[00:10] <UAanon> hi
[00:10] <UAanon> anyone here?
[00:10] <zoredache> !anyone
[00:10] <ubotu> A large amount of the first questions asked in this channel start with "Does anyone/anybody..."  Why not ask your next question (the real one) and find out?
[00:11] <UAanon> How do I get xubuntu to install on an MacBook? I've got a wasted Bootcamp partition that's begging to be filled with a better OS, also, where can I go to get third party apps for xubuntu?
[00:12] <UAanon> I await your reply.
[00:12] <zoredache> there is lots of applications in the repositor...  You could also check out CNR..  Or you could look at the 3rd parties web site
[00:13] <UAanon> I'm not familiar with either CNR or the repositor...
[00:14] <zoredache> as for installing on the mac, search google for 'ubuntu mac'... There are tons of hits..
[00:14] <UAanon> the only place that I can think of for apps for Linux is Sourceforge
[00:14] <UAanon> alright, thanks
[00:14] <zoredache> crn => http://www.cnr.com/
[00:14] <zoredache> !repos
[00:14] <ubotu> The packages in Ubuntu are divided into several sections. More information at https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Repositories and http://www.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/components - See https://wiki.ubuntu.com/RecommendedSources for the recommended way to set up your repositories
[00:15] <zoredache> bleah... cnr
[00:15] <UAanon> my friend gave me xubuntu at a party last night, and I figure I'd install it during a lecture...
[00:16] <zoredache> https://help.ubuntu.com/community/MacBookPro would probably be useful.. as well
[00:16] <zoredache> there will probably be minor differences in video drivers, but i suspect it is mostly the same install on macbook
[00:18] <UAanon> I'm able to load and run xubuntu from the CD, but I haven't played around with installing it on an unused partition
[00:24] <breetai> UAanon: There is freashmeat which lists a lot of packages there is getdeb.com three is linuxgames.com
[00:25] <zoredache> of course you couls always just go to google as well... :p
[00:26] <UAanon> I prefer the human interaction. There's a reason why this is here, no?
[00:27] <UAanon> Also, not to many people know how to use IRC outside AIM, Yahoo, MSN and the lot.
[00:28] <UAanon> too*
[00:29] <zoredache> eh?  it was an answer your question about where you could find other software... I don't really consider this channel a place to find stuff outside xubuntu...
[00:36] <UAanon> No, you were talking about me just Google-ing the info instead of coming here. There's a reason for this channel, so that people could come here to get help. I was merely validating my experience to come here for help.
[00:36] <UAanon> Yeah, that was a bit fragmented, and I apologize.
[00:42] <cody-somerville> Play nice, kids ; p
[01:23] <UAanon> I apologize if I tensed things up...
[01:34] <xyz359> Anyone know how to change the system terminal font?
[01:35] <UAanon> I don't, sorry.
[01:36] <UAanon> Someone else might.
[01:36]  * xyz359 nods. =)
[02:22] <svarte> hello people.
[02:23] <svarte> i just installed 8.04 on my new laptop, and everything is working finr - except for one small thing that also bugged me in previous ubuntu versions. i can't for the love of god switch from utf8 to iso8859-1
[02:26] <svarte> so, can anybody help me there?
[09:57] <Adantan_Alex> how do u install xubuntu?
[09:57] <Adantan_Alex> hi
[11:54] <terminhell> Im using xfce right now, and im wondering if there is a way to make its panels "always on bottom"
[11:55] <ere4si> if you right click a panel and choose "customize panel" you can put it where you want
[12:14] <terminhell> well
[12:14] <terminhell> not exactly what i need
[12:15] <ere4si> it might be a session issue - do you have save session on exit enabled?
[12:15] <Adantan_Alex> hi
[12:15] <ere4si> or do you want maximised windows to cover the panel?
[12:15] <terminhell> here's what i want to do: i have a panel with just Verve on it. Id like to have it in the middle of the desktop
[12:15] <terminhell> yea
[12:15] <Adantan_Alex> i need some help
[12:17] <ere4si> terminhell: don't know if that is possible - it might be...
[12:17] <ere4si> Adantan_Alex: you need to ask the question:)
[12:17] <terminhell> ere4si: ive noticed that it is capable of doing it if i just switch it from fixd to movable
[12:18] <Adantan_Alex> yes dual botting xubuntu
[12:18] <Adantan_Alex> i want to have
[12:18] <Adantan_Alex> oops
[12:18] <Adantan_Alex> i want to have xubuntu have 20 giggabytes
[12:18] <Adantan_Alex> but what partitions do i need to make?
[12:19] <terminhell> use the live cd
[12:19] <Adantan_Alex> i am i think
[12:19] <Adantan_Alex> i am
[12:19] <terminhell> and run the installer. it has the options to setup the partions for you
[12:19] <ere4si> Adantan_Alex: you need the 20G partition for xubuntu and a swap partition about the size of your memory or a little larger
[12:20] <Adantan_Alex> huh?
[12:20] <terminhell> if you use the "guided %" you can adjust the %(size) it uses
[12:20] <Adantan_Alex> what u mean?
[12:20] <Adantan_Alex> can i hae 1 gigayte for the swap one?
[12:20] <terminhell> ya
[12:20] <ere4si> the live cd has the option to use the free space available - it will then set up the partitions as they are needed
[12:20] <Adantan_Alex> thats a problem
[12:20] <Adantan_Alex> the live CD doesnt work....
[12:21] <terminhell> then you have a problem
[12:21] <Adantan_Alex> on my other computer
[12:21] <Adantan_Alex> it is dont worry
[12:21] <ere4si> using the alternate cd?
[12:21] <Adantan_Alex> i needed to give it more time
[12:21] <Adantan_Alex> no i got it
[12:22] <Adantan_Alex> wow
[12:22] <Adantan_Alex> now what i need to do
[12:22] <terminhell> is there an icon on the desktop "Install"
[12:22] <Adantan_Alex> yeah i know this from ubuntu
[12:23] <Adantan_Alex> i just need to know what to put for partitions
[12:23] <terminhell> well if you must do it manually...
[12:23] <terminhell> setup a new primary partition with the mount point as "/"
[12:23] <Adantan_Alex> yes dual botting
[12:23] <terminhell> and give it the size
[12:24] <Adantan_Alex> 20 gigabytes?
[12:24] <terminhell> yes
[12:24] <Adantan_Alex> ok hold on lol
[12:24] <terminhell> 20,000,000
[12:24] <terminhell> doh
[12:24] <terminhell> brb
[12:24] <terminhell> i g2g for a few
[12:24] <Adantan_Alex> lol does xubuntu have a task bar?
[12:24] <Adantan_Alex> ok but does xubuntu have a task bar?
[12:25] <Adantan_Alex> can someone help? ty
[12:25] <ere4si> yep it does
[12:26] <Adantan_Alex> lol mine doesnt
[12:26] <Adantan_Alex> mine doesnt man
[12:26] <ere4si> press   alt + F2  then type  xfce4-panel
[12:26] <Adantan_Alex> ty
[12:27] <Adantan_Alex> hold on lol
[12:27] <Adantan_Alex> does this normally happen?
[12:28] <ere4si> nope
[12:28] <Adantan_Alex> on the live CD i dont get a task bar? lol
[12:28] <Adantan_Alex> damn gotta burn another one then....
[12:28] <Adantan_Alex> im gonna restart it and check for errors
[12:28] <ere4si> and do the md5 check
[12:28] <Adantan_Alex> how?
[12:28] <ere4si> !md5
[12:28] <ubotu> To verify your Ubuntu ISO image (or other files for which an MD5 checksum is provided), see http://help.ubuntu.com/community/VerifyIsoHowto or http://www.linuxquestions.org/linux/answers/LQ_ISO/Checking_the_md5sum_in_Windows
[12:30] <Adantan_Alex> it froze but a task bar wanted to appear
[12:31] <Adantan_Alex> something appeared in the colours u would see f u bunped a nintendo 64 game
[12:31] <Adantan_Alex> then went....
[12:31] <ere4si> that could be a bad burn, memory or graphis card
[12:32] <ere4si> how much memory is there?
[12:34] <ere4si> bbl
[12:37] <Adantan_Alex> its memory
[12:37] <Adantan_Alex> ok guys if i install xubuntu
[12:37] <Adantan_Alex> will it run quicker?
[12:38] <Adantan_Alex> and support 256 megabytes of ram?
[12:38] <Adantan_Alex> hello any one?
[12:39] <Adantan_Alex> hi?
[12:39] <Adantan_Alex> !
[12:39] <Adantan_Alex> :)
[12:44] <terminhell> yes
[12:44] <terminhell> it will run much faster if its installed
[12:48] <Adantan_Alex> and the task bar will show?
[12:48] <Adantan_Alex> who here can help?
[12:49] <Adantan_Alex> any way i want to install xubuntu and the task bar wont show.... my computer has 256 megabytes of memory and so if i install it will it show?
[12:49] <Adantan_Alex> i checked the disc and its working
[13:00] <Survivorman> it should work. is it getting cut off because of your screen resolution maybe?
[13:00] <TheSheep> Adantan_Alex: press alt+f2 and type 'xfce4-panel'
[13:33] <Adantan_Alex> YES THATS IT soz for caps
[13:33] <Adantan_Alex> i will give it 1 last try
[13:33] <Adantan_Alex> can i change the screen resolution?
[13:34] <Adantan_Alex> i got 800 x 600
[13:34] <Adantan_Alex> but i can change
[13:34] <Adantan_Alex> only it makes it very small soz for all the lines....
[13:35] <Adantan_Alex> ok screen resolution is ok
[13:35] <Survivorman> I'd just install it and give it a try. Sometimes the livecd can be flakey on older computers.
[14:03] <Adantan_Alex> yeah
[14:03] <Adantan_Alex> has someone gone to u the same story?
[14:03] <Adantan_Alex> im not seeing the task bar lol
[14:03] <Adantan_Alex> i see it for a bit then it goes
[14:03] <Adantan_Alex> but im going to download the alternate CD
[14:57] <Nyad> Hi
[14:58] <Nyad> Im new to Xubuntu I have been using Kubuntu but I noticed that although Xubuntu is faster it lacks features that KDE has
[14:58] <Nyad> why?
[15:02] <ablomen> Nyad, like what? (oh and the lack of some bloat/features in kde is probably why xfce is faster then kde..)
[15:04] <Nyad> like a wallpaper changer
[15:05] <Nyad> well an automatic one
[15:09] <Adantan_Alex> hi
[15:09] <Nyad> how do I open a directory as root?
[15:13] <ablomen> Nyad, you can just make a desktop wallpaper list and let `xfdesktop -reload` ever *minutes (with for cron etc)
[15:13] <ablomen> and i would never open a dir with a file manager as root if i where you
[15:14] <Nyad> sometimes I want to delete or edit files
[15:15] <ablomen> then use a terminal :)
[15:15] <Nyad> do I have to type out every filename in the list?
[15:15] <Nyad> if I use a terminal it doesn't move them to the trash
[15:16] <ablomen> nah you can make a list with settings->desktop settings->Image:new list
[15:18] <Nyad> but then I have to select all 4000 of the images with that thing
[15:18] <ablomen> you can select multiple at once...
[15:18] <Nyad> yeah I just realised
[15:18] <Nyad> thanls
[15:18] <ablomen> np :)
[15:19] <Nyad> the thing about deleting files with a terminal is it doesn't put them in the trash when I delete them
[15:20] <ablomen> nope, that why if you want to keep the file for later you use mv
[15:20] <ablomen> (for example mv /etc/xorg.conf /etc/xorg.conf.backup
[15:21] <ablomen> and why you should never delete something as root if your not 100% sure you can delete it
[15:21] <Nyad> how do I set a timer for changing the background?
[15:22] <ablomen> how long would you like the interval?
[15:22] <ablomen> *to be
[15:22] <Nyad> 30seconds
[15:22] <ablomen> lol your kiddin right?
[15:22] <Nyad> nope
[15:26] <Nyad> is it that hard?
[15:26] <TheSheep> Nyad: why would you manipulate 4000 files as root?
[15:26] <TheSheep> Nyad: just chown them to your user and then maniulate them
[15:26] <ablomen> The_Kernel, those are his background images
[15:27] <TheSheep> ablomen: actually -reload will reload the whole desktop binary, it's better to just send the USR1 signal to it
[15:27] <ablomen> TheSheep, hmm and how would one do that?
[15:27] <TheSheep> ablomen: killall -USR1 xfdesktop
[15:28] <ablomen> ah nice
[15:28] <Nyad> what is USR1 thingy?
[15:29] <ablomen> Nyad, ok well create a file named refresh.sh in your home dir that has this script in it: http://pastebin.ca/969188
[15:29] <TheSheep> Nyad: a signal. man kill will give you details
[15:30] <ablomen> Nyad, then make it executable (chmod +x ~/refresh.sh) and add that script to your autostart list (settings->autostarted applications)
[15:30] <ablomen> that should do the job
[15:32] <Nyad> thats odd. the pastebin is empty
[15:32] <ablomen> ? its not empty here
[15:32] <TheSheep> neither here
[15:33] <Nyad> thats weird
[15:33] <ablomen> http://pastebin.ca/raw/969188 << this one?
[15:33] <Nyad> also empty
[15:35] <TheSheep> !pastebin
[15:35] <ubotu> pastebin is a service to post multiple-lined texts so you don't flood the channel. The Ubuntu pastebin is at http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org (make sure you give us the URL for your paste - see also the channel topic)
[15:35] <TheSheep> ablomen: try this one
[15:36] <TheSheep> btw, THe Right Way (tm) would be putting it into crontab :)
[15:36] <TheSheep> but I guess it's simplier like htis
[15:36] <ablomen> The_Kernel, that wont work for 30 seconds intervals
[15:36] <ablomen> woops sorry TheSheep
[15:36] <TheSheep> ablomen: why not?
[15:37] <ablomen> TheSheep, well because you an only put minutes hours and days etc in there
[15:38] <ablomen> Nyad, try wget http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/62033/plain/ -O ~/refresh.sh
[15:38] <TheSheep> hmm... what about the /
[15:38] <TheSheep> ah, it's only for ranges
[15:38] <TheSheep> ablomen: you are right, sorry
[15:39] <Nyad> thanks
[15:39] <Nyad> didn't know while loops could be used in shell scripts
[15:39] <TheSheep> it's a full programming language
[15:39] <TheSheep> albeit a little slow
[15:39] <ablomen> yeah bash rocks, sometimes
[15:39] <TheSheep> I've seen a web browser implemented in it
[15:40] <TheSheep> well, ok, with a helper program for parsing html :)
[15:41] <ablomen> nice
[15:41] <ablomen> i must admit though, i almost always use perl for these small lill scripts, syntax is better for me (being a php programmer)
[15:42] <TheSheep> ablomen: perl is designed for text processing and for one-line scripts, very handy
[15:42] <ablomen> yep :)
[15:42] <TheSheep> ablomen: I think it was initially supposed to be a replacement for awk
[15:43] <TheSheep> and sed
[15:43] <ablomen> could be, seeing how centered it is around regex
[15:43] <ablomen> its pretty powerfull now though, actually made a small game-like thingy with perl-sdl
[15:44] <TheSheep> my home page is running in perl :)
[15:44] <TheSheep> it's a perl-based wiki engine
[15:45] <ablomen> heh cool :)
[15:45] <TheSheep> the original wiki was in perl too
[15:45] <ablomen> i personally never liked perl for web-based stuff though, php is so easy to use for web scripting
[15:45] <TheSheep> s/was/is
[15:45] <TheSheep> ablomen: php is evil
[15:46] <TheSheep> ablomen: mixing html and code is a bad idea
[15:46] <ablomen> thats not php's fault ;)
[15:46] <TheSheep> ablomen: there are good php apps, but they all use templates
[15:46] <ablomen> yeah exactly i only make sites with smarty, so i never mix code with html :)
[15:46] <TheSheep> ablomen: of course it's alwas the programmer's fault
[15:47] <TheSheep> ablomen: but making such mistakes easy is the language's fault
[15:47] <ablomen> meh i dont think so, i dont like it if scripting/programming languages limit you (take for instance python, i cant stand python)
[15:47] <Nyad> btw is the image selection random? or is it sequential?
[15:47] <ablomen> random i think
[15:48] <TheSheep> Nyad: sequential
[15:48] <TheSheep> :P
[15:48] <ablomen> ah ok :P
[15:48] <Nyad> anyway to change that?
[15:48] <ablomen> Nyad, sure you have the source :P
[15:48] <TheSheep> Nyad: you can shuffle the list
[15:48] <Nyad> ablomen: hehe
[15:48] <TheSheep> Nyad: but it's still sequential then
[15:49] <Nyad> how do I shuffle it?
[15:50] <TheSheep> Nyad: you can pipe it through shuf
[15:50] <Nyad> it is random actually. but Im interested in what you mean by pipe it through shuf?
[15:51] <TheSheep> like   cat list | shuf
[15:52] <Nyad> I don't get it
[15:53] <Tu13es> hm, since I upgraded to the latest hardy it seems my xfce session won't log in. as soon as I enter my username/pass I just get a blue screen
[15:53] <Tu13es> I can't remember how to fix it
[15:55] <ablomen> Tu13es, you could try moving your .config/xfce4 and/or .config/xfce4-session directories
[15:55] <ablomen> maybe that helps
[15:57] <Tu13es> gotcha
[15:58] <Nyad> I've heard people say that KDE is more configurable than gnome, where would xfce fit into this?
[15:58] <Tu13es> ablomen: woo, that did it :)
[15:59] <ablomen> Tu13es, ah cool :)
[16:03] <RandomDestructn> Nyad, xfce is more minimal. It doesn't adopt a 'the user must be protected from too much information' attitude like gnome, so its configuration isnt neutered, but it isnt elaborate either.
[16:03] <RandomDestructn> but I dunno as I dont use gnome or kde at all anymore
[16:03] <RandomDestructn> xfce and I get along far too well for me to cheat on her
[16:04] <Nyad> RandomDestructn: what got you hooked? the speed?
[16:05] <ablomen> for me xfce is like low-fat gnome, its clean and fast == great :)
[16:07] <Tu13es> for me it was the right-click desktop menu and the small panel
[16:07] <RandomDestructn> Nyad, I can configure it the way I like, and its light
[16:07] <Tu13es> I'm down to one tiny panel about 1/3 of the length of my screen at the bottom, and that's it
[16:07] <Tu13es> and, yeah, it's nice and light
[16:08] <Tu13es> and it's got compositing support so I can run compiz :)
[16:08] <RandomDestructn> I use focus follows mouse, with sloppy focus, alt + left click move, alt + right click resize.
[16:08] <RandomDestructn> not all wm can do that
[16:08] <RandomDestructn> gnome and kde probably can tho
[16:08] <RandomDestructn> but xfce is super esay to set that up
[16:08] <Tu13es> ah, yeah I just started using focus following
[16:08] <RandomDestructn> no raise on click as well
[16:08] <RandomDestructn> alt click to raise
[16:09] <RandomDestructn> that way I can type in an app without it moving itself to the top, which i may not want
[16:09] <RandomDestructn> my setup btw if its worth anything: http://www.pithed.org/oink/mydesktopfull.png
[16:09] <Tu13es> wait, what's sloppy focus
[16:09] <Tu13es> ?
[16:09] <Tu13es> oh, nm
[16:09] <Tu13es> I understand what you're saying now
[16:10] <RandomDestructn> "With this focus model, moving the mouse cursor over a window gives the window the input focus. Moving the mouse cursor from a window into the root window does not change the input focus. The input focus may be changed in other ways as well (such as alt-tab), so it is not always true that the input focus is the window under the mouse cursor. Moving the mouse cursor on top of a window does not necessarily raise the window."
[16:10] <Tu13es> yeah, that's what I use
[16:10] <RandomDestructn> I love the alt right click resize
[16:10] <RandomDestructn> I'm amazed that hasnt taken off
[16:10] <RandomDestructn> who wants to find the tiny edge of a window to resize?
[16:11] <RandomDestructn> I just click anywhere inside and drag it about
[16:11] <RandomDestructn> same with moving windows, who wants to find the tiny titlebar
[16:11] <RandomDestructn> just click dead centre and drag it
[16:12] <Nyad> in kde we have kdesu, whats it for xfcs?
[16:12] <RandomDestructn> dunno what kdesu is
[16:12] <RandomDestructn> as im not a kde user
[16:12] <RandomDestructn> oh su?
[16:12] <Nyad> ya
[16:13] <ablomen> gksudo
[16:13] <RandomDestructn> yeh
[16:13] <RandomDestructn> I was reading that as k-desu. lol
[16:13] <RandomDestructn> thought it was some 4chan junk
[16:14] <Nyad> RandomDestructn: whats that performance thing you have in your taskbar?
[16:14] <Nyad> nvm I got it
[16:15] <RandomDestructn> I dont use that anymore due to the one on the desktop. <3 conky
[16:15] <RandomDestructn> but yeah, lots of neat panel plugins
[16:16] <Nyad> how do I make one on the  desktop like that?
[16:16] <RandomDestructn> program is called conky
[16:16] <RandomDestructn> mine is close to the default config, but you may have to hack up the .conkyrc file a bit to make it look right
[16:16] <RandomDestructn> but its worth it imo
[16:17] <Nyad> what does conky do?
[16:17] <RandomDestructn> exactly what you see in that image
[16:18] <Nyad> its just a performance monitor
[16:18] <Tu13es> anyone know how to change the name of what things are listed as in ifconfig?
[16:19] <Tu13es> I think I need to fiddle with /etc/network/interfaces but not sure exactly how
[16:19] <RandomDestructn> yeh Nyad
[16:20] <TheSheep> Tu13es: try /etc/iftab
[16:20] <Tu13es> TheSheep: I don't show anything there
[16:21] <TheSheep> Tu13es: which version is it?
[16:21] <Tu13es> which version is what?
[16:21] <Tu13es> er, TheSheep
[16:21] <TheSheep> of xubuntu
[16:21] <Tu13es> I'm on the hardy beta
[16:21] <ablomen> TheSheep, it isnt on here either (gutsy)
[16:21] <TheSheep> ah, then check /etc/udev/rules.d/70-persistent-net.rules
[16:22] <Tu13es> hmm
[16:22] <Tu13es> ah :)
[16:33] <Nyad> I removed my bar at the top but now a small little square remains there, how do I remove it?
[16:43] <tobberot1> I can't use finch properly in xterm under xfce on ubuntu, apparantly because ncurses for ubuntu is compiled without support for utf8... i can't write swedish characters in it
[16:49] <Nyad> back
[16:50] <JBrewster5421> Hi Everyone...I'm having a problem installing xubuntu...It keeps freezing at 15%, and will not go any further...can anyone help?
[16:58] <TheSheep> JBrewster5421: percentage doesn't give me too much information, any other indication of what it is doing?
[16:58] <TheSheep> JBrewster5421: there should be a log at /var/log/ somewhere
[16:59] <JBrewster5421> im not really sure
[16:59] <JBrewster5421> It's right after I select the partitions and everything, then i go to have it partition the HD...
[16:59] <JBrewster5421> Then it gets to Checking File System, and freezes
[17:00] <TheSheep> JBrewster5421: well, checking the file system takes a while
[17:00] <TheSheep> especially on large disks
[17:00] <JBrewster5421> well, the computer completely freezes, because I can't even move the mouse like i should be able to
[17:01] <JBrewster5421> I even tried the Alternate installer, and that froze too...
[17:01] <TheSheep> ouch
[17:01] <TheSheep> is it a new hardware?
[17:01] <JBrewster5421> no, it's an existing machine...
[17:02] <TheSheep> JBrewster5421: I mean, is it recent?
[17:02] <JBrewster5421> well, practically...i've just recently replaced mostly everything in it...
[17:03] <TheSheep> or there might be some problems with support of new hardware in the kernel
[17:03] <TheSheep> which version are you trying to install?
[17:04] <JBrewster5421> 7.10.10
[17:05] <JBrewster5421> Should I maybe use an older version and see if that works?
[17:09] <Keigo-kun> ncurses seems to hate UTF8, how do I fix it?
[17:13] <TheSheep> Keigo-kun: I think it has a special set of functions for handling utf8
[17:14] <TheSheep> JBrewster5421: I'd try 8.04, it's in beta already, will be relased this month
[17:14] <TheSheep> JBrewster5421: it has newer kernel
[17:14] <JBrewster5421> okay
[17:14] <JBrewster5421> will do
[17:15] <JBrewster5421> hopefully that works, otherwise i'll be back here again  lol
[17:16] <TheSheep> some boot options could help too
[17:17] <JBrewster5421> which ones should i try?
[17:17] <TheSheep> no idea, you can either experiment or search the forums for your hardware and see if anybody had this problem and solved it
[17:18] <TheSheep> !boot
[17:18] <ubotu> Boot options: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/BootOptions - To add/remove startup services, you can use the package 'bum', or update-rc.d - To add your own startup scripts, use /etc/rc.local - See also !grub and !dualboot - Making a boot floppy: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/GrubHowto/BootFloppy - Also see https://help.ubuntu.com/community/SmartBootManagerHowto
[17:18] <TheSheep> here is some docs on boot options
[17:18] <JBrewster5421> ok
[17:47] <Ors> Hi there, I have some problem with installation. It installs for a while but then I get a dark screen and it seems to jam.  I have checked the disc for defects, and there are none.  Any ideas what to do?
[17:48] <TheSheep> Ors: you're using the livecd or the alternate installer?
[17:48] <TheSheep> Ors: which version are you installing?
[17:48] <Ors> livecd,
[17:48] <Ors> the latest, just downloaded a couple of days ago
[17:49] <TheSheep> Ors: 8.04 or 7.10?
[17:49] <Ors> 7.10
[17:49] <Tu13es> TheSheep: hm, so it seems my wifi card is getting named "wlan0_rename" somewhere despite me changing that fole, any ideas?
[17:50] <TheSheep> Tu13es: I had it too, never had time to investigate, especially when it worked just fine
[17:50] <TheSheep> Tu13es: went away after I installed hardy
[17:50] <Tu13es> hm
[17:50] <Tu13es> strange
[17:51] <Ors> shall I try 8.04?
[17:51] <TheSheep> Tu13es: I think it might be related to the restricted driver it uses
[17:51] <TheSheep> Ors: it's still in beta, going to be released in 3 weeks
[17:52] <Tu13es> TheSheep: hm, the Hardware Drivers thing says there are no propietary drivers in use
[17:53] <TheSheep> Tu13es: ah, then it's not it. there were with my card
[17:54] <Ors> TheSheep: what is strange that when I interrupt the installation and go back to my original system a window pops up with the message whether I want to uninstall xubuntu. So it seems that some files have been copied
[17:55] <TheSheep> Ors: what's the original system?
[17:55] <Ors> Windows Me
[17:55] <TheSheep> you are using wubi?
[17:56] <Ors> Is that the file with which you can start installation from the cd? Sorry, I am quite new... It said that it had problem retrieving some files
[17:58] <TheSheep> Ors: I'm not sure how wubu works, it's supposed to install from under windows. To use normal installer, you just boot your computer from the cd
[17:59] <Keigo-kun> I'm using mp3blaster in a xfce-terminal window, and I need to use F1 in that program. F1 however brings up the xfce doc in links. How do I capture input with the terminal?
[17:59] <TheSheep> Keigo-kun: right-click on the teminal, select settings, go to keybinding settings and disable the one for f1
[17:59] <Keigo-kun> ok thanks
[17:59] <Ors> TheSheep: I used the normal installer. And tried wubi too, and I had the following message: Could not retrieve some essential files
[18:00] <TheSheep> that's weird, you say you verified the cd?
[18:00] <Keigo-kun> TheSheep: Didn't help, the terminal still doesn't register me pressing F1
[18:01] <Ors> TheSheep: yes, indeed. What about alternative installation, but I do not know how that works
[18:01] <TheSheep> Keigo-kun: weird, it works for me
[18:01] <TheSheep> Keigo-kun: you did 'clear' that shortcut?
[18:02] <TheSheep> Ors: you boot from it, and it has a text-based installer, but with menus and stuff, pretty similar to the one in the livecd
[18:02] <Keigo-kun> TheSheep: Yes
[18:02] <Ors> TheSheep: Do you reckon I should give it a try?
[18:03] <TheSheep> Ors: since I don't have any other ideas, you might try :)
[18:03] <Keigo-kun> TheSheep: F2 and F3 isn't working either.. F6 is working fine though
[18:03] <Ors> TheSheep: I'll do that, will be back later to inform you, Thanks
[18:04] <TheSheep> Keigo-kun: check if you have them bound in the keyboard settings
[18:04] <TheSheep> Keigo-kun: but it hsould work, since it worked to bring the help in the terminal...
[18:05] <Keigo-kun> TheSheep: None of them are used in keyboard settings
[18:05] <Keigo-kun> Maybe it's a problem with rxvt-unicode?
[18:06] <TheSheep> Keigo-kun: you are not using the default terminal? :)
[18:06] <Keigo-kun> TheSheep: No, xterm sucks. I couldn't use finch with it
[18:06] <Keigo-kun> anyways, it's not the fault of the backend
[18:07] <TheSheep> Keigo-kun: I mean the xfce4-terminal
[18:07] <Keigo-kun> if I start rxvt-unicode by itself, it works fine
[18:07] <Keigo-kun> TheSheep: xfce4-terminal uses xterm as the backend
[18:07] <Keigo-kun> by default
[18:07] <TheSheep> I thought it uses libvte
[18:08] <Keigo-kun> mine sure didn't.. then again, this isn't xubuntu
[18:08] <TheSheep> ah, then maybe you should ask on the distribution's channel
[18:09] <TheSheep> some things might be specific
[18:09] <TheSheep> to their distro
[18:09] <Keigo-kun> Kind of hard to do :) this is ubuntu with ubuntu-desktop removed and xfce4 installed manually
[18:09] <TheSheep> Keigo-kun: then it's pretty much the same as xubuntu
[18:09] <TheSheep> with some packages removed
[18:10] <Keigo-kun> TheSheep: Maybe that lib was one of the removed packages, my xfce4-terminal was set to xterm when I installed it..
[18:10] <TheSheep> but I don't know anything about rxvt
[18:10] <TheSheep> Keigo-kun: try install xfce4-terminal manually
[18:10] <Keigo-kun> I did, it didn't come with xfce4
[18:12] <TheSheep> well, mine xfce4-terminal surely doesn't use xterm -- it has anti-aliased, hinted fonts, supports unicode and lets me click urls
[18:12] <Keigo-kun> TheSheep: That isn't saying much though. In your xfce4, go to edit->preferences
[18:12] <Keigo-kun> under advanced, it should say $TERM setting
[18:13] <Keigo-kun> mine was set to xterm by default
[18:13] <TheSheep> Keigo-kun: yes, that's what it sets the 'TERM' environment variable for the processes that are started
[18:13] <TheSheep> Keigo-kun: has nothing to do with the backend
[18:13] <TheSheep> Keigo-kun: it's the thing that gets displayed when you type 'echo $TERM'
[18:13] <Keigo-kun> TheSheep: Actually, it makes tons of difference
[18:14] <Keigo-kun> TheSheep: With mine set to xterm i can't use finch, with it set to rxvt-unicode I can
[18:14] <TheSheep> Keigo-kun: it just tells the programs what escape sequences to use
[18:15] <TheSheep> Keigo-kun: it doesn't affect hwo the teminal emulator works
[18:15] <Keigo-kun> TheSheep: Odd since changing it fixed my problems
[18:16] <TheSheep> Keigo-kun: well, maybe the escape sequence for F1 is different under xterm than under rxcvt
[18:16] <Keigo-kun> I doubt that would affect this problem
[18:17] <TheSheep> Keigo-kun: you arestarting finch locally or on a remote host?
[18:17] <Keigo-kun> locallu
[18:17] <Keigo-kun> *y
[18:18] <TheSheep> what does it say when you start it with TERM set to xterm?
[18:19] <Keigo-kun> the program works fine, the difference is that I can't write å ä ö in finch
[18:19] <TheSheep> what's your LANG setting?
[18:19] <Keigo-kun> en_US.UTF8
[18:19] <TheSheep> :/
[18:19] <TheSheep> should work
[18:20] <Keigo-kun> I've been trying to fix it all day, everyone blamed xterm
[18:20] <Keigo-kun> I got the error in xterm aswell you see
[18:20] <TheSheep> well, I can type ąęśćżź just fine in irssi
[18:20] <Keigo-kun> so I downloaded rxvt-unicode and tried in that.. it worked perfectly
[18:20] <Keigo-kun> TheSheep: So can i, in xterm
[18:20] <Keigo-kun> finch is the only place where i had the problem
[18:20] <TheSheep> I use xfce4-termina
[18:20] <TheSheep> l
[18:21] <TheSheep> well, report a bug for finch :)
[18:21] <Keigo-kun> it's not a finch error
[18:21] <Keigo-kun> it's an ubuntu/xterm error
[18:21] <TheSheep> then report it for ubuntu/xterm, but it will be moved to finch anyways
[18:22] <TheSheep> !bugs
[18:22] <ubotu> If you find a bug in Ubuntu or any of its derivatives, please file a bug report at: http://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu  -  Bugs in/wishes for the bots can be filed at http://launchpad.net/ubuntu-bots
[18:22] <Keigo-kun> xterm has bad compability for UTF8 apparently
[18:22] <TheSheep> Keigo-kun: let me repeat myself: xfce4-terminal DOESN'T USE XTERM
[18:23] <TheSheep> Keigo-kun: that setting merely affects the environment variable that applications use to determine what escape sequences to use for input and output
[18:24] <TheSheep> Keigo-kun: ad 'xterm' is a very standard set of escape sequences
[18:25] <Keigo-kun> TheSheep: Well, everyone I have asked about my unicode problem claims its an xterm issue
[18:26] <TheSheep> Keigo-kun: anyways, it should work with he default settings, if it doesn't, it's a bug and shouldbe reported, so if you have a moment you could report it, so that it will be fixed or worked around in future versions
[18:26] <TheSheep> Keigo-kun: also, reporting a bug will probably give you feedback from developers who will know for sure where the problem is
[18:27] <Keigo-kun> TheSheep: I guess, I'm just so horrible at explaining problems :/
[18:28] <TheSheep> Keigo-kun: or I'm horrible at listening
[18:28] <TheSheep> Keigo-kun: which, by the way, I am :)
[18:28] <Keigo-kun> I'm just kinda annoyed right now, changing the $TERM, regardless of what it does, fixed my problems
[18:28] <Keigo-kun> so the only thing pissing me off is the F1,2,3 behaviour
[18:29] <Keigo-kun> since I can't use my programs without those keys
[18:29] <TheSheep> Keigo-kun: maybe try xterm-color or even vt100
[18:29] <TheSheep> (vt100 is the most standard setting there might be)
[18:31] <Keigo-kun> You seriously mean that variable only changes escape sequences?
[18:31] <Keigo-kun> putting it to VT100 made my whole terminal black and white
[18:32] <Keigo-kun> oddly enough, that also made F1 works, but I'm not to fond of no colors
[18:33] <zoredache> setting TERM tells the programs you run what escape sequences they are allowed to send
[18:33] <Keigo-kun> zoredache: And that changes color O.O?
[18:33] <zoredache> Keigo-kun: it would depend on the programs you run.  Some programs could just to provide color for xterm and b+w for vt100
[18:34] <Keigo-kun> zoredache: Allright, that makes sense i guess. then my question becomes: Why does F1 work in rxvt-unicode, but mp3blaster does not let F1 work in xfce4-terminal if TERM is set to rxvt-unicode?
[18:35] <TheSheep> Keigo-kun: vt100 was originally a hardware terminal, black&white (amber or green actually, I think), with 80x24 display
[18:35] <TheSheep> Keigo-kun: I think it didn't even have direction keys, but I might be mistaken
[18:36] <zoredache> I don't know about F1... perhaps the terminal is application is not properly passing it along
[18:36] <Keigo-kun> zoredache: But it's the same application... the only difference is the $TERM setting
[18:36] <TheSheep> Keigo-kun: you can see the list of term settings you can try in /usr/share/terminfo
[18:37] <zoredache> te application is the same, but the terminal isn't.  In xfce4-terminal by default F1 is intercepted by the terminal and makes the help come up
[18:37] <TheSheep> I thnk that vt102 or vt220 was color
[18:38] <TheSheep> zoredache: that we fixed already
[18:38] <Keigo-kun> zoredache: Yes, but that would be true for both having vt100 and rxvt-unicode as $TERM, yet it works in one but not the other
[18:38] <zoredache> TheSheep: how do you change that?
[18:38] <TheSheep> zoredache: now the problem is that xfce4-terminal sends an xterm-encoded f1, but the application expects an rxvt-unicode-encoded F1
[18:38] <TheSheep> zoredache: you go to shortcuts and remove that shortcut
[18:38] <TheSheep> zoredache: in the settings
[18:39] <TheSheep> zoredache: of the xfce4-terminal
[18:39] <zoredache> right, got it...
[18:39] <TheSheep> Keigo-kun: tried xterm-debian maybe?
[18:40] <Keigo-kun> TheSheep: I'll give it a try.. but I'm not fond of putting xterm there since I use finch a lot
[18:40] <Keigo-kun> TheSheep: xterm-debian works for mp3blaster at least. i get color and F1 works
[18:41] <TheSheep> Keigo-kun: try the accented characters
[18:41] <Keigo-kun> starting finch in it now..
[18:42] <Keigo-kun> hahaha new error
[18:42] <TheSheep> :3
[18:42] <Keigo-kun> arrowkeys are not working in finch anymore
[18:43] <Keigo-kun> How is it possible for something so simple to be so complex O.o
[18:43] <TheSheep> I'd be guessing finch tries to do its own terminal support routines and fails badly
[18:43] <TheSheep> the developers probably only tested it on their own computers with rxvt terminal
[18:44] <Keigo-kun> I somehow doubt it, i mean it's pidgin, it's pretty much the biggest IM client on linux right now
[18:44] <Keigo-kun> at least that's what I've seen
[18:44] <TheSheep> Keigo-kun: the part that supports the terminal is not part of pidgin
[18:45] <Keigo-kun> finch is a part of pidgin... allthough i guess the developers aren't the same
[18:45] <Keigo-kun> xterm-color is no go
[18:45] <TheSheep> Keigo-kun: I wonder if it has a support channel on freenode...
[18:46] <Keigo-kun> It doesn't.. when I asked in pidgin, they blamed xterm
[18:46] <TheSheep> sweet
[18:46] <TheSheep> well, surely there *is* a bug somewhere, and since all other apps work fine with xterm...
[18:49] <Keigo-kun> I guess my only option is to use rxvt-unicode.. which kinda stinks since you can't paste and stuff in it
[18:49] <TheSheep> you could write a small shell script for starting finch
[18:49] <TheSheep> with 'export TERM=rxvt-unicode; finch' in it
[18:50] <Keigo-kun> hmm, that sounds like a good idea actually
[18:50] <zoredache> does that actually work?
[18:50] <TheSheep> zoredache: yeah, why not?
[18:52] <zoredache> because when I press F1 in rxvt-unicde I  get '5b1b 3131 1b7e 315b' when I press F1 in xfce4-terminal I get a '4f1b 1b50 504f'
[18:52] <zoredache> I start both terminals and do a cat | hexdump btw to get those
[18:52] <TheSheep> zoredache: but finch doesn't need f1
[18:53] <Keigo-kun> actually, i'm doing it the other way, i did EXPORT TERM=xterm before entering mp3blaster and that worked fine
[18:53] <zoredache> ah, I guess I am lost about what needs to be fixed
[18:54] <Keigo-kun> zoredache: rxvt-unicode works perfectly for me except that some FX buttons won't work, they are needed in mp3blaster
[18:55] <zoredache> ah
[18:56] <TheSheep> Keigo-kun: btw, hw do you type these åâā, etc?
[18:56] <Keigo-kun> They are on my swedish keyboard
[18:56] <Keigo-kun> öäå
[18:56] <TheSheep> ah, ok
[18:56] <Keigo-kun> But I actually think this bug is in xfce4-terminal
[18:57] <Keigo-kun> Since F1 works fine in rxvt-unicode, why should it not work in xfce4-terminal?
[18:57] <TheSheep> Keigo-kun: well, try  it in some other apps, like midnight commander for example
[18:57] <Keigo-kun> obviously xfce4-terminal isn't honest about the escape sequences
[18:57] <TheSheep> Keigo-kun: it is, it uses xterm escape sequences
[18:58] <TheSheep> Keigo-kun: no matter how you set the TERM vairable
[18:58] <zoredache> because rxvt sends vt102, and xfce-terminal sends xterm
[18:58] <Keigo-kun> That isn't making any sense..
[18:58] <zoredache> what part?
[18:59] <Keigo-kun> If xfce4-terminal sends xterm, what does the $TERM variable do again?
[18:59] <zoredache> the terminal sends stuff and the application recieves stuff
[18:59] <TheSheep> Keigo-kun: tells the applications what to expect
[18:59] <zoredache> the TERM lets the application know what it is getting
[19:00] <Keigo-kun> Hmm I see
[19:00] <Keigo-kun> so the problem is that Finch does not like xterms escape sequences then
[19:00] <TheSheep> exactly
[19:00] <Keigo-kun> and xterm can't send F1?
[19:01] <TheSheep> it can, but it does it differently than rxvt
[19:01] <Tu13es> bleh
[19:01] <Tu13es> Kernel IPI is taking over 50% of my wakeups
[19:02]  * TheSheep doesn't even know what's IPI
[19:02] <Tu13es> seems it's the OS rescheduling things
[19:02] <Tu13es> a LOT
[19:03] <TheSheep> the 2.6 cheduler is not exactly suited for desktops
[19:03] <TheSheep> there are some patches with alternate schedulers, but it requires recompilation, of course
[19:07] <Tu13es> mm
[19:07] <Tu13es> seems it's a bug
[19:08] <Tu13es> https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/linux/+bug/177895
[19:08] <ubotu> Launchpad bug 177895 in linux "Kernel 2.6.24-2 causing ~1000 wakeups by "Rescheduling Interrupts"" [Medium,In progress]
[19:20] <TheSheep> cool utility that powertop
[19:20] <TheSheep> I'm getting a negative number of wakeups per second %)
[19:28] <taza> What problem am I seeing here, if the card shows free 285mb, total size 7.4gb and used 6.8gb?
[19:29] <taza> Is some reserved to root and how can I remove the root reservation?
[19:29] <TheSheep> card?
[19:29] <taza> Ehh. It's a removable sdhc.
[19:30] <taza> In /etc/fstab as /card. Sorry, braindead today.
[19:30] <TheSheep> maybe it's use by trash?
[19:30] <taza> I don't use trash
[19:30] <taza> I use rm -rf and shift-del
[19:31] <taza> I mean, it seems pretty obvious it's being reserved for rot
[19:31] <taza> * root
[19:31] <Keigo-kun> Awesome, kicked from #pidgin
[19:32] <Keigo-kun> my claims that there could be a bug in finch was not appriciated
[19:32] <taza> Welcome to #freenode
[19:32] <taza> Err.
[19:33] <taza> Freenode. Not #freenode
[19:33] <taza> #freenode is actually quite nice
[19:34] <taza> Except that root gives the same df size. o.O
[19:41] <zoredache> taza: what filesystem was you card?   with an ext3 you have some reseved by root, and that can be adjusted by tune2fs
[19:42] <TheSheep> Keigo-kun: ouch, sorry about that
[19:42] <Keigo-kun> they invited me back in
[19:43] <TheSheep> madness
[19:43] <Keigo-kun> basically, this fellow is telling me this isn't possibly a bug in finch
[19:43] <Keigo-kun> he's saying my terminfo is probably messed up
[19:43] <Keigo-kun> I don't know how it's possible since I installed X today... but yeah
[19:43] <TheSheep> Keigo-kun: that's a possibility too, but then it would be messed in other apps too
[19:43] <zoredache> Keigo-kun: you have to becareful about telling people there are bugs in unspecified bugs in something...
[19:44] <zoredache> it is better to not call it a bug and simply say something like.  I called widget foo, and expected bar, but instead I got foobar!
[19:44] <Keigo-kun> Yeah I guess
[19:44] <taza> zoredache: ext2
[19:45] <zoredache> ah, the same is true for ext2... look at the tune2fs manpage... I suspect you may have it set at the 5% reserve which is default...  I don't know how to change it though
[19:45] <TheSheep> 'bug' is emotionaly loaded, true
[19:46] <Keigo-kun> I've seen it before... it's pretty normal for me to run between 4 channels before my linux problems are fixed, since everyone is blaming everyone else
[19:46] <Keigo-kun> most of the time though, it's a simple configuration error
[19:48] <taza> zoredache: -r did nothing at least
[19:48] <zoredache> you remounted after making the change?
[19:49] <taza> zoredache: But -r -m did
[19:49] <taza> -r 0 -m 0
[19:49] <taza> Did everything it should
[19:49] <taza> It's mounted as ro to users anyway
[19:52] <zoredache>  taza how are you getting the information btw?
[19:52] <taza> zoredache: For what?
[19:52] <taza> The "did anything"? remount, df -h
[19:52] <zoredache> for available/in-use space
[19:54] <taza> ATM preparing my box for Hardy Xubuntu
[19:55] <zoredache> you might try using a tune2fs -l and then see what you get when you do a (total blocks - free blocks) * block size
[19:55] <zoredache> df may not be counting correctly
[19:56] <taza> Actually, it is.
[19:56] <taza> But you need to pass -m 0 and not -r 0 to tune2fs
[19:56] <zoredache> ah, so that fixed it?
[19:57] <taza> Yeah
[19:57] <taza> I'll be reformatting it soon tho
[19:58] <zoredache> the alt-installer has an option to set the reserved blocks when you are setting up your filesystems
[19:58] <zoredache> On drives used for data I usually set it to 1-2% instead of the default 5%
[20:00] <taza> This is an external drive formatted afterwards
[20:00] <taza> Also, does anyone know what force-hpet in grub options does?
[20:02] <TheSheep> taza: not sure, but I have recently had some hp computers on which grub didn't work
[20:02] <TheSheep> taza: I need to test this option :)
[20:33] <Keigo-kun> hmm, after spending ages in #pidgin i got.... no answers XD
[20:33] <Keigo-kun> it did help though, i guess
[20:34] <TheSheep> Keigo-kun: hopefully this will be solved eventually
[20:34] <Keigo-kun> TheSheep: Yeah, they told me someone I could ask for more help on the issue
[20:34] <Keigo-kun> they said the problem is one of those: 1) terminfo, 2) the terminal, 3) the mode finch is using, 4) ncurses
[20:35] <Keigo-kun> If the terminfo is wrong, it's probably an ubuntuwide error
[20:35] <TheSheep> that pretty much exchausts the elements that take part in input :)
[20:35] <TheSheep> exhausts
[20:35] <Keigo-kun> hehe yeah
[20:35] <Keigo-kun> the guy helping me actually had the same error it turned out
[20:36] <Keigo-kun> I guess most people won't notice it, since they don't use the affected keys
[20:37] <TheSheep> yeah
[20:38] <TheSheep> that's the problem with ascii-only programmers: no testing :)
[20:39] <TheSheep> I've met many developers who didn't even understand what unicode is for
[21:35] <Stroganoff> theres no way to move the ~/Templates folder to a different position (hide it), am i right?
[21:37] <zoredache> what program uses a ~/Templates folder?
[21:38] <TheSheep> thunar
[21:39] <TheSheep> Stroganoff: I believe its on the todo list for thunar
[21:39] <Stroganoff> k
[21:39] <TheSheep> Stroganoff: but you know how the release schedule for xfce looks :)
[21:39] <Stroganoff> no i dont ^^
[21:39] <TheSheep> Stroganoff: like this: "when it's ready"
[21:40] <Stroganoff> wouldnt it break nautilus compatibility if just thunar moves this?
[21:40] <Stroganoff> is ~/Templates part of freedesktop?
[21:40] <Stroganoff> too many questions
[21:40] <TheSheep> no idea, check at http://freedesktop.org
[21:40] <Kaushik> sudo apt-get install emacs22-common-non-dfsg fails with a complaint that says /usr/share/emacs/22.1/etc/CENSORSHIP cannot be over written
[21:40] <Kaushik> is there some other way to install it?
[21:40] <TheSheep> thunar could probably check and merge two or more directories
[21:41] <TheSheep> Keigo-kun: what does 'dpkg -S /usr/share/emacs/22.1/etc/CENSORSHIP' say?
[21:42] <Kaushik> TheSheep: it says the file is also in emacs22-common
[21:42] <Troofy> when i try to configure wine by settings>wine this appears. http://img179.imageshack.us/img179/4903/snapshot1yd5.png any help?
[21:43] <TheSheep> Kaushik: upgrading the emac22-common first might help
[21:45] <TheSheep> Troofy: I believe this is not a xubuntu problem
[21:45] <Troofy> k
[21:45] <TheSheep> Troofy: try at #kubuntu maybe
[21:45] <Kaushik> TheSheep: upgraded emacs22-common, but the error persists
[21:46] <Kaushik> TheSheep: two packages want to write the same file..
[21:46] <TheSheep> Kaushik: maybe the package you are trying to install replaces it, but wasn't marked as such properly?
[21:46] <TheSheep> Kaushik: tried removing the emacs22-common?
[21:47] <TheSheep> Kaushik: there was some dpkg flag to make it not remove dependencies
[21:47] <TheSheep> Kaushik: still a packaging bug that you could report
[21:48] <Kaushik> TheSheep: emacs22-common is a dependency for emacs22 and erc.. can't remove
[21:52] <Stroganoff> is it possible to remove the floppy disk from the thunar shortcuts panel?
[22:02] <Stroganoff> is there a hotkey to enable image thumbnails in thunar?
[22:10] <TheSheep> Stroganoff: you can also try asking at #xfce
[22:45] <zoredache> is there anything that can be done to make xfce4-terminal more efficient?
[22:46] <zoredache> I use putty and connect to my localhost as account, and startup an xfce4-terminal session...
[22:47] <zoredache> when I do a 'times find ~' in putty it finishes in 7.2ms... when I run the same command in xfce4-terminal it takes 18.3ms
[22:47] <march> goodnight :)
[22:48] <TheSheep> zoredache: I'm sure the 8ms difference is very annoying
[22:48] <TheSheep> zoredache: disable transparency, that should help a little
[22:49] <zoredache> TheSheep: this was just a test case... the same type of issue seems to show up when I am ssh to a remote host under xfce-terminal and I am looking at log files
[22:50] <zoredache> it feels like molasses, but it putty it is much faster... (but I like xfce-termial better overal)
[22:51] <zoredache> oh, and I don't have transparency... :|
[23:54] <benpage26> Hi, can anyone help me i am having trouble with a xubuntu live CD
[23:54] <TheSheep> benpage26: can you elaborate?
[23:55] <benpage26> I have the 7.10 live cd and have successfully booted it on my computer, but when i try to boot it on another PC it doesn't work
[23:56] <benpage26> i thought the cd may be corrupt so i ran the CD check option, it detected an error
[23:56] <benpage26> but when i run the same cd check on my laptop it detects no errors and says the CD is fine
[23:56] <TheSheep> benpage26: old cd drives may have probalems reading cd-r burned with high speeds. try burining it with the lowest speed you can
[23:57] <TheSheep> benpage26: also, laptop cd drives usually have pretty good error correction, to compensate lower laser power
[23:57] <benpage26> ok, so i should burn a new live CD with the slowest speed possible
[23:57] <benpage26> aha, the test that passed was on my laptop, and the one that failed on an older PC
[23:58] <benpage26> Would using the alternate install CD help at all? or is this just a problem with the CD not being read properly?
[23:59] <TheSheep> benpage26: the latter