=== dieman_ is now known as dieman [00:08] Caesar, pawalls: doh, I'm not awake, the glib and gvfs I pointed before, it should not use a ! before the strcmp comparaison [00:08] seb128, *nods* [00:08] Caesar, pawalls: could you remove the ! in the glib change and try again? [00:09] seb128, That was what I was going to do :-P [00:09] seb128, However I'm wrapped up with another bug at the moment. Was hoping to get to it within the next 30 mins. [00:09] pawalls: ok, it's 1am here so I'll not be around for a while but I'll try to wait a bit, I would like to know if that fixes the issue [00:11] seb128, Ok.. give me just a second then. [00:11] pawalls: thanks! [00:13] Unpacking mktemp (from .../mktemp_1.5-5ubuntu1_i386.deb) ... [00:13] dpkg: error processing /var/cache/apt/archives/mktemp_1.5-5ubuntu1_i386.deb (--unpack): [00:13] trying to overwrite `/bin/mktemp', which is also in package debianutils [00:13] * infinity boggles that this hasn't been fixed yet... [00:14] Wait.. [00:14] slangasek: Dude, your changelog claims to have fixed the above bug, but I see no Replaces in the control info... [00:17] seb128, FYI.. g_get_home_dir returns the exact entry from passwd, which (generally) doesn't have a '/' at the end. [00:17] slangasek: Another case of "write the changelog before the fix, get distracted, upload"? :) === iceman is now known as gluck [00:17] hmm, odd [00:17] So if you had two users (pawalls and pawalls2 let's say), they one user would get the mounts of the other. [00:18] seb128, My understanding based on looking at the glib code. [00:18] infinity: well first of all, it hasn't "been fixed yet" because it was un-fixed post-etch in the Debian package [00:18] so we might want to change that to "%s/", g_get_home_dir() === gluck is now known as Iceman [00:18] as for how I missed it in the upload, ... no idea [00:19] pawalls: well, neither the mount_point nor the user directory should have it no? [00:19] seb128, You're using 'has_prefix' [00:19] Which means.. if someone mounted /home/pawalls2/something it would show up for pawalls [00:19] slangasek: Yeah, I know it was unfixed, I assumed mvo's upgrade testing would have caught it eons ago, that's all. :) [00:19] Which is why the trailing / is important. [00:20] pawalls: ah, that's a good point [00:20] * pawalls nods. [00:22] ... and now all my postinst scripts are segfaulting. === Iceman is now known as gluck [00:22] seb128, Of course it is ;-) [00:28] pawalls: so it's working better now? [00:28] seb128, compiling. [00:29] ok [00:41] seb128, Appears to have worked.. let me confirm on my other box so I can log completely out/into gnome [00:42] pawalls: excellent, thanks [00:46] infinity: mktemp fixed some more [00:48] slangasek: "Slightly more fixed"? :) [00:48] slangasek: (Thanks!) [00:49] seb128, Looks good. [00:49] seb128, Thanks again. [00:50] seb128, I do recommend also adding the '/' onto the end of that comparison though. [00:50] Caesar, pawalls: ok, so nothing weird about the config you are using, that was just a typo in the suggested changed ;-) Sorry for the extra rebuilds, etc [00:50] pawalls: thanks [00:50] seb128, Yeah.. I wasn't really paying much attention earlier. [00:51] seb128, I told Ceasar I would hack up a patch and then kinda drifted onto other things. [00:51] pawalls: http://bugzilla.gnome.org/show_bug.cgi?id=525866 btw [00:51] Gnome bug 525866 in gio "the user directory should not be considered as a mount to display" [Normal,Unconfirmed] [00:51] pawalls: both issues are described there [00:51] pawalls: I'll get the fix in hardy tomorrow [00:51] seb128, Great! [00:52] seb128, Thanks again for your help. [00:52] pawalls: you are welcome! and thanks for pointing the issue and testing the change ;-) [00:53] enough for today [00:53] good night everybody, see you tomorrow [01:45] slangasek: I'll be your VERY BEST FRIEND, if you do NEW processing for LRM (I fiddled with queues to make sure it built everywhere, should be good to go) [02:05] * keescook slaps himself === runur changed the topic of #ubuntu-devel to: asdas === runur changed the topic of #ubuntu-devel to: Archive: Feature Freeze, DocumentationStringFreeze | Ubuntu 8.04 LTS Beta released | Development of Ubuntu (not support, not application development on Ubuntu) | #ubuntu for support and general discussion for dapper/edgy/feisty/gutsy, #ubuntu+1 for hardy | #ubuntu-motu for getting involved in development | http://wiki.ubuntu.com/UbuntuDevelopment | See #ubuntu-bugs for http://wiki [02:12] BFF-infinity: done === foka__ is now known as foka_ [03:33] I want to install codeblock (C++ IDE) [03:34] dpkg -i libcodeblocks0_8.02-0ubuntu1_i386.deb [03:34] libcodeblocks0 depends on libwxgtk2.8-0 (>= 2.8.7); however: [03:34] what do I do? [03:35] :-X:-( [03:42] Khajavi: try apt-get -f install [03:44] protonchris: this command didn't work === kitterma is now known as ScottK2 [04:38] Are there any plans to incorporate some incremental apt system? (zsync or similar) [04:40] There seems someone made a start on it ~7.04 https://blueprints.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+spec/apt-sync but it looks stalled [04:45] best mobo for linux? [04:46] * RAOF fails to see how that's a question relating to the development of Ubuntu. [04:51] any plans to include webmin back to the repo since it has been maintained already? [04:56] rhineheart_m: I doubt it, we have ebox [05:06] LaserJock, but ebox has limited features.. and I guess it is still immature [05:09] so LP provides openID -- is it going to consume it? [05:09] pwnguin: "not at this time" [05:10] rhineheart_m: well, if webmin's getting maintained in Debian it might come back. We dropped it when Debian did [05:11] LaserJock: so now it's a game of which is the longer timeline "eventually" (as in, eventually we see LP being open sourced) or "not at this time" [05:12] pwnguin: I don't think it really matters either way [05:12] can you recommend the use of ISPConfig for ubuntu-server ed? [05:13] rhineheart_m: I've set it up and used it under 6.06 but it was a headache to get operating correctly [05:13] the point of the openID stuff was to allow various things (like forums, wiki, Fridge) to authenticat using LP [05:14] what about QA? [05:14] genii, uhuh. really? but have you tried it with gutsy? or anybody here uses ISPConfig and has something to share too? [05:16] rhineheart_m: I go from LTS to LTS so not bothering with 7.10 server. When 8.04 release comes I'll attempt it again if you want a review later [05:16] pwnguin: the Ubuntu QA sites? [05:16] genii, is that a server? are you using it for server? [05:17] rhineheart_m: Yes [05:18] genii, is there something wrong with 7.10? [05:18] LaserJock: yea [05:22] rhineheart_m: Probably not anything the matter with 7.10 server, just a matter of personal preference for me to stay with 6.06 until next LTS (8.04) [05:23] genii, okay.. I got you.. so the next stable LTS version of ubuntu is 8.04 (Hardy)... any idea when it will be made available? [05:24] rhineheart_m: April 24 apparently [05:24] okay.. so I will wait for its release.. I am actually to try debian.. [05:28] genii, have you tried debian/? [05:29] rhineheart_m: Not on any of my personal boxes but I have to minimally deal with it on two servers [05:33] genii, are you hosing several domains in your box? [05:34] rhineheart_m: There were previously 3 domains for those two machines, it's since been reduced to one [05:35] okay.. how do you manage multiple domains in one box? [05:36] rhineheart_m: Primary and scondary DNS answering to those domain name lookups, virtual hosts in apache and postfix [05:36] pwnguin: yeah, I imagine that would be a big part to. Anything we can get an openID module/plugin for. [05:37] genii, okay.. I used actually webmin to do the task. I thought you're using something different.. [05:38] rhineheart_m: We ssh in and do everything in CLI [05:40] Since we are drifting OT and there seems no answer to my original question I'll leave you all to be [06:31] good morning === asac_ is now known as asac [06:55] Good morning [07:13] Good morning === hunger_t is now known as hunger [07:34] When will bzrzools become installable again? It always fails to install here (it keeps failing in "Preparing to replace bzrtools 1.0-1ubuntu3) [07:35] make that 1.2.0, not 1.0. [07:37] bug 201978 [07:37] Launchpad bug 201978 in python-central "pycentral crashed with OSError in prepare()" [Medium,Triaged] https://launchpad.net/bugs/201978 [08:21] hey seb128 [08:22] lut kagou [08:43] Riddell, ping [09:00] <\sh> moins... [09:00] <\sh> did anyone saw a break in d-i kernels and broadcom netextreme bcm5704 gbit nics on yesterdays daily (ubuntu-server flavour) [09:01] <\sh> s/saw/see/ [09:01] Good morning [09:01] Howdy [09:01] <\sh> hey pitti [09:03] hey pitti [09:04] <\sh> ogra_cmpc, do you need somehow the debian-edu package? [09:04] no [09:06] <\sh> ogra_cmpc, well, it ftbfs on lpia and amd64... [09:06] <\sh> ogra_cmpc, that's why I'm asking [09:08] \sh, nothing to do with me, its the defaults for the debian-edu cd/distro [09:14] <\sh> cjwatson, where can I find the udeb for the NIC drivers which are loaded from d-i during install? I thought they were under pool/main/l/linux/ [09:30] calc: any chance to fix bug 114503 before you upload o-l10n? [09:30] Launchpad bug 114503 in ubuntu-meta "language-support-* packages depend on Firefox, Thunderbird and Open Office Writer on Ubuntu and Kubuntu" [Undecided,Invalid] https://launchpad.net/bugs/114503 [09:30] it's trivial, but serious [09:30] trivial to fix, I mean [09:31] hello all [09:31] calc: ah, you uploaded already [09:31] doko_: hi [09:34] Keybuk: can you say a bit more about your "answer" in bug 211159? :) [09:34] Launchpad bug 211159 in udev "prevent create_devices in postinst from failing" [Low,Won't fix] https://launchpad.net/bugs/211159 [09:35] <\sh> damn...looks like yesterdays iso of ubuntu-server is borked [09:36] Why did this morning's upgrade throw me back to ubuntulooks, and apparently remove the option to go back to the much nicer Human/Murrine? [09:37] Fujitsu: because ubuntulooks looks better and the other themes were buggy [09:37] <\sh> Fujitsu, that was announced... [09:37] Fujitsu: and it has been decided to roll back [09:37] though I agree that could have kept the corresponding gtkrc variants, didn't hurt [09:37] you need to ask to kwwii and mvo about that [09:38] I knew the default was being changed, but I didn't think it'd remove the option. [09:38] ubuntulooks looks a whole lot worse, IMO. [09:38] Fujitsu: that's a joke, right? the other theme had blue tooltips and some very visible bugs [09:38] Erm? My tooltips were a pleasant orange. [09:39] I had blue at some places [09:39] that was not tooltips I think [09:39] but the nautilus bars at the top of the burn location for example [09:39] Hmm, that was orange too. [09:40] I didn't have anything in blue either [09:40] maybe you used an another theme than me [09:40] dholbach: ? [09:40] dholbach: vserver prevents the postinst from creating device nodes [09:40] anyway I'm not the one who decided [09:40] udev cannot work without those device nodes [09:40] therefore the postinst has to fail [09:40] and I think ubuntulooks looks better [09:41] ah [09:41] it looks like Launchpad rudely discarded my comment [09:41] mvo: lts-ubuntu> eww [09:42] Keybuk: ok, thanks [09:42] pitti: yeah :( [09:42] mvo: does it get much better if removed packages get purged? [09:43] pitti: interessting questions, I can test that in a bit [09:43] dholbach: sometimes I think I put the comment under the add a comment bit, and then change the status [09:43] LP UI bug :-/ [09:44] Keybuk: np [09:45] dholbach: if postinst fails in create_devices, you won't have /dev/null, /dev/console and other useful things ;) [09:46] Keybuk: I just purged udev - I just thought it'd be useful if udev didn't break in postinst - but I agree it's a special case where it probably doesn't make sense [09:46] calc: hi, are you online ? I'm backporting OpenOffice 2.4 to Ubuntu 7.10 (Gutsy), maybe you already did this job ? [09:46] that would mask failures on legitimate systems, e.g. disk full [09:46] *nod* fine with me [09:47] Fujitsu, orange ? do you have edubuntu-artwork installed ? that uses orange and a dark red by default [09:47] ogra_cmpc: It was the correct Ubuntu orange. No, I don't have it installed. [09:47] ah, k [09:50] doko_: or maybe you can tell me something about OOo 2.4 backport to Gutsy ? [09:53] mantiena-baltix: no, do you want to make one? [09:56] doko_: I'm backporting OpenOffice 2.4 to Ubuntu 7.10 (Gutsy) now :) (firsty try was unsuccessful because of incorrect build-deps - mono-1.0-dev doesn't exist in gutsy). I'm wondering maybe someone already did this job and I don't need to backport openoffice 2.4 ? [09:57] mantiena-baltix: no, don't know of anybody who did it [09:58] <\sh> cjwatson, it seems, something went wrong with the ubuntu-server daily cd building yesterday... [09:59] doko_: ok, then I will replace mono-1.0-devel and mono-2.0-devel dependancies with ones from gutsy and try again :) [10:03] mjg59: I think that in conjunction with doing the network module unload on suspend, we should do an init.d/networking restart on resume, otherwise some things get very confused [10:03] mjg59: i.e. the manual network configurmatron sees no devices on resume without restarting networking [10:08] \sh: they are. nic-modules [10:08] \sh: I imagine it's just kernel version out of sync with d-i [10:08] happens === cjwatson changed the topic of #ubuntu-devel to: Archive: Feature Freeze, DocumentationStringFreeze | Ubuntu 8.04 LTS Beta released | Development of Ubuntu (not support, not application development on Ubuntu) | #ubuntu for support and general discussion for dapper/edgy/feisty/gutsy, #ubuntu+1 for hardy | #ubuntu-motu for getting involved in development | http://wiki.ubuntu.com/UbuntuDevelopment | See #ubuntu-bugs for http://wiki.ubuntu.com/HelpingWithBugs [10:09] <\sh> cjwatson, yep..looks like... [10:09] doko_: btw, maybe you know when calc will be online ? [10:10] mantiena-baltix, US timezone ... rather in your afternoon [10:10] <\sh> cjwatson, the nic-modules packages are missing (well more then 3/4 of the packages in this dir are missing...) I think it was really the -14 upload which bugged ... coincidence [10:10] \sh: it's not buggy. [10:11] ogra_cmpc: thanks [10:11] \sh: it's just that we haven't uploaded d-i to match it yet. [10:11] \sh: please don't file a bug about this - this always happens if we don't get the timing just right. [10:13] <\sh> cjwatson, won't do that anyhow...that's why I was pinging you :) [10:14] \sh: I'll bring things back into sync today [10:14] <\sh> cjwatson, ok..because right now, I'm unable to test the >2TB patch :) [10:26] Hi [10:26] Why dont we include graphical configuration tools in Ubuntu? [10:26] Like the tools in Mandrake/Mandriva? [10:27] I mean tools like drakconf, so the user can easly configure the system. [10:27] Ivshti: to configure what? [10:28] Ivshti: ubuntu has graphical configuration tools [10:28] seb128, mandrake indeed, else it wouldnt be called drakconf :P [10:28] ogra_cmpc: ah, right ;-) [10:28] Ivshti, what are you missing from the shipped tools ? [10:29] Test Mandriva and you will see [10:29] everything is in one control panel [10:29] well thats constructive., lets just take a break from the final strech in an LTS to install mandriva [10:30] Ivshti: that's not the question [10:30] you start drakeconf, and from there you can configure all the things, while in ubuntu you must search for the needed tool [10:30] Ivshti: the question is what option is lacking in the current ubuntu tools [10:30] Ivshti: Ubuntu has control panel, just install gnome-main-menu package and add "Start" menu applet to your panel [10:30] Ivshti: that's a design decision, a zillion options in one dialog is not something easier to use [10:31] Ivshti: run gnome-control-center? [10:31] for example I want to resise a partition... In Mandrake/Mandriva I just start drakeconf (one way or another) and I click on "manage disk partitions" [10:31] in ubuntu I must search for Gparted [10:31] and what if I dont know what is Gparted :D [10:31] A user will search for "configure computer" or "configure partitions" or something like this [10:32] so you are missing a partition editor in the default install, what else ? [10:32] Ivshti: it's called partition manager in the menu, it's as easy to search for it there than in a dialog which has zillion options [10:32] hmm, the control panel must be build-in [10:32] Ivshti: no thanks [10:32] sorry, It was "Gparted" in the version I've tested :D [10:32] Ivshti: control panel is already build-in since Ubuntu 7.10 [10:32] Ivshti: which Ubuntu version you use ? [10:33] 7.10?! [10:33] No, I mean "7.10", I am 100 % sure [10:33] mantiena-baltix, its not set as default, we disaabled it because it had usability issues vs the menu structure [10:33] mantiena-baltix: it is disabled [10:33] I will take a look next time I start Ubuntu [10:33] (takes about three times as long to get to any option that way ... you have to wait until teh panel started and then search your optionn) [10:34] Ivshti, alt+f2 and run gnome-control-center [10:34] Yes, of cource [10:34] I saw that [10:35] personally, i'd call the presence of keyring-manager in both prefs and administration a usability bug [10:35] (I am not running ubuntu, but I am runnning gnome) [10:35] thanks, a tip: just put this in the "System" Gnome menu [10:36] Ivshti: No [10:36] Read what was just said about that [10:36] Ivshti: look at the contents of /etc/lsb-release file - Ubuntu version should be mentioned there [10:36] Ivshti, we diliberately dont [10:36] *deliberately [10:36] gnomecc also takes some time to load [10:36] until the usability of such integrated stuff is on par with the meu system used curretly [10:37] *meu [10:37] gah [10:37] *menu [10:37] i can view the menu and load the thing i want by the time gnomecc starts [10:37] right [10:37] Ivshti: you could report a wishlist bug about putting gnome-control-center launcher in the System menu [10:37] mantiena-baltix, ugh [10:38] The main problem I have with it is that it pretends to be something special when it's really just a weird display of a menu [10:38] This gnome-control-center is very good. [10:38] seb128, btw, what about movig baobab ad the printer thingie from accesoires to system tools as well if we keep system tools [10:38] ogra_cmpc: we are getting ride of system tools again I think [10:38] But how will one new user know about it [10:39] Ivshti: They won't, that's why it is hidden [10:39] ogra_cmpc: users reactions on the list show they prefer not having it in the default install [10:39] seb128, ah, good ... [10:39] ogra_cmpc: lots of users feels better when they have "control center" - why don't allow them to use it ? [10:39] yeah, understandable [10:39] And... that is a very bad idea. [10:39] mantiena-baltix, because itsd totally confusing :) [10:39] Ivshti: If you like it you can use it, don't force your choice on others [10:40] Ivshti: There are serious problems with it [10:40] okay [10:40] Ivshti: I support you, so you could report a wishlist bug about putting gnome-control-center launcher in the System menu [10:40] And... here is the question... why dont the ubuntu developers put a tool like drakeconf [10:41] <\sh> da pitti is blogging :) wow :) [10:41] Like gnome-control-center but without bugs [10:41] Ivshti: some Linux distributions already uses this, for example Novell (Suse) Linux, Baltix Linux and others [10:41] Ivshti, what bugs ? [10:41] As soon as it starts as fast as clicking the menu and does something more useful than the menu I'm all for it [10:41] I just want easyer ubuntu :D [10:41] Ivshti: because it's not better than what we have now [10:41] Ivshti: ubuntu is easy [10:41] Ivshti: because Ubuntu chooses to support upstream developers instead of starting yet another project? [10:41] yes, I know is easy [10:41] Right now the gnomecc is just a slower way to access the same thing the menu gives you [10:42] I've tryed Slackware, that means I know Ubuntu is easy (if you get the idea) [10:42] Ivshti: how hard is it to read labels in a menu rather than on an canvas? [10:42] Ivshti: gnome-control-center just lists the menu items in a grid [10:43] Yes, but it's litle bit better when all things are in one grid [10:43] no it's not [10:43] Amaranth: gnomecc is slow for you, but lots of users feels better when they have "control center" - why don't allow them to use it ? [10:43] because some tools are in the applications menu ;) [10:43] Ivshti, beyond telling us we miss gparted in the default install and that gcc has bugs you didnt specify with any details you didnt really tell anything that could convince yet [10:43] you have to search in 2 dimensions [10:43] mantiena-baltix: you can enable it in alacarte [10:43] hi [10:43] Ivshti: you don't want to remove all the menu and put 80 items in a canvas [10:44] Okay, you are right... [10:44] Ivshti: gnome-control-center doesn't list applications tools [10:44] Amaranth: I already did this in Baltix distro :) [10:44] Ivshti, if you can make convincing points i'm sure nobody would object changes, buut i didnt see anything that wo8uld convince me personally to do anything different to what ubuntu does atm [10:44] (But drakeconfig does list the applications tools) [10:44] Ivshti: so basically the gnome-control-center is an another view listing the same content as the system menu, not easier to use, just slower to load [10:44] how i can change the font color of the ubuntu isolinux bootmenu? i dont want to hack the source if is possible [10:45] Silicium: which version? [10:45] 8.04 [10:45] Ivshti, how about making a real comparison with pro and con lists and send that to the ubuntu-devel-discuss mailinglist ? :) [10:45] Ivshti: you can use kubuntu it you want complicated interface listing zillion options [10:45] eep [10:45] zing! [10:45] * Amaranth hides [10:45] seb128, ! [10:45] cjwatson: u 8.04 isolinux 3.53 [10:45] seb128: gnomecc is easier for newbies, because it has search entry, also it's easier for Windows OS users [10:45] Awesome bug. :-D gdm played the login sound, like, twenty times and then played the end of the sample again probably as many times. [10:46] Silicium: play with 'foreground' and 'background' in /isolinux/gfxboot.cfg [10:46] mantiena-baltix: I'm not convinced [10:46] Silicium: the names are actually sort of backwards, sorry [10:46] there are any documentations about? [10:46] ion_, it just wants to tell you its *really* there now [10:46] Silicium: afraid not, as far as I know [10:46] Silicium: Ubuntu uses 'background=0xB6875A', for example [10:46] ogra: Yeah, "why don't you login already?!?!!" [10:46] which is actually the foreground font colour *cough* [10:46] so i use a Background splash.pcx [10:47] and the font color is blue [10:47] right, so set background= [10:47] mantiena-baltix: That's the problem with most of the SLED stuff. It makes it somewhat easier for new users but doesn't grow with you as you become a more advanced user [10:47] Ivshti: If you wanna to have some applications listed in gnome-control-center you could report a wishlist bug about that in launchpad or gnome bugzilla ;) [10:47] cjwatson: ok [10:47] cjwatson: i will try, thanks :) [10:47] ion: cant get gdm to even let me log in. i wonder if it's just playing nothing twenty times [10:48] mantiena-baltix: With a menu a new user can scan it slowly reading for the thing they need, the more advanced user has muscle memory built up for where in the menu the thing they want is and just fly right to it [10:48] pwnguin, do you use a facebrowser ? someone had probs here yesterday with that [10:48] Amaranth: you shouldn't tell this to me - I'm advanced user [10:48] ogra_cmpc: yea =/ [10:48] Oh yes, is it legal to include wine in ubuntu? [10:48] pwnguin, switch it off until its fixed then :) [10:48] Ivshti: yes, why not ? [10:48] (Yeah, It's legal) [10:48] we aren't aware of legal problems with wine [10:48] But why dont you include it? [10:48] Ivshti: legal, but do you really want novices running random windows programs they find? [10:49] right, the biggest problem with wine is that it can end up being an automatic spyware vector if you're not careful [10:49] Ivshti, because most people don't need it ? [10:49] Ivshti: Baltix distro already includes wine in default CD ;) [10:49] Ivshti: Ubuntu is not a Windows replacement, it is a Windows alternative [10:49] or filing bugs against ubuntu when windows software doesn't work? [10:49] Hmm... windows programs can crash ubuntu too. [10:49] i mean, no offense to the wine people who work on ubuntu, but i imagine it'd be a hell of a triage load [10:50] Ivshti: I mean it isn't supposed to be a drop-in replacement for Windows, installing WINE by default would make it seem that way [10:51] Yeah, I know you are NOT trying to replace Windows... [10:51] mantiena-baltix: what do you remove from the baltix cd to ship wine? [10:51] probably mono stuff [10:52] And, when speaking about mono... [10:52] Why dont you include mono in Ubuntu [10:52] No [10:52] what? [10:52] Ivshti: f-spot and tomboy are installed by default [10:52] .NET replacement in uBuntu? Why not? [10:52] Amaranth: btw, my view is slightly different from SLED - I think operating system should be easy to use for newbies and for advanced users. That's why Baltix has both ways to access system configuration - gnome-control-center and traditional System->Administration and System->Preferences menus ;) [10:52] Ivshti: do you actually run ubuntu? [10:52] That wont make Ubuntu to look like Windows replacement [10:53] cjwatson: nope, does not work [10:53] Yes, of coure, I had it installed but... I've installed Mandriva [10:53] seb128: you are asking what I removed from Ubuntu CD to have space for wine ? [10:53] trying to remember how long ago mono stuff was added [10:53] Silicium: it's what we do to make the text brown in Ubuntu menus, so I know it works [10:53] 6.10? [10:53] so right now, you cant check to see if your claims about what ubuntu does or doesn't do, etc, you can't actually check? [10:53] so if u use the original isolinux.bin, i have the old ubuntu 6.x menu [10:53] Amaranth, yeah, around that [10:54] and in the 8.04 is the color also blue [10:54] "Ubuntu 6.x" isn't something that makes sense [10:54] mantiena-baltix: yes [10:54] the 6 is a year, not a series [10:54] Ok, audio is not the only problem. Ethernet doesn't work properly either. Dhcpdiscover goes out but it never gets the response, and there are errors about eth0 in dmesg. [10:54] Silicium: no, the Ubuntu boot menu has brownish text in 8.04 [10:54] Ubuntu CD is... 695 MB... It has space for a litle bit more software [10:54] (After today's kernel upgrade) [10:54] hahaha [10:54] Ivshti: *we do include mono in Ubuntu". [10:54] cjwatson: oO on my beta image not :D [10:54] oh poor seb [10:54] seb128: hm, seems your --language=python fix in apport now broke the pot, it does not have the glade strings any more [10:55] * ogra_cmpc wonders which CD Ivshti is looking at [10:55] beta-server [10:55] seb128: what's the syntax again for setting a particular format for a POTFILES.in entry? [10:55] Ivshti: misstatement of the year [10:55] pitti: doh [10:55] Ivshti: the hard limit is 700MB, though [10:55] I am looking at 7.10!! [10:55] You have 5 MB space! [10:55] Ivshti: which we intend to use for more localisation [10:55] which we would fill with translations [10:55] snap :) [10:55] Silicium: oh, right, server is wrong [10:55] .S [10:56] I'll fix that [10:56] At least for installed Macromedia Flash player! :D That's very, very important!! [10:56] if only stackable filesystems worked properly :-/ [10:56] Ivshti: there's plenty of consternation every release about what does or doesn't make the cut for space concerns [10:56] ....... [10:56] can i use the isolinux.bin from the desktop version to fix it for me? [10:56] Silicium: no, isolinux.bin is the same [10:56] NTFS in Ubuntu works perfectly, what is the problem about filesystems? [10:56] Silicium: I told you what to put in gfxboot.cfg already [10:56] background=0xB6875A [10:56] cjwatson: ya, but does not work :) [10:57] seb128: if I drop the option from Makevars, a "cd po/; intltool-update -p --verbose" works fine, hm [10:57] Silicium: I am quite certain it does, because we use exactly that for Ubuntu (desktop) [10:57] pitti: how fine? [10:57] Ivshti: adobe's flash will never be installed by default, it is closed source [10:57] cjwatson: i will try again [10:57] Silicium: I'm afraid you must be doing it wrong somehow. Perhaps you have DOS line endings? [10:58] Amaranth: how soon till gnash is in? [10:58] anyway, committed a fix for server [10:58] noe, i have tried background=0x000000 (black) so no i try with exactly you line [10:58] pwnguin: i'm pulling for swfdec [10:58] I expect background=0x000000 would make all the text go black [10:59] like I say, the naming is unfortunately reversed [10:59] you line does also not work :D [10:59] mhm can you paste me the whole isolinux.cfg? [10:59] isolinux.cfg is not involved [10:59] Amaranth: Okay, but I think there is an open-source flash player. There are alot of flash players that have nothing to do with Adobe's flash player! [10:59] I said gfxboot.cfg [10:59] ooh [11:00]