| UAanon | hi | 00:10 |
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| UAanon | anyone here? | 00:10 |
| zoredache | !anyone | 00:10 |
| ubotu | A large amount of the first questions asked in this channel start with "Does anyone/anybody..." Why not ask your next question (the real one) and find out? | 00:10 |
| UAanon | How do I get xubuntu to install on an MacBook? I've got a wasted Bootcamp partition that's begging to be filled with a better OS, also, where can I go to get third party apps for xubuntu? | 00:11 |
| UAanon | I await your reply. | 00:12 |
| zoredache | there is lots of applications in the repositor... You could also check out CNR.. Or you could look at the 3rd parties web site | 00:12 |
| UAanon | I'm not familiar with either CNR or the repositor... | 00:13 |
| zoredache | as for installing on the mac, search google for 'ubuntu mac'... There are tons of hits.. | 00:14 |
| UAanon | the only place that I can think of for apps for Linux is Sourceforge | 00:14 |
| UAanon | alright, thanks | 00:14 |
| zoredache | crn => http://www.cnr.com/ | 00:14 |
| zoredache | !repos | 00:14 |
| ubotu | The packages in Ubuntu are divided into several sections. More information at https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Repositories and http://www.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/components - See https://wiki.ubuntu.com/RecommendedSources for the recommended way to set up your repositories | 00:14 |
| zoredache | bleah... cnr | 00:15 |
| UAanon | my friend gave me xubuntu at a party last night, and I figure I'd install it during a lecture... | 00:15 |
| zoredache | https://help.ubuntu.com/community/MacBookPro would probably be useful.. as well | 00:16 |
| zoredache | there will probably be minor differences in video drivers, but i suspect it is mostly the same install on macbook | 00:16 |
| UAanon | I'm able to load and run xubuntu from the CD, but I haven't played around with installing it on an unused partition | 00:18 |
| breetai | UAanon: There is freashmeat which lists a lot of packages there is getdeb.com three is linuxgames.com | 00:24 |
| zoredache | of course you couls always just go to google as well... :p | 00:25 |
| UAanon | I prefer the human interaction. There's a reason why this is here, no? | 00:26 |
| UAanon | Also, not to many people know how to use IRC outside AIM, Yahoo, MSN and the lot. | 00:27 |
| UAanon | too* | 00:28 |
| zoredache | eh? it was an answer your question about where you could find other software... I don't really consider this channel a place to find stuff outside xubuntu... | 00:29 |
| UAanon | No, you were talking about me just Google-ing the info instead of coming here. There's a reason for this channel, so that people could come here to get help. I was merely validating my experience to come here for help. | 00:36 |
| UAanon | Yeah, that was a bit fragmented, and I apologize. | 00:36 |
| cody-somerville | Play nice, kids ; p | 00:42 |
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| UAanon | I apologize if I tensed things up... | 01:23 |
| xyz359 | Anyone know how to change the system terminal font? | 01:34 |
| UAanon | I don't, sorry. | 01:35 |
| UAanon | Someone else might. | 01:36 |
| * xyz359 nods. =) | 01:36 | |
| svarte | hello people. | 02:22 |
| svarte | i just installed 8.04 on my new laptop, and everything is working finr - except for one small thing that also bugged me in previous ubuntu versions. i can't for the love of god switch from utf8 to iso8859-1 | 02:23 |
| svarte | so, can anybody help me there? | 02:26 |
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| === gaurdro|away is now known as gaurdro | ||
| Adantan_Alex | how do u install xubuntu? | 09:57 |
| Adantan_Alex | hi | 09:57 |
| terminhell | Im using xfce right now, and im wondering if there is a way to make its panels "always on bottom" | 11:54 |
| ere4si | if you right click a panel and choose "customize panel" you can put it where you want | 11:55 |
| terminhell | well | 12:14 |
| terminhell | not exactly what i need | 12:14 |
| ere4si | it might be a session issue - do you have save session on exit enabled? | 12:15 |
| Adantan_Alex | hi | 12:15 |
| ere4si | or do you want maximised windows to cover the panel? | 12:15 |
| terminhell | here's what i want to do: i have a panel with just Verve on it. Id like to have it in the middle of the desktop | 12:15 |
| terminhell | yea | 12:15 |
| Adantan_Alex | i need some help | 12:15 |
| ere4si | terminhell: don't know if that is possible - it might be... | 12:17 |
| ere4si | Adantan_Alex: you need to ask the question:) | 12:17 |
| terminhell | ere4si: ive noticed that it is capable of doing it if i just switch it from fixd to movable | 12:17 |
| Adantan_Alex | yes dual botting xubuntu | 12:18 |
| Adantan_Alex | i want to have | 12:18 |
| Adantan_Alex | oops | 12:18 |
| Adantan_Alex | i want to have xubuntu have 20 giggabytes | 12:18 |
| Adantan_Alex | but what partitions do i need to make? | 12:18 |
| terminhell | use the live cd | 12:19 |
| Adantan_Alex | i am i think | 12:19 |
| Adantan_Alex | i am | 12:19 |
| terminhell | and run the installer. it has the options to setup the partions for you | 12:19 |
| ere4si | Adantan_Alex: you need the 20G partition for xubuntu and a swap partition about the size of your memory or a little larger | 12:19 |
| Adantan_Alex | huh? | 12:20 |
| terminhell | if you use the "guided %" you can adjust the %(size) it uses | 12:20 |
| Adantan_Alex | what u mean? | 12:20 |
| Adantan_Alex | can i hae 1 gigayte for the swap one? | 12:20 |
| terminhell | ya | 12:20 |
| ere4si | the live cd has the option to use the free space available - it will then set up the partitions as they are needed | 12:20 |
| Adantan_Alex | thats a problem | 12:20 |
| Adantan_Alex | the live CD doesnt work.... | 12:20 |
| terminhell | then you have a problem | 12:21 |
| Adantan_Alex | on my other computer | 12:21 |
| Adantan_Alex | it is dont worry | 12:21 |
| ere4si | using the alternate cd? | 12:21 |
| Adantan_Alex | i needed to give it more time | 12:21 |
| Adantan_Alex | no i got it | 12:21 |
| Adantan_Alex | wow | 12:22 |
| Adantan_Alex | now what i need to do | 12:22 |
| terminhell | is there an icon on the desktop "Install" | 12:22 |
| Adantan_Alex | yeah i know this from ubuntu | 12:22 |
| Adantan_Alex | i just need to know what to put for partitions | 12:23 |
| terminhell | well if you must do it manually... | 12:23 |
| terminhell | setup a new primary partition with the mount point as "/" | 12:23 |
| Adantan_Alex | yes dual botting | 12:23 |
| terminhell | and give it the size | 12:23 |
| Adantan_Alex | 20 gigabytes? | 12:24 |
| terminhell | yes | 12:24 |
| Adantan_Alex | ok hold on lol | 12:24 |
| terminhell | 20,000,000 | 12:24 |
| terminhell | doh | 12:24 |
| terminhell | brb | 12:24 |
| terminhell | i g2g for a few | 12:24 |
| Adantan_Alex | lol does xubuntu have a task bar? | 12:24 |
| Adantan_Alex | ok but does xubuntu have a task bar? | 12:24 |
| Adantan_Alex | can someone help? ty | 12:25 |
| ere4si | yep it does | 12:25 |
| Adantan_Alex | lol mine doesnt | 12:26 |
| Adantan_Alex | mine doesnt man | 12:26 |
| ere4si | press alt + F2 then type xfce4-panel | 12:26 |
| Adantan_Alex | ty | 12:26 |
| Adantan_Alex | hold on lol | 12:27 |
| Adantan_Alex | does this normally happen? | 12:27 |
| ere4si | nope | 12:28 |
| Adantan_Alex | on the live CD i dont get a task bar? lol | 12:28 |
| Adantan_Alex | damn gotta burn another one then.... | 12:28 |
| Adantan_Alex | im gonna restart it and check for errors | 12:28 |
| ere4si | and do the md5 check | 12:28 |
| Adantan_Alex | how? | 12:28 |
| ere4si | !md5 | 12:28 |
| ubotu | To verify your Ubuntu ISO image (or other files for which an MD5 checksum is provided), see http://help.ubuntu.com/community/VerifyIsoHowto or http://www.linuxquestions.org/linux/answers/LQ_ISO/Checking_the_md5sum_in_Windows | 12:28 |
| Adantan_Alex | it froze but a task bar wanted to appear | 12:30 |
| Adantan_Alex | something appeared in the colours u would see f u bunped a nintendo 64 game | 12:31 |
| Adantan_Alex | then went.... | 12:31 |
| ere4si | that could be a bad burn, memory or graphis card | 12:31 |
| ere4si | how much memory is there? | 12:32 |
| ere4si | bbl | 12:34 |
| Adantan_Alex | its memory | 12:37 |
| Adantan_Alex | ok guys if i install xubuntu | 12:37 |
| Adantan_Alex | will it run quicker? | 12:37 |
| Adantan_Alex | and support 256 megabytes of ram? | 12:38 |
| Adantan_Alex | hello any one? | 12:38 |
| Adantan_Alex | hi? | 12:39 |
| Adantan_Alex | ! | 12:39 |
| Adantan_Alex | :) | 12:39 |
| terminhell | yes | 12:44 |
| terminhell | it will run much faster if its installed | 12:44 |
| Adantan_Alex | and the task bar will show? | 12:48 |
| Adantan_Alex | who here can help? | 12:48 |
| Adantan_Alex | any way i want to install xubuntu and the task bar wont show.... my computer has 256 megabytes of memory and so if i install it will it show? | 12:49 |
| Adantan_Alex | i checked the disc and its working | 12:49 |
| Survivorman | it should work. is it getting cut off because of your screen resolution maybe? | 13:00 |
| TheSheep | Adantan_Alex: press alt+f2 and type 'xfce4-panel' | 13:00 |
| Adantan_Alex | YES THATS IT soz for caps | 13:33 |
| Adantan_Alex | i will give it 1 last try | 13:33 |
| Adantan_Alex | can i change the screen resolution? | 13:33 |
| Adantan_Alex | i got 800 x 600 | 13:34 |
| Adantan_Alex | but i can change | 13:34 |
| Adantan_Alex | only it makes it very small soz for all the lines.... | 13:34 |
| Adantan_Alex | ok screen resolution is ok | 13:35 |
| Survivorman | I'd just install it and give it a try. Sometimes the livecd can be flakey on older computers. | 13:35 |
| Adantan_Alex | yeah | 14:03 |
| Adantan_Alex | has someone gone to u the same story? | 14:03 |
| Adantan_Alex | im not seeing the task bar lol | 14:03 |
| Adantan_Alex | i see it for a bit then it goes | 14:03 |
| Adantan_Alex | but im going to download the alternate CD | 14:03 |
| Nyad | Hi | 14:57 |
| Nyad | Im new to Xubuntu I have been using Kubuntu but I noticed that although Xubuntu is faster it lacks features that KDE has | 14:58 |
| Nyad | why? | 14:58 |
| ablomen | Nyad, like what? (oh and the lack of some bloat/features in kde is probably why xfce is faster then kde..) | 15:02 |
| Nyad | like a wallpaper changer | 15:04 |
| Nyad | well an automatic one | 15:05 |
| Adantan_Alex | hi | 15:09 |
| Nyad | how do I open a directory as root? | 15:09 |
| ablomen | Nyad, you can just make a desktop wallpaper list and let `xfdesktop -reload` ever *minutes (with for cron etc) | 15:13 |
| ablomen | and i would never open a dir with a file manager as root if i where you | 15:13 |
| Nyad | sometimes I want to delete or edit files | 15:14 |
| ablomen | then use a terminal :) | 15:15 |
| Nyad | do I have to type out every filename in the list? | 15:15 |
| Nyad | if I use a terminal it doesn't move them to the trash | 15:15 |
| ablomen | nah you can make a list with settings->desktop settings->Image:new list | 15:16 |
| Nyad | but then I have to select all 4000 of the images with that thing | 15:18 |
| ablomen | you can select multiple at once... | 15:18 |
| Nyad | yeah I just realised | 15:18 |
| Nyad | thanls | 15:18 |
| ablomen | np :) | 15:18 |
| Nyad | the thing about deleting files with a terminal is it doesn't put them in the trash when I delete them | 15:19 |
| ablomen | nope, that why if you want to keep the file for later you use mv | 15:20 |
| ablomen | (for example mv /etc/xorg.conf /etc/xorg.conf.backup | 15:20 |
| ablomen | and why you should never delete something as root if your not 100% sure you can delete it | 15:21 |
| Nyad | how do I set a timer for changing the background? | 15:21 |
| ablomen | how long would you like the interval? | 15:22 |
| ablomen | *to be | 15:22 |
| Nyad | 30seconds | 15:22 |
| ablomen | lol your kiddin right? | 15:22 |
| Nyad | nope | 15:22 |
| Nyad | is it that hard? | 15:26 |
| TheSheep | Nyad: why would you manipulate 4000 files as root? | 15:26 |
| TheSheep | Nyad: just chown them to your user and then maniulate them | 15:26 |
| ablomen | The_Kernel, those are his background images | 15:26 |
| TheSheep | ablomen: actually -reload will reload the whole desktop binary, it's better to just send the USR1 signal to it | 15:27 |
| ablomen | TheSheep, hmm and how would one do that? | 15:27 |
| TheSheep | ablomen: killall -USR1 xfdesktop | 15:27 |
| ablomen | ah nice | 15:28 |
| Nyad | what is USR1 thingy? | 15:28 |
| ablomen | Nyad, ok well create a file named refresh.sh in your home dir that has this script in it: http://pastebin.ca/969188 | 15:29 |
| TheSheep | Nyad: a signal. man kill will give you details | 15:29 |
| ablomen | Nyad, then make it executable (chmod +x ~/refresh.sh) and add that script to your autostart list (settings->autostarted applications) | 15:30 |
| ablomen | that should do the job | 15:30 |
| Nyad | thats odd. the pastebin is empty | 15:32 |
| ablomen | ? its not empty here | 15:32 |
| TheSheep | neither here | 15:32 |
| Nyad | thats weird | 15:33 |
| ablomen | http://pastebin.ca/raw/969188 << this one? | 15:33 |
| Nyad | also empty | 15:33 |
| TheSheep | !pastebin | 15:35 |
| ubotu | pastebin is a service to post multiple-lined texts so you don't flood the channel. The Ubuntu pastebin is at http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org (make sure you give us the URL for your paste - see also the channel topic) | 15:35 |
| TheSheep | ablomen: try this one | 15:35 |
| TheSheep | btw, THe Right Way (tm) would be putting it into crontab :) | 15:36 |
| TheSheep | but I guess it's simplier like htis | 15:36 |
| ablomen | The_Kernel, that wont work for 30 seconds intervals | 15:36 |
| ablomen | woops sorry TheSheep | 15:36 |
| TheSheep | ablomen: why not? | 15:36 |
| ablomen | TheSheep, well because you an only put minutes hours and days etc in there | 15:37 |
| ablomen | Nyad, try wget http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/62033/plain/ -O ~/refresh.sh | 15:38 |
| TheSheep | hmm... what about the / | 15:38 |
| TheSheep | ah, it's only for ranges | 15:38 |
| TheSheep | ablomen: you are right, sorry | 15:38 |
| Nyad | thanks | 15:39 |
| Nyad | didn't know while loops could be used in shell scripts | 15:39 |
| TheSheep | it's a full programming language | 15:39 |
| TheSheep | albeit a little slow | 15:39 |
| ablomen | yeah bash rocks, sometimes | 15:39 |
| TheSheep | I've seen a web browser implemented in it | 15:39 |
| TheSheep | well, ok, with a helper program for parsing html :) | 15:40 |
| ablomen | nice | 15:41 |
| ablomen | i must admit though, i almost always use perl for these small lill scripts, syntax is better for me (being a php programmer) | 15:41 |
| TheSheep | ablomen: perl is designed for text processing and for one-line scripts, very handy | 15:42 |
| ablomen | yep :) | 15:42 |
| TheSheep | ablomen: I think it was initially supposed to be a replacement for awk | 15:42 |
| TheSheep | and sed | 15:43 |
| ablomen | could be, seeing how centered it is around regex | 15:43 |
| ablomen | its pretty powerfull now though, actually made a small game-like thingy with perl-sdl | 15:43 |
| TheSheep | my home page is running in perl :) | 15:44 |
| TheSheep | it's a perl-based wiki engine | 15:44 |
| ablomen | heh cool :) | 15:45 |
| TheSheep | the original wiki was in perl too | 15:45 |
| ablomen | i personally never liked perl for web-based stuff though, php is so easy to use for web scripting | 15:45 |
| TheSheep | s/was/is | 15:45 |
| TheSheep | ablomen: php is evil | 15:45 |
| TheSheep | ablomen: mixing html and code is a bad idea | 15:46 |
| ablomen | thats not php's fault ;) | 15:46 |
| TheSheep | ablomen: there are good php apps, but they all use templates | 15:46 |
| ablomen | yeah exactly i only make sites with smarty, so i never mix code with html :) | 15:46 |
| TheSheep | ablomen: of course it's alwas the programmer's fault | 15:46 |
| TheSheep | ablomen: but making such mistakes easy is the language's fault | 15:47 |
| ablomen | meh i dont think so, i dont like it if scripting/programming languages limit you (take for instance python, i cant stand python) | 15:47 |
| Nyad | btw is the image selection random? or is it sequential? | 15:47 |
| ablomen | random i think | 15:47 |
| TheSheep | Nyad: sequential | 15:48 |
| TheSheep | :P | 15:48 |
| ablomen | ah ok :P | 15:48 |
| Nyad | anyway to change that? | 15:48 |
| ablomen | Nyad, sure you have the source :P | 15:48 |
| TheSheep | Nyad: you can shuffle the list | 15:48 |
| Nyad | ablomen: hehe | 15:48 |
| TheSheep | Nyad: but it's still sequential then | 15:48 |
| Nyad | how do I shuffle it? | 15:49 |
| TheSheep | Nyad: you can pipe it through shuf | 15:50 |
| Nyad | it is random actually. but Im interested in what you mean by pipe it through shuf? | 15:50 |
| TheSheep | like cat list | shuf | 15:51 |
| Nyad | I don't get it | 15:52 |
| Tu13es | hm, since I upgraded to the latest hardy it seems my xfce session won't log in. as soon as I enter my username/pass I just get a blue screen | 15:53 |
| Tu13es | I can't remember how to fix it | 15:53 |
| ablomen | Tu13es, you could try moving your .config/xfce4 and/or .config/xfce4-session directories | 15:55 |
| ablomen | maybe that helps | 15:55 |
| Tu13es | gotcha | 15:57 |
| Nyad | I've heard people say that KDE is more configurable than gnome, where would xfce fit into this? | 15:58 |
| Tu13es | ablomen: woo, that did it :) | 15:58 |
| ablomen | Tu13es, ah cool :) | 15:59 |
| RandomDestructn | Nyad, xfce is more minimal. It doesn't adopt a 'the user must be protected from too much information' attitude like gnome, so its configuration isnt neutered, but it isnt elaborate either. | 16:03 |
| RandomDestructn | but I dunno as I dont use gnome or kde at all anymore | 16:03 |
| RandomDestructn | xfce and I get along far too well for me to cheat on her | 16:03 |
| Nyad | RandomDestructn: what got you hooked? the speed? | 16:04 |
| ablomen | for me xfce is like low-fat gnome, its clean and fast == great :) | 16:05 |
| Tu13es | for me it was the right-click desktop menu and the small panel | 16:07 |
| RandomDestructn | Nyad, I can configure it the way I like, and its light | 16:07 |
| Tu13es | I'm down to one tiny panel about 1/3 of the length of my screen at the bottom, and that's it | 16:07 |
| Tu13es | and, yeah, it's nice and light | 16:07 |
| Tu13es | and it's got compositing support so I can run compiz :) | 16:08 |
| RandomDestructn | I use focus follows mouse, with sloppy focus, alt + left click move, alt + right click resize. | 16:08 |
| RandomDestructn | not all wm can do that | 16:08 |
| RandomDestructn | gnome and kde probably can tho | 16:08 |
| RandomDestructn | but xfce is super esay to set that up | 16:08 |
| Tu13es | ah, yeah I just started using focus following | 16:08 |
| RandomDestructn | no raise on click as well | 16:08 |
| RandomDestructn | alt click to raise | 16:08 |
| RandomDestructn | that way I can type in an app without it moving itself to the top, which i may not want | 16:09 |
| RandomDestructn | my setup btw if its worth anything: http://www.pithed.org/oink/mydesktopfull.png | 16:09 |
| Tu13es | wait, what's sloppy focus | 16:09 |
| Tu13es | ? | 16:09 |
| Tu13es | oh, nm | 16:09 |
| Tu13es | I understand what you're saying now | 16:09 |
| RandomDestructn | "With this focus model, moving the mouse cursor over a window gives the window the input focus. Moving the mouse cursor from a window into the root window does not change the input focus. The input focus may be changed in other ways as well (such as alt-tab), so it is not always true that the input focus is the window under the mouse cursor. Moving the mouse cursor on top of a window does not necessarily raise the window." | 16:10 |
| Tu13es | yeah, that's what I use | 16:10 |
| RandomDestructn | I love the alt right click resize | 16:10 |
| RandomDestructn | I'm amazed that hasnt taken off | 16:10 |
| RandomDestructn | who wants to find the tiny edge of a window to resize? | 16:10 |
| RandomDestructn | I just click anywhere inside and drag it about | 16:11 |
| RandomDestructn | same with moving windows, who wants to find the tiny titlebar | 16:11 |
| RandomDestructn | just click dead centre and drag it | 16:11 |
| Nyad | in kde we have kdesu, whats it for xfcs? | 16:12 |
| RandomDestructn | dunno what kdesu is | 16:12 |
| RandomDestructn | as im not a kde user | 16:12 |
| RandomDestructn | oh su? | 16:12 |
| Nyad | ya | 16:12 |
| ablomen | gksudo | 16:13 |
| RandomDestructn | yeh | 16:13 |
| RandomDestructn | I was reading that as k-desu. lol | 16:13 |
| RandomDestructn | thought it was some 4chan junk | 16:13 |
| Nyad | RandomDestructn: whats that performance thing you have in your taskbar? | 16:14 |
| Nyad | nvm I got it | 16:14 |
| RandomDestructn | I dont use that anymore due to the one on the desktop. <3 conky | 16:15 |
| RandomDestructn | but yeah, lots of neat panel plugins | 16:15 |
| Nyad | how do I make one on the desktop like that? | 16:16 |
| RandomDestructn | program is called conky | 16:16 |
| RandomDestructn | mine is close to the default config, but you may have to hack up the .conkyrc file a bit to make it look right | 16:16 |
| RandomDestructn | but its worth it imo | 16:16 |
| Nyad | what does conky do? | 16:17 |
| RandomDestructn | exactly what you see in that image | 16:17 |
| Nyad | its just a performance monitor | 16:18 |
| Tu13es | anyone know how to change the name of what things are listed as in ifconfig? | 16:18 |
| Tu13es | I think I need to fiddle with /etc/network/interfaces but not sure exactly how | 16:19 |
| RandomDestructn | yeh Nyad | 16:19 |
| TheSheep | Tu13es: try /etc/iftab | 16:20 |
| Tu13es | TheSheep: I don't show anything there | 16:20 |
| TheSheep | Tu13es: which version is it? | 16:21 |
| Tu13es | which version is what? | 16:21 |
| Tu13es | er, TheSheep | 16:21 |
| TheSheep | of xubuntu | 16:21 |
| Tu13es | I'm on the hardy beta | 16:21 |
| ablomen | TheSheep, it isnt on here either (gutsy) | 16:21 |
| TheSheep | ah, then check /etc/udev/rules.d/70-persistent-net.rules | 16:21 |
| Tu13es | hmm | 16:22 |
| Tu13es | ah :) | 16:22 |
| Nyad | I removed my bar at the top but now a small little square remains there, how do I remove it? | 16:33 |
| tobberot1 | I can't use finch properly in xterm under xfce on ubuntu, apparantly because ncurses for ubuntu is compiled without support for utf8... i can't write swedish characters in it | 16:43 |
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| Nyad | back | 16:49 |
| JBrewster5421 | Hi Everyone...I'm having a problem installing xubuntu...It keeps freezing at 15%, and will not go any further...can anyone help? | 16:50 |
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| TheSheep | JBrewster5421: percentage doesn't give me too much information, any other indication of what it is doing? | 16:58 |
| TheSheep | JBrewster5421: there should be a log at /var/log/ somewhere | 16:58 |
| JBrewster5421 | im not really sure | 16:59 |
| JBrewster5421 | It's right after I select the partitions and everything, then i go to have it partition the HD... | 16:59 |
| JBrewster5421 | Then it gets to Checking File System, and freezes | 16:59 |
| TheSheep | JBrewster5421: well, checking the file system takes a while | 17:00 |
| TheSheep | especially on large disks | 17:00 |
| JBrewster5421 | well, the computer completely freezes, because I can't even move the mouse like i should be able to | 17:00 |
| JBrewster5421 | I even tried the Alternate installer, and that froze too... | 17:01 |
| TheSheep | ouch | 17:01 |
| TheSheep | is it a new hardware? | 17:01 |
| JBrewster5421 | no, it's an existing machine... | 17:01 |
| TheSheep | JBrewster5421: I mean, is it recent? | 17:02 |
| JBrewster5421 | well, practically...i've just recently replaced mostly everything in it... | 17:02 |
| TheSheep | or there might be some problems with support of new hardware in the kernel | 17:03 |
| TheSheep | which version are you trying to install? | 17:03 |
| JBrewster5421 | 7.10.10 | 17:04 |
| JBrewster5421 | Should I maybe use an older version and see if that works? | 17:05 |
| Keigo-kun | ncurses seems to hate UTF8, how do I fix it? | 17:09 |
| TheSheep | Keigo-kun: I think it has a special set of functions for handling utf8 | 17:13 |
| TheSheep | JBrewster5421: I'd try 8.04, it's in beta already, will be relased this month | 17:14 |
| TheSheep | JBrewster5421: it has newer kernel | 17:14 |
| JBrewster5421 | okay | 17:14 |
| JBrewster5421 | will do | 17:14 |
| JBrewster5421 | hopefully that works, otherwise i'll be back here again lol | 17:15 |
| TheSheep | some boot options could help too | 17:16 |
| JBrewster5421 | which ones should i try? | 17:17 |
| TheSheep | no idea, you can either experiment or search the forums for your hardware and see if anybody had this problem and solved it | 17:17 |
| TheSheep | !boot | 17:18 |
| ubotu | Boot options: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/BootOptions - To add/remove startup services, you can use the package 'bum', or update-rc.d - To add your own startup scripts, use /etc/rc.local - See also !grub and !dualboot - Making a boot floppy: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/GrubHowto/BootFloppy - Also see https://help.ubuntu.com/community/SmartBootManagerHowto | 17:18 |
| TheSheep | here is some docs on boot options | 17:18 |
| JBrewster5421 | ok | 17:18 |
| === march is now known as march_afk | ||
| Ors | Hi there, I have some problem with installation. It installs for a while but then I get a dark screen and it seems to jam. I have checked the disc for defects, and there are none. Any ideas what to do? | 17:47 |
| TheSheep | Ors: you're using the livecd or the alternate installer? | 17:48 |
| TheSheep | Ors: which version are you installing? | 17:48 |
| Ors | livecd, | 17:48 |
| Ors | the latest, just downloaded a couple of days ago | 17:48 |
| TheSheep | Ors: 8.04 or 7.10? | 17:49 |
| Ors | 7.10 | 17:49 |
| Tu13es | TheSheep: hm, so it seems my wifi card is getting named "wlan0_rename" somewhere despite me changing that fole, any ideas? | 17:49 |
| TheSheep | Tu13es: I had it too, never had time to investigate, especially when it worked just fine | 17:50 |
| TheSheep | Tu13es: went away after I installed hardy | 17:50 |
| Tu13es | hm | 17:50 |
| Tu13es | strange | 17:50 |
| Ors | shall I try 8.04? | 17:51 |
| TheSheep | Tu13es: I think it might be related to the restricted driver it uses | 17:51 |
| TheSheep | Ors: it's still in beta, going to be released in 3 weeks | 17:51 |
| Tu13es | TheSheep: hm, the Hardware Drivers thing says there are no propietary drivers in use | 17:52 |
| TheSheep | Tu13es: ah, then it's not it. there were with my card | 17:53 |
| Ors | TheSheep: what is strange that when I interrupt the installation and go back to my original system a window pops up with the message whether I want to uninstall xubuntu. So it seems that some files have been copied | 17:54 |
| TheSheep | Ors: what's the original system? | 17:55 |
| Ors | Windows Me | 17:55 |
| TheSheep | you are using wubi? | 17:55 |
| Ors | Is that the file with which you can start installation from the cd? Sorry, I am quite new... It said that it had problem retrieving some files | 17:56 |
| TheSheep | Ors: I'm not sure how wubu works, it's supposed to install from under windows. To use normal installer, you just boot your computer from the cd | 17:58 |
| Keigo-kun | I'm using mp3blaster in a xfce-terminal window, and I need to use F1 in that program. F1 however brings up the xfce doc in links. How do I capture input with the terminal? | 17:59 |
| TheSheep | Keigo-kun: right-click on the teminal, select settings, go to keybinding settings and disable the one for f1 | 17:59 |
| Keigo-kun | ok thanks | 17:59 |
| Ors | TheSheep: I used the normal installer. And tried wubi too, and I had the following message: Could not retrieve some essential files | 17:59 |
| TheSheep | that's weird, you say you verified the cd? | 18:00 |
| Keigo-kun | TheSheep: Didn't help, the terminal still doesn't register me pressing F1 | 18:00 |
| Ors | TheSheep: yes, indeed. What about alternative installation, but I do not know how that works | 18:01 |
| TheSheep | Keigo-kun: weird, it works for me | 18:01 |
| TheSheep | Keigo-kun: you did 'clear' that shortcut? | 18:01 |
| TheSheep | Ors: you boot from it, and it has a text-based installer, but with menus and stuff, pretty similar to the one in the livecd | 18:02 |
| Keigo-kun | TheSheep: Yes | 18:02 |
| Ors | TheSheep: Do you reckon I should give it a try? | 18:02 |
| TheSheep | Ors: since I don't have any other ideas, you might try :) | 18:03 |
| Keigo-kun | TheSheep: F2 and F3 isn't working either.. F6 is working fine though | 18:03 |
| Ors | TheSheep: I'll do that, will be back later to inform you, Thanks | 18:03 |
| TheSheep | Keigo-kun: check if you have them bound in the keyboard settings | 18:04 |
| TheSheep | Keigo-kun: but it hsould work, since it worked to bring the help in the terminal... | 18:04 |
| Keigo-kun | TheSheep: None of them are used in keyboard settings | 18:05 |
| Keigo-kun | Maybe it's a problem with rxvt-unicode? | 18:05 |
| TheSheep | Keigo-kun: you are not using the default terminal? :) | 18:06 |
| Keigo-kun | TheSheep: No, xterm sucks. I couldn't use finch with it | 18:06 |
| Keigo-kun | anyways, it's not the fault of the backend | 18:06 |
| TheSheep | Keigo-kun: I mean the xfce4-terminal | 18:07 |
| Keigo-kun | if I start rxvt-unicode by itself, it works fine | 18:07 |
| Keigo-kun | TheSheep: xfce4-terminal uses xterm as the backend | 18:07 |
| Keigo-kun | by default | 18:07 |
| TheSheep | I thought it uses libvte | 18:07 |
| Keigo-kun | mine sure didn't.. then again, this isn't xubuntu | 18:08 |
| TheSheep | ah, then maybe you should ask on the distribution's channel | 18:08 |
| TheSheep | some things might be specific | 18:09 |
| TheSheep | to their distro | 18:09 |
| Keigo-kun | Kind of hard to do :) this is ubuntu with ubuntu-desktop removed and xfce4 installed manually | 18:09 |
| TheSheep | Keigo-kun: then it's pretty much the same as xubuntu | 18:09 |
| TheSheep | with some packages removed | 18:09 |
| Keigo-kun | TheSheep: Maybe that lib was one of the removed packages, my xfce4-terminal was set to xterm when I installed it.. | 18:10 |
| TheSheep | but I don't know anything about rxvt | 18:10 |
| TheSheep | Keigo-kun: try install xfce4-terminal manually | 18:10 |
| Keigo-kun | I did, it didn't come with xfce4 | 18:10 |
| TheSheep | well, mine xfce4-terminal surely doesn't use xterm -- it has anti-aliased, hinted fonts, supports unicode and lets me click urls | 18:12 |
| Keigo-kun | TheSheep: That isn't saying much though. In your xfce4, go to edit->preferences | 18:12 |
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| === daneilm is now known as danielm | ||
| Keigo-kun | under advanced, it should say $TERM setting | 18:12 |
| Keigo-kun | mine was set to xterm by default | 18:13 |
| TheSheep | Keigo-kun: yes, that's what it sets the 'TERM' environment variable for the processes that are started | 18:13 |
| TheSheep | Keigo-kun: has nothing to do with the backend | 18:13 |
| TheSheep | Keigo-kun: it's the thing that gets displayed when you type 'echo $TERM' | 18:13 |
| Keigo-kun | TheSheep: Actually, it makes tons of difference | 18:13 |
| Keigo-kun | TheSheep: With mine set to xterm i can't use finch, with it set to rxvt-unicode I can | 18:14 |
| TheSheep | Keigo-kun: it just tells the programs what escape sequences to use | 18:14 |
| TheSheep | Keigo-kun: it doesn't affect hwo the teminal emulator works | 18:15 |
| Keigo-kun | TheSheep: Odd since changing it fixed my problems | 18:15 |
| TheSheep | Keigo-kun: well, maybe the escape sequence for F1 is different under xterm than under rxcvt | 18:16 |
| Keigo-kun | I doubt that would affect this problem | 18:16 |
| TheSheep | Keigo-kun: you arestarting finch locally or on a remote host? | 18:17 |
| Keigo-kun | locallu | 18:17 |
| Keigo-kun | *y | 18:17 |
| TheSheep | what does it say when you start it with TERM set to xterm? | 18:18 |
| Keigo-kun | the program works fine, the difference is that I can't write å ä ö in finch | 18:19 |
| TheSheep | what's your LANG setting? | 18:19 |
| Keigo-kun | en_US.UTF8 | 18:19 |
| TheSheep | :/ | 18:19 |
| TheSheep | should work | 18:19 |
| Keigo-kun | I've been trying to fix it all day, everyone blamed xterm | 18:20 |
| Keigo-kun | I got the error in xterm aswell you see | 18:20 |
| TheSheep | well, I can type ąęśćżź just fine in irssi | 18:20 |
| Keigo-kun | so I downloaded rxvt-unicode and tried in that.. it worked perfectly | 18:20 |
| Keigo-kun | TheSheep: So can i, in xterm | 18:20 |
| Keigo-kun | finch is the only place where i had the problem | 18:20 |
| TheSheep | I use xfce4-termina | 18:20 |
| TheSheep | l | 18:20 |
| TheSheep | well, report a bug for finch :) | 18:21 |
| Keigo-kun | it's not a finch error | 18:21 |
| Keigo-kun | it's an ubuntu/xterm error | 18:21 |
| TheSheep | then report it for ubuntu/xterm, but it will be moved to finch anyways | 18:21 |
| TheSheep | !bugs | 18:22 |
| ubotu | If you find a bug in Ubuntu or any of its derivatives, please file a bug report at: http://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu - Bugs in/wishes for the bots can be filed at http://launchpad.net/ubuntu-bots | 18:22 |
| Keigo-kun | xterm has bad compability for UTF8 apparently | 18:22 |
| TheSheep | Keigo-kun: let me repeat myself: xfce4-terminal DOESN'T USE XTERM | 18:22 |
| TheSheep | Keigo-kun: that setting merely affects the environment variable that applications use to determine what escape sequences to use for input and output | 18:23 |
| TheSheep | Keigo-kun: ad 'xterm' is a very standard set of escape sequences | 18:24 |
| Keigo-kun | TheSheep: Well, everyone I have asked about my unicode problem claims its an xterm issue | 18:25 |
| TheSheep | Keigo-kun: anyways, it should work with he default settings, if it doesn't, it's a bug and shouldbe reported, so if you have a moment you could report it, so that it will be fixed or worked around in future versions | 18:26 |
| TheSheep | Keigo-kun: also, reporting a bug will probably give you feedback from developers who will know for sure where the problem is | 18:26 |
| Keigo-kun | TheSheep: I guess, I'm just so horrible at explaining problems :/ | 18:27 |
| TheSheep | Keigo-kun: or I'm horrible at listening | 18:28 |
| TheSheep | Keigo-kun: which, by the way, I am :) | 18:28 |
| Keigo-kun | I'm just kinda annoyed right now, changing the $TERM, regardless of what it does, fixed my problems | 18:28 |
| Keigo-kun | so the only thing pissing me off is the F1,2,3 behaviour | 18:28 |
| Keigo-kun | since I can't use my programs without those keys | 18:29 |
| TheSheep | Keigo-kun: maybe try xterm-color or even vt100 | 18:29 |
| TheSheep | (vt100 is the most standard setting there might be) | 18:29 |
| Keigo-kun | You seriously mean that variable only changes escape sequences? | 18:31 |
| Keigo-kun | putting it to VT100 made my whole terminal black and white | 18:31 |
| Keigo-kun | oddly enough, that also made F1 works, but I'm not to fond of no colors | 18:32 |
| zoredache | setting TERM tells the programs you run what escape sequences they are allowed to send | 18:33 |
| Keigo-kun | zoredache: And that changes color O.O? | 18:33 |
| zoredache | Keigo-kun: it would depend on the programs you run. Some programs could just to provide color for xterm and b+w for vt100 | 18:33 |
| Keigo-kun | zoredache: Allright, that makes sense i guess. then my question becomes: Why does F1 work in rxvt-unicode, but mp3blaster does not let F1 work in xfce4-terminal if TERM is set to rxvt-unicode? | 18:34 |
| TheSheep | Keigo-kun: vt100 was originally a hardware terminal, black&white (amber or green actually, I think), with 80x24 display | 18:35 |
| TheSheep | Keigo-kun: I think it didn't even have direction keys, but I might be mistaken | 18:35 |
| zoredache | I don't know about F1... perhaps the terminal is application is not properly passing it along | 18:36 |
| Keigo-kun | zoredache: But it's the same application... the only difference is the $TERM setting | 18:36 |
| TheSheep | Keigo-kun: you can see the list of term settings you can try in /usr/share/terminfo | 18:36 |
| zoredache | te application is the same, but the terminal isn't. In xfce4-terminal by default F1 is intercepted by the terminal and makes the help come up | 18:37 |
| TheSheep | I thnk that vt102 or vt220 was color | 18:37 |
| TheSheep | zoredache: that we fixed already | 18:38 |
| Keigo-kun | zoredache: Yes, but that would be true for both having vt100 and rxvt-unicode as $TERM, yet it works in one but not the other | 18:38 |
| zoredache | TheSheep: how do you change that? | 18:38 |
| TheSheep | zoredache: now the problem is that xfce4-terminal sends an xterm-encoded f1, but the application expects an rxvt-unicode-encoded F1 | 18:38 |
| TheSheep | zoredache: you go to shortcuts and remove that shortcut | 18:38 |
| TheSheep | zoredache: in the settings | 18:38 |
| TheSheep | zoredache: of the xfce4-terminal | 18:39 |
| zoredache | right, got it... | 18:39 |
| TheSheep | Keigo-kun: tried xterm-debian maybe? | 18:39 |
| Keigo-kun | TheSheep: I'll give it a try.. but I'm not fond of putting xterm there since I use finch a lot | 18:40 |
| Keigo-kun | TheSheep: xterm-debian works for mp3blaster at least. i get color and F1 works | 18:40 |
| TheSheep | Keigo-kun: try the accented characters | 18:41 |
| Keigo-kun | starting finch in it now.. | 18:41 |
| Keigo-kun | hahaha new error | 18:42 |
| TheSheep | :3 | 18:42 |
| Keigo-kun | arrowkeys are not working in finch anymore | 18:42 |
| Keigo-kun | How is it possible for something so simple to be so complex O.o | 18:43 |
| TheSheep | I'd be guessing finch tries to do its own terminal support routines and fails badly | 18:43 |
| TheSheep | the developers probably only tested it on their own computers with rxvt terminal | 18:43 |
| Keigo-kun | I somehow doubt it, i mean it's pidgin, it's pretty much the biggest IM client on linux right now | 18:44 |
| Keigo-kun | at least that's what I've seen | 18:44 |
| TheSheep | Keigo-kun: the part that supports the terminal is not part of pidgin | 18:44 |
| Keigo-kun | finch is a part of pidgin... allthough i guess the developers aren't the same | 18:45 |
| Keigo-kun | xterm-color is no go | 18:45 |
| TheSheep | Keigo-kun: I wonder if it has a support channel on freenode... | 18:45 |
| Keigo-kun | It doesn't.. when I asked in pidgin, they blamed xterm | 18:46 |
| TheSheep | sweet | 18:46 |
| TheSheep | well, surely there *is* a bug somewhere, and since all other apps work fine with xterm... | 18:46 |
| Keigo-kun | I guess my only option is to use rxvt-unicode.. which kinda stinks since you can't paste and stuff in it | 18:49 |
| TheSheep | you could write a small shell script for starting finch | 18:49 |
| TheSheep | with 'export TERM=rxvt-unicode; finch' in it | 18:49 |
| Keigo-kun | hmm, that sounds like a good idea actually | 18:50 |
| zoredache | does that actually work? | 18:50 |
| TheSheep | zoredache: yeah, why not? | 18:50 |
| zoredache | because when I press F1 in rxvt-unicde I get '5b1b 3131 1b7e 315b' when I press F1 in xfce4-terminal I get a '4f1b 1b50 504f' | 18:52 |
| zoredache | I start both terminals and do a cat | hexdump btw to get those | 18:52 |
| TheSheep | zoredache: but finch doesn't need f1 | 18:52 |
| Keigo-kun | actually, i'm doing it the other way, i did EXPORT TERM=xterm before entering mp3blaster and that worked fine | 18:53 |
| zoredache | ah, I guess I am lost about what needs to be fixed | 18:53 |
| Keigo-kun | zoredache: rxvt-unicode works perfectly for me except that some FX buttons won't work, they are needed in mp3blaster | 18:54 |
| zoredache | ah | 18:55 |
| TheSheep | Keigo-kun: btw, hw do you type these åâā, etc? | 18:56 |
| Keigo-kun | They are on my swedish keyboard | 18:56 |
| Keigo-kun | öäå | 18:56 |
| TheSheep | ah, ok | 18:56 |
| Keigo-kun | But I actually think this bug is in xfce4-terminal | 18:56 |
| Keigo-kun | Since F1 works fine in rxvt-unicode, why should it not work in xfce4-terminal? | 18:57 |
| TheSheep | Keigo-kun: well, try it in some other apps, like midnight commander for example | 18:57 |
| Keigo-kun | obviously xfce4-terminal isn't honest about the escape sequences | 18:57 |
| TheSheep | Keigo-kun: it is, it uses xterm escape sequences | 18:57 |
| TheSheep | Keigo-kun: no matter how you set the TERM vairable | 18:58 |
| zoredache | because rxvt sends vt102, and xfce-terminal sends xterm | 18:58 |
| Keigo-kun | That isn't making any sense.. | 18:58 |
| zoredache | what part? | 18:58 |
| Keigo-kun | If xfce4-terminal sends xterm, what does the $TERM variable do again? | 18:59 |
| zoredache | the terminal sends stuff and the application recieves stuff | 18:59 |
| TheSheep | Keigo-kun: tells the applications what to expect | 18:59 |
| zoredache | the TERM lets the application know what it is getting | 18:59 |
| Keigo-kun | Hmm I see | 19:00 |
| Keigo-kun | so the problem is that Finch does not like xterms escape sequences then | 19:00 |
| TheSheep | exactly | 19:00 |
| Keigo-kun | and xterm can't send F1? | 19:00 |
| TheSheep | it can, but it does it differently than rxvt | 19:01 |
| Tu13es | bleh | 19:01 |
| Tu13es | Kernel IPI is taking over 50% of my wakeups | 19:01 |
| * TheSheep doesn't even know what's IPI | 19:02 | |
| Tu13es | seems it's the OS rescheduling things | 19:02 |
| Tu13es | a LOT | 19:02 |
| TheSheep | the 2.6 cheduler is not exactly suited for desktops | 19:03 |
| TheSheep | there are some patches with alternate schedulers, but it requires recompilation, of course | 19:03 |
| Tu13es | mm | 19:07 |
| Tu13es | seems it's a bug | 19:07 |
| Tu13es | https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/linux/+bug/177895 | 19:08 |
| ubotu | Launchpad bug 177895 in linux "Kernel 2.6.24-2 causing ~1000 wakeups by "Rescheduling Interrupts"" [Medium,In progress] | 19:08 |
| TheSheep | cool utility that powertop | 19:20 |
| TheSheep | I'm getting a negative number of wakeups per second %) | 19:20 |
| taza | What problem am I seeing here, if the card shows free 285mb, total size 7.4gb and used 6.8gb? | 19:28 |
| taza | Is some reserved to root and how can I remove the root reservation? | 19:29 |
| TheSheep | card? | 19:29 |
| taza | Ehh. It's a removable sdhc. | 19:29 |
| taza | In /etc/fstab as /card. Sorry, braindead today. | 19:30 |
| TheSheep | maybe it's use by trash? | 19:30 |
| taza | I don't use trash | 19:30 |
| taza | I use rm -rf and shift-del | 19:30 |
| taza | I mean, it seems pretty obvious it's being reserved for rot | 19:31 |
| taza | * root | 19:31 |
| Keigo-kun | Awesome, kicked from #pidgin | 19:31 |
| Keigo-kun | my claims that there could be a bug in finch was not appriciated | 19:32 |
| taza | Welcome to #freenode | 19:32 |
| taza | Err. | 19:32 |
| taza | Freenode. Not #freenode | 19:33 |
| taza | #freenode is actually quite nice | 19:33 |
| taza | Except that root gives the same df size. o.O | 19:34 |
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| zoredache | taza: what filesystem was you card? with an ext3 you have some reseved by root, and that can be adjusted by tune2fs | 19:41 |
| TheSheep | Keigo-kun: ouch, sorry about that | 19:42 |
| Keigo-kun | they invited me back in | 19:42 |
| TheSheep | madness | 19:43 |
| Keigo-kun | basically, this fellow is telling me this isn't possibly a bug in finch | 19:43 |
| Keigo-kun | he's saying my terminfo is probably messed up | 19:43 |
| Keigo-kun | I don't know how it's possible since I installed X today... but yeah | 19:43 |
| TheSheep | Keigo-kun: that's a possibility too, but then it would be messed in other apps too | 19:43 |
| zoredache | Keigo-kun: you have to becareful about telling people there are bugs in unspecified bugs in something... | 19:43 |
| zoredache | it is better to not call it a bug and simply say something like. I called widget foo, and expected bar, but instead I got foobar! | 19:44 |
| Keigo-kun | Yeah I guess | 19:44 |
| taza | zoredache: ext2 | 19:44 |
| zoredache | ah, the same is true for ext2... look at the tune2fs manpage... I suspect you may have it set at the 5% reserve which is default... I don't know how to change it though | 19:45 |
| TheSheep | 'bug' is emotionaly loaded, true | 19:45 |
| Keigo-kun | I've seen it before... it's pretty normal for me to run between 4 channels before my linux problems are fixed, since everyone is blaming everyone else | 19:46 |
| Keigo-kun | most of the time though, it's a simple configuration error | 19:46 |
| taza | zoredache: -r did nothing at least | 19:48 |
| zoredache | you remounted after making the change? | 19:48 |
| taza | zoredache: But -r -m did | 19:49 |
| taza | -r 0 -m 0 | 19:49 |
| taza | Did everything it should | 19:49 |
| taza | It's mounted as ro to users anyway | 19:49 |
| zoredache | taza how are you getting the information btw? | 19:52 |
| taza | zoredache: For what? | 19:52 |
| taza | The "did anything"? remount, df -h | 19:52 |
| zoredache | for available/in-use space | 19:52 |
| taza | ATM preparing my box for Hardy Xubuntu | 19:54 |
| zoredache | you might try using a tune2fs -l and then see what you get when you do a (total blocks - free blocks) * block size | 19:55 |
| zoredache | df may not be counting correctly | 19:55 |
| taza | Actually, it is. | 19:56 |
| taza | But you need to pass -m 0 and not -r 0 to tune2fs | 19:56 |
| zoredache | ah, so that fixed it? | 19:56 |
| taza | Yeah | 19:57 |
| taza | I'll be reformatting it soon tho | 19:57 |
| zoredache | the alt-installer has an option to set the reserved blocks when you are setting up your filesystems | 19:58 |
| zoredache | On drives used for data I usually set it to 1-2% instead of the default 5% | 19:58 |
| taza | This is an external drive formatted afterwards | 20:00 |
| taza | Also, does anyone know what force-hpet in grub options does? | 20:00 |
| TheSheep | taza: not sure, but I have recently had some hp computers on which grub didn't work | 20:02 |
| TheSheep | taza: I need to test this option :) | 20:02 |
| Keigo-kun | hmm, after spending ages in #pidgin i got.... no answers XD | 20:33 |
| Keigo-kun | it did help though, i guess | 20:33 |
| TheSheep | Keigo-kun: hopefully this will be solved eventually | 20:34 |
| Keigo-kun | TheSheep: Yeah, they told me someone I could ask for more help on the issue | 20:34 |
| Keigo-kun | they said the problem is one of those: 1) terminfo, 2) the terminal, 3) the mode finch is using, 4) ncurses | 20:34 |
| Keigo-kun | If the terminfo is wrong, it's probably an ubuntuwide error | 20:35 |
| TheSheep | that pretty much exchausts the elements that take part in input :) | 20:35 |
| TheSheep | exhausts | 20:35 |
| Keigo-kun | hehe yeah | 20:35 |
| Keigo-kun | the guy helping me actually had the same error it turned out | 20:35 |
| Keigo-kun | I guess most people won't notice it, since they don't use the affected keys | 20:36 |
| TheSheep | yeah | 20:37 |
| TheSheep | that's the problem with ascii-only programmers: no testing :) | 20:38 |
| TheSheep | I've met many developers who didn't even understand what unicode is for | 20:39 |
| Stroganoff | theres no way to move the ~/Templates folder to a different position (hide it), am i right? | 21:35 |
| zoredache | what program uses a ~/Templates folder? | 21:37 |
| TheSheep | thunar | 21:38 |
| TheSheep | Stroganoff: I believe its on the todo list for thunar | 21:39 |
| Stroganoff | k | 21:39 |
| TheSheep | Stroganoff: but you know how the release schedule for xfce looks :) | 21:39 |
| Stroganoff | no i dont ^^ | 21:39 |
| TheSheep | Stroganoff: like this: "when it's ready" | 21:39 |
| Stroganoff | wouldnt it break nautilus compatibility if just thunar moves this? | 21:40 |
| Stroganoff | is ~/Templates part of freedesktop? | 21:40 |
| Stroganoff | too many questions | 21:40 |
| TheSheep | no idea, check at http://freedesktop.org | 21:40 |
| Kaushik | sudo apt-get install emacs22-common-non-dfsg fails with a complaint that says /usr/share/emacs/22.1/etc/CENSORSHIP cannot be over written | 21:40 |
| Kaushik | is there some other way to install it? | 21:40 |
| TheSheep | thunar could probably check and merge two or more directories | 21:40 |
| TheSheep | Keigo-kun: what does 'dpkg -S /usr/share/emacs/22.1/etc/CENSORSHIP' say? | 21:41 |
| Kaushik | TheSheep: it says the file is also in emacs22-common | 21:42 |
| Troofy | when i try to configure wine by settings>wine this appears. http://img179.imageshack.us/img179/4903/snapshot1yd5.png any help? | 21:42 |
| TheSheep | Kaushik: upgrading the emac22-common first might help | 21:43 |
| TheSheep | Troofy: I believe this is not a xubuntu problem | 21:45 |
| Troofy | k | 21:45 |
| TheSheep | Troofy: try at #kubuntu maybe | 21:45 |
| Kaushik | TheSheep: upgraded emacs22-common, but the error persists | 21:45 |
| Kaushik | TheSheep: two packages want to write the same file.. | 21:46 |
| TheSheep | Kaushik: maybe the package you are trying to install replaces it, but wasn't marked as such properly? | 21:46 |
| TheSheep | Kaushik: tried removing the emacs22-common? | 21:46 |
| TheSheep | Kaushik: there was some dpkg flag to make it not remove dependencies | 21:47 |
| TheSheep | Kaushik: still a packaging bug that you could report | 21:47 |
| Kaushik | TheSheep: emacs22-common is a dependency for emacs22 and erc.. can't remove | 21:48 |
| Stroganoff | is it possible to remove the floppy disk from the thunar shortcuts panel? | 21:52 |
| Stroganoff | is there a hotkey to enable image thumbnails in thunar? | 22:02 |
| TheSheep | Stroganoff: you can also try asking at #xfce | 22:10 |
| zoredache | is there anything that can be done to make xfce4-terminal more efficient? | 22:45 |
| zoredache | I use putty and connect to my localhost as account, and startup an xfce4-terminal session... | 22:46 |
| zoredache | when I do a 'times find ~' in putty it finishes in 7.2ms... when I run the same command in xfce4-terminal it takes 18.3ms | 22:47 |
| march | goodnight :) | 22:47 |
| TheSheep | zoredache: I'm sure the 8ms difference is very annoying | 22:48 |
| TheSheep | zoredache: disable transparency, that should help a little | 22:48 |
| zoredache | TheSheep: this was just a test case... the same type of issue seems to show up when I am ssh to a remote host under xfce-terminal and I am looking at log files | 22:49 |
| zoredache | it feels like molasses, but it putty it is much faster... (but I like xfce-termial better overal) | 22:50 |
| zoredache | oh, and I don't have transparency... :| | 22:51 |
| benpage26 | Hi, can anyone help me i am having trouble with a xubuntu live CD | 23:54 |
| TheSheep | benpage26: can you elaborate? | 23:54 |
| benpage26 | I have the 7.10 live cd and have successfully booted it on my computer, but when i try to boot it on another PC it doesn't work | 23:55 |
| benpage26 | i thought the cd may be corrupt so i ran the CD check option, it detected an error | 23:56 |
| benpage26 | but when i run the same cd check on my laptop it detects no errors and says the CD is fine | 23:56 |
| TheSheep | benpage26: old cd drives may have probalems reading cd-r burned with high speeds. try burining it with the lowest speed you can | 23:56 |
| TheSheep | benpage26: also, laptop cd drives usually have pretty good error correction, to compensate lower laser power | 23:57 |
| benpage26 | ok, so i should burn a new live CD with the slowest speed possible | 23:57 |
| benpage26 | aha, the test that passed was on my laptop, and the one that failed on an older PC | 23:57 |
| benpage26 | Would using the alternate install CD help at all? or is this just a problem with the CD not being read properly? | 23:58 |
| TheSheep | benpage26: the latter | 23:59 |
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