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sliptteesafter update hardy, gdm don't start00:00
alex_mayorgah3sp4wn, is there a command line way? once that blue menu comes up my keyboard interactions do not reflect on the screen :(00:00
Jordan_Uslipttees, Does X start?00:00
sliptteesyes00:01
sliptteesgdm broken :S00:01
alex_mayorgaI'll try to do it "blindly" if there's no other way00:01
h3sp4wnalex_mayorga: There is tons of ways00:01
Jordan_Ualex_mayorga, What are you trying to do?00:01
rbanffyGilou: I use it with mergedfb under gutsy00:01
h3sp4wnrbanffy: mergedfb is no more for everybody00:01
sliptteesJordan_U: Login screen00:01
alex_mayorgaJordan_U get my video back00:01
rbanffyh3sp4wn: I know, but all I want is to use the two screens00:02
Jordan_Ualex_mayorga, Can you ssh in?00:02
alex_mayorgaJordan_U, guide00:02
h3sp4wnrbanffy: I went through the same annoying stuff a few months ago when the only box I had I needed 2 screens on00:03
Jordan_Ualex_mayorga, Please be more clear.00:03
h3sp4wnrbanffy: Hopefully its a bit better now00:03
enderJordan_U: found my solution...http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=738216&highlight=b4300:04
enderthanks00:04
h3sp4wnalex_mayorga: What you you tried ?00:04
alex_mayorgaJordan_U Bug #14670600:05
ubotuLaunchpad bug 146706 in xserver-xorg-video-nv "[Hardy alpha 6] Live cd graphics fail with nvidia geforce4 440 go " [High,Triaged] https://launchpad.net/bugs/14670600:05
gluerfixed my nvidia res, now my cpu is at 100% utilization, this all happened after the updates..00:05
alex_mayorgamine is not exactly a live CD now, because I've used the command line to get updated to the latest hardy updates, but the video card still spits flashing characters in colours00:06
glueranyone getting 100% cpu after updates from yesterday?00:07
h3sp4wnCan anyone enlighten me as to where pand has gone (I would expect it to be in bluez-utils or so)00:07
h3sp4wnalex_mayorga: Why not try noveau (wrong spelling)00:07
HorizonXPhey, can someone help me with bind9 and dns?00:08
HorizonXPright now I have it set up to do DNS caching, and it works pretty well00:08
sliptteesJordan_U: check my gdm log00:08
sliptteeshttp://pastebin.ca/97029200:08
beshygluer: had that with compiz:>00:08
alex_mayorgah3sp4wn, let me know when you figure out bluetooth PAN or better yet put in the wiki00:08
alex_mayorgah3sp4wn, how to try noveau?00:08
HorizonXPhowever, I think there's a problem where I can't connect to my campus' wireless authentication page, at least not for a while00:08
AmyRoseSo Hardy has been delayed by three months, eh? =D00:08
HorizonXPAmyRose: April Fool's!00:09
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AmyRoseHorizonXP: Oh, only a month and a half, right?00:09
h3sp4wnalex_mayorga: I guess I would probably just forcibly remove xserver-xorg-video-nv00:09
AmyRose:D00:09
HorizonXP!hardy00:09
ubotuHardy Heron is the code name for the next release of Ubuntu (8.04-LTS), due April 24, 2008 - For more info, see: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/HardyHeron - CONSIDER IT TO BE BETA SOFTWARE - Discussion and support in #ubuntu+1, NOT #ubuntu00:09
HorizonXPonly 21 days00:10
AmyRoseHorizonXP: That's impossible!00:10
alex_mayorgah3sp4wn, let me try that00:10
* AmyRose laughs00:10
HorizonXPhow?00:10
sliptteesmy gdm don't work00:10
* AmyRose has been kidding all along00:10
HorizonXP...00:10
sliptteesplease, i need help in log's http://pastebin.ca/97029200:10
* HorizonXP doesn't process sarcasm through the pipes00:10
HorizonXPlol00:10
alex_mayorgah3sp4wn, what to do after the removal?00:11
h3sp4wnJust try - xinit00:11
h3sp4wnCan you not use nvidia-glx-legacy either ?00:13
alex_mayorgah3sp4wn, that removal took xserver-xorg-video-all with it, that can't be good, right00:13
h3sp4wnalex_mayorga: That doesn't matter really00:14
h3sp4wnthat package doesn't actually contain anything00:14
h3sp4wnJust put it back when you know xserver-xorg-video-nv is fixed also00:14
alex_mayorgaOK00:15
rbanffyh3sp4wn: Any idea on how can I diagnose the monitor detection problem?00:15
alex_mayorgaso after the removal, what command to run?00:15
h3sp4wnxinit00:15
alex_mayorgaor I just ctrl+bksp+alt?00:15
h3sp4wnrbanffy: Have you read about xrandr 1.2 ?00:16
rbanffyNo. What is it?00:16
alex_mayorgah3sp4wn: "Server already active for display 0"00:16
rbanffyh3sp4wn: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/XRandR ?00:17
Roeyh3sp4wn:  heya00:17
Roeyh3sp4wn:  can you come into #ubuntu-devel for a second?00:18
Roeyh3sp4wn:  thanks00:18
sliptteeswtf ? http://pastebin.ca/970292 gdm don't work00:20
sliptteesplease.. :-(00:20
bod_hey guys, winehq.com doesnt have any idea how to install wine in hardy, so shall i just rab it from repos?00:25
RAOFbod_: Yes.00:26
sliptteesbod_: universe have last hardy00:26
bod_ok, cheers guys00:26
alex_mayorgah3sp4wn, looks like I'm running a rather strange config00:28
lamalexpycentral broken for anyone else?00:28
lamalexhttp://www.paste2.org/p/1874100:28
bhsxbod_ or, if you're into small-time piracy.... you could go to youtorrent.com or TPB and find crossover office 6.200:29
bhsxnot that i condone that sort of thing, but i have cx6.2 (legally) and it works great in hardy00:29
bhsxi just have it for Office (for the wife) and photoshop (for the kid)00:29
bod_bhsx, sorry, how does that relate to my question?00:29
bod_gimp is god00:30
bhsxcrossover is wine00:30
bod_oh, ok ty00:30
bhsxcodeweavers crossover office00:30
bod_no, crossover is a commercial version of pretty much the same thin00:30
nemobod_: gimp has some capabilities photoshop doesn't :)00:30
nemobod_: praise the plugin community.00:30
ZambeziVirtualbox won't work here. It says there's no kernelmodule installed. Any ideas when the new arrives?00:30
nemobod_: liquid rescale for example.00:30
bhsxbod_: correct00:30
bod_and gimp can install photoshop plugins00:30
bhsxyou asked how to install wine...00:31
bod_winecfg or wine cf  ??00:31
bod_cf=cfg00:31
nemobod_: really? neat. 'course. I'd have to get them running under linux first I imagine.00:31
bhsxi'm not getting into a gimp vs PS ...00:31
nemobod_: or are photoshop plugins also written in scripting languages?00:31
bod_nemo, no, its an exe that you install through wine onto gimp which allows you to use PS pluins,.,. oogle it00:31
* bod_ apologizes for his dodgy 'g' key00:32
Luckriderwhat is the command for finding out usb devices that are connected00:34
Luckrider?00:34
h3sp4wnalex_mayorga: pkill Xorg00:34
jerichokbLuckrider: lsusb00:34
h3sp4wnalex_mayorga: Then run - xinit again00:34
Luckriderthanks00:34
h3sp4wnrbanffy: Yeah thats it I cannot find much about how it relates to SiS though00:35
sliptteestheme old human is R0X :D00:35
sliptteeshardy wont have it :-(00:35
h3sp4wnRoey: For what reason00:35
rbanffyh3sp4wn: I really would like to help making the official way work on my hardware...00:36
h3sp4wnrbanffy: The thing is even for intel the applications are still catching up00:37
rbanffyh3sp4wn: Is there any place I can report my problem so X folks (those not hanging around IRC, that is) can have a look at it?00:37
Gninemurrine is way cooler , slipttees00:37
rbanffyh3sp4wn: I can run tests and report results back ;-)00:37
sliptteeshumm00:37
h3sp4wnrbanffy: The same issue exists for pretty much all the free drivers00:38
rbanffyh3sp4wn: :-(00:38
sliptteesGnine: i like old human theme :D00:38
rbanffyh3sp4wn: ubuntu+2, perhaps? ;-)00:38
sliptteesGnine: i love it :D00:38
h3sp4wnrbanffy: Have you tried using xrandr to sort it out00:39
rbanffyh3sp4wn: I will try to figure it out.00:39
h3sp4wnrbanffy: I don't even know how much of the required stuff is implimented00:39
bod_oh guys, while im here, i have a small problem with my system clock since the DST a few nihts back,.,. what time is it GMT +0   ??00:39
h3sp4wnGMT is 23:4000:40
jaffarkelshacwhen you type (dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg)is there any graphics related questions at all, i only get keyboared related questions when i want to fix my graphic res problem, gutsy had more00:40
h3sp4wnrbanffy: http://wiki.debian.org/XStrikeForce/HowToRandR1200:41
Exilantjaffarkelshac: it's now mostly autodetect00:41
Gnine!xorg00:41
ubotuThe X Window System is the part of your system that's responsible for graphical output. To restart your X, type « sudo /etc/init.d/?dm restart » in a console - To fix screen resolution or other X problems: http://help.ubuntu.com/community/FixVideoResolutionHowto00:41
jaffarkelshacwell that is not workin Exilant its not autodecting anything00:41
Exilantjaffarkelshac: it seems to read some things from the xorg.conf00:42
rbanffyh3sp4wn: Thanks00:42
Exilantbut i'm not really sure how that all works now00:43
jaffarkelshacmy num pad on my keyboard now moves my mouse, very frustrating i cant seem to fix it00:43
h3sp4wnIt still uses xorg.conf if its present00:43
jaffarkelshacjust fixed the mouse key thing, i seem to have ticked mouse keys under keyboard ha, took me all day to find it00:44
Exilantbut ignores parts of it00:44
Exilantor most, actually00:44
h3sp4wnIt doesn't00:44
Exilantyay, new restricted modules00:44
Exilantit does00:44
h3sp4wnYou can override most of the stupid stuff anyway00:45
Exilantfor example, write driver=fglrx in it, without restricted modules :)00:45
Exilantit will proceed, unlike previous versions00:45
h3sp4wn(e.g the DPI being hardcoded at 96x96 in a few places)00:45
Exilanti tried activating shm for my touchpad, those settings seem to get ignored completely00:46
h3sp4wnI don't diagree that its more picky about what you can do00:47
h3sp4wn(As far as I can see there is only one way to do what I needed)00:47
GilouI think I should give up learning CS ...00:47
GilouI just rebooted once leaving ACPI on00:47
Gilouand it booted..00:47
spiderfireCS?00:48
GilouComputer Science00:48
Exilanth3sp4wn: i'm not really familiar, maybe you're right and it reads everything and tries it at least, and defaults if it fails00:48
h3sp4wnWell I had to use "Ignore EDID" "1"00:50
h3sp4wn(never needed that before) so - DisplaySize     245 185 could work00:50
agroker_I have problems with configuring wifi under ndiswrapper, is there any howto?00:51
* r0bby googles 00:51
justdave_My sound quit working via ALSA after yesterday's kernel upgrade in hardy.  If I pick the device directly instead of via ALSA in the Sounds control panel the Test button works, but normal sound playback from elsewhere still doesn't.  Anyone know where I should look to troubleshoot?00:52
Gnine!ndiswrapper00:52
ubotuWireless documentation can be found at https://help.ubuntu.com/community/WifiDocs00:52
agroker_I mostly interested in editing /etc/network/interfaces file (it seems to be screwed)00:52
AmyRosejustdave_: I've quit on ALSA... I prefer OSS these days since it's GPLed now00:52
justdave_AmyRose: sounds good enough for me, how do I make it switch?00:54
AmyRosejustdave_: http://www.opensound.com/download.cgi00:54
h3sp4wnAmyRose: Its getting better by the day as well00:55
AmyRoseh3sp4wn: OSS or ALSA?00:55
h3sp4wnOSS00:55
justdave_AmyRose: isn't it installed already?  just have to poke a config somewhere to tell it to use it?00:55
justdave_It's listed as a choice in the Sound set up, but it doesn't seem to work either if I pick it00:55
h3sp4wnThe old OSS and OSS4 are 2 very different things00:56
crimsunno, it's a bit more complicated to set up the Debian/Ubuntu way00:56
* r0bby throws his external monitor out the window 00:57
crimsunhowever, the bits are all there.  You need to reconfigure linux-sound-base to use OSS00:57
crimsunI'll just push my actual source package upstream so they can stop clobbering our infrastructure00:57
Gnineoptional: yes , recommended: not00:57
h3sp4wncrimsun: So you have rewritten that build system completely ?00:59
crimsunh3sp4wn: I've properly Debianised it, yes00:59
crimsunthese alienised debs are pretty gruesome00:59
r0bbyPlease don't give me a factoid; have any of you had any luck in getting the dell inspiron 6000 to use dual heads?00:59
r0bbyOf course i'm using Hardy01:00
Gnine!factoid01:02
ubotuI am ubotu, all-knowing infobot. You can browse my brain at http://ubotu.ubuntu-nl.org/factoids.cgi - Usage info: http://wiki.ubuntu.com/UbuntuBots01:02
* r0bby smacks Gnine 01:02
r0bbyI was asking if anybody had any luck, as in personal experience01:03
DaCapn_Has anyone else had trouble getting 8.04 (beta) recognize their keyboard? I have 3 keyboards which I have tried in different combinations & ports but the only thing I've ever been able to do with them is (sometimes) ctrl+alt+del to reboot from the install menu (I can't select install, arrow keys & enter do nothing).01:03
justdave_ok, I rebooted back into the old kernel and everything works01:03
r0bbymine works great :)01:04
DaCapn_All of these keyboard worked fine with the 7.10 install disc, by the way.01:05
Gninetry different install disk01:06
bhsx ok, it's been years since i've done this... so i've forgotten how and google is not being very nice... how do i start a second X-session on F8 again?  i remember it has something to do with ':01' appended or somesuch...01:06
bhsxi'm trying to start a full X-session over ssh in F801:06
SpudDoggDoes anyone know how to get WPA working with an ipw3945?  I keep getting this error in /var/log/syslog:   [  321.057422] wlan0 (WE) : Wireless Event too big (320) and no matter what I try, I cannot connect to my network01:09
AmyRose!factoid | r0bby01:10
ubotur0bby: I am ubotu, all-knowing infobot. You can browse my brain at http://ubotu.ubuntu-nl.org/factoids.cgi - Usage info: http://wiki.ubuntu.com/UbuntuBots01:10
AmyRose:)01:10
r0bbyAmyRose: no fair! I can't hit a woman!01:10
m1rbhsx : startx -- :101:11
bhsxSpudDogg: yes, what are you using to connect?01:11
AmyRoser0bby: :D01:11
h3sp4wncrimsun: Agreed - Is there anywhere the plans for this are layed out (Is there a non hacky way to get pulseaudio working with the new api)01:11
* Gnine smacks AmyRose 01:11
bhsxm1r: yeah, that doesn't work... that's the one i remember01:11
SpudDoggbhsx:  intel 3945 abg01:11
SpudDoggnetwork manager01:11
* AmyRose beats Gnine senseless with a 50 lb Unix manual01:11
bhsxSpudDogg: i mean what app... oh01:11
bhsxdo this first...  'sudo apt-get install wifi-radar'01:11
Gninehefty01:11
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m1rbhsx bhsx i just started iit that way01:12
bhsxSpudDogg: did you do a dist-upgrade?  or are you pretty much still working from the beta cd?01:12
crimsunh3sp4wn: TB plans to remain with ALSA, because it remains maintained in-kernel.01:12
AmyRoseALSA is a piece of junk though01:12
bhsxm1r: from a running x session?01:12
SpudDoggbhsx: wifi-radar done.  i installed from a cd, but have done all the updates a few times a day01:12
crimsunAmyRose: err, I wouldn't call it a piece of junk.  Difficult to use, yes.01:13
m1ron tty 301:13
bhsxSpudDogg: run wifi-radar to add your passwords/keys01:13
crimsunAmyRose: there are parts that are extremely nice, and there are parts that are extremely not-nice.01:13
AmyRosecrimsun: What else would I call a driver that suddenly refused to work with my laptop's built-in AC97 when OSS v4 works fine with it?01:13
crimsunAmyRose: frankly I don't care what you call it.  You're free to call it whatever.01:13
crimsunOn the other hand, there are those of us who really do care about the audio stack, and whatever can be done to make the backend transparent to the user is a bonus.01:14
penWhat's good abotu wifi-radar?01:14
r0bbywhoa01:14
r0bbyhttp://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=367261&highlight=dell+inspiron+6000+dual+head+Set+VBE+Mode+failed!01:14
bhsxm1r: thanks... i was skipping a space betwee -- and :01:14
bhsxi kept using startx --:101:14
m1r;)01:14
bhsxsilly me, bad memory01:14
r0bbyAmyRose: would you mind if i smack you?01:14
* AmyRose just wonders why many people say the OSS API is deprecated...01:14
r0bbysmacked*01:15
bhsxbut like i said, it's been YEARS since i've tried that01:15
r0bbyI'm being nice here :)01:15
* AmyRose smacks r0bby with a giant hammer01:15
m1rgn all01:15
bhsxlater01:15
AmyRoseAnyone who knows who the Amy Rose I'm named after is will get that one :D01:15
* r0bby can't hit back...oh screw it *smacks AmyRose* 01:15
PaulMspuddog: for what it's worth, my 3945abg is working, but with a problem earlier01:15
* r0bby runs FAST V01:16
Gninei use ac97 with alsa..01:16
crimsunh3sp4wn: that said, I'll be maintaining a switchable system so users can opt-in to whichever backend in Linux [out of OSSv4 and ALSA] that they want01:16
h3sp4wncrimsun: I ran out of patience with ice1712/ice1724 it was just never right01:16
SpudDoggbhsx:  that's done, and it says connected but no ip address01:17
crimsunI prefer to make things work instead of getting involved in the propaganda.  Anyhoo, it's dinner time.01:17
mc-georgecrimsun: I tried the live cd, still have the problem01:18
bhsxSpudDogg: bah...  k, i know this is lame... but now that wifi-radar is set, try a reboot (i know, i know, lame)01:18
Gninei also have pulseaudio running the show on top of alsa .. so it seems your just being xtremely prejudicial , AmyRose01:18
bhsxSpudDogg: you on a thinkpad?01:18
crimsunmc-george: thanks.  Please file a bug, and attach the alsa-info.sh URL when using the latest daily-live cd01:18
SpudDoggbhsx:  no, im on a toshiba01:18
bhsxah ok01:18
bhsxi did have some issues with my iwl3945 at first too....01:19
mc-georgecrimsun: just a note that its much less noticeable, almost tolerable, so I'm not sure if I should make a bug01:19
SpudDoggbhsx:  hey, wifi-radar also says that my network is 802.11B, but it is definately G01:19
PaulMbhsx: you on a thinkpad? I had a screwy problem earlier today where it went to sleep and wouldn't re-associate for th elife of me01:19
SpudDoggbhsx:  anyway, rebooting01:19
bhsxbut it seemed to fix itself....    for me nm-applet sucked... i had to use W-R til things seemed to fix themselves...01:19
AmyRoseGnine: Pulseaudio is an abstraction layer for GNOME. It is not a driver.01:19
Gnineand..?01:19
bhsxSpudDogg: GL01:20
PaulMyeah... nm-applet seems like it's somewhat less than ideally designed01:20
bhsxPaulM: that hasn't happened to me, sorry01:20
bhsxi'm on a t6001:20
AmyRoseGnine: I don't use GNOME, and even if I did, PulseAudio isn't going to make ALSA work with my laptop again...01:20
PaulMI'm on an x61... love the machine, love linux on it, but teh little things are driving me batty01:20
Gninegood thing there are options so you can do your thing there01:21
bhsxit took me a while to get used to linux on it, simply because of all the function keys that i hadn't used before, but found i really needed to use them for tweaking my environment01:21
bhsxbut i'm loving hardy01:21
PaulMyeah. I've got a really nice set of keys set up for use with compiz01:21
PaulMme one largest complaint so far01:22
AmyRoseGnine: Also, in the four years I've been using Linux as my only OS, ALSA's given me a LOT of problems, from API compatibility issues to buggy drivers to dmix not working properly.01:22
bhsxok, i got the whole 'startx -- :1' thing down.... now how do i accomplish that through an SSH session???01:22
PaulMis that it's well-nigh impossible to un-link the hotkey+dragtomove from the hotkey+openwindowmenu01:22
Gninei dont have issues..01:22
h3sp4wnAmyRose: It also gave me problems but I think if I had bought RME cards then I would have been fine01:23
AmyRoseGnine: Does your experience make my problems nonexistent? No.01:23
bhsxdo i have to do something like 'ssh me@box' then do 'startx -- 192.168.1.135 :1'?  nope... any ideas?01:23
AmyRoseGnine: So why do you keep treating me that way?01:23
* Gnine showers AmyRose with.. hmm.. roses01:23
h3sp4wnI have got an emu 0404 now that should work actually with Alsa wonder what that is like01:24
AmyRoseGnine: I'm not saying it's impossible to not have a single problem with ALSA, just that my experiences with it are why I have the negative opinion of it that I have, not because I'm being prejudicial01:24
Gnineduly noted01:25
r0bbyYES!01:25
r0bbyi got it!01:25
r0bby:)01:26
chicobo329hey there! I got a video problem with my laptop01:26
* r0bby dances01:26
jaffarkelshaci think the new kernel update messed with my lcd brightness, i cant adjust it now. could not in gutsy too01:26
chicobo329I have an Nvidia GeForce 6150, and even though I can enable it, it disables after restart and Ubuntu enters low graphics mode01:26
PaulMjaffarkelshac: what are you running? the newest update actually FIXED mine01:27
chicobo329when I test my monitor settings (it's the Pavilion M40 display), it shows just fine01:27
chicobo329but starting Ubuntu forces me into 800x600 with no option anywhere to change the monitor type01:27
AmyRoseGnine: OK01:27
chicobo329is there a compatibility issue with my graphics card?01:29
jaffarkelshacwhat, PaulM it messed up mine. i am running amilo li170501:29
Meshezabeelthe Braid screensaver is always freezing on me, can anyone else confirm this?01:29
SpudDoggbhsx:  ok, I rebooted and played around some more.  Here is the output when I run wifi-radar and try to connect to my network:  http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/62087/01:29
PaulMjaffarkelshac: hrm. wish I could help ya... :/ don't know what it did... is it a keybinding problem, or an inherent system rpoblem?01:30
SpudDoggbhsx:  lines 3 and 21 I think are important01:30
MeshezabeelBraid is one of the default screen savers that comes with hardy01:30
h3sp4wnAmyRose: Should get even better now Sun is paying for its development (for gnome anyway)01:31
Gnineyou got a link for that statement, h3sp4wn01:31
jaffarkelshaci think its s system problem PaulM, the applet bright thing does not work either01:32
PaulMhmm01:32
jaffarkelshaci will boot the older kernel to be sure01:32
PaulMin my case, the brightness problem was somewhat caused by keybindings, so it sounds like something new01:32
PaulMor different, at least01:32
NW2190Hi, i just installed Ubuntu Studio 8.04 beta on my comp, but it keeps freezing on startup after/during checking the file system... is there a way to bypassing that?01:33
jaffarkelshacbefore to adust brightness i had to do it whilst it was booting in grub01:33
PaulMooh01:33
sliptteeshttp://gnome-look.org/content/show.php/Clearlooks+-+Another+Human?content=31594 = very cool01:33
MeshezabeelNW2190, you sure it is freezing? Sometimes it might take a little while01:34
PaulMjaffarkelshac: so it sounds like you've never really had control over it in ubuntu? is it now resetting to dim when you get into the system?01:34
Meshezabeeljaffarkelshac, is this a laptop?01:34
NW2190ya, well it lets me type and stuff as if it is done.  It also said something along the lines of 'unexpected inconsistency'01:35
h3sp4wnGnine: http://www.opensolaris.org/os/project/opensound/discussions/ - I think the exact quote is somewhere on the 4front site but I cannot find it either way Sun is paying for it01:35
MeshezabeelNW2190, if you can type, it is not frozen, find out what the exact error message says and let us know01:36
Gninety01:36
NW2190ok, I'll go try it again without -quiet and all that.01:36
Gninewell.. you are right.. i dont see such info01:36
MeshezabeelPaulM, jaffarkelshac, not sure what problem this is, but when I have my power management set to dim screen after a minute, it only dims partially, then when I move my mouse or keyboard it dims completely, I then have to use Fn+F6 to increase it manually.01:37
shadowhywindhay all, ever since the april fools (login screen) prank. I can't change the login back to what I had. its not defaulting to a blue background01:37
PaulMMeshezabeel: that's very odd. never seen that before01:37
a1faso when is stable due?01:38
chicobo32921 days I think01:38
Meshezabeelshadowhywind, there was an april fools login screen???01:38
Meshezabeelalfa, it tells you on the main ubuntu page01:38
PaulMmeh, if it's that soon, there's still a bunch of things borked for me :/01:38
Dr_willisYou missed the PORN login screen? :)01:38
shadowhywindMeshezabeel: yah, changed to a unicorn background picture01:38
a1faIT SURE DOES01:38
a1fa:p01:38
Meshezabeela1fa, there is a countdown on there01:39
a1fasorry01:39
Gninelogin screen is not blue either01:39
a1fai missed it01:39
Meshezabeela1fa, no problem ;)01:39
chicobo329anybody want to tackle my Nvidia problem?01:39
a1fai am downloading beta of xubuntu01:39
Meshezabeelshadowhywind, cool, I never saw it, must not have updated that day01:39
shadowhywindI do have a pic if you want to see01:39
Meshezabeelchicobo329, sorry, I don't know how to solve it, seems to complex of a problem for me01:40
Meshezabeelshadowhywind, sure01:40
shadowhywindDr_willis: so any ideas on how to change the login? tried KDM01:40
chicobo329is there any way I can at least get the Screens and Monitors option back up? It's missing from the menus up top01:40
shadowhywindanyone know of a photo bucket, like pastebin?01:40
Meshezabeelshadowhywind, http://img146.imageshack.us/my.php?image=schermata1pq5.png01:41
Meshezabeelshadowhywind, found it ;)01:41
shadowhywindnice01:41
Meshezabeelnice picture01:41
shadowhywindit is, other then I am hoping thats just a bad line on the back leg...01:42
Meshezabeelhmmm01:42
Gninesckus01:43
Meshezabeelshadowhywind, weird, I am trying to look at how to change the login window, when I go to System->Administration->Login Window, it doesn't come up for me, can you open it?01:44
Daisuke_Idoi must say, i'm loving hardy so far...  except for the teensy little problems01:45
lamalexDaisuke_Ido: same01:45
Gnineit IS beta01:45
lamalexEverything outputs via my sound card/surround sound except rhythmbox01:45
shadowhywindrunning kubuntu actraully, But what i am looking to change is the theme, (kdm/gdm)01:46
Daisuke_Ido1) wifi dies completely when i suspend/resume.  2) half the time when i resume, i have no keyboard or touchpad, so hard reboot there.  3) when it DOES work, i still have no sound upon resume01:46
Gnineif god knew how to program then we'd have faster progress01:46
lamalexgod would have to be real then :P01:46
Gnineor something01:46
Daisuke_IdoGnine, i have to differ with you on that.  have you ever noticed that the people who most fervently believe in god/intelligent design are the ones that look the least evolved?01:46
crimsunDaisuke_Ido: 1) probably need to regenerate the rules.  2) nfi.  3) where in the audio stack?  alsa?  pulseaudio?01:47
Meshezabeellamalex, oh, he definitely is01:47
Daisuke_Idojust an observation01:47
lamalex*zing*01:47
IdleOnehow do you explain easter then? huh huh01:47
lamalexGuys, this is pretty off-topic.01:47
shadowhywindbrb'01:47
lamalexSorry for egging it on, we can continue in #ubuntu-offtopic if we wish01:47
Daisuke_Idocrimsun, i can get sound back on by sudo modprobe -r snd_hda_intel && sudo modprobe snd_hda_intel01:47
GnineDaisuke_Ido: i want god himself to program.. different bowl of soup01:47
Meshezabeelplease don't offend lamalex anymore people01:48
IdleOnelamalex: actually no we cant because it would be o4o in -offtopic01:48
lamalexo4o?01:48
DarkMageZGnine, no need for god to program... we just need some real programmers to start working in assembly again.01:48
IdleOne!o4o01:48
ubotuSome things are inappropriate for #ubuntu+1. Controversial topics, which always turn into flame wars: war, race, religion, politics, gender, sexuality, drugs, questionable legal activities, suicide are not for here. Microsoft software in ##windows (Please note Freenode Policy)01:48
lamalexMeshezabeel: ?01:48
lamalexah01:48
Daisuke_IdoDarkMageZ, optimization over ease of development.  i like01:48
lamalexI'm not offended by anything really01:48
Meshezabeellamalex, sorry, you seemed to be offended by talk of God01:49
sliptteesfirefox beta5 hardy update ?01:49
lamalexMeshezabeel: nope01:49
crimsunslipttees: in progress.  Please be patient.01:49
teamcobrahey all01:49
Meshezabeellamalex, oh well, lol :)01:49
crimsungeez, foaming at the mouth ;p01:49
sliptteescrimsun: thx man :-)01:49
lamalexI enjoy talking about god, it's just not the point of this channel, I wanted to take it to -offtopic, but it's against the rules :)01:50
Daisuke_Idocrimsun, you said something about regenerating rules for network?01:50
_derspanksteris this the hardy forum?01:50
PiciActuall, its not really welcome in #ubuntu-offtopic either.01:50
Pici_derspankster: yes01:50
DarkMageZtake it to #ubuntu-offtopic4offtopic01:50
_derspankstercouldn't tell. thought I was broke01:50
lamalexah01:50
crimsunDaisuke_Ido: depends on the wifi chipset.01:51
Daisuke_Idointel 496501:51
Daisuke_Idothis is a dellbuntu :)  1420n01:51
crimsunDaisuke_Ido: ok, are you running -14.25?01:52
crimsun(linux-image)01:52
Daisuke_Idoithat is a good question...  i just updated a few hours ago...  let me go find out01:52
DarkMageZwtf @ the term dellbuntu... we don't call dells with windows on them delldows...01:52
Gninethe wonders of marketing01:53
MeshezabeelDaisuke_Ido, I have same chipset with no problems using basic hardy01:53
Daisuke_Laptop24-14, but that's all i'm seeing01:53
icanhasadminWhy does it seem like there are 100 updates a day?01:54
Gnineyou mean 8.04 home basic edition..01:54
Daisuke_Laptopicanhasadmin: because there are01:54
icanhasadmin:D and does anyone happen to know what version this new fglrx driver is?01:54
_derspanksteranyone else noticing java broken on FF3 beta4?01:54
crimsunDaisuke_Laptop: `cat /proc/version_signature'01:54
icanhasadminmy old one is very well configured to not crash horribly and i'm hoping this doesn't kill it.01:54
Daisuke_Laptop-14.2501:55
Daisuke_Laptopso yeah, i'm up to date01:55
crimsunDaisuke_Laptop: ok, and is l-b-m installed?01:55
Daisuke_Laptoplinux-backports-modules?01:56
crimsun[linux-backports-modules-$(uname -r)]01:56
Meshezabeel_derspankster, is that Final Fantasy 3?01:56
Ava-hey is compiz buggy for anyone else with their hardy install?01:56
Daisuke_Laptopshould be able to install the hardy generic, correct?  (assuming it's a metapackage)01:56
_derspanksterFurFox 301:56
Ava-when my windows snap to top, the right upper corner bounces up and down non stop01:57
PaulMI turned off snapping a while ago, so I don't knwo01:57
Meshezabeel_derspankster, haven't had a problem with it, there is a problem with java apps and compiz though01:57
Ava-;)01:57
Daisuke_LaptopAva-: that's been happening since feisty01:57
Daisuke_Laptopnothing new :)01:57
Ava-oh really?01:57
Ava-:)01:57
icanhasadminAva-: describe buggy?01:57
Ava-ican: I did01:57
Ava-hehe01:57
_derspanksterMeshezabeel:not running compiz01:58
icanhasadminAva-: and #compiz-fusion might be able to help you with anything specific?01:58
Gnineshe did01:58
icanhasadminoh iy see, lol i'm sorry01:58
Ava-hehehe01:58
Ava-that's ok01:58
Ava-:)01:58
Gnineyoucanthaveadmin now01:58
Daisuke_Laptopcrimsun: apparently they were not installed.01:58
Ava-i'll just the snapping01:58
Meshezabeel_derspankster, compiz runs by default, so are you sure it is not running?01:58
crimsunDaisuke_Laptop: they shouldn't be by default01:58
Ava-is that under beryl manager?01:58
icanhasadminI have honestly never heard of that specific issue...01:58
crimsunDaisuke_Laptop: one needs to opt-in, because they're not well tested01:58
icanhasadminAva-: it would be in ccsm01:58
Ava-oh okay thank you much01:59
_derspanksterI'm on my laptop and my poor SIS card can't handle compiz01:59
Ava-=(01:59
Daisuke_Laptopcrimsun: installed now01:59
icanhasadmin_derspankster: what card?01:59
Daisuke_Laptopcrimsun: thanks for the help, hopefully this helps some02:01
_derspanksterI'll have to check02:01
a1fa5 min left to download8.04 :P02:02
MFenanyone know how to shut off the internet? :-)02:03
a1fai am going to try it on 233 mhz pc :P02:03
MFenthis is a serious question02:03
r0bbyhrm02:03
r0bbydual monitors work02:03
h3sp4wnMFen: Explosives in the right place ?02:03
MFeni don't have a wireless radio switch on my laptop (macbook pro) and i'd like to be able to shut off my wireless connection02:03
MFendoesn't seem to be a simple way to do that02:03
Dr_willisyou could unload the module.02:04
MFenyeah, but i would put that in the "not simple" column. i thought one of the applets would have the option, but no02:04
h3sp4wnYou can until enable wireless in networkmanager02:04
Gilouis there something to do to have the hibernate thing work on ubuntu?02:04
Dr_willisi was thinkng the kde network manager turned mine off, at least is see the blue light go on/off02:04
Dr_willisnot sure about gnomes stuff02:04
MFenyeah, using gnome02:05
Dr_willisGilou,  i think you need as much swap as you have ram. for one thing.,02:05
Gilousleep mode works, but hibernate seems to require more than just hitting the button02:05
h3sp4wnright click02:05
Gilouyeah that's OK02:05
h3sp4wn(untick enable wireless02:05
MFenh3sp4wn: oh heck, why did i not try right click02:05
MFenthanks, that'll be the trick02:05
h3sp4wnMFen: I think I would still prefer a script02:06
h3sp4wnIf I wanted to do that02:06
MFenh3sp4wn: i already wrote my own script, but i would rather do it from the gui02:06
h3sp4wnthe people doing the backported drivers with mac80211 have it working flawlessly02:07
MFenh3sp4wn: hmm, i'm using madwifi now02:08
MFenit basically works, any advantages to mac80211?02:08
h3sp4wnWell now you mention it with ath5k I appear to get much better signal strength02:08
h3sp4wnThe only problem is I cannot connect to channel 13 and as that is what my network is on its not much use to me02:09
conformeris anyone else having to run on low graphics mode right now?02:09
MFeni'm not using  ath5k02:09
Dr_willisconformer,  not here.02:09
h3sp4wnMFen: ath5k is the mac80211 version of madwifi02:10
h3sp4wnMFen: Going to be added to 2.6.2502:10
MFenconformer: nvidia card or something? did you recently take a kernel update?02:10
conformerthe update yesterday messed up something, and i was hoping theyd fix it by today02:10
conformeryes02:10
MFenh3sp4wn: cool. any chance that'll be in official hardy?02:10
justdave_there was a kernel update yesterday that screwed the nvidia drivers02:10
justdave_it was fixed this morning02:10
icanhasadminhey is OOo suppose to not be broken anymore?02:10
MFenyou need the restricted modules package i think02:10
h3sp4wnMFen: I doubt it02:11
conformerthey fixed it?02:11
justdave_my cron job didn't pick up the new packages yet, I had to go to Synaptic and manually reload them02:11
conformeri just updated, and its still messed up02:11
icanhasadmincalc: i suppose that q was for you02:11
justdave_but the sound is screwed on -1402:11
justdave_I had to switch back to -12 to get my sound back02:11
a1fa1s left02:11
a1fadamn it02:11
justdave_I think -13 is the one that messed up the nvidia drivers02:12
Cabooseis CCSM in the beta?02:12
MFen-13 didn't even have a restricted drivers package afaict02:13
billisnicewelcome to the  JuNgLe!02:13
justdave_yeah, I think that's what the problem was actually02:13
h3sp4wnYeah don't understand how people get these issues02:13
justdave_the restricted drivers package was missing02:13
h3sp4wnDoes the gui update manager just not do anything to try to stop you breaking your system02:14
MFenh3sp4wn: actually it asks you very nicely if you would like to always break your system02:14
MFenh3sp4wn: "[] always run in low-graphics mode? you cretin? haha sucker"02:14
h3sp4wnAptitude didn't even ask just worked out that it would be pointles02:14
justdave_restricted-drivers depends on the kernel of the same version02:15
justdave_but your old kernel doesn't get removed when it upgrades the kernel02:15
justdave_in case you have to revert back to it02:15
MFenanyone know what version of ff will ship with hardy?02:15
justdave_so it happily upgraded to the new kernel, it just didn't update the restricted drivers02:15
MFensure seems like firefox 3 is gonna be it, but they're not going to release before hardy does02:15
justdave_(because there wasn't an update for it)02:15
justdave_IIRC Firefox 2 came out just after an Ubuntu release02:16
justdave_and they shipped with 2.0b3 or something02:16
h3sp4wnjustdave_: The only way that would work is if it broke linux-generic etc02:16
justdave_then updated to the final 2.0 a couple weeks later02:16
MFenhuh02:16
MFenwell, ok02:16
ethana3you know you have too much time on your hands when you show up on an irc channel and google fight your nick against everyone in it.02:16
Gilouindeed02:16
icanhasadminethana3: thats.. unneccesary.02:16
conformerso no one else is have an nvidia problem anymore?02:16
Gilouwhat is the default key to call the scaler in compiz ?02:17
ethana3icanhasadmin: yes..02:17
Gilouand how can we set compiz keys in gnome?02:17
justdave_conformer: the nvidia stuff is working for me in both -12 and -1402:17
MFenconformer: i was able to upgrade to -14 with my nvidia card yesterday night-ish02:17
justdave_but I'm still using -12 because my sound doesn't work in -1402:17
Fritzelhey guys question, I'm doing a complete reinstall at this point and I'm about to download an image, my question is, even though the webpage says it's not released yet, is Hardy stable enough to use at this point? I know a few months ago Dolphin had some troubles02:17
savvasGilou: sudo aptitude install compizconfig-settings-manager02:17
conformerafter the update, did it just start working again? or did you have to do something02:17
Gilousavvas> there is no way to do it "the gnome way" ?02:18
mneptokFritzel: a development release is never really stable02:18
Fritzelmneptok: I understand that02:18
Fritzelmneptok: but is it functional?02:18
h3sp4wnFritzel: Recently its been worse than throughout the cycle for me02:18
mneptokFritzel: is what functional? my wireless chipset? today, yes. yesterday, not so much.02:18
savvasGilou: uh.. gilou that's a package for graphical interface, buttons and great if i may add02:18
icanhasadminwhy do people use aptitude? they say it cleans up better but apt-get --purge does the same thing.02:18
PaulMFritzel: it's wo rked functinoally for me02:18
conformeralso, this is probably a noob question, but what is -12 and -1402:18
icanhasadminconformer: ending of the kernel version02:19
conformeroh got it02:19
justdave_synaptic will auto-clean, too02:19
MFenconformer: run "uname -r" to see yours02:19
justdave_aptitude was just the first thing to have that feature02:19
justdave_the others all picked it up later02:19
Gilouah right savvas02:19
Gilouok :)02:19
Gilouthanks02:19
justdave_the early adopters are just stuck to it :)02:19
savvasn/p :)02:19
icanhasadminif anyone is interested, fglrx is borked in 12 and works fine in 1402:19
Fritzel-nod- alright, well I'll give it a shot I'm addicted to new and shiny thanks for your input ^^02:19
h3sp4wnicanhasadmin: Well a simple example is not upgrading the kernel before the restricted modules exist02:19
conformermine is -1402:19
conformershould i change it?02:20
IdleOne conformer you having issues with that kernel?02:21
MFenconformer: what does dpkg -l "linux-restricted-modules*" show you? you should have one for your kernel version02:21
calcicanhasadmin: yea OOo is fixed afaik02:21
MFenconformer: if you do, it means you probably checked that stupid checkbox that says "always run in low graphics mode", and your xorg.conf got moved away02:21
h3sp4wnjustdave_: It took a long time for aptitude to get as good as it is02:21
calcicanhasadmin: if there are problems it is likely due to out of date mirrors02:21
justdave_aptitude is what you use when you want the ease-of-use of synaptic and you don't have a GUI02:22
icanhasadmincalc: i see. kk02:22
h3sp4wnAnd its mathematically sound the way it works02:22
calcicanhasadmin: if it isn't due to out of date mirror then feel free to open a bug with details :)02:22
h3sp4wnI haven't seen any of the others provide such evidence02:22
icanhasadminjustdave_: how is aptitude any easier than apt-get? i've never had issues02:23
icanhasadmincalc: seems ok now, was an odd hang during update :)02:23
justdave_icanhasadmin: visual package lists, searching, etc02:23
conformeri have a linux-restrict 2.6.24.14.1602:23
MFenicanhasadmin: easier to type02:23
Dr_willisi tend to avoide aptitude.. :)  it wanted to remove 200+ packages once.. then reisntalled them right afterwards..02:23
justdave_icanhasadmin: and not having to remember all the command line options for apt-get02:23
Dr_willisbut other then that. ive had no issues with it.02:23
Flanneljustdave_: aptitude also has a CLI version02:23
justdave_unless you have the man page memorized it's generally easier to pick things off a menu :)02:23
conformerand i dont think i have the box checked, cause everytime i boot up it asks me to run in low graphics moed02:24
savvasaptitude is great if you know how to use it ;p02:24
icanhasadminWell... no offense, but i've used ubuntu for about 3 months. I didn't find the apt-get commands hard to remember.02:24
MFenaptitude used to be called dselect. it has the same awful interface afaict.02:24
icanhasadminok sorry, i'm probabaly wrong. i was actually asking a question :D02:24
tomahasamootjustdave_: speaking of aptitude, it looked bad when I used it in 8.10... the consol font doesn't have the box drawing charicters in it.02:24
h3sp4wnNo it didn't they are 2 different programs02:24
Fritzelbeing that I don't have a working burner, is it possible to mount the iso image and install off the image?02:24
MFentomahasamoot: 8.10? are you from the future?02:24
h3sp4wnAnd dselect does have it uses02:24
calcicanhasadmin: ok02:25
tomahasamootMFen: sorry, I meant 8.0402:25
MFenok, so you're only from the near future02:25
IdleOnethe 8 and 7 keys arent so close that it would be possible to typo02:25
MFenwho wins the pennsylvania primary?02:25
MFeni'm totally gonna bet on this02:25
savvashm i wonder.. if someone made a clone of apt-get or aptitude written in c++, would it still work if libc6 was broken?02:25
IdleOne#politics02:25
MFenIdleOne: it was a time-travel joke02:26
justdave_if it were statically linked, sure02:26
icanhasadmini did an update before that took so long, by the time it was done, there were more updates available02:26
IdleOneMFen: heh I get it.02:26
linkinxpHi!02:27
Gnineanyone having issues with compiz on a ibm rs/6000 sp202:27
oreni got no frames in any window!02:27
h3sp4wnsavvas: A slightly malfunctioning perl is much worse for aptitude02:27
icanhasadminGnine: what's "sp2"?02:28
Gnineyoucanthasadmin... no02:29
MFenok you people are distracting me02:29
icanhasadminGnine: it's no?02:29
MFenwhich is what i was trying to avoid when i came in here to ask how to turn off my internets02:29
icanhasadminMFen: shutdown now02:29
h3sp4wnI wonder if there is a way I an get compiz working with my XVR-100002:30
h3sp4wnI think it might work properly with that02:30
jaffarkelshachas the new kernal messed up anyones lcd brightness control?02:30
oreni don't see any frame to any application...anyone?02:31
Gninesun dont make those anymore , h3sp4wn02:32
Daisuke_Laptopnvidia doesn't make geforce 4's anymore either, but you can still run compiz on them :P02:32
h3sp4wnGnine: I wouldn't pay £3500 for a video card (thats the list price)02:33
Gninedo you get frames if you do    metacity --replace   oren02:33
jaffarkelshacwhat graphics card is that expensive02:33
Daisuke_Laptopjaffarkelshac: that one :)02:33
h3sp4wnIts loads better than the quadro 1600m in my laptop02:33
orenGnine: let me try02:33
jaffarkelshacwhat is02:34
jaffarkelshacwhat is called02:34
orenGnine: i can't see anything when i open terminal02:34
jaffarkelshachas the new kernal messed up anyones lcd brightness control?02:34
orenGnine: as if the fonts are transparent..02:34
orenGnine: i'll try it from F2?02:35
a1fa32% installed on 233mhz MX pc02:35
a1fa:p02:35
orenGnine: alt+F202:35
Gninedo that02:35
orenGnine: to run the command u mentioned02:36
Gninea pocket calc has more cpu power , a102:36
livingtmI just installed todays updates and lost my ipw3945 wireless02:36
Gnineyes.. do metacity --replace from alt-f202:36
jaffarkelshaci have lost lcd brightness control02:36
h3sp4wnlivingtm: Is the firmware there ?02:36
livingtmh3sp4wn, where can i find that02:37
brokenHey guys I have an issue, I upgraded to hardy heron and everything was pretty smooth and everthing worked however now.. what is happening is I will double click on an app, or try to start the  update manager it pops up in the bottom as its loading then it just dies, I can't open any app.02:37
h3sp4wnib/firmware/`uname -r`02:37
orenGnine: it worked...what's the magic?02:37
livingtmib?02:38
Gninethat command unloaded compiz ..02:38
h3sp4wnlib02:38
brokenAny idea what could be causing this?02:38
adelie42hello. sorry, I can't find any kind of X11 chatroom, but got a dev question. is there a way to `export DISPLAY=$namedpipe`02:38
h3sp4wnlivingtm: Sorry I had loads of lag so couldn't see what I was typing)02:38
Gninehence.. you have a compiz issue , oren02:38
livingtmno problem02:38
livingtmh3sp4wn, doesnt look like it is02:38
h3sp4wnlivingtm: Is there nothing in that directory ?02:39
livingtmh3sp4wn, not exactly what it would be called. there is lots of dvb-usb* in there02:39
Gninebut metacity will do just fine if you can live without the eyecandy, til you fix compiz, oren02:39
h3sp4wnsudo cp ../2.6.24-13-generic/iwlwifi\* .02:40
icanhasadmin#compiz-fusion for help with compiz02:40
adelie42what I really want to do is make a youtube playlist powered mediacenter that used prebuild youtube/imeem playlist, and dump the X11 data.02:40
orenGnine: ok. it seems like it changed my settings to basic view.02:40
Gnineyup02:40
livingtmh3sp4wn, how aqbou t2.6.24-12?02:41
h3sp4wnlivingtm: Yeah that will be fine02:41
h3sp4wnlivingtm: then - restart udev02:41
h3sp4wnor reboot02:41
Fritzelcan you mount an iso with the mount command?02:42
icanhasadminFritzel: apparently yes, just found that out yesterday02:42
Fritzeldo you happen to remember how? or have a link to the info?02:42
_derspanksterMeshezabeel: my SIS card is SG86C20202:43
icanhasadminmount filename.iso to /mnt/iso ?02:43
livingtmh3sp4wn, that copied about 6 files ending in .ucode... no .fw02:43
Meshezabeel_derspankster, that wasn't me that asked ;)02:43
Meshezabeel_derspankster, I don't know my SIS cards02:44
Fritzelsomething like that yeah, I don't have a burner so I need to install another way, that's my solution, if it works02:44
icanhasadminor maybe "mount -o loop -t iso9660 file.iso /mnt/test", i don't know, google :)02:44
_derspanksterMeschezabeel: sorry, thought you were the one that asked02:44
Flannel!iso02:44
ubotuTo mount an ISO disc image, type « sudo mount -o loop <ISO-filename> <mountpoint> » - There is a list of useful cd image conversion tools at http://wiki.linuxquestions.org/wiki/CD_Image_Conversion - Always verify the ISO using !MD5 before !burning.02:45
Meshezabeel_derspankster, np ;)02:45
Fritzelnm I'll just extract it and hope my memory holds up02:45
brokenAnyone can give me a hand? No app loads in ubuntu it looks as if its loading then dies... I can't start anything help please.02:45
Dr_willisbroken,  can you get a terminalup and going?02:46
brokenNo.02:46
brokenI tried running stuff after doing ctrl+alt+f1 but it says it requires a display to which I put DISPLAY=:0.002:46
brokenStill no luck.02:46
Dr_willisbroken,  export DISPLAY=whatever02:47
jaffarkelshacbroken, i got that ones, but a reboot fixed it. i add system monitor how to panel. at least it let me know pc iat 100%02:48
Dr_willisbut you might need to 'xhost +localhost' befor that.02:48
Dr_willisbroken,  so you get what in X exactly? just a blank screen?02:48
brokenNo I get the entire desktop02:48
brokenEverything is as it should be.02:48
brokenBut I can't open anything.02:49
jaffarkelshacDr_willis, i know what he gets, every looks fine, but cant open or start any programs or terminal02:49
h3sp4wnexcept everything is segfaulting all the time ?02:49
livingtmh3sp4wn, no luck.. also lost audio02:49
brokenThis was just after an upgrade + reboot.02:49
brokenNot a distro upgrade, just 207 packages or so.02:49
h3sp4wnlivingtm: Well just boot the old kernel then for now02:49
jaffarkelshaci think something is running at 100% and nothings gets opened02:49
brokenNo, I checked htop its running at 2% cpu usage02:50
livingtmh3sp4wn, k thanks02:50
Dr_willisi would suggest killing the X session, and stopping kdm/gdm and then making a .xinitrc file that just launches a terminal, .xinitrc --> has 1 line. xterm  THEn trying 'startx' to see any error messages02:50
Dr_willisThen ya could try running gnome-sessionor whatever from the xterm window02:50
hamalawyhello eveyone.. i was wondering how to upgrade to hardy without loosing my current settings02:50
Dr_willisold-skool debugging!02:50
Dr_willishamalawy,  what settings are you refering to.02:51
h3sp4wnbroken: Sure its not something so simple as run out of disk space ?02:51
hamalawyis there a shell command that can automatically do that for me02:51
brokenI'm pretty sure.02:51
brokenLike 100% positive.02:51
Gninehigh cpu load due to kacpi process can do that..  grub kernel boot option acpi=off might solve the issue02:51
hamalawyi mean documents, vmware, you know.. my oersonal settings02:51
Dr_willispersonal settings are one thing, system settings are another. :)02:51
h3sp4wnbroken: Well say that then :)02:51
Dr_willisthe upgrade process 'should' keep all the old settings intact.02:51
Dr_willisbut it pays to have backups.02:52
h3sp4wnhamalawy: aptitude can do it for you02:52
hamalawyalready packed up and good to go ;)02:52
hamalawyi can't wait to try it02:52
brokenWell it seems this second reboot fixed it but took off all my appearence settings.02:52
jaffarkelshacdoes anyone know how to get my lcd brightness control back after update+reboot02:52
icanhasadminbroken: describe appearance settings?02:52
brokenAnd then I tried to open appearce settings and it said "sorry the program "gnome-appearance-properties" closed unexepectedly.02:53
hamalawywhat should i type to upgrade.. you see i only USE computers02:53
brokenicanhasadmin: Basically the menu bars and the colors.02:53
h3sp4wnhamalawy: sudo perl -pi.bak -e 's/gutsy/hardy/g' /etc/apt/sources.list02:53
brokenThe only thing that remained the same was the wallpaper.02:53
icanhasadminbroken: you are using metacity?02:54
hamalawythank you spawn02:54
h3sp4wnhamalawy: Then aptitude update && aptitude install aptitude && aptitude full-upgrade02:54
brokenicanhasadmin: yes I am using the defaults.02:54
h3sp4wnhamalawy: The line I just gave you you want sudo before each aptitude statement02:54
_derspanksterjava is definitely broken for me in FF3 beta402:55
Gninethe default is not metacity02:55
icanhasadminGnine: what?02:55
Gilouand grmzldjze@!##!! ACPI problem once again.02:55
HydrogenSOMETHINGS BROKEN IN A BETA? I DON'T BLEIEV EIT02:55
icanhasadminGnine: that's news to me02:55
brokenicanhasadmin: it seems like everything is back to normal.02:55
hamalawyi'm using dell inspiron 6400.. and it's working like magic with gutsy on it.. after several adjustments of course :D02:55
Meshezabeel_derspankster, you should go ask on the mozilla server02:55
_derspanksterHydrogen: you're so insightful02:55
h3sp4wnIs the amd64 java plugin working for most people now ?:02:55
hamalawyis hardy working well on dell 6400..  any news?02:56
h3sp4wn(or at all for anyone ?)02:56
Meshezabeelh3sp4wn, what site do you want me to go to and try?02:56
_derspanksterMeshezabeel: just making a statement02:57
Gninelooks like one02:57
Meshezabeel_derspankster, okay, thought maybe you were trying to find out if it was a known problem or not02:58
h3sp4wnMeshezabeel: http://download.java.net/javadesktop/plugin2/jake2/03:01
teufelhundenHey, have a question about my GPU (8800 GT): In my efforts to get GLX working, the only driver I have found to work is the proprietery driver off of nvidia's website.  However, every time I restsart my computer the driver won't work untill I reinstall it.  Seeing as how I switch hardrives and reboot often, this is a... major inconvinence.  Any ideas?03:08
h3sp4wnteufelhunden: The drivers are identical03:09
icanhasadminteufelhunden: that's really odd. did you install it initially from the restricted-drivers-manager?03:10
teufelhundenYeah, I tried using nvidia-glx-new but GLX won't work when I do that.03:10
h3sp4wnteufelhunden: Just remove the startup links for nvidia-kernel-common03:10
h3sp4wnupdate-rc.d -f nvidia-kernel-common remove03:10
teufelhundenwonderful, thank you.03:11
h3sp4wnIts - nvidia-kernel (changed its name since last looked)03:11
Meshezabeelh3sp4wn, looks like it isn't working for me03:11
mneptokteufelhunden: sudo apt-get install nvidia-glx-new03:15
teufelhundenWon't work, trust me.03:15
mneptokwhy's that?03:15
teufelhundenGood question.03:15
mneptokdoes nvidia-glx-new not support the 8800?03:16
mneptokare you sure you have the restricted modules for your kernel?03:16
teufelhundenwell, support for the 8800 *GT* is rather new...03:16
teufelhundenYes03:16
mneptokguess my fear of blood is what keeps me off nVidia's bleeding edge03:17
GilouACPI is gonna drive me crazy..03:19
icanhasadminacpi is.. evil03:20
Gilouif I boot using acpi=off I don't have sound support..03:20
icanhasadminGilou: you mean the opposite right?03:21
Gilouand if I boot without it, sometimes it will randomly kernel panic when loading HAL03:21
Gilouno, I actually mean that :)03:21
h3sp4wnGilou: Who makes the motherboard or computer ?03:21
Giloutake a guess03:21
Gilouthat's a laptop03:21
icanhasadmintoshiba? lol03:21
icanhasadminor acer03:22
icanhasadminone or the other03:22
Gilouacer03:22
Gilou:p03:22
GilouAcer / Intel03:22
GilouDSDT or BIOS is probably fucked up03:22
icanhasadminGilou: you using -14?03:22
Gilouyeah03:22
icanhasadminodd, my acer works flawless with hardy / -14, including acpi03:22
icanhasadmini only have an issue on my tosh03:22
Gilouwhat model?03:22
savvas!language03:22
ubotuPlease watch your language and topic to help keep this channel family friendly.03:22
Gilouoh, sorry..03:23
icanhasadminGilou: honestly i'm not sure. i own a store where i get to play with things like this lol03:23
Gilouwhat's weird is I booted it a few moments ago, and it went well03:23
Giloureally well actually03:23
Giloueven suspend was working03:24
GilouI was so happy I played with compiz03:24
Gilouthen I was like "ok.. this is like a miracle, let's reboot to check.."03:24
Gilouand beng.03:24
icanhasadminGilou: you SURE it was the same kernel version both times?03:24
Gilouyeah03:24
icanhasadminvery very odd.03:25
GilouI'm pretty sure it's a DSDT issue too, but I can't do anything about it..03:25
icanhasadminGilou: sure there is03:25
cpk1for some reason if I use sudo I cant tab complete anything after sudo now, not sure if its due to the install or the fact that I deleted all the hidden files in my home dir before the install, but I copied over the bashrc from /etc/skel and still no help03:25
Gilouyou wanna see some of the output once it starts crashing?03:25
icanhasadminGilou: reverse engineer your DSDT, fix it, recompile it, then try not to brick your motherboard ;)03:25
Giloucpk1> bash_completion ?03:25
h3sp4wncpk1: If you just manually source /etc/bash_completion03:25
Gilouyeaaaaah icanhasadmin good idea lol...03:25
h3sp4wnwhat happens then03:25
GilouI can read some assembler..03:26
h3sp4wnLinux bios03:26
Giloubut understand enough to fix a broken dsdt03:26
Gilougood luck :p03:26
icanhasadminGilou: i fixed one once. was an accident lol03:26
GilouI'd like such an accident03:27
Gilouhttp://grovo.gilouweb.com/~gilou/kernel_oops/03:27
Gilouif you're intersted in what it spits03:27
cpk1h3sp4wn: I have bash.bashrc and a dir called bash_completion.d with "debconf  debtags  ooffice.sh  pon" in it...03:27
h3sp4wncpk1: Well the main file is in a package called bash-completion03:28
GilouI was gonna report it as a kernel package bug03:28
h3sp4wnand lives - /etc/bash_completion -03:28
Giloubut I saw one report being bashed because it was detected as a DSDT issue03:29
Gilouwhich sounds reasonnable03:29
Giloumakes me sad, yet03:29
h3sp4wncpk1: But really the zsh completion is alot better03:29
Gilouyeah zsh is worth learning03:30
cpk1but that would only be if I use zsh right?03:30
* Gilou still a bash user03:30
Giloubut I like wandering in a zsh shell when I feel at home03:30
Gilou:p03:30
savvaszsh is for solaris?03:31
icanhasadminzsh better than bash? ugh. blashphemy, don't get me started03:31
Gilouof course it is..03:31
GilouI love the man page of bash03:31
savvasno i mean where is it used as default? :P03:31
GilouBUGS03:31
Gilou       It’s too big and too slow.03:31
icanhasadminGilou: that looks like a DSDT issue, but don't take my word for it03:31
Gilouicanhasadmin> lol thanks a lot for your help!! :p03:32
cpk1yup it was that package, thanks h3sp4wn I would have thought that that package would come with the system03:32
Gilousavvas> I'm not sure it's solaris related03:32
savvas"A small number of critical problems, but affecting a whole lot of computers and people: Both Macs and Windows computers are at risk from the multiple critical QuickTime vulnerabilities."03:33
savvas;)03:33
icanhasadminGilou: i wouldn't call it help, but ok. maybe your issue will be fixed with the final release of hardy :)03:33
DanaGI've lately had issues where changing power source breaks all ACPI buttons for a while.03:34
GilouI  hope so... because I can't really use my laptop without sound03:34
DanaG... and then after they unbreak, it literally spams me with everything I did over the last 5 or 10 minutes, over about 5 seconds.03:34
Gilouand acpi support is... somehow interesting (suspend, battery state & so on..)03:34
GilouDanaG> nice .. acpi is fun too here, if you close the LID and don't suspend / hibernate, it'll fire an acpi event every 30s03:35
Gilouwriting info on the disc03:35
Gilouthat's really great when you think your laptop is idling while on battery :p03:35
DanaGI've been getting hard-lockups when leaving the lid closed for long periods.03:36
SilverDawnHey all, Just out of curiosity, Is prelink or preload default in hardy now? Im not on my hardy box so i cant check, I was just wonderin03:36
Gilouprewhat?03:37
StrangeCharmhow can i activate network interfaces?03:37
SilverDawnapt-cache search prelink && apt-cache search preload03:38
Gilouwhen I see my ACPI problems, I still wonder how I can refer ubuntu to people when they complate about their MS system being slow hehe03:38
savvasprelink - ELF prelinking utility to speed up dynamic linking03:38
Gilouyet, I'm confident.03:38
savvaspreload - adaptive readahead daemon03:38
SilverDawnThere you go03:38
icanhasadminGilou: honestly it's really only a toshiba/acer thing :P03:38
SilverDawnNow you know what it is03:38
SilverDawnBut i take it that its not default03:39
Gilouyeah, but there are some people using that out there :p03:39
Giloume, for starters03:39
savvasSilverDawn: nope03:39
mb2Anyone having issues with Hibernate functionality?03:39
savvasdon't think so03:39
savvasrdepends appear empty03:40
Hydrogen!anyone | mb203:40
ubotumb2: A large amount of the first questions asked in this channel start with "Does anyone/anybody..."  Why not ask your next question (the real one) and find out?03:40
mb2Hydrogen: that was my question lol03:40
savvasmb2: he meant with a bit more info about the problem :P03:41
Hydrogenmb2: I'm assuming you are having a problem with hibernate functionality03:41
mb2Well, Hibernation appears broken in Hardy.  It doesn't hibernate... and boots up on the next boot normally03:41
Hydrogenas you're asking about it03:41
mb2I am looking to see if anyone is experiencing issues along that line to try to figure out if it is Hardy that is broken or my system03:42
icanhasadminmy hibernate has never worked03:43
icanhasadminany version of ubuntu03:43
SilverDawni never used hibernate03:43
SilverDawni never saw a point03:43
a1fablah03:43
a1fai am having issues installing03:43
a1fa:(03:43
StrangeCharmsilverdawn - it allows you to keep your session and save power03:43
mb2Nor I before tonight; a friend called me about it with trouble, though, and I tried it myself (and we have very similar systems) so I am trying to assess the issue03:43
a1fait freezes at some point of time03:44
Wrathhibernate in linux seems slower than just shutting down and reastarting03:44
akkMy hibernate used to work, up through feisty03:44
a1faanyway to install grub the fast way?03:44
a1fawith alternative cd03:44
a1fa?03:44
StrangeCharmwrath - and getting back to your previous state?03:44
Wrathyea its nice for that, if you have a bunch of things open03:44
Wrathi used to use windows hibernate just because it was faster tho03:44
DanaGSomething's new with pm-utils.03:44
akkIn gutsy I saw the same thing mb2 saw, it hibernates but on resume it just boots normally.03:44
DanaGNamely, severe lack of documentation.03:44
DanaGI know how to use the /etc/acpi and /etc/default/acpi-support stuff.03:45
DanaGBut the pm-utils stuff... I don't even know where the heck it IS.03:45
a1fadamn it03:45
a1fafuck this03:45
icanhasadmin!languagae03:45
ubotuSorry, I don't know anything about languagae - try searching on http://ubotu.ubuntu-nl.org/factoids.cgi03:45
a1faall i want to do is re-install grub03:45
icanhasadmin!language03:45
ubotuPlease watch your language and topic to help keep this channel family friendly.03:45
a1faanyway to skip the whole install?03:45
akka1fa: the alt cd has an "install grub" step, or you can run grub-install directly03:46
mb2a1fa: Then boot from the Live CD and reinstall grub03:46
mb2a1fa: Or you can do what akk mentioned, too.03:46
a1fawhats that03:46
akkIf you google you'll find howtos on grub-install (that's what I did last time I used it, which was years ago)03:46
* mb2 has learned to keep a GRUB boot floppy handy because it's useful on many people's systems :)03:47
a1fai like debians install wrapper03:47
a1fait lets you break out of standard install03:47
a1faand let you run all steps at any time03:47
akka1fa: In the alt cd, if you run in expert mode it sends you back to the menu after every step03:48
akka1fa: or you can ctl-alt-F2 to get a commandline at any time03:48
a1fai am in the command line03:48
akk(at least, that worked in feisty and gutsy, I assume it still works in hardy)03:48
a1fabut once i go back to the install and go back to the command line03:48
a1fathe screen goes blank03:48
mb2heh... found why it booted normally... though now I need to find the underlying cause.03:49
torpedo|dogI don't remember who told me about simple-ccsm last night, but thank you. It's exactly what I wanted.03:49
SilverDawnsimple-ccsm?03:50
SilverDawnYou needed something easyer then ccsm?..03:50
a1fagrub-install command not found03:50
torpedo|dogput lightly, regular CCSM is a user-interface disaster.03:51
SilverDawntorpedo|dog but it works and i dont know about you but i hardly need to change anything once i get it setup03:51
a1fahow stupid03:51
Hydrogenput lightly, gtk is a user-interface disaster03:51
a1faawwwwwwwwww03:51
SilverDawna1fa try /usr/sbin/grub-install or somethin03:52
a1fatoo late now03:52
a1faits freezing for some reason03:52
a1faPITA03:52
a1fa233 Mhz03:52
DanaGgnome-screensaver is a disaster.03:52
SilverDawnGNOME is a disaster, So is KDE03:52
SilverDawn=\03:52
torpedo|doggnome-screensaver is a bit too simple for my taste03:52
SilverDawnWhats the point of stating the obvious03:52
twbtorpedo|dog: simple?03:53
twbtorpedo|dog: what about xlockmore?03:53
twbxautolock + xtrlock is even simpler03:53
torpedo|dogno, I mean that I want a bit more customization than gnome-screensaver offers. xscreensaver-demo did well in that regard, imho03:54
akkare some of those less crashy than xscreensaver or gnome's screensaver?03:54
twbIt's probably all hidden in gconf-editor03:54
twbakk: define `cranky'03:54
akktwb: what I said was crashy, not cranky, but really I mean freezy -- as in, they freeze up the machine so I have to unplug it to reboot03:55
twbakk: sorry, my font's too small.03:55
twbakk: do you have DRI enabled?03:55
twbakk: if not, I'd expect the GL hacks to run the system into the ground03:56
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twbakk: xtrlock just blanks the screen, so it won't blow out your CPU time.03:56
akktwb: I have a machine with an s3 savage that can't do dri, and the gl screensavers lock it up; but even some of the non-gl ones lock it up03:56
twbHere's an .xscreensaver that will also just blank the screen, rather than using CPU-hogging hacks: http://cyber.com.au/~twb/Preferences/.xscreensaver03:57
akkBut X already has 2 built-in ways of blanking the screen -- why run a screensaver for that?03:57
twbakk: blank-and-lock03:57
akkah, okay, I don't lock, just blank03:57
twbxset dpms force off03:57
twbThat puts the monitor into powersave mode immediately03:58
akkThough one thing I do wish for, since gutsy, is a way to black the screen without doing dpms powersave03:58
twbxset s blank?03:59
akkX has two settings, a short timeout for fake blank and then a longer timeout for dpms, but starting with gutsy they both do dpms03:59
twbMaybe xset dpms force standby03:59
twbakk: you say "x has two settings", where are you activating them?03:59
torpedo|doghowever, with regards to my beef with ccsm, it's just that they had the "do I want it this way, or that? Why not let the user decide later" mentality, so you have 20 bajillion plugins, with a rather icky UI for all of them. What I'd really like to see is something simple like where you have a "window effects" tab or something like that, then you have choices something like this:04:01
torpedo|dogAppear: [ Fade in | v ]04:01
torpedo|dogClose: [ Fold out | v ]04:01
akktwb: The short timeout is the "blanking" one, in the screen saver section of xset; the long one is dpms times (actually three of them)04:01
torpedo|dogMove around: [ Wobble | v ]04:02
twbtorpedo|dog: IMO compiz' only useful feature is per-window colorspace inversion04:02
torpedo|dog           Wobbliness: Not wobbly --------|--- Very wobbly indeed04:02
akktwb: e.g. xset q tells me that Screen Saver has timeout 900, while DPMS has Standby: 0    Suspend: 0    Off: 120004:03
akktwb: but after 900 seconds, it does a dpms powerdown on the monitor04:03
torpedo|dogccsm-simple comes very close to that, which is what I (and I bet most other people) would want.04:03
twbakk: did you look through the changelogs for xorg-server and suchlike?04:03
akktwb: No -- I googled a little but the only X changelogs I found looked daunting and I gave up04:04
twbakk: you could always ask #debian-x or whatever the Ubuntu equivalent is.04:05
akktwb: Is there an X changelog that would cover specifically the changes between feisty and gutsy?04:05
twbDon't just suffer bugs in silence -- complain!04:05
akktwb: I did try asking on #xorg but didn't find anyone interested in talking04:05
akktwb: I used to report nearly all bugs, but they never get any attention so I've gotten a lot less proactive about that04:06
akktwb: I've been wondering if I'd have better luck now, reporting bugs on hardy before it's actually released so it's still being worked on04:06
akk(but I asked yesterday if I should be reporting bugs on the things I was asking about, and nobody seemed to know)04:07
a1falol04:07
a1fagrub-install is not available04:07
twbakk: yes, that's one reason I never report bugs to Ubuntu if I can reproduce them on Debian04:07
twbThey act like a bank with form-letter reponses04:07
DanaGHmm.04:08
DanaGhttps://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/linux-source-2.6.22/+bug/17609004:08
ubotuLaunchpad bug 176090 in linux-backports-modules-2.6.24 "WiFi / WLAN LED not working on notebooks with Intel iwl4965 | iwl3945" [Medium,Fix released]04:08
DanaGInteresting... my WiFi card doesn't even HAVE an activity LED.04:08
DanaGJust a BIOS-controlled 'state' LED.04:08
torpedo|dog...or does it?04:08
T1m0thyI've always had to turn it off and back on when rebooting.04:09
DanaG... and that even works without the driver loaded.04:09
torpedo|dogthat ain't lighting up on my compy04:09
T1m0thyIf it's left on it automatically goes off when Ubuntu starts loading.04:09
torpedo|dogwhich needs a reboot04:09
a1fathere is grub-installer04:09
twbGrr, bootchart was running rsvg-convert for 70% RAM eatage04:11
DanaGI ran into that, too.04:12
DanaG(except I called it something worse.)04:13
DanaGinstead of 'eatage'.04:13
twbIt would explain why mksquashfs took 4 hours for a 700MB iso04:13
DanaGOh, and wtf is the format that brasero rips CDs in?04:14
DanaGIt certainly isn't .iso!04:14
twbDanaG: does it have an extension?04:14
DanaGThere are two files:04:15
DanaG.toc and .bin.04:15
mb2ahh -- use those with cdrdao04:15
twbThat's bin/cue format04:16
twbIt's used for multi-thingy things04:16
mb2lol, twb04:16
twbe.g. CDDA discs04:16
DanaGAnd I couldn't md5sum the copied disk.04:17
DanaGI got I/O error on trying to md5sum either the original CD or the copy.04:17
twbWhy not just use dd to copy an .iso disc?04:17
DanaGdd errored out, too.04:17
akkInteresting, I got I/O errors trying to verify my hardy disc that I burned on gutsy, with k3b04:18
akkbut dd | md5sum worked fine04:18
twbDanaG: you can tell dd to not care about errors04:18
twbDanaG: is it definitely an .iso and not e.g. a PS2 or Wii disc?04:19
DanaGIt was a music CD.04:19
DanaGOh, and I tried it on both my internal drive and my Firewire one.04:19
twbDanaG: music CDs are not isos04:20
twbThey are CDDA format (unless they are DRMd, in which case they are evil and contain lofi MP3 or WMA copies and try to make it impossible to rip the actual CDDA tracks).04:21
DanaGIt actually copied with brasero, though.04:21
DanaGBut as toc and bin, not iso.04:21
DanaGWhy do music CDs get errors when trying to dd?04:22
twbDanaG: because you cannot rip CDDA discs with dd!04:22
DanaGWhy not?  I thought they'd just be bits, just as others are.04:23
twbIt's a long story.04:24
twbThe short answer is that there are different kinds of "just bits"04:24
DanaGaah.04:24
DanaGNot straight-through readable, then.04:25
DanaGWell, are the bin/cue copies bit-perfect, at least?  That's what I was trying to verify with dd.04:25
twbNominally, yes.04:25
strabesis anyone else's rhythmbox unable to play after resuming from suspend? It requires a restart of rhythmbox to let it play again.04:25
twbBut for a CDDA, you should have a whole bunch of .bin's, I think04:25
DanaGIt gave me just one.04:25
twbI normally rip with either jack or grip.04:25
twbThat gives you wavs and then encodes them to flac/whatever04:26
DanaGOh, and once I have the bin/cue, how can I rip it to ogg or such?04:26
twbI think they use cdparanoia as a backend04:26
twbI don't know how to tuen a bin/cue rip into useful data.04:26
pwnguinis there some trick to enabling the facebrowser on gdm?04:26
* DanaG goes off to try new kernel.04:27
twbGrr, why do the ubuntu-blah metapackages depend on specific packages (in this case, sysklog) instead of virtual packages (i.e. sysklogd | system-log-daemon).04:27
DanaGyay.04:30
Gilougrr04:30
* Gilou wants ACPI.04:30
pwnguinDanaG: -14?04:30
* DanaG has done his fair share of DSDT hacking.04:30
tecywiz121hey, synaptic is freezing for me on ldconfig everytime... any ideas?04:31
DanaGMine compiled fine, but had broken logic in brightness.04:31
tecywiz121console too04:31
DanaGhmm, /sys/class/leds/iwl-phy0:{RX,TX}04:31
* DanaG isn't lucky enough to HAVE such LEDs.04:32
akkIs there an ubuntu mailing list (or even forum) appropriate for asking questions about details of things like udev?04:32
crimsunakk: depends on your intent04:32
DanaGOh yeah, that reminds me of another thing I wanted to comment about on my old brightness bug.04:33
crimsunakk: if it's udev hacking, go upstream.  If it's udev integration in Ubuntu, then ubuntu-devel-discuss04:33
DanaGbug 12183304:33
ubotuLaunchpad bug 121833 in linux "LCD backlight turns off when between discrete levels, both from hotkeys and from dim-on-idle." [Medium,Fix committed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/12183304:33
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DanaGyay, clickable link.04:33
akkcrimsun: The trouble with udev is that every distro (afaik) has its own set of rules04:34
penI don't undersatnd this. Why compiz is slowing down compiz so much??04:34
pen*understand04:34
J-_Does Tracker work for anyone?04:34
akkcrimsun: so I have a feeling the upstream folks would just say "oh, we don't know what ubuntu's trying to do"04:34
twbpen: do you have DRI on?04:34
GilouDanaG> do you think I should post about my ACPI prob?04:34
pentwb: maybe04:34
crimsunakk: what does the question concern?04:34
pentwb: you mean xorg.conf?04:35
Gilouor is a DSDT issue not likely to be interesting enough..04:35
twbpen: run `glxinfo | grep -i direct.rendering'04:35
penyes04:35
akkcrimsun: I'm trying to understand how the flow is supposed to work from a hotplugged cardbus ethernet card through udev to ifup04:35
pentwb I have DR04:35
twbpen: it prints "direct rendering: yes"?04:35
pwnguinanyone able to use a facebrowser for GDM login?04:35
pentwb: yes04:35
twbpen: OK, what does `lspci | grep VGA' print?04:35
tecywiz121pwnguin, yep04:36
akkcrimsun: It's not working, but I can't even figure out how it's *supposed* to work from the udev rules.04:36
pentwb: 01:00.0 VGA compatible controller: nVidia Corporation GeForce 8400M GS (rev a1)04:36
pentwb: compiz is very smooth without FF04:36
crimsunakk: first, you need to be a bit more specific.  Are we talking a pure server install or a pure desktop install?04:36
akkcrimsun: so I'm hoping to find someone who can clue me in on how it's expected to work, then I can figure out what's different about my card.04:36
tecywiz121metacity with compositing isnt too bad with FF04:36
pwnguintecywiz121: i had some gdm problems so i --purged the install and config files and now i cant seem to get the face browser to work =/04:37
akkcrimsun: It's a laptop, and I'm not using the gnome/hal stuff though i'd be perfectly happy with an explanation that included how control is supposed to pass off to hal or gnome.04:37
twbpen: what does `grep Loading./usr/lib/xorg/modules/drivers /var/log/Xorg.0.log' print?04:37
danuelHi all04:37
Luckriderdoes anyone know about Cwiid?04:37
pwnguinLuckrider: yes04:37
twbpwnguin: hmm, that might simply be because ff wants all the ram or something04:37
pentwb: (II) Loading /usr/lib/xorg/modules/drivers//nvidia_drv.so04:37
crimsunakk: insertion -> linux -> udev04:37
twbSorry, bad completion04:37
crimsunakk: where do you want me to elaborate?04:38
Luckrideryou do04:38
danuelI have a problem, "you are not privileged to mount this volume" windows ntfs partition.  Is this a bug in Hardy?04:38
pwnguinLuckrider: i do indeed04:38
tecywiz121pwnguin, did you miss anything when you reinstalled everything?04:38
Luckriderhold on a minute04:38
twbpen: I don't know how to help, but those commands I had you run should be told to anyone you're trying to get help from on compiz speed04:38
danuelIs there a good how to on this mounting drives in ubuntu Hardy?04:38
twbpen: also mention from the start that it's only bad when firefox is running04:39
twbdanuel: do you know the device's name (e.g. /dev/sdb2) ?04:39
pentwb: ok04:39
pwnguintecywiz121: nope. it pulled out gdm, ubuntu-desktop and fast user switcher, but they're all back now04:39
akkcrimsun: okay, cardbus card inserted, an event happens, udev gets some sort of event04:39
LuckriderOK04:39
* DanaG greps dmesg for NVRM04:39
LuckriderBACK04:39
Luckridersorry about that04:39
pentwb: is it because of the NVIDIA driver?04:39
twbpen: I don't know04:40
Luckriderbut04:40
Luckriderpwnguin04:40
danuelI think it's sdb0 and 1 (two partitions), but uncertain.  What's the best way to find out?04:40
twbpen: I never used an nvidia GPU, because they are filthy and tainted04:40
Luckrider, have04:40
Luckridery04:40
Luckriderou a04:40
* DanaG will be glad to be free of nvidia in summer.04:40
pentwb: hm...04:40
Luckriderver heard of anyone using the nunchuck as the mouse04:40
akkcrimsun: this may or may not involve the rules in 70-persistent-net.rules04:40
pwnguinLuckrider: for the love of god,please try to fit it on a single line04:40
Luckridersorry04:40
Luckridermy keyboard is freaking out on me04:40
DanaGYou know the "don't sacrifice permanent liberty for temporary security" issue?  I'll be going the other way:04:40
pwnguinthis channel is far too busy for that ;)04:40
pentwb: It seems like in gusty FF2 is working fine with ocmpiz04:40
twbdanuel: what does this command report? `stat -c %G /dev/sdb? | fmt'04:40
akkcrimsun: then somehow, I *think* we're supposed to get from there to the rules in 85-ifupdown.rules04:40
pentwb: If I'm not wrong04:40
DanaGPossibly sacrificing performance and stability, for the sake of freedom.04:40
crimsunakk: yes, the handoff is to udev.  No, /etc/udev/rules.d/70-persistent-net.rules is secondary.  First see /etc/udev/rules.d/75-persistent-net-generator.rules, which /creates or modifies/ the former.04:41
twbpen: please don't bug me further about this issue04:41
DanaGI'll be going to ATI.04:41
akkcrimsun: which apparently can call ifup ... but that part doesn't seem to be happening04:41
twbpen: I can help no more04:41
pentwb: ok04:41
tecywiz121i hate ATI....04:41
pwnguinLuckrider: yes, ive heard of people using acc drivers to make the nunchuck a mouse04:41
DanaGI hate nvidia, myself.04:41
akkcrimsun: I know about /etc/udev/rules.d/75-persistent-net-generator.rules (I had to disable it on gutsy, and that bug, which a lot of people saw, was just WONFIXed a few days ago)04:41
* mb2 loves nvidia04:41
DanaG*BLINK*04:41
pwnguinLuckrider: for example, /etc/cwiid/wminput/nunchuk_acc_ptr04:41
tecywiz121yeah... the oldish ati drivers melted a card of mine04:41
Luckriderdo you know where i can find a guide or somethig to do it?04:41
DanaG*BLINK*04:41
Luckrideroh04:41
Luckriderthanks04:41
DanaG*BLINK* *BLINK*04:41
akkcrimsun: but that isn't the problem with hardy, at least I think it's always using the same persistent rule for the card04:42
* pwnguin uses nouveau04:42
mb2i have both nvidia and ati hardware and the ati doesn't work for nothing.04:42
DanaG(I no longer have that issue, but boy, was it annoying when I DID have it.04:42
Luckriderpwnguin, you are the best, I am going to look for that in my sys now04:42
tecywiz121mb2, I agree!04:42
crimsunakk: it depends on the module, the MAC address, and the attributes04:42
* DanaG snickers at double negative, but refrains from directly mocking it)04:42
DanaGOh yeah, the generator thingy needs to include wmaster interfaces!04:42
mb2DanaG: yeah, bad sentence construction i agree lol04:42
danueltwb: it's sda, not sdb, and output of "stat -c %G /dev/sdb? | fmt" shows "disk disk disk disk"04:43
akkcrimsun: So, first question: how can I find out whether it's invoking the rule in 70-persistent-net.rules ?04:43
twbdanuel: OK, what does the `id' command print?04:43
DanaGHint to fix Gnome's buggy brightness control: use kde's guidance power manager.04:43
crimsunakk: use udev debugging, e.g., break=  if necessary.04:43
akkcrimsun: and likewise, how can I find out if it ever gets to 85-ifupdown.rules?04:43
Luckriderpwnguin this is what I have http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/62095/04:44
pwnguinyes04:44
Luckriderdo you have any suggestions?04:44
Luckriderthat is orrect?04:44
Luckrider*correct04:44
pwnguinwminput -C nunchuck_acc_ptr04:44
pwnguinsudo04:44
Luckriderok04:44
akkcrimsun: I tried udevmonitor (on DanaG's suggestion) but that didn't show me which rules were being invoked, and I didn't know how to interpret what it did show me04:44
danueltwb: uid=1000(daniel) gid=1000(daniel) groups=4(adm),20(dialout),24(cdrom),25(floppy),29(audio),30(dip),44(video),46(plugdev),106(fuse),108(lpadmin),114(admin),1000(daniel)04:44
twbdanuel: OK, so you need to add yourself to the `disk' group04:45
danuelI see04:45
twbICBW, you may need to add yourself to a different group that is specific to pmount/gnome-mount, I don't remember04:45
J-_Hmm, brightness works with the new kernel now, but it goes back to the brightest setting after a while.04:46
Luckriderpwnguin, the gui works, but not sudo wminput or sudo wminput -C nunchuck_acc_ptr04:49
crimsunakk: please pass the appropriate debug flag(s)04:49
crimsundepending on the binary, --debug-trace, -v, etc.04:49
akkcrimsun: Sorry, pass it where?04:50
pwnguinLuckrider: in /usr/share/doc/wminput should be a readme. you need to modprobe uinput first04:50
crimsunI have an early flight, so I need to get to bed.04:50
Luckriderok04:50
Luckriderlet me see what I can do04:50
DanaGWhere are you headed off to?  You seem to travel a lot.04:50
Luckriderit is in .list format pwnguin, is that correct?04:52
crimsunakk: pass one of the break=  kernel parameter values, then invoke udevd manually with one or more of the verbose options04:52
danueltwb: I did04:52
* DanaG wonders:04:53
pwnguinLuckrider: it?04:53
DanaGIf I got a mini-PCie to full-size PCIe adapter, would there be any way to tell the OS to consider it hotpluggable?04:53
Luckriderwhat do you mean It? pwnguin04:53
DanaGPerhaps a PCIe-to-PCIe bridge and hotplug controller?04:53
DanaGI want one of the C-Media Oxygen cards, or such, for my next laptop.04:53
danueltwb: I did "sudo useradd -G disk daniel" output "user daniel exists"04:53
pwnguinLuckrider: what do YOU mean by "it"? as in "it is in .list format"04:53
akkcrimsun: okay, will try. I don't suppose there's anything anywhere that documents these break= options? I have no idea what would go there04:54
Luckrideroh04:54
Luckriderthe file, I am sorry about that, it is midnight here, and I have been up since 5:3004:54
danueltwb: still not privileged.04:54
pwnguinLuckrider: which file?04:54
Luckriderthe wminput.list04:55
pwnguinnote at the top that wminput.list says its not a valid config file04:55
pwnguinit also doesn't mention the plugins04:55
Luckrideroh04:55
Luckriderso how do i fix that pwnguin?04:55
pwnguinits a doc, you dont need to fix it04:56
pwnguinits just a list of the valid things you might configure04:56
Luckriderso... how am I supposed to get the thing to work, use that list to configure it?04:56
pwnguinyou use an existing config file (or write a new one) and use that04:57
bazhangI have seven updates that are being held back and none other in the past couple of days; should I -f install those to open the way for more --am still on the -12 kernel which seems odd04:57
franekhi04:57
danueltwb: are you still here?04:57
Luckriderok, thanks pwnguin, I am kind of new to this coing thing in Linux (I used to leach off of other untill I told my freind I wanted to learn how to do this on my Own)04:57
franekI have problem04:58
pwnguinLuckrider: also, wminput has a manpage. "man wmpinut"04:58
Luckriderok, so what is a man page (see total noob)?04:58
pwnguinits an online manual04:58
Luckrideroh ok thanks, so how do I get to it?04:59
Luckrideror better thing to say is, where is it04:59
pwnguina command line program called "man" will display manpages for programs. ie you bring up a terminal and type in "man wminput"04:59
Luckrideroh04:59
Luckriderthank you very much pwnguin04:59
franekI wond have menu bar with mac os and its not work any menu bar :(04:59
pwnguinLuckrider: nearly every program has one of those manpages05:00
Luckriderok, thanks very much, that is good to know for future refernce05:00
pwnguinhuh05:01
pwnguinapparently the system->help&support entry also handles manpages05:01
danueltwb: sorry, id meant usermod ... it's been a while since I modified users in linux ... daniel is added to disk, but problem still remains.  "you are not privileged to mount this volume"05:01
franekwhu kant send me this file /usr/lib/libgtk-x11-2.0.so.0.1200.0 ?05:01
Luckrideroh, that is also good to know pwnguin05:01
franekcome on :(05:03
romulogood night05:05
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romulowhy now gnome policy when acessing a samba share is to MOUNT it? thats so ugly..why i cant just navigate a folder and write and read files from it without a ugly icon show on my desktop and mounting it?05:05
happy-sufferer ok. i have an odd problem.  currently, my ubuntu 7.10 cannot connect to internet due to wireless pci card problem. I installed Xubuntu 8.04 on a separate partition and wireless card works there. This is now what I want to do: I want to upgrade from Ubuntu 7.10 to ubuntu 8.04 without using any CD discs. Would it be possible to somehow download all the required files for Ubuntu 8.04 while logged on to Xubuntu 8.04?05:06
Luckridercan you hardline it to the internat?05:06
Luckrider*internet?05:07
Luckriderhappy-sufferer05:07
happy-suffererLuckrider: what does "hardline" mean?05:07
happy-suffereropposite of "wireless"?05:07
Luckriderwith an ethernet cable05:07
happy-sufferernope.05:07
Luckrideroh05:07
akkhappy-sufferer: How would you run 8.04 if it's not installed yet and you're not using a CD?05:08
Luckriderthen I am not sure05:08
happy-sufferercan i somehow pull all the required files while in Xubuntu 8.04 ?05:08
Luckriderhe said that he install it on a seperate partition05:08
Luckriderakk05:08
happy-suffererakk, i thought maybe you can tell me how to do so with internet-ok Xubuntu 8.04 on a separate partition05:08
Flannel!install | happy-sufferer05:08
ubotuhappy-sufferer: Ubuntu can be installed in a lot of ways. Please see https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Installation for documentation. Problems during install? See https://wiki.ubuntu.com/CommonProblemsInstall. Don't want to use a CD? Try http://tinyurl.com/3exghs - See also !automate05:08
pwnguinhappy-sufferer: if you have the space, you could download an iso, and mount it loopback on your broken install05:08
Flannelhappy-sufferer: The first link there has oodles of odd methods05:08
akkoh, 8.04 is running on one partition but you want to install it to another?05:08
happy-suffererpwnguin: ok. how do i do so05:09
akkhappy-sufferer: You might look into debootstrap; someone suggested it to me here yesterday and it worked just fine to install a base system onto another partition.05:09
happy-suffererakk. currently, on my comp, i have Ubuntu 7.10 with internet problem; and Xubuntu 8.04 with working internet.05:09
happy-suffererakk, each on its own partition05:09
pwnguinhappy-sufferer: how much free space on each partition?05:10
* akk is working on writing up that debootstrap procedure but got too tied up in trying to fix the udev problem05:10
happy-suffererpwnguin: i think guided partition didn't leave me much room on the ubutu 7.10 partiion. but i can free up space there by about 8 gigs.05:10
alex_mayorgaanyone that can help me out of this X errors:05:11
alex_mayorga(EE) VESA(0): No matching modes05:11
alex_mayorga(EE) Screen(s) found, but none have a usable configuration.05:11
happy-suffererpwnguin: on xubuntu 8.04 partition, i think i have about 10 gigs or more of free space, but how can i confirm via terminal?05:11
pwnguinhappy-sufferer: actually, you might be able to chroot and solve the problem05:11
pwnguinhappy-sufferer: "df -h"05:11
alex_mayorgaFatal server error: no screens found05:11
akkhappy-sufferer: df -h will tell you space available on all mounted partitions05:11
happy-suffererpwnguin: on sda6 (xubuntu 8.04) i have 25Gigs avail05:12
pwnguinhow about the other one?05:12
happy-suffererpwnguin: how do i do the chroot solution?05:12
happy-suffererpwnguin: df -h from withinh xubuntu 8.04 doesn't tell me about the other partition.05:12
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pwnguinhappy-sufferer: step one: identify the root partition of the other install05:12
happy-suffereri think it's sd105:12
happy-suffererjust a gues05:13
akkhappy-sufferer: If you can mount the other partition, then df will tell you about it05:13
happy-sufferercan i mount from within xbuntu8.04?05:13
happy-suffereri'm a newbie05:13
happy-sufferer8-)05:13
pwnguinmount /dev/sda1 /mnt/sda105:13
critter`the pulseaudio sound systems seems to have disappeared from my amarok.  anyone have amarok working under hardy ?05:13
happy-suffererpwnguin: sda1 doesn't exist, according to terminal05:13
pwnguin/mnt/sda1?05:13
happy-suffererhow do i find out the correct location of ubuntu7.10?05:14
akkhappy-sufferer: Try mounting it to just /mnt, not /mnt/sda105:14
happy-sufferermount: mount point /mnt/sda1 does not exist05:14
pwnguinakk: what happens if there were other mounts on /mnt?05:14
penwhat does this do?? Option "AccelMethod" "exa"05:14
penOption "MigrationHeuristic" "greedy"05:14
penOption "ExaNoComposite" "true"05:14
happy-suffererpwnguin: i was just guessing about sda1.05:14
pwnguinhappy-sufferer: so make the directory ;) "sudo mkdir /mnt/sda1"05:14
happy-suffereri may be wrong05:14
akkpwnguin: then it wouldn't be right, but I'm guessing there aren't and it seemed easier for a one-time fix than explaining how to mkdir05:14
happy-suffererhow can i confirm05:14
T1m0thy*sigh* Why can I log in sometimes perfectly fine and other times it says LOL CAN'T LOAD APPLET or LOL PANEL FAILED? Then I restart X and it works perfectly fine.. So confusing.05:15
pwnguinhappy-sufferer: mounting shouldn't destroy anything05:15
pwnguinhappy-sufferer: just make the dir and try the command again05:15
happy-suffererok05:15
akkhappy-sufferer: You do need to figure out what partition you installed to. fdisk -l /dev/sda will tell you partition sizes, which might give you an idea.05:15
happy-suffererpwnguin: done05:15
happy-sufferersudo mount /dev/sda1 /mnt/sda1 <--- done05:15
pwnguintry df -h again05:16
happy-suffererpwnguin: for /dev/sda1: Size is 34g. Used is 33G. Available is 173 Megs.05:16
pwnguinuh05:16
happy-suffererpwnguin: i can free up about 10 Gigs of space there05:16
happy-suffererby moving my personal  files onto my iPod05:16
pwnguinthat would be handy05:17
happy-sufferershould I do that now?05:17
pwnguin173 wont be enough to store the new packages =/05:17
happy-suffereryes05:17
happy-sufferershoudl i do that now?05:17
pwnguinyes05:17
happy-sufferercan i do so while inside xubuntu 8.04, or do i have to restart comp and choose to load ubuntu7.10?05:17
pwnguinim not familiar with xubuntu but05:18
happy-sufferercan i just delete the files while in xubuntu8.10?05:18
pwnguinif you navigate to /mnt/sda105:18
pwnguinyou should be able to delete and move files05:18
happy-suffererok. i'll try the "fileexplorer" program05:18
pwnguinwith thunar or whatever05:18
happy-suffererpwnguin: great. am now deleting an "audio" folder with 5 gigs.05:19
pwnguinthat should be plenty of space ;)05:19
happy-suffererpwnguin: great.05:19
happy-suffererpwnguin: thank you by the way for your help. It's much appreciated. if you were here, i'd bake the deliciousu pizza that I have in the oven and share some with you! 8-)05:20
happy-sufferer2 minutes remaining in the delete05:21
amirman84has anybody had any success getting flash videos to work on firefox yet?05:21
pwnguinhappy-sufferer: there's two ways to go. you can try to run the whole update from 8.04 and just try to ignore the process restart failures, or you can download all the packages to the 7.10 install and reboot to finish the upgrade05:21
amirman84i'm using the GNU flash plugin by the way05:21
happy-suffererpwnguin: i think you're misunderstanding a bit: while in 7.10, I can NOT use internet05:21
alex_mayorgahow do I remount my NTFS partition? looks like I lost it at some point in time05:21
happy-suffererwhile in Ubuntu 7.10, i can NOT use internet (duet to wileress pci card issues/kernel issues)05:21
pwnguinhappy-sufferer: right. so you download the files to the 7.10 install while in 8.04, and then reboot into 7.10 and "apt-get upgrade"05:22
happy-suffererok. you understood all along.05:22
pwnguinthey're both tricky05:22
happy-suffererok. 45 seconds left. so how do i do that now?05:22
happy-suffereryou seem a reliable guide. 8-)05:22
pwnguinstep one is to chroot into your 7.10 install05:22
pwnguin"sudo chroot /mnt/sda1"05:23
happy-suffererpwnguin: done. now there's a # in the terminal05:23
pwnguinright05:23
happy-sufferer(by the way, delete of 5 gigs is now done, too)05:23
pwnguinif you hit ls05:23
pwnguinyou'll see the fs as if /mnt/sda1 were /05:23
happy-suffereryou want me to type "ls"?05:23
happy-suffererok.05:23
happy-suffereri typed ls but i don't see "/" nor "mnt/sda1"05:24
happy-suffereri do see "mnt" however05:24
pwnguinyou should see something like initrd.img05:24
pwnguinand vmlinuz05:25
happy-suffereri see those 2, yes!05:25
pwnguinthat is the basic view from /05:25
happy-suffererum, ok.05:25
happy-sufferer8-)05:25
pwnguinanyways, technically, people say that the gui is the official upgrader, but i have no idea how that works in server installs05:25
happy-suffererok.05:26
happy-suffererum, what's the next step?05:26
pwnguinso lets try "gedit /etc/apt/sources.list"05:26
happy-suffererterminal says "cannot open display: "05:27
happy-sufferer... after i do the gedit command.05:27
pwnguinfun05:27
happy-suffereri have mousepad05:27
Fritzelwhat's the proper way to shut down X but keep the rest of the system up?05:27
happy-suffereras a "text editor"05:27
happy-sufferershould i use that somehow?05:27
pwnguinperhaps05:27
pwnguinbut recall we're after the chroot's sources.list05:28
happy-suffererok. what is "chroot"?05:28
akkFritzel: ctl-alt-backspace will kill X, but if you're running gdm or another graphical login program it'll restart it.05:28
Fritzelyes I need to temporarily prevent it from running05:28
pwnguinchroot is a way to trick programs into running as if a new directory were the entire filesystem05:28
akkFritzel: You can kill gdm (then restart it again later, if you want)05:29
happy-suffereri tried "mousepad /etc/apt/sources.list" but terminal says "mousepad is not currently installed." tHat is strange, because i see mousepad in "application/accessories"05:29
Fritzeland in the case of Kubuntu kdm correct?05:29
akkFritzel: right05:29
Fritzelakk:  isn't there a nicer way to do that than kill it?05:29
pwnguinhappy-sufferer: for the moment, let's ignore that and try opening a new terminal window05:29
happy-sufferersure.05:29
akkFritzel: many window managers have an "exit" menu item, but I don't know if kde does05:29
happy-sufferernew tab is open05:29
pwnguinhappy-sufferer: then run "sudo gedit /mnt/sda1/etc/apt/sources.list"05:29
akkFritzel: Exiting from the window manager/desktop will usually exit X gracefully.05:30
alex_mayorgalooks like I have Bug #208508 but when mounting05:30
ubotuLaunchpad bug 208508 in ubuntu "Can't unmount windows partitions" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/20850805:30
akkFritzel: As for gdm, it doesn't hurt anything to kill it.05:30
akkFritzel: or kdm either05:30
happy-sufferergedit: command not found.05:30
happy-sufferershould i install gedit first?05:30
pwnguinsure05:30
happy-suffererok.05:30
Fritzelakk: alright fair enough, just seems that killing it is a bit extreme, but that's alright it'll do the job, any special way I should invoke it when I'm ready to bring it back up?05:30
pwnguinit's more of a gnome program, but it should work with xubuntu05:30
happy-suffererwow 18 MBs for a plain text editor. 8-)05:31
akkor install mousepad, if you like that better05:31
alex_mayorgaI get "You are not privileged to mount this volume." when I try to browse my NTFS partition, any help?05:31
happy-suffererakk, i already have mousepad in my menu, but running from terminal makes it seems that it's not installed.05:31
pwnguini think mousepad is installed, but the chroot terminal wouldn't be able to find it05:31
happy-suffererok05:31
Jordan_UFore some reason I don't have a "custom" option in gnome-control-center ( ccsm IS installed )05:31
pwnguinyou could subsitute mousepad for gedit in that command and see what's up05:31
Jordan_UFor Desktop Effects that is05:31
happy-suffererpwnguin: i'm now in gedit --- sources.list thing05:31
danuelalex_mayorga: I have the same issue with Hardy.05:31
alex_mayorgahappy-sufferer, you can always try nano :)05:31
pwnguinheh05:32
voidmageoh god.05:32
alex_mayorgadanuel: do you know a work around?05:32
danuelnot really05:32
Fritzelbrb05:32
danuelI'm looking for som ehelp05:32
pwnguinhappy-sufferer: alrighty. you see how those lines all say "gutsy" somewhere in em?05:32
happy-suffereryes05:32
alex_mayorgaI guess is just a matter of sudo "the right command" problem is I don't know the right command05:32
happy-suffereracutally, on many lines05:32
happy-sufferershould i do a find-and-replace ?05:33
pwnguinsure05:33
pwnguingutsy for hardy05:33
alex_mayorgadanuel: lets subscribe to bug 208508 then, it looks closely related05:33
ubotuLaunchpad bug 208508 in ubuntu "Can't unmount windows partitions" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/20850805:33
danuelearlier twb said "you have to add yourself to group disk" but that didn't work.05:33
happy-suffererchange ALL mention of  "gutsy" word for "hardy"? or just some?05:33
pwnguinjust the ones that aren't comments05:33
pwnguinwell,05:33
danuelubotu: thanks05:33
ubotuYou're welcome! But keep in mind I'm just a bot ;-)05:33
happy-suffereri see05:33
pwnguinchange me al05:33
happy-suffererchange em all?05:33
* DanaG refuses to install the newer revision of the gdm theme.05:33
pwnguinno point in keeping references to gutsy when this is done05:34
happy-suffererem=> them, yes?05:34
happy-suffererok05:34
DanaGIt's all washed-out and pasty-faced.05:34
pwnguinDanaG: i'd just like my facebrowser back05:34
alex_mayorgaDanaG: is it ugly?05:34
DanaGI think it is.05:34
DanaGThe older one looked better.05:34
alex_mayorgalooks kind of nice to me05:34
DanaGThe new one makes me think it'll get a sunburn.05:34
Jordan_ULooks over exposed05:34
happy-suffererpwnguin: all done. (all "Gutsy" words are now "hardy".)05:34
pwnguinhappy-sufferer: also, if you have any silly 3rd party repos, this is the time to remove them05:34
happy-suffererpwnguin: for example, deb http://archive.ubuntulinux.jp/ubuntu-ja hardy/ ???05:35
happy-suffererhow do i know which is 3rd party, can i show you in a pastebin?05:35
pwnguinsure, throw the whole file in a pastebin05:35
pwnguinis ubuntulinux.jp owned by canonical?05:35
danuelubuotu: the problem is that we can't "mount" ... I'm not sure if bug 208508 is related.05:35
ubotuLaunchpad bug 208508 in ubuntu "Can't unmount windows partitions" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/20850805:35
happy-suffererpwnguin: http://pastebin.com/m1ef1032d05:36
happy-suffererpwnguin: i don't know whether ubuntulinux.jp is owned by canonical, but i got that line from wiki.ubuntu.com/help or something like that.05:36
danuelalex_mayorga: do you think the "mount" problem is related to the "unmount" bug?05:37
happy-suffererpwnguin: i do not mind deleting the ubunulinux.jp line for safetysake05:38
pwnguinhappy-sufferer: so uh... whats with all the mirrors.kernel.org?05:38
pwnguinhappy-sufferer: you can just comment the line with a # and remove the # later05:38
alex_mayorgaJordan_U want to help me figure out my nvidia trouble from the afternoon?05:39
alex_mayorgaI now have new developments :)05:39
alex_mayorganow I get (EE) Screen(s) found, but none have a usable configuration. :(05:39
pwnguinhappy-sufferer: also, the cdrom lines need fixing. its "hardy heron" and "gutsy gibbon". they should be changed to match "hardyt heron"05:39
happy-suffereri don't remember re: kernels.org lines05:39
Flannelno.  Just comment those out entirely.  They won't work by just changing.  You need to use apt-cdrom add to add CDs to the repos05:40
happy-suffererFlannel: i'm confused.05:40
pwnguinhappy-sufferer: as Flannel said, juist comment out those deb cdrom: lines05:40
happy-suffererFlannel: do you know what we're trying to do? 8-)05:40
happy-suffererokie dokie05:40
alex_mayorgadanuel, I do think it is, but I might be wrong05:41
Jordan_Ualex_mayorga, Do you have an Xorg.conf from another Distro / Version that did work?05:41
pwnguinbut i have no idea what's going on with that list05:41
happy-suffererpwnguin: me neither. 8-(05:41
happy-sufferershoild i comment out the kernel lines , too?05:42
alex_mayorgaJordan_U, there are many old ones from previous updates, this machine has had ubuntu since feisty but has been updated to almost every alpha/beta since then05:42
pwnguinhappy-sufferer: if you do that'l you'll be without any sources of packages!05:42
happy-suffererwhat should i do with the sources.list? I'm quite confused. 8-(05:43
DanaGI do dislike the newest gdm theme.05:43
pwnguinhappy-sufferer: what we're trying to do is switch it to the hardy set of repositories05:43
alex_mayorgathe tricky bit is that this specific laptop has a broken LCD and I've plugged it to my LCD TV in the hopes of roll out mythTV one day05:43
happy-suffererpwnguin: ok. that's clear.05:43
pwnguinhappy-sufferer: but your system's clearly been heavily customized05:43
happy-suffererpwnguin: yeah. what happneed?05:43
alex_mayorgaso I certainly have a quirky configuration going05:43
happy-suffererand what should i do to make our adventure work?05:43
Jordan_Ualex_mayorga, I assume you have tried "sudo dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg -phigh" and "sudo mv /etc/X11/xorg.conf /etc/X11/xorg.conf.inactive" ?05:44
happy-sufferershould i just try to get and copy the official 8.04 sources list from somewhere?05:44
x1250alex_mayorga: I plan to do the same (upgrade to alphas/betas as they're available). Many headaches for doing that?05:44
pwnguinhappy-sufferer: thats what im thinking05:44
happy-suffererhmm. where can they be found?05:44
Jordan_Ualex_mayorga, The second command simply to force X to try to figure things out on it's own when it can't find the xorg.conf05:44
happy-suffererdoes anybody here have official (uncustomized) sources.list for Ubuntu (gnome) 8.04 Beta?05:45
x1250I think I have it happy-sufferer, wait05:45
Flannelhappy-sufferer: Go to software sources and create one05:45
alex_mayorgax1250, I've been doing that since the very first hardy "release" long ago, not major breakage really05:45
pwnguinFlannel: the challenge is xubuntu versus gnome ubuntu05:45
happy-suffererFlannel: i'm in software sorces. now how do we create it?05:45
x1250happy-sufferer: http://200.104.92.54:8000/05:46
happy-suffererFlannel: oh yeah. what pwnguin said.05:46
Flannelpwnguin: xubuntu sources are identical to ubuntu sources.05:46
pwnguinhappy-sufferer: http://pastebin.com/mf5c535c05:46
alex_mayorgaJordan_U, I've tried the first one to no avail, let me try the mv and see if it can figure it out05:46
alex_mayorgaJordan_U fpr the record this is the TV http://www.amazon.com/Samsung-LNT2653H-26-inch-LCD-HDTV05:46
happy-suffererx1250: your list is for people living in  .de ?05:47
happy-suffereri think i should use pwnguin'.s05:47
danuelalex_mayorga: I think you're right.  Let's try and bring it to to attention.05:48
happy-suffererpwnguin: ok. i'm using the sources.list you linked to now.05:48
x1250not really, I live in south america, but I like .de servers.05:48
pwnguinhappy-sufferer: ok. now to test it05:48
happy-suffererok. so first i save thi file, and get out of gedit, yes?05:48
pwnguinhappy-sufferer: yes05:49
happy-suffererok, pwnguin. done05:49
pwnguinhappy-sufferer: go back to the chroot'd term and "apt-get update"05:49
alex_mayorgaJordan_U: so I move my .conf and then xinit?05:49
happy-suffererpwnguin: do that from within xubuntu 8.04 beta partition, yes?05:49
pwnguinhappy-sufferer: the chroot'd terminal is that one05:49
happy-suffererok.05:50
happy-suffererpwnguin: done. "E: Some index files failed to download, they have been ignored, or old ones used instead."05:50
Jordan_Ualex_mayorga, yup05:50
pwnguinhappy-sufferer: all of them?05:50
alex_mayorgacross your fingers :)05:50
happy-suffereroh, wait. error message. i'll paste into pastebin. pls hold05:50
* DanaG is lucky to have working hotkey display switching.05:51
DanaGBut it doesn't change video modes, oddly enough.05:51
happy-suffererpwnguin: http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/62097/05:52
happy-suffererVery many error messages05:52
akkHaving it on a key is nice, DanaG! Seems like hardly any laptops do that in linux.05:52
happy-suffereri tried adding "sudo" but there's still error messages05:52
bazhangI have seven updates being held back on Hardy and none in the last couple of days; should I force the install of those and then get more as a result? am currently on the -12 kernel which seems much lower than others here05:53
DanaGSometimes I get this odd issue, though: the ACPI temperature will jump up to a bogus reading of 70 or 80 C, and the fans will rev up quite far.  It'll stick that way until I reboot.05:53
akkgutsy broke something about video switching back in january, which is partly why I'm determined to get hardy going (it doesn't seem to have the bug)05:53
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pwnguinhappy-sufferer: for some reason, the chroot can't resolve names =(05:54
happy-suffereruh oh. should we try the second strategy?05:54
akkDoes the chroot have /etc/resolv.conf?05:54
happy-suffererakk, how do you mean?05:54
akkhappy-sufferer: /etc/resolv.conf is how it figures out the nameserver for getting hostnames05:55
happy-suffererakk, so how do i find out the answer to the question?05:55
akkhappy-sufferer: so if you didn't copy that from your working system, that would explain name resolution not working05:55
bazhangany conjectures on the held back updates and whether I should force them or not? am still on the -12 kernel which seems odd05:55
akkhappy-sufferer: cat /etc/resolv.conf05:55
happy-suffererakk:  do i do that from the chroot terminal, or from a regular terminal (xubuntu 8.04 beta)05:56
happy-sufferer?05:56
Jordan_Ubazhang, Try a "sudo apt-get update" , the OpenOffice problems should be fixed05:56
happy-suffererakk, # generated by NetworkManager, do not edit! <--- from within the chroot terminal05:56
akkhappy-sufferer: Do one from the chroot terminal, and another from a non-chroot terminal, and see if they're the same.05:56
pwnguinhappy-sufferer: and something like "nameserver 192.168.1.1"?05:56
happy-suffererthey're different.05:56
akkhappy-sufferer: Okay, then from a non-chrooted root terminal, cp /etc/resolv.conf /mnt/sda1/etc/resolv.conf05:57
akk(if I'm remembering right where this thing is mounted)05:57
happy-suffererpwnguin:  you mean to see whether "nameserver xx.xx.xx.xx" is in the cat printout?05:57
pwnguinjust follow akk's directions on that. it looks plausible05:58
happy-suffererakk: i added "sudo" and did your command.05:58
pwnguinhappy-sufferer: try the apt-get update now05:58
graft_can someone help me out with cmake? I'm building this thing that says it needs Xine 1.1.9, which I have installed, and I can't figure out what CMake does to determine if it's installed (ergo where it's going wrong)05:58
happy-suffererit's working, pwnguin, akk!05:58
akkyay!05:58
happy-suffereryou guys are amazing05:59
* akk gets distracted by a raccoon at the door05:59
happy-suffererinto IT consulting, akk?05:59
DanaGwtf?05:59
akkhappy-sufferer: Yes, though generally not tech support calls :)05:59
DanaGquodlibet won't play anything now!05:59
DanaGThu Apr  3 21:59:31 2008: GStreamer encountered a general resource error.05:59
bazhangJordan_U: thanks; I tried that and the same result--perhaps the fact I have not gone to kde4 is the reason so much is held back05:59
happy-suffererapt-get update is now done, akk, pwnguin06:00
Fritzelok really easy question for you guys, how do I change the clock in kubuntu hardy to a 12 hour clock06:00
pwnguinalrighty. that brought the data about packages into your old install. now we have to make a choice. the proper way to this would be to have apt download the packages only, then reboot to install them all, but you'll be without net during the actual install06:00
happy-suffererwell, i won't need the net during install, right? and, if my hunches are correct, my wireless pci card will work with ubuntu 8.04 beta (as it does with Xubuntu 8.04 beta).06:01
pwnguinright06:01
alex_mayorgaJordan_U, failed to load module "type1"06:01
happy-suffererso what did you say about choice? what was the other option?06:01
pwnguinthe other option is we upgrade the system from the chroot and hope nothing terrible happens06:02
happy-suffererand anyway, the install will not affect the xubuntu 8.04 beta partition, right?06:02
pwnguinright06:02
pwnguinif it fails, you should be able to just reboot06:02
pwnguinand jump back into xubuntu06:02
bazhanghappy-sufferer: you all set now? ;]06:03
pwnguinin that case from the chroot run "apt-get dist-upgrade -d"06:03
happy-suffererpwnguin: akk, what's the better option: upgrade system from chroot OR download packages first in xubuntu and then reboot into ubuntu 7.10 and then install from there?06:03
happy-suffererhi bazhang, good to see you.06:03
bazhanghappy-sufferer: told you to come here ;]06:03
pwnguinim starting to think that download first is the better option here, and that command should download them only06:03
happy-suffererpwnguin: ok. let's take that route, if you think it's better/safer.06:04
happy-suffererready for orders, captain. 8-)06:04
akkI suspect pwnguin's right, downloading first is safer.06:04
pwnguinhappy-sufferer: from the chroot run "apt-get dist-upgrade -d"06:04
pwnguin-d tells apt to download only06:04
akkThere might be a few packages that would like to talk to the net, but most won't need it.06:04
happy-suffererakk, great.06:05
happy-suffererok here goes. 766 mb of archives to get.06:05
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happy-suffererakk: those "few packages that need the net" can wait until after the upgrade, correct?06:06
pwnguinprobably06:06
akkhappy-sufferer: yeah, they should be okay06:06
happy-suffererthanks.06:06
pwnguinanyways, once that's done in a few hours or whatever06:06
happy-suffereroh yeah, it takes that long, eh?06:06
White_Magicwas the problem fixed yet?06:07
akkubuntu's actual installer has a hissy fit if it can't see a net, but installing packages shouldn't really need it06:07
happy-suffererI guess I should ask you now what the remaining steps are06:07
pwnguinyou should just be able to reboot, log in and run "sudo apt-get dist-upgrade"06:07
happy-suffererpwnguin: log in to the Ubuntu 7.04, correct?06:07
White_MagicDid they fix the kernal problem?06:07
happy-sufferersorry.06:07
happy-suffereri meant ubuntu 7.1006:07
happy-sufferer correct?06:07
DanaG!aptitude06:07
ubotuaptitude is another terminal-based front-end to APT. Like other APT front-ends, it can install/remove packages and their dependencies (on Dapper and earlier, however, only aptitude keeps track of unused dependencies). See https://help.ubuntu.com/community/AptitudeSurvivalGuide06:07
DanaGncurses UI rocks!06:07
pwnguinhappy-sufferer: yes06:08
happy-suffererafter i do  "sudo apt-get dist-upgrade" from within ubuntu7.10, what next.06:08
pwnguinwell, you answer questions the install might ask06:08
akkthere'll probably be a lot of questions06:08
pwnguinyou know06:09
pwnguinthe gui installer will probably notice as well06:09
pwnguinthat there's updates available06:09
happy-suffereroh, i don't remember there being questions when i upgraded last time. but it's probably my faulty memory06:09
pwnguinhappy-sufferer: well maybe you'll be lucky. i always get questions about conf files06:10
happy-suffererpwnguin: how would i know what to choose... if i can't connect to the net and ask people like you?06:10
White_MagicAnyone Here me? Yesturday we where complaining about Problems with kernal and restricted modules06:10
pwnguinhappy-sufferer: normally i just go with the package's defaults, unless i know what I changed and that the new chagnes are harmless06:10
White_Magicand you guys where saying was going to be fixed..06:10
happy-suffererok. i see06:10
happy-suffereri'll just click yes, or hit enter, eh?06:10
pwnguinheh06:10
pwnguinthe diffs should give you a clue06:10
pwnguinif the only + lines have #'s on them, it's just a comment that you can ignore06:11
happy-suffererdiffs? what are you referring to. I'm lost06:11
akkhappy-sufferer: The defaults will mostly keep your current version -- it might be better to take the package maintainer's version in cases where you don't know.06:11
akkhappy-sufferer: It gives you those two options, plus an option to see the differences between the two06:12
akkhappy-sufferer: If you don't understand a question, then the diffs probably won't help06:12
happy-suffererdefault would keep curret version as opposed to a newer version?06:12
alex_mayorgaJordan_U, failed to load module "nvidia" (module does not exist, 0)06:12
akkright, default keeps current version06:12
happy-suffererakk:  isn't newer better, generally speaking/06:13
happy-suffererL06:13
happy-sufferer?06:13
* DanaG takes his laptop outside, and watches the GDM theme get a sunburn.06:13
DanaGHAH!06:13
pwnguinhappy-sufferer: newer can mean losing your customizations06:13
DanaG... oh wait, it's nighttime.06:13
akkhappy-sufferer: especially for networking, you don't necessarily want the current version since it isn't working :)06:13
DanaGHah.06:13
happy-suffererpwnguin: i don't mind losing my customizations. BTW, what customizations are you talking about?06:13
akkhappy-sufferer: but like pwnguin says, if there's anything you might have customized, you'd want to keep that06:13
pwnguinhappy-sufferer: well, like say a custom gdm theme ;)06:13
happy-suffererakk, yes, i got to remmeber that i should NOT choose "Current Version" in "networking" config pages during install.06:14
akkhappy-sufferer: For instance, if you've defined a printer, then installing the default cups files might mean it forgets about your printer06:14
happy-suffererpwnguin: there is one customization that i've made in ubuntu 7.10, and that's with randr (dual monitor setup), but i don't mind losing that customization, and seeing whath 8.04 ubuntu has to offer.06:15
happy-suffererMaybe in some cases "Keep current version" means not enjoying the progress that 8.04 has made over 7.10, correct?06:15
DanaGHint: press 'd' to see differences.06:16
DanaGAnd then complain about 'less' being broken.06:16
pwnguinhappy-sufferer: in my experience, keep the current version means fixing spelling and thats about it =/06:16
DanaGNot a fully-featured terminal in update-manager.06:16
happy-suffererDanaG: who you talking to? me?06:16
akkhappy-sufferer: correct, keep current version may mean not getting an 8.04 updated version06:16
DanaGI guess so.06:16
pwnguinerr, what im trying to say is, most times the diffs are spelling fixes =(06:16
DanaGAbout new config file versions.06:16
happy-suffererpwnguin: oh, i get it now.06:17
happy-suffererjust spelling fixes06:17
pwnguinbut if you havent done anything, you might as well not take the chance06:17
pwnguinonce in a while a big change comes along and you want it06:17
DanaGI want the previous-version gdm theme back -- I mean, I can install it myself, but it's still the now-ugly default.06:18
happy-suffererpwnguin: you mean, i should choose not to keep current version, unless I really have to keep current version.06:18
DanaGThus, it may turn off other people to Ubuntu, if the login screen is ugly.06:18
DanaGOh, and my current desktop theme:06:18
keith-dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg doesn't let me set my screen resolution anymore... is there another way to do it besides just hacking my xorg.conf?06:18
DanaGwww.csc.calpoly.edu/~dgoyette/screenshot-orange-nodoka.png06:18
danuelalex_mayorga: re "not privileged" to mount ntfs, have you seen http://www.ntfs-3g.org/support.html#useroption306:19
pwnguinhappy-sufferer: yea. if there's any doubt at all, take the maintainer's version. you can always reset it up later, as long as the net's working ;)06:20
happy-suffererpwnguin: when you say "mainainer's version" do you mean the opposite of "current version"?06:21
pwnguinyes06:21
happy-sufferergotcha, thanks.06:21
alex_mayorgahow do I completely remove the nvidia module so I can fall back to vesa for good?06:26
DanaGWho decided to change the GDM theme?06:27
DanaGOh, and is there now a wiki page about it?06:28
DanaGAnd has the latest wallpaper been wiki'd?06:28
pwnguinthese are probably questions for #ubuntu-art06:28
pwnguin #ubuntu-artwork06:28
DanaGIs the Heron going to be the default?06:30
DanaGOh yeah, it might look even better with: previous revision GDM, and then wallpaper being a variation (not a way-different color) of that background, with the Heron on top.06:31
alex_mayorgadanuel: did you get it working?06:31
DanaGThe color of the previous-revision GDM theme is more cheerful than the murky color now.06:32
alex_mayorgaDanaG, do you have a NTFS partition lying around?06:32
DanaGYup.06:32
DanaG/dev/sda3 on /media/Vista type fuseblk (rw,nosuid,nodev,noatime,allow_other,blksize=4096)06:32
DanaGodd.... STILL ignoring the nls=utf-8 parameter.06:32
DanaG... and thus files will be missing.06:34
DanaGIt's kinda' hard to play some of my music when the directory simply doesn't appear.06:34
DanaGExample filename:06:35
DanaGor rather, folder:  Music/梶浦由記 - .hack--SIGN Original Sound & Song Track 1/06:36
pwnguinits doing you a favor06:36
DanaGYes, kanji filename -- simply because it's cool.06:36
pwnguinwe both know .hack has no quality music :P06:36
DanaGWell, granted, I haven't listened to those ones in a while.06:36
DanaGThe music from Noir is better.06:37
DanaGBut that's beside the point.06:37
danuelalex_mayorga: no, I'm still investigating... look at https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/ntfs-3g/+bug/20508106:38
ubotuLaunchpad bug 205081 in ntfs-3g "ntfs-3g will mount as root only, breaks mounting as user" [Undecided,New]06:38
alex_mayorgadanuel, I guess we two can confirm that one06:40
danuelYes...06:40
danuelLet's do it,06:40
alex_mayorgaDanaG, can you?06:40
captainhey guys, just done upgrading gutsy to heron, sound has an extreme static in it now like the speakers are blasted , any ideas ?06:40
DanaGhttp://suseforums.net/index.php?showtopic=3991006:40
DanaGI don't mount as user, actually.06:40
DanaGLet me check my external partition... though the journal is likely dirty.06:40
DanaGhttp://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=30782706:41
DanaGYup, dirty volume.06:41
DanaGOh yeah, if I have the same volume in fstab twice, will it try two entries Sequentially?06:42
DanaGOops, caps was from part-tab-completing Sev<tab> accidentally.06:43
DanaGUUID=C4DA9F12DA9EFFBA                           /media/Vista    ntfs-3g defaults,nls=utf8,locale=en_US.UTF-8,rw                         0 006:43
DanaGUUID=C4DA9F12DA9EFFBA                           /media/Vista    ntfs-3g defaults,nls=utf8,locale=en_US.UTF-8,ro                         0 006:43
captainstatic in sound on heron ... anyone ? ...06:43
DanaGntfs-3g REEEEEEEeeeeeeeeeeeally needs a fallback to RO on error.06:43
DanaGEEEEEEeeeeeeeeally.06:43
shasboti am having trouble recording from my microphone06:44
shasbotit plays through the headphones or speakers when i speak into it, but no programs seem to be able to record it06:44
* DanaG wonders whether any conferences are anywhere near the central coast USA.06:44
DanaGIt might be interesting to go to a Linux conference some time.06:45
alex_mayorgadanuel: did you subscribed to the bug?06:45
danuelalex_mayorga: yes06:45
alex_mayorgaDanaG, would you say that the bug is confirm able  then?06:45
DanaGIt didn't mount due to volume being dirty; permissions weren't the issue for me.06:45
DanaGI may try firing up my XP VM and connecting the drive to it to chkdsk, then try again.06:46
DanaGooooooh, cool wallpapers: www.vladstudio.com06:46
DanaGReally random, though -- I really AM random sometimes.06:46
alex_mayorga:)06:46
captainguys, anyone knows what could cause static sound in heron after gutsy upgrade.06:47
alex_mayorgaDanaG, in my case it clearly says "You are not privileged to mount this volume."06:48
DanaGinteresting... audigy2 does float32le.06:48
Daisuke_IdoDanaG, get wallpapers free...  unless you happen to be on widescreen06:48
DanaG... or use the largest, which is widescreen.06:49
captainanyone ... no ? :(06:49
Daisuke_Ido1600x1200 isn't widescreen06:49
DanaGOne of them is.06:50
DanaGOr use Zoom.06:50
akkor crop it in gimp06:50
captainalright ... not a whole lot of help here... thanks anyway.06:50
DanaGwtf? keyboard in vbox is broken.06:51
Ray_Need Help on Totem. Totem is not playing Live mms streams. I'm using Hardy. Strangely in 7.10 totem is working correctly. Am I missing something?06:51
akkcaptain: I don't know, but one thing you could try is using the old kernel to see if it's a kernel problem06:51
jimiridgei use the mplayer mozilla plugin06:51
akk(you'd probably have to copy over the /lib/modules stuff)06:51
jimiridgeor just use something besides totem06:52
jimiridgei think totem sux06:52
jimiridgecopy the stream link and drop in another prog06:52
Ray_Well, in VLC it's working. But I was trying to play that in Totem. In fact in 7.10 totem is playing that link perfectly.06:53
captainakk , got the command to roll back to old kernel ? newb to linux buddy .sorry06:53
akkcaptain: No, I was just talking about copying it from an older release -- no idea if there's a package to formally roll it back06:54
Ray_I was just wondering why it is not working in hardy. The stream is getting downloaded and the first frame is also showing up, but then the video is not moving. Although Totem is responding and it is downloading the stream.06:54
akkcaptain: I tend to have tons of kernels sitting around in /boot06:54
cwilluakk, what's your oldest kernel? :p06:55
cwilluRay_, what's the url?06:56
captainakk so i got the live cd for gutsy , if i mount , whats the command to copy the kernel or where would i find this kernel to copy it to my /boot06:56
akkcwillu: 2.4.something :)06:56
cwilluakk, okay, nvm :p06:56
akkcaptain: If you can mount the live CD, kernels are probably just in /boot there, and the corresponding modules are in /lib/modules06:57
Ray_cwillu : the url is : mms://a150.l2584248272.c25842.g.lm.akamaistream.net/D/150/25842/v0001/reflector:4827206:57
akkcaptain: oh, for ubuntu kernels you'll probably also need the initrd.img from /boot06:57
cwilluRay_, congrats, you just segfaulted my totem :p06:58
Ray_cwillu: I am so sorry. You tried to help me out and this is not what was expected. I am feeling extremely sorry for this.06:58
akkcaptain: Actually, if you haven't done this before it might be more trouble than it's worth06:59
cwilluRay_, heh, I'm just kidding, I don't have anything important running in totem06:59
keith-so anyone have any clue why, after this last update, nvidia isn't in my hardware manager?06:59
cwilludoes it consistently though06:59
Ray_cwillu : I am no expert and have no knowledge in this regard but you can try installing the gstreamer codecs (all) then I believe it will work.06:59
captainakk , yeah i haven't done it before . im willing to give it a shot though, let me ask you this. Can i roll back to Gutsy by any chance ?07:00
cwilluRay_, nah, the fact that it crashes is already a bug (believe I have all the codecs installed already)07:00
Ray_cwillu : That's fine. I am relieved.07:00
akkcaptain: You could try taking a gutsy kernel package and installing it with dpkg -i whatever.deb07:00
Ray_cwillu : yes I think so.07:00
akkcaptain: I don't know if that would work or not, never tried it.07:00
Ray_Because the stream is working correctly in 7.10. The problem is this is not working on VLC. It's only working on Mplayer.07:01
captainHmm, if i start this i know im going to miss work again just like last night. I happen to spend hours reading articles and testing...then oops im 1 hour late to work.07:01
Ray_cwillu : Because the stream is working correctly in 7.10. The problem is this is not working on VLC. It's only working on Mplayer. But there also it is playing and stopping and playing.07:01
ether_cdoes anyone here have an ntfs formatted usb external hard drive working with hardy?07:02
akkcaptain: yeah, that seems to be an occupational hazard of updating distros :(07:02
captainI'll just stick to winblows for now until the official heron is out.07:02
cwilluether_c, not with me right now, but I've have two users that use ntfs usb with hardy07:03
ether_cI'm just trying to figure out why mine isn't working07:03
ether_cit "mounts" and the icon appears on the desktop07:04
ether_cbut the folder is blank07:04
ether_cI had to do a "mount as root" workaround in kubuntu feisty07:04
ether_cbut I'm not sure how to do it in ubuntu hardy07:04
Daisuke_Idochown the mountpoint?07:04
ether_coh, I can access it from the command line07:06
ether_cthat's weird07:06
cwilluether_c, how does it behave under a hardy livecd?07:06
ether_cbut not from nautilus07:06
danuelthere seems to be a big issue with Hardy and mounting/unmounting ntfs ... should this be elevated to an important bug?07:06
cwilluwondering if there's some device history being stored that's screwing you up07:06
ether_ccwillu: I'm not sure, I'm running hardy beta right now07:06
ether_cand I don't have the cd with me07:06
cwilluwell, that's no fun :p07:06
danuelether__c: what "mount as root" workaround did you use?  do you have a link to a step by step how to07:07
ether_cweird, all the folders are highlighted with a green background in the console07:07
ether_cdanuel: this was in kde 3.5, I went to dolphin's options and there was a checkbox that said "mount as user"07:07
ether_cI un-checked it07:07
ether_csorry, I right clicked on the drive, then hit preferences07:08
ether_cthen did that07:08
danuelether__c: do you know if there is a similar option in gnome? ubuntu07:08
ether_cunfortunately that doesn't work in kde4 (I've tried) there's no option07:08
ether_cbut I'm using gnome right now07:08
ether_con a fresh install07:08
ether_cinteresting, if I do an ls -l on the drive from the console, it seems that all the files are 777'd by default07:10
danuelDoes anyone else have a problem with Hardy and NTFS partitions?07:10
ether_cyet I can't "see" them through nautilus07:11
ether_cdoes anyone have ntfs external drives working at all?07:12
jimiridgebah im too good for windows garbage07:13
danuelCommon guys, if we want ubuntu to continue to grow, it has to play nice with ntfs without a glich.07:14
jimiridgebest thing you can do with windows partitions is mkfs.ext3 /dev/windowspartition07:14
ether_cactually, this is an external hard drive07:14
ether_cnot windows specifically07:14
DanaGWe need fallback to RO on failure to RW!07:14
danuelDoes anyone have ability to mount internal ntfs without sudo?07:14
DanaGOtherwise.... things just aren't mounted at all.  That's bad.07:15
danuelDanaG: I forced a mount on a dirty drive by "sudo mount -t ntfs-3g /dev/sda3 /media/sda3 -o force", but it mounted as RO, not RW.  Do you know why?07:16
DanaGneed 'rw' also.07:16
omar_I have a problem with screensavers, they don't work properly, I think it's probably because of Compiz.07:17
DanaG!gnome-screensaver07:19
DanaGit !!!sucks07:19
CyberCodlack of config options sucks yeah07:20
danuelDanaG: how do you unmount in Hardy ?  unmount: command not found!07:20
DanaGjust umount, oddly enough.07:21
CyberCodumount07:21
danuelah ...07:21
danuelspelling.07:21
CyberCod:)07:22
ether_cso, it turns out my drive is mounted after all07:23
ether_cbut it's mounted strangely07:23
ether_cand nautilus doesn't like it07:23
DanaGOdd: http://troy-sobotka.blogspot.com/2008/03/hardy-heron-wallpaper-fela-kuti-botch.html07:23
ether_cbut read/write works07:23
happy-suffererpwnguin: download complete. !07:23
happy-sufferertime to go and apt-get dist-upgrade them, pwnguin. see you soon.07:23
ether_cnautilus reports the filesystem as "fuseblk"07:23
CyberCodHmmm07:24
CyberCodthat IS weird07:24
ether_cI ran ntfsfix on it with no effect07:24
ether_cI can still access it from the command line07:24
CyberCoddoes it have a win install on it?07:24
ether_cwhich is acceptable.. for now I guess07:24
ether_cno, it's just an external drive07:24
CyberCodimportant docs?07:24
ether_cmusic : )07:25
CyberCodah07:25
CyberCodif it were me I'd switch it to ext307:25
CyberCodif you can access it RO you can get your stuff off of it07:26
ether_cthat would work, but I don't think windows supports ext307:26
ether_cand there aren't really any "compromise" filesystems07:26
CyberCodthere's something you can install for that actually07:26
ether_cbecause fat32 would suck for a drive like that07:26
CyberCodhang on I'll find the name of it for you07:26
ether_cbesides, this way I can use it on pretty much any windows pc07:27
bazhangwindows has filedrvers to recognize ext2/ext307:28
CyberCodext2ifs_1_10c07:29
ether_cinteresting07:29
ether_cI'll check that out07:29
CyberCodits an installable filesystem driver07:29
CyberCodworks beautifully07:29
bazhangwww.fs-drivers.org or some such07:29
ether_cthanks, but I'd prefer to get this working on linux07:29
CyberCodthere is also ext2fsd, but it blows because you have to turn on your ext2/3 drives each boot07:30
ether_cI can't exactly install these drivers on random computers that I come across07:30
CyberCodthe ext2ifs is much better07:30
CyberCodtrue true07:30
hiredgoonhttp://www.fs-driver.org/07:30
hiredgoonnice07:30
CyberCodmight just be something wrong with the partition info07:30
CyberCodwhat does gparted say about it?07:31
ether_clemme check07:31
hiredgoonmake a bartpe disc - run chkdsk on it07:31
ether_cgparted says it's ntfs07:31
CyberCodhave you tried re-installing ntfs-3g?07:32
ether_cyou mean apt-get remove ntfs-3g then reinstall it? no07:32
CyberCodworth a shot07:32
ether_cI was curious whether this is a bug or if it's just my particular external ntfs drive07:32
CyberCodcouldn't tell you07:33
ether_cbecause it it's just me, then I'll definitely copy everything off of it and reformat07:33
hiredgoonapt-get remove ntfs-3g --purge  ?07:33
ether_cI'll try it07:33
ether_cno dice, reinstalling ntfs-3g has no effect07:35
CyberCod:(07:35
CyberCodif you can get your music off, you could try re-formatting it to ntfs07:35
ether_cif it means anything to anyone, I had fedora 9 beta on this computer yesterday and it worked fine07:36
ether_cyeah, I may just do that07:36
CyberCodmay just be the 3g then07:36
ether_cthanks for the tips though07:36
CyberCodno problem07:36
CyberCodsorry I wasn't more effective helper07:36
zcat[1]just for the record; I had major issues with my mp3 player .. it was much happier when I changed the partition form 'b' (W95 fat32) to 'c' (win95 fat32 lba)07:37
jimiridgebah mplayer -co caca is kinda glitched07:37
zcat[1]I don't think ntfs has different partition types though07:38
hiredgoonwhat ntfs is it?  like did xp make the filesystem or what?07:38
zcat[1]curse microsoft and their non-standard standards!07:39
pwnguinjimiridge: you just need to pass CACA_GEOMETRY to it07:40
CyberCodso how is the pulse audio thing working out?07:40
ether_chiredgoon: it was ntfs when I bought it from the store right out of the package07:40
ether_cbut windows has "touched" it before07:41
ether_clinux "touched" it first though07:41
zcat[1]I'd never trust something preformatted.. seen too many stories of mp3 platers with pre-installed viruses :)07:42
zcat[1]*players07:42
jimiridgelike black isnt black its all colors07:42
hiredgoonether_c: argh07:43
hiredgooni'd make a bartpe disc and run a chkdsk on it - you need a windows cd tho07:44
ethana3Is firefox3 beta5 in repos yet?07:49
ethana3...I immediately downloaded it and am running it form a folder in my home now07:49
ethana3...so I don't /really/ have to wait for it07:49
ethana3....but I'd like to get rid of that folder soon07:50
ethana3so my stuff will work right (plugins, etc.)07:50
ethana3 'course, it's not like going from 69 to 71 on acid3 is /that/ big a change07:50
ethana3..but still07:50
ethana3beta4 is always crashing on me07:51
ether_cethana3: you could always install konqueror07:53
ether_cwhich should score you a nice 10007:53
ether_cack07:54
ether_cmy bad07:54
ether_c9007:54
ether_cnot 10007:54
ether_cand that's with webkit07:54
wilbertGood morning to all from a grey skyed Holland07:54
ethana3ether_c: it comes with the latest?07:55
ethana3ohh07:55
ethana3...or webkit epiphany07:55
ethana3I may do that soon07:55
jaffarkelshacdoes anyone know how to get my lcd brightness control back after update+reboot08:00
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HendriXXXanyone have strange crashes/lockups with hardy heron? only thing what works after freeze is my mouse.. any ideas howto fix that?08:02
PedanticSteveanyone here using Evolution 2.22 and having trouble with connecting to exchange?  (or not having trouble connecting)?08:02
happy-suffereris there a way i could run apt-get update on a partition that I have?08:04
* dwidmann is away: Gone away for now.08:04
pwnguinhappy-sufferer: you could chroot into it08:06
x1250happy-sufferer: you'll have to chroot08:06
happy-suffererpwnguin: you're back!08:07
pwnguini never left ;)08:07
FinnishHmmm, latest kernel *ucked up my bluetooth?08:07
pwnguini just stopped paying attention briefly08:07
happy-suffererinstall finished but wireless pci card still won't work on the new ubuntu 8.04 partition, even after i did all the same  things as on Xubuntu 8.04. 8-(08:07
pwnguindoes xubuntu use network manager?08:08
happy-suffererpwnguin: i did the sudo apt-get dist-upgrade while logged into the 7.04ubuntu partition. then i saw a notification applet saying that it needs to download stuff. i thought maybe if it were able to upgrade, maybe, just maybe, my wireless pci card will work in ubuntu8.04 as it does on xubuntu8.04.08:08
x1250hey guys, I have ubuntu-sounds installed, but when I go to preferences -> sounds, tab sounds and click on play, I here nothing. I _do_ have sound, but not from ubuntu-sounds theme, no login or logout music.08:09
happy-suffererpwnguin: yes, xubuntu uses same network manager. (called "network settings")08:09
pwnguinyou sure its nm and not a different tool?08:09
happy-suffererpwnguin: but the way i made wireless pci card work on xubuntu 8.04 is not by going to network manager, but by running the commands in terminal08:09
pwnguinyou'll probably have to continue doing that =/08:10
pwnguinnetwork manager uses some extended wireless stuff that some drivers dont support / like08:10
pwnguinsignal strength etc08:10
happy-suffererthe commands i ran on xubuntu successfully (and on ubuntu 8.04 AND 7.10 unsuccessfully) are at http://pastebin.com/d5e2b017608:10
happy-suffereri thought that if Xubuntu 8.04 will allow me to get onto the internet, surely Ubuntu 8.04 also will.08:11
pwnguinah. ndiswrapper08:11
pwnguinyou're making me regret returning ;)08:11
happy-suffererpwnguin: yes! ndiswrapper, and using inf and sys files on the install CD (For windows computers)08:11
happy-suffererpwnguin: returning to this irc channel?08:11
happy-suffererpwnguin: that's the only way i have found to make my wireless internet work so far.08:12
happy-suffereri prefer not to use ndiswrapper, but i'm a newbie.08:12
pwnguinhappy-sufferer: ive never been able to make ndiswrapper work08:12
pwnguinfor some it seems to be an only option08:12
happy-suffererwell, is there a way we can make a non-ndiswrapper option work?08:12
pwnguini doubt it08:12
happy-sufferermy wireless card is pictured at http://snipurl.com/23aff08:13
owen1i got updates and now i can't see the UI after I enter user/password. any ideas?08:13
happy-suffererpwnguin: so i'm really really puzzed: Why can wireless internet/card work in Xubunu 8.04 but NOT in Ubuntu 8.04?08:13
owen1i see the brown backgroud..08:13
happy-suffererWouldn't you think it would work in Ubuntu8.04 if it works in Xubuntu8.04?08:14
pwnguinhappy-sufferer: did you set up ndiswrapper again?08:14
happy-suffererpwnguin: yes, all the same steps08:14
pwnguinthats pretty funny08:14
pwnguinafaik, that shouldn't happen08:14
happy-suffererpwnguin: yeah, that's what i'm thinking08:14
pwnguinyou'll have to get someone else to help you with ndiswrapper, as I'm clueless on it08:15
pwnguinon the other hand08:15
pwnguinyou could always apt-get install ubuntu-desktop from xubuntu08:15
happy-suffererpwnguin: that's an idea08:15
pwnguinthey use the same repos08:15
happy-suffereri guess it might work.08:15
happy-suffererit should work, eh?08:15
pwnguinyea08:16
happy-sufferershall we do that? pls advise how.08:16
happy-sufferer8-)08:16
PedanticSteveanyone here using Evolution in Hardy and trying to connect to exchange?  I am having issues getting it to work.  Says bad username orpassword, but I connect to OWA with the same username/password just fine08:16
pwnguinive done something similar to try out kubnutu08:16
pwnguinhappy-sufferer: it should be as easy as "apt-get install ubuntu-desktop"08:16
owen1i see brown screen after i log in...can't see any UI... anyone?08:16
pwnguinthen when you log in, you may need to change the "session" to GNOME08:16
happy-suffererthen if it works, i'll uninstall the current ubunu8.04 partition(sda1), and have the to-be-installed Ubuntu8.04(overXubuntu8.04, sda6) partition "stretch out" over the whole hard drive again.08:17
happy-suffererpwnguin: ok08:17
pwnguinhappy-sufferer: sounds like you have a plan ;)08:17
happy-suffererpwnguin: here goes another 3 hours.08:17
happy-sufferer8-)08:17
pwnguinheh08:17
pwnguinima go watch naruto / play smash bros08:18
omar_I have a problem with screensavers, they don't work properly, I think it's probably because of Compiz.08:18
happy-suffererok. how can i reach you when you're not online at IRC?08:18
happy-suffererpwnguin: is there a special way to leave messages on IRC?08:18
PedanticSteveomar_: I am using compiz and my screensavers work fine... I tested out a few of htem.  and I am using many features in compiz08:18
owen1can't see UI..got to work with this laptop tomorrow. please help.08:19
doolzhappy-sufferer:  /msg pwnguin08:19
happy-suffererafter i install Ubuntu8.04 over Xubuntu8.04, how do I remove everything Xubuntu-ish in computer?08:19
happy-suffererdoolz: will that work even if pwnguin is offline?08:19
omar_PedanticSteve: Wow, then how come me screensavers are screwed up?? :D08:19
PedanticSteveomar_: what do you mean that they do not work properly?08:20
omar_PedanticSteve: I'm using a lot of Compiz features as well08:20
doolzhappy-sufferer: I dunno08:20
happy-suffereroh, by the way, is there a way to "upgrade" from Xubuntu 8.04 32bit to Ubuntu8.04 64bit, without using a CD, and without too much problems?08:20
omar_PedanticSteve: They don't appear almost at all, and they blink too.08:21
owen1anyone got issues with the UI after getting updates today?08:23
owen1i think my nautilus is not running, or somthing similar.08:23
owen1whet typing nautilus in terminal i get a lot of errors. at the end it say: aborted (core dumped).08:26
x1250do you guys have any login/logout sound from ubuntu sound theme?08:26
owen1guys. this is sos. anyone can help with serious UI issue?08:27
x1250owen1: I really dont have any idea about your problem, but you could paste the errors on pastebin so someone can check it out08:28
owen1x1250: i have nothing but terminal working. not sure what error i can paste...08:29
happy-suffererpwnguin: hello.08:30
CyberCodowen, a couple basic things to try...  CTRL+ALT+F708:30
happy-suffererpwnguin:  what's the Ubuntu equivalent of Step 3, 4, and 5 on http://www.instantfundas.com/2007/08/install-any-linux-distro-directly-from.html?08:30
CyberCodor type in  "startx"08:30
x1250owen1: try creating another user and see if that works ok, so if it does, wipe out your gnome config for your user....08:30
owen1how do i do it from the terminal?08:30
x1250adduser someuser08:30
owen1x1250: how do i do it from the terminal08:31
x1250are you in X?08:31
happy-suffererhi, people,  what's the Ubuntu equivalent of Step 3, 4, and 5 on http://www.instantfundas.com/2007/08/install-any-linux-distro-directly-from.html?08:31
owen1x1250: not sure. i can open apps from the terminal.08:31
owen1x1250: but can't open nautilus.08:32
x1250like what apps?08:32
owen1x1250: firefox08:32
owen1x1250: open office08:32
owen1x1250: but i can't see the gnome menus etc08:32
CyberCoddo you have any panels at all? or a background?08:34
owen1CyberCod: ctrl+alt+f7 did't do anything..08:34
x1250ok, then try adding another user and see if it has the same problems as your user. If it does, I would just delete all gnome related stuff for the user with problems. You'll loose your desktop configuration, but.... well... nobody is perfect08:34
owen1CyberCod: no. nada08:34
CyberCodk08:34
owen1x1250: how do i do that?08:34
CyberCodstartx ?08:34
x1250$ sudo su08:34
FinnishHow to add latest Bluez-utilities to Hardy?08:34
x1250# adduser someuser08:34
owen1CyberCod: do u want me to type it in terminal?08:35
CyberCodyeah type it and press enter08:35
x1250or $ sudo adduser someuser08:35
CyberCodit should either start the graphical or give you some error messages08:35
owen1x1250: 1 sec, x1250..i am trying to start x08:36
owen1CyberCod: X: user not authorized to run the X server, aborting.08:36
CyberCodnot authorized?08:36
CyberCodhuh08:36
CyberCodtype logout and press enter08:37
owen1CyberCod: xinit: unexpected signal 208:37
CyberCodthere's something08:37
owen1CyberCod: it tells me to use exit.08:37
owen1CyberCod: should i try?08:37
CyberCodah08:37
x1250owen1: what did you do? steps?08:37
CyberCodok use exit08:38
CyberCodpoint is to log out and try to log back in08:38
owen1CyberCod: ok. trying. i am doing all this from another machine, so i can talk here on irc.08:38
CyberCodyou can also try loggin into the new user that x1250 told you to make08:38
CyberCodI had guessed,08:39
jaffarkelshachas the new kernal broken anyones system, i have lot lcd brightness control, how do i get it bak08:39
CyberCodunless you were using finch in terminal08:39
CyberCod;)08:39
owen1CyberCod: after doing 'exit' the terminal was closed and i saw the brown screen again.08:40
x1250jaffarkelshac: last time I checked there were some packages missing for kernel -13. Try with -12 or something.08:40
CyberCodbrown screen?08:40
CyberCodthe desktop?08:41
owen1CyberCod: now when i open katapult i can't go back to terminal...08:41
jaffarkelshacthe one i have is -1408:41
owen1CyberCod: it's brown. but no menu, nothing.08:41
CyberCodk08:41
CyberCodnew computer?08:41
owen1CyberCod: i'll restart.08:41
CyberCodfast?08:41
CyberCodwait a moment08:41
owen1CyberCod: vaio. i put 8.04 instead of vista.08:41
CyberCodk, shouldn't take long08:42
owen1CyberCod: it worked great for 2 days...08:42
CyberCodto get desktop loaded08:42
CyberCodits only a couple weeks til 8.04 is finished...08:42
CyberCodimpatient?08:42
x1250jaffarkelshac: check for the restricted-modules package for -1408:42
owen1CyberCod: today i got updates and just restarted....08:42
CyberCodgo ahead and restart08:43
CyberCodsee if anything is different08:43
jaffarkelshachow x125008:43
owen1CyberCod: ok08:43
CyberCoddo you have a proprietary driver for an nvidia card?08:43
owen1CyberCod: are u talking to me?08:44
CyberCodyep08:44
x1250jaffarkelshac: try something like $ aptitude search linux-restricted-modules-`uname -r`, or similar08:44
CyberCodif the driver is proprietary, it would get broken by a kernel upgrade08:44
owen1CyberCod: wait. now i see the username screen.08:44
CyberCodooooh08:44
CyberCodgood luck08:44
owen1CyberCod: after i'll type the password i'll see the brown screen again.08:45
owen1CyberCod: and only through katapult i'll access terminal.08:45
CyberCodgnome or kde?08:45
owen1CyberCod: gnome08:46
CyberCodthen you need nautilus08:46
CyberCodk08:46
owen1CyberCod: i hear the music...08:46
CyberCodtype CTRL+ALT+F308:46
CyberCodwell if it doesn't work type that08:46
owen1CyberCod: and....brown screen08:46
CyberCodk08:46
CyberCodtype that08:46
CyberCodand it will change to a tty terminal08:46
frostux:s08:47
owen1CyberCod: ok. i typed ctr+alt+f308:47
dotechif i just booted ubuntu without a mouse, how can i shutdown with the keyboard only? :)08:47
CyberCodlog in there08:47
dotechwas just testing the hardware on this new pc to make sure things worked08:47
frostuxhi guys08:47
owen1CyberCod: ok08:47
x1250dotech: sudo reboot?08:47
CyberCodtype in "nautilus" and hit enter08:47
dotechwell im at the desktop08:47
owen1can i revert the last updated i got?08:47
CyberCodthen type CTRL+ALT+F7 to get back to the graphical08:48
frostuxsmall question, I used to add a parameter to a max_cstate file under sys to get rid of some CPU whining, where is that file now? :s08:48
x1250ALT-F2 gnome-console or konsole, then reboot. Or CTRL+ALT+F2 and login/reboot08:48
dotechx1250, thanks08:48
dotechthat did it08:48
owen1CyberCod: when i type nautilus i get: can't open display08:48
CyberCodsounds like you need to reconfigure x08:49
CyberCodcan't remember the commands for that off the top of my head08:49
owen1CyberCod: and it tells me to try --help08:49
x1250owen1: why dont you create a new user and test it?08:49
owen1x1250: ok. i am ready.08:50
CyberCodsorry man, I'm stumped... X is obviously working since you have the brown screen08:50
CyberCodso it probably is your gnome settings08:50
geekaholicHi all, I can't seem to be able to find apache2, bind9 or samba server packages on Ubuntu+108:50
owen1CyberCod: no problem. thank so much for trying.08:50
geekaholicHere is my sources.list http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/62099/08:50
owen1x1250: can u tell me the commands?08:50
geekaholicI can install normal desktop packages but server packages seem 2 be missing08:50
x1250CTRL+ALT+F2, login, then $ sudo adduser someuser08:51
frostuxmax_cstate, gone, where, halp :s08:51
PedanticStevegeekaholic:are you using "add/remove" or synaptic?08:51
owen1x1250: ok. what's next?08:52
owen1x1250: i created a user.08:52
x1250$ sudo /etc/init.d/gdm restart, and login with your new user08:52
geekaholicPedanticSteve: tried apt, aptitude and add/remove08:53
geekaholicaptitude search apache2 gives me nothing08:54
owen1x1250: wait. it asked me te enter a new unix password...08:54
x1250yep, do that, any password, just remember it for login in afterwards08:54
owen1x1250: ok08:55
x1250geekaholic: # aptitude update ? and if not, faulty repo?08:55
x1250it works in here...08:55
owen1x1250: i logged in and now i see black screen (with the mouse) instead of brown. the problem is that now i don't have katapult...so can't open terminal...08:57
frostuxgah, no one who can help a poor laptop user with his cpu whining? :\08:58
x1250the black screen is a terminal?08:58
owen1x1250: no08:58
owen1x1250: it's like the brown, but black.08:59
x1250did some packages got uninstalled when you did the upgrade?08:59
owen1x1250: i have no idea...08:59
owen1x1250: can i get updates again or revert back?09:00
x1250what does this command returns? $ aptitude search "^gnome" | grep "^i"09:02
owen1x1250: 30 lines of text..09:04
geekaholicx1250: u were right. Updating it fixed the issue. Must've been faulty at the time i updated (yesterday)09:04
owen1x1250: gnome-about, gnome-accessibility-themes etc............09:04
geekaholicx1250: thanks09:04
CyberCodnite ppl09:05
owen1x1250: looks like it returns all the gnome components.09:05
x1250Uhm09:06
x1250what about .xsession-errors on the new user?09:07
x1250cat /home/newuser/.xsession-errors09:07
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x1250or use more, or less09:07
owen1x1250: long text.  too long to go to top. i see some warnings and fails. like glib and gnome panel.09:10
x1250do you have gnome-panel installed?09:10
owen1x1250: don't know09:11
owen1i can apt-get09:11
owen1x1250: do u want me to do apt-get?09:11
x1250try apt-cache policy gnome-panel09:11
owen1x1250: installed: 1:2.22.0-0ubuntu309:12
__doc__howdy. two questions. 1) why can't I update my hardy installation anymore (tells me to do a partial update, which fails too) 2) any idea how to get the modlines for a automatically (correctly) recognized monitor (the background is that my second monitor is the exact same model, but fails to report the edid, hence it doesn't get recognized, hence it only gets a crappy choice of resolutions/frequenzies)09:13
x1250how did you upgrade? with aptitude? synaptic? I dont know if synaptic uses aptitude (I think it does not), but there is an aptitude log in /var/log09:13
owen1x1250: 500 http://us.archive.ubuntu.com/hardy/main .....09:13
x1250maybe you can check if something went wrong with aptitude when you upgraded09:13
owen1x1250: i used the graphical thingy. it tells me if new updates are available.09:14
owen1gedit /var/log ?09:14
x1250can you execute synaptic from the old (not the new) user?09:14
jaffarkelshachow do i stop shared folders mounting on desktop all the time, its messy09:15
x1250-> /var/log/aptitude09:15
x1250synaptic has a history also, you can check that out if you can execute it09:15
owen1x1250: wait. i am in synaptic.09:15
owen1x1250: what should i do?09:16
x1250are you checking out synaptic history log?09:17
owen1x1250: where is it?09:17
x1250in "File" menu09:17
__doc__I guess what I really need to know is, how do you get the modlines a driver for a recognized monitor would use (so you can set them manually in xorg.conf)09:18
owen1x1250: ok. there are around 100 upgrades/new installations at the last update (that required restart)09:20
owen1i can open firefox and email it. or pastie.09:20
x1250okay, pastebin.ca09:21
owen1x1250:09:21
owen1x1250: ok09:21
x1250__doc__: modlines are vertical and horizontal refresh rates?09:21
__doc__x1250: no, modelines are stuff like that:  Modeline "1920x1200@85"     268.60 1920 1936 2096 2528 1200 1201 1204 1250  -hsync -vsync09:23
x1250Ah :(09:23
__doc__they're kind esoteric to generate, usually it's just about hopeless to get the values right, it's why there's somewhere in debian/ubuntu some mechanism to support them.09:24
__doc__if the edid is reported for a monitor, and if a monitor driver is present it's all taken care of.09:24
__doc__otherwise you get the vesa modelines09:25
owen1x1250: http://pastebin.ca/97077809:25
x1250yeah, I saw them once when trying to get my monitor and vga running, but I don't know anything about them09:25
__doc__but they're crap at higher resolutions.09:25
__doc__so I need the modelines the driver has for my working monitor (that reports the edid) and apply them to the one who doesn't report the edid09:25
x1250owen1: can you comment the "hiddenmenu" option in /boot/grub/menu.lst and select an old kernel when booting? It should be -> # hiddenmenu09:31
x1250see if you have any other kernel to boot,09:31
owen1ok09:32
x1250when booting dont select 2.6.24-14, try an old version09:32
owen1x1250: i only had 5 options, 4 of them say: 2.6.24-14 but some were safemode or something similar. the fifth option say: development version or something similar. i choose it...not sure why.09:36
owen1i see blue screen with numbers running. it's 9% now.09:38
owen1x1250: should i reboot and choose something else?09:39
x1250that blue screen is gdm?09:39
owen1x1250: no. it's like dos.09:39
owen1x1250: remind me windos bios.09:39
x1250its booting without the usplash image? No ubuntu image when booting? maybe its checking the hardrive¿09:40
owen1i think this is for testing by developers09:40
owen1x1250: yes. no ubuntu image. just blue screen. it's 15%.09:41
saltedlightdid you check the boot order on bios?09:41
x125015% of what? any text?09:41
owen1saltedlight: r u talking to me?09:41
saltedlightyes owen109:41
owen1it say Memtest8609:41
x1250oh, lol, get out of there09:41
owen1v.1.7009:41
owen1ok09:42
owen1what option should i choose? 1-409:42
x1250you say your system got screwed up after THAT update you pasted in pastebin?09:42
owen1x1250: correct. after reboot.09:42
owen1should i try recovery mode?09:43
owen1(options 2 or 4)09:44
x1250ok, look try this: # aptitude search `uname -r` to see what kernel packages you got installed. Then search for the same packages but version 2.6.24-12 and install those. Then reboot and choose 2.6.24-12 kernel to boot. Maybe something got screwed when updating the kernel packages, but I don't know really...09:44
x1250#aptitude search `uname -r` | grep "^i"09:45
x1250thats better09:45
owen1ok09:45
x1250you'll see some packages like linux-image, linux-headers, restricted modules, etc09:46
x1250try installing those same packages but from version 2.6.24-1209:46
owen1no results09:47
x1250for what?09:47
owen1the command u told me09:48
owen1aptitude search...09:48
owen1i did apt-get update09:49
owen1just in case.09:49
owen1maybe they released an update that fix it..09:50
x1250ok, try this # aptitude install linux-headers-2.6.24-12-generic linux-image-2.6.24-12-generic linux-restricted-modules-2.6.24-12-generic linux-ubuntu-modules-2.6.24-12-generic09:50
owen1it could not find the image.09:53
owen1 linux-image-2.6.24-12-generic09:54
owen1oops09:54
owen1wait09:54
owen1done but 0 changes09:55
owen11 not upgraded.09:55
x1250which one?09:56
owen1it say: coreutils09:57
owen1have been kept back: coreutils09:58
x1250ok, but its not related. Did you install the 2.6.24-12 version?09:58
|DuReX|i'm getting 'Failed to initialize HAL!'09:59
|DuReX|any id's ?09:59
owen1it say 0 packages upgraded, 0 newly installed, 0 to remove and 1 not upgraded.10:00
|DuReX|http://pastebin.com/m4b165b6410:02
|DuReX|seems like a crashing HAL, any id's :s10:02
x1250owen1: what is the result when you do a # aptitude search  linux-image-2.6.24-12-generic | grep "^i" ?10:02
owen1http://pastebin.ca/97079310:05
x1250ok, try rebooting and selecting that kernel, the first one that is 2.6.24-1210:06
owen1ok10:06
owen1got it. 1 sec10:07
owen1crossing my fingers.10:07
owen1didn't help..)-:10:09
x1250Then I'm out of ideas :(10:09
owen1x1250: i'll reinstall it and maybe not get any updates...10:10
owen1what do u think?10:10
x1250Reinstall, but get the updates, there's nothing wrong with that. Try using # aptitude safe-upgrade most of the time, and full-upgrade with caution10:12
owen1x1250: ok. thanks for the help!10:13
x1250okay, np10:13
owen1x1250: great community here10:13
x1250Man, I come from debian! :)10:13
x1250I have ubuntu on my notebook :D10:14
Tuv0kW: Failed to fetch http://us.archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/dists/hardy-security/Release  Unable to find expected entry  web/binary-i386/Packages in Meta-index file (malformed Release file?)10:20
mhollisjrI have an issue with something that runs when I login to kubuntu hardy, it will just pause for 30 seconds or so while it does whatever it's doing, how can I find otu what the problem is? my Autostart directory is empty10:23
mhollisjrit happens everytime I login, even if the system is fully up and running10:23
Ngmhollisjr: 30 second pauses are very often caused by DNS lookups - maybe something is trying to do a DNS lookup on your hostname or something, before you have a network connection10:26
mhollisjrNg: it's pausing the whole interface though, I wouldn't think it would do that would it?10:26
Ngit depends how low level the bit that's hanging is10:27
mhollisjrok well is networking shutdown when I log out?10:27
mhollisjrbecause it happens if I logout and back in again too10:28
Nghmm, I'm not sure how KDE does that, sorry10:28
mhollisjr-nod- no worries10:28
mhollisjrit only does it at login, which is annoying, but tolerable10:29
bazhangany one else having probs with ff3 and sound on youtube?10:29
KAMI_WorkHi!10:30
bazhangdoes disabling pulseaudio do it if so?10:30
KAMI_WorkHow can I use Java in browser on 64 bit enabled machine/Ubuntu 8.04?10:30
KAMI_WorkIcedTea generates segfault10:30
KAMI_WorkDo anyone has working solution for this?10:31
nekostaros[Linux 2.6.24-14-generic - Debian lenny/sid - Ubuntu DISTRIB_ID=Ubuntu ( http://www.ubuntu.com )] | up[18 minutes] | cpu[Intel(R) Core(TM)2 Quad CPU    Q6600  @ 2.40GHz SMP (4 processors), 2400.033 MHz (19204.44 bogomips)] | chipset[Intel Corporation 82G33/G31/P35/P31 Express DRAM Controller (rev 02)] | video[nVidia Corporation GeForce 8600 GT (rev a1) at 1680x1050 (32 bits)] | opengl[GeForce 8600 G10:32
nekostarT/PCI/SSE2 powered by NVIDIA Corporation with driver 2.1.2 NVIDIA 169.12] | xchat[Version: 2.8.4] | [sysinfo-dg 1.1-DocTrax_1.46]10:32
nekostarlol10:32
nekostardid a dirty upgrade10:32
nekostar:>10:32
nekostarmostly working fine10:32
nekostarthough when numlock on it does the home/pageup and stuff and when off does numbers10:32
nekostarany fix for me?10:32
eldariaHmm I think one of the resent upgrades broke Flashsupport in Konqueror again.10:40
eldariaanyone else had the same?10:40
Duskinhey10:44
Duskinso i just installed 8.04 and it came with firefox 3 beta4, what's the easiest way to update it to beta510:45
Duskinit doesnt appear in the package manager10:45
orvokkiWaiting for it? ;>10:45
Duskinbeta5 is already out10:46
orvokkiEh...10:46
orvokkiPrograms don't get packaged and put into Ubuntu by magic right after release.10:46
orvokkiThere might be some community package although as I said, the *easiest* way is to wait.10:47
Duskinso if i grab the files off the mozilla website and install that way, will it still be able to be updated thru package manager?10:47
Duskinlater on i mean10:47
DarkMageZDuskin, grab it off mozilla site and run it. don't worry about installing. the ubuntu guys will probably update firefox 3 to beta 5 soon enough.10:49
muszekDuskin: it's not recommended.  Just wait a few days.  b4 was in repos quite quickly10:49
Duskinah ok10:49
Duskini guess ill just wait a couple days10:49
Duskinthx guys10:50
muszekI remember feeling uncomfortable because of not having the latest soft in repos right away when I switched from windows10:51
muszekbut the benefits of package management are sooo much greater10:52
Duskinyea, i love the package management10:53
Duskini just came from windows xp10:53
bazhangnewer is not always better ;]10:54
Duskini know10:54
bazhangwitness vista ;]10:54
Duskini insalled 8.04 because i figured it's so close to release i might as well have10:55
muszeklol :).  but usually it is... and it took me some time to stop really being anxious about installing "the latest beta", because it came out last night.10:55
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seanhIs there a DVD for the hardy beta, or can I just burn the installation CD image to a DVD? I don't have any blank CDs handy11:07
DistroJockeyseanh: DVD disk should be fine. Do you even need to burn it?11:08
seanhHow would I do without burning it?11:09
seanhThere seems to be a DVD version here http://cdimage.ubuntu.com/dvd/20080401/11:09
DistroJockeyseanh: depends what you are trying to do I guess11:09
affluxmorning. does anyone know why the murrine theme was removed from hardy again?11:09
seanhI usually like to do a fresh install, so I don't carry over any cruft from my past  6 months with the previous release11:09
seanhHmm. But the DVD is a huge download and it doesn't say what extra stuff is on it. I think I'll just go with the CD image11:11
DistroJockeyseanh: theoretically, you could mount the iso and install into free space or another partition I guess. Don't ask me exactly how though ;)11:11
bazhangmount the iso via loopback and run it that way ;]11:12
DistroJockeyseanh: but this may help:  http://www.ubuntugeek.com/mount-and-unmout-iso-images-without-burning-them.html11:12
seanhYou'd need to boot from the mounted iso somehow, that's gotta be tricky11:13
bazhangthe very link I was going to get ;]11:13
DistroJockeybazhang: :)11:13
bazhangseanh: listen to DistroJockey he's the brain around here ;]11:13
DistroJockeybazhang: doesn't really say how to install from it though11:13
DistroJockeybazhang: lol11:13
seanhYeah, so that link shows you how to mount an iso, but I don't know how you'd install from it11:14
DJonesThere's also this - installing from another linux partition https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Installation/FromLinux11:14
bazhangcopy the iso to the hdd; amenado in main channel is the expert on that ;]11:14
DistroJockeyDJones: nice link11:15
seanhthat guide seems to be the thing11:15
bazhangalso there is lubi and unetbootin ;]11:16
DJones!install | DistroJockey, It's linked from this11:16
ubotuDistroJockey, It's linked from this: Ubuntu can be installed in a lot of ways. Please see https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Installation for documentation. Problems during install? See https://wiki.ubuntu.com/CommonProblemsInstall. Don't want to use a CD? Try http://tinyurl.com/3exghs - See also !automate11:16
DJonesunder the install without a CD11:16
DistroJockeyahh, cool. Thanks DJones11:16
DJonesno probs11:16
seanhHey this bootable install partition is cool ... it's like having a sort of system reset built in. Especially if you install /home on its own partition so it doesn't get overridden11:17
DistroJockeyseanh, DJones:  usually have a rewriteable lying around and playing with Vitualbox lately, so rarely have a problem using iso's11:18
DistroJockeyseanh: yeah, does look to be nice and handy11:18
seanhYeah a rewritable would be a handy thing to keep around11:18
finalbetaWhat is the "correct" way to install vmware server on ubuntu hardy?11:20
fromportbeter ask that @ #ubuntu-virt or #ubuntu-server (not many people respond though there)11:21
finalbetaok, thanks.11:22
bazhangfinalbeta: not sure if it is canonical partner repos yet; it was for gutsy and that is wehre I got it11:22
DistroJockeyfinalbeta: Virtualbox is also worth a look (if you don't specifically need vmware)11:22
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xoobhey, just updated and the gdm theme changed slightly, but I liked the last one better, where can I find a copy of the previous version of the Human gdm theme?11:36
DistroJockeyxoob: gnome-look.org maybe?11:37
tanner_i hate external monitors and linux11:39
tanner_nvidia's damn utility refuses to let me select other modes for my tv11:41
geniehello all11:43
DistroJockeyHeyya ;)11:43
geniehow to play .rm or .ram in 8.4?11:43
geniewithout using realplay :-)11:43
DistroJockey:)11:43
tanner_codecs exist for 32bit mplayer11:44
genietanner_, can you give me the package name?11:44
tanner_win32codecs?11:44
geniesudo apt-get install win32codecs?11:45
xoobthe other way around, how do you make firefox use realplayer for .rm or .ram? removed mplayer-plugin and totem-plugins now there's nothing11:45
tanner_no, youll have to google for it11:45
DistroJockeytanner_ , genie: if you try and open a .rm or .ram with mplayer will it ask if you want to find them?11:45
tanner_no.11:46
genieno11:46
DistroJockeybummer11:46
genielet me to try to open it11:46
harmentalhey guys..has anyone been experiencing sudden freezes with Hardy?11:46
DistroJockeyharmental:  Not here. Total or partial?11:47
harmentaltotal11:47
harmentalDistroJockey: I have to reboot using the power button11:48
harmentalfreezes are totally random11:48
muszekharmental: do you know about raising skinny elephants?11:48
muszekharmental: a procedure that is safer than hard reboot and is often doable when system is unresponsive11:49
DistroJockeyharmental: next time it happens, a more graceful way is to hold down  Alt+SysRq and press the following keys in order with a few seconds pause between each:  S I E U B11:49
muszekDistroJockey: I learnt R S E I U B (raising skinny elephants is utterly boring)11:50
DistroJockeymuszek: cool :) what's the R for?11:50
lintelhi, I have some time over the weekend - is there a Heron nightly build avail. for debugging?11:50
harmentalDistroJockey: are you serious?????11:50
muszekDistroJockey: dunno, lemme find it11:50
DistroJockeyharmental: yep11:51
DistroJockeyharmental: magic sysrq key11:51
muszekharmental, DistroJockey: http://www.brunolinux.com/01-First_Things_To_Know/Skinny_Elephants.html11:51
harmentalDistroJockey: which key is sysrq?11:51
DistroJockeyharmental: Print Screen11:51
LamegoPrint Screen11:51
Nglintel: there may be nightlies on cdimage.ubuntu.com, if not you could grab the beta and update it11:51
DistroJockeyI remember it by: So Everything Is Unterly Borked  ;)11:52
DistroJockeyUterly^11:52
muszeklol :)11:52
DistroJockeyheh11:52
harmentalDistroJockey: ill try that next time...thx!11:52
muszekthat's more appropriate11:52
DistroJockeyharmental: you're welcome. But as for the freezing, as I said no problem here.11:53
Amaranthcrap another kernel abi bump11:53
Amaranthi haven't even rebooted to go to -14 yet11:53
harmentali guess...its something ill have to live with for some weeks...11:53
DistroJockeyharmental: yeah, not long to go now :)11:54
harmentaleverything else works like a charm...cant complain....11:54
DistroJockeyAmaranth: all updates working fine here11:54
bazhangwow I am still on -12; what the?11:54
lintelNg: http://cdimage.ubuntu.com/daily-live/current/hardy-desktop-i386.iso <= this one? thanks11:55
AmaranthDistroJockey: I'm not worried about that11:55
AmaranthI just don't reboot unless I need to11:55
DistroJockeyAmaranth: even did that partial yesterday with only atiev crashing11:55
Nglintel: sounds like a good one to go for11:55
bazhangand no updates around ;[11:55
AmaranthI'm pretty sure I can fix any problem that might show up11:55
DistroJockeyAmaranth: :)11:55
genieDistroJockey, I try to open one .rm and I got this: Sipro/ACELP.NET Voice decoder plugin12:01
genieDistroJockey, how can I install this plugin?12:01
DistroJockeyhmm12:02
DistroJockeygenie: no idea sorry12:04
genieDistroJockey, thanks man :-)12:05
DistroJockeygenie: someone one google had to install realplayer to get it to work though12:05
* DistroJockey shudders12:05
DistroJockeysomeone on google^12:06
genieyes, I see this in this URL: http://ubuntuforums.org/archive/index.php/t-539494.html12:06
geniebut I need to paly it without realplay12:06
DistroJockeygenie: that's the one :)12:06
genie(y)12:06
DistroJockeygenie: you may have to use realplayer, just have a backup I guess, just incase12:07
DistroJockeygenie: And you're welcome. But as I said, I don't do Realplayer.12:08
tannerrealplayer should die :)12:08
genieI prefer not use it too12:09
DistroJockeytanner: It can do what it likes as far as I'm concerned, I just won't use it :)12:09
tannerh264 is quite lovely :)12:10
tanneralthough very processor intensive12:10
genieDistroJockey, infact some of my .rm files paly with totem but others will give the error which I show you12:10
DistroJockeygenie: ahh. Please do.12:10
* jimiridge catches mass sarcasm12:11
DistroJockeygenie: not that I deal with video much. And maybe something in Mythbuntu will help?12:11
DistroJockeywell I wasn't being sarcastic12:12
tannerugh wtf12:12
tanner10MB/s over eSATA12:12
DistroJockeyeww!12:12
tannerthis is not right at all12:13
NW2190Hi, I does anyone know where items in the trash bin are if they aren't in ~/.Trash or /home/.Trash-user?12:13
tannerever since i changed to hardy, transfers from disk to anything else is unbelievably slow12:13
genieDistroJockey, I am using 7.10 I just install my new pc hardware and I load 8.4 on it - I just want to install most of the common codes available for Totem12:13
genieDistroJockey, so I can playback all my music files with mplayer only12:14
DistroJockeygenie: I stick with flash and the mp's, seems to work12:14
DistroJockeyohh and the wmv's12:14
genieflash ?12:15
DistroJockeyand maybe an avi or 212:15
tannererm perhaps that is why.. ext3..12:15
DistroJockeygoogle video, youtube12:15
DistroJockeygenie: I have not seen a .rm or .ram in ages :)12:16
geniereally?12:16
tannerDistroJockey: hopefully that is a sign of good fortune :D12:16
DistroJockeyfor ages, yeah true12:16
Exilanttanner: well, ext3 isn't unbelievably slow12:17
tannerExilant: no, of course not12:17
DistroJockeytanner: yeah :)12:17
genieI normally convert it in my windows to .mp12:17
genieto .mp312:17
tannerperhaps one day open and free standards will reign supreme12:18
tyhello, my update manager is freezing up as soon as i click install updates, i cant close it same thing happens when i try to use add/remove12:18
DistroJockeytanner: they already do for people that know what they are doing12:18
DistroJockeyand I'm not saying I'm one of those people totally yet, but I'm getting there :)12:19
tannerDistroJockey: however i refer to those who provide the content12:19
DistroJockeytanner: ahh, *nods*12:20
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DistroJockeytanner: restricted = more $ to them I guess12:21
DistroJockeybut also less coverage12:21
tannerthey seem to think so12:24
tannerbut they also believe spending billions on DRM technology will prevent us for circumventing it :D12:24
tannereSATA should not be going at 7MB/s12:26
martalliI have a computer with a fairly full root partition...Not enough space to download all the packages for hardy...Would upgrading witht he alternative CD reduce the amount of packages necessary, or would the packages be unpackaged onto my root partition before installation?12:32
Dr_willisheh - i seem to have 200+mb of updated a day on my hardy box.12:34
Dr_willisso it downloads 200+mb, then installs them, then only needs like 10mb more.. but it had to download all 200.12:34
martalliYeah...its a tight fit for me: /dev/sda6             5.8G  5.0G  573M  90% /12:35
Exilantmartalli: well, you could temporaryly mount something (usbstick or whatever) as /var/cache12:35
Dr_willisick12:35
Dr_willismartalli,  good idea12:35
Dr_willismartalli,  thats the ONLY hard drive you got?12:36
martalliI can do regular updates just fine, it's the upgrade that will be a problem...12:36
Dr_willisyou could even put /var/cache  on some other partition if needed.12:36
Lynoureusb stick as cache means a quick death for that usb stick...12:36
martallilol it's a 300 gb hard drive, but the partitions have been setup wsince back when I was still using windows a lot12:36
Lynourelots of writing is not good for them.12:36
Exilantyes12:36
Dr_willisI hear that most new usb sticks can handle it.12:37
Exilantbut it should be good for about 10000 cycles12:37
Exilant1000 if conservative12:37
h3sp4wnSo people say - I am not sure whether its true now though12:37
Dr_willisive had more hard drives die then USB sticks. :)12:37
martalliIs /var/cache the only directory that needs to be linked elsewhere?12:37
h3sp4wnI have never broken a usb stick yet12:37
Dr_willismartalli,  its a good canadate. You may want to move some other stuff around12:37
martalliWell, I have *physically* broken usb sticks by accident...12:37
Exilanti think windows vista has some feature to use them as a kind of cache12:38
LynoureDr_willis: in the same time, with same usage? I'd say most usb sticks get very floppy-like usage still.12:38
Dr_willisif you have a large amount of space on some other partition, you could link /var/cache there.12:38
Dr_willisI tend to fill up my 4gb stick every day. take it to work, copy stuff over, delete.. repeate..12:38
martalliAlready deleted a fair amount of programs...but this same partition has been upgraded through 6.06 (iirc) and had mandriva on it before that (started with mdk 9.2 actually...)12:38
Exilantmartalli: i did a repartitioning before updating to hardy, had 100% on my / before...12:39
Dr_willisI think you may want to do some resizing with gparted. :) soon.12:39
martalliYeah, I'm thinking of nixing the windows partition and getting vbox setup with xp...Ironically, I will probably use xp *more* often if I can just pop it up with vbox once in a while...12:40
tanneroh great, now my usb drive isnt recognized12:41
martalliSo what, I delete var/cache and link it to /home/var-cache (different partition: /dev/sda8             153G   56G   90G  39% /home)12:41
h3sp4wnWhy don't you just move /usr somewhere else12:42
Exilantthat should work12:42
Dr_willisive had /usr on my /home partition befor :)12:42
Dr_willistheres some that cant be  moved. but i forget which ones.12:42
Exilantas long as you don't install that much that it won't fit anymore12:42
h3sp4wnetc12:42
martalliWow, that sounds extreme...but that might work...I'm just afraid something won't copy right....permissions and such12:42
h3sp4wnNo others afaik12:42
Dr_williswell they are often needed befor others filesystems get mounted.. so moving them and using ln -s, can cause issues12:42
martalliI think I will clear out the windows partition and repartition...Maybe just get a new hard drive (while they are still selling PATA drives...)12:43
__doc__I've finally gotten both my screens setup, but this was an exercise in hardcore xorg.conf editing, including the help of nvidia-settings and amic modline generator. none of the tools included on hardy would make any progress whatsoever.12:44
__doc__I find this a bit frightening, say, for the ordinary user.12:44
Dr_willisi imagine pata drives will be around for some time...12:45
h3sp4wnDr_willis: __doc__ Why was dynamic twinview not working ?12:45
Dr_willisive only recently stated seeing SATA Dvd burners at reasonable prices.12:45
Dr_willish3sp4wn,  no idea.  I dont recall using 'dynamic' twinview befir.. just 'twinview' :)12:45
__doc__h3sp4wn: I don't know why it wasn't working. Though I do know that one (of my two identical) monitors isn't giving out an edid12:45
__doc__h3sp4wn: nvidia-settings recognized at least that there are two screens, but was also unable to dected the monitor.12:46
Dr_willisive seen some of the nvidia cards that do NOT like it  - if you powerup WITHOUT both monitors plugged in.12:46
__doc__h3sp4wn: which is where the modline generator comes in to create the appropriate modeline for that monitor and then hand-configure that in after nvidia-settings.12:46
h3sp4wn__doc__: But they are identical so you can just get the edid from the one is ok12:46
Dr_willisI tend to run the nvidia-xconfig --twinview command, then run the sudo nvidia-settings tool12:46
tannerit seems to be a linux/x server issue12:47
__doc__h3sp4wn: well, I can get the edid, but there's no way to tell xorg to use that one for the other monitor is there?12:47
h3sp4wn__doc__: And then manually add it into nvidia-settings12:47
h3sp4wn__doc__: You can do that still inside nvidia-settings12:48
Dr_willisfinding some example twinview enabled xorg.conf files - and comoaring to yours may help.12:48
__doc__h3sp4wn: I don't see where that should work.12:49
Dr_willisyou did tell the system to enable twinview with 'nvidia-xconfig --twinview' ?12:49
__doc__h3sp4wn: I can acquire the edid for the good monitor with nvidia-settings, but there's no way to set it for the other monitor.12:49
h3sp4wn__doc__: Just provide that edid for both screens12:50
h3sp4wnThe file that is extracted12:50
|DuReX|pfft :( still trying to get my tv card running, its no go :(12:50
__doc__h3sp4wn: yes, what to do with it?12:50
__doc__h3sp4wn: there's nothing I can do with the edid.bin file, I still need that modline and still need to hand-edit xorg.conf12:52
DistroJockey|DuReX|: not a compro is it?12:52
__doc__h3sp4wn: I still went trough 5 or so modline calculators (luckily none of which killed my monitor) until I hit one that worked.12:53
__doc__it's... horrible12:53
* Dr_willis wonders what card and montitors __doc__ has.12:53
__doc__Dr_willis: Nvidia GeForce 8800 GTS and 2x Sony GDM-FW90012:54
Dr_willislcd monitors?12:54
__doc__Dr_willis: CRT12:54
Dr_willisNot using dvi conectors?12:54
__doc__analog12:54
Dr_willisIck. :)12:55
__doc__(like all CRTs)12:55
Dr_willisBest thing i ever did was get rid of the vga.12:55
tannermy 1080p LCD TV has a VGA connector12:55
Dr_willisi have seen crts that use dvi.. But i forget where..  Must of been some uber-high end one.12:55
__doc__Dr_willis: you won't Ick me when I tell you that the GDM-FW900 has a camery build into the tube that can film the tube backside to do color calibration.12:55
Dr_willisYou must have a very large desk.12:55
__doc__cammera12:55
tannerand without some damn tweaking to xorg.conf i cannot get 1080p on that tv12:55
tannerits a TV, not my monitor :-\12:55
Dr_willis__doc__,  but you cant even get it working.. so.. ick. :P12:56
__doc__Dr_willis: it works now, because I'm an über geek user...12:56
Dr_willisUberUbuntu!12:56
Dr_willis:) that would be a good name for a new variant!~12:56
Dr_willishttp://news.softpedia.com/news/Top-10-Ubuntu-based-Distributions-78211.shtml12:56
Lynoureleaf distros seem to be trendy now12:57
Dr_willisMinibuntu is the tiny Ubuntu remix you can build on! :)12:58
Dr_willishttp://www.fluxbuntu.org/  Never noticed there was a fluxbuntu13:01
ZeltaThere is, but it is far from finished13:03
h3sp4wnfluxbuntu is not bad - doesn't suffer at the hands of Ubuntu the way k and x buntu do13:04
ZeltaDoing a base command line install with fluxbox on top is more efficient13:04
tannerugh13:04
tannerdamn program refuses to die13:04
Dr_willisI would like to see kde and gnome both go more with the 'standard/origiaal/defaults' of kde and gnome.13:04
Dr_willisToo many distros tweak kde and gnome so much. ya go to some other disrto with kde/gnome and you can end up bery confused. ;P13:05
h3sp4wntanner: upstart has never worked as well in such situations for me13:05
tannerupstart?13:05
h3sp4wnWhat they replaced init with13:05
ZeltaDr_willis: But you could just use Foresight Linux if you wanted something with GNOME not really tweaked at all13:05
Ngtanner: my TV is hooked up via HDMI rather than VGA, but I found the easiest way to get it to display 1080p was to just move my xorg.conf out of the way and let X detect everything itself ;)13:05
levmattadoes anybody know whats the  default theme now? human or human-murrine ????13:06
tannerh3sp4wn: not sure how that helps with the fact lsusb refuses to di13:06
tannerdie*13:06
levmattaanyone?13:07
Dr_willisNevernoticed. :) first thing i do is set the theme to Plastik.13:08
h3sp4wntanner: Well it (was?) the responsibility of init to deal with it - the user shouldn't have to care13:09
Derspanksterlevmatta: why does it matter?13:09
tannereither way, it refuses to die13:09
tannerand as a result i am unable to unmount13:10
DistroJockeylevmatta: it's called    human-theme13:10
levmattaYeah I guess your right, I just tink that the deafult will continue to evolvve13:10
tannerNg: hmm interesting13:10
marcules^^13:11
levmattaso not human murrine, interesting13:11
DistroJockeylevmatta: agreed13:11
DistroJockeylevmatta: who in murrine anyway?13:11
Picihuman-murrine is still there, just not the default iirc.13:12
Zeltalevmatta: The theme is still called "Human," but the engine is now Murrine13:12
DistroJockeyor what13:12
PiciZelta: I see both human and human-murrine in my appearance tool.13:12
Zeltaone uses the murrine engine, one does not13:12
levmattauntil last week my ubuntu was  in a theme called "Custom", and that was not my doing13:13
PiciYes.13:13
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DistroJockeyohh13:13
Ngtanner: what state is lsusb in? (ps auwfx | grep lsusb        8th column).. should be R, S, T, D or Z13:13
levmattaon another topic, I heard that linux is harmfull to laptop HDs13:14
Dr_willisi recall it showing 'custome' as the theme befor in other ubuntu releases.. I normally 'save'  the default settings to a theme called 'default theme' :)13:14
tannerS+13:14
Dr_willislevmatta,  the over-conservitive default powersaving setting on some laptop hard drives are harmfull to laptop hds13:14
Ngweird, S should mean it's killable13:14
levmattaso I better use Smartmontools, is that it?13:15
Ngno13:15
Ngyou better stop believing the nonsense that gets talked about hard disks13:15
Dr_willisI dont think smartmontools helps much. Check your hd. and if it has the 'problem' enable more senseable power saving modes.13:15
tannerit will not die13:16
tanneroh erm13:16
tanner"D"13:16
Dr_willistheres a lot of hype on the topic.  and  yes. i have a laptop with the 'issue' and its still going strong after clicking away for 2+ years13:16
tannerS+ was the grep lsusb command ^_^13:16
Ngtanner: D means it's waiting for the kernel to respond, so you can't kill it13:16
levmattaDr_willis: how do I do that?13:16
h3sp4wnDr_willis: What manufacturer is the harddrive ?13:16
tannerwell, the kernel isnt going to respond because part of the framework crashed13:17
Dr_willisI was thinking it was some hitachi .. but i think the issue affets other drives as well13:17
h3sp4wnI had a western digital13:17
levmattaI heard it depends on the mannufacture as well13:17
h3sp4wnthat had the issue there was even a bios update to fix it13:17
Ngtanner: then lsusb is stuck until you reboot13:17
tannerso, so annoying13:18
Dr_willishttp://www.linux-hero.com/rant/explanation-ubuntu-hard-drive-wear-and-tear13:18
DreamThiefwith hardy beta an latest updates my default xubuntu desktop wont come up anymore. computer was set up yesterday. after logon I only see the wallpaper and that's all. I tried to remove all config files hoping xfce would come up again, but is still does not. anyone got any ideas?13:18
jaffarkelshacis there a way to install nvidia drivers on my system. its all messed up after update13:18
Nglevmatta: this is the point - linux doesn't make any changes to the hardware power management settings for the disks, so if your BIOS/HD people are clueless, then maybe your disk will wear out quickly, but it seems to be pretty rare13:18
levmattaI have a Dell, with the most current BIOS13:19
jaffarkelshacis there a way to install nvidia drivers on my system. its all messed up after update13:19
Dr_willisim not even seen any PROOF that the clicking makjes the hd ware out quickly.13:19
NgDr_willis: who needs proof when you have opinions and a blog? ;)13:19
Dr_willispeople say  the life span is reduced.. but really  so the hd lasts 'only' 5 years.. instead of 10..13:20
h3sp4wnDr_willis: I know it annoyed the hell out of me13:20
Dr_willisi couldent even tell mine was clicky till i got it home13:20
levmattathank Ng, Dr_Willis and h3sp4wn13:20
h3sp4wnIn the end I just swapped out the drive for one that didn't click - I use the other externally for backing up thats all13:21
dns53jaffarkelshac install nvidia-glx should install the drivers, there is the legacy drivers as well13:21
savvaswhich nvidia model?13:21
jaffarkelshaci am using 7300gt13:22
savvasjaffarkelshac: sudo apt-get install nvidia-glx-new13:22
jaffarkelshaci used locate nvidia and it seems it is already installed13:23
savvasjaffarkelshac: did you download it from the nvidia.com site?13:24
jaffarkelshaci have not downloaded anything yet from nvidia13:24
savvasand you shouldn't :P13:24
savvasum, do this: uname -a13:24
savvaswhat's the output?13:25
jaffarkelshacLinux Chapai 2.6.24-14-generic #1 SMP Thu Apr 3 04:49:29 UTC 2008 i686 GNU/Linux13:25
savvaschapai?13:26
jaffarkelshachostname13:26
savvasoh ok13:26
h3sp4wnjaffarkelshac: On a card such as yours its might be worth trying nvidia-glx and nvidia-glx-new13:27
savvasjaffarkelshac: apt-cache policy linux-restricted-modules-2.6.24-14-generic | grep Installed13:27
h3sp4wn(Different bugs)13:27
jaffarkelshacsavvas, 2.6.24.12-14.32 is the output13:28
savvasit should work then, try this: apt-cache policy nvidia-glx-new | grep Installed13:29
DreamThiefwith hardy beta and latest updates my default xubuntu desktop wont come up anymore. computer was set up yesterday. after logon I only see the wallpaper and that's all. I tried to remove all config files hoping xfce would come up again, but is still does not. anyone got any ideas?13:30
h3sp4wnDreamThief: Try stopping gdm and just using ciniy13:32
h3sp4wn*xinit13:32
Dr_willisor 'startx' and look at the logs/output.13:32
h3sp4wnDr_willis: Then you can run - startxfce4 from the xterm you get13:32
savvasjaffarkelshac: apt-cache policy nvidia-glx-new | grep Installed13:33
Dr_willish3sp4wn,  bingo. :) if you set up your .xinitrc you can get a nice xterm to toy with.13:33
jaffarkelshac 169.12+2.6.24.12-14.32 savvas13:33
savvasjaffarkelshac: sudo apt-get install --reinstall nvidia-glx-new13:34
savvasjaffarkelshac: tell me when it's done13:35
jaffarkelshacsavvas, done13:37
savvasjaffarkelshac: sudo nvidia-xconfig13:37
DreamThiefh3sp4wn: wait a minute13:37
jaffarkelshaci get a validation error, xorg.conf needs driver line13:38
DreamThiefh3sp4wn: this works, but only starts plain x with a terminal emulator ^^13:38
h3sp4wnDreamThief: Thats what its supposed to do13:38
savvasjaffarkelshac: sudo dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg13:38
DreamThiefh3sp4wn: ;)13:38
jaffarkelshacsavvas,  that option never gives me any graphics option13:39
DreamThiefh3sp4wn: okay, so any other ideas? *g*13:39
h3sp4wnDreamThief: just run ''startxfce4 &''13:39
DreamThiefokay13:39
h3sp4wnDreamThief: If this works is not xfce at all (its gdm or something else)13:39
DreamThiefh3sp4wn:13:39
DreamThiefwow13:39
DreamThief:D13:39
DreamThief#it worked13:39
DreamThiefhalleluja13:39
DreamThief;)13:39
savvasjaffarkelshac, never mind that just try: sudo dpkg-reconfigure -phigh xserver-xorg13:40
jaffarkelshacsavvas, done13:40
savvasjaffarkelshac: sudo nvidia-xconfig13:40
jaffarkelshacVALIDATION ERROR: Data incomplete in file /etc/X11/xorg.conf.13:41
jaffarkelshac                  Device section "Configured Video Device" must have a Driver13:41
jaffarkelshac                  line.13:41
savvasbah13:41
savvasjaffarkelshac: you have a graphical interface there right?13:41
jaffarkelshacyeah13:42
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DreamThiefhm13:42
savvasjaffarkelshac: gksudo gedit /etc/X11/xorg.conf13:42
pepie34still having no wifi with the new kernel update13:42
pepie34any one else?13:42
savvasjaffarkelshac: find Section "Device"13:42
DreamThiefso where to start for debugging if its a gdm or otherwise related problem?13:42
h3sp4wnDreamThief: If you use startx instead of xinit then you get the window manager loading mnormally13:42
Dr_willisThe new Minimal-X config setup confused the nvidia setting tools.13:42
savvasjaffarkelshac: add this line in the section: Driver "nvidia"13:43
h3sp4wnDreamThief: Try an alternative maybe13:43
jaffarkelshacsavvas, brb13:43
Dr_willisDreamThief,  isntall a different window maanger, (like jwm) and edit .xinitrc tolaunch it, and try 'startx' also. as a test13:43
savvasjaffarkelshac: save, close gedit and then do: sudo nvidia-xconfig13:43
savvasjaffarkelshac: ok13:43
h3sp4wnDreamThief: I would usually try xdm13:44
DreamThiefstartx also produces only wallpaper and cursor13:44
DreamThiefnothing else13:44
DreamThiefokay, i'll try xdm13:44
Dr_willisDreamThief,  its trying to launch gnome. check the console, with alt-ctrl-f1 to see if any erorr messages are showing up as you run X13:44
jaffarkelshacit worked savvas13:45
savvasjaffarkelshac: ok, now restart your gnome with ctrl-alt-backspace :)13:45
DreamThiefDr_willis: thx, i'll have a look13:45
savvasjaffarkelshac: or logoff :)13:45
Dr_willisHmm... at the fluxbuntu web site. and i cant even find a download link. :)13:47
Dr_willishttp://www.fluxbuntu.org/js.html13:47
DreamThiefDr_willis: it's a server install with sudo apt-get install xubuntu-desktop13:47
DreamThiefhm, with xdm it still doesn't work as expected13:48
Dr_willisDreamThief,  they dont state that at the web site. :) they imply its not.. but then again.. they dont sacutlly Say a lot...13:48
DreamThief*grml*13:48
DreamThiefwoah13:49
Dr_willisaha - what a badly done web site.. each initial page has a 'get more information link' that lead you to another page..13:49
DreamThiefdamn13:49
jfWhy doesn't shortcut to home dir work?13:50
DreamThieflol13:50
DreamThiefit works13:50
DreamThiefit was just sudo update-alternatives --config x-session-manager13:50
DreamThiefDr_willis: as you said, it wanted to start gnome instead of xfce13:51
DreamThiefthanks for your help everyone13:51
jfDreamThief: Not in hardy, for me.13:51
Dr_willisDreamThief,  :) sounds like a gnome/gnome settings issue13:51
Dr_willisDreamThief,  make .xinitrc just launch a terminal, then try 'gnome-session' in the terminal to see all sorts of fancy info/error messages13:52
savvasjaffarkelshac: works?13:52
h3sp4wnor just remove gnome if you didn't even want it in the first place13:52
jaffarkelshacsavvas i got a input not supported, but luckily i had vnc set p and changed the refresh rate which was now available. so yes it works. thank you13:53
Dr_willisapt-get install jwm13:53
Dr_willis:)13:53
h3sp4wn(Change it so you don't get recommends as depends while you are at it)13:53
savvasjaffarkelshac: you can setup the xorg.conf properly with the screens and graphics tool: gksu displayconfig-gtk13:54
jaffarkelshacsavvas, you have been most helpful thanks13:54
savvasn/p :)13:54
CoasterMasterSo if my machine shut down during an upgrade (I pressed the power button on my laptop expecting the log off, shut down, lock screen etc) to lock my screen but it just started shutting down), I'm pretty much hosed, yeah?13:55
jaffarkelshacsavvas, what is the diff between using gksu or sudo13:55
PiciCoasterMaster: uh. If it was in the downloading stage, you're probably fine. If not.  Then yes, you're probably sol.13:55
savvasCoasterMaster: not necessarily, this should do the trick: sudo apt-get -f install13:55
zengenHi, is there anything to be aware of if I'm using Gutsy's latest kernel with Hardy right now?  I switch to it when I need to run vmware.13:56
CoasterMasterPici, oh yeah it would have been nice if it was downloading packages, but no such luck :(13:56
PiciCoasterMaster: If what savvas suggested didn't work, I dont think it would be worth the effort of figuring out what exactly is wrong.13:57
IdleOneusualy install -f should do the trick13:57
CoasterMasterPici, yeah I'll do that.  I'm in the LiveCD right now (awesome recovery tool) and I'm planning on copying my home folder and re-installing.  Oh well it happens13:57
h3sp4wnCoasterMaster: Shouldn't be too bad13:58
CoasterMastersavvas, IdleOne I'll give sudo apt-get install -f13:58
CoasterMasteralthough I'm assuming if I boot in to the command line, wifi won't be connected13:58
ampexis switching display resolutions in kde not working with kubuntu 8.04?13:58
effie_jayxis virtualbox broken atm?13:58
IdleOneCoasterMaster: if not sounds like you already have a good action plan. think about creating a seperate /home if you do end up re-installing13:59
CoasterMasterIdleOne, ya know I did that once but for some reason I didn't like it.....hmmmm13:59
ampexeffie_jayx: virtualbox downloaded from sun works fine here14:00
ampexeffie_jayx: I don't use the ubuntu repository version14:00
savvasCoasterMaster: it doesn't have to be connected, 1) if you were in the downloading stage, as Pici said, nothing should be wrong 2) if you have passed the downloading level, it probably got what it needed for an upgrade :)14:00
effie_jayxampex,  well I tried the version from the repos and seems broken... dependecies not met14:00
CoasterMastersavvas, oh good point...I didn't even think of that!14:01
CoasterMasterwell, I'm goin off to try this14:01
h3sp4wnCoasterMaster: Worst you are likely to have to do is manually edit a few files14:01
savvas"break a laptop" - instead of a leg ;p14:02
h3sp4wn(that are corrupted - and then reinstall all the last update to be safe - 10 mins max14:02
IdleOnehehe14:02
effie_jayxcan I report that as a bug?14:02
jaffarkelshacwhen i have to use multiply application that both use sound i have to close one before sound comes though the other. any work around?14:02
savvash3sp4wn: in that case, i'd put in a live cd and chroot and reinstall ubuntu-desktop :P14:03
_MMA_Anyone know about /dev/vboxdrv not being created currently?14:04
savvaseffie_jayx: probably its dependencies aren't built yet, it's not a bug, just a priority push :)14:04
ampexI rebooted after installing some updates and my resolution is 640x480 with nvidia hardware14:04
effie_jayxok14:04
effie_jayxsavvas,14:04
jaffarkelshaci just got mine fixed by savvas14:04
savvasoh noes14:05
jaffarkelshacwhy is this such a problem14:05
h3sp4wnsavvas: What would you do - if you was a train didn't bother to bring anything - and it had to be fixed urgently14:05
dotechouch.14:06
savvash3sp4wn: call an engineer hehehe14:06
dotechyea, thats basically what we're asked to do on a daily basis haha14:06
dotechexcept its not just a broken train, its typically a train wreck14:06
CardinalFangMoin.  Is there a new x-configurator in hardy?  other than "sudo dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg"?14:07
savvasampex: http://irclogs.ubuntu.com/2008/04/04/%23ubuntu+1.html - start reading from (search for): which nvidia model14:07
ampexsavvas: hard to tell what the actual fix was14:10
ampexsavvas: so dpkg-reconfigure xorg-server doesn't add Device now?14:10
ampexsavvas: is there a replacement?14:10
savvasampex: no idea, i told him to add that line and it fixed it14:13
savvasapart from that, someone should file a bug about it :)14:13
ampexI believe I'm still using the nvidia driver14:14
ampexbut my resolution is 640x480 and I don't know what/how to edit the xorg.conf to get 1280x1024 back14:16
h3sp4wnampex: Once you are in X can it be changed with xrandr14:26
nachoHi14:35
nachoare there any possibility to include gtranslator from trunk in hardy?14:35
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qawshi, how can I fix hardy pls, when I cannot run apt-get update, because it results in "FATAL -> Could not set non-blocking flag Bad file descriptor  E: Method http has died unexpectedly!" I am now only chrooted to hardy, because it does not want to start14:58
justdaveso on Hardy when I put a DVD in, there's an app that comes up and tries to play it...15:02
justdavehow do I disable that?15:02
justdaveI can't find anything obvious anywhere15:02
justdaveit's a MythTV box, it's interfering with Myth being able to play the DVDs, because this other app (which isn't labeled anywhere in its UI what it's name is) keeps grabbing it first15:03
justdaveok, found a matching icon, looks like it's totem15:04
justdavethere's a "Removable Drives and Media" control panel that has a CD for an icon, so you'd think it would be in there, but there's no mention of CDs or DVDs in that panel15:05
justdavejust Cameras, PDAs, Printers & Scanners, and Input Devices15:05
h3sp4wnjustdave: Does it still do that if dbus and hal are not running ?15:06
h3sp4wnlook in /etc/dbus-115:06
Ngjustdave: it's in nautilus preferences15:07
qawsmy problem is solved, tgx15:07
qaws*thx15:07
Ngthe removeable device settings used to be in the Removeable Drives and Media thing, but nautilus handles it now15:09
Ngapart from a few bits which are still in the (now confusingly named) Removeable drives thingy15:09
justdaveand the Nautilus prefs aren't easy to find.15:09
justdavehave to actually open a browser window first :)15:10
justdavefound it though15:10
justdavethanks15:10
Ngyou can run nautilus-file-management-properties and there used to be a preferences menu item for it back in edgy/feisty, but it was removed15:10
Ngthe preferences list is quite full enough already ;)15:10
justdavehmm, dvd device location must have changed, too15:11
justdavemyth is telling me15:12
justdavelibdvdread: Can't stat /dev/dvd15:12
justdaveNo such file or directory15:12
justdavelooks like /dev/scd0 is where it's showing up now15:12
justdavethere's a symlink to that from /dev/dvd1, but no /dev/dvd15:13
* justdave adds another symlink15:13
Ngthat sounds like myth is being unhelpful and hal isn't making a /dev/dvd link15:13
h3sp4wnYou can just add your own udev rule if you want15:14
justdaveand I have no sound....15:14
justdavebecause I just rebooted and forgot to pick the -12 kernel off the grub menu15:15
justdavesound is broken in -14 on my system15:15
* justdave reboots15:15
* justdave makes a note to change the default in grub.conf after it comes back up15:16
DanaGOh, look at the /etc/udev/rules.d/70-persistent-cdrom.rules15:18
DanaGThat sets symlink names.15:19
justdavehmm, -12 puts dvd -> hda15:19
justdave-14 puts dvd1 -> scd015:19
DanaGAah, I see... it must've changed what PATA or SATA driver it was using.15:20
DanaGhda is the old IDE subsystem; scd0 is the new SCSI-based version.15:20
yahuuui want to install ubuntu 7.10 on my 2nd HDD, i have 2 HDD in my pc, 1 for windows and other i want to install ubuntu, when i restart the pc and click on the install button, my screen turns black and display this message by ubuntu " (initramfs) type help for more commands15:23
ArelisHardy's been delayed?15:23
Lamegono15:24
ArelisHardy in #ubuntu+1 (release in June, see https://wiki.ubuntu.com/HardyHeron or #ubuntu+115:24
_ruben!hardy15:25
ubotuHardy Heron is the code name for the next release of Ubuntu (8.04-LTS), due April 24, 2008 - For more info, see: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/HardyHeron - CONSIDER IT TO BE BETA SOFTWARE - Discussion and support in #ubuntu+1, NOT #ubuntu15:25
HairufrHey all, is Xorg broken? I have some issues. It refuses to adjust my resolution when I use the nvidia driver, autoconfig is broken, only works for keyboard and I cannot manually configure xorg conf, it just resets the res to 640x80015:25
Templerhi there have many you guys tried the new ubuntu "hardy"?15:27
HairufrTempler: I have, besides my resolution problems it works fine on my system15:27
DanaGhttp://troy-sobotka.blogspot.com/2008/03/hardy-heron-wallpaper-fela-kuti-botch.html15:27
yahuuui want to install ubuntu 7.10 on my 2nd HDD, i have 2 HDD in my pc, 1 for windows and other i want to install ubuntu, when i restart the pc and click on the install button, my screen turns black and display this message by ubuntu " (initramfs) type help for more commands15:27
DanaGI'd a gree with those.15:28
Templeris it much of an improvement15:28
_rubenyahuuu: 7.10 is not ubuntu+1 material15:28
yahuuucant u guys help me ?15:28
Templerya i had loads of resolution problems when i upgraded to gusty15:28
Hairufryahuuu: You just asked in #ubuntu be patient and wait for an answer :)15:28
yahuuugrrrr15:29
yahuuuthey are talking to each other :)15:29
Lynoureyahuuu: this is not support channel for 7.10 at all15:29
HairufrTempler: Same here, it's very annoying, but I was able to make it work, nvidia driver refuses to work with 815:29
Hairufryahuuu: Be patient, if someone knows, someone will answer15:29
googlahyahuuu: Join #ubuntu for that15:29
yahuuuok :)15:29
Templerya thats the prob i had with nvidia and it eventually blew a monitor15:29
Templerwith wrong driver15:30
HairufrTempler: Know if it's a driver or xorg issue? I have a 7950gt15:30
HairufrTempler: And I had that accused for a while, because it broke out of the blue, even tried older releases, same problems15:30
Templerdont know how but it was caused my it to overheat first15:31
Templerthere were 2 nvidia drivers15:31
Hairufrannoying15:31
Templeras far as i can remember15:31
Templeri had the wrong one first15:31
igormorgadoi have notice that mouse acceleration control has problems, when I try to tune it, it drops to left and my mouse stay too slow. No matter how I try to move the slide bar to right it come back to left. I have to xset m 2 to make my pointer usable. Any ideas?15:31
HairufrWell, I'll just wait for the final, can't be bothered fixing it15:31
Templernv and nivida i they were called i think nv was the one which worked15:32
h3sp4wnHairufr: What makes you think the final is going to be any better ?15:32
Templerone sec i will go back through the konsole15:32
Hairufrh3sp4wn: Hope?15:32
Hairufrhehe15:32
Hairufrh3sp4wn: I'm thinking it's an nvidia or xorg problem, so it probably won't15:33
Piciigormorgado: If you are using Hardy, please do not ask the questions in #ubuntu as well.15:34
h3sp4wnigormorgado: Is this a laptop with an external mouse ?15:36
nonix4hmm... unfortunately I need sun-java6-bin - which seems to be broken: complains that libjli.so (which it installs) is not anywhere to be found by LD at dpkg --configure time. How do I fix that?15:38
igormorgadoPici: im using both.15:39
igormorgadoPici: and both had this problem15:39
igormorgadoh3sp4wn: no.15:39
h3sp4wnigormorgado: Try forcing evdev15:39
nonix4"This bug has 11 duplicates" ... ok, I guess it is known at least.15:40
quentusrexWhy in the world won't Hardy let me run firefox2??15:46
quentusrexEvery time I run the firefox two link, or the bin directly it runs the new firefox 3 beta15:46
quentusrexI don't want the beta yet....15:46
justdavedo --no-remote or --noremote or something like that15:47
quentusrexthanks15:48
quentusrexthat helped...15:48
quentusrexI was really getting pissed off....15:48
m1rhello15:49
justdavethe firefox command is actually a shell script that sends an IPC message to the app15:49
justdaveand it'll find the most recent version you have apparently15:50
justdavethe --noremote thing makes it directly launch the app it goes with instead of doing the IPC message thing15:50
justdavethe purpose of the IPC message is so if you open a new URL and firefox is already running it opens a new window/tab in the existing firefox instead of starting a new one15:50
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quentusrexthat might be useful, but I wish it asked me first15:51
quentusrexI specifically was trying to run the old version15:51
quentusrexbecause my favorite add-ons aren't ready for 3.015:52
elmargolhow do I reconfigure my keyboard? My numblock is not working :(15:52
m1ranyone using prism54usb adapters ?15:52
genieHello everybody15:53
quentusrexjustdave, you might know the answer to this. Why is it that when I try to launch a jnpl file firefox 3.0 gives me the java control console, but firefox 2.0 just runs the program like it should...15:53
quentusrexI can't find out how to exit the java control panel and run the program...15:53
genieneed a realplay codecs for mplayer how to install it in 8.4?15:53
justdavequentusrex: dunno on that one.15:53
omarI know this is gonna sound stupid, but what is the <SUPER> key?15:56
quentusrexomar, it's the windows key15:56
omarquentusrex: Oh! I got it now! Thanks. ^_^15:56
quentusrexwelcome15:57
justdaveor if you're on a Mac keyboard, it's the Apple/Command key15:57
overridexhow do i stop rhytmbox from opening when i connect a media device via usb? i don't see it under prefs -> removeable drives16:00
bicyclis1overridex have a look at preferred applications there is multimedia where you can decide what to open16:22
DG19075I've just installed Firefox 3 Beta 5. Anyone get Java to work in it yet?16:28
mloHello, can someone tell me if the latest Ubuntu beta supports the ATI HD 3850 out of the box, or would I have to experiment with drivers from Ati/Amd's website?16:30
compwiz18mlo: I think it will, because it is using newer drivers16:31
compwiz18haven't tried it though, but I will be in the near future ;)16:31
DG19075 I've just installed Firefox 3 Beta 5. Anyone get Java to work in it yet?16:32
nemoDG19075: unless things have changed recently, when I switched to Hardy, Hardy's plugin layout was a total mess16:34
bwlangi've just noticed that something is wrong with cd permissions...  /media/cdrom0 correctly changes owner on mount, but it changes permissions to 000 - couldn't find a bug on this - maybe #196850 is related?  Is this a known problem?16:34
nemoDG19075: you may find the java plugin is being installed in the wrong one of a dozen or so Gecko plugin directories hardy uses16:34
nemoDG19075: you will have to, in that case, manually correct the symlink.16:34
sarcherI installed 8.04 Beta and my sound card didn't work. I ran the following commands "sudo apt-get install module-assistant", "sudo m-a update" "sudo m-a prepare" "sudo m-a a-i alsa"16:35
DG19075ouch16:35
bwlangis it hal that does the permission setting?16:35
sarcherAfter doing that and rebooting sound worked, but I get "Failed to initialize HAL"16:35
sarchernetwork no longer works16:35
sarcheryee haw :)16:37
owen1did anynoe has problems after yesturday's updates? i see brown screen with no UI and can only get to terminal via katapult.16:38
ArandRunning Ubuntu on laptop here, no problems noticed.16:38
PiciSame here16:39
HorizonXPfirefox 3 beta 5 package out yet?16:39
ArandBut then again, it didn't fix _any_ of the problems I have (bleh!)16:40
owen1can anyone trubleshoot my problem? brown screen. no UI..16:40
owen1i tried running with previous kernel but it didn't work.16:41
bwlangowen1: if you can't trouble shoot it yourself, you shouldn't use hardy.16:41
Arandwell that's kinda harsh...16:41
bwlangowen1: the kernel is unrelated to your trouble - maybe a broken gdm?16:41
bicyclistWasn't there an update that included gdm and some other things ?16:41
bwlangArand: don't mean to be harsh, but seriously "brown screen", help?16:42
owen1bwlang: how can i verify that it's gdm? i can log in. after the login i see the brown screen.16:43
Arandyea, so probably GDM-related in some way or other...16:43
bwlangowen1: probably not gdm related then, really - don't use hardy yet- it's not ready.16:43
bicyclistAh you can log in so it seems a program is hanging ??16:43
bicyclistSounds like a piece of software just eats up all ressources.16:43
bicyclistHow long do you wait before trying again ?16:44
owen1bicyclist: i can login. but i can't do anything since the screen is brown. i use katapult to get terminal.16:44
Arandowen1: what video driver are you using?16:44
DG19075nemo: It looks like the thing is a mess. How would I reset ther symlinks?16:44
owen1Arand: not sure. i use sony vaio. what command line will tell me the driver?16:45
bwlangowen1: if you're determined, try creating a new user sounds like a profile problem to me.16:47
bicyclistowen1: can you open a second terminal and check what processes are running (try top and see what eats up most )16:47
owen1bwlang: i tried creating new user. it didn't help.16:47
owen1bicyclist:yes. 1 sec.16:48
owen1bicyclist: cpu-wise - xorg, hald16:49
bicyclisthow much do they use ?16:49
owen1bicyclist: gnome-terminanl16:49
owen1bicyclist: nothing. around 1.316:50
bicyclistHmmm.16:50
owen11.3%16:50
bicyclistSo to me it looks like some process is waiting for a reaction of a peripheral and goes into an endless loop16:50
bicyclistIf a new user behaves the same we probably really have a bug somewhere.16:51
bicyclistDoes this happen with gnome AND kde ?16:51
owen1i can open applications from terminal.16:51
owen1bicyclist: not sure. i have gnome.16:51
owen1bicyclist: how do i get kde?16:51
bicyclistWell maybe it would be enough to use kdm instead of gdm for a try ?16:52
owen1bicyclist: sure. how do i do that?16:52
bicyclistWait a sec,. have to look that up16:52
Aranddidn't you say you were using Katapult?16:53
bicyclistsudo dpkg-reconfigure gdm16:53
bwlangit's not gdm... he can log in.  it's just that the session manager is not starting.16:53
bicyclistHmm. bwlang could it be an access rights problem then ?16:53
owen1bwlang: yea. i can login. i even hear the music..16:54
bwlangowen1: just reinstall16:54
bwlangit's going to be a pain in the ass to figure out where the problem lies16:54
owen1ok. i will put the cd and hope for good. maybe i'll not use hardy for now...16:54
bicyclistowen1: It is always risky trying something beta ;)16:55
bwlangowen1: one thing to keep in mind, put your user files on a different partition so you can wipe things clean during a reinstall16:55
owen1bwlang: thanks a lot guys. true. it's playing with fire.16:55
bicyclistBut with a good fire extinguisher, well worth the effort.16:56
owen1bwlang: so when i put the cd i should create 3 partitions - swap, ex3 and another one form user files?16:56
owen1for16:56
bwlangowen1: that's what i do16:57
bwlangowen1: and i don't use ext3.16:57
RyanPriorI'm having some minor trouble with my graphics card. I want to have direct rendering capability, but my glxinfo says "direct rendering: No (LIBGL_ALWAYS_INDIRECT set)"16:58
RyanPriorI'm using fglrx, which I just installed using the hardware driver manager.16:58
owen1bwlang: ok. going to work. thanks all!16:58
bicyclistgood luck owen117:01
Arandanybody here dual booting hardy with XP?17:11
osteenbergenGood evening17:11
osteenbergenyeah i did17:11
Arand'evening17:11
RyanPriorArand: It's pretty easy to set up. There are some good tutorials, and we can help you through any rough spots.17:11
ArandNah, it's working for m.17:11
osteenbergenI believe that it is pretty hard to not be able to boot windows17:12
eklofHi,.17:12
Arandbut I was wondering if anybody else is able to set non-write access on the NTFS-partition?17:12
eklofIs there any known bugs in the current version of networkmanager? My wifi is never reconnected now when it is woken from sleep.17:13
osteenbergenNo i got full acces to NTFS.. because music and downloads are stored on that drive17:13
HorizonXPfirefox 3 beta 5 package out yet?17:13
osteenbergennot know.. google for it HorizonXP17:13
osteenbergeneklof is the driver loaded after sleep?17:13
ArandAs of lately (Alpha6) I can no longer set the NTFS partition to read+execute only.17:13
RyanPriorHorizonXP: Package isn't out, but you can download the tarball if you're desperate. :-)17:14
osteenbergenHmmz arand i will have a look17:14
RyanPriorArand: if you can't do it the same way you did before, it's probably a bug.17:14
ArandI've edited fstab to umask=027 and tried chmodding to g=rx... but I still get write access...17:15
eklofosteenbergen: don't know, I can't choose or even activate the wifi after a sleep. I need to reboot to make it work again.17:16
goodhabitHello. I have moved to ubuntu from debian. Is it debian-way updating (just changing repos version @ sources.list and dist-upgrade is ok?17:16
RyanPrioreklof: There are certainly known bugs, but I don't know whether your particular problem can be easily pinpointed by somebody without considerable knowledge of NetworkManager's setup. Have you asked on their email list or searched their bugtracker?17:16
osteenbergeneklof then the driver is probably not loaded after a sleep17:17
bwlangcould somebody put a cd in and check to see if /media/cdrom0 has the correct permissions (i want to be sure it's not a local problem before i file a bug)17:17
Arandbug is #190329, and I'm wondering if more people are experiencing this...17:17
bwlanggoodhabit: yep17:17
osteenbergenYeah arand.. i cant disable the write mode also17:17
osteenbergenntfs-config also doesn't disable the write mode17:18
HorizonXPRyanPrior: thanks. not that desperate yet!17:18
goodhabitbwlang, thanks. last question - what do you think about hardy for now - is it ok for deskop using, or it still have some huge troubles?17:18
osteenbergeneklof: what is your wireless driver?17:18
Arandokay, then it must be a regressive bug then...17:18
osteenbergenyeah probably17:18
RyanPriorbwlang: http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/62129/17:19
bwlanggoodhabit: if you're quite experienced in debian, you'll be fine. it's like running unstable. - you have to know what you're doing. but generally stuff works17:19
RyanPriorbwlang: That's what /media/cdrom0 looks like for me with the Hardy Beta 3 CD in the drive, if it helps you out any.17:19
bwlanggoodhabit: eg: right now i'm having some trouble with permission on my cdrom17:19
mpontilloArand: try adding "ro," before "defaults" in your fstab?17:19
Arandit's kinda weird since when i "ls -l" the partition it says it should be write-protected17:19
goodhabitbwlang, thanks for info.17:20
Arandokay will try that...17:20
bwlangRyanPrior: thanks, could you do ls -ld /media/cdrom0 ? it's the mount point that seems to have 00017:20
osteenbergensudo chmod also doesn't work on NTFS drive to disable it17:21
RyanPriorbwland:17:21
RyanPriorryan@ryan-laptop:~$ ls -ld /media/cdrom017:21
RyanPriordr-xr-xr-x 13 root root 4096 2008-01-09 02:19 /media/cdrom017:21
bwlangRyanPrior: thanks, is that with something mounted?17:22
RyanPriorbwlang: That's with Hardy a3 mounted.17:23
bwlangRyanPrior: i have 555 like you with nothing mounted.17:23
bwlangRyanPrior: but i have 000 when i mount something.17:23
bwlangRyanPrior: must be a local issue17:23
RyanPriorbwlang: when I have no CD mounted, I get17:24
RyanPriorryan@ryan-laptop:~$ ls -ld /media/cdrom017:24
RyanPriordrwxr-xr-x 2 root root 4096 2008-03-24 11:27 /media/cdrom017:24
RyanPriorSo that is definitely a strange behaviour.17:25
bwlangRyanPrior: i just looked again, i see 755 like you - misrememberd before17:25
bwlangRyanPrior: if you don't my spending time with me, could you post the cdrom line from your /etc/fstab? mines17:25
bwlang/dev/scd0       /media/cdrom0udf,iso9660 user,noauto,exec 0       017:25
bwlangtried putting in a mode=0666 there but that didn't do anything17:26
RyanPriorOff topic: I want to change then name of "root" on my box to "woot" so my ls -l says "drwxr-xr-x 2 woot woot"17:26
Arandosteenberger: It worked! thanks a bunch. Still odd that all the other things didn't work...17:27
RyanPriorbwlang: I've got /dev/hdc        /media/cdrom0   udf,iso9660 user,noauto,exec 0       017:27
bwlangRyanPrior: funny, should be fine to just edit /etc/passwd to do that. - but some programs might have trouble and look for user name "root" instead of uid 0 whent testing root17:27
bwlangRyanPrior: i wonder if this is a scsi issue....17:27
bwlanganybody with a scsi cd (/dev/scd0) able to check their permissions on /media/cdrom0 (ls -ld /media/cdrom0) with a cd mounted ?17:28
ArandIf setting "ro" option in fstab (for NTFS part.) works, but setting umask=027 or chmodding the mountpoint doesn't work, what could that be because of?17:32
mpontilloArand: umask only takes only for newly created files. I am not sure what meaning a chmod on a mount point would have. Once the FS is mounted, wouldn't that new FS take over the permissions on its root directory (mount point?).17:34
RyanPriorro, ro, ro your filesystem, gently down the iostream17:35
mpontillo*only takes effect for newly created files17:35
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Arandbut if the mount point and a file below it shows up as drwxr-x--- I shouldn't be able to delete that file without root, right?17:39
NgArand: assuming it's owned by route, correct17:40
Arandthat was my problem, that I was able to write/delete it still, as non-root.17:43
ArandAh, now I see, the ro option set the whole thing to ro, not even root can write (makes sense...), so it's not the complete solution to that problem...17:44
x1250hey guys, do any of you have a working ubuntu-sound? login/logout music working? I do have my sound card working and ubuntu-sounds installed, but for some reason system sounds are not working at all...17:47
ArandYea, sound works for me just fine at the moment... (up-to-date)17:48
Simpl3xhelp, whenever I run synaptic I get the error message "dpkg was interrupted, you must manually run 'dpkg --configure -a' to correct this problem"17:49
Simpl3xbut when I run dpkg --configure -a i get this message17:49
Simpl3x(getting message hold on a sec)17:49
x1250Arand: just to check, could yo please pastebin me the result of this? $ aptitude search sound | grep "^i"17:50
Simpl3xwell it's very long but the basic point of it is that it keeps saying that the new kernel I just installed was not configured properly so dependancies were not met17:51
Simpl3xso it keeps failing17:51
x1250see what happens if you purge it17:51
Simpl3xhow do I purge?17:52
x1250aptitude purge package17:52
x1250wait17:52
x1250what package is it?17:52
Simpl3x?17:52
Simpl3xer....17:55
Simpl3xone sec17:55
Simpl3xwell here, I'll pastebin the error message, cuz it's a bunch of thing17:55
Simpl3xs*17:55
x1250okay17:56
Simpl3xhttp://pastebin.ca/97128417:56
x1250Simpl3x: you have no space left on / ?17:57
Simpl3xI think this is where the problem is17:57
Simpl3xlinux-ubuntu-modules-2.6.24-14-generic17:57
x1250try $ df -h17:57
Simpl3xhm, ok17:57
x1250and see17:57
Simpl3xo /boot is full17:57
Simpl3xhaha17:57
Simpl3xforgot about that17:57
Simpl3xI only made a 64mb /boot17:57
Simpl3xso I can only have 2 kernels in there at once17:58
Simpl3xmy bad17:58
Simpl3xI gotta remove one of them17:58
Simpl3xlemme take care of that17:58
Simpl3x>.<17:58
x1250yep17:58
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Exilantthose /boots get really large18:00
Simpl3xyea, that's why I limit mine to 64mb so I can only hold 2 at a time18:00
Simpl3xIt reminds me to keep it clean and remove old kernels18:00
ToxinPowexD18:01
Simpl3xand then I go and forget what the error messages mean because I update so rarely18:01
Simpl3xhaha ok there we go, much better18:01
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mhollisjrWhere else does Kubuntu load things from besides Autostart? my Autostart directory is empty, yet somehow compiz and yakuake keep loading at startup and one of them is causing instabilities18:21
LynoureI seem to have lost the ability to play .mov in Hardy. Any ideas how to get it back? I do have ubuntu-restricted-extras already18:22
Arandx1250: oh, if it still matters (about the sound): http://pastebin.com/d46b36c2118:22
Lynouremhollisjr: they are part of your session, I bet.18:22
Lynouremhollisjr: check from System Settings -> Advanced -> Session manager18:22
Lynouremhollisjr: starting with a new one once usually is the easiest way to wipe them. Or killing them before exiting kde18:23
mhollisjrso they're being auto-restored?18:23
mhollisjrmost likely I mean?18:23
LynoureThe whole session gets auto-restored.18:24
keith_hey what is /dev/hdc now that /dev/hdc appears to be gone?18:25
CVD-PRCheeese when the 8.04 RC googna came out? i cant wait any more.....18:25
mhollisjralright that's set, now before I relogin, where are the sessions actively stored at for restoration? I'd like to be able to check these things manually in the future18:26
PiciCVD-PR: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/HardyReleaseSchedule18:26
x1250Arand: yes, thanks =)18:26
keith_anyone know the device name for cdrw drives?18:26
LuckriderI know this is gonna sound reterded, but how do I turn Java script on in Firefox?18:27
LynoureI have quicktime-utils, libquicktime1, what else I need for playing Quicktime on Hardy?18:27
LynoureLuckrider: preferences, content, enable javascript18:28
Luckriderthsnks Lynoure18:28
CVD-PRso im gonna install the 8.04 beta, any problema than may enconter?18:28
keith_CVD-PR: stuff might not work.  it's in beta.18:28
Luckriderit looks like it is on18:28
LynoureCVD-PR: might not be able to play Quicktime anymore...18:28
Luckriderthanks18:28
keith_CVD-PR: well my nvidia card worked fine when i first installed it, now it's broken and so is the opensource drivers for my ati card on my other box18:29
CVD-PRMaybe better to wait for he RC18:29
savvasLynoure: quicktime? why not? some quicktime movies play well in realplayer18:30
keith_CVD-PR: my /dev/hdc and /dev/hdd are gone and i can't find their device names... one of my drives isn't even showing up currently and stuff is being difficult now18:30
Lynouresavvas: before they played in Miro and Kaffeine, today not in either18:30
CVD-PR:-(18:30
savvasah no idea18:30
LynoureI cannot remember when I tried before, but pretty sure it was after upgrading to Hardy18:30
ptn107CVD-PR: i am fortunate to have experienced no problems, give the beta a try or grab the most recent daily http://cdimage.ubuntu.com/daily/current/18:30
DanaGhdc and hdd, if they're cd drives, are probably now scd0 and scd1.18:31
savvaskeith_: i thought all the hard drive devices are /dev/sd* now18:31
DanaGOh, and look at /etc/udev/rules.d/70-persistent-cdrom.rules18:31
keith_ah thanks18:32
akk/dev/hd* is still working for me18:32
CVD-PRnever new the daily thing!18:33
savvasCVD-PR: mind you, the sooner you try it, the less bugs you will have in the future :)18:34
mhollisjrok the system logged in a wee bit faster, but still not as fast as it should be, where can I view all applications set run on login?18:34
mhollisjrthat are not in Autostart, this is KDE 418:34
CVD-PRim gonna wipe the current to install this18:35
CVD-PRtha the is .jigdo?18:35
Lynoureseems my problem was bug #21051018:35
ubotuLaunchpad bug 210510 in xine-lib "[Hardy Heron] Some formats including quicktime (.mov) and m4v stop playing with xine after upgrade" [Undecided,Fix released] https://launchpad.net/bugs/21051018:35
CVD-PRbt if i install the current know , theni have to download a lot of updates?18:38
CVD-PRfrom  the current to the final18:38
LynoureCVD-PR: yes, even often day-to-day18:38
omarI've configured the windows key on my keyboard so that it opens the start menu when pressed, I forgot how to stop it, can anybody help me?18:38
LynoureCVD-PR: I'm downloading about 188M of upgrades as we speak, and not the first or last time for that amount, I bet18:39
CVD-PRsystem-preference-keyboard shortcuts18:39
W8TAHany of the devs / packagers around? -- ive been running hardy for week or 2 now on my laptop and im happy to answer Q / give feedback if they want it18:41
dj1_hi everyone18:43
dj1_u guys awake?18:43
LynoureW8TAH: best way is to report the bugs you've found18:43
W8TAHdone so18:43
dj1_anyone can help me?18:44
W8TAHonly had one crop up - and i follwed the instructions it presented to report it18:44
W8TAH(cant remember what it was at this moment)18:44
dj1_my compiz is dead since i upgraded18:44
jbroomedj1_: ask your question18:44
Lynouredj1_: Concentrate... your mind seems too cloudy for me to pick the question from there =) Or you can just ask it aloud :)18:44
dj1_lol18:44
savvashahaha18:45
dj1_when i try it, there is no WM anymore18:45
dj1_i checked with true combat elite, 3D is working18:46
dj1_lol18:46
dj1_but compiz --replace18:46
dj1_doesnt apear and doesnt complain either18:47
savvasdj1_: sudo apt-get install --reinstall compiz compiz-core compiz-fusion-plugins-extra compiz-fusion-plugins-main compiz-plugins libcompizconfig0 compizconfig-settings-manager metacity metacity-common18:47
dj1_thnx right away18:47
dj1_i will have to reedit to white list fglrx ?18:48
dj1_/usr/bin/compiz: 406: /usr/local/bin/compiz: not found18:49
dj1_i know how to fix this18:49
dj1_brb18:49
dj1_nope, still down18:51
nedwi'm on hardy and when i run "sudo aptitude install wine" and "sudo apt-get install wine" both say that wine has no installation candidate18:51
mhollisjrother than Autostart, where might stuff be loading at login, assuming the session is not being restored?18:52
Flannelnedw: pastebin your sources.list18:52
jbroomewine probably isn't in the hardy repos yet18:52
BobSappim having krash show a SIGSEGV error as soon as i login, aparently somewhere in KSaveFile::KSaveFile() does anyone know what apps might contain this so i can remove them and maybe login to my account?  I dont mind reinstalling or whatever.  aparently the library is libkdecore.so.418:52
savvasdj1_: did you log off and hit ctrl-alt-backspace?18:52
mhollisjrno wine is in the repos18:52
BobSappisnt it best to compile wine from source anyway?18:52
mhollisjrI installed it from stock yesterday18:52
dj1_nope should i ?18:52
FlannelBobSapp: no18:52
BobSapparent the repos older?18:53
savvasdj1_: yeah :)18:53
dj1_ok wait for me !! brb18:53
savvasdj1_: not sure if i'll be here, but ok :P18:53
FlannelBobSapp: Winehq has a current one, if you absolutely must live on the edge.18:53
BobSappi guess the hardy ones were18:53
BobSappupdated18:53
nedwhttp://pastebin.ca/97134718:53
RotlausI got again a 386 and a general kernel installed. Which one is the one preferred to use? Why are both installed?18:54
keith_does grub install to the mbr or to the root partition in ubuntu?18:55
Flannelkeith_: stage 1 installs to the MBR18:55
keith_k18:55
keith_thanks18:55
FlannelRotlaus: use the generic if you can18:56
mhollisjrok how can I troubleshoot a pausing interface (freezes for about 10-20 seconds) on login, without anything in Autorun or being restored?18:56
Flannelnedw: And `sudo apt-get update` doesn't give you any errors, correct?18:57
mhollisjrit only does it on login18:57
nedwno18:57
nedwi'll tryadding winehq's  repository18:57
nedwoh they only have up to gutsy18:57
dj1_same problem18:58
Aranddj1_: Have you tried renaming compiz -> compiz.real according to http://wiki.cchtml.com/index.php/Ubuntu_Gutsy_Installation_Guide#3D_desktop_effects (look in "rename path section" there)18:58
dj1_yes i have :)18:58
Arandah...18:58
Flannelnedw: You have universe, you have wine.  So, updating doesn't cause problems.  What does `apt-cache policy wine` show?18:58
nedwinstalled (none) candidate (none)18:59
nedwbut i just discovered that i'm getting an error now18:59
nedwwith apt-get update that i didn't have before18:59
Flannelnedw: What error?  on the update? right.  Universe can't be read or something?18:59
dj1_ok i am going thru the url u gave me19:00
SammIndustriehi guys - i'm having a fantastic problem here - my bloody headphones won't wor!19:00
dj1_arand19:00
nedwhttp://pastebin.ca/971353 here19:00
SammIndustriecan anybody help?19:01
SammIndustrieyes? no?19:01
nedwsammindustrie what's the volume? sometimes you have to go into the sound control panel19:01
nedwto change to volume of the headphones independently19:01
SammIndustriethere's no option to edit headphone volume; there's nothing displaying headphones19:01
clarezoeanyone knows how to make a screenshot including the mouse cursor?19:02
graft_gimp?19:02
tlsarlesIs it just me, or does Firefox crash frequently on Hardy?19:02
jbroometlsarles: it's almost like it's beta software running on a beta OS!19:02
x1250tlsarles: not for me19:02
mhollisjrwhat is the name of the app that previously allowed me to use my G11 volume control to control sound volume?19:02
SammIndustriei use a VIA HD audio sound card, but nothing whatsoever for headphone19:03
graft_tlsarles: it's pretty stable here, except for pulseaudio related bugs19:03
SammIndustrietlsarles : nothing except image rendering on scaled images for me, it seems19:03
nedw"pulseaudio bugs" > maybe that's your problem19:03
akkhmm, I thought gimp could screenshot the cursor now, but it isn't doing it for me19:03
teamcobraare there adverse effects to forcing all newly-created users to be part of the group "users" instead of a group named after the user (I'd like to enforce a quota on a machine for the 'users' group, just got that set up)19:03
SammIndustriehow do i go around sorting that, nedw?19:04
tlsarlesI installed FF2, because I figured the FF beta was the problem, but 2 is still doing it..... but hmmmm.... I never thought of it being audio related. It most frequently crashes when a video is opened19:04
dj1_aran it worked, i forgot the pluging path !19:04
jbroomevideos tend to have audio19:04
tlsarlesright O19:04
dj1_but vlc using XV is black window now19:04
philsfis there any chance that firefox will revert to version 2 instead of 3 for Hardy final?19:04
nedwhm, i don't know19:04
x1250I dont think so19:04
dj1_same as gusty19:04
akkclarezoe: I think I remember kscreenshot might have been able to capture the cursor19:05
tlsarlesI needed to go back to vers 2 anyways for firebug19:05
akkclarezoe: There is some version of gimp that can do it, but I'm not sure if the one in hardy can19:05
clarezoeakk, thanks, I've tried the sreenshot in gimp, but I can't find the option that I can include the mouse cursor, I'll try kscreenshot then19:06
dj1_anyone knows how to make work XV with compiz ?19:06
Arandafk there for a while dj1_: I haven't gotten it to work, I just put gstreamer and vlc to use X11 output instead.19:09
dj1_ok thnx body19:09
clarezoeakk, I can't find any kscreenshot package, is it included in hardy?19:09
jbroomeclarezoe: ksnapshot19:10
clarezoejbroome, thanks19:10
jbroomeapt-cache search screenshot | grep kde19:10
x1250or aptitude search ~skde | grep screenshot19:11
akkhmm, at least on gutsy ksnapshot doesn't do it either19:11
clarezoejbroome, akk, I'm using gnome, there's only one screenshot come out by apt-cache search, gpe-screenshot19:13
clarezoeakk, seems it doesn't do it19:13
akkclarezoe: There's also scrot, but I don't think that can get the cursor19:13
jbroomei am too, still was able to find kde packages in the repo19:14
jk_is there anyway to play 2 source of sounds, on ubuntu the second is always muted.19:14
clarezoeakk, no19:14
akkclarezoe: I know I saw something that managed it (might have been gimp cvs) ... I'm trying to find the reference19:14
clarezoeakk, thanks19:14
SpudDogghas anyone else had an issue with wpa_supplicant.conf being blank when installed?19:15
clarezoeakk, gonna go for a while, leave me a PM, I'll check it later19:15
jk_what kinds of emails can you set up using evolution or thunderbird19:15
rikaihttp://www.pulseaudio.org/ticket/270 <- Mmm, can anyone reproduce this gstreamer/pulseaudio bug? Trying to find smarter people that can post more information than myself. :P19:15
akkclarezoe: okay, I'll let you know if I find it. I know it required an X extension that only got added fairly recently, which is why most programs don't do it19:16
x1250Thanks for pastebin Arand, I was missing a package :)19:18
Arandnice to be of service :)19:19
alecwhI have a video card blacklisted on the compiz-fusion website (http://wiki.compiz-fusion.org/Hardware/Blacklist), so Ubuntu won't let me use desktop effects. Does Ubuntu 8.04 fix it?19:21
alecwhMy video card: Intel Corporation Mobile GM965/GL960 Integrated Graphics Controller19:21
Smygiswhats the name of the grafical x config tool thats gone missing now in hardy. But its there cuz it started when i upgraded my gfx card from a geforce3 to a ATI RAGE LT PRO.19:22
Joe_CoThey, I've been trying to dist-upgrade for a few days now, but I keep running into the same issue. Any expectation of it being fixed soon? : http://ubuntu.pastebin.com/d7cdcf87119:22
Smygisits annoying to run 800x600 on a 1650x1050 screen. And i have no idea what to add in xorg.conf. it whas easy in the past but now that file is just a blank file. Halelulja for autocont that doesnt work!19:25
Smygisautoconfig19:25
jbroome!resolution | Smygis19:25
ubotuSmygis: The X Window System is the part of your system that's responsible for graphical output. To restart your X, type « sudo /etc/init.d/?dm restart » in a console - To fix screen resolution or other X problems: http://help.ubuntu.com/community/FixVideoResolutionHowto19:25
mhollisjrOkay this is really getting annoying, Nothing is in autostart, the session is not being restored, where is Compiz loading from?19:27
rpedroSystem -> Preferences -> Appeareance properties?19:29
akkIn case anyone else was following the screenshot discussion (I've msged clarezoe), the info is at http://www.nabble.com/screenshot-with-mousepointer-td13275133.html19:30
Arandalecwh: I don't think so, since it's because of Compiz, what you could do is ignore the blacklist according to compiz's instructions on that site, at own risk of course....19:31
alecwhI've tried it, Totem (and other video applications) crash.19:31
Smygishere goes nothin19:32
mhollisjrwell I'd say that would be it except Yakuake keeps loading too from somewhere,19:33
Smygisnope none of that shit worked.19:34
Smygisubotu, YOURE SOURCES ARE DEPRICATED!19:34
identitxAny help please? Why would booting into Ubuntu 8.04 (latest beta) on my primary NTFS via Wubi, and running "sudo ifconfig eth1 mtu 1400" cause Windows to forget or corrupt the drivers of my wireless adapter (eth1) on the next boot?19:35
kevorHello, is it known that the language is not properly set?19:36
Arandalecwh: dunno if you can do anything more then... other than bitch at Compiz-developers to add support for it...19:37
kevorthe menu titles, shutdown buttons and all are not in the correct langugage19:37
Smygisjbroome, no19:37
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mattikhello, why sudo visudo doesn't work for me. If i press i for insert new row I cannot add empty rows. I get letters under arrow keys.19:40
kevorany word on my language problem? Is it known, is there a solution?19:42
mhollisjrwhere does plasma launch from?19:42
identitxkevor: Do you want it as English?19:42
identitxOr are you having to change the language19:42
RyanPriorI'm having trouble with direct rendering on my graphics card. My glxinfo says "direct rendering: No (LIBGL_ALWAYS_INDIRECT set)" but I know I have had direct rendering available on this card before. I'm using the fglrx driver, which I installed using the restricted hardware drivers manager. Can anybody help me learn more about this system in order to solve the problem?19:43
RyanPriormhollisjr: Type "which plasma" in the terminal.19:43
kevoridentitx: I'm trying to set the language as Dutch19:43
mhollisjrno I mean where does it launch from at login19:43
nemoRyanPrior: you need LIBGL_ALWAYS_INDIRECT with fglrx to use compiz19:43
kevorduring installtion, selected those options, and after install personally installed language-pack-nl19:44
kevorthe dutch dictionaries and all are avialable, but not everything is translated (which was translated in 7.10)19:44
RyanPriornemo: A number of games I want to play are complaining about lack of direct rendering, unfortunately. Is there any way I can get Compiz to see always indirect while getting my games to see direct rendering?19:44
identitxAnd you've changed it via System > ADministration ? Language Support?19:44
RyanPriormhollisjr: It launches at login the same way it launches from the terminal.19:45
nemoRyanPrior: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/AIGLX19:45
kevorindenlet me try19:45
mhollisjrwhen I login19:45
nemoRyanPrior: run your games outside of compiz, or wipe the env var?19:45
* identitx is not in Ubuntu right now due to above problem so can't remember whether it is still there or not.19:45
mhollisjrRyanPrior: when I login, what calls Plasma? what file?19:45
nemoRyanPrior: just a guess, fortunately don't have that issue myself since my machine has nvidia19:45
nemoRyanPrior: while compiz was still unstable and my card was short on mem, I used to run a separate plain X session for games19:46
identitxIs there any reason why changing my MTU in Ubuntu would cause Winows on next boot to not recognise my wireless adapter?19:46
RyanPriornemo: Is there a way to toggle compiz? If I disable it, will my direct rendering automatically turn on?19:46
RyanPriormhollisjr: Don't know - that would be a good question for KDE people, I think.19:46
joebob777as7RyanPrior get compiz-icon it allow you to disable and enable19:47
mhollisjrI have a feeling they're going to send me back here, but I'll ask ty19:47
nemoRyanPrior: are you using gnome?19:47
identitxHard question I know. Since it is a Windows problem mainly. But MS would only blame Ubuntu.19:47
RyanPriornemo: Yes.19:47
kevoridentitx: it seems i forgot language-pack-gnome-nl in my manual attempt, it is installed now, should be fixxed19:47
nemoRyanPrior: then yeah, just disable it in the visual effects tab19:47
nemoLIBGL_ALWAYS_INDIRECT should only be set on compiz launch19:47
nemoRyanPrior: might want to just try unsetting the var though...19:48
RyanPriorThanks for the suggestion - just disabling Compiz and rebooting enabled my direct rendering.19:53
RyanPriorI don't really care about Compiz that much, so I'll hold off on trying to install AIGLX.19:53
nemoRyanPrior: rebooting shouldn't have been necessary...19:56
nemoRyanPrior: as for "installing" aiglx - you were undoubtedly using it19:56
RyanPriornemo: Restarting gdm didn't work, restarting X didn't work, but a full reboot did for some reason.19:56
nemothat doesn't make any sense, but ok19:56
RyanPriorDirect rendering has been broken on my card for a long time, so it's nice to have any at all. :-)19:57
lintelhi, please help with AR5007EG which needs THIS patch: http://madwifi.org/ticket/1679 -- QN: do I have to deactivate HAL?19:59
mhollisjrokay I found this file: "/etc/X11/Xsession.d/25enable-compiz" which appears to be where compiz is starting from is it safe to simply delete?20:00
mhollisjror is there a better way to remove it from startup?20:00
nemomhollisjr: um...20:00
nemomhollisjr: why are you not just disabling compiz from the gui?20:01
mhollisjrbecause no one has yet told me where to do that20:01
nemomhollisjr: gnome?20:01
mhollisjrkde20:01
mhollisjr420:01
nemoah. n/m20:01
nemodon't know where KDE keeps that20:02
Turskieh, why you using compiz in kde4?20:02
mhollisjrI'm trying not to20:02
TurskiKmenu -> System -> Desktop Effects20:02
Turskii think...20:02
Turskibut iäm not sure20:02
mhollisjrno option20:02
mhollisjrthe really wierd part is I've uninstalled it, exited X, then logged back in and poof compiz was running which really confused me20:03
mhollisjrI have it installed again to prevent trouble till I find the config issue20:03
Arandhow do you remove flash plugin from firefox 3b4 ?20:04
nemoArand: depends on how you installed it20:04
nemodid you use apt ?20:05
Arandthrough firefox dialog.20:05
nemoArand: why not let apt manage it?20:05
mhollisjrso then would you think it'd be safe to delete that startup file?20:05
mhollisjrI checked the contents, compiz is the onlytihng in it20:05
nemoArand: firefox 3 lets you enable/disable plugins... see under Add-ons20:06
Arandyea, but that only disables it, right?20:06
Arandnot uninstalls20:06
nemoArand: I'm not totally sure where it puts libflash if you install that way.  probably under ~/.mozilla/firefox20:06
nemorun a find for it20:06
Arandoke20:07
cheatersrealmI am trying to upgrade to hardy, I get the following message: The following packages have unmet dependencies: libgnomekbd1: Depends: libgnomekbd-common (= 2.20.0-1) but 2.22.0-1 is to be installed.20:07
mhollisjrI'll take best guesses20:07
mhollisjralright deleting it20:08
mhollisjrok in answer to the question, compiz is now disabled20:10
mhollisjrand my login freezes are gone20:10
kevorHello, gnome and all are in Dutch, but still firefox is ignorant to the changes, anyone a clue how to solve it?20:11
derspanksterif your video card can't support compiz, isn't compiz disabled by default?20:11
derspanksterkevor: FF3 is available in dutch from Mozilla but maybe the version in the Ubuntu repos is not20:14
SmygisOne simple question.20:17
SmygisHow can i change the resulution when i cant use dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg, Change the xorg.conf myself or use the 'Screens and grafix' tool who all semms to have gone missing in hardy in one way or another.20:19
RyanPriorSmygis: boot into diagnostic mode, select the "Fix X server" option, then continue booting.20:20
RyanPriorSmygis: That ought to fix whatever resolution problem you're having presently, allowing you to use the normal tools to tweak further.20:20
Smygisthats the same as  dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg20:20
SmygisAnd it doesnt work20:21
RyanPriorSmygis: Reinstall, or start reading the fine manual on X.org in order to fix everything by hand.20:21
SmygisHow ubuntu. Remove nice guis and refer to manpages.20:22
SmygisAll i want is to run my 22" 1680x1050 screen in 1680x1050 and not in 1152x86420:24
KalElsome packages are marked with a small star in synaptic... do you know what that means?20:24
rikaiSmygis, the GUI isnt removed.20:24
zorglu_!info nasm20:24
ubotuPackage nasm does not exist in hardy20:24
SmygisWhere is it then?20:24
rikaiSmygis, you've done something to mess it up, and therefore it doesnt work.20:24
DanaGOOh, something new I just figured out: you can send files over Bonjour in Pidgin.20:24
DanaGSweet.20:24
rikainasm does too exist, ubotu, you silly bot...20:25
mrtimdogQuick one, if anyone else uses screenlets clock, or cairo-clock, are theirs 1 second slow and 2 seconds slow respectively?20:25
zorglu_rikai: do you know the version available ?20:25
Smygisrikai, whats the name of it so i can start it from a terminal.20:25
x1250Smygis: you'll probably missing your monitor vertical and horizontal refresh rates on xorg.conf20:25
SmygisOMG! It whas fine untill a changed grafixcard 20 minutes ago20:27
rikaizorglu_, 0.99.06-2 according to ubuntu.20:27
zorglu_rikai: arg... i need 2.02 aka the last stable from http://nasm.sourceforge.net/20:28
RyanPrior!info nasm20:28
ubotuPackage nasm does not exist in hardy20:28
RyanPriorThat is weird. Bot must be broken.20:28
x1250Smygis: could you elaborate a bit? more info = more help20:28
RyanPriorYou suck, Ubotu.20:28
rikaix1250, wont it pick sane defaults if he moves xorg.conf?20:28
x1250rikai: it could, but its just a software guess20:29
rikaiwell, i was going to try and help him troubleshoot... but he's gone and left... >.>20:31
x1250Ah, I don't even realize when people leave, I disabled join/part messages :)20:31
DanaGhttps://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/linux/+bug/18822620:33
ubotuLaunchpad bug 188226 in linux "Kernel should use CONFIG_FAIR_CGROUP_SCHED" [High,Fix released]20:33
DanaGWhat about the -generic kernel?20:33
jimqodeXnest does not redraw correctly. I'm running it with Xnest -ac. Any ideas?20:36
pepie34since the new kernel update20:37
pepie34wifi is not working20:37
pepie34keep having a lot of Rx invalid nwid20:38
mindframe-what are the advantages of using pulseaudio?20:39
mindframe-as opposed to alsa?20:39
FinnishHow to get latest Bluez-packets?20:40
jimqodemindframe-, pulseaudio can make virtual audio cables that connect applications' sound inputs/outputs to each other, and it can also mix the sounds from each application with differing volumes20:40
FinnishLatest kernel broke my bluetooth-connection20:40
mindframe-mm20:40
nemojimqode: pulseaudio also does streaming no?20:41
x1250Finnish: you can installed your previous kernel with aptitude. linux-image, linux-headers, linux-ubuntu-modules and linux-restricted-modules20:42
x1250install*20:42
FinnishHmm20:43
x1250for example if you want to install 2.6.24-12, then linux-image-2.6.24-12-generic, etc.20:43
FinnishOr should I wait for something in the future?20:43
FinnishI'm quite happy ATM with Hardy20:44
x1250its your choice20:44
jimqodenemo, what do you mean by streaming?20:44
FinnishYeah, as always20:44
x1250i wouldn't wait, there is no good reason20:44
FinnishI know it was something about bluez-utils20:45
h3sp4wnFinnish: It broke my bluetooth also -20:45
DanaGPulseAudio doesn't do virtual-audio-cables, I believe.20:45
DanaGI haven't seen how to do it, at least.20:46
h3sp4wnBut building all new userland stuff from the bluez site didn't fix it20:46
Finnishh3sp4wn: I looked for some launchpad-tips etc, but got nothing20:46
FinnishYou tried?20:46
nemojimqode: I thought pulseaudio service allowed for pushing audio to other linux machines20:46
h3sp4wnI did - part of bluez is missing also20:47
nemojimqode: occurred to me I could do easy networked sound at home if that was case, but hadn't looked into it yet20:47
nemomusic in every room20:47
jimqodenemo, I think it does.20:47
DanaGYup.20:48
DanaGcopy .pulse-cookie from one computer to the others you want to allow to use that one.20:48
Finnishh3sp4wn: So I guess it is just a matter of time when it's fixed?20:48
h3sp4wnpulse adds so much latency (noticed it with ut2004)20:48
graft_if only pulse could push to itunes20:50
jimqodeh3sp4wn, in theory pulse should add 0 latency. But i didn't measure it.20:50
nemoDanaG: nifty. will have to play with it20:50
arachnistgraft_: well, pulse should be able to push audio to osx20:51
graft_there's no pulse for osx, arachnist20:51
nemograft_: perhaps one of the iphone dev community  internet radio apps supports pulseaudio...20:51
graft_does anyone get firefox crashes with 'pulse_stop: Assertion `pcm->stream' failed.'?20:51
h3sp4wnjimqode: Well with OSS4 I can run ut2004 everything on max at 1920x120020:51
DanaGPulseAudio doesn't work with oss4.20:51
h3sp4wnWith pulse its unplayable without turning loads of stuff down20:51
DanaGAnd oss4 hard-locks with my Audigy2 card.20:51
h3sp4wn(and Alsa + pulse)20:51
evan_wich keyboard profile must i choose by default us international ( alt gr death keys ) wont give me double quotes?20:52
evan_dead keys*20:52
DanaGaltgr deadkeys works fine for me.20:52
DanaGOdd.20:52
jimqodeh3sp4wn, you can configure pulse to use oss as its interface. There shouldn't be a latency difference between alsa and pulse though20:52
DanaGI tried it and got an assertion failure, or a segfault, or something, with oss4.20:52
graft_i thought oss is just a compatibility layer sitting on top of alsa these days?20:53
evan_DanaG indeed wierd now i got quotes again :|20:53
pepie34am I the only one to have wifi probleme since the last kernel update?20:53
derspanksterpepie: I had no problem, using B4320:54
pepie34I'm using madwifi-svn since AR5008 are not suported with the restricted module20:54
pepie34I'm booting back in 2.6.24-12 and everything work20:55
mindframe-I'm having a problem getting pulseaudio working: audiotestsrc wave=sine freq=512 ! audioconvert ! audioresample ! gconfaudiosink: Failed to connect: Connection refused - Does this mean the server isn't running?20:56
h3sp4wnjimqode: Its noticable between OSS4 and Alsa the latency issue20:56
jimqodeh3sp4wn, but that is a problem with alsa, not pulseaudio.20:57
ihasnam i the only person not having problems with 8.04?20:57
graft_yep20:57
ihasnhardy got everything fiesty couldnt get working20:57
jimqodeI am also not having problems20:58
graft_well pulseaudio is still buggy for me20:58
h3sp4wnjimqode: Yep the thing is most of what makes pulse useful for Alsa is not an issue for OSS anyway20:58
graft_at least firefox/pulseaudio is20:58
Lynoureihasn: What kind of problems are you not having, and do you need help with that? :)20:58
graft_but i think that's the only bug i have20:58
pepie34I've got some problem in audacityt20:58
pepie34the ouput plugin may vary20:58
pepie34not always select alsa default20:59
pepie34do no why20:59
ihasni am having a problem with stable power to my chu...we keep getting mortared and the guys working on the generator cant finish cleaning it20:59
x1250I have some problems with flickering on with 3d apps + ati drivers + compiz, but that seems to be a known issue. 8.04 works ok...20:59
pepie34an other person with wifi or madwifi problem with the last kernel ?20:59
h3sp4wnI am just using 0.9.4 built myself21:00
ihasnpepie ive always had a problem with wifi and the wpasupplement with the 2.6 kernal21:00
h3sp4wnath5k seems promising21:01
h3sp4wnI just cannot get it to see channels 12/1321:01
ihasnonly way i can get wifi to work is after i verify my wifi crap works with an unsecured network21:01
ihasnh3sp4wn maybe 12/13 have to much noise from other devices in your hosue?21:02
h3sp4wnihasn: My network has been on 13 since forever21:02
h3sp4wnBecause there is much less noise21:02
ihasnnm that then21:02
h3sp4wnihasn: Are you just using /etc/network/interfaces21:03
ihasnim not using anything...havnt needed wifi since i got all paranoid and installed network lines in each room21:04
sourcemakerhow can I install the vmware-server on hardy?21:04
h3sp4wnI wish I had done that - took me 6 months to get a reliable wireless going (and there is 4 routes)21:04
ihasnsourcemaker you check apt-get?21:04
sourcemakerihasn: yes... I have... but there is no package... I think there is an additional repository required to install the vmware server21:05
ihasnyou check the senaptic(sp?) source?21:05
h3sp4wnWell the source package is what makes linux-restricted-mpdules so big21:06
h3sp4wnsourcemaker: Any reason why not virtualbox21:07
ihasnh3sp4wn, a coder is going to shoot me for this, but thats why god invented bigger harddrives and fatter pipes21:07
sourcemakerh3sp4wn: I have already installed WIndows on VMWARE21:07
h3sp4wnsourcemaker: You can convert the images with qemu-img if you want21:07
h3sp4wnI installed it for my little brother yesterday and am pretty impressed so far21:08
sourcemakerh3sp4wn: what's the package: virtualbox-ose?21:08
h3sp4wnsourcemaker: I got the less free deb from virtualbox21:09
jbroomeapt-cache search virtualbox21:09
sourcemaker!virtualbox21:09
ubotuvirtualbox is a x86 !virtualizer. A !free edition is available in !Gutsy as 'virtualbox-ose'. A non-free edition is available at http://virtualbox.org for most Ubuntu releases (help in #vbox) - Setup details at https://help.ubuntu.com/community/VirtualBox21:09
joachim_is the linux-image-virtual kernel better than the standard generic kernel for running VMware?21:11
sourcemakerh3sp4wn: I will try this now21:11
nosrednaekimjoachim_: something tels me that for XEN21:11
h3sp4wnvmware really doesn't like the timer to run at anything other than 100hz21:12
joachim_nosrednaekim, at least VMware seems to be running flawlessly on the generic kernel21:12
sourcemakerh3sp4wn: can you tell me... how I can convert my 40GB vmware files?21:13
joachim_h3sp4wn, and what frequency is the timer using for virtual and generic kernels?21:13
sourcemakerh3sp4wn: will module do I require? server|gerneric|virtual?21:14
sourcemakerh3sp4wn: which module...21:14
savvasbah, another linux kernel upgrade and i just rebooted :P21:16
ihasnsourcemaker...gerneric is always a good choice when you dont know21:16
h3sp4wnjoachim_: generic is 25021:16
sourcemakerihasn: are there big differences?21:16
ihasni dunno21:16
savvasneah21:16
orvokkiIs it a desktop computer?21:16
ihasnbut ive never gone wrong with generic21:17
savvasit's a really small difference of speed21:17
orvokkiFor desktop afaik mostly -rt if works and -generic otherwise.21:17
h3sp4wnsourcemaker: If you get the deb straight from virtualbox then as part of installing it then it builds the modules for you21:17
orvokkiOh, sorry. I think I just mixed up two conversations...21:18
orvokkiReading back.21:18
sourcemakerh3sp4wn: can I also install the linux-image-2.6.24-14-rt for my destop system? Is this kernel running faster?21:18
orvokkiMight be more responsive in desktop use. Not faster as such.21:19
h3sp4wnI wouldn't use a rt kernel with any virtualisation21:20
sourcemakerorvokki: are you using rt?21:20
orvokkiSure.21:20
orvokkih3sp4wn: Hmm, I wouldn't know about that.21:20
orvokkiBut you might be right.21:20
sourcemakerh3sp4wn: Now... I installed the generic module... how can I convert my vmware image?21:21
h3sp4wnsourcemaker: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UbuntuMagazine/HowTo/Switching_From_VMWare_To_VirtualBox:_.vmdk_To_.vdi_Using_Qemu_+_VdiTool21:23
_moro_bana_hello, i have a q? on gutsy.allowed?21:23
cwillu<rant>21:24
cwilluomg pulseaudio is such a piece of crap21:24
cwillu</rant>21:24
orvokkicwillu: What's the issue?21:24
cwilluit's blown out my ears three times in the last hour21:24
cwillufull volume white static21:24
orvokkiI've so far liked PulseAudio.21:24
cwillustereo has reversed twice in the last hour21:24
orvokkiThen again, I keep my volume at max usually and control volume via stereos.21:25
cwilluand occasionally I just get glitchy audio with a 5 full-volume echo's of everything that plays21:25
orvokkiCan't go at least louder accidentally.21:25
cwilluorvokki, yes, but with a decent recording, going from the music straight to full spectrum noise is _very_ loud21:26
orvokkiRight.21:26
cwillume no like that :p21:26
h3sp4wnEven with the best algorithm set and the test sine wave I never got it bit perfect21:26
orvokkiI wonder why I haven't had any of those probs.21:26
cwillume has a very nice set of headphones to focus aformentioned white-noise into his skull21:27
orvokkiUpdated your PulseAudio recently?21:27
orvokkiOr rather, ran an upgrade all in all recently. :)21:27
_moro_bana_is there any client to connet to microsoft vpn other than kpvn21:27
cwilluI'm up to date as of yesterday, although I've been seeing this for a month or two (worse in the last little while I think though)21:27
h3sp4wn_moro_bana_: There is a few ways it can be setup21:28
orvokkiHmm, System -> Administration -> Login Window working for everyone?21:29
ihasnyah21:29
cwilluorvokki, was broken on a laptop I was working on yesterday, haven't played with it a whole lot21:30
cwillu(login window that is)21:30
cwilluworking on my desktop though21:30
orvokkiIt didn't start for me and my hard disk's making constant noise now.21:30
h3sp4wn_moro_bana_: depending on how much pain the adminstrator is willing to go throu21:30
_moro_bana_h3sp4wn: other than kvpn? i would like to try that.because kpvnc is always giving me problems, last i got it to work, but dont really know how i did that21:30
orvokkiThis doesn't look good. I think I'll try to logout.21:30
_moro_bana_h3sp4wn: im prepared to learn21:31
h3sp4wn_moro_bana_: It can do ipsec but its really painful and not worth the effort I don't think21:31
h3sp4wnhttp://pptpclient.sourceforge.net/ there is that or it could be using l2tp21:32
mhollisjr I'm attempting to bind my forward and back keys on my mouse, and I have a working configuration, with one major problem, if I'm holding down my right mouse button at the same time, the event doesn't fire, so my question is how can I make it so that button works even if I'm holding down button 3, but not when I'm just hitting button 3, here's my relevant  .xbindkeysrc http://pastebin.com/d7ce7a1e821:32
h3sp4wnmhollisjr: Make sure you are using evdev before you start21:33
sourcemakerh3sp4wn: I have a lot of vmdk files... how do I convert them all?21:33
jk_is there a way to change the funtions of one of my keys? i have a tiny backspace, i keep hitting the home button next to it, anyway to change home to backspace aswell21:34
mhollisjrh3sp4wn: that could fix this?21:34
edgyHi, I did ufw deny 22/tcp and ufw status shows 22:tcp                     DENY    Anywhere but when I tried ssh myip it still works21:35
jbroomeedgy: do you need to restart ufw after making a change?21:35
h3sp4wnmhollisjr: Its possible it might jut work without even needing to do anything21:35
mhollisjr-nod- I just checked adept, and evdev is not listed, where can I get that from?21:36
h3sp4wnIts part of X21:37
h3sp4wnxserver-xorg-input-evdev21:37
NukeSkyjumperok, contain your laughter... my hardy box was rooted by a user with a shell21:37
mhollisjrsorry for being a pain where do I configure it then?21:37
NukeSkyjumperobviously that shouldn't even be possible21:37
edgyjbroome: I tried this but still same effect. iptables -L gives DROP       tcp  --  0.0.0.0/0            0.0.0.0/0           tcp dpt:22 which measn it already takes effect!21:38
NukeSkyjumperdoes anyone here have a suggestion of where (on the system) to look for the vulnerability, so it can be reported21:38
edgyjbroome: could it be because I am trying to ssh from my pc to my pc?21:38
nosrednaekimNukeSkyjumper: ask the person who exploited you21:39
nosrednaekim^_^21:39
jbroomeedgy: perhaps.  might be an exception for localhost21:39
kaje1Will the upgrade path from 8.04 BETA to 8.04 production be pretty painless or will it require a fresh reinstall?21:39
nosrednaekimNukeSkyjumper: did they have sudo access?21:39
jk_has anyone had a problem with the new kernel21:39
NukeSkyjumpernosrednaekim: not as an admin21:39
h3sp4wnmhollisjr: I read stuff on the gentoo wiki21:39
edgyjbroome: I am not ssh localhost, I am ssh 192.168.1.521:39
* dwidmann is back.21:40
jbroomeedgy: BTSOM21:40
jbroomedwidmann: thanks for the update.21:40
mhollisjralright I'll see what I can find thanks21:41
nosrednaekimNukeSkyjumper: but they did have sudo?21:41
dwidmannjbroome: :D21:41
jbroomedwidmann: there was no ":D" implied in my statement21:41
NukeSkyjumpernosrednaekim: they had access to the sudo binary, of course. but no priveleges set up21:42
dwidmannjbroome: whatever you say21:42
edgyjbroome: np, thanks for your care21:42
_moro_bana_h3sp4wn:the ipsec thingy, will  that be all under CLI21:42
h3sp4wn_moro_bana_: For Windows it will be in various policy editors21:43
jbroome!away | dwidmann21:43
ubotudwidmann: You should avoid changing your nick in a busy channel like #ubuntu - it causes unrequired scrolling which is unfair to new users.  (Please set your preferred nick in your client's settings instead.)  The same goes for using noisy away messages; use the command "/away <reason>" to set your client away silently.  See also «/msg ubotu Guidelines»21:43
h3sp4wn_moro_bana_: I would use Openvpn (even under windows)21:44
_moro_bana_h3sp4wn: im on ubuntu21:44
nosrednaekimNukeSkyjumper: maybe try #ubuntu-security21:44
nemojbroome: #ubuntu+1 is now considered noisy?21:44
Flannelor -devel maybe21:44
h3sp4wn_moro_bana_: But you control the server right ?21:44
denndaDoes Totems new youtube plugin work for anyone?21:45
denndaI always get an error21:45
_moro_bana_h3sp4wn: no,just an ordinary user, want a vpn client for internet21:46
h3sp4wn_moro_bana_: Well you have to find out what they use - is it your work or a univeristy or ?21:47
White_MagicIs that Upgrade problem fixed21:49
White_MagicI mean While using hardy?21:49
White_Magicthe one thats was sopposed to be fixed within a day or so?21:49
_moro_bana_h3sp4wn: university network, im a student.ok21:50
jbroome_moro_bana_: you're going to need a machine outside your uni network to vpn *to*, you have one?21:51
h3sp4wn_moro_bana_: Are the instructions on how to connect online ?@21:51
chdstThere was a simple GUI tool that you could use to change your video driver (not the restricted manager)...does anyone know what that is, or have one to recommend?21:51
_boikhutso_jbroome: ? as in my comp?21:52
_boikhutso_jbroome: or the internet server?21:52
h3sp4wnchdst: The displaysettings-gtk (I think thats the one) its never worked well in hardy for me21:54
chdstThanks, h3sp4wn...that was what I was looking for.21:55
ferric84where did "screens and graphics" go?21:56
h3sp4wnFor that stuff I have never sene anything work better than draxconf21:56
_boikhutso_jbroome: _morobana_ =boikhutso21:57
h3sp4wn(In pclinuxos - wonder why that wasnt packaged)21:57
h3sp4wnThink its mandriva who actually develop it though21:57
_boikhutso_ /msg NickServ IDENTIFY gamaila21:57
Flannelbjwebb: you'll want to change that password21:57
Flannel_boikhutso_:21:57
_boikhutso_Flannel; yes?21:58
ferric84does anyone know why I can't see "screens and graphics" in preferences, but I can access it through the terminal?21:59
bjwebbFlannel: that wasn't for me, was it?21:59
_boikhutso_ferric84: try to add that to the main menu22:00
_boikhutso_ferric84: prefrences->main menu the add that22:01
Gnine                                              long live linux22:04
insomninjaanyone know the current state on wacom (bamboo) support in hardy22:04
insomninja?22:04
macsimam I the only one with hal broken after the last update ?22:07
crimsuna bit more specific, please?22:07
Gnineyes22:07
jaffarkelshachas the new kernal messed with anyone system22:07
Gnineno22:07
macsimsure, I made an update 2 hours ago with the kernel 2.6.24-15, and now when I start gnome I have the message Unable to initialize hal22:08
Gnineyou got serious borkage if that happened22:08
macsimGnine, so I do aptitude upgrade22:09
cybercyststuff has been crashy since i updated today22:09
Gninenot here22:09
macsimaptitude install me gnome-desktop update and some lib22:09
macsimGnine, everythings seams to work, I just loose network-applet and I have to dhclient my eth0 to get internet22:10
cybercystanyone else here use the fglrx driver?22:10
* dwidmann feels sorry for cybercyst22:11
penlol22:11
* Gnine uses nvidia22:11
* cybercyst feels sorry for me too... until the open source driver comes out, which will kick arse22:11
* dwidmann uses nvidia also22:11
* pen feels sad.22:11
cybercystreally as i see it, ati si the only way to go22:11
cybercystnvidia will be a binary blob forever22:11
cybercystand intel hardware is poop22:11
derspanksterbetter than SIS22:12
dwidmanncybercyst: Sure, as soon as ATI drivers aren't poop I'll take a gander :P22:12
cybercyststill, no one here is using fglrx?22:12
Gninegot nvidia on 2 machines by choice22:12
Gnineno issues22:12
* pen use NVIDIA so no fglrx22:12
h3sp4wnI have been pretty happy with nvidia ever since I go this quadro in my laptop22:13
cybercysti've been pretty happy with my ati, actually22:13
pencybercyst: are u using intel? or AMD?22:13
h3sp4wnI prefer the picture quality on most ATI's22:14
Gninethat too.. amd ftw22:14
penoh22:14
googlahAnyone in here playing Sauerbraten on Hardy?22:14
penHave you guys heard of playonlinux?22:14
cybercystamd22:14
jaffarkelshacwhat is Sauerbraten googlah22:14
penIt's like a script center for installing various windows games to linux22:15
penjaffarkelshac: google... it's a famous FPS for linux22:15
jaffarkelshacdoes wine not work for windows games?22:15
googlahAn very nice FPS-game. jaffarkelshac22:15
penjaffarkelshac: not every game22:15
googlahlike enemy of territories.22:15
cybercystthat is my problem, right now there is fglrx/wine borkage22:16
cybercystthat is my only problem with fglrx22:16
jaffarkelshaci will try it out, i asked this room a while back and i got quake simlar games, et, openarena nexuiz.22:16
cybercystand then it is only suspected borkage, i was hoping for verification22:16
* dwidmann disappears to play Q422:16
kaje1Will the upgrade path from 8.04 BETA to 8.04 production be pretty painless or will it require a fresh reinstall?22:16
penjaffarkelshac: you like FPS?22:16
Gninesauerbraten only got 3 stars in popularity22:16
jaffarkelshaci do, a lot pen22:17
penkaje1: it should be be painless.22:17
googlahThen I can recommend Sauerbraten (just apt-get it), but mine will not work from yesterday jaffarkelshac. :(22:17
penjaffarkelshac: cool, then what kind of FPS you like?22:17
dotechanyone ever use a HeadRoom Total BitHead mobile headphone amplifier with Hardy?22:17
dotech'cuz im about to try22:17
jaffarkelshacwell i play source, battlefield 2, unreal22:17
googlahbut I had 150-200 frames per second while it was working, such an performance to be ubuntu and *unix :)22:18
penjaffarkelshac: i see, so fast pace22:18
penjaffarkelshac: you should be happy with the quake like games in ubuntu22:18
ethana2tremulous22:18
ethana2nexuiz, openarena, alienarena, warsow, sauerbraten22:19
ethana2and the up-and-coming apricot.... though that's not very quake-like ;)22:19
penyou even can install cod4 to ubuntu22:19
ethana2give crystal core a spin and see how you like it22:19
ethana2cod4??!22:19
penwell not exactly install22:19
jaffarkelshaci like nexuiz, very fast pace22:19
penyea22:19
ethana2Call of Duty FOUR?22:19
ethana2What--22:19
penIt's possible22:19
ethana2wow!22:19
ethana2I have CoD222:20
googlahwhat game do you guys recommend?22:20
ethana24, whoa22:20
googlahthan sauerbraten22:20
penyes, you can install that too22:20
jaffarkelshaci am yet to install a game like bf2 with wine22:20
nemogooglah: Spring22:20
nemogooglah: runs natively, nice graphics, fun RTS22:20
ethana2googlah: all the ones I mentioned22:20
ethana2give them all a try22:20
ethana2and Spring for rts, yeah22:20
pengive all the games a try.22:20
penwirh wine22:20
ethana2yup22:20
ethana2not like it costs you anything22:20
nemogooglah: spring + spring lobby22:20
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googlahcool. fetchable through apt-get nemo?22:20
jaffarkelshacbut i think since online requires an encrypted registry cd-key22:21
nemogooglah: dunno. I tend to build it myself. is fairly trivial, and that way I can test release and HEAD22:21
nemogooglah: the spring wiki has the apt-get line for the build deps :)22:21
nemogooglah: probably is in apt-get though22:21
ethana2firefox: Fatal IO error 11 (Resource temporarily unavailable) on X server :1.0.22:21
ethana2Segmentation fault (core dumped)22:21
jaffarkelshacsauerbraten is installing, i have to download a 230mb file though22:21
ethana2It's been doing this to me all week.....22:21
penjaffarkelshac: yea22:21
googlahno, it wasn't nemo. hm, what is their website?22:21
ethana2games are big, it's the artwork22:21
nemogooglah: http://spring.clan-sy.com22:21
penethana2: when did it start doing that22:21
ethana2I don't remember exactly22:22
penethana2: and what did you do22:22
ethana2dual seat?22:22
nemogooglah: hm. website is being a little slow for me22:22
spudgunnerspring is awesome22:22
ethana2pen: how do I get more details?22:22
googlahjaffarkelshac: yep. :) if you have a good line it will go fast though. try instagib while on net22:22
nemogooglah: http://spring.clan-sy.com/wiki/Linux_Page22:22
jaffarkelshac2 min left22:22
penethana2: just tell me what did you do before it starts the error22:22
sourcemakeris there a vmware package for hardy?22:22
nemogooglah: http://spring.clan-sy.com/wiki/Ubuntu_install22:22
ethana2nothing in particular22:22
ethana2I'll be chatting in pidgin22:23
ethana2and firefox will just explode22:23
pencan u reinstall firefox?22:23
ethana2...or I can be using firefox, and it'll disappear just the same22:23
nemogooglah: my current favourite Spring mods are Balanced Annihilation (of course) and E&E22:23
ethana2uhh22:23
ethana2you think a broken package?22:23
ethana2I just want the next beta22:23
ethana2in hopes that whatever it is has been fixed22:23
googlahnemo: cool. I'll give it a try22:24
* ethana2 checks updates for ff3b522:24
nemogooglah: I hang out in #taspring - we should play a game22:24
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ethana2oh22:24
nemogooglah: BTW, the best AIs for spring are AAI and KAI 0.1322:24
ethana2partial upgrade....22:24
penethana2: just try it, reinstall22:24
nemogooglah: KAI 0.13 cheats so is a little stronger than AAI.22:24
jaffarkelshacgooglah, 1 shot kill game nice22:24
ethana2I think I broke my apt22:24
penethana2: why?22:24
ethana2golden gun ;)22:24
googlahcool nemo. I'll add the repo's, and then go for "spring" and "spring-lobby"22:24
ethana2it says partial upgrade..22:25
ethana2and then22:25
ethana2you identified?  I'm going to pm you this22:25
dotechI/O error22:25
ethana2pen: you see it?22:25
dotechError reading boot CD. :(22:25
ethana2brb22:26
dotechSATA dvd-rw22:26
penethana2: yes22:26
googlahnemo: I'll join #taspring22:26
ethana2...any thoughts?22:27
penethana2: didn't I pm you back?22:28
jaffarkelshacgooglah, instagib is not in repo22:28
penethana2: use command line22:28
ethana2you did not22:28
ethana2terminal open22:28
pensudo apt-get dist-upgrade22:29
sliptteeshardy released in shipit ?22:29
ethana2ok, looks like it's happy for now22:29
ethana2it's removing some stuff, installing some stuff22:29
dotechI wonder why I can't read the boot CD.22:30
dotechThe ubuntu screen comes up and it loads kernel 100%, then the error pops up22:30
dotech8042009F in the top left22:30
dotechi assume that is some error code in hexadecimal22:31
penethana2: :)22:31
dotechI/O error: Error reading boot CD.22:31
dotechill try changing the SATA configuration in my BIOS22:31
googlahjaffarkelshac: In the game i mean.22:31
googlahserver list. instagib.22:31
googlah:)22:32
jaffarkelshacohhh22:32
jaffarkelshaci thought it was a game22:32
dotechinstagib dm-1722:32
genpfaultIs there any way to set Xorg 7.3 to use nvidia instead of nv in config-less mode?22:32
jaffarkelshacbrb22:32
orvokkiDefine config-less mode.22:32
genpfaultWhere you just remove your xorg.conf and let X autodetect everything22:33
sourcemakerhow can I configure the grub root... after installing the new kernel... the menu.lst has been re-generated... but wrong... root (hd0,0) instead of root (hd1,0)22:33
pensourcemaker: can you boot?22:33
Gninecheck system>administration>hardware drivers   enable restricted22:33
pensourcemaker: if you can boot then it's correct isn't it?22:34
orvokkiHmm, a new set of nvidia-glx-new seems to be out.22:34
White_MagicIs there anyway to Overide FF3b4's Decline of Plugins because they dont provide "Secure" Updates?22:34
sourcemakerpen: well.... I have to change the root in the grub menu...22:34
sourcemakerpen: without changes... I can't boot the system22:34
orvokkiKinky, kernel+headers @ 2.6.24-15 seem to already be out.22:35
pensourcemaker: are you in ubuntu?22:35
sourcemakerpen: I am using kubuntu hardy22:35
pensourcemaker: I mean, did you change the root at the grub?22:36
pensourcemaker: when you boot22:36
Gnineto edit grub, open terminal , do  sudo gedit /boot/grub/menu.lst22:36
genpfaultGnine: the nvidia driver works fine with my old xorg.conf, it's just that I can't find any way to get X to prefer it over the nv driver in config-less mode22:36
sourcemakerpen: yes...22:36
sourcemakerpen: and then I have changed the value in the menu.lst22:36
pensourcemaker: actually there is an app which can simplify your grub men.lst to GUI22:36
mindframe-how can I disable the 2nd workspace in gnome?22:36
Gnineonce the restricted driver is selected whatever you imply wont matter22:36
penit's called QGRUBEditor22:37
pentry it22:37
ethana2mindframe-: right click the applet22:37
penchange on the fly22:37
sourcemakerpen: where is the difference? I can also edit this file on console....22:37
ethana2mindframe-: preferences22:37
ethana2it should be obvious from there22:37
sourcemakerpen: but I have to change the config on each kernel update ;-)22:37
dotechshould i configure my SATA devices as AHCI?22:37
dotechor leave them as IDE, IDE seems to be causing problems with the boot cd22:38
pensourcemaker: no, I don't think so, usually grub will detect your root automatically22:38
pensourcemaker: I don't understand why it changes to the wrong one22:38
jaffarkelshaci just tried out the game, very very fast paced22:38
penfor you22:38
sourcemakerI have three partitions... maybe there is something wrong22:38
sourcemakeri mean three hard disks22:38
pensourcemaker: ok..22:39
pensourcemaker: whatever, try QGRUBEditor22:39
penyou would love it if you like GUI22:40
jaffarkelshacgooglah, very good game22:41
dotechman this is a nightmare22:42
dotechi can't even get the boot cd to work :\22:42
googlahjaffarkelshac: it sure is. was it smooth for you?22:42
jaffarkelshacgooglah, very good, and it is smooth, i have not tried online yet22:42
dotechhas anyone installed hardy with a sata optical drive?22:42
googlahgreat. we should play, although mine is not working. lol22:43
dwidmanndotech: I have22:43
dotechit doesn't seem to work right, i've tried IDE and AHCI modes22:43
dotechin IDE mode i get i/o errors after the kernel load 100%22:44
dotechin AHCI mode the boot cd isn't detected as a bootable disc22:44
dwidmanndotech: that's no fun, are you dead positive it's that specific drive?22:44
dotechnope, i only have 1 sata drive22:44
dotechi just built this pc last night22:45
dwidmanndotech: if it's not being detected as bootable ... that's probably the motherboards fault.22:45
dotechin 7.10 i can boot into ubuntu22:45
dwidmanndotech: I built mine last week :)22:45
dotechin 8.04 it fails after it says kernel 100% with "Error reading CD"22:45
dotechI could try burning the CD again for Hardy22:45
dotechat a slower speed :)22:45
dwidmanndotech: come to think of things, I was using the alternate, but it booted up okay. (I had other issues with the installer though)22:46
dotechI'll try burning at 4x22:46
dwidmanndotech: run the "check cd for errors" thing?22:46
dotechthat's always worked for PS2 games22:46
dotechyea same error when i try that22:46
dwidmannFun fun22:46
dotechwe'll see, ill reburn it22:46
dwidmannWhich drive did you get so I can remind myself not to buy one?22:46
googlahjaffarkelshac: yeah.. it is good to see ubuntu really keep up the performance. :-)22:46
x1250you could install 7.10 and full-upgrade to 8.04 also22:46
jaffarkelshacgooglah, oh yeah, i switched last week and i use my windows less and less22:47
dotechdwidmann, haha, its this one http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E1682715115322:47
dotechi think its probably just the CD though, i'm trying again now :)22:47
dwidmanndotech: kay then22:48
googlahjaffarkelshac: me too. :D22:48
Gninethere is a possible firmware issue22:48
dwidmannThat's a good drive, I can almost guarentee you it's not the drive. in fact, if you click all reviews, mine is third from the top22:48
dotechx1250, if i have to i'll do that22:48
dotechdwidmann, its not the drive i used to burn the cd though22:49
jaffarkelshaci do with it had a broader game though googlah22:49
orvokkiRight, just updated to 2.6.24-15, seems to work fine.22:49
dotechhaha good22:49
dotechshould i run the drive as AHCI?22:49
dotechor IDE?22:49
dwidmanndotech: I'm running it as AHCI and it seems to be doing okay22:50
dotechok nice22:50
dwidmanndotech:  though I changed this yesterday, when I installed I had it set to IDE (it was the default on the board)22:50
dotechhmm ok, good to note22:50
dotechi tried both and they did act differently22:50
dotechin 7.10 i have to use the "irqprobe" workaround22:50
nemoeep22:51
dotechbut with that it works fine22:51
nemo226 upgraded, 0 newly installed, 0 to remove and 9 not upgraded.22:51
nemoNeed to get 245MB of archives.22:51
nemoAfter this operation, 778kB of additional disk space will be used.22:51
nemook. clearly things change fast22:51
dwidmanndotech: Might be your motherboard22:51
geniehosthello everybody how to install CompizConfig in 8.4?22:51
dotechAbit IP-35 Pro22:51
dotechi hope its not the motherboard, its a quality part22:51
Gnine!ccsm | geniehost22:51
ubotugeniehost: To enable advanced customization of desktop effects in Ubuntu 7.10 (Gutsy), install 'compizconfig-settings-manager'. A new option will appear in your appearance properties - See also !compiz - Help in #compiz-fusion22:51
dwidmannDoesn't mean that it's fully supported/not buggy to use22:52
dotechtrue22:52
dwidmannWhat are the chipsets on that board?22:52
Gninesame for 8.04 , geniehost22:52
dotechactually you know what, its definitely this CD-RW22:52
dotechTDK is crap :)22:52
dwidmannI think it's the southbridge that matters IIRC, mine has an ICH9R southbridge dotech22:52
dotechi've had issues with this in the past now that i thought about it, i'll use a sony disc instead22:53
h3sp4wnThe most reliable I have ever seen compiz is on SuSe SLED22:53
h3sp4wnWith Xgl + nvidia22:53
dotechdwidmann, i think i have the same southbridge22:53
White_MagicI thought Nvida didnt need XGL?22:53
x1250is it possible to get smooth scrolling with touchpad in hardy?22:54
dotechburning on a sony cd-rw @ 7x, this should do it22:54
dotechcd-r rather22:54
dwidmanndotech: certainly hope so\22:54
Gninei only have normal settings with no ccsm ... all i need22:54
dwidmanndotech: I never use22:54
dwidmannRW's ....22:54
dotechyea me neither22:54
dwidmann(curse that enter key)22:54
x1250I found this post, but I don't know if it applies now: http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=66682822:54
h3sp4wnWhite_Magic: Thats true but Novell did the testing etc22:54
dotechjust a habbit of mine to say rw22:54
dwidmanndotech: non-rw's are sooooooo cheap22:55
dotechlol yea, i have like 500 of them here, i think they were free too22:55
h3sp4wnAnd are / were willing to support it properly22:55
billisnicewelcome to the jungle22:55
dotechbootable cds always seem sensitive to the quality of the disc itself22:55
dotechand the speed at which it was burned22:55
dwidmanndotech: truth, I've coastered many a CD22:56
dwidmanndotech: especially with that one drive that went bad22:56
geniehostthanks Gnine22:56
geniehostGnine, works22:56
geniehost;)22:56
Gnine10-422:56
White_Magicis it safe to Update yet...?22:57
jaffarkelshaci did no problems i have the 15 now22:57
jaffarkelshacupdates are coming in like water22:57
White_MagicI thought it had problems with Restricted Modules?22:58
dwidmannbillisnice: We've got fun'n games22:58
jaffarkelshacthe last two kernel updates took away my ability to control lcd brightness which i a annoyed about, i adjust when pc starts22:58
dotechdwidmann, booting up now, fingers crossed22:59
dwidmanndotech: what proc did you go with?22:59
dotechcore 2 quad core, 660022:59
dotechits temp is only 18C right now, which is amazing22:59
dwidmann:O22:59
dotechi have to OC it :)22:59
dotechi was planning to use this PC as a space heater23:00
dwidmanndotech: I'm going the other route, trying to make it silent.23:00
dotechother than my GPU fans it is silent23:00
dotechthose GPU fans are quite annoying though23:00
dwidmanndotech: ordered a huge heatsink for my GPU the other day23:00
dotechany recommendation how to deal with that? (i have 2 video cards btw)23:00
dotech7600GT BFG Tech, they're OC'd in the box23:01
jaffarkelshacis it really necessary to overclock in ubuntu?23:01
* Gnine got two fans and it sounds like a pressurized plane cabin here23:02
dwidmanndotech: put a good heatsink on them, and use some large, quiet 120mm fans with good airflow around them maybe?23:02
dwidmannGnine: replace them?23:02
dwidmannjaffarkelshac: depends what you want to do.23:02
Gninei kind of like that noise23:02
dwidmannjaffarkelshac: ie: if you were folding, doing statistics stuff, etc, overclocking would definitely be useful23:02
dotechhmm yea i need 120MM on them23:03
jaffarkelshacdwidmann, but why, in windows i get it, its for games pretty much23:03
dotechmy case has 5 120MM, 1 220MM, and the CPU's fan is like 90MM but its only 18dB23:03
dotechPSU is 120mm too23:03
dotechthe GPUs are killer though23:03
dwidmannjaffarkelshac: overclocking the cpu generally isn't all that useful for games seeing as the GPU does all of the work, you'd need to overclock the GPU ....23:03
dotechactually CPU fan is 110mm23:04
dwidmanndotech: I've got 2 120mm, 2 80mm, and I have a 110mm on the CPU (16dB at lowest setting)23:04
calcdwidmann: overclocking the cpu helps to compile faster ;)23:04
dotechcalc, exactly :)23:04
dotechand run unit tests faster23:04
jaffarkelshaci wonder how well games play under ubuntu with wine23:04
calcdotech: especially stuff like openoffice, hehe23:04
sourcemakercan I download the vmware-vdiskmanager to convert the images without downloading the complete vmware-server package?23:05
jaffarkelshacanyone tried23:05
dotechyep23:05
jaffarkelshacwhich game23:05
dotechdamn, disk boot failure still23:05
dwidmanncalc: yeah ... it'd be nice if there were some concurrency going on with the compiles :( .... My quad wants some work to do :)23:05
calcdwidmann: yea it doesn't work too well, there is support for it in the ubuntu packaging but its disabled by default23:05
Gnine!wine23:05
ubotuWINE is a compatibility layer for running Windows programs on GNU/Linux. See https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Wine for more information, and see !AppDB for application compatibility.23:05
dotechjaffarkelshac, sorry i meant yep to calc's comment23:05
dotechi haven't gotten ubuntu to boot yet :)23:06
calcdwidmann: when we had it enabled it would inevitably fail on the buildds a different one each time23:06
jaffarkelshacits fine23:06
dotechok so with AHCI, i can't boot any ubuntu disc23:06
dwidmanncalc: *nod* ... sad though, it took me 45mins to compile myself a kernel yesterday23:06
calcdwidmann: you can enable it if you want to compile your own ooo debs23:06
jaffarkelshacam off to play games23:07
dotechoh damn, i think its using the wrong boot device23:07
teufelhundenHey, have a question about my GPU (8800 GT): In my efforts to get GLX working, the only driver I have found to work is the proprietery driver off of nvidia's website.  However, every time I restsart my computer the driver won't work untill I reinstall it.  Seeing as how I switch hardrives and reboot often, this is a... major inconvinence.  Any ideas?23:07
dotechit made up this "SATA CD" device, but it also has my real cd drive in the list23:07
* Gnine does not think thats an ubuntu specific issue, dotech 23:07
dwidmanndotech:  weirrrrrrrrrrrd.23:07
dotechyea i don't think so either23:07
dotechi'll figure it out on my own, definitely not a ubuntu problem23:08
h3sp4wnIt shouldn't matter anyway its the whole point of the UUID stuff23:08
nemoteufelhunden: WAG - it hasn't been added to modules to load on startup23:08
nemoteufelhunden: so you keep reinstalling it to execute the modprobe23:08
dwidmannh3sp4wn: If only grub could use UUIDs instead of its own (hd,x) system ...23:09
nemoseems it'd be easy to test this by trying to do a modprobe instead of a reinstall23:09
teufelhundenOk then23:09
nemoteufelhunden: and reason it isn't being loaded on startup is probably 'cause the nvidia installer sucked.23:09
teufelhundenWell, its the only way GLX works, so i'm kind of stuck there.23:09
h3sp4wndwidmann: The bios usually can make sure that its going to boot from one23:09
nemodwidmann: it can't?23:09
nemoh3sp4wn: once BIOS has loaded drive though. I see what he is saying23:10
nemohad a friend who was being...23:10
nemooh wait. I remember what he did23:10
nemohe mucked with udev23:10
nemomade sure that certain UIDs always got certain drive letters23:10
dwidmannh3sp4wn: nemo: the hard drives sometimes end up out-of-order thgough, in which case grub goes crazy and you have to fix it manually.23:10
nemothat way his grub mappings were always right23:10
Gnineuuid has nothing to do with bootloading23:11
nemodwidmann: you can work around that. tad annoying that it isn't default behaviour, but I guess it is to allow for sane drive swapping. ro something.23:11
nemoGnine: UUID can be used for udev though23:11
nemoGnine: which means you can map /dev/hdz to a specific drive23:11
nemoGnine: then, your boot loader, which read its boot partition fine, can find the other drives correctly.23:11
Gninethats the OS/kernel job23:11
dotechdwidmann, fixed :)23:11
nemoGnine: I know :) I'm noting that's where he fixed it :-p23:11
nemoluckily not a problem I have23:12
dwidmannBasically, what I mean is, instead of telling grub to boot using root device hd(0,4), boot from UUID=.... - that would be nice.23:12
dotechafter i changed the SATA chip from IDE to AHCI it didn't select the correct device as the boot device23:12
dotechit had SATA CDROM, which apparently isn't really my SATA cd rom23:12
h3sp4wnSun has some really cool things its changed about grub23:12
dotechi had to select the TSblah-CCD device which was my real optical drive23:13
nemodwidmann: yeah. just muck with udev.  then set your entries in your /boot/grub/device.map to match23:13
nemodwidmann: almost as good as UUID in device.map23:13
Gninethat takes the flavor outta modular computing23:13
nemoGnine: better than his issues with failing to boot every time he added/removed a drive.23:14
dwidmannnemo: , not really, but it's a fix, I just pulled my other drives for now. I plan on selling a couple of them, casing my 400GB, and I've kept the 750GB in.23:14
h3sp4wnThe network attached storage stuff is worse to deal with23:14
dwidmannnemo: cut power consumption by about 40 watts by pulling those three drives out.23:14
dwidmannnemo: (down to ~105watts idle now)23:14
nemonice.23:14
nemoI need to do more on that front. my computers are like half my house electrical bill these days :-/23:15
dotechhaha23:15
nemogiven the lights are all CFs.23:15
dwidmanndotech: I know what you mean ... my old rig was sucking about 300 watts on idle23:15
nemodwidmann: yeah, that's like 20 compact flourescent bulbs.23:15
h3sp4wnMy Sun is 625W idle23:16
dwidmannnemo: my laptop in battery mode, assuming ACPI isn't lying too bad, when I've tweaked things in powertop, uses no more than a compact fluorescent.23:16
frostburnwhere can I find the latest default configuration files?  I want to make sure a configuration file isn't in the new build, and or build open a bugreport ifso23:16
dwidmannh3sp4wn: That sounds expensive.23:16
h3sp4wndwidmann: Fortunately I don't pay for my electricity whilst I am in uni accodation23:17
Gnineyou are using a mainframe for desktop23:17
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h3sp4wnIts a Sun Blade 1000 - its a workstation not a server23:17
dotechif i install hardy with only 1 of my 3 monitors hooked up will that change anything? i.e., will i have to do extra work to configure the other 2 monitors if i don't have them hooked up during the install?23:17
dwidmannh3sp4wn: You're lucky for that then23:18
dwidmanndotech: it probably won't set them up for you anyway, you'll have to do that yourself, using nvidia-settings command23:18
dotechok23:18
dwidmanndotech: though I'm not sure how well it copes with three monitors, I know it works very well for two.23:19
Gninedefault23:19
h3sp4wnDepends on the card as well23:19
dwidmannh3sp4wn: he has two 7600gts23:20
dwidmann(assuming I'm right in saying he, odds are statistically pretty good)23:20
dotechwell, i'll get it working if its the last thign i do ;)23:20
dotechyes23:20
sourcemakercan I download vmware-vdiskmanager as a separed file? To download the complete vmware-server package does takes a long time with my slow dsl23:21
dotechdamn it doesn't seem to detect my MS wireless mouse23:22
almostdvs"failed to run /usr/bin/synaptic ...   ... unable to copy Xauthorization file"   can anyone help?23:22
dwidmanndotech: maybe it will work with the evdev mouse driver?23:22
dwidmann(long shot, but hey, try it)23:22
dotechsure23:23
h3sp4wnsourcemaker: did you look / ? http://petruska.stardock.net/software/VMware.html23:23
dotechmy wired usb mouse works :)23:24
dotechgood enough for now23:24
sourcemakerh3sp4wn: it's not for linux...23:25
dotechthe wireless usb should look the same so doubtful its a ubuntu problem23:25
dotechyep, works now, just old mouse problem :)23:27
dotechthey get tired in old age23:27
dredhammerHello guys just ran into an error with Hardy, all i did was install the OSE version of virtualbox did a reboot and the error Failed to Intialize HAL is there on boot23:32
dredhammereven though virtualbox is uninstalled it keeps popping up23:33
dredhammerand i have no net connection, right now this is via the live cd23:33
boxybrownwill https://help.ubuntu.com/community/PostfixCompleteVirtualMailSystemHowto work with hardy?23:34
dotechThe ext3 file system creation in partition #1 of SCSI4 (0,0,0) (sda) failed. :\23:36
dotechguess i'll try setting the partitions manually23:39
Thib_hmm23:39
dotechseems to get to about 5% then dies23:40
Thib_I just got a new laptop and slapped the beta on it23:40
Thib_but it doesn't seem to be working out of the box23:40
Thib_I'm only able to choose between 640x480 and 800x600 resolution, and my wireless interface isn't listed anywhere23:41
Thib_so, overall, it seems that it's working but not recognizing quite everything I'd want it to.23:41
Thib_anybody can help me with that?23:42
dredhammerwhat's the video chipset Thib?23:42
dotechhehe, ubiquity closed unexpectedly, must have excepted23:42
Thib_I don't know; how can I find out? presumably by grep'ping for the right thing in dmesg or similar23:43
dredhammerwell if its a new laptop it should be in the manual itself :)23:43
dredhammerintel?23:44
dredhammervia?23:44
dredhammernvidia?23:44
Thib_oh I see23:44
dredhammerfor the video chipset23:44
Thib_the spec page says NVIDIA GeForce Go 7150M23:44
dredhammerwell23:44
dredhammeris the restricted drivers installed?23:44
dredhammerfor nvidia23:44
dotechi hope ubiquity wasn't something important23:44
dredhammerno clue what that is dotech23:45
dotechme neither haha23:45
dotechits resizing the partition regardless23:45
dotechah, that actually acquires drivers23:45
Thib_when I first logged in, a bubble told me that restricted drivers were in use, and it lists three such drivers.23:45
dotechgets 3rd party drivers23:45
Thib_one is "nvidia_new"; it says "Enabled" (the box is checked) but then in the next column it says "not in use"23:46
larson9999my screen resolution gets reset every time i reboot.  is there some setting i need to change so it's kept from one session to the next?23:46
larson9999i don't remember setting anything in previous versions for this to happen.23:46
dredhammerwhats your video chipset/card larson9999?23:47
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dredhammerThib_ that may be your problem23:47
dredhammerenable the restricted nvidia drivers23:47
larson9999dredhammer, nvidia go2 or whatever the notation is for the laptop cards23:47
dredhammerthen install the nvidia video settings tool23:47
Thib_how do I do that?23:48
dredhammerthen set the correct screen resolution23:48
Thib_oh wait23:48
Thib_well23:48
dredhammerreboot and it should work23:48
Thib_for one thing the wireless doesn't work either23:48
dredhammerworked in previous ubuntu?23:48
Thib_so maybe if I fix that first then I can get online, then download some drivers :-)23:48
Thib_unfortunately I'm mixing two issues here; it's a new laptop23:49
larson9999dredhammer, you're in two conversations about similar topics!23:49
dredhammereerie aint it?23:49
Thib_I tried 8.04beta on it but have no previous installation of Ubuntu on it, so I don't know if it worked previously or not23:49
Thib_the other two drivers listed in the bubble have to do with wireless, but they say "Enabled" and "in use"23:49
dredhammerlarson9999 enable your restricted nvidia drivers install23:49
larson9999dredhammer, for me, the video card is installed properly and opengl works and everything.23:50
dotechanyone else ever have a problem with the guided partitioning?23:50
dredhammerthen install nvidia settings23:50
dredhammerand edit your screen resolutions etc from there23:50
dredhammerthen reboot23:50
dotechit seems to be failing to create the first partition because it fails trying to write the ext3 file system23:50
mhollisjris there a way to use a keybinding to open dolphin?23:50
dredhammermake sure to unlock aka run the app as root23:50
dredhammerfor the settings to be saved23:50
larson9999dredhammer, and nvidia settings are set correctly.  i change the resolution to the one i like, 1024/768.  when i reboot it reverts to a higher resolution.23:51
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dredhammerdid you launch it as temp root23:51
dredhammersudo nvidia-settings23:51
dredhammerthen save the configuration to xorg?23:51
dredhammerthere should be a button to do that23:51
dredhammerin there23:51
Thib_the other two drivers listed are "Atheros hardware access layer" and "Support for Ahteros 802.11 wireless LAN cards"23:51
dredhammerhmm23:52
Thib_they both say "enabled" and "in use" but I don't see my wireless interface anywhere (network applet, ifconfig, iwconfig)23:52
johFirefox broken for anyone else on hardy? It's suddenly extremely slow now and hangs every 10 seconds during it's 1min startup time.23:52
dredhammerwell your wireless should be working23:52
dotechanyone have tips on how to debug the installer?23:52
larson9999dredhammer, yeah, and the resolution is in xorg.conf.  it's just not saving my user preference.23:52
dotechi don't mind getting a little dirty23:53
dotechit's failing during the partitioning, if i had some debug logs i could get somewhere23:53
larson9999nvidia-glx is in the upgrade.  guess i might as well wait to see how it behaves after the upgrade is finishe.23:54
erle-wow, there is really a hardy channel23:54
erle-i found it too late, all my problems are solved ;)23:54
dotechnow you can help others :)23:54
larson9999joh, so far firefox3 is great here.23:54
jaffarkelshaci hope someone can help, really annoying me. i cant play sound from 2 diff sources. i have to close the first app first and sometimes, the second app wont have sound until restarti have to use a diff app to watch videos.23:54
Thib_it should be but it doesn't seem to be23:55
Thib_I don't see it listed anywhere23:55
Thib_where is there a list of various hardware on my machine23:55
Thib_I don't know where it's moved to23:55
johlarson9999: Hmm, wierd.23:55
erle-dotech, i was stupid enough to install hardy alpha on my working laptop23:55
erle-few days before beta should start23:55
dotechhaha23:55
erle-but there haven't been very bad issues23:55
dotechi have a brand new system so no problems for me to reinstall or crash :)23:55
dotechonly problem is i can't install23:56
erle-why not?23:56
erle-what system do you have?23:56
dotechguided partitioning fails trying to write the ext3 file system to partition #123:56
erle-dotech, in the graphical installer?23:56
larson9999erle-, dell inspiron 8200 laptop23:56
Thib_does anybody know?23:57
dotechcustom built, brand new hardware, sata hdd, sata cdrom, abit IP-35 pro motherboard, intel core 2 quad, 8gb memory, using 64-bit ubuntu cd23:57
dotechdesktop23:57
dotecherle-, yea the graphical23:57
dotechits in the desktop running okay23:57
erle-and where do you think is the problem?23:58
dotechthats what i'm trying to figure out23:58
erle-try mke2fs manually23:58
dotechif i knew where to look for some logs i could start trying things23:58
erle-maybe it is a bug in the e2fs tools23:58
jaffarkelshacdoes anyone know any channel for discussing computer hardware23:58
Turskidotech: 64-bit on core 2?23:58
dotechok ill try that23:58
erle-they are pretty fresh23:58
|DuReX|the access beyond end of device error should really be fixxed in Hardy when u are using dmraid23:58
|DuReX|its kinda messy23:59
dotechTurski, yea23:59
erle-Turski, yeah, i have it too23:59
Turskidotech: why? O_o23:59
dotech8gb memory23:59
Turskibut.. core2 isn't 64-bit?23:59
Thib_it used to be called Device Manager and it was under System > Administration > Hardware Information23:59
dotechi thought it was?23:59
dotechit says on the box haha23:59
|DuReX|core 2 is 64bit23:59
Turskiwtf23:59
Turskiis it?23:59
dotechyea23:59
|DuReX|yes23:59

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