| sistpoty | Riddell: sorry for getting your name wrong in my mail just sent... :( | 00:00 |
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| JontheEchidna | Riddell: I was referred here from kubuntu-kde4. I would like to see the removal of systemsettings from the "Settings" submenu of the KDE4 menu widgets reverted. | 00:01 |
| JontheEchidna | The rational being that users of the Traditional menu don't have the "Computer" tab that Kickoff has. | 00:02 |
| JontheEchidna | [18:55:31] <JontheEchidna> Was this on purpose or should I file a bug? | 00:02 |
| JontheEchidna | [18:57:44] <Nightrose> I think this was done on purpose since it is still present under computer | 00:02 |
| JontheEchidna | [18:57:56] <Nightrose> however I don't really like it either | 00:02 |
| JontheEchidna | [18:57:59] <JontheEchidna> There is no computer tab in the traditional menu | 00:02 |
| Riddell | that menu should be fixed then | 00:02 |
| Nightrose | for the logs: I don't like it because systemsettings don't turn up when I search for them in the searchbar in kickoff | 00:03 |
| JontheEchidna | Oh hey, you're right. It doesn't. | 00:03 |
| Nightrose | (that is quite annoying for me) | 00:04 |
| Nightrose | cause I use that search a lot | 00:04 |
| JontheEchidna | Even though I prefer the Traditional Menu to Kickoff, I must say that the search feature is one of the most compelling features of Kickoff | 00:05 |
| jjesse_ | evening :) | 02:26 |
| DaSkreech | Hello mate | 02:28 |
| jjesse_ | hello DaSkreech | 02:32 |
| DaSkreech | How are you? | 02:32 |
| jjesse_ | doing well, getting ready for vacation next week | 02:33 |
| DaSkreech | sounds good | 02:33 |
| === jjesse_ is now known as jjesse | ||
| jjesse | don't you hate projects youve been working so long on you don't want to get started back on? | 02:48 |
| * Hobbsee uses the Long Pointy Stick of DOOM!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!™ on jjesse to motivate him | 02:49 | |
| jjesse | grin thanks Hobbsee | 02:49 |
| nixternal | oh my body hurts | 03:30 |
| DaSkreech | nixternal: Told you not to eat all the food | 03:34 |
| nixternal | I didn't dude. Bruce Perens ate all of the food | 03:35 |
| nixternal | that guy never stops eating | 03:35 |
| crimsun | he got there before you did? | 03:35 |
| nixternal | I had breakfast with him...he eats faster than he talks | 03:36 |
| nixternal | and when he talks, there is no telling where it is going | 03:36 |
| crimsun | he sounds like one of my cats | 03:36 |
| nixternal | we went from Ubuntu and how great it is to Regan and Star Wars, China, something about Rye | 03:36 |
| nixternal | and I can't remember what else | 03:36 |
| nixternal | he has a few screws loose | 03:37 |
| crimsun | mm, konsole-kde4 is nicer than gnome-terminal [no surprise there] | 03:37 |
| nixternal | omg...the Open Source panel, had a Microsoft representative on it | 03:37 |
| nixternal | Maddog and Bruce ate that poor guy up | 03:37 |
| nixternal | and Bottomely even got in a few jabs | 03:37 |
| DaSkreech | bottomely? | 03:38 |
| DaSkreech | `What did they do? | 03:38 |
| jjesse | wow that canonical training program branch is super huge, still trying to branch | 03:49 |
| DaSkreech | How many people does canonical employ ? | 03:50 |
| jjesse | DaSkreech: no clue | 03:50 |
| jjesse | its the official ubuntu training branch is what i'm working on | 03:50 |
| * jjesse isn't an employee | 03:50 | |
| DaSkreech | `A fie on my Grandma!! She told me to be an actor! | 04:25 |
| coreymon77 | :P | 04:25 |
| DaSkreech | `Oooh You look ljust like clark gable | 04:27 |
| arsctesk | http://board.gulli.com/ | 06:16 |
| === hunger_t is now known as hunger | ||
| === hunger_t is now known as hunger | ||
| apachelogger | nixternal: you cannot zoom in | 09:59 |
| apachelogger | only out | 09:59 |
| apachelogger | and that will resize the toolbox | 09:59 |
| apachelogger | so if you zoom out you get lost if you don't have a very precise mouse | 09:59 |
| apachelogger | also | 09:59 |
| apachelogger | you can _remove_ vital plasmoids | 10:00 |
| apachelogger | like the whole bottom bar | 10:00 |
| apachelogger | in fact, in a stock setup that is all you can do | 10:00 |
| apachelogger | break you desktop in the easiest ways possible | 10:00 |
| apachelogger | Riddell: slow, I think the only things that are missing right now are the kross dependencies on python and ruby | 10:01 |
| * apachelogger is quite busy with school | 10:01 | |
| Nightrose | morning :) | 11:00 |
| Serega | Nightrose: hi! | 11:06 |
| Nightrose | hey :) | 11:06 |
| Hobbsee | so, should i stay part of kubuntu members? | 11:43 |
| * Nightrose votes yes | 11:46 | |
| Hobbsee | neat, i can choose my own subscription date | 11:49 |
| claydoh | 'morning folks! | 11:56 |
| Nightrose | heya | 11:58 |
| Serega | Nightrose: ok, thanks. should I be present at the meeting? | 14:07 |
| Nightrose | yes | 14:07 |
| Nightrose | you will be asked some questions | 14:07 |
| * Serega said 'f..ck' about netsplit :) | 14:07 | |
| Nightrose | ;-) | 14:07 |
| Nightrose | if you can't make it it might be possible to do it via email | 14:07 |
| Nightrose | or just wait for the next meeting | 14:07 |
| Nightrose | if you want to see how it usually works have a look at the log of the last meeting | 14:08 |
| Serega | Nightrose: when will be the next? | 14:08 |
| Nightrose | there were two going for membership | 14:08 |
| Nightrose | not sure | 14:08 |
| Nightrose | Jucato: do you know? | 14:08 |
| Jucato | nope.. I kinda lost track of meetings since January... | 14:08 |
| Jucato | there was a nasty trend of being on the times when I had real life :( | 14:09 |
| Nightrose | ;-) | 14:09 |
| * Nightrose hugs Jucato | 14:09 | |
| Jucato | thanks :) | 14:09 |
| Nightrose | Serega: just wait - it will be announced in the topic | 14:10 |
| * ryanakca can't win with meetings... either a) they're at 5AM, or b) they're on a Wednesday while I'm at band practice... | 14:10 | |
| Jucato | ooh band :) | 14:10 |
| Serega | kool | 14:10 |
| Nightrose | wohooo netsplits should be over now accoding to cristel \o/ | 14:10 |
| ryanakca | well, pipe band :) | 14:10 |
| Jucato | riiiight.... over now... | 14:11 |
| Jucato | we'll see :) | 14:11 |
| * Serega has bought electric guitar two weeks ago | 14:11 | |
| ryanakca | hurra :) | 14:11 |
| Nightrose | ;-) | 14:11 |
| Nightrose | Serega: can you play it? or are you taking lessons? | 14:11 |
| * Nightrose played accordeon and keyboard way back then ;-) | 14:12 | |
| Jucato | uh oh... | 14:12 |
| Serega | Serega: I have much exp on accoustic one, so I hope to master this new guitar by myself :) | 14:12 |
| Nightrose | cool | 14:12 |
| Jucato | now you reminded me that it will almost be 1 year since I got a violin... and I can't even play "Twinkle, Twinkle Little Star" on it... | 14:12 |
| Serega | I play keyboards too! | 14:13 |
| Jucato | Serega: talking to ourself now, are we? :) | 14:13 |
| * Jucato can play basic keyboards/piano | 14:13 | |
| Serega | PC 104 key is preferred | 14:13 |
| ryanakca | lol | 14:13 |
| Nightrose | ;-) | 14:13 |
| Serega | Jucato: :) | 14:14 |
| Serega | Jucato: ah... I just realize what you was talking about :))) | 14:17 |
| Jucato | lol! 5 minutes! :) | 14:18 |
| Serega | long ping | 14:18 |
| Jucato | :D | 14:18 |
| Serega | That msg was for Nightrose? of course | 14:18 |
| Serega | *delete '?' | 14:18 |
| Nightrose | ;-) | 14:18 |
| Nightrose | yea | 14:18 |
| Nightrose | got it | 14:18 |
| Jucato | obviously :) | 14:19 |
| Jucato | we're not talking to ryanakca anyway :) | 14:19 |
| * Jucato runs and hides | 14:19 | |
| Serega | why? O.o :) | 14:19 |
| ryanakca | Serega: beyond me ;) | 14:19 |
| Jucato | why? because there's no one else :) | 14:20 |
| * Jucato keeps quiet now... | 14:20 | |
| jtate | Hey everyone, I'm Joseph Tate, one of the primary developers of Foresight's KDE edition. I'm here to pick your brains mostly. :) | 14:36 |
| CheGuevara | hi | 14:37 |
| jtate | I mainly want a forum where I can confirm bugs to be upstream or not before I go bug kde devs. | 14:37 |
| jtate | but info on how you solve issues like Network Manager, and Pulse Audio/ConsoleKit integration would be nice too. | 14:38 |
| nosrednaekim | isn't there a cross-distro KDE mailing list for that sort of stuff? | 14:38 |
| nosrednaekim | not thatyou aren't welcome or anything ;) | 14:38 |
| jtate | Well, Nightrose said that this was kind of a congregating place | 14:38 |
| jtate | but yes, I'll be trying to liven up kde-packagers too. | 14:39 |
| Nightrose | hey jtate :) | 14:39 |
| Nightrose | welcome | 14:39 |
| jtate | Nightrose: thanks | 14:40 |
| jtate | I see nixternal is here too. | 14:40 |
| jtate | and crimsun? I haven't chatted with you in ages. | 14:40 |
| Nightrose | jtate: FYI there is also #kubuntu-testers | 14:41 |
| Nightrose | where you can ask for stuff to be tested/confirmed | 14:41 |
| jtate | cool | 14:41 |
| * jtate may need to start work on adv_adv_windowlist.pl for irssi | 14:42 | |
| Nightrose | hehe | 14:42 |
| jtate | One of our biggest problems right now is getting Flash to work in konqueror. Have you solved this problem already? | 14:51 |
| CheGuevara | in kde 3? | 14:52 |
| jtate | no, kde4 | 14:52 |
| jtate | kde3 just worked | 14:52 |
| jtate | admittedly I'm trying to get 64 bit konq to interface with 32 bit flash... | 14:52 |
| CheGuevara | heh | 14:53 |
| CheGuevara | thought u were still talking about the xembed issue | 14:53 |
| jtate | Seems to work Ok in Firefox... | 14:53 |
| CheGuevara | 64 bit firefox? | 14:54 |
| jtate | yes | 14:54 |
| jtate | but that took significant engineering by another Foresight dev. | 14:54 |
| jtate | nspluginwrapper is supposed to support that. | 14:55 |
| CheGuevara | yep | 14:56 |
| CheGuevara | don't have a x64 machine to test this on | 15:01 |
| jtate | 32 bit konq with flash work ok? | 15:01 |
| CheGuevara | let me check, i still prefer ff to konq | 15:02 |
| nosrednaekim | jtate: it magically worked here with amd64 kde3 konqueror | 15:02 |
| CheGuevara | kde 4 konq is the questions :P | 15:02 |
| CheGuevara | *question | 15:02 |
| nosrednaekim | oh :P | 15:02 |
| CheGuevara | yeah jtate 32 bit konq 4 works fine with flash | 15:03 |
| jtate | Ok, we'll probably just have to extend the engineering from firefox over. I'll let you know what I figure out. | 15:04 |
| CheGuevara | if kde4's konq support xembed now (am not sure), it should work fine with latest nspluginwrapper | 15:05 |
| ryanakca | jtate: if ever you get an adv_adv_windowlist.pl done, let me know :) | 15:06 |
| jtate | ryanakca: will do | 15:08 |
| nixternal_ | jtate: what are you doing in here spying? :p | 15:35 |
| jtate | nixternal_: just brain picking. CheGuevara and nosrednaekim have been very helpful. | 15:36 |
| Jucato | (you could try picking nixternal_'s nose...) | 15:38 |
| Jucato | (btw he seems to have grown a tail) | 15:38 |
| Nightrose | oO | 15:39 |
| Nightrose | nixternal_: how was your talk? | 15:39 |
| Nightrose | went up there in a gnome shirt? *g* | 15:39 |
| mhb | apachelogger: heh, I have just read the Amarok 2.0 feature list, and you don't want to know what I'm thinking about it :o) | 15:57 |
| mhb | apachelogger: (remember our kickoff conversation to get the idea) | 15:58 |
| mhb | the selling point of Amarok 1 for me was no-nonsense approach to music, it was just a big list of tracks... now with all the SVG and plasma and integration with internet shops it is going to eat all the RAM just so I can play music... | 16:01 |
| mhb | playing music != looking at some covers flyby 3D style | 16:02 |
| Nightrose | mhb: you can disable about everything of that | 16:02 |
| Nightrose | and no 3d yet | 16:02 |
| Nightrose | and if it is going to come you can disable it as well | 16:02 |
| mhb | Nightrose: I'm sure you feature creep fans are going for it | 16:02 |
| Nightrose | please... | 16:02 |
| mhb | just an observation | 16:03 |
| Nightrose | yes it is a SoC proposal | 16:03 |
| Nightrose | but that doesn't mean that: | 16:03 |
| Nightrose | a) it is going to happen | 16:03 |
| Nightrose | and b) that you will need to use it | 16:03 |
| Nightrose | and c) no bling without features | 16:03 |
| mhb | I'm going to wait for the numbers | 16:03 |
| Nightrose | you can be sure about these 3 things | 16:03 |
| mhb | if Amarok 2 eats more ram than Amarok 1, it's going out the door :o) | 16:04 |
| Nightrose | noone can stop you... | 16:04 |
| Nightrose | and noone forces you to use 2 | 16:04 |
| mhb | so we're keeping amarok 1 in kubuntu indefinitely? Yay! | 16:04 |
| mhb | no, you will force me by trying to force it into kubuntu by default | 16:05 |
| Nightrose | no idea - but worse come to worse you can compile it | 16:05 |
| Nightrose | and please let's talk about this once Amarok 2 is released | 16:05 |
| Nightrose | and you gave it a try | 16:05 |
| mhb | sure | 16:06 |
| Nightrose | and another thing you have to keep in mind: | 16:07 |
| Nightrose | you need to be inovative | 16:07 |
| Nightrose | otherwise you will be left behind | 16:07 |
| mhb | that's BS, frankly | 16:07 |
| Nightrose | and this is exactly ehat we are tring to do with amarok 2 | 16:07 |
| Nightrose | if we will succeed is another thing | 16:07 |
| Nightrose | *what | 16:07 |
| mhb | you do not have to be "innovative", after all, you just have to label a product like this. Vista was not innovative in many ways, yet every other word in the brochures was "innovative". | 16:08 |
| Nightrose | ... | 16:08 |
| mhb | Nightrose: "rm" is still with us and I haven't heard about "innovating it" | 16:09 |
| * Nightrose thinks that is a completely different thing | 16:10 | |
| mhb | Nightrose: irssi also does not innovate much, no radical new UI with SVGs and plasmoids, and I'm still using it | 16:11 |
| mhb | Nightrose: because it works well and fast | 16:11 |
| Nightrose | and once quassel is ready irssi will have a though competitor | 16:11 |
| Nightrose | just not there yet... | 16:12 |
| snowolf | well, it's been around for a long time irssi | 16:12 |
| Nightrose | that is true | 16:12 |
| Nightrose | and I am not saying it will vanish | 16:12 |
| Nightrose | but competition will be tough | 16:12 |
| mhb | Nightrose: I'm saying that it seems to me that Amarok 2 is heading to become Mozilla (the product) | 16:13 |
| mhb | everything included | 16:13 |
| Nightrose | I don't think we are | 16:13 |
| mhb | but (almost) nobody usue it | 16:13 |
| mhb | uses | 16:13 |
| Nightrose | right now we are trying a lot of things | 16:13 |
| Nightrose | not everything will make it into the final version | 16:14 |
| Nightrose | or will be enabled by default | 16:14 |
| mhb | like I said, you trying many things implies feature creep. No offense. | 16:14 |
| Nightrose | and we have always had very sane defaults I think | 16:14 |
| Nightrose | you should trust us a little ;-) | 16:14 |
| mhb | get Donald Knuth as a lead feature planner and I'll trust you :o) | 16:15 |
| * mhb trusts bright scientists, open source software developers less so | 16:16 | |
| === LjL-Temp is now known as LjL | ||
| Nightrose | hehe | 16:17 |
| mhb | or ast, he is trying to fight feature creep a lot these days | 16:17 |
| Nightrose | I can asure you we have a few people in the team who really know what they are doing concerning this | 16:17 |
| mhb | unfortunately, your planned features suggest otherwise | 16:17 |
| mhb | they want all that shiny nonsense in | 16:18 |
| mhb | plasma, SVG UI and so on | 16:18 |
| mhb | but I doubt that's what makes the majority of users, techical or not, happy | 16:18 |
| Nightrose | well plasma will be awesome exactly because you might be able to design your own context view | 16:19 |
| Nightrose | so have only the stuff there you really care about | 16:19 |
| Nightrose | so less clutter in the end | 16:19 |
| mhb | no, plasma will be horrid because it'll just consume resources and most of the users won't design any such thing anyway | 16:19 |
| Nightrose | and svgs are awesome because it perfectly blends in with your desktop | 16:19 |
| mhb | but go for it, integrate as much as you need | 16:19 |
| mhb | and more | 16:19 |
| ryanakca | mhb: you could always fork Amarok, take an axe to it and get rid of the feature creep if you really wanted to :) | 16:19 |
| Nightrose | mhb: did you try it yet wrt plasma's memory usage? | 16:20 |
| * Hobbsee thought that was minirok. | 16:20 | |
| Nightrose | and sure a lot of people will not write their own plasmoids | 16:20 |
| mhb | ryanakca: or, someone else would (will, I'm sure) do it and I'll just use my superpowers to get rid of that bloated amarok in kubuntu | 16:20 |
| Nightrose | but that is not the point | 16:20 |
| Nightrose | they can use others | 16:20 |
| Nightrose | (others plasmoids that is) | 16:21 |
| mhb | of course, I'm assuming it will get bloated, which might not be the point, as Nightrose says | 16:21 |
| === neversfelde_ is now known as neversfelde | ||
| mhb | it may seem likely to me, but that's just speculation | 16:21 |
| Nightrose | Hobbsee: minirok will have to wait until after akademy it seems | 16:23 |
| mhb | Nightrose: I'm also guessing you will fail to get much OS X and Windows market share... because how big would a standalone Amarok build be, when you only have a clean XP system ready? | 16:23 |
| Nightrose | Stecchino is _very_ busy with work and preperation for akademy | 16:23 |
| mhb | 60MBs? more? | 16:23 |
| mhb | you have to get all of qt, kdelibs, then plasmoids, and more | 16:24 |
| mhb | that's not 30KBs | 16:24 |
| Nightrose | mhb: that is a problem we are working on with the kde on windows guys | 16:24 |
| Nightrose | and we will solve it eventually | 16:24 |
| Nightrose | we already have some ideas | 16:24 |
| mhb | well, unless you remove the bloat... :o) | 16:24 |
| Nightrose | ... | 16:24 |
| * Nightrose cuddles mhb | 16:25 | |
| mhb | people seem to like software that has <10MBs in size | 16:25 |
| Nightrose | everything will be fine in the end ;-) | 16:25 |
| crimsun | I would just like to mention that the split modes in konsole-kde4 rock arse. That is all. | 16:25 |
| Nightrose | hehe | 16:25 |
| mhb | hmm, I still like my console app which does not need several MBs of libs just to load | 16:26 |
| mhb | (urxvt) | 16:26 |
| mhb | then again, I'm disappointed with a lot of FLOSS software these days | 16:26 |
| mhb | Firefox, Pidgin, Amarok1, k3b, kaffeine I like. | 16:27 |
| mhb | plasma, KDE4, GNOME I don't. | 16:28 |
| Nightrose | (/me is in love with kde 4's present windows effect) | 16:28 |
| mhb | wake me up when it won't take several seconds on a C2D CPU just to display the background :o) | 16:29 |
| mhb | meaning the splash screen. Whatever needs a splash screen is bloated, usually. | 16:30 |
| mhb | hmm, minirok looks interesting | 16:31 |
| mhb | Nightrose: who did you say develop it? Stecchino? | 16:36 |
| Nightrose | yes | 16:36 |
| mhb | how do you spell it, is he on IRC perchance? | 16:38 |
| Nightrose | [17:38] [Whois] Stecchino is n=bart@amarok/developer/Stecchino (Bart Cerneels) | 16:39 |
| mhb | ah, right... I was whoising the wrong server, sorry | 16:39 |
| Nightrose | ;-) | 16:39 |
| ryanakca | woah... http://ryanak.ca/~ryan/gnomeandkde4.png ... I was running gnome on vt7 a few days ago, logged out... then I decided to start KDE4 on vt7... and it looks like I have a wierd mixture of KDE4 and GNOME | 18:54 |
| ryanakca | http://ryanak.ca/~ryan/gnomeandkde5.png ... just happens on one virtual desktop/workspace though... | 18:58 |
| DrakeJustice | wut's up with b43? made me go to ndis... that def. shouldn't happen in final... | 19:04 |
| DrakeJustice | good work on the compiz integration tho... | 19:04 |
| DrakeJustice | i appreciate you guys and i'd be here dev'in too if i had nuf $$, back to work, sry 4 trollin' | 19:05 |
| mhb | ryanakca: I can't figure out how can you survive with just one konsole | 19:18 |
| mhb | ryanakca: of course, if I were picky I'd say that a console over the whole screen creates a bad practice when hacking | 19:19 |
| mhb | ryanakca: a nice coder respects the 80 characters | 19:19 |
| mhb | ryanakca: also shorter lines make the code a lot more readable | 19:19 |
| mhb | ryanakca: I'm a wise-guy a lot these days, ain't I? :o) sorry | 19:20 |
| _Sime_ | grrrr crashy plasma | 20:18 |
| _Sime_ | wow that killed all my kde4 apps.... | 20:19 |
| fdoving | man, the taglist plugin to vim is so nice. :) | 20:20 |
| ryanakca | mhb: one console, 10 tabs. | 20:24 |
| yuriy | and a screen | 20:26 |
| ryanakca | oh, yes, and then you have screen... figure that each tab has a screen with up to three subscreens/windowns :) | 20:26 |
| ryanakca | Who said you need more than one konsole window? :P | 20:27 |
| fdoving | i need more than one :) | 20:27 |
| fdoving | to utilize the kwin features. those nice present windows and present desktops features :) | 20:28 |
| ryanakca | lol, don't let mhb hear you say that :) | 20:28 |
| * yuriy isn't a fan of present windows | 20:31 | |
| fdoving | i am. | 20:31 |
| fdoving | now that it have nice search features. | 20:32 |
| fdoving | type-ahead-search-thing. | 20:32 |
| ryanakca | hmm... how do you use that? | 20:32 |
| * ryanakca thinks he has pretty much every KWin feature enabled... mouse to top left/right? | 20:32 | |
| fdoving | ctrl-f10 | 20:33 |
| fdoving | and start typing for example 'konq' | 20:33 |
| fdoving | if you have a konq open. | 20:33 |
| ryanakca | heh. Interesting | 20:33 |
| fdoving | yep, pretty nice. | 20:33 |
| ryanakca | Mind you, I rarely have enough windows open on the desktop that I can't quickly cycle through them with alt-tab | 20:33 |
| fdoving | i use f10, without ctrl to make it quicker | 20:34 |
| fdoving | that is just because you find it messy and you can't manage them all at once. with this nice feature and 2Gigs of ram i'm super-happy :) | 20:34 |
| ryanakca | lol | 20:35 |
| * ryanakca only has 512mb :) | 20:35 | |
| fdoving | I do agree though, that 10+ windows gets messy without this feature because you have a hard time finding the correct window. | 20:35 |
| fdoving | a special nice feature is that it searches window titles, so webpage-titles does work. | 20:35 |
| yuriy | 512? ouch. | 20:36 |
| * yuriy throws mhb a bone | 20:36 | |
| fdoving | so finding the konq with for example kubuntu.org is quick. | 20:36 |
| fdoving | ryanakca: what type of ram do you use? - i have some left over laptop ram. ddr2-dimm pc5300. | 20:37 |
| yuriy | heh i have a gig of that lying around as well | 20:38 |
| ryanakca | fdoving: Umm... just a sec, I'll check. I think its only PC3200 or something of the sort | 20:38 |
| yuriy | gah more kernel updates | 20:38 |
| * yuriy isn't rebooting his desktop again until hardy is released unless n-m forces him too again | 20:39 | |
| ryanakca | PC3200 DDR 400MHz :) | 20:39 |
| fdoving | ok, can't use the ddr2-dimm then. :| | 20:39 |
| * ryanakca wishes there was a shortcut to change the opacity of your window | 20:39 | |
| ryanakca | nope :) | 20:39 |
| yuriy | set one | 20:39 |
| fdoving | ryanakca: i use the mousewheel/touchpad scroll on the window decoration for that. | 20:40 |
| yuriy | oh yeah that isn't set to anything by default on kde4 | 20:40 |
| nareshov | move your cursor to the top-left corner | 20:40 |
| fdoving | or configure it in system settings -> window behavior -> window behavior -> titlebar actions -> titlebar wheel event | 20:41 |
| jjesse | taxes suck | 20:42 |
| fdoving | yep. | 20:42 |
| * ryanakca would like to thank icecc for making his server compile instead of his desktop :) | 20:44 | |
| fdoving | yeah, icecc is so nice. | 20:44 |
| * ryanakca is rebuilding KDE4 ... takes half the time :) | 20:44 | |
| * ryanakca wonders if you could use it for package building... | 20:44 | |
| fdoving | sure. | 20:46 |
| fdoving | do you use pbuilder? | 20:47 |
| fdoving | should be possible to install it in the build-chroot and save it. | 20:47 |
| ryanakca | fdoving: sbuild/schroot... but yeah | 20:50 |
| Riddell | hi Serega, sorry the meeting didn't happen | 20:52 |
| === kitterma is now known as ScottK2 | ||
| Serega | Riddell: hi Jonathan, it's ok | 20:53 |
| Serega | does anybody use any IDE for python? | 20:53 |
| ScottK2 | awen_: How do the Guidance changes in your PPA look for being uploaded? | 20:54 |
| mhb | ryanakca: if one large konsole suits you, so be it ... just remember to hack in 80 char lines | 20:54 |
| ryanakca | Serega: vim :) | 20:54 |
| ScottK2 | Serega: I don't, but I do like the highlighting for Python in kate. | 20:54 |
| ryanakca | mhb: but 80 char lines are so dull... especially when you're in python and 16-20 of those chars are spaces to indent. :D | 20:55 |
| awen_ | ScottK2: i haven't received any confirmation that they work... but i'm pretty confident, that they actually do solve the problem, so please include them | 20:55 |
| ScottK2 | Serega: Both eric and spe are up to date in Hardy. The spe developer is an Ubuntu user and somewhat active on #ubuntu-motu. | 20:55 |
| ScottK2 | awen_: | 20:55 |
| mhb | ryanakca: don't tell me... | 20:55 |
| ScottK2 | awen_: OK. Thanks. | 20:55 |
| mhb | ryanakca: code practice is nothing to you, is it? :o) | 20:55 |
| awen_ | ScottK2: did you see, that we received a patch for making it survive hal/dbus restarts ... do you include that one also? | 20:56 |
| ScottK2 | awen_: I'm having trouble right now where my brightness doesn't change when I plug/unplug power. Is that something you fixed? | 20:56 |
| ScottK2 | awen_: I did and I plan to. | 20:56 |
| ryanakca | mhb: lol, well, my vt isn't even 80 chars wide :( | 20:56 |
| Serega | ryanakca: yep, I already use vim, but it is so boring to search method names and etc manually | 20:57 |
| ryanakca | Serega: iirc, there's a KDevelop for Scripting languages | 20:57 |
| Serega | ScottK2: thanks. | 20:57 |
| fdoving | Serega: get taglist plugin | 20:57 |
| Serega | fdoving: ouw... did heard about that, thank you | 20:58 |
| mhb | ryanakca: that's because of the silly font in Konsole | 20:58 |
| awen_ | ScottK2: no, i didn't look at brightness change on plug/unplug events ... they work fine for me | 20:58 |
| fdoving | Serega: it's nice, just recently started to use it. shot: http://frode.kde.no/misc/vim-taglist.png | 20:59 |
| ScottK2 | So now it's working ... | 20:59 |
| ScottK2 | Nevermind. | 20:59 |
| ScottK2 | awen_: It's more complicated it seems. Give me a moment to look at it. | 20:59 |
| ryanakca | mhb: no, ctrl-alt-f[1-6] | 20:59 |
| mhb | ryanakca: that should be exactly 80x25 | 21:00 |
| Serega | fdoving: awesome!!! exactly what miss with vim! | 21:00 |
| fdoving | Serega: and you know how to use tabs and split windows, right? :) | 21:00 |
| Serega | I hope it works with python | 21:00 |
| awen_ | ScottK2: yeah... i see, there is something strange here too | 21:00 |
| ScottK2 | awen_: It's odd. Sometimes after I plug back in brightness restores for about a second and then goes dim again. | 21:01 |
| Serega | fdoving: of course :) | 21:01 |
| fdoving | Serega: then you're set :) | 21:01 |
| Serega | fdoving: I like vim very much | 21:01 |
| fdoving | me too. | 21:01 |
| mhb | we all love vim | 21:01 |
| Serega | maybe I miss something else very cosy? :) | 21:02 |
| mhb | it rocks, unlike most k*s and g*s :o) | 21:02 |
| awen_ | ScottK2: i can't reproduce exectly that here ... but i remember seeing something in the code, that might be part of the cause, i'll try to make a patch and see, if it changes anything | 21:02 |
| fdoving | Serega: the kde-devel.vim script, but that's only usefull if you do kde and c++. | 21:02 |
| ScottK2 | awen_: Sounds good. | 21:03 |
| Serega | btw, guys, KDevelop assistant looks broken, it's index is full but no pages found. Does anybody use it? | 21:04 |
| Serega | qt-doc & friends are installed | 21:04 |
| jjesse | nixternal_: have you looked at the kubuntu-docs-intrepid to clean up like mdke did w/ ubuntu-docs for intrepid? | 22:12 |
| awen_ | ScottK2: I've made a patch that will solve the brightness problem in some cases ... but after some testing i can see, that at least in my case, it seems like hal is getting confused about the brightness settings when i plug/unplug to many times | 22:56 |
| ScottK2 | That sounds like progress. | 22:57 |
| ScottK2 | Progress is good. | 22:57 |
| ScottK2 | awen_: I'd say let's go for it. | 22:57 |
| awen_ | ScottK2: yeah ... we can't really do much more in guidance, and I really don't want to touch hal :) | 22:58 |
| * ScottK2 neither. | 22:58 | |
| awen_ | ScottK2: the ~ppa2 contains both the gamma and the brightness fix | 22:58 |
| ScottK2 | awen_: OK. Would you please link me. | 22:59 |
| awen_ | https://launchpad.net/~andreas-wenning/+archive ... I'll just make you a real debdiff, two mins | 23:00 |
| ScottK2 | OK. Thanks. | 23:01 |
| ScottK2 | awen_: Would you apply smarter's patch too. | 23:01 |
| ScottK2 | awen_: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/kde-guidance/+bug/123812 | 23:01 |
| ubotu | Launchpad bug 123812 in kde-guidance "RFE: powermanager should handle dbus, hald restarts" [Wishlist,Confirmed] | 23:01 |
| awen_ | ScottK2: I'll do | 23:02 |
| ScottK2 | Thanks | 23:02 |
| daSkreech | is there a jasper command line executable? | 23:05 |
| awen_ | ScottK2: i keep getting "patch: **** unexpected end of file in patch" when trying to apply the debdiff ... any better way than "patch -p1 < [patchname]" to apply a debdiff | 23:10 |
| ScottK2 | That's how I usually do it. | 23:10 |
| ScottK2 | Debdiffs I usually use -p0 | 23:11 |
| awen_ | ScottK2: got it ... it was reversed :) | 23:12 |
| ScottK2 | Ah. | 23:12 |
| ScottK2 | patch/unpatch, it's all the same in the end ... | 23:13 |
| awen_ | ScottK2: no... hmm | 23:13 |
| ScottK2 | Not? | 23:14 |
| awen_ | no, just me misreading the error messages.. it jus keeps complaining | 23:15 |
| xRaich[o]2x | Someone here to help me out with a PyQt4 problem? | 23:15 |
| awen_ | manually extracted the patch... that worked better | 23:26 |
| awen_ | ScottK2: it handles hal restarts very well ... but dbus restarts does have some ill-effects | 23:30 |
| awen_ | ScottK2: it handles hal restarts very well ... but dbus restarts does have some ill-effects | 23:32 |
| awen_ | (those dbus restarts also kills your wireless connection) | 23:33 |
| awen_ | ScottK2: should we remove the dbus recovery code to "mark" that: something is wrong, please restart us, instead of showing the correct icon but having a lot of things not working ... but of course still keep the hal recovery code | 23:44 |
| ScottK2 | Does the dbus restart code make things better or worse? | 23:45 |
| awen_ | it makes the icon + battery + cpu status show correctly ... but a lot of other stuff fails, but nothing visual indicates that something is wrong to the user | 23:46 |
| awen_ | ScottK2: so it's a choice between failing completely (hopefully indicating, please restart me to the user) ... or failing partly (but the user doesn't know that anything is wrong) | 23:49 |
| ScottK2 | Are the stats accurate? | 23:58 |
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