[00:08] <Seveas> Seeker`, ?
[00:38] <Seeker`> Seveas: Mootbot had disappeared, just wnted to check it was ok to restart it
[02:41] <Hobbsee> greetings
[02:45] <Pici> Hi
[02:46] <no0tic> hi
[02:47] <tonyyarusso> moo
[08:39] <Seveas> Seeker`, it is
[08:39] <Seveas> had a spontaneous reboot on that machine
[08:44] <PriceChild> Most sparse conversation ever.
[09:30] <ubotu> bazhang called the ops in #ubuntu (Pierro)
[09:30] <ubotu> Pierro called the ops in #ubuntu (bazhang)
[09:45] <PriceChild> incoming
[09:45] <PriceChild> Seveas: Piero_Scaruffi 
[09:46] <Seveas> PriceChild, fun
[09:46] <Piero_Scaruffi> I am sorry Seveas
[09:48] <PriceChild> the bantracker has changed..
[09:48] <Piero_Scaruffi> bantracker?
[09:48] <PriceChild> nm, was looking at factoids
[09:49] <Piero_Scaruffi> so how long are channelbans for?
[09:50] <Piero_Scaruffi> you guys most have some kind of guidelines but i can't find them on freenode
[09:50] <PriceChild> !guidelines | Piero_Scaruffi 
[09:50] <ubotu> Piero_Scaruffi: The people here are volunteers, your attitude should reflect that. Answers are not always available. See http://wiki.ubuntu.com/IrcGuidelines
[09:50] <PriceChild> Piero_Scaruffi: (one moment while I catch up)
[09:50] <Piero_Scaruffi> ok
[09:51] <Piero_Scaruffi> i understand the first ban but the second is ackward 
[09:51] <PriceChild> Piero_Scaruffi: you called "!ot | persons_name" -why?
[09:51] <Piero_Scaruffi> because bazhang called ot for me while i didnt do that much wrong really
[09:51] <Piero_Scaruffi> but talk offtopic
[09:52] <PriceChild> right....
[09:52] <PriceChild> you call !ot, when someone is offtopic.
[09:52] <PriceChild> You don't call it because they called it on you because you were offtopic...?
[09:52] <Piero_Scaruffi> oh sorry ot well he doesnt have a clue about the ubuntu philosophy of tolerance
[09:52] <Piero_Scaruffi> thats why
[09:53] <PriceChild> Ubuntu has a philosophy on tolerance?
[09:53] <Piero_Scaruffi> i got emotional i apologize the first ban was justified for that reason
[09:53] <Piero_Scaruffi> but the second ban was ackward
[09:53] <elkbuntu> Piero_Scaruffi, something useful to know is the /topic command, it'll show the channel's topic to you... it usually has useful information in it
[09:54] <PriceChild> and someone not knowing of a philosophy of tolerance.... isn't being offtopic, so im still sure why you repeatedly called !ot?
[09:54] <Piero_Scaruffi> i did it 2x maybe 2x
[09:54] <Piero_Scaruffi> 3x*
[09:54] <Piero_Scaruffi> ok well
[09:54] <PriceChild> Piero_Scaruffi: how did you find #ubuntu-nl? Why did you join?
[09:54] <Piero_Scaruffi> thats all wrong i suppose
[09:54] <Piero_Scaruffi> i always join there
[09:55] <Piero_Scaruffi> after the first ban i went in there
[09:55] <Piero_Scaruffi> i was banned for the behavior in ubuntu
[09:55] <Piero_Scaruffi> in ubuntu-nl
[09:55] <Piero_Scaruffi> bit werd though
[09:55] <PriceChild> Piero_Scaruffi: You say you always join there, when was the last time you joined #ubuntu-nl, before today?
[09:56] <Piero_Scaruffi> couple of days ago
[09:56] <Piero_Scaruffi> dont remember exactly
[09:56] <Piero_Scaruffi> never had any problems there 
[09:56] <Piero_Scaruffi> just my bad luck Seveas is an op there also
[09:57] <PriceChild> Hmm you do indeed.
[09:57] <PriceChild> Piero_Scaruffi: So anyway, why do you think you were banned in #ubuntu?
[09:57] <Piero_Scaruffi> double jeopardy doesnt apply on IRC i suppose
[09:57] <PriceChild> or do you not mind about being banned there and only want to discuss #ubuntu-nl?
[09:57] <Piero_Scaruffi> a reason wasnt specified
[09:58] <Piero_Scaruffi> offtopic with some lame jokes i suppose
[09:58] <Piero_Scaruffi> and an admin who isnt willing to look into the good of people but bans blindly
[09:58] <Piero_Scaruffi> immediatly
[09:58] <Piero_Scaruffi> i am not evil
[09:59] <Piero_Scaruffi> i can speak dutch there
[09:59] <PriceChild> Piero_Scaruffi: 'immediately', you don't think you were given warning that you shouldn't be offtopic in #ubuntu?
[09:59] <Piero_Scaruffi> sometimes i need to ask for help in dutch when my english falls short
[09:59] <Piero_Scaruffi> he did his job
[09:59] <Piero_Scaruffi> i mean immediatly he didnt care wether it was a correct ban or not
[10:00] <Piero_Scaruffi> without hesitation
[10:00] <PriceChild> Do you ever answer the questions that are asked?
[10:00] <Piero_Scaruffi> i mean this case he might be right
[10:00] <Piero_Scaruffi> but it cant be the same for every case
[10:00] <Piero_Scaruffi> i am trying to answer
[10:01] <Piero_Scaruffi> like i said i have no problems with the #ubuntu ban its the admins call but  the second ban feels dishonest
[10:01] <PriceChild> that wasn't an answer to the question that was asked..
[10:01] <Piero_Scaruffi> warning well yes
[10:02] <Piero_Scaruffi> a couple
[10:02] <Piero_Scaruffi> but the guy giving them was very blunt
[10:02] <PriceChild> lets stop debating the #ubuntu ban then if you "have no problems with" it.
[10:02] <Piero_Scaruffi> #ubuntu-nl is the ban i feel sad about
[10:03] <Piero_Scaruffi> now i am totally shut out from any help 
[10:03] <Piero_Scaruffi> and i am a novice user
[10:03] <PriceChild> This channel doesn't really deal with LoCo channels. However perhaps I can still help. Do you have any clue why you were banned there, can you guess?
[10:03] <Piero_Scaruffi> so the community thing is something i am not so great at i can better myself and learn if people give me the chance to learn from my mistakes
[10:03] <PriceChild> Do you feel you have a right to support then, and it is unfair to be shut out?
[10:03] <Seeker`> Piero_Scaruffi: you can find help on the forums and information on the wiki
[10:03] <Piero_Scaruffi> i feel i have a right to be part of the community yes
[10:04] <Piero_Scaruffi> support is voluntary so no i dont have a right on support
[10:06] <PriceChild> This channel doesn't really deal with LoCo channels. However perhaps I can still help. Do you have any clue why you were banned there, can you guess?
[10:06] <Piero_Scaruffi> ok thank you for your help PriceChild
[10:06] <PriceChild> (i have logs)
[10:07] <Piero_Scaruffi> i was banned there for no specific reason other than the dumbluck that the operator that banned me in #ubuntu is an operator in #ubuntu-nl also
[10:07] <Piero_Scaruffi> goo
[10:07] <Piero_Scaruffi> d
[10:08] <PriceChild> that's not a reason, simply a coincidence
[10:08] <Seveas> not really a coincidence
[10:08] <Piero_Scaruffi> i guess the dutch never need to explain there actions sadly this is something i learned from studying the history about the things they did on their colonies they never do explain themselves and just buried the past... sorry i am getting emotional again i better leave now before i make matters worse
[10:09] <Seveas> first thing he did in that channel was call my nick
[10:09] <Piero_Scaruffi> thank you again for your help PriceChild
[10:09] <Seveas> bad way to avoid ops
[10:09] <PriceChild> Piero_Scaruffi: bye then, have fun.
[10:09] <Piero_Scaruffi> bye
[10:09] <Seeker`> that was...odd
[10:09] <PriceChild> I don't think what he did in #ubuntu-nl deserved it.
[10:09] <Seveas> 'twas
[10:09] <PriceChild> I think he deserved it.
[10:10] <Seveas> the ban in -nl was an extension of the one in #ubuntu
[10:10] <Seveas> he's been trouble before
[10:10] <PriceChild> That comment by him just then was shocking.
[10:10] <Seveas> yeah
[10:12] <PriceChild> The whole time talking to him, I'm thinking I'm wasting my time as he was blatantly trolling #ubuntu.
[10:13] <PriceChild> I guess he was just trying to stay on the right side of the edge, get away with a little bit more.
[13:41] <ubotu> DJones called the ops in #ubuntu (Hurre)
[13:42] <Pici> okay then
[14:17] <PriceChild> LjL: are those same nicks coming back again and again?
[14:18] <LjL> PriceChild: PM
[15:07] <Adys> Not sure its the right place for that, but could someone take care of http://brainstorm.ubuntu.com/idea/2279/ ?
[15:08] <Adys> If theres anyone with deletion power on Brainstorm
[15:12] <Pici> Adys: This isn't really the right place.  You may have better luck asking in #ubuntu-testing
[15:12] <Adys> aight
[15:12] <Adys> thanks :)
[15:12] <Hobbsee> hum.  i don't have admin powers for that
[15:14] <Pici> The about page on the site mentions #ubuntu-testing.  
[15:14]  * Hobbsee was hoping that, as the logins were the same, the admin group would be the same.
[15:14] <Hobbsee> either that, or i can't find any admin-ey options
[15:24] <ubotu> Pici called the ops in #ubuntu-bugs (_Czessi excess flooding)
[15:27] <Pici> LjL: thank you
[15:29] <LjL> Pici: as murphy would have it though, he just stopped excess flooding :|
[15:30] <Pici> -_-
[15:54] <Seeker`> what is the syntax for redirecting factoids to PM?
[15:55] <Daviey> Seeker`: seriously?
[15:55] <Pici> !foo > bar
[15:55] <jdong> !CoC > Seeker` 
[15:55] <Pici> !usage > Seeker` 
[15:55] <jdong> sorry, you get violated for asking dumb questions ;-)
[15:55] <Daviey> !violate > Seeker` 
[15:56] <Seeker`> thanks
[15:56] <Daviey> !np > Seeker` 
[15:56] <Seeker`> The ops call in -uk needs changing I think
[15:57] <Daviey> Then suggest a change.. :)
[15:58] <Seeker`> !ops-uk is Ompaul, Mez, jono, popey, Gary, Seeker`, Daviey, PriceChild, X3N
[15:58] <ubotu> In #ubuntu-ops, Seeker` said: !ops-uk is Ompaul, Mez, jono, popey, Gary, Seeker`, Daviey, PriceChild, X3N
[15:58] <Seeker`> I'm not sure how to do it channel specific
[15:58] <stdin> you can do "/msg ubotu ops-#ubuntu-uk is <reply> ...." to get the request forwarded here
[15:59] <ubotu> In ubotu, Seeker` said: ops-#ubuntu-uk is <reply> Ompaul, Mez, jono, popey, Gary, Seeker`, Daviey, PriceChild, X3N
[16:00] <Pici> And thus you ping all of those people when you do it.
[16:00] <Daviey> Seeker`: oi! Alphabetical plz!
[16:00] <Seeker`> Daviey: Thats the order they appear in the chanserv list
[16:01] <Seeker`> Pici: Is there any other way of doing it that doesn't ping them?
[16:02] <Daviey> Seeker`: only if you morph the text so it doesn't fire hilight rules
[16:02] <Daviey> maybe S33ker`, as a suggestion :)
[16:17] <LjL> you know what i'd like - and what would probably make me more willing to give GUI help rather than console help
[16:18] <LjL> something that could track which buttons/menus i click on, and automatically store a list in the clipboard, like "file -> save -> ok"
[16:19] <LjL> 'cause when i do things in a shell, i can just copy and paste what i've done, while if i need to give GUI advice, i need to look at each button i press, select another window, and type in the name of what i've clicked on
[16:19] <Pici> I suspect that wouldnt be too tough to do, things like xwininfo exist already.
[16:21] <LjL> Pici, not quite the same thing... xwininfo takes information from the X server, while what i'm saying needs to know about the *toolkit* you're using (GTK, Qt, etc)
[16:21] <Pici> hmm
[16:22] <LjL> Pici: basically, if the toolkit has been designed with the ability to create macros in mind, then it can probably be done, otherwise hm
[16:22] <LjL> Pici: by the way, you wouldn't know of something like xwininfo which could tell you which *process* owns a window?
[16:23] <LjL> (i guess xwininfo would do that if the information was available at all, though...)
[16:24] <LjL> Pici: although to have something toolkit-independent, you can always OCR each thing you click on :) sounds crazy, but it can actually work, it's what Babylon on Windows does to give you dictionary entries for anything you click on (including words in images)
[16:24] <Pici> LjL: Or for accessability in mind, for screen readers 
[16:24] <LjL> except, we don't quite have decent OCR (even less screen-based OCR) on linux
[16:24]  * Pici keeps losing ssh connection
[16:24] <LjL> Pici: yes.
[16:26] <Seeker`> Pici: You should write a note telling you where you put it
[16:26] <Pici> Ironically, I'm in the middle of submitting a bug about screen hanging when the ssh connection is lost.
[16:35] <LjL> i've just finished submitting http://bugs.kde.org/show_bug.cgi?id=160370 myself
[16:35] <ubotu> KDE bug 160370 in general ""Automatic User Information Look Up" can cause lag and excess flood" [Normal,Unconfirmed] 
[16:35] <LjL> (czessi, and me too)
[16:35] <Pici> bug 211842
[16:35] <ubotu> Launchpad bug 211842 in screen "Screen hangs when reattaching after lost ssh connection" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/211842
[16:36] <Pici> also: debian 157873
[16:36] <ubotu> Debian bug 157873 in screen "screen: Reproducible key sequence causes hard lock" [Important,Open] http://bugs.debian.org/157873
[16:36] <LjL> i think i'll report the konversation bug on ubuntu too - it can be made less severe by changing the defaults
[16:36] <Pici> Hopefully having it open in LP will push someone to get some fixes commited.
[16:37] <LjL> uhm, either the d-liners have changed nicknames, or it's other folks
[16:37] <LjL> but no, it's the turks
[16:39] <Seeker`> Pici: I think I have experienced that screen bug before
[16:40] <Pici> Seeker`: It happens to me almost every day.
[16:41] <Seeker`> Pici: I dont drop SSH connections that often :)
[16:41] <Pici> My isp sucks, I need to call them *again* and complain
[16:42] <LjL> Pici: how exactly do i do what you did in that bug - i.e. link it to the bug upstream?
[16:42] <Pici> LjL: find the '+also affects' button
[16:43] <Pici> Its under the Assigned to header in the table
[16:43] <LjL> Pici: and given it also affects konversation, i should select "project" or "package/distribution"?
[16:45] <Pici> LjL: It only appears to let you also affect 1) Projects hosted at LP 2) Distribution Bugtrackers
[16:46] <LjL> Pici: unsure... see this one for instance (it's exactly the way i'd want to make it) https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/konversation/+bug/60681 - it affects "Konversation (Ubuntu)" but also plain "Konversation", and in this case links to the relevant bug on KDE-bugs
[16:46] <ubotu> Launchpad bug 60681 in konversation "konversation does not show what is actually sent" [Medium,Confirmed] 
[16:47] <Pici> hn
[16:47] <Pici> hm rather
[16:47] <LjL> i think it's a "project" known as "KDE's Konversation"
[16:48] <Pici> weird
[16:49] <LjL> Pici: oh, ok, in this case i just had to select "project" and it automatically would link to the right project, and simply asked me the URL to the upstream bugtracker
[16:49] <LjL> although when i tried that before on another bug, it wouldn't select the right project for me
[16:49] <LjL> https://bugs.launchpad.net/konversation/+bug/67200 (bug had already been reported in lp)
[16:49] <ubotu> Launchpad bug 67200 in konversation "[Edgy] v1.0.1 Excess Flood due to /WHO on connect" [Undecided,Fix released] 
[16:50] <LjL> although... they mark it as "fix released", don't they.
[16:50] <Pici> heh
[16:50] <Pici> LjL: Thanks, I didnt know that worked.
[16:50] <Pici> I added the savannah bug # to my bug
[16:50] <LjL> well perhaps they have already changed the defaults... my ~/.kde is pretty old by now
[16:51] <LjL> Pici: we should pay more attention to the bug classes in the open week :P
[16:51] <LjL> but they're boooring
[16:51] <LjL> bug/lp classes
[17:03] <stdin> well, looks like vit is getting around the forward, kunbutu (n=vit@190.77.170.192) has joined #kubuntu
[17:03] <Pici> stdin: yeah, LjL noticed that the other day. 
[17:04] <LjL> stdin: i was wondering if it was the same vit. he certainly flooded, last time.
[17:04] <LjL> and last time, the nickname was vit too
[17:04] <LjL> but i didn't ban, just mute during the flood
[17:05] <stdin> the IP changes, but it's always from the same ISP "CANTV Servicios, Venezuela"
[17:05] <stdin> "/who n=vit" looks interesting too
[17:06] <LjL> well the last two of them are in ##unavailable as per the ban
[17:06] <LjL> [Thu Apr 3 2008] [23:58:58] Join        vit has joined this channel (n=vit@190.77.170.192).
[17:06] <LjL> [Fri Apr 4 2008] [00:25:27] Mode        LjL sets mode: +zb %vit!*@*
[17:07] <LjL> this is the one who flooded and that i muted
[17:11] <stdin> ini (n=vit@190.74.2.136) has joined #kubuntu < now I'm starting to get annoyed
[17:12] <LjL> different realnames, only thing in common is the ident and a small part of the IP for now
[17:12] <LjL> and not even always
[17:12] <LjL> anyway, i'll ban that.
[17:13] <stdin> the ISP is always the same, seems like too much of a coincidence to me
[17:14] <LjL> "usuario" too
[17:14] <LjL> it's not a coincidence, although they might be zombies rather than a single user
[18:08] <Pici> bitten by that bug again.
[18:27] <LjL> any konversation users who're already using SVN - upgrade to latest, and in Server::ctcpReply, add a ", LowPriority" parameter to the queue() call. then have fun playing with /queuetuner (maybe you want the "normal" queue to be a bit more aggressive, to get +o and such things fast), and you won't be lagged by CTCP attacks again.
[18:27] <ubotu> In ubotu, PriceChild said: no ops-#ubuntu-uk is <reply> Help!  Ompaul, Mez, jono, popey, Gary, Seeker`, Daviey, PriceChild or X3N
[18:27] <PriceChild> be quiet ubotu
[18:28] <PriceChild> done
[18:28] <LjL> @lart PriceChild
[18:29] <Seeker`> PriceChild: thanks
[18:44] <Seeker`> @btlogin
[18:44]  * Pici headdesks
[18:45] <Seeker`> ?
[18:45] <Pici> Cyborg in #ubuntu
[20:48] <bringbackblastio> Hello.
[20:48] <ompaul> bringbackblastio, what can we do for you
[20:49] <bringbackblastio> hi I would like to pay someone to do something for me.
[20:49] <ompaul> I think you are in the wrong channel
[20:49] <LjL> me me!
[20:49] <LjL> oh.
[20:49] <ompaul> ohh seems not
[20:49]  * Seveas pays LjL to shaddap :p
[20:49]  * LjL goes back to his corner
[20:49]  * ompaul pays Seveas for paying LjL 
[20:50] <bringbackblastio> i need someone to edit this for me.
[20:50] <bringbackblastio> http://encarta.msn.com/encyclopedia_761558727/Lead.html#bottom
[20:50] <ompaul> not a hope
[20:51] <LjL> hmmm lead
[20:57] <ubotu> In #ubuntu-offtopic, Seveas said: !forget kirby
[21:08] <ubotu> In #ubuntu-offtopic, noodlesgc said: !noodlesgc is "The Xmoto Master"
[22:57] <saltedlight> hi. i wold like to have an Ubuntu cloak. what are the requirements?
[23:01] <ompaul> !member
[23:01] <ubotu> Want to become an Ubuntu member? Look at http://www.ubuntu.com/community/processes/newmember
[23:01] <ompaul> saltedlight, ^^ that is it
[23:01] <ompaul> anything else?
[23:02] <saltedlight> i wuld like to have an Ubuntu cloak...
[23:02] <ompaul> saltedlight, cloaks are only available to members, sorry I should have siad
[23:02] <ompaul> said even
[23:02] <saltedlight> i am a member
[23:02] <ompaul> now there is a thing
[23:02] <saltedlight> :)
[23:03] <ompaul> lp id please
[23:03] <saltedlight> saltedlight
[23:05] <ompaul> saltedlight, you have a lp id but you do not have team membership status 
[23:05] <ompaul> please read this http://www.ubuntu.com/community/processes/newmember 
[23:05] <saltedlight> ok. thank's. bye :)
[23:08] <stdin> can someone 's/2/3/g' on !kde4
[23:09] <ompaul> !kde4
[23:09] <ubotu> KDE 4.0.2 is the latest major release of the K Desktop Environment. KDE 4.0.2 packages can be found at http://kubuntu.org/announcements/kde-4.0.2.php - More information can be found at http://www.kde.org/announcements/announce-4.0.2.php - Support in #kubuntu-kde4
[23:10] <Jucato> !no kde4 is <reply> KDE 4.0.3 is the latest major release of the K Desktop Environment. KDE 4.0.3 packages can be found at http://kubuntu.org/announcements/kde-4.0.3.php - More information can be found at http://www.kde.org/announcements/announce-4.0.3.php - Support in #kubuntu-kde4
[23:10] <ubotu> In #ubuntu-ops, Jucato said: !no kde4 is <reply> KDE 4.0.3 is the latest major release of the K Desktop Environment. KDE 4.0.3 packages can be found at http://kubuntu.org/announcements/kde-4.0.3.php - More information can be found at http://www.kde.org/announcements/announce-4.0.3.php - Support in #kubuntu-kde4
[23:10] <Jucato> bah!
[23:10] <ompaul> !no kde4 is <reply> KDE 4.0.3 is the latest major release of the K Desktop Environment. KDE 4.0.3 packages can be found at http://kubuntu.org/announcements/kde-4.0.3.php - More information can be found at http://www.kde.org/announcements/announce-4.0.3.php - Support in #kubuntu-kde4
[23:10] <ubotu> I'll remember that ompaul
[23:10] <Jucato> !no kde4 is <reply> KDE 4.0.3 is the latest major release of the K Desktop Environment. KDE 4.0.3 packages can be found at http://kubuntu.org/announcements/kde-4.0.3.php - More information can be found at http://www.kde.org/announcements/announce-4.0.3.php - Support in #kubuntu-kde4
[23:10] <ubotu> I'll remember that Jucato
[23:10] <Jucato> pfft :P
[23:10] <ompaul> hhahaha
[23:10] <ompaul> gotcha
[23:10] <Jucato> I just forgot to login :)
[23:16] <ompaul> yeap 
[23:28]  * mneptok bops around to the new B-52's album
[23:28] <Seeker`> aren't the B-52's ancient
[23:30] <mneptok> yeah, and so am i
[23:30] <mneptok> so get off my lawn!
[23:30] <mneptok> damn kids.
[23:31] <Seeker`> mneptok: fair enough :)
[23:33] <ompaul> mneptok, you would have gotten away with it if it wern't for the pesky kids and that dog ...
[23:34] <Seeker`> when I was younger
[23:35] <Seeker`> mneptok: did you have to get up 30 mins before you went to bed, spend 36 hours a day working in t' mine, and pay the owner for the privilege of working there...
[23:37] <ompaul> Seeker`, you had it handy
[23:47] <mneptok> when i was your age, any sucroplasm we harvested had to be regurgitated for the queen.
[23:53]  * nikrud pulls up pant legs before tiptoeing through