[00:00] <slipttees> after update hardy, gdm don't start
[00:00] <alex_mayorga> h3sp4wn, is there a command line way? once that blue menu comes up my keyboard interactions do not reflect on the screen :(
[00:00] <Jordan_U> slipttees, Does X start?
[00:01] <slipttees> yes
[00:01] <slipttees> gdm broken :S
[00:01] <alex_mayorga> I'll try to do it "blindly" if there's no other way
[00:01] <h3sp4wn> alex_mayorga: There is tons of ways
[00:01] <Jordan_U> alex_mayorga, What are you trying to do?
[00:01] <rbanffy> Gilou: I use it with mergedfb under gutsy
[00:01] <h3sp4wn> rbanffy: mergedfb is no more for everybody
[00:01] <slipttees> Jordan_U: Login screen
[00:01] <alex_mayorga> Jordan_U get my video back
[00:02] <rbanffy> h3sp4wn: I know, but all I want is to use the two screens
[00:02] <Jordan_U> alex_mayorga, Can you ssh in?
[00:02] <alex_mayorga> Jordan_U, guide
[00:03] <h3sp4wn> rbanffy: I went through the same annoying stuff a few months ago when the only box I had I needed 2 screens on
[00:03] <Jordan_U> alex_mayorga, Please be more clear.
[00:03] <h3sp4wn> rbanffy: Hopefully its a bit better now
[00:04] <ender> Jordan_U: found my solution...http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=738216&highlight=b43
[00:04] <ender> thanks
[00:04] <h3sp4wn> alex_mayorga: What you you tried ?
[00:05] <alex_mayorga> Jordan_U Bug #146706
[00:05] <ubotu> Launchpad bug 146706 in xserver-xorg-video-nv "[Hardy alpha 6] Live cd graphics fail with nvidia geforce4 440 go " [High,Triaged] https://launchpad.net/bugs/146706
[00:05] <gluer> fixed my nvidia res, now my cpu is at 100% utilization, this all happened after the updates..
[00:06] <alex_mayorga> mine is not exactly a live CD now, because I've used the command line to get updated to the latest hardy updates, but the video card still spits flashing characters in colours
[00:07] <gluer> anyone getting 100% cpu after updates from yesterday?
[00:07] <h3sp4wn> Can anyone enlighten me as to where pand has gone (I would expect it to be in bluez-utils or so)
[00:07] <h3sp4wn> alex_mayorga: Why not try noveau (wrong spelling)
[00:08] <HorizonXP> hey, can someone help me with bind9 and dns?
[00:08] <HorizonXP> right now I have it set up to do DNS caching, and it works pretty well
[00:08] <slipttees> Jordan_U: check my gdm log
[00:08] <slipttees> http://pastebin.ca/970292
[00:08] <beshy> gluer: had that with compiz:>
[00:08] <alex_mayorga> h3sp4wn, let me know when you figure out bluetooth PAN or better yet put in the wiki
[00:08] <alex_mayorga> h3sp4wn, how to try noveau?
[00:08] <HorizonXP> however, I think there's a problem where I can't connect to my campus' wireless authentication page, at least not for a while
[00:08] <AmyRose> So Hardy has been delayed by three months, eh? =D
[00:09] <HorizonXP> AmyRose: April Fool's!
[00:09] <AmyRose> HorizonXP: Oh, only a month and a half, right?
[00:09] <h3sp4wn> alex_mayorga: I guess I would probably just forcibly remove xserver-xorg-video-nv
[00:09] <AmyRose> :D
[00:09] <HorizonXP> !hardy
[00:09] <ubotu> Hardy Heron is the code name for the next release of Ubuntu (8.04-LTS), due April 24, 2008 - For more info, see: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/HardyHeron - CONSIDER IT TO BE BETA SOFTWARE - Discussion and support in #ubuntu+1, NOT #ubuntu
[00:10] <HorizonXP> only 21 days
[00:10] <AmyRose> HorizonXP: That's impossible!
[00:10] <alex_mayorga> h3sp4wn, let me try that
[00:10]  * AmyRose laughs
[00:10] <HorizonXP> how?
[00:10] <slipttees> my gdm don't work
[00:10]  * AmyRose has been kidding all along
[00:10] <HorizonXP> ...
[00:10] <slipttees> please, i need help in log's http://pastebin.ca/970292
[00:10]  * HorizonXP doesn't process sarcasm through the pipes
[00:10] <HorizonXP> lol
[00:11] <alex_mayorga> h3sp4wn, what to do after the removal?
[00:11] <h3sp4wn> Just try - xinit
[00:13] <h3sp4wn> Can you not use nvidia-glx-legacy either ?
[00:13] <alex_mayorga> h3sp4wn, that removal took xserver-xorg-video-all with it, that can't be good, right
[00:14] <h3sp4wn> alex_mayorga: That doesn't matter really
[00:14] <h3sp4wn> that package doesn't actually contain anything
[00:14] <h3sp4wn> Just put it back when you know xserver-xorg-video-nv is fixed also
[00:15] <alex_mayorga> OK
[00:15] <rbanffy> h3sp4wn: Any idea on how can I diagnose the monitor detection problem?
[00:15] <alex_mayorga> so after the removal, what command to run?
[00:15] <h3sp4wn> xinit
[00:15] <alex_mayorga> or I just ctrl+bksp+alt?
[00:16] <h3sp4wn> rbanffy: Have you read about xrandr 1.2 ?
[00:16] <rbanffy> No. What is it?
[00:16] <alex_mayorga> h3sp4wn: "Server already active for display 0"
[00:17] <rbanffy> h3sp4wn: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/XRandR ?
[00:17] <Roey> h3sp4wn:  heya
[00:18] <Roey> h3sp4wn:  can you come into #ubuntu-devel for a second?
[00:18] <Roey> h3sp4wn:  thanks
[00:20] <slipttees> wtf ? http://pastebin.ca/970292 gdm don't work
[00:20] <slipttees> please.. :-(
[00:25] <bod_> hey guys, winehq.com doesnt have any idea how to install wine in hardy, so shall i just rab it from repos?
[00:26] <RAOF> bod_: Yes.
[00:26] <slipttees> bod_: universe have last hardy
[00:26] <bod_> ok, cheers guys
[00:28] <alex_mayorga> h3sp4wn, looks like I'm running a rather strange config
[00:28] <lamalex> pycentral broken for anyone else?
[00:28] <lamalex> http://www.paste2.org/p/18741
[00:29] <bhsx> bod_ or, if you're into small-time piracy.... you could go to youtorrent.com or TPB and find crossover office 6.2
[00:29] <bhsx> not that i condone that sort of thing, but i have cx6.2 (legally) and it works great in hardy
[00:29] <bhsx> i just have it for Office (for the wife) and photoshop (for the kid)
[00:29] <bod_> bhsx, sorry, how does that relate to my question?
[00:30] <bod_> gimp is god
[00:30] <bhsx> crossover is wine
[00:30] <bod_> oh, ok ty
[00:30] <bhsx> codeweavers crossover office
[00:30] <bod_> no, crossover is a commercial version of pretty much the same thin
[00:30] <nemo> bod_: gimp has some capabilities photoshop doesn't :)
[00:30] <nemo> bod_: praise the plugin community.
[00:30] <Zambezi> Virtualbox won't work here. It says there's no kernelmodule installed. Any ideas when the new arrives?
[00:30] <nemo> bod_: liquid rescale for example.
[00:30] <bhsx> bod_: correct
[00:30] <bod_> and gimp can install photoshop plugins
[00:31] <bhsx> you asked how to install wine...
[00:31] <bod_> winecfg or wine cf  ??
[00:31] <bod_> cf=cfg
[00:31] <nemo> bod_: really? neat. 'course. I'd have to get them running under linux first I imagine.
[00:31] <bhsx> i'm not getting into a gimp vs PS ...
[00:31] <nemo> bod_: or are photoshop plugins also written in scripting languages?
[00:31] <bod_> nemo, no, its an exe that you install through wine onto gimp which allows you to use PS pluins,.,. oogle it
[00:32]  * bod_ apologizes for his dodgy 'g' key
[00:34] <Luckrider> what is the command for finding out usb devices that are connected
[00:34] <Luckrider> ?
[00:34] <h3sp4wn> alex_mayorga: pkill Xorg
[00:34] <jerichokb> Luckrider: lsusb
[00:34] <h3sp4wn> alex_mayorga: Then run - xinit again
[00:34] <Luckrider> thanks
[00:35] <h3sp4wn> rbanffy: Yeah thats it I cannot find much about how it relates to SiS though
[00:35] <slipttees> theme old human is R0X :D
[00:35] <slipttees> hardy wont have it :-(
[00:35] <h3sp4wn> Roey: For what reason
[00:36] <rbanffy> h3sp4wn: I really would like to help making the official way work on my hardware...
[00:37] <h3sp4wn> rbanffy: The thing is even for intel the applications are still catching up
[00:37] <rbanffy> h3sp4wn: Is there any place I can report my problem so X folks (those not hanging around IRC, that is) can have a look at it?
[00:37] <Gnine> murrine is way cooler , slipttees
[00:37] <rbanffy> h3sp4wn: I can run tests and report results back ;-)
[00:37] <slipttees> humm
[00:38] <h3sp4wn> rbanffy: The same issue exists for pretty much all the free drivers
[00:38] <rbanffy> h3sp4wn: :-(
[00:38] <slipttees> Gnine: i like old human theme :D
[00:38] <rbanffy> h3sp4wn: ubuntu+2, perhaps? ;-)
[00:38] <slipttees> Gnine: i love it :D
[00:39] <h3sp4wn> rbanffy: Have you tried using xrandr to sort it out
[00:39] <rbanffy> h3sp4wn: I will try to figure it out.
[00:39] <h3sp4wn> rbanffy: I don't even know how much of the required stuff is implimented
[00:39] <bod_> oh guys, while im here, i have a small problem with my system clock since the DST a few nihts back,.,. what time is it GMT +0   ??
[00:40] <h3sp4wn> GMT is 23:40
[00:40] <jaffarkelshac> when you type (dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg)is there any graphics related questions at all, i only get keyboared related questions when i want to fix my graphic res problem, gutsy had more
[00:41] <h3sp4wn> rbanffy: http://wiki.debian.org/XStrikeForce/HowToRandR12
[00:41] <Exilant> jaffarkelshac: it's now mostly autodetect
[00:41] <Gnine> !xorg
[00:41] <ubotu> The X Window System is the part of your system that's responsible for graphical output. To restart your X, type « sudo /etc/init.d/?dm restart » in a console - To fix screen resolution or other X problems: http://help.ubuntu.com/community/FixVideoResolutionHowto
[00:41] <jaffarkelshac> well that is not workin Exilant its not autodecting anything
[00:42] <Exilant> jaffarkelshac: it seems to read some things from the xorg.conf
[00:42] <rbanffy> h3sp4wn: Thanks
[00:43] <Exilant> but i'm not really sure how that all works now
[00:43] <jaffarkelshac> my num pad on my keyboard now moves my mouse, very frustrating i cant seem to fix it
[00:43] <h3sp4wn> It still uses xorg.conf if its present
[00:44] <jaffarkelshac> just fixed the mouse key thing, i seem to have ticked mouse keys under keyboard ha, took me all day to find it
[00:44] <Exilant> but ignores parts of it
[00:44] <Exilant> or most, actually
[00:44] <h3sp4wn> It doesn't
[00:44] <Exilant> yay, new restricted modules
[00:44] <Exilant> it does
[00:45] <h3sp4wn> You can override most of the stupid stuff anyway
[00:45] <Exilant> for example, write driver=fglrx in it, without restricted modules :)
[00:45] <Exilant> it will proceed, unlike previous versions
[00:45] <h3sp4wn> (e.g the DPI being hardcoded at 96x96 in a few places)
[00:46] <Exilant> i tried activating shm for my touchpad, those settings seem to get ignored completely
[00:47] <h3sp4wn> I don't diagree that its more picky about what you can do
[00:47] <h3sp4wn> (As far as I can see there is only one way to do what I needed)
[00:47] <Gilou> I think I should give up learning CS ...
[00:47] <Gilou> I just rebooted once leaving ACPI on
[00:47] <Gilou> and it booted..
[00:48] <spiderfire> CS?
[00:48] <Gilou> Computer Science
[00:48] <Exilant> h3sp4wn: i'm not really familiar, maybe you're right and it reads everything and tries it at least, and defaults if it fails
[00:50] <h3sp4wn> Well I had to use "Ignore EDID" "1"
[00:50] <h3sp4wn> (never needed that before) so - DisplaySize     245 185 could work
[00:51] <agroker_> I have problems with configuring wifi under ndiswrapper, is there any howto?
[00:51]  * r0bby googles 
[00:52] <justdave_> My sound quit working via ALSA after yesterday's kernel upgrade in hardy.  If I pick the device directly instead of via ALSA in the Sounds control panel the Test button works, but normal sound playback from elsewhere still doesn't.  Anyone know where I should look to troubleshoot?
[00:52] <Gnine> !ndiswrapper
[00:52] <ubotu> Wireless documentation can be found at https://help.ubuntu.com/community/WifiDocs
[00:52] <agroker_> I mostly interested in editing /etc/network/interfaces file (it seems to be screwed)
[00:52] <AmyRose> justdave_: I've quit on ALSA... I prefer OSS these days since it's GPLed now
[00:54] <justdave_> AmyRose: sounds good enough for me, how do I make it switch?
[00:54] <AmyRose> justdave_: http://www.opensound.com/download.cgi
[00:55] <h3sp4wn> AmyRose: Its getting better by the day as well
[00:55] <AmyRose> h3sp4wn: OSS or ALSA?
[00:55] <h3sp4wn> OSS
[00:55] <justdave_> AmyRose: isn't it installed already?  just have to poke a config somewhere to tell it to use it?
[00:55] <justdave_> It's listed as a choice in the Sound set up, but it doesn't seem to work either if I pick it
[00:56] <h3sp4wn> The old OSS and OSS4 are 2 very different things
[00:56] <crimsun> no, it's a bit more complicated to set up the Debian/Ubuntu way
[00:57]  * r0bby throws his external monitor out the window 
[00:57] <crimsun> however, the bits are all there.  You need to reconfigure linux-sound-base to use OSS
[00:57] <crimsun> I'll just push my actual source package upstream so they can stop clobbering our infrastructure
[00:57] <Gnine> optional: yes , recommended: not
[00:59] <h3sp4wn> crimsun: So you have rewritten that build system completely ?
[00:59] <crimsun> h3sp4wn: I've properly Debianised it, yes
[00:59] <crimsun> these alienised debs are pretty gruesome
[00:59] <r0bby> Please don't give me a factoid; have any of you had any luck in getting the dell inspiron 6000 to use dual heads?
[01:00] <r0bby> Of course i'm using Hardy
[01:02] <Gnine> !factoid
[01:02] <ubotu> I am ubotu, all-knowing infobot. You can browse my brain at http://ubotu.ubuntu-nl.org/factoids.cgi - Usage info: http://wiki.ubuntu.com/UbuntuBots
[01:02]  * r0bby smacks Gnine 
[01:03] <r0bby> I was asking if anybody had any luck, as in personal experience
[01:03] <DaCapn_> Has anyone else had trouble getting 8.04 (beta) recognize their keyboard? I have 3 keyboards which I have tried in different combinations & ports but the only thing I've ever been able to do with them is (sometimes) ctrl+alt+del to reboot from the install menu (I can't select install, arrow keys & enter do nothing).
[01:03] <justdave_> ok, I rebooted back into the old kernel and everything works
[01:04] <r0bby> mine works great :)
[01:05] <DaCapn_> All of these keyboard worked fine with the 7.10 install disc, by the way.
[01:06] <Gnine> try different install disk
[01:06] <bhsx>  ok, it's been years since i've done this... so i've forgotten how and google is not being very nice... how do i start a second X-session on F8 again?  i remember it has something to do with ':01' appended or somesuch...
[01:06] <bhsx> i'm trying to start a full X-session over ssh in F8
[01:09] <SpudDogg> Does anyone know how to get WPA working with an ipw3945?  I keep getting this error in /var/log/syslog:   [  321.057422] wlan0 (WE) : Wireless Event too big (320) and no matter what I try, I cannot connect to my network
[01:10] <AmyRose> !factoid | r0bby
[01:10] <ubotu> r0bby: I am ubotu, all-knowing infobot. You can browse my brain at http://ubotu.ubuntu-nl.org/factoids.cgi - Usage info: http://wiki.ubuntu.com/UbuntuBots
[01:10] <AmyRose> :)
[01:10] <r0bby> AmyRose: no fair! I can't hit a woman!
[01:11] <m1r> bhsx : startx -- :1
[01:11] <bhsx> SpudDogg: yes, what are you using to connect?
[01:11] <AmyRose> r0bby: :D
[01:11] <h3sp4wn> crimsun: Agreed - Is there anywhere the plans for this are layed out (Is there a non hacky way to get pulseaudio working with the new api)
[01:11]  * Gnine smacks AmyRose 
[01:11] <bhsx> m1r: yeah, that doesn't work... that's the one i remember
[01:11] <SpudDogg> bhsx:  intel 3945 abg
[01:11] <SpudDogg> network manager
[01:11]  * AmyRose beats Gnine senseless with a 50 lb Unix manual
[01:11] <bhsx> SpudDogg: i mean what app... oh
[01:11] <bhsx> do this first...  'sudo apt-get install wifi-radar'
[01:11] <Gnine> hefty
[01:12] <m1r> bhsx bhsx i just started iit that way
[01:12] <bhsx> SpudDogg: did you do a dist-upgrade?  or are you pretty much still working from the beta cd?
[01:12] <crimsun> h3sp4wn: TB plans to remain with ALSA, because it remains maintained in-kernel.
[01:12] <AmyRose> ALSA is a piece of junk though
[01:12] <bhsx> m1r: from a running x session?
[01:12] <SpudDogg> bhsx: wifi-radar done.  i installed from a cd, but have done all the updates a few times a day
[01:13] <crimsun> AmyRose: err, I wouldn't call it a piece of junk.  Difficult to use, yes.
[01:13] <m1r> on tty 3
[01:13] <bhsx> SpudDogg: run wifi-radar to add your passwords/keys
[01:13] <crimsun> AmyRose: there are parts that are extremely nice, and there are parts that are extremely not-nice.
[01:13] <AmyRose> crimsun: What else would I call a driver that suddenly refused to work with my laptop's built-in AC97 when OSS v4 works fine with it?
[01:13] <crimsun> AmyRose: frankly I don't care what you call it.  You're free to call it whatever.
[01:14] <crimsun> On the other hand, there are those of us who really do care about the audio stack, and whatever can be done to make the backend transparent to the user is a bonus.
[01:14] <pen> What's good abotu wifi-radar?
[01:14] <r0bby> whoa
[01:14] <r0bby> http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=367261&highlight=dell+inspiron+6000+dual+head+Set+VBE+Mode+failed!
[01:14] <bhsx> m1r: thanks... i was skipping a space betwee -- and :
[01:14] <bhsx> i kept using startx --:1
[01:14] <m1r> ;)
[01:14] <bhsx> silly me, bad memory
[01:14] <r0bby> AmyRose: would you mind if i smack you?
[01:14]  * AmyRose just wonders why many people say the OSS API is deprecated...
[01:15] <r0bby> smacked*
[01:15] <bhsx> but like i said, it's been YEARS since i've tried that
[01:15] <r0bby> I'm being nice here :)
[01:15]  * AmyRose smacks r0bby with a giant hammer
[01:15] <m1r> gn all
[01:15] <bhsx> later
[01:15] <AmyRose> Anyone who knows who the Amy Rose I'm named after is will get that one :D
[01:15]  * r0bby can't hit back...oh screw it *smacks AmyRose* 
[01:15] <PaulM> spuddog: for what it's worth, my 3945abg is working, but with a problem earlier
[01:16]  * r0bby runs FAST V
[01:16] <Gnine> i use ac97 with alsa..
[01:16] <crimsun> h3sp4wn: that said, I'll be maintaining a switchable system so users can opt-in to whichever backend in Linux [out of OSSv4 and ALSA] that they want
[01:16] <h3sp4wn> crimsun: I ran out of patience with ice1712/ice1724 it was just never right
[01:17] <SpudDogg> bhsx:  that's done, and it says connected but no ip address
[01:17] <crimsun> I prefer to make things work instead of getting involved in the propaganda.  Anyhoo, it's dinner time.
[01:18] <mc-george> crimsun: I tried the live cd, still have the problem
[01:18] <bhsx> SpudDogg: bah...  k, i know this is lame... but now that wifi-radar is set, try a reboot (i know, i know, lame)
[01:18] <Gnine> i also have pulseaudio running the show on top of alsa .. so it seems your just being xtremely prejudicial , AmyRose
[01:18] <bhsx> SpudDogg: you on a thinkpad?
[01:18] <crimsun> mc-george: thanks.  Please file a bug, and attach the alsa-info.sh URL when using the latest daily-live cd
[01:18] <SpudDogg> bhsx:  no, im on a toshiba
[01:18] <bhsx> ah ok
[01:19] <bhsx> i did have some issues with my iwl3945 at first too....
[01:19] <mc-george> crimsun: just a note that its much less noticeable, almost tolerable, so I'm not sure if I should make a bug
[01:19] <SpudDogg> bhsx:  hey, wifi-radar also says that my network is 802.11B, but it is definately G
[01:19] <PaulM> bhsx: you on a thinkpad? I had a screwy problem earlier today where it went to sleep and wouldn't re-associate for th elife of me
[01:19] <SpudDogg> bhsx:  anyway, rebooting
[01:19] <bhsx> but it seemed to fix itself....    for me nm-applet sucked... i had to use W-R til things seemed to fix themselves...
[01:19] <AmyRose> Gnine: Pulseaudio is an abstraction layer for GNOME. It is not a driver.
[01:19] <Gnine> and..?
[01:20] <bhsx> SpudDogg: GL
[01:20] <PaulM> yeah... nm-applet seems like it's somewhat less than ideally designed
[01:20] <bhsx> PaulM: that hasn't happened to me, sorry
[01:20] <bhsx> i'm on a t60
[01:20] <AmyRose> Gnine: I don't use GNOME, and even if I did, PulseAudio isn't going to make ALSA work with my laptop again...
[01:20] <PaulM> I'm on an x61... love the machine, love linux on it, but teh little things are driving me batty
[01:21] <Gnine> good thing there are options so you can do your thing there
[01:21] <bhsx> it took me a while to get used to linux on it, simply because of all the function keys that i hadn't used before, but found i really needed to use them for tweaking my environment
[01:21] <bhsx> but i'm loving hardy
[01:21] <PaulM> yeah. I've got a really nice set of keys set up for use with compiz
[01:22] <PaulM> me one largest complaint so far
[01:22] <AmyRose> Gnine: Also, in the four years I've been using Linux as my only OS, ALSA's given me a LOT of problems, from API compatibility issues to buggy drivers to dmix not working properly.
[01:22] <bhsx> ok, i got the whole 'startx -- :1' thing down.... now how do i accomplish that through an SSH session???
[01:22] <PaulM> is that it's well-nigh impossible to un-link the hotkey+dragtomove from the hotkey+openwindowmenu
[01:22] <Gnine> i dont have issues..
[01:23] <h3sp4wn> AmyRose: It also gave me problems but I think if I had bought RME cards then I would have been fine
[01:23] <AmyRose> Gnine: Does your experience make my problems nonexistent? No.
[01:23] <bhsx> do i have to do something like 'ssh me@box' then do 'startx -- 192.168.1.135 :1'?  nope... any ideas?
[01:23] <AmyRose> Gnine: So why do you keep treating me that way?
[01:23]  * Gnine showers AmyRose with.. hmm.. roses
[01:24] <h3sp4wn> I have got an emu 0404 now that should work actually with Alsa wonder what that is like
[01:24] <AmyRose> Gnine: I'm not saying it's impossible to not have a single problem with ALSA, just that my experiences with it are why I have the negative opinion of it that I have, not because I'm being prejudicial
[01:25] <Gnine> duly noted
[01:25] <r0bby> YES!
[01:25] <r0bby> i got it!
[01:26] <r0bby> :)
[01:26] <chicobo329> hey there! I got a video problem with my laptop
[01:26]  * r0bby dances
[01:26] <jaffarkelshac> i think the new kernel update messed with my lcd brightness, i cant adjust it now. could not in gutsy too
[01:26] <chicobo329> I have an Nvidia GeForce 6150, and even though I can enable it, it disables after restart and Ubuntu enters low graphics mode
[01:27] <PaulM> jaffarkelshac: what are you running? the newest update actually FIXED mine
[01:27] <chicobo329> when I test my monitor settings (it's the Pavilion M40 display), it shows just fine
[01:27] <chicobo329> but starting Ubuntu forces me into 800x600 with no option anywhere to change the monitor type
[01:27] <AmyRose> Gnine: OK
[01:29] <chicobo329> is there a compatibility issue with my graphics card?
[01:29] <jaffarkelshac> what, PaulM it messed up mine. i am running amilo li1705
[01:29] <Meshezabeel> the Braid screensaver is always freezing on me, can anyone else confirm this?
[01:29] <SpudDogg> bhsx:  ok, I rebooted and played around some more.  Here is the output when I run wifi-radar and try to connect to my network:  http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/62087/
[01:30] <PaulM> jaffarkelshac: hrm. wish I could help ya... :/ don't know what it did... is it a keybinding problem, or an inherent system rpoblem?
[01:30] <SpudDogg> bhsx:  lines 3 and 21 I think are important
[01:30] <Meshezabeel> Braid is one of the default screen savers that comes with hardy
[01:31] <h3sp4wn> AmyRose: Should get even better now Sun is paying for its development (for gnome anyway)
[01:31] <Gnine> you got a link for that statement, h3sp4wn
[01:32] <jaffarkelshac> i think its s system problem PaulM, the applet bright thing does not work either
[01:32] <PaulM> hmm
[01:32] <jaffarkelshac> i will boot the older kernel to be sure
[01:32] <PaulM> in my case, the brightness problem was somewhat caused by keybindings, so it sounds like something new
[01:32] <PaulM> or different, at least
[01:33] <NW2190> Hi, i just installed Ubuntu Studio 8.04 beta on my comp, but it keeps freezing on startup after/during checking the file system... is there a way to bypassing that?
[01:33] <jaffarkelshac> before to adust brightness i had to do it whilst it was booting in grub
[01:33] <PaulM> ooh
[01:33] <slipttees> http://gnome-look.org/content/show.php/Clearlooks+-+Another+Human?content=31594 = very cool
[01:34] <Meshezabeel> NW2190, you sure it is freezing? Sometimes it might take a little while
[01:34] <PaulM> jaffarkelshac: so it sounds like you've never really had control over it in ubuntu? is it now resetting to dim when you get into the system?
[01:34] <Meshezabeel> jaffarkelshac, is this a laptop?
[01:35] <NW2190> ya, well it lets me type and stuff as if it is done.  It also said something along the lines of 'unexpected inconsistency'
[01:35] <h3sp4wn> Gnine: http://www.opensolaris.org/os/project/opensound/discussions/ - I think the exact quote is somewhere on the 4front site but I cannot find it either way Sun is paying for it
[01:36] <Meshezabeel> NW2190, if you can type, it is not frozen, find out what the exact error message says and let us know
[01:36] <Gnine> ty
[01:36] <NW2190> ok, I'll go try it again without -quiet and all that.
[01:36] <Gnine> well.. you are right.. i dont see such info
[01:37] <Meshezabeel> PaulM, jaffarkelshac, not sure what problem this is, but when I have my power management set to dim screen after a minute, it only dims partially, then when I move my mouse or keyboard it dims completely, I then have to use Fn+F6 to increase it manually.
[01:37] <shadowhywind> hay all, ever since the april fools (login screen) prank. I can't change the login back to what I had. its not defaulting to a blue background
[01:37] <PaulM> Meshezabeel: that's very odd. never seen that before
[01:38] <a1fa> so when is stable due?
[01:38] <chicobo329> 21 days I think
[01:38] <Meshezabeel> shadowhywind, there was an april fools login screen???
[01:38] <Meshezabeel> alfa, it tells you on the main ubuntu page
[01:38] <PaulM> meh, if it's that soon, there's still a bunch of things borked for me :/
[01:38] <Dr_willis> You missed the PORN login screen? :)
[01:38] <shadowhywind> Meshezabeel: yah, changed to a unicorn background picture
[01:38] <a1fa> IT SURE DOES
[01:38] <a1fa> :p
[01:39] <Meshezabeel> a1fa, there is a countdown on there
[01:39] <a1fa> sorry
[01:39] <Gnine> login screen is not blue either
[01:39] <a1fa> i missed it
[01:39] <Meshezabeel> a1fa, no problem ;)
[01:39] <chicobo329> anybody want to tackle my Nvidia problem?
[01:39] <a1fa> i am downloading beta of xubuntu
[01:39] <Meshezabeel> shadowhywind, cool, I never saw it, must not have updated that day
[01:39] <shadowhywind> I do have a pic if you want to see
[01:40] <Meshezabeel> chicobo329, sorry, I don't know how to solve it, seems to complex of a problem for me
[01:40] <Meshezabeel> shadowhywind, sure
[01:40] <shadowhywind> Dr_willis: so any ideas on how to change the login? tried KDM
[01:40] <chicobo329> is there any way I can at least get the Screens and Monitors option back up? It's missing from the menus up top
[01:40] <shadowhywind> anyone know of a photo bucket, like pastebin?
[01:41] <Meshezabeel> shadowhywind, http://img146.imageshack.us/my.php?image=schermata1pq5.png
[01:41] <Meshezabeel> shadowhywind, found it ;)
[01:41] <shadowhywind> nice
[01:41] <Meshezabeel> nice picture
[01:42] <shadowhywind> it is, other then I am hoping thats just a bad line on the back leg...
[01:42] <Meshezabeel> hmmm
[01:43] <Gnine> sckus
[01:44] <Meshezabeel> shadowhywind, weird, I am trying to look at how to change the login window, when I go to System->Administration->Login Window, it doesn't come up for me, can you open it?
[01:45] <Daisuke_Ido> i must say, i'm loving hardy so far...  except for the teensy little problems
[01:45] <lamalex> Daisuke_Ido: same
[01:45] <Gnine> it IS beta
[01:45] <lamalex> Everything outputs via my sound card/surround sound except rhythmbox
[01:46] <shadowhywind> running kubuntu actraully, But what i am looking to change is the theme, (kdm/gdm)
[01:46] <Daisuke_Ido> 1) wifi dies completely when i suspend/resume.  2) half the time when i resume, i have no keyboard or touchpad, so hard reboot there.  3) when it DOES work, i still have no sound upon resume
[01:46] <Gnine> if god knew how to program then we'd have faster progress
[01:46] <lamalex> god would have to be real then :P
[01:46] <Gnine> or something
[01:46] <Daisuke_Ido> Gnine, i have to differ with you on that.  have you ever noticed that the people who most fervently believe in god/intelligent design are the ones that look the least evolved?
[01:47] <crimsun> Daisuke_Ido: 1) probably need to regenerate the rules.  2) nfi.  3) where in the audio stack?  alsa?  pulseaudio?
[01:47] <Meshezabeel> lamalex, oh, he definitely is
[01:47] <Daisuke_Ido> just an observation
[01:47] <lamalex> *zing*
[01:47] <IdleOne> how do you explain easter then? huh huh
[01:47] <lamalex> Guys, this is pretty off-topic.
[01:47] <shadowhywind> brb'
[01:47] <lamalex> Sorry for egging it on, we can continue in #ubuntu-offtopic if we wish
[01:47] <Daisuke_Ido> crimsun, i can get sound back on by sudo modprobe -r snd_hda_intel && sudo modprobe snd_hda_intel
[01:47] <Gnine> Daisuke_Ido: i want god himself to program.. different bowl of soup
[01:48] <Meshezabeel> please don't offend lamalex anymore people
[01:48] <IdleOne> lamalex: actually no we cant because it would be o4o in -offtopic
[01:48] <lamalex> o4o?
[01:48] <DarkMageZ> Gnine, no need for god to program... we just need some real programmers to start working in assembly again.
[01:48] <IdleOne> !o4o
[01:48] <ubotu> Some things are inappropriate for #ubuntu+1. Controversial topics, which always turn into flame wars: war, race, religion, politics, gender, sexuality, drugs, questionable legal activities, suicide are not for here. Microsoft software in ##windows (Please note Freenode Policy)
[01:48] <lamalex> Meshezabeel: ?
[01:48] <lamalex> ah
[01:48] <Daisuke_Ido> DarkMageZ, optimization over ease of development.  i like
[01:48] <lamalex> I'm not offended by anything really
[01:49] <Meshezabeel> lamalex, sorry, you seemed to be offended by talk of God
[01:49] <slipttees> firefox beta5 hardy update ?
[01:49] <lamalex> Meshezabeel: nope
[01:49] <crimsun> slipttees: in progress.  Please be patient.
[01:49] <teamcobra> hey all
[01:49] <Meshezabeel> lamalex, oh well, lol :)
[01:49] <crimsun> geez, foaming at the mouth ;p
[01:49] <slipttees> crimsun: thx man :-)
[01:50] <lamalex> I enjoy talking about god, it's just not the point of this channel, I wanted to take it to -offtopic, but it's against the rules :)
[01:50] <Daisuke_Ido> crimsun, you said something about regenerating rules for network?
[01:50] <_derspankster> is this the hardy forum?
[01:50] <Pici> Actuall, its not really welcome in #ubuntu-offtopic either.
[01:50] <Pici> _derspankster: yes
[01:50] <DarkMageZ> take it to #ubuntu-offtopic4offtopic
[01:50] <_derspankster> couldn't tell. thought I was broke
[01:50] <lamalex> ah
[01:51] <crimsun> Daisuke_Ido: depends on the wifi chipset.
[01:51] <Daisuke_Ido> intel 4965
[01:51] <Daisuke_Ido> this is a dellbuntu :)  1420n
[01:52] <crimsun> Daisuke_Ido: ok, are you running -14.25?
[01:52] <crimsun> (linux-image)
[01:52] <Daisuke_Ido> ithat is a good question...  i just updated a few hours ago...  let me go find out
[01:52] <DarkMageZ> wtf @ the term dellbuntu... we don't call dells with windows on them delldows...
[01:53] <Gnine> the wonders of marketing
[01:53] <Meshezabeel> Daisuke_Ido, I have same chipset with no problems using basic hardy
[01:53] <Daisuke_Laptop> 24-14, but that's all i'm seeing
[01:54] <icanhasadmin> Why does it seem like there are 100 updates a day?
[01:54] <Gnine> you mean 8.04 home basic edition..
[01:54] <Daisuke_Laptop> icanhasadmin: because there are
[01:54] <icanhasadmin> :D and does anyone happen to know what version this new fglrx driver is?
[01:54] <_derspankster> anyone else noticing java broken on FF3 beta4?
[01:54] <crimsun> Daisuke_Laptop: `cat /proc/version_signature'
[01:54] <icanhasadmin> my old one is very well configured to not crash horribly and i'm hoping this doesn't kill it.
[01:55] <Daisuke_Laptop> -14.25
[01:55] <Daisuke_Laptop> so yeah, i'm up to date
[01:55] <crimsun> Daisuke_Laptop: ok, and is l-b-m installed?
[01:56] <Daisuke_Laptop> linux-backports-modules?
[01:56] <crimsun> [linux-backports-modules-$(uname -r)]
[01:56] <Meshezabeel> _derspankster, is that Final Fantasy 3?
[01:56] <Ava-> hey is compiz buggy for anyone else with their hardy install?
[01:56] <Daisuke_Laptop> should be able to install the hardy generic, correct?  (assuming it's a metapackage)
[01:56] <_derspankster> FurFox 3
[01:57] <Ava-> when my windows snap to top, the right upper corner bounces up and down non stop
[01:57] <PaulM> I turned off snapping a while ago, so I don't knwo
[01:57] <Meshezabeel> _derspankster, haven't had a problem with it, there is a problem with java apps and compiz though
[01:57] <Ava-> ;)
[01:57] <Daisuke_Laptop> Ava-: that's been happening since feisty
[01:57] <Daisuke_Laptop> nothing new :)
[01:57] <Ava-> oh really?
[01:57] <Ava-> :)
[01:57] <icanhasadmin> Ava-: describe buggy?
[01:57] <Ava-> ican: I did
[01:57] <Ava-> hehe
[01:58] <_derspankster> Meshezabeel:not running compiz
[01:58] <icanhasadmin> Ava-: and #compiz-fusion might be able to help you with anything specific?
[01:58] <Gnine> she did
[01:58] <icanhasadmin> oh iy see, lol i'm sorry
[01:58] <Ava-> hehehe
[01:58] <Ava-> that's ok
[01:58] <Ava-> :)
[01:58] <Gnine> youcanthaveadmin now
[01:58] <Daisuke_Laptop> crimsun: apparently they were not installed.
[01:58] <Ava-> i'll just the snapping
[01:58] <Meshezabeel> _derspankster, compiz runs by default, so are you sure it is not running?
[01:58] <crimsun> Daisuke_Laptop: they shouldn't be by default
[01:58] <Ava-> is that under beryl manager?
[01:58] <icanhasadmin> I have honestly never heard of that specific issue...
[01:58] <crimsun> Daisuke_Laptop: one needs to opt-in, because they're not well tested
[01:58] <icanhasadmin> Ava-: it would be in ccsm
[01:59] <Ava-> oh okay thank you much
[01:59] <_derspankster> I'm on my laptop and my poor SIS card can't handle compiz
[01:59] <Ava-> =(
[01:59] <Daisuke_Laptop> crimsun: installed now
[01:59] <icanhasadmin> _derspankster: what card?
[02:01] <Daisuke_Laptop> crimsun: thanks for the help, hopefully this helps some
[02:01] <_derspankster> I'll have to check
[02:02] <a1fa> 5 min left to download8.04 :P
[02:03] <MFen> anyone know how to shut off the internet? :-)
[02:03] <a1fa> i am going to try it on 233 mhz pc :P
[02:03] <MFen> this is a serious question
[02:03] <r0bby> hrm
[02:03] <r0bby> dual monitors work
[02:03] <h3sp4wn> MFen: Explosives in the right place ?
[02:03] <MFen> i don't have a wireless radio switch on my laptop (macbook pro) and i'd like to be able to shut off my wireless connection
[02:03] <MFen> doesn't seem to be a simple way to do that
[02:04] <Dr_willis> you could unload the module.
[02:04] <MFen> yeah, but i would put that in the "not simple" column. i thought one of the applets would have the option, but no
[02:04] <h3sp4wn> You can until enable wireless in networkmanager
[02:04] <Gilou> is there something to do to have the hibernate thing work on ubuntu?
[02:04] <Dr_willis> i was thinkng the kde network manager turned mine off, at least is see the blue light go on/off
[02:04] <Dr_willis> not sure about gnomes stuff
[02:05] <MFen> yeah, using gnome
[02:05] <Dr_willis> Gilou,  i think you need as much swap as you have ram. for one thing.,
[02:05] <Gilou> sleep mode works, but hibernate seems to require more than just hitting the button
[02:05] <h3sp4wn> right click
[02:05] <Gilou> yeah that's OK
[02:05] <h3sp4wn> (untick enable wireless
[02:05] <MFen> h3sp4wn: oh heck, why did i not try right click
[02:05] <MFen> thanks, that'll be the trick
[02:06] <h3sp4wn> MFen: I think I would still prefer a script
[02:06] <h3sp4wn> If I wanted to do that
[02:06] <MFen> h3sp4wn: i already wrote my own script, but i would rather do it from the gui
[02:07] <h3sp4wn> the people doing the backported drivers with mac80211 have it working flawlessly
[02:08] <MFen> h3sp4wn: hmm, i'm using madwifi now
[02:08] <MFen> it basically works, any advantages to mac80211?
[02:08] <h3sp4wn> Well now you mention it with ath5k I appear to get much better signal strength
[02:09] <h3sp4wn> The only problem is I cannot connect to channel 13 and as that is what my network is on its not much use to me
[02:09] <conformer> is anyone else having to run on low graphics mode right now?
[02:09] <MFen> i'm not using  ath5k
[02:09] <Dr_willis> conformer,  not here.
[02:10] <h3sp4wn> MFen: ath5k is the mac80211 version of madwifi
[02:10] <h3sp4wn> MFen: Going to be added to 2.6.25
[02:10] <MFen> conformer: nvidia card or something? did you recently take a kernel update?
[02:10] <conformer> the update yesterday messed up something, and i was hoping theyd fix it by today
[02:10] <conformer> yes
[02:10] <MFen> h3sp4wn: cool. any chance that'll be in official hardy?
[02:10] <justdave_> there was a kernel update yesterday that screwed the nvidia drivers
[02:10] <justdave_> it was fixed this morning
[02:10] <icanhasadmin> hey is OOo suppose to not be broken anymore?
[02:10] <MFen> you need the restricted modules package i think
[02:11] <h3sp4wn> MFen: I doubt it
[02:11] <conformer> they fixed it?
[02:11] <justdave_> my cron job didn't pick up the new packages yet, I had to go to Synaptic and manually reload them
[02:11] <conformer> i just updated, and its still messed up
[02:11] <icanhasadmin> calc: i suppose that q was for you
[02:11] <justdave_> but the sound is screwed on -14
[02:11] <justdave_> I had to switch back to -12 to get my sound back
[02:11] <a1fa> 1s left
[02:11] <a1fa> damn it
[02:12] <justdave_> I think -13 is the one that messed up the nvidia drivers
[02:12] <Caboose> is CCSM in the beta?
[02:13] <MFen> -13 didn't even have a restricted drivers package afaict
[02:13] <billisnice> welcome to the  JuNgLe!
[02:13] <justdave_> yeah, I think that's what the problem was actually
[02:13] <h3sp4wn> Yeah don't understand how people get these issues
[02:13] <justdave_> the restricted drivers package was missing
[02:14] <h3sp4wn> Does the gui update manager just not do anything to try to stop you breaking your system
[02:14] <MFen> h3sp4wn: actually it asks you very nicely if you would like to always break your system
[02:14] <MFen> h3sp4wn: "[] always run in low-graphics mode? you cretin? haha sucker"
[02:14] <h3sp4wn> Aptitude didn't even ask just worked out that it would be pointles
[02:15] <justdave_> restricted-drivers depends on the kernel of the same version
[02:15] <justdave_> but your old kernel doesn't get removed when it upgrades the kernel
[02:15] <justdave_> in case you have to revert back to it
[02:15] <MFen> anyone know what version of ff will ship with hardy?
[02:15] <justdave_> so it happily upgraded to the new kernel, it just didn't update the restricted drivers
[02:15] <MFen> sure seems like firefox 3 is gonna be it, but they're not going to release before hardy does
[02:15] <justdave_> (because there wasn't an update for it)
[02:16] <justdave_> IIRC Firefox 2 came out just after an Ubuntu release
[02:16] <justdave_> and they shipped with 2.0b3 or something
[02:16] <h3sp4wn> justdave_: The only way that would work is if it broke linux-generic etc
[02:16] <justdave_> then updated to the final 2.0 a couple weeks later
[02:16] <MFen> huh
[02:16] <MFen> well, ok
[02:16] <ethana3> you know you have too much time on your hands when you show up on an irc channel and google fight your nick against everyone in it.
[02:16] <Gilou> indeed
[02:16] <icanhasadmin> ethana3: thats.. unneccesary.
[02:16] <conformer> so no one else is have an nvidia problem anymore?
[02:17] <Gilou> what is the default key to call the scaler in compiz ?
[02:17] <ethana3> icanhasadmin: yes..
[02:17] <Gilou> and how can we set compiz keys in gnome?
[02:17] <justdave_> conformer: the nvidia stuff is working for me in both -12 and -14
[02:17] <MFen> conformer: i was able to upgrade to -14 with my nvidia card yesterday night-ish
[02:17] <justdave_> but I'm still using -12 because my sound doesn't work in -14
[02:17] <Fritzel> hey guys question, I'm doing a complete reinstall at this point and I'm about to download an image, my question is, even though the webpage says it's not released yet, is Hardy stable enough to use at this point? I know a few months ago Dolphin had some troubles
[02:17] <savvas> Gilou: sudo aptitude install compizconfig-settings-manager
[02:17] <conformer> after the update, did it just start working again? or did you have to do something
[02:18] <Gilou> savvas> there is no way to do it "the gnome way" ?
[02:18] <mneptok> Fritzel: a development release is never really stable
[02:18] <Fritzel> mneptok: I understand that
[02:18] <Fritzel> mneptok: but is it functional?
[02:18] <h3sp4wn> Fritzel: Recently its been worse than throughout the cycle for me
[02:18] <mneptok> Fritzel: is what functional? my wireless chipset? today, yes. yesterday, not so much.
[02:18] <savvas> Gilou: uh.. gilou that's a package for graphical interface, buttons and great if i may add
[02:18] <icanhasadmin> why do people use aptitude? they say it cleans up better but apt-get --purge does the same thing.
[02:18] <PaulM> Fritzel: it's wo rked functinoally for me
[02:18] <conformer> also, this is probably a noob question, but what is -12 and -14
[02:19] <icanhasadmin> conformer: ending of the kernel version
[02:19] <conformer> oh got it
[02:19] <justdave_> synaptic will auto-clean, too
[02:19] <MFen> conformer: run "uname -r" to see yours
[02:19] <justdave_> aptitude was just the first thing to have that feature
[02:19] <justdave_> the others all picked it up later
[02:19] <Gilou> ah right savvas
[02:19] <Gilou> ok :)
[02:19] <Gilou> thanks
[02:19] <justdave_> the early adopters are just stuck to it :)
[02:19] <savvas> n/p :)
[02:19] <icanhasadmin> if anyone is interested, fglrx is borked in 12 and works fine in 14
[02:19] <Fritzel> -nod- alright, well I'll give it a shot I'm addicted to new and shiny thanks for your input ^^
[02:19] <h3sp4wn> icanhasadmin: Well a simple example is not upgrading the kernel before the restricted modules exist
[02:19] <conformer> mine is -14
[02:20] <conformer> should i change it?
[02:21] <IdleOne>  conformer you having issues with that kernel?
[02:21] <MFen> conformer: what does dpkg -l "linux-restricted-modules*" show you? you should have one for your kernel version
[02:21] <calc> icanhasadmin: yea OOo is fixed afaik
[02:21] <MFen> conformer: if you do, it means you probably checked that stupid checkbox that says "always run in low graphics mode", and your xorg.conf got moved away
[02:21] <h3sp4wn> justdave_: It took a long time for aptitude to get as good as it is
[02:21] <calc> icanhasadmin: if there are problems it is likely due to out of date mirrors
[02:22] <justdave_> aptitude is what you use when you want the ease-of-use of synaptic and you don't have a GUI
[02:22] <icanhasadmin> calc: i see. kk
[02:22] <h3sp4wn> And its mathematically sound the way it works
[02:22] <calc> icanhasadmin: if it isn't due to out of date mirror then feel free to open a bug with details :)
[02:22] <h3sp4wn> I haven't seen any of the others provide such evidence
[02:23] <icanhasadmin> justdave_: how is aptitude any easier than apt-get? i've never had issues
[02:23] <icanhasadmin> calc: seems ok now, was an odd hang during update :)
[02:23] <justdave_> icanhasadmin: visual package lists, searching, etc
[02:23] <conformer> i have a linux-restrict 2.6.24.14.16
[02:23] <MFen> icanhasadmin: easier to type
[02:23] <Dr_willis> i tend to avoide aptitude.. :)  it wanted to remove 200+ packages once.. then reisntalled them right afterwards..
[02:23] <justdave_> icanhasadmin: and not having to remember all the command line options for apt-get
[02:23] <Dr_willis> but other then that. ive had no issues with it.
[02:23] <Flannel> justdave_: aptitude also has a CLI version
[02:23] <justdave_> unless you have the man page memorized it's generally easier to pick things off a menu :)
[02:24] <conformer> and i dont think i have the box checked, cause everytime i boot up it asks me to run in low graphics moed
[02:24] <savvas> aptitude is great if you know how to use it ;p
[02:24] <icanhasadmin> Well... no offense, but i've used ubuntu for about 3 months. I didn't find the apt-get commands hard to remember.
[02:24] <MFen> aptitude used to be called dselect. it has the same awful interface afaict.
[02:24] <icanhasadmin> ok sorry, i'm probabaly wrong. i was actually asking a question :D
[02:24] <tomahasamoot> justdave_: speaking of aptitude, it looked bad when I used it in 8.10... the consol font doesn't have the box drawing charicters in it.
[02:24] <h3sp4wn> No it didn't they are 2 different programs
[02:24] <Fritzel> being that I don't have a working burner, is it possible to mount the iso image and install off the image?
[02:24] <MFen> tomahasamoot: 8.10? are you from the future?
[02:24] <h3sp4wn> And dselect does have it uses
[02:25] <calc> icanhasadmin: ok
[02:25] <tomahasamoot> MFen: sorry, I meant 8.04
[02:25] <MFen> ok, so you're only from the near future
[02:25] <IdleOne> the 8 and 7 keys arent so close that it would be possible to typo
[02:25] <MFen> who wins the pennsylvania primary?
[02:25] <MFen> i'm totally gonna bet on this
[02:25] <savvas> hm i wonder.. if someone made a clone of apt-get or aptitude written in c++, would it still work if libc6 was broken?
[02:25] <IdleOne> #politics
[02:26] <MFen> IdleOne: it was a time-travel joke
[02:26] <justdave_> if it were statically linked, sure
[02:26] <icanhasadmin> i did an update before that took so long, by the time it was done, there were more updates available
[02:26] <IdleOne> MFen: heh I get it.
[02:27] <linkinxp> Hi!
[02:27] <Gnine> anyone having issues with compiz on a ibm rs/6000 sp2
[02:27] <oren> i got no frames in any window!
[02:27] <h3sp4wn> savvas: A slightly malfunctioning perl is much worse for aptitude
[02:28] <icanhasadmin> Gnine: what's "sp2"?
[02:29] <Gnine> youcanthasadmin... no
[02:29] <MFen> ok you people are distracting me
[02:29] <icanhasadmin> Gnine: it's no?
[02:29] <MFen> which is what i was trying to avoid when i came in here to ask how to turn off my internets
[02:29] <icanhasadmin> MFen: shutdown now
[02:30] <h3sp4wn> I wonder if there is a way I an get compiz working with my XVR-1000
[02:30] <h3sp4wn> I think it might work properly with that
[02:30] <jaffarkelshac> has the new kernal messed up anyones lcd brightness control?
[02:31] <oren> i don't see any frame to any application...anyone?
[02:32] <Gnine> sun dont make those anymore , h3sp4wn
[02:32] <Daisuke_Laptop> nvidia doesn't make geforce 4's anymore either, but you can still run compiz on them :P
[02:33] <h3sp4wn> Gnine: I wouldn't pay £3500 for a video card (thats the list price)
[02:33] <Gnine> do you get frames if you do    metacity --replace   oren
[02:33] <jaffarkelshac> what graphics card is that expensive
[02:33] <Daisuke_Laptop> jaffarkelshac: that one :)
[02:33] <h3sp4wn> Its loads better than the quadro 1600m in my laptop
[02:33] <oren> Gnine: let me try
[02:34] <jaffarkelshac> what is
[02:34] <jaffarkelshac> what is called
[02:34] <oren> Gnine: i can't see anything when i open terminal
[02:34] <jaffarkelshac> has the new kernal messed up anyones lcd brightness control?
[02:34] <oren> Gnine: as if the fonts are transparent..
[02:35] <oren> Gnine: i'll try it from F2?
[02:35] <a1fa> 32% installed on 233mhz MX pc
[02:35] <a1fa> :p
[02:35] <oren> Gnine: alt+F2
[02:35] <Gnine> do that
[02:36] <oren> Gnine: to run the command u mentioned
[02:36] <Gnine> a pocket calc has more cpu power , a1
[02:36] <livingtm> I just installed todays updates and lost my ipw3945 wireless
[02:36] <Gnine> yes.. do metacity --replace from alt-f2
[02:36] <jaffarkelshac> i have lost lcd brightness control
[02:36] <h3sp4wn> livingtm: Is the firmware there ?
[02:37] <livingtm> h3sp4wn, where can i find that
[02:37] <broken> Hey guys I have an issue, I upgraded to hardy heron and everything was pretty smooth and everthing worked however now.. what is happening is I will double click on an app, or try to start the  update manager it pops up in the bottom as its loading then it just dies, I can't open any app.
[02:37] <h3sp4wn> ib/firmware/`uname -r`
[02:37] <oren> Gnine: it worked...what's the magic?
[02:38] <livingtm> ib?
[02:38] <Gnine> that command unloaded compiz ..
[02:38] <h3sp4wn> lib
[02:38] <broken> Any idea what could be causing this?
[02:38] <adelie42> hello. sorry, I can't find any kind of X11 chatroom, but got a dev question. is there a way to `export DISPLAY=$namedpipe`
[02:38] <h3sp4wn> livingtm: Sorry I had loads of lag so couldn't see what I was typing)
[02:38] <Gnine> hence.. you have a compiz issue , oren
[02:38] <livingtm> no problem
[02:38] <livingtm> h3sp4wn, doesnt look like it is
[02:39] <h3sp4wn> livingtm: Is there nothing in that directory ?
[02:39] <livingtm> h3sp4wn, not exactly what it would be called. there is lots of dvb-usb* in there
[02:39] <Gnine> but metacity will do just fine if you can live without the eyecandy, til you fix compiz, oren
[02:40] <h3sp4wn> sudo cp ../2.6.24-13-generic/iwlwifi\* .
[02:40] <icanhasadmin> #compiz-fusion for help with compiz
[02:40] <adelie42> what I really want to do is make a youtube playlist powered mediacenter that used prebuild youtube/imeem playlist, and dump the X11 data.
[02:40] <oren> Gnine: ok. it seems like it changed my settings to basic view.
[02:40] <Gnine> yup
[02:41] <livingtm> h3sp4wn, how aqbou t2.6.24-12?
[02:41] <h3sp4wn> livingtm: Yeah that will be fine
[02:41] <h3sp4wn> livingtm: then - restart udev
[02:41] <h3sp4wn> or reboot
[02:42] <Fritzel> can you mount an iso with the mount command?
[02:42] <icanhasadmin> Fritzel: apparently yes, just found that out yesterday
[02:42] <Fritzel> do you happen to remember how? or have a link to the info?
[02:43] <_derspankster> Meshezabeel: my SIS card is SG86C202
[02:43] <icanhasadmin> mount filename.iso to /mnt/iso ?
[02:43] <livingtm> h3sp4wn, that copied about 6 files ending in .ucode... no .fw
[02:43] <Meshezabeel> _derspankster, that wasn't me that asked ;)
[02:44] <Meshezabeel> _derspankster, I don't know my SIS cards
[02:44] <Fritzel> something like that yeah, I don't have a burner so I need to install another way, that's my solution, if it works
[02:44] <icanhasadmin> or maybe "mount -o loop -t iso9660 file.iso /mnt/test", i don't know, google :)
[02:44] <_derspankster> Meschezabeel: sorry, thought you were the one that asked
[02:44] <Flannel> !iso
[02:45] <ubotu> To mount an ISO disc image, type « sudo mount -o loop <ISO-filename> <mountpoint> » - There is a list of useful cd image conversion tools at http://wiki.linuxquestions.org/wiki/CD_Image_Conversion - Always verify the ISO using !MD5 before !burning.
[02:45] <Meshezabeel> _derspankster, np ;)
[02:45] <Fritzel> nm I'll just extract it and hope my memory holds up
[02:45] <broken> Anyone can give me a hand? No app loads in ubuntu it looks as if its loading then dies... I can't start anything help please.
[02:46] <Dr_willis> broken,  can you get a terminalup and going?
[02:46] <broken> No.
[02:46] <broken> I tried running stuff after doing ctrl+alt+f1 but it says it requires a display to which I put DISPLAY=:0.0
[02:46] <broken> Still no luck.
[02:47] <Dr_willis> broken,  export DISPLAY=whatever
[02:48] <jaffarkelshac> broken, i got that ones, but a reboot fixed it. i add system monitor how to panel. at least it let me know pc iat 100%
[02:48] <Dr_willis> but you might need to 'xhost +localhost' befor that.
[02:48] <Dr_willis> broken,  so you get what in X exactly? just a blank screen?
[02:48] <broken> No I get the entire desktop
[02:48] <broken> Everything is as it should be.
[02:49] <broken> But I can't open anything.
[02:49] <jaffarkelshac> Dr_willis, i know what he gets, every looks fine, but cant open or start any programs or terminal
[02:49] <h3sp4wn> except everything is segfaulting all the time ?
[02:49] <livingtm> h3sp4wn, no luck.. also lost audio
[02:49] <broken> This was just after an upgrade + reboot.
[02:49] <broken> Not a distro upgrade, just 207 packages or so.
[02:49] <h3sp4wn> livingtm: Well just boot the old kernel then for now
[02:49] <jaffarkelshac> i think something is running at 100% and nothings gets opened
[02:50] <broken> No, I checked htop its running at 2% cpu usage
[02:50] <livingtm> h3sp4wn, k thanks
[02:50] <Dr_willis> i would suggest killing the X session, and stopping kdm/gdm and then making a .xinitrc file that just launches a terminal, .xinitrc --> has 1 line. xterm  THEn trying 'startx' to see any error messages
[02:50] <Dr_willis> Then ya could try running gnome-sessionor whatever from the xterm window
[02:50] <hamalawy> hello eveyone.. i was wondering how to upgrade to hardy without loosing my current settings
[02:50] <Dr_willis> old-skool debugging!
[02:51] <Dr_willis> hamalawy,  what settings are you refering to.
[02:51] <h3sp4wn> broken: Sure its not something so simple as run out of disk space ?
[02:51] <hamalawy> is there a shell command that can automatically do that for me
[02:51] <broken> I'm pretty sure.
[02:51] <broken> Like 100% positive.
[02:51] <Gnine> high cpu load due to kacpi process can do that..  grub kernel boot option acpi=off might solve the issue
[02:51] <hamalawy> i mean documents, vmware, you know.. my oersonal settings
[02:51] <Dr_willis> personal settings are one thing, system settings are another. :)
[02:51] <h3sp4wn> broken: Well say that then :)
[02:51] <Dr_willis> the upgrade process 'should' keep all the old settings intact.
[02:52] <Dr_willis> but it pays to have backups.
[02:52] <h3sp4wn> hamalawy: aptitude can do it for you
[02:52] <hamalawy> already packed up and good to go ;)
[02:52] <hamalawy> i can't wait to try it
[02:52] <broken> Well it seems this second reboot fixed it but took off all my appearence settings.
[02:52] <jaffarkelshac> does anyone know how to get my lcd brightness control back after update+reboot
[02:52] <icanhasadmin> broken: describe appearance settings?
[02:53] <broken> And then I tried to open appearce settings and it said "sorry the program "gnome-appearance-properties" closed unexepectedly.
[02:53] <hamalawy> what should i type to upgrade.. you see i only USE computers
[02:53] <broken> icanhasadmin: Basically the menu bars and the colors.
[02:53] <h3sp4wn> hamalawy: sudo perl -pi.bak -e 's/gutsy/hardy/g' /etc/apt/sources.list
[02:53] <broken> The only thing that remained the same was the wallpaper.
[02:54] <icanhasadmin> broken: you are using metacity?
[02:54] <hamalawy> thank you spawn
[02:54] <h3sp4wn> hamalawy: Then aptitude update && aptitude install aptitude && aptitude full-upgrade
[02:54] <broken> icanhasadmin: yes I am using the defaults.
[02:54] <h3sp4wn> hamalawy: The line I just gave you you want sudo before each aptitude statement
[02:55] <_derspankster> java is definitely broken for me in FF3 beta4
[02:55] <Gnine> the default is not metacity
[02:55] <icanhasadmin> Gnine: what?
[02:55] <Gilou> and grmzldjze@!##!! ACPI problem once again.
[02:55] <Hydrogen> SOMETHINGS BROKEN IN A BETA? I DON'T BLEIEV EIT
[02:55] <icanhasadmin> Gnine: that's news to me
[02:55] <broken> icanhasadmin: it seems like everything is back to normal.
[02:55] <hamalawy> i'm using dell inspiron 6400.. and it's working like magic with gutsy on it.. after several adjustments of course :D
[02:55] <Meshezabeel> _derspankster, you should go ask on the mozilla server
[02:55] <_derspankster> Hydrogen: you're so insightful
[02:55] <h3sp4wn> Is the amd64 java plugin working for most people now ?:
[02:56] <hamalawy> is hardy working well on dell 6400..  any news?
[02:56] <h3sp4wn> (or at all for anyone ?)
[02:56] <Meshezabeel> h3sp4wn, what site do you want me to go to and try?
[02:57] <_derspankster> Meshezabeel: just making a statement
[02:57] <Gnine> looks like one
[02:58] <Meshezabeel> _derspankster, okay, thought maybe you were trying to find out if it was a known problem or not
[03:01] <h3sp4wn> Meshezabeel: http://download.java.net/javadesktop/plugin2/jake2/
[03:08] <teufelhunden> Hey, have a question about my GPU (8800 GT): In my efforts to get GLX working, the only driver I have found to work is the proprietery driver off of nvidia's website.  However, every time I restsart my computer the driver won't work untill I reinstall it.  Seeing as how I switch hardrives and reboot often, this is a... major inconvinence.  Any ideas?
[03:09] <h3sp4wn> teufelhunden: The drivers are identical
[03:10] <icanhasadmin> teufelhunden: that's really odd. did you install it initially from the restricted-drivers-manager?
[03:10] <teufelhunden> Yeah, I tried using nvidia-glx-new but GLX won't work when I do that.
[03:10] <h3sp4wn> teufelhunden: Just remove the startup links for nvidia-kernel-common
[03:10] <h3sp4wn> update-rc.d -f nvidia-kernel-common remove
[03:11] <teufelhunden> wonderful, thank you.
[03:11] <h3sp4wn> Its - nvidia-kernel (changed its name since last looked)
[03:11] <Meshezabeel> h3sp4wn, looks like it isn't working for me
[03:15] <mneptok> teufelhunden: sudo apt-get install nvidia-glx-new
[03:15] <teufelhunden> Won't work, trust me.
[03:15] <mneptok> why's that?
[03:15] <teufelhunden> Good question.
[03:16] <mneptok> does nvidia-glx-new not support the 8800?
[03:16] <mneptok> are you sure you have the restricted modules for your kernel?
[03:16] <teufelhunden> well, support for the 8800 *GT* is rather new...
[03:16] <teufelhunden> Yes
[03:17] <mneptok> guess my fear of blood is what keeps me off nVidia's bleeding edge
[03:19] <Gilou> ACPI is gonna drive me crazy..
[03:20] <icanhasadmin> acpi is.. evil
[03:20] <Gilou> if I boot using acpi=off I don't have sound support..
[03:21] <icanhasadmin> Gilou: you mean the opposite right?
[03:21] <Gilou> and if I boot without it, sometimes it will randomly kernel panic when loading HAL
[03:21] <Gilou> no, I actually mean that :)
[03:21] <h3sp4wn> Gilou: Who makes the motherboard or computer ?
[03:21] <Gilou> take a guess
[03:21] <Gilou> that's a laptop
[03:21] <icanhasadmin> toshiba? lol
[03:22] <icanhasadmin> or acer
[03:22] <icanhasadmin> one or the other
[03:22] <Gilou> acer
[03:22] <Gilou> :p
[03:22] <Gilou> Acer / Intel
[03:22] <Gilou> DSDT or BIOS is probably fucked up
[03:22] <icanhasadmin> Gilou: you using -14?
[03:22] <Gilou> yeah
[03:22] <icanhasadmin> odd, my acer works flawless with hardy / -14, including acpi
[03:22] <icanhasadmin> i only have an issue on my tosh
[03:22] <Gilou> what model?
[03:22] <savvas> !language
[03:22] <ubotu> Please watch your language and topic to help keep this channel family friendly.
[03:23] <Gilou> oh, sorry..
[03:23] <icanhasadmin> Gilou: honestly i'm not sure. i own a store where i get to play with things like this lol
[03:23] <Gilou> what's weird is I booted it a few moments ago, and it went well
[03:23] <Gilou> really well actually
[03:24] <Gilou> even suspend was working
[03:24] <Gilou> I was so happy I played with compiz
[03:24] <Gilou> then I was like "ok.. this is like a miracle, let's reboot to check.."
[03:24] <Gilou> and beng.
[03:24] <icanhasadmin> Gilou: you SURE it was the same kernel version both times?
[03:24] <Gilou> yeah
[03:25] <icanhasadmin> very very odd.
[03:25] <Gilou> I'm pretty sure it's a DSDT issue too, but I can't do anything about it..
[03:25] <icanhasadmin> Gilou: sure there is
[03:25] <cpk1> for some reason if I use sudo I cant tab complete anything after sudo now, not sure if its due to the install or the fact that I deleted all the hidden files in my home dir before the install, but I copied over the bashrc from /etc/skel and still no help
[03:25] <Gilou> you wanna see some of the output once it starts crashing?
[03:25] <icanhasadmin> Gilou: reverse engineer your DSDT, fix it, recompile it, then try not to brick your motherboard ;)
[03:25] <Gilou> cpk1> bash_completion ?
[03:25] <h3sp4wn> cpk1: If you just manually source /etc/bash_completion
[03:25] <Gilou> yeaaaaah icanhasadmin good idea lol...
[03:25] <h3sp4wn> what happens then
[03:26] <Gilou> I can read some assembler..
[03:26] <h3sp4wn> Linux bios
[03:26] <Gilou> but understand enough to fix a broken dsdt
[03:26] <Gilou> good luck :p
[03:26] <icanhasadmin> Gilou: i fixed one once. was an accident lol
[03:27] <Gilou> I'd like such an accident
[03:27] <Gilou> http://grovo.gilouweb.com/~gilou/kernel_oops/
[03:27] <Gilou> if you're intersted in what it spits
[03:27] <cpk1> h3sp4wn: I have bash.bashrc and a dir called bash_completion.d with "debconf  debtags  ooffice.sh  pon" in it...
[03:28] <h3sp4wn> cpk1: Well the main file is in a package called bash-completion
[03:28] <Gilou> I was gonna report it as a kernel package bug
[03:28] <h3sp4wn> and lives - /etc/bash_completion -
[03:29] <Gilou> but I saw one report being bashed because it was detected as a DSDT issue
[03:29] <Gilou> which sounds reasonnable
[03:29] <Gilou> makes me sad, yet
[03:29] <h3sp4wn> cpk1: But really the zsh completion is alot better
[03:30] <Gilou> yeah zsh is worth learning
[03:30] <cpk1> but that would only be if I use zsh right?
[03:30]  * Gilou still a bash user
[03:30] <Gilou> but I like wandering in a zsh shell when I feel at home
[03:30] <Gilou> :p
[03:31] <savvas> zsh is for solaris?
[03:31] <icanhasadmin> zsh better than bash? ugh. blashphemy, don't get me started
[03:31] <Gilou> of course it is..
[03:31] <Gilou> I love the man page of bash
[03:31] <savvas> no i mean where is it used as default? :P
[03:31] <Gilou> BUGS
[03:31] <Gilou>        It’s too big and too slow.
[03:31] <icanhasadmin> Gilou: that looks like a DSDT issue, but don't take my word for it
[03:32] <Gilou> icanhasadmin> lol thanks a lot for your help!! :p
[03:32] <cpk1> yup it was that package, thanks h3sp4wn I would have thought that that package would come with the system
[03:32] <Gilou> savvas> I'm not sure it's solaris related
[03:33] <savvas> "A small number of critical problems, but affecting a whole lot of computers and people: Both Macs and Windows computers are at risk from the multiple critical QuickTime vulnerabilities."
[03:33] <savvas> ;)
[03:33] <icanhasadmin> Gilou: i wouldn't call it help, but ok. maybe your issue will be fixed with the final release of hardy :)
[03:34] <DanaG> I've lately had issues where changing power source breaks all ACPI buttons for a while.
[03:34] <Gilou> I  hope so... because I can't really use my laptop without sound
[03:34] <DanaG> ... and then after they unbreak, it literally spams me with everything I did over the last 5 or 10 minutes, over about 5 seconds.
[03:34] <Gilou> and acpi support is... somehow interesting (suspend, battery state & so on..)
[03:35] <Gilou> DanaG> nice .. acpi is fun too here, if you close the LID and don't suspend / hibernate, it'll fire an acpi event every 30s
[03:35] <Gilou> writing info on the disc
[03:35] <Gilou> that's really great when you think your laptop is idling while on battery :p
[03:36] <DanaG> I've been getting hard-lockups when leaving the lid closed for long periods.
[03:36] <SilverDawn> Hey all, Just out of curiosity, Is prelink or preload default in hardy now? Im not on my hardy box so i cant check, I was just wonderin
[03:37] <Gilou> prewhat?
[03:37] <StrangeCharm> how can i activate network interfaces?
[03:38] <SilverDawn> apt-cache search prelink && apt-cache search preload
[03:38] <Gilou> when I see my ACPI problems, I still wonder how I can refer ubuntu to people when they complate about their MS system being slow hehe
[03:38] <savvas> prelink - ELF prelinking utility to speed up dynamic linking
[03:38] <Gilou> yet, I'm confident.
[03:38] <savvas> preload - adaptive readahead daemon
[03:38] <SilverDawn> There you go
[03:38] <icanhasadmin> Gilou: honestly it's really only a toshiba/acer thing :P
[03:38] <SilverDawn> Now you know what it is
[03:39] <SilverDawn> But i take it that its not default
[03:39] <Gilou> yeah, but there are some people using that out there :p
[03:39] <Gilou> me, for starters
[03:39] <savvas> SilverDawn: nope
[03:39] <mb2> Anyone having issues with Hibernate functionality?
[03:39] <savvas> don't think so
[03:40] <savvas> rdepends appear empty
[03:40] <Hydrogen> !anyone | mb2
[03:40] <ubotu> mb2: A large amount of the first questions asked in this channel start with "Does anyone/anybody..."  Why not ask your next question (the real one) and find out?
[03:40] <mb2> Hydrogen: that was my question lol
[03:41] <savvas> mb2: he meant with a bit more info about the problem :P
[03:41] <Hydrogen> mb2: I'm assuming you are having a problem with hibernate functionality
[03:41] <mb2> Well, Hibernation appears broken in Hardy.  It doesn't hibernate... and boots up on the next boot normally
[03:41] <Hydrogen> as you're asking about it
[03:42] <mb2> I am looking to see if anyone is experiencing issues along that line to try to figure out if it is Hardy that is broken or my system
[03:43] <icanhasadmin> my hibernate has never worked
[03:43] <icanhasadmin> any version of ubuntu
[03:43] <SilverDawn> i never used hibernate
[03:43] <SilverDawn> i never saw a point
[03:43] <a1fa> blah
[03:43] <a1fa> i am having issues installing
[03:43] <a1fa> :(
[03:43] <StrangeCharm> silverdawn - it allows you to keep your session and save power
[03:43] <mb2> Nor I before tonight; a friend called me about it with trouble, though, and I tried it myself (and we have very similar systems) so I am trying to assess the issue
[03:44] <a1fa> it freezes at some point of time
[03:44] <Wrath> hibernate in linux seems slower than just shutting down and reastarting
[03:44] <akk> My hibernate used to work, up through feisty
[03:44] <a1fa> anyway to install grub the fast way?
[03:44] <a1fa> with alternative cd
[03:44] <a1fa> ?
[03:44] <StrangeCharm> wrath - and getting back to your previous state?
[03:44] <Wrath> yea its nice for that, if you have a bunch of things open
[03:44] <Wrath> i used to use windows hibernate just because it was faster tho
[03:44] <DanaG> Something's new with pm-utils.
[03:44] <akk> In gutsy I saw the same thing mb2 saw, it hibernates but on resume it just boots normally.
[03:44] <DanaG> Namely, severe lack of documentation.
[03:45] <DanaG> I know how to use the /etc/acpi and /etc/default/acpi-support stuff.
[03:45] <DanaG> But the pm-utils stuff... I don't even know where the heck it IS.
[03:45] <a1fa> damn it
[03:45] <a1fa> fuck this
[03:45] <icanhasadmin> !languagae
[03:45] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about languagae - try searching on http://ubotu.ubuntu-nl.org/factoids.cgi
[03:45] <a1fa> all i want to do is re-install grub
[03:45] <icanhasadmin> !language
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[03:45] <a1fa> anyway to skip the whole install?
[03:46] <akk> a1fa: the alt cd has an "install grub" step, or you can run grub-install directly
[03:46] <mb2> a1fa: Then boot from the Live CD and reinstall grub
[03:46] <mb2> a1fa: Or you can do what akk mentioned, too.
[03:46] <a1fa> whats that
[03:46] <akk> If you google you'll find howtos on grub-install (that's what I did last time I used it, which was years ago)
[03:47]  * mb2 has learned to keep a GRUB boot floppy handy because it's useful on many people's systems :)
[03:47] <a1fa> i like debians install wrapper
[03:47] <a1fa> it lets you break out of standard install
[03:47] <a1fa> and let you run all steps at any time
[03:48] <akk> a1fa: In the alt cd, if you run in expert mode it sends you back to the menu after every step
[03:48] <akk> a1fa: or you can ctl-alt-F2 to get a commandline at any time
[03:48] <a1fa> i am in the command line
[03:48] <akk> (at least, that worked in feisty and gutsy, I assume it still works in hardy)
[03:48] <a1fa> but once i go back to the install and go back to the command line
[03:48] <a1fa> the screen goes blank
[03:49] <mb2> heh... found why it booted normally... though now I need to find the underlying cause.
[03:49] <torpedo|dog> I don't remember who told me about simple-ccsm last night, but thank you. It's exactly what I wanted.
[03:50] <SilverDawn> simple-ccsm?
[03:50] <SilverDawn> You needed something easyer then ccsm?..
[03:50] <a1fa> grub-install command not found
[03:51] <torpedo|dog> put lightly, regular CCSM is a user-interface disaster.
[03:51] <SilverDawn> torpedo|dog but it works and i dont know about you but i hardly need to change anything once i get it setup
[03:51] <a1fa> how stupid
[03:51] <Hydrogen> put lightly, gtk is a user-interface disaster
[03:51] <a1fa> awwwwwwwwww
[03:52] <SilverDawn> a1fa try /usr/sbin/grub-install or somethin
[03:52] <a1fa> too late now
[03:52] <a1fa> its freezing for some reason
[03:52] <a1fa> PITA
[03:52] <a1fa> 233 Mhz
[03:52] <DanaG> gnome-screensaver is a disaster.
[03:52] <SilverDawn> GNOME is a disaster, So is KDE
[03:52] <SilverDawn> =\
[03:52] <torpedo|dog> gnome-screensaver is a bit too simple for my taste
[03:52] <SilverDawn> Whats the point of stating the obvious
[03:53] <twb> torpedo|dog: simple?
[03:53] <twb> torpedo|dog: what about xlockmore?
[03:53] <twb> xautolock + xtrlock is even simpler
[03:54] <torpedo|dog> no, I mean that I want a bit more customization than gnome-screensaver offers. xscreensaver-demo did well in that regard, imho
[03:54] <akk> are some of those less crashy than xscreensaver or gnome's screensaver?
[03:54] <twb> It's probably all hidden in gconf-editor
[03:54] <twb> akk: define `cranky'
[03:55] <akk> twb: what I said was crashy, not cranky, but really I mean freezy -- as in, they freeze up the machine so I have to unplug it to reboot
[03:55] <twb> akk: sorry, my font's too small.
[03:55] <twb> akk: do you have DRI enabled?
[03:56] <twb> akk: if not, I'd expect the GL hacks to run the system into the ground
[03:56] <twb> akk: xtrlock just blanks the screen, so it won't blow out your CPU time.
[03:56] <akk> twb: I have a machine with an s3 savage that can't do dri, and the gl screensavers lock it up; but even some of the non-gl ones lock it up
[03:57] <twb> Here's an .xscreensaver that will also just blank the screen, rather than using CPU-hogging hacks: http://cyber.com.au/~twb/Preferences/.xscreensaver
[03:57] <akk> But X already has 2 built-in ways of blanking the screen -- why run a screensaver for that?
[03:57] <twb> akk: blank-and-lock
[03:57] <akk> ah, okay, I don't lock, just blank
[03:57] <twb> xset dpms force off
[03:58] <twb> That puts the monitor into powersave mode immediately
[03:58] <akk> Though one thing I do wish for, since gutsy, is a way to black the screen without doing dpms powersave
[03:59] <twb> xset s blank?
[03:59] <akk> X has two settings, a short timeout for fake blank and then a longer timeout for dpms, but starting with gutsy they both do dpms
[03:59] <twb> Maybe xset dpms force standby
[03:59] <twb> akk: you say "x has two settings", where are you activating them?
[04:01] <torpedo|dog> however, with regards to my beef with ccsm, it's just that they had the "do I want it this way, or that? Why not let the user decide later" mentality, so you have 20 bajillion plugins, with a rather icky UI for all of them. What I'd really like to see is something simple like where you have a "window effects" tab or something like that, then you have choices something like this:
[04:01] <torpedo|dog> Appear: [ Fade in | v ]
[04:01] <torpedo|dog> Close: [ Fold out | v ]
[04:01] <akk> twb: The short timeout is the "blanking" one, in the screen saver section of xset; the long one is dpms times (actually three of them)
[04:02] <torpedo|dog> Move around: [ Wobble | v ]
[04:02] <twb> torpedo|dog: IMO compiz' only useful feature is per-window colorspace inversion
[04:02] <torpedo|dog>            Wobbliness: Not wobbly --------|--- Very wobbly indeed
[04:03] <akk> twb: e.g. xset q tells me that Screen Saver has timeout 900, while DPMS has Standby: 0    Suspend: 0    Off: 1200
[04:03] <akk> twb: but after 900 seconds, it does a dpms powerdown on the monitor
[04:03] <torpedo|dog> ccsm-simple comes very close to that, which is what I (and I bet most other people) would want.
[04:03] <twb> akk: did you look through the changelogs for xorg-server and suchlike?
[04:04] <akk> twb: No -- I googled a little but the only X changelogs I found looked daunting and I gave up
[04:05] <twb> akk: you could always ask #debian-x or whatever the Ubuntu equivalent is.
[04:05] <akk> twb: Is there an X changelog that would cover specifically the changes between feisty and gutsy?
[04:05] <twb> Don't just suffer bugs in silence -- complain!
[04:05] <akk> twb: I did try asking on #xorg but didn't find anyone interested in talking
[04:06] <akk> twb: I used to report nearly all bugs, but they never get any attention so I've gotten a lot less proactive about that
[04:06] <akk> twb: I've been wondering if I'd have better luck now, reporting bugs on hardy before it's actually released so it's still being worked on
[04:07] <akk> (but I asked yesterday if I should be reporting bugs on the things I was asking about, and nobody seemed to know)
[04:07] <a1fa> lol
[04:07] <a1fa> grub-install is not available
[04:07] <twb> akk: yes, that's one reason I never report bugs to Ubuntu if I can reproduce them on Debian
[04:07] <twb> They act like a bank with form-letter reponses
[04:08] <DanaG> Hmm.
[04:08] <DanaG> https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/linux-source-2.6.22/+bug/176090
[04:08] <ubotu> Launchpad bug 176090 in linux-backports-modules-2.6.24 "WiFi / WLAN LED not working on notebooks with Intel iwl4965 | iwl3945" [Medium,Fix released]
[04:08] <DanaG> Interesting... my WiFi card doesn't even HAVE an activity LED.
[04:08] <DanaG> Just a BIOS-controlled 'state' LED.
[04:08] <torpedo|dog> ...or does it?
[04:09] <T1m0thy> I've always had to turn it off and back on when rebooting.
[04:09] <DanaG> ... and that even works without the driver loaded.
[04:09] <torpedo|dog> that ain't lighting up on my compy
[04:09] <T1m0thy> If it's left on it automatically goes off when Ubuntu starts loading.
[04:09] <torpedo|dog> which needs a reboot
[04:09] <a1fa> there is grub-installer
[04:11] <twb> Grr, bootchart was running rsvg-convert for 70% RAM eatage
[04:12] <DanaG> I ran into that, too.
[04:13] <DanaG> (except I called it something worse.)
[04:13] <DanaG> instead of 'eatage'.
[04:13] <twb> It would explain why mksquashfs took 4 hours for a 700MB iso
[04:14] <DanaG> Oh, and wtf is the format that brasero rips CDs in?
[04:14] <DanaG> It certainly isn't .iso!
[04:14] <twb> DanaG: does it have an extension?
[04:15] <DanaG> There are two files:
[04:15] <DanaG> .toc and .bin.
[04:15] <mb2> ahh -- use those with cdrdao
[04:16] <twb> That's bin/cue format
[04:16] <twb> It's used for multi-thingy things
[04:16] <mb2> lol, twb
[04:16] <twb> e.g. CDDA discs
[04:17] <DanaG> And I couldn't md5sum the copied disk.
[04:17] <DanaG> I got I/O error on trying to md5sum either the original CD or the copy.
[04:17] <twb> Why not just use dd to copy an .iso disc?
[04:17] <DanaG> dd errored out, too.
[04:18] <akk> Interesting, I got I/O errors trying to verify my hardy disc that I burned on gutsy, with k3b
[04:18] <akk> but dd | md5sum worked fine
[04:18] <twb> DanaG: you can tell dd to not care about errors
[04:19] <twb> DanaG: is it definitely an .iso and not e.g. a PS2 or Wii disc?
[04:19] <DanaG> It was a music CD.
[04:19] <DanaG> Oh, and I tried it on both my internal drive and my Firewire one.
[04:20] <twb> DanaG: music CDs are not isos
[04:21] <twb> They are CDDA format (unless they are DRMd, in which case they are evil and contain lofi MP3 or WMA copies and try to make it impossible to rip the actual CDDA tracks).
[04:21] <DanaG> It actually copied with brasero, though.
[04:21] <DanaG> But as toc and bin, not iso.
[04:22] <DanaG> Why do music CDs get errors when trying to dd?
[04:22] <twb> DanaG: because you cannot rip CDDA discs with dd!
[04:23] <DanaG> Why not?  I thought they'd just be bits, just as others are.
[04:24] <twb> It's a long story.
[04:24] <twb> The short answer is that there are different kinds of "just bits"
[04:24] <DanaG> aah.
[04:25] <DanaG> Not straight-through readable, then.
[04:25] <DanaG> Well, are the bin/cue copies bit-perfect, at least?  That's what I was trying to verify with dd.
[04:25] <twb> Nominally, yes.
[04:25] <strabes> is anyone else's rhythmbox unable to play after resuming from suspend? It requires a restart of rhythmbox to let it play again.
[04:25] <twb> But for a CDDA, you should have a whole bunch of .bin's, I think
[04:25] <DanaG> It gave me just one.
[04:25] <twb> I normally rip with either jack or grip.
[04:26] <twb> That gives you wavs and then encodes them to flac/whatever
[04:26] <DanaG> Oh, and once I have the bin/cue, how can I rip it to ogg or such?
[04:26] <twb> I think they use cdparanoia as a backend
[04:26] <twb> I don't know how to tuen a bin/cue rip into useful data.
[04:26] <pwnguin> is there some trick to enabling the facebrowser on gdm?
[04:27]  * DanaG goes off to try new kernel.
[04:27] <twb> Grr, why do the ubuntu-blah metapackages depend on specific packages (in this case, sysklog) instead of virtual packages (i.e. sysklogd | system-log-daemon).
[04:30] <DanaG> yay.
[04:30] <Gilou> grr
[04:30]  * Gilou wants ACPI.
[04:30] <pwnguin> DanaG: -14?
[04:30]  * DanaG has done his fair share of DSDT hacking.
[04:31] <tecywiz121> hey, synaptic is freezing for me on ldconfig everytime... any ideas?
[04:31] <DanaG> Mine compiled fine, but had broken logic in brightness.
[04:31] <tecywiz121> console too
[04:31] <DanaG> hmm, /sys/class/leds/iwl-phy0:{RX,TX}
[04:32]  * DanaG isn't lucky enough to HAVE such LEDs.
[04:32] <akk> Is there an ubuntu mailing list (or even forum) appropriate for asking questions about details of things like udev?
[04:32] <crimsun> akk: depends on your intent
[04:33] <DanaG> Oh yeah, that reminds me of another thing I wanted to comment about on my old brightness bug.
[04:33] <crimsun> akk: if it's udev hacking, go upstream.  If it's udev integration in Ubuntu, then ubuntu-devel-discuss
[04:33] <DanaG> bug 121833
[04:33] <ubotu> Launchpad bug 121833 in linux "LCD backlight turns off when between discrete levels, both from hotkeys and from dim-on-idle." [Medium,Fix committed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/121833
[04:33] <DanaG> yay, clickable link.
[04:34] <akk> crimsun: The trouble with udev is that every distro (afaik) has its own set of rules
[04:34] <pen> I don't undersatnd this. Why compiz is slowing down compiz so much??
[04:34] <pen> *understand
[04:34] <J-_> Does Tracker work for anyone?
[04:34] <akk> crimsun: so I have a feeling the upstream folks would just say "oh, we don't know what ubuntu's trying to do"
[04:34] <twb> pen: do you have DRI on?
[04:34] <Gilou> DanaG> do you think I should post about my ACPI prob?
[04:34] <pen> twb: maybe
[04:34] <crimsun> akk: what does the question concern?
[04:35] <pen> twb: you mean xorg.conf?
[04:35] <Gilou> or is a DSDT issue not likely to be interesting enough..
[04:35] <twb> pen: run `glxinfo | grep -i direct.rendering'
[04:35] <pen> yes
[04:35] <akk> crimsun: I'm trying to understand how the flow is supposed to work from a hotplugged cardbus ethernet card through udev to ifup
[04:35] <pen> twb I have DR
[04:35] <twb> pen: it prints "direct rendering: yes"?
[04:35] <pwnguin> anyone able to use a facebrowser for GDM login?
[04:35] <pen> twb: yes
[04:35] <twb> pen: OK, what does `lspci | grep VGA' print?
[04:36] <tecywiz121> pwnguin, yep
[04:36] <akk> crimsun: It's not working, but I can't even figure out how it's *supposed* to work from the udev rules.
[04:36] <pen> twb: 01:00.0 VGA compatible controller: nVidia Corporation GeForce 8400M GS (rev a1)
[04:36] <pen> twb: compiz is very smooth without FF
[04:36] <crimsun> akk: first, you need to be a bit more specific.  Are we talking a pure server install or a pure desktop install?
[04:36] <akk> crimsun: so I'm hoping to find someone who can clue me in on how it's expected to work, then I can figure out what's different about my card.
[04:36] <tecywiz121> metacity with compositing isnt too bad with FF
[04:37] <pwnguin> tecywiz121: i had some gdm problems so i --purged the install and config files and now i cant seem to get the face browser to work =/
[04:37] <akk> crimsun: It's a laptop, and I'm not using the gnome/hal stuff though i'd be perfectly happy with an explanation that included how control is supposed to pass off to hal or gnome.
[04:37] <twb> pen: what does `grep Loading./usr/lib/xorg/modules/drivers /var/log/Xorg.0.log' print?
[04:37] <danuel> Hi all
[04:37] <Luckrider> does anyone know about Cwiid?
[04:37] <pwnguin> Luckrider: yes
[04:37] <twb> pwnguin: hmm, that might simply be because ff wants all the ram or something
[04:37] <pen> twb: (II) Loading /usr/lib/xorg/modules/drivers//nvidia_drv.so
[04:37] <crimsun> akk: insertion -> linux -> udev
[04:37] <twb> Sorry, bad completion
[04:38] <crimsun> akk: where do you want me to elaborate?
[04:38] <Luckrider> you do
[04:38] <danuel> I have a problem, "you are not privileged to mount this volume" windows ntfs partition.  Is this a bug in Hardy?
[04:38] <pwnguin> Luckrider: i do indeed
[04:38] <tecywiz121> pwnguin, did you miss anything when you reinstalled everything?
[04:38] <Luckrider> hold on a minute
[04:38] <twb> pen: I don't know how to help, but those commands I had you run should be told to anyone you're trying to get help from on compiz speed
[04:38] <danuel> Is there a good how to on this mounting drives in ubuntu Hardy?
[04:39] <twb> pen: also mention from the start that it's only bad when firefox is running
[04:39] <twb> danuel: do you know the device's name (e.g. /dev/sdb2) ?
[04:39] <pen> twb: ok
[04:39] <pwnguin> tecywiz121: nope. it pulled out gdm, ubuntu-desktop and fast user switcher, but they're all back now
[04:39] <akk> crimsun: okay, cardbus card inserted, an event happens, udev gets some sort of event
[04:39] <Luckrider> OK
[04:39]  * DanaG greps dmesg for NVRM
[04:39] <Luckrider> BACK
[04:39] <Luckrider> sorry about that
[04:39] <pen> twb: is it because of the NVIDIA driver?
[04:40] <twb> pen: I don't know
[04:40] <Luckrider> but
[04:40] <Luckrider> pwnguin
[04:40] <danuel> I think it's sdb0 and 1 (two partitions), but uncertain.  What's the best way to find out?
[04:40] <twb> pen: I never used an nvidia GPU, because they are filthy and tainted
[04:40] <Luckrider> , have
[04:40] <Luckrider> y
[04:40] <Luckrider> ou a
[04:40]  * DanaG will be glad to be free of nvidia in summer.
[04:40] <pen> twb: hm...
[04:40] <Luckrider> ver heard of anyone using the nunchuck as the mouse
[04:40] <akk> crimsun: this may or may not involve the rules in 70-persistent-net.rules
[04:40] <pwnguin> Luckrider: for the love of god,please try to fit it on a single line
[04:40] <Luckrider> sorry
[04:40] <Luckrider> my keyboard is freaking out on me
[04:40] <DanaG> You know the "don't sacrifice permanent liberty for temporary security" issue?  I'll be going the other way:
[04:40] <pwnguin> this channel is far too busy for that ;)
[04:40] <pen> twb: It seems like in gusty FF2 is working fine with ocmpiz
[04:40] <twb> danuel: what does this command report? `stat -c %G /dev/sdb? | fmt'
[04:40] <akk> crimsun: then somehow, I *think* we're supposed to get from there to the rules in 85-ifupdown.rules
[04:40] <pen> twb: If I'm not wrong
[04:40] <DanaG> Possibly sacrificing performance and stability, for the sake of freedom.
[04:41] <crimsun> akk: yes, the handoff is to udev.  No, /etc/udev/rules.d/70-persistent-net.rules is secondary.  First see /etc/udev/rules.d/75-persistent-net-generator.rules, which /creates or modifies/ the former.
[04:41] <twb> pen: please don't bug me further about this issue
[04:41] <DanaG> I'll be going to ATI.
[04:41] <akk> crimsun: which apparently can call ifup ... but that part doesn't seem to be happening
[04:41] <twb> pen: I can help no more
[04:41] <pen> twb: ok
[04:41] <tecywiz121> i hate ATI....
[04:41] <pwnguin> Luckrider: yes, ive heard of people using acc drivers to make the nunchuck a mouse
[04:41] <DanaG> I hate nvidia, myself.
[04:41] <akk> crimsun: I know about /etc/udev/rules.d/75-persistent-net-generator.rules (I had to disable it on gutsy, and that bug, which a lot of people saw, was just WONFIXed a few days ago)
[04:41]  * mb2 loves nvidia
[04:41] <DanaG> *BLINK*
[04:41] <pwnguin> Luckrider: for example, /etc/cwiid/wminput/nunchuk_acc_ptr
[04:41] <tecywiz121> yeah... the oldish ati drivers melted a card of mine
[04:41] <Luckrider> do you know where i can find a guide or somethig to do it?
[04:41] <DanaG> *BLINK*
[04:41] <Luckrider> oh
[04:41] <Luckrider> thanks
[04:41] <DanaG> *BLINK* *BLINK*
[04:42] <akk> crimsun: but that isn't the problem with hardy, at least I think it's always using the same persistent rule for the card
[04:42]  * pwnguin uses nouveau
[04:42] <mb2> i have both nvidia and ati hardware and the ati doesn't work for nothing.
[04:42] <DanaG> (I no longer have that issue, but boy, was it annoying when I DID have it.
[04:42] <Luckrider> pwnguin, you are the best, I am going to look for that in my sys now
[04:42] <tecywiz121> mb2, I agree!
[04:42] <crimsun> akk: it depends on the module, the MAC address, and the attributes
[04:42]  * DanaG snickers at double negative, but refrains from directly mocking it)
[04:42] <DanaG> Oh yeah, the generator thingy needs to include wmaster interfaces!
[04:42] <mb2> DanaG: yeah, bad sentence construction i agree lol
[04:43] <danuel> twb: it's sda, not sdb, and output of "stat -c %G /dev/sdb? | fmt" shows "disk disk disk disk"
[04:43] <akk> crimsun: So, first question: how can I find out whether it's invoking the rule in 70-persistent-net.rules ?
[04:43] <twb> danuel: OK, what does the `id' command print?
[04:43] <DanaG> Hint to fix Gnome's buggy brightness control: use kde's guidance power manager.
[04:43] <crimsun> akk: use udev debugging, e.g., break=  if necessary.
[04:43] <akk> crimsun: and likewise, how can I find out if it ever gets to 85-ifupdown.rules?
[04:44] <Luckrider> pwnguin this is what I have http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/62095/
[04:44] <pwnguin> yes
[04:44] <Luckrider> do you have any suggestions?
[04:44] <Luckrider> that is orrect?
[04:44] <Luckrider> *correct
[04:44] <pwnguin> wminput -C nunchuck_acc_ptr
[04:44] <pwnguin> sudo
[04:44] <Luckrider> ok
[04:44] <akk> crimsun: I tried udevmonitor (on DanaG's suggestion) but that didn't show me which rules were being invoked, and I didn't know how to interpret what it did show me
[04:44] <danuel> twb: uid=1000(daniel) gid=1000(daniel) groups=4(adm),20(dialout),24(cdrom),25(floppy),29(audio),30(dip),44(video),46(plugdev),106(fuse),108(lpadmin),114(admin),1000(daniel)
[04:45] <twb> danuel: OK, so you need to add yourself to the `disk' group
[04:45] <danuel> I see
[04:45] <twb> ICBW, you may need to add yourself to a different group that is specific to pmount/gnome-mount, I don't remember
[04:46] <J-_> Hmm, brightness works with the new kernel now, but it goes back to the brightest setting after a while.
[04:49] <Luckrider> pwnguin, the gui works, but not sudo wminput or sudo wminput -C nunchuck_acc_ptr
[04:49] <crimsun> akk: please pass the appropriate debug flag(s)
[04:49] <crimsun> depending on the binary, --debug-trace, -v, etc.
[04:50] <akk> crimsun: Sorry, pass it where?
[04:50] <pwnguin> Luckrider: in /usr/share/doc/wminput should be a readme. you need to modprobe uinput first
[04:50] <crimsun> I have an early flight, so I need to get to bed.
[04:50] <Luckrider> ok
[04:50] <Luckrider> let me see what I can do
[04:50] <DanaG> Where are you headed off to?  You seem to travel a lot.
[04:52] <Luckrider> it is in .list format pwnguin, is that correct?
[04:52] <crimsun> akk: pass one of the break=  kernel parameter values, then invoke udevd manually with one or more of the verbose options
[04:52] <danuel> twb: I did
[04:53]  * DanaG wonders:
[04:53] <pwnguin> Luckrider: it?
[04:53] <DanaG> If I got a mini-PCie to full-size PCIe adapter, would there be any way to tell the OS to consider it hotpluggable?
[04:53] <Luckrider> what do you mean It? pwnguin
[04:53] <DanaG> Perhaps a PCIe-to-PCIe bridge and hotplug controller?
[04:53] <DanaG> I want one of the C-Media Oxygen cards, or such, for my next laptop.
[04:53] <danuel> twb: I did "sudo useradd -G disk daniel" output "user daniel exists"
[04:53] <pwnguin> Luckrider: what do YOU mean by "it"? as in "it is in .list format"
[04:54] <akk> crimsun: okay, will try. I don't suppose there's anything anywhere that documents these break= options? I have no idea what would go there
[04:54] <Luckrider> oh
[04:54] <Luckrider> the file, I am sorry about that, it is midnight here, and I have been up since 5:30
[04:54] <danuel> twb: still not privileged.
[04:54] <pwnguin> Luckrider: which file?
[04:55] <Luckrider> the wminput.list
[04:55] <pwnguin> note at the top that wminput.list says its not a valid config file
[04:55] <pwnguin> it also doesn't mention the plugins
[04:55] <Luckrider> oh
[04:55] <Luckrider> so how do i fix that pwnguin?
[04:56] <pwnguin> its a doc, you dont need to fix it
[04:56] <pwnguin> its just a list of the valid things you might configure
[04:56] <Luckrider> so... how am I supposed to get the thing to work, use that list to configure it?
[04:57] <pwnguin> you use an existing config file (or write a new one) and use that
[04:57] <bazhang> I have seven updates that are being held back and none other in the past couple of days; should I -f install those to open the way for more --am still on the -12 kernel which seems odd
[04:57] <franek> hi
[04:57] <danuel> twb: are you still here?
[04:57] <Luckrider> ok, thanks pwnguin, I am kind of new to this coing thing in Linux (I used to leach off of other untill I told my freind I wanted to learn how to do this on my Own)
[04:58] <franek> I have problem
[04:58] <pwnguin> Luckrider: also, wminput has a manpage. "man wmpinut"
[04:58] <Luckrider> ok, so what is a man page (see total noob)?
[04:58] <pwnguin> its an online manual
[04:59] <Luckrider> oh ok thanks, so how do I get to it?
[04:59] <Luckrider> or better thing to say is, where is it
[04:59] <pwnguin> a command line program called "man" will display manpages for programs. ie you bring up a terminal and type in "man wminput"
[04:59] <Luckrider> oh
[04:59] <Luckrider> thank you very much pwnguin
[04:59] <franek> I wond have menu bar with mac os and its not work any menu bar :(
[05:00] <pwnguin> Luckrider: nearly every program has one of those manpages
[05:00] <Luckrider> ok, thanks very much, that is good to know for future refernce
[05:01] <pwnguin> huh
[05:01] <pwnguin> apparently the system->help&support entry also handles manpages
[05:01] <danuel> twb: sorry, id meant usermod ... it's been a while since I modified users in linux ... daniel is added to disk, but problem still remains.  "you are not privileged to mount this volume"
[05:01] <franek> whu kant send me this file /usr/lib/libgtk-x11-2.0.so.0.1200.0 ?
[05:01] <Luckrider> oh, that is also good to know pwnguin
[05:03] <franek> come on :(
[05:05] <romulo> good night
[05:05] <romulo> why now gnome policy when acessing a samba share is to MOUNT it? thats so ugly..why i cant just navigate a folder and write and read files from it without a ugly icon show on my desktop and mounting it?
[05:06] <happy-sufferer>  ok. i have an odd problem.  currently, my ubuntu 7.10 cannot connect to internet due to wireless pci card problem. I installed Xubuntu 8.04 on a separate partition and wireless card works there. This is now what I want to do: I want to upgrade from Ubuntu 7.10 to ubuntu 8.04 without using any CD discs. Would it be possible to somehow download all the required files for Ubuntu 8.04 while logged on to Xubuntu 8.04?
[05:06] <Luckrider> can you hardline it to the internat?
[05:07] <Luckrider> *internet?
[05:07] <Luckrider> happy-sufferer
[05:07] <happy-sufferer> Luckrider: what does "hardline" mean?
[05:07] <happy-sufferer> opposite of "wireless"?
[05:07] <Luckrider> with an ethernet cable
[05:07] <happy-sufferer> nope.
[05:07] <Luckrider> oh
[05:08] <akk> happy-sufferer: How would you run 8.04 if it's not installed yet and you're not using a CD?
[05:08] <Luckrider> then I am not sure
[05:08] <happy-sufferer> can i somehow pull all the required files while in Xubuntu 8.04 ?
[05:08] <Luckrider> he said that he install it on a seperate partition
[05:08] <Luckrider> akk
[05:08] <happy-sufferer> akk, i thought maybe you can tell me how to do so with internet-ok Xubuntu 8.04 on a separate partition
[05:08] <Flannel> !install | happy-sufferer
[05:08] <ubotu> happy-sufferer: Ubuntu can be installed in a lot of ways. Please see https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Installation for documentation. Problems during install? See https://wiki.ubuntu.com/CommonProblemsInstall. Don't want to use a CD? Try http://tinyurl.com/3exghs - See also !automate
[05:08] <pwnguin> happy-sufferer: if you have the space, you could download an iso, and mount it loopback on your broken install
[05:08] <Flannel> happy-sufferer: The first link there has oodles of odd methods
[05:08] <akk> oh, 8.04 is running on one partition but you want to install it to another?
[05:09] <happy-sufferer> pwnguin: ok. how do i do so
[05:09] <akk> happy-sufferer: You might look into debootstrap; someone suggested it to me here yesterday and it worked just fine to install a base system onto another partition.
[05:09] <happy-sufferer> akk. currently, on my comp, i have Ubuntu 7.10 with internet problem; and Xubuntu 8.04 with working internet.
[05:09] <happy-sufferer> akk, each on its own partition
[05:10] <pwnguin> happy-sufferer: how much free space on each partition?
[05:10]  * akk is working on writing up that debootstrap procedure but got too tied up in trying to fix the udev problem
[05:10] <happy-sufferer> pwnguin: i think guided partition didn't leave me much room on the ubutu 7.10 partiion. but i can free up space there by about 8 gigs.
[05:11] <alex_mayorga> anyone that can help me out of this X errors:
[05:11] <alex_mayorga> (EE) VESA(0): No matching modes
[05:11] <alex_mayorga> (EE) Screen(s) found, but none have a usable configuration.
[05:11] <happy-sufferer> pwnguin: on xubuntu 8.04 partition, i think i have about 10 gigs or more of free space, but how can i confirm via terminal?
[05:11] <pwnguin> happy-sufferer: actually, you might be able to chroot and solve the problem
[05:11] <pwnguin> happy-sufferer: "df -h"
[05:11] <alex_mayorga> Fatal server error: no screens found
[05:11] <akk> happy-sufferer: df -h will tell you space available on all mounted partitions
[05:12] <happy-sufferer> pwnguin: on sda6 (xubuntu 8.04) i have 25Gigs avail
[05:12] <pwnguin> how about the other one?
[05:12] <happy-sufferer> pwnguin: how do i do the chroot solution?
[05:12] <happy-sufferer> pwnguin: df -h from withinh xubuntu 8.04 doesn't tell me about the other partition.
[05:12] <pwnguin> happy-sufferer: step one: identify the root partition of the other install
[05:12] <happy-sufferer> i think it's sd1
[05:13] <happy-sufferer> just a gues
[05:13] <akk> happy-sufferer: If you can mount the other partition, then df will tell you about it
[05:13] <happy-sufferer> can i mount from within xbuntu8.04?
[05:13] <happy-sufferer> i'm a newbie
[05:13] <happy-sufferer> 8-)
[05:13] <pwnguin> mount /dev/sda1 /mnt/sda1
[05:13] <critter`> the pulseaudio sound systems seems to have disappeared from my amarok.  anyone have amarok working under hardy ?
[05:13] <happy-sufferer> pwnguin: sda1 doesn't exist, according to terminal
[05:13] <pwnguin> /mnt/sda1?
[05:14] <happy-sufferer> how do i find out the correct location of ubuntu7.10?
[05:14] <akk> happy-sufferer: Try mounting it to just /mnt, not /mnt/sda1
[05:14] <happy-sufferer> mount: mount point /mnt/sda1 does not exist
[05:14] <pwnguin> akk: what happens if there were other mounts on /mnt?
[05:14] <pen> what does this do?? Option "AccelMethod" "exa"
[05:14] <pen> Option "MigrationHeuristic" "greedy"
[05:14] <pen> Option "ExaNoComposite" "true"
[05:14] <happy-sufferer> pwnguin: i was just guessing about sda1.
[05:14] <pwnguin> happy-sufferer: so make the directory ;) "sudo mkdir /mnt/sda1"
[05:14] <happy-sufferer> i may be wrong
[05:14] <akk> pwnguin: then it wouldn't be right, but I'm guessing there aren't and it seemed easier for a one-time fix than explaining how to mkdir
[05:14] <happy-sufferer> how can i confirm
[05:15] <T1m0thy> *sigh* Why can I log in sometimes perfectly fine and other times it says LOL CAN'T LOAD APPLET or LOL PANEL FAILED? Then I restart X and it works perfectly fine.. So confusing.
[05:15] <pwnguin> happy-sufferer: mounting shouldn't destroy anything
[05:15] <pwnguin> happy-sufferer: just make the dir and try the command again
[05:15] <happy-sufferer> ok
[05:15] <akk> happy-sufferer: You do need to figure out what partition you installed to. fdisk -l /dev/sda will tell you partition sizes, which might give you an idea.
[05:15] <happy-sufferer> pwnguin: done
[05:15] <happy-sufferer> sudo mount /dev/sda1 /mnt/sda1 <--- done
[05:16] <pwnguin> try df -h again
[05:16] <happy-sufferer> pwnguin: for /dev/sda1: Size is 34g. Used is 33G. Available is 173 Megs.
[05:16] <pwnguin> uh
[05:16] <happy-sufferer> pwnguin: i can free up about 10 Gigs of space there
[05:16] <happy-sufferer> by moving my personal  files onto my iPod
[05:17] <pwnguin> that would be handy
[05:17] <happy-sufferer> should I do that now?
[05:17] <pwnguin> 173 wont be enough to store the new packages =/
[05:17] <happy-sufferer> yes
[05:17] <happy-sufferer> shoudl i do that now?
[05:17] <pwnguin> yes
[05:17] <happy-sufferer> can i do so while inside xubuntu 8.04, or do i have to restart comp and choose to load ubuntu7.10?
[05:18] <pwnguin> im not familiar with xubuntu but
[05:18] <happy-sufferer> can i just delete the files while in xubuntu8.10?
[05:18] <pwnguin> if you navigate to /mnt/sda1
[05:18] <pwnguin> you should be able to delete and move files
[05:18] <happy-sufferer> ok. i'll try the "fileexplorer" program
[05:18] <pwnguin> with thunar or whatever
[05:19] <happy-sufferer> pwnguin: great. am now deleting an "audio" folder with 5 gigs.
[05:19] <pwnguin> that should be plenty of space ;)
[05:19] <happy-sufferer> pwnguin: great.
[05:20] <happy-sufferer> pwnguin: thank you by the way for your help. It's much appreciated. if you were here, i'd bake the deliciousu pizza that I have in the oven and share some with you! 8-)
[05:21] <happy-sufferer> 2 minutes remaining in the delete
[05:21] <amirman84> has anybody had any success getting flash videos to work on firefox yet?
[05:21] <pwnguin> happy-sufferer: there's two ways to go. you can try to run the whole update from 8.04 and just try to ignore the process restart failures, or you can download all the packages to the 7.10 install and reboot to finish the upgrade
[05:21] <amirman84> i'm using the GNU flash plugin by the way
[05:21] <happy-sufferer> pwnguin: i think you're misunderstanding a bit: while in 7.10, I can NOT use internet
[05:21] <alex_mayorga> how do I remount my NTFS partition? looks like I lost it at some point in time
[05:21] <happy-sufferer> while in Ubuntu 7.10, i can NOT use internet (duet to wileress pci card issues/kernel issues)
[05:22] <pwnguin> happy-sufferer: right. so you download the files to the 7.10 install while in 8.04, and then reboot into 7.10 and "apt-get upgrade"
[05:22] <happy-sufferer> ok. you understood all along.
[05:22] <pwnguin> they're both tricky
[05:22] <happy-sufferer> ok. 45 seconds left. so how do i do that now?
[05:22] <happy-sufferer> you seem a reliable guide. 8-)
[05:22] <pwnguin> step one is to chroot into your 7.10 install
[05:23] <pwnguin> "sudo chroot /mnt/sda1"
[05:23] <happy-sufferer> pwnguin: done. now there's a # in the terminal
[05:23] <pwnguin> right
[05:23] <happy-sufferer> (by the way, delete of 5 gigs is now done, too)
[05:23] <pwnguin> if you hit ls
[05:23] <pwnguin> you'll see the fs as if /mnt/sda1 were /
[05:23] <happy-sufferer> you want me to type "ls"?
[05:23] <happy-sufferer> ok.
[05:24] <happy-sufferer> i typed ls but i don't see "/" nor "mnt/sda1"
[05:24] <happy-sufferer> i do see "mnt" however
[05:24] <pwnguin> you should see something like initrd.img
[05:25] <pwnguin> and vmlinuz
[05:25] <happy-sufferer> i see those 2, yes!
[05:25] <pwnguin> that is the basic view from /
[05:25] <happy-sufferer> um, ok.
[05:25] <happy-sufferer> 8-)
[05:25] <pwnguin> anyways, technically, people say that the gui is the official upgrader, but i have no idea how that works in server installs
[05:26] <happy-sufferer> ok.
[05:26] <happy-sufferer> um, what's the next step?
[05:26] <pwnguin> so lets try "gedit /etc/apt/sources.list"
[05:27] <happy-sufferer> terminal says "cannot open display: "
[05:27] <happy-sufferer> ... after i do the gedit command.
[05:27] <pwnguin> fun
[05:27] <happy-sufferer> i have mousepad
[05:27] <Fritzel> what's the proper way to shut down X but keep the rest of the system up?
[05:27] <happy-sufferer> as a "text editor"
[05:27] <happy-sufferer> should i use that somehow?
[05:27] <pwnguin> perhaps
[05:28] <pwnguin> but recall we're after the chroot's sources.list
[05:28] <happy-sufferer> ok. what is "chroot"?
[05:28] <akk> Fritzel: ctl-alt-backspace will kill X, but if you're running gdm or another graphical login program it'll restart it.
[05:28] <Fritzel> yes I need to temporarily prevent it from running
[05:28] <pwnguin> chroot is a way to trick programs into running as if a new directory were the entire filesystem
[05:29] <akk> Fritzel: You can kill gdm (then restart it again later, if you want)
[05:29] <happy-sufferer> i tried "mousepad /etc/apt/sources.list" but terminal says "mousepad is not currently installed." tHat is strange, because i see mousepad in "application/accessories"
[05:29] <Fritzel> and in the case of Kubuntu kdm correct?
[05:29] <akk> Fritzel: right
[05:29] <Fritzel> akk:  isn't there a nicer way to do that than kill it?
[05:29] <pwnguin> happy-sufferer: for the moment, let's ignore that and try opening a new terminal window
[05:29] <happy-sufferer> sure.
[05:29] <akk> Fritzel: many window managers have an "exit" menu item, but I don't know if kde does
[05:29] <happy-sufferer> new tab is open
[05:29] <pwnguin> happy-sufferer: then run "sudo gedit /mnt/sda1/etc/apt/sources.list"
[05:30] <akk> Fritzel: Exiting from the window manager/desktop will usually exit X gracefully.
[05:30] <alex_mayorga> looks like I have Bug #208508 but when mounting
[05:30] <ubotu> Launchpad bug 208508 in ubuntu "Can't unmount windows partitions" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/208508
[05:30] <akk> Fritzel: As for gdm, it doesn't hurt anything to kill it.
[05:30] <akk> Fritzel: or kdm either
[05:30] <happy-sufferer> gedit: command not found.
[05:30] <happy-sufferer> should i install gedit first?
[05:30] <pwnguin> sure
[05:30] <happy-sufferer> ok.
[05:30] <Fritzel> akk: alright fair enough, just seems that killing it is a bit extreme, but that's alright it'll do the job, any special way I should invoke it when I'm ready to bring it back up?
[05:30] <pwnguin> it's more of a gnome program, but it should work with xubuntu
[05:31] <happy-sufferer> wow 18 MBs for a plain text editor. 8-)
[05:31] <akk> or install mousepad, if you like that better
[05:31] <alex_mayorga> I get "You are not privileged to mount this volume." when I try to browse my NTFS partition, any help?
[05:31] <happy-sufferer> akk, i already have mousepad in my menu, but running from terminal makes it seems that it's not installed.
[05:31] <pwnguin> i think mousepad is installed, but the chroot terminal wouldn't be able to find it
[05:31] <happy-sufferer> ok
[05:31] <Jordan_U> Fore some reason I don't have a "custom" option in gnome-control-center ( ccsm IS installed )
[05:31] <pwnguin> you could subsitute mousepad for gedit in that command and see what's up
[05:31] <Jordan_U> For Desktop Effects that is
[05:31] <happy-sufferer> pwnguin: i'm now in gedit --- sources.list thing
[05:31] <danuel> alex_mayorga: I have the same issue with Hardy.
[05:31] <alex_mayorga> happy-sufferer, you can always try nano :)
[05:32] <pwnguin> heh
[05:32] <voidmage> oh god.
[05:32] <alex_mayorga> danuel: do you know a work around?
[05:32] <danuel> not really
[05:32] <Fritzel> brb
[05:32] <danuel> I'm looking for som ehelp
[05:32] <pwnguin> happy-sufferer: alrighty. you see how those lines all say "gutsy" somewhere in em?
[05:32] <happy-sufferer> yes
[05:32] <alex_mayorga> I guess is just a matter of sudo "the right command" problem is I don't know the right command
[05:32] <happy-sufferer> acutally, on many lines
[05:33] <happy-sufferer> should i do a find-and-replace ?
[05:33] <pwnguin> sure
[05:33] <pwnguin> gutsy for hardy
[05:33] <alex_mayorga> danuel: lets subscribe to bug 208508 then, it looks closely related
[05:33] <ubotu> Launchpad bug 208508 in ubuntu "Can't unmount windows partitions" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/208508
[05:33] <danuel> earlier twb said "you have to add yourself to group disk" but that didn't work.
[05:33] <happy-sufferer> change ALL mention of  "gutsy" word for "hardy"? or just some?
[05:33] <pwnguin> just the ones that aren't comments
[05:33] <pwnguin> well,
[05:33] <danuel> ubotu: thanks
[05:33] <ubotu> You're welcome! But keep in mind I'm just a bot ;-)
[05:33] <happy-sufferer> i see
[05:33] <pwnguin> change me al
[05:33] <happy-sufferer> change em all?
[05:33]  * DanaG refuses to install the newer revision of the gdm theme.
[05:34] <pwnguin> no point in keeping references to gutsy when this is done
[05:34] <happy-sufferer> em=> them, yes?
[05:34] <happy-sufferer> ok
[05:34] <DanaG> It's all washed-out and pasty-faced.
[05:34] <pwnguin> DanaG: i'd just like my facebrowser back
[05:34] <alex_mayorga> DanaG: is it ugly?
[05:34] <DanaG> I think it is.
[05:34] <DanaG> The older one looked better.
[05:34] <alex_mayorga> looks kind of nice to me
[05:34] <DanaG> The new one makes me think it'll get a sunburn.
[05:34] <Jordan_U> Looks over exposed
[05:34] <happy-sufferer> pwnguin: all done. (all "Gutsy" words are now "hardy".)
[05:34] <pwnguin> happy-sufferer: also, if you have any silly 3rd party repos, this is the time to remove them
[05:35] <happy-sufferer> pwnguin: for example, deb http://archive.ubuntulinux.jp/ubuntu-ja hardy/ ???
[05:35] <happy-sufferer> how do i know which is 3rd party, can i show you in a pastebin?
[05:35] <pwnguin> sure, throw the whole file in a pastebin
[05:35] <pwnguin> is ubuntulinux.jp owned by canonical?
[05:35] <danuel> ubuotu: the problem is that we can't "mount" ... I'm not sure if bug 208508 is related.
[05:35] <ubotu> Launchpad bug 208508 in ubuntu "Can't unmount windows partitions" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/208508
[05:36] <happy-sufferer> pwnguin: http://pastebin.com/m1ef1032d
[05:36] <happy-sufferer> pwnguin: i don't know whether ubuntulinux.jp is owned by canonical, but i got that line from wiki.ubuntu.com/help or something like that.
[05:37] <danuel> alex_mayorga: do you think the "mount" problem is related to the "unmount" bug?
[05:38] <happy-sufferer> pwnguin: i do not mind deleting the ubunulinux.jp line for safetysake
[05:38] <pwnguin> happy-sufferer: so uh... whats with all the mirrors.kernel.org?
[05:38] <pwnguin> happy-sufferer: you can just comment the line with a # and remove the # later
[05:39] <alex_mayorga> Jordan_U want to help me figure out my nvidia trouble from the afternoon?
[05:39] <alex_mayorga> I now have new developments :)
[05:39] <alex_mayorga> now I get (EE) Screen(s) found, but none have a usable configuration. :(
[05:39] <pwnguin> happy-sufferer: also, the cdrom lines need fixing. its "hardy heron" and "gutsy gibbon". they should be changed to match "hardyt heron"
[05:39] <happy-sufferer> i don't remember re: kernels.org lines
[05:40] <Flannel> no.  Just comment those out entirely.  They won't work by just changing.  You need to use apt-cdrom add to add CDs to the repos
[05:40] <happy-sufferer> Flannel: i'm confused.
[05:40] <pwnguin> happy-sufferer: as Flannel said, juist comment out those deb cdrom: lines
[05:40] <happy-sufferer> Flannel: do you know what we're trying to do? 8-)
[05:40] <happy-sufferer> okie dokie
[05:41] <alex_mayorga> danuel, I do think it is, but I might be wrong
[05:41] <Jordan_U> alex_mayorga, Do you have an Xorg.conf from another Distro / Version that did work?
[05:41] <pwnguin> but i have no idea what's going on with that list
[05:41] <happy-sufferer> pwnguin: me neither. 8-(
[05:42] <happy-sufferer> shoild i comment out the kernel lines , too?
[05:42] <alex_mayorga> Jordan_U, there are many old ones from previous updates, this machine has had ubuntu since feisty but has been updated to almost every alpha/beta since then
[05:42] <pwnguin> happy-sufferer: if you do that'l you'll be without any sources of packages!
[05:43] <happy-sufferer> what should i do with the sources.list? I'm quite confused. 8-(
[05:43] <DanaG> I do dislike the newest gdm theme.
[05:43] <pwnguin> happy-sufferer: what we're trying to do is switch it to the hardy set of repositories
[05:43] <alex_mayorga> the tricky bit is that this specific laptop has a broken LCD and I've plugged it to my LCD TV in the hopes of roll out mythTV one day
[05:43] <happy-sufferer> pwnguin: ok. that's clear.
[05:43] <pwnguin> happy-sufferer: but your system's clearly been heavily customized
[05:43] <happy-sufferer> pwnguin: yeah. what happneed?
[05:43] <alex_mayorga> so I certainly have a quirky configuration going
[05:43] <happy-sufferer> and what should i do to make our adventure work?
[05:44] <Jordan_U> alex_mayorga, I assume you have tried "sudo dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg -phigh" and "sudo mv /etc/X11/xorg.conf /etc/X11/xorg.conf.inactive" ?
[05:44] <happy-sufferer> should i just try to get and copy the official 8.04 sources list from somewhere?
[05:44] <x1250> alex_mayorga: I plan to do the same (upgrade to alphas/betas as they're available). Many headaches for doing that?
[05:44] <pwnguin> happy-sufferer: thats what im thinking
[05:44] <happy-sufferer> hmm. where can they be found?
[05:44] <Jordan_U> alex_mayorga, The second command simply to force X to try to figure things out on it's own when it can't find the xorg.conf
[05:45] <happy-sufferer> does anybody here have official (uncustomized) sources.list for Ubuntu (gnome) 8.04 Beta?
[05:45] <x1250> I think I have it happy-sufferer, wait
[05:45] <Flannel> happy-sufferer: Go to software sources and create one
[05:45] <alex_mayorga> x1250, I've been doing that since the very first hardy "release" long ago, not major breakage really
[05:45] <pwnguin> Flannel: the challenge is xubuntu versus gnome ubuntu
[05:45] <happy-sufferer> Flannel: i'm in software sorces. now how do we create it?
[05:46] <x1250> happy-sufferer: http://200.104.92.54:8000/
[05:46] <happy-sufferer> Flannel: oh yeah. what pwnguin said.
[05:46] <Flannel> pwnguin: xubuntu sources are identical to ubuntu sources.
[05:46] <pwnguin> happy-sufferer: http://pastebin.com/mf5c535c
[05:46] <alex_mayorga> Jordan_U, I've tried the first one to no avail, let me try the mv and see if it can figure it out
[05:46] <alex_mayorga> Jordan_U fpr the record this is the TV http://www.amazon.com/Samsung-LNT2653H-26-inch-LCD-HDTV
[05:47] <happy-sufferer> x1250: your list is for people living in  .de ?
[05:47] <happy-sufferer> i think i should use pwnguin'.s
[05:48] <danuel> alex_mayorga: I think you're right.  Let's try and bring it to to attention.
[05:48] <happy-sufferer> pwnguin: ok. i'm using the sources.list you linked to now.
[05:48] <x1250> not really, I live in south america, but I like .de servers.
[05:48] <pwnguin> happy-sufferer: ok. now to test it
[05:48] <happy-sufferer> ok. so first i save thi file, and get out of gedit, yes?
[05:49] <pwnguin> happy-sufferer: yes
[05:49] <happy-sufferer> ok, pwnguin. done
[05:49] <pwnguin> happy-sufferer: go back to the chroot'd term and "apt-get update"
[05:49] <alex_mayorga> Jordan_U: so I move my .conf and then xinit?
[05:49] <happy-sufferer> pwnguin: do that from within xubuntu 8.04 beta partition, yes?
[05:49] <pwnguin> happy-sufferer: the chroot'd terminal is that one
[05:50] <happy-sufferer> ok.
[05:50] <happy-sufferer> pwnguin: done. "E: Some index files failed to download, they have been ignored, or old ones used instead."
[05:50] <Jordan_U> alex_mayorga, yup
[05:50] <pwnguin> happy-sufferer: all of them?
[05:50] <alex_mayorga> cross your fingers :)
[05:50] <happy-sufferer> oh, wait. error message. i'll paste into pastebin. pls hold
[05:51]  * DanaG is lucky to have working hotkey display switching.
[05:51] <DanaG> But it doesn't change video modes, oddly enough.
[05:52] <happy-sufferer> pwnguin: http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/62097/
[05:52] <happy-sufferer> Very many error messages
[05:52] <akk> Having it on a key is nice, DanaG! Seems like hardly any laptops do that in linux.
[05:52] <happy-sufferer> i tried adding "sudo" but there's still error messages
[05:53] <bazhang> I have seven updates being held back on Hardy and none in the last couple of days; should I force the install of those and then get more as a result? am currently on the -12 kernel which seems much lower than others here
[05:53] <DanaG> Sometimes I get this odd issue, though: the ACPI temperature will jump up to a bogus reading of 70 or 80 C, and the fans will rev up quite far.  It'll stick that way until I reboot.
[05:53] <akk> gutsy broke something about video switching back in january, which is partly why I'm determined to get hardy going (it doesn't seem to have the bug)
[05:54] <pwnguin> happy-sufferer: for some reason, the chroot can't resolve names =(
[05:54] <happy-sufferer> uh oh. should we try the second strategy?
[05:54] <akk> Does the chroot have /etc/resolv.conf?
[05:54] <happy-sufferer> akk, how do you mean?
[05:55] <akk> happy-sufferer: /etc/resolv.conf is how it figures out the nameserver for getting hostnames
[05:55] <happy-sufferer> akk, so how do i find out the answer to the question?
[05:55] <akk> happy-sufferer: so if you didn't copy that from your working system, that would explain name resolution not working
[05:55] <bazhang> any conjectures on the held back updates and whether I should force them or not? am still on the -12 kernel which seems odd
[05:55] <akk> happy-sufferer: cat /etc/resolv.conf
[05:56] <happy-sufferer> akk:  do i do that from the chroot terminal, or from a regular terminal (xubuntu 8.04 beta)
[05:56] <happy-sufferer> ?
[05:56] <Jordan_U> bazhang, Try a "sudo apt-get update" , the OpenOffice problems should be fixed
[05:56] <happy-sufferer> akk, # generated by NetworkManager, do not edit! <--- from within the chroot terminal
[05:56] <akk> happy-sufferer: Do one from the chroot terminal, and another from a non-chroot terminal, and see if they're the same.
[05:56] <pwnguin> happy-sufferer: and something like "nameserver 192.168.1.1"?
[05:56] <happy-sufferer> they're different.
[05:57] <akk> happy-sufferer: Okay, then from a non-chrooted root terminal, cp /etc/resolv.conf /mnt/sda1/etc/resolv.conf
[05:57] <akk> (if I'm remembering right where this thing is mounted)
[05:57] <happy-sufferer> pwnguin:  you mean to see whether "nameserver xx.xx.xx.xx" is in the cat printout?
[05:58] <pwnguin> just follow akk's directions on that. it looks plausible
[05:58] <happy-sufferer> akk: i added "sudo" and did your command.
[05:58] <pwnguin> happy-sufferer: try the apt-get update now
[05:58] <graft_> can someone help me out with cmake? I'm building this thing that says it needs Xine 1.1.9, which I have installed, and I can't figure out what CMake does to determine if it's installed (ergo where it's going wrong)
[05:58] <happy-sufferer> it's working, pwnguin, akk!
[05:58] <akk> yay!
[05:59] <happy-sufferer> you guys are amazing
[05:59]  * akk gets distracted by a raccoon at the door
[05:59] <happy-sufferer> into IT consulting, akk?
[05:59] <DanaG> wtf?
[05:59] <akk> happy-sufferer: Yes, though generally not tech support calls :)
[05:59] <DanaG> quodlibet won't play anything now!
[05:59] <DanaG> Thu Apr  3 21:59:31 2008: GStreamer encountered a general resource error.
[05:59] <bazhang> Jordan_U: thanks; I tried that and the same result--perhaps the fact I have not gone to kde4 is the reason so much is held back
[06:00] <happy-sufferer> apt-get update is now done, akk, pwnguin
[06:00] <Fritzel> ok really easy question for you guys, how do I change the clock in kubuntu hardy to a 12 hour clock
[06:00] <pwnguin> alrighty. that brought the data about packages into your old install. now we have to make a choice. the proper way to this would be to have apt download the packages only, then reboot to install them all, but you'll be without net during the actual install
[06:01] <happy-sufferer> well, i won't need the net during install, right? and, if my hunches are correct, my wireless pci card will work with ubuntu 8.04 beta (as it does with Xubuntu 8.04 beta).
[06:01] <pwnguin> right
[06:01] <alex_mayorga> Jordan_U, failed to load module "type1"
[06:01] <happy-sufferer> so what did you say about choice? what was the other option?
[06:02] <pwnguin> the other option is we upgrade the system from the chroot and hope nothing terrible happens
[06:02] <happy-sufferer> and anyway, the install will not affect the xubuntu 8.04 beta partition, right?
[06:02] <pwnguin> right
[06:02] <pwnguin> if it fails, you should be able to just reboot
[06:02] <pwnguin> and jump back into xubuntu
[06:03] <bazhang> happy-sufferer: you all set now? ;]
[06:03] <pwnguin> in that case from the chroot run "apt-get dist-upgrade -d"
[06:03] <happy-sufferer> pwnguin: akk, what's the better option: upgrade system from chroot OR download packages first in xubuntu and then reboot into ubuntu 7.10 and then install from there?
[06:03] <happy-sufferer> hi bazhang, good to see you.
[06:03] <bazhang> happy-sufferer: told you to come here ;]
[06:03] <pwnguin> im starting to think that download first is the better option here, and that command should download them only
[06:04] <happy-sufferer> pwnguin: ok. let's take that route, if you think it's better/safer.
[06:04] <happy-sufferer> ready for orders, captain. 8-)
[06:04] <akk> I suspect pwnguin's right, downloading first is safer.
[06:04] <pwnguin> happy-sufferer: from the chroot run "apt-get dist-upgrade -d"
[06:04] <pwnguin> -d tells apt to download only
[06:04] <akk> There might be a few packages that would like to talk to the net, but most won't need it.
[06:05] <happy-sufferer> akk, great.
[06:05] <happy-sufferer> ok here goes. 766 mb of archives to get.
[06:06] <happy-sufferer> akk: those "few packages that need the net" can wait until after the upgrade, correct?
[06:06] <pwnguin> probably
[06:06] <akk> happy-sufferer: yeah, they should be okay
[06:06] <happy-sufferer> thanks.
[06:06] <pwnguin> anyways, once that's done in a few hours or whatever
[06:06] <happy-sufferer> oh yeah, it takes that long, eh?
[06:07] <White_Magic> was the problem fixed yet?
[06:07] <akk> ubuntu's actual installer has a hissy fit if it can't see a net, but installing packages shouldn't really need it
[06:07] <happy-sufferer> I guess I should ask you now what the remaining steps are
[06:07] <pwnguin> you should just be able to reboot, log in and run "sudo apt-get dist-upgrade"
[06:07] <happy-sufferer> pwnguin: log in to the Ubuntu 7.04, correct?
[06:07] <White_Magic> Did they fix the kernal problem?
[06:07] <happy-sufferer> sorry.
[06:07] <happy-sufferer> i meant ubuntu 7.10
[06:07] <happy-sufferer>  correct?
[06:07] <DanaG> !aptitude
[06:07] <ubotu> aptitude is another terminal-based front-end to APT. Like other APT front-ends, it can install/remove packages and their dependencies (on Dapper and earlier, however, only aptitude keeps track of unused dependencies). See https://help.ubuntu.com/community/AptitudeSurvivalGuide
[06:07] <DanaG> ncurses UI rocks!
[06:08] <pwnguin> happy-sufferer: yes
[06:08] <happy-sufferer> after i do  "sudo apt-get dist-upgrade" from within ubuntu7.10, what next.
[06:08] <pwnguin> well, you answer questions the install might ask
[06:08] <akk> there'll probably be a lot of questions
[06:09] <pwnguin> you know
[06:09] <pwnguin> the gui installer will probably notice as well
[06:09] <pwnguin> that there's updates available
[06:09] <happy-sufferer> oh, i don't remember there being questions when i upgraded last time. but it's probably my faulty memory
[06:10] <pwnguin> happy-sufferer: well maybe you'll be lucky. i always get questions about conf files
[06:10] <happy-sufferer> pwnguin: how would i know what to choose... if i can't connect to the net and ask people like you?
[06:10] <White_Magic> Anyone Here me? Yesturday we where complaining about Problems with kernal and restricted modules
[06:10] <pwnguin> happy-sufferer: normally i just go with the package's defaults, unless i know what I changed and that the new chagnes are harmless
[06:10] <White_Magic> and you guys where saying was going to be fixed..
[06:10] <happy-sufferer> ok. i see
[06:10] <happy-sufferer> i'll just click yes, or hit enter, eh?
[06:10] <pwnguin> heh
[06:10] <pwnguin> the diffs should give you a clue
[06:11] <pwnguin> if the only + lines have #'s on them, it's just a comment that you can ignore
[06:11] <happy-sufferer> diffs? what are you referring to. I'm lost
[06:11] <akk> happy-sufferer: The defaults will mostly keep your current version -- it might be better to take the package maintainer's version in cases where you don't know.
[06:12] <akk> happy-sufferer: It gives you those two options, plus an option to see the differences between the two
[06:12] <akk> happy-sufferer: If you don't understand a question, then the diffs probably won't help
[06:12] <happy-sufferer> default would keep curret version as opposed to a newer version?
[06:12] <alex_mayorga> Jordan_U, failed to load module "nvidia" (module does not exist, 0)
[06:12] <akk> right, default keeps current version
[06:13] <happy-sufferer> akk:  isn't newer better, generally speaking/
[06:13] <happy-sufferer> L
[06:13] <happy-sufferer> ?
[06:13]  * DanaG takes his laptop outside, and watches the GDM theme get a sunburn.
[06:13] <DanaG> HAH!
[06:13] <pwnguin> happy-sufferer: newer can mean losing your customizations
[06:13] <DanaG> ... oh wait, it's nighttime.
[06:13] <akk> happy-sufferer: especially for networking, you don't necessarily want the current version since it isn't working :)
[06:13] <DanaG> Hah.
[06:13] <happy-sufferer> pwnguin: i don't mind losing my customizations. BTW, what customizations are you talking about?
[06:13] <akk> happy-sufferer: but like pwnguin says, if there's anything you might have customized, you'd want to keep that
[06:13] <pwnguin> happy-sufferer: well, like say a custom gdm theme ;)
[06:14] <happy-sufferer> akk, yes, i got to remmeber that i should NOT choose "Current Version" in "networking" config pages during install.
[06:14] <akk> happy-sufferer: For instance, if you've defined a printer, then installing the default cups files might mean it forgets about your printer
[06:15] <happy-sufferer> pwnguin: there is one customization that i've made in ubuntu 7.10, and that's with randr (dual monitor setup), but i don't mind losing that customization, and seeing whath 8.04 ubuntu has to offer.
[06:15] <happy-sufferer> Maybe in some cases "Keep current version" means not enjoying the progress that 8.04 has made over 7.10, correct?
[06:16] <DanaG> Hint: press 'd' to see differences.
[06:16] <DanaG> And then complain about 'less' being broken.
[06:16] <pwnguin> happy-sufferer: in my experience, keep the current version means fixing spelling and thats about it =/
[06:16] <DanaG> Not a fully-featured terminal in update-manager.
[06:16] <happy-sufferer> DanaG: who you talking to? me?
[06:16] <akk> happy-sufferer: correct, keep current version may mean not getting an 8.04 updated version
[06:16] <DanaG> I guess so.
[06:16] <pwnguin> err, what im trying to say is, most times the diffs are spelling fixes =(
[06:16] <DanaG> About new config file versions.
[06:17] <happy-sufferer> pwnguin: oh, i get it now.
[06:17] <happy-sufferer> just spelling fixes
[06:17] <pwnguin> but if you havent done anything, you might as well not take the chance
[06:17] <pwnguin> once in a while a big change comes along and you want it
[06:18] <DanaG> I want the previous-version gdm theme back -- I mean, I can install it myself, but it's still the now-ugly default.
[06:18] <happy-sufferer> pwnguin: you mean, i should choose not to keep current version, unless I really have to keep current version.
[06:18] <DanaG> Thus, it may turn off other people to Ubuntu, if the login screen is ugly.
[06:18] <DanaG> Oh, and my current desktop theme:
[06:18] <keith-> dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg doesn't let me set my screen resolution anymore... is there another way to do it besides just hacking my xorg.conf?
[06:18] <DanaG> www.csc.calpoly.edu/~dgoyette/screenshot-orange-nodoka.png
[06:19] <danuel> alex_mayorga: re "not privileged" to mount ntfs, have you seen http://www.ntfs-3g.org/support.html#useroption3
[06:20] <pwnguin> happy-sufferer: yea. if there's any doubt at all, take the maintainer's version. you can always reset it up later, as long as the net's working ;)
[06:21] <happy-sufferer> pwnguin: when you say "mainainer's version" do you mean the opposite of "current version"?
[06:21] <pwnguin> yes
[06:21] <happy-sufferer> gotcha, thanks.
[06:26] <alex_mayorga> how do I completely remove the nvidia module so I can fall back to vesa for good?
[06:27] <DanaG> Who decided to change the GDM theme?
[06:28] <DanaG> Oh, and is there now a wiki page about it?
[06:28] <DanaG> And has the latest wallpaper been wiki'd?
[06:28] <pwnguin> these are probably questions for #ubuntu-art
[06:28] <pwnguin>  #ubuntu-artwork
[06:30] <DanaG> Is the Heron going to be the default?
[06:31] <DanaG> Oh yeah, it might look even better with: previous revision GDM, and then wallpaper being a variation (not a way-different color) of that background, with the Heron on top.
[06:31] <alex_mayorga> danuel: did you get it working?
[06:32] <DanaG> The color of the previous-revision GDM theme is more cheerful than the murky color now.
[06:32] <alex_mayorga> DanaG, do you have a NTFS partition lying around?
[06:32] <DanaG> Yup.
[06:32] <DanaG> /dev/sda3 on /media/Vista type fuseblk (rw,nosuid,nodev,noatime,allow_other,blksize=4096)
[06:32] <DanaG> odd.... STILL ignoring the nls=utf-8 parameter.
[06:34] <DanaG> ... and thus files will be missing.
[06:34] <DanaG> It's kinda' hard to play some of my music when the directory simply doesn't appear.
[06:35] <DanaG> Example filename:
[06:36] <DanaG> or rather, folder:  Music/梶浦由記 - .hack--SIGN Original Sound & Song Track 1/
[06:36] <pwnguin> its doing you a favor
[06:36] <DanaG> Yes, kanji filename -- simply because it's cool.
[06:36] <pwnguin> we both know .hack has no quality music :P
[06:36] <DanaG> Well, granted, I haven't listened to those ones in a while.
[06:37] <DanaG> The music from Noir is better.
[06:37] <DanaG> But that's beside the point.
[06:38] <danuel> alex_mayorga: no, I'm still investigating... look at https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/ntfs-3g/+bug/205081
[06:38] <ubotu> Launchpad bug 205081 in ntfs-3g "ntfs-3g will mount as root only, breaks mounting as user" [Undecided,New]
[06:40] <alex_mayorga> danuel, I guess we two can confirm that one
[06:40] <danuel> Yes...
[06:40] <danuel> Let's do it,
[06:40] <alex_mayorga> DanaG, can you?
[06:40] <captain> hey guys, just done upgrading gutsy to heron, sound has an extreme static in it now like the speakers are blasted , any ideas ?
[06:40] <DanaG> http://suseforums.net/index.php?showtopic=39910
[06:40] <DanaG> I don't mount as user, actually.
[06:40] <DanaG> Let me check my external partition... though the journal is likely dirty.
[06:41] <DanaG> http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=307827
[06:41] <DanaG> Yup, dirty volume.
[06:42] <DanaG> Oh yeah, if I have the same volume in fstab twice, will it try two entries Sequentially?
[06:43] <DanaG> Oops, caps was from part-tab-completing Sev<tab> accidentally.
[06:43] <DanaG> UUID=C4DA9F12DA9EFFBA                           /media/Vista    ntfs-3g defaults,nls=utf8,locale=en_US.UTF-8,rw                         0 0
[06:43] <DanaG> UUID=C4DA9F12DA9EFFBA                           /media/Vista    ntfs-3g defaults,nls=utf8,locale=en_US.UTF-8,ro                         0 0
[06:43] <captain> static in sound on heron ... anyone ? ...
[06:43] <DanaG> ntfs-3g REEEEEEEeeeeeeeeeeeally needs a fallback to RO on error.
[06:43] <DanaG> EEEEEEeeeeeeeeally.
[06:44] <shasbot> i am having trouble recording from my microphone
[06:44] <shasbot> it plays through the headphones or speakers when i speak into it, but no programs seem to be able to record it
[06:44]  * DanaG wonders whether any conferences are anywhere near the central coast USA.
[06:45] <DanaG> It might be interesting to go to a Linux conference some time.
[06:45] <alex_mayorga> danuel: did you subscribed to the bug?
[06:45] <danuel> alex_mayorga: yes
[06:45] <alex_mayorga> DanaG, would you say that the bug is confirm able  then?
[06:45] <DanaG> It didn't mount due to volume being dirty; permissions weren't the issue for me.
[06:46] <DanaG> I may try firing up my XP VM and connecting the drive to it to chkdsk, then try again.
[06:46] <DanaG> ooooooh, cool wallpapers: www.vladstudio.com
[06:46] <DanaG> Really random, though -- I really AM random sometimes.
[06:46] <alex_mayorga> :)
[06:47] <captain> guys, anyone knows what could cause static sound in heron after gutsy upgrade.
[06:48] <alex_mayorga> DanaG, in my case it clearly says "You are not privileged to mount this volume."
[06:48] <DanaG> interesting... audigy2 does float32le.
[06:48] <Daisuke_Ido> DanaG, get wallpapers free...  unless you happen to be on widescreen
[06:49] <DanaG> ... or use the largest, which is widescreen.
[06:49] <captain> anyone ... no ? :(
[06:49] <Daisuke_Ido> 1600x1200 isn't widescreen
[06:50] <DanaG> One of them is.
[06:50] <DanaG> Or use Zoom.
[06:50] <akk> or crop it in gimp
[06:50] <captain> alright ... not a whole lot of help here... thanks anyway.
[06:51] <DanaG> wtf? keyboard in vbox is broken.
[06:51] <Ray_> Need Help on Totem. Totem is not playing Live mms streams. I'm using Hardy. Strangely in 7.10 totem is working correctly. Am I missing something?
[06:51] <akk> captain: I don't know, but one thing you could try is using the old kernel to see if it's a kernel problem
[06:51] <jimiridge> i use the mplayer mozilla plugin
[06:51] <akk> (you'd probably have to copy over the /lib/modules stuff)
[06:52] <jimiridge> or just use something besides totem
[06:52] <jimiridge> i think totem sux
[06:52] <jimiridge> copy the stream link and drop in another prog
[06:53] <Ray_> Well, in VLC it's working. But I was trying to play that in Totem. In fact in 7.10 totem is playing that link perfectly.
[06:53] <captain> akk , got the command to roll back to old kernel ? newb to linux buddy .sorry
[06:54] <akk> captain: No, I was just talking about copying it from an older release -- no idea if there's a package to formally roll it back
[06:54] <Ray_> I was just wondering why it is not working in hardy. The stream is getting downloaded and the first frame is also showing up, but then the video is not moving. Although Totem is responding and it is downloading the stream.
[06:54] <akk> captain: I tend to have tons of kernels sitting around in /boot
[06:55] <cwillu> akk, what's your oldest kernel? :p
[06:56] <cwillu> Ray_, what's the url?
[06:56] <captain> akk so i got the live cd for gutsy , if i mount , whats the command to copy the kernel or where would i find this kernel to copy it to my /boot
[06:56] <akk> cwillu: 2.4.something :)
[06:56] <cwillu> akk, okay, nvm :p
[06:57] <akk> captain: If you can mount the live CD, kernels are probably just in /boot there, and the corresponding modules are in /lib/modules
[06:57] <Ray_> cwillu : the url is : mms://a150.l2584248272.c25842.g.lm.akamaistream.net/D/150/25842/v0001/reflector:48272
[06:57] <akk> captain: oh, for ubuntu kernels you'll probably also need the initrd.img from /boot
[06:58] <cwillu> Ray_, congrats, you just segfaulted my totem :p
[06:58] <Ray_> cwillu: I am so sorry. You tried to help me out and this is not what was expected. I am feeling extremely sorry for this.
[06:59] <akk> captain: Actually, if you haven't done this before it might be more trouble than it's worth
[06:59] <cwillu> Ray_, heh, I'm just kidding, I don't have anything important running in totem
[06:59] <keith-> so anyone have any clue why, after this last update, nvidia isn't in my hardware manager?
[06:59] <cwillu> does it consistently though
[06:59] <Ray_> cwillu : I am no expert and have no knowledge in this regard but you can try installing the gstreamer codecs (all) then I believe it will work.
[07:00] <captain> akk , yeah i haven't done it before . im willing to give it a shot though, let me ask you this. Can i roll back to Gutsy by any chance ?
[07:00] <cwillu> Ray_, nah, the fact that it crashes is already a bug (believe I have all the codecs installed already)
[07:00] <Ray_> cwillu : That's fine. I am relieved.
[07:00] <akk> captain: You could try taking a gutsy kernel package and installing it with dpkg -i whatever.deb
[07:00] <Ray_> cwillu : yes I think so.
[07:00] <akk> captain: I don't know if that would work or not, never tried it.
[07:01] <Ray_> Because the stream is working correctly in 7.10. The problem is this is not working on VLC. It's only working on Mplayer.
[07:01] <captain> Hmm, if i start this i know im going to miss work again just like last night. I happen to spend hours reading articles and testing...then oops im 1 hour late to work.
[07:01] <Ray_> cwillu : Because the stream is working correctly in 7.10. The problem is this is not working on VLC. It's only working on Mplayer. But there also it is playing and stopping and playing.
[07:02] <ether_c> does anyone here have an ntfs formatted usb external hard drive working with hardy?
[07:02] <akk> captain: yeah, that seems to be an occupational hazard of updating distros :(
[07:02] <captain> I'll just stick to winblows for now until the official heron is out.
[07:03] <cwillu> ether_c, not with me right now, but I've have two users that use ntfs usb with hardy
[07:03] <ether_c> I'm just trying to figure out why mine isn't working
[07:04] <ether_c> it "mounts" and the icon appears on the desktop
[07:04] <ether_c> but the folder is blank
[07:04] <ether_c> I had to do a "mount as root" workaround in kubuntu feisty
[07:04] <ether_c> but I'm not sure how to do it in ubuntu hardy
[07:04] <Daisuke_Ido> chown the mountpoint?
[07:06] <ether_c> oh, I can access it from the command line
[07:06] <ether_c> that's weird
[07:06] <cwillu> ether_c, how does it behave under a hardy livecd?
[07:06] <ether_c> but not from nautilus
[07:06] <danuel> there seems to be a big issue with Hardy and mounting/unmounting ntfs ... should this be elevated to an important bug?
[07:06] <cwillu> wondering if there's some device history being stored that's screwing you up
[07:06] <ether_c> cwillu: I'm not sure, I'm running hardy beta right now
[07:06] <ether_c> and I don't have the cd with me
[07:06] <cwillu> well, that's no fun :p
[07:07] <danuel> ether__c: what "mount as root" workaround did you use?  do you have a link to a step by step how to
[07:07] <ether_c> weird, all the folders are highlighted with a green background in the console
[07:07] <ether_c> danuel: this was in kde 3.5, I went to dolphin's options and there was a checkbox that said "mount as user"
[07:07] <ether_c> I un-checked it
[07:08] <ether_c> sorry, I right clicked on the drive, then hit preferences
[07:08] <ether_c> then did that
[07:08] <danuel> ether__c: do you know if there is a similar option in gnome? ubuntu
[07:08] <ether_c> unfortunately that doesn't work in kde4 (I've tried) there's no option
[07:08] <ether_c> but I'm using gnome right now
[07:08] <ether_c> on a fresh install
[07:10] <ether_c> interesting, if I do an ls -l on the drive from the console, it seems that all the files are 777'd by default
[07:10] <danuel> Does anyone else have a problem with Hardy and NTFS partitions?
[07:11] <ether_c> yet I can't "see" them through nautilus
[07:12] <ether_c> does anyone have ntfs external drives working at all?
[07:13] <jimiridge> bah im too good for windows garbage
[07:14] <danuel> Common guys, if we want ubuntu to continue to grow, it has to play nice with ntfs without a glich.
[07:14] <jimiridge> best thing you can do with windows partitions is mkfs.ext3 /dev/windowspartition
[07:14] <ether_c> actually, this is an external hard drive
[07:14] <ether_c> not windows specifically
[07:14] <DanaG> We need fallback to RO on failure to RW!
[07:14] <danuel> Does anyone have ability to mount internal ntfs without sudo?
[07:15] <DanaG> Otherwise.... things just aren't mounted at all.  That's bad.
[07:16] <danuel> DanaG: I forced a mount on a dirty drive by "sudo mount -t ntfs-3g /dev/sda3 /media/sda3 -o force", but it mounted as RO, not RW.  Do you know why?
[07:16] <DanaG> need 'rw' also.
[07:17] <omar_> I have a problem with screensavers, they don't work properly, I think it's probably because of Compiz.
[07:19] <DanaG> !gnome-screensaver
[07:19] <DanaG> it !!!sucks
[07:20] <CyberCod> lack of config options sucks yeah
[07:20] <danuel> DanaG: how do you unmount in Hardy ?  unmount: command not found!
[07:21] <DanaG> just umount, oddly enough.
[07:21] <CyberCod> umount
[07:21] <danuel> ah ...
[07:21] <danuel> spelling.
[07:22] <CyberCod> :)
[07:23] <ether_c> so, it turns out my drive is mounted after all
[07:23] <ether_c> but it's mounted strangely
[07:23] <ether_c> and nautilus doesn't like it
[07:23] <DanaG> Odd: http://troy-sobotka.blogspot.com/2008/03/hardy-heron-wallpaper-fela-kuti-botch.html
[07:23] <ether_c> but read/write works
[07:23] <happy-sufferer> pwnguin: download complete. !
[07:23] <happy-sufferer> time to go and apt-get dist-upgrade them, pwnguin. see you soon.
[07:23] <ether_c> nautilus reports the filesystem as "fuseblk"
[07:24] <CyberCod> Hmmm
[07:24] <CyberCod> that IS weird
[07:24] <ether_c> I ran ntfsfix on it with no effect
[07:24] <ether_c> I can still access it from the command line
[07:24] <CyberCod> does it have a win install on it?
[07:24] <ether_c> which is acceptable.. for now I guess
[07:24] <ether_c> no, it's just an external drive
[07:24] <CyberCod> important docs?
[07:25] <ether_c> music : )
[07:25] <CyberCod> ah
[07:25] <CyberCod> if it were me I'd switch it to ext3
[07:26] <CyberCod> if you can access it RO you can get your stuff off of it
[07:26] <ether_c> that would work, but I don't think windows supports ext3
[07:26] <ether_c> and there aren't really any "compromise" filesystems
[07:26] <CyberCod> there's something you can install for that actually
[07:26] <ether_c> because fat32 would suck for a drive like that
[07:26] <CyberCod> hang on I'll find the name of it for you
[07:27] <ether_c> besides, this way I can use it on pretty much any windows pc
[07:28] <bazhang> windows has filedrvers to recognize ext2/ext3
[07:29] <CyberCod> ext2ifs_1_10c
[07:29] <ether_c> interesting
[07:29] <ether_c> I'll check that out
[07:29] <CyberCod> its an installable filesystem driver
[07:29] <CyberCod> works beautifully
[07:29] <bazhang> www.fs-drivers.org or some such
[07:29] <ether_c> thanks, but I'd prefer to get this working on linux
[07:30] <CyberCod> there is also ext2fsd, but it blows because you have to turn on your ext2/3 drives each boot
[07:30] <ether_c> I can't exactly install these drivers on random computers that I come across
[07:30] <CyberCod> the ext2ifs is much better
[07:30] <CyberCod> true true
[07:30] <hiredgoon> http://www.fs-driver.org/
[07:30] <hiredgoon> nice
[07:30] <CyberCod> might just be something wrong with the partition info
[07:31] <CyberCod> what does gparted say about it?
[07:31] <ether_c> lemme check
[07:31] <hiredgoon> make a bartpe disc - run chkdsk on it
[07:31] <ether_c> gparted says it's ntfs
[07:32] <CyberCod> have you tried re-installing ntfs-3g?
[07:32] <ether_c> you mean apt-get remove ntfs-3g then reinstall it? no
[07:32] <CyberCod> worth a shot
[07:32] <ether_c> I was curious whether this is a bug or if it's just my particular external ntfs drive
[07:33] <CyberCod> couldn't tell you
[07:33] <ether_c> because it it's just me, then I'll definitely copy everything off of it and reformat
[07:33] <hiredgoon> apt-get remove ntfs-3g --purge  ?
[07:33] <ether_c> I'll try it
[07:35] <ether_c> no dice, reinstalling ntfs-3g has no effect
[07:35] <CyberCod> :(
[07:35] <CyberCod> if you can get your music off, you could try re-formatting it to ntfs
[07:36] <ether_c> if it means anything to anyone, I had fedora 9 beta on this computer yesterday and it worked fine
[07:36] <ether_c> yeah, I may just do that
[07:36] <CyberCod> may just be the 3g then
[07:36] <ether_c> thanks for the tips though
[07:36] <CyberCod> no problem
[07:36] <CyberCod> sorry I wasn't more effective helper
[07:37] <zcat[1]> just for the record; I had major issues with my mp3 player .. it was much happier when I changed the partition form 'b' (W95 fat32) to 'c' (win95 fat32 lba)
[07:37] <jimiridge> bah mplayer -co caca is kinda glitched
[07:38] <zcat[1]> I don't think ntfs has different partition types though
[07:38] <hiredgoon> what ntfs is it?  like did xp make the filesystem or what?
[07:39] <zcat[1]> curse microsoft and their non-standard standards!
[07:40] <pwnguin> jimiridge: you just need to pass CACA_GEOMETRY to it
[07:40] <CyberCod> so how is the pulse audio thing working out?
[07:40] <ether_c> hiredgoon: it was ntfs when I bought it from the store right out of the package
[07:41] <ether_c> but windows has "touched" it before
[07:41] <ether_c> linux "touched" it first though
[07:42] <zcat[1]> I'd never trust something preformatted.. seen too many stories of mp3 platers with pre-installed viruses :)
[07:42] <zcat[1]> *players
[07:42] <jimiridge> like black isnt black its all colors
[07:43] <hiredgoon> ether_c: argh
[07:44] <hiredgoon> i'd make a bartpe disc and run a chkdsk on it - you need a windows cd tho
[07:49] <ethana3> Is firefox3 beta5 in repos yet?
[07:49] <ethana3> ...I immediately downloaded it and am running it form a folder in my home now
[07:49] <ethana3> ...so I don't /really/ have to wait for it
[07:50] <ethana3> ....but I'd like to get rid of that folder soon
[07:50] <ethana3> so my stuff will work right (plugins, etc.)
[07:50] <ethana3>  'course, it's not like going from 69 to 71 on acid3 is /that/ big a change
[07:50] <ethana3> ..but still
[07:51] <ethana3> beta4 is always crashing on me
[07:53] <ether_c> ethana3: you could always install konqueror
[07:53] <ether_c> which should score you a nice 100
[07:54] <ether_c> ack
[07:54] <ether_c> my bad
[07:54] <ether_c> 90
[07:54] <ether_c> not 100
[07:54] <ether_c> and that's with webkit
[07:54] <wilbert> Good morning to all from a grey skyed Holland
[07:55] <ethana3> ether_c: it comes with the latest?
[07:55] <ethana3> ohh
[07:55] <ethana3> ...or webkit epiphany
[07:55] <ethana3> I may do that soon
[08:00] <jaffarkelshac> does anyone know how to get my lcd brightness control back after update+reboot
[08:02] <HendriXXX> anyone have strange crashes/lockups with hardy heron? only thing what works after freeze is my mouse.. any ideas howto fix that?
[08:02] <PedanticSteve> anyone here using Evolution 2.22 and having trouble with connecting to exchange?  (or not having trouble connecting)?
[08:04] <happy-sufferer> is there a way i could run apt-get update on a partition that I have?
[08:04]  * dwidmann is away: Gone away for now.
[08:06] <pwnguin> happy-sufferer: you could chroot into it
[08:06] <x1250> happy-sufferer: you'll have to chroot
[08:07] <happy-sufferer> pwnguin: you're back!
[08:07] <pwnguin> i never left ;)
[08:07] <Finnish> Hmmm, latest kernel *ucked up my bluetooth?
[08:07] <pwnguin> i just stopped paying attention briefly
[08:07] <happy-sufferer> install finished but wireless pci card still won't work on the new ubuntu 8.04 partition, even after i did all the same  things as on Xubuntu 8.04. 8-(
[08:08] <pwnguin> does xubuntu use network manager?
[08:08] <happy-sufferer> pwnguin: i did the sudo apt-get dist-upgrade while logged into the 7.04ubuntu partition. then i saw a notification applet saying that it needs to download stuff. i thought maybe if it were able to upgrade, maybe, just maybe, my wireless pci card will work in ubuntu8.04 as it does on xubuntu8.04.
[08:09] <x1250> hey guys, I have ubuntu-sounds installed, but when I go to preferences -> sounds, tab sounds and click on play, I here nothing. I _do_ have sound, but not from ubuntu-sounds theme, no login or logout music.
[08:09] <happy-sufferer> pwnguin: yes, xubuntu uses same network manager. (called "network settings")
[08:09] <pwnguin> you sure its nm and not a different tool?
[08:09] <happy-sufferer> pwnguin: but the way i made wireless pci card work on xubuntu 8.04 is not by going to network manager, but by running the commands in terminal
[08:10] <pwnguin> you'll probably have to continue doing that =/
[08:10] <pwnguin> network manager uses some extended wireless stuff that some drivers dont support / like
[08:10] <pwnguin> signal strength etc
[08:10] <happy-sufferer> the commands i ran on xubuntu successfully (and on ubuntu 8.04 AND 7.10 unsuccessfully) are at http://pastebin.com/d5e2b0176
[08:11] <happy-sufferer> i thought that if Xubuntu 8.04 will allow me to get onto the internet, surely Ubuntu 8.04 also will.
[08:11] <pwnguin> ah. ndiswrapper
[08:11] <pwnguin> you're making me regret returning ;)
[08:11] <happy-sufferer> pwnguin: yes! ndiswrapper, and using inf and sys files on the install CD (For windows computers)
[08:11] <happy-sufferer> pwnguin: returning to this irc channel?
[08:12] <happy-sufferer> pwnguin: that's the only way i have found to make my wireless internet work so far.
[08:12] <happy-sufferer> i prefer not to use ndiswrapper, but i'm a newbie.
[08:12] <pwnguin> happy-sufferer: ive never been able to make ndiswrapper work
[08:12] <pwnguin> for some it seems to be an only option
[08:12] <happy-sufferer> well, is there a way we can make a non-ndiswrapper option work?
[08:12] <pwnguin> i doubt it
[08:13] <happy-sufferer> my wireless card is pictured at http://snipurl.com/23aff
[08:13] <owen1> i got updates and now i can't see the UI after I enter user/password. any ideas?
[08:13] <happy-sufferer> pwnguin: so i'm really really puzzed: Why can wireless internet/card work in Xubunu 8.04 but NOT in Ubuntu 8.04?
[08:13] <owen1> i see the brown backgroud..
[08:14] <happy-sufferer> Wouldn't you think it would work in Ubuntu8.04 if it works in Xubuntu8.04?
[08:14] <pwnguin> happy-sufferer: did you set up ndiswrapper again?
[08:14] <happy-sufferer> pwnguin: yes, all the same steps
[08:14] <pwnguin> thats pretty funny
[08:14] <pwnguin> afaik, that shouldn't happen
[08:14] <happy-sufferer> pwnguin: yeah, that's what i'm thinking
[08:15] <pwnguin> you'll have to get someone else to help you with ndiswrapper, as I'm clueless on it
[08:15] <pwnguin> on the other hand
[08:15] <pwnguin> you could always apt-get install ubuntu-desktop from xubuntu
[08:15] <happy-sufferer> pwnguin: that's an idea
[08:15] <pwnguin> they use the same repos
[08:15] <happy-sufferer> i guess it might work.
[08:15] <happy-sufferer> it should work, eh?
[08:16] <pwnguin> yea
[08:16] <happy-sufferer> shall we do that? pls advise how.
[08:16] <happy-sufferer> 8-)
[08:16] <PedanticSteve> anyone here using Evolution in Hardy and trying to connect to exchange?  I am having issues getting it to work.  Says bad username orpassword, but I connect to OWA with the same username/password just fine
[08:16] <pwnguin> ive done something similar to try out kubnutu
[08:16] <pwnguin> happy-sufferer: it should be as easy as "apt-get install ubuntu-desktop"
[08:16] <owen1> i see brown screen after i log in...can't see any UI... anyone?
[08:16] <pwnguin> then when you log in, you may need to change the "session" to GNOME
[08:17] <happy-sufferer> then if it works, i'll uninstall the current ubunu8.04 partition(sda1), and have the to-be-installed Ubuntu8.04(overXubuntu8.04, sda6) partition "stretch out" over the whole hard drive again.
[08:17] <happy-sufferer> pwnguin: ok
[08:17] <pwnguin> happy-sufferer: sounds like you have a plan ;)
[08:17] <happy-sufferer> pwnguin: here goes another 3 hours.
[08:17] <happy-sufferer> 8-)
[08:17] <pwnguin> heh
[08:18] <pwnguin> ima go watch naruto / play smash bros
[08:18] <omar_> I have a problem with screensavers, they don't work properly, I think it's probably because of Compiz.
[08:18] <happy-sufferer> ok. how can i reach you when you're not online at IRC?
[08:18] <happy-sufferer> pwnguin: is there a special way to leave messages on IRC?
[08:18] <PedanticSteve> omar_: I am using compiz and my screensavers work fine... I tested out a few of htem.  and I am using many features in compiz
[08:19] <owen1> can't see UI..got to work with this laptop tomorrow. please help.
[08:19] <doolz> happy-sufferer:  /msg pwnguin
[08:19] <happy-sufferer> after i install Ubuntu8.04 over Xubuntu8.04, how do I remove everything Xubuntu-ish in computer?
[08:19] <happy-sufferer> doolz: will that work even if pwnguin is offline?
[08:19] <omar_> PedanticSteve: Wow, then how come me screensavers are screwed up?? :D
[08:20] <PedanticSteve> omar_: what do you mean that they do not work properly?
[08:20] <omar_> PedanticSteve: I'm using a lot of Compiz features as well
[08:20] <doolz> happy-sufferer: I dunno
[08:20] <happy-sufferer> oh, by the way, is there a way to "upgrade" from Xubuntu 8.04 32bit to Ubuntu8.04 64bit, without using a CD, and without too much problems?
[08:21] <omar_> PedanticSteve: They don't appear almost at all, and they blink too.
[08:23] <owen1> anyone got issues with the UI after getting updates today?
[08:23] <owen1> i think my nautilus is not running, or somthing similar.
[08:26] <owen1> whet typing nautilus in terminal i get a lot of errors. at the end it say: aborted (core dumped).
[08:26] <x1250> do you guys have any login/logout sound from ubuntu sound theme?
[08:27] <owen1> guys. this is sos. anyone can help with serious UI issue?
[08:28] <x1250> owen1: I really dont have any idea about your problem, but you could paste the errors on pastebin so someone can check it out
[08:29] <owen1> x1250: i have nothing but terminal working. not sure what error i can paste...
[08:30] <happy-sufferer> pwnguin: hello.
[08:30] <CyberCod> owen, a couple basic things to try...  CTRL+ALT+F7
[08:30] <happy-sufferer> pwnguin:  what's the Ubuntu equivalent of Step 3, 4, and 5 on http://www.instantfundas.com/2007/08/install-any-linux-distro-directly-from.html?
[08:30] <CyberCod> or type in  "startx"
[08:30] <x1250> owen1: try creating another user and see if that works ok, so if it does, wipe out your gnome config for your user....
[08:30] <owen1> how do i do it from the terminal?
[08:30] <x1250> adduser someuser
[08:31] <owen1> x1250: how do i do it from the terminal
[08:31] <x1250> are you in X?
[08:31] <happy-sufferer> hi, people,  what's the Ubuntu equivalent of Step 3, 4, and 5 on http://www.instantfundas.com/2007/08/install-any-linux-distro-directly-from.html?
[08:31] <owen1> x1250: not sure. i can open apps from the terminal.
[08:32] <owen1> x1250: but can't open nautilus.
[08:32] <x1250> like what apps?
[08:32] <owen1> x1250: firefox
[08:32] <owen1> x1250: open office
[08:32] <owen1> x1250: but i can't see the gnome menus etc
[08:34] <CyberCod> do you have any panels at all? or a background?
[08:34] <owen1> CyberCod: ctrl+alt+f7 did't do anything..
[08:34] <x1250> ok, then try adding another user and see if it has the same problems as your user. If it does, I would just delete all gnome related stuff for the user with problems. You'll loose your desktop configuration, but.... well... nobody is perfect
[08:34] <owen1> CyberCod: no. nada
[08:34] <CyberCod> k
[08:34] <owen1> x1250: how do i do that?
[08:34] <CyberCod> startx ?
[08:34] <x1250> $ sudo su
[08:34] <Finnish> How to add latest Bluez-utilities to Hardy?
[08:34] <x1250> # adduser someuser
[08:35] <owen1> CyberCod: do u want me to type it in terminal?
[08:35] <CyberCod> yeah type it and press enter
[08:35] <x1250> or $ sudo adduser someuser
[08:35] <CyberCod> it should either start the graphical or give you some error messages
[08:36] <owen1> x1250: 1 sec, x1250..i am trying to start x
[08:36] <owen1> CyberCod: X: user not authorized to run the X server, aborting.
[08:36] <CyberCod> not authorized?
[08:36] <CyberCod> huh
[08:37] <CyberCod> type logout and press enter
[08:37] <owen1> CyberCod: xinit: unexpected signal 2
[08:37] <CyberCod> there's something
[08:37] <owen1> CyberCod: it tells me to use exit.
[08:37] <owen1> CyberCod: should i try?
[08:37] <CyberCod> ah
[08:37] <x1250> owen1: what did you do? steps?
[08:38] <CyberCod> ok use exit
[08:38] <CyberCod> point is to log out and try to log back in
[08:38] <owen1> CyberCod: ok. trying. i am doing all this from another machine, so i can talk here on irc.
[08:38] <CyberCod> you can also try loggin into the new user that x1250 told you to make
[08:39] <CyberCod> I had guessed,
[08:39] <jaffarkelshac> has the new kernal broken anyones system, i have lot lcd brightness control, how do i get it bak
[08:39] <CyberCod> unless you were using finch in terminal
[08:39] <CyberCod> ;)
[08:40] <owen1> CyberCod: after doing 'exit' the terminal was closed and i saw the brown screen again.
[08:40] <x1250> jaffarkelshac: last time I checked there were some packages missing for kernel -13. Try with -12 or something.
[08:40] <CyberCod> brown screen?
[08:41] <CyberCod> the desktop?
[08:41] <owen1> CyberCod: now when i open katapult i can't go back to terminal...
[08:41] <jaffarkelshac> the one i have is -14
[08:41] <owen1> CyberCod: it's brown. but no menu, nothing.
[08:41] <CyberCod> k
[08:41] <CyberCod> new computer?
[08:41] <owen1> CyberCod: i'll restart.
[08:41] <CyberCod> fast?
[08:41] <CyberCod> wait a moment
[08:41] <owen1> CyberCod: vaio. i put 8.04 instead of vista.
[08:42] <CyberCod> k, shouldn't take long
[08:42] <owen1> CyberCod: it worked great for 2 days...
[08:42] <CyberCod> to get desktop loaded
[08:42] <CyberCod> its only a couple weeks til 8.04 is finished...
[08:42] <CyberCod> impatient?
[08:42] <x1250> jaffarkelshac: check for the restricted-modules package for -14
[08:42] <owen1> CyberCod: today i got updates and just restarted....
[08:43] <CyberCod> go ahead and restart
[08:43] <CyberCod> see if anything is different
[08:43] <jaffarkelshac> how x1250
[08:43] <owen1> CyberCod: ok
[08:43] <CyberCod> do you have a proprietary driver for an nvidia card?
[08:44] <owen1> CyberCod: are u talking to me?
[08:44] <CyberCod> yep
[08:44] <x1250> jaffarkelshac: try something like $ aptitude search linux-restricted-modules-`uname -r`, or similar
[08:44] <CyberCod> if the driver is proprietary, it would get broken by a kernel upgrade
[08:44] <owen1> CyberCod: wait. now i see the username screen.
[08:44] <CyberCod> ooooh
[08:44] <CyberCod> good luck
[08:45] <owen1> CyberCod: after i'll type the password i'll see the brown screen again.
[08:45] <owen1> CyberCod: and only through katapult i'll access terminal.
[08:45] <CyberCod> gnome or kde?
[08:46] <owen1> CyberCod: gnome
[08:46] <CyberCod> then you need nautilus
[08:46] <CyberCod> k
[08:46] <owen1> CyberCod: i hear the music...
[08:46] <CyberCod> type CTRL+ALT+F3
[08:46] <CyberCod> well if it doesn't work type that
[08:46] <owen1> CyberCod: and....brown screen
[08:46] <CyberCod> k
[08:46] <CyberCod> type that
[08:46] <CyberCod> and it will change to a tty terminal
[08:47] <frostux> :s
[08:47] <owen1> CyberCod: ok. i typed ctr+alt+f3
[08:47] <dotech> if i just booted ubuntu without a mouse, how can i shutdown with the keyboard only? :)
[08:47] <CyberCod> log in there
[08:47] <dotech> was just testing the hardware on this new pc to make sure things worked
[08:47] <frostux> hi guys
[08:47] <owen1> CyberCod: ok
[08:47] <x1250> dotech: sudo reboot?
[08:47] <CyberCod> type in "nautilus" and hit enter
[08:47] <dotech> well im at the desktop
[08:47] <owen1> can i revert the last updated i got?
[08:48] <CyberCod> then type CTRL+ALT+F7 to get back to the graphical
[08:48] <frostux> small question, I used to add a parameter to a max_cstate file under sys to get rid of some CPU whining, where is that file now? :s
[08:48] <x1250> ALT-F2 gnome-console or konsole, then reboot. Or CTRL+ALT+F2 and login/reboot
[08:48] <dotech> x1250, thanks
[08:48] <dotech> that did it
[08:48] <owen1> CyberCod: when i type nautilus i get: can't open display
[08:49] <CyberCod> sounds like you need to reconfigure x
[08:49] <CyberCod> can't remember the commands for that off the top of my head
[08:49] <owen1> CyberCod: and it tells me to try --help
[08:49] <x1250> owen1: why dont you create a new user and test it?
[08:50] <owen1> x1250: ok. i am ready.
[08:50] <CyberCod> sorry man, I'm stumped... X is obviously working since you have the brown screen
[08:50] <CyberCod> so it probably is your gnome settings
[08:50] <geekaholic> Hi all, I can't seem to be able to find apache2, bind9 or samba server packages on Ubuntu+1
[08:50] <owen1> CyberCod: no problem. thank so much for trying.
[08:50] <geekaholic> Here is my sources.list http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/62099/
[08:50] <owen1> x1250: can u tell me the commands?
[08:50] <geekaholic> I can install normal desktop packages but server packages seem 2 be missing
[08:51] <x1250> CTRL+ALT+F2, login, then $ sudo adduser someuser
[08:51] <frostux> max_cstate, gone, where, halp :s
[08:51] <PedanticSteve> geekaholic:are you using "add/remove" or synaptic?
[08:52] <owen1> x1250: ok. what's next?
[08:52] <owen1> x1250: i created a user.
[08:52] <x1250> $ sudo /etc/init.d/gdm restart, and login with your new user
[08:53] <geekaholic> PedanticSteve: tried apt, aptitude and add/remove
[08:54] <geekaholic> aptitude search apache2 gives me nothing
[08:54] <owen1> x1250: wait. it asked me te enter a new unix password...
[08:54] <x1250> yep, do that, any password, just remember it for login in afterwards
[08:55] <owen1> x1250: ok
[08:55] <x1250> geekaholic: # aptitude update ? and if not, faulty repo?
[08:55] <x1250> it works in here...
[08:57] <owen1> x1250: i logged in and now i see black screen (with the mouse) instead of brown. the problem is that now i don't have katapult...so can't open terminal...
[08:58] <frostux> gah, no one who can help a poor laptop user with his cpu whining? :\
[08:58] <x1250> the black screen is a terminal?
[08:58] <owen1> x1250: no
[08:59] <owen1> x1250: it's like the brown, but black.
[08:59] <x1250> did some packages got uninstalled when you did the upgrade?
[08:59] <owen1> x1250: i have no idea...
[09:00] <owen1> x1250: can i get updates again or revert back?
[09:02] <x1250> what does this command returns? $ aptitude search "^gnome" | grep "^i"
[09:04] <owen1> x1250: 30 lines of text..
[09:04] <geekaholic> x1250: u were right. Updating it fixed the issue. Must've been faulty at the time i updated (yesterday)
[09:04] <owen1> x1250: gnome-about, gnome-accessibility-themes etc............
[09:04] <geekaholic> x1250: thanks
[09:05] <CyberCod> nite ppl
[09:05] <owen1> x1250: looks like it returns all the gnome components.
[09:06] <x1250> Uhm
[09:07] <x1250> what about .xsession-errors on the new user?
[09:07] <x1250> cat /home/newuser/.xsession-errors
[09:07] <x1250> or use more, or less
[09:10] <owen1> x1250: long text.  too long to go to top. i see some warnings and fails. like glib and gnome panel.
[09:10] <x1250> do you have gnome-panel installed?
[09:11] <owen1> x1250: don't know
[09:11] <owen1> i can apt-get
[09:11] <owen1> x1250: do u want me to do apt-get?
[09:11] <x1250> try apt-cache policy gnome-panel
[09:12] <owen1> x1250: installed: 1:2.22.0-0ubuntu3
[09:13] <__doc__> howdy. two questions. 1) why can't I update my hardy installation anymore (tells me to do a partial update, which fails too) 2) any idea how to get the modlines for a automatically (correctly) recognized monitor (the background is that my second monitor is the exact same model, but fails to report the edid, hence it doesn't get recognized, hence it only gets a crappy choice of resolutions/frequenzies)
[09:13] <x1250> how did you upgrade? with aptitude? synaptic? I dont know if synaptic uses aptitude (I think it does not), but there is an aptitude log in /var/log
[09:13] <owen1> x1250: 500 http://us.archive.ubuntu.com/hardy/main .....
[09:13] <x1250> maybe you can check if something went wrong with aptitude when you upgraded
[09:14] <owen1> x1250: i used the graphical thingy. it tells me if new updates are available.
[09:14] <owen1> gedit /var/log ?
[09:14] <x1250> can you execute synaptic from the old (not the new) user?
[09:15] <jaffarkelshac> how do i stop shared folders mounting on desktop all the time, its messy
[09:15] <x1250> -> /var/log/aptitude
[09:15] <x1250> synaptic has a history also, you can check that out if you can execute it
[09:15] <owen1> x1250: wait. i am in synaptic.
[09:16] <owen1> x1250: what should i do?
[09:17] <x1250> are you checking out synaptic history log?
[09:17] <owen1> x1250: where is it?
[09:17] <x1250> in "File" menu
[09:18] <__doc__> I guess what I really need to know is, how do you get the modlines a driver for a recognized monitor would use (so you can set them manually in xorg.conf)
[09:20] <owen1> x1250: ok. there are around 100 upgrades/new installations at the last update (that required restart)
[09:20] <owen1> i can open firefox and email it. or pastie.
[09:21] <x1250> okay, pastebin.ca
[09:21] <owen1> x1250:
[09:21] <owen1> x1250: ok
[09:21] <x1250> __doc__: modlines are vertical and horizontal refresh rates?
[09:23] <__doc__> x1250: no, modelines are stuff like that:  Modeline "1920x1200@85"     268.60 1920 1936 2096 2528 1200 1201 1204 1250  -hsync -vsync
[09:23] <x1250> Ah :(
[09:24] <__doc__> they're kind esoteric to generate, usually it's just about hopeless to get the values right, it's why there's somewhere in debian/ubuntu some mechanism to support them.
[09:24] <__doc__> if the edid is reported for a monitor, and if a monitor driver is present it's all taken care of.
[09:25] <__doc__> otherwise you get the vesa modelines
[09:25] <owen1> x1250: http://pastebin.ca/970778
[09:25] <x1250> yeah, I saw them once when trying to get my monitor and vga running, but I don't know anything about them
[09:25] <__doc__> but they're crap at higher resolutions.
[09:25] <__doc__> so I need the modelines the driver has for my working monitor (that reports the edid) and apply them to the one who doesn't report the edid
[09:31] <x1250> owen1: can you comment the "hiddenmenu" option in /boot/grub/menu.lst and select an old kernel when booting? It should be -> # hiddenmenu
[09:31] <x1250> see if you have any other kernel to boot,
[09:32] <owen1> ok
[09:32] <x1250> when booting dont select 2.6.24-14, try an old version
[09:36] <owen1> x1250: i only had 5 options, 4 of them say: 2.6.24-14 but some were safemode or something similar. the fifth option say: development version or something similar. i choose it...not sure why.
[09:38] <owen1> i see blue screen with numbers running. it's 9% now.
[09:39] <owen1> x1250: should i reboot and choose something else?
[09:39] <x1250> that blue screen is gdm?
[09:39] <owen1> x1250: no. it's like dos.
[09:39] <owen1> x1250: remind me windos bios.
[09:40] <x1250> its booting without the usplash image? No ubuntu image when booting? maybe its checking the hardrive¿
[09:40] <owen1> i think this is for testing by developers
[09:41] <owen1> x1250: yes. no ubuntu image. just blue screen. it's 15%.
[09:41] <saltedlight> did you check the boot order on bios?
[09:41] <x1250> 15% of what? any text?
[09:41] <owen1> saltedlight: r u talking to me?
[09:41] <saltedlight> yes owen1
[09:41] <owen1> it say Memtest86
[09:41] <x1250> oh, lol, get out of there
[09:41] <owen1> v.1.70
[09:42] <owen1> ok
[09:42] <owen1> what option should i choose? 1-4
[09:42] <x1250> you say your system got screwed up after THAT update you pasted in pastebin?
[09:42] <owen1> x1250: correct. after reboot.
[09:43] <owen1> should i try recovery mode?
[09:44] <owen1> (options 2 or 4)
[09:44] <x1250> ok, look try this: # aptitude search `uname -r` to see what kernel packages you got installed. Then search for the same packages but version 2.6.24-12 and install those. Then reboot and choose 2.6.24-12 kernel to boot. Maybe something got screwed when updating the kernel packages, but I don't know really...
[09:45] <x1250> #aptitude search `uname -r` | grep "^i"
[09:45] <x1250> thats better
[09:45] <owen1> ok
[09:46] <x1250> you'll see some packages like linux-image, linux-headers, restricted modules, etc
[09:46] <x1250> try installing those same packages but from version 2.6.24-12
[09:47] <owen1> no results
[09:47] <x1250> for what?
[09:48] <owen1> the command u told me
[09:48] <owen1> aptitude search...
[09:49] <owen1> i did apt-get update
[09:49] <owen1> just in case.
[09:50] <owen1> maybe they released an update that fix it..
[09:50] <x1250> ok, try this # aptitude install linux-headers-2.6.24-12-generic linux-image-2.6.24-12-generic linux-restricted-modules-2.6.24-12-generic linux-ubuntu-modules-2.6.24-12-generic
[09:53] <owen1> it could not find the image.
[09:54] <owen1>  linux-image-2.6.24-12-generic
[09:54] <owen1> oops
[09:54] <owen1> wait
[09:55] <owen1> done but 0 changes
[09:55] <owen1> 1 not upgraded.
[09:56] <x1250> which one?
[09:57] <owen1> it say: coreutils
[09:58] <owen1> have been kept back: coreutils
[09:58] <x1250> ok, but its not related. Did you install the 2.6.24-12 version?
[09:59] <|DuReX|> i'm getting 'Failed to initialize HAL!'
[09:59] <|DuReX|> any id's ?
[10:00] <owen1> it say 0 packages upgraded, 0 newly installed, 0 to remove and 1 not upgraded.
[10:02] <|DuReX|> http://pastebin.com/m4b165b64
[10:02] <|DuReX|> seems like a crashing HAL, any id's :s
[10:02] <x1250> owen1: what is the result when you do a # aptitude search  linux-image-2.6.24-12-generic | grep "^i" ?
[10:05] <owen1> http://pastebin.ca/970793
[10:06] <x1250> ok, try rebooting and selecting that kernel, the first one that is 2.6.24-12
[10:06] <owen1> ok
[10:07] <owen1> got it. 1 sec
[10:07] <owen1> crossing my fingers.
[10:09] <owen1> didn't help..)-:
[10:09] <x1250> Then I'm out of ideas :(
[10:10] <owen1> x1250: i'll reinstall it and maybe not get any updates...
[10:10] <owen1> what do u think?
[10:12] <x1250> Reinstall, but get the updates, there's nothing wrong with that. Try using # aptitude safe-upgrade most of the time, and full-upgrade with caution
[10:13] <owen1> x1250: ok. thanks for the help!
[10:13] <x1250> okay, np
[10:13] <owen1> x1250: great community here
[10:13] <x1250> Man, I come from debian! :)
[10:14] <x1250> I have ubuntu on my notebook :D
[10:20] <Tuv0k> W: Failed to fetch http://us.archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/dists/hardy-security/Release  Unable to find expected entry  web/binary-i386/Packages in Meta-index file (malformed Release file?)
[10:23] <mhollisjr> I have an issue with something that runs when I login to kubuntu hardy, it will just pause for 30 seconds or so while it does whatever it's doing, how can I find otu what the problem is? my Autostart directory is empty
[10:23] <mhollisjr> it happens everytime I login, even if the system is fully up and running
[10:26] <Ng> mhollisjr: 30 second pauses are very often caused by DNS lookups - maybe something is trying to do a DNS lookup on your hostname or something, before you have a network connection
[10:26] <mhollisjr> Ng: it's pausing the whole interface though, I wouldn't think it would do that would it?
[10:27] <Ng> it depends how low level the bit that's hanging is
[10:27] <mhollisjr> ok well is networking shutdown when I log out?
[10:28] <mhollisjr> because it happens if I logout and back in again too
[10:28] <Ng> hmm, I'm not sure how KDE does that, sorry
[10:28] <mhollisjr> -nod- no worries
[10:29] <mhollisjr> it only does it at login, which is annoying, but tolerable
[10:29] <bazhang> any one else having probs with ff3 and sound on youtube?
[10:30] <KAMI_Work> Hi!
[10:30] <bazhang> does disabling pulseaudio do it if so?
[10:30] <KAMI_Work> How can I use Java in browser on 64 bit enabled machine/Ubuntu 8.04?
[10:30] <KAMI_Work> IcedTea generates segfault
[10:31] <KAMI_Work> Do anyone has working solution for this?
[10:32] <nekostar> os[Linux 2.6.24-14-generic - Debian lenny/sid - Ubuntu DISTRIB_ID=Ubuntu ( http://www.ubuntu.com )] | up[18 minutes] | cpu[Intel(R) Core(TM)2 Quad CPU    Q6600  @ 2.40GHz SMP (4 processors), 2400.033 MHz (19204.44 bogomips)] | chipset[Intel Corporation 82G33/G31/P35/P31 Express DRAM Controller (rev 02)] | video[nVidia Corporation GeForce 8600 GT (rev a1) at 1680x1050 (32 bits)] | opengl[GeForce 8600 G
[10:32] <nekostar> T/PCI/SSE2 powered by NVIDIA Corporation with driver 2.1.2 NVIDIA 169.12] | xchat[Version: 2.8.4] | [sysinfo-dg 1.1-DocTrax_1.46]
[10:32] <nekostar> lol
[10:32] <nekostar> did a dirty upgrade
[10:32] <nekostar> :>
[10:32] <nekostar> mostly working fine
[10:32] <nekostar> though when numlock on it does the home/pageup and stuff and when off does numbers
[10:32] <nekostar> any fix for me?
[10:40] <eldaria> Hmm I think one of the resent upgrades broke Flashsupport in Konqueror again.
[10:40] <eldaria> anyone else had the same?
[10:44] <Duskin> hey
[10:45] <Duskin> so i just installed 8.04 and it came with firefox 3 beta4, what's the easiest way to update it to beta5
[10:45] <Duskin> it doesnt appear in the package manager
[10:45] <orvokki> Waiting for it? ;>
[10:46] <Duskin> beta5 is already out
[10:46] <orvokki> Eh...
[10:46] <orvokki> Programs don't get packaged and put into Ubuntu by magic right after release.
[10:47] <orvokki> There might be some community package although as I said, the *easiest* way is to wait.
[10:47] <Duskin> so if i grab the files off the mozilla website and install that way, will it still be able to be updated thru package manager?
[10:47] <Duskin> later on i mean
[10:49] <DarkMageZ> Duskin, grab it off mozilla site and run it. don't worry about installing. the ubuntu guys will probably update firefox 3 to beta 5 soon enough.
[10:49] <muszek> Duskin: it's not recommended.  Just wait a few days.  b4 was in repos quite quickly
[10:49] <Duskin> ah ok
[10:49] <Duskin> i guess ill just wait a couple days
[10:50] <Duskin> thx guys
[10:51] <muszek> I remember feeling uncomfortable because of not having the latest soft in repos right away when I switched from windows
[10:52] <muszek> but the benefits of package management are sooo much greater
[10:53] <Duskin> yea, i love the package management
[10:53] <Duskin> i just came from windows xp
[10:54] <bazhang> newer is not always better ;]
[10:54] <Duskin> i know
[10:54] <bazhang> witness vista ;]
[10:55] <Duskin> i insalled 8.04 because i figured it's so close to release i might as well have
[10:55] <muszek> lol :).  but usually it is... and it took me some time to stop really being anxious about installing "the latest beta", because it came out last night.
[11:07] <seanh> Is there a DVD for the hardy beta, or can I just burn the installation CD image to a DVD? I don't have any blank CDs handy
[11:08] <DistroJockey> seanh: DVD disk should be fine. Do you even need to burn it?
[11:09] <seanh> How would I do without burning it?
[11:09] <seanh> There seems to be a DVD version here http://cdimage.ubuntu.com/dvd/20080401/
[11:09] <DistroJockey> seanh: depends what you are trying to do I guess
[11:09] <afflux> morning. does anyone know why the murrine theme was removed from hardy again?
[11:09] <seanh> I usually like to do a fresh install, so I don't carry over any cruft from my past  6 months with the previous release
[11:11] <seanh> Hmm. But the DVD is a huge download and it doesn't say what extra stuff is on it. I think I'll just go with the CD image
[11:11] <DistroJockey> seanh: theoretically, you could mount the iso and install into free space or another partition I guess. Don't ask me exactly how though ;)
[11:12] <bazhang> mount the iso via loopback and run it that way ;]
[11:12] <DistroJockey> seanh: but this may help:  http://www.ubuntugeek.com/mount-and-unmout-iso-images-without-burning-them.html
[11:13] <seanh> You'd need to boot from the mounted iso somehow, that's gotta be tricky
[11:13] <bazhang> the very link I was going to get ;]
[11:13] <DistroJockey> bazhang: :)
[11:13] <bazhang> seanh: listen to DistroJockey he's the brain around here ;]
[11:13] <DistroJockey> bazhang: doesn't really say how to install from it though
[11:13] <DistroJockey> bazhang: lol
[11:14] <seanh> Yeah, so that link shows you how to mount an iso, but I don't know how you'd install from it
[11:14] <DJones> There's also this - installing from another linux partition https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Installation/FromLinux
[11:14] <bazhang> copy the iso to the hdd; amenado in main channel is the expert on that ;]
[11:15] <DistroJockey> DJones: nice link
[11:15] <seanh> that guide seems to be the thing
[11:16] <bazhang> also there is lubi and unetbootin ;]
[11:16] <DJones> !install | DistroJockey, It's linked from this
[11:16] <ubotu> DistroJockey, It's linked from this: Ubuntu can be installed in a lot of ways. Please see https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Installation for documentation. Problems during install? See https://wiki.ubuntu.com/CommonProblemsInstall. Don't want to use a CD? Try http://tinyurl.com/3exghs - See also !automate
[11:16] <DJones> under the install without a CD
[11:16] <DistroJockey> ahh, cool. Thanks DJones
[11:16] <DJones> no probs
[11:17] <seanh> Hey this bootable install partition is cool ... it's like having a sort of system reset built in. Especially if you install /home on its own partition so it doesn't get overridden
[11:18] <DistroJockey> seanh, DJones:  usually have a rewriteable lying around and playing with Vitualbox lately, so rarely have a problem using iso's
[11:18] <DistroJockey> seanh: yeah, does look to be nice and handy
[11:18] <seanh> Yeah a rewritable would be a handy thing to keep around
[11:20] <finalbeta> What is the "correct" way to install vmware server on ubuntu hardy?
[11:21] <fromport> beter ask that @ #ubuntu-virt or #ubuntu-server (not many people respond though there)
[11:22] <finalbeta> ok, thanks.
[11:22] <bazhang> finalbeta: not sure if it is canonical partner repos yet; it was for gutsy and that is wehre I got it
[11:22] <DistroJockey> finalbeta: Virtualbox is also worth a look (if you don't specifically need vmware)
[11:36] <xoob> hey, just updated and the gdm theme changed slightly, but I liked the last one better, where can I find a copy of the previous version of the Human gdm theme?
[11:37] <DistroJockey> xoob: gnome-look.org maybe?
[11:39] <tanner_> i hate external monitors and linux
[11:41] <tanner_> nvidia's damn utility refuses to let me select other modes for my tv
[11:43] <genie> hello all
[11:43] <DistroJockey> Heyya ;)
[11:43] <genie> how to play .rm or .ram in 8.4?
[11:43] <genie> without using realplay :-)
[11:43] <DistroJockey> :)
[11:44] <tanner_> codecs exist for 32bit mplayer
[11:44] <genie> tanner_, can you give me the package name?
[11:44] <tanner_> win32codecs?
[11:45] <genie> sudo apt-get install win32codecs?
[11:45] <xoob> the other way around, how do you make firefox use realplayer for .rm or .ram? removed mplayer-plugin and totem-plugins now there's nothing
[11:45] <tanner_> no, youll have to google for it
[11:45] <DistroJockey> tanner_ , genie: if you try and open a .rm or .ram with mplayer will it ask if you want to find them?
[11:46] <tanner_> no.
[11:46] <genie> no
[11:46] <DistroJockey> bummer
[11:46] <genie> let me to try to open it
[11:46] <harmental> hey guys..has anyone been experiencing sudden freezes with Hardy?
[11:47] <DistroJockey> harmental:  Not here. Total or partial?
[11:47] <harmental> total
[11:48] <harmental> DistroJockey: I have to reboot using the power button
[11:48] <harmental> freezes are totally random
[11:48] <muszek> harmental: do you know about raising skinny elephants?
[11:49] <muszek> harmental: a procedure that is safer than hard reboot and is often doable when system is unresponsive
[11:49] <DistroJockey> harmental: next time it happens, a more graceful way is to hold down  Alt+SysRq and press the following keys in order with a few seconds pause between each:  S I E U B
[11:50] <muszek> DistroJockey: I learnt R S E I U B (raising skinny elephants is utterly boring)
[11:50] <DistroJockey> muszek: cool :) what's the R for?
[11:50] <lintel> hi, I have some time over the weekend - is there a Heron nightly build avail. for debugging?
[11:50] <harmental> DistroJockey: are you serious?????
[11:50] <muszek> DistroJockey: dunno, lemme find it
[11:51] <DistroJockey> harmental: yep
[11:51] <DistroJockey> harmental: magic sysrq key
[11:51] <muszek> harmental, DistroJockey: http://www.brunolinux.com/01-First_Things_To_Know/Skinny_Elephants.html
[11:51] <harmental> DistroJockey: which key is sysrq?
[11:51] <DistroJockey> harmental: Print Screen
[11:51] <Lamego> Print Screen
[11:51] <Ng> lintel: there may be nightlies on cdimage.ubuntu.com, if not you could grab the beta and update it
[11:52] <DistroJockey> I remember it by: So Everything Is Unterly Borked  ;)
[11:52] <DistroJockey> Uterly^
[11:52] <muszek> lol :)
[11:52] <DistroJockey> heh
[11:52] <harmental> DistroJockey: ill try that next time...thx!
[11:52] <muszek> that's more appropriate
[11:53] <DistroJockey> harmental: you're welcome. But as for the freezing, as I said no problem here.
[11:53] <Amaranth> crap another kernel abi bump
[11:53] <Amaranth> i haven't even rebooted to go to -14 yet
[11:53] <harmental> i guess...its something ill have to live with for some weeks...
[11:54] <DistroJockey> harmental: yeah, not long to go now :)
[11:54] <harmental> everything else works like a charm...cant complain....
[11:54] <DistroJockey> Amaranth: all updates working fine here
[11:54] <bazhang> wow I am still on -12; what the?
[11:55] <lintel> Ng: http://cdimage.ubuntu.com/daily-live/current/hardy-desktop-i386.iso <= this one? thanks
[11:55] <Amaranth> DistroJockey: I'm not worried about that
[11:55] <Amaranth> I just don't reboot unless I need to
[11:55] <DistroJockey> Amaranth: even did that partial yesterday with only atiev crashing
[11:55] <Ng> lintel: sounds like a good one to go for
[11:55] <bazhang> and no updates around ;[
[11:55] <Amaranth> I'm pretty sure I can fix any problem that might show up
[11:55] <DistroJockey> Amaranth: :)
[12:01] <genie> DistroJockey, I try to open one .rm and I got this: Sipro/ACELP.NET Voice decoder plugin
[12:01] <genie> DistroJockey, how can I install this plugin?
[12:02] <DistroJockey> hmm
[12:04] <DistroJockey> genie: no idea sorry
[12:05] <genie> DistroJockey, thanks man :-)
[12:05] <DistroJockey> genie: someone one google had to install realplayer to get it to work though
[12:05]  * DistroJockey shudders
[12:06] <DistroJockey> someone on google^
[12:06] <genie> yes, I see this in this URL: http://ubuntuforums.org/archive/index.php/t-539494.html
[12:06] <genie> but I need to paly it without realplay
[12:06] <DistroJockey> genie: that's the one :)
[12:06] <genie> (y)
[12:07] <DistroJockey> genie: you may have to use realplayer, just have a backup I guess, just incase
[12:08] <DistroJockey> genie: And you're welcome. But as I said, I don't do Realplayer.
[12:08] <tanner> realplayer should die :)
[12:09] <genie> I prefer not use it too
[12:09] <DistroJockey> tanner: It can do what it likes as far as I'm concerned, I just won't use it :)
[12:10] <tanner> h264 is quite lovely :)
[12:10] <tanner> although very processor intensive
[12:10] <genie> DistroJockey, infact some of my .rm files paly with totem but others will give the error which I show you
[12:10] <DistroJockey> genie: ahh. Please do.
[12:11]  * jimiridge catches mass sarcasm
[12:11] <DistroJockey> genie: not that I deal with video much. And maybe something in Mythbuntu will help?
[12:12] <DistroJockey> well I wasn't being sarcastic
[12:12] <tanner> ugh wtf
[12:12] <tanner> 10MB/s over eSATA
[12:12] <DistroJockey> eww!
[12:13] <tanner> this is not right at all
[12:13] <NW2190> Hi, I does anyone know where items in the trash bin are if they aren't in ~/.Trash or /home/.Trash-user?
[12:13] <tanner> ever since i changed to hardy, transfers from disk to anything else is unbelievably slow
[12:13] <genie> DistroJockey, I am using 7.10 I just install my new pc hardware and I load 8.4 on it - I just want to install most of the common codes available for Totem
[12:14] <genie> DistroJockey, so I can playback all my music files with mplayer only
[12:14] <DistroJockey> genie: I stick with flash and the mp's, seems to work
[12:14] <DistroJockey> ohh and the wmv's
[12:15] <genie> flash ?
[12:15] <DistroJockey> and maybe an avi or 2
[12:15] <tanner> erm perhaps that is why.. ext3..
[12:15] <DistroJockey> google video, youtube
[12:16] <DistroJockey> genie: I have not seen a .rm or .ram in ages :)
[12:16] <genie> really?
[12:16] <tanner> DistroJockey: hopefully that is a sign of good fortune :D
[12:16] <DistroJockey> for ages, yeah true
[12:17] <Exilant> tanner: well, ext3 isn't unbelievably slow
[12:17] <tanner> Exilant: no, of course not
[12:17] <DistroJockey> tanner: yeah :)
[12:17] <genie> I normally convert it in my windows to .mp
[12:17] <genie> to .mp3
[12:18] <tanner> perhaps one day open and free standards will reign supreme
[12:18] <ty> hello, my update manager is freezing up as soon as i click install updates, i cant close it same thing happens when i try to use add/remove
[12:18] <DistroJockey> tanner: they already do for people that know what they are doing
[12:19] <DistroJockey> and I'm not saying I'm one of those people totally yet, but I'm getting there :)
[12:19] <tanner> DistroJockey: however i refer to those who provide the content
[12:20] <DistroJockey> tanner: ahh, *nods*
[12:21] <DistroJockey> tanner: restricted = more $ to them I guess
[12:21] <DistroJockey> but also less coverage
[12:24] <tanner> they seem to think so
[12:24] <tanner> but they also believe spending billions on DRM technology will prevent us for circumventing it :D
[12:26] <tanner> eSATA should not be going at 7MB/s
[12:32] <martalli> I have a computer with a fairly full root partition...Not enough space to download all the packages for hardy...Would upgrading witht he alternative CD reduce the amount of packages necessary, or would the packages be unpackaged onto my root partition before installation?
[12:34] <Dr_willis> heh - i seem to have 200+mb of updated a day on my hardy box.
[12:34] <Dr_willis> so it downloads 200+mb, then installs them, then only needs like 10mb more.. but it had to download all 200.
[12:35] <martalli> Yeah...its a tight fit for me: /dev/sda6             5.8G  5.0G  573M  90% /
[12:35] <Exilant> martalli: well, you could temporaryly mount something (usbstick or whatever) as /var/cache
[12:35] <Dr_willis> ick
[12:35] <Dr_willis> martalli,  good idea
[12:36] <Dr_willis> martalli,  thats the ONLY hard drive you got?
[12:36] <martalli> I can do regular updates just fine, it's the upgrade that will be a problem...
[12:36] <Dr_willis> you could even put /var/cache  on some other partition if needed.
[12:36] <Lynoure> usb stick as cache means a quick death for that usb stick...
[12:36] <martalli> lol it's a 300 gb hard drive, but the partitions have been setup wsince back when I was still using windows a lot
[12:36] <Lynoure> lots of writing is not good for them.
[12:36] <Exilant> yes
[12:37] <Dr_willis> I hear that most new usb sticks can handle it.
[12:37] <Exilant> but it should be good for about 10000 cycles
[12:37] <Exilant> 1000 if conservative
[12:37] <h3sp4wn> So people say - I am not sure whether its true now though
[12:37] <Dr_willis> ive had more hard drives die then USB sticks. :)
[12:37] <martalli> Is /var/cache the only directory that needs to be linked elsewhere?
[12:37] <h3sp4wn> I have never broken a usb stick yet
[12:37] <Dr_willis> martalli,  its a good canadate. You may want to move some other stuff around
[12:37] <martalli> Well, I have *physically* broken usb sticks by accident...
[12:38] <Exilant> i think windows vista has some feature to use them as a kind of cache
[12:38] <Lynoure> Dr_willis: in the same time, with same usage? I'd say most usb sticks get very floppy-like usage still.
[12:38] <Dr_willis> if you have a large amount of space on some other partition, you could link /var/cache there.
[12:38] <Dr_willis> I tend to fill up my 4gb stick every day. take it to work, copy stuff over, delete.. repeate..
[12:38] <martalli> Already deleted a fair amount of programs...but this same partition has been upgraded through 6.06 (iirc) and had mandriva on it before that (started with mdk 9.2 actually...)
[12:39] <Exilant> martalli: i did a repartitioning before updating to hardy, had 100% on my / before...
[12:39] <Dr_willis> I think you may want to do some resizing with gparted. :) soon.
[12:40] <martalli> Yeah, I'm thinking of nixing the windows partition and getting vbox setup with xp...Ironically, I will probably use xp *more* often if I can just pop it up with vbox once in a while...
[12:41] <tanner> oh great, now my usb drive isnt recognized
[12:41] <martalli> So what, I delete var/cache and link it to /home/var-cache (different partition: /dev/sda8             153G   56G   90G  39% /home)
[12:42] <h3sp4wn> Why don't you just move /usr somewhere else
[12:42] <Exilant> that should work
[12:42] <Dr_willis> ive had /usr on my /home partition befor :)
[12:42] <Dr_willis> theres some that cant be  moved. but i forget which ones.
[12:42] <Exilant> as long as you don't install that much that it won't fit anymore
[12:42] <h3sp4wn> etc
[12:42] <martalli> Wow, that sounds extreme...but that might work...I'm just afraid something won't copy right....permissions and such
[12:42] <h3sp4wn> No others afaik
[12:42] <Dr_willis> well they are often needed befor others filesystems get mounted.. so moving them and using ln -s, can cause issues
[12:43] <martalli> I think I will clear out the windows partition and repartition...Maybe just get a new hard drive (while they are still selling PATA drives...)
[12:44] <__doc__> I've finally gotten both my screens setup, but this was an exercise in hardcore xorg.conf editing, including the help of nvidia-settings and amic modline generator. none of the tools included on hardy would make any progress whatsoever.
[12:44] <__doc__> I find this a bit frightening, say, for the ordinary user.
[12:45] <Dr_willis> i imagine pata drives will be around for some time...
[12:45] <h3sp4wn> Dr_willis: __doc__ Why was dynamic twinview not working ?
[12:45] <Dr_willis> ive only recently stated seeing SATA Dvd burners at reasonable prices.
[12:45] <Dr_willis> h3sp4wn,  no idea.  I dont recall using 'dynamic' twinview befir.. just 'twinview' :)
[12:45] <__doc__> h3sp4wn: I don't know why it wasn't working. Though I do know that one (of my two identical) monitors isn't giving out an edid
[12:46] <__doc__> h3sp4wn: nvidia-settings recognized at least that there are two screens, but was also unable to dected the monitor.
[12:46] <Dr_willis> ive seen some of the nvidia cards that do NOT like it  - if you powerup WITHOUT both monitors plugged in.
[12:46] <__doc__> h3sp4wn: which is where the modline generator comes in to create the appropriate modeline for that monitor and then hand-configure that in after nvidia-settings.
[12:46] <h3sp4wn> __doc__: But they are identical so you can just get the edid from the one is ok
[12:46] <Dr_willis> I tend to run the nvidia-xconfig --twinview command, then run the sudo nvidia-settings tool
[12:47] <tanner> it seems to be a linux/x server issue
[12:47] <__doc__> h3sp4wn: well, I can get the edid, but there's no way to tell xorg to use that one for the other monitor is there?
[12:47] <h3sp4wn> __doc__: And then manually add it into nvidia-settings
[12:48] <h3sp4wn> __doc__: You can do that still inside nvidia-settings
[12:48] <Dr_willis> finding some example twinview enabled xorg.conf files - and comoaring to yours may help.
[12:49] <__doc__> h3sp4wn: I don't see where that should work.
[12:49] <Dr_willis> you did tell the system to enable twinview with 'nvidia-xconfig --twinview' ?
[12:49] <__doc__> h3sp4wn: I can acquire the edid for the good monitor with nvidia-settings, but there's no way to set it for the other monitor.
[12:50] <h3sp4wn> __doc__: Just provide that edid for both screens
[12:50] <h3sp4wn> The file that is extracted
[12:50] <|DuReX|> pfft :( still trying to get my tv card running, its no go :(
[12:50] <__doc__> h3sp4wn: yes, what to do with it?
[12:52] <__doc__> h3sp4wn: there's nothing I can do with the edid.bin file, I still need that modline and still need to hand-edit xorg.conf
[12:52] <DistroJockey> |DuReX|: not a compro is it?
[12:53] <__doc__> h3sp4wn: I still went trough 5 or so modline calculators (luckily none of which killed my monitor) until I hit one that worked.
[12:53] <__doc__> it's... horrible
[12:53]  * Dr_willis wonders what card and montitors __doc__  has.
[12:54] <__doc__> Dr_willis: Nvidia GeForce 8800 GTS and 2x Sony GDM-FW900
[12:54] <Dr_willis> lcd monitors?
[12:54] <__doc__> Dr_willis: CRT
[12:54] <Dr_willis> Not using dvi conectors?
[12:54] <__doc__> analog
[12:55] <Dr_willis> Ick. :)
[12:55] <__doc__> (like all CRTs)
[12:55] <Dr_willis> Best thing i ever did was get rid of the vga.
[12:55] <tanner> my 1080p LCD TV has a VGA connector
[12:55] <Dr_willis> i have seen crts that use dvi.. But i forget where..  Must of been some uber-high end one.
[12:55] <__doc__> Dr_willis: you won't Ick me when I tell you that the GDM-FW900 has a camery build into the tube that can film the tube backside to do color calibration.
[12:55] <Dr_willis> You must have a very large desk.
[12:55] <__doc__> cammera
[12:55] <tanner> and without some damn tweaking to xorg.conf i cannot get 1080p on that tv
[12:55] <tanner> its a TV, not my monitor :-\
[12:56] <Dr_willis> __doc__,  but you cant even get it working.. so.. ick. :P
[12:56] <__doc__> Dr_willis: it works now, because I'm an über geek user...
[12:56] <Dr_willis> UberUbuntu!
[12:56] <Dr_willis> :) that would be a good name for a new variant!~
[12:56] <Dr_willis> http://news.softpedia.com/news/Top-10-Ubuntu-based-Distributions-78211.shtml
[12:57] <Lynoure> leaf distros seem to be trendy now
[12:58] <Dr_willis> Minibuntu is the tiny Ubuntu remix you can build on! :)
[13:01] <Dr_willis> http://www.fluxbuntu.org/  Never noticed there was a fluxbuntu
[13:03] <Zelta> There is, but it is far from finished
[13:04] <h3sp4wn> fluxbuntu is not bad - doesn't suffer at the hands of Ubuntu the way k and x buntu do
[13:04] <Zelta> Doing a base command line install with fluxbox on top is more efficient
[13:04] <tanner> ugh
[13:04] <tanner> damn program refuses to die
[13:04] <Dr_willis> I would like to see kde and gnome both go more with the 'standard/origiaal/defaults' of kde and gnome.
[13:05] <Dr_willis> Too many distros tweak kde and gnome so much. ya go to some other disrto with kde/gnome and you can end up bery confused. ;P
[13:05] <h3sp4wn> tanner: upstart has never worked as well in such situations for me
[13:05] <tanner> upstart?
[13:05] <h3sp4wn> What they replaced init with
[13:05] <Zelta> Dr_willis: But you could just use Foresight Linux if you wanted something with GNOME not really tweaked at all
[13:05] <Ng> tanner: my TV is hooked up via HDMI rather than VGA, but I found the easiest way to get it to display 1080p was to just move my xorg.conf out of the way and let X detect everything itself ;)
[13:06] <levmatta> does anybody know whats the  default theme now? human or human-murrine ????
[13:06] <tanner> h3sp4wn: not sure how that helps with the fact lsusb refuses to di
[13:06] <tanner> die*
[13:07] <levmatta> anyone?
[13:08] <Dr_willis> Nevernoticed. :) first thing i do is set the theme to Plastik.
[13:09] <h3sp4wn> tanner: Well it (was?) the responsibility of init to deal with it - the user shouldn't have to care
[13:09] <Derspankster> levmatta: why does it matter?
[13:09] <tanner> either way, it refuses to die
[13:10] <tanner> and as a result i am unable to unmount
[13:10] <DistroJockey> levmatta: it's called    human-theme
[13:10] <levmatta> Yeah I guess your right, I just tink that the deafult will continue to evolvve
[13:10] <tanner> Ng: hmm interesting
[13:11] <marcules> ^^
[13:11] <levmatta> so not human murrine, interesting
[13:11] <DistroJockey> levmatta: agreed
[13:11] <DistroJockey> levmatta: who in murrine anyway?
[13:12] <Pici> human-murrine is still there, just not the default iirc.
[13:12] <Zelta> levmatta: The theme is still called "Human," but the engine is now Murrine
[13:12] <DistroJockey> or what
[13:12] <Pici> Zelta: I see both human and human-murrine in my appearance tool.
[13:12] <Zelta> one uses the murrine engine, one does not
[13:13] <levmatta> until last week my ubuntu was  in a theme called "Custom", and that was not my doing
[13:13] <Pici> Yes.
[13:13] <DistroJockey> ohh
[13:13] <Ng> tanner: what state is lsusb in? (ps auwfx | grep lsusb        8th column).. should be R, S, T, D or Z
[13:14] <levmatta> on another topic, I heard that linux is harmfull to laptop HDs
[13:14] <Dr_willis> i recall it showing 'custome' as the theme befor in other ubuntu releases.. I normally 'save'  the default settings to a theme called 'default theme' :)
[13:14] <tanner> S+
[13:14] <Dr_willis> levmatta,  the over-conservitive default powersaving setting on some laptop hard drives are harmfull to laptop hds
[13:14] <Ng> weird, S should mean it's killable
[13:15] <levmatta> so I better use Smartmontools, is that it?
[13:15] <Ng> no
[13:15] <Ng> you better stop believing the nonsense that gets talked about hard disks
[13:15] <Dr_willis> I dont think smartmontools helps much. Check your hd. and if it has the 'problem' enable more senseable power saving modes.
[13:16] <tanner> it will not die
[13:16] <tanner> oh erm
[13:16] <tanner> "D"
[13:16] <Dr_willis> theres a lot of hype on the topic.  and  yes. i have a laptop with the 'issue' and its still going strong after clicking away for 2+ years
[13:16] <tanner> S+ was the grep lsusb command ^_^
[13:16] <Ng> tanner: D means it's waiting for the kernel to respond, so you can't kill it
[13:16] <levmatta> Dr_willis: how do I do that?
[13:16] <h3sp4wn> Dr_willis: What manufacturer is the harddrive ?
[13:17] <tanner> well, the kernel isnt going to respond because part of the framework crashed
[13:17] <Dr_willis> I was thinking it was some hitachi .. but i think the issue affets other drives as well
[13:17] <h3sp4wn> I had a western digital
[13:17] <levmatta> I heard it depends on the mannufacture as well
[13:17] <h3sp4wn> that had the issue there was even a bios update to fix it
[13:17] <Ng> tanner: then lsusb is stuck until you reboot
[13:18] <tanner> so, so annoying
[13:18] <Dr_willis> http://www.linux-hero.com/rant/explanation-ubuntu-hard-drive-wear-and-tear
[13:18] <DreamThief> with hardy beta an latest updates my default xubuntu desktop wont come up anymore. computer was set up yesterday. after logon I only see the wallpaper and that's all. I tried to remove all config files hoping xfce would come up again, but is still does not. anyone got any ideas?
[13:18] <jaffarkelshac> is there a way to install nvidia drivers on my system. its all messed up after update
[13:18] <Ng> levmatta: this is the point - linux doesn't make any changes to the hardware power management settings for the disks, so if your BIOS/HD people are clueless, then maybe your disk will wear out quickly, but it seems to be pretty rare
[13:19] <levmatta> I have a Dell, with the most current BIOS
[13:19] <jaffarkelshac> is there a way to install nvidia drivers on my system. its all messed up after update
[13:19] <Dr_willis> im not even seen any PROOF that the clicking makjes the hd ware out quickly.
[13:19] <Ng> Dr_willis: who needs proof when you have opinions and a blog? ;)
[13:20] <Dr_willis> people say  the life span is reduced.. but really  so the hd lasts 'only' 5 years.. instead of 10..
[13:20] <h3sp4wn> Dr_willis: I know it annoyed the hell out of me
[13:20] <Dr_willis> i couldent even tell mine was clicky till i got it home
[13:20] <levmatta> thank Ng, Dr_Willis and h3sp4wn
[13:21] <h3sp4wn> In the end I just swapped out the drive for one that didn't click - I use the other externally for backing up thats all
[13:21] <dns53> jaffarkelshac install nvidia-glx should install the drivers, there is the legacy drivers as well
[13:21] <savvas> which nvidia model?
[13:22] <jaffarkelshac> i am using 7300gt
[13:22] <savvas> jaffarkelshac: sudo apt-get install nvidia-glx-new
[13:23] <jaffarkelshac> i used locate nvidia and it seems it is already installed
[13:24] <savvas> jaffarkelshac: did you download it from the nvidia.com site?
[13:24] <jaffarkelshac> i have not downloaded anything yet from nvidia
[13:24] <savvas> and you shouldn't :P
[13:24] <savvas> um, do this: uname -a
[13:25] <savvas> what's the output?
[13:25] <jaffarkelshac> Linux Chapai 2.6.24-14-generic #1 SMP Thu Apr 3 04:49:29 UTC 2008 i686 GNU/Linux
[13:26] <savvas> chapai?
[13:26] <jaffarkelshac> hostname
[13:26] <savvas> oh ok
[13:27] <h3sp4wn> jaffarkelshac: On a card such as yours its might be worth trying nvidia-glx and nvidia-glx-new
[13:27] <savvas> jaffarkelshac: apt-cache policy linux-restricted-modules-2.6.24-14-generic | grep Installed
[13:27] <h3sp4wn> (Different bugs)
[13:28] <jaffarkelshac> savvas, 2.6.24.12-14.32 is the output
[13:29] <savvas> it should work then, try this: apt-cache policy nvidia-glx-new | grep Installed
[13:30] <DreamThief> with hardy beta and latest updates my default xubuntu desktop wont come up anymore. computer was set up yesterday. after logon I only see the wallpaper and that's all. I tried to remove all config files hoping xfce would come up again, but is still does not. anyone got any ideas?
[13:32] <h3sp4wn> DreamThief: Try stopping gdm and just using ciniy
[13:32] <h3sp4wn> *xinit
[13:32] <Dr_willis> or 'startx' and look at the logs/output.
[13:32] <h3sp4wn> Dr_willis: Then you can run - startxfce4 from the xterm you get
[13:33] <savvas> jaffarkelshac: apt-cache policy nvidia-glx-new | grep Installed
[13:33] <Dr_willis> h3sp4wn,  bingo. :) if you set up your .xinitrc you can get a nice xterm to toy with.
[13:33] <jaffarkelshac>  169.12+2.6.24.12-14.32 savvas
[13:34] <savvas> jaffarkelshac: sudo apt-get install --reinstall nvidia-glx-new
[13:35] <savvas> jaffarkelshac: tell me when it's done
[13:37] <jaffarkelshac> savvas, done
[13:37] <savvas> jaffarkelshac: sudo nvidia-xconfig
[13:37] <DreamThief> h3sp4wn: wait a minute
[13:38] <jaffarkelshac> i get a validation error, xorg.conf needs driver line
[13:38] <DreamThief> h3sp4wn: this works, but only starts plain x with a terminal emulator ^^
[13:38] <h3sp4wn> DreamThief: Thats what its supposed to do
[13:38] <savvas> jaffarkelshac: sudo dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg
[13:38] <DreamThief> h3sp4wn: ;)
[13:39] <jaffarkelshac> savvas,  that option never gives me any graphics option
[13:39] <DreamThief> h3sp4wn: okay, so any other ideas? *g*
[13:39] <h3sp4wn> DreamThief: just run ''startxfce4 &''
[13:39] <DreamThief> okay
[13:39] <h3sp4wn> DreamThief: If this works is not xfce at all (its gdm or something else)
[13:39] <DreamThief> h3sp4wn:
[13:39] <DreamThief> wow
[13:39] <DreamThief> :D
[13:39] <DreamThief> #it worked
[13:39] <DreamThief> halleluja
[13:39] <DreamThief> ;)
[13:40] <savvas> jaffarkelshac, never mind that just try: sudo dpkg-reconfigure -phigh xserver-xorg
[13:40] <jaffarkelshac> savvas, done
[13:40] <savvas> jaffarkelshac: sudo nvidia-xconfig
[13:41] <jaffarkelshac> VALIDATION ERROR: Data incomplete in file /etc/X11/xorg.conf.
[13:41] <jaffarkelshac>                   Device section "Configured Video Device" must have a Driver
[13:41] <jaffarkelshac>                   line.
[13:41] <savvas> bah
[13:41] <savvas> jaffarkelshac: you have a graphical interface there right?
[13:42] <jaffarkelshac> yeah
[13:42] <DreamThief> hm
[13:42] <savvas> jaffarkelshac: gksudo gedit /etc/X11/xorg.conf
[13:42] <pepie34> still having no wifi with the new kernel update
[13:42] <pepie34> any one else?
[13:42] <savvas> jaffarkelshac: find Section "Device"
[13:42] <DreamThief> so where to start for debugging if its a gdm or otherwise related problem?
[13:42] <h3sp4wn> DreamThief: If you use startx instead of xinit then you get the window manager loading mnormally
[13:42] <Dr_willis> The new Minimal-X config setup confused the nvidia setting tools.
[13:43] <savvas> jaffarkelshac: add this line in the section: Driver "nvidia"
[13:43] <h3sp4wn> DreamThief: Try an alternative maybe
[13:43] <jaffarkelshac> savvas, brb
[13:43] <Dr_willis> DreamThief,  isntall a different window maanger, (like jwm) and edit .xinitrc tolaunch it, and try 'startx' also. as a test
[13:43] <savvas> jaffarkelshac: save, close gedit and then do: sudo nvidia-xconfig
[13:43] <savvas> jaffarkelshac: ok
[13:44] <h3sp4wn> DreamThief: I would usually try xdm
[13:44] <DreamThief> startx also produces only wallpaper and cursor
[13:44] <DreamThief> nothing else
[13:44] <DreamThief> okay, i'll try xdm
[13:44] <Dr_willis> DreamThief,  its trying to launch gnome. check the console, with alt-ctrl-f1 to see if any erorr messages are showing up as you run X
[13:45] <jaffarkelshac> it worked savvas
[13:45] <savvas> jaffarkelshac: ok, now restart your gnome with ctrl-alt-backspace :)
[13:45] <DreamThief> Dr_willis: thx, i'll have a look
[13:45] <savvas> jaffarkelshac: or logoff :)
[13:47] <Dr_willis> Hmm... at the fluxbuntu web site. and i cant even find a download link. :)
[13:47] <Dr_willis> http://www.fluxbuntu.org/js.html
[13:47] <DreamThief> Dr_willis: it's a server install with sudo apt-get install xubuntu-desktop
[13:48] <DreamThief> hm, with xdm it still doesn't work as expected
[13:48] <Dr_willis> DreamThief,  they dont state that at the web site. :) they imply its not.. but then again.. they dont sacutlly Say a lot...
[13:48] <DreamThief> *grml*
[13:49] <DreamThief> woah
[13:49] <Dr_willis> aha - what a badly done web site.. each initial page has a 'get more information link' that lead you to another page..
[13:49] <DreamThief> damn
[13:50] <jf> Why doesn't shortcut to home dir work?
[13:50] <DreamThief> lol
[13:50] <DreamThief> it works
[13:50] <DreamThief> it was just sudo update-alternatives --config x-session-manager
[13:51] <DreamThief> Dr_willis: as you said, it wanted to start gnome instead of xfce
[13:51] <DreamThief> thanks for your help everyone
[13:51] <jf> DreamThief: Not in hardy, for me.
[13:51] <Dr_willis> DreamThief,  :) sounds like a gnome/gnome settings issue
[13:52] <Dr_willis> DreamThief,  make .xinitrc just launch a terminal, then try 'gnome-session' in the terminal to see all sorts of fancy info/error messages
[13:52] <savvas> jaffarkelshac: works?
[13:52] <h3sp4wn> or just remove gnome if you didn't even want it in the first place
[13:53] <jaffarkelshac> savvas i got a input not supported, but luckily i had vnc set p and changed the refresh rate which was now available. so yes it works. thank you
[13:53] <Dr_willis> apt-get install jwm
[13:53] <Dr_willis> :)
[13:53] <h3sp4wn> (Change it so you don't get recommends as depends while you are at it)
[13:54] <savvas> jaffarkelshac: you can setup the xorg.conf properly with the screens and graphics tool: gksu displayconfig-gtk
[13:54] <jaffarkelshac> savvas, you have been most helpful thanks
[13:54] <savvas> n/p :)
[13:55] <CoasterMaster> So if my machine shut down during an upgrade (I pressed the power button on my laptop expecting the log off, shut down, lock screen etc) to lock my screen but it just started shutting down), I'm pretty much hosed, yeah?
[13:55] <jaffarkelshac> savvas, what is the diff between using gksu or sudo
[13:55] <Pici> CoasterMaster: uh. If it was in the downloading stage, you're probably fine. If not.  Then yes, you're probably sol.
[13:55] <savvas> CoasterMaster: not necessarily, this should do the trick: sudo apt-get -f install
[13:56] <zengen> Hi, is there anything to be aware of if I'm using Gutsy's latest kernel with Hardy right now?  I switch to it when I need to run vmware.
[13:56] <CoasterMaster> Pici, oh yeah it would have been nice if it was downloading packages, but no such luck :(
[13:57] <Pici> CoasterMaster: If what savvas suggested didn't work, I dont think it would be worth the effort of figuring out what exactly is wrong.
[13:57] <IdleOne> usualy install -f should do the trick
[13:57] <CoasterMaster> Pici, yeah I'll do that.  I'm in the LiveCD right now (awesome recovery tool) and I'm planning on copying my home folder and re-installing.  Oh well it happens
[13:58] <h3sp4wn> CoasterMaster: Shouldn't be too bad
[13:58] <CoasterMaster> savvas, IdleOne I'll give sudo apt-get install -f
[13:58] <CoasterMaster> although I'm assuming if I boot in to the command line, wifi won't be connected
[13:58] <ampex> is switching display resolutions in kde not working with kubuntu 8.04?
[13:58] <effie_jayx> is virtualbox broken atm?
[13:59] <IdleOne> CoasterMaster: if not sounds like you already have a good action plan. think about creating a seperate /home if you do end up re-installing
[13:59] <CoasterMaster> IdleOne, ya know I did that once but for some reason I didn't like it.....hmmmm
[14:00] <ampex> effie_jayx: virtualbox downloaded from sun works fine here
[14:00] <ampex> effie_jayx: I don't use the ubuntu repository version
[14:00] <savvas> CoasterMaster: it doesn't have to be connected, 1) if you were in the downloading stage, as Pici said, nothing should be wrong 2) if you have passed the downloading level, it probably got what it needed for an upgrade :)
[14:00] <effie_jayx> ampex,  well I tried the version from the repos and seems broken... dependecies not met
[14:01] <CoasterMaster> savvas, oh good point...I didn't even think of that!
[14:01] <CoasterMaster> well, I'm goin off to try this
[14:01] <h3sp4wn> CoasterMaster: Worst you are likely to have to do is manually edit a few files
[14:02] <savvas> "break a laptop" - instead of a leg ;p
[14:02] <h3sp4wn> (that are corrupted - and then reinstall all the last update to be safe - 10 mins max
[14:02] <IdleOne> hehe
[14:02] <effie_jayx> can I report that as a bug?
[14:02] <jaffarkelshac> when i have to use multiply application that both use sound i have to close one before sound comes though the other. any work around?
[14:03] <savvas> h3sp4wn: in that case, i'd put in a live cd and chroot and reinstall ubuntu-desktop :P
[14:04] <_MMA_> Anyone know about /dev/vboxdrv not being created currently?
[14:04] <savvas> effie_jayx: probably its dependencies aren't built yet, it's not a bug, just a priority push :)
[14:04] <ampex> I rebooted after installing some updates and my resolution is 640x480 with nvidia hardware
[14:04] <effie_jayx> ok
[14:04] <effie_jayx> savvas,
[14:04] <jaffarkelshac> i just got mine fixed by savvas
[14:05] <savvas> oh noes
[14:05] <jaffarkelshac> why is this such a problem
[14:05] <h3sp4wn> savvas: What would you do - if you was a train didn't bother to bring anything - and it had to be fixed urgently
[14:06] <dotech> ouch.
[14:06] <savvas> h3sp4wn: call an engineer hehehe
[14:06] <dotech> yea, thats basically what we're asked to do on a daily basis haha
[14:06] <dotech> except its not just a broken train, its typically a train wreck
[14:07] <CardinalFang> Moin.  Is there a new x-configurator in hardy?  other than "sudo dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg"?
[14:07] <savvas> ampex: http://irclogs.ubuntu.com/2008/04/04/%23ubuntu+1.html - start reading from (search for): which nvidia model
[14:10] <ampex> savvas: hard to tell what the actual fix was
[14:10] <ampex> savvas: so dpkg-reconfigure xorg-server doesn't add Device now?
[14:10] <ampex> savvas: is there a replacement?
[14:13] <savvas> ampex: no idea, i told him to add that line and it fixed it
[14:13] <savvas> apart from that, someone should file a bug about it :)
[14:14] <ampex> I believe I'm still using the nvidia driver
[14:16] <ampex> but my resolution is 640x480 and I don't know what/how to edit the xorg.conf to get 1280x1024 back
[14:26] <h3sp4wn> ampex: Once you are in X can it be changed with xrandr
[14:35] <nacho> Hi
[14:35] <nacho> are there any possibility to include gtranslator from trunk in hardy?
[14:58] <qaws> hi, how can I fix hardy pls, when I cannot run apt-get update, because it results in "FATAL -> Could not set non-blocking flag Bad file descriptor  E: Method http has died unexpectedly!" I am now only chrooted to hardy, because it does not want to start
[15:02] <justdave> so on Hardy when I put a DVD in, there's an app that comes up and tries to play it...
[15:02] <justdave> how do I disable that?
[15:02] <justdave> I can't find anything obvious anywhere
[15:03] <justdave> it's a MythTV box, it's interfering with Myth being able to play the DVDs, because this other app (which isn't labeled anywhere in its UI what it's name is) keeps grabbing it first
[15:04] <justdave> ok, found a matching icon, looks like it's totem
[15:05] <justdave> there's a "Removable Drives and Media" control panel that has a CD for an icon, so you'd think it would be in there, but there's no mention of CDs or DVDs in that panel
[15:05] <justdave> just Cameras, PDAs, Printers & Scanners, and Input Devices
[15:06] <h3sp4wn> justdave: Does it still do that if dbus and hal are not running ?
[15:06] <h3sp4wn> look in /etc/dbus-1
[15:07] <Ng> justdave: it's in nautilus preferences
[15:07] <qaws> my problem is solved, tgx
[15:07] <qaws> *thx
[15:09] <Ng> the removeable device settings used to be in the Removeable Drives and Media thing, but nautilus handles it now
[15:09] <Ng> apart from a few bits which are still in the (now confusingly named) Removeable drives thingy
[15:09] <justdave> and the Nautilus prefs aren't easy to find.
[15:10] <justdave> have to actually open a browser window first :)
[15:10] <justdave> found it though
[15:10] <justdave> thanks
[15:10] <Ng> you can run nautilus-file-management-properties and there used to be a preferences menu item for it back in edgy/feisty, but it was removed
[15:10] <Ng> the preferences list is quite full enough already ;)
[15:11] <justdave> hmm, dvd device location must have changed, too
[15:12] <justdave> myth is telling me
[15:12] <justdave> libdvdread: Can't stat /dev/dvd
[15:12] <justdave> No such file or directory
[15:12] <justdave> looks like /dev/scd0 is where it's showing up now
[15:13] <justdave> there's a symlink to that from /dev/dvd1, but no /dev/dvd
[15:13]  * justdave adds another symlink
[15:13] <Ng> that sounds like myth is being unhelpful and hal isn't making a /dev/dvd link
[15:14] <h3sp4wn> You can just add your own udev rule if you want
[15:14] <justdave> and I have no sound....
[15:15] <justdave> because I just rebooted and forgot to pick the -12 kernel off the grub menu
[15:15] <justdave> sound is broken in -14 on my system
[15:15]  * justdave reboots
[15:16]  * justdave makes a note to change the default in grub.conf after it comes back up
[15:18] <DanaG> Oh, look at the /etc/udev/rules.d/70-persistent-cdrom.rules
[15:19] <DanaG> That sets symlink names.
[15:19] <justdave> hmm, -12 puts dvd -> hda
[15:19] <justdave> -14 puts dvd1 -> scd0
[15:20] <DanaG> Aah, I see... it must've changed what PATA or SATA driver it was using.
[15:20] <DanaG> hda is the old IDE subsystem; scd0 is the new SCSI-based version.
[15:23] <yahuuu> i want to install ubuntu 7.10 on my 2nd HDD, i have 2 HDD in my pc, 1 for windows and other i want to install ubuntu, when i restart the pc and click on the install button, my screen turns black and display this message by ubuntu " (initramfs) type help for more commands
[15:23] <Arelis> Hardy's been delayed?
[15:24] <Lamego> no
[15:24] <Arelis> Hardy in #ubuntu+1 (release in June, see https://wiki.ubuntu.com/HardyHeron or #ubuntu+1
[15:25] <_ruben> !hardy
[15:25] <ubotu> Hardy Heron is the code name for the next release of Ubuntu (8.04-LTS), due April 24, 2008 - For more info, see: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/HardyHeron - CONSIDER IT TO BE BETA SOFTWARE - Discussion and support in #ubuntu+1, NOT #ubuntu
[15:25] <Hairufr> Hey all, is Xorg broken? I have some issues. It refuses to adjust my resolution when I use the nvidia driver, autoconfig is broken, only works for keyboard and I cannot manually configure xorg conf, it just resets the res to 640x800
[15:27] <Templer> hi there have many you guys tried the new ubuntu "hardy"?
[15:27] <Hairufr> Templer: I have, besides my resolution problems it works fine on my system
[15:27] <DanaG> http://troy-sobotka.blogspot.com/2008/03/hardy-heron-wallpaper-fela-kuti-botch.html
[15:27] <yahuuu> i want to install ubuntu 7.10 on my 2nd HDD, i have 2 HDD in my pc, 1 for windows and other i want to install ubuntu, when i restart the pc and click on the install button, my screen turns black and display this message by ubuntu " (initramfs) type help for more commands
[15:28] <DanaG> I'd a gree with those.
[15:28] <Templer> is it much of an improvement
[15:28] <_ruben> yahuuu: 7.10 is not ubuntu+1 material
[15:28] <yahuuu> cant u guys help me ?
[15:28] <Templer> ya i had loads of resolution problems when i upgraded to gusty
[15:28] <Hairufr> yahuuu: You just asked in #ubuntu be patient and wait for an answer :)
[15:29] <yahuuu> grrrr
[15:29] <yahuuu> they are talking to each other :)
[15:29] <Lynoure> yahuuu: this is not support channel for 7.10 at all
[15:29] <Hairufr> Templer: Same here, it's very annoying, but I was able to make it work, nvidia driver refuses to work with 8
[15:29] <Hairufr> yahuuu: Be patient, if someone knows, someone will answer
[15:29] <googlah> yahuuu: Join #ubuntu for that
[15:29] <yahuuu> ok :)
[15:29] <Templer> ya thats the prob i had with nvidia and it eventually blew a monitor
[15:30] <Templer> with wrong driver
[15:30] <Hairufr> Templer: Know if it's a driver or xorg issue? I have a 7950gt
[15:30] <Hairufr> Templer: And I had that accused for a while, because it broke out of the blue, even tried older releases, same problems
[15:31] <Templer> dont know how but it was caused my it to overheat first
[15:31] <Templer> there were 2 nvidia drivers
[15:31] <Hairufr> annoying
[15:31] <Templer> as far as i can remember
[15:31] <Templer> i had the wrong one first
[15:31] <igormorgado> i have notice that mouse acceleration control has problems, when I try to tune it, it drops to left and my mouse stay too slow. No matter how I try to move the slide bar to right it come back to left. I have to xset m 2 to make my pointer usable. Any ideas?
[15:31] <Hairufr> Well, I'll just wait for the final, can't be bothered fixing it
[15:32] <Templer> nv and nivida i they were called i think nv was the one which worked
[15:32] <h3sp4wn> Hairufr: What makes you think the final is going to be any better ?
[15:32] <Templer> one sec i will go back through the konsole
[15:32] <Hairufr> h3sp4wn: Hope?
[15:32] <Hairufr> hehe
[15:33] <Hairufr> h3sp4wn: I'm thinking it's an nvidia or xorg problem, so it probably won't
[15:34] <Pici> igormorgado: If you are using Hardy, please do not ask the questions in #ubuntu as well.
[15:36] <h3sp4wn> igormorgado: Is this a laptop with an external mouse ?
[15:38] <nonix4> hmm... unfortunately I need sun-java6-bin - which seems to be broken: complains that libjli.so (which it installs) is not anywhere to be found by LD at dpkg --configure time. How do I fix that?
[15:39] <igormorgado> Pici: im using both.
[15:39] <igormorgado> Pici: and both had this problem
[15:39] <igormorgado> h3sp4wn: no.
[15:39] <h3sp4wn> igormorgado: Try forcing evdev
[15:40] <nonix4> "This bug has 11 duplicates" ... ok, I guess it is known at least.
[15:46] <quentusrex> Why in the world won't Hardy let me run firefox2??
[15:46] <quentusrex> Every time I run the firefox two link, or the bin directly it runs the new firefox 3 beta
[15:46] <quentusrex> I don't want the beta yet....
[15:47] <justdave> do --no-remote or --noremote or something like that
[15:48] <quentusrex> thanks
[15:48] <quentusrex> that helped...
[15:48] <quentusrex> I was really getting pissed off....
[15:49] <m1r> hello
[15:49] <justdave> the firefox command is actually a shell script that sends an IPC message to the app
[15:50] <justdave> and it'll find the most recent version you have apparently
[15:50] <justdave> the --noremote thing makes it directly launch the app it goes with instead of doing the IPC message thing
[15:50] <justdave> the purpose of the IPC message is so if you open a new URL and firefox is already running it opens a new window/tab in the existing firefox instead of starting a new one
[15:51] <quentusrex> that might be useful, but I wish it asked me first
[15:51] <quentusrex> I specifically was trying to run the old version
[15:52] <quentusrex> because my favorite add-ons aren't ready for 3.0
[15:52] <elmargol> how do I reconfigure my keyboard? My numblock is not working :(
[15:52] <m1r> anyone using prism54usb adapters ?
[15:53] <genie> Hello everybody
[15:53] <quentusrex> justdave, you might know the answer to this. Why is it that when I try to launch a jnpl file firefox 3.0 gives me the java control console, but firefox 2.0 just runs the program like it should...
[15:53] <quentusrex> I can't find out how to exit the java control panel and run the program...
[15:53] <genie> need a realplay codecs for mplayer how to install it in 8.4?
[15:53] <justdave> quentusrex: dunno on that one.
[15:56] <omar> I know this is gonna sound stupid, but what is the <SUPER> key?
[15:56] <quentusrex> omar, it's the windows key
[15:56] <omar> quentusrex: Oh! I got it now! Thanks. ^_^
[15:57] <quentusrex> welcome
[15:57] <justdave> or if you're on a Mac keyboard, it's the Apple/Command key
[16:00] <overridex> how do i stop rhytmbox from opening when i connect a media device via usb? i don't see it under prefs -> removeable drives
[16:22] <bicyclis1> overridex have a look at preferred applications there is multimedia where you can decide what to open
[16:28] <DG19075> I've just installed Firefox 3 Beta 5. Anyone get Java to work in it yet?
[16:30] <mlo> Hello, can someone tell me if the latest Ubuntu beta supports the ATI HD 3850 out of the box, or would I have to experiment with drivers from Ati/Amd's website?
[16:31] <compwiz18> mlo: I think it will, because it is using newer drivers
[16:31] <compwiz18> haven't tried it though, but I will be in the near future ;)
[16:32] <DG19075>  I've just installed Firefox 3 Beta 5. Anyone get Java to work in it yet?
[16:34] <nemo> DG19075: unless things have changed recently, when I switched to Hardy, Hardy's plugin layout was a total mess
[16:34] <bwlang> i've just noticed that something is wrong with cd permissions...  /media/cdrom0 correctly changes owner on mount, but it changes permissions to 000 - couldn't find a bug on this - maybe #196850 is related?  Is this a known problem?
[16:34] <nemo> DG19075: you may find the java plugin is being installed in the wrong one of a dozen or so Gecko plugin directories hardy uses
[16:34] <nemo> DG19075: you will have to, in that case, manually correct the symlink.
[16:35] <sarcher> I installed 8.04 Beta and my sound card didn't work. I ran the following commands "sudo apt-get install module-assistant", "sudo m-a update" "sudo m-a prepare" "sudo m-a a-i alsa"
[16:35] <DG19075> ouch
[16:35] <bwlang> is it hal that does the permission setting?
[16:35] <sarcher> After doing that and rebooting sound worked, but I get "Failed to initialize HAL"
[16:35] <sarcher> network no longer works
[16:37] <sarcher> yee haw :)
[16:38] <owen1> did anynoe has problems after yesturday's updates? i see brown screen with no UI and can only get to terminal via katapult.
[16:38] <Arand> Running Ubuntu on laptop here, no problems noticed.
[16:39] <Pici> Same here
[16:39] <HorizonXP> firefox 3 beta 5 package out yet?
[16:40] <Arand> But then again, it didn't fix _any_ of the problems I have (bleh!)
[16:40] <owen1> can anyone trubleshoot my problem? brown screen. no UI..
[16:41] <owen1> i tried running with previous kernel but it didn't work.
[16:41] <bwlang> owen1: if you can't trouble shoot it yourself, you shouldn't use hardy.
[16:41] <Arand> well that's kinda harsh...
[16:41] <bwlang> owen1: the kernel is unrelated to your trouble - maybe a broken gdm?
[16:41] <bicyclist> Wasn't there an update that included gdm and some other things ?
[16:42] <bwlang> Arand: don't mean to be harsh, but seriously "brown screen", help?
[16:43] <owen1> bwlang: how can i verify that it's gdm? i can log in. after the login i see the brown screen.
[16:43] <Arand> yea, so probably GDM-related in some way or other...
[16:43] <bwlang> owen1: probably not gdm related then, really - don't use hardy yet- it's not ready.
[16:43] <bicyclist> Ah you can log in so it seems a program is hanging ??
[16:43] <bicyclist> Sounds like a piece of software just eats up all ressources.
[16:44] <bicyclist> How long do you wait before trying again ?
[16:44] <owen1> bicyclist: i can login. but i can't do anything since the screen is brown. i use katapult to get terminal.
[16:44] <Arand> owen1: what video driver are you using?
[16:44] <DG19075> nemo: It looks like the thing is a mess. How would I reset ther symlinks?
[16:45] <owen1> Arand: not sure. i use sony vaio. what command line will tell me the driver?
[16:47] <bwlang> owen1: if you're determined, try creating a new user sounds like a profile problem to me.
[16:47] <bicyclist> owen1: can you open a second terminal and check what processes are running (try top and see what eats up most )
[16:47] <owen1> bwlang: i tried creating new user. it didn't help.
[16:48] <owen1> bicyclist:yes. 1 sec.
[16:49] <owen1> bicyclist: cpu-wise - xorg, hald
[16:49] <bicyclist> how much do they use ?
[16:49] <owen1> bicyclist: gnome-terminanl
[16:50] <owen1> bicyclist: nothing. around 1.3
[16:50] <bicyclist> Hmmm.
[16:50] <owen1> 1.3%
[16:50] <bicyclist> So to me it looks like some process is waiting for a reaction of a peripheral and goes into an endless loop
[16:51] <bicyclist> If a new user behaves the same we probably really have a bug somewhere.
[16:51] <bicyclist> Does this happen with gnome AND kde ?
[16:51] <owen1> i can open applications from terminal.
[16:51] <owen1> bicyclist: not sure. i have gnome.
[16:51] <owen1> bicyclist: how do i get kde?
[16:52] <bicyclist> Well maybe it would be enough to use kdm instead of gdm for a try ?
[16:52] <owen1> bicyclist: sure. how do i do that?
[16:52] <bicyclist> Wait a sec,. have to look that up
[16:53] <Arand> didn't you say you were using Katapult?
[16:53] <bicyclist> sudo dpkg-reconfigure gdm
[16:53] <bwlang> it's not gdm... he can log in.  it's just that the session manager is not starting.
[16:53] <bicyclist> Hmm. bwlang could it be an access rights problem then ?
[16:54] <owen1> bwlang: yea. i can login. i even hear the music..
[16:54] <bwlang> owen1: just reinstall
[16:54] <bwlang> it's going to be a pain in the ass to figure out where the problem lies
[16:54] <owen1> ok. i will put the cd and hope for good. maybe i'll not use hardy for now...
[16:55] <bicyclist> owen1: It is always risky trying something beta ;)
[16:55] <bwlang> owen1: one thing to keep in mind, put your user files on a different partition so you can wipe things clean during a reinstall
[16:55] <owen1> bwlang: thanks a lot guys. true. it's playing with fire.
[16:56] <bicyclist> But with a good fire extinguisher, well worth the effort.
[16:56] <owen1> bwlang: so when i put the cd i should create 3 partitions - swap, ex3 and another one form user files?
[16:56] <owen1> for
[16:57] <bwlang> owen1: that's what i do
[16:57] <bwlang> owen1: and i don't use ext3.
[16:58] <RyanPrior> I'm having some minor trouble with my graphics card. I want to have direct rendering capability, but my glxinfo says "direct rendering: No (LIBGL_ALWAYS_INDIRECT set)"
[16:58] <RyanPrior> I'm using fglrx, which I just installed using the hardware driver manager.
[16:58] <owen1> bwlang: ok. going to work. thanks all!
[17:01] <bicyclist> good luck owen1
[17:11] <Arand> anybody here dual booting hardy with XP?
[17:11] <osteenbergen> Good evening
[17:11] <osteenbergen> yeah i did
[17:11] <Arand> 'evening
[17:11] <RyanPrior> Arand: It's pretty easy to set up. There are some good tutorials, and we can help you through any rough spots.
[17:11] <Arand> Nah, it's working for m.
[17:12] <osteenbergen> I believe that it is pretty hard to not be able to boot windows
[17:12] <eklof> Hi,.
[17:12] <Arand> but I was wondering if anybody else is able to set non-write access on the NTFS-partition?
[17:13] <eklof> Is there any known bugs in the current version of networkmanager? My wifi is never reconnected now when it is woken from sleep.
[17:13] <osteenbergen> No i got full acces to NTFS.. because music and downloads are stored on that drive
[17:13] <HorizonXP> firefox 3 beta 5 package out yet?
[17:13] <osteenbergen> not know.. google for it HorizonXP
[17:13] <osteenbergen> eklof is the driver loaded after sleep?
[17:13] <Arand> As of lately (Alpha6) I can no longer set the NTFS partition to read+execute only.
[17:14] <RyanPrior> HorizonXP: Package isn't out, but you can download the tarball if you're desperate. :-)
[17:14] <osteenbergen> Hmmz arand i will have a look
[17:14] <RyanPrior> Arand: if you can't do it the same way you did before, it's probably a bug.
[17:15] <Arand> I've edited fstab to umask=027 and tried chmodding to g=rx... but I still get write access...
[17:16] <eklof> osteenbergen: don't know, I can't choose or even activate the wifi after a sleep. I need to reboot to make it work again.
[17:16] <goodhabit> Hello. I have moved to ubuntu from debian. Is it debian-way updating (just changing repos version @ sources.list and dist-upgrade is ok?
[17:16] <RyanPrior> eklof: There are certainly known bugs, but I don't know whether your particular problem can be easily pinpointed by somebody without considerable knowledge of NetworkManager's setup. Have you asked on their email list or searched their bugtracker?
[17:17] <osteenbergen> eklof then the driver is probably not loaded after a sleep
[17:17] <bwlang> could somebody put a cd in and check to see if /media/cdrom0 has the correct permissions (i want to be sure it's not a local problem before i file a bug)
[17:17] <Arand> bug is #190329, and I'm wondering if more people are experiencing this...
[17:17] <bwlang> goodhabit: yep
[17:17] <osteenbergen> Yeah arand.. i cant disable the write mode also
[17:18] <osteenbergen> ntfs-config also doesn't disable the write mode
[17:18] <HorizonXP> RyanPrior: thanks. not that desperate yet!
[17:18] <goodhabit> bwlang, thanks. last question - what do you think about hardy for now - is it ok for deskop using, or it still have some huge troubles?
[17:18] <osteenbergen> eklof: what is your wireless driver?
[17:18] <Arand> okay, then it must be a regressive bug then...
[17:18] <osteenbergen> yeah probably
[17:19] <RyanPrior> bwlang: http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/62129/
[17:19] <bwlang> goodhabit: if you're quite experienced in debian, you'll be fine. it's like running unstable. - you have to know what you're doing. but generally stuff works
[17:19] <RyanPrior> bwlang: That's what /media/cdrom0 looks like for me with the Hardy Beta 3 CD in the drive, if it helps you out any.
[17:19] <bwlang> goodhabit: eg: right now i'm having some trouble with permission on my cdrom
[17:19] <mpontillo> Arand: try adding "ro," before "defaults" in your fstab?
[17:19] <Arand> it's kinda weird since when i "ls -l" the partition it says it should be write-protected
[17:20] <goodhabit> bwlang, thanks for info.
[17:20] <Arand> okay will try that...
[17:20] <bwlang> RyanPrior: thanks, could you do ls -ld /media/cdrom0 ? it's the mount point that seems to have 000
[17:21] <osteenbergen> sudo chmod also doesn't work on NTFS drive to disable it
[17:21] <RyanPrior> bwland:
[17:21] <RyanPrior> ryan@ryan-laptop:~$ ls -ld /media/cdrom0
[17:21] <RyanPrior> dr-xr-xr-x 13 root root 4096 2008-01-09 02:19 /media/cdrom0
[17:22] <bwlang> RyanPrior: thanks, is that with something mounted?
[17:23] <RyanPrior> bwlang: That's with Hardy a3 mounted.
[17:23] <bwlang> RyanPrior: i have 555 like you with nothing mounted.
[17:23] <bwlang> RyanPrior: but i have 000 when i mount something.
[17:23] <bwlang> RyanPrior: must be a local issue
[17:24] <RyanPrior> bwlang: when I have no CD mounted, I get
[17:24] <RyanPrior> ryan@ryan-laptop:~$ ls -ld /media/cdrom0
[17:24] <RyanPrior> drwxr-xr-x 2 root root 4096 2008-03-24 11:27 /media/cdrom0
[17:25] <RyanPrior> So that is definitely a strange behaviour.
[17:25] <bwlang> RyanPrior: i just looked again, i see 755 like you - misrememberd before
[17:25] <bwlang> RyanPrior: if you don't my spending time with me, could you post the cdrom line from your /etc/fstab? mines
[17:25] <bwlang> /dev/scd0       				/media/cdrom0	udf,iso9660 user,noauto,exec 0       0
[17:26] <bwlang> tried putting in a mode=0666 there but that didn't do anything
[17:26] <RyanPrior> Off topic: I want to change then name of "root" on my box to "woot" so my ls -l says "drwxr-xr-x 2 woot woot"
[17:27] <Arand> osteenberger: It worked! thanks a bunch. Still odd that all the other things didn't work...
[17:27] <RyanPrior> bwlang: I've got /dev/hdc        /media/cdrom0   udf,iso9660 user,noauto,exec 0       0
[17:27] <bwlang> RyanPrior: funny, should be fine to just edit /etc/passwd to do that. - but some programs might have trouble and look for user name "root" instead of uid 0 whent testing root
[17:27] <bwlang> RyanPrior: i wonder if this is a scsi issue....
[17:28] <bwlang> anybody with a scsi cd (/dev/scd0) able to check their permissions on /media/cdrom0 (ls -ld /media/cdrom0) with a cd mounted ?
[17:32] <Arand> If setting "ro" option in fstab (for NTFS part.) works, but setting umask=027 or chmodding the mountpoint doesn't work, what could that be because of?
[17:34] <mpontillo> Arand: umask only takes only for newly created files. I am not sure what meaning a chmod on a mount point would have. Once the FS is mounted, wouldn't that new FS take over the permissions on its root directory (mount point?).
[17:35] <RyanPrior> ro, ro, ro your filesystem, gently down the iostream
[17:35] <mpontillo> *only takes effect for newly created files
[17:39] <Arand> but if the mount point and a file below it shows up as drwxr-x--- I shouldn't be able to delete that file without root, right?
[17:40] <Ng> Arand: assuming it's owned by route, correct
[17:43] <Arand> that was my problem, that I was able to write/delete it still, as non-root.
[17:44] <Arand> Ah, now I see, the ro option set the whole thing to ro, not even root can write (makes sense...), so it's not the complete solution to that problem...
[17:47] <x1250> hey guys, do any of you have a working ubuntu-sound? login/logout music working? I do have my sound card working and ubuntu-sounds installed, but for some reason system sounds are not working at all...
[17:48] <Arand> Yea, sound works for me just fine at the moment... (up-to-date)
[17:49] <Simpl3x> help, whenever I run synaptic I get the error message "dpkg was interrupted, you must manually run 'dpkg --configure -a' to correct this problem"
[17:49] <Simpl3x> but when I run dpkg --configure -a i get this message
[17:49] <Simpl3x> (getting message hold on a sec)
[17:50] <x1250> Arand: just to check, could yo please pastebin me the result of this? $ aptitude search sound | grep "^i"
[17:51] <Simpl3x> well it's very long but the basic point of it is that it keeps saying that the new kernel I just installed was not configured properly so dependancies were not met
[17:51] <Simpl3x> so it keeps failing
[17:51] <x1250> see what happens if you purge it
[17:52] <Simpl3x> how do I purge?
[17:52] <x1250> aptitude purge package
[17:52] <x1250> wait
[17:52] <x1250> what package is it?
[17:52] <Simpl3x> ?
[17:55] <Simpl3x> er....
[17:55] <Simpl3x> one sec
[17:55] <Simpl3x> well here, I'll pastebin the error message, cuz it's a bunch of thing
[17:55] <Simpl3x> s*
[17:56] <x1250> okay
[17:56] <Simpl3x> http://pastebin.ca/971284
[17:57] <x1250> Simpl3x: you have no space left on / ?
[17:57] <Simpl3x> I think this is where the problem is
[17:57] <Simpl3x> linux-ubuntu-modules-2.6.24-14-generic
[17:57] <x1250> try $ df -h
[17:57] <Simpl3x> hm, ok
[17:57] <x1250> and see
[17:57] <Simpl3x> o /boot is full
[17:57] <Simpl3x> haha
[17:57] <Simpl3x> forgot about that
[17:57] <Simpl3x> I only made a 64mb /boot
[17:58] <Simpl3x> so I can only have 2 kernels in there at once
[17:58] <Simpl3x> my bad
[17:58] <Simpl3x> I gotta remove one of them
[17:58] <Simpl3x> lemme take care of that
[17:58] <Simpl3x> >.<
[17:58] <x1250> yep
[18:00] <Exilant> those /boots get really large
[18:00] <Simpl3x> yea, that's why I limit mine to 64mb so I can only hold 2 at a time
[18:00] <Simpl3x> It reminds me to keep it clean and remove old kernels
[18:01] <ToxinPowe> xD
[18:01] <Simpl3x> and then I go and forget what the error messages mean because I update so rarely
[18:01] <Simpl3x> haha ok there we go, much better
[18:21] <mhollisjr> Where else does Kubuntu load things from besides Autostart? my Autostart directory is empty, yet somehow compiz and yakuake keep loading at startup and one of them is causing instabilities
[18:22] <Lynoure> I seem to have lost the ability to play .mov in Hardy. Any ideas how to get it back? I do have ubuntu-restricted-extras already
[18:22] <Arand> x1250: oh, if it still matters (about the sound): http://pastebin.com/d46b36c21
[18:22] <Lynoure> mhollisjr: they are part of your session, I bet.
[18:22] <Lynoure> mhollisjr: check from System Settings -> Advanced -> Session manager
[18:23] <Lynoure> mhollisjr: starting with a new one once usually is the easiest way to wipe them. Or killing them before exiting kde
[18:23] <mhollisjr> so they're being auto-restored?
[18:23] <mhollisjr> most likely I mean?
[18:24] <Lynoure> The whole session gets auto-restored.
[18:25] <keith_> hey what is /dev/hdc now that /dev/hdc appears to be gone?
[18:25] <CVD-PR> Cheeese when the 8.04 RC googna came out? i cant wait any more.....
[18:26] <mhollisjr> alright that's set, now before I relogin, where are the sessions actively stored at for restoration? I'd like to be able to check these things manually in the future
[18:26] <Pici> CVD-PR: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/HardyReleaseSchedule
[18:26] <x1250> Arand: yes, thanks =)
[18:26] <keith_> anyone know the device name for cdrw drives?
[18:27] <Luckrider> I know this is gonna sound reterded, but how do I turn Java script on in Firefox?
[18:27] <Lynoure> I have quicktime-utils, libquicktime1, what else I need for playing Quicktime on Hardy?
[18:28] <Lynoure> Luckrider: preferences, content, enable javascript
[18:28] <Luckrider> thsnks Lynoure
[18:28] <CVD-PR> so im gonna install the 8.04 beta, any problema than may enconter?
[18:28] <keith_> CVD-PR: stuff might not work.  it's in beta.
[18:28] <Luckrider> it looks like it is on
[18:28] <Lynoure> CVD-PR: might not be able to play Quicktime anymore...
[18:28] <Luckrider> thanks
[18:29] <keith_> CVD-PR: well my nvidia card worked fine when i first installed it, now it's broken and so is the opensource drivers for my ati card on my other box
[18:29] <CVD-PR> Maybe better to wait for he RC
[18:30] <savvas> Lynoure: quicktime? why not? some quicktime movies play well in realplayer
[18:30] <keith_> CVD-PR: my /dev/hdc and /dev/hdd are gone and i can't find their device names... one of my drives isn't even showing up currently and stuff is being difficult now
[18:30] <Lynoure> savvas: before they played in Miro and Kaffeine, today not in either
[18:30] <CVD-PR> :-(
[18:30] <savvas> ah no idea
[18:30] <Lynoure> I cannot remember when I tried before, but pretty sure it was after upgrading to Hardy
[18:30] <ptn107> CVD-PR: i am fortunate to have experienced no problems, give the beta a try or grab the most recent daily http://cdimage.ubuntu.com/daily/current/
[18:31] <DanaG> hdc and hdd, if they're cd drives, are probably now scd0 and scd1.
[18:31] <savvas> keith_: i thought all the hard drive devices are /dev/sd* now
[18:31] <DanaG> Oh, and look at /etc/udev/rules.d/70-persistent-cdrom.rules
[18:32] <keith_> ah thanks
[18:32] <akk> /dev/hd* is still working for me
[18:33] <CVD-PR> never new the daily thing!
[18:34] <savvas> CVD-PR: mind you, the sooner you try it, the less bugs you will have in the future :)
[18:34] <mhollisjr> ok the system logged in a wee bit faster, but still not as fast as it should be, where can I view all applications set run on login?
[18:34] <mhollisjr> that are not in Autostart, this is KDE 4
[18:35] <CVD-PR> im gonna wipe the current to install this
[18:35] <CVD-PR> tha the is .jigdo?
[18:35] <Lynoure> seems my problem was bug #210510
[18:35] <ubotu> Launchpad bug 210510 in xine-lib "[Hardy Heron] Some formats including quicktime (.mov) and m4v stop playing with xine after upgrade" [Undecided,Fix released] https://launchpad.net/bugs/210510
[18:38] <CVD-PR> bt if i install the current know , theni have to download a lot of updates?
[18:38] <CVD-PR> from  the current to the final
[18:38] <Lynoure> CVD-PR: yes, even often day-to-day
[18:38] <omar> I've configured the windows key on my keyboard so that it opens the start menu when pressed, I forgot how to stop it, can anybody help me?
[18:39] <Lynoure> CVD-PR: I'm downloading about 188M of upgrades as we speak, and not the first or last time for that amount, I bet
[18:39] <CVD-PR> system-preference-keyboard shortcuts
[18:41] <W8TAH> any of the devs / packagers around? -- ive been running hardy for week or 2 now on my laptop and im happy to answer Q / give feedback if they want it
[18:43] <dj1_> hi everyone
[18:43] <dj1_> u guys awake?
[18:43] <Lynoure> W8TAH: best way is to report the bugs you've found
[18:43] <W8TAH> done so
[18:44] <dj1_> anyone can help me?
[18:44] <W8TAH> only had one crop up - and i follwed the instructions it presented to report it
[18:44] <W8TAH> (cant remember what it was at this moment)
[18:44] <dj1_> my compiz is dead since i upgraded
[18:44] <jbroome> dj1_: ask your question
[18:44] <Lynoure> dj1_: Concentrate... your mind seems too cloudy for me to pick the question from there =) Or you can just ask it aloud :)
[18:44] <dj1_> lol
[18:45] <savvas> hahaha
[18:45] <dj1_> when i try it, there is no WM anymore
[18:46] <dj1_> i checked with true combat elite, 3D is working
[18:46] <dj1_> lol
[18:46] <dj1_> but compiz --replace
[18:47] <dj1_> doesnt apear and doesnt complain either
[18:47] <savvas> dj1_: sudo apt-get install --reinstall compiz compiz-core compiz-fusion-plugins-extra compiz-fusion-plugins-main compiz-plugins libcompizconfig0 compizconfig-settings-manager metacity metacity-common
[18:47] <dj1_> thnx right away
[18:48] <dj1_> i will have to reedit to white list fglrx ?
[18:49] <dj1_> /usr/bin/compiz: 406: /usr/local/bin/compiz: not found
[18:49] <dj1_> i know how to fix this
[18:49] <dj1_> brb
[18:51] <dj1_> nope, still down
[18:51] <nedw> i'm on hardy and when i run "sudo aptitude install wine" and "sudo apt-get install wine" both say that wine has no installation candidate
[18:52] <mhollisjr> other than Autostart, where might stuff be loading at login, assuming the session is not being restored?
[18:52] <Flannel> nedw: pastebin your sources.list
[18:52] <jbroome> wine probably isn't in the hardy repos yet
[18:52] <BobSapp> im having krash show a SIGSEGV error as soon as i login, aparently somewhere in KSaveFile::KSaveFile() does anyone know what apps might contain this so i can remove them and maybe login to my account?  I dont mind reinstalling or whatever.  aparently the library is libkdecore.so.4
[18:52] <savvas> dj1_: did you log off and hit ctrl-alt-backspace?
[18:52] <mhollisjr> no wine is in the repos
[18:52] <BobSapp> isnt it best to compile wine from source anyway?
[18:52] <mhollisjr> I installed it from stock yesterday
[18:52] <dj1_> nope should i ?
[18:52] <Flannel> BobSapp: no
[18:53] <BobSapp> arent the repos older?
[18:53] <savvas> dj1_: yeah :)
[18:53] <dj1_> ok wait for me !! brb
[18:53] <savvas> dj1_: not sure if i'll be here, but ok :P
[18:53] <Flannel> BobSapp: Winehq has a current one, if you absolutely must live on the edge.
[18:53] <BobSapp> i guess the hardy ones were
[18:53] <BobSapp> updated
[18:53] <nedw> http://pastebin.ca/971347
[18:54] <Rotlaus> I got again a 386 and a general kernel installed. Which one is the one preferred to use? Why are both installed?
[18:55] <keith_> does grub install to the mbr or to the root partition in ubuntu?
[18:55] <Flannel> keith_: stage 1 installs to the MBR
[18:55] <keith_> k
[18:55] <keith_> thanks
[18:56] <Flannel> Rotlaus: use the generic if you can
[18:56] <mhollisjr> ok how can I troubleshoot a pausing interface (freezes for about 10-20 seconds) on login, without anything in Autorun or being restored?
[18:57] <Flannel> nedw: And `sudo apt-get update` doesn't give you any errors, correct?
[18:57] <mhollisjr> it only does it on login
[18:57] <nedw> no
[18:57] <nedw> i'll tryadding winehq's  repository
[18:57] <nedw> oh they only have up to gutsy
[18:58] <dj1_> same problem
[18:58] <Arand> dj1_: Have you tried renaming compiz -> compiz.real according to http://wiki.cchtml.com/index.php/Ubuntu_Gutsy_Installation_Guide#3D_desktop_effects (look in "rename path section" there)
[18:58] <dj1_> yes i have :)
[18:58] <Arand> ah...
[18:58] <Flannel> nedw: You have universe, you have wine.  So, updating doesn't cause problems.  What does `apt-cache policy wine` show?
[18:59] <nedw> installed (none) candidate (none)
[18:59] <nedw> but i just discovered that i'm getting an error now
[18:59] <nedw> with apt-get update that i didn't have before
[18:59] <Flannel> nedw: What error?  on the update? right.  Universe can't be read or something?
[19:00] <dj1_> ok i am going thru the url u gave me
[19:00] <SammIndustrie> hi guys - i'm having a fantastic problem here - my bloody headphones won't wor!
[19:00] <dj1_> arand
[19:00] <nedw> http://pastebin.ca/971353 here
[19:01] <SammIndustrie> can anybody help?
[19:01] <SammIndustrie> yes? no?
[19:01] <nedw> sammindustrie what's the volume? sometimes you have to go into the sound control panel
[19:01] <nedw> to change to volume of the headphones independently
[19:01] <SammIndustrie> there's no option to edit headphone volume; there's nothing displaying headphones
[19:02] <clarezoe> anyone knows how to make a screenshot including the mouse cursor?
[19:02] <graft_> gimp?
[19:02] <tlsarles> Is it just me, or does Firefox crash frequently on Hardy?
[19:02] <jbroome> tlsarles: it's almost like it's beta software running on a beta OS!
[19:02] <x1250> tlsarles: not for me
[19:02] <mhollisjr> what is the name of the app that previously allowed me to use my G11 volume control to control sound volume?
[19:03] <SammIndustrie> i use a VIA HD audio sound card, but nothing whatsoever for headphone
[19:03] <graft_> tlsarles: it's pretty stable here, except for pulseaudio related bugs
[19:03] <SammIndustrie> tlsarles : nothing except image rendering on scaled images for me, it seems
[19:03] <nedw> "pulseaudio bugs" > maybe that's your problem
[19:03] <akk> hmm, I thought gimp could screenshot the cursor now, but it isn't doing it for me
[19:03] <teamcobra> are there adverse effects to forcing all newly-created users to be part of the group "users" instead of a group named after the user (I'd like to enforce a quota on a machine for the 'users' group, just got that set up)
[19:04] <SammIndustrie> how do i go around sorting that, nedw?
[19:04] <tlsarles> I installed FF2, because I figured the FF beta was the problem, but 2 is still doing it..... but hmmmm.... I never thought of it being audio related. It most frequently crashes when a video is opened
[19:04] <dj1_> aran it worked, i forgot the pluging path !
[19:04] <jbroome> videos tend to have audio
[19:04] <tlsarles> right O
[19:04] <dj1_> but vlc using XV is black window now
[19:04] <philsf> is there any chance that firefox will revert to version 2 instead of 3 for Hardy final?
[19:04] <nedw> hm, i don't know
[19:04] <x1250> I dont think so
[19:04] <dj1_> same as gusty
[19:05] <akk> clarezoe: I think I remember kscreenshot might have been able to capture the cursor
[19:05] <tlsarles> I needed to go back to vers 2 anyways for firebug
[19:05] <akk> clarezoe: There is some version of gimp that can do it, but I'm not sure if the one in hardy can
[19:06] <clarezoe> akk, thanks, I've tried the sreenshot in gimp, but I can't find the option that I can include the mouse cursor, I'll try kscreenshot then
[19:06] <dj1_> anyone knows how to make work XV with compiz ?
[19:09] <Arand> afk there for a while dj1_: I haven't gotten it to work, I just put gstreamer and vlc to use X11 output instead.
[19:09] <dj1_> ok thnx body
[19:09] <clarezoe> akk, I can't find any kscreenshot package, is it included in hardy?
[19:10] <jbroome> clarezoe: ksnapshot
[19:10] <clarezoe> jbroome, thanks
[19:10] <jbroome> apt-cache search screenshot | grep kde
[19:11] <x1250> or aptitude search ~skde | grep screenshot
[19:11] <akk> hmm, at least on gutsy ksnapshot doesn't do it either
[19:13] <clarezoe> jbroome, akk, I'm using gnome, there's only one screenshot come out by apt-cache search, gpe-screenshot
[19:13] <clarezoe> akk, seems it doesn't do it
[19:13] <akk> clarezoe: There's also scrot, but I don't think that can get the cursor
[19:14] <jbroome> i am too, still was able to find kde packages in the repo
[19:14] <jk_> is there anyway to play 2 source of sounds, on ubuntu the second is always muted.
[19:14] <clarezoe> akk, no
[19:14] <akk> clarezoe: I know I saw something that managed it (might have been gimp cvs) ... I'm trying to find the reference
[19:14] <clarezoe> akk, thanks
[19:15] <SpudDogg> has anyone else had an issue with wpa_supplicant.conf being blank when installed?
[19:15] <clarezoe> akk, gonna go for a while, leave me a PM, I'll check it later
[19:15] <jk_> what kinds of emails can you set up using evolution or thunderbird
[19:15] <rikai> http://www.pulseaudio.org/ticket/270 <- Mmm, can anyone reproduce this gstreamer/pulseaudio bug? Trying to find smarter people that can post more information than myself. :P
[19:16] <akk> clarezoe: okay, I'll let you know if I find it. I know it required an X extension that only got added fairly recently, which is why most programs don't do it
[19:18] <x1250> Thanks for pastebin Arand, I was missing a package :)
[19:19] <Arand> nice to be of service :)
[19:21] <alecwh> I have a video card blacklisted on the compiz-fusion website (http://wiki.compiz-fusion.org/Hardware/Blacklist), so Ubuntu won't let me use desktop effects. Does Ubuntu 8.04 fix it?
[19:21] <alecwh> My video card: Intel Corporation Mobile GM965/GL960 Integrated Graphics Controller
[19:22] <Smygis> whats the name of the grafical x config tool thats gone missing now in hardy. But its there cuz it started when i upgraded my gfx card from a geforce3 to a ATI RAGE LT PRO.
[19:22] <Joe_CoT> hey, I've been trying to dist-upgrade for a few days now, but I keep running into the same issue. Any expectation of it being fixed soon? : http://ubuntu.pastebin.com/d7cdcf871
[19:25] <Smygis> its annoying to run 800x600 on a 1650x1050 screen. And i have no idea what to add in xorg.conf. it whas easy in the past but now that file is just a blank file. Halelulja for autocont that doesnt work!
[19:25] <Smygis> autoconfig
[19:25] <jbroome> !resolution | Smygis
[19:25] <ubotu> Smygis: The X Window System is the part of your system that's responsible for graphical output. To restart your X, type « sudo /etc/init.d/?dm restart » in a console - To fix screen resolution or other X problems: http://help.ubuntu.com/community/FixVideoResolutionHowto
[19:27] <mhollisjr> Okay this is really getting annoying, Nothing is in autostart, the session is not being restored, where is Compiz loading from?
[19:29] <rpedro> System -> Preferences -> Appeareance properties?
[19:30] <akk> In case anyone else was following the screenshot discussion (I've msged clarezoe), the info is at http://www.nabble.com/screenshot-with-mousepointer-td13275133.html
[19:31] <Arand> alecwh: I don't think so, since it's because of Compiz, what you could do is ignore the blacklist according to compiz's instructions on that site, at own risk of course....
[19:31] <alecwh> I've tried it, Totem (and other video applications) crash.
[19:32] <Smygis> here goes nothin
[19:33] <mhollisjr> well I'd say that would be it except Yakuake keeps loading too from somewhere,
[19:34] <Smygis> nope none of that shit worked.
[19:34] <Smygis> ubotu, YOURE SOURCES ARE DEPRICATED!
[19:35] <identitx> Any help please? Why would booting into Ubuntu 8.04 (latest beta) on my primary NTFS via Wubi, and running "sudo ifconfig eth1 mtu 1400" cause Windows to forget or corrupt the drivers of my wireless adapter (eth1) on the next boot?
[19:36] <kevor> Hello, is it known that the language is not properly set?
[19:37] <Arand> alecwh: dunno if you can do anything more then... other than bitch at Compiz-developers to add support for it...
[19:37] <kevor> the menu titles, shutdown buttons and all are not in the correct langugage
[19:37] <Smygis> jbroome, no
[19:40] <mattik> hello, why sudo visudo doesn't work for me. If i press i for insert new row I cannot add empty rows. I get letters under arrow keys.
[19:42] <kevor> any word on my language problem? Is it known, is there a solution?
[19:42] <mhollisjr> where does plasma launch from?
[19:42] <identitx> kevor: Do you want it as English?
[19:42] <identitx> Or are you having to change the language
[19:43] <RyanPrior> I'm having trouble with direct rendering on my graphics card. My glxinfo says "direct rendering: No (LIBGL_ALWAYS_INDIRECT set)" but I know I have had direct rendering available on this card before. I'm using the fglrx driver, which I installed using the restricted hardware drivers manager. Can anybody help me learn more about this system in order to solve the problem?
[19:43] <RyanPrior> mhollisjr: Type "which plasma" in the terminal.
[19:43] <kevor> identitx: I'm trying to set the language as Dutch
[19:43] <mhollisjr> no I mean where does it launch from at login
[19:43] <nemo> RyanPrior: you need LIBGL_ALWAYS_INDIRECT with fglrx to use compiz
[19:44] <kevor> during installtion, selected those options, and after install personally installed language-pack-nl
[19:44] <kevor> the dutch dictionaries and all are avialable, but not everything is translated (which was translated in 7.10)
[19:44] <RyanPrior> nemo: A number of games I want to play are complaining about lack of direct rendering, unfortunately. Is there any way I can get Compiz to see always indirect while getting my games to see direct rendering?
[19:44] <identitx> And you've changed it via System > ADministration ? Language Support?
[19:45] <RyanPrior> mhollisjr: It launches at login the same way it launches from the terminal.
[19:45] <nemo> RyanPrior: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/AIGLX
[19:45] <kevor> indenlet me try
[19:45] <mhollisjr> when I login
[19:45] <nemo> RyanPrior: run your games outside of compiz, or wipe the env var?
[19:45]  * identitx is not in Ubuntu right now due to above problem so can't remember whether it is still there or not.
[19:45] <mhollisjr> RyanPrior: when I login, what calls Plasma? what file?
[19:45] <nemo> RyanPrior: just a guess, fortunately don't have that issue myself since my machine has nvidia
[19:46] <nemo> RyanPrior: while compiz was still unstable and my card was short on mem, I used to run a separate plain X session for games
[19:46] <identitx> Is there any reason why changing my MTU in Ubuntu would cause Winows on next boot to not recognise my wireless adapter?
[19:46] <RyanPrior> nemo: Is there a way to toggle compiz? If I disable it, will my direct rendering automatically turn on?
[19:46] <RyanPrior> mhollisjr: Don't know - that would be a good question for KDE people, I think.
[19:47] <joebob777as7> RyanPrior get compiz-icon it allow you to disable and enable
[19:47] <mhollisjr> I have a feeling they're going to send me back here, but I'll ask ty
[19:47] <nemo> RyanPrior: are you using gnome?
[19:47] <identitx> Hard question I know. Since it is a Windows problem mainly. But MS would only blame Ubuntu.
[19:47] <RyanPrior> nemo: Yes.
[19:47] <kevor> identitx: it seems i forgot language-pack-gnome-nl in my manual attempt, it is installed now, should be fixxed
[19:47] <nemo> RyanPrior: then yeah, just disable it in the visual effects tab
[19:47] <nemo> LIBGL_ALWAYS_INDIRECT should only be set on compiz launch
[19:48] <nemo> RyanPrior: might want to just try unsetting the var though...
[19:53] <RyanPrior> Thanks for the suggestion - just disabling Compiz and rebooting enabled my direct rendering.
[19:53] <RyanPrior> I don't really care about Compiz that much, so I'll hold off on trying to install AIGLX.
[19:56] <nemo> RyanPrior: rebooting shouldn't have been necessary...
[19:56] <nemo> RyanPrior: as for "installing" aiglx - you were undoubtedly using it
[19:56] <RyanPrior> nemo: Restarting gdm didn't work, restarting X didn't work, but a full reboot did for some reason.
[19:56] <nemo> that doesn't make any sense, but ok
[19:57] <RyanPrior> Direct rendering has been broken on my card for a long time, so it's nice to have any at all. :-)
[19:59] <lintel> hi, please help with AR5007EG which needs THIS patch: http://madwifi.org/ticket/1679 -- QN: do I have to deactivate HAL?
[20:00] <mhollisjr> okay I found this file: "/etc/X11/Xsession.d/25enable-compiz" which appears to be where compiz is starting from is it safe to simply delete?
[20:00] <mhollisjr> or is there a better way to remove it from startup?
[20:00] <nemo> mhollisjr: um...
[20:01] <nemo> mhollisjr: why are you not just disabling compiz from the gui?
[20:01] <mhollisjr> because no one has yet told me where to do that
[20:01] <nemo> mhollisjr: gnome?
[20:01] <mhollisjr> kde
[20:01] <mhollisjr> 4
[20:01] <nemo> ah. n/m
[20:02] <nemo> don't know where KDE keeps that
[20:02] <Turski> eh, why you using compiz in kde4?
[20:02] <mhollisjr> I'm trying not to
[20:02] <Turski> Kmenu -> System -> Desktop Effects
[20:02] <Turski> i think...
[20:02] <Turski> but iäm not sure
[20:02] <mhollisjr> no option
[20:03] <mhollisjr> the really wierd part is I've uninstalled it, exited X, then logged back in and poof compiz was running which really confused me
[20:03] <mhollisjr> I have it installed again to prevent trouble till I find the config issue
[20:04] <Arand> how do you remove flash plugin from firefox 3b4 ?
[20:04] <nemo> Arand: depends on how you installed it
[20:05] <nemo> did you use apt ?
[20:05] <Arand> through firefox dialog.
[20:05] <nemo> Arand: why not let apt manage it?
[20:05] <mhollisjr> so then would you think it'd be safe to delete that startup file?
[20:05] <mhollisjr> I checked the contents, compiz is the onlytihng in it
[20:06] <nemo> Arand: firefox 3 lets you enable/disable plugins... see under Add-ons
[20:06] <Arand> yea, but that only disables it, right?
[20:06] <Arand> not uninstalls
[20:06] <nemo> Arand: I'm not totally sure where it puts libflash if you install that way.  probably under ~/.mozilla/firefox
[20:06] <nemo> run a find for it
[20:07] <Arand> oke
[20:07] <cheatersrealm> I am trying to upgrade to hardy, I get the following message: The following packages have unmet dependencies: libgnomekbd1: Depends: libgnomekbd-common (= 2.20.0-1) but 2.22.0-1 is to be installed.
[20:07] <mhollisjr> I'll take best guesses
[20:08] <mhollisjr> alright deleting it
[20:10] <mhollisjr> ok in answer to the question, compiz is now disabled
[20:10] <mhollisjr> and my login freezes are gone
[20:11] <kevor> Hello, gnome and all are in Dutch, but still firefox is ignorant to the changes, anyone a clue how to solve it?
[20:11] <derspankster> if your video card can't support compiz, isn't compiz disabled by default?
[20:14] <derspankster> kevor: FF3 is available in dutch from Mozilla but maybe the version in the Ubuntu repos is not
[20:17] <Smygis> One simple question.
[20:19] <Smygis> How can i change the resulution when i cant use dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg, Change the xorg.conf myself or use the 'Screens and grafix' tool who all semms to have gone missing in hardy in one way or another.
[20:20] <RyanPrior> Smygis: boot into diagnostic mode, select the "Fix X server" option, then continue booting.
[20:20] <RyanPrior> Smygis: That ought to fix whatever resolution problem you're having presently, allowing you to use the normal tools to tweak further.
[20:20] <Smygis> thats the same as  dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg
[20:21] <Smygis> And it doesnt work
[20:21] <RyanPrior> Smygis: Reinstall, or start reading the fine manual on X.org in order to fix everything by hand.
[20:22] <Smygis> How ubuntu. Remove nice guis and refer to manpages.
[20:24] <Smygis> All i want is to run my 22" 1680x1050 screen in 1680x1050 and not in 1152x864
[20:24] <KalEl> some packages are marked with a small star in synaptic... do you know what that means?
[20:24] <rikai> Smygis, the GUI isnt removed.
[20:24] <zorglu_> !info nasm
[20:24] <ubotu> Package nasm does not exist in hardy
[20:24] <Smygis> Where is it then?
[20:24] <rikai> Smygis, you've done something to mess it up, and therefore it doesnt work.
[20:24] <DanaG> OOh, something new I just figured out: you can send files over Bonjour in Pidgin.
[20:24] <DanaG> Sweet.
[20:25] <rikai> nasm does too exist, ubotu, you silly bot...
[20:25] <mrtimdog> Quick one, if anyone else uses screenlets clock, or cairo-clock, are theirs 1 second slow and 2 seconds slow respectively?
[20:25] <zorglu_> rikai: do you know the version available ?
[20:25] <Smygis> rikai, whats the name of it so i can start it from a terminal.
[20:25] <x1250> Smygis: you'll probably missing your monitor vertical and horizontal refresh rates on xorg.conf
[20:27] <Smygis> OMG! It whas fine untill a changed grafixcard 20 minutes ago
[20:27] <rikai> zorglu_, 0.99.06-2 according to ubuntu.
[20:28] <zorglu_> rikai: arg... i need 2.02 aka the last stable from http://nasm.sourceforge.net/
[20:28] <RyanPrior> !info nasm
[20:28] <ubotu> Package nasm does not exist in hardy
[20:28] <RyanPrior> That is weird. Bot must be broken.
[20:28] <x1250> Smygis: could you elaborate a bit? more info = more help
[20:28] <RyanPrior> You suck, Ubotu.
[20:28] <rikai> x1250, wont it pick sane defaults if he moves xorg.conf?
[20:29] <x1250> rikai: it could, but its just a software guess
[20:31] <rikai> well, i was going to try and help him troubleshoot... but he's gone and left... >.>
[20:31] <x1250> Ah, I don't even realize when people leave, I disabled join/part messages :)
[20:33] <DanaG> https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/linux/+bug/188226
[20:33] <ubotu> Launchpad bug 188226 in linux "Kernel should use CONFIG_FAIR_CGROUP_SCHED" [High,Fix released]
[20:33] <DanaG> What about the -generic kernel?
[20:36] <jimqode> Xnest does not redraw correctly. I'm running it with Xnest -ac. Any ideas?
[20:37] <pepie34> since the new kernel update
[20:37] <pepie34> wifi is not working
[20:38] <pepie34> keep having a lot of Rx invalid nwid
[20:39] <mindframe-> what are the advantages of using pulseaudio?
[20:39] <mindframe-> as opposed to alsa?
[20:40] <Finnish> How to get latest Bluez-packets?
[20:40] <jimqode> mindframe-, pulseaudio can make virtual audio cables that connect applications' sound inputs/outputs to each other, and it can also mix the sounds from each application with differing volumes
[20:40] <Finnish> Latest kernel broke my bluetooth-connection
[20:40] <mindframe-> mm
[20:41] <nemo> jimqode: pulseaudio also does streaming no?
[20:42] <x1250> Finnish: you can installed your previous kernel with aptitude. linux-image, linux-headers, linux-ubuntu-modules and linux-restricted-modules
[20:42] <x1250> install*
[20:43] <Finnish> Hmm
[20:43] <x1250> for example if you want to install 2.6.24-12, then linux-image-2.6.24-12-generic, etc.
[20:43] <Finnish> Or should I wait for something in the future?
[20:44] <Finnish> I'm quite happy ATM with Hardy
[20:44] <x1250> its your choice
[20:44] <jimqode> nemo, what do you mean by streaming?
[20:44] <Finnish> Yeah, as always
[20:44] <x1250> i wouldn't wait, there is no good reason
[20:45] <Finnish> I know it was something about bluez-utils
[20:45] <h3sp4wn> Finnish: It broke my bluetooth also -
[20:45] <DanaG> PulseAudio doesn't do virtual-audio-cables, I believe.
[20:46] <DanaG> I haven't seen how to do it, at least.
[20:46] <h3sp4wn> But building all new userland stuff from the bluez site didn't fix it
[20:46] <Finnish> h3sp4wn: I looked for some launchpad-tips etc, but got nothing
[20:46] <Finnish> You tried?
[20:46] <nemo> jimqode: I thought pulseaudio service allowed for pushing audio to other linux machines
[20:47] <h3sp4wn> I did - part of bluez is missing also
[20:47] <nemo> jimqode: occurred to me I could do easy networked sound at home if that was case, but hadn't looked into it yet
[20:47] <nemo> music in every room
[20:47] <jimqode> nemo, I think it does.
[20:48] <DanaG> Yup.
[20:48] <DanaG> copy .pulse-cookie from one computer to the others you want to allow to use that one.
[20:48] <Finnish> h3sp4wn: So I guess it is just a matter of time when it's fixed?
[20:48] <h3sp4wn> pulse adds so much latency (noticed it with ut2004)
[20:50] <graft_> if only pulse could push to itunes
[20:50] <jimqode> h3sp4wn, in theory pulse should add 0 latency. But i didn't measure it.
[20:50] <nemo> DanaG: nifty. will have to play with it
[20:51] <arachnist> graft_: well, pulse should be able to push audio to osx
[20:51] <graft_> there's no pulse for osx, arachnist
[20:51] <nemo> graft_: perhaps one of the iphone dev community  internet radio apps supports pulseaudio...
[20:51] <graft_> does anyone get firefox crashes with 'pulse_stop: Assertion `pcm->stream' failed.'?
[20:51] <h3sp4wn> jimqode: Well with OSS4 I can run ut2004 everything on max at 1920x1200
[20:51] <DanaG> PulseAudio doesn't work with oss4.
[20:51] <h3sp4wn> With pulse its unplayable without turning loads of stuff down
[20:51] <DanaG> And oss4 hard-locks with my Audigy2 card.
[20:51] <h3sp4wn> (and Alsa + pulse)
[20:52] <evan_> wich keyboard profile must i choose by default us international ( alt gr death keys ) wont give me double quotes?
[20:52] <evan_> dead keys*
[20:52] <DanaG> altgr deadkeys works fine for me.
[20:52] <DanaG> Odd.
[20:52] <jimqode> h3sp4wn, you can configure pulse to use oss as its interface. There shouldn't be a latency difference between alsa and pulse though
[20:52] <DanaG> I tried it and got an assertion failure, or a segfault, or something, with oss4.
[20:53] <graft_> i thought oss is just a compatibility layer sitting on top of alsa these days?
[20:53] <evan_> DanaG indeed wierd now i got quotes again :|
[20:53] <pepie34> am I the only one to have wifi probleme since the last kernel update?
[20:54] <derspankster> pepie: I had no problem, using B43
[20:54] <pepie34> I'm using madwifi-svn since AR5008 are not suported with the restricted module
[20:55] <pepie34> I'm booting back in 2.6.24-12 and everything work
[20:56] <mindframe-> I'm having a problem getting pulseaudio working: audiotestsrc wave=sine freq=512 ! audioconvert ! audioresample ! gconfaudiosink: Failed to connect: Connection refused - Does this mean the server isn't running?
[20:56] <h3sp4wn> jimqode: Its noticable between OSS4 and Alsa the latency issue
[20:57] <jimqode> h3sp4wn, but that is a problem with alsa, not pulseaudio.
[20:57] <ihasn> am i the only person not having problems with 8.04?
[20:57] <graft_> yep
[20:57] <ihasn> hardy got everything fiesty couldnt get working
[20:58] <jimqode> I am also not having problems
[20:58] <graft_> well pulseaudio is still buggy for me
[20:58] <h3sp4wn> jimqode: Yep the thing is most of what makes pulse useful for Alsa is not an issue for OSS anyway
[20:58] <graft_> at least firefox/pulseaudio is
[20:58] <Lynoure> ihasn: What kind of problems are you not having, and do you need help with that? :)
[20:58] <graft_> but i think that's the only bug i have
[20:58] <pepie34> I've got some problem in audacityt
[20:58] <pepie34> the ouput plugin may vary
[20:59] <pepie34> not always select alsa default
[20:59] <pepie34> do no why
[20:59] <ihasn> i am having a problem with stable power to my chu...we keep getting mortared and the guys working on the generator cant finish cleaning it
[20:59] <x1250> I have some problems with flickering on with 3d apps + ati drivers + compiz, but that seems to be a known issue. 8.04 works ok...
[20:59] <pepie34> an other person with wifi or madwifi problem with the last kernel ?
[21:00] <h3sp4wn> I am just using 0.9.4 built myself
[21:00] <ihasn> pepie ive always had a problem with wifi and the wpasupplement with the 2.6 kernal
[21:01] <h3sp4wn> ath5k seems promising
[21:01] <h3sp4wn> I just cannot get it to see channels 12/13
[21:01] <ihasn> only way i can get wifi to work is after i verify my wifi crap works with an unsecured network
[21:02] <ihasn> h3sp4wn maybe 12/13 have to much noise from other devices in your hosue?
[21:02] <h3sp4wn> ihasn: My network has been on 13 since forever
[21:02] <h3sp4wn> Because there is much less noise
[21:02] <ihasn> nm that then
[21:03] <h3sp4wn> ihasn: Are you just using /etc/network/interfaces
[21:04] <ihasn> im not using anything...havnt needed wifi since i got all paranoid and installed network lines in each room
[21:04] <sourcemaker> how can I install the vmware-server on hardy?
[21:04] <h3sp4wn> I wish I had done that - took me 6 months to get a reliable wireless going (and there is 4 routes)
[21:04] <ihasn> sourcemaker you check apt-get?
[21:05] <sourcemaker> ihasn: yes... I have... but there is no package... I think there is an additional repository required to install the vmware server
[21:05] <ihasn> you check the senaptic(sp?) source?
[21:06] <h3sp4wn> Well the source package is what makes linux-restricted-mpdules so big
[21:07] <h3sp4wn> sourcemaker: Any reason why not virtualbox
[21:07] <ihasn> h3sp4wn, a coder is going to shoot me for this, but thats why god invented bigger harddrives and fatter pipes
[21:07] <sourcemaker> h3sp4wn: I have already installed WIndows on VMWARE
[21:07] <h3sp4wn> sourcemaker: You can convert the images with qemu-img if you want
[21:08] <h3sp4wn> I installed it for my little brother yesterday and am pretty impressed so far
[21:08] <sourcemaker> h3sp4wn: what's the package: virtualbox-ose?
[21:09] <h3sp4wn> sourcemaker: I got the less free deb from virtualbox
[21:09] <jbroome> apt-cache search virtualbox
[21:09] <sourcemaker> !virtualbox
[21:09] <ubotu> virtualbox is a x86 !virtualizer. A !free edition is available in !Gutsy as 'virtualbox-ose'. A non-free edition is available at http://virtualbox.org for most Ubuntu releases (help in #vbox) - Setup details at https://help.ubuntu.com/community/VirtualBox
[21:11] <joachim_> is the linux-image-virtual kernel better than the standard generic kernel for running VMware?
[21:11] <sourcemaker> h3sp4wn: I will try this now
[21:11] <nosrednaekim> joachim_: something tels me that for XEN
[21:12] <h3sp4wn> vmware really doesn't like the timer to run at anything other than 100hz
[21:12] <joachim_> nosrednaekim, at least VMware seems to be running flawlessly on the generic kernel
[21:13] <sourcemaker> h3sp4wn: can you tell me... how I can convert my 40GB vmware files?
[21:13] <joachim_> h3sp4wn, and what frequency is the timer using for virtual and generic kernels?
[21:14] <sourcemaker> h3sp4wn: will module do I require? server|gerneric|virtual?
[21:14] <sourcemaker> h3sp4wn: which module...
[21:16] <savvas> bah, another linux kernel upgrade and i just rebooted :P
[21:16] <ihasn> sourcemaker...gerneric is always a good choice when you dont know
[21:16] <h3sp4wn> joachim_: generic is 250
[21:16] <sourcemaker> ihasn: are there big differences?
[21:16] <ihasn> i dunno
[21:16] <savvas> neah
[21:16] <orvokki> Is it a desktop computer?
[21:17] <ihasn> but ive never gone wrong with generic
[21:17] <savvas> it's a really small difference of speed
[21:17] <orvokki> For desktop afaik mostly -rt if works and -generic otherwise.
[21:17] <h3sp4wn> sourcemaker: If you get the deb straight from virtualbox then as part of installing it then it builds the modules for you
[21:18] <orvokki> Oh, sorry. I think I just mixed up two conversations...
[21:18] <orvokki> Reading back.
[21:18] <sourcemaker> h3sp4wn: can I also install the linux-image-2.6.24-14-rt for my destop system? Is this kernel running faster?
[21:19] <orvokki> Might be more responsive in desktop use. Not faster as such.
[21:20] <h3sp4wn> I wouldn't use a rt kernel with any virtualisation
[21:20] <sourcemaker> orvokki: are you using rt?
[21:20] <orvokki> Sure.
[21:20] <orvokki> h3sp4wn: Hmm, I wouldn't know about that.
[21:20] <orvokki> But you might be right.
[21:21] <sourcemaker> h3sp4wn: Now... I installed the generic module... how can I convert my vmware image?
[21:23] <h3sp4wn> sourcemaker: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UbuntuMagazine/HowTo/Switching_From_VMWare_To_VirtualBox:_.vmdk_To_.vdi_Using_Qemu_+_VdiTool
[21:23] <_moro_bana_> hello, i have a q? on gutsy.allowed?
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[21:24] <cwillu> omg pulseaudio is such a piece of crap
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[21:24] <orvokki> cwillu: What's the issue?
[21:24] <cwillu> it's blown out my ears three times in the last hour
[21:24] <cwillu> full volume white static
[21:24] <orvokki> I've so far liked PulseAudio.
[21:24] <cwillu> stereo has reversed twice in the last hour
[21:25] <orvokki> Then again, I keep my volume at max usually and control volume via stereos.
[21:25] <cwillu> and occasionally I just get glitchy audio with a 5 full-volume echo's of everything that plays
[21:25] <orvokki> Can't go at least louder accidentally.
[21:26] <cwillu> orvokki, yes, but with a decent recording, going from the music straight to full spectrum noise is _very_ loud
[21:26] <orvokki> Right.
[21:26] <cwillu> me no like that :p
[21:26] <h3sp4wn> Even with the best algorithm set and the test sine wave I never got it bit perfect
[21:26] <orvokki> I wonder why I haven't had any of those probs.
[21:27] <cwillu> me has a very nice set of headphones to focus aformentioned white-noise into his skull
[21:27] <orvokki> Updated your PulseAudio recently?
[21:27] <orvokki> Or rather, ran an upgrade all in all recently. :)
[21:27] <_moro_bana_> is there any client to connet to microsoft vpn other than kpvn
[21:27] <cwillu> I'm up to date as of yesterday, although I've been seeing this for a month or two (worse in the last little while I think though)
[21:28] <h3sp4wn> _moro_bana_: There is a few ways it can be setup
[21:29] <orvokki> Hmm, System -> Administration -> Login Window working for everyone?
[21:29] <ihasn> yah
[21:30] <cwillu> orvokki, was broken on a laptop I was working on yesterday, haven't played with it a whole lot
[21:30] <cwillu> (login window that is)
[21:30] <cwillu> working on my desktop though
[21:30] <orvokki> It didn't start for me and my hard disk's making constant noise now.
[21:30] <h3sp4wn> _moro_bana_: depending on how much pain the adminstrator is willing to go throu
[21:30] <_moro_bana_> h3sp4wn: other than kvpn? i would like to try that.because kpvnc is always giving me problems, last i got it to work, but dont really know how i did that
[21:30] <orvokki> This doesn't look good. I think I'll try to logout.
[21:31] <_moro_bana_> h3sp4wn: im prepared to learn
[21:31] <h3sp4wn> _moro_bana_: It can do ipsec but its really painful and not worth the effort I don't think
[21:32] <h3sp4wn> http://pptpclient.sourceforge.net/ there is that or it could be using l2tp
[21:32] <mhollisjr>  I'm attempting to bind my forward and back keys on my mouse, and I have a working configuration, with one major problem, if I'm holding down my right mouse button at the same time, the event doesn't fire, so my question is how can I make it so that button works even if I'm holding down button 3, but not when I'm just hitting button 3, here's my relevant  .xbindkeysrc http://pastebin.com/d7ce7a1e8
[21:33] <h3sp4wn> mhollisjr: Make sure you are using evdev before you start
[21:33] <sourcemaker> h3sp4wn: I have a lot of vmdk files... how do I convert them all?
[21:34] <jk_> is there a way to change the funtions of one of my keys? i have a tiny backspace, i keep hitting the home button next to it, anyway to change home to backspace aswell
[21:34] <mhollisjr> h3sp4wn: that could fix this?
[21:35] <edgy> Hi, I did ufw deny 22/tcp and ufw status shows 22:tcp                     DENY    Anywhere but when I tried ssh myip it still works
[21:35] <jbroome> edgy: do you need to restart ufw after making a change?
[21:35] <h3sp4wn> mhollisjr: Its possible it might jut work without even needing to do anything
[21:36] <mhollisjr> -nod- I just checked adept, and evdev is not listed, where can I get that from?
[21:37] <h3sp4wn> Its part of X
[21:37] <h3sp4wn> xserver-xorg-input-evdev
[21:37] <NukeSkyjumper> ok, contain your laughter... my hardy box was rooted by a user with a shell
[21:37] <mhollisjr> sorry for being a pain where do I configure it then?
[21:37] <NukeSkyjumper> obviously that shouldn't even be possible
[21:38] <edgy> jbroome: I tried this but still same effect. iptables -L gives DROP       tcp  --  0.0.0.0/0            0.0.0.0/0           tcp dpt:22 which measn it already takes effect!
[21:38] <NukeSkyjumper> does anyone here have a suggestion of where (on the system) to look for the vulnerability, so it can be reported
[21:38] <edgy> jbroome: could it be because I am trying to ssh from my pc to my pc?
[21:39] <nosrednaekim> NukeSkyjumper: ask the person who exploited you
[21:39] <nosrednaekim> ^_^
[21:39] <jbroome> edgy: perhaps.  might be an exception for localhost
[21:39] <kaje1> Will the upgrade path from 8.04 BETA to 8.04 production be pretty painless or will it require a fresh reinstall?
[21:39] <nosrednaekim> NukeSkyjumper: did they have sudo access?
[21:39] <jk_> has anyone had a problem with the new kernel
[21:39] <NukeSkyjumper> nosrednaekim: not as an admin
[21:39] <h3sp4wn> mhollisjr: I read stuff on the gentoo wiki
[21:39] <edgy> jbroome: I am not ssh localhost, I am ssh 192.168.1.5
[21:40]  * dwidmann is back.
[21:40] <jbroome> edgy: BTSOM
[21:40] <jbroome> dwidmann: thanks for the update.
[21:41] <mhollisjr> alright I'll see what I can find thanks
[21:41] <nosrednaekim> NukeSkyjumper: but they did have sudo?
[21:41] <dwidmann> jbroome: :D
[21:41] <jbroome> dwidmann: there was no ":D" implied in my statement
[21:42] <NukeSkyjumper> nosrednaekim: they had access to the sudo binary, of course. but no priveleges set up
[21:42] <dwidmann> jbroome: whatever you say
[21:42] <edgy> jbroome: np, thanks for your care
[21:42] <_moro_bana_> h3sp4wn:the ipsec thingy, will  that be all under CLI
[21:43] <h3sp4wn> _moro_bana_: For Windows it will be in various policy editors
[21:43] <jbroome> !away | dwidmann
[21:43] <ubotu> dwidmann: You should avoid changing your nick in a busy channel like #ubuntu - it causes unrequired scrolling which is unfair to new users.  (Please set your preferred nick in your client's settings instead.)  The same goes for using noisy away messages; use the command "/away <reason>" to set your client away silently.  See also «/msg ubotu Guidelines»
[21:44] <h3sp4wn> _moro_bana_: I would use Openvpn (even under windows)
[21:44] <_moro_bana_> h3sp4wn: im on ubuntu
[21:44] <nosrednaekim> NukeSkyjumper: maybe try #ubuntu-security
[21:44] <nemo> jbroome: #ubuntu+1 is now considered noisy?
[21:44] <Flannel> or -devel maybe
[21:44] <h3sp4wn> _moro_bana_: But you control the server right ?
[21:45] <dennda> Does Totems new youtube plugin work for anyone?
[21:45] <dennda> I always get an error
[21:46] <_moro_bana_> h3sp4wn: no,just an ordinary user, want a vpn client for internet
[21:47] <h3sp4wn> _moro_bana_: Well you have to find out what they use - is it your work or a univeristy or ?
[21:49] <White_Magic> Is that Upgrade problem fixed
[21:49] <White_Magic> I mean While using hardy?
[21:49] <White_Magic> the one thats was sopposed to be fixed within a day or so?
[21:50] <_moro_bana_> h3sp4wn: university network, im a student.ok
[21:51] <jbroome> _moro_bana_: you're going to need a machine outside your uni network to vpn *to*, you have one?
[21:51] <h3sp4wn> _moro_bana_: Are the instructions on how to connect online ?@
[21:51] <chdst> There was a simple GUI tool that you could use to change your video driver (not the restricted manager)...does anyone know what that is, or have one to recommend?
[21:52] <_boikhutso_> jbroome: ? as in my comp?
[21:52] <_boikhutso_> jbroome: or the internet server?
[21:54] <h3sp4wn> chdst: The displaysettings-gtk (I think thats the one) its never worked well in hardy for me
[21:55] <chdst> Thanks, h3sp4wn...that was what I was looking for.
[21:56] <ferric84> where did "screens and graphics" go?
[21:56] <h3sp4wn> For that stuff I have never sene anything work better than draxconf
[21:57] <_boikhutso_> jbroome: _morobana_ =boikhutso
[21:57] <h3sp4wn> (In pclinuxos - wonder why that wasnt packaged)
[21:57] <h3sp4wn> Think its mandriva who actually develop it though
[21:57] <_boikhutso_>  /msg NickServ IDENTIFY gamaila
[21:57] <Flannel> bjwebb: you'll want to change that password
[21:57] <Flannel> _boikhutso_:
[21:58] <_boikhutso_> Flannel; yes?
[21:59] <ferric84> does anyone know why I can't see "screens and graphics" in preferences, but I can access it through the terminal?
[21:59] <bjwebb> Flannel: that wasn't for me, was it?
[22:00] <_boikhutso_> ferric84: try to add that to the main menu
[22:01] <_boikhutso_> ferric84: prefrences->main menu the add that
[22:04] <Gnine>                                               long live linux
[22:04] <insomninja> anyone know the current state on wacom (bamboo) support in hardy
[22:04] <insomninja> ?
[22:07] <macsim> am I the only one with hal broken after the last update ?
[22:07] <crimsun> a bit more specific, please?
[22:07] <Gnine> yes
[22:07] <jaffarkelshac> has the new kernal messed with anyone system
[22:07] <Gnine> no
[22:08] <macsim> sure, I made an update 2 hours ago with the kernel 2.6.24-15, and now when I start gnome I have the message Unable to initialize hal
[22:08] <Gnine> you got serious borkage if that happened
[22:09] <macsim> Gnine, so I do aptitude upgrade
[22:09] <cybercyst> stuff has been crashy since i updated today
[22:09] <Gnine> not here
[22:09] <macsim> aptitude install me gnome-desktop update and some lib
[22:10] <macsim> Gnine, everythings seams to work, I just loose network-applet and I have to dhclient my eth0 to get internet
[22:10] <cybercyst> anyone else here use the fglrx driver?
[22:11]  * dwidmann feels sorry for cybercyst
[22:11] <pen> lol
[22:11]  * Gnine uses nvidia
[22:11]  * cybercyst feels sorry for me too... until the open source driver comes out, which will kick arse
[22:11]  * dwidmann uses nvidia also
[22:11]  * pen feels sad.
[22:11] <cybercyst> really as i see it, ati si the only way to go
[22:11] <cybercyst> nvidia will be a binary blob forever
[22:11] <cybercyst> and intel hardware is poop
[22:12] <derspankster> better than SIS
[22:12] <dwidmann> cybercyst: Sure, as soon as ATI drivers aren't poop I'll take a gander :P
[22:12] <cybercyst> still, no one here is using fglrx?
[22:12] <Gnine> got nvidia on 2 machines by choice
[22:12] <Gnine> no issues
[22:12]  * pen use NVIDIA so no fglrx
[22:13] <h3sp4wn> I have been pretty happy with nvidia ever since I go this quadro in my laptop
[22:13] <cybercyst> i've been pretty happy with my ati, actually
[22:13] <pen> cybercyst: are u using intel? or AMD?
[22:14] <h3sp4wn> I prefer the picture quality on most ATI's
[22:14] <Gnine> that too.. amd ftw
[22:14] <pen> oh
[22:14] <googlah> Anyone in here playing Sauerbraten on Hardy?
[22:14] <pen> Have you guys heard of playonlinux?
[22:14] <cybercyst> amd
[22:14] <jaffarkelshac> what is Sauerbraten googlah
[22:15] <pen> It's like a script center for installing various windows games to linux
[22:15] <pen> jaffarkelshac: google... it's a famous FPS for linux
[22:15] <jaffarkelshac> does wine not work for windows games?
[22:15] <googlah> An very nice FPS-game. jaffarkelshac
[22:15] <pen> jaffarkelshac: not every game
[22:15] <googlah> like enemy of territories.
[22:16] <cybercyst> that is my problem, right now there is fglrx/wine borkage
[22:16] <cybercyst> that is my only problem with fglrx
[22:16] <jaffarkelshac> i will try it out, i asked this room a while back and i got quake simlar games, et, openarena nexuiz.
[22:16] <cybercyst> and then it is only suspected borkage, i was hoping for verification
[22:16]  * dwidmann disappears to play Q4
[22:16] <kaje1> Will the upgrade path from 8.04 BETA to 8.04 production be pretty painless or will it require a fresh reinstall?
[22:16] <pen> jaffarkelshac: you like FPS?
[22:16] <Gnine> sauerbraten only got 3 stars in popularity
[22:17] <jaffarkelshac> i do, a lot pen
[22:17] <pen> kaje1: it should be be painless.
[22:17] <googlah> Then I can recommend Sauerbraten (just apt-get it), but mine will not work from yesterday jaffarkelshac. :(
[22:17] <pen> jaffarkelshac: cool, then what kind of FPS you like?
[22:17] <dotech> anyone ever use a HeadRoom Total BitHead mobile headphone amplifier with Hardy?
[22:17] <dotech> 'cuz im about to try
[22:17] <jaffarkelshac> well i play source, battlefield 2, unreal
[22:18] <googlah> but I had 150-200 frames per second while it was working, such an performance to be ubuntu and *unix :)
[22:18] <pen> jaffarkelshac: i see, so fast pace
[22:18] <pen> jaffarkelshac: you should be happy with the quake like games in ubuntu
[22:18] <ethana2> tremulous
[22:19] <ethana2> nexuiz, openarena, alienarena, warsow, sauerbraten
[22:19] <ethana2> and the up-and-coming apricot.... though that's not very quake-like ;)
[22:19] <pen> you even can install cod4 to ubuntu
[22:19] <ethana2> give crystal core a spin and see how you like it
[22:19] <ethana2> cod4??!
[22:19] <pen> well not exactly install
[22:19] <jaffarkelshac> i like nexuiz, very fast pace
[22:19] <pen> yea
[22:19] <ethana2> Call of Duty FOUR?
[22:19] <ethana2> What--
[22:19] <pen> It's possible
[22:19] <ethana2> wow!
[22:20] <ethana2> I have CoD2
[22:20] <googlah> what game do you guys recommend?
[22:20] <ethana2> 4, whoa
[22:20] <googlah> than sauerbraten
[22:20] <pen> yes, you can install that too
[22:20] <jaffarkelshac> i am yet to install a game like bf2 with wine
[22:20] <nemo> googlah: Spring
[22:20] <nemo> googlah: runs natively, nice graphics, fun RTS
[22:20] <ethana2> googlah: all the ones I mentioned
[22:20] <ethana2> give them all a try
[22:20] <ethana2> and Spring for rts, yeah
[22:20] <pen> give all the games a try.
[22:20] <pen> wirh wine
[22:20] <ethana2> yup
[22:20] <ethana2> not like it costs you anything
[22:20] <nemo> googlah: spring + spring lobby
[22:20] <googlah> cool. fetchable through apt-get nemo?
[22:21] <jaffarkelshac> but i think since online requires an encrypted registry cd-key
[22:21] <nemo> googlah: dunno. I tend to build it myself. is fairly trivial, and that way I can test release and HEAD
[22:21] <nemo> googlah: the spring wiki has the apt-get line for the build deps :)
[22:21] <nemo> googlah: probably is in apt-get though
[22:21] <ethana2> firefox: Fatal IO error 11 (Resource temporarily unavailable) on X server :1.0.
[22:21] <ethana2> Segmentation fault (core dumped)
[22:21] <jaffarkelshac> sauerbraten is installing, i have to download a 230mb file though
[22:21] <ethana2> It's been doing this to me all week.....
[22:21] <pen> jaffarkelshac: yea
[22:21] <googlah> no, it wasn't nemo. hm, what is their website?
[22:21] <ethana2> games are big, it's the artwork
[22:21] <nemo> googlah: http://spring.clan-sy.com
[22:21] <pen> ethana2: when did it start doing that
[22:22] <ethana2> I don't remember exactly
[22:22] <pen> ethana2: and what did you do
[22:22] <ethana2> dual seat?
[22:22] <nemo> googlah: hm. website is being a little slow for me
[22:22] <spudgunner> spring is awesome
[22:22] <ethana2> pen: how do I get more details?
[22:22] <googlah> jaffarkelshac: yep. :) if you have a good line it will go fast though. try instagib while on net
[22:22] <nemo> googlah: http://spring.clan-sy.com/wiki/Linux_Page
[22:22] <jaffarkelshac> 2 min left
[22:22] <pen> ethana2: just tell me what did you do before it starts the error
[22:22] <sourcemaker> is there a vmware package for hardy?
[22:22] <nemo> googlah: http://spring.clan-sy.com/wiki/Ubuntu_install
[22:22] <ethana2> nothing in particular
[22:23] <ethana2> I'll be chatting in pidgin
[22:23] <ethana2> and firefox will just explode
[22:23] <pen> can u reinstall firefox?
[22:23] <ethana2> ...or I can be using firefox, and it'll disappear just the same
[22:23] <nemo> googlah: my current favourite Spring mods are Balanced Annihilation (of course) and E&E
[22:23] <ethana2> uhh
[22:23] <ethana2> you think a broken package?
[22:23] <ethana2> I just want the next beta
[22:23] <ethana2> in hopes that whatever it is has been fixed
[22:24] <googlah> nemo: cool. I'll give it a try
[22:24]  * ethana2 checks updates for ff3b5
[22:24] <nemo> googlah: I hang out in #taspring - we should play a game
[22:24] <ethana2> oh
[22:24] <nemo> googlah: BTW, the best AIs for spring are AAI and KAI 0.13
[22:24] <ethana2> partial upgrade....
[22:24] <pen> ethana2: just try it, reinstall
[22:24] <nemo> googlah: KAI 0.13 cheats so is a little stronger than AAI.
[22:24] <jaffarkelshac> googlah, 1 shot kill game nice
[22:24] <ethana2> I think I broke my apt
[22:24] <pen> ethana2: why?
[22:24] <ethana2> golden gun ;)
[22:24] <googlah> cool nemo. I'll add the repo's, and then go for "spring" and "spring-lobby"
[22:25] <ethana2> it says partial upgrade..
[22:25] <ethana2> and then
[22:25] <ethana2> you identified?  I'm going to pm you this
[22:25] <dotech> I/O error
[22:25] <ethana2> pen: you see it?
[22:25] <dotech> Error reading boot CD. :(
[22:26] <ethana2> brb
[22:26] <dotech> SATA dvd-rw
[22:26] <pen> ethana2: yes
[22:26] <googlah> nemo: I'll join #taspring
[22:27] <ethana2> ...any thoughts?
[22:28] <pen> ethana2: didn't I pm you back?
[22:28] <jaffarkelshac> googlah, instagib is not in repo
[22:28] <pen> ethana2: use command line
[22:28] <ethana2> you did not
[22:28] <ethana2> terminal open
[22:29] <pen> sudo apt-get dist-upgrade
[22:29] <slipttees> hardy released in shipit ?
[22:29] <ethana2> ok, looks like it's happy for now
[22:29] <ethana2> it's removing some stuff, installing some stuff
[22:30] <dotech> I wonder why I can't read the boot CD.
[22:30] <dotech> The ubuntu screen comes up and it loads kernel 100%, then the error pops up
[22:30] <dotech> 8042009F in the top left
[22:31] <dotech> i assume that is some error code in hexadecimal
[22:31] <pen> ethana2: :)
[22:31] <dotech> I/O error: Error reading boot CD.
[22:31] <dotech> ill try changing the SATA configuration in my BIOS
[22:31] <googlah> jaffarkelshac: In the game i mean.
[22:31] <googlah> server list. instagib.
[22:32] <googlah> :)
[22:32] <jaffarkelshac> ohhh
[22:32] <jaffarkelshac> i thought it was a game
[22:32] <dotech> instagib dm-17
[22:32] <genpfault> Is there any way to set Xorg 7.3 to use nvidia instead of nv in config-less mode?
[22:32] <jaffarkelshac> brb
[22:32] <orvokki> Define config-less mode.
[22:33] <genpfault> Where you just remove your xorg.conf and let X autodetect everything
[22:33] <sourcemaker> how can I configure the grub root... after installing the new kernel... the menu.lst has been re-generated... but wrong... root (hd0,0) instead of root (hd1,0)
[22:33] <pen> sourcemaker: can you boot?
[22:33] <Gnine> check system>administration>hardware drivers   enable restricted
[22:34] <pen> sourcemaker: if you can boot then it's correct isn't it?
[22:34] <orvokki> Hmm, a new set of nvidia-glx-new seems to be out.
[22:34] <White_Magic> Is there anyway to Overide FF3b4's Decline of Plugins because they dont provide "Secure" Updates?
[22:34] <sourcemaker> pen: well.... I have to change the root in the grub menu...
[22:34] <sourcemaker> pen: without changes... I can't boot the system
[22:35] <orvokki> Kinky, kernel+headers @ 2.6.24-15 seem to already be out.
[22:35] <pen> sourcemaker: are you in ubuntu?
[22:35] <sourcemaker> pen: I am using kubuntu hardy
[22:36] <pen> sourcemaker: I mean, did you change the root at the grub?
[22:36] <pen> sourcemaker: when you boot
[22:36] <Gnine> to edit grub, open terminal , do  sudo gedit /boot/grub/menu.lst
[22:36] <genpfault> Gnine: the nvidia driver works fine with my old xorg.conf, it's just that I can't find any way to get X to prefer it over the nv driver in config-less mode
[22:36] <sourcemaker> pen: yes...
[22:36] <sourcemaker> pen: and then I have changed the value in the menu.lst
[22:36] <pen> sourcemaker: actually there is an app which can simplify your grub men.lst to GUI
[22:36] <mindframe-> how can I disable the 2nd workspace in gnome?
[22:36] <Gnine> once the restricted driver is selected whatever you imply wont matter
[22:37] <pen> it's called QGRUBEditor
[22:37] <pen> try it
[22:37] <ethana2> mindframe-: right click the applet
[22:37] <pen> change on the fly
[22:37] <sourcemaker> pen: where is the difference? I can also edit this file on console....
[22:37] <ethana2> mindframe-: preferences
[22:37] <ethana2> it should be obvious from there
[22:37] <sourcemaker> pen: but I have to change the config on each kernel update ;-)
[22:37] <dotech> should i configure my SATA devices as AHCI?
[22:38] <dotech> or leave them as IDE, IDE seems to be causing problems with the boot cd
[22:38] <pen> sourcemaker: no, I don't think so, usually grub will detect your root automatically
[22:38] <pen> sourcemaker: I don't understand why it changes to the wrong one
[22:38] <jaffarkelshac> i just tried out the game, very very fast paced
[22:38] <pen> for you
[22:38] <sourcemaker> I have three partitions... maybe there is something wrong
[22:38] <sourcemaker> i mean three hard disks
[22:39] <pen> sourcemaker: ok..
[22:39] <pen> sourcemaker: whatever, try QGRUBEditor
[22:40] <pen> you would love it if you like GUI
[22:41] <jaffarkelshac> googlah, very good game
[22:42] <dotech> man this is a nightmare
[22:42] <dotech> i can't even get the boot cd to work :\
[22:42] <googlah> jaffarkelshac: it sure is. was it smooth for you?
[22:42] <jaffarkelshac> googlah, very good, and it is smooth, i have not tried online yet
[22:42] <dotech> has anyone installed hardy with a sata optical drive?
[22:43] <googlah> great. we should play, although mine is not working. lol
[22:43] <dwidmann> dotech: I have
[22:43] <dotech> it doesn't seem to work right, i've tried IDE and AHCI modes
[22:44] <dotech> in IDE mode i get i/o errors after the kernel load 100%
[22:44] <dotech> in AHCI mode the boot cd isn't detected as a bootable disc
[22:44] <dwidmann> dotech: that's no fun, are you dead positive it's that specific drive?
[22:44] <dotech> nope, i only have 1 sata drive
[22:45] <dotech> i just built this pc last night
[22:45] <dwidmann> dotech: if it's not being detected as bootable ... that's probably the motherboards fault.
[22:45] <dotech> in 7.10 i can boot into ubuntu
[22:45] <dwidmann> dotech: I built mine last week :)
[22:45] <dotech> in 8.04 it fails after it says kernel 100% with "Error reading CD"
[22:45] <dotech> I could try burning the CD again for Hardy
[22:45] <dotech> at a slower speed :)
[22:46] <dwidmann> dotech: come to think of things, I was using the alternate, but it booted up okay. (I had other issues with the installer though)
[22:46] <dotech> I'll try burning at 4x
[22:46] <dwidmann> dotech: run the "check cd for errors" thing?
[22:46] <dotech> that's always worked for PS2 games
[22:46] <dotech> yea same error when i try that
[22:46] <dwidmann> Fun fun
[22:46] <dotech> we'll see, ill reburn it
[22:46] <dwidmann> Which drive did you get so I can remind myself not to buy one?
[22:46] <googlah> jaffarkelshac: yeah.. it is good to see ubuntu really keep up the performance. :-)
[22:46] <x1250> you could install 7.10 and full-upgrade to 8.04 also
[22:47] <jaffarkelshac> googlah, oh yeah, i switched last week and i use my windows less and less
[22:47] <dotech> dwidmann, haha, its this one http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16827151153
[22:47] <dotech> i think its probably just the CD though, i'm trying again now :)
[22:48] <dwidmann> dotech: kay then
[22:48] <googlah> jaffarkelshac: me too. :D
[22:48] <Gnine> there is a possible firmware issue
[22:48] <dwidmann> That's a good drive, I can almost guarentee you it's not the drive. in fact, if you click all reviews, mine is third from the top
[22:48] <dotech> x1250, if i have to i'll do that
[22:49] <dotech> dwidmann, its not the drive i used to burn the cd though
[22:49] <jaffarkelshac> i do with it had a broader game though googlah
[22:49] <orvokki> Right, just updated to 2.6.24-15, seems to work fine.
[22:49] <dotech> haha good
[22:49] <dotech> should i run the drive as AHCI?
[22:49] <dotech> or IDE?
[22:50] <dwidmann> dotech: I'm running it as AHCI and it seems to be doing okay
[22:50] <dotech> ok nice
[22:50] <dwidmann> dotech:  though I changed this yesterday, when I installed I had it set to IDE (it was the default on the board)
[22:50] <dotech> hmm ok, good to note
[22:50] <dotech> i tried both and they did act differently
[22:50] <dotech> in 7.10 i have to use the "irqprobe" workaround
[22:51] <nemo> eep
[22:51] <dotech> but with that it works fine
[22:51] <nemo> 226 upgraded, 0 newly installed, 0 to remove and 9 not upgraded.
[22:51] <nemo> Need to get 245MB of archives.
[22:51] <nemo> After this operation, 778kB of additional disk space will be used.
[22:51] <nemo> ok. clearly things change fast
[22:51] <dwidmann> dotech: Might be your motherboard
[22:51] <geniehost> hello everybody how to install CompizConfig in 8.4?
[22:51] <dotech> Abit IP-35 Pro
[22:51] <dotech> i hope its not the motherboard, its a quality part
[22:51] <Gnine> !ccsm | geniehost
[22:51] <ubotu> geniehost: To enable advanced customization of desktop effects in Ubuntu 7.10 (Gutsy), install 'compizconfig-settings-manager'. A new option will appear in your appearance properties - See also !compiz - Help in #compiz-fusion
[22:52] <dwidmann> Doesn't mean that it's fully supported/not buggy to use
[22:52] <dotech> true
[22:52] <dwidmann> What are the chipsets on that board?
[22:52] <Gnine> same for 8.04 , geniehost
[22:52] <dotech> actually you know what, its definitely this CD-RW
[22:52] <dotech> TDK is crap :)
[22:52] <dwidmann> I think it's the southbridge that matters IIRC, mine has an ICH9R southbridge dotech
[22:53] <dotech> i've had issues with this in the past now that i thought about it, i'll use a sony disc instead
[22:53] <h3sp4wn> The most reliable I have ever seen compiz is on SuSe SLED
[22:53] <h3sp4wn> With Xgl + nvidia
[22:53] <dotech> dwidmann, i think i have the same southbridge
[22:53] <White_Magic> I thought Nvida didnt need XGL?
[22:54] <x1250> is it possible to get smooth scrolling with touchpad in hardy?
[22:54] <dotech> burning on a sony cd-rw @ 7x, this should do it
[22:54] <dotech> cd-r rather
[22:54] <dwidmann> dotech: certainly hope so\
[22:54] <Gnine> i only have normal settings with no ccsm ... all i need
[22:54] <dwidmann> dotech: I never use
[22:54] <dwidmann> RW's ....
[22:54] <dotech> yea me neither
[22:54] <dwidmann> (curse that enter key)
[22:54] <x1250> I found this post, but I don't know if it applies now: http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=666828
[22:54] <h3sp4wn> White_Magic: Thats true but Novell did the testing etc
[22:54] <dotech> just a habbit of mine to say rw
[22:55] <dwidmann> dotech: non-rw's are sooooooo cheap
[22:55] <dotech> lol yea, i have like 500 of them here, i think they were free too
[22:55] <h3sp4wn> And are / were willing to support it properly
[22:55] <billisnice> welcome to the jungle
[22:55] <dotech> bootable cds always seem sensitive to the quality of the disc itself
[22:55] <dotech> and the speed at which it was burned
[22:56] <dwidmann> dotech: truth, I've coastered many a CD
[22:56] <dwidmann> dotech: especially with that one drive that went bad
[22:56] <geniehost> thanks Gnine
[22:56] <geniehost> Gnine, works
[22:56] <geniehost> ;)
[22:56] <Gnine> 10-4
[22:57] <White_Magic> is it safe to Update yet...?
[22:57] <jaffarkelshac> i did no problems i have the 15 now
[22:57] <jaffarkelshac> updates are coming in like water
[22:58] <White_Magic> I thought it had problems with Restricted Modules?
[22:58] <dwidmann> billisnice: We've got fun'n games
[22:58] <jaffarkelshac> the last two kernel updates took away my ability to control lcd brightness which i a annoyed about, i adjust when pc starts
[22:59] <dotech> dwidmann, booting up now, fingers crossed
[22:59] <dwidmann> dotech: what proc did you go with?
[22:59] <dotech> core 2 quad core, 6600
[22:59] <dotech> its temp is only 18C right now, which is amazing
[22:59] <dwidmann> :O
[22:59] <dotech> i have to OC it :)
[23:00] <dotech> i was planning to use this PC as a space heater
[23:00] <dwidmann> dotech: I'm going the other route, trying to make it silent.
[23:00] <dotech> other than my GPU fans it is silent
[23:00] <dotech> those GPU fans are quite annoying though
[23:00] <dwidmann> dotech: ordered a huge heatsink for my GPU the other day
[23:00] <dotech> any recommendation how to deal with that? (i have 2 video cards btw)
[23:01] <dotech> 7600GT BFG Tech, they're OC'd in the box
[23:01] <jaffarkelshac> is it really necessary to overclock in ubuntu?
[23:02]  * Gnine got two fans and it sounds like a pressurized plane cabin here
[23:02] <dwidmann> dotech: put a good heatsink on them, and use some large, quiet 120mm fans with good airflow around them maybe?
[23:02] <dwidmann> Gnine: replace them?
[23:02] <dwidmann> jaffarkelshac: depends what you want to do.
[23:02] <Gnine> i kind of like that noise
[23:02] <dwidmann> jaffarkelshac: ie: if you were folding, doing statistics stuff, etc, overclocking would definitely be useful
[23:03] <dotech> hmm yea i need 120MM on them
[23:03] <jaffarkelshac> dwidmann, but why, in windows i get it, its for games pretty much
[23:03] <dotech> my case has 5 120MM, 1 220MM, and the CPU's fan is like 90MM but its only 18dB
[23:03] <dotech> PSU is 120mm too
[23:03] <dotech> the GPUs are killer though
[23:03] <dwidmann> jaffarkelshac: overclocking the cpu generally isn't all that useful for games seeing as the GPU does all of the work, you'd need to overclock the GPU ....
[23:04] <dotech> actually CPU fan is 110mm
[23:04] <dwidmann> dotech: I've got 2 120mm, 2 80mm, and I have a 110mm on the CPU (16dB at lowest setting)
[23:04] <calc> dwidmann: overclocking the cpu helps to compile faster ;)
[23:04] <dotech> calc, exactly :)
[23:04] <dotech> and run unit tests faster
[23:04] <jaffarkelshac> i wonder how well games play under ubuntu with wine
[23:04] <calc> dotech: especially stuff like openoffice, hehe
[23:05] <sourcemaker> can I download the vmware-vdiskmanager to convert the images without downloading the complete vmware-server package?
[23:05] <jaffarkelshac> anyone tried
[23:05] <dotech> yep
[23:05] <jaffarkelshac> which game
[23:05] <dotech> damn, disk boot failure still
[23:05] <dwidmann> calc: yeah ... it'd be nice if there were some concurrency going on with the compiles :( .... My quad wants some work to do :)
[23:05] <calc> dwidmann: yea it doesn't work too well, there is support for it in the ubuntu packaging but its disabled by default
[23:05] <Gnine> !wine
[23:05] <ubotu> WINE is a compatibility layer for running Windows programs on GNU/Linux. See https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Wine for more information, and see !AppDB for application compatibility.
[23:05] <dotech> jaffarkelshac, sorry i meant yep to calc's comment
[23:06] <dotech> i haven't gotten ubuntu to boot yet :)
[23:06] <calc> dwidmann: when we had it enabled it would inevitably fail on the buildds a different one each time
[23:06] <jaffarkelshac> its fine
[23:06] <dotech> ok so with AHCI, i can't boot any ubuntu disc
[23:06] <dwidmann> calc: *nod* ... sad though, it took me 45mins to compile myself a kernel yesterday
[23:06] <calc> dwidmann: you can enable it if you want to compile your own ooo debs
[23:07] <jaffarkelshac> am off to play games
[23:07] <dotech> oh damn, i think its using the wrong boot device
[23:07] <teufelhunden> Hey, have a question about my GPU (8800 GT): In my efforts to get GLX working, the only driver I have found to work is the proprietery driver off of nvidia's website.  However, every time I restsart my computer the driver won't work untill I reinstall it.  Seeing as how I switch hardrives and reboot often, this is a... major inconvinence.  Any ideas?
[23:07] <dotech> it made up this "SATA CD" device, but it also has my real cd drive in the list
[23:07]  * Gnine does not think thats an ubuntu specific issue, dotech 
[23:07] <dwidmann> dotech:  weirrrrrrrrrrrd.
[23:07] <dotech> yea i don't think so either
[23:08] <dotech> i'll figure it out on my own, definitely not a ubuntu problem
[23:08] <h3sp4wn> It shouldn't matter anyway its the whole point of the UUID stuff
[23:08] <nemo> teufelhunden: WAG - it hasn't been added to modules to load on startup
[23:08] <nemo> teufelhunden: so you keep reinstalling it to execute the modprobe
[23:09] <dwidmann> h3sp4wn: If only grub could use UUIDs instead of its own (hd,x) system ...
[23:09] <nemo> seems it'd be easy to test this by trying to do a modprobe instead of a reinstall
[23:09] <teufelhunden> Ok then
[23:09] <nemo> teufelhunden: and reason it isn't being loaded on startup is probably 'cause the nvidia installer sucked.
[23:09] <teufelhunden> Well, its the only way GLX works, so i'm kind of stuck there.
[23:09] <h3sp4wn> dwidmann: The bios usually can make sure that its going to boot from one
[23:09] <nemo> dwidmann: it can't?
[23:10] <nemo> h3sp4wn: once BIOS has loaded drive though. I see what he is saying
[23:10] <nemo> had a friend who was being...
[23:10] <nemo> oh wait. I remember what he did
[23:10] <nemo> he mucked with udev
[23:10] <nemo> made sure that certain UIDs always got certain drive letters
[23:10] <dwidmann> h3sp4wn: nemo: the hard drives sometimes end up out-of-order thgough, in which case grub goes crazy and you have to fix it manually.
[23:10] <nemo> that way his grub mappings were always right
[23:11] <Gnine> uuid has nothing to do with bootloading
[23:11] <nemo> dwidmann: you can work around that. tad annoying that it isn't default behaviour, but I guess it is to allow for sane drive swapping. ro something.
[23:11] <nemo> Gnine: UUID can be used for udev though
[23:11] <nemo> Gnine: which means you can map /dev/hdz to a specific drive
[23:11] <nemo> Gnine: then, your boot loader, which read its boot partition fine, can find the other drives correctly.
[23:11] <Gnine> thats the OS/kernel job
[23:11] <dotech> dwidmann, fixed :)
[23:11] <nemo> Gnine: I know :) I'm noting that's where he fixed it :-p
[23:12] <nemo> luckily not a problem I have
[23:12] <dwidmann> Basically, what I mean is, instead of telling grub to boot using root device hd(0,4), boot from UUID=.... - that would be nice.
[23:12] <dotech> after i changed the SATA chip from IDE to AHCI it didn't select the correct device as the boot device
[23:12] <dotech> it had SATA CDROM, which apparently isn't really my SATA cd rom
[23:12] <h3sp4wn> Sun has some really cool things its changed about grub
[23:13] <dotech> i had to select the TSblah-CCD device which was my real optical drive
[23:13] <nemo> dwidmann: yeah. just muck with udev.  then set your entries in your /boot/grub/device.map to match
[23:13] <nemo> dwidmann: almost as good as UUID in device.map
[23:13] <Gnine> that takes the flavor outta modular computing
[23:14] <nemo> Gnine: better than his issues with failing to boot every time he added/removed a drive.
[23:14] <dwidmann> nemo: , not really, but it's a fix, I just pulled my other drives for now. I plan on selling a couple of them, casing my 400GB, and I've kept the 750GB in.
[23:14] <h3sp4wn> The network attached storage stuff is worse to deal with
[23:14] <dwidmann> nemo: cut power consumption by about 40 watts by pulling those three drives out.
[23:14] <dwidmann> nemo: (down to ~105watts idle now)
[23:14] <nemo> nice.
[23:15] <nemo> I need to do more on that front. my computers are like half my house electrical bill these days :-/
[23:15] <dotech> haha
[23:15] <nemo> given the lights are all CFs.
[23:15] <dwidmann> dotech: I know what you mean ... my old rig was sucking about 300 watts on idle
[23:15] <nemo> dwidmann: yeah, that's like 20 compact flourescent bulbs.
[23:16] <h3sp4wn> My Sun is 625W idle
[23:16] <dwidmann> nemo: my laptop in battery mode, assuming ACPI isn't lying too bad, when I've tweaked things in powertop, uses no more than a compact fluorescent.
[23:16] <frostburn> where can I find the latest default configuration files?  I want to make sure a configuration file isn't in the new build, and or build open a bugreport ifso
[23:16] <dwidmann> h3sp4wn: That sounds expensive.
[23:17] <h3sp4wn> dwidmann: Fortunately I don't pay for my electricity whilst I am in uni accodation
[23:17] <Gnine> you are using a mainframe for desktop
[23:17] <h3sp4wn> Its a Sun Blade 1000 - its a workstation not a server
[23:17] <dotech> if i install hardy with only 1 of my 3 monitors hooked up will that change anything? i.e., will i have to do extra work to configure the other 2 monitors if i don't have them hooked up during the install?
[23:18] <dwidmann> h3sp4wn: You're lucky for that then
[23:18] <dwidmann> dotech: it probably won't set them up for you anyway, you'll have to do that yourself, using nvidia-settings command
[23:18] <dotech> ok
[23:19] <dwidmann> dotech: though I'm not sure how well it copes with three monitors, I know it works very well for two.
[23:19] <Gnine> default
[23:19] <h3sp4wn> Depends on the card as well
[23:20] <dwidmann> h3sp4wn: he has two 7600gts
[23:20] <dwidmann> (assuming I'm right in saying he, odds are statistically pretty good)
[23:20] <dotech> well, i'll get it working if its the last thign i do ;)
[23:20] <dotech> yes
[23:21] <sourcemaker> can I download vmware-vdiskmanager as a separed file? To download the complete vmware-server package does takes a long time with my slow dsl
[23:22] <dotech> damn it doesn't seem to detect my MS wireless mouse
[23:22] <almostdvs> "failed to run /usr/bin/synaptic ...   ... unable to copy Xauthorization file"   can anyone help?
[23:22] <dwidmann> dotech: maybe it will work with the evdev mouse driver?
[23:22] <dwidmann> (long shot, but hey, try it)
[23:23] <dotech> sure
[23:23] <h3sp4wn> sourcemaker: did you look / ? http://petruska.stardock.net/software/VMware.html
[23:24] <dotech> my wired usb mouse works :)
[23:24] <dotech> good enough for now
[23:25] <sourcemaker> h3sp4wn: it's not for linux...
[23:25] <dotech> the wireless usb should look the same so doubtful its a ubuntu problem
[23:27] <dotech> yep, works now, just old mouse problem :)
[23:27] <dotech> they get tired in old age
[23:32] <dredhammer> Hello guys just ran into an error with Hardy, all i did was install the OSE version of virtualbox did a reboot and the error Failed to Intialize HAL is there on boot
[23:33] <dredhammer> even though virtualbox is uninstalled it keeps popping up
[23:33] <dredhammer> and i have no net connection, right now this is via the live cd
[23:34] <boxybrown> will https://help.ubuntu.com/community/PostfixCompleteVirtualMailSystemHowto work with hardy?
[23:36] <dotech> The ext3 file system creation in partition #1 of SCSI4 (0,0,0) (sda) failed. :\
[23:39] <dotech> guess i'll try setting the partitions manually
[23:39] <Thib_> hmm
[23:40] <dotech> seems to get to about 5% then dies
[23:40] <Thib_> I just got a new laptop and slapped the beta on it
[23:40] <Thib_> but it doesn't seem to be working out of the box
[23:41] <Thib_> I'm only able to choose between 640x480 and 800x600 resolution, and my wireless interface isn't listed anywhere
[23:41] <Thib_> so, overall, it seems that it's working but not recognizing quite everything I'd want it to.
[23:42] <Thib_> anybody can help me with that?
[23:42] <dredhammer> what's the video chipset Thib?
[23:42] <dotech> hehe, ubiquity closed unexpectedly, must have excepted
[23:43] <Thib_> I don't know; how can I find out? presumably by grep'ping for the right thing in dmesg or similar
[23:43] <dredhammer> well if its a new laptop it should be in the manual itself :)
[23:44] <dredhammer> intel?
[23:44] <dredhammer> via?
[23:44] <dredhammer> nvidia?
[23:44] <Thib_> oh I see
[23:44] <dredhammer> for the video chipset
[23:44] <Thib_> the spec page says NVIDIA GeForce Go 7150M
[23:44] <dredhammer> well
[23:44] <dredhammer> is the restricted drivers installed?
[23:44] <dredhammer> for nvidia
[23:44] <dotech> i hope ubiquity wasn't something important
[23:45] <dredhammer> no clue what that is dotech
[23:45] <dotech> me neither haha
[23:45] <dotech> its resizing the partition regardless
[23:45] <dotech> ah, that actually acquires drivers
[23:45] <Thib_> when I first logged in, a bubble told me that restricted drivers were in use, and it lists three such drivers.
[23:45] <dotech> gets 3rd party drivers
[23:46] <Thib_> one is "nvidia_new"; it says "Enabled" (the box is checked) but then in the next column it says "not in use"
[23:46] <larson9999> my screen resolution gets reset every time i reboot.  is there some setting i need to change so it's kept from one session to the next?
[23:46] <larson9999> i don't remember setting anything in previous versions for this to happen.
[23:47] <dredhammer> whats your video chipset/card larson9999?
[23:47] <dredhammer> Thib_ that may be your problem
[23:47] <dredhammer> enable the restricted nvidia drivers
[23:47] <larson9999> dredhammer, nvidia go2 or whatever the notation is for the laptop cards
[23:47] <dredhammer> then install the nvidia video settings tool
[23:48] <Thib_> how do I do that?
[23:48] <dredhammer> then set the correct screen resolution
[23:48] <Thib_> oh wait
[23:48] <Thib_> well
[23:48] <dredhammer> reboot and it should work
[23:48] <Thib_> for one thing the wireless doesn't work either
[23:48] <dredhammer> worked in previous ubuntu?
[23:48] <Thib_> so maybe if I fix that first then I can get online, then download some drivers :-)
[23:49] <Thib_> unfortunately I'm mixing two issues here; it's a new laptop
[23:49] <larson9999> dredhammer, you're in two conversations about similar topics!
[23:49] <dredhammer> eerie aint it?
[23:49] <Thib_> I tried 8.04beta on it but have no previous installation of Ubuntu on it, so I don't know if it worked previously or not
[23:49] <Thib_> the other two drivers listed in the bubble have to do with wireless, but they say "Enabled" and "in use"
[23:49] <dredhammer> larson9999 enable your restricted nvidia drivers install
[23:50] <larson9999> dredhammer, for me, the video card is installed properly and opengl works and everything.
[23:50] <dotech> anyone else ever have a problem with the guided partitioning?
[23:50] <dredhammer> then install nvidia settings
[23:50] <dredhammer> and edit your screen resolutions etc from there
[23:50] <dredhammer> then reboot
[23:50] <dotech> it seems to be failing to create the first partition because it fails trying to write the ext3 file system
[23:50] <mhollisjr> is there a way to use a keybinding to open dolphin?
[23:50] <dredhammer> make sure to unlock aka run the app as root
[23:50] <dredhammer> for the settings to be saved
[23:51] <larson9999> dredhammer, and nvidia settings are set correctly.  i change the resolution to the one i like, 1024/768.  when i reboot it reverts to a higher resolution.
[23:51] <dredhammer> did you launch it as temp root
[23:51] <dredhammer> sudo nvidia-settings
[23:51] <dredhammer> then save the configuration to xorg?
[23:51] <dredhammer> there should be a button to do that
[23:51] <dredhammer> in there
[23:51] <Thib_> the other two drivers listed are "Atheros hardware access layer" and "Support for Ahteros 802.11 wireless LAN cards"
[23:52] <dredhammer> hmm
[23:52] <Thib_> they both say "enabled" and "in use" but I don't see my wireless interface anywhere (network applet, ifconfig, iwconfig)
[23:52] <joh> Firefox broken for anyone else on hardy? It's suddenly extremely slow now and hangs every 10 seconds during it's 1min startup time.
[23:52] <dredhammer> well your wireless should be working
[23:52] <dotech> anyone have tips on how to debug the installer?
[23:52] <larson9999> dredhammer, yeah, and the resolution is in xorg.conf.  it's just not saving my user preference.
[23:53] <dotech> i don't mind getting a little dirty
[23:53] <dotech> it's failing during the partitioning, if i had some debug logs i could get somewhere
[23:54] <larson9999> nvidia-glx is in the upgrade.  guess i might as well wait to see how it behaves after the upgrade is finishe.
[23:54] <erle-> wow, there is really a hardy channel
[23:54] <erle-> i found it too late, all my problems are solved ;)
[23:54] <dotech> now you can help others :)
[23:54] <larson9999> joh, so far firefox3 is great here.
[23:54] <jaffarkelshac> i hope someone can help, really annoying me. i cant play sound from 2 diff sources. i have to close the first app first and sometimes, the second app wont have sound until restarti have to use a diff app to watch videos.
[23:55] <Thib_> it should be but it doesn't seem to be
[23:55] <Thib_> I don't see it listed anywhere
[23:55] <Thib_> where is there a list of various hardware on my machine
[23:55] <Thib_> I don't know where it's moved to
[23:55] <joh> larson9999: Hmm, wierd.
[23:55] <erle-> dotech, i was stupid enough to install hardy alpha on my working laptop
[23:55] <erle-> few days before beta should start
[23:55] <dotech> haha
[23:55] <erle-> but there haven't been very bad issues
[23:55] <dotech> i have a brand new system so no problems for me to reinstall or crash :)
[23:56] <dotech> only problem is i can't install
[23:56] <erle-> why not?
[23:56] <erle-> what system do you have?
[23:56] <dotech> guided partitioning fails trying to write the ext3 file system to partition #1
[23:56] <erle-> dotech, in the graphical installer?
[23:56] <larson9999> erle-, dell inspiron 8200 laptop
[23:57] <Thib_> does anybody know?
[23:57] <dotech> custom built, brand new hardware, sata hdd, sata cdrom, abit IP-35 pro motherboard, intel core 2 quad, 8gb memory, using 64-bit ubuntu cd
[23:57] <dotech> desktop
[23:57] <dotech> erle-, yea the graphical
[23:57] <dotech> its in the desktop running okay
[23:58] <erle-> and where do you think is the problem?
[23:58] <dotech> thats what i'm trying to figure out
[23:58] <erle-> try mke2fs manually
[23:58] <dotech> if i knew where to look for some logs i could start trying things
[23:58] <erle-> maybe it is a bug in the e2fs tools
[23:58] <jaffarkelshac> does anyone know any channel for discussing computer hardware
[23:58] <Turski> dotech: 64-bit on core 2?
[23:58] <dotech> ok ill try that
[23:58] <erle-> they are pretty fresh
[23:58] <|DuReX|> the access beyond end of device error should really be fixxed in Hardy when u are using dmraid
[23:59] <|DuReX|> its kinda messy
[23:59] <dotech> Turski, yea
[23:59] <erle-> Turski, yeah, i have it too
[23:59] <Turski> dotech: why? O_o
[23:59] <dotech> 8gb memory
[23:59] <Turski> but.. core2 isn't 64-bit?
[23:59] <Thib_> it used to be called Device Manager and it was under System > Administration > Hardware Information
[23:59] <dotech> i thought it was?
[23:59] <dotech> it says on the box haha
[23:59] <|DuReX|> core 2 is 64bit
[23:59] <Turski> wtf
[23:59] <Turski> is it?
[23:59] <dotech> yea
[23:59] <|DuReX|> yes