[00:00] <PriceChild> LjL: sorry, thought it was you that triggered the bots
[00:00] <LjL> PriceChild, i had no intention to -r, i'd like to make sure they aren't going to try that again first
[00:01] <PriceChild> LjL: I was told they were all klined which I assume means they won't be reappearing.
[00:01] <PriceChild> stdin: ping
[00:01] <stdin> PriceChild: pong
[00:01] <LjL> PriceChild: not necessarily, they can pretty much come in different swarms
[00:01] <PriceChild> LjL: yup
[00:02] <PriceChild> stdin: please check here before clearing -unregged. If you do clear -unregged, *make sure #ubuntu is -r*
[00:02] <PriceChild> stdin: else -unregged being +i means they can't rejoin, or join #ubuntu, and so get lost in the ether
[00:03] <stdin> PriceChild: my client reported -rR, but it I checked with /mode and it wasn't, not sure what happened
[00:04] <Pricey> Ok so just got annoyed at something, in frustration miss-typed something, and got "[1]  + 6200 suspended  irssi"
[00:04] <Pricey> Where has it gone...
[00:05] <stdin> try "fg"
[00:05] <LjL> Pricey: :)
[00:06] <stdin> you may have hit Ctrl-Z
[00:07]  * LjL feels sorry for price's controlling terminal
[00:12] <Pricey> not happy now
[00:13] <LjL> Pricey, deep breath, type "jobs", and bring the stuff back into foreground?
[00:13] <Pricey> its there!
[00:13] <LjL> Pricey: but not responding?
[00:13] <Pricey> LjL, how do I bring it back into foreground? :)
[00:13] <Pricey> aha fg
[00:14] <LjL> Pricey: fg <jobnumber>, or just fg if there's one job
[00:14] <PriceChild> jr/redraw
[00:14] <Pricey> yay
[00:14] <PriceChild> Well I never knew that before, thankyou.
[00:15] <PriceChild> I've used Linux for a couple of years... honest
[00:15]  * nikrud always believes PriceChild 
[00:15] <LjL> PriceChild: then you've just never hit ctrl+z by mistake
[00:16] <PriceChild> ah thanks stdin, someone turned off the main router earlier just before you gave me the answer.
[00:16] <nikrud> amazing how the fundamentals of bash are not taught in schools today
[00:16] <PriceChild> they so should be
[00:16] <PriceChild> none of this 'informations communications technology' rubbish
[00:16] <Seveas> stupid schools, they think math's more important
[00:17] <nikrud> math? That's what calculators are for
[00:17] <PriceChild> Real mathematicians don't use calculators!
[00:17] <nikrud> Slide rules rule! (looking around, I have to sigh)
[00:18] <PriceChild> so can you do that ctrl+z thing with any process?
[00:18] <nikrud> yes
[00:19] <PriceChild> funky
[00:19] <nikrud> multiple processes, stick them in the background and bring them forward at need
[00:19] <PriceChild> i won't dare... but funky
[00:20] <nikrud> PriceChild you've never run gedit something , and then wanted the terminal briefly?
[00:20] <Mr_Unagi> the reason ljl that you cannot, no matter how hard i try, believe someone when they say they arent someone is because you havent stopped for me to say that i made a grave mistake that day in leaving the business with my laptop logged in and open
[00:20] <LjL> PARSE ERROR ON LINE 1
[00:21] <LjL> ok, i parsed that.
[00:21] <LjL> sounded more like german than english, but i have to give you it was grammatically irreprehensible.
[00:22] <LjL> Mr_Unagi, help my fading and hard-worked memory, please... how did it happen again that waynrdude was you?
[00:22] <Mr_Unagi> wayne is my dad
[00:22] <Mr_Unagi> after checking the logs ive figured it out
[00:22] <Mr_Unagi> prior to when he had moved to my machine he was working on the camera server trying to get that working
[00:23] <Mr_Unagi> he moved to my machine asking another question and shortly after that switched to his computer
[00:23] <Mr_Unagi> when thanking someone for the help, and that person not understanding what the thanks was for, my dad indicated that '<--------------mrunagi'
[00:23] <Mr_Unagi> merely an indication of 'screen name' not actual person
[00:24] <LjL> Mr_Unagi, you do understand that the *number one* excuse for trolls in the whole history of trolling is "it was my brother / dad / sister /etc"?
[00:24] <Mr_Unagi> i had not been here most of the day and i hadnt been on until 5:43 eastern
[00:24] <Mr_Unagi> i completely understand
[00:25] <Mr_Unagi> but in my only defense if you have any indication........any misunderstood ban evasion was only on this connection
[00:25] <Mr_Unagi> because this connection is my parents business............and was the only time my dad would ever be on my laptop to which that wont hpapen again
[00:25] <LjL> Mr_Unagi: this connection = comcast?
[00:26] <Mr_Unagi> well i mean if thats the only indicator you have then no
[00:26] <Mr_Unagi> because our home connection is comcast as well, i just didnt know if the hostname would be different
[00:26] <LjL> Mr_Unagi, eek, you've been on specdns, hawaiiantel...
[00:27] <Mr_Unagi> yes i know........which is why things were testy anyway because i was trying hard to conform to the coc but yet there was another time that i messed up
[00:27] <Mr_Unagi> another thing is that i move around alot.......i.e. hawaiiantel
[00:27] <LjL> another time? you have a collection of bans, really
[00:27] <Mr_Unagi> i understand
[00:27] <Mr_Unagi> to which it is never my intention to cause a problem
[00:27] <LjL> Mr_Unagi, if you hadn't been a troublesome users, maybe i'd believe your story of connection changing etc.
[00:27] <LjL> maybe i believe it anyway
[00:28] <LjL> i mean, i have no reason to think you're lying, except the fact that you've been troublesome for very long
[00:28] <LjL> and that's a very strong reason to keep you banned, no matter whether what you're saying now is true
[00:28] <Mr_Unagi> the only thing i can say is that on the intial 2 day ban i indicated that i was trying to do everything the right way by coming in here to which i was banned 5 seconds after doing so
[00:29] <Mr_Unagi> which im basically saying is an indication that yes before i was troublesome, but i had been trying to fix that and not be such a bothersome user
[00:29] <LjL> Mr_Unagi, your "initial" ban was on #ubuntu on the 2nd of August. then you had many others. excuse me if it's confusing for me to find which ban you're talking about now.
[00:29] <Mr_Unagi> im referring to i believe the 3rd
[00:30] <LjL> you see the issue? the real issue? i can't even *track* your ban, they're so many i'm lost when looking at it
[00:30] <Mr_Unagi> i do understand
[00:30] <LjL> Mr_Unagi: and did you say you did understood also the past 20 or so times you've been kicked?
[00:30] <Mr_Unagi> one other way that i can show that i am sincerely trying to resolve and and remorseful for how things happen is that as annoying as it may have been, i have come in here numerous times to try and talk things out when i could easily ban evade on other connections
[00:31] <Mr_Unagi> with a different nick
[00:31] <Mr_Unagi> but i actively choose  not to.........because im not intentionally a troublesome user
[00:31] <LjL> Mr_Unagi, i can't buy that, all trolls i've known cared *a lot* about their nickname (= reputation)
[00:31] <Mr_Unagi> whats more, the case of early this morning when my auto join had come into #kubuntu and i promptly parted until i knew that i was unbanned or not
[00:32] <Mr_Unagi> that is exactly my poin LjL, trolls dont care about their name and will change it to evade a ban
[00:32] <Mr_Unagi> i have maintained mine and will continue to because i am in fact not intentionally a troll
[00:33] <LjL> eh... no
[00:33] <LjL> i said the opposite thing
[00:33] <LjL> all trolls i've known *CARED* about their nickname
[00:33] <Mr_Unagi> oh
[00:33] <Mr_Unagi> im sorry i read it wrong
[00:33] <LjL> they'd never ban evade by changing it so much that it'd become unrecognizable
[00:33] <Mr_Unagi> to be honest i dont care a great deal about the name and could come up with an alternate but i choose not to
[00:34] <LjL> Mr_Unagi, hold on a couple of minutes, i want to show you something
[00:34] <Mr_Unagi> ok
[00:38] <Mr_Unagi> im going to have to go soon but it is possible that i will rejoin with my phone if im not driving
[00:41] <LjL> Mr_Unagi: http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/61964/
[00:41] <LjL> it took me a while because there's been a lot
[00:42] <LjL> look at it. honestly, how can i unban you? you've been kicked all the time not by, say, *one* operator. you've been kicked in turns by more like a *majority* of operators
[00:42] <LjL> (many of those were bans)
[00:42] <LjL> this indicates to me a huge problem
[00:43] <stdin> anyone else get a /msh off AYca001 ?
[00:43] <stdin> */msg
[00:43] <LjL> yes
[00:43] <Mr_Unagi> i have admitted to being a problem in the past mainly prior to january
[00:44] <LjL> please report such messages
[00:44] <Mr_Unagi> in january it was brought to my attention that i was a problem
[00:44] <Mr_Unagi> all of feb into march i sincerely tried to do everything by the rules
[00:45] <LjL> then you've been a problem again in march. now, we cannot give you a third chance, a fourth chance, etc, we have finite resources to keep track of troublesome users.
[00:45] <Mr_Unagi> the problem in march is directly related to the misunderstanding on the 5th
[00:45] <Mr_Unagi> not that it is an excuse
[00:46] <LjL> Mr_Unagi, on the 5th of march?
[00:46] <LjL> but i had banned you before that.
[00:46] <Mr_Unagi> i know
[00:46] <LjL> sure, you say i had told you to come back in two days.
[00:46] <LjL> ok.
[00:46] <Mr_Unagi> instead of fighting it like usual i accepted it
[00:46] <Mr_Unagi> trying not to be a problem
[00:46] <LjL> but i was already pretty dubious as to letting you back, seeing all the history
[00:47] <Mr_Unagi> if you were to lift my ban you wouldnt regret it
[00:47] <Mr_Unagi> i had not been a severe problem even before march 3rd
[00:47] <Mr_Unagi> meaning
[00:47] <Mr_Unagi> immediately prior
[00:48] <Mr_Unagi> essentially from august on i was trying to learn the rules and the way things worked.......
[00:48] <Mr_Unagi> which it is obvious that i wasnt getting it until about january
[00:48] <Mr_Unagi> brb
[00:50] <Mr_Unagi> the ban evading in october is kind of a special breed
[00:50] <Mr_Unagi> yes i was snide and a troll, but as for ban evading...........i didnt really know what ban evading was and mostly it was because i was in a new port
[00:51] <Mr_Unagi> pretty much most of the ban evasions that you were showing me were never fully intentional evasions
[00:51] <Mr_Unagi> more specifically the latter ones and sorry for the excessive enter key just now
[00:54] <Mr_Unagi> LjL, you had said after i left on the 3rd that if i came back nicely you would lift the ban........aside from everything related to the ban evading misunderstanding........that is what i did, so is it possible we can start from where i came in and asked 'so is this the big day?'
[00:55] <LjL> Mr_Unagi, at a condition.
[00:56] <LjL> you don't respect the guidelines, o4o, or anything the ops say to you (you're pretty free to discuss it in pm with the op, but NOT debate it in -offtopic or whatever)
[00:56] <LjL> you're out
[00:56] <LjL> out for good
[00:56] <LjL> Mr_Unagi: deal?
[00:58] <LjL> i mean, i don't quite like bargaining bans, but i cannot keep debating this forever. so yes, you can be unbanned, but for goodness sake, *respect the rules* this time or if you don't, then don't come here wasting your time and my time
[00:58] <Mr_Unagi> thank you
[00:59] <LjL> !etiquette | Mr_Unagi, print it all and keep it in front of your screen
[00:59] <ubotu> Mr_Unagi, print it all and keep it in front of your screen: Unsure how you should behave on this channel? See (in a private message with the bot, /msg ubotu <keyword>): !AskTheBot, !CoC, !Guidelines, !Offtopic, !Language, !Attitude, !Repeat, !Enter, !Paste, !NickSpam, !PM, !English - And most importantly, use common sense...
[01:03] <stdin> LjL: _fuji_ is back in #u
[01:03] <stdin> *was, but maybe +r again?
[01:03] <LjL> yeah
[01:04] <Pici> hm? they were just d-lined
[01:05] <LjL> Pici: well, it means they're still coming in anyway, haven't just stopped after last time
[01:05] <Pici> LjL: I mean d-lined just now. I havent been connected for a while.
[01:06]  * Pici is probably out of the loop
[01:06] <LjL> Pici: yeah but it happened some minutes earlier too
[01:06] <Pici> Ah
[01:08] <LjL> stdin, about #k, i'll leave it to you
[01:08] <stdin> hmm?
[01:09] <Pici> Jucato is in there
[01:09] <stdin> un
[01:09] <stdin> Mr_Unagi: 
[01:09] <stdin> ahh
[01:09] <stdin> tabs :p
[01:09] <stdin> Mr_Unagi: I'll remove the ban for #kubuntu too
[01:09] <Jucato> stdin: actually you take over
[01:09]  * Jucato has to go afk for a while
[01:10] <Mr_Unagi> thank you
[01:10] <Mr_Unagi> have a good day
[01:10] <stdin> Mr_Unagi: but an argument in one channel doesn't give you the right to disrupt others (the reason you were banned in there)
[01:18] <Jucato> is this an ok policy about Wubi? asking for help on Wubi: OK. dicussing the merits/demerits of Wubi: offtopic?
[01:18] <Pici> yes
[01:19] <Pici> Well.. To some extent.
[01:19] <Jucato> ah.. that "some extent" is the tricky part :)
[01:19] <Pici> It depends how offtopic the conversation gets.  
[01:20] <Pici> If someone were to ask "Should I install normally or use Wubi", then the conversation would be on-topic, but I dont think anything further than that would be.  I think this is one of those case-by-case basis things.
[01:20] <Jucato> like "Wubi sucks, should never have been officially supported"? :)
[01:20] <Pici> "This is a support channel, not a 'complain about ubuntu/wubi' channel"
[01:20] <Pici> or something to that effect.
[01:37] <LjL> argh, i've no ubotwo
[01:40] <nikrud> LjL seems to me you're giving him an clear either or in what might be an ambiguous situation. No arguing possible if he fails to meet the requirements, and he can't say he doesn't understand what the rules are now. YOu can sleep with a clear conscience ;)
[11:56] <Mez> !tell HaNDa^ about spam
[11:56] <Mez> !tell HaNDa^ about private
[11:56] <Mez> does that not give feedback
[12:57] <nalioth> Mez: those bots are all d:lined.  they don't care about your msgs  :|
[12:58] <Mez> nalioth, about an hour after I sent them that (not realising they were bots - I just saw an idiot user)
[13:16]  * Pici sighs
[13:25] <Mez> hmmles.+
[13:27] <PriceChild> Grr I hate not being able to edit dhcp pools in use with these annoying routers.
[13:27] <Pici> ddwrt++
[13:28] <PriceChild> shh :P
[13:28] <Pici> By far the best router managment tool I've ever used.
[13:28] <PriceChild> Once I edit that config file, upload it, and sort out port forwarding to the xbox, I'll be finished and it'll be perfect and I can use it for 2 weeks!
[14:32] <ubotu> In #ubuntu, gorbierd said: ubotu is great, is it new feature of the channel?
[14:32] <LjL> brand new.
[14:32] <Pici> dealt with./
[14:33] <Jucato> heheh :)
[14:33] <Jucato> brand new spanking and shiny :)
[14:33] <LjL> !ping
[14:33] <ubotu> ping yourself ;-) really the diodes all down my left side are sore
[14:33]  * Pici facepalms
[15:04] <jussio1> Ok lads and ladies... Im off tomorrow afternoon for the weekend, (~24 h from now) and wont be contactable till monday, so if you need /want anything from me, now would be the time to ask. :)
[15:37] <MrUnagi> ljl are you here?
[15:37] <LjL> yes
[15:37] <MrUnagi> for some reason i am unable to join #ubuntu and #ubuntu-offtopic
[15:38] <LjL> MrUnagi: -offtopic you should be able to join now. let me look at #ubuntu
[15:39] <LjL> MrUnagi: try #ubuntu
[15:39] <MrUnagi> both still say banned
[15:40] <LjL> MrUnagi: try again
[15:41] <MrUnagi> ubuntu works offtopic doesnt
[15:41] <LjL> hm
[15:41] <MrUnagi> maybe god banned me because i suck at life =(
[15:42] <LjL> MrUnagi: try once more
[15:42] <MrUnagi> ah
[15:42] <MrUnagi> thank you LjL 
[15:43] <LjL> MrUnagi: have fun - and not the sort of fun that gets you banned.
[15:44] <MrUnagi> thats never fun =(
[15:45] <MrUnagi> have a good day
[16:00] <nikrud> !best
[16:00] <ubotu> Usually, there is no single "best" application to perform a given task. It's up to you to choose, depending on your preferences, features you require, and other factors. Do NOT take polls in the channel. If you insist on getting people's opinions, join #ubuntu-bots and ask there.
[16:00] <nikrud> #ubuntu-bots ?
[16:01] <Pici> yes
[16:02] <nikrud> sending them to a black hole?
[16:02] <nikrud> unless I'm really missing something
[16:02] <Pici> No? 
[16:02] <Pici> #ubuntu-bots exists
[16:02] <Pici> Thats where BestBot lives
[16:03] <nikrud> ah, must play with it
[16:09] <LjL> i suspect almost everybody thinks it's just a blackhole... :P
[16:09] <LjL> while in fact i had some hopes for bestbot, i.e. with the excuse of taking polls, it could effortlessly end up being a categorized list of software
[16:11] <LjL> !best =~ s/join #ubuntu-bots and ask there/ask BestBot in #ubuntu-bots/
[16:11] <ubotu> I'll remember that LjL
[16:15] <Pici> LjL: Whats with the +ring when we get those k/d-lines?
[16:16] <LjL> Pici: because they usually don't give up after the first batch of k-lines
[16:16] <Pici> LjL: okay
[16:17] <LjL> Pici: although you may not end up seeing them in -unregged, as they appear to quickly understand that the channel is +r... but i know that they go on in at least #gentoo and #debian, until +r is set
[16:17] <LjL> Pici: in fact, setam has just rejoined #debian again
[16:17] <LjL> 88.254.57.* this time, but they have several others i'm afraid
[16:17] <LjL> indeed. 88.230 again
[16:43] <ubotu> Lamego called the ops in #ubuntu (mernil)
[16:48] <tonyyarusso> nice work LjL 
[16:49] <LjL> have SeTam as a highlight, it's handy
[18:00] <Seeker`> Seveas: ping
[18:01] <ubotu> erUSUL called the ops in #ubuntu (segura2 nasty words an actitude)
[18:03] <Pici> LjL: that was an 83.230
[18:05] <Pici> I remember you saying something about re-instating the forward the other day
[18:06] <jussio1> oooh, looky, its ompaul :D
[18:06] <Pici> I don't believe you.
[18:07] <jussio1> hehe
[18:08] <ompaul> Pici, ala victor meldrew?
[18:09] <Pici> I honestly down't know what that is.
[18:09] <Pici> Also, someone was floating around the other day with a picture of you with a penguin and a recipt.
[18:09] <Pici> s/recipt/receipt/
[18:10] <ompaul> Pici, eh: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/One_Foot_in_the_Grave for victor
[18:10] <ompaul> Pici, yeah that would be laura she posted the url on the lug list this morning (took a bit of prompting)
[18:11] <ompaul> Pici, for fun the strangest/best X gets awarded a pint by me
[18:11] <ompaul> that was for penguins and only one arrived
[18:11] <Pici> ah
[18:11] <ompaul> Pici, and this months is:
[18:12] <ompaul> http://www.linux.ie/lists/pipermail/ilug/2008-April/097539.html
[18:12] <Pici> The best gnus is good gnus
[18:13] <ompaul> :)
[18:17] <ompaul> Pici, ;-) ha mc44 knows nothing
[20:58] <theunixgeek> What theme is used in the screenshots here? http://www.haskell.org/gtk2hs/docs/tutorial/glade/
[21:01] <ompaul> theunixgeek, what channel do you think you are in ;-)
[21:02] <theunixgeek> ompaul: woops
[21:02] <theunixgeek> I thought I had joined Ubuntu-offtopic
[21:02] <theunixgeek> sorry! :S
[21:03] <theunixgeek> hm... does #ubuntu-offtopic not exist anymore?
[21:05] <Pici> theunixgeek: you probably have a banforward to this channel. 
[21:05] <Pici> Any idea why that would be?
[21:05] <Pici> %btlogin
[21:06] <theunixgeek> Pici: what's %btlogin ?
[21:06] <Pici> theunixgeek: thats a command that only channel ops can use.
[21:06] <theunixgeek> o
[21:06] <theunixgeek> why am I banforwarded?
[21:06] <Pici> I'm looking up why you may be forwarded here.
[21:06] <theunixgeek> probably my oft-visiting cousins' fault....
[21:10] <theunixgeek> Pici: what was the reason?
[21:11] <Pici> 21:34 >>>> theunixgeek (n=patrick@c-76-123-82-45.hsd1.fl.comcast.net) has joined #ubuntu-offtopic
[21:11] <Pici> 21:34 <theunixgeek> Please test Fosik: http://theunixgeek.bravehost.com/fosik :) Give ideas or report bugs at http://code.google.com/p/fosik/issues/list
[21:11] <Pici> 21:35 <theunixgeek> gottago now
[21:11] <Pici> 21:35 >>>> theunixgeek (n=patrick@c-76-123-82-45.hsd1.fl.comcast.net) has left #ubuntu-offtopic []
[21:11] <theunixgeek> Pici: ...
[21:11] <theunixgeek> I was advertising :)
[21:11] <theunixgeek> I needed help developing the program
[21:12] <theunixgeek> free software
[21:12] <Pici> Okay, thats still spam.
[21:12] <theunixgeek> oh
[21:12] <theunixgeek> well, the gotta go now thing was sincere
[21:12] <theunixgeek> I would've stayed but I couldn't for personal reasons
[21:12] <theunixgeek> I was waiting for a response for anyone who perhaps would like to help develop the software
[21:13] <Pici> For less than a minute?
[21:13] <Pici> Anyway. This was LjL's ban.  He is going to need to be the one to remove it.
[21:13] <theunixgeek> Pici: again, the gotta go now thing was sincere
[21:13] <theunixgeek> ok. I'll pm him
[21:13] <theunixgeek> thanks
[21:14] <theunixgeek> LjL: you there? :)
[21:16] <theunixgeek> Pici: Is there anybody else who could lift the ban? could you do it?
[21:26] <theunixgeek> Pici: or is LjL the only one that can lift the ban
[21:43] <theunixgeek> how long do bans last?
[21:43] <ubotu> SlimeyPete called the ops in #kubuntu ()
[21:46] <ubotu> Gnine called the ops in #ubuntu+1 (pleaseandthankyo)
[21:47]  * Jucato smells a kline coming :)
[22:08] <PriceChild> jussio1: psychic
[22:08] <PriceChild> (battery will run out in minutes)
[22:24] <LjL> Pici, it's a banforward to -ops... when i do that, i generally mean that i don't really have a problem with it being lifted
[22:24] <ubotu> Lamego called the ops in #ubuntu ()
[22:24] <Pici> LjL: okay.
[22:25] <theunixgeek> I was invited here.
[22:25] <LjL> one second
[22:25] <LjL> theunixgeek: sorry, just after i invited you we got an ops call....
[22:25] <theunixgeek> ok
[22:26] <LjL> theunixgeek, i'm pretty sympathetic to someone asking for testing of an OSS program really
[22:26] <LjL> theunixgeek: but you joined a couple of channels, immediately posted that message, and immediately parted
[22:26] <LjL> that's spam no matter what's being spammed
[22:27] <theunixgeek> LjL: I apologize for that; however, for personal reasons I had to suddenly quit and I did not mean to use the message as spam.
[22:27] <LjL> theunixgeek: ok. i don't have a problem with letting you back into #ubuntu-offtopic, but i do want the reasoning behind the banforward to be clear
[22:28] <theunixgeek> I understand the reason
[22:28] <LjL> theunixgeek: you're unbanned, have fun
[22:28] <theunixgeek> thank you :)
[22:50] <mneptok> ompaul: uh ...
[22:51] <ompaul> mneptok, they were going to go off the deep end ;-)
[22:51] <mc44> they...
[22:51] <mneptok> ompaul: do i need some sort of "Allowed To Paste ASCII" certificate?
[22:51] <ompaul> me 
[22:51] <mc44> :)
[22:51] <ompaul> mneptok, na you need a certificate :)
[22:51] <LjL> mneptok: you ain't getting one
[22:51] <LjL> mc44: are you still here, frustration
[22:51] <ompaul> LjL, he might - some day 
[22:56]  * Gary pokes mc44 
[23:01] <LjL> [23:59:57] *** LjL sets mode: -b *!*@79.132.19?.*!##unavailable <- unbanned because someone who doesn't seem to be the troll just joined #unavailable from such an address
[23:01] <LjL> actually, uhm... he was the troll (randyrhorde, before he was simply randyr)
[23:01] <Pici> heh
[23:22] <LjL> !test
[23:22] <ubotu> Failed.
[23:22] <Pici> LjL: I just used the factoid 
[23:22] <LjL> yes i noticed now...
[23:22] <LjL> "soz"
[23:25] <LjL> #kubuntu ops - is that the "vit" that got banned?
[23:26] <LjL> specifically - stdin
[23:26] <Pici> wasnt vit the root__ guy?
[23:27] <LjL> Pici: they seemed somehow related, but i couldn't really say they're the same [groups of zombie machines / whatever]
[23:30] <ompaul> Pici, is there a factoid about 4 gigs of ram and higher?
[23:31] <Pici> ompaul: um
[23:31] <Pici> I dont think so
[23:31] <Pici> !search 64
[23:31] <ubotu> Found: chroot, amd64, flash64, 64bit, biarch, java64, flash64bit, 64, dualboot, langpack
[23:31] <Pici> !search 32
[23:31] <ubotu> Found: chroot, w32codecs, fat32, biarch, filesystems, imap4rev1, kdmtheme, ops-#xubuntu, girl, win32codecs
[23:31] <Pici> Doesnt look like it.
[23:32] <ompaul> !search ram
[23:32] <ubotu> Found: autostart-#kubuntu, code, xincludes, nickfork-#ubuntu-offtopic, selinux, sudo, startup, usplash, twinview, roadnav
[23:32] <ompaul> hmm
[23:32] <LjL> !search memor
[23:32] <ubotu> Found: dma, mem, ram, lowmem, swap, lowmemory, memory
[23:32] <LjL> but no it isn't there
[23:34] <ompaul> would it be fair to say something like:  ram is <reply> 4Gigs of ram is the most that a 32bit o/s can cope with, if you want more ram to be seen you need a 64 bit version, if it is a desktop there is no advantage in having over 4gigs of ram 
[23:35] <LjL> ompaul: there's more to it i think
[23:35] <LjL> i.e. without some hazy patch i think i've heard the existence of, you cannot go beyond 3 gig - or something
[23:36] <ompaul> LjL, then we really need a wiki page to do it some justice 
[23:36] <ompaul> and just go RAM is for 32bit 64bit detailed info please see here: 
[23:37] <LjL> https://lists.ubuntu.com/archives/kernel-bugs/2006-February/009466.html