[00:01] <ubotu> New bug: #204260 in launchpad-documentation "Help wiki front page is overly long" [High,Fix released] https://launchpad.net/bugs/204260
[02:49] <Hobbsee> why do i care if my team has become some member of another team, if i'm just a user of the team?
[02:50] <Hobbsee> why are there no headers to filter this type of mail?
[02:50] <LaserJock> what would you filter?
[02:51] <Hobbsee> cprov: oh, backports support will actually happen now?  nice!
[02:55] <cprov> Hobbsee: yes, we are organising it for this cycle or the next. I will work similarly to the current PPA dependency mechanism.
[02:55] <Hobbsee> LaserJock: dunno.  accepted team mail?
[02:55] <Hobbsee> LaserJock: obviously, if this happened for a whole bunch of teams i'm a part of, regularly, i'd be wanting to filter it
[02:56] <LaserJock> Hobbsee: I can't imagine it'd happen all that often and you can filter the text of the message
[02:56] <LaserJock> I suppose the Rationale header could have something
[02:56] <Hobbsee> erk, something broke some buildds, it looks like
[02:57] <Hobbsee> LaserJock: i'd hope not.  but i like being able to filter multiple things
[03:44] <r11t> I have been trying to upload my open pgp keys but it has not worked out for me yet
[03:45] <r11t> I tried a few days ago and gave up.. I have been trying again today including generating a new key
[03:45] <r11t> but it still tells me that Launchpad could not import my keys
[03:46] <r11t> can someone please help me with this?
[03:48] <beuno> r11t, are you importing your public key?
[03:49] <r11t> beuno: my fingerprint that I see from the gpg --fingerprint command
[03:50] <beuno> r11t, did you check out: https://help.launchpad.net/YourAccount/ImportingYourPGPKey ?
[03:50] <r11t> beuno: thanks..I will check if I missed any step
[04:00] <r11t> beuno: thanks ..I followed the instruction and found what I was missing
[04:18] <r11t> I am in the verification step for confirming my OpenPgp key
[04:19] <r11t> I am getting a "The signed content does not match the message found in the email." error when I try to copy-paste like the instructions tells me
[04:19] <r11t> I saved the phrase and used the gpg --clearsign FILENAME command also
[04:22] <r11t> can someone please help me regarding what I could possible be doing wrong?
[05:21] <beuno> r11t, did you manage to fix it?
[05:21] <r11t> beuno: nope :(
[05:22] <beuno> r11t, it's usually due to adding extra information
[05:22] <r11t> beuno: this is the error I get "he signed content does not match the message found in the email."
[05:23] <r11t> I am guessing I need the pgp signature part
[05:26] <r11t> beuno: can u suggest what extra information I might have pasted ?
[05:49] <poolie> can someone tell me: can the user who posted a question followup to it?
[05:49] <poolie> i would think so
[05:51] <poolie> spiv, so you're working on tests?
[05:52] <poolie> spiv, lifeless: I'm wondering about starting to make a new release 1.3.1 with just that change, before the tests are done
[05:52] <poolie> with a view to getting it out at a reasonable time today
[05:58] <jamesh> poolie: you mean for answers.launchpad.net?
[05:58] <poolie> yes
[05:58] <jamesh> poolie: the person who asked the question should get an email when you add a comment
[05:59] <jamesh> replying to the email even works as a way to follow up
[05:59] <poolie> thought so
[05:59] <poolie> thanks
[06:04] <lamont> hrm.. given a bug in the debian bts, is there a trivial way to import that to launchpad?
[06:05] <lamont> or is it easier to just file a new bug and then mark it as also affects debian?
[06:12] <poolie> lamont: i know of no alternative to the second
[06:13] <lamont> poolie: ah, ok.  I wonder if I should file a wishlist bug against launchpad itself then...
[06:13] <lamont> "I CAN HAZ 'AOL' BUTTON PLS" :-)
[06:13] <lamont> hrm... I'm definitely being tired now... maybe time for bed.
[06:16] <poolie> lamont: good luck with that
[06:16] <r11t> poolie: I finally got it to work
[06:16] <r11t> turns out I was using the wrong phrase in the file
[06:16] <poolie> what "it"?
[06:16] <r11t> sorry poolie ..I confused you with someone else
[06:17] <r11t> staying up late is messing me up
[06:17] <LaserJock> lamont: there are open bugs about that I believe
[06:17] <lamont> LaserJock: no surprise there...  thanks
[06:17] <lamont> saves me filing one
[06:18] <LaserJock> at one point they were planning in importing the whole Debian BTS into LP
[06:26] <lamont> LaserJock: yeah, I remember that point in time too well
[07:25] <ubotu> New bug: #211680 in launchpad "Karma is decreasing" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/211680
[07:54] <ubotu> New bug: #211686 in launchpad "Upgrade Twisted for Launchpad" [Medium,In progress] https://launchpad.net/bugs/211686
[08:37] <thumper> stdin: ping
[08:55] <Toobaz> If I have a (small) project and some people translated my strings to different languages, that I obviously do not know (so I cannot verify them); what's usually the behaviour to follow? Use them even if they aren't approved? Approve them even if they can't be checked? Ask translation groups of the various languages to check them? Just give the "approve" rights to actual translators?
[08:56] <Toobaz> thank yo
[08:56] <Toobaz> u
[09:34] <carlos> morning
[10:17] <\sh> guys...did somebody checked out the openid url  
[10:17] <\sh> to work with drupal?
[10:17] <jamesh> \sh: what site are you having trouble with?
[10:18] <\sh> jamesh, looks like that drupal 6.0 openid implementation has problems with LP provided openid url :) 
[10:18] <jamesh> \sh: you're using https://login.launchpad.net/ ?
[10:18] <jamesh> or https://login.launchpad.net/+id/something ?
[10:19] <\sh> the latter
[10:19] <jamesh> \sh: does entering "https://login.launchpad.net/" work?
[10:19] <\sh> just a sec trying
[10:20] <\sh> jamesh, nope...to be more precise
[10:20] <jamesh> \sh: what error do you see?
[10:21] <jamesh> and is this a public site?
[10:21] <\sh> jamesh, yes..try http://www.sourcecode.de/ say "Log in using openid" under the login box...enter your openid url 
[10:22] <\sh> (answer the captcha question correctly, which means: use numbers instead of words as result) :)
[10:22] <\sh> drupal tries to create an account then...you'll see the error 
[10:23] <\sh> attaching your openid url to an existing drupal account works like a charm...so something is wrong in drupal or in the data returned by LP
[10:23] <\sh> or it's just me, because my druapl account has the same username as my LP one ;)
[10:24] <jamesh> I'm waiting for the confirmation email
[10:25] <\sh> jamesh, cool...than it's a conincidence between "using the same username on drupal as on LP"
[10:25] <\sh> I actually don't know if the mail setup for this drupal is correctly ;)
[10:25] <jamesh> \sh: drupal asked me to enter a user name, email address and full name after authenticating
[10:26] <\sh> jamesh, no error? like "username contains wrong characters" ?
[10:26] <jamesh> \sh: it then told me that I'd be able to log in with the OpenID once the I verified my email
[10:26] <jamesh> \sh: it said that, yes.
[10:26] <\sh> jamesh, shouldn't it be like that the openid provider gives back a username or something?
[10:27] <jamesh> \sh: it isn't required to
[10:27] <jamesh> (and we haven't configured Launchpad to do so with unknown sites yet)
[10:27] <\sh> jamesh, if not, and I'm not an expert in openid things, I think it's more a usability issue of drupal then
[10:30] <\sh> jamesh, you are using greylisting, right?
[10:32] <jamesh> \sh: yeah
[10:32] <\sh> jamesh, ok nice..I can see that the mail will go out in some time then :)
[10:33] <\sh> jamesh, and you are able on LP side to add other openid login enabled sites to give back usernames etc? where do I have to apply? :)
[10:34] <jamesh> \sh: you can't apply at the moment.
[10:34] <jamesh> \sh: and you shouldn't have to.
[10:35] <\sh> jamesh, so it's just a matter of time, that it will provide those data automatically
[10:35] <jamesh> \sh: we'll probably turn on sending of nicknames shortly, but we want to give the user a bit more control before revealing more info
[10:36] <\sh> jamesh, sounds good :) 
[10:36] <\sh> jamesh, thx for the clarification :)
[10:37] <jamesh> e.g. we don't want to be revealing users' email addresses without their consent.
[10:37] <\sh> makes sense...
[10:49] <mantiena-baltix> Hello all
[10:53] <mantiena-baltix> doko: hi, are you online? It seems you missed one patch in java-gcj-compat-dev
[10:54] <mantiena-baltix> Fujitsu: hi are you launchpad admin ?
[10:56] <doko> mantiena-baltix: which one?
[10:59] <mantiena-baltix> doko: this one: http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=447143
[10:59] <ubotu> Debian bug 447143 in java-gcj-compat-dev "java-gcj-compat-dev: UnboundLocalError: local variable 'MAX_CLASSES_PER_JAR' referenced before assignment" [Important,Fixed] 
[11:00] <mantiena-baltix> doko: this patch was dissapeared in 0.77 version, at least in deb packages
[11:03] <doko> mantiena-baltix: no, this is fixed for hardy
[11:03] <mantiena-baltix> doko: I don't really know if that patch is still needed :)
[11:04] <mantiena-baltix> doko: so, that patch isn't needed for 0.77 version ?
[11:04] <doko> mantiena-baltix: I did say, it is fixed. (btw, this is off-topic for #launchpad)
[11:07] <jamesh> \sh: logged in successfully.
[11:09] <mantiena-baltix> doko: ok, btw, maybe you know how space in PPA is counted ? I almost finished openoffice.org 2.4 backport to Ubuntu 7.10 Gutsy, but launchpad thinks, that I use more than 800Mb space in my PPA :(
[11:10] <mantiena-baltix> in reality I use no more than 550
[11:11] <mantiena-baltix> it seems launchpad counted size openoffice.org-2.4.orig.tar.gz two times :(
[11:11] <mantiena-baltix> s/size/size of/
[11:13] <doko> mantiena-baltix: please ask kiko about that
[11:13] <mantiena-baltix> kiko dissapeared :(
[11:31] <Fujitsu> mantiena-baltix: No, I'm not even a Launchpad dev.
[11:43] <Fujitsu> I like the new build status on +archive.
[11:44] <Fujitsu> Though it'd be very nice to have that on +packages too.
[11:59] <\sh> jamesh, great :)
[12:19] <pochu> jtv: hi. I didn't need to upload a new template after answering to your mail, did I?
[12:19] <pochu> (re: emesene translations)
[12:19] <jtv> pochu: no
[12:19] <pochu> I would like to get this up and running soon as to get as many translations as possible for hardy :)
[12:19] <pochu> ok, thanks
[12:23] <RzR> hi i have a question, how to activate "Doesn’t use Code" to "using" on my project page , since the upstream repo was migrated to LP
[12:24] <pochu> RzR: in the project page main page, in "change details" in the top left applet
[12:26] <RzR> ok true : Code for this project is published in Bazaar branches on Launchpad
[12:26] <RzR> Bugs are tracked:
[12:26] <RzR> 	
[12:27] <RzR> pochu: thx, lunch time now
[12:28] <RzR> can I suggest a link to that page in the code panel ?
[12:44] <Hobbsee> mrevell-lunch: were you intending your rss-feed to be globally, or per-component?
[12:54] <Hobbsee> ugh.  there really are no plans to let other openID people use launchpad?
[12:55] <Hobbsee> i know that LP would *Like* to dominate the world, but man, that sucks.
[12:55]  * Hobbsee thinks most (at least, most of debian) would like it the other way around.
[12:56] <bigjools> what, debian wants to rule the world? ;)
[12:57] <Hobbsee> no, but lots of debian people don't want to use malone, as it requires them having yet another ID
[12:57] <Hobbsee> that being said, maybe REVU will be changed to work with openid and launchpad, which might be nice.
[12:57] <Hobbsee> Fujitsu: any plans?
[12:57] <intellectronica> Hobbsee: do you mean logging into LP with an OID from a different provider?
[12:57] <Hobbsee> intellectronica: correct
[12:58] <Fujitsu> Hobbsee: I don't have much to do with REVU, but it would certainly make a lot of sense to use the new OpenID.
[12:58] <Hobbsee> Fujitsu: i thought you had root
[12:58] <Fujitsu> Except that there seems to be no way to find out which user is referenced by a certain LP OpenID URL.
[12:58] <Fujitsu> Hobbsee: This is true.
[12:58] <intellectronica> Hobbsee: note that there are problems with that. Your LP identity carries quite a lot with it - verified emails, for example, you'd have to be able to do the same with an OID
[13:00] <Fujitsu> intellectronica: Do you know of a way to get less entirely useless (ie. less random) information, given an LP OpenID URL?
[13:00] <Hobbsee> so, the user wouldn't be asked to verify emails, etc, after signing in?
[13:00] <intellectronica> Fujitsu: i don't understand the question
[13:00] <Fujitsu> intellectronica: Current OpenID URLs seem to be a random token, rather than an easily identifiable username.
[13:01] <Fujitsu> How can I tell who is who, if everyone logs in using their random string?
[13:01] <intellectronica> Fujitsu: correct. that's because it's possible to change your LP username. if we used something that can be changed for your OID url you'd be exposed to identity attacks if you were to change your username
[13:02] <Fujitsu> intellectronica: I'm aware. But the URLs are apparently kept private...
[13:02] <Fujitsu> So there's no way for anybody outside to work out which username owns a certain OpenID at any time.
[13:02] <spiv> Fujitsu: https://bugs.edge.launchpad.net/bugs/199069
[13:02] <ubotu> Launchpad bug 199069 in launchpad "User profile pages should not be OpenID identities" [High,Confirmed]  - Assigned to Francis J. Lacoste (flacoste)
[13:03] <Hobbsee> i love the whole "security by not talking about it" approach there.
[13:03] <Fujitsu> I'm aware of the rationale.
[13:03] <intellectronica> Fujitsu: what's the use case for that?
[13:03] <Fujitsu> intellectronica: Uhh, identifying a user.
[13:03] <intellectronica> Hobbsee: well, you're responsible for your security - we're just helping you by not selling you a feature that you really shouldn't use :)
[13:03] <Fujitsu> Rather than user 511991234Hsdkposzdfjiojoasdjoir saying "I'm an Ubuntu dev. Really. Believe me."
[13:04] <spiv> I think this is an appropriate moment to cry out "I am not a number!" ;)
[13:04] <Hobbsee> intellectronica: frankly, there's plenty of launcphad that isn't documented.  So, i shouldn't use any of that either, because it may compromise my security?  Or how do i know which documented bits are secure, and which aren't?
[13:04]  * Hobbsee scratches head.
[13:05] <intellectronica> Hobbsee: well, now you at least know of one thing you shouldn't use ;)
[13:05] <Hobbsee> oh.  dear.
[13:05] <Hobbsee> intellectronica: can i have the list of the rest?  :)
[13:06] <intellectronica> Hobbsee: i am not aware of any other vulnerable parts in LP. we do make a point of both fixing problems and notifying users as soon as anything is found.
[13:07] <Hobbsee> intellectronica: mumble, mumble, signed changes files, mumble, mumble.
[13:07] <Hobbsee> at least that got "fixed" after a few months - and is only specific to ubuntu
[13:07] <Fujitsu> Did it get fixed?
[13:07] <Fujitsu> Or can I still use my nice workaround?
[13:08] <intellectronica> all that talk is making me hungry. see you folks later
[13:08] <intellectronica> Fujitsu: by all means, file a bug if you think there's a limitation. we're eager to improve this offering
[13:09] <Fujitsu> At the moment, one can't do a thing with LP OpenID other than ascertaining that the owner is registered on LP.
[13:09] <Hobbsee> Fujitsu: you can still use your nice workaround.  hence, "fixed"
[13:09] <Fujitsu> Hobbsee: Ah, I see.
[13:09] <Hobbsee> Fujitsu: besides, you're subscribed to the bug, not me.
[13:09] <Fujitsu> Am I!?
[13:09] <Fujitsu> I thought that was private and I wasn't subscribed.
[13:10] <Fujitsu> But perhaps I've forgotten.
[13:10] <Hobbsee> oh, maybe it's mithrandir who is
[13:10] <Hobbsee> it's certainly private, as it's a security bug
[13:37] <mantiena-baltix> maybe anyone know if kiko or cprov will be online today ?
[13:38] <Fujitsu> The absence of both is odd.
[13:47] <Hobbsee> intellectronica: as LP will become a provider, will there be any plans to integrate in with the forums?
[13:47] <Hobbsee> well, the other way around?
[14:09] <mdz_> has anyone heard from kiko today?
[14:10] <intellectronica> Hobbsee: don't know
[14:12] <Hobbsee> intellectronica: i presume that kind of thing was the point of making LP an open-ID provider?
[14:12] <intellectronica> Hobbsee: true, but i simply don't know about future plans for integrating it with other apps
[14:13] <intellectronica> Hobbsee: Rinchen might know
[14:13] <emgent> mdz_: no only yesterday
[14:13] <mantiena-baltix> mdz_: maybe you know why today there are no daily-live in cdimage.ubuntu.com ?
[14:26] <mdz_> mantiena-baltix: I don't, but ubuntu-cdimage should know
[14:26] <Hobbsee> mantiena-baltix: iirc, it's because the livefses are failing.
[14:27]  * Hobbsee guesses that the cron jobs then got killed
[14:28] <Hobbsee> hang on, that info must be wrong now
[14:30] <Hobbsee> mantiena-baltix: daily-lives never got built today, at all, it appears
[14:31] <Hobbsee> oh
[14:31] <Hobbsee> mantiena-baltix: it's failed due to lack of space, and the release managers are waiting on IS to fix it.  i assume the next build will be tomorrow, by now.
[14:32] <Hobbsee> mantiena-baltix: \actually, it has been fixed, but they're still going to wait for tomorrow to build more
[14:36] <ubotu> New bug: #211784 in launchpad "Launchpad OP should send nickname SREG info to all RP" [High,Triaged] https://launchpad.net/bugs/211784
[14:48] <mantiena-baltix> salgado-brb: hi
[14:48] <fta> is there a way to preserve text formating in bug comments ?
[14:48] <fta> https://bugs.edge.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/pixman/+bug/211785/comments/2
[14:48] <ubotu> Launchpad bug 211785 in pixman "Please sponsor pixman 0.10.0-0ubuntu1" [Undecided,New] 
[14:51] <mantiena-baltix> kiko: hi, I was waiting for you :)
[14:51] <mantiena-baltix> kiko: maybe you know how space in PPA is counted ? Launchpad thinks, that I use more than 800Mb space in my PPA :(
[14:52] <mantiena-baltix> in reality I use no more than 550
[14:52] <Rinchen> Hobbsee, intellectronica - yes
[14:52] <Rinchen> Hobbsee, intellectronica - we have a spec for that
[14:52] <Rinchen> Hobbsee, intellectronica - we're working with the forums council as time permits
[14:53] <intellectronica> Rinchen: but the real pressing question is - are there plans to integrate LP OID with the large hadron collider? 
[14:54] <Rinchen> intellectronica, unfortunately not. CERN uses the lock and key method. SLAC uses openid :-)
[14:54] <kiko> mantiena-baltix, it counts the total space used -- ask cprov for details
[14:54] <intellectronica> :)
[14:55] <mantiena-baltix> kiko: it seems launchpad counted size openoffice.org-2.4.orig.tar.gz two times :(
[14:55] <mantiena-baltix> kiko: maybe you can remove these files manually: http://ppa.launchpad.net/mantas/ubuntu/pool/main/o/openoffice.org/ ?
[14:56] <kiko> mantiena-baltix, huh?
[14:57] <mantiena-baltix> I almost finished openoffice.org 2.4 backport to Ubuntu 7.10 Gutsy, but 1 Gb limit will be exceeded if I upload fixed diff.gz
[15:00] <kiko> mantiena-baltix, file a request (answers.launchpad.net/soyuz)
[15:05] <mantiena-baltix> kiko: maybe you can help me and remove these files: http://ppa.launchpad.net/mantas/ubuntu/pool/main/o/openoffice.org/ today ?
[15:06] <kiko> mantiena-baltix, file a request, as I said.
[15:16] <mantiena-baltix> kiko: ok
[15:32] <intellectronica> Fujitsu: b.t.w you _can_ get the identity from an LP open id URL. just browse to it and you'll be redirected to the user's profile
[15:53] <stevenknight1> any admins connected who could answer some questions about migrating an existing project to launchpad?
[15:54] <kiko-phone> stevenknight1, sure -- whatś up?
[15:54] <stevenknight1> hey kiko-phone
[15:54] <stevenknight1> we're considering migrating scons to launchpad
[15:54] <kiko-phone> awesome
[15:55] <kiko-phone> stevenknight1, where are you hosted?
[15:55] <stevenknight1> tigris.org
[15:55] <stevenknight1> not sure how to handle the fact that scons already exists as a nominal launchpad project
[15:55] <kiko-phone> stevenknight1, right. 
[15:55] <kiko-phone> stevenknight1, we can just hand it over to you, since you're upstream.
[15:55] <stevenknight1> okay, cool
[15:56] <kiko-phone> stevenknight1, do you want something imported?
[15:56] <stevenknight1> yeah, we're interested in launchpad because we're thinking about switching to bazaar
[15:56] <stevenknight1> and because tigris.org's bug tracker is becoming a pain
[15:56] <kiko-phone> stevenknight1, okay, very neat
[15:57] <stevenknight1> suspect the SCM conversion isn't too difficult from what i read about bzr
[15:57] <kiko-phone> nope, the SCM part is easy
[15:57] <kiko-phone> importing your bugs may require some custom code
[15:57] <stevenknight1> but how about converting issues/bugs?  that was a trick when we moved from sf.net to tigris.org
[15:57] <stevenknight1> right
[15:58] <stevenknight1> what's the procedure?  we write the conversion code but you have to do official execution?
[16:07] <kiko-phone> stevenknight1, sorry, the phone eating up my attention. well, if you can export into a parseable format, we can write an importer for it
[16:09] <stevenknight1> kiko-phone:  no problem re: phone, i'll find out what formats we can get
[16:09] <stevenknight1> some flavor of XML no doubt
[16:09] <kiko-phone> stevenknight1, okay, great. if you want to place a request in answers.launchpad.net/launchpad we'll keep track of the work
[16:10] <stevenknight1> kiko-phone:  okay, i'll take a look there and figure out next steps
[16:10] <stevenknight1> still have to get the whole team on board before pulling the trigger, tho
[16:10] <stevenknight1> thanks for the help
[16:10] <kiko-phone> stevenknight1, if you need any help or have questions, just ask, happy to help
[16:22] <LaserJock> MOTU plug: we really need to have bugs #1342 #204980 and at the very least bug #83488 fixes as soon as possible
[16:22] <ubotu> Launchpad bug 1342 in malone "Can't delete spurious "Affects" lines (bugtasks) from bug reports" [Low,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/1342
[16:22] <ubotu> Launchpad bug 83488 in malone "Implicitly unsubscribe bug contact when bug is Invalid" [Undecided,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/83488
[16:22] <kiko-phone> LaserJock, what's 204980
[16:22] <LaserJock> it's related to 83488
[16:23] <LaserJock> I want people to be able to unsubscribe to implicit subscriptions
[16:23] <LaserJock> having them droped witht he task is Invalid is a compromise and a bit different bug
[16:23] <pochu> bug #204980
[16:23] <ubotu> Launchpad bug 204980 in malone "bug contacts should be able to unsubscribe from implicit subscriptions" [Medium,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/204980
[16:24] <LaserJock> but we're losing contributors here and it's really messy
[16:25] <intellectronica> LaserJock: you mean you'd like to mark individual bugs to not send you email, even though you'd normally get email about them because you're subscribed to their target?
[16:25] <LaserJock> intellectronica: exactlly
[16:25] <LaserJock> when we have meta bugs with like 20-30 tasks
[16:25] <LaserJock> any bug contact gets flooded with emails
[16:25] <LaserJock> and I had the leader of one of my teams leave the team because of it
[16:26] <kiko-phone> LaserJock, intellectronica: this needs discussion. it's not just a bugfix.
[16:26] <LaserJock> and it's a problem for upstreams who are gracious enough to be bug contacts for there software in LP
[16:27] <LaserJock> kiko-phone: right, that's why I'm pimping it in here ;-)
[16:27] <kiko-phone> yeah
[16:30] <kiko-phone> LaserJock, what do key ubuntu/canonical engineers think of this?
[16:30] <LaserJock> have no idea
[16:30] <kiko-phone> LaserJock, can you do some minor research?
[16:31] <LaserJock> as far as, if we need to instead change our policies on metabugs?
[16:31] <ubotu> New bug: #211830 in malone "OOPS using email interface with a expired gpg key" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/211830
[16:31] <kiko-phone> LaserJock, well, sure, but which of the approaches to them looks sanest -- admin-deletion of bugtasks, invalid bugtasks don't notify implicit subscribers, explicit unsubscribing
[16:32] <LaserJock> well, ideally we'd have all three of course
[16:32] <LaserJock> but I can see which one is the most immediately needed
[16:32] <kiko-phone> ideally? multiple ways of doing something is not always good.
[16:32] <LaserJock> it's not
[16:32] <LaserJock> they are addressing different, but related, issues
[16:33] <kiko-phone> hmmm, not sure they are so different
[16:33] <LaserJock> some bug tasks are just wrong
[16:33] <LaserJock> and we need to be able to delete those
[16:33] <LaserJock> some bugs are metabugs and contacts may or may not want notification
[16:34] <LaserJock> some will want notification until the bug is finished
[16:34] <LaserJock> so that would be Invalid of Fix Released
[16:34] <LaserJock> ans some just don't care at all and are angry at getting flooded
[16:34] <LaserJock> :-)
[16:34] <intellectronica> i think that expiring those invalid tasks after some time is a better solution, b.t.w
[16:35] <LaserJock> intellectronica: how do you mean?
[16:35] <intellectronica> if you allow deleting tasks you'll get even more notification, because some people will keep re-raising them
[16:35] <LaserJock> huh?
[16:35] <intellectronica> LaserJock: i mean that a bugtask should evaporate after it's been invalid for some time
[16:36] <LaserJock> hmm, then we lose record-keeping
[16:36] <LaserJock> but that could make sense
[16:40] <intellectronica> as for blocking mail from individual bugs, i don't know. i really think it requires more discussion. there are very good arguments for and against allowing this
[16:40] <intellectronica> and we do supply email headers you can use to filter bugs if you really want to
[16:40] <LaserJock> well, *I* do that
[16:41] <LaserJock> because I get a lot of bugmail
[16:41] <LaserJock> but what happens is people are a bug contact for a single package or something and get very few emails
[16:41] <LaserJock> then their package happens to be in a metabug and they get a hundred emails in one day about something they don't care about
[16:42] <LaserJock> and their package task might have even been Invalid or Fix Released in the first few hours
[16:42] <LaserJock> they don't know why they are getting the emails and get frustrated
[16:43] <LaserJock> that's sort of the worst-case scenario, but it does happen
[16:43] <intellectronica> well, they are getting them emails because of bad data. if the bug really did manifest in their package then getting new comments would have been very useful for them
[16:44] <LaserJock> no, it isn't always bad data
[16:45] <LaserJock> though that is what I'm trying to handle with being able to delete tasks
[16:45] <LaserJock> the other aspect is that many bug contacts are only interested in particular aspects
[16:45] <intellectronica> then maybe they shouldn't be bug contacts, but rather subscribe to bugs
[16:46] <LaserJock> then what's the point of having bug contacts? :-)
[16:46] <intellectronica> or maybe they should be allowed to subscribe to only some kinds of messages and not others
[16:46] <intellectronica> i understand the case you're describing, and i totally get how that could end up being really annoying
[16:47] <LaserJock> the problem is that an upstream author will sign up as a bug-contact for their software, great idea. we love that
[16:47] <LaserJock> but then they get hit with process bugs that don't affect them
[16:47] <intellectronica> i'm just playing devil's advocate a bit, because i think that there are good reasons not to make some changes and we should consider them
[16:47] <LaserJock> and on top of that 90% of the emails aren't even about their software
[16:48] <intellectronica> i don't really understand what are process bugs. do you mean comments that relate to tasks that don't belong to them (like about the package, rather than the upstream project itself?)
[16:48] <LaserJock> we file process bugs to get things done in Ubuntu
[16:49] <LaserJock> they aren't software bugs
[16:50] <intellectronica> couldn't you simply file them on ubuntu, and not on the product?
[16:50] <LaserJock> bug #204895 is an example
[16:50] <ubotu> Launchpad bug 204895 in python-pmw "Packages failed archive rebuild test possibly due to python-central transition" [Undecided,In progress] https://launchpad.net/bugs/204895 - Assigned to Scott Kitterman (kitterman)
[16:50] <LaserJock> intellectronica: no, because we are keeping track of the bugs that way
[16:51] <LaserJock> look at the "Also Notified" section of that bug
[16:51] <LaserJock> and you'll see the problem
[16:51] <LaserJock> none of those people can "opt-out" of getting emails
[16:51] <intellectronica> i see what you mean
[16:52] <intellectronica> how common are such bugs?
[16:53] <LaserJock> they are fairly common towards the end of a release
[16:53] <intellectronica> if i were an upstream maintainer, uninterested in ubuntu development, i'd have simply filtered out bugs for ubuntu
[16:53] <intellectronica> did you explain to the complaining upstream maintainers that they can do that?
[16:53] <LaserJock> I can think of at least 4-5 such bugs we've done in the last month
[16:53] <LaserJock> were it was a problem
[16:54] <LaserJock> the small ones are usually fine, like say <5 tasks
[16:54] <intellectronica> that's an interesting problem. i think we should really have more discussion about this, with more opinions
[16:54] <LaserJock> well, most people don't filter mail really
[16:54] <intellectronica> flame wars, even ;)
[16:54] <LaserJock> really?
[16:55] <intellectronica> LaserJock: would you mind writing about it to the users-list to make sure that it gets covered
[16:55] <intellectronica> ?
[16:55] <LaserJock> I just can't imagine it being that big of a deal
[16:55] <intellectronica> i can also write myself if you don't have the time
[16:55] <LaserJock> if Launchpad can get you into the mess, surely it can get you out ;-)
[16:55] <intellectronica> no, i was just joking about the flame wars. but i think it will be really interesting to get the opinion of more people
[16:56] <LaserJock> sure
[16:56] <LaserJock> it's for sure a corner case
[16:56] <LaserJock> but one that is pretty important to Ubuntu developers
[16:57] <LaserJock> I've not seen complaints from upstreams like I have for this
[16:57] <intellectronica> yeah, i can understand how annoying this can end up being for them
[16:58] <intellectronica> anyway, i should go back to work. will you write about this to the list?
[16:58] <LaserJock> sure
[16:59] <intellectronica> cool. thanks for bringing this up
[16:59] <LaserJock> thanks for chatting about it :-)
[17:21] <ubotu> New bug: #211855 in malone "Release targets are not deleted when changing the affected project" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/211855
[17:32] <LaserJock> intellectronica: ok, massive email sent
[17:32] <LaserJock> now I'm off to work
[17:32] <intellectronica> LaserJock: excellent. thanks a lot
[19:34] <aVirulence> and once more, I return with a question about documentation. :-) I'm trying to download two of the language files, however, last week it took a night before the links got send me. Is there any way to speed this up? We'd like to do a release later tonight/early tomorrow :-)
[19:35] <kiko> aVirulence, it shouldn't be so slow this week -- the problem last week was a few massive OOO exports.
[19:36] <aVirulence> kiko, ok. thanks 
[19:58] <aVirulence> kiko, can you give me an educated guess about how long it will take?
[19:59] <kiko> aVirulence, hmmm, well, carlos, danilo or jtv could, but as you see, they are all left and I think flying home by now :-/
[19:59] <aVirulence> aah, too bad. 
[20:00] <aVirulence> why is it it taking so long anyway? is it being generated instead of being permanently on the server?
[20:01] <aVirulence> (just got the translation btw ;-))
[20:03] <aVirulence> oh, I didn't mean that as rude as it sounds, I just mean, why is there a delay?
[20:08] <LaserJock> aVirulence: I'm guessing there is a queue, and I do think they have to be generated, though I don't know for sure
[20:12] <kiko> aVirulence, it's mostly because there's a queue, as LaserJock says
[20:13] <aVirulence> kiko, thanks again
[20:13] <aVirulence> I still think it's a fantastic system, and it's great to see that people just start translating your app
[20:14] <kiko> aVirulence, they do -- it's really wonderfully weird
[20:18] <aVirulence> kiko, the best is still: I love danish :-) I'm now taking danish screenshots for the documentation
[20:38] <rockstar_> I'd like to move a project from sourceforge cvs to launchpad.  Are there any tools that could help me preserver the CVS history of the project?
[20:38] <mc__> Hello im trying to register an OpenPGP Key with launchpad. But when I enter the fingerprint I alway get this error. http://rafb.net/p/Gs7oYM36.html Of course i already sent the key a hundred times.
[20:39] <rockstar_> mc__, how long ago did you do it?
[20:39] <mc__> rockstar_: 2 days
[20:39] <rockstar_> mc__, you have the key id?
[20:39] <rockstar_> Let me see if I can grab it.
[20:40] <mc__> I'm not sure what the key ID is. Is it this: 1024D/CAC60618 ?
[20:41] <rockstar_> mc__, I don't show it on any of my keyservers.
[20:41] <rockstar_> Can you do `gpg --keyserver keyserver.ubuntu.com --send-keys CAC60618`
[20:45] <mc__> done
[20:45] <rockstar_> Just got it off the keyserver.  You should be able to put the fingerprint in now.
[20:45] <ubotu> New bug: #211941 in launchpad "Doesn't update the status and importance or archived bugs in Debian" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/211941
[20:46] <mc__> rockstar_: yeah, it worked
[20:46] <mc__> How long should the email take to reach me?
[20:47] <rockstar_> I don't know.  Probably not more than an hour.
[20:49] <mc__> thank you!
[20:54] <rockstar_> No prob
[20:54] <fta_> "Build started not available  on an unknown build machine"
[21:04] <bimberi> rockstar_: https://help.launchpad.net/VcsImports
[21:05] <bimberi> rockstar_: although I'm not sure if it imports the full history
[21:07] <LaserJock> rockstar_: https://launchpad.net/bzr-cvsps-import
[21:08] <LaserJock> that's what Launchpad uses, I believe to do CVS imports. It does get the history
[21:15] <ubotu> New bug: #211951 in launchpad "Blogger user name is hex code" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/211951
[21:16] <rockstar_> bimberi, actually, I'm just about done with my own setup.  I think I can probably get this into a script that might make it easy later on.
[21:18] <rockstar_> Although apparently I could have had the launchpad team take care of it...
[21:19] <bimberi> rockstar_: yes, but missed out on the learning :)
[21:37] <DOLPHIN_> wazup, guys =)
[21:38] <DOLPHIN_> anybody here?
[21:40] <LaserJock> 123 people apparently
[21:41] <DOLPHIN_> I saw
[21:44] <DOLPHIN_> Request accepted. Please note that requests usually take from 4 to 6 weeks to deliver, depending on the country of shipping.
[21:45] <DOLPHIN_> Good =)
[21:56] <directhex> question. would it be possible to offer Debian as a suite for PPA builds? it could be enormously useful for ubuntu/debian packaging teams. in theory
[22:04] <stdin> directhex: bug 188564
[22:04] <ubotu> Launchpad bug 188564 in soyuz "Build also packages for Debian in PPA's" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/188564
[22:05] <directhex> i should probably feel reassured that i'm not going mad, then
[22:31] <ubotu> New bug: #211974 in soyuz "slave-scanner shouldn't block on chroot extraction" [Undecided,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/211974
[22:55] <nxvl> hi
[22:55] <nxvl> i have a problem with launchpad layout
[22:56] <nxvl> is't the menu and content fonts supposed to be the same size?
[22:56] <nxvl> i see content font bigger that menu one
[22:56] <nxvl> than*
[23:01] <kiko> nxvl, I think it's slightly smaller
[23:02] <nxvl> here is really big
[23:02] <nxvl> it should be a problem with my browser
[23:02] <nxvl> i will check
[23:37] <stgraber> I know it's the weekend and probably nobody is around at this time but could someone kill a remaining bzr process on LP ?
[23:37] <stgraber> Unable to obtain lock lp--1228234580:///lock
[23:37] <stgraber> held by stgraber@bazaar.launchpad.net on host vostok [process #7856]
[23:37] <stgraber> locked 121 hours, 4 minutes ago
[23:38] <Fujitsu> stgraber: bzr break-lock
[23:38] <Fujitsu> That's one of your processes.
[23:40] <stgraber> Fujitsu: same result after a : bzr break-lock
[23:41] <spiv> stgraber: you may need to do it several times.
[23:42] <spiv> Depends on how many times you tried to use the branch while it is locked.
[23:43] <spiv> There's a bug filed somewhere about this.
[23:45] <stgraber> what's weird is that I get this message after entering my SSH key ... shouldn't it be displayed before ?
[23:45] <stgraber> I ran bzr break-lock a good hundred of time now and that doesn't seem to hep
[23:45] <stgraber> *help
[23:46] <stgraber> I'm downloading the branch again and try to then push 
[23:46] <Fujitsu> stgraber: How can it see the lock before you've authenticated yourself?
[23:47] <stgraber> http://ubuntu.pastebin.com/m39af9cb
[23:53] <spiv> stgraber: the lock is on the server
[23:59] <stgraber> spiv: so what can I do as the lock is serverside and I don't seem to have a way to remove it ?