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Hobbseegreetings02:41
PiciHi02:45
no0tichi02:46
tonyyarussomoo02:47
SeveasSeeker`, it is08:39
Seveashad a spontaneous reboot on that machine08:39
PriceChildMost sparse conversation ever.08:44
ubotubazhang called the ops in #ubuntu (Pierro)09:30
ubotuPierro called the ops in #ubuntu (bazhang)09:30
PriceChildincoming09:45
PriceChildSeveas: Piero_Scaruffi 09:45
SeveasPriceChild, fun09:46
Piero_ScaruffiI am sorry Seveas09:46
PriceChildthe bantracker has changed..09:48
Piero_Scaruffibantracker?09:48
PriceChildnm, was looking at factoids09:48
Piero_Scaruffiso how long are channelbans for?09:49
Piero_Scaruffiyou guys most have some kind of guidelines but i can't find them on freenode09:50
PriceChild!guidelines | Piero_Scaruffi 09:50
ubotuPiero_Scaruffi: The people here are volunteers, your attitude should reflect that. Answers are not always available. See http://wiki.ubuntu.com/IrcGuidelines09:50
PriceChildPiero_Scaruffi: (one moment while I catch up)09:50
Piero_Scaruffiok09:50
Piero_Scaruffii understand the first ban but the second is ackward 09:51
PriceChildPiero_Scaruffi: you called "!ot | persons_name" -why?09:51
Piero_Scaruffibecause bazhang called ot for me while i didnt do that much wrong really09:51
Piero_Scaruffibut talk offtopic09:51
PriceChildright....09:52
PriceChildyou call !ot, when someone is offtopic.09:52
PriceChildYou don't call it because they called it on you because you were offtopic...?09:52
Piero_Scaruffioh sorry ot well he doesnt have a clue about the ubuntu philosophy of tolerance09:52
Piero_Scaruffithats why09:52
PriceChildUbuntu has a philosophy on tolerance?09:53
Piero_Scaruffii got emotional i apologize the first ban was justified for that reason09:53
Piero_Scaruffibut the second ban was ackward09:53
elkbuntuPiero_Scaruffi, something useful to know is the /topic command, it'll show the channel's topic to you... it usually has useful information in it09:53
PriceChildand someone not knowing of a philosophy of tolerance.... isn't being offtopic, so im still sure why you repeatedly called !ot?09:54
Piero_Scaruffii did it 2x maybe 2x09:54
Piero_Scaruffi3x*09:54
Piero_Scaruffiok well09:54
PriceChildPiero_Scaruffi: how did you find #ubuntu-nl? Why did you join?09:54
Piero_Scaruffithats all wrong i suppose09:54
Piero_Scaruffii always join there09:54
Piero_Scaruffiafter the first ban i went in there09:55
Piero_Scaruffii was banned for the behavior in ubuntu09:55
Piero_Scaruffiin ubuntu-nl09:55
Piero_Scaruffibit werd though09:55
PriceChildPiero_Scaruffi: You say you always join there, when was the last time you joined #ubuntu-nl, before today?09:55
Piero_Scarufficouple of days ago09:56
Piero_Scaruffidont remember exactly09:56
Piero_Scaruffinever had any problems there 09:56
Piero_Scaruffijust my bad luck Seveas is an op there also09:56
PriceChildHmm you do indeed.09:57
PriceChildPiero_Scaruffi: So anyway, why do you think you were banned in #ubuntu?09:57
Piero_Scaruffidouble jeopardy doesnt apply on IRC i suppose09:57
PriceChildor do you not mind about being banned there and only want to discuss #ubuntu-nl?09:57
Piero_Scaruffia reason wasnt specified09:57
Piero_Scaruffiofftopic with some lame jokes i suppose09:58
Piero_Scaruffiand an admin who isnt willing to look into the good of people but bans blindly09:58
Piero_Scaruffiimmediatly09:58
Piero_Scaruffii am not evil09:58
Piero_Scaruffii can speak dutch there09:59
PriceChildPiero_Scaruffi: 'immediately', you don't think you were given warning that you shouldn't be offtopic in #ubuntu?09:59
Piero_Scaruffisometimes i need to ask for help in dutch when my english falls short09:59
Piero_Scaruffihe did his job09:59
Piero_Scaruffii mean immediatly he didnt care wether it was a correct ban or not09:59
Piero_Scaruffiwithout hesitation10:00
PriceChildDo you ever answer the questions that are asked?10:00
Piero_Scaruffii mean this case he might be right10:00
Piero_Scaruffibut it cant be the same for every case10:00
Piero_Scaruffii am trying to answer10:00
Piero_Scaruffilike i said i have no problems with the #ubuntu ban its the admins call but  the second ban feels dishonest10:01
PriceChildthat wasn't an answer to the question that was asked..10:01
Piero_Scaruffiwarning well yes10:01
Piero_Scaruffia couple10:02
Piero_Scaruffibut the guy giving them was very blunt10:02
PriceChildlets stop debating the #ubuntu ban then if you "have no problems with" it.10:02
Piero_Scaruffi#ubuntu-nl is the ban i feel sad about10:02
Piero_Scaruffinow i am totally shut out from any help 10:03
Piero_Scaruffiand i am a novice user10:03
PriceChildThis channel doesn't really deal with LoCo channels. However perhaps I can still help. Do you have any clue why you were banned there, can you guess?10:03
Piero_Scaruffiso the community thing is something i am not so great at i can better myself and learn if people give me the chance to learn from my mistakes10:03
PriceChildDo you feel you have a right to support then, and it is unfair to be shut out?10:03
Seeker`Piero_Scaruffi: you can find help on the forums and information on the wiki10:03
Piero_Scaruffii feel i have a right to be part of the community yes10:03
Piero_Scaruffisupport is voluntary so no i dont have a right on support10:04
PriceChildThis channel doesn't really deal with LoCo channels. However perhaps I can still help. Do you have any clue why you were banned there, can you guess?10:06
Piero_Scaruffiok thank you for your help PriceChild10:06
PriceChild(i have logs)10:06
Piero_Scaruffii was banned there for no specific reason other than the dumbluck that the operator that banned me in #ubuntu is an operator in #ubuntu-nl also10:07
Piero_Scaruffigoo10:07
Piero_Scaruffid10:07
PriceChildthat's not a reason, simply a coincidence10:08
Seveasnot really a coincidence10:08
Piero_Scaruffii guess the dutch never need to explain there actions sadly this is something i learned from studying the history about the things they did on their colonies they never do explain themselves and just buried the past... sorry i am getting emotional again i better leave now before i make matters worse10:08
Seveasfirst thing he did in that channel was call my nick10:09
Piero_Scaruffithank you again for your help PriceChild10:09
Seveasbad way to avoid ops10:09
PriceChildPiero_Scaruffi: bye then, have fun.10:09
Piero_Scaruffibye10:09
Seeker`that was...odd10:09
PriceChildI don't think what he did in #ubuntu-nl deserved it.10:09
Seveas'twas10:09
PriceChildI think he deserved it.10:09
Seveasthe ban in -nl was an extension of the one in #ubuntu10:10
Seveashe's been trouble before10:10
PriceChildThat comment by him just then was shocking.10:10
Seveasyeah10:10
PriceChildThe whole time talking to him, I'm thinking I'm wasting my time as he was blatantly trolling #ubuntu.10:12
PriceChildI guess he was just trying to stay on the right side of the edge, get away with a little bit more.10:13
ubotuDJones called the ops in #ubuntu (Hurre)13:41
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Piciokay then13:42
PriceChildLjL: are those same nicks coming back again and again?14:17
LjLPriceChild: PM14:18
AdysNot sure its the right place for that, but could someone take care of http://brainstorm.ubuntu.com/idea/2279/ ?15:07
AdysIf theres anyone with deletion power on Brainstorm15:08
PiciAdys: This isn't really the right place.  You may have better luck asking in #ubuntu-testing15:12
Adysaight15:12
Adysthanks :)15:12
Hobbseehum.  i don't have admin powers for that15:12
PiciThe about page on the site mentions #ubuntu-testing.  15:14
* Hobbsee was hoping that, as the logins were the same, the admin group would be the same.15:14
Hobbseeeither that, or i can't find any admin-ey options15:14
ubotuPici called the ops in #ubuntu-bugs (_Czessi excess flooding)15:24
PiciLjL: thank you15:27
LjLPici: as murphy would have it though, he just stopped excess flooding :|15:29
Pici-_-15:30
Seeker`what is the syntax for redirecting factoids to PM?15:54
DavieySeeker`: seriously?15:55
Pici!foo > bar15:55
jdong!CoC > Seeker` 15:55
Pici!usage > Seeker` 15:55
jdongsorry, you get violated for asking dumb questions ;-)15:55
Daviey!violate > Seeker` 15:55
Seeker`thanks15:56
Daviey!np > Seeker` 15:56
Seeker`The ops call in -uk needs changing I think15:56
DavieyThen suggest a change.. :)15:57
Seeker`!ops-uk is Ompaul, Mez, jono, popey, Gary, Seeker`, Daviey, PriceChild, X3N15:58
ubotuIn #ubuntu-ops, Seeker` said: !ops-uk is Ompaul, Mez, jono, popey, Gary, Seeker`, Daviey, PriceChild, X3N15:58
Seeker`I'm not sure how to do it channel specific15:58
stdinyou can do "/msg ubotu ops-#ubuntu-uk is <reply> ...." to get the request forwarded here15:58
ubotuIn ubotu, Seeker` said: ops-#ubuntu-uk is <reply> Ompaul, Mez, jono, popey, Gary, Seeker`, Daviey, PriceChild, X3N15:59
PiciAnd thus you ping all of those people when you do it.16:00
DavieySeeker`: oi! Alphabetical plz!16:00
Seeker`Daviey: Thats the order they appear in the chanserv list16:00
Seeker`Pici: Is there any other way of doing it that doesn't ping them?16:01
DavieySeeker`: only if you morph the text so it doesn't fire hilight rules16:02
Davieymaybe S33ker`, as a suggestion :)16:02
LjLyou know what i'd like - and what would probably make me more willing to give GUI help rather than console help16:17
LjLsomething that could track which buttons/menus i click on, and automatically store a list in the clipboard, like "file -> save -> ok"16:18
LjL'cause when i do things in a shell, i can just copy and paste what i've done, while if i need to give GUI advice, i need to look at each button i press, select another window, and type in the name of what i've clicked on16:19
PiciI suspect that wouldnt be too tough to do, things like xwininfo exist already.16:19
LjLPici, not quite the same thing... xwininfo takes information from the X server, while what i'm saying needs to know about the *toolkit* you're using (GTK, Qt, etc)16:21
Picihmm16:21
LjLPici: basically, if the toolkit has been designed with the ability to create macros in mind, then it can probably be done, otherwise hm16:22
LjLPici: by the way, you wouldn't know of something like xwininfo which could tell you which *process* owns a window?16:22
LjL(i guess xwininfo would do that if the information was available at all, though...)16:23
LjLPici: although to have something toolkit-independent, you can always OCR each thing you click on :) sounds crazy, but it can actually work, it's what Babylon on Windows does to give you dictionary entries for anything you click on (including words in images)16:24
PiciLjL: Or for accessability in mind, for screen readers 16:24
LjLexcept, we don't quite have decent OCR (even less screen-based OCR) on linux16:24
* Pici keeps losing ssh connection16:24
LjLPici: yes.16:24
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Seeker`Pici: You should write a note telling you where you put it16:26
PiciIronically, I'm in the middle of submitting a bug about screen hanging when the ssh connection is lost.16:26
LjLi've just finished submitting http://bugs.kde.org/show_bug.cgi?id=160370 myself16:35
ubotuKDE bug 160370 in general ""Automatic User Information Look Up" can cause lag and excess flood" [Normal,Unconfirmed] 16:35
LjL(czessi, and me too)16:35
Picibug 21184216:35
ubotuLaunchpad bug 211842 in screen "Screen hangs when reattaching after lost ssh connection" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/21184216:35
Picialso: debian 15787316:36
ubotuDebian bug 157873 in screen "screen: Reproducible key sequence causes hard lock" [Important,Open] http://bugs.debian.org/15787316:36
LjLi think i'll report the konversation bug on ubuntu too - it can be made less severe by changing the defaults16:36
PiciHopefully having it open in LP will push someone to get some fixes commited.16:36
LjLuhm, either the d-liners have changed nicknames, or it's other folks16:37
LjLbut no, it's the turks16:37
Seeker`Pici: I think I have experienced that screen bug before16:39
PiciSeeker`: It happens to me almost every day.16:40
Seeker`Pici: I dont drop SSH connections that often :)16:41
PiciMy isp sucks, I need to call them *again* and complain16:41
LjLPici: how exactly do i do what you did in that bug - i.e. link it to the bug upstream?16:42
PiciLjL: find the '+also affects' button16:42
PiciIts under the Assigned to header in the table16:43
LjLPici: and given it also affects konversation, i should select "project" or "package/distribution"?16:43
PiciLjL: It only appears to let you also affect 1) Projects hosted at LP 2) Distribution Bugtrackers16:45
LjLPici: unsure... see this one for instance (it's exactly the way i'd want to make it) https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/konversation/+bug/60681 - it affects "Konversation (Ubuntu)" but also plain "Konversation", and in this case links to the relevant bug on KDE-bugs16:46
ubotuLaunchpad bug 60681 in konversation "konversation does not show what is actually sent" [Medium,Confirmed] 16:46
Picihn16:47
Picihm rather16:47
LjLi think it's a "project" known as "KDE's Konversation"16:47
Piciweird16:48
LjLPici: oh, ok, in this case i just had to select "project" and it automatically would link to the right project, and simply asked me the URL to the upstream bugtracker16:49
LjLalthough when i tried that before on another bug, it wouldn't select the right project for me16:49
LjLhttps://bugs.launchpad.net/konversation/+bug/67200 (bug had already been reported in lp)16:49
ubotuLaunchpad bug 67200 in konversation "[Edgy] v1.0.1 Excess Flood due to /WHO on connect" [Undecided,Fix released] 16:49
LjLalthough... they mark it as "fix released", don't they.16:50
Piciheh16:50
PiciLjL: Thanks, I didnt know that worked.16:50
PiciI added the savannah bug # to my bug16:50
LjLwell perhaps they have already changed the defaults... my ~/.kde is pretty old by now16:50
LjLPici: we should pay more attention to the bug classes in the open week :P16:51
LjLbut they're boooring16:51
LjLbug/lp classes16:51
stdinwell, looks like vit is getting around the forward, kunbutu (n=vit@190.77.170.192) has joined #kubuntu17:03
Picistdin: yeah, LjL noticed that the other day. 17:03
LjLstdin: i was wondering if it was the same vit. he certainly flooded, last time.17:04
LjLand last time, the nickname was vit too17:04
LjLbut i didn't ban, just mute during the flood17:04
stdinthe IP changes, but it's always from the same ISP "CANTV Servicios, Venezuela"17:05
stdin"/who n=vit" looks interesting too17:05
LjLwell the last two of them are in ##unavailable as per the ban17:06
LjL[Thu Apr 3 2008] [23:58:58] Join        vit has joined this channel (n=vit@190.77.170.192).17:06
LjL[Fri Apr 4 2008] [00:25:27] Mode        LjL sets mode: +zb %vit!*@*17:06
LjLthis is the one who flooded and that i muted17:07
stdinini (n=vit@190.74.2.136) has joined #kubuntu < now I'm starting to get annoyed17:11
LjLdifferent realnames, only thing in common is the ident and a small part of the IP for now17:12
LjLand not even always17:12
LjLanyway, i'll ban that.17:12
stdinthe ISP is always the same, seems like too much of a coincidence to me17:13
LjL"usuario" too17:14
LjLit's not a coincidence, although they might be zombies rather than a single user17:14
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Picibitten by that bug again.18:08
LjLany konversation users who're already using SVN - upgrade to latest, and in Server::ctcpReply, add a ", LowPriority" parameter to the queue() call. then have fun playing with /queuetuner (maybe you want the "normal" queue to be a bit more aggressive, to get +o and such things fast), and you won't be lagged by CTCP attacks again.18:27
ubotuIn ubotu, PriceChild said: no ops-#ubuntu-uk is <reply> Help!  Ompaul, Mez, jono, popey, Gary, Seeker`, Daviey, PriceChild or X3N18:27
PriceChildbe quiet ubotu18:27
PriceChilddone18:28
LjL@lart PriceChild18:28
Seeker`PriceChild: thanks18:29
Seeker`@btlogin18:44
* Pici headdesks18:44
Seeker`?18:45
PiciCyborg in #ubuntu18:45
bringbackblastioHello.20:48
ompaulbringbackblastio, what can we do for you20:48
bringbackblastiohi I would like to pay someone to do something for me.20:49
ompaulI think you are in the wrong channel20:49
LjLme me!20:49
LjLoh.20:49
ompaulohh seems not20:49
* Seveas pays LjL to shaddap :p20:49
* LjL goes back to his corner20:49
* ompaul pays Seveas for paying LjL 20:49
bringbackblastioi need someone to edit this for me.20:50
bringbackblastiohttp://encarta.msn.com/encyclopedia_761558727/Lead.html#bottom20:50
ompaulnot a hope20:50
LjLhmmm lead20:51
ubotuIn #ubuntu-offtopic, Seveas said: !forget kirby20:57
ubotuIn #ubuntu-offtopic, noodlesgc said: !noodlesgc is "The Xmoto Master"21:08
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saltedlighthi. i wold like to have an Ubuntu cloak. what are the requirements?22:57
ompaul!member23:01
ubotuWant to become an Ubuntu member? Look at http://www.ubuntu.com/community/processes/newmember23:01
ompaulsaltedlight, ^^ that is it23:01
ompaulanything else?23:01
saltedlighti wuld like to have an Ubuntu cloak...23:02
ompaulsaltedlight, cloaks are only available to members, sorry I should have siad23:02
ompaulsaid even23:02
saltedlighti am a member23:02
ompaulnow there is a thing23:02
saltedlight:)23:02
ompaullp id please23:03
saltedlightsaltedlight23:03
ompaulsaltedlight, you have a lp id but you do not have team membership status 23:05
ompaulplease read this http://www.ubuntu.com/community/processes/newmember 23:05
saltedlightok. thank's. bye :)23:05
stdincan someone 's/2/3/g' on !kde423:08
ompaul!kde423:09
ubotuKDE 4.0.2 is the latest major release of the K Desktop Environment. KDE 4.0.2 packages can be found at http://kubuntu.org/announcements/kde-4.0.2.php - More information can be found at http://www.kde.org/announcements/announce-4.0.2.php - Support in #kubuntu-kde423:09
Jucato!no kde4 is <reply> KDE 4.0.3 is the latest major release of the K Desktop Environment. KDE 4.0.3 packages can be found at http://kubuntu.org/announcements/kde-4.0.3.php - More information can be found at http://www.kde.org/announcements/announce-4.0.3.php - Support in #kubuntu-kde423:10
ubotuIn #ubuntu-ops, Jucato said: !no kde4 is <reply> KDE 4.0.3 is the latest major release of the K Desktop Environment. KDE 4.0.3 packages can be found at http://kubuntu.org/announcements/kde-4.0.3.php - More information can be found at http://www.kde.org/announcements/announce-4.0.3.php - Support in #kubuntu-kde423:10
Jucatobah!23:10
ompaul!no kde4 is <reply> KDE 4.0.3 is the latest major release of the K Desktop Environment. KDE 4.0.3 packages can be found at http://kubuntu.org/announcements/kde-4.0.3.php - More information can be found at http://www.kde.org/announcements/announce-4.0.3.php - Support in #kubuntu-kde423:10
ubotuI'll remember that ompaul23:10
Jucato!no kde4 is <reply> KDE 4.0.3 is the latest major release of the K Desktop Environment. KDE 4.0.3 packages can be found at http://kubuntu.org/announcements/kde-4.0.3.php - More information can be found at http://www.kde.org/announcements/announce-4.0.3.php - Support in #kubuntu-kde423:10
ubotuI'll remember that Jucato23:10
Jucatopfft :P23:10
ompaulhhahaha23:10
ompaulgotcha23:10
JucatoI just forgot to login :)23:10
ompaulyeap 23:16
* mneptok bops around to the new B-52's album23:28
Seeker`aren't the B-52's ancient23:28
mneptokyeah, and so am i23:30
mneptokso get off my lawn!23:30
mneptokdamn kids.23:30
Seeker`mneptok: fair enough :)23:31
ompaulmneptok, you would have gotten away with it if it wern't for the pesky kids and that dog ...23:33
Seeker`when I was younger23:34
Seeker`mneptok: did you have to get up 30 mins before you went to bed, spend 36 hours a day working in t' mine, and pay the owner for the privilege of working there...23:35
ompaulSeeker`, you had it handy23:37
mneptokwhen i was your age, any sucroplasm we harvested had to be regurgitated for the queen.23:47
* nikrud pulls up pant legs before tiptoeing through23:53

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