[00:08] Seeker`, ? [00:38] Seveas: Mootbot had disappeared, just wnted to check it was ok to restart it === Jucato_ is now known as Jucato [02:41] greetings [02:45] Hi [02:46] hi [02:47] moo [08:39] Seeker`, it is [08:39] had a spontaneous reboot on that machine [08:44] Most sparse conversation ever. [09:30] bazhang called the ops in #ubuntu (Pierro) [09:30] Pierro called the ops in #ubuntu (bazhang) [09:45] incoming [09:45] Seveas: Piero_Scaruffi [09:46] PriceChild, fun [09:46] I am sorry Seveas [09:48] the bantracker has changed.. [09:48] bantracker? [09:48] nm, was looking at factoids [09:49] so how long are channelbans for? [09:50] you guys most have some kind of guidelines but i can't find them on freenode [09:50] !guidelines | Piero_Scaruffi [09:50] Piero_Scaruffi: The people here are volunteers, your attitude should reflect that. Answers are not always available. See http://wiki.ubuntu.com/IrcGuidelines [09:50] Piero_Scaruffi: (one moment while I catch up) [09:50] ok [09:51] i understand the first ban but the second is ackward [09:51] Piero_Scaruffi: you called "!ot | persons_name" -why? [09:51] because bazhang called ot for me while i didnt do that much wrong really [09:51] but talk offtopic [09:52] right.... [09:52] you call !ot, when someone is offtopic. [09:52] You don't call it because they called it on you because you were offtopic...? [09:52] oh sorry ot well he doesnt have a clue about the ubuntu philosophy of tolerance [09:52] thats why [09:53] Ubuntu has a philosophy on tolerance? [09:53] i got emotional i apologize the first ban was justified for that reason [09:53] but the second ban was ackward [09:53] Piero_Scaruffi, something useful to know is the /topic command, it'll show the channel's topic to you... it usually has useful information in it [09:54] and someone not knowing of a philosophy of tolerance.... isn't being offtopic, so im still sure why you repeatedly called !ot? [09:54] i did it 2x maybe 2x [09:54] 3x* [09:54] ok well [09:54] Piero_Scaruffi: how did you find #ubuntu-nl? Why did you join? [09:54] thats all wrong i suppose [09:54] i always join there [09:55] after the first ban i went in there [09:55] i was banned for the behavior in ubuntu [09:55] in ubuntu-nl [09:55] bit werd though [09:55] Piero_Scaruffi: You say you always join there, when was the last time you joined #ubuntu-nl, before today? [09:56] couple of days ago [09:56] dont remember exactly [09:56] never had any problems there [09:56] just my bad luck Seveas is an op there also [09:57] Hmm you do indeed. [09:57] Piero_Scaruffi: So anyway, why do you think you were banned in #ubuntu? [09:57] double jeopardy doesnt apply on IRC i suppose [09:57] or do you not mind about being banned there and only want to discuss #ubuntu-nl? [09:57] a reason wasnt specified [09:58] offtopic with some lame jokes i suppose [09:58] and an admin who isnt willing to look into the good of people but bans blindly [09:58] immediatly [09:58] i am not evil [09:59] i can speak dutch there [09:59] Piero_Scaruffi: 'immediately', you don't think you were given warning that you shouldn't be offtopic in #ubuntu? [09:59] sometimes i need to ask for help in dutch when my english falls short [09:59] he did his job [09:59] i mean immediatly he didnt care wether it was a correct ban or not [10:00] without hesitation [10:00] Do you ever answer the questions that are asked? [10:00] i mean this case he might be right [10:00] but it cant be the same for every case [10:00] i am trying to answer [10:01] like i said i have no problems with the #ubuntu ban its the admins call but the second ban feels dishonest [10:01] that wasn't an answer to the question that was asked.. [10:01] warning well yes [10:02] a couple [10:02] but the guy giving them was very blunt [10:02] lets stop debating the #ubuntu ban then if you "have no problems with" it. [10:02] #ubuntu-nl is the ban i feel sad about [10:03] now i am totally shut out from any help [10:03] and i am a novice user [10:03] This channel doesn't really deal with LoCo channels. However perhaps I can still help. Do you have any clue why you were banned there, can you guess? [10:03] so the community thing is something i am not so great at i can better myself and learn if people give me the chance to learn from my mistakes [10:03] Do you feel you have a right to support then, and it is unfair to be shut out? [10:03] Piero_Scaruffi: you can find help on the forums and information on the wiki [10:03] i feel i have a right to be part of the community yes [10:04] support is voluntary so no i dont have a right on support [10:06] This channel doesn't really deal with LoCo channels. However perhaps I can still help. Do you have any clue why you were banned there, can you guess? [10:06] ok thank you for your help PriceChild [10:06] (i have logs) [10:07] i was banned there for no specific reason other than the dumbluck that the operator that banned me in #ubuntu is an operator in #ubuntu-nl also [10:07] goo [10:07] d [10:08] that's not a reason, simply a coincidence [10:08] not really a coincidence [10:08] i guess the dutch never need to explain there actions sadly this is something i learned from studying the history about the things they did on their colonies they never do explain themselves and just buried the past... sorry i am getting emotional again i better leave now before i make matters worse [10:09] first thing he did in that channel was call my nick [10:09] thank you again for your help PriceChild [10:09] bad way to avoid ops [10:09] Piero_Scaruffi: bye then, have fun. [10:09] bye [10:09] that was...odd [10:09] I don't think what he did in #ubuntu-nl deserved it. [10:09] 'twas [10:09] I think he deserved it. [10:10] the ban in -nl was an extension of the one in #ubuntu [10:10] he's been trouble before [10:10] That comment by him just then was shocking. [10:10] yeah [10:12] The whole time talking to him, I'm thinking I'm wasting my time as he was blatantly trolling #ubuntu. [10:13] I guess he was just trying to stay on the right side of the edge, get away with a little bit more. [13:41] DJones called the ops in #ubuntu (Hurre) === Dave3 is now known as Dave1 [13:42] okay then [14:17] LjL: are those same nicks coming back again and again? [14:18] PriceChild: PM [15:07] Not sure its the right place for that, but could someone take care of http://brainstorm.ubuntu.com/idea/2279/ ? [15:08] If theres anyone with deletion power on Brainstorm [15:12] Adys: This isn't really the right place. You may have better luck asking in #ubuntu-testing [15:12] aight [15:12] thanks :) [15:12] hum. i don't have admin powers for that [15:14] The about page on the site mentions #ubuntu-testing. [15:14] * Hobbsee was hoping that, as the logins were the same, the admin group would be the same. [15:14] either that, or i can't find any admin-ey options [15:24] Pici called the ops in #ubuntu-bugs (_Czessi excess flooding) [15:27] LjL: thank you [15:29] Pici: as murphy would have it though, he just stopped excess flooding :| [15:30] -_- [15:54] what is the syntax for redirecting factoids to PM? [15:55] Seeker`: seriously? [15:55] !foo > bar [15:55] !CoC > Seeker` [15:55] !usage > Seeker` [15:55] sorry, you get violated for asking dumb questions ;-) [15:55] !violate > Seeker` [15:56] thanks [15:56] !np > Seeker` [15:56] The ops call in -uk needs changing I think [15:57] Then suggest a change.. :) [15:58] !ops-uk is Ompaul, Mez, jono, popey, Gary, Seeker`, Daviey, PriceChild, X3N [15:58] In #ubuntu-ops, Seeker` said: !ops-uk is Ompaul, Mez, jono, popey, Gary, Seeker`, Daviey, PriceChild, X3N [15:58] I'm not sure how to do it channel specific [15:58] you can do "/msg ubotu ops-#ubuntu-uk is ...." to get the request forwarded here [15:59] In ubotu, Seeker` said: ops-#ubuntu-uk is Ompaul, Mez, jono, popey, Gary, Seeker`, Daviey, PriceChild, X3N [16:00] And thus you ping all of those people when you do it. [16:00] Seeker`: oi! Alphabetical plz! [16:00] Daviey: Thats the order they appear in the chanserv list [16:01] Pici: Is there any other way of doing it that doesn't ping them? [16:02] Seeker`: only if you morph the text so it doesn't fire hilight rules [16:02] maybe S33ker`, as a suggestion :) [16:17] you know what i'd like - and what would probably make me more willing to give GUI help rather than console help [16:18] something that could track which buttons/menus i click on, and automatically store a list in the clipboard, like "file -> save -> ok" [16:19] 'cause when i do things in a shell, i can just copy and paste what i've done, while if i need to give GUI advice, i need to look at each button i press, select another window, and type in the name of what i've clicked on [16:19] I suspect that wouldnt be too tough to do, things like xwininfo exist already. [16:21] Pici, not quite the same thing... xwininfo takes information from the X server, while what i'm saying needs to know about the *toolkit* you're using (GTK, Qt, etc) [16:21] hmm [16:22] Pici: basically, if the toolkit has been designed with the ability to create macros in mind, then it can probably be done, otherwise hm [16:22] Pici: by the way, you wouldn't know of something like xwininfo which could tell you which *process* owns a window? [16:23] (i guess xwininfo would do that if the information was available at all, though...) [16:24] Pici: although to have something toolkit-independent, you can always OCR each thing you click on :) sounds crazy, but it can actually work, it's what Babylon on Windows does to give you dictionary entries for anything you click on (including words in images) [16:24] LjL: Or for accessability in mind, for screen readers [16:24] except, we don't quite have decent OCR (even less screen-based OCR) on linux [16:24] * Pici keeps losing ssh connection [16:24] Pici: yes. === TheSheep_ is now known as TheSheep [16:26] Pici: You should write a note telling you where you put it [16:26] Ironically, I'm in the middle of submitting a bug about screen hanging when the ssh connection is lost. [16:35] i've just finished submitting http://bugs.kde.org/show_bug.cgi?id=160370 myself [16:35] KDE bug 160370 in general ""Automatic User Information Look Up" can cause lag and excess flood" [Normal,Unconfirmed] [16:35] (czessi, and me too) [16:35] bug 211842 [16:35] Launchpad bug 211842 in screen "Screen hangs when reattaching after lost ssh connection" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/211842 [16:36] also: debian 157873 [16:36] Debian bug 157873 in screen "screen: Reproducible key sequence causes hard lock" [Important,Open] http://bugs.debian.org/157873 [16:36] i think i'll report the konversation bug on ubuntu too - it can be made less severe by changing the defaults [16:36] Hopefully having it open in LP will push someone to get some fixes commited. [16:37] uhm, either the d-liners have changed nicknames, or it's other folks [16:37] but no, it's the turks [16:39] Pici: I think I have experienced that screen bug before [16:40] Seeker`: It happens to me almost every day. [16:41] Pici: I dont drop SSH connections that often :) [16:41] My isp sucks, I need to call them *again* and complain [16:42] Pici: how exactly do i do what you did in that bug - i.e. link it to the bug upstream? [16:42] LjL: find the '+also affects' button [16:43] Its under the Assigned to header in the table [16:43] Pici: and given it also affects konversation, i should select "project" or "package/distribution"? [16:45] LjL: It only appears to let you also affect 1) Projects hosted at LP 2) Distribution Bugtrackers [16:46] Pici: unsure... see this one for instance (it's exactly the way i'd want to make it) https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/konversation/+bug/60681 - it affects "Konversation (Ubuntu)" but also plain "Konversation", and in this case links to the relevant bug on KDE-bugs [16:46] Launchpad bug 60681 in konversation "konversation does not show what is actually sent" [Medium,Confirmed] [16:47] hn [16:47] hm rather [16:47] i think it's a "project" known as "KDE's Konversation" [16:48] weird [16:49] Pici: oh, ok, in this case i just had to select "project" and it automatically would link to the right project, and simply asked me the URL to the upstream bugtracker [16:49] although when i tried that before on another bug, it wouldn't select the right project for me [16:49] https://bugs.launchpad.net/konversation/+bug/67200 (bug had already been reported in lp) [16:49] Launchpad bug 67200 in konversation "[Edgy] v1.0.1 Excess Flood due to /WHO on connect" [Undecided,Fix released] [16:50] although... they mark it as "fix released", don't they. [16:50] heh [16:50] LjL: Thanks, I didnt know that worked. [16:50] I added the savannah bug # to my bug [16:50] well perhaps they have already changed the defaults... my ~/.kde is pretty old by now [16:51] Pici: we should pay more attention to the bug classes in the open week :P [16:51] but they're boooring [16:51] bug/lp classes [17:03] well, looks like vit is getting around the forward, kunbutu (n=vit@190.77.170.192) has joined #kubuntu [17:03] stdin: yeah, LjL noticed that the other day. [17:04] stdin: i was wondering if it was the same vit. he certainly flooded, last time. [17:04] and last time, the nickname was vit too [17:04] but i didn't ban, just mute during the flood [17:05] the IP changes, but it's always from the same ISP "CANTV Servicios, Venezuela" [17:05] "/who n=vit" looks interesting too [17:06] well the last two of them are in ##unavailable as per the ban [17:06] [Thu Apr 3 2008] [23:58:58] Join vit has joined this channel (n=vit@190.77.170.192). [17:06] [Fri Apr 4 2008] [00:25:27] Mode LjL sets mode: +zb %vit!*@* [17:07] this is the one who flooded and that i muted [17:11] ini (n=vit@190.74.2.136) has joined #kubuntu < now I'm starting to get annoyed [17:12] different realnames, only thing in common is the ident and a small part of the IP for now [17:12] and not even always [17:12] anyway, i'll ban that. [17:13] the ISP is always the same, seems like too much of a coincidence to me [17:14] "usuario" too [17:14] it's not a coincidence, although they might be zombies rather than a single user === LjL-Temp is now known as LjL [18:08] bitten by that bug again. [18:27] any konversation users who're already using SVN - upgrade to latest, and in Server::ctcpReply, add a ", LowPriority" parameter to the queue() call. then have fun playing with /queuetuner (maybe you want the "normal" queue to be a bit more aggressive, to get +o and such things fast), and you won't be lagged by CTCP attacks again. [18:27] In ubotu, PriceChild said: no ops-#ubuntu-uk is Help! Ompaul, Mez, jono, popey, Gary, Seeker`, Daviey, PriceChild or X3N [18:27] be quiet ubotu [18:28] done [18:28] @lart PriceChild [18:29] PriceChild: thanks [18:44] @btlogin [18:44] * Pici headdesks [18:45] ? [18:45] Cyborg in #ubuntu [20:48] Hello. [20:48] bringbackblastio, what can we do for you [20:49] hi I would like to pay someone to do something for me. [20:49] I think you are in the wrong channel [20:49] me me! [20:49] oh. [20:49] ohh seems not [20:49] * Seveas pays LjL to shaddap :p [20:49] * LjL goes back to his corner [20:49] * ompaul pays Seveas for paying LjL [20:50] i need someone to edit this for me. [20:50] http://encarta.msn.com/encyclopedia_761558727/Lead.html#bottom [20:50] not a hope [20:51] hmmm lead [20:57] In #ubuntu-offtopic, Seveas said: !forget kirby [21:08] In #ubuntu-offtopic, noodlesgc said: !noodlesgc is "The Xmoto Master" === Seeker` is now known as not_Seeker` === not_Seeker` is now known as Seeker` [22:57] hi. i wold like to have an Ubuntu cloak. what are the requirements? [23:01] !member [23:01] Want to become an Ubuntu member? Look at http://www.ubuntu.com/community/processes/newmember [23:01] saltedlight, ^^ that is it [23:01] anything else? [23:02] i wuld like to have an Ubuntu cloak... [23:02] saltedlight, cloaks are only available to members, sorry I should have siad [23:02] said even [23:02] i am a member [23:02] now there is a thing [23:02] :) [23:03] lp id please [23:03] saltedlight [23:05] saltedlight, you have a lp id but you do not have team membership status [23:05] please read this http://www.ubuntu.com/community/processes/newmember [23:05] ok. thank's. bye :) [23:08] can someone 's/2/3/g' on !kde4 [23:09] !kde4 [23:09] KDE 4.0.2 is the latest major release of the K Desktop Environment. KDE 4.0.2 packages can be found at http://kubuntu.org/announcements/kde-4.0.2.php - More information can be found at http://www.kde.org/announcements/announce-4.0.2.php - Support in #kubuntu-kde4 [23:10] !no kde4 is KDE 4.0.3 is the latest major release of the K Desktop Environment. KDE 4.0.3 packages can be found at http://kubuntu.org/announcements/kde-4.0.3.php - More information can be found at http://www.kde.org/announcements/announce-4.0.3.php - Support in #kubuntu-kde4 [23:10] In #ubuntu-ops, Jucato said: !no kde4 is KDE 4.0.3 is the latest major release of the K Desktop Environment. KDE 4.0.3 packages can be found at http://kubuntu.org/announcements/kde-4.0.3.php - More information can be found at http://www.kde.org/announcements/announce-4.0.3.php - Support in #kubuntu-kde4 [23:10] bah! [23:10] !no kde4 is KDE 4.0.3 is the latest major release of the K Desktop Environment. KDE 4.0.3 packages can be found at http://kubuntu.org/announcements/kde-4.0.3.php - More information can be found at http://www.kde.org/announcements/announce-4.0.3.php - Support in #kubuntu-kde4 [23:10] I'll remember that ompaul [23:10] !no kde4 is KDE 4.0.3 is the latest major release of the K Desktop Environment. KDE 4.0.3 packages can be found at http://kubuntu.org/announcements/kde-4.0.3.php - More information can be found at http://www.kde.org/announcements/announce-4.0.3.php - Support in #kubuntu-kde4 [23:10] I'll remember that Jucato [23:10] pfft :P [23:10] hhahaha [23:10] gotcha [23:10] I just forgot to login :) [23:16] yeap [23:28] * mneptok bops around to the new B-52's album [23:28] aren't the B-52's ancient [23:30] yeah, and so am i [23:30] so get off my lawn! [23:30] damn kids. [23:31] mneptok: fair enough :) [23:33] mneptok, you would have gotten away with it if it wern't for the pesky kids and that dog ... [23:34] when I was younger [23:35] mneptok: did you have to get up 30 mins before you went to bed, spend 36 hours a day working in t' mine, and pay the owner for the privilege of working there... [23:37] Seeker`, you had it handy [23:47] when i was your age, any sucroplasm we harvested had to be regurgitated for the queen. [23:53] * nikrud pulls up pant legs before tiptoeing through