X doesn't start before I do rmmod nvidia; modprobe nvidia.
[12:49] <orvokki> That is, after each boot.
[12:50] <dns53> tried reinstalling it?
[12:50] <orvokki> Yes, no effect.
[12:51] <orvokki> Or did you mean the whole system? No. It's probably just a runaway kernel module, that would be a bit drastic.
[12:51] <Dr_willis> check the dmesg output befor/after each rmmod/modprobe command?   ive never heard of such an issue lately.
[12:52] <Dr_willis> i dont see how rmmod, then modprobe, would be loading different nvidia modules.
[12:52] <dns53> yeah it seems strange, what files do you have in the folder /etc/modultils/
[12:52] <heydabop> When I try to boot into the recovery console, it hangs when it loads hardware drivers. I'm running AMD64 if that matters.
[12:52] <orvokki> dns53: I can't check yet. The computer is at home.
[12:53] <orvokki> Dr_willis: The system is amd64, btw.
[12:53] <Dr_willis> all bets are off then.... :)
[12:53] <Dr_willis> heh  heh
[12:53] <dns53> also check /etc/moodules for the drivers loaded at boot
[12:53] <orvokki> Will do.
[12:53] <Dr_willis> also check what kernel versions you got loaded and whats gettting booted.
[12:54] <IdleOne> how do i check to see what driver is being used for graphics card?
[12:54] <orvokki> I only have one kernel version installed atm.
[12:54] <orvokki> 2.6.24-12-generic iirc.
[12:54] <kennethr> orvokki: what's the question?
[12:54] <kennethr> orvokki: I'm running em64t
[12:59] <heydabop> Is there a bug when booting into the AMD64 recovery console?
[12:59] <adinc> IdleOne: you may look into /etc/X11/xorg.conf
[13:00] <Turski> is audio volume stepping by keyboard controls changeable?
[13:01] <IdleOne> adinc: yeah i was hoping the was a GUI app that list all driver info for the main hardware components being used
[13:02] <adinc> IdleOne: you can get most with lspci
[13:03] <h3sp4wn> t1: If its just 2 machines you could maybe use lmhosts
[13:03] <orvokki> kennethr: I seem to be having two nvidia proprietary drivers even though I know of only one installed and bootup load sequence loads the wrong one. But already got some tips on finding out what it's about.
[13:04] <kennethr> orvokki: ok, great
[13:09] <compwiz18> I'm correct in assuming I can just swap HDDs around, yes?
[13:09] <compwiz18> for instance, I can install Ubuntu using one computer
[13:09] <compwiz18> and then pop it in another, and it will work
[13:09] <compwiz18> right?
[13:10] <jimiridge> egh sometimes
[13:10] <dns53> it SHOULD work but you may have problems with video drivers and things like that
[13:10] <jimiridge> during install the installer adds entrys to blacklist
[13:10] <compwiz18> ok
[13:10] <compwiz18> good enough for me
[13:10] <jimiridge> based on your hardware
[13:10] <compwiz18> I'll give it a try
[13:11] <compwiz18> my theory is installing things in qemu using a USB-to-IDE adapter for laptop hard drives
[13:11] <compwiz18> said laptop doesn't have a working cdrw drive
[13:11] <dns53> i did that this weekend when my cd drive did not work, results will vary
[13:11] <compwiz18> so I can burn the cd drive
[13:11] <jimiridge> serious your gonna prolly have module issues
[13:11] <compwiz18> sorry
[13:11] <compwiz18> I can't use the cd drive
[13:11] <compwiz18> well
[13:11] <compwiz18> if I do
[13:11] <compwiz18> what did I lose?
[13:12] <IdleOne> time
[13:12] <compwiz18> yep
[13:12] <compwiz18> pretty much
[13:12] <IdleOne> wont hurt to try
[13:12] <compwiz18> nope
[13:12] <dns53> you could turn a usb drive into a live cd
[13:12] <compwiz18> yeah
[13:12] <compwiz18> except the computer can't boot from usb, I don't think
[13:12] <IdleOne> compwiz18: no need to remind you about static electricity and all that :)
[13:12] <compwiz18> IdleOne: nope :P
[13:13] <compwiz18> I already did the surgical part of the procedure
[13:13] <IdleOne> well then fire it up
[13:13] <compwiz18> yep
[13:13] <compwiz18> it is installing
[13:14] <compwiz18> hooked up /dev/sdc as the drive in qemu
[13:14] <compwiz18> picked it right up
[13:14] <compwiz18> virtualbox can't use real drives as the "virtual" drives, apparently
[13:15] <Dr_willis> No it cant. i think thas one of the free versions limitations
[13:15] <Dr_willis> or was it a usb device limit? i forget.
[13:15] <compwiz18> I dunno
[13:15] <compwiz18> it didn't like it though
[13:18] <compwiz18> are 5.25 inch hard drives that are IDE the same as 3.5 inch IDE drives,  except for the fact that they are bigger?
[13:18] <compwiz18> connection wise?
[13:19] <kennethr> compwiz18: where are you getting 5.25 inch hard drives?
[13:19] <Dr_willis> 5.25? Hmm... wherent those the mdf? type disks?
[13:19] <kennethr> compwiz18: IDE is IDE
[13:19] <compwiz18> kennethr: old computer
[13:19] <Dr_willis> actually i think i may have an old very WIDE ide drive...
[13:19] <compwiz18> I tried a USB to IDE converted and it didn't like the drive
[13:20] <Dr_willis> thats an ide. like a whole 100mb.
[13:20] <compwiz18> I have one thats a whole 8gb
[13:20] <Dr_willis> given the age of the disk.. YOu sure its good?
[13:20] <compwiz18> as far as I know
[13:20] <compwiz18> I had Xubuntu on it
[13:20] <IdleOne> apples are apples. except the red and green and yellow and taste and also the texture differs. besides that apples are apples :P
[13:20] <compwiz18> but the 300mhz processor couldn't handle it
[13:21] <Dr_willis> Hmm.. i had xubuntu on a 100mhz pent1 :)
[13:21] <compwiz18> :)
[13:21] <compwiz18> this is a p2
[13:21] <dwidmann> IdleOne: don't forget about the obvious size differences
[13:21] <savvas> IdleOne: you could generalise that as: computers are computers :p
[13:22]  * IdleOne had Ubuntu ( gnome ) running on a 133mhz 192 mb ram with a 10 Gig HD it was slower then slime comming off a snails..... but ran
[13:22] <IdleOne> savvas: arent they!?
[13:22] <jimiridge> i have a 233mhz cpu running ubuntu server
[13:22] <compwiz18> This one has 300mhz w/ 96mb of ram
[13:22] <savvas> an it is an it :P
[13:23] <savvas> lol
[13:23] <compwiz18> running Ubuntu server with xfce-desktop
[13:23] <Dr_willis> thats 3x my old laptop
[13:23] <Dr_willis> :)
[13:23]  * dwidmann would probably break down and cry if he ever had to touch a computer that old/slow again
[13:23] <compwiz18> that's the oldest computer I have
[13:23] <compwiz18> I think
[13:23] <jimiridge> who would install an xserver on ubunutu server... especially a low speed cpu
[13:23] <savvas> I had a dmac
[13:23] <compwiz18> jimiridge: that's why I'm reinstalling xD
[13:24] <savvas> from '95, my brother took it and smashed it to pieces :\
[13:24] <jimiridge> you dont have to fricken reinstall for that
[13:24] <dwidmann> jimiridge: somebody with patience, lots and lots of patience.
[13:24] <jimiridge> thats retarded
[13:24] <compwiz18> jimiridge: I know - I'm gonna put slitaz on it
[13:24] <Dr_willis> I just used mine as a 'ssh terminal' :)
[13:24] <IdleOne> dwidmann: I made due with what I had till I could upgrade hardware. when I did the hardware was to new and not supported lol
[13:24] <compwiz18> I plugged mine into a tv and used it with htop to monitor the cpu
[13:25] <jimiridge> oh NO i deleted my  /etc/ssh/sshd_config  oh well time to reinstall
[13:25] <dwidmann> IdleOne: ouch
[13:25] <Dr_willis> compwiz18,  done that befor with serial terminals
[13:25] <Dr_willis> :)
[13:25] <compwiz18> ah, htop + ssh, rather
[13:25] <dwidmann> IdleOne: the stuff I've got in my box is rather new with the exception of the vga and it runs without issues ... guess I was choosier/luckier
[13:26] <Ava-> anyone else have flaky issues with compiz in hardy?
[13:26] <IdleOne> dwidmann: tell me about it was without ubuntu for about a month. and forced to use.... well you know it still hurts to talk about it :(
[13:26] <dwidmann> Now I get to wait til Monday or Tuesday for my fans to get here ...
[13:27] <Ava-> when my windows snap to top they freak out and the upper right corner twitches like a crack addict
[13:27] <dwidmann> IdleOne: forced to use an ancient computer ... :(
[13:28] <IdleOne> dwidmann: no I used a brand new fast as a greased pig struck by lightning computer with...oh man!!! windows Vista :(
[13:28] <dwidmann> Now I get to wait til Monday or Tuesday for my new fans/heatsinks to get here :\
[13:28] <Ava-> vista isn't as horrible as a lot of people say it is :)
[13:29] <compwiz18> so I've found also, Ava-
[13:29] <Dr_willis> Ava-,  and in many ways its MUCH worse...
[13:29] <Dr_willis> :)
[13:29] <IdleOne> no it really isnt but I just prefer Ubuntu
[13:29] <Ava-> hah!
[13:29] <dwidmann> IdleOne: guess I get the best of both worlds right now --- brand new fast as a greased pig struck by lightning computer with Kubuntu :)
[13:29] <Dr_willis> Lets just say ive removed vista from more machines then i have installed it to...
[13:29] <Ava-> of course
[13:29] <Ava-> personal preference :)
[13:30] <compwiz18> I keep XP and Arch and Ubuntu and Zenwalk
[13:30] <Ava-> i've installed windows on more machines than I've ever isntalled os-x too
[13:30] <Ava-> :)
[13:30] <IdleOne> dwidmann: dont like KDE. I gnome therefore I am
[13:30] <compwiz18> just for kicks :)
[13:30] <compwiz18> qemu is pretty slow, but I'm not gonna complain cause it works :)
[13:31] <dwidmann> IdleOne: I umm, what you said in reverse
[13:31] <jimiridge> need kqemu
[13:31] <compwiz18> jimiridge: what does that do?
[13:31] <compwiz18> I saw a note about that in the postinst of the Arch package
[13:31] <IdleOne> dwidmann: that is what is so AWSOME about linux . we can use the same OS and they are completly different
[13:31] <jimiridge> its qemu's kernel module (accellerator)
[13:31] <compwiz18> jimiridge: ah
[13:31]  * compwiz18 goes to find kqemu
[13:31] <jimiridge> you can ussually install it through module-assistant
[13:31] <jimiridge> some compwiz you are
[13:32] <compwiz18> ;)
[13:32] <jimiridge> here i'll just name myself glassblower even though i cant blow glass
[13:32] <IdleOne> jimiridge: the 18 is not his age but amount of minutes of experience :)
[13:32] <dwidmann> IdleOne: hehehe, yeah, this is true.
[13:32] <jimiridge> ah
[13:32] <IdleOne> hahaha
[13:32] <Ava-> how many seconds he takes in bed
[13:32] <Ava-> :)
[13:33] <compwiz18> it isn't my age either ;)
[13:33] <Maledictus> Is there a repository for following ubuntu "edge|current|head|unstable"?
[13:33] <IdleOne> compwiz18: that is what I said
[13:33] <rsk> Maledictus: no
[13:33] <IdleOne> Ava-: no need to compliment him lmao
[13:33] <rsk> Maledictus: but there is for current releases and hardy
[13:33] <Ava-> lol
[13:33] <Maledictus> ok
[13:33] <rsk> Maledictus, dont think debian
[13:33] <Maledictus> thinking freebsd :)
[13:33] <rsk> alright
[13:34]  * dwidmann is half tempted to try freebsd and see if he likes it
[13:34] <Ava-> it's real unix
[13:34] <Maledictus> sad, I'd love to try following a ubuntu current
[13:34] <Ava-> of course you'll like it
[13:34] <Ava-> I'm a cli guy though
[13:34] <jimiridge> ugh real unix :P
[13:34] <Ava-> :P
[13:34] <rsk> Maledictus: then get the hardy beta
[13:34] <jimiridge> if i hear people say that agian im gonna vomit
[13:34] <Ava-> real unix!
[13:34] <IdleOne> Maledictus: you can try current beta release
[13:34] <jimiridge> they all follow the unix specification
[13:34] <rsk> Maledictus: althou then hardu is released
[13:35] <rsk> Maledictus: you will be using stable, and have to change repositories again
[13:35] <rsk> hardy*
[13:35] <Maledictus> rsk: will do that, but thought of a repo which automatically gets the new stuff after the release
[13:35] <rsk> Maledictus: there's no such thing
[13:35] <dwidmann> Ava-: sometimes I don't know why I go out of my way to start up X when I'm just going to pull up a terminal emulator to do all of my real work anyway
[13:35] <Dr_willis> dwidmann,  for the purty wallpaper
[13:35] <Maledictus> so all devs switch to the new name of the next release after hardy release?
[13:35] <dwidmann> Dr_willis: that must be it
[13:35] <rsk> yes
[13:36] <Maledictus> is there already such a repo for hardy+1?
[13:36] <rsk> no
[13:36] <IdleOne> Maledictus: not yet
[13:36] <rsk> Maledictus: as i said
[13:36] <IdleOne> let them finish hardy first
[13:36] <rsk> Maledictus: _after_ hardy is released
[13:36] <Maledictus> a, and days after that I think?
[13:36] <IdleOne> coule days yeah
[13:36] <rsk> sure
[13:36] <IdleOne> couple
[13:36] <jimiridge> unix is trademarked so mac/bsd really isnt unix
[13:36] <Maledictus> ok, thank you guys :)
[13:37] <jimiridge> but unix-like
[13:37] <Maledictus> jimiridge: mac is, they did the certification
[13:37] <Dr_willis> I recall a computer mag - calling it OS-XLinux
[13:37] <Dr_willis> :)
[13:37]  * dwidmann wonders how big the iso is
[13:38] <Maledictus> apple can officially use the trademark UNIX for OS X
[13:38] <jimiridge> that just means it follows the "single unix speciffication"
[13:38] <Maledictus> little bit more I think
[13:38] <jimiridge> its not Unix
[13:39] <Maledictus> but the real problem is all the money one has to spend to get certified. that's not a good investmenr for an opensource project I think
[13:39] <dwidmann> Wow, several isos, hmm, guess I can hold off on it for now
[13:40] <Maledictus> dwidmann: you normally only need the first cd
[13:40] <Maledictus> at least I do
[13:41] <jimiridge> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Single_UNIX_Specification
[13:42] <dwidmann> Maledictus: What's on the second and third CDs though ... and I'm assuming the additional documentation cd would probably be useful ....
[13:43] <Maledictus> docs and additional packages. I only install every few years, so I always do a minimal install and add the rest from packages/ports
[13:44] <Maledictus> over the net
[13:55] <teprrr> hmm, has there been some changes to X lately? which may cause some permission problems?
[13:55] <Shuttle_> repost from #ubuntu:
[13:55] <Shuttle_> has anyone else encountered issues with the live-cd (7.10 AND 8.04) where it boots right after it should fire up x/gdm? when I watch the progress I can see it starting gdm -> blank screen -> reboot. The CD is intact. I also tried usb-boot to no avail. The disc works fine on another machine. hardware is intel with nvidia 7800 gs(?)
[13:55] <Neurostu> Does anybody know what version of gtkglext ships with Hardy?
[13:57] <Neurostu> Anybody know how I can figure out what version of gtkglext and gtkglext-mm ship by default with hardy?
[13:58] <compwiz18> Neurostu: is it here somewhere: http://packages.ubuntu.com/hardy/
[13:58] <Neurostu> ty
[13:58] <compwiz18> np :)
[13:59] <DistroJockey> Neurostu:  1.2.0  I believe
[13:59] <Neurostu> thanks
[14:00] <Neurostu> do you know when gtkglext 1.3 will be supported?
[14:03] <rsk> Neurostu: probably next release
[14:04] <chell> hey
[14:04] <rsk> hey
[14:04] <chell> has anyone had any printing issues on Hardy?
[14:04] <chell> related to margins
[14:04] <chell> on A4
[14:05] <chell> I have an Epson DX4250 attached to a Mac mini (which uses cups)
[14:05] <chell> and when I try to print from the Hardy machine
[14:05] <chell> it screws the margins up
[14:05] <chell> when I print from another OS X machine it works fine
[14:06] <chell> I can also get it to work fine from the hardy machine if I use a special setting in scribus (Set Media Size)
[14:08] <Shuttle_> there's of course the option to fiddle around on the command line, but I'd rather choose the easy way :)
[14:11] <jimiridge> /bin/bash is the easy way Shuttle
[14:12] <Shuttle_> I'd like to test e.g. the soundcard :)
[14:13] <IdleOne> trying to remove a package "poker-web" but getting errors http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/62021/
[14:16] <prana> anyone notice network-manager showing a wired avahi connection while using wireless after last night's updates?
[14:16] <DanaG> That was odd.... I resumed from suspend, and got a blank black screen.
[14:17] <osteenbergen> IdleOne try to install the package again and remove it after installation
[14:17] <DanaG> I then switched to VT 1 and back to VT 7, and Xorg revived..... and I got the login sound!  Strange.
[14:17] <rsk> DanaG: that's the same behaviour i get at bootup
[14:18] <rsk> and login to gnome
[14:18] <IdleOne> osteenbergen: problem is when installing the package it is asking for the password of the database admin ( local )
[14:18] <rsk> http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?p=4563642
[14:18] <DanaG> It was probably the PulseAudio hotplug effect.
[14:18] <DanaG> But I used to not have the black-screen issues.
[14:18] <rsk> same here
[14:18] <prana> also, when resuming suspend g-p-m has a popup that says "Action forbidden: policy timeout is not valid ..."; what policy is it referring to?
[14:19] <osteenbergen> IdleOne: it looks like form your og that he tries to install something into a local MySQL setup.. so if you installed mysql it has a basic admin password.. which makes the file which is missing when you want to remove it
[14:21] <compwiz18> wow, qemu is really slow without that module :P
[14:22] <adinc> i'm getting Unable to locate image file in pixmap_pathÖ "panel.png" since i did an upgrade today, anytime i start a gui app, this error occurse, what can i do against it. where to get panel.png?
[14:23] <IdleOne> so it is not enough that I use sudo to remove this package it then wants another password that I dont know because I let it create a random password when I installed the package. so now I cant remove the package causing a cascade effect making synaptic puke out chunks. GREAT!
[14:23] <mvo> IdleOne: what package is that?
[14:23] <IdleOne> poker-web
[14:24] <KiFka> hello
[14:24] <IdleOne> hello
[14:25] <compwiz18> Hello!
[14:25] <KiFka> i have smth to show
[14:25] <osteenbergen> IdleOne did you see my pm?
[14:25] <KiFka> http://img.wklej.org/v.php?id=78791Screenshot.png
[14:25] <IdleOne> osteenbergen: trying now
[14:25] <KiFka> why there are so many bash and login processes
[14:26] <osteenbergen> Kifka you have 8 users logged in
[14:26] <KiFka> no
[14:26] <rsk> KiFka: one terminal = 1 user
[14:26] <KiFka> im on livecd
[14:26] <mvo> IdleOne: is there a bug open on this it sounds like there should :)
[14:26] <KiFka> only one terminal open
[14:26] <rsk> maybe it counts the virtual terminals also
[14:27] <osteenbergen> well 'top' displays 8 users in the top
[14:27] <IdleOne> mvo: it has something to do with mysql and crap and all I wanted to do was play some poker instead I had to install 17 packages of stuff I know I did not want like apache2 and such
[14:27] <osteenbergen> top displays 3 user here.. 1 root.. myself and my console
[14:28] <IdleOne> osteenbergen: same issue with that command you gave me
[14:28] <osteenbergen> so you have 5 other user programs running something
[14:28] <ali1234> KiFka: 'ps waxf' might be more enlightening
[14:28] <KiFka> wow
[14:28] <KiFka> shall i paste it somewhere?
[14:29] <Shuttle_> either it's gdm or atd that get's it flipping. Disconnecting the 2nd monitor didn't help either.
[14:29] <rsk> why?
[14:29] <osteenbergen> http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/
[14:29] <ali1234> KiFka: http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/
[14:29] <osteenbergen> wierd that there is no paste.ubuntu.org.. only on the dutch site
[14:30] <KiFka> ok
[14:30] <KiFka> there it is http://wklej.org/id/4dd728c562
[14:30] <KiFka> i use a polish one :)
[14:30] <ali1234> virtual terminals
[14:30] <jaffarkelshac> when you install programs from source, and the make install finishes how do you run it, coz it does not appear in any menu
[14:30] <ali1234> hit ctrl-alt-f1 through f6
[14:31] <KiFka> yes
[14:31] <IdleOne> hmm think i got it. not sure what I did but it removed --purge'd
[14:31] <KiFka> you are automaticly logged as root there
[14:31] <ali1234> KiFka: that's where all the extra bash and login processes are coming from
[14:31] <KiFka> oh
[14:31] <IdleOne> wooohoooo kernel upgrade and oo.org also here we go .........................
[14:31] <KiFka> so its normall=
[14:32] <KiFka> ?
[14:32] <osteenbergen> yup
[14:32] <KiFka> ok :)
[14:32] <KiFka> i just was wondering
[14:32] <osteenbergen> but it is smart to change root passwords if the automatically sign in ;)
[14:33] <IdleOne> omg we got a grub update kernel update at the same time
[14:34] <osteenbergen> ?
[14:34] <IdleOne> this is going to be fun
[14:34] <osteenbergen> owh update to 26-14
[14:34] <IdleOne> 'yeah'
[14:35] <bhsx> howdy.... the newest update made my desktop switcher disappear....  how can i get it back?
[14:35] <cvw> So, I'm curious.  I just happened to notice that something was downloaded upgrades in the background *without* affecting package management state.  How did you guys manage to pull that off?
[14:35] <IdleOne> right click on panel and add it again
[14:35] <osteenbergen> add to panel maybe bhsx?
[14:35] <bhsx> it's not there in the choices
[14:36] <osteenbergen> Does anyone have a faulty display of battery information and status with the latest kernel?
[14:36] <osteenbergen> it should be fixed but mine still reports strange values :O
[14:36] <IdleOne> well here goes nothing . hope to be back in a minute
[14:37] <compwiz18> cvw: just a guess, but downloading the packages shouldn't affect the package state as long as you aren't installing them (I realize this isn't how apt works by default, but it could be done I imagine)
[14:37] <compwiz18> so probably the packages are downloaded to the cache, then installed later with user confirmation
[14:37] <compwiz18> I'd guess
[14:37] <cvw> compwiz18: true, but when aptitude, apt-get, or whatever starts to download the files itself, this "other" thing should know to stop too.
[14:38] <bhsx> bah, i swear it used to be called 'desktop-switcher' or somesuch....  it's there... now it's "workspace switcher"... my bad
[14:38] <compwiz18> cvw: true, does it stop?
[14:38] <cvw> compwiz18: no way to tell.
[14:38] <IdleOne> well that was not so bad after all
[14:39] <osteenbergen> if you download with the download only option it doesn't change anything
[14:39] <cvw> compwiz18: I could see aptitude downloading, then I stopped it.  Waited a few minutes, and tried again, and the downloads required was much less, so it definately keeps trying.
[14:39] <osteenbergen> Ahh your back online :P
[14:39] <cvw> osteenbergen: right, but if you use a aptitude it sets a lock file to prevent other package managers from running, correct?
[14:39] <osteenbergen> yup
[14:39] <cvw> That's the default behavior I've seen over the years with Debian.
[14:39] <osteenbergen> and removes the lock if program closes
[14:40] <IdleOne> cvw: synaptic and apt-get do the same
[14:40] <cvw> osteenbergen: aptitude wasn't locked, yet something was downloading the upgrades
[14:40] <osteenbergen> maybe automatic updates ;)
[14:40] <cvw> I'm just curious how it's done.  I think it's great.
[14:41] <osteenbergen> In Software Sources there is an option to download it or install it automaticly
[14:41] <cvw> osteenbergen: yup
[14:41] <cvw> osteenbergen: but what does *that* use to download?  How does it know, without using a package manager, what to download?
[14:41] <cvw> osteenbergen: and without setting a lock file?
[14:41] <ali1234> something weird going on with my test machine. it's fine for about 10 seconds then frozen for about 10 seconds, in a loop. any idea where to even start with trying to find out why?
[14:42] <ali1234> cvw: i would expect it uses the package manager to find out what to download, then closes it down and uses wget to do the actual download.
[14:42] <osteenbergen> dont know i think apt-get
[14:42] <osteenbergen> will check it ^^
[14:43] <cvw> Perhaps this is long existant behavior I just didnt know about and I'm asking the wrong question :/
[14:44] <ali1234> hmm i think it's a problem with synergy, since pressing a key on the local keyboard immediately unfreezes the remote keyboard
[14:46] <savvas> finally, the complete openoffice available :P
[14:47] <cvw> hrm, what's up with this:
[14:47] <cvw> dpkg: error processing /var/cache/apt/archives/linux-source-2.6.24_2.6.24-14.25_all.deb (--unpack): short read in buffer_copy (backend dpkg-deb during `./usr/src/linux-source-2.6.24.tar.bz2')
[14:47] <osteenbergen> just do an update and upgrade again..
[14:48] <cvw> osteenbergen: tried that already
[14:48] <osteenbergen> with a clean?
[14:48] <cvw> now you didn't say that
[14:48] <osteenbergen> sry :P
[14:48] <osteenbergen> maybe just a download error
[14:49] <cvw> Not cleaning, but I did removed the cached file from the archives
[14:49] <cvw> I prefer autoclean
[14:51] <cyclonut> anyone done the latest round of updates?
[14:51] <cyclonut> and if so, am I in for some serious breakage?
[14:51] <wilbert> sudo apt-get update en sudo apt-get upgrade worked for me
[14:52] <cyclonut> I'll say that the upgrade did NOT work for me
[14:52] <cyclonut> but only due to wireless issues
[14:53] <osteenbergen> update worked fine here what problems did you have?
[14:53] <cyclonut> wireless died a solid death
[14:53] <Gilou> 2.6.24 panics on my laptop
[14:53] <Gilou> :p
[14:54] <cvw> cyclonut: that's better than dying a broken death
[14:54] <jaffarkelshac> i keep getting cannot calculate update
[14:54] <cyclonut> I ddint realize that I needed to rmmod b43,b44,ssb,ndiswrapper than modprobe ndiswrapper,b44 to get things working
[14:54] <cvw> cyclonut: you could have rebooted too
[14:55] <cyclonut> cvw: you think I didnt try that?
[14:55] <cyclonut> cvw: come on, now!
[14:55] <cvw> heh
[14:56] <osteenbergen> I just blacklisted my normal wlan drivers and use ndiswrapper :) thats the only one working without regression with every kernel :P
[14:56] <cyclonut> cvw: it is not a matter of rebooting. ssb conflicts with ndiswrapper, and is force-loaded regardless of blacklisting. The only solution is for ndiswrapper to be loaded first, hence the rmmod/modprobe sequence.
[14:56] <cyclonut> that sequence needs to be run @ every boot for me. Everything is blacklisted, too. I've decided the blacklist is pretty darned selective
[14:56] <osteenbergen> if you do sudo rm -f /path/ssd.ko it will not load again ;)
[14:57] <cyclonut> osteenbergen: :-P
[14:57] <cyclonut> osteenbergen: careful, there might be newbies about ;)
[14:57] <osteenbergen> they get an error with unknown path /path ;)
[14:58] <osteenbergen> rm: cannot remove `/path/ssd.ko': No such file or directory
[14:58] <osteenbergen> :O
[14:59] <cyclonut> hah
[15:00] <Gilou> anyone knows how good the "trackerd" is?
[15:01] <Gilou> it's kinda hogging my system to index the files
[15:01]  * Gilou loves locate & updatedb :p
[15:01] <cyclonut> Gilou: its decent, but I got rid of it
[15:01] <osteenbergen> Me 2.. the hogging is horible the first few days ;)
[15:01] <Gilou> I think I will too, though you can pause it "at will", it looks like it's gonna hog a lot :p
[15:02] <Gilou> especially with my small hard drive often plugged to a 100 Mbps line, and file changing a lot :p
[15:02]  * Gilou lets it do its indexing
[15:02] <osteenbergen> trackerd love SVN btw ;)
[15:02] <Gilou> system seems stable on 2.6.20 ..
[15:02] <Gilou> I can't boot 2.6.24 yet, and I can't get a proper output to report
[15:02] <Gilou> 2.6.22 has hiccups with HAL too..
[15:03] <Gilou> osteenbergen> lol it does index svn rep ?
[15:03] <osteenbergen> if its in your home dir it does ;)
[15:03] <Gilou> sounds like a stupid move if it doesn't handle that
[15:03] <Gilou> yeah I have some...
[15:03] <Gilou> pfft
[15:03] <osteenbergen> don't know if they fixed it but it sure was annoying
[15:04] <Gilou> yeah, svn up hop and the thing fires up
[15:04] <Gilou> I think I'm gonna trash it lol :)
[15:04] <Gilou> plus I'm pretty sure it won't be acpi aware
[15:04] <Gilou> though acpi seems broken too here ..
[15:05] <Gilou> I like the way fsck systematically wants to check my 80 GB partition when I'm running on battery...
[15:05] <osteenbergen> i hate acpi for beta kernels.. its only fixed just before the final release
[15:05] <Gilou> yeah I have a HAL bug too
[15:05] <osteenbergen> owh in the 24 kernel it skippes the filecheck on battery
[15:06] <Gilou> but upgrading to HAL 0.5.11 was imho a really bad move from ubuntu maintainers
[15:06] <Gilou> it's bugged as hell
[15:06] <osteenbergen> but the message is "Skipping filecheck, on battery power" and it doesn't fit in the screen of the loader.. :P
[15:06] <J-_> Is anyone having any problems updating?
[15:06] <osteenbergen> if they ha used SKIP it would worked :P
[15:06] <Pici> J-_: not currently.
[15:06] <osteenbergen> No no problems here..
[15:06] <J-_> hmm
[15:07]  * J-_ ponders
[15:07] <osteenbergen> only some bugs that exist still exist :)
[15:07] <osteenbergen> so mostly you will go forward :D
[15:07] <prana> 2.6.24 boots okay for me, and actually suspends properly, on my X40.
[15:07] <osteenbergen> which display driver prana?
[15:07] <Gilou> lol
[15:07] <cyclonut> eeek
[15:07] <Gilou> osteenbergen> I'll check that once 2.6.24 boot properly :)
[15:07] <cyclonut> about to go down for reboot after installing kernel update
[15:08] <osteenbergen> good luck
[15:08] <J-_> weird! The updater was complaining, open up synatic, and the updates are downloading =P
[15:10] <Tu13es> hm, finally got my wired network working in hardy, wifi shows up but won't connect in wicd
[15:10] <Tu13es> any thoughts where to start?
[15:10] <Tu13es> it's in ifconfig
[15:10] <Pici> Why not use n-m?
[15:10] <osteenbergen> hmm wicd haven't tried that for few months
[15:10] <Tu13es> I'm using xfce
[15:11] <osteenbergen> wicd has the option to cancel ;) that alone owns n-m btw :D
[15:12] <Tu13es> it's been pretty good for me in using it the last few weeks
[15:12] <sivel_> is it possible to disable cpu frquency scaling to allow full 100% usage when folding?
[15:12] <osteenbergen> only vpn via wicd is not an option right?
[15:12] <Tu13es> *shrug* I haven't tried VPN yet
[15:12] <compwiz18> osteenbergen: vpn via wicd is being worked on right now :)
[15:12] <osteenbergen> sivel_ i got instructions for that.. wait a moment
[15:13] <Belisarivs> hi all
[15:13] <sivel_> thank you
[15:13] <sivel_> ive tried quite a few thing
[15:13] <Belisarivs> do you also have problems with konqueror-kde4 with webkit?
[15:13] <osteenbergen> sivel_ try: http://wiki.steenbe.nl/?p=26
[15:13] <Belisarivs> It does SIGSEGV to me.
[15:14] <sivel_> thank you, one more q related to this, im at work, and can i issue a command to see what freq the cpu is at ?
[15:14] <sivel_> via ssh?
[15:15] <osteenbergen> uhm yeah you can.. i will  have a look..
[15:15] <savvas> cpufreq-info ?
[15:15] <cyclonut> yay
[15:15] <cyclonut> no breakage, and it boots quicker, too!
[15:16] <savvas> sivel_: sudo apt-get install cpufrequtils and then: cpufreq-info
[15:16] <sivel_> hmm:
[15:16] <sivel_> Failed to fetch http://us.archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/pool/universe/c/cpufrequtils/cpufrequtils_002-5_i386.deb  Size mismatch
[15:17] <osteenbergen> change the sources server to main server for example and try again
[15:18] <wilbert> good 1 osteenbergen
[15:19] <sivel_> cant seem to find/edit that file in /etc
[15:19] <robilive> hello
[15:20] <savvas> sivel_: wget http://fr.archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/pool/universe/c/cpufrequtils/cpufrequtils_002-5_i386.deb; sudo dpkg -i cpufrequtils_002-5_i386.deb
[15:20] <osteenbergen> sivel_: To see your current CPU Freq:
[15:20] <osteenbergen> sudo cat /sys/devices/system/cpu/cpu0/cpufreq/cpuinfo_cur_freq
[15:21] <sivel_> dpkg-deb: `cpufrequtils_002-5_i386.deb' is not a debian format archive
[15:21] <sivel_> dpkg: error processing cpufrequtils_002-5_i386.deb (--install):
[15:21] <sivel_>  subprocess dpkg-deb --control returned error exit status 2
[15:21] <sivel_> Errors were encountered while processing:
[15:21] <sivel_>  cpufrequtils_002-5_i386.deb
[15:21] <savvas> weird
[15:21] <wilbert> worked here
[15:21] <osteenbergen> and then you will get a number with the current Hz the cpu is running at
[15:22] <savvas> sivel_: you might have something broken there: sudo apt-get -f install
[15:22] <savvas> sivel_: osteenbergen 's way is much easier :P
[15:22] <sivel_> the prob is it gives errors
[15:23] <sivel_> dpkg-deb: `cpufrequtils_002-5_i386.deb' is not a debian format archive
[15:23] <sivel_> dpkg: error processing cpufrequtils_002-5_i386.deb (--install):
[15:23] <sivel_>  subprocess dpkg-deb --control returned error exit status 2
[15:23] <sivel_> Errors were encountered while processing:
[15:23] <sivel_>  cpufrequtils_002-5_i386.deb
[15:23] <osteenbergen> sivel_ for what purpose are you installing it?
[15:24] <savvas> I told him to use cpufreq-info
[15:24] <wilbert> to know the frequency of his proc i assume
[15:24] <osteenbergen> sudo cat /sys/devices/system/cpu/cpu0/cpufreq/cpuinfo_cur_freq is much easier ;) no package needed for that :D
[15:24] <sivel_> im currently "folding" proteins, and i have the cpu-scaling app on the desktop at home, but i noticed that i cant seem to change the usage to 100% instead of 50% amd64 3000
[15:25] <sivel_> no such file or directory
[15:25] <osteenbergen> owh maybe you dont have multiple procs..
[15:25] <robilive> I would to "colorize" the bootup in Hardy, I've searched in the wiki but I've look only discussion and howto for breezy and dapper... There is a way to do this in Hardy? Any idea? :D
[15:25] <sivel_> how would i fix that?
[15:25] <osteenbergen> just delete from cpu0 and check what the contents of the cpu folder is
[15:27] <rawb> will it be easier to upgrade to 8.04 LTS from 7.10 or 6.06 LTS (server edition)? i figure 7.10 might be a little better since it already has python 2.5.1 whereas 6.06 has 2.4, so apps that rely on it won't break probably, etc. or will it not matter?
[15:27] <robilive> (PS sorry for my bad english)
[15:28] <Lamego> rawb, both are supported, the better would be a fresh install :P
[15:28] <osteenbergen> rawb: check chat topic aka: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/HardyUpgrades
[15:28] <Lamego> the python version should not matter, the related packages will be upgraded also
[15:29] <osteenbergen> robilive what do you want to colorize?
[15:29] <osteenbergen> the GRUB or the splash?
[15:29] <osteenbergen> or even the GDM
[15:29] <robilive> osteenbergen, the bootup... the "OK" and "Fail" message and if is possible many more
[15:30] <robilive> (is many more???) :D
[15:30] <osteenbergen> aha well those texted are fixed.. but you can have usplash display them in a nicer way
[15:30] <wilbert> for these few seconds
[15:31] <wilbert> why
[15:31] <robilive> I've "nosplash" option :D
[15:31] <osteenbergen> then you are *bliep*
[15:31] <wilbert> lol
[15:32] <robilive> I don't haave idea what "bliep" mean.. Is good or not? :P
[15:32] <osteenbergen> no not so good ;)
[15:32] <robilive> gh :)
[15:33] <osteenbergen> you can show the messages in usplash but you cant add color to them... sry :)
[15:34] <robilive> but I don't have the usplash :)
[15:35] <robilive> sorry, reboot
[15:38] <Jaymac> hardy has killed my mute Fn button
[15:38] <jbroome> any 'gotchas' i should know about before i kick off an apt-get upgrade this AM?
[15:38] <Jaymac> jbroome: it won't let me upgrade, and i don't want to force it :)
[15:39] <Gilou> :p
[15:39] <Gilou> jbroome> hardy kernel fail to boot on my travelmate laptop
[15:39] <Gilou> and I have ACPI & HAL issues that may be related to that
[15:39] <jbroome> gotcha.
[15:40] <Gilou> it boots on the old 2.6.20
[15:40] <Gilou> but I still see kernel oops HAL related
[15:41] <jbroome> i'll hold off 'til i see a new FF beta :)
[15:41] <Gilou> beta5 ?
[15:41] <Gilou> :p
[15:41] <mooboo1> Bruce Schneier doesn't use an IDE, or even a text editor, he uses an AK47 and a punch card.
[15:41]  * Gilou runs it
[15:42] <Jaymac> I press the mute fn key on my vaio laptop, and it mutes for a split-second
[15:42] <Jaymac> and then goes back to normal...
[15:43] <Jaymac> all the other Fn keys work fine
[15:43]  * Gilou tries it
[15:43] <Gilou> it works here, but the gnome mixer applet won't start lol
[15:43] <Gilou> ):
[15:43] <Jaymac> Gilou: you have a Sony Vaio?
[15:43] <Gilou> nah, travelmate
[15:43]  * Gilou is not rich :p
[15:43] <Jaymac> Gilou: oh
[15:43] <Gilou> (Acer)
[15:44] <Jaymac> Gilou: insurance paid for this
[15:44] <Jaymac> :)
[15:44] <Gilou> nice one
[15:44] <Jaymac> Gilou: last laptop broke and this vaio was all the insurance company had available to send out immediately
[15:45] <Gilou> if I do the same here, they are probably going to send me a worse one than mine.. )
[15:46] <mooboo1> AES stands for "Ain't Encryption to Schneier."
[15:46] <Gilou> mooboo1> you're mistaken with Chuck Norris
[15:46] <mooboo1> nowai
[15:46] <Jaymac> is Bruce Schneier the new Chuck Norris?
[15:46] <mooboo1> yes
[15:47] <Jaymac> I've never heard of him
[15:47] <mooboo1> what???+++
[15:47] <nDuff> Jaymac, go turn in your computing license.
[15:47] <Jaymac> Does that earn me a roundhouse kick to the head?
[15:47] <orvokki> Me neither, really. This might be more of an #ubuntu-offtopic matter though.
[15:47] <mooboo1> http://geekz.co.uk/schneierfacts/fact/26
[15:47] <mooboo1> nDuff, word!
[15:48] <Gilou> Schneier isn't "that" impressive anyway
[15:48] <Jaymac> I'm not A Merkin, which might explain my ignorance :)
[15:49] <jbroome> i'm not a pubic wig either
[15:49] <mooboo1> merkin?
[15:50] <Jaymac> A merkin is a pubic wig, but it is also how Mr Bush pronounces "American"
[15:50] <gluko> i've got a problem with hardy on an amd64 processor (installed with wubi). after the loading screen i get a black screen. i started it in safe mode, but i got errors claiming it's a read only system.
[15:50] <gluko> sorry, I'm german, my english is no good
[15:51] <nikrud> gluko #ubuntu+1 is handling hardy questions till release
[15:51] <orvokki> nikrud: This is #ubuntu+1...
[15:51]  * nikrud looks around
[15:51] <nikrud> :)
[15:51] <tigerstein> :D
[15:51] <nikrud> dang autojoin left me in the wrong place
[15:51] <gluko> ;)
[15:51] <evand> gluko: is this by any chance in VMWare?
[15:52] <evand> or another virtual machine product
[15:52] <gluko> no
[15:52] <wangfg-x31> how to use suspend to disk and resume, hibernate works, but cannot resume from disk...
[15:52] <gluko> i installed it with wubi
[15:52] <Jaymac> wangfg-x31: afraid that is still prety much hit and miss
[15:52] <evand> right, I mean are you running Windows in a VM
[15:52] <orvokki> Never used wubi myself.
[15:52] <Jaymac> pretty*
[15:52] <evand> gluko: ^
[15:52] <gluko> no i don't
[15:52] <nikrud> wangfg-x31 /var/log/syslog should have some info about what's failing (if it gets that far)
[15:52] <gluko> properly installed windows
[15:52] <Jaymac> evand: that would be some pretty hardcore emulation :)
[15:53] <Jaymac> ubuntu in windows in ubuntu
[15:53] <Jaymac> sorry, virtualisation*
[15:53] <Lamego> wubi is not ubuntu in windows, it's just ubuntu in ntfs
[15:53] <evand> gluko: ok, please file a bug at http://launchpad.net/wubi/+filebug.  If you could post a picture of the errors, or even better if you a have a null modem cable and a serial port, we can show you how to gather full logs through that.
[15:53] <evand> Jaymac: I do it all the time to test :)
[15:54] <Jaymac> evand: Heh, if I had a Windows licence I might be tempted
[15:54]  * gluko searchs his digi cam
[15:55] <gluko> okay, i will reboot and take some pictures
[15:56] <happy-sufferer> My computer had Ubuntu 7.04 Gnome intially, but to get something working, I had to try out Xubuntu 8.04 Beta install. But now I have fixed the problem I faced and would like to remove Xubuntu completely. When I had Xubuntu 8.04 installed, I chose the "guided partitioning", wherein Xubuntu was put on a separate partition on the hard drive, without touching the Ubuntu 7.10 files.  How do I completely remove Xubuntu 8.04 and give ba
[16:03] <ReL1K> anyone experiencing any major issues updating from gutsy to hardy?
[16:05] <robilive> I've changed the color of "OK" message on bootup in hardy (whitout splashscreen) :) Thank you :D
[16:06] <macogw> ReL1K: gnome-settings-daemon is broken
[16:07] <ReL1K> k
[16:07] <magnetron> ok, will hardy be released in 3 months?
[16:07] <Jaymac> 3 weeks
[16:08] <rsk> oh my
[16:08] <macogw> 24th
[16:09] <Jaymac> bah my laptop screen keeps flickering with hardy as well - most annoying
[16:09] <bhsx> hey, can anyone help me get my Brother MFC-3420c installed?  I installed the LPD .deb but the PPD isntall says ".../cups/model/brmfc3420c_cups.ppd: No such file or directory."  I made the dir 'model' but it still wont install... any ideas?
[16:12] <Jaymac> Just to double check, I take it other people are getting this message when running update-manager today?
[16:12] <Jaymac> Could not calculate the upgrade
[16:12] <Jaymac> A unresolvable problem occurred while calculating the upgrade.
[16:12] <Jaymac>  This can be caused by:
[16:12] <Jaymac>  * Upgrading to a pre-release version of Ubuntu
[16:12] <Jaymac>  * Running the current pre-release version of Ubuntu
[16:12] <Jaymac>  * Unofficial software packages not provided by Ubuntu
[16:12] <Jaymac> This is most likely a transient problem, please try again later.
[16:13] <Gringo_> will FF3 be in the final release of Hardy?
[16:13] <rsk> Gringo_: nobody knows
[16:13] <Gringo_> 'cause i just read FF3 won't be final until june
[16:13] <Pici> Jaymac: Please don't flood, use a pastebin.
[16:13] <Lamego> so, you have your own answer :P
[16:13] <Jaymac> Pici: that is hardly a flood in a barely active channel; I know all about pastebin.
[16:13] <Pici> Jaymac: Then you should be using pastebin.
[16:14] <Pici> Gringo_: The default browser in Hardy currently is the FF3 beta
[16:14] <rsk> FF3 beta 4
[16:14] <macogw> is there a way to get g-s-d working or should i just downgrade it?
[16:14] <rsk> and 5 just came out
[16:14] <Gringo_> rsk: what happens if I upgrade to hardy now? will i get the correct updates automatically later this month when hardy is released?
[16:14] <rsk> after beta 5 there will be rc's
[16:14] <Pici> !final | Gringo_
[16:14] <ubotu> Gringo_: If you installed a Alpha/Beta/RC version of Ubuntu 8.04 (Hardy Heron) and have been keeping it up to date, then you are already running the latest version of Hardy. To make sure, type « sudo apt-get update && sudo apt-get dist-upgrade » in a console.
[16:14] <rsk> Gringo_: um well.. yes
[16:15] <Jaymac> I'd imagine FF3 will make it into 8.04.1
[16:15] <Gringo_> and if FF3 isn't in that release, it will be downgraded somehow? :)
[16:15] <rsk> Gringo_: um... what?
[16:16] <Lamego> gribelu, FF3 beta is provided on this release
[16:16] <Gringo_> just a detail really, but what if Firefox 3 isn't in the final release of Hardy, and i'm running Hardy beta with Firefox 3
[16:16] <Gringo_> will it be downgraded by the updates?
[16:16] <Jaymac> Gringo_: Firefox 3 is in Hardy, as the default, in its beta state
[16:16] <macogw> hey figured out why no intel wireless on -13.  There's no linux-ubuntu-modules for -13.  The last one was for -12.  This is problematic.
[16:17] <Gringo_> Jaymac: yes it is, but Hardy will be released later this month, much before FF3 will be final
[16:18] <Gringo_> and Hardy is a LTS release, so FF3 will prolly not be in it
[16:18] <Jaymac> Gringo_: I'd say it is unlikely that FF will be downgraded back to V2
[16:18] <Jaymac> The devs knew the projected release date of FF3 when they included it in Hardy#
[16:18] <rsk> Gringo_: ff2 isnt supported in 3 years. afaik
[16:18] <Gringo_> i see
[16:18] <IdleOne> Gringo_: so that means because it is a LTS they will have more time to work on FF3
[16:19] <rsk> Gringo_: imo it would be smarter to go with firefox 3rc2 or something
[16:20] <Gringo_> i'm curious then: what exactly does LTS mean? does it mean that the released ISO itself will be supported for 3 years?
[16:20] <rsk> long term support
[16:20] <Gringo_> or that the released ISO + updates from the internet will be supported (internet connection required)
[16:20] <rsk> not the iso
[16:20] <rsk> you can get ubuntu in several other ways
[16:20] <rsk> and yes it requires internet connection or offline updates
[16:21] <rsk> to be updated
[16:21] <Gringo_> ah
[16:21] <Lamego> Gringo_, it means the software packages will get security updates during the LTS time
[16:21] <Gringo_> so FF3 could easily be updated to the final version in June
[16:21] <rsk> anytime
[16:21] <Gringo_> in that case it's indeed a better idea to simply include ff3
[16:22] <Gringo_> I think i'll just update to Hardy today then... any reason why i shouldn't go to amd64?
[16:23] <rsk> um sure
[16:23] <rsk> flash isn't supported
[16:23] <rsk> java?
[16:23] <Gringo_> precompiled binaries (propriatary) don't always work
[16:23] <rsk> lots of things needs extra configuration to get working
[16:23] <Gringo_> flash doesn't work at all in a;d64?
[16:23] <rsk> not native
[16:23] <Gringo_> okay, i386 it is :)
[16:24] <Gringo_> i need java too, and the nvidia drivers
[16:24] <rsk> nvidia drivers have x32_64 afaik
[16:25] <macogw> Gringo_: gnome-settings-daemon doesnt work today
[16:25] <macogw> and there's no linux-ubuntu-modules for the current kernel
[16:25] <macogw> or linux-restricted-modules
[16:26] <Gringo_> is amd64 noticably faster? or is it only downsides? :)
[16:26] <mooboo1> when i had update yesterday, new kernel, it didnt get graphics :( but today i ran apt-get update from console (not X), and then i updated it, so it worked
[16:26] <mooboo1> but noob cant fix this, only eliete hacker like my
[16:27] <macogw> mooboo1: hahah there was no l-r-m yesterday
[16:27] <macogw> there's still no l-u-m
[16:27] <Lamego> flash and java, both work on amd64
[16:27] <plurt> hi, how can I get the list of updates available in commandline?
[16:27] <rsk> plurt: sudo apt-get update
[16:28] <plurt> that doesn't seem to give a list of updates to be installed on my system sepcifically does it?
[16:28] <rsk> it does ?
[16:28] <rsk> er... upgrade
[16:29] <WGGMk> has anyone else run into a problem with GFX Grub? I follow the steps to install and receive "graphics file missing"
[16:29] <plurt> upgrade installs them all at once?
[16:29] <rsk> plurt: no
[16:29] <mvo> the "can not calculate upgrade" message is know and only a trainsient issue, it should be all good again tomorow
[16:29] <rsk> plurt: it ask for what updates to be installed and you select /yes/no
[16:30] <Gringo_> rsk: according to this: http://grumpymole.blogspot.com/2008/03/ubuntu-hardy-heron-beta-amd64.html
[16:30] <Gringo_> flash works without hassle on amd64 hardy
[16:30] <plurt> there seems no way to select them at all
[16:30] <gluko> you mentioned another method (something with a modem?) instead of taking pictures of the error at startup (i am the one with the wubi hardy problem)
[16:31] <rsk> wow nice
[16:31] <Lamego> gluko, null cable modem
[16:31] <rsk> plurt: just look at the list and apt-get upgrade package1 package2
[16:31] <Gilou> null modem cable
[16:31] <Gilou> :p
[16:32] <Lamego> ops :P
[16:32] <gluko> mmh i don't think i've got one...
[16:33] <Gilou> u can also try to output them in the log
[16:33] <Gilou> gluko> does your kernel hang completely (aka panic)?
[16:33] <gluko> can't do anything
[16:33] <gluko> so i guess yes
[16:33] <gluko> ^^
[16:34] <Gilou> do the leds blink?
[16:34] <Gilou> https://help.ubuntu.com/community/DebuggingSystemCrash
[16:35] <uniscript> any reason why all the letters in my default application font (for gnome)are sans but the digits are serif?
[16:35] <gluko> would it help if i run the memtest?
[16:36] <Gilou> the memtest will tell you if it's a RAM problem
[16:37] <macogw> can someone do an apt search for linux-ubuntu-modules
[16:37] <macogw> am i crazy or is there not one for -13?
[16:38] <gluko> i'll follow the steps of the link
[16:40] <Jaymac> is sending files from a mobile phone to a pc still not enabled by default in hardy?  i keep getting fail messages (i've checked the "Receive Files from Remote Devices" box in the bluetooth preferences)
[16:41] <recon69> hi all, just wanted to ask about glx , gnome-setting-demon , seem you can have one or the other but not both. should I just wait and see if it gets fixed?
[16:42] <uniscript> are other people seeing serif digits with sans serif fonts in gnome apps?
[16:44]  * Gilou has to get some nerve to try to debunk the kernel bug..
[16:46] <linkinxp> guys! good morning!
[16:46] <linkinxp> i have a question how i control Vista from ubuntu ( what packages do i need)
[16:47] <Jaymac> linkinxp: what do you mean by "control" Vista?
[16:47] <volkodav> hehe
[16:47] <Lamego> linkinxp, you mean remote desktop ?
[16:48] <linkinxp> Lamego,  yes
[16:48] <linkinxp> remote desktop
[16:49] <Jaymac> linkinxp: well the ubuntu packages are installed by default - you probably need to enable remote administration on the Vista computer though
[16:49] <Lamego> linkinxp, you need to install the rdesktop
[16:49] <Lamego> ops, default installed
[16:49] <linkinxp> ok!
[16:49] <Jaymac> linkinxp: Applications > Internet > Remote Desktop Viewer
[16:49] <linkinxp> nothing else! like any protocol or something like that
[16:49] <linkinxp> :D
[16:49] <linkinxp> Jaymac,  put ip and thatss it?
[16:50] <Jaymac> linkinxp: assuming your vista machine allows remote administration
[16:50] <linkinxp> Jaymac,  do u know which port does vista use ?
[16:50] <linkinxp> Jaymac,  yes
[16:50] <Jaymac> linkinxp: go for it
[16:50] <Rotlaus> Since the change from the  2.6.24-12-generic to the  2.6.24-12-386 and now with the  2.6.24-13-386 my sound doesn't work anymore. Is this a known problem or should i report it anywhere? And how can ifix it?
[16:50] <linkinxp> ill see
[16:52] <recon61> anyone know why Nexuiz  wont run in full screen mode?
[16:55] <Melch> anyone  still having a problem upgrading
[16:55] <gilster32> anyone here have any experience with DVD-RAM discs
[16:55] <gilster32> ?
[16:55] <wangfg-x31> ls
[16:55] <Blues-Man> hello
[16:55] <Blues-Man> i ve put wireless-linux 2.6 kernel on my kubuntu 8 and I can't mount any drive automatically anymore :/ what's wrong?
[16:55] <Melch> is everyone having have a problem upgrading?
[16:56] <Jaymac> Melch: yeah I'm getting told to do a partial upgrade then getting an error before it stats
[16:56] <Jaymac> starts*
[16:56] <Melch> is it an error about the kernel?
[16:57] <Jaymac> A unresolvable problem occurred while calculating the upgrade.
[16:57] <recon61> Blues-Man: check your fstab and the drive names, they changed when i updated from hda to sda ect
[16:57] <Melch> we can't the only ones with this problem
[16:58] <Melch> is anyone else getting a problem upgrading?
[16:58] <scobby> hi all
[16:58] <Melch> scobby are you having a problem upgrading
[16:58] <scobby> i have hardy installed, workes fine, but firefox 3.0 is in english locales de_DE are installed
[16:59] <recon61> Blues-Man: ie the drives in fstab stayed as hda while the device names changed to sda, hope this helps
[16:59] <scobby> Melch: what do you mean?
[16:59] <Blues-Man> recon61, in fstab I had hash instead of /dev/sda5 for example
[16:59] <Melch> never mind
[16:59] <Blues-Man> *have
[16:59] <Blues-Man> but there are only the root and the swap
[16:59] <Melch> anyone having problem upgrading
[16:59] <Blues-Man> also before with the old kernel
[17:00] <Blues-Man> I have this hash UUID=b78697df-0ad5-414c-b96f-72ad6d10c51b instead of /dev/sda5
[17:00] <gilster32> so no one knows DVD-RAM discs. the old pioneer thing?
[17:00] <recon61> Blues-Man: probably something else then , the uuid's are correct
[17:00] <Gilou> Blues-Man> it's like that since feisty
[17:00] <Gilou> or even edgy :p
[17:00] <Gilou> ls /dev/disks/by-uuid -l
[17:00] <Blues-Man> yes but before it worked for other drive
[17:00] <Pedantic-Steve> man, update is going slooooooow.  must be lots of people downloading them
[17:01] <Gilou> will tell you about them
[17:01] <Jaymac> Gilou: edgy :)
[17:01] <Melch> you can upgrade?
[17:01] <Blues-Man> even if there weren't in fstab
[17:01] <Melch> I can't update my kernel
[17:01] <plurt> what's the easiest way to boot in a fully functional commandline system?
[17:01] <Gilou> ok trackerd wasn't able to index all my files in 3 hours
[17:01] <Blues-Man> now with new kernel I can't mount automatically pen drive
[17:01] <Gilou> I think it's gonna meet the trashcan :)
[17:01] <Jaymac> Melch: that is probably not a bad thing - if there is a problem you don't want to download it :)
[17:01] <Blues-Man> hald is working
[17:01] <Jaymac> i am sure i tiwll get fixed
[17:02] <Pedantic-Steve> is there a problem with the updates that are out today? should I not update?
[17:02] <scobby> anyone know why locales dont work in firefox on hardy??
[17:02] <iiinc> Hi, no compiz drop shadows on AMD64 in hardy... Is there a way to get them back?
[17:03] <Blues-Man> Gilou, with that command I see my drives, so have I to add to fstab to have mounted automatically at start?
[17:03] <dwidmann> and now to time how long it takes to build a kernel with the new comp :)
[17:03] <Gilou> you have to check fstab has the good partitions
[17:03] <Blues-Man> right now fstab has only 2 entries
[17:03] <Blues-Man> one is for my root
[17:03] <Blues-Man> and one for the swap
[17:04] <Pedantic-Steve> anyone here can tell me if I should avoid updating at this time?  before my download completes??
[17:04] <Gilou> and this is wrong?
[17:04] <phaidros> hi, gdmgreeter seems to be broken :/
[17:04] <Gilou> ah new linux image
[17:04] <Gilou> let's have fun :)
[17:04] <Blues-Man> Gilou, no but with this kernel change I can't mount drives by Media in Konqueror
[17:04] <Blues-Man> i wonder why
[17:04] <Blues-Man> even this the pendrive
[17:04] <Gilou> hal fuck up? :p
[17:04] <Blues-Man> i can't see anymore the new drive win
[17:05] <Gilou> can you mount them using mount ?
[17:05] <Blues-Man> yes
[17:05] <Gilou> so it's either a HAL or konqueror fuck up
[17:05] <Blues-Man> hal is running
[17:05] <iiinc> phaidros: Fix is "sudo cp /usr/share/themes/Human/gtk-2.0/gtkrc /usr/share/themes/Human/gtk-2.0/gtkrc.en"
[17:05] <Blues-Man> i launched also hald again
[17:06] <Blues-Man> but cannot mount automatically pendrives anymore :/
[17:06]  * Gilou prays for the new kernel to bring him the truth
[17:06] <Blues-Man> :)
[17:06] <Gilou> Blues-Man> check if there are some error message
[17:07]  * Gilou reboots
[17:07]  * Gilou hopes, prays, believes
[17:08] <phaidros> thx iiinc :)
[17:09]  * Gilou waits for the leds to blink
[17:09] <Gilou> wow! it boots!
[17:09] <Gilou> WOOHOO! :)
[17:09] <phaidros> congrats!
[17:09] <Gilou> let's wait for hal to start
[17:09] <Gilou> :)
[17:09] <Gilou> aaaaaah
[17:09] <Gilou> hal still coughs
[17:09] <Gilou> too bad, I believed.
[17:09] <Gilou> well at least I may be able to report something :)
[17:09] <Oli``> Is there a process for requesting a package is updated to its latest version?
[17:10] <Jaymac> Oli``: beg the backports people
[17:11] <Gilou> aaaaand a kernel panic
[17:11] <phaidros> not nice
[17:12] <Gilou> yeah but it might have logged something
[17:12] <Gilou> so I may be able to report it
[17:13] <iiinc> does no one know how I can get my drop shadows back?
[17:14] <crdlb> iiinc: using gtk-window-decorator?
[17:14] <iiinc> Installed Hardy and they're gone, ccsm doesn't seem to have the option... Yes, gnome-window-decorator
[17:15] <crdlb> not even on decorated windows?
[17:15] <iiinc> nothing
[17:15] <iiinc> flat
[17:15] <iiinc> wobbly windows work perfectly
[17:15] <iiinc> all effects work
[17:15] <iiinc> just no shadows by default, on a clean install
[17:16] <Who_> Anyone here with wubi experience?
[17:17] <iiinc> nvidia driver and fresh kernel as of this morning
[17:18] <evand> Who_: whatever you prefer, but I think SUB should be sufficient.
[17:19] <Who_> evand: thanks.
[17:19] <Who_> evand: so it definitely isn't likely to be going anywhere fun?
[17:20] <evand> Who_: no problem.  Much appreciated if you file a bug so we can track the issue. http://launchpad.net/wubi/+filebug .
[17:20] <Who_> evand: I will if the logs look helpful - cos right now my bug report would look like: got a long way, showed a desktop. Swapped for the rest of the day :P
[17:21] <evand> Who_: indeed :)
[17:21] <Who_> by desktop I mean image, no icons...
[17:21] <Who_> hmm
[17:21] <matti_> does anyone know of a good howto on how to get a lcd 40" tv to work? i have installed nvidia drivers and nvtv but it doest seem to help, i cant get any picture on my tv :/
[17:21] <Who_> after RSEI dropped me to a normal shell things are happier
[17:22] <happy-sufferer> hello, should i get the desktop cd or the alternate install CD?
[17:22] <Who_> evand: I have got a ubuntu@ubuntu:~$ pompt now.
[17:22] <happy-sufferer> Hwo can I decide?
[17:23] <cyclonuts> does anyone know a way to install imagemagick q8 version with apt?
[17:23] <Who_> evand: is there anything I can do to finsih of the install so I don't have to give up on wubi and use UNetBootIn?
[17:23] <Who_> evand: or at least get more useful diagnostic info?
[17:24] <recon61> happy-sufferer: as far as i know the alternate CD is for low ram machines < 256mb
[17:24] <akk> happy-sufferer: Probably depends on your machine -- if it's modern and has no unusual hardware, the regular live CD might be best
[17:24] <recon61> opps thats less that 512MB
[17:24] <evand> Who_: yes, hit escape when you see the grub countdown and enable verbose mode.
[17:25] <uniscript> also use alternate if you want encrypted root
[17:25] <Who_> evand: I was in verbose mode when it died - I did that anyway to watch (not that I didn't have confidence, or anything :P)
[17:25] <happy-sufferer> akk: mine is 4 years old
[17:25] <happy-sufferer> AMD Athlon(tm) 64 Processor 3800+
[17:25] <happy-sufferer> 1 Gig hz. 1 gig ram
[17:26] <akk> happy-sufferer: If you have a fast net connection, try live first anyway -- it might work. If it doesn't, there's always the alternate.
[17:26] <Who_> evand: but I haven't restarted, I just did RSEI and am at a command prompt - with user ubuntu - so on the install image at the moment. Can I finish off the install in a text mode, or does the live cd image not even have that on it?
[17:26] <recon61> happy-sufferer: far as i know the only difference is the alternate does not use a GUI when installing to save memory
[17:27] <evand> Who_: that will pass the debug flag to the installer which will write a more verbose log to /var/log/installer/debug in addition to writing to /var/log/syslog.  If you can somehow get those off the CD (copy to /host), they'll most likely be helpful in determining what's going wrong.  The ubiquity section of the output of ps auxf might also give us clues.
[17:27] <Melch> So when can i update my kernel
[17:27] <evand> Who_: well, you could try running `ubiquity noninteractive`
[17:28] <evand> I make no guarantees though :)
[17:28] <Belisarivs> Hi
[17:28] <Who_> evand: even though this is in wubi-world?
[17:29] <evand> Who_: just to clarify, you've run the wubi executable and rebooted from windows into an installer environment, correct?
[17:29] <Who_> evand: yea - I have.
[17:30] <jepler> can someone tell me whether iwl3945 or ipw3945 will be used by default in Hardy?
[17:30] <evand> ok, then yes, ubiquity noninteractive will probably work (though admittedly I've never tried it with a wubi preseed before)
[17:30] <Belisarivs> I spotted significant slowdown of compiz after upgrade to HH. In GG I could use even water effects without problems and now I cannot use compiz at all. I use intel GMA950 graphic card. Nothing particularly spectacular, but had no problems with Compiz.
[17:30] <iiinc> jepler: iwl3945
[17:30] <ba5e> how quick does your hardy boot? have you used bootchart to time?
[17:30] <evand> Who_: usual rules apply, if this is an important system, please for the love of everything, back up first.
[17:30] <Belisarivs> Should I report it?
[17:30] <jepler> iiinc: thanks
[17:30] <Who_> evand: fails due to dbus
[17:30] <ba5e> mine is real slow
[17:31] <Who_> evand: could hardly be less important - only concern is that installing _anything_ if I loose XP will be hard because I have no CDRom drive...
[17:31] <Belisarivs> jepler: be warned, signal led doesn't work with ewl. Otherwise it works fine.
[17:31] <jepler> Belisarivs: yes I saw those bugs in launchpad while I was trying to figure out which was default
[17:31] <jepler> iwl3945 is not a "restricted driver", correct?
[17:32] <iiinc> jepler, unsure of its status
[17:32] <Belisarivs> I think it is. Firmware must be installed still.
[17:32] <Belisarivs> And that is non GPL
[17:32] <iiinc> the driver itself is GPL though
[17:32] <iiinc> you just can't use it without the blob
[17:32] <Belisarivs> exactly
[17:32] <iiinc> bleah
[17:33] <iiinc> stupid imaginary property
[17:33] <jepler> yeah, well
[17:33] <jepler> looks like iwl3945.ko comes from linux-ubuntu-modules, not linux-restricted-modules
[17:33] <evand> Who_: ah, yeah, hal-lock needs that.  Try sudo /usr/lib/ubiquity/bin/ubiquity noninteractive
[17:33] <h3sp4wn> Firmware is different
[17:33] <Belisarivs> Anybody, did you make suspend to disc work in HH on HP530?
[17:34] <iiinc> http://intellinuxwireless.org/
[17:34] <h3sp4wn> Its not a blob as it runs on the card not on the host
[17:35] <spiderfire> anyone done a custom livecd before? is it supposed to say failed to read /proc stuff, creating empty file?
[17:35] <Who_> evand: better so far. hard disk spinning, and all that :)
[17:35] <mlalkaka> Will the final release of Hardy Heron come with the final release of Firefox 3?
[17:35] <h3sp4wn> spiderfire: Didn't for me
[17:35] <evand> heh
[17:35] <iiinc> Who cares, use Epiphany :D
[17:36]  * iiinc is being facetious
[17:36] <Belisarivs> Epiphany with webkit. Yeah.
[17:36] <spiderfire> h3sp4wn: what i do wrong?
[17:36] <mlalkaka> yeah i ought to try epiphany
[17:36] <uniscript> is firefox crashing for people?
[17:36] <iiinc> THe only thing I miss is the FF3 'awesomebar'
[17:37] <Who_> iiinc: which is so well named :P
[17:37] <mlalkaka> so what's the advantage of epiphany?
[17:37] <iiinc> Epiphany's bookmark system is so great
[17:37] <iiinc> you just tag things, and it organizes them into folders for you
[17:37] <iiinc> nested folders
[17:37] <Who_> iiinc: it does 'smart keywords' like firefox?
[17:38] <Stormx2> Meh
[17:38] <Stormx2> I'd use epiphany if I could load firefox extensions into it
[17:38] <Stormx2> and it had proper tabbing.
[17:38] <iiinc> It does smart bookmarks with a plugin, and any non-url thing you type into the location bar takes you to google
[17:38] <jepler> mlalkaka: I think the final release of Mozilla 3 is well after the release of LTS -- June according to http://blog.wired.com/monkeybites/2008/03/mozilla-final-v.html
[17:38] <iiinc> tabbing's fine :D
[17:38] <Stormx2> it opens new windows all the time
[17:38] <Stormx2> even if I tell it not to.
[17:38] <Stormx2> therefore it is not fine ;_;
[17:38] <iiinc> Not for me it doesn't.
[17:38] <plurt> how do I quit gnome and go to commandline without much hussle?
[17:39] <iiinc> Are they flash popups?
[17:39] <Stormx2> plurt, ctrl + alt + f1?
[17:39] <jepler> plurt: type ctrl-alt-f1 to get to a pure text terminal
[17:39] <jepler> ctrl-alt-f7 (or maybe some other key) to get back to graphical
[17:39] <Stormx2> ctrl + alt + f7 to get back
[17:39] <plurt> does it kill gnome?
[17:39] <Stormx2> No
[17:39] <Stormx2> It just puts you in another tty.
[17:39] <jepler> no, it leaves the graphical interface running
[17:39] <plurt> hrm
[17:39] <Stormx2> plurt, why do you want to quit gnome entirely?
[17:39] <plurt> human-theme doesn't want to upgrade
[17:40] <plurt> and I don't want to reboot
[17:40] <akk> plurt: Kill gdm (or remove the gdm package, if you want to do that all the time).
[17:40] <Who_> plurt:ctrl+alt+backspace kills all X stuff for me...
[17:41] <Stormx2> And restarts it, yeah
[17:41] <Who_> plurt:but it is violent!
[17:41] <jepler> plurt: 'sudo /etc/init.d/gdm stop' will stop the GUI, 'sudo /etc/init.d/gdm stop' will restart it
[17:41] <plurt> and that doesn't bring you back to a graphical login?
[17:41] <Stormx2> It does. Cause it just restarts X.
[17:41] <akk> plurt: gdm is the thing that's restarting X and giving you the graphical login, so killing it will get you back to a text console.
[17:41] <jepler> but without the specific error message, I suspect that this is unrelated to upgrading a package using the package manager or 'apt-get' at the commandline
[17:41] <plurt> I tried yesterday night and whatever I did, always the graphical login
[17:41] <Stormx2> What's wrong with Ctrl + Alt + F1 eh?
[17:42] <plurt> I don't want to boot in save mode because I want to keep my connection alive
[17:42] <jepler> how are you trying to upgrade?  what error is displayed?
[17:42] <Stormx2> Does it do nothing?
[17:42] <Stormx2> or what?
[17:42] <plurt> sudo apt-get upgrade
[17:42] <Stormx2> use dist-upgrade :)
[17:42] <plurt> Errors were encountered while processing: /var/cache/apt/archives/human-theme_0.14_all.deb
[17:43] <plurt> E: Sub-process /usr/bin/dpkg returned an error code (1)
[17:43] <Stormx2> you can fix broken packages with dpkg, but I can't remember exactly how.
[17:43] <akk> It doesn't say what errors?
[17:43] <Stormx2> plurt, so why can't you use gnome?
[17:43] <Stormx2> it should just revert to gtk1 if there's a problem with the theme.
[17:43] <iiinc> fix broken packages: apt-get -f install
[17:44] <iiinc> if the setup process was interrupted dpkg --configure -a
[17:44] <jepler> if you have a reason to believe the downloaded .deb file might be damaged, sudo rm it.
[17:45] <plurt> didn't want to mess with themes and x and all, just kill - install - restart
[17:45] <plurt> thought that would be easier
[17:45] <plurt> can't see why it should be such a problem
[17:46] <jepler> I can't see why you think this problem results from having the graphical interface running.
[17:46] <Stormx2> It isn't a problem :/
[17:46] <plurt> how do I stop gdm from restarting temporarily?
[17:46] <Stormx2> plurt, you've already been told :/
[17:46] <plurt> I see
[17:46] <plurt> valid point
[17:46] <plurt> :)
[17:46] <Stormx2> sudo /etc/init.d/gdm stop
[17:46] <Stormx2> or ctrl + alt + f1
[17:46] <Stormx2> or just use gnome.
[17:47] <Stormx2> it _should_ work and I don't know why you're avoiding it.
[17:47] <Stormx2> If it works, great, fix it. Otherwise use command line through ctrl + alt + f1
[17:47] <plurt> :)
[17:49] <meilon> Hi!
[17:49] <meilon> how can I make compiz start emerald as decorator?
[17:51] <Ayabara> which repos will FF beta 5 appear in? I don't have to enable backports and stuff to get it?
[17:53] <Unksi> Ayabara: there is no backports for hardy in the development stage, there is no need for them yet
[17:55] <jepler> oh look, 200+ megs of updates to download
[17:56] <happy-sufferer> recon61: to save memory during install OR after ?
[17:59] <Ayabara> Unksi: ok. so I will get it through my "regular" updates soon?
[17:59] <Unksi> yes
[17:59] <Unksi> today or tomorrow, i would guess
[17:59] <Unksi> it wasnt yet as i updated 30 minutes ago
[18:01] <Ayabara> great
[18:05] <gluko> hi
[18:05] <gluko> i've taken some pictures now
[18:06] <gluko> from demsg | less
[18:16] <evand> gluko: great, can you create a bug report on http://launchpad.net/wubi/+filebug and add them as attachments?
[18:19] <graft> is anyone else having checksum issues with their repository mirror?
[18:20] <tyler_d> wow
[18:20] <tyler_d> hello room
[18:21] <graft> pretty silent here
[18:21] <Who_> evand: I've got to go out so can't tell you final success/fail but if ubiquity has just had 1000% success (that's not a typo:P) with configuring the hardware - so it looks good. So thanks! Is there anything special I need to do to make the wubi system happen after ubiquity exits?
[18:21] <Who_> evand: spurious 'if' after but in first line - sorry
[18:22] <evand> Who_: yeah, the progress percent is a little wonky when in automatic mode.  And no, a simple 'reboot' should do it.
[18:22] <Who_> evand: Thanks a lot.
[18:23] <ogre> any news on HAL?
[18:23] <ogre> my install is currently busted and im on live disk
[18:23] <evand> Who_: you're welcome.
[18:24] <Who_> evand: oh - shall I still report a bug - or is this a pretty clear case of 'not enough memory'?
[18:25] <pvandewyngaerde> how do i install silverlight ?
[18:26] <IdleOne> silverlight? isnt that the windows java thing
[18:26] <insomninja> more like flash
[18:27] <ogre> anyone recently update and have HAL not work? I have no panels when it boots sometimes no wallpaper. also said it couldnt launch nautilus because of bonobo. just curious
[18:27] <evand> Who_: I've made a note to check the system requirements against Wubi, so I don't think a bug report is necessary anymore.
[18:27] <IdleOne> pvandewyngaerde: doubt that microsoft has open the souce on that
[18:27] <IdleOne> source
[18:27] <Who_> pvandewyngaerde: you can't - but you can use moonlight - I don't know much about it though
[18:27] <pvandewyngaerde> IdleOne: indeed, many sites require it now
[18:27] <b47619> where exactly is the Trahs located?
[18:27] <b47619> Trash*
[18:28] <IdleOne> pvandewyngaerde: then perhaps you need to look for sites and companies that are not slaves to Monopolies
[18:28] <ogre> b47619:  should be on yr panel
[18:28] <b47619> I use KDE 4
[18:28] <IdleOne>    /.Trash
[18:29] <b47619> ok
[18:29] <ogre> well i guess ill try screwing with it myself :/
[18:30] <IdleOne> pvandewyngaerde: http://www.mono-project.com/Moonlight check this out
[18:30] <b47619> I can't find the trash folder in Dolphin...
[18:30] <Who_> pvandewyngaerde, IdleOne: moonlight has had some MS support in getting it working
[18:30] <pvandewyngaerde> IdleOne:  its on a site about the next web, hmm predicts nothin good http://thenextweb.org/2008/04/03/the-next-web-conference-live-videostream/
[18:30] <b47619> I accidently removed it from the left
[18:36] <meilon> how can I make compiz start emerald as decorator?
[18:42] <k1l> meilon, i got the same problem. i put emerald in the window decoration thing in compiz but it doesnt work :/
[18:43] <meilon> yep, thats what I tried too
[18:44] <almostdvs> so basically help will not be given?
[18:45] <jussio1> almostdvs: what do you mean?
[18:45] <almostdvs> "...and how to fix it when it breaks, before installing Hardy"
[18:45] <thoreauputic> strange comment on join...
[18:46] <almostdvs> i got some type of greeter crash
[18:46] <thoreauputic> almostdvs: it's beta - it breaks. That's the deal
[18:46] <thoreauputic> that doesn't mean "no helP"
[18:47] <almostdvs> ok do you or anyone else have ideas on what i should try in my situation
[18:47] <jussio1> almostdvs: Its just saying dont try this unless you have some understanding of what you are getting yourself into.
[18:47] <almostdvs> i went to recovery mode and got the same error
[18:47] <thoreauputic> almostdvs: have you searched launchpad for gdm bugs?
[18:49] <thoreauputic> almostdvs: so far you haven't told us anything useful that we could help you with :)
[18:50] <almostdvs> i updated, and did the mandatory restart. got a greeter error and just now hopped on my grandmas laptop to see if i could help from irc and forums
[18:50] <thoreauputic> umm... " agreeter error" doesn't tell us anything. What is the error message?
[18:53] <almostdvs> hold on i'll reboot and tell you.  something failed/crashed trying another greeter, then nothing happens
[18:55] <dotech> greeter as in a boot loader?  the login window?
[18:55] <almostdvs> The Greeter Application Appears To Be Crashing. Attempting To Use A Different One
[18:55] <digin4> hmm
[18:55] <almostdvs> i have a pointer...  nothing loads though.  i let it set for about 15 min.
[18:56] <itsbland> FF Beta 4 doesn't clear private data. Anyone else seeing this?
[18:56] <osteenbergen> Does someone know how to fix battery indicator (and acpi in console) to report the correct data?
[18:56] <WorkingOnWise> Is replacing Gutsy with Hardy in the sources.list still an effective way to do an upgrade to Hardy?
[18:56] <thoreauputic> !upgrade
[18:56] <ubotu> For upgrading, see the instructions at https://help.ubuntu.com/community/UpgradeNotes
[18:57] <almostdvs> one forum suggests i disable "Enable Accessible login"  does anyone know how to do this from terminal?
[18:58] <w0nder> man.. i'm really having problems getting my sound card working in hardy
[18:58] <w0nder> anyone around to help me troubleshoot?
[18:58] <thoreauputic> almostdvs: what happens if you get a console ( Ctrl -alt- F1 ) then run   sudo dpkg-reconfigure gdm   ?
[18:58] <w0nder> installed OSS yesterday.. the test is successful but i still don't get sound
[18:59] <thoreauputic> w0nder: why did you install OSS ? Do you have specific apps that need it?
[19:00] <Melch> can someone please help me with the partial upgrade?
[19:00] <almostdvs> thoreauputic: reloading gdm config...  changes will take effect when all current x sessions have ended
[19:00] <thoreauputic> almostdvs: OK is X running? If so do a ctrl-alt-backspace to kill it
[19:01] <Melch> it can't update the kernel-generic-image
[19:01] <thoreauputic> then try running   sudo /etc/init.d/gdm restart
[19:01] <almostdvs> thoreauputic:  nothing happened
[19:01] <Melch> itsays it can't authuncate
[19:01] <w0nder> if i try to do a test using System/Pref/Sound i get this: audiotestsrc wave=sine freq=512 ! audioconvert ! audioresample ! gconfaudiosink: Could not open resource for writing.
[19:01] <thoreauputic> almostdvs: try the restart command above
[19:02] <almostdvs> thoreauputic: it gave me the greeter message again
[19:03] <thoreauputic> almostdvs: and  what does  `pgrep X ` say?
[19:03] <thoreauputic> You mean the same error?
[19:03] <almostdvs> thoreauputic: 5579
[19:04] <thoreauputic> OK so at leat X is running - does gdm give you a login page ( graphical )
[19:04] <Melch> Anyone having a problem reciving the partitial upgrade due to the generic kernel image?
[19:04] <almostdvs> thoreauputic:  no
[19:04] <thoreauputic> almostdvs: so all you have is a console prompt, right?
[19:04] <almostdvs> i have a pointer and i click on the ok message and nothing happens
[19:05] <thoreauputic> umm - that's graphical
[19:05] <almostdvs> thoreauputic: correct
[19:05] <thoreauputic> OK kill X - sudo /etc/init.d/gdm stop   then try  just  startx  and see what happens
[19:07] <taza> Will 8.04 upgrade neatly to the full version once it's actually released?
[19:07] <almostdvs> thoreauputic: it had some weird graphics and now i am into my desktop.
[19:07] <taza> As in, Firefox 3b4 upgrading to Firefox3 etc?
[19:07] <thoreauputic> so you have a desktop with startx, right?
[19:07] <thoreauputic> almostdvs: ^^
[19:07] <almostdvs> thoreauputic: should i disable the "enable accessible login like the forum says
[19:07] <thoreauputic> almostdvs: it sounds like a gdm problem
[19:08] <almostdvs> .. so i won't recieve this again
[19:08] <taza> or would I have to reinstall to et a decent experience?
[19:08] <thoreauputic> almostdvs: have you tried   sudo apt-get -f install  ?
[19:08] <taza> I'll have to reformat anyway and it appears that anything but Hardy lacks proper hardware support.
[19:09] <almostdvs> thoreauputic:  does that roll back an update?
[19:09] <thoreauputic> almostdvs: startx bypassed the login screen (gdm) Hence I think the problem is with gdm
[19:09] <thoreauputic> almostdvs: no,  sudo apt-get -f install  tries to fix your install
[19:09] <thoreauputic> ie configure or reinstall etc, stuff that is incomplete or broken
[19:10] <thoreauputic> almostdvs: but at least you can get your desktop now, right?
[19:11] <almostdvs> thoreauputic:  yes, so if it happens again switch to terminal, login and stop gdm and startx?
[19:11] <thoreauputic> almostdvs: for the moment that's a work-around
[19:12] <taza> Or lemme guess, Hardy's still broken and I'm better off waiting if I have only one machine I need to work?
[19:12] <thoreauputic> almostdvs: you might also try running  sudo aptitude update && sudo aptitude dist-upgrade a couple of times, and see if anything is missing
[19:12] <taza> (not that gutsy is working even halfway acceptably but I can still web browse)
[19:13] <thoreauputic> taza: if the machine is important to your work, then yes, do not use hardy
[19:13] <almostdvs> ok,  ill post the workaround on the forums too
[19:13] <thoreauputic> almostdvs: OK
[19:13] <taza> thoreauputic: Not important for my work, important that it works because it's my temp machine
[19:13] <taza> But then again, I have a long weekend so no better time than now.
[19:13] <thoreauputic> taza: whatever :)
[19:14] <briareos90> have all the packages been ported to hardy already ? as in apps/devtools/etc .. ?
[19:14] <thoreauputic> almostdvs: don't bother daying thank you or anything...
[19:14] <thoreauputic> &saying
[19:15] <almostdvs> thoreauputic: sorry thank you very much
[19:15] <taza> thoreauputic: I have a computer lab back home but I'm far away to study, so I use this box. Amusingly enough it's the only box I want to upgrade because all hw is brand new.
[19:15] <thoreauputic> almostdvs: it's cool :)
[19:15] <almostdvs> i was submitting the crash report to launchpad
[19:15] <taza> thoreauputic: Also, are you sure that's along the ubuntu code? o.O
[19:15] <taza> Or heck, along the programmer code.
[19:15] <taza> That was very, very rude.
[19:15] <thoreauputic> almostdvs: ah good :)
[19:16] <thoreauputic> taza: thanks. I've been helping on IRC since 2004 - I think I can say I understand the code of conduct
[19:17] <thoreauputic> taza: and gratuitous comments about a throw away line are not appreciated either
[19:17] <taza> thoreauputic: Well, expletive. You're just one exceptionally rude person then.
[19:17] <blitzchecker> hallo
[19:18] <blitzchecker> ich habe probleme einen palm tungsten t3 unter ubuntu (8.04 beta, fluxbox) einzurichten...
[19:18] <thoreauputic> taza: on the contrary, if you look at the record you will find that I am generally helpful and polite
[19:18] <thoreauputic> taza: leave it
[19:18] <thoreauputic> taza: you must be new around here
[19:19] <blitzchecker> oh sry i haven't seen that this is an english speaking channel ;)
[19:19] <taza> blitzchecker: Try #ubuntu-de ?
[19:19] <taza> thoreauputic: Actually, no.
[19:19] <bazhang> taza please ease up
[19:19] <blitzchecker> they said i can get hardy support here
[19:19] <taza> I knew the Ubuntu project was host to people like you but it still shocks me seeing one of you.
[19:19] <thoreauputic> taza: then you are quick to judge and know nothing about me
[19:19] <Gilou> lol yeaaaah !
[19:19] <Gilou> arguing on IRC, great :p
[19:20] <taza> thoreauputic: I know enough seeing those few lines
[19:20] <bazhang> !ot | taza
[19:20] <ubotu> taza: #ubuntu is the Ubuntu support channel, #ubuntu+1 supports the development version of Ubuntu and #ubuntu-offtopic is for random chatter. Welcome!
[19:20] <taza> Well, I'm not here to argue
[19:20] <taza> bazhang: Already ignored him
[19:20]  * briareos90 slaps himself with a uber large hardy heron
[19:20] <bazhang> taza wrong person to ignore if your hardy crashes
[19:20] <taza> Now, anyone know if Hardy beta will upgrade nicely to hardy actual?
[19:21] <taza> bazhang: I don't have time for OSS egoes.
[19:21] <blitzchecker> i've got problems with sychnronizing a palm tungsten t3 with ubuntu (current 8.04 beta, fluxbox)... when i'm doing a hotsync, in /var/log/messages only those lines appear: http://paste.xairro.com/view/154/
[19:21] <taza> bazhang: I've been using linux before Ubuntu was even about, so I doubt I'll have too much trouble.
[19:21] <Gilou> why do you argue... mine is still bigger than yours
[19:22] <briareos90> O_O lol
[19:23] <taza> Gilou: Do you know if Hardy Beta will neatly upgrade to Hardy?
[19:23] <taza> Without weird system cruft.
[19:23] <Gilou> it probably will, especially if you follow the updates of the beta
[19:23] <briareos90> anyone compiled dolphin from svn ?
[19:23] <sourcemaker> what's the name for the vmare-server repository in Hardy?
[19:23] <Lamego> !final
[19:23] <ubotu> If you installed a Alpha/Beta/RC version of Ubuntu 8.04 (Hardy Heron) and have been keeping it up to date, then you are already running the latest version of Hardy. To make sure, type « sudo apt-get update && sudo apt-get dist-upgrade » in a console.
[19:24] <bazhang> is that the canonical partner repo? I keep forgetting
[19:24] <Gilou> I have a weird kernel issue here in hardy, and I just broke my grub install, I'm a little bit angry at the moment :p
[19:24] <taza> Gilou: I have a Puppy install on a 256mb stick, I figure I can think my way through those. :P
[19:24] <sourcemaker> !vmware
[19:24] <ubotu> VMWare Player is in Ubuntu's !Multiverse repository (package "vmware-player", not available for Gutsy, only Feisty and Edgy), and http://www.easyvmx.com/easyvmx.shtml can create VMs for it. Instructions can be found at https://help.ubuntu.com/community/VMware - See also !virtualizers
[19:24] <Gilou> yeah well the kernel issue is weird
[19:25] <Gilou> and HAL / ACPI support seems broken for my laptop
[19:25] <taza> Gilou: How old a laptop and by which manufacturer?
[19:25] <briareos90> !hardy rc
[19:25] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about hardy rc - try searching on http://ubotu.ubuntu-nl.org/factoids.cgi
[19:25] <Gilou> Acer Travelmate
[19:25] <sourcemaker>  deb http://archive.canonical.com/ubuntu hardy partner... is this available?
[19:25] <Gilou> 1 year old or so
[19:25] <taza> Yeah, you're right. That is a weird issue.
[19:25] <taza> :P
[19:26] <Gilou> lol
[19:26] <Gilou> yeah...
[19:26] <Gilou> intel & acpi brr.
[19:26] <briareos90> is it better to do a fresh install of hardy or to upgrade gutsy ?
[19:27] <bazhang> sourcemaker: aye
[19:28] <sourcemaker> bazhang: I can't find the vmware-server on apt?
[19:28] <bazhang> briareos90: what net connection you have? if fast a net upgrade makes sense; also if you dont have a seperate home partition then all will be lost without a backup
[19:28] <bazhang> sourcemaker: you enabled all the repos and reloaded
[19:29] <sourcemaker> bazhang: yes i have... maybe I have the wrong repo for vmware--- do you know the location?
[19:29] <briareos90> bazhang: /home is formatted ? i have a dsl with approx 200kbps dwnld
[19:30] <bazhang> sourcemaker: what does apt-cache search say about vmware?
[19:30] <sourcemaker> bazhang: do not find..
[19:30] <bazhang> briareos90: no; if you have seperate home then fresh install is fine; I have a bunch of tweaks and no sep home so a net upgrade was the only route for me
[19:30] <toorima> briareos90: safest is to do a backup, try the upgrade, if it works well, use it, if upgrade brakes bad, then reinstall and use your backup
[19:31] <briareos90> bazhang: yeah i have home on a different volgroup
[19:31] <bazhang> briareos90: very smart!
[19:31] <blitzchecker> has anyone a palm tungsten t3 running under ubuntu?
[19:31]  * briareos90 !sosmart
[19:32] <briareos90> imma try upgrade then
[19:32] <briareos90> :D
[19:33] <briareos90> bazhang: 2 more things though : 1) is kde4 stable enough 2) have most of the packages been ported to hardy yet ?
[19:33] <prakriti> how usable is ubuntu+1?
[19:33] <bazhang> sourcemaker: it should be in the commercial canonical repo; I had it from gutsy though so perhaps not in there yet
[19:34] <toorima> sourcemaker: maybe try virtualbox instead, I find it much nicer then vmware
[19:34] <bazhang> briareos90: kde3 packages you mean to kde4? or gutsy to hardy (generic)? there is a freeze now iirc
[19:34] <prakriti> I usually upgrade a couple weeks before release,  I'm just wondering what kind of not-working sorta things to look out for.
[19:34] <bazhang> prakriti: broadcom wireless?
[19:35] <prakriti> nope, no wireless
[19:35] <prakriti> i do have an intel wireless in my lappy
[19:35] <briareos90> bazhang: oh lol i forgot ... RC is out :p
[19:35] <bazhang> then you're good ;]
[19:35] <toorima> RC is out?
[19:35] <briareos90> isnt it out ?
[19:35] <taza> Not last I saw
[19:35] <Rigd> My nvidia 8600 show black stripes when using proprietary drivers, anyone has any idea?
[19:35] <bazhang> no idea; if you are up to date then you are RC ;]
[19:36] <kane77> what happened to pulse and amarok?
[19:36] <Lamego> RC is not out
[19:36] <bazhang> oops then nvm
[19:36] <briareos90> O_o someone in yahoo chatroom told me RC cd is up for download :p
[19:36] <taza> briareos90: Ah, Yahoo chatrooms. About as reliable as 4chan.
[19:36] <toorima> i thought RC was due on the 17th
[19:36] <briareos90> lol
[19:37] <bazhang> yahoo is at least better than digg ;]
[19:37] <taza> Just wait until /. says so.
[19:38] <briareos90> bazhang u got hardy installed ?
[19:39] <bazhang> briareos90: of course! ;]
[19:39] <briareos90> hows the stability ?
[19:39] <toorima> briareos90: better then gutsy
[19:39] <briareos90> O_O holy cow
[19:39] <kane77> briareos90, I haven't had any problems so far...
[19:39] <briareos90> O_O holy chicken
[19:39] <bazhang> quite nice but this is a desktop and my lappy has intel wireless briareos90
[19:39] <briareos90> correction holy moose
[19:40] <briareos90> wee imma install tonite :D
[19:40] <briareos90> u ahve kde or gnome ?
[19:40] <briareos90> i mean do you ahve kde 4 ?
[19:40] <bazhang> kde3/4 both
[19:41] <BadRobot> hi there
[19:41] <bazhang> hi
[19:41] <BadRobot> i have just updated my box and now i can't start it up
[19:41] <kane77> the only problem is amarok.. yesterday it gave me some funny messages so trying to fix it I removed the amarokrc and now I have to rebuild the library.. and it doesn't use pulse anymore...
[19:42] <bazhang> kane77: I had that too; rebuilding the library did it for me
[19:42] <BadRobot> it gives me some initri something and there it stays
[19:42] <T1m0thy> "unable to initialize any audio drivers"
[19:42] <BadRobot> i think it's something do with the kernel
[19:42] <bazhang> BadRobot: do you recall the precise error message?
[19:46] <BadRobot> sorry bazhang it looks like it has been fixed
[19:46] <BadRobot> so is it safe to update the kernel?
[19:46] <prophet05> Is the error of "Locking assertion failure." when starting java application using awt/swing with Java6 known for Hardy?
[19:46] <bazhang> BadRobot: ah good news then
[19:46] <BadRobot> now i have to do in my laptop
[19:47] <BadRobot> so,is it safe to update the kernel?
[19:47] <bazhang> manually?
[19:47] <BadRobot> no,with the update
[19:47] <briareos90> Gnight all
[19:47] <bazhang> what kernel do you have now?
[19:47] <bazhang> cya briareos90
[19:48] <askand> When I made the kernelupdate an hour ago, my X broke
[19:48] <BadRobot> my update manager is showing more the 155 updates and one of them is the kernel
[19:48] <bazhang> the -12 to the -13?
[19:48] <cyclonut> BadRobot: I didnt get any trouble
[19:48] <BadRobot> i don't trust kernel update,so i am just wondering if anyone have had problems with it
[19:49] <Turski> err?
[19:49] <BadRobot> luck you cyclonut
[19:49] <bazhang> I'm on -12
[19:49] <Turski> BadRobot: why you dont trust?
[19:49] <askand> I think it was the combo of a new kernel and using ATI that broke it for me
[19:49] <Turski> -14 works fine
[19:50] <cyclonut> BadRobot: that said, efore I hit the update, I was in here asking if it would destroy things ;-)
[19:50] <BadRobot> because usually kernel updates mess up the system
[19:50] <Turski> usually?
[19:50] <Turski> wtf
[19:50] <jbroome> you're doing it wrong
[19:50] <BadRobot> in my case it did 2x
[19:50] <Turski> i have updated kernel like 10 times and never messed up anything
[19:50] <BadRobot> once it was the libc6
[19:50] <Turski> or 20...
[19:50] <Turski> yeh
[19:50] <bazhang> that was bad
[19:50] <Turski> it was libc6
[19:50] <Turski> not kernel
[19:51] <jaffarkelshac> wait so the update is messing with x?
[19:51] <askand> http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=743748 these people also having problem after updating the kernel and using ati just like me, I suggest you wait  if you are using ATI
[19:51] <Turski> BadRobot: imho kernel update is safe
[19:51] <BadRobot> ok
[19:52] <bazhang> update to what?
[19:52] <Turski> at least if you dont have ati
[19:52] <Turski> since looks like it has some problems
[19:52] <bazhang> to -13?
[19:52] <dotech> what swap size do you pick if you have 8gb of ram?
[19:52] <Turski> -14?
[19:52] <askand> BadRobot: If the kernel breaks for you you can choose to start an older kernel in GRUB
[19:52] <BadRobot> i don't mind if mess up my box,it's just for testing but my laptop i need to sure
[19:52] <dotech> i used to just go by ram size * 2, but that seems like major overkill now
[19:52] <bazhang> haha
[19:52] <T1m0thy> lol
[19:52] <T1m0thy> 16 gb swap space
[19:52] <dotech> yealol
[19:53] <cyclonut> dotech: honestly, I keep my swap at 1.5gb, never needed anything close to that.
[19:53] <dotech> nice, i was thinking 2gb
[19:53] <Turski> werent -14 released today for ubuntu?
[19:53] <jaffarkelshac> how come ubuntu does not have system restore
[19:53] <Turski> i think it get one update too today after release
[19:53] <BadRobot> my is1.2 gb too
[19:53] <Turski> got*
[19:53] <Turski> i have 10 Gb swap :)
[19:53] <T1m0thy> jaffarkelshac, You can tar / :p
[19:53] <dotech> haha
[19:53] <Turski> and 2 Gb ram
[19:54] <Turski> swap is never used :P
[19:54] <dotech> i doubt my swap will see much action with 8gb of ram, but you never know ;)
[19:54] <Turski> :P
[19:54] <BadRobot> i am putting more RAM on my laptop.Do i need to set up swap again?
[19:54] <Turski> why you should?
[19:54] <jbroome> yeah, newegg is having a sale so i'm going to jump to 8gb
[19:54] <bazhang> maybe when photoshop is open-sourced
[19:54] <dotech> if you dont have enough swap thats the only reason you would increase it
[19:54] <jaffarkelshac> thats a big file T1m0thy
 maybe when photoshop is open-sourced <--- lol, In my dreams.
[19:54] <TheInfinity> swap is never wrong :p
[19:54] <dotech> the ram i got was $50 for 2 2gb modules
[19:55] <Turski> :O
[19:55] <dotech> newegg
[19:55] <bazhang> wow
[19:55] <dotech> mail in rebate
[19:55] <BadRobot> Google is release Google photoshop,based on Adobe photoshop
[19:55] <Turski> my ram was about 46€ for 2x1Gb
[19:55] <jaffarkelshac> ram is getting soo cheap
[19:55] <dotech> BadRobot, nice
[19:55] <T1m0thy> Uh.. what BadRobot?
[19:55] <jaffarkelshac> is google photoshop free
[19:55] <dotech> i still use GIMP :)
[19:55] <BadRobot> it should to be ready before summer in Europe
[19:55] <T1m0thy> o.O
[19:55] <T1m0thy> link?
[19:56] <cyclonut> booogimp
[19:56] <BadRobot> while Adobe is busy with AIR for Linux
[19:56] <Turski> gimp is the best
[19:56] <T1m0thy> I can use GIMP but not as well as PS.
[19:56] <kane77> have you seen pixel? it looks kind of nice
[19:56] <Turski> i have never used photo shop :P
[19:56] <cyclonut> I am a fan of aviary
[19:56] <cyclonut> the new online offering
[19:56] <dotech> man i can't wait to get back in ubuntu
[19:56] <cyclonut> http://a.viary.com/
[19:57] <dotech> it's been a while since i had a desktop
[19:57] <Turski> hehe
[19:57] <BadRobot> yep.It's free it's the same adobe photoshop but w/o adobe's name
[19:57] <jaffarkelshac> is anyone using  seahorse
[19:57] <cyclonut> BadRobot: "same"
[19:57] <quentusrex_> Is there any way to auto tab source code?
[19:57] <dotech> vim :)
[19:57] <dotech> emacs, any decent editor
[19:57] <quentusrex_> I've been given over a thousand lines of source code that isn't tabbed properly....
[19:57] <cyclonut> quentusrex_: if you put it into pastie itll usually do it, otherwise there is a gedit plugin that can do it too
[19:57] <quentusrex_> what is the gedit plugin?
[19:58] <kane77> quentusrex_, what is the language?
[19:58] <quentusrex_> html and css
[19:58] <cyclonut> quentusrex_: its called like autoindent or some such thing
[19:58] <cyclonut> quentusrex_: I believe bluefish has autotabbing too
[19:58] <kane77> there is package called hindent
[19:59] <kane77> quentusrex_, ^^
[19:59] <dotech> in vim i just select all the text in visual mode and press "=="
[19:59] <dotech> that does it
[19:59] <Pici> Theres sed...
[19:59] <dotech> there's a million ways to do it hehe
[19:59] <quentusrex_> :)
[19:59] <kane77> there's xmoto
[19:59] <Pici> s/    /\t/g
[19:59] <quentusrex_> is bluefish a good programming ide?
[20:00] <StereoSkit> hi all, i just dist-upgraded hardy today and when asked for a boot i did it, now the system wont load, it halts at the busybox !!!!, any workaround for this ?
[20:01] <kane77> but anyways I'm glad I am running ubuntu.. I started installing gnome two days ago on gentoo and it's still crunching sources :/
[20:01] <jaffarkelshac> my updates just installed, will be restarting, i hope it does not screw up
[20:01] <quentusrex_> can gedit corrent bad indentions?
[20:02] <quentusrex_> I need something that will corrently indent the code that is already there...
[20:02] <joebob777as7> quentusrex_ kate
[20:03] <quentusrex_> kate isn't in the ubuntu repositories... none of them...
[20:04] <joebob777as7> quentusrex_ I just did a apt-cache search: kate - advanced text editor for KDE
[20:05] <prana> quentusrex_: apt-get install tidy
[20:06] <BadRobot> does someone knows how can i update some .deb files to getdeb.net?
[20:06] <prana> quentusrex_: and possibly csstidy
[20:06] <BadRobot> sorry i mean upload
[20:07] <BadRobot> I am waiting for Koffice 2 ,quentusrex
[20:07] <BadRobot> has some tried it?
[20:10] <jaffarkelshac> i just updated, it did not mess with anything, everything is fine
[20:10] <digin4> will there be another beta before the final?
[20:10] <jaffarkelshac> not likely
[20:10] <Pici> There is an RC
[20:13] <orvokki> Hmm. My modutils has nvidia-kernel-nkc with content "alias char-major-195 nvidia". Should it be that way for nvidia-glx-new?
[20:14] <w0nder> thoreauputic: i couldn't seem to get ALSA working i don't think.. someone was helping me yesterday and they walked me through this
[20:14] <w0nder> (sorry, i had to step away)
[20:15] <prana> what to install to play the .swf files generated by ooimpress swf export?
[20:16] <mohamed> is there good way to separate partation e.g /home /usr ..etc, if this some partation r grow with time then how one manage this ?
[20:16] <joebob777as7> prana windows xp :P
[20:17] <prana> joebob777as7: ...thanks :p. trying to embed some animations in latex-generated pdf.
[20:17] <KRF> mohamed, dont separate /usr...
[20:18] <choro> anyone got netatalk to work with ssl? It doesn't seem to be possible :(
[20:18] <prana> mohamed: just use a 10 GB / partition and the rest for /home.
[20:18] <mohamed> thx KRF prana
[20:18] <TCMC2010> I just install linux-xen, and I got the kernel /boot/vmlinuz-2.6.24-14-xen but update-grub don't see it !
[20:19] <TCMC2010> I'm using Hardy server
[20:20] <co0lingFir3> hi folks! does anyone know if firefox 3 beta 5 is gonna make into the repos?
[20:21] <jbroome> soonish
[20:21] <rpedro> co0lingFir3: don't use firefox, it is too slow....
[20:21] <co0lingFir3> jbroome: soonish next day or soonish next week?
[20:22] <co0lingFir3> rpedro: what would u propose using instead?
[20:22] <rpedro> co0lingFir3: apt-get install link2 , then links2 -g
[20:22] <rpedro> apt-get install links2* :P
[20:23] <PaulM> meh. my wireless just stopped working all of a sudden for no apparent reason, and doesn't seem to work after I reboot. didn't do ANYTHING other than put the machine in suspent. anyone have any ideas?
[20:23] <TCMC2010> uuurrrgh... links2 !!  for god's sake
[20:23] <TCMC2010> try Opera
[20:23] <TCMC2010> :)
[20:24] <co0lingFir3> rpedro: wow that browser looks horrible
[20:24] <rpedro> nah
[20:24] <prometheus> <3 links
[20:24] <co0lingFir3> so is there any ETA for new firefox beta to be in repos?
[20:25] <prometheus> if you are impatient just install it through them
[20:26] <TCMC2010> yeah...  stable version of firefox comes in July...
[20:26] <PaulM> woo
[20:26] <PaulM> looking forward to that
[20:26] <TCMC2010> so.. can anyone help me?! I just install linux-xen, and I got the kernel /boot/vmlinuz-2.6.24-14-xen but update-grub don't see it !
[20:27] <TCMC2010> I'm using Hardy server
[20:27] <TCMC2010> 64bits
[20:31] <jmehdi> I'd like to know which version of Firefox will be included in hardy release... a beta version?
[20:32] <prometheus> a beta or an rc
[20:32] <orvokki> TCMC2010: Eh, sounds like time to drop back to Firefox 2 for ubuntu-desktop then.
[20:32] <prometheus> no final releases
[20:32] <orvokki> Since Firefox 3 final can't make it for Hardy.
[20:32] <BadRobot> FF3 Beta 5 was just released
[20:33] <BadRobot> they will release the RC soon
[20:33] <TCMC2010> i don't think so orvokki, Firefox 3 beta it's pretty stable to me...
[20:33] <prometheus> firefox 3 will be released in mid to late june (what is on their website)
[20:33] <TCMC2010> Gmail still Beta!
[20:33] <TCMC2010> :)
[20:33] <orvokki> TCMC2010: "Pretty stable" isn't enough. Hardy is LTS.
[20:33] <BadRobot> Orvokki r u a Finn?
[20:33] <jmehdi> not shipping a final version is quite strange for an LTS...
[20:34] <jmehdi> orvokki, same ;)
[20:34] <prometheus> they are doing alot of wierd things for this lts
[20:34] <Melch> can someone help me iwth the upgrade please
[20:34] <TCMC2010> orvokki, you right! Maybe is a good idea change to Firefox2 since 8.04 is LTS!
[20:34] <prometheus> keep ff3 in the repos though
[20:34] <orvokki> !info firefox-2
[20:34] <ubotu> Package firefox-2 does not exist in hardy
[20:35] <BadRobot> I think there is no meaning to keep FF2 to for a LTS release
[20:35] <orvokki> Hmm.
[20:35] <orvokki> BadRobot: No need to keep the stable release for a Long-Term Support version?
[20:35] <BadRobot> Until when will they support FF2 after they release FF3?
[20:35] <BadRobot> well,FF3 is stalbe enough
[20:35] <BadRobot> stable
[20:36] <TCMC2010> I agree.
[20:36] <jmehdi> I've also a problem with firefox 3 beta (https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/firefox/+bug/209401), folders location are not stable
[20:36] <ubotu> Launchpad bug 209401 in firefox "firefox3 .cfg file location" [Undecided,New]
[20:36] <TCMC2010> FF3 is stable...   :P
[20:36] <BadRobot> otherwise it wouldn't be Beta then a Alpha
[20:36] <orvokki> *shrug* Devs don't think it's ready yet.
[20:36] <orvokki> BadRobot: Beta is an unstable public testing version.
[20:36] <jmehdi> it breaks my app
[20:36] <orvokki> Prone for breaking.
[20:36] <Lamego> not to mentiont hat a lot of extensions are not compatible with it
[20:37] <orvokki> Indeed.
[20:37] <BadRobot> i don't use much FF3 ,i use mostly Opera and Epiphany-Gecko and WebKit
[20:37] <orvokki> Anyone using nvidia-glx-new?
[20:37] <orvokki> What should the char-major say for /etc/modutils/nvidia-kernel-nkc?
[20:39] <TCMC2010> I think it is not a big deal to stay with FF3.
[20:40] <pepie34> i've got a regression with 2.6.24-14 madwifi-svn is not working anymore
[20:40] <pepie34> i've got a lot of "Rx invalid nwid" and no dhcp lease
[20:40] <PaulM> I'm also having wifi problems after the upgrade
[20:41] <pepie34> 2.6.24-12 still working
[20:41] <PaulM> yeah, but that doesn't work with my keyboard :/
[20:41] <voidmage-away> firefox started taking up 1.8GB again today, is anyone else having this probleM?
[20:42] <orvokki> Without any Java or so applets running?
[20:42] <voidmage-away> pretty sure that's the case
[20:43] <pepie34> by the way the madwifi driver in module-restricted is not up to date, not working with AR5418, i still need to compile the madwifi-svn by hanf
[20:43] <Gnine> murrine theme got b0rked
[20:43] <voidmage-away> i can try a new session
[20:43] <pepie34> by hand
[20:43] <orvokki> I'd have to say, no. I haven't had that problem. Pretty sure I'd notice it since I only have 2 GB RAM.
[20:44] <pepie34> other person with wifi problem on the new kernel?
[20:44] <TCMC2010> anyone knows why update-grub don't see my /boot/vmlinuz-2.6.24-14-xen kernel ?!
[20:44] <Ibycus> hello?
[20:45] <pepie34> hi
[20:45] <Ibycus> got a (very tiny) issue with hardy heron
[20:45] <Ibycus> compiz by default enables drop down shadows on the panels, this looks horrible
[20:45] <TCMC2010> Hello Moto!
[20:45] <TCMC2010> :-P
[20:45] <Ibycus> i know you can turn it off in ccsm
[20:45] <Ibycus> but why are they even enabled in the first place?
[20:45]  * pepie34 is on a free hughs day
[20:46] <Ibycus> would it be possible to turn these off in hardy by default
[20:46] <nonix> Hmm, how much hd space does base (as installed from altcd) require? Planning to run several hardy beta instances within KVM for some testing purposes, wondering how much to allocate each...
[20:46] <Ashex> is amarok 2.0 going to be included with hardy?
[20:46] <TCMC2010> Ibycus, alt+F2 and run metacity --replace
[20:46] <pepie34> where should i signal the wifi problem ?
[20:46] <Luckrider> does anyone know if there is chan/server for Cwiid?
[20:47] <Ibycus> TCMC2010: I know how to turn them off in compiz :-), I'm just questioning the wisdom of including them set in hardy heron by default
[20:47] <TCMC2010> Ibycus, or maybe install and reconfigure your environment with: aptitude install compizconfig-settings-manager
[20:47] <Gnine> that would kill compiz,Ashex
[20:47] <TCMC2010> Ibycus, ok ok...
[20:47] <TCMC2010> :)
[20:47] <Ibycus> where would I suggest that perhaps they be turned off by default?
[20:47] <voidmage-away> that's strange
[20:47] <Gnine> "questioning the wisdom" ... next
[20:47] <voidmage-away> now it's not doing it anymore
[20:47] <Ashex> Gnine, how so?
[20:48] <Ibycus> I know it's a really small niggling thing, but I do think it makes a big difference to how it looks
[20:48] <lux0815> how can i deactivate pulseaudio and use esd in hardy?
[20:48] <jaffarkelshac> how do i stop my num pad from moving my mouse
[20:49] <nonix> Ibycus: and bunch of tiny raindrops make a river?
[20:49] <Ibycus> nonix: well it's just polish isn't it
[20:49] <jaffarkelshac> anyone around,
[20:49] <jaffarkelshac> how do i stop my numpad from moving my mouse
[20:49] <pepie34> bye
[20:50] <Luckrider> try turning num lock on
[20:50] <voidmage-away> i think it was an out of date extension doing it
[20:50] <jaffarkelshac> Luckrider: it does not help
[20:50] <voidmage-away> removed google gears (not compatible with firefox 3 and keeps checking for updates) and things look to be running smooth now
[20:50] <Luckrider> oh
[20:50] <Luckrider> then I have no ideas
[20:50] <Gnine> keypad shouldnt move mouse unless mapped that way
[20:50] <Luckrider> exactly
[20:51] <Luckrider> does anyone know if there is chan/server for Cwiid?
[20:51] <webmaren> just ran latest updates and my xorg is defaulting to 800x600 on a 1280x800 screen
[20:51] <Ibycus> Cwiid is the wii remote drivers?
[20:51] <Luckrider> yeah
[20:51] <jaffarkelshac> i dont know how this came about
[20:51] <Ibycus> i seem to remember looking for an irc channel for that before and not finding one :-/
[20:51] <Luckrider> oh
[20:52] <Ibycus> i didn't put that much effort into looking though
[20:52] <webmaren> update seems to have erased my nvidia-settings
[20:52] <Luckrider> I was looking for one because I want help configuring it
[20:52] <Ibycus> anyway, where do i go to make ui suggestions for hardy?
[20:52] <jaffarkelshac> webmaren: mine too, and my compiz setting
[20:52] <Ibycus> there must be a place?
[20:52] <sourcemaker> can I use kde4 in hardy?
[20:52] <Gnine> just because you dont like something does not mean others wouldnt
[20:53] <Troofy> can anyone check that the app inspircd   exist in repos of the next ubuntu release?
[20:53] <Ibycus> Gnine: Yes I understand that, but there must be a place to at least discuss it
[20:54] <Ibycus> Gnine: Also, I think the shadows are only included because compiz puts shadows on everything by default, not through any considered design, and they really don't look quite right, there are a fair few forum posts about it
[20:54]  * Troofy waits
[20:54] <Gnine> thats not an issue whatsoever.. other than you not liking it
[20:54] <jaffarkelshac> Troofy: modular irc written in  C++ is what i get its there
[20:55] <Gnine> !info inspircd
[20:55] <ubotu> Package inspircd does not exist in hardy
[20:55] <jaffarkelshac> yes it does
[20:55] <Lamego> Gnine, not really, it maybe an issue, if most people dont'e like it, that is why suchs decisions have discussions
[20:55] <Troofy> jaffarkelshac yes. can you tell the exact package name and version?
[20:55] <sourcemaker> !kde4
[20:55] <orvokki> Finally.
[20:55] <orvokki> Got this mess fixed.
[20:56] <nonix4> hmm, add to wishlist: make guided installation refuse to install to too small hd :)
[20:56] <Gnine> so far i have seen one person saying so , Lamego .. unless you are #2
[20:56] <jaffarkelshac> Troofy: 1.171
[20:56] <jaffarkelshac> Troofy: sorry 1.1.17
[20:56] <Lamego> Gnine, that is not the point, the point is that you are trying to block someone, with "Your oppinion has no value" when he is just trying to bring something into discussion
[20:57] <Ibycus> Gnine: It's the sort of thing that most people wouldn't bother going on to irc to ask about it, in fact, I would suggest most people don't even really realise what it is exactly that makes it look different - I know I didn't really figure it out when I turned compiz on first
[20:57] <Gnine> thats what you say..
[20:57] <Troofy> jaffarkelshac thanks. its 18 as the latest. i think. dont know why ubuntu is lazy
[20:57] <Troofy> updating
[20:58] <jaffarkelshac> Troofy: you welcme
[20:58] <jaffarkelshac> does anyone use seahorse
[20:58] <Ibycus> jaffarkelshac: i do
[20:58] <Ibycus> jaffarkelshac: or i did on gutsy anyway
[20:58] <orvokki> How would you define a "too small hard disk", btw?
[20:59] <sourcemaker> which kde version are you using... kde3 or kde4?
[20:59] <jaffarkelshac> Ibycus: do you have a problem where when you try to save a publick key from "find remove keys" it would not accept the .asc
[20:59] <jaffarkelshac> it keep saying invalid file format
[20:59] <jaffarkelshac> i have to copy the armoured text and paste
[21:00] <Ibycus> I don't remember every having that problem, but i don't think I ever tried to save a public key
[21:00] <Ibycus> do you want me to try it now on hardy?
[21:01] <jaffarkelshac> if it would not be a bother Ibycus
[21:01] <nonix4> orvokki: well anything that doesn't have at least a megabyte free after installation of base, really...
[21:01] <nonix4> orvokki: ie 2 gigabyte usb stick
[21:02] <Ibycus> jaffarkelshac: will do in five minutes, gimme a bit
[21:02] <jaffarkelshac> take your time
[21:02] <webmaren> i can't activate nvidia driver now
[21:02] <Ibycus> Gnine: well is there somewhere i can go at least to voice a opinion
[21:02] <orvokki> nonix4: What if the user is planning to have a RAM disk for writing and only keep the actual system permanent?
[21:02] <webmaren> stuck on 800x600 resolution
[21:03] <jaffarkelshac> webmaren: is this after update?
[21:03] <webmaren> yeah
[21:03] <nonix4> orvokki: well my point is guided installation on 2 gigabyte fails mid-install when pkgs don't fit.
[21:03] <webmaren> it wiped my nvidia-settings module
[21:03] <jaffarkelshac> just fixed mine, i edited the xorg.conf myself
[21:03] <Gnine>  Ibycus try #ubuntu-dev
[21:03] <orvokki> nonix4: Well, it should warn, yes.
[21:04] <orvokki> Estimates are fairly reliable on non-compressed filesystems.
[21:06] <webmaren> jaffarkelshac: pastebin pls?
[21:07] <jaffarkelshac> webmaren, paste your xorg for me.
[21:09] <webmaren> http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/62064/
[21:11] <jaffarkelshac> http://paste.ubuntu.com/6439/
[21:11] <jaffarkelshac> thats what i editted mine to get.
[21:12] <Gnine> murrine theme has update
[21:13] <TCMC2010> howto use only linux-xen kernel on Hardy ?
[21:15] <Gnine> check system>administration>hardware drivers to enable nvidia proprietary driver - also check system>preferences>screen resolution or Screens and Graphics (if available)
[21:15] <Jkelshac> webmaren, did it work?
[21:16] <webmaren> haven'n't tried yet
[21:16] <PaulM> got my wireless back working again, no clue hwo
[21:16] <Gilou> aaaah, it's fun to debug a kernel using pictures
[21:16] <Gilou> :p
[21:17] <Gnine> that vesa driver might be the issue
[21:19] <PolitikerNEU> Just to say: I have figured out that actually my wlan is working in hardy, but strangely it hasn't got the standard name "eth1" but rather it is called "wlan0_rename" - but it works perfectly, sorry @ all
[21:22] <PaulM> PolitikerNEU: that's related to having more than one driver intsalled for it
[21:22] <PolitikerNEU> ah - ok, thanks
[21:22] <PaulM> the wireless faq/walkthroug hthing (don't have a link) has some good info on it
[21:23] <PolitikerNEU> hmm ... ok, but since it works now - I got no more problems (maybe I'll read the faq sometime)
[21:24] <PaulM> yeah
[21:24] <dooglus> I just rebooted and saw a corrupted message twice at the same time - snapshot: http://dooglus.rincevent.net/random/battery2.png
[21:24] <orvokki> Hmm.
[21:24] <dooglus> any idea which package to report that against?
[21:25] <orvokki> Gstreamer just stopped working for me.
[21:25] <webmaren> still not working
[21:26] <w0nder> so... sound issues in hardy?
[21:26] <webmaren> latest update fixes sound
[21:26] <w0nder> can someone help me out?
[21:26] <w0nder> oh?
[21:26] <w0nder> when was that? i updated today
[21:26] <webmaren> but may break your video driver
[21:26] <webmaren> well it fixed my sound at least
[21:26] <Gnine> !launchpad | dooglus
[21:26] <ubotu> dooglus: Launchpad is a collection of development services for Open Source projects. It's Ubuntu's bug tracker, and much more; see https://launchpad.net/
[21:27] <w0nder> hmm.. so how do i make sound work?
[21:28] <orvokki> Oh, right. Wasn't just Gstreamer then. Alsa just decided to die. :)
[21:29] <w0nder> ??
[21:30] <bjwebb> hi
[21:31] <bjwebb> hi
[21:31] <Gnine> !sound | w0nder
[21:31] <ubotu> w0nder: If you're having problems with sound, first ensure ALSA is selected, by double clicking on the volume control, then File -> Change Device (ALSA Mixer). If that fails, see https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Sound - https://help.ubuntu.com/community/SoundTroubleshooting - http://alsa.opensrc.org/DmixPlugin - For playing audio files, see !Players and !MP3
[21:31] <bjwebb> boot won't get past spinny timer again :S
[21:32] <w0nder> how do i re-enable the volume control? i hid it
[21:34] <w0nder> nevermind, found it
[21:34] <Jkelshac> how come dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg does not really offer any options whatsoever to do with my graphics or monitor it all seems to be about keyboard
[21:34] <w0nder> lol i don't have ALSA in the list
[21:34] <w0nder> just OSS
[21:34] <dooglus> Gnine: I was asking which package
[21:34] <orvokki> Gnine: Well, for me sound worked with 2.6.24-12-generic and doesn't work with 2.6.24-14-rt so I might suspect Alsa support is currently broken.
[21:35] <orvokki> Sigh, I should probably boot 2.6.24-14-generic to see if it's -rt that messes it up.
[21:36] <Gnine> i use pulseaudio. even though no issues with alsa here anyhow
[21:36] <orvokki> Same kernel as I mentioned?
[21:36] <w0nder> well how do i get either ALSA or Pulse installed?
[21:37] <Gnine> yes, -generic
[21:37] <w0nder> OSS is all that's listed
[21:38] <Gnine> !pulseaudio
[21:38] <ubotu> PulseAudio is a sound server intended as a drop-in replacement for !ESD - See https://wiki.ubuntu.com/PulseAudio for information and installation instructions
[21:38] <itsbland> wow this is nice
[21:38] <itsbland> if you mouse over an mp3 or any media sound files, the first couple of seconds would start playing
[21:38] <Gnine> it works with alsa.. but it is also included in 8.04
[21:40] <Jkelshac> how can i stop my numpad from moving my mouse even with num lock on
[21:40] <orvokki> Gnine: My mistake, I had forgot to install linux-ubuntu-modules-2.6.24-14-rt.
[21:40] <xtknight> can i mount a RAID disk using the Desktop CD (create /dev/md device thru mdadm create/assemble), and install it via ubiquity?
[21:41] <xtknight> install to it*
[21:41] <balgarath> anyone had trouble out of xgl after updating?  I had to uninstall it to get everything to boot correctly...
[21:41] <karmelek> hello everyone
[21:41] <Jkelshac> hello
[21:42] <balgarath> howdy
[21:42] <karmelek> i have got small problem with my digital camera on ubuntu hardy
[21:42] <orvokki> Right, feeling pretty confident towards Hardy now.
[21:42] <patifa> has the updater been fixed yet?
[21:42] <karmelek> now when I try to connect it
[21:43] <karmelek> i have got Error initializing camera: -53 in gnome
[21:43] <pleaseandthankyo> have you ever been bullied extensively by your psychologist or someone lower than you who assumes the role of psychologist? what to do when your psychologist see you and know what your problems are and then bully me/you? what would you do? would you change your career so you can become a psychologist? you can't get helped with the police because police helps them.
[21:44] <karmelek> it used to work some time ago
[21:44] <Jkelshac> what has that got to do with ubuntu
[21:44] <karmelek> could somebody help me with this camera?
[21:44] <Gnine> !offtopic | pleaseandthankyo
[21:44] <ubotu> pleaseandthankyo: #ubuntu is the Ubuntu support channel, #ubuntu+1 supports the development version of Ubuntu and #ubuntu-offtopic is for random chatter. Welcome!
[21:45] <balgarath> its symbolic.  you = ubuntu; bully = windows; police = microsoft;
[21:45] <Luckrider> lol
[21:45] <Gnine> its still offtopic
[21:45] <Gnine> even in #offtopic
[21:45] <balgarath> true
[21:46] <bjwebb> s/-offtopic/-allhellletloose
[21:46] <balgarath> I guess I'm off topic too
[21:46] <balgarath> !offtopic | balgarath
[21:46] <pleaseandthankyo> have you ever been bullied extensively by your psychologist(who knows what your problems are inside out) or someone lower than you who assumes the role of psychologist? what to do when your psychologist see you and know what your problems are and then bully me/you? what would you do? would you change your career so you can become a psychologist? you can't get helped with the police because police help
[21:46] <pleaseandthankyo> s them.
[21:46] <Gnine> !ops | pleaseandthankyo
[21:46] <ubotu> pleaseandthankyo: Help! Channel emergency! (ONLY use this trigger in emergencies) - Mez, LjL, elkbuntu, imbrandon, DBO, gnomefreak, Hobbsee, rob, ompaul, Madpilot, Seveas, CarlK, crimsun, ajmitch, tritium, Nalioth, thoreauputic, apokryphos, tonyyarusso, PriceChild, Amaranth, jrib, jenda, nixternal, Myrtti, mneptok, Pici, Jack_Sparrow, nickrud, jpatrick or jussi01!
[21:47] <T1m0thy> hasy so um my gf laft me wat do i do?!?!?!!
[21:47] <Jkelshac> what is this turning into
[21:47] <T1m0thy> haha
[21:47] <T1m0thy> I was kidding.
[21:47] <Jkelshac> oh thank GOd
[21:48] <balgarath> E-Jerry Springer
[21:48] <kane77> T1m0thy, yeah, right...
[21:48] <kane77> like we believe you!
[21:48] <kane77> :)
[21:48] <T1m0thy> lol
[21:49] <balgarath> so - nobody has had any trouble from xserver-xgl on an update?
[21:49] <T1m0thy> Not I.
[21:49] <PaulM> mine is fine
[21:49] <Exilant> someone in here who also uses konqueror and knows sth. about the flash problem?
[21:49] <Jkelshac> how come dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg does not really offer any options whatsoever to do with my graphics or monitor it all seems to be about keyboard
[21:49] <karmelek> so nobody would help me :( cu another time
[21:49] <RAOF> Jkelshac: Because it's all autodetected now.
[21:49] <RAOF> balgarath: Hm, what problem have you hod with xserver-xgl?
[21:51] <balgarath> RAOF, after updating (I'm using Ubuntu Studio btw), I got the error gnome-settings-manager failed to launch at boot, and when I tried to open it after I booted.  My theme wouldn't load, and my video was very slow.  Not to mention frequent lockups.  apt-get remove xserver-xgl fixed it, and if I try to re-install the problems come back.
[21:52] <prakriti> will wine and native games like doom3 have any issues with pulse?
[21:52] <prakriti> I guess pulse runs on top of alsa so my guess is no right?
[21:52] <RAOF> prakriti: Wine will, it's alsa driver is crap.
[21:52] <RAOF> balgarath: Uuurgh.  Well, at least you probably don't _need_ xserver-xgl :/
[21:53] <w0nder> i dont get this
[21:53] <w0nder> i just installed alsa with module-assistant
[21:53] <w0nder> but when i try to do     sudo alsa force-reload
[21:53] <w0nder> i get Loading ALSA sound driver modules: (none to reload)
[21:54] <ltracy> If I want to upgrade from Gutsy to Hardy, do I download an ISO or is there an upgrade manager route available?
[21:54] <RAOF> balgarath: Xgl is basically evil, and not really maintained.
[21:54] <pleaseandthankyo> do you know me inside out?
[21:54] <karmelek> iter: you can do it by update manager
[21:54] <Lamego> ltracy, check the topic
[21:54] <balgarath> RAOF, Right, I don't need it :)  But the main thing I miss is not being able to drag windows to my other workspace, or switch to it with my mouse wheel
[21:55] <karmelek> ltracy: ^
[21:55] <PaulM> ltracy: the update manager doesn't always work right, so beware
[21:55] <PaulM> (it hosed my system)
[21:55] <ltracy> Sorry and thanks
[21:55] <ltracy> hmmm
[21:55] <patifa> ltracy: the ISO works too, you can instruct the upgrade manager to use the CD directly.
[21:55] <Ashex> is anyone running Kubuntu?
[21:55] <RAOF> balgarath: That's provided by Compiz, not Xgl.  And drivers have got better, so you can (probably) use Compiz without XGL.
[21:55] <patifa> Though by now, everything on the CD is old.
[21:55] <Ashex> I need someone else to try launching katapult and see if the alt+space hotkey works
[21:56] <itsbland> I wanna try KDE 4.1...I guess it'll have to wait til 8.10
[21:56] <orvokki> !info opera
[21:56] <ubotu> Package opera does not exist in hardy
[21:56] <orvokki> *sigh*
[21:56] <Ashex> orvokki, enable the partner repos
[21:57] <Ashex> So nobody is running kde?
[21:57] <Ashex> I want to file this bug report, but I have to verify it with someone who did a vanilla install
[21:57] <pen> why emerald is slowing down compiz so much? is there a solution to this? I want emerald themes...
[21:59] <Exilant> Ashex: if i press alt-space, a katapult shows up
[21:59] <Ashex> Exilant, nutters
[21:59] <Ashex> for some reason, the window properties appears instead
[21:59]  * Gilou can finally boot the latest kernel with acpi=off..
[21:59] <Exilant> not sure what is supposed to happen though
[21:59] <balgarath> RAOF - what do I need to do to get the Compiz things working then? Even though they are checked in CCSM, they aren't working.  If I go to Preferences > Appearance > Visual Effects tab, None is selected, but if I try to select Normal I get "The Composite extension is not available"
[21:59]  * Gilou wants Intel to develop a proper DSDT for his laptop
[22:00] <RAOF> Gilou: You'd be wanting to ask your laptop vendor, not intel :)
[22:01] <RAOF> balgarath: What gfx card da you have in there?
[22:01] <orvokki> Ashex: No help, still no Opera.
[22:01] <orvokki> Maybe there just isn't Opera in partner repos for Hardy?
[22:01] <Gilou> RAOF> no, it's an intel thing for the centrino platform
[22:01] <|DuReX|> damn, I bougt myself a new TV card to use under ubuntu, read that the Hauppauge HVR-1300 was supported, plugged it in my computer, seems like it gets recognised
[22:01] <Gilou> though it's an acer
[22:01] <Ashex> orvokki, you did apt-get update too?
[22:01] <happytiger> sudo aptitude install linux-generic ..
[22:01] <happytiger> The following packages are BROKEN:
[22:01] <happytiger>   linux-restricted-modules-generic
[22:01] <orvokki> Ashex: ...
[22:01] <Ashex> orvokki, that's all I needed to do to install opera
[22:01] <|DuReX|> but I get cx22702_readreg: readreg error (ret == -121) :(
[22:01] <orvokki> Of course.
[22:02] <Ashex> hmm
[22:02] <orvokki> Ashex: Pastebin me your sources.list?
[22:02] <Gilou> hm there is a bios update
[22:02] <RAOF> Gilou: Yeah, but Acer are the guys who write the bios (and the DSDT), right?
[22:03] <Gilou> I don't think so
[22:03] <Gilou> anyway, it doesn't matter, whoever I will ask to do it, they won't comply :p
[22:03] <Ashex> orvokki, http://pastebin.ca/970119
[22:04] <Gilou> I'll try the bios update once I'll have a CD at hand because I can't run the windows flasher..
[22:04] <balgarath> RAOF, I have a Dell Inspiron 1501, its an ATI graphics card - not all that awesome.   One sec and I'll have which card it is
[22:04] <Ashex> orvokki, line 47/48
[22:05] <pen> there is no sound in miro if i open my firefox
[22:05] <pen> how to solve this?
[22:05] <balgarath> RAOF, ATI Radeon Xpress 1100
[22:05] <Gnine> !topic
[22:05] <ubotu> Please read the channel topic whenever you enter, as it contains important information. To view it at any time after joining, simply type /topic
[22:06] <RAOF> balgarath: Hm.  I think that should work with compiz and the fglrx driver.
[22:07] <RAOF> balgarath: Have you edited your xorg.conf at any point?
[22:07] <balgarath> RAOF, nope
[22:08] <orvokki> Ashex: Still nothing.
[22:08] <Ashex> orvokki, that is really weird
[22:08] <balgarath> RAOF, think the "The Composite extension is not available" might have something to do with it? Also, on the visual effects tab - custom is not an option anymore - only none normal and extra
[22:09] <Ashex> dpkg info shows I install opera from the partner repos
[22:09] <Ashex> installed*
[22:09] <RAOF> balgarath: So, the 'custom' option will show up when you have the simple-ccsm package installed.
[22:09] <orvokki> They couldn't have removed the .deb, could they?
[22:09] <RAOF> balgarath: The Composite error is your problem, yes.
[22:09] <Ashex> orvokki, nah, that wouldn't make sense
[22:09] <e\ectro_> looks like a buncha upgrades released today.  They've been getting few and far between
[22:09] <RAOF> balgarath: Can you pastebin your /etc/X11/xorg.conf ?
[22:10] <balgarath> RAOF, will do
[22:10] <lucasvo> hi
[22:10] <lucasvo> I have a problem with my sound wifi. it looks like suddenly, after an upgrade, my soundcard and wifi kernel modules were missing
[22:11] <orvokki> Ashex: Meh, whatever. I don't need it just now.
[22:11] <orvokki> Oi.
[22:11] <lucasvo> I know that I solved this last time it occurred by installingthis package: linux-ubuntu-modules-2.6.24-12-386
[22:11] <orvokki> Ashex: Do you have i386?
[22:11] <lucasvo> this time, this does not work anymore
[22:11] <Ashex> orvokki, yeah
[22:11] <balgarath> RAOF, http://www.pastie.org/174868
[22:11] <orvokki> Ashex: I have amd64. Seems Opera has no binaries for amd64 Linux.
[22:12] <Ashex> orvokki, ah, that would make sense
[22:12] <Exilant> hm, katapult seems quite nice
[22:12] <orvokki> http://www.opera.com/download/index.dml?custom=yes This would confirm it.
[22:13] <ltracy> what is this 64kb/s download rate about in the upgrade?  Is this normal?
[22:13] <Lamego> it all depends on the mirror you are using
[22:14] <RAOF> balgarath: So, I'd suggest you remove the "Section "Extensions"" bit at the end where you explicitly disable Composite :)
[22:14] <Ashex> well, I managed a workaround for the katapult issue
[22:14] <orvokki> Ashex: Ah, well. The i386 binary worked without installing.
[22:14] <keit1> in the new nautilus that will ship with hardy is there an option to view folders with the "show in groups" like what is seen in xp.  was an ultra slick way to view your music collection
[22:14] <Ashex> launch it from terminal, hit ctrl+c to bring up dialoge, and add an alternate shortcut
[22:14] <balgarath> RAOF, will do...wonder how that got there...
[22:15] <PaulM> damnit it would be so easy, but I don't want to write a patch for xorg to fix emulatewheel to work the way I want
[22:16] <balgarath> RAOF, brb :)
[22:16] <Fade> man. trackerd is really hammering my system.
[22:17] <linux26> HOWTO create an unkillable process: open a terminal, type "totem Video/Some_movie.avi", and then go back to the terminal window and do Ctrl-C
[22:17] <linux26> HOWTO create an unkillable process: type "totem Video/Some_movie.avi", and then go back to the terminal window and do Ctrl-C
[22:17] <linux26> (sorry if I repeated the message)
[22:18] <Ashex> what's the custom desktop effects app called?
[22:18] <Ashex> I want to add a rule to not apply effects to katapult
[22:18] <linux26> Ashex: you mean the configurator?
[22:18] <Ashex> it adds a nasty border on it
[22:18] <Ashex> linux26, yeah
[22:19] <linux26> Ashex: something along the lines of compiz-*
[22:19] <Ashex> hmm
[22:19] <nemo> linux26: no such problem here
[22:19] <nemo> linux26: do you, by any chance, have any dead mount points that totem could be attempting to read?
[22:20] <nemo> linux26: like, for example, is df   hanging?
[22:20] <linux26> nemo: no, it's right in my home dir
[22:20] <nemo> that doesn't matter
[22:20] <linux26> nemo: no fs problems either
[22:20] <nemo> alrighty. well. that's the typical thing that causes an IO sleep
[22:20] <linux26> nemo: and df works just fine
[22:21] <linux26> nemo: yes, it created 10 threads and one of them is consuming 100% of my CPU power
[22:21] <nemo> ok. that's a tad unusual
[22:21] <Ashex> linux26, is it using emerald? or just kwin for window decoration
[22:21] <nemo> have you already pulled up an strace and checked lsof?
[22:21] <nemo> linux26: anything in dmesg?
[22:21] <nemo> and on stderr?
[22:21] <linux26> nemo: on stderr i got something
[22:21] <linux26> Ashex: it's compiz by default unless you've installed something else
[22:22] <Ashex> hmm
[22:22] <orvokki> Ashex: Heh, just did comparison with Acid3 test: FF3 b4 got 68/100. Opera 9.50b got 61/100 and segfaulted. ;>
[22:22] <PaulM> ok this is strange... if I change any keybinding at all with the compiz manager, it makes it so that left clicking something picks it up to move it. lovely.
[22:22] <linux26> Ashex: and unless you're using Kubuntu I think
[22:22] <Ashex> orvokki, haha, very nice
[22:22] <linux26> nemo: totem: pulsecore/thread-posix.c:194: pa_tls_set: Assertion `pthread_setspecific(t->key, userdata) == 0' failed.
[22:22] <Ashex> linux26, I'm running Kubuntu
[22:22] <nemo> orvokki: supposedly is mostly passes now, except for some stuttering issues.
[22:22] <Ashex> I'm really tempted to completely blow out my preferences
[22:22] <linux26> Ashex: I really don't know for kubuntu, sorry
[22:22] <balgarath> RAOF, works :)  I think it works better than it did before the upgrade actually
[22:22] <nemo> orvokki: given the FF3 code freeze, only FF4 will pass acid4
[22:22] <Ashex> I've been using the same home folder for the past 3 years
[22:23] <Ashex> so I've got settings from dapper still
[22:23] <orvokki> nemo: Agh, God, that might mean we already have Acid4 or Acid5 when FF4 passes Acid3...
[22:23] <linux26> Ashex: it's been a few times I've blew my prefs because my system had problems
[22:24] <linux26> nemo: nothing in dmesg
[22:24] <linux26> nemo: only that thing in stderr
[22:24] <Ashex> linux26, yeah, I'm using kopete and kgpg along with a bunch of other kde apps
[22:24] <Ashex> so I have to go into .kde and pull random files out to preserve things
[22:24] <linux26> Ashex: try _not_ deleting their config files
[22:24] <linux26> Ashex: sure
[22:25] <Ashex> linux26, yeah, I wrote a script awhile back that backed up the appropriate files
[22:25] <RAOF> balgarath: Yeah.  Xgl really isn't very nice at all ;)
[22:25] <Ashex> then I deleted it by accident because it had to sit in .kde to work properly -_-
[22:25] <Fade> the kde3-kde4 thing is iffy.
[22:25] <linux26> Ashex: ouch
[22:26] <Ashex> I was still learning bash when I was writing it, so it would die when it tried access a folder that started with a .
[22:26] <balgarath> RAOF, appreciate the help
[22:26] <Who_> Anyone got any idea why I have what looks like a dim screen but is actually the result of flickering dark horizontal lines accross the screen?
[22:26] <Who_> very thin lines
[22:27] <adlin5000> need a little help whenever I reboot evolution-data-server-2.22 process starts and runs one of my cores at 100% and I have to kill the process. I'm running 8.04 beta fully updated
[22:27] <Who_> I am on an old P2 with a Trident Cyber 9525 video controller
[22:28] <num> hello, i've done an hardy upgrade, which downloaded a new kernel 2.6.24-14, when i now boot my notebook it hangs on every new boot on a different driver. once at the iwl3945 driver loading, once at the ricoh-mmc driver. may there be something i miss or isn't done automaticaly?
[22:30] <briareos90> i tried to use update manager to upgrade to hardy , realized my net was too slow and cancelled it. But now whenever i run update manager it is showing loads of updates with packages with 'ubuntu3' in their names
[22:30] <linux26> nemo: ** I just did a kernel update | restarting system and checking if error still present
[22:30] <briareos90> is there any way i can fix this ?
[22:31] <karmelek> i can't connect my canon to ubntu 8.04
[22:31] <Lamego> interrupting a disto upgrade is *bad* :P
[22:32] <karmelek> system shows Error initializing camera: -53 when i click on camera icon
[22:33] <karmelek> i want to download my photos
[22:34] <karmelek> f-spot also could not connect to my camera
[22:34] <adlin5000> anyone else getting a runaway evolution-data-server-2.22 process?
[22:35] <jimiridge> mass storage digital cam or webcam
[22:35] <PaulM> ok that's an oddity
[22:35] <karmelek> jimiridge: it shows as a digital camera in Computer
[22:36] <PaulM> in compiz: the window menu mouse shortcut and the move window shortcut are somehow tied together
[22:36] <karmelek> it used to work some time ago
[22:36] <jimiridge> does dmesg show the cam as being detected as a mass storage possibly sda sdb block device
[22:37] <tecywiz121> hey
[22:37] <bjwebb> hi
[22:38] <tecywiz121> any one know where I can find help to install a keymap
[22:38] <karmelek> jimiridge: last few lines http://www.wklej.org/id/aac7cd12fe
[22:39] <karmelek> i disconnected it before and connected again
[22:39] <tecywiz121> PS: Hardy rox, not one gnome-settings-manager problem yet ^^
[22:39] <jimiridge> hmm thats what my webcam was showing without the driver to create the /dev/video0 link
[22:39] <karmelek> lsusb shows Bus 001 Device 008: ID 04a9:311a Canon, Inc.
[22:40] <mynyml> i just got emerald and there's no repositories tab in the settings manager. anyone here had this issue?
[22:41] <karmelek> jimiridge: i can't find nothing useful in the net
[22:41] <alan_m> I keep having to force the hardware testing to quit, is this a known issue? it keeps freezing on mouse detection, im running a hp pavilion dv1000t laptop.
[22:42] <jimiridge> karmelek, found this https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+bug/117247
[22:42] <ubotu> Launchpad bug 117247 in ubuntu "faliure to import photos from Canon S3-IS  (dup-of: 91265)" [Undecided,New]
[22:42] <ubotu> Launchpad bug 91265 in edgy-backports "backported libgphoto can't import from canon S1 IS version from egdy does" [High,Confirmed]
[22:43] <pen> do anyone know what sound engine miro is using?
[22:43] <karmelek> i didn't think to connect the error with my camera model
[22:43] <RAOF> pen: Xine, by default.
[22:43] <tecywiz121> ahhh stupid keymaps
[22:44] <pen> omg, same xine???
[22:45] <karmelek> jimiridge: i know english a little but i don't understood everything - what should i do now?
[22:45] <alan_m> nevermind, i found my solution on my own bug #203395
[22:45] <ubotu> Launchpad bug 203395 in hardware-monitor "hardward testing for laptop freezes in hardy heron at mouse test" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/203395
[22:47] <pen> is there a way to make xine support pulseaudio?
[22:47] <jimiridge> karmelek,  sudo gnome-volume-manager-gthumb %h
[22:47] <pen> both apps I use like amarok and miro can't play audio when I open Firefox or rhythmbox
[22:47] <tecywiz121> pen, theres a wrapper i think
[22:48] <pen> tecywiz121: how to do it?
[22:48] <tecywiz121> pen, lemme find it brb
[22:48] <pen> tecywiz121: thx
[22:49] <jimiridge> karmelek, and/or  sudo f-spot
[22:49] <karmelek> jimiridge: thank you so much
[22:49] <karmelek> the first one was correct
[22:49] <alan_m> jimiridge, who has control over the status of bugs? the developers?
[22:50] <jimiridge> heh i think we do
[22:50] <tecywiz121> pen, its in the libasound2-plugins deb
[22:50] <dotech> yayyy hardware is here :)!
[22:50] <dotech> time to build the best ubuntu server in the state
[22:50] <pen> tecywiz121: just install that deb?
[22:50] <alan_m> jimiridge, because i can definately change the status of bug #203395 to confirmed :)
[22:50] <ubotu> Launchpad bug 203395 in hardware-monitor "hardward testing for laptop freezes in hardy heron at mouse test" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/203395
[22:50] <alan_m> oh hush ubotu, lol
[22:50] <karmelek> jimiridge: have a nice day or night ;-)
[22:51] <jimiridge> prolly people who build packages/make deb's and upload them to the mirrors/repo's
[22:51] <DanielRM> dotech, surely any Linux server is already amongst the best in the state?
[22:51] <HorizonXP> any news on Firefox 3 beta 5?
[22:51] <tecywiz121> pen, thats part of it, to get ALSA to actually use pulseauido, you would have to edit the also config files
[22:51] <tecywiz121> pen, thats a tad beyond me, sorry
[22:51] <alan_m> ok, guess im gonna have to go track someone down heh
[22:51] <pen> oh
[22:51] <pen> tecywiz121: but thx for the help
[22:51] <dotech> DanielRM, of course
[22:51] <jimiridge> and hey what do you know that "partial upgrade nonsense form lastnight has already been fixed
[22:52] <DanielRM> :)
[22:52] <dotech> this one is special though, since it has the best user in the state ;)
[22:52] <tecywiz121> pen, no problem, at least its a start eh?
[22:52] <jimiridge> from*
[22:52] <DanielRM> lol
[22:52] <pen> tecywiz121: let me test
[22:52] <alan_m> yeah, that partial upgrade junk was driving me crazy as well jimiridge
[22:52] <DanielRM> Anyway, I think I was here for a reason...
[22:52] <pen> tecywiz121: well, still no sound
[22:52] <jimiridge> big update
[22:53] <tecywiz121> pen, found something :D
[22:53] <jimiridge> 95 pkgz
[22:53] <alan_m> jimiridge, thats kinda small actually heh
[22:53] <tecywiz121> pen, try this, https://wiki.ubuntu.com/PulseAudio , in the ALSA configuration section
[22:53] <DanielRM> Ah, yes! Has anyone here had problems with the nvidia-glx-new driver when upgrading to the latest kernel in Hardy?
[22:54] <dotech> i'll find out, i have 2 of those cards in here.
[22:54] <dotech> its not really a server, its a desktop hehe
[22:54] <pen> tecywiz121: k
[22:54] <DanielRM> lol
[22:54] <orvokki> DanielRM: Did you remember to install linux-restricted-modules for your new kernel?
[22:55] <tecywiz121> pen, Does that help at all?
[22:55] <pen> tecywiz121: do I need to logout first?
[22:56] <Exilant> btw, is there any eta for the new restricted modules?
[22:56] <DanielRM> Ah, it wasn't installed by apt-get at the time of the upgrade, as I've just found out. Downloading now, so should hopefully fix it.
[22:56] <pen> tecywiz121: :D it works now
[22:56] <pen> tecywiz121: works like a charm
[22:56] <pen> tecywiz121: thx
[22:56] <tecywiz121> pen, really?  Thats awesome :)
[22:57] <Zelut> this page refers to upgrading via the alternate CD:
[22:57] <Zelut> https://help.ubuntu.com/community/HardyUpgrades#head-7311a7de9fdf1ca310c6937460c0a9d33f54279d
[22:57] <DanielRM> Just finished installing, so will reboot in to the new kernel.
[22:57] <DanielRM> Thanks. :)
[22:57] <Zelut> is this supported for LTS to LTS?
[22:59] <Flannel> Zelut: It should be, yes.
[22:59] <Zelut> Flannel: I'll give 'er a test then.  I'm doing a series on upgrading on ubuntu-tutorials during the 3 week countdown :)
[23:01] <|DuReX|> http://pastebin.com/m61491e91 <- my dmesg output, I have no id how to solve this :( somebody could help me ?
[23:01] <Flannel> Zelut: I filed a bug (that was since resolved) regarding kernel metapackages for D->H (all the old arches), so if the script itself doesn't work, you still ought to be able to do it by hand (change sources, dist-upgrade)
[23:03] <Flannel> Zelut: From the .list file though, doesn't look like those changes were put into the beta.  Be sure to file a bug, or when I get home, I'll wrestle up the number for you, and you can comment.  Since all those transitional packages should be there for upgrades without the script
[23:03] <pen> Do anyone here experience slow down in performance when you use any mozillla products? like firefox or thunderbird?
[23:03] <Zelut> Flannel: ok, I'll test it and see what I come up with.
[23:04] <Zelut> pen: I find FF3bX much faster than it was previously..
[23:04] <pen> Zelut: for me it's not, it slows down my system and crash very often
[23:04] <pen> Zelut: I don't know why
[23:05] <patifa> Could someone tell me what they see for a specific location in the world clock?
[23:06] <Zelut> pen: don't know what to tell you.. haven't had the same problem.
[23:06] <pen> Zelut: do you use compiz with emerald?
[23:06] <Zelut> pen: I don't have any effects on, no.
[23:07] <DanielRM> pen: I use Compiz and Emerald. Why?
[23:07] <pen> DanielRM: I don't know why firefox is slowing down my compiz so much. And if I turn compiz off firefox would be fast again
[23:07] <pen> DanielRM: why?
[23:08] <pen> It shouldn't be the problem
[23:08] <DanielRM> pen: Wait, say that again: is it Fx slowing down Compiz or vice-versa?
[23:08] <pen> I don't know
[23:08] <DanielRM> pen: Well, do you have a slow Compiz with Fx closed?
[23:09] <pen> DanielRM: the opposite, I have a smooth compiz anomation if I close FF or thunderbird
[23:09] <pen> *animation
[23:09] <DanielRM> pen: Sounds like Gecko slowing down Compiz, then.
[23:09] <jk_> i neeeed some help my ubuntu wont boot i get a busy box shell
[23:09] <patifa> jk_ any errors?
[23:10] <DanielRM> pen: Perhaps an extension you have installed on either or both? Badly coded ones can be a real pain in the backside for performance.
[23:10] <pen> DanielRM: is there a safemode in firefox?
[23:10] <patifa> I know of one great way involving ASUS and SATA to drop to busybox in hardy all the time.
[23:10] <jk_> patifa, nothing at all, just boots normally, the loading bar comes and then into busy box shell
[23:11] <DanielRM> pen: Hmmm, on Windows there is. Let me just check the terminal for Ubuntu.
[23:11] <DanielRM> pen: yes.
[23:11] <DanielRM> pen: firefox -safe-mode
[23:11] <patifa> First install of hardy, or new?
[23:11] <patifa> (for jk_)
[23:11] <pen> DanielRM: k, thx
[23:12] <patifa> errr, "or not?"
[23:12] <jk_> patifa, it has been working fine for a week or so
[23:13] <patifa> did you just do an update?
[23:13] <jk_> i updated it this earlier this evening,  i have had multiple restarts into windows with no problem
[23:14] <pen> DanielRM: still, firefox make compiz choppy
[23:14] <patifa> You may have updated and gotten a kernel/driver mixup.
[23:15] <b4l74z4r> i'm trying to install a wine .deb file with gdebi and it says that libldap2 dependency is not satisfiable, i installed libldap2 with synaptic but i still get the error message in gdebi, what is wrong?
[23:15] <patifa> I nearly shot myself in the foot with the updater yesterday.
[23:15] <aaahhh> so kernel update
[23:15] <aaahhh> it puts that the kernel is server
[23:15] <aaahhh> in grub
[23:15] <aaahhh> even though the package is generic
[23:15] <DanielRM> pen: Hmmm. You're using the latest version of your gfx card driver, I assume. System specs?
[23:16] <patifa> jk_ can you still use grub to boot the old kernel version?
[23:16] <pen> DanielRM: Core 2 Duo T5450, 8400M GS
[23:16] <pen> DanielRM: isn't that good enough?
[23:16] <beshy> is anyone here familiar with touchpad malfunctions? mine flat out doesn't work and causes the keyboard to become unresponsive if touched
[23:16] <jk_> well, i just booted into windows and restarted it is now working. i am so relieved
[23:16] <pen> DanielRM: I think it's not with my spec but FF itself
[23:16] <pen> DanielRM: Memory Leak probably...
[23:16] <patifa> Magic kernel repair again? dang
[23:17] <DanielRM> pen: That sounds more than good enough, so probably memory leak, yes.
[23:17] <pen> DanielRM: dang
[23:17] <DanielRM> pen: Although they were supposed to have fixed most of the leaks.
[23:17] <pen> DanielRM: I hate that
[23:17] <patifa> I just saw one of those on the website where someone says they didn't change a thing and another reboot made it magically work. :P
[23:17] <jk_> i am on the verge of permanently switching to ubuntu, dont want any hickhops
[23:17] <pen> DanielRM: I suppose FF is fast but I'm wrong with compiz
[23:17] <jk_> the magic of reboot
[23:17] <gluer> updates broke my nvidia res, back at 800*600
[23:18] <jk_> i got that too gluer
[23:18] <jk_> but i fixed it
[23:18] <gluer> jk: how?
[23:18] <mc-george> guys, does anyone know if the headphone jack sensing problem is fixed in 8.04?
[23:18] <pen> DanielRM: is there a way to exclude FF in compiz so compiz won't render all that animation on FF?
[23:18] <DanielRM> pen: Try Opera. It's not open-source, annoyingly, but I found it a brilliant browser when I used it, and relatively low memory usage. I switched to Fx after accidentally vowing not to use proprietary software. -_-
[23:18] <jk_> i added some lines in my xorg.conf and its working fine
[23:18] <pen> DanielRM: ok
[23:18] <DanielRM> pen: Let me have a look. Depends on which effects.
[23:18] <gluer> jk: which card do you use?
[23:19] <DanielRM> pen: Which effects do you apply?
[23:19] <jk_> 7300gt
[23:19] <gluer> im using a 7600
[23:19] <pen> DanielRM: you mean animation?
[23:19] <DanielRM> pen: Yes.
[23:19] <jk_> i did not install any nvidia drivers, just using what came as standard when i installed hardy
[23:19] <pen> DanielRM: Vacuum, Dodge, and Magic lamb
[23:20] <pen> *lamp
[23:20] <gluer> yeh me too
[23:20] <jk_> just tweaked the xorg
[23:20] <jk_> what is the desired res you want gluer
[23:20] <m1r> hello , anyone having problems with instlling amarok on 8.04 ?
[23:20] <DanielRM> pen: Vacuum and Dodge?
[23:20] <pen> DanielRM: yea
[23:21] <patifa> oh and gluer: If the res you're about to pick breaks everything and makes the screen unreadable, use the fix X mode in the recovery mode to make things happy again.
[23:21] <gluer> jk: 1680*1050
[23:21] <askand> Is there a way I can change the way it works whn I start type something in the adressbar to make it work like in firefox 2?
[23:21] <DanielRM> pen: Ah.
[23:22] <gluer> sudo dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg
[23:22] <gluer> jk:
[23:22] <gluer> is that correct
[23:22] <mc-george> does anyone know if the headphone jack sensing problem is fixed in 8.04?
[23:22] <crimsun> mc-george: could you be more precise, please?  There are /so/ many jack sensing issues.
[23:22] <jk_> gluer, yeah
[23:23] <mc-george> crimsun: distorted noise all the time
[23:23] <mrooney> hello everyone, I just installed IronPython but I can't figure out how to run it, I would expect there to be a command like ironpython or ironpythonconsole, but neither appear to work, anyone know?
[23:23] <jk_> that worked for me, but in hardy it does not offer any graphics options at all
[23:23] <gluer> jk: this is the 3rd time an update has broken the res..
[23:23] <pen> DanielRM: hm, I disble animation for FF and now the rest of the window is faster
[23:23] <pen> DanielRM: :)
[23:23] <crimsun> mc-george: I'm still in need of much more detail.
[23:23] <DanielRM> pen: So problem solved? I wasn't much help if so.
[23:23] <pen> DanielRM: I think so
[23:24] <jk_> oh my res did not work when i installed the first time, tweaked it and then it workd. and i updated and it went back.
[23:24] <mc-george> crimsun: whenever my headphones are plugged in, I hear random white noise, even with music and movies playing
[23:24] <pen> DanielRM: but I still thx for inspiration :)
[23:24] <DanielRM> pen: OK. Sorry I couldn't help more, but glad you got it sorted. :)
[23:24] <askand> what is Ubuntu 8.04.1?
[23:24] <pen> DanielRM: btw, can you do that partial update?
[23:24] <crimsun> mc-george: please run the alsa-info.sh script referenced on DebuggingSoundProblems
[23:24] <jk_> gluer, i am actually goin got mess it up again and see how i fixed it
[23:24] <patifa> WTF?  about:config in firefox talks about "Voding my warrenty"
[23:24] <crimsun> askand: it's the point release
[23:24] <askand> is it hardy+½ or something?
[23:24] <DanielRM> pen: Yes, but I had to use sudo apt-get dist-upgrade rather than the GUI tool.
[23:24] <gluer> jk: ok
[23:24] <mc-george> crimsun: I'm sorry, I don't know how to do that
[23:25] <pen> DanielRM: so command prompt worked?
[23:25] <crimsun> mc-george: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/DebuggingSoundProblems
[23:25] <DanielRM> pen: Yes, eventually.
[23:26] <pen> DanielRM: Is it a good update?
[23:26] <mc-george> crimsun: do I run in terminal?
[23:26] <crimsun> mc-george: using bash, yes.
[23:26] <DanielRM> pen: Actually, I don't know yet. I need to reboot into the new kernel - had a bit of trouble with the nvidia driver at first so I'm currently in the earlier kernel.
[23:26] <crimsun> mc-george: please read the directions.
[23:26] <DanielRM> pen: It boots quicker, though.
[23:26] <askand> crimsun:  ok so even after 8.04 bugs that isnt sexurity bugs will keep getting fixed (unlike in gutsy) until 8.04.1?
[23:27] <DanielRM> 'Sexurity'... Sounds kinky.
[23:27] <askand> after 8.04 release*
[23:27] <askand> haha
[23:27] <crimsun> askand: 8.04.1 will be whatever hardy-updates + hardy-security also holds.
[23:27] <DanielRM> XD
[23:27] <pen> DanielRM: oh, you mean you can't install NVIDIA driver in new kernel?
[23:28] <askand> crimsun: unlike gutsy that is only what gutsy-security holds?
[23:28] <orvokki> DanielRM: Hmm, did you answer that question I had to you about it? Didn't see it.
[23:28] <crimsun> askand: why do you refer to gutsy?  No.
[23:28] <jk_> gluer you still there
[23:28] <mc-george> crimsun:  http://pastebin.ca/970250
[23:29] <DanielRM> pen: Basically, I have it working perfectly in this kernel - correct driver and so on. The restricted modules image didn't install though, and I didn't notice, and so the nvidia driver didn't work - x couldn't use it. I installed restricted modules and I still need to reboot to see if that's fixed it.
[23:29] <orvokki> Ah, yes. Apparently you did.
[23:29] <askand> crimsun: Hm, as I understand it gutsy (and feisty) does not get bug fixed if the bugs are not bugs that makes the system unsecure, is that right?
[23:29] <crimsun> mc-george: ...you haven't downloaded a daily-live iso to test?
[23:29] <pen> DanielRM: is it linux-restricted-modules-generic?
[23:30] <mc-george> crimsun: I was told not to touch 8.04
[23:30] <DanielRM> pen: Yes.
[23:30] <pen> DanielRM: I just want to make sure
[23:30] <pen> DanielRM: alright
[23:30] <DanielRM> pen: Good luck. :)
[23:30] <pen> DanielRM: how about the new OO?
[23:30] <crimsun> mc-george: using the desktop (daily-live) iso should be fine.  It's a live cd.
[23:30] <pen> DanielRM: do you like it?
[23:30] <mc-george> crimsun: where should I download it?
[23:30] <DanielRM> pen: There's a new OO? I hadn't noticed. :S
[23:31] <pen> DanielRM: yea, I see updates for it
[23:31] <DanielRM> pen: Thought they were just theme updates, although I didn't look at them properly. Still, looks OK.
[23:32] <pen> DanielRM: i see
[23:32] <crimsun> mc-george: http://cdimage.ubuntu.com/daily-live/current/
[23:32] <askand> crimsun: and that means that if I have a bug that is not fixed when hardy is released there is still a chanse of getting it fixed before the 8.04.1 release (Unlike in for example gutsy, where my bugs would not get fixed after release if they werent securitybugs).. just trying to understand what 8.04.1 is :)
[23:32] <crimsun> mc-george: i.e., please just run the image.  Don't install Hardy using it.
[23:33] <crimsun> askand: no, Ubuntu also makes available non-security errata.
[23:33] <crimsun> askand: i.e., a trivially fixed non-security issue is also done
[23:33] <mc-george> crimsun; doesn't offer much speed
[23:33] <rbanffy> Hi folks. My X is not detecting the monitor attached to VGA port on notebook. Video is SiS 650. Where do I officially report a bug? Under Gutsy I have a mergedfb setting that sort of works, but I would like the monitor to use a different resolution from the one on the LCD.
[23:33] <askand> crimsun: I see, then soemone else wasnt telling the truth :) thanks
[23:33] <Roey> hi
[23:34] <plurt> hm .. my inittab has dissapeared sincecompleting upgrade to hardy
[23:34] <crimsun> mc-george: we're not concerned with speed, no?  We're concerned with whether your jack sense issue is resolved.  And that doesn't require zoom.
[23:34] <Roey> has anyone been able to get a resolution higher than 800x600 for Ubuntu 8.04 under KVM ??
[23:34] <mc-george> crimsun: is there a torrent available that would be faster?
[23:35] <plurt> how do I replace my inittab
[23:35] <crimsun> mc-george: no, but you could try another mirror, like se.archive
[23:35] <h3sp4wn> Roey: Yep
[23:35] <Jordan_U> Is there a simple way to trigger an apport crash report, or to simulate one? ( I am trying to file a bug against apport and I would like to include instructions for reproducing the problem )
[23:36] <mc-george> crimsun: how do I select another mirror?
[23:36] <Roey> h3sp4wn:  I can't
[23:36] <Roey> h3sp4wn:  what am I doing wrong
[23:36] <h3sp4wn> Roey: With working 3d also - http://www.cs.toronto.edu/~andreslc/xen-gl/
[23:36] <Roey> hrm
[23:36] <Roey> ok
[23:36] <Roey> h3sp4wn:  for ubuntu?
[23:37] <h3sp4wn> Yeah it works for xen or kvm
[23:37] <Roey> h3sp4wn:  so what did you do, just install it from bz2 ??
[23:37] <Roey> or is there an ubuntu repo?
[23:37] <h3sp4wn> I installed it from source I dunno whether its necessary
[23:38] <patifa> mc-george: They don't publish torrent files for daily builds, I don't think.  Who would seed them?
[23:38] <crimsun> Jordan_U: ask bdmurray or pitti
[23:38] <h3sp4wn> even but I can run it at 1600x1200
[23:38] <mc-george> patifa, I'm just trying to find alternate mirrors to dwonload daily builds
[23:38] <Killeroid> hi, anyone know what file to manually edit to change which wireless interface is enabled by which module?
[23:39] <crimsun> Jordan_U: OTOH, you can write simple C that does a double free().
[23:39] <mc-george> crimsun: where can I select different mirrors?
[23:40] <Roey> h3sp4wn:  do you know if they plan to incorporate it into ubuntu proper
[23:40] <Roey> ?
[23:40] <Jordan_U> crimsun, Ahh, I thought apps had to register with apport
[23:40] <h3sp4wn> Roey: No idea
[23:40] <plurt> ok, seems ubuntu doesn't use inittab anymore, but then why does hardy complain about it at boot?
[23:41] <h3sp4wn> Roey: If they were probably it would be next release now
[23:41] <Roey> ok
[23:41] <Roey> seems logical.
[23:41] <h3sp4wn> I was pleasantly surprised though
[23:42] <Roey> seems like too muchw ork
[23:42] <Roey> does it accelerate 2d too?
[23:42] <crimsun> mc-george: a slightly older one at http://se.archive.ubuntu.com/releases/hardy/
[23:42] <patifa> mc-george: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Mirrors#head-fab4d6d35e31eee0ed63a5a43bbcba28d8a01c25
[23:43] <crimsun> Jordan_U: I'm not the definitive source on apport, so please consult the references I referred to above.
[23:43] <Jordan_U> crimsun, Would it be rude to PM them?
[23:44] <h3sp4wn> Roey: Of course
[23:44] <Roey> h3sp4wn:  hrm interesting!
[23:45] <nemo> orvokki: don't worry. IE8 has as its goal CSS2 support :)
[23:45] <orvokki> :P
[23:45] <mc-george> crimsun: I tried the beta and it gave me now sound, so should I just hope this nightly has fixed that bug?
[23:45] <crimsun> Jordan_U: well, Martin is likely, asleep, but Brian is still awake.
[23:46] <Jordan_U> crimsun, I'll experiment a bit ( double free didn't trigger apport BTW )
[23:47] <alex_mayorga> can anyone help me get my video back?
[23:48] <alex_mayorga> I'm bitten by Bug #146706
[23:48] <ubotu> Launchpad bug 146706 in xserver-xorg-video-nv "[Hardy alpha 6] Live cd graphics fail with nvidia geforce4 440 go " [High,Triaged] https://launchpad.net/bugs/146706
[23:49] <crimsun> Jordan_U: did you set the glibc environment variable?
[23:49] <crimsun> Jordan_U: (meaning the malloc/free one)
[23:49] <mc-george> crimsun: off topic, but do you know where gnome volume control is?
[23:49] <crimsun> mc-george: please clarify?
[23:50] <Jordan_U> crimsun, No, to be honest I don't know what that does.
[23:50] <mc-george> crimsun: I found a tutorial that says 1.- open the gnome-volume-control I don't know where that is
[23:50] <crimsun> mc-george: it's the speaker icon in the upper right corner of your top panel.
[23:50] <alex_mayorga> mc-george I think thats the speaker icon on the top right corner, isn't it?
[23:51] <h3sp4wn> That presumes its there though (I lost all the icons I didn't manually put back recently)
[23:52] <mc-george> crimsun: I found this guide: https://answers.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/gnome-media/+question/12261
[23:52] <mc-george> but it doesn't have headphonejack sense in options
[23:52] <crimsun> (if you remove your local gconf cache for gnome-panel, the icons should reappear at next login.)
[23:53] <crimsun> mc-george: it wouldn't.  Very few codec drivers actually expose it.
[23:53] <Jordan_U> crimsun, Found a way to trigger apport ( in the comments of a similar bug report against apport )
[23:53] <alex_mayorga> can anyone give me a hand to regain at least vesa video? this rainbowish effect is making me dizzy :(
[23:53] <mc-george> crimsun: so I should burn the nightly and run as live and hope it fixes the problem?
[23:54] <ender> I can't seem to get a restricted driver to work with the upgrade, it won't enable because of a firmware problem
[23:54] <h3sp4wn> alex_mayorga: If you do sudo init s
[23:54] <h3sp4wn> you should get a choice for a failsafe X
[23:54] <alex_mayorga> h3sp4wm, that command exactly?
[23:55] <h3sp4wn> ''sudo init s''
[23:55] <alex_mayorga> let me try
[23:55] <alex_mayorga> that "putter" is in other room and b43 only has 1 room range as of now :(
[23:55] <mc-george> crimsun: I've never burned an iso on ubuntu before
[23:55] <Jordan_U> ender, b43?
[23:56] <crimsun> mc-george: you'll see that when you insert a blank CD, things will just work.
[23:56] <ender> yeah!
[23:56] <ender> totally!
[23:56] <mc-george> crimsun: should I select slowest speed?
[23:56] <crimsun> mc-george: if you're unsure, leave the settings alone.  The defaults should be sane.
[23:57] <alex_mayorga> h3sp4wn, didn't help I do get a menu, but I cannot move on it to selext xfix
[23:57] <mc-george> crimsun: ok, just wondering since I'm burning to a CD-RW how I erase it after
[23:57] <h3sp4wn> alex_mayorga: Broken keyboard ?
[23:57] <alex_mayorga> more like video
[23:58] <alex_mayorga> I still have tty2 to try something else
[23:58] <rbanffy> Hi folks. My X is not detecting the monitor attached to VGA port on notebook. Video is SiS 650. Where do I officially report a bug? Under Gutsy I have a mergedfb setting that sort of works, but I would like the monitor to use a different resolution from the one on the LCD.
[23:58] <h3sp4wn> I don't understand the problem then
[23:58] <alex_mayorga> is like the video overflows the screen borders or something like that
[23:58] <ender> Jordan_U: exactly
[23:58] <crimsun> mc-george: just choose to erase it when you insert it next time.
[23:58] <Jordan_U> ender, Are there any .fw files in /lib/firmware ?
[23:58] <Gilou> rbanffy> are you sure that your laptop supports that?
[23:58] <crimsun> mc-george: (although I wouldn't necessarily erase it the precise next time)
[23:58] <alex_mayorga> h3sp4wn, I just need to force my system to use vesa driver
[23:58] <alex_mayorga> I just don't know how
[23:59] <mc-george> crimsun: why not?
[23:59] <h3sp4wn> Just select the xfix option
[23:59] <h3sp4wn> with they keyboard
[23:59] <ender> Jordan_U: bcm43xx_microcode11.fw