[00:03] <justme_> ogra_cmpc / LaserJock: once the LTSP is installed, to make it into an edubuntu LTSP, you would still continue on and install the edubuntu addon CD... ON the server, correct?
[00:03] <justme_> and then as for clients machines, the method would be to install the regular ubuntu desktop (or using alternate I imagine would work), and then once in the gui, use the addon CD on the client?
[00:16] <justme_> err.. nevermind, heh.. clients are dhcp/pxe boots ;p
[00:44] <lns> justme_, afaik you don't need the CD per-se, just install edubuntu packages (don't recall which ones specifically) to turn ubuntu-ltsp into edubuntu (just depends on lots of edu apps & theme type things)
[01:03] <LaserJock> edubuntu-desktop
[01:03] <LaserJock> lns: ^^
[01:09] <lns> LaserJock, ty =)
[01:09] <lns> haven't done that in a while
[01:10] <LaserJock> you can also do edubuntu-desktop-kde if you have a bent that way
[01:23] <pygi> LaserJock, !
[01:23] <pygi> hey :)
[03:01] <justme_> oke.. I've run the installer off the alternate CD to install the LTSP server, but having issues near the end of the installation:
[03:02] <justme_> its trying to build the LTSP root, and keeps failing (even after I remove the /opt/ltsp/i386 folder so it can try again)
[03:02] <justme_> reading the last couple lines of the syslog, it says something about getting unexpected data at the end of /etc/apt/apt.conf.d/Proxy:2:
[03:03] <justme_> I checked that folder, and there is no files with proxy in their name, or as text inside any of the files in there, there is however:
[03:03] <justme_> /etc/apt/apt.conf that has a single line in it, and its my local proxy that I put in during the early part of the installation
[03:03] <boog> have you tried a complete fresh install?
[03:04] <justme_> this is a fresh install
[03:04] <boog> so you connect thru a proxy server?
[03:04] <justme_> the first install died on 2% of configuring en-language-base or something, this is the 2nd one now
[03:04] <justme_> I do to increase speeds when doing repetitive things, yes
[03:04] <justme_> so I'm assuming i've found a bug :(
[03:05] <justme_> I tried removing the single line (its the only line in the file) in the /etc/apt/apt.conf file, and deleted the i386 folder, and re-ran creation, but it still failed with the same error
[03:05] <boog> I have never configured edubuntu to use a proxy server.
[03:06] <justme_> I was hoping it was an easy fix and I wasn't going to have to go through the whole process again because one part of the process took forever because it downloaded part of openoffice during the installation.. I guess because there was a newer version, and either my inet is acting up (slow), or the servers are slow
[03:07] <justme_> and it took a long time at 90% of the installation where it simply said "please wait" .. with nothing else on the screen, but thankfully I have a little patience and knowledge,
[03:07] <justme_> and went and looked on another terminal and noticed that there was still network traffic on the ethernet interface, and then checked the syslog, and it showed that it was downloading some files
[03:07] <boog> could you install it without the proxy server just to know you have it working, or is that out of the question
[03:08] <justme_> its not out of the question, its just another hour away from finishing if it downloads those openoffice updates during the installation again
[03:08] <boog> I understand.  Can someone else here offer some advice?
[03:08] <justme_> and I am kind of short on time tonight, I had set a deadline for myself of 6pm.. and its already 7pm :p
[03:08] <justme_> my evening is quickly running away
[03:10] <justme_> how does one run the ltsp root creation after installation? .. because maybe I can finish the install (it looks like just grub is left to go), and then
[03:11] <justme_> run the updates and maybe these updates will fix the issue.. but I would need to be able to create the ltsp root after running all the updates
[03:17] <justme_> with a little googling, is this what i'd be wanting to use after running the updates? ltsp-update-image
[03:20] <LaserJock> probably
[03:28] <ToddEDM> is there a hardy beta of edubuntu?
[03:28] <LaserJock> yes
[03:30] <ToddEDM> where could i download it from?
[03:31] <LaserJock> http://releases.ubuntu.com/edubuntu/hardy/
[03:34] <ToddEDM> addon cd?
[03:35] <LaserJock> yeah
[03:35] <ToddEDM> can this just be installed to a blank HDD?
[03:35] <LaserJock> ToddEDM: are you after an LTSP server?
[03:35] <ToddEDM> no
[03:35] <LaserJock> no
[03:35] <ToddEDM> ok
[03:35] <LaserJock> you need an Ubuntu system first
[03:36] <ToddEDM> ok
[03:38] <justme_> ToddEDM, I just made a blog post about this: http://gumptravels.blogspot.com/2008/04/installing-ubuntu-804-ltsp-or-edubuntu.html
[03:38] <justme_> a few hours ago
[03:38] <justme_> i was looking for the same info :)
[03:38] <ToddEDM> ok cool, i will have a read
[03:39] <ToddEDM> so can edubuntu run in kiosk mode... im setting it up for a 6 year old
[03:40] <ToddEDM> i dont want him to mess with anything else
[03:41] <LaserJock> you can try pesselus and sabayon to lock down the machine
[03:42] <justme_> ToddEDM: I just realized you were just looking for edubuntu desktop, not the server.. my bad
[03:43] <justme_> the blogpost is only about the server side of things
[03:43] <justme_> as LaserJock said, you simply need a running hardy installation and then get the addon CD
[03:43] <justme_> a running desktop installation that is... with gui :)
[03:44] <justme_> you can also try just installing the edubuntu-desktop or edubuntu-desktop-kde meta packages which will install their respective counterparts of edubuntu for gnome or kde
[03:45] <justme_> if you didn't want to download and burn the addon CD
[08:00] <generalsnus> heyas
[08:01] <generalsnus> i can get thin clients to boot from edubuntu server out of the box, but how can i get workstations installed with edubuntu to authenticate against the server?
[10:21] <ogra_cmpc> justme____, could you file a bug about the proxy issue you had during install and attach /var/log/installer/syslog as well as /var/log/ltsp-image-build.log ?
[11:51]  * highvoltage waves hello from the middle east
[11:51]  * kgoetz waves hello to highvoltage 
[11:53] <ogra_cmpc> highvoltage, how much in the middle of this east thing are you ?
[11:56]  * RichEd puts a tea towel on his head and throws a brick at highvoltage ...
[11:57] <RichEd> bahrein ? is that the .br extension
[11:59] <RichEd> .bh
[11:59] <RichEd> From Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
[11:59] <RichEd> .bh is the Internet country code top-level domain (ccTLD) for Bahrain. It is administered by BATELCO.
[11:59] <RichEd> ^ jonathan2 (n=jonathan@as74-1-ip5-181.access.batelco.com.bh
[12:00] <ogra_cmpc> .br would be brazil ... but there you have to go a lot more eastern to get to it ... thats hardkly the middle
[12:01] <RichEd> sorry .br was a typo ... .bh is correct
[12:01] <ogra_cmpc> yeah
[12:11] <highvoltage> ogra_cmpc: I'm in Bahrain, quite north of it, I think
[12:11] <highvoltage> RichEd: yep, .bh :)
[12:12] <RichEd> highvoltage: i guessing that the womenfolk in .bh dress quite differently to their counterparts in .br ... despite a similar beach weather
[12:13] <ogra_cmpc> RichEd, did your zsync work btw ?
[12:13] <ogra_cmpc> seems amitk has massive problems getting his img updated
[12:15] <highvoltage> RichEd: well, we were at a party last night where a lot of lebanese and arabic girls were wearing close to nothing :)
[12:20] <RichEd> ogra ... no ... it was a mess ... trying again today & tomorrow
[12:21] <RichEd> power & adsl been bouncing this week ... which brings up a question ...
[12:21] <RichEd> if i lose my connection, do i reissue the zsync command, and will it resume or start over?
[12:21] <ogra_cmpc> RichEd, but the zsync command generally worked for you ?
[12:21] <RichEd> ogra_cmpc: it looked like it ... but none of the checksums matched :(
[12:21] <ogra_cmpc> indeed, if  you resumed that might happen
[12:22] <ogra_cmpc> i'm just trying to help amit
[12:22] <ogra_cmpc> who doesnt seem to get zsync to even start the download
[12:22] <ogra_cmpc> if i use his command it starts fine here showing a progressbar made of #'s and an ETA
[12:23] <ogra_cmpc> do you remember seeing something like that ?
[12:25] <RichEd> yep ... 2 action sections if i remember
[12:25]  * ogra_cmpc thinks the classmate image will be very buggy ... nobody apart from kevin does actual tests
[12:25] <RichEd> a checking process ...
[12:25] <RichEd> then the actual get ... with % and ETA and ##### ...
[12:26] <ogra_cmpc> ... anhd thrusday the time for normal bugfixes is over ... bugs that i dont see personally wont be fixed
[12:26] <RichEd> i would love to test ... and replace the image i have that hangs randomly at the time of most annoyances
[12:27] <ogra_cmpc> RichEd, well, i know you have probs, but we gave out 20 cmpcs or so ... apart from kevin i didnt get any general testing ... mvo and asac tested their apps only (firefox, gnome-app-install) and are both to busy to force them into general testing
[12:28] <ogra_cmpc> but anyway i dont have any high hope to get more feedback over the weekend
[12:28] <RichEd> i've got an 8 year old and 6 year old testing crew lined up ... on school hols ... lots of time and ideas on how to break it
[12:32] <ogra_cmpc> LaserJock, do you happen to be around ?
[12:40] <RichEd> ogra_cmpc: heard about this ? just in from Gerry
[12:40] <RichEd> http://www.stuermer.ch/blog/promising-times-for-ubuntu.html
[12:40] <RichEd> stgraber: you aware of that ^ 9000 Ubuntu machines in geneva schools
[12:42] <ogra_cmpc> nice
[13:38] <ogra_cmpc> RichEd, extremadura (spain) installs 4000 debian ltsp servers this year (they just flew vagrant in to help them set this up)
[14:26] <pygi> yea. extramadura is amazing ogra_cmpc
[14:26] <pygi> I had a chance to talk with a folk that was setting this up
[14:40] <highvoltage> wow.
[14:50] <RichEd> ogra_cmpc: any idea why debian vs ubuntu ... is debian still considered "barer & more stable" than the user geared ubuntu ?
[14:50] <RichEd> i'm talkin about perception, not reality :)
[14:52] <pygi> highvoltage, what is it? :)
[14:53] <pygi> RichEd, because ubuntu still hasn't proven itself as a server platform? :)
[14:55] <highvoltage> pygi: wow @ extremadura, I think it's cool what they are doing, didn't know about it before.
[14:56] <highvoltage> pygi: strange that they're not using ubuntu though.
[14:59] <pygi> highvoltage, isnt Guadalinex based on ubuntu these days?
[15:00]  * pygi thinks it is
[15:38] <LaserJock> ogra_cmpc: I'm just "lurking"
[20:00] <achandrashekar>  Hi all. I have a dual ltsp setup with ldap/ltsp on one box and ldapclient/ltsp on the other. all other clients receive dhcpoffer by either server. Anyhow...when adding ldap accounts on the master...it takes an inordinate time in shell before i get the next prompt..as well some accounts take at least 3 mins to login in. Any ideas where the probmen may be? I looked at resolv.conf and hosts file and that part appea
[20:00] <achandrashekar> rs to
[20:00] <achandrashekar>   be correct...so not sure? Any help would be great.
[20:01] <kgoetz> what takes a long time, for users to login for for slapd to create the user?
[20:01] <achandrashekar> kgoetz: both
[20:02] <achandrashekar> kgoetz: i guess its a two part problem..so hence..maybe focus on ldap auth issue?
[20:02] <kgoetz> odd. user creeation should be almost instantanious (especially if its a small directory)
[20:03] <achandrashekar> yeah... here is a problem though that may be associated with it
[20:03] <kgoetz> are clients on the ldap server logging in ok?
[20:04] <achandrashekar> Some idiot (not me)..had plugged in alot of clients to a powerstrip that caused a power failure earlier in the week. On the master server....i  couldnt get it to boot up and had to use fsck to fix inodes.
[20:05] <achandrashekar> So..that is the start of the problem
[20:05] <achandrashekar> i thinks
[20:06] <achandrashekar> ;)
[20:06] <achandrashekar> So im not sure if the powerfailure affected the ldap database?
[20:07] <kgoetz> potentially yes
[20:07] <kgoetz> if it was in use at the time especially
[20:07]  * kgoetz shudders at the description of the servers location
[20:08] <achandrashekar> yeah...that was Unusually and unfortunately connected to same strip as other clients
[20:08] <achandrashekar> pretty f'ing ridiculous
[20:08] <achandrashekar> never hire a trucker to do admin work
[20:08] <achandrashekar> I was pissed off to say the least
[20:08] <achandrashekar> anyhow...
[20:08] <kgoetz> i'd belive that
[20:09] <achandrashekar> took a long time for me to learn how to get the setup all working at first
[20:09] <achandrashekar> and the guy who simply had to hook it all up did a really crappy job
[20:09] <achandrashekar> okay enough bitching..sorry
[20:10] <achandrashekar> I need to know "how" to check the integrity of that database
[20:10] <achandrashekar> the ldap that is..
[20:10] <achandrashekar> any ideas??
[20:10] <kgoetz> not off the top of my head. sorry. at work our server hasnt gon down yet
[20:10] <kgoetz> (thank heavens for that)
[20:12] <achandrashekar> hmm..maybe a question for the ltsp guys??
[20:13] <kgoetz> i'd say so.
[20:28] <offload> hello.  Does edubuntu have packages installed that keep the desktop wallpaper and things like this from being changed?
[20:29] <kgoetz> not sure if it does by defaut, but you can intall some
[20:33] <offload> kgoetz, know of any?
[20:34] <kgoetz> offload: sabayon
[20:36] <offload> kgoetz, isn't that a gentoo distro?
[20:37] <kgoetz> offload: try 'apt-cache show gentoo' and 'apt-cache show sabayon' :)
[20:38] <offload> well you can understand my confusion with a distro called Sabyon Linux.  Gentoo / KDE super graphical distro
[20:39] <offload> Xnest ?  hmmm I gots some readin to do ;)
[20:39] <kgoetz> :)
[20:39] <kgoetz> if you have questions when your reading feel free to ask
[20:40] <offload> Test installing it on this machine now
[20:43] <kgoetz> gl
[20:47] <offload> kgoetz, installed fine but there's no documentation that I see on http://live.gnome.org/Sabayon about it's use and having a tough time finding anythign on google.
[20:49] <kgoetz> offload: check in /usr/share/doc/sabayon/ for documentation
[20:51] <offload> kgoetz, nada
[20:51] <offload> readme is usless and there's nothing else really
[20:51] <kgoetz> offload: hm.
[20:52] <kgoetz> what ubuntu release are you running?
[20:53] <stgraber> RichEd: Hi, about the geneva schools Linux deployment, I wasn't aware of that but just saw a post on our mailinglist (ubuntu-ch). That's great news
[21:07] <achandrashekar> offload: run gconf-editor and it's under /desktop/gnome/background and then just right-click on the key for picture filename and click "Set as Mandatory"
[21:42] <offload> achandrashekar, awesome thanks
[21:47] <achandrashekar> yep
[21:47] <achandrashekar> been down that road too.
[23:08] <supreme> hi all
[23:10] <supreme> somebody please can recommend a good edubuntu/ltsp server hardware, long time probed, guaranteed?
[23:11] <kgoetz> supreme: not sure i follow you
[23:12] <supreme> sorry, english isn't my main language, but, i'll tell you the situation
[23:12] <supreme> now Im able to buy a new server for a classroom working with edubuntu and 25 thin clients
[23:13] <supreme> i must to know which hardware will be 100% supported by edubuntu working as terminal server
[23:15] <kgoetz> avoid nVIDIA  chipsets and your well on teh way IMO
[23:21] <supreme> i was having problems with intel chipsets,,
[23:22] <kgoetz> thats supprising. which chipsets?
[23:25] <supreme> i havent exact model, but it's for p4, sata, 1 gigabit, no sound plugs
[23:26] <justme____> unfortunately I think video cards in general are rather piss poor for support from all 3 major manufacturers, intel, nvidia, and ati.. one rule of thumb to follow, is to avoid the newest hardware, since it is lacking the most support, as linux dev's haven't had time to debug and reverse engineer the newest ones
[23:27] <justme____> realistically, a video card can be swapped, if you run into problems, or a new video card installed to replace the onboard video.. so I wouldn't worry much about that.. just hope that you get a working/supported one, and if not, replace it
[23:27] <supreme> i don't mind video cards, since it will work as a terminal server
[23:28] <justme____> yeah, but with edubuntu, you need a gui installed, so that becomes an issue :)
[23:28] <kgoetz> its a server, you dont need a video card ;)
[23:28] <justme____> I imagine there may be some edubuntu servers running without guis, where admins have finished the client gui setups, and then removed/disabled the local gui.. but I couldn't really say
[23:28] <supreme> the graphics are working ok
[23:29] <kgoetz> theres at least one *g*
[23:29] <supreme> the problem is that thin clients restart session :/
[23:30] <supreme> i use another pc and clients works ok, so connectivity hardware is ok
[23:30] <kgoetz> thats a client side issue. what are the clients running?
[23:31] <supreme> i dont think could be client issue, since i change server and everything works ok (same switch, same clients, same edubuntu 7.10)
[23:31] <supreme> the clientes are eboxes, no hd
[23:31] <supreme> *clients
[23:32] <kgoetz> hm.