[00:01] <CheGuevara> hmm ntfs mounting in kde 4 deffinetely needs fixing before rls
[00:01] <neversfelde> it works for me
[00:02] <CheGuevara> thats weird
[00:02] <CheGuevara> oh you mean a dvd :P
[00:02] <neversfelde> ah no. Only a few seconds
[00:02] <nareshov> does anyone have skim working with konsole-kde4?
[00:04] <CheGuevara> yep Riddell dvds work fine
[00:04] <Riddell> maybe I should try regionset
[00:04] <neversfelde> now for me too
[00:05] <Riddell> nareshov: can't say I've tried
[00:05] <Riddell> nareshov: does it work with any kde 4 app?
[00:05]  * nareshov checks
[00:06] <nareshov> nope '[
[00:06] <Riddell> nareshov: does it work with kde 3 apps?
[00:06] <nareshov> yep
[00:07] <Riddell> ah, regionset did it
[00:08] <Riddell> it's days like this that make me dislike large evil corporations who try and control their customers
[00:08] <Riddell> thanks for checking CheGuevara, neversfelde
[00:08] <CheGuevara> np
[00:11] <nixternal_> damn, my router at home must have reset itself..can't ssh into it
[00:14] <crimsun> no, that was my vector into your toaster.
[00:15] <CheGuevara> lol
[00:30] <nixternal_> leave my toaster alone!
[00:33] <crimsun> it's not your toaster.
[00:33] <crimsun> (anymore)
[00:34] <CheGuevara> arrgh i forgot my gpg passphrase
[00:35] <nixternal_> CheGuevara: I know it, pay me $5 and I will tell you it :p
[00:35] <CheGuevara> lol
[00:38] <ryanakca> CheGuevara: that's always fun :)
[00:39] <CheGuevara> yeah just when i need to do this debdiff for kubuntu
[00:41] <Riddell> CheGuevara: you don't need gpg for a debdiff
[00:42] <CheGuevara> true
[00:42] <CheGuevara> debuild was complaigning
[00:42] <CheGuevara> i'll do an unsigned package
[00:42] <Riddell> -us -uc
[00:44] <CheGuevara> yep
[00:46] <CheGuevara> http://launchpadlibrarian.net/13101751/kdebase-workspace_4.0.3-0ubuntu2.debdiff
[00:46] <Riddell> what's the "desktop toolbox"?
[00:47] <CheGuevara> that thing in the to right corner
[00:47] <CheGuevara> the one that asiego loves so much :P
[00:47] <CheGuevara> *aseigo
[00:48] <CheGuevara> zoom is useless in kde 4.0.x and it doesn't do much else useful
[00:48] <Riddell> it's how you add applets
[00:48] <CheGuevara> yeah but there are at least 2 other ways to add them
[00:48] <Riddell> discoverable ways?
[00:48] <CheGuevara> yep
[00:48] <CheGuevara> right click on desktop
[00:49] <CheGuevara> and press add widget
[00:49] <nixternal_> CheGuevara: once zoom is working (which it isn't in trunk yet last I checked), it will be pretty cool
[00:49] <Riddell> there's a whole class of people who never use the right mouse button
[00:49]  * nixternal_ never uses the mouse :)
[00:49] <nixternal_> Riddell: did you updated your qt-copy package in your PPA?
[00:50] <nixternal_> I was thinking of using my PPA for some biweekly snapshots possibly
[00:50] <CheGuevara> hmmm
[00:50] <CheGuevara> apachelogger said it was ok to remove it as opposed to just removing the zoom buttons
[00:50] <nixternal_> I wouldn't remove that thing in the top right...to many people use it that I know of
[00:51] <nixternal_> new users typically aren't right click lovers yet
[00:51] <CheGuevara> there's no plasmoids to add
[00:51] <CheGuevara> most are on by default
[00:51] <CheGuevara> and extragear ones are b0rked i think
[00:51] <nixternal_> they shouldn't be
[00:51] <Nightrose> CheGuevara: extragear ones work fine heer
[00:51] <Nightrose> *here
[00:51] <nixternal_> I just built them out today at home as a matter of fact, and they all work great
[00:51] <nixternal_> even the dataengines
[00:52] <CheGuevara> when you build them ur self or from repos?
[00:52] <Riddell> nixternal_: no but rc 1 packages would be lovely to have
[00:52] <nixternal_> hrmm, I won't have any time really until sunday to work on anything
[00:52] <Riddell> nixternal_: we'll see who has spare time first then :)
[00:52] <nixternal_> I still have some screenshots for my KDE 4 and Community presentations this weekend
[00:53] <nixternal_> works for me :)
[00:53] <nixternal_> the qt rc1 pkg should be easy as long as they grab your qt-copy one and just update it
[00:53] <nixternal_> I need to try and build out the new jambi packages with the openjdk stuff...I couldn't get them build...actually, they wouldn't even build using sun-java6
[00:55] <ryanakca> nixternal_: oooh, that (biweekly snapshot) would be nice, much better than trying to build from source and then discovering that my sources are messed up...
[00:56] <Riddell> CheGuevara: I'd much rather just remove the zoom button
[00:56] <nareshov> okay, weirdness
[00:56] <Riddell> CheGuevara: was it discussed with seele?
[00:56] <nareshov> Ctrl+B wasn't working on emacs inside konsole-kde4
[00:57] <nareshov> and now I notice that its konsole's "Add bookmark" shortcut >_>
[00:57] <CheGuevara> Riddell: no, why?
[00:58] <nixternal_> OK, I really need to pay attention to this class..I am supposed to be bidding on some project, and I have no clue what it is :)
[00:58] <nixternal_> I will be back in a bit!
[00:58] <ryanakca> lol :)
[01:01] <CheGuevara> Riddell, but yeah if you'd rather do that, I can produce a patch, I just fount where the code is :P
[01:01] <Riddell> CheGuevara: I suspect she has informed opinions
[01:10] <Riddell> _Sime_!
[01:11] <Riddell> _Sime_: is python-kde in kdebindings 4.0.3 synced to Jim's 4.0.2?
[03:58] <nixternal> well, I tried using the projector in class, and it was less than usable for me...had some issues...even xrandr proved to be evil
[03:59] <DaSkreech> nixternal: hardy?
[03:59] <nixternal> yup
[03:59] <nixternal> both in kde4 and kde3
[04:00] <nixternal> which krandrtray and xrandr have worked in the past
[04:40]  * stdin adds bug #197865 to his 5-a-day "done" list
[04:40] <ubotu> Launchpad bug 197865 in kdebase-workspace "Zoom out button in plasma should be removed for hardy" [Low,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/197865
[04:43] <nixternal> ahh, that button
[04:43] <nixternal> stdin: good call!
[04:43] <stdin> if anyone want's to test, "deb http://ppa.launchpad.net/tsimpson/ubuntu hardy main"
[04:43] <nixternal> that will stop the stupid bug reports and questions we keep seeing
[05:18]  * n8k99 !loving java programming class 
[05:21] <DasKreech> n8k99: Nice
[05:21] <n8k99> you must be feeling my pain
[05:35]  * Hobbsee is liking the java class.  gasp.
[05:38] <DasKreech> You just like it cause you get to keep the coffee afterwards
[06:04] <Hobbsee> DasKreech: i don't drink coffee :P
[06:05] <DasKreech> That's why it's a gasp you like the class :)
[06:47] <apachelogger> nixternal: the questin you have to ask is - do we want our users to prop into a plasmoid control window where you can easily break your whole desktop and can't find any plasmoids to use, because users don't search for plasmoid packages just like they don't right click their desktop to find new stuff
[08:25] <_Sime_> Riddell: I was busy merging and testing just an hour before you called out.
[08:45] <_Sime_> Riddell: 4.0.4 will be synced. There was not enough time to catch the 4.0.3 bus
[09:40] <serega> hi there
[10:13] <etretyak> hi, serega!
[10:25] <Riddell> "Your membership in kubuntu-members is about to expire" uh oh
[10:26] <jpatrick> mail should have a renewal link
[10:32] <Riddell> "kubuntu-members will expire soon from ubuntumembers" uh oh uh oh
[10:33] <jpatrick> "ubuntu-core-dev will soon expire"
[10:38] <jpatrick> ah wait, ~kubuntu-members isn't a permument member of ubuntumembers? :-/
[10:39] <Riddell> mornfall: what's all this about adept being removed from Debian?
[11:04] <mornfall> Riddell: Well, 2.x is just too broken as it is. So I asked for its removal.
[11:58] <nixternal> it is way to early!
[11:58] <Jucato> waaay
[11:59] <nixternal> apachelogger: how is someone going to go into the the little coffee bean in the top right corner and break their whole desktop by adding a widget or zooming in?
[11:59] <nixternal> 06:00
[11:59] <nixternal> I haven't been up this early since the military
[11:59] <Jucato> hm... I think you have been up once this early...
[12:00] <Jucato> either for a meeting or you just woke up early by chance
[12:00] <nixternal> ya, if I stayed up the entire night :)
[12:00] <nixternal> oh ya
[12:00] <nixternal> I forgot about UDS Paris
[12:00] <nixternal> I did wake up every morning at like 05:00 so I can catch the meetings
[12:01] <nixternal> I ended up going to bed at 01:00, woke up at 05:30
[12:01] <nixternal> already took the dogs out, and made a pot of coffee :)
[12:01] <Jucato> :D
[12:01] <Jucato> ah kaffeine!
[12:01] <nixternal> oh yes
[12:01] <nixternal> on a day like today, only the strong stuff will do
[12:02] <Jucato> strong stuff = pure coffee powder/beans... no water, no sugar
[12:02] <nixternal> going to have breakfast with Bruce Perens, John Maddog Hall, and a few other speakers..I hope somebody is paying :p
[12:02] <nixternal> hahahaha
[12:02] <nixternal> heck ya, who needs water anyways :)
[12:02] <Jucato> somebody's paying... you :)
[12:02] <nixternal> I hope not, I am broke
[12:03] <Jucato> :D
[12:04] <nixternal> as a matter of fact, in 2 weeks I will be at Penguicon with jcastro...he doesn't know this yet, but I am sleeping in his bed and he has the couch :P
[12:04] <Jucato> O.o
[12:04] <Jucato> lol
[12:04] <Jucato> I "misread" that in some perverted way :)
[12:04] <nixternal> go figure
[12:04] <Jucato> :D
[12:05] <nixternal> why are all of my filipino friends perveted?
[12:05] <nixternal> perverted too
[12:05] <Jucato> it's in the jeans :P
[12:05] <Jucato> (pun intended)
[12:06] <nixternal> hehe
[12:10] <Riddell> mornfall: it seems to work in kubuntu still though
[12:11] <nixternal> how is your morning thus far Riddell? I rarely catch you in the morning :)
[12:11] <Riddell> nixternal: very exciting, I had to go an courir blood across town earlier to save a fluffy kitten
[12:12] <nixternal> hehehe, man you are like a super hero for real :)
[12:44] <nixternal> OK, time to go pimp Kubuntu and KDE! hopefully I won't have to beat up the Gnome Users Group again
[12:45] <Jucato> GuG :)
[12:46] <nixternal> ya, Chicago has a GUG
[12:46] <nixternal> I am gonna hit um with a KEG
[12:46] <nixternal> KDE Eats Gnomeites
[12:46] <nixternal> my bud is their leader, as a matter of fact, he is picking me up from the train this morning :)
[12:47] <Jucato> hahah
[12:47] <Jucato> but KEG is already taken...
[12:47] <nixternal> I know, KUG didn't sound cool though
[12:47] <Jucato> let's think of something kooler :)
[12:48] <Jucato> ok done thinking... nada :)
[12:48] <Jucato> KEG it is!
[12:48] <nixternal> haha
[12:48] <nixternal> plus a KEG it great to have at a party
[12:50]  * nixternal goes
[12:50] <nixternal> cya later
[12:50] <Jucato> cya!
[13:05] <mhb> hi
[13:14] <Riddell> Nightrose: were you looking at apps crashing on exit yesterday?
[13:14] <Nightrose> i was yes
[13:15] <Riddell> Nightrose: dfaure posted a patch, want to test .debs when I compile them?
[13:15] <Nightrose> Riddell: sure
[13:16] <Nightrose> Riddell: ##distro meeting today btw (in case you want to attend and didn't see it yet)
[13:17] <Nightrose> ##distros even
[13:17] <Riddell> Nightrose: yeah, I think I'm out canoeing at the time though :(
[13:18] <Nightrose> hehe ok - I will keep an eye on it
[13:18] <Nightrose> and have fun canoeing
[13:20] <Riddell> thanks
[13:21] <Artemis_Fowl> mhb: hey
[13:22] <Artemis_Fowl> mhb: I asked you the other day too but you were afk
[13:22] <Artemis_Fowl> mhb: what's the state of this: https://blueprints.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+spec/kubuntu-grubconfig
[13:46] <asac> ola ;)
[13:47] <jjesse> hola
[13:47] <Hobbsee> oh noes, ti's asac!
[13:47] <asac> please raise your hand if you do not have libgnomevfs on your system ;)
[13:47] <asac> hi Hobbsee
[13:47] <Hobbsee> heya :)
[13:48] <asac> i don't want to remove that but i need someone testing firefox ;)
[13:48] <asac> its just download upstream build: http://releases.mozilla.org/pub/mozilla.org/firefox/releases/3.0b5/linux-i686/en-US/firefox-3.0b5.tar.bz2
[13:48] <asac> unpack ... start ./firefox
[13:48] <asac> and see if preferences -> applications displays anything for you ;)
[13:49] <asac> but only if you don't have libgnomevfs ;)
[13:53]  * Riddell tries
[13:57] <Riddell> asac: http://muse.19inch.net/~jr/tmp/firefox.png
[13:58] <Riddell> asac: installing libgnomevfs2-0 doesn't seem to make any difference
[13:58] <asac> Riddell: install xulrunner-1.9-gnome-support as well please
[13:59] <asac> and touch /usr/lib/firefox-3.0*/.autoreg before you restart (bug)
[14:00] <asac> Riddell: anyway. don't need to test that
[14:00] <asac> justed wanted to see a confirm that this doesn't work with upstream firefox
[14:00] <asac> Riddell: what could firefox use to get applications for file extensions or mime-type?
[14:00] <asac> (on kde)`
[14:04] <Riddell> asac: KDE 4 uses the shared mime types same as gnome
[14:04] <asac> Riddell: i don't understand what that means
[14:05] <asac> what api is taht?
[14:10] <Riddell> asac: http://standards.freedesktop.org/shared-mime-info-spec/shared-mime-info-spec-latest.html
[14:11] <Riddell> it's not an API, it's a standard for desktops to implement
[14:14] <Nightrose> does anyone know if tonio made any progress on this: https://bugs.edge.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/kubuntu-meta/+bug/203690
[14:14] <ubotu> Launchpad bug 203690 in kubuntu-meta "kdesudo does not display correct comment in some cases" [Undecided,New]
[14:14] <Riddell> Nightrose: I seem to remember he said he'd fixed it
[14:15] <Nightrose> yea me too
[14:15] <Nightrose> I will mark it as fixed then
[14:15] <Nightrose> seele can reopen if needed
[14:17] <seele> mm?
[14:17] <seele> Riddell: he fixed it after he fixed it?  the last time i saw it, it was still broken
[14:18] <Riddell> Nightrose: wait to check with tonio
[14:18] <Nightrose> ok let's ask him then when he gets back
[14:21] <Tm_M> hi kids
[14:21] <Nightrose> heya Tm_M :)
[14:30] <Nightrose> jussi01: does quassel have an icon in the menu for you?
[14:31] <jussio1> Nightrose: no
[14:31] <Nightrose> ok
[14:32] <jussio1> Nightrose: I havent got around to it yet
[14:32] <Nightrose> jussio1: no problem - just wanted to make sure it is known and not a lical problem
[14:32] <jussio1> Nightrose: feel free to mod tha package and send me updates...
[14:32] <Nightrose> hehe
[14:32] <Riddell> Nightrose: http://kubuntu.org/~jriddell/tmp/kdelibs5_4.0.3-0ubuntu1_i386.deb (although dfaure just posted saying his patch wasn't relevant)
[14:33] <Nightrose> Riddell: will give it a test in a minute
[14:33] <Nightrose> Riddell: what should I be looking for exactly?
[14:34] <Riddell> Nightrose: see if programmes crash on closing
[14:34] <Nightrose> ok
[14:44] <Nightrose> Riddell: the two apps that were crashing for me on exit (dragon player and kopete) no longer crash - but I can't say for sure if kopete crashed in 4.0.3 or only before that
[14:44] <Nightrose> Riddell: but dragon player did just yesterday so I am sure about that
[14:45] <Riddell> Nightrose: ok, good, thanks
[14:45] <Nightrose> you're welcome
[14:48] <Nightrose> me for some reason my external HD gets mounted at media/My Book_1 now instead of media/My Book - and next boot it is media/My Book_2  - this is annoying as I point amarok there :(
[14:49] <Nightrose> worked fine until yesterday or so
[14:51] <metellius> i want to code a patch for libqt-gui packages, but the whole dpkg-buildpackage process is insanely slow for actually getting some iterative code/compile/test programming going... is there actually a better way for this that people have thought of?
[14:59] <Riddell> metellius: dpkg-buildpackage will clean the sources and recompile each time, not what you want as you've noticed
[14:59] <metellius> yes
[15:00] <metellius> i picked up hints about -nc being possible
[15:00] <Riddell> yes, that'll stop it doing the make clean
[15:00] <Riddell> metellius: you can also just edit the code and run make yourself
[15:00] <Riddell> and make install to install to /usr, no need to build the .debs every time
[15:00] <metellius> the install part of the debian/rules file is taking a lot of time
[15:01] <metellius> is there a hack to disable that?
[15:01] <Riddell> just run make; make install yourself
[15:01] <Riddell> and edit the code directly, don't recreate the patch each time, just make the patch when you've made the changes you know you want
[15:03] <metellius> i guess thats possible in most cases
[15:24] <jjesse>  /join #ubuntu-bugs
[15:37] <asac> Riddell: i guess you already know, but: "KNetworkManager 0.2.2 bugfix release"
[15:37] <Riddell> asac: hmm, no
[15:40] <Riddell> asac: where did you see that announced?
[15:44] <ScottK> I'm currently unable to sftp from Konqueror to anything in Hardy.  It works from Konsole.  Suggestions on where I should look into this?
[15:44] <ScottK> This is KDE3.
[15:46] <Riddell> works for me
[15:48] <ScottK> Riddell: OK.  Thanks.
[15:52] <ScottK> Riddell: Works for me too with a new user.  Thanks again.
[15:55] <asac> oops ... Riddell went to the nm-list
[15:55] <asac> and To: kde-networkmanager@kde.org
[15:55] <asac> Subject: KNetworkManager 0.2.2 released
[15:55] <asac> Cc: kde-announce@kde.org, networkmanager-list@gnome.org, kde-extra-gear@kde.org
[15:56] <Riddell> thanks
[16:10] <mhb> hmm
[16:10] <mhb> a strange thing - can you access directories with spaces in bash in hardy<
[16:10] <mhb> ?
[16:11] <Riddell> yes
[16:11] <Riddell> escape with a z
[16:11] <Riddell> escape with a \
[16:11] <mhb> martin@blackbook:~$ cd sthing\ sthing/
[16:11] <mhb> bash: cd: sthing: No such file or directory
[16:11] <Riddell> jr@wido:~/tmp>mkdir sthing\ sthing
[16:11] <Riddell> jr@wido:~/tmp>cd sthing\ sthing/
[16:11] <Riddell> jr@wido:~/tmp/sthing sthing>
[16:11] <mhb> hmm.
[16:11] <mhb> thanks
[16:12] <mhb> any idea why it does it?
[16:12] <Riddell> afraid not
[16:12] <mhb> me neither, but thanks
[16:12] <mhb> I'll UTFG
[16:20] <mhb> ah, removing those nasty bash hooks that KDE folks use (cs and the like) worked
[16:21] <sebas> mhb: zsh :)
[16:31] <manchicken> I marked bug #189764 as a duplicate of #48627.  Let me know if you all disagree.
[16:31] <ubotu> Launchpad bug 189764 in adept "Running Adept Update Manager fails. error msg available (dup-of: 48627)" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/189764
[16:31] <ubotu> Launchpad bug 48627 in adept "Poor resolution of "database locked" problem" [Medium,In progress] https://launchpad.net/bugs/48627
[16:41] <nixternal> oi
[16:41] <nixternal> I am sitting here wearing a Gnome button, just got a Gnome shirt, and I am hungry
[16:42] <Nightrose> hehe heya nixternal
[16:42] <nixternal> so, the crew bet me I wouldn't wear a Gnome t-shirt and give my KDE 4 talk
[16:42] <Nightrose> feeling good with the gnome button?
[16:42] <nixternal> it smells like dirty feet :)
[16:42] <ScottK> He likes Vista.  Gnome is a detail to him.
[16:42] <Nightrose> haha and you are of course going to do it?
[16:43]  * mhb likes OS X
[16:43] <mhb> :o)
[16:43] <nixternal> Nightrose: of course I am
[16:43] <Nightrose> *lol*
[16:43] <Nightrose> I knew it
[16:43] <Nightrose> photos!
[16:45]  * Nightrose is still looking for good kde related workshops for froscon ( so far I have "writing your own plasmoids" and some ruby or phyton programming) 
[16:45] <Nightrose> any ideas?
[16:45] <Nightrose> *python
[16:47] <Riddell> Nightrose: packaging workshop?
[16:47] <Nightrose> hmmmm yea good idea
[16:48] <Nightrose> now I just need to find someone to do that :P
[16:48] <Nightrose> maybe Harald
[16:48] <Nightrose> but well I need to find some more people for talks as well...
[16:53] <nixternal> Riddell: can you believe the 'Conference Pack' they sent has ZERO Kubuntu swag or CDs
[16:55] <Riddell> well there is no kubuntu swag
[16:55] <nixternal> at least a CD
[16:55] <Riddell> mm
[16:56] <nixternal> and people are asking for KDE 4 LiveCDs and Kubuntu CDs
[17:32] <jjesse> filling out tax forms is so much fun
[17:40] <Riddell> _Sime_: do you have any plans for a libpythonise for kde 4?
[17:40] <Riddell> apachelogger: how's kdebindings doing?
[17:56] <yuriy> bug 211717
[17:56] <ubotu> Launchpad bug 211717 in knetworkmanager "knetworkmanager - manual configuration doesn't load (kde4)" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/211717
[17:57] <yuriy> either kubuntu-kde4-desktop should depend on knetworkconf or knetworkmanager should be patched to launch kcmshell4 under kde4, which would be more sensible?
[17:58] <yuriy> or perhaps knetworkmanager even should depend on knetworkconf
[17:58] <Riddell> yuriy: kcmshell4 won't make any sense
[17:58] <Riddell> since it has no knetworkconf
[17:58] <yuriy> Riddell: sure it does, it just doesn't work, with the error mentioned in the bug
[17:58] <Riddell> hmm
[17:58] <Riddell> good point
[17:59] <yuriy> Running "kcmshell4 kcm_knetworkconfmodule" does load a gui, but with a error dialog box of: Could not parse the XML file.
[17:59] <Riddell> ah
[18:08] <jjesse> i know this is probally more of a support #kubuntu question but what plugin for mp3 supporti in juk?
[18:18] <Riddell> jjesse: should be same as amarok, libxine1-ffmpeg, but do test that
[18:18] <jjesse> ok will do
[18:18] <jjesse> sorry i knew it was a support question
[18:19] <Riddell> I'd be interested if it works
[18:21] <jjesse> Riddell: yes it does work
[18:21] <smarter> ScottK: ping
[18:23] <ScottK> Pong
[18:23] <ScottK> smarter: I have it on my list, but I haven't looked at it yet.
[18:23] <smarter> ok, thanks ;)
[18:23] <Riddell> jjesse: phew
[18:25] <smarter> ScottK: I was wondering if we should add some visual notification when hal/dbus is on strike
[18:26] <ScottK> smarter: If the user had this notification, what could they do about it?
[18:26] <smarter> not a lot, but they'll know that information displayed by the applet is not accurate
[18:26] <smarter> we could gray out the applet
[18:29] <smarter> lithion battery don't like at all being completely emptied(kills instantaneously 20% of the battery capacity), the user should know that he can't rely on the applet battery to do the work for him
[18:30] <ScottK> OK.
[18:30] <ScottK> If we can work out a reasonable what the user should do with the information, then it makes sense to look into it.
[18:33] <smarter> maybe we should make a popup warning the user with a "relaunch HAL and DBUS" button and a "I know what I'm doing" button
[18:34] <smarter> but it shouldn't appears if dpkg is running, to prevent annoying popups during hal/dbus update
[18:35] <smarter> What is the release date for hardy? (:
[18:44] <ScottK> I think it's a little late for that.
[18:44] <ScottK> Riddell: Does guidance-powermanager survive into Intrepid or does it go away with displayconfig?
[18:44] <coreymon77> so, how usuable is kde4 with the latest update?
[18:46] <Riddell> ScottK: don't honestly know
[18:46] <ScottK> Fair enough.
[18:46] <Riddell> we have a battery monitor and ways to hibernate in KDE 4, lack ways to set brightness
[18:46] <jjesse> there is a way to hibernate in kde 4?
[18:47] <ScottK> smarter: You might do better to focus on fixing up the kde4 situation than go back and do a lot of work on Guidance.
[18:47] <Riddell> jjesse: from the logout menu?
[18:53] <jjesse> never noticed the supsend to ram suspend to disk
[18:53] <jjesse> accidently hit shutdown though :(
[19:27] <_Sime_> Riddell: hey
[19:28] <_Sime_> Riddell: hopefully it should now be possible to create a C++ kcm modules which can hold the interpreter and load any Python kcm, without needing separate .so files or hacks like libpythonize
[20:17] <Riddell> _Sime_: sounds like it still needs an elite hacker to do that
[20:18] <Riddell> fabo: does libqt4-core still need renamed if it's going to hang around anyway as a transitional?
[20:25] <fabo> Riddell: it can be avoided, but I prefer to keep the transitional package to make sure later everything was built against newer Qt. smoother transition.
[20:26] <Riddell> fabo: but is the transition needed at all?
[20:27] <fabo> Riddell: yes and no, wait I'll give you a link
[20:28] <fabo> http://lists.debian.org/debian-release/2008/03/msg00361.html
[20:28] <fabo> http://lists.debian.org/debian-release/2008/04/msg00043.html
[20:30] <fabo> Riddell: in short, if we want to be strict, we need a transition, but it sucks to do a transition for an ABI revert and a single arch. like mips.
[20:33] <fabo> Riddell: btw, ubuntu doesn't care as it doesn't supports mips :)
[20:34] <fabo> Riddell: why do you force bash in Qt configure ?
[20:36] <fabo> Riddell: hmm, the transition is needed anyway because of the split
[20:59] <stdin> fabo: bash was forced in Qt's configure because it has several bashisms in it and it wasn't detecting some things right. it was added so we could build the ODBC QtSql plugin, but the plugin doesn't build on 64bit anyway
[21:01] <fabo> stdin: strange, it builds fine on my amd64
[21:02] <stdin> fabo: I don't have an amd64 box, but the LP buildd shows this:
[21:02] <stdin> http://launchpadlibrarian.net/11817847/buildlog_ubuntu-hardy-amd64.qt4-x11_4.3.3-0ubuntu3~hardy1~ppa2_FAILEDTOBUILD.txt.gz
[21:04] <fabo> ah, it's 4.3
[21:05] <fabo> anyway, I'll take a look to the log
[21:16] <mhb> good evening my friends
[21:17] <nosrednaekim> evening mhb...
[22:02] <mhb> nosrednaekim: how are you?
[22:03] <nosrednaekim> great.... I just finished my last science fair... and did fairly well.
[22:04] <mhb> nosrednaekim: science fair? What did you do? I've never seen one of those...
[22:12] <nosrednaekim> its a high-school research project.... and then you compete against other hihgschoolers
[22:12] <nosrednaekim> I designed a morphing aircraft wing
[22:14] <mhb> nosrednaekim: nice
[22:16] <nosrednaekim> Some guys from the Czech Rep actually came to our fair last year... they were intrested in setting up a similar program over there
[22:18] <mhb> nosrednaekim: wonder where they ended up :o)
[22:18] <nosrednaekim> they seemed to be some fairly highly ranking polititians or something of the sort
[22:20] <mhb> nosrednaekim: well, you know how big their egos are ... almost like mine :o)
[22:20] <mhb> nosrednaekim: everyone think he's the most important man here
[22:21] <nosrednaekim> heh
[22:23] <mhb> nosrednaekim: ego is one part success
[22:24] <nosrednaekim> and the other part.... ego :)
[22:24] <mhb> nosrednaekim: money is the other, I guess ... but if you want to make a great product, you need knowledge too
[22:26] <nosrednaekim> true true....
[22:26] <mhb> KDE is like emacs ... trying to pack everything in :o) thus never achieving the leetness of vim :o)
[22:26]  * mhb always had a wicked analogy handy
[22:29] <ScottK> mhb: Dunno.  I had to install the Gnome network manager applet for some testing last week and it just felt WRONG.
[22:30] <mhb> ScottK: gnome is no better
[22:31] <mhb> ScottK: both projects are like black holes to me - instead of cooperating with various tools, they support only their own - and if there's already one (but no-KDE), the people create a totally new one just for the sake of it
[22:32] <mhb> wake me up when KDE stops being blind and tries to cooperate with other projects (like Firefox, one of the most often used pieces of open-source software) more
[22:33] <mhb> just because something is not in the .kde/share/apps/ silly config structure does not mean it should be ignored by the project
[22:33]  * mhb shuts up
[22:48] <Riddell> Nightrose: looks like you handled it good
[22:48] <Nightrose> Riddell: :) thx
[22:48] <ScottK> mhb: I can see your point, but OTOH, I really dislike FF more and more and fine I mostly use Konqueror for web browsing.
[22:48] <Nightrose> I am glad the general ubuntu intro was done by someone else though tbh ;-)
[22:58] <Riddell> hmm, do we have a meeting tomorrow?
[22:59] <nosrednaekim> ah... seems so :)
[23:00] <Riddell> hmm, I don't think I can make it
[23:01] <sistpoty> Riddell: we're just considering to delegate freeze exceptions for FinalFreeze regarding universe. Would you like to deal with kde(4) packages for this?
[23:02] <Riddell> sistpoty: can do
[23:02] <sistpoty> Riddell: excellent, thanks!
[23:18] <yuriy> is kuser-kde4 installed by default?
[23:20] <Riddell> yuriy: no
[23:20] <Riddell> we could if it worked I suppose
[23:28] <neversfelde> huh, all KDE 4 wallpapers gone, except of the default one. Is this a bug or do I have to install another package?
[23:29] <Riddell> neversfelde: kdebase-workspace-wallpapers
[23:29] <Riddell> splitting that out saved 20 megs on the CD
[23:29] <neversfelde> Riddell: ah, thank you. Saving space is always good ;)