| mrooney | I am just wondering what the proper way to do it is | 00:01 |
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| mrooney | ideally we could differentiate between versions of Ubuntu | 00:01 |
| mrooney | and say, mark it Invalid in Hardy and Confirmed in Intrepid | 00:01 |
| mrooney | that would be a slick way to handle these sorts of things near release | 00:02 |
| bdmurray | mrooney: by default the bug is considered to apply to the latest version of ubuntu and not a particular release | 00:03 |
| bdmurray | So just leaving it the way it is means it will apply to Intrepid | 00:03 |
| bdmurray | We could open a Hardy task and mark it "Won't Fix" but that could be considered busy work | 00:06 |
| crimsun | not to mention I realised several days ago that a Hardy task apparently implies hardy-{proposed,updates} | 00:06 |
| mrooney | bdmurray: yeah, but I mean for cases where the status is different for different versions | 00:07 |
| mrooney | ie a Won't Fix or Invalid for something in FeatureFreeze, but say Confirmed and Medium Importance for +1 | 00:08 |
| mrooney | otherwise the status is deceptive at some point | 00:08 |
| bdmurray | Hmm, I think I see your point. | 00:10 |
| nabcore | Does anyone acx within ubuntu? | 04:00 |
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| * DOOM_NX good morning all | 07:04 | |
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| WarrenDum | hi | 10:06 |
| WarrenDum | someone knows if ther's progress on the kubuntu bug where gdebi-kde can't install any package/memory issue? | 10:06 |
| WarrenDum | Please: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/gdebi/+bug/153943 | 10:11 |
| ubotu | Launchpad bug 153943 in gdebi "Gdebi-kde uses massive amounts of memory!" [Undecided,Confirmed] | 10:11 |
| WarrenDum | if this isn't fixed for hardy, it will create some problems | 10:12 |
| Tuv0k | W: Failed to fetch http://us.archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/dists/hardy-security/Release Unable to find expected entry web/binary-i386/Packages in Meta-index file (malformed Release file?) | 10:20 |
| WarrenDum | https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/gdebi/+bug/153943 | 10:42 |
| ubotu | Launchpad bug 153943 in gdebi "Gdebi-kde uses massive amounts of memory!" [Undecided,Confirmed] | 10:42 |
| afflux | morning | 11:09 |
| james_w | hi afflux | 11:12 |
| Iulian | Hey | 12:23 |
| james_w | hey Iulian, how are you? | 12:30 |
| Iulian | Hello james. I'm doing fine, thanks. And you? | 12:35 |
| james_w | I'm good thanks. | 12:36 |
| * Iulian is thinking to change his nick from Iulian to iulian. | 12:36 | |
| james_w | why's that? | 12:37 |
| Iulian | A lot of people complains about it. They can't see the difference between I and l ;-) | 12:37 |
| Iulian | What do you think? Should I change it? | 12:39 |
| james_w | ah, it shows fine in my font. | 12:43 |
| * Iulian shrugs | 12:44 | |
| pedro_ | morning! | 13:00 |
| james_w | hi pedro_ | 13:03 |
| Iulian | Hello pedro! | 13:07 |
| pedro_ | hey hey! :-) | 13:09 |
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| === BjornT_ is now known as BjornT | ||
| effie_jayx | hey all... if a package fails to install due to the fact that dependencies won't be installed, does that make it a bug? | 14:04 |
| effie_jayx | or is it just a glitch in the development cycle. and I just wait for it to be fixed | 14:04 |
| james_w | effie_jayx: is there a bug on launchpad I could look at? | 14:04 |
| james_w | it can be either, sometimes you just need to wait a little, sometimes there's a real problem. | 14:05 |
| james_w | so there's a need to investigate | 14:05 |
| effie_jayx | james_w, not actually. I have been trying to install virtualbox, and I find that it can't be installed but I am trying to learn if it is just a bug or that the packages it depends on are not build yet | 14:06 |
| effie_jayx | the error reads something like "The dependencies won't be installed" | 14:06 |
| james_w | effie_jayx: if you are on up to date hardy then there is a problem at the moment as the virtualbox kernel modules are not available for the latest hardy kernel. | 14:07 |
| james_w | that may be the problem, or something else. | 14:07 |
| _MMA_ | Anyone know about /dev/vboxdrv not being created currently? I'm trying to see if this is a bug, or just a missing update for Hardy. | 14:07 |
| effie_jayx | james_w, I am up to date, right. I saw the revision update yesterday. it seems like the dependencies are not built yet. I shall wait a day or two and see | 14:08 |
| effie_jayx | thanks | 14:08 |
| james_w | _MMA_: I think it's the issue that the kernel modules are not available yet | 14:09 |
| james_w | https://bugs.edge.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/virtualbox-ose/+bug/211351 | 14:09 |
| ubotu | Launchpad bug 211351 in virtualbox-ose "virtual box packages need an update for kernel 2.6.24-14." [Undecided,Fix committed] | 14:09 |
| _MMA_ | james_w: Ok. I thought most of that was sorted last night/this morning. | 14:10 |
| * _MMA_ looks. | 14:10 | |
| _MMA_ | james_w: Ok. I see. Thanx man. | 14:13 |
| james_w | no problem | 14:14 |
| qense | hello | 14:24 |
| james_w | hi qense | 14:25 |
| bddebian | Boo | 14:45 |
| qense | hello | 14:45 |
| qense | does anyone know what I should do with bug 186264 ? | 15:02 |
| ubotu | Launchpad bug 186264 in hal "keyboard randomly goes dead; takes a logout to restore functionality." [Undecided,Incomplete] https://launchpad.net/bugs/186264 | 15:02 |
| qense | It has quite some logs attached but I don't know how to decide if the package is right. | 15:03 |
| qense | and of course it should be forwared upstream | 15:03 |
| qense | But is it complete enough? | 15:03 |
| prana | Would the list admin of ubuntu-bugsquad be willing to help get it imported into gmane? http://gmane.org/import.php | 15:04 |
| qense | I don't think so actually | 15:05 |
| qense | Ubuntu uses it own archive system | 15:05 |
| prana | qense: there are plenty of other ubuntu lists already archived on gmane. | 15:06 |
| qense | which lists? | 15:06 |
| prana | http://dir.gmane.org/search.php?match=ubuntu | 15:06 |
| prana | mirroring a list into gmane is very easy... you send them the mbox archive (which mailman keeps anyway) and then subscribe a special address @gmane.org to the list and it keeps everything up to date. | 15:07 |
| prana | you can then read lists via rss or nntp, which is super convenient. | 15:08 |
| qense | so it's basically a way to add more ways to read the maillist | 15:13 |
| prana | sure. | 15:13 |
| qense | ok | 15:14 |
| qense | I think I missunderstood you at first | 15:14 |
| qense | you could ask the admin, but I don't know who that is :) | 15:14 |
| prana | thanks... ;-) | 15:14 |
| qense | at this page you can find more information about the list: https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/Ubuntu-bugsquad | 15:16 |
| qense | I think the maintainer of the list is at the bottom of the page | 15:16 |
| james_w | qense: yeah, I don't know what package that would be | 15:21 |
| james_w | I don't think it's been narrowed down enough to be sure. | 15:21 |
| james_w | is there any clues in the log (didn't bother to read them, sorry) | 15:21 |
| qense | I think it's a freedesktop package, but I'm not sure. | 15:21 |
| james_w | yeah, hal is freedesktop | 15:22 |
| qense | yes, but it could also be in X | 15:22 |
| prana | Is it worth continuing to update bugday topic pages after the fact? | 15:23 |
| prana | qense: thanks, just e-mailed the list owner. | 15:23 |
| qense | ok ;) | 15:23 |
| Pici | not again | 15:24 |
| qense | is it a bot? | 15:24 |
| Pici | !ops | _Czessi excess flooding | 15:24 |
| ubotu | _Czessi excess flooding: Help! Seveas, Hobbsee, gnomefreak, coleSLAW, or dholbach | 15:24 |
| Pici | LjL: -motu and #kubuntu too | 15:25 |
| james_w | prana: I don't think it's worth updating them. | 15:26 |
| james_w | qense: It could be X, perhaps the kernel, there's also a suggestion in the bug that it's g-s-d accessibility features. | 15:27 |
| qense | so it needs more triaging. But how? | 15:27 |
| qense | we could ask at #ubuntu-dev | 15:28 |
| james_w | qense: yeah, that's one option | 15:28 |
| james_w | I don't really know what else to ask for I'm afraid. | 15:28 |
| qense | ok, I'll ask them | 15:29 |
| qense | not again | 15:30 |
| qense | oh | 15:30 |
| qense | :) | 15:30 |
| qense | I was scrolled up | 15:30 |
| qense | and saw the czessi thing | 15:30 |
| james_w | :-) | 15:36 |
| prana | james_w: there ought to be a better way to track shared to-do lists than having to manually update the wiki after every action. | 15:42 |
| james_w | prana: yes, there should really | 15:42 |
| prana | james_w: is there some sort of moinmoin plug-in perhaps? | 15:44 |
| james_w | prana: there's something called editmoin | 15:45 |
| james_w | there's also something called hugday-tools that se | 15:45 |
| james_w | that uses editmoin to update the hug day pages for you | 15:45 |
| prana | james_w: ah, investigating. | 15:48 |
| * thekorn_ waves | 15:49 | |
| james_w | hi thekorn | 15:50 |
| thekorn_ | hey james_w | 15:50 |
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| prana | james_w: that's pretty cool; should definitely mention it on the hugday page b/c hunting down the right line and editing it manually is a pain! | 15:53 |
| bdmurray | Hello all! | 16:30 |
| thekorn | hello bdmurray | 16:31 |
| Iulian | Hi bdmurray, thekorn | 16:32 |
| thekorn | hi Iulian | 16:33 |
| bdmurray | prana: I'll take care of gmane and the mailing list | 16:33 |
| prana | bdmurray: cool thanks | 16:34 |
| bdmurray | prana: no problem, its a good idea. thank you! | 16:34 |
| bdmurray | yuriy: Have you seen bug 153943? | 16:41 |
| ubotu | Launchpad bug 153943 in gdebi "Gdebi-kde uses massive amounts of memory!" [Undecided,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/153943 | 16:41 |
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| afflux | morning bdmurray | 16:46 |
| bdmurray | hello afflux | 16:46 |
| prana | for a bug reported against gutsy that has a fix in hardy (due to updated upstream) ... mark as fix released? | 16:46 |
| bdmurray | prana: Yes, and mention the backport or SRU process where appropriate. | 16:47 |
| afflux | should a bug that existed in gutsy but is not reproducible in current hardy become fix released if we cannot find a specific version where it was fixed? (it just isn't there anymore) | 16:47 |
| bdmurray | I don't think it should be Fix Released if we don't know what the fix was. | 16:48 |
| afflux | so rather invalid? | 16:48 |
| prana | sorry, what's SRU? | 16:48 |
| afflux | stable release updates | 16:48 |
| afflux | prana: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/StableReleaseUpdates | 16:48 |
| bdmurray | Yes, that's what I use. | 16:48 |
| prana | looking at bug 211635, the hardy network manager has solved this problem, i think. | 16:50 |
| ubotu | Launchpad bug 211635 in network-manager "user-friendly way to delete stored ssid's" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/211635 | 16:50 |
| prana | i was going to indicate that Network Manager seems to now have the requested feature. | 16:52 |
| prana | i assume network manager is too tied into current gnome/hal/etc to ever be backported. | 16:54 |
| bdmurray | prana: probably, you check via rmadison to see if there are any backports for it. | 16:57 |
| prana | ah. could i use packages.ubuntu.com too? | 16:58 |
| prana | bdmurray: but either method would only show if a backport exists vs whether one is planned? | 16:59 |
| bdmurray | prana: Yes, it would only show if it existed. I thought it might be a way of checking if a precedent for backporting it existed. | 16:59 |
| bdmurray | rmadison is handy command line utility for finding package versions across releases of ubuntu | 17:00 |
| prana | ah, cool. | 17:01 |
| bdmurray | You mentioned this bug is a feature request in which case it wouldn't be worth of an SRU> | 17:02 |
| * prana has been educated. | 17:02 | |
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| yuriy | bdmurray: yes, known bug | 17:51 |
| bdmurray | yuriy: It is a duplicate then? | 17:51 |
| yuriy | bdmurray: no, metabug | 17:52 |
| bdmurray | mrooney: there is a patch in bug 193617 for testing if you have time. | 18:24 |
| ubotu | Launchpad bug 193617 in gnome-power-manager "Hardy rhythmbox stops screen from blanking on laptop lid close" [High,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/193617 | 18:24 |
| pochu | does "wget https://launchpad.net/ubuntu/gutsy/+source/amule/2.1.3-3ubuntu1/+files/amule_2.1.3-3ubuntu1.dsc" work for someone in Hardy? | 18:57 |
| pochu | that's bug 74315, but reading the report it should work since edgy | 18:57 |
| bdmurray | pochu: works for me | 18:57 |
| ubotu | Launchpad bug 74315 in launchpad "wget https://launchpad.net fails with certificate error" [Undecided,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/74315 | 18:57 |
| pochu | bdmurray: ok, thanks | 18:58 |
| bdmurray | np should I comment on the bug? | 18:58 |
| seb128 | wgeting sources from launchpad doesn't work for me | 18:58 |
| pochu | err, ca-certificates isn't installed... | 18:58 |
| pochu | seb128: do you have ca-certificates installed? | 18:58 |
| seb128 | I face the issue often enough to know it's annoying | 18:58 |
| seb128 | pochu: yes | 18:59 |
| pochu | ok | 18:59 |
| pochu | lol, works for me now after installing ca-certificates | 18:59 |
| pochu | seb128: ^ | 18:59 |
| pochu | dget works now \o/ | 18:59 |
| seb128 | pochu: ah, I might get the issue only from my laptop, not sure now | 19:00 |
| Pici | aah | 19:00 |
| * broonie has a query regarding the followup on bug #207633 | 19:21 | |
| ubotu | Launchpad bug 207633 in dovecot "Fails with commented SSL configuration" [Undecided,Incomplete] https://launchpad.net/bugs/207633 | 19:21 |
| bdmurray | broonie: what do you mean? | 19:22 |
| prana | which program generates the dialog box for password when you click on "Unlock" in an app like users-admin? is it users-admin itself? | 19:23 |
| bdmurray | policykit in Hardy | 19:23 |
| broonie_ | bdmurray: I'm not entirely impressed with the response to the report; the person who followed up doesn't appear to have made any effort to look at the report at all. | 19:25 |
| bdmurray | prana: Actually the Unlock button only exists in Hardy | 19:25 |
| prana | bug 211805 is probably an easy fix (failure to parse gecos field after getpwent?) so just trying to figure out where the source file is. | 19:26 |
| ubotu | Launchpad bug 211805 in policykit "Username combo has 3 commas appended" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/211805 | 19:26 |
| bdmurray | broonie_: It seems like a vaild question to me as it isn't obvious which release and version of dovecot you noticed this with. | 19:26 |
| broonie_ | bdmurray: Two problems. One is that Launchpad doesn't ask for this information. The other is that it is trivial to verify the report. | 19:26 |
| broonie_ | If the response had been "I can't see this in version X, could you confirm which version you're using" it'd come over a bit differently. | 19:28 |
| bdmurray | broonie_: The guided bug filing instructions ask for information regarding the release and package version. | 19:28 |
| broonie_ | I guess my query is if this is an expected response. | 19:28 |
| bdmurray | I don't think the response is ideal but is understandable given that we are very close to the Hardy release and people are quite busy getting it ready. | 19:30 |
| broonie_ | Looking at the guided bug filing instructions they bury the request for the version in the second page of the report | 19:31 |
| broonie_ | (for my browser config) | 19:31 |
| broonie_ | I'd really expect to at least be able to pick the affected release in a dropdown (given that LP does actually record that info) | 19:32 |
| broonie_ | Indeed, it looks like someone fixed the hardy package shortly after I reported the problem. | 19:34 |
| bdmurray | Okay, that's great. Did you not see the guided the bug filing instructions or were they not clear for some reason? | 19:37 |
| broonie_ | Didn't see them, they are well off-screen in my browser. | 19:38 |
| * broonie notes that the issue with not being prompted more obviously for version information is one of the earliest bugs against lp | 19:52 | |
| stephantom | Hey there :-) If there's anyone familiar with gksu/kdesu or the su-to-root script, we could use a hand in https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+bug/198884 | 21:41 |
| ubotu | Launchpad bug 198884 in wireshark "Wireshark 0.99.7 halted in Hardy" [Undecided,Confirmed] | 21:41 |
| bdmurray | stephantom: does it hang or crash? | 21:59 |
| james_w | bdmurray: hang apparently, but that seems to be caused by a crash in an exec()ed program | 22:09 |
| bdmurray | james_w: How did you determine that? | 22:10 |
| james_w | bdmurray: there's an strace output attached | 22:10 |
| stephantom | bdmurray, it hangs | 22:10 |
| stephantom | there is also no output to the system log | 22:11 |
| bdmurray | james_w: which part of the strace though? | 22:11 |
| james_w | write(2, "21:46:19 Warn Unknown m"..., 15021:46:19 Warn Unknown message from dumpcap, try to show it as a string: capset(): Operation not permitted | 22:11 |
| james_w | capset(): Operation not permitted | 22:11 |
| james_w | ) = 150 | 22:11 |
| james_w | wait4(-1, <unfinished ...> | 22:11 |
| james_w | bdmurray: the end, always a good place to start :-) | 22:11 |
| james_w | it's hanging in a wait4 call, which I think means it's waiting for the termination of a child. | 22:12 |
| james_w | the message above may have something to do with the reason that it is not getting what it wants. | 22:12 |
| bdmurray | Okay, I was looking at the same stuff. | 22:12 |
| stephantom | the funny thing is that this does not happen if you call it through plain old console sudo | 22:13 |
| james_w | that's probably the vital clue | 22:14 |
| james_w | "capset(): Operation not permitted" suggests gksudo isn't granting you all the rights that you need, but I don't know why that would be | 22:14 |
| bdmurray | I was looking at the gksu changelog and didn't see anything that jumped out at me | 22:14 |
| james_w | I was under the impression that gksudo and sudo got you root permissions the same way. | 22:15 |
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| stephantom | I'll try downgrading the gksu package, maybe I can isolate it to a specific version | 22:17 |
| bdmurray | I might make sense to look in debian's bug tracker too | 22:18 |
| crimsun | stephantom: does passing -S or -w or gksu affect it? | 22:18 |
| bdmurray | incidentally I tired kdesu wireshark and i was able to capture packets | 22:18 |
| crimsun | sorry, that should be "-S or -w to gksu" | 22:18 |
| stephantom | crimsun, no it does not make a difference | 22:19 |
| james_w | bdmurray: that's interesting. | 22:20 |
| james_w | bdmurray: probably enough to make it worth reassigning | 22:21 |
| stephantom | downgrading to the gutsy versions of libgksu2 and gksu did nothing for me | 22:22 |
| crimsun | stephantom: is the environment cleared? i.e., see gksu -k | 22:23 |
| james_w | stephantom: thanks. I don't see anyone saying this is a regression from gutsy, is that the case? | 22:23 |
| stephantom | james_w, nope ircc this was no problem in gutsy | 22:23 |
| james_w | stephantom: ok, so that suggests it's not entirely gksu's fault if the gutsy versions don't work in hardy. | 22:24 |
| stephantom | crimsun, I unchecked "preserve environment" now, but that doesn't change anything either | 22:24 |
| crimsun | right | 22:25 |
| james_w | stephantom: is there any terminal output when you run it under gksudo? | 22:32 |
| stephantom | james_w, no. nothing. | 22:32 |
| james_w | does wireshark have a log file? | 22:32 |
| james_w | write(2, "21:46:19 Warn Unknown m" | 22:33 |
| james_w | that makes it look like it does, I'd be interested in seeing the file. | 22:33 |
| stephantom | not according to the manpage, as far as I can tell, but I'll look into it | 22:36 |
| james_w | I do have wireshark installed actually | 22:37 |
| james_w | after the meeting I'm in I'll fire it up | 22:37 |
| crimsun | ok, looking in dumpcap.c | 22:41 |
| crimsun | yeah, I can reproduce it locally | 22:45 |
| crimsun | b43 [BCM94311MCG wlan mini-PCI (rev 01)] | 22:45 |
| crimsun | interestingly, the child is "/usr/bin/dumpcap -S -M" | 22:46 |
| crimsun | ok, so what's happening is that when invoked with gksu, the dumpcap child process is only invoked as the above command | 22:52 |
| crimsun | ("/usr/bin/dumpcap -S -M") | 22:52 |
| crimsun | when invoked with sudo, the dumpcap child process is invoked with the appropriate interface passed as a parameter | 22:52 |
| james_w | wow, 60 line comment about privilege handling. | 22:52 |
| crimsun | ("/usr/bin/dumpcap -i wlan0 -Z none") | 22:52 |
| james_w | crimsun: nice work. | 22:52 |
| stephantom | nicely done | 22:52 |
| stephantom | this might be the corresponding upstream bug: http://bugs.wireshark.org/bugzilla/show_bug.cgi?id=1740 | 22:55 |
| ubotu | bugs.wireshark.org bug 1740 in Wireshark "window "capture->Interfaces" cannot be closed" [Minor,New] | 22:56 |
| stephantom | well, not excatly the same thing, but I guess the reasons for this happening are the same | 22:59 |
| crimsun | ok, let's enable Glib debugging | 22:59 |
| stephantom | actually, which each failed try, I leave a stray instance of dumpcap behind that is not terminated. much like the upstream report says. | 23:24 |
| james_w | there's an upstream report? | 23:25 |
| stephantom | I think http://bugs.wireshark.org/bugzilla/show_bug.cgi?id=1740 could at least be related | 23:25 |
| ubotu | bugs.wireshark.org bug 1740 in Wireshark "window "capture->Interfaces" cannot be closed" [Minor,New] | 23:25 |
| stephantom | but this one hasn't been touched since september | 23:26 |
| stephantom | which is a bit long for such a major showstopper | 23:26 |
| james_w | and if you kill that dumpcap instance what happens? | 23:26 |
| stephantom | james_w, the capture starts :-) | 23:28 |
| james_w | woo :-) | 23:29 |
| stephantom | so, the way I see it, the problem is that dumpcap does not terminate, which is what the 'Interfaces' window is expecting before it closes. | 23:29 |
| stephantom | dumpcap does not terminate, so the whole thing hangs | 23:29 |
| james_w | so the problem seems to be that if cap_set_proc fails dumpcap doesn't exit. | 23:31 |
| james_w | though there is another issue that under gksudo you don't have permissions to capset(). | 23:32 |
| james_w | and we need to fix the latter to have wireshark be useful, but the latter is a problem that should be fixed at some point as well. | 23:32 |
| secretlondon | james_w, I've used wireshark since sept, only problem was that capture files were set with root only read perms | 23:59 |
| stephantom | secretlondon, under GNOME or KDE? | 23:59 |
| james_w | hi secretlondon | 23:59 |
| james_w | that's odd | 23:59 |
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