[00:10] hi [00:10] anyone here? [00:10] !anyone [00:10] A large amount of the first questions asked in this channel start with "Does anyone/anybody..." Why not ask your next question (the real one) and find out? [00:11] How do I get xubuntu to install on an MacBook? I've got a wasted Bootcamp partition that's begging to be filled with a better OS, also, where can I go to get third party apps for xubuntu? [00:12] I await your reply. [00:12] there is lots of applications in the repositor... You could also check out CNR.. Or you could look at the 3rd parties web site [00:13] I'm not familiar with either CNR or the repositor... [00:14] as for installing on the mac, search google for 'ubuntu mac'... There are tons of hits.. [00:14] the only place that I can think of for apps for Linux is Sourceforge [00:14] alright, thanks [00:14] crn => http://www.cnr.com/ [00:14] !repos [00:14] The packages in Ubuntu are divided into several sections. More information at https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Repositories and http://www.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/components - See https://wiki.ubuntu.com/RecommendedSources for the recommended way to set up your repositories [00:15] bleah... cnr [00:15] my friend gave me xubuntu at a party last night, and I figure I'd install it during a lecture... [00:16] https://help.ubuntu.com/community/MacBookPro would probably be useful.. as well [00:16] there will probably be minor differences in video drivers, but i suspect it is mostly the same install on macbook [00:18] I'm able to load and run xubuntu from the CD, but I haven't played around with installing it on an unused partition [00:24] UAanon: There is freashmeat which lists a lot of packages there is getdeb.com three is linuxgames.com [00:25] of course you couls always just go to google as well... :p [00:26] I prefer the human interaction. There's a reason why this is here, no? [00:27] Also, not to many people know how to use IRC outside AIM, Yahoo, MSN and the lot. [00:28] too* [00:29] eh? it was an answer your question about where you could find other software... I don't really consider this channel a place to find stuff outside xubuntu... [00:36] No, you were talking about me just Google-ing the info instead of coming here. There's a reason for this channel, so that people could come here to get help. I was merely validating my experience to come here for help. [00:36] Yeah, that was a bit fragmented, and I apologize. [00:42] Play nice, kids ; p === danielm_ is now known as danielm [01:23] I apologize if I tensed things up... [01:34] Anyone know how to change the system terminal font? [01:35] I don't, sorry. [01:36] Someone else might. [01:36] * xyz359 nods. =) [02:22] hello people. [02:23] i just installed 8.04 on my new laptop, and everything is working finr - except for one small thing that also bugged me in previous ubuntu versions. i can't for the love of god switch from utf8 to iso8859-1 [02:26] so, can anybody help me there? === gaurdro is now known as gaurdro|away === gaurdro|away is now known as gaurdro [09:57] how do u install xubuntu? [09:57] hi [11:54] Im using xfce right now, and im wondering if there is a way to make its panels "always on bottom" [11:55] if you right click a panel and choose "customize panel" you can put it where you want [12:14] well [12:14] not exactly what i need [12:15] it might be a session issue - do you have save session on exit enabled? [12:15] hi [12:15] or do you want maximised windows to cover the panel? [12:15] here's what i want to do: i have a panel with just Verve on it. Id like to have it in the middle of the desktop [12:15] yea [12:15] i need some help [12:17] terminhell: don't know if that is possible - it might be... [12:17] Adantan_Alex: you need to ask the question:) [12:17] ere4si: ive noticed that it is capable of doing it if i just switch it from fixd to movable [12:18] yes dual botting xubuntu [12:18] i want to have [12:18] oops [12:18] i want to have xubuntu have 20 giggabytes [12:18] but what partitions do i need to make? [12:19] use the live cd [12:19] i am i think [12:19] i am [12:19] and run the installer. it has the options to setup the partions for you [12:19] Adantan_Alex: you need the 20G partition for xubuntu and a swap partition about the size of your memory or a little larger [12:20] huh? [12:20] if you use the "guided %" you can adjust the %(size) it uses [12:20] what u mean? [12:20] can i hae 1 gigayte for the swap one? [12:20] ya [12:20] the live cd has the option to use the free space available - it will then set up the partitions as they are needed [12:20] thats a problem [12:20] the live CD doesnt work.... [12:21] then you have a problem [12:21] on my other computer [12:21] it is dont worry [12:21] using the alternate cd? [12:21] i needed to give it more time [12:21] no i got it [12:22] wow [12:22] now what i need to do [12:22] is there an icon on the desktop "Install" [12:22] yeah i know this from ubuntu [12:23] i just need to know what to put for partitions [12:23] well if you must do it manually... [12:23] setup a new primary partition with the mount point as "/" [12:23] yes dual botting [12:23] and give it the size [12:24] 20 gigabytes? [12:24] yes [12:24] ok hold on lol [12:24] 20,000,000 [12:24] doh [12:24] brb [12:24] i g2g for a few [12:24] lol does xubuntu have a task bar? [12:24] ok but does xubuntu have a task bar? [12:25] can someone help? ty [12:25] yep it does [12:26] lol mine doesnt [12:26] mine doesnt man [12:26] press alt + F2 then type xfce4-panel [12:26] ty [12:27] hold on lol [12:27] does this normally happen? [12:28] nope [12:28] on the live CD i dont get a task bar? lol [12:28] damn gotta burn another one then.... [12:28] im gonna restart it and check for errors [12:28] and do the md5 check [12:28] how? [12:28] !md5 [12:28] To verify your Ubuntu ISO image (or other files for which an MD5 checksum is provided), see http://help.ubuntu.com/community/VerifyIsoHowto or http://www.linuxquestions.org/linux/answers/LQ_ISO/Checking_the_md5sum_in_Windows [12:30] it froze but a task bar wanted to appear [12:31] something appeared in the colours u would see f u bunped a nintendo 64 game [12:31] then went.... [12:31] that could be a bad burn, memory or graphis card [12:32] how much memory is there? [12:34] bbl [12:37] its memory [12:37] ok guys if i install xubuntu [12:37] will it run quicker? [12:38] and support 256 megabytes of ram? [12:38] hello any one? [12:39] hi? [12:39] ! [12:39] :) [12:44] yes [12:44] it will run much faster if its installed [12:48] and the task bar will show? [12:48] who here can help? [12:49] any way i want to install xubuntu and the task bar wont show.... my computer has 256 megabytes of memory and so if i install it will it show? [12:49] i checked the disc and its working [13:00] it should work. is it getting cut off because of your screen resolution maybe? [13:00] Adantan_Alex: press alt+f2 and type 'xfce4-panel' [13:33] YES THATS IT soz for caps [13:33] i will give it 1 last try [13:33] can i change the screen resolution? [13:34] i got 800 x 600 [13:34] but i can change [13:34] only it makes it very small soz for all the lines.... [13:35] ok screen resolution is ok [13:35] I'd just install it and give it a try. Sometimes the livecd can be flakey on older computers. [14:03] yeah [14:03] has someone gone to u the same story? [14:03] im not seeing the task bar lol [14:03] i see it for a bit then it goes [14:03] but im going to download the alternate CD [14:57] Hi [14:58] Im new to Xubuntu I have been using Kubuntu but I noticed that although Xubuntu is faster it lacks features that KDE has [14:58] why? [15:02] Nyad, like what? (oh and the lack of some bloat/features in kde is probably why xfce is faster then kde..) [15:04] like a wallpaper changer [15:05] well an automatic one [15:09] hi [15:09] how do I open a directory as root? [15:13] Nyad, you can just make a desktop wallpaper list and let `xfdesktop -reload` ever *minutes (with for cron etc) [15:13] and i would never open a dir with a file manager as root if i where you [15:14] sometimes I want to delete or edit files [15:15] then use a terminal :) [15:15] do I have to type out every filename in the list? [15:15] if I use a terminal it doesn't move them to the trash [15:16] nah you can make a list with settings->desktop settings->Image:new list [15:18] but then I have to select all 4000 of the images with that thing [15:18] you can select multiple at once... [15:18] yeah I just realised [15:18] thanls [15:18] np :) [15:19] the thing about deleting files with a terminal is it doesn't put them in the trash when I delete them [15:20] nope, that why if you want to keep the file for later you use mv [15:20] (for example mv /etc/xorg.conf /etc/xorg.conf.backup [15:21] and why you should never delete something as root if your not 100% sure you can delete it [15:21] how do I set a timer for changing the background? [15:22] how long would you like the interval? [15:22] *to be [15:22] 30seconds [15:22] lol your kiddin right? [15:22] nope [15:26] is it that hard? [15:26] Nyad: why would you manipulate 4000 files as root? [15:26] Nyad: just chown them to your user and then maniulate them [15:26] The_Kernel, those are his background images [15:27] ablomen: actually -reload will reload the whole desktop binary, it's better to just send the USR1 signal to it [15:27] TheSheep, hmm and how would one do that? [15:27] ablomen: killall -USR1 xfdesktop [15:28] ah nice [15:28] what is USR1 thingy? [15:29] Nyad, ok well create a file named refresh.sh in your home dir that has this script in it: http://pastebin.ca/969188 [15:29] Nyad: a signal. man kill will give you details [15:30] Nyad, then make it executable (chmod +x ~/refresh.sh) and add that script to your autostart list (settings->autostarted applications) [15:30] that should do the job [15:32] thats odd. the pastebin is empty [15:32] ? its not empty here [15:32] neither here [15:33] thats weird [15:33] http://pastebin.ca/raw/969188 << this one? [15:33] also empty [15:35] !pastebin [15:35] pastebin is a service to post multiple-lined texts so you don't flood the channel. The Ubuntu pastebin is at http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org (make sure you give us the URL for your paste - see also the channel topic) [15:35] ablomen: try this one [15:36] btw, THe Right Way (tm) would be putting it into crontab :) [15:36] but I guess it's simplier like htis [15:36] The_Kernel, that wont work for 30 seconds intervals [15:36] woops sorry TheSheep [15:36] ablomen: why not? [15:37] TheSheep, well because you an only put minutes hours and days etc in there [15:38] Nyad, try wget http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/62033/plain/ -O ~/refresh.sh [15:38] hmm... what about the / [15:38] ah, it's only for ranges [15:38] ablomen: you are right, sorry [15:39] thanks [15:39] didn't know while loops could be used in shell scripts [15:39] it's a full programming language [15:39] albeit a little slow [15:39] yeah bash rocks, sometimes [15:39] I've seen a web browser implemented in it [15:40] well, ok, with a helper program for parsing html :) [15:41] nice [15:41] i must admit though, i almost always use perl for these small lill scripts, syntax is better for me (being a php programmer) [15:42] ablomen: perl is designed for text processing and for one-line scripts, very handy [15:42] yep :) [15:42] ablomen: I think it was initially supposed to be a replacement for awk [15:43] and sed [15:43] could be, seeing how centered it is around regex [15:43] its pretty powerfull now though, actually made a small game-like thingy with perl-sdl [15:44] my home page is running in perl :) [15:44] it's a perl-based wiki engine [15:45] heh cool :) [15:45] the original wiki was in perl too [15:45] i personally never liked perl for web-based stuff though, php is so easy to use for web scripting [15:45] s/was/is [15:45] ablomen: php is evil [15:46] ablomen: mixing html and code is a bad idea [15:46] thats not php's fault ;) [15:46] ablomen: there are good php apps, but they all use templates [15:46] yeah exactly i only make sites with smarty, so i never mix code with html :) [15:46] ablomen: of course it's alwas the programmer's fault [15:47] ablomen: but making such mistakes easy is the language's fault [15:47] meh i dont think so, i dont like it if scripting/programming languages limit you (take for instance python, i cant stand python) [15:47] btw is the image selection random? or is it sequential? [15:47] random i think [15:48] Nyad: sequential [15:48] :P [15:48] ah ok :P [15:48] anyway to change that? [15:48] Nyad, sure you have the source :P [15:48] Nyad: you can shuffle the list [15:48] ablomen: hehe [15:48] Nyad: but it's still sequential then [15:49] how do I shuffle it? [15:50] Nyad: you can pipe it through shuf [15:50] it is random actually. but Im interested in what you mean by pipe it through shuf? [15:51] like cat list | shuf [15:52] I don't get it [15:53] hm, since I upgraded to the latest hardy it seems my xfce session won't log in. as soon as I enter my username/pass I just get a blue screen [15:53] I can't remember how to fix it [15:55] Tu13es, you could try moving your .config/xfce4 and/or .config/xfce4-session directories [15:55] maybe that helps [15:57] gotcha [15:58] I've heard people say that KDE is more configurable than gnome, where would xfce fit into this? [15:58] ablomen: woo, that did it :) [15:59] Tu13es, ah cool :) [16:03] Nyad, xfce is more minimal. It doesn't adopt a 'the user must be protected from too much information' attitude like gnome, so its configuration isnt neutered, but it isnt elaborate either. [16:03] but I dunno as I dont use gnome or kde at all anymore [16:03] xfce and I get along far too well for me to cheat on her [16:04] RandomDestructn: what got you hooked? the speed? [16:05] for me xfce is like low-fat gnome, its clean and fast == great :) [16:07] for me it was the right-click desktop menu and the small panel [16:07] Nyad, I can configure it the way I like, and its light [16:07] I'm down to one tiny panel about 1/3 of the length of my screen at the bottom, and that's it [16:07] and, yeah, it's nice and light [16:08] and it's got compositing support so I can run compiz :) [16:08] I use focus follows mouse, with sloppy focus, alt + left click move, alt + right click resize. [16:08] not all wm can do that [16:08] gnome and kde probably can tho [16:08] but xfce is super esay to set that up [16:08] ah, yeah I just started using focus following [16:08] no raise on click as well [16:08] alt click to raise [16:09] that way I can type in an app without it moving itself to the top, which i may not want [16:09] my setup btw if its worth anything: http://www.pithed.org/oink/mydesktopfull.png [16:09] wait, what's sloppy focus [16:09] ? [16:09] oh, nm [16:09] I understand what you're saying now [16:10] "With this focus model, moving the mouse cursor over a window gives the window the input focus. Moving the mouse cursor from a window into the root window does not change the input focus. The input focus may be changed in other ways as well (such as alt-tab), so it is not always true that the input focus is the window under the mouse cursor. Moving the mouse cursor on top of a window does not necessarily raise the window." [16:10] yeah, that's what I use [16:10] I love the alt right click resize [16:10] I'm amazed that hasnt taken off [16:10] who wants to find the tiny edge of a window to resize? [16:11] I just click anywhere inside and drag it about [16:11] same with moving windows, who wants to find the tiny titlebar [16:11] just click dead centre and drag it [16:12] in kde we have kdesu, whats it for xfcs? [16:12] dunno what kdesu is [16:12] as im not a kde user [16:12] oh su? [16:12] ya [16:13] gksudo [16:13] yeh [16:13] I was reading that as k-desu. lol [16:13] thought it was some 4chan junk [16:14] RandomDestructn: whats that performance thing you have in your taskbar? [16:14] nvm I got it [16:15] I dont use that anymore due to the one on the desktop. <3 conky [16:15] but yeah, lots of neat panel plugins [16:16] how do I make one on the desktop like that? [16:16] program is called conky [16:16] mine is close to the default config, but you may have to hack up the .conkyrc file a bit to make it look right [16:16] but its worth it imo [16:17] what does conky do? [16:17] exactly what you see in that image [16:18] its just a performance monitor [16:18] anyone know how to change the name of what things are listed as in ifconfig? [16:19] I think I need to fiddle with /etc/network/interfaces but not sure exactly how [16:19] yeh Nyad [16:20] Tu13es: try /etc/iftab [16:20] TheSheep: I don't show anything there [16:21] Tu13es: which version is it? [16:21] which version is what? [16:21] er, TheSheep [16:21] of xubuntu [16:21] I'm on the hardy beta [16:21] TheSheep, it isnt on here either (gutsy) [16:21] ah, then check /etc/udev/rules.d/70-persistent-net.rules [16:22] hmm [16:22] ah :) [16:33] I removed my bar at the top but now a small little square remains there, how do I remove it? [16:43] I can't use finch properly in xterm under xfce on ubuntu, apparantly because ncurses for ubuntu is compiled without support for utf8... i can't write swedish characters in it === danielm_ is now known as danielm [16:49] back [16:50] Hi Everyone...I'm having a problem installing xubuntu...It keeps freezing at 15%, and will not go any further...can anyone help? === tobberot1 is now known as Keigo-kun [16:58] JBrewster5421: percentage doesn't give me too much information, any other indication of what it is doing? [16:58] JBrewster5421: there should be a log at /var/log/ somewhere [16:59] im not really sure [16:59] It's right after I select the partitions and everything, then i go to have it partition the HD... [16:59] Then it gets to Checking File System, and freezes [17:00] JBrewster5421: well, checking the file system takes a while [17:00] especially on large disks [17:00] well, the computer completely freezes, because I can't even move the mouse like i should be able to [17:01] I even tried the Alternate installer, and that froze too... [17:01] ouch [17:01] is it a new hardware? [17:01] no, it's an existing machine... [17:02] JBrewster5421: I mean, is it recent? [17:02] well, practically...i've just recently replaced mostly everything in it... [17:03] or there might be some problems with support of new hardware in the kernel [17:03] which version are you trying to install? [17:04] 7.10.10 [17:05] Should I maybe use an older version and see if that works? [17:09] ncurses seems to hate UTF8, how do I fix it? [17:13] Keigo-kun: I think it has a special set of functions for handling utf8 [17:14] JBrewster5421: I'd try 8.04, it's in beta already, will be relased this month [17:14] JBrewster5421: it has newer kernel [17:14] okay [17:14] will do [17:15] hopefully that works, otherwise i'll be back here again lol [17:16] some boot options could help too [17:17] which ones should i try? [17:17] no idea, you can either experiment or search the forums for your hardware and see if anybody had this problem and solved it [17:18] !boot [17:18] Boot options: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/BootOptions - To add/remove startup services, you can use the package 'bum', or update-rc.d - To add your own startup scripts, use /etc/rc.local - See also !grub and !dualboot - Making a boot floppy: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/GrubHowto/BootFloppy - Also see https://help.ubuntu.com/community/SmartBootManagerHowto [17:18] here is some docs on boot options [17:18] ok === march is now known as march_afk [17:47] Hi there, I have some problem with installation. It installs for a while but then I get a dark screen and it seems to jam. I have checked the disc for defects, and there are none. Any ideas what to do? [17:48] Ors: you're using the livecd or the alternate installer? [17:48] Ors: which version are you installing? [17:48] livecd, [17:48] the latest, just downloaded a couple of days ago [17:49] Ors: 8.04 or 7.10? [17:49] 7.10 [17:49] TheSheep: hm, so it seems my wifi card is getting named "wlan0_rename" somewhere despite me changing that fole, any ideas? [17:50] Tu13es: I had it too, never had time to investigate, especially when it worked just fine [17:50] Tu13es: went away after I installed hardy [17:50] hm [17:50] strange [17:51] shall I try 8.04? [17:51] Tu13es: I think it might be related to the restricted driver it uses [17:51] Ors: it's still in beta, going to be released in 3 weeks [17:52] TheSheep: hm, the Hardware Drivers thing says there are no propietary drivers in use [17:53] Tu13es: ah, then it's not it. there were with my card [17:54] TheSheep: what is strange that when I interrupt the installation and go back to my original system a window pops up with the message whether I want to uninstall xubuntu. So it seems that some files have been copied [17:55] Ors: what's the original system? [17:55] Windows Me [17:55] you are using wubi? [17:56] Is that the file with which you can start installation from the cd? Sorry, I am quite new... It said that it had problem retrieving some files [17:58] Ors: I'm not sure how wubu works, it's supposed to install from under windows. To use normal installer, you just boot your computer from the cd [17:59] I'm using mp3blaster in a xfce-terminal window, and I need to use F1 in that program. F1 however brings up the xfce doc in links. How do I capture input with the terminal? [17:59] Keigo-kun: right-click on the teminal, select settings, go to keybinding settings and disable the one for f1 [17:59] ok thanks [17:59] TheSheep: I used the normal installer. And tried wubi too, and I had the following message: Could not retrieve some essential files [18:00] that's weird, you say you verified the cd? [18:00] TheSheep: Didn't help, the terminal still doesn't register me pressing F1 [18:01] TheSheep: yes, indeed. What about alternative installation, but I do not know how that works [18:01] Keigo-kun: weird, it works for me [18:01] Keigo-kun: you did 'clear' that shortcut? [18:02] Ors: you boot from it, and it has a text-based installer, but with menus and stuff, pretty similar to the one in the livecd [18:02] TheSheep: Yes [18:02] TheSheep: Do you reckon I should give it a try? [18:03] Ors: since I don't have any other ideas, you might try :) [18:03] TheSheep: F2 and F3 isn't working either.. F6 is working fine though [18:03] TheSheep: I'll do that, will be back later to inform you, Thanks [18:04] Keigo-kun: check if you have them bound in the keyboard settings [18:04] Keigo-kun: but it hsould work, since it worked to bring the help in the terminal... [18:05] TheSheep: None of them are used in keyboard settings [18:05] Maybe it's a problem with rxvt-unicode? [18:06]