[00:00] <TheSheep> benpage26: it's a purely physical problem
[00:00] <benpage26> Ok, Thanks for your help TheSheep :D
[00:00] <benpage26> goodbye
[00:29] <Keigo-kun> I installed X and xfce4 today, but I seem to be lacking sound and there's no sound preferences in settings...
[01:24] <Rorschach> Hey guys. I could use a little bit of help changing a folder from read-only.
[01:30] <TheSheep> Rorschach: right-click on it, select properties, then permissions, then set the permissions you want
[01:30] <Rorschach> Alright. The problem is that I can't. I get the message saying that it's Read-Only.
[01:31] <TheSheep> Rorschach: when exactly?
[01:32] <Rorschach> I go to the folder, go to properties > permissions, and then I change it from Read Only to Read+Write or Write, and it immediately says that the permissions couldn't be changed because it is a read-only file system.
[01:33] <TheSheep> Rorschach: so it's not the folder that is read only, it's the disk
[01:33] <TheSheep> Rorschach: are you trying to rename a directory on a cdrom?
[01:34] <TheSheep> s/rename/change permissions
[01:34] <sudobash> lol
[01:34] <TheSheep> Rorschach: that's not possible
[01:34] <Rorschach> No, no. It's an external harddrive.
[01:34] <TheSheep> Rorschach: what filesystem is on it?
[01:35] <Rorschach> Let me check.
[01:35] <TheSheep> Rorschach: type 'mount' in a terminal to see a list of all mounted filesystems
[01:35] <sudobash> what if it isnt mounted
[01:36] <Rorschach> It's mounted.
[01:36] <TheSheep> sudobash: then you don't see it anywhere
[01:36] <sudobash> except in /dev
[01:36] <Rorschach> It's NTFS. That'd be my problem, yeah?
[01:36] <TheSheep> in /dev/ you see devices, not filesystems
[01:37] <sudobash> right the device
[01:37] <TheSheep> Rorschach: yes, ntfs is mounted read-only by default
[01:37] <sudobash> hence /dev/
[01:37] <TheSheep> !ntfs | Rorschach
[01:37] <ubotu> Rorschach: To view your Windows/Mac partitions see https://help.ubuntu.com/community/AutomaticallyMountPartitions - For write access, see /msg ubotu NTFS-3g or /msg ubotu FUSE
[01:37] <sudobash> get ntfs-3g
[01:37] <sudobash> sudo apt-get install ntfs-3g
[01:37] <TheSheep> !ntfs-3g | Rorschach
[01:37] <ubotu> Rorschach: ntfs-3g is a Linux driver which allows read/write access to NTFS partitions. Installation instructions at https://help.ubuntu.com/community/MountingWindowsPartitions
[01:37] <Rorschach> Ahh. There we are, then. Thank you!
[01:47] <Rorschach> Okay, now! New problem. How do I mount the External Hard drive again? Once I got the program you all suggested, the hard drive disappeared
[01:49] <Rorschach> Ah, nevermind. Problem resolved.
[01:49] <Rorschach> Thanks anyway, and sorry for the horribly noobish questions
[01:49] <TheSheep> nah, these are real probalems actually
[01:50] <Rorschach> Ah
[01:51] <TheSheep> it cannot be enabled by default -- either because of legal issues or because it's not perfectly stable
[01:51] <TheSheep> you see, there is no public documentation for recent versions of NTFS, so most of it was reverse-engineered...
[01:52] <Rorschach> Right.
[01:55] <Rorschach> Alright. I've got NTFS-3g, and the drive seems to be mounted. What do I do now to make it writable?
[01:57] <Or1> TheSheep: I'm back, still not being successful with installation. Now I am trying from the alternate cd and it goes until Select and install software 6% and stops at configuring xserver-xorg.  Do you have any idea how to get around this problem?
[01:58] <Or1> TheSheep: My nick has change in the meantime, I have just realised
[02:05] <TheSheep> Or1: no idea
[02:05] <TheSheep> Or1: you have checked the cd for defects?
[02:05] <TheSheep> Or1: does this box have internet access?
[02:06] <TheSheep> (it's not required, but if it does the installer will try to download more recent versions)
[02:06] <Or1> TheSheep: Yes, the cd has no defects, it does not have internet access
[02:07] <TheSheep> it's hardy, right?
[02:07] <Or1> so it seems
[02:07] <TheSheep> Or1: when you press alt+f2, you will get to a console
[02:07] <TheSheep> Or1: type 'ps x' in there to see the list of running processes
[02:08] <TheSheep> see if there is anything suspicious
[02:08] <Or1> ok, but i am trying again with the cd...
[02:12] <Or1> when do I press Alt+F2?
[02:13] <Or1> I have get it!
[02:14] <Or1> only Busybox came up, that looks ok
[03:17] <mnemoc> hi, I just installed 8.04 beta but i didt get a "szstems" menu... what do i need to install to get it?
[03:17] <mnemoc> i mean, the third menu on the topbar, after applications and places
[03:19] <j1mc> hi mnemoc ... do you mean the button that has the question mark in it?
[03:20] <mnemoc> on 7.10 there was a menu with "system"configuration tools
[03:20] <mnemoc> (lag)
[03:21] <mnemoc> to change the kezboard lazout and countrz for example :p
[03:21] <mnemoc> where is that now?
[03:22] <j1mc> mnemoc: ah, ok... go to applications > settings > settings manager
[03:22] <j1mc> try that
[03:23] <mnemoc> arenÇt those onlz for mz account?
[03:24]  * mnemoc hates german lazout
[03:24] <j1mc> mnemoc: you can also go to applications > system > language support
[03:25] <mnemoc> aha! thanks :)
[03:25] <j1mc> yw
[03:32] <Adantan_Alex> o0
[03:33] <j1mc> hi Adantan_Alex
[04:08] <Adantan_Alex> hi
[04:08] <Adantan_Alex> j1mc: do you need any help?
[04:12] <j1mc> Adantan_Alex: no... i just saw you write o0 ...
[04:12] <j1mc> and was saying hi
[04:12] <j1mc> i ws kind of seeing if you needed help.  :)
[04:30] <Rorschach> I'm having a bit of trouble mounting this external hard drive with ntfs-g3.
[04:34] <ozkUGH> hi im curious if xubuntu install cd has wicd on it? or does it install it already during installation?
[04:35] <TheSheep> Adantan_Alex: you were asking yesterday about something, but disconnected before I could answer
[04:35] <TheSheep> Rorschach: what trouble?
[04:36] <Rorschach> TheSheep: Alright, well, I've gotten pretty close, but I still get an error. Let me copy it
[04:36] <TheSheep> !pastebin
[04:36] <ubotu> pastebin is a service to post multiple-lined texts so you don't flood the channel. The Ubuntu pastebin is at http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org (make sure you give us the URL for your paste - see also the channel topic)
[04:38] <TheSheep> Rorschach: can you try mounting it manually, with 'mount -t ntfs-3g /dev/sdb1 some-directory' as root?
[04:40] <Rorschach> TheSheep: That's what I've been getting. I sent you the error I kept getting
[04:40] <TheSheep> Rorschach: and that's all?
[04:40] <TheSheep> Rorschach: did you add the 'fuse' module to /etc/modules?
[04:41] <TheSheep> what does 'lsmod | grep fuse' say?
[04:43] <Rorschach> TheSheep: fuse                   43912  0  is all I get
[04:43] <TheSheep> ok, so the module is loaded
[04:44] <TheSheep> you are getting this error even when mounting as root?
[04:44] <TheSheep> can you mount with -t ntfs ?
[04:48] <TheSheep> it's 6 am, gotta go to bed, good luck
[04:48] <Rorschach> TheSheep: Nope, I get an error then too
[04:48] <Rorschach> Alright.
[04:48] <Rorschach> Thanks anyway
[04:49] <TheSheep> Rorschach: check if the drive is connected
[04:49] <Rorschach> It is.
[04:49] <TheSheep> try reconnecting
[04:49] <TheSheep> io error is usually something low-level
[04:49] <Rorschach> Yeah/
[04:49] <Rorschach> I can mount the drive, it just stays as read-only now.
[04:50] <TheSheep> umount and mount with ntfs-3g
[04:51] <Rorschach> Didn't work. Same error with Fuse
[04:52] <Rorschach> fuse: failed to exec fusermount: Input/output error
[04:52] <Rorschach> Failed to mount NTFSUnmounting /dev/sdb1 ()
[04:52] <Rorschach> All I got
[04:53] <TheSheep> there is another common error, ntfs-3g will refuse to mount a disk if it wasn't cleanly unmounted on windows, for example if you just unplugged it or powered off the computer, without 'removing safely' or shutting down the system
[04:53] <TheSheep> but the error message is different then
[04:53] <Rorschach> I actually got that error.
[04:54] <Rorschach> Fixed that, and then came back with this problem.
[04:54] <TheSheep> maybe look at 'dmesg|tail'
[04:54] <Rorschach> Also formatted it real quick, as I'd been playing around with it on windows before.
[04:54] <TheSheep> might give more details
[04:55] <Rorschach> With that, I got [17198127.340000] NTFS-fs error (device sda1): ntfs_end_buffer_async_read(): Buffer I/O error, logical block 0x60000a.
[04:55] <TheSheep> bad blocks :/
[04:55] <Rorschach> What
[04:55] <TheSheep> run scandisk on it on windows
[04:55] <Rorschach> Er
[04:56] <Rorschach> Uh oh. It's a problem with the drive itself?
[04:56] <TheSheep> not necessarily, but might be
[04:56] <Rorschach> Alright. I did format it already.
[04:56] <Rorschach> I'm wondering if that might have something to do with it
[04:56] <TheSheep> under windows or under linux?
[04:57] <Rorschach> Windows
[05:03] <Rorschach> Alright. If this doesn't work I'll be back tomorrow. Thansk for your help, either way.
[06:04] <Adantan_Alex> i need some help
[06:27] <Adantan_Alex> hi i need help
[06:28] <happy-sufferer> how do i rename my iPod?
[07:05] <Adantan_Alex> !audio
[07:05] <ubotu> If you're having problems with sound, first ensure ALSA is selected, by double clicking on the volume control, then File -> Change Device (ALSA Mixer). If that fails, see https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Sound - https://help.ubuntu.com/community/SoundTroubleshooting - http://alsa.opensrc.org/DmixPlugin - For playing audio files, see !Players and !MP3
[10:29] <Or1> Could someone tell me, what the main difference between Gutsy Gibbon and Dapper Drake?
[10:40] <Iskr> Or1, Dapper Drake is a old "long support" version
[10:41] <Iskr> Gutsy Gibbon is the latest stable release
[10:43] <Or1> I know that much but what is the difference in funcionality?
[10:44] <Or1> The reason I am asking is that I could not install Gutsy Gibbon so I thought I give a try with the older version...
[10:45] <Iskr> mmmh
[10:45] <Iskr> i don't know if it is a good idea
[10:45] <Iskr> and i don't understand your question about functionality
[10:46] <Iskr> dapper is _much_ older
[10:46] <Iskr> all software may have bugs resolved in newer versions and may lack features present in newer versions
[10:47] <Iskr> it is particularly valid for xubuntu by my experience
[10:47] <gokr> Silly question - have a Dell 410 with current Xubuntu beta on (really nice installer!) - how do I turn on wifi?
[10:50] <Or1> Iskr: Thanks
[10:54] <Iskr> i@is:/media/doc$ md5sum ubuntu-7.10-alternate-i386.iso
[10:54] <Iskr> md5sum: ubuntu-7.10-alternate-i386.iso: Errore di I/O
[10:54] <Iskr> any idea of why?
[11:25] <arualavi> Iskr: maybe you have a hardware failure (Input/Output error)
[11:25] <Iskr> i think so
[11:26] <arualavi> is this file on your hard disk?
[11:27] <Iskr> yes
[11:57] <arualavi> Iskr: it could be a filesystem error too.
[11:58] <Iskr> mh
[13:42] <colourdotz> Hi to everyone
[14:25] <solotim> hello channel
[14:26] <solotim> I have a question: I want to install 8.04 beta, but I wonder if the beta can be updated to 8.04 final release without reinstallation?
[14:44] <solotim> hello
[14:44] <solotim> anybody available?
[14:44] <crimsun> solotim: yes, it can.
[14:45] <solotim> thank you crimsun
[18:08] <redwhitewaldo> : i'm on xubuntu. i'm trying to install skype, but it says 'Error: Dependency is not satisfiable: libqt4-core". How do i get that libqt4-core file?
[18:09] <TheSheep> redwhitewaldo: sudo apt-get install skype
[18:09] <TheSheep> redwhitewaldo: it will pull in all the required dependencies
[18:09] <redwhitewaldo> TheSheep: skype is already on my desktop.
[18:10] <TheSheep> you might need to enable additional repositories
[18:10] <redwhitewaldo> I got skype-deb from skype.com
[18:10] <redwhitewaldo> how do i enable additonal repost
[18:10] <redwhitewaldo> ?
[18:10] <TheSheep> !repos
[18:10] <ubotu> The packages in Ubuntu are divided into several sections. More information at https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Repositories and http://www.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/components - See https://wiki.ubuntu.com/RecommendedSources for the recommended way to set up your repositories
[18:10] <TheSheep> redwhitewaldo: you set them in system->package sources
[18:10] <redwhitewaldo> TheSheep: i'm now in "Software Sources" program
[18:11] <redwhitewaldo> there's  a check mark near all of them (main, universe, restricted, multiverse).
[18:11] <TheSheep> there should be a 'commercial repository' somewhere
[18:11] <redwhitewaldo> BTW, i'm on xubuntu 8.04
[18:11] <TheSheep> just enable it
[18:11] <redwhitewaldo> let me see where it is
[18:11] <redwhitewaldo> TheSheep: i don't see commercial repo anywhere in Software Sources
[18:12] <redwhitewaldo> maybe i'm just blind. 8-)
[18:12] <TheSheep> redwhitewaldo: it's the second tab, 'third party software', canonical partner
[18:13] <redwhitewaldo> ok. i see 3. 1) cdrom 2) archive.canonical.com/ubuntu hardy partner 3) archive.canonical.com/ubuntu hardy partner (source code)
[18:13] <redwhitewaldo> i put a check on second one, yes?
[18:13] <TheSheep> yes
[18:13] <redwhitewaldo> ok. it's downloading package info. after that, what shall i do?
[18:14] <TheSheep> redwhitewaldo: just install skype with synaptic
[18:14] <redwhitewaldo> i don't need the skype-deb i got from skype.com anymore?
[18:14] <TheSheep> no
[18:15] <redwhitewaldo> all right
[18:15] <redwhitewaldo> TheSheep: snaptic couldn't find any file or descritpion named "skype" 8-(
[18:16] <TheSheep> hmm
[18:16] <TheSheep> !skype
[18:16] <ubotu> To install Skype on Ubuntu, see https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Skype - To record on Skype, check: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/SkypeRecordingHowto
[18:16] <redwhitewaldo> is it got to do with my being on 8.04 beta?
[18:16] <TheSheep> ah, it's a different repository, sorry
[18:16] <redwhitewaldo> oh, i need to install skype repo, acconding to help page.
[18:16] <redwhitewaldo> no problem 8-)
[18:17] <redwhitewaldo> TheSheep: u on 7.10?
[18:17] <TheSheep> no, 8.04
[18:17] <redwhitewaldo> TheSheep: me too.
[18:18] <TheSheep> ok, you want skype-static from the medibuntu repository
[18:18] <redwhitewaldo> is skype-static better than skype-NOT-static?
[18:18] <TheSheep> there is no skype-not-static in the repos %)
[18:18] <TheSheep> -static means it has all the required libraries compiled into itself
[18:19] <redwhitewaldo> TheSheep: so static debs mean that the files are bigger.
[18:19] <redwhitewaldo> yes?
[18:19] <TheSheep> Installed-Size: 18388
[18:19] <TheSheep> 18KB
[18:19] <TheSheep> can you tolerate that?
[18:19] <redwhitewaldo> yes.
[18:19] <redwhitewaldo> 8-)
[18:19] <redwhitewaldo> i have no idea how to get medibuntu repo
[18:20] <TheSheep> it's in the same list as that partner repo
[18:20] <TheSheep> or maybe on the first tab
[18:20] <TheSheep> in software sources
[18:20] <redwhitewaldo> TheSheep: does getting from medibuntu mean that i should remove the skype repo?
[18:20] <TheSheep> no
[18:20] <TheSheep> oh, you can get from the skype repo too
[18:20] <redwhitewaldo> TheSheep: but does skype repo have static deb?
[18:21] <TheSheep> the point is to install from the repositories, so that you get the updates
[18:21] <redwhitewaldo> issee
[18:21] <TheSheep> no idea, probably
[18:21] <redwhitewaldo> ok.
[18:22] <redwhitewaldo> i'm on 1 gig ram, 1gigahertz computer and am running xubuntu
[18:22] <redwhitewaldo> TheSheep: i now see skype in synaptic, but how can i tell whether it's static or not?
[18:24] <TheSheep> if it's not static, all the required libraries will be installed automatically anyways
[18:24] <TheSheep> so you needn't worry
[18:24] <redwhitewaldo> i see. it's installing now. 8-)
[18:25] <redwhitewaldo> i'm looking for a "typing break" program/applet equivalent in Xubuntu. something that will "lock" me out of my computer for 5 minutes every 30 minutes. is there something like that on xubuntu?
[18:26] <zoredache> you could probably setup a script that runs xflock4 perodically...  Though it seems like a silly idea to me
[18:27] <redwhitewaldo> zoredache: what's a silly idea: runing xflock4, or having a forced "away-from-computer" break?
[18:27] <zoredache> the forced away bit
[18:27] <redwhitewaldo> zoredache: i tend to lose sense of time when i'm online.
[18:27] <redwhitewaldo> when i was on ubuntu/gnome, it helped me.
[18:28] <redwhitewaldo> it helps to give me discipline that i'm currently growing at. 8-)
[18:28] <zoredache> what program did you use in gnome?
[18:28] <zoredache> it is likely that it would also work in xfce enviroment...
[18:28] <redwhitewaldo> zoredache: something that was part of the keyboard settings.... in a tab called "typing break", which, when on, appeared on panel in an applet
[18:28] <zoredache> hrm..
[18:29] <^u^> what about using cron
[18:29] <redwhitewaldo> what i liked about typing break was when it was down to 3 minutes or so, the applet would flash red, so i can prepare for the break.
[18:30] <redwhitewaldo> another question: does xubuntu work with dual-monitor displays?
[18:30] <zoredache> I don't think cron would be that great, because it wouldn't be able to measure actually intervals when he is there, it would just be set times... plus it wouldn't easily interact with the xorg enviroment
[18:30] <sundance_bob> Hello. I've just installed xubuntu. I'm sorry but I'm not the most computer literate person around. I'm looking to play .mpg in Totem, could anyone help?
[18:31] <zoredache> redwhitewaldo: sure if you use double head
[18:31] <redwhitewaldo> zoredache: doublehead is a name of a program or hardware stuff?
[18:31] <zoredache> it might be a bit tricky to get set up depending on your video card though
[18:31] <zoredache> !dualhead
[18:31] <ubotu> Information about dual-head on linux can be found on http://wiki.linuxquestions.org/wiki/DualHead - See also !Xinerama
[18:31] <redwhitewaldo> I got dualmonitor working on ubuntu 7.10
[18:32] <zoredache> then you should do the exact same things to set it up in xubuntu.
[18:32] <redwhitewaldo> zoredache: that easy, eh?
[18:33] <redwhitewaldo> thanks.
[18:33] <redwhitewaldo> now what about this forced-time-away-from-computer.
[18:33] <redwhitewaldo> please
[18:33] <redwhitewaldo> 8-)
[18:34] <zoredache> I am almost certain there is nothing that is part of xfce to do that... You would need some other program to do it... Either something you write or install..  But I don't know of anything that would do that
[18:34] <redwhitewaldo> i am no programmer. 8-(
[18:35] <sundance_bob> zoredache, any advice on how to play .mpg in Totem or how to get a full codec list 'into it'?
[18:36] <zoredache> !codecs
[18:36] <ubotu> For multimedia issues, this page has useful information: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/RestrictedFormats - See also http://help.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/desktopguide/C/common-tasks-chap.html - But please use free formats if you can: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/FreeFormats
[18:36] <sundance_bob> ty
[18:37] <TheSheep> redwhitewaldo: there are several 'typing break' programs, but can't recall the names
[18:38] <redwhitewaldo> how can i get the mic to be boosted up?
[18:39] <TheSheep> hmm, xwrit, rsibreak, I used to use workrave for some time
[18:39] <TheSheep> redwhitewaldo: I believe there is a control for that in the mixer
[18:39] <redwhitewaldo> i don't see mixer on my panels.
[18:40] <TheSheep> it's in your settings
[18:40] <TheSheep> in settings manager, sound settings
[18:40] <redwhitewaldo> you mean "sound"
[18:40] <redwhitewaldo> yeah, but for me, it's only checkboxes
[18:40] <redwhitewaldo> no way to control volume
[18:40] <TheSheep> you can also add the volume to the panel, then clicking it will start the mixer
[18:40] <redwhitewaldo> thanks.
[18:41] <redwhitewaldo> TheSheep: i'll try xwrit OR rsibreak OR workrave.
[18:43] <redwhitewaldo> TheSheep: rsibreak is for kde, i see.
[18:44] <TheSheep> well, you can enable/disable controls in the preferences
[18:44] <TheSheep> you can also use 'alsamixer' from the terminal
[18:44] <redwhitewaldo> TheSheep: i got sound working well now, thanks.p
[18:45] <redwhitewaldo> looks like rsibreak is for kde, too. based on the screenshots at  deb http://download.skype.com/linux/repos/debian/ stable non-free
[18:45] <redwhitewaldo> sorry wrong paste.
[18:45] <redwhitewaldo> http://www.rsibreak.org//index.php?option=com_content&task=view&id=8&Itemid=5
[18:47] <redwhitewaldo> what can ubuntu users do/have that xubuntu can't?
[18:52] <maxamillion> redwhitewaldo: browse samba shares natively
[18:53] <Stroganoff> fusesmb+thunar is working well in xubuntu
[18:55] <redwhitewaldo>  for ubuntu isos (and future ones), do we need 650 mb discs or 700mb?
[19:27] <redwhitewaldo> how can i automatically do 3 "sudo" commands whenever i startup my computer?
[19:29] <maxamillion> redwhitewaldo: you shouldn't have to do sudo commands on boot, the commands will run privilaged in the upstart process
[19:30] <redwhitewaldo> the 3 sudo commands that i want to have autotically startup are : 1)modprobe visor (for my pda); 2 and 3) sudo modprobe ndiswrapper and sudo depmod -a (for ndiswrapper, wireless pci card)
[19:30] <redwhitewaldo> maxamillion: ok. how do i do that.
[19:30] <redwhitewaldo> how do i make the commands automated?
[19:31] <maxamillion> redwhitewaldo: you need to edit the correct rc
[19:32] <redwhitewaldo> what's rc? and which is the correct "rc"?
[19:32] <maxamillion> redwhitewaldo: you should look into reading up on that though, it can be potentially system destructive and its not the most "user friendly" process
[19:32] <redwhitewaldo> maxamillion: so what's a userfriendly process?
[19:32] <maxamillion> there isn't one
[19:33] <maxamillion> redwhitewaldo: wait
[19:33] <redwhitewaldo> how can it be destructive, maxamillion, and how is it not user-frienfdly?
[19:33] <maxamillion> redwhitewaldo: what exactly are you trying to do? do you need these things to happen when you boot your computer or just when you log into it?
[19:33] <redwhitewaldo> maxamillion: when i log onto xubuntu.
[19:33] <maxamillion> ah, completely different
[19:33] <redwhitewaldo> the 3 things i want to happen are: 1)modprobe visor (for my pda); 2 and 3) sudo modprobe ndiswrapper and sudo depmod -a (for ndiswrapper, wireless pci card)
[19:34] <maxamillion> redwhitewaldo: just go into applications->system preferences->autostarted applications and put them in there
[19:34] <maxamillion> redwhitewaldo: ohhhh!!!!!!
[19:34] <redwhitewaldo> maxamillion: what about the sudo part?
[19:34] <redwhitewaldo> won't it NOT work because it needs the sudo password?
[19:34] <maxamillion> redwhitewaldo: no, don't do what i just told you
[19:35] <maxamillion> redwhitewaldo: you are trying to do something completely different
[19:35] <redwhitewaldo> ok. i'm listening.
[19:36] <maxamillion> redwhitewaldo: just a second, lemme get you a link, there is a good tutorial on how to do this somewhere ... i just need to find it
[19:38] <maxamillion> redwhitewaldo: about the ndiswrapper stuff ---> http://ndiswrapper.sourceforge.net/joomla/index.php?/component/option,com_openwiki/Itemid,33/id,installation/
[19:38] <maxamillion> redwhitewaldo: you just need to skip down towards the bottom because you don't have to do any of the compiling crap since you installed it from the repositories
[19:40] <redwhitewaldo> maxamillion: i'm on that link you gave. i'm not sure i understand it completely, but let me guess: i shoudl do something with etc/modules
[19:40] <redwhitewaldo> yes?
[19:40] <redwhitewaldo> i should add a ndiswrapper line in /etc/modules?
[19:41] <maxamillion> redwhitewaldo: well, run that command 'ndiswrapper -m' and if that doesn't make it work then edit the /etc/modules
[19:43] <redwhitewaldo> maxamillion: i've tried that ndiswrapper -m in terminal many times, and when I do it, terminal says "module configuration already contains alias directive". yet whenever i reboot, i have to do the 2 and 3) sudo commands (sudo modprobe ndiswrapper and sudo depmod -a ) again.
[19:43] <redwhitewaldo> i guess that means i have to edit /etc/modules.
[19:43] <redwhitewaldo> i wonder why it doesn't work
[19:43] <redwhitewaldo> 8-{
[19:44] <maxamillion> that's a bit strange :(
[19:44] <redwhitewaldo> yeah.
[19:44] <redwhitewaldo> the official xubuntu docs even say the same thing
[19:44] <maxamillion> redwhitewaldo: and i assume you can just add that other module in /etc/modules also and it *should* load at boot time
[19:45] <redwhitewaldo> is that what we want... to make it load at _boot_ time, rather than load at _session login_ time?
[19:46] <maxamillion> redwhitewaldo: it technically shouldn't matter, it will be loaded either way and this way you don't have to use sudo to do it
[19:47] <redwhitewaldo> ok.
[19:50] <redwhitewaldo> maxamillion: all i do is enter "ndiswrapper" in /etc/modules, correct? (as per http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=630486)
[19:50] <redwhitewaldo> how do i edit /etc/modules? what command in terminal do i use?
[19:51] <redwhitewaldo> mousepad?
[19:52] <redwhitewaldo> yes,$ sudo mousepad /etc/modules made it work. 8-)
[19:54] <redwhitewaldo> maxamillion: what about the sudo modprobe visor issue?
[19:54] <redwhitewaldo> 8-)
[19:54] <maxamillion> redwhitewaldo: just add 'visor' into ndiswrapper on a new empty line
[19:54] <maxamillion> redwhitewaldo: that should work the same was
[19:54] <maxamillion> way*
[19:54] <redwhitewaldo> into "ndiswrapper".
[19:54] <redwhitewaldo> ?
[19:54] <redwhitewaldo> what do you mean add visor into ndiswrapper?
[19:54] <maxamillion> bah!
[19:54] <maxamillion> worry
[19:55] <maxamillion> sorry&
[19:55] <redwhitewaldo> do you mean enter visor into etc/modulesL
[19:55] <redwhitewaldo> ?
[19:55] <maxamillion> jeebus i can't type
[19:55] <maxamillion> redwhitewaldo: yes
[19:55] <redwhitewaldo> maxamillion: you must be tired.
[19:55] <redwhitewaldo> 8-)
[19:55]  * maxamillion is extremely tired
[19:55] <maxamillion> very sorry
[19:55] <maxamillion> brb
[19:55] <redwhitewaldo> what time zone u at?
[19:58] <redwhitewaldo> maxamillion: i've just rebooted and the ndiswrapper entry in /etc/modules worked for me!
[19:59] <redwhitewaldo> doesn't xubuntu allow rectangular selections with  mouse?
[19:59] <redwhitewaldo> ... on Desktop?
[20:02] <redwhitewaldo> who needs the 2nd panel (with open programs) when middleclick on open deskop gives the same list?
[20:03] <TheSheep> redwhitewaldo: who needs that list anyways when you can see all your program windows on your desktop(s)
[20:03] <TheSheep> redwhitewaldo: it doesn't allow you to select files on desktop, desktop is not supposed to be a place for storing files :)
[20:03] <redwhitewaldo> TheSheep: no, i'm not talking like that.
[20:03] <redwhitewaldo> i meant seeing the active programs
[20:04] <TheSheep> redwhitewaldo: I am
[20:04] <redwhitewaldo> by middeclicking on the desktop.
[20:04] <redwhitewaldo> are we talking about the same thing here?
[20:04] <TheSheep> redwhitewaldo: the task list is not needed, I get around pretty well with just large pager
[20:05] <redwhitewaldo> i didn't mean storing files on desktop. i meant seeing a context-menu popup when middleclicking desktop.
[20:05] <redwhitewaldo> what pager?
[20:05] <redwhitewaldo> what's a "large pager?
[20:05] <TheSheep> the pager panel plugin
[20:05] <TheSheep> wait
[20:05] <redwhitewaldo> TheSheep: what's that?
[20:05] <redwhitewaldo> sounds interesting
[20:05] <TheSheep> http://atos.wmid.amu.edu.pl/~sheep/shot.png <-- my screeen
[20:06] <TheSheep> the minimized apps go to an icon box next to tray
[20:06] <redwhitewaldo> pager is that thing in middle? or hting at bottom middle?
[20:07] <TheSheep> bottom middle
[20:07] <TheSheep> allows you to see and switch workspaces
[20:07] <TheSheep> and also to drag windows between workspaces
[20:08] <redwhitewaldo> oh, i have a pager, but it's not as big as yours.
[20:08] <TheSheep> it grows with the panel
[20:09] <TheSheep> I made it big because that's my main means of navigation
[20:09] <redwhitewaldo> how do you make panel bigger
[20:09] <TheSheep> right-click, customize panel
[20:10] <redwhitewaldo> i see. one downside with pager, no matter what size: you don't see icons for some windows
[20:10] <redwhitewaldo> for firefox, yes, but for others, just a grey box
[20:10] <redwhitewaldo> .maybe i'm wrong
[20:10] <TheSheep> it's better on larger sizes
[20:10] <redwhitewaldo> oh, yes. you're right.
[20:11] <redwhitewaldo> what's your pixel size for panel with pager?
[20:11] <Taza> I heard there was a testing repository?
[20:12] <TheSheep> !hardy
[20:12] <ubotu> Hardy Heron is the code name for the next release of Ubuntu (8.04-LTS), due April 24, 2008 - For more info, see: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/HardyHeron - CONSIDER IT TO BE BETA SOFTWARE - Discussion and support in #ubuntu+1, NOT #ubuntu
[20:12] <Taza> I need to get packages more recent than the most recent in normal repositories.
[20:12] <Taza> TheSheep: I mean a Gutsy testing. Or would Hardy be that testing repo?
[20:13]  * Taza is not ready to upgrade to hardy quite yet
[20:13] <TheSheep> Taza: ah, you can enable it in your software sources
[20:13] <TheSheep> Taza: it's called 'proposed' or something
[20:14] <Taza> gutsy-proposed or?
[20:14] <TheSheep> yes
[20:14] <Taza> I
[20:14] <TheSheep> but I don't think gutsy will get many new packages
[20:14] <Taza> This should keep me going 'till hardy stable
[20:15] <Taza> Yeah, I'm looking for some very recent bugfix packages
[20:22] <birgi> hey everybody, i don't have mkinitrd in my system, which package does it belong to?
[20:24] <TheSheep> birgi: there is no such thing in ubuntu, I believe
[20:25] <birgi> TheSheep: hey :), how are you? thanks by the way
[20:26] <birgi> TheSheep: i was using it with my previous gentoo system, that is why i tried it first
[20:26] <TheSheep> birgi: if you want to re-generate your initrd, just run  sudo dpkg-reconfigure linux-image$(uname -r)
[20:26] <TheSheep> linux-image-$(uname -r), sorry
[20:27] <birgi> TheSheep: ok thanks a lot
[20:38] <redwhitewaldo> how do i force screensaver on (to lock out screen)?
[20:38] <maxamillion> redwhitewaldo: ctrl+alt+L
[20:39] <redwhitewaldo> maxamillion: oh. the same as in gnome. thanks@@@@@!!!
[20:39] <maxamillion> redwhitewaldo: np :)
[20:40] <redwhitewaldo> ctrl+alt+L does nothing
[20:42] <RedHeron> How do I turn the energy conservation system off? It keeps turning on before the screen saver, and I can't seem to find any control for it anywhere.
[20:42] <nikolam> here at me ctrl+alt+del locks screen
[20:43] <nikolam> but be aware not to hit it if you are not under X-windows screen
[20:44] <RedHeron> I think waldo went back to hiding.
[20:45] <Taza> How is Hardy compared to Gutsy btw?
[20:45] <RedHeron> I ultimately went back to Gutsy.
[20:45] <Taza> As in, speedwise
[20:45] <RedHeron> It's faster, but not stable enough yet.
[20:45] <TheSheep> Taza: firefox 3 seems faster and less memory hungry
[20:45] <Taza> I'm not updating before RC anyway
[20:46] <Taza> TheSheep: I know about FF3, been using it on windows for ages
[20:46] <nikolam> I am not eather befor final 8.04
[20:46] <Taza> Kinda reluctant to upgrade before GBS is updated tho.
[20:46]  * RedHeron hates FF3.
[20:46] <Taza> It's a dealbreaker extension for me.
[20:46] <Taza> RedHeron: YOu can disable the awesomebar
[20:46] <Taza> Excepting the awesomebar, FF3 is better in almost every way than FF2
[20:46] <RedHeron> FF3 was one of the MAJOR reasons I went back.
[20:46] <TheSheep> Taza: gbs?
[20:46] <Taza> Google Bookmark Sync
[20:47] <Taza> Syncs bookmarks, cookies and saved passwords to my Google account
[20:47] <TheSheep> well, I have the same issues with some of my extensions (adblock, web developer), but in the end I just edited their install.rdf and installed :)
[20:47] <nikolam> Hey guys, does anyone made some virtual machine (qemu, xen, etc) using 64-bit guest OS and also using VT cpu instructions under *ubuntu 64-bit?
[20:48] <nikolam> I want to test some of hardy installs
[20:48] <Taza> TheSheep: GBS just crashes when you try to install it on FF3
[20:48] <TheSheep> ah, advanced features :)
[20:49] <RedHeron> Still trying to figure out how to turn off power-saving features.
[22:31] <entity> hmm gnash dont seem to run okey, is there any other way to run flash stuff?
[22:46] <TheSheep> !flash
[22:46] <ubotu> To install Flash see https://help.ubuntu.com/community/RestrictedFormats/Flash (for !Dapper and !Edgy, a recent version is available in !backports) - See also !Restricted and !Gnash
[22:59] <entity> ty
[23:01] <Iskr> why does xubuntu install postfix?
[23:03] <TheSheep> Iskr: it does not
[23:03] <TheSheep> Iskr: unless you tell it to
[23:03] <Iskr> no
[23:03] <Iskr> i just installe xubuntu-desktop
[23:03] <Iskr> and it installed postfix
[23:03] <Iskr> without any sollecitation by me
[23:04] <Iskr> it also asked me to configure it
[23:04] <TheSheep> Iskr: version?
[23:04] <Iskr> i entered random values
[23:04] <Iskr> 7.10
[23:04] <zoredache> how did you install?   Alt installer?  manually with apt-get install xubuntu-desktop or?
[23:05] <Iskr> alt install
[23:05] <TheSheep> do you have treating recommendations as dependencies enabld in synaptic?
[23:05] <Iskr> i performed a cli install
[23:05] <Iskr> and then i did sudo aptitude install xubuntu-desktop
[23:05] <TheSheep> or in apt-ge config
[23:05] <Iskr> end =)
[23:05] <zoredache> apttitude gets reccomended stuff by default i believe...
[23:05] <Iskr> oh i see
[23:05] <TheSheep> I guess aptitute installs recoommends by default
[23:06] <Iskr> why is postfix reccomended, then?
[23:06] <TheSheep> just another proof of its brokenness, can't really understand why anyone uses it
[23:06] <Iskr> what? aptitude?
[23:06] <TheSheep> Iskr: probably for some mail utility, like the bogofilter
[23:07] <Iskr> what is broken, TheSheep ?
[23:07] <TheSheep> Iskr: nothing, everything is alright, please proceed, nothing to see here ;)
[23:08] <TheSheep> Iskr: I just don't like aptitude
[23:08] <Iskr> what should i use?
[23:08] <zoredache> apt-get or synaptic
[23:08] <TheSheep> Iskr: no idea, that's just my personal preference
[23:08] <Iskr> is apt-get so different from aptitude
[23:08] <Iskr> ?
[23:09] <Iskr> i usually use synaptic but if i have to install the desktop environment...
[23:09] <zoredache> from the command line it is deceptively identical...  It has slightly different defaults
[23:09] <TheSheep> Iskr: no idea, that's just my personal preference
[23:09] <TheSheep> sorry
[23:10] <TheSheep> my connection gets bad
[23:10] <TheSheep> Iskr: apt and synaptic use the same database for meta info, aptitude has its own
[23:10] <Iskr> i didn't know it
[23:10] <TheSheep> Iskr: so if you use aptitude, the autoremove wn't work properly
[23:11] <Iskr> well
[23:11] <Iskr> it's a serious issue
[23:11] <TheSheep> there is atool for synchronizing them
[23:11] <TheSheep> but that's just an additional thing to take care of
[23:12] <TheSheep> personally I don't like how ptitude tries to think for you and often fails badly :)
[23:13] <Iskr> well...
[23:13] <Iskr> i thought that aptitude was just a cli version of synaptic
[23:13] <Iskr> and when used without "graphical" interface
[23:13] <Iskr> i thought it was a synonim for apt-get
[23:13] <Iskr> i don't get why this caos
[23:13] <TheSheep> that's apt-get
[23:14] <Iskr> it has also installed nautilus???
[23:15] <zoredache> the chaos is because of the open-source nature of linux
[23:15] <zoredache> everyone thinks they can build a better widget... and frequently we get multiple competing widgets
[23:35] <Iskr> is there a why i can force higher resolution?
[23:35] <Iskr> i think this video card supports 1024x768
[23:36] <Iskr> but in settings there is only 800x600
[23:39] <TheSheep> Iskr: make sure your card and monitor were detected properly
[23:40] <TheSheep> Iskr: you can change the settings by typing 'sudo dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg' in terminal
[23:43] <Iskr> lol
[23:43] <Iskr> when i tried to open the terminal
[23:43] <Iskr> x restarted
[23:43] <zoredache> my magic 8-ball says you have an intel 810
[23:44] <Iskr> but
[23:44] <Iskr> but
[23:44] <Iskr> it installed GNOME
[23:44] <Iskr> I NEVER ASKED GNOME
[23:45] <Taza> You really wanted gnome. You were just too ashamed to admit it.
[23:45] <Iskr> =P
[23:45] <Taza> I'm so glad I can get rid of most of the gnome and oo.o stuff with 8.04
[23:45] <Taza> Don't get me wrong, I think it's a great piece of office software but I utterly hate OO.o
[23:46] <Taza> I don't want it OR microsoft office anywhere near my computer. I like html in nano or notepad, thankyouverymuch.
[23:46] <TheSheep> Taza: why not vim?
[23:46] <TheSheep> I pity people who must use nano
[23:47] <Taza> TheSheep: I like nano
[23:47] <Taza> I don't like vim and it's annoying little quirks
[23:47] <TheSheep> Taza: I pity you :D
[23:47] <Iskr> has nano syntax highlight?
[23:47] <Taza> No
[23:47] <Taza> I don't need no stinking syntax highlighting
[23:47] <TheSheep> Iskr: and it messes up tabs and spaces too
[23:47] <Taza> Even better!
[23:48] <Taza> I don't need no tabs either
[23:48] <TheSheep> .oO( people who don't people around need people around to let them know that they don't need people around )
[23:49] <TheSheep> need*
[23:55] <Iskr> wtf
[23:55] <Iskr> why does terminal make x restart???
[23:55] <TheSheep> a bug in the i810 vide odriver
[23:55] <Taza> Are you running reconfigure xserver-xorg?
[23:56] <TheSheep> and in some sis too, I believe
[23:56] <Iskr> no, before than running anything
[23:56] <Iskr> when i presso on terminal x shuts
[23:56] <TheSheep> setting X to 16bit color or using a different terminal emulator are two possible workarounds
[23:56] <Iskr> i see
[23:56] <Iskr> what terminal can i use?
[23:57] <TheSheep> gnome-terminal :D
[23:57] <Iskr> -.-
[23:57] <TheSheep> or just xterm
[23:57] <TheSheep> some people like rxvt too
[23:57]  * Taza likes xfce4-terminal AFTER he did some config file changes
[23:58] <TheSheep> Taza: terminus font ftw!
[23:58] <Taza> I have an Eee spinoff of Xubuntu
[23:58] <Taza> Going to install just base Xubuntu I'll rig for the Eee after 8.04 enters the picture.
[23:58] <zoredache> terminus, isn't that a MS font?
[23:59] <TheSheep> zoredache: definitely not, hand-crafted by a russian programmer
[23:59] <TheSheep> zoredache: try it, you will want no other