[00:00] <erle-> Turski, it is
[00:00] <erle-> every core 2 chip is
[00:00] <Turski> oh, lol
[00:00] <dotech> you can run 32-bit on it of course, but 64-bit would be 8-12% faster if you have <=4gb of ram
[00:00] <dotech> even better if you have > 4gb
[00:00] <erle-> thats the major difference between core duo and core 2 duo
[00:00] <Turski> i have always thought that it's 32-bit
[00:00] <Turski> and i have c2d too :D
[00:00] <dotech> c2q here
[00:00] <erle-> Turski, check /proc/cpuinfo
[00:00] <dotech> it was on sale :)
[00:01] <erle-> you will find a flag "lm" for long mode
[00:01] <pvandewyngaerde> i have 64 bit and 4 GiB of RAM
[00:01] <larson9999> i got this vsmile handheld and a gba pre backlit.  i should be able to merge those and have backlight.
[00:01] <dotech> erle-, ill try manually writing the ext3 fs
[00:01] <Thib_> anybody?
[00:02] <Thib_> surely the device manager hasn't disappeared
[00:02] <Turski> erle-: yeh, it's there
[00:02] <pvandewyngaerde> flags           : fpu vme de pse tsc msr pae mce cx8 apic sep mtrr pge mca cmov pat pse36 clflush mmx fxsr sse sse2 syscall nx mmxext lm 3dnowext 3dnow rep_good
[00:02] <Thib_> I'm just disoriented from 7.10 to 8.04
[00:02] <Turski> flags           : fpu vme de pse tsc msr pae mce cx8 apic sep mtrr pge mca cmov pat pse36 clflush dts acpi mmx fxsr sse sse2 ss ht tm pbe nx lm constant_tsc arch_perfmon pebs bts pni monitor ds_cpl vmx smx est tm2 ssse3 cx16 xtpr lahf_lm
[00:03] <erle64-> my isp is ...
[00:03] <erle64-> no stable connection today..
[00:03] <larson9999> this old pc is so fast, i can't imagine what i'd do with IP-35 pro motherboard, intel core 2 quad, 8gb memory, using 64-bit
[00:04] <erle64-> larson9999, media encoding
[00:04] <erle64-> encryption
[00:04] <erle64-> zipping
[00:04] <dotech> hahah
[00:04] <erle64-> ...
[00:04] <erle64-> :D
[00:04] <dotech> thats why i got it, sick of my unit tests taking 30 seconds
[00:04] <larson9999> erle64-, well, i do that already.
[00:04] <dotech> i want them done in milliseconds
[00:04] <larson9999> not big on encrypting though
[00:05] <dotech> the cpu is only 18C right now too, i should be able to overclock it to 3.6ghz
[00:05] <erle64-> my core2 duo 2 ghz laptop cpu is 5 times faster than my pentium 4 desktop 3.4 ghz
[00:05] <dotech> its 2.4ghz stock
[00:05] <erle64-> when encoding dvd-ripped video data
[00:05] <larson9999> maybe i'm just too slow
[00:05] <Thib_> hal-device-manager
[00:05] <Thib_> oh, hmm, apparently it's not on 8.04
[00:05] <Thib_> there is only hal-device.
[00:06] <erle64-> dotech, the fs tools if hardy are from march 13th
[00:06] <erle64-> maybe there is a bug in mke2fs
[00:07] <larson9999> says i got to reboot
[00:08] <erle64-> dotech, are you shure that you can overclock that much?
[00:08] <Daisuke-Ido> erle-, let him blow it up :)
[00:08] <erle64-> Daisuke-Ido, i don't think that it starts burning
[00:09] <erle64-> but it will not work correct
[00:09] <Thib_> so, the idea is that if the restricted hardware dialog tells me that the wireless LAN driver is "enabled" and "in use" then my wireless should work
[00:09] <Thib_> but I don't see it anywhere
[00:09] <clarezoe> anyone can help, urgent, I can't connect to internet any more
[00:09] <Thib_> *restricted drivers dialog
[00:10] <Thib_> only the wired interface appears in the network manager app, ifconfig and iwconfig
[00:10] <erle64-> what driver? what card?
[00:11] <dotech> haha sweeet
[00:11] <dotech> my headphone amp works in hardy
[00:11] <dotech> burrbrown dacs for the win
[00:11] <Jordan_U> clarezoe, Wired or Wireless?
[00:12] <clarezoe> wired
[00:13] <Jordan_U> clarezoe, Can you do tests in Ubuntu without disconnecting from this channel?
[00:13] <clarezoe> I started to solve the wireless problem, now wired doens't work either
[00:13] <clarezoe> Jordan_U yes
[00:14] <erle64-> kernel update coming in... :D
[00:14] <dotech> damn the guided partitioning makes my swap 10GB!
[00:14] <Thib_> Atheros something...
[00:14] <x1250> lol
[00:14] <clarezoe> I'm using another computer, but maybe it's hard to copy and past the testing output
[00:14] <Jordan_U> clarezoe, What happens when you run "sudo ifconfig eth0 && sudo dhclient eth0" ?
[00:14] <Thib_> I'm not sure which because it doesn't appear anywhere in dmesg or anywhere I can look at
[00:15] <erle64-> dotech, that really much
[00:15] <dotech> yea haha
[00:15] <erle64-> do you think that you will ever need a single byte of swap space? :D
[00:15] <dotech> nope
[00:16] <clarezoe> Jordan_U, there is already a pid file /var/run/dhclient.pkd with pid 134519072 internet system consortium DHCP client V3.0.6
[00:16] <dotech> unless i have a very bad memory leak :)
[00:16] <Thib_> the kind of wireless card is not listed on the specs page or in the specs section of the owner's manual :-|
[00:16] <Thib_> is there anywhere I can find out from? dmesg?
[00:16] <erle64-> i have 2 gigs of ram and i never have seen any swapping
[00:16] <clarezoe> Jordan_U, listening on LPF/eth0/00:08:2d:71:04
[00:17] <dotech> i do bring most systems to their knees but 8gb is more than i've ever had the chance to play with
[00:17] <dotech> this may very well be too much machine for me to handle
[00:17] <dotech> that being one of my favorite lines from Hackers the movie
[00:19] <dotech> of course, RISC is good being the best :)
[00:19] <erle64-> at my university i sometimes work on a solaris/sparc machine with 16 gigs - but there are most of the time 10 to 50 persons working at the same time on that machine
[00:19] <dotech> at work i run parallel builds on 32 CPUs, that takes it down to 0% idle
[00:19] <dotech> that will happen here too, but the memory is another story
[00:20] <dotech> my code is always low in complexity so the compiler has it easy
[00:20] <erle64-> the 4 cores will spend much time with waiting for the memory ;)
[00:20] <dotech> i could test it out with 10 layers of nested switch statements
[00:20] <dotech> see how the optimizer deals iwth that ;)
[00:20] <clarezoe> Jordan_U, thanks, I solved, I modified the dhclient.conf file that causes the problem
[00:21] <dotech> erle64-, i don't have /dev/sda1
[00:21] <erle64-> dotech, what compiler do you use? (what language)
[00:21] <dotech> yet when i do fdisk on /dev/sda it has 3 partitions
[00:22] <dotech> anything really, C primarily but i love it all
[00:22] <dotech> gcc for C
[00:22] <dotech> PPC assembly too but thats only useful for embedded network devices these days
[00:23] <erle64-> brb
[00:23] <Thib_> well
[00:23] <Thib_> it's really not working out
[00:23] <dotech> so im curious how i have partitions on sda but they don't have a corresponding device
[00:23] <dotech> thats new to me
[00:23] <Thib_> I cannot figure out by myself how to extract the list of my recognized hardware
[00:24] <dotech> lspci?
[00:24] <Jordan_U> Thib_, lshw ?
[00:24] <Thib_> on 7.10 I used to use hal-device-manager which is also in the Systems menu
[00:24] <boxybrown> I tried https://help.ubuntu.com/community/PostfixCompleteVirtualMailSystemHowto on hardy and i get "sending of password did not succeed. Mail server 192.168.1.120 responded: chdir Maildir failed"
[00:24] <Thib_> but it doesn't come with 8.04
[00:24] <boxybrown> im not sure if its because the guide isnt intended for hardy or what
[00:25] <Thib_> lshw ? I'll try that
[00:25] <dotech> /sys/block/sda/sda1, i guess things have moved around since i last used linux
[00:26] <dotech> rather, since i last upgraded
[00:26] <Thib_> is it supposed to take a long time to scan?
[00:26] <Thib_> it says PCI (sysfs) and then hangs.
[00:26] <Thib_> I mean, I don't suppose it is really hanging, but I mean, it isn't doing anything visible.
[00:27] <Jordan_U> Why does the hardware test say that it is impossible to detect the current resolution with fglrx? "The following resolution was detected for your display: impossible with fglrx Is this a good resolution for your display?
[00:28] <dotech> what block size does the installer try to make?
[00:28] <Jordan_U> Thib_, Takes a few seconds for me
[00:29] <Thib_> mine is still hanging
[00:29] <Thib_> 'top' says it's using 100% of one CPU
[00:29] <Thib_> (allegedly)
[00:32] <dotech> is there a way to see what the installer is actually doing?
[00:32] <dotech> some log i can tail perhaps?
[00:33] <Jordan_U> Thib_, It does warn that it should be run as root ( though I have never had problems before, and unless Device Manager is set ID it doesn't run as root either )
[00:33] <Thib_> I tried running it as me or as root
[00:34] <Thib_> any other ways of listing existing hardware?
[00:34] <Thib_> I don't think my wireless hardware is being seen at all
[00:34] <Thib_> but I don't know how to ... determine that
[00:35] <Thib_> I see the wired interface if I pay close attention to dmesg or lshal
[00:35] <Thib_> but I don't see any mention of the wireless one anywhere
[00:36] <Jordan_U> Thib_, lspci
[00:36] <Thib_> except in the restricted drivers dialog, which tells me it's enabled an Atheros driver for wireless LAN cards, so, clearly, some part of my system has detected a wireless card and found that it was Atheros...
[00:36] <Thib_> (even I couldn't find that from the specs)
[00:36] <Thib_> lspci ... let's see
[00:37] <Thib_> aha, here it is
[00:37] <Thib_> last line
[00:37] <dotech> ubiquity keeps crashing
[00:37] <dotech> where can i get the core dump? :)
[00:37] <Thib_> Ethernet controller: Atheros Communications, Inc. AR242x 802.11abg Wireless PCI Express Adapter (rev 01)
[00:38] <nosrednaekim> Thib_: ah.. I have one of those! you need ndiswrapper
[00:38] <dotech> Error in blink(), sweet :)
[00:38] <Thib_> what's ndiswrapper?
[00:38] <dotech> hockey time, bbl
[00:38] <nosrednaekim> !ndiswrapper
[00:38] <ubotu> Wireless documentation can be found at https://help.ubuntu.com/community/WifiDocs
[00:38] <Thib_> (forgive my continued show of ignorance)
[00:38] <nosrednaekim> its ok... it uses windows drivers.
[00:38] <nosrednaekim> and interfaces them to the linux kernel
[00:39] <Thib_> er
[00:39] <Ibycu1> hi all, found a bug in nautilus (or gvfs), how do I find out debugging information for it that i can submit with a bug report?
[00:39] <teamcobra> I thought the atheros cards were well supported?
[00:39] <Thib_> which one of the many links do I click?
[00:40] <Thib_> at https://help.ubuntu.com/community/WifiDocs
[00:40] <Thib_> https://help.ubuntu.com/community/WifiDocs/Driver/Ndiswrapper?highlight=%28WifiDocs%2FDriver%29 ?
[00:41] <Thib_> is that it, nosrednaekim ?
[00:41] <nosrednaekim> teamcobra: not this one
[00:41] <Thib_> note that I might not be able to install anything easily if my wireless isn't working.
[00:41] <nosrednaekim> teamcobra: I suppose this computer came with Vista?
[00:41] <Thib_> [chuckles]
[00:41] <nosrednaekim> Thib_: sorry... I was meaning you
[00:42] <nosrednaekim> Thib_: ndiswrapper should be included on the CD
[00:42] <Thib_> oh
[00:42] <Thib_> hmm
[00:42] <Thib_> let me pop the CD in
[00:44] <derspankster> ndiswrapper is available in synaptic
[00:44] <Thib_> I see it now
[00:45] <nosrednaekim> derspankster: what I meant was it was on the Cdrom repository
[00:45] <derspankster> oh, ok
[00:46] <Thib_> nosrednaekim: Synaptic isn't cooperating, it keeps asking me to insert the 8.04 beta CD no matter how many times I insert it into the drive
[00:46] <Thib_> I'm therefore doing something wrong.
[00:47] <Thib_> I added the 8.04 CD in "software sources"
[00:47] <lubosz> zomg
[00:47] <lubosz> gdmgreeter is crashing balls
[00:47] <lubosz> after yesterdays update
[00:48] <lubosz> i have to use gdmlogin now oO
[00:48] <lubosz> not quite eye candy
[00:48] <Thib_> sigh
[00:48] <Thib_> well, it's beta software
[00:48] <ethana2> aaand firefox just exploded again
[00:48] <Thib_> I'd hoped it'd work better out of the box
[00:49] <Thib_> I'm just going to burn and install 7.10 for now
[00:49] <Thib_> I hope it'll work better
[00:49] <ethana2> Thib_: have fun running massive updates
[00:49] <lubosz> hardy works nicely
[00:49] <ethana2> ^_^
[00:49] <ethana2> generally speaking, yes it does
[00:49] <lubosz> 7.10 is old school
[00:49] <ethana2> beta4 of FF3 is a little... unstable
[00:49] <ethana2> 7.10 is /old/
[00:49] <lubosz> hm, ff3 runs well for me
[00:49] <ethana2> the hardware drivers...  eucch
[00:49] <Thib_> the choice isn't very hard between massive updates, and no wireless + 800x600 resolution.
[00:49] <derspankster> lubosz: agreed
[00:50] <ethana2> oh
[00:50] <ethana2> I see
[00:50] <Thib_> but that's assuming 7.10 will work with my new laptop -- maybe it won't either
[00:50] <teamcobra> thib: wait
[00:51] <teamcobra> instead of thrashing your install, is there any way you can put the machine in question on a wired connection?
[00:51] <lubosz> Thib_: you tried 8.04 and its not working?
[00:51] <teamcobra> just until you get wireless up (like 2 mins, esp if using ndis-gtk  (available in synaptic, will appear under system/administration/windows wireless drivers)
[00:51] <Thib_> it is on a wired connection, and it keeps saying "network is unreachable"
[00:52] <Thib_> I'm really having a lot of problems :-(
[00:52] <teamcobra> try opening up a console, doing a "sudo ifconfig eth0 up ; sudo dhclient eth0"
[00:52] <teamcobra> without quotes
[00:52] <Thib_> the network I'm on doesn't have DHCP, I have a statically assigned IP address
[00:52] <Thib_> so I configured that.
[00:52] <teamcobra> oh, ok.... then 1 sec
[00:54] <teamcobra> make sure the settings in /etc/network/interfaces match the static ip settings you're using
[00:55] <teamcobra> and that /etc/resolv.conf has your dns servers in there
[00:55] <akk> network unreachable usually means that the gateway is wrong, doesn't it? (or IP addy not configured at all)
[00:56] <Thib_> ok
[00:56] <Thib_> I have connectivity now
[00:56] <Thib_> via the wired
[00:56] <Thib_> I'll try installing ndis* with Synaptic or Aptitude or something, over the network instead of over the CD
[00:57] <teamcobra> wait
[00:57] <teamcobra> just install ndis-gtk
[00:58] <teamcobra> and it'll install the required deps
[00:58] <teamcobra> then, go to system/administration/windows wireless drivers, point it to the proper inf file, hit ok, and reboot.... ndiswrapper joy
[00:59] <teamcobra> it might be in universe/multiverse, not 100% positive
[01:00] <teamcobra> but it'll make it a bit easier on you install on a machine that needs ndiswrapper (hopefully, never again ;) )
[01:01] <gaminggeek> can someone here help me get my wacom tablet working in hardy?
[01:03] <Thib_> my wireless card is not listed here: http://ndiswrapper.sourceforge.net/joomla/index.php?/component/option,com_openwiki/Itemid,33/id,list_a/
[01:03] <Thib_> what now...
[01:04] <blueyed> Is the black window bug with nvidia-glx-new back? or is it me using linux-server?
[01:05] <Thib_> oh well
[01:05] <Thib_> I have to go now
[01:05] <Thib_> I spent all afternoon trying to set up this new laptop
[01:05] <Gnine> !topic
[01:05] <ubotu> Please read the channel topic whenever you enter, as it contains important information. To view it at any time after joining, simply type /topic
[01:06] <blueyed> Gnine: ?
[01:06] <Thib_> are you saying that because of the "Please make sure you know how to administer an Ubuntu system (including broken dependencies), and how to fix it when it breaks, before installing Hardy" bit?
[01:07] <Thib_> I thought I knew how to administer and fix my Ubuntu machines and the Ubuntu machines at my work
[01:07] <Thib_> but I guess I'm assuming a slightly higher starting point
[01:07] <Gnine> i just wanted to check out the topic
[01:08] <Thib_> oh :-)
[01:08] <Thib_> well, it's okay you didn't mean to criticize me; I meant to criticize me.
[01:08] <Thib_> I'm not a wiz but I thought I could do stuff, but in this instance, the out-of-the-box state is too complicated for me
[01:09] <Thib_> no wireless, most dialog boxes have their OK and Cancel buttons off screen because the graphics card isn't recognized, I mean... it's unworkable for a little guy like me :-(
[01:09] <Thib_> I'm hoping 7.10 will work better
[01:09] <Thib_> thanks everyone
[01:11] <gaminggeek> has anyone got a wacom tablet to go in hardy?
[01:11] <gaminggeek> mine sorta works
[01:12] <Dr_willis> ive got one of those tablets. not ttried it in hardy. in gutsy i had to add some entries to the xorg.conf i recall.
[01:12] <gaminggeek> if I touch the tablet with the the pen it works but not how it should it should work just by hovering over it
[01:12] <gaminggeek> the lines are not in hardy
[01:12] <Dr_willis> Right - the new xorg.conf style is very minimal. You may have to add the lines.
[01:12] <gaminggeek> what are they?
[01:12] <Dr_willis> The whole minimal xorg.conf  - is causing quite a few issues with 'unusual' systems.
[01:13] <Dr_willis> I  got the entry info from the wacom docs installed with the wacom packages.
[01:13] <gaminggeek> its very annoying
[01:13] <blueyed> Dr_willis: could this also be the reason for keycodes sent by acpi_fakekey (acpi-support, ..) to get lost? If they aren't visible in xev..
[01:14] <gaminggeek> *sigh* I wish this worked out of the box :/
[01:14] <Dr_willis> blueyed,  perhaps. Im not too up on that deeper stuff :)
[01:14] <Dr_willis> I though the wacom tablets were enabled out of the box on the older releases.. and everyone hated it.. :)
[01:15] <blueyed> Dr_willis: me neither.. but there are quite few such bugs around.. but /me is still using the previous xorg.conf, so it's unlikeyl.
[01:15] <Dr_willis> at least the entries for somthing was in the default xorg.conf. caused a lot of 'warnings' that confused people.
[01:15] <blueyed> Dr_willis: yes, that was for the wacoms.
[01:16] <blueyed> Dr_willis: it made a lot of people think that was a root cause for another issue when looking at the console output for finding a bug.
[01:16] <Dr_willis> so he could find an older xorg.conf, and  use the info from it.
[01:16] <gaminggeek> why dont they have a "wacom" config with a script that you run?
[01:17] <blueyed> gaminggeek: they? You don't have it.. ;)
[01:18]  * blueyed has the nvidia black window bug again, on linux-server kernel.
[01:18] <dotech> ok back for the intermission, have to figure out why the installer can't create ext3
[01:18] <blueyed> gaminggeek: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Wacom
[01:18] <Dr_willis> gaminggeek,  following that logic we would have 100000 scripts for every occasion.. and that gets to be a mess.
[01:18] <blueyed> (gg: wacom xorg.conf)
[01:19] <blueyed> Dr_willis: well, we should support it, without the mess.
[01:19] <Dr_willis> ive seen some disrtos that do that sort of 'thing'  with scripts.
[01:19] <gaminggeek> blueyed: the lines arnt there anymore we have been over this
[01:19] <Dr_willis> blueyed,  they did.. and it caused problems.. so its a catch22 problem.
[01:20] <blueyed> pm-utils is much nicer than acpi-support for example..
[01:20] <Dr_willis> it took me all of 10 min to get it going on my other system. Ijust read the wacom docs in /usr/share/wacom (i think) and cut/pasted, restarted X
[01:20] <blueyed> gaminggeek: I've thought you needed the lines for your wacom?
[01:20] <Dr_willis> you CAN put the lines in xorg.conf to manually configure things
[01:20] <gaminggeek> blueyed: i added them and it crashed X
[01:20] <Dr_willis> i may have to go track down my tablet for this pc...
[01:20] <blueyed> gaminggeek: like how?
[01:21] <gaminggeek> like it put it in bullet proof X mode
[01:21] <blueyed> gaminggeek: pastebin your /var/log/Xorg.0.log please.
[01:21] <blueyed> gaminggeek: from the crash.. so might be .1. instead.
[01:21] <dotech> /var/log/installer/debug thats what i was looking for
[01:22] <dotech> Permission denied: '/proc/24967/environ'
[01:22] <gaminggeek> blueyed: this was weeks aqo
[01:22] <dotech> weird, its failing to create Cairo haha
[01:22] <Dr_willis> Hmm.. i wonder if you have the  wacom-tools package instgalled..
[01:22] <blueyed> gaminggeek: try again please.. I just had the bullet proof X because of missing linux-restricted-modules (nvidia driver), so it might be something else, e.g. a typo even.
[01:23] <Dr_willis> This forum thread implies the wacom tablet works with no tweaking.
[01:23] <Dr_willis> 'My Wacom tablet is working fine in Hardy with the latest packages. I still have to have it plugged in before X starts.'
[01:23] <gaminggeek> ah installing wacom tools
[01:23] <gaminggeek> I thought I had it
[01:23] <Dr_willis> I do recall that 'issue' you could not unplug/hotplug the thing.
[01:24] <blueyed> dotech: I've never seen /var/log/installer/ before and mine is from 2005-06-09 :D
[01:24] <Dr_willis> https://answers.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+question/28084
[01:24] <dotech> haha nice
[01:24] <akk> Dr_willis: A long time ago, I found I could fix the needing-to-connect-before-starting-x by making sure the wacom and evdev kernel modules were loaded
[01:24] <akk> dunno if that's still true
[01:24] <dotech> well i know why ubiquity is crashing at least, Cairo is broken!
[01:24] <dotech> :)
[01:27] <Smegzor2> I'm stuck in low graphics mode with little more than a console.  I want to run the gnome menu editor since it has access to everything i need to fix my problem.  What do I type in console to run the gnome menu editor?
[01:28] <Dr_willis> the gnome menu editor can fix your res problem?
[01:28] <Smegzor2> YES
[01:28] <Dr_willis> Hmm.. i thought its name was 'alacarte' or somthing.
[01:28] <Smegzor2> but I need to run it
[01:28] <keithclark>  If I log in to a remote machine in a terminal using ssh -X username@xxx.xxx.xxx.xxx and then start a program such as firefox, is the program actually running on the remote machine?
[01:28] <Smegzor2> I'll try that
[01:29] <Dr_willis> Im not following this logic.. :) alacarte
[01:29] <Dr_willis>  alacarte   is the command you are looking for.
[01:29] <Dr_willis> i just checked :)
[01:29] <Smegzor2> thanks!  now I can run every command I need.
[01:29] <Smegzor2> I'm looking at command properties to get the console commands to run stuff
[01:30] <Smegzor2> since I don't know the commands off by heart
[01:30] <Dr_willis> The menu items are defined by various .desktop files :) you could look at those also.
[01:31] <Smegzor2> i installed restricted drivers and it messed up.  When I unticked that, it REALLY messed up and I have half a desktop and no menu
[01:31] <Smegzor2> I know there are other ways to fix it, but I'm trying to help myself for a change :)
[01:32] <blueyed> Smegzor2: look at /var/log/Xorg.0.log
[01:32] <blueyed> ..what the error is.
[01:32] <Dr_willis> i wonder what would happen under hardy if you just moved the xorg.conf to xorg.conf.old  and started X with no xorg.conf
[01:32] <blueyed> Dr_willis: quite strange thread about the wacom (in "answers"). anybody here involved there?
[01:32] <gaminggeek> so why did they take the tablet entrys out of xorg.conf?
[01:32] <blueyed> Dr_willis: maybe no wacom? :p
[01:32] <Smegzor2> thanks.  I have mc installed so I can mess around with conf files easily.  Why mc isn't installed by default is a mystery.
[01:33] <Dr_willis> gaminggeek,  they took basicially EVERYTHING out of xorg.conf - X is suppost to 'auto configure' when started
[01:34] <gaminggeek> ok
[01:34] <Dr_willis> Smegzor2,  mc is one of the first things i install on a new install. :)
[01:34] <Dr_willis> and the full vim package
[01:34] <gaminggeek> why isnt it auto configuring for me :(
[01:35]  * Dr_willis notices the 'beta' namein the title. :)
[01:35] <gaminggeek> yea I know
[01:35] <gaminggeek> but if we can find the problem we can submit a bug report cant we?
[01:35] <Dr_willis> dont make me go downstairs and find my tablet, and plug itin.
[01:35] <x1250> yeah, but maybe the stable will also not configure it for him >:)
[01:35] <Dr_willis> report a but anyway.. well.. search for other related bugs.. you may find a fix.
[01:36] <Dr_willis> Im not sure what subsystem auto-magicially-configures X - so it may be that X needs some work. not a bug, just a feature not there.. but apraently it DOES work for some people
[01:36] <blueyed> gaminggeek: Please read my answer at https://answers.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+question/28084
[01:37] <jaffarkelshac> can you take screenshots to file without prompts
[01:37] <blueyed> Dr_willis: it works for those who upgrade, I suppose.
[01:37] <gaminggeek> blueyed: which one is yours?
[01:37] <blueyed> gaminggeek: the last one.
[01:37] <gaminggeek> ok
[01:38] <gaminggeek> I have looked in there
[01:38] <blueyed> jaffarkelshac: import filename
[01:38] <Dr_willis> jaffarkelshac,  there are command line 'screen shot programs' you could use that dont have any dialog box's
[01:38] <gaminggeek> its quite a long and confusing man file :)
[01:38] <jaffarkelshac> Dr_willis, i dont know any of them, which ones are there
[01:38] <Dr_willis> jaffarkelshac,  fire up the package manager and search. I havent used any in ages.
[01:39] <jaffarkelshac> k
[01:39] <jaffarkelshac> thanks though
[01:39] <blueyed> jaffarkelshac: "import" from imagemagick will do.
[01:39] <geniehost> Hello all where I can find a keyboard layout for my Microsoft Multimedia Keyboard 1.0A ?
[01:39] <geniehost> I am using ubuntu 8.4
[01:40] <jaffarkelshac> blueyed, is import in repo
[01:40] <blueyed> gaminggeek: I've only skimmed the man file. You might just want to try adding the lines (in a new file, if there isn't any /etc/X11/xorg.conf yet)
[01:40] <Dr_willis>  imagemagick  is a package of a lot of tools
[01:40] <blueyed> jaffarkelshac: the package is imagemagick, a set of command line tools for image manipulation
[01:40] <blueyed> !imagemagick
[01:40] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about imagemagick - try searching on http://ubotu.ubuntu-nl.org/factoids.cgi
[01:41] <gaminggeek> blueyed: I would rather find out why its not auto detecting
[01:41] <jaffarkelshac> cheers blueyed
[01:42] <gaminggeek> !imagemagik
[01:42] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about imagemagik - try searching on http://ubotu.ubuntu-nl.org/factoids.cgi
[01:43] <blueyed> gaminggeek: that's the next step, to find out or add this functionality. I'd say it's just not ready (from the man file), but there are a lot of changes in "aptitude changelog wacom-tools". I'd also try to find/file a bug about it.
[01:46] <jaffarkelshac> i added it in apt but i am not sure where it is,
[01:46] <jaffarkelshac> i added it in apt but i am not sure where it is, blueyed
[01:46] <Dr_willis> given the varity of wacom tablets.... i imagine thatthe older ones are better supported then the newer ones
[01:47] <x1250> Hey guys, is there anyway I can force a nautilus script (~/.gnome2/nautilus-scripts) to execute in a terminal?
[01:47] <blueyed> jaffarkelshac: open a terminal and enter "import filename.png", then click somewhere, or look at it options. What do you want to do?
[01:47] <jaffarkelshac> i used locate and its in usr/bin/....libextract-imagemagick.so blueyed
[01:47] <caesa1>  Firefox 3 always starts in offline mode. Is there a way to force it to work in online mode, even if I'm offline?
[01:48] <blueyed> x1250: chmod +x $SCRIPT; ./$SCRIPT
[01:48] <blueyed> caesa1: that's strange. It doesn't for me.
[01:48] <x1250> blueyed: I'm not trying to give the script execute permissions, but to execute it in a terminal window
[01:49] <x1250> I need to interact with it through a terminal
[01:49] <Dr_willis> x1250,  cant make the scrit run somthing like 'xterm -e commandname'
[01:49] <caesa1> blueyed: well, I'm on dialup. And Network manager doesn't seem to acknowledge when I'm online or offline. I think that's why it starts in offline mode
[01:49] <x1250> Dr_willis: I'll see about that
[01:50] <blueyed> x1250: yeah, you would just start it from a terminal, but it needs to be executable, or depending on the script do e.g. "bash $SCRIPT" or "python -c $SCRIPT"
[01:51] <x1250> blueyed: you don't understand my problem. I can execute the script already, just not in a terminal, and I want to use the nautilus menu to execute it
[01:51] <blueyed> caesa1: so that's a bug in network manager or FF. Nothing in "about:config" I could find.
[01:51] <gaminggeek> Dr_willis: I have a wacom intos3
[01:52] <blueyed> x1250: how can you execute it already? from the menu, but not the command line? or the other way around?
[01:53] <caesa1> blueyed: well, it's a really old bug. I don't think it's going to be fixed any time soon, and I was fine and dandy in Gutsy Gibbon. Is there a way I can just FORCE it to be on online mode, outside of about:config?
[01:53] <caesa1> or however would work
[01:53] <x1250> I dont want to use the command line (I dont want to open by hand a terminal). I want to use the nautilus script menu to execute the script, but I need the script to open up in a terminal all it will end inmediatly, and I need it to loop until I want...
[01:53] <x1250> all/or/
[01:53] <blueyed> caesa1: so it regressed in Hardy, because before this FF would be in online mode always?
[01:54] <caesa1> yeah
[01:56] <blueyed> x1250: create a .desktop file for it and add Terminal=True (or use alacarte, if that's possible)
[01:56] <SilverDawn> Does anyone know how to change the workgroup of a ubuntu box, Cuz suddenly the shares on the other computer dissapeared... and nothings changed
[01:56] <SilverDawn> =|
[01:56] <blueyed> SilverDawn: samba broken maybe?
[01:57] <SilverDawn> Hrm
[01:57] <SilverDawn> smbclient finds the chares
[01:57] <SilverDawn> shares*
[01:58] <x1250> blueyed: yeah, but I can't use alacarte since I need to execute the script with $NAUTILUS_SCRIPT_CURRENT_URI, so I need nautilus. I don't know If I can create a .desktop file for a nautilus script.
[02:00] <gaminggeek> Dr_willis: can you get your tablet it would be really help full :)
[02:00] <Dr_willis> You expect me to get up from my chair and walk downstairs!
[02:00] <x1250> or maybe I can put something like Terminal=True or something like that inside the script, I'll check that
[02:00] <Dr_willis> egads!
[02:00] <Dr_willis> :)
[02:00] <gaminggeek> lol
[02:00] <Dr_willis> i got a much older graphit tablet. so it may just work.. :)P
[02:01] <gaminggeek> mine sorta works out of the box
[02:01] <gaminggeek> I can put the pen to the tablet and move the cursor around
[02:01] <gaminggeek> so the driver it working
[02:02] <gaminggeek> but it hasnt detected some options like that it needs to have the stylus mode
[02:02] <Dr_willis> ok.. i Plugged it in.. :) lets see
[02:03] <Dr_willis> hmm..it 'seems' to be working fine. :)
[02:03] <Dr_willis> let me fire up gimp
[02:03] <gaminggeek> what is it doing?
[02:03] <thompa> does anyone have atheros 5007 (misidentified)  or 5006 working?
[02:04] <Dr_willis> gaminggeek,  its working.. normally on the desktop.. moving the pointer selecting text so forth.. :)
[02:04] <Dr_willis> now for gimp
[02:04] <gaminggeek> ok thats more than mine..
[02:04] <thompa> Atheros Communications Inc. AR242x in  lspci also drivers for atheros but no device to configure
[02:05] <thompa> i also cannot compile using madwifi because of this
[02:05] <syke_> hi
[02:05] <gaminggeek> the anoying thing is it worked fine in gutsy :/
[02:06] <syke_> when will there be a fix for the ndiswrapper and ssb race? I'm really tired of this regression at this point, and want to make sure it gets fixed before release :)
[02:06] <Dr_willis> its Not working properly with gimp, no pressure, no eraror and so forth,,I may need to restart X
[02:06] <gaminggeek> ok
[02:06] <thompa> my two problems is no wifi atheros 5007 , impossible to fix. and no more usb devices automounting
[02:07] <gaminggeek> I need to restart x too I screwed up the config and its in bullet proof mode :/
[02:07] <thompa> in alpha 6 i could use madwifi svn at least
[02:07] <thompa> i dont feel like compiling my own kernel for all this
[02:08] <ethana2> hey
[02:08] <ethana2> broadcom
[02:08] <ethana2> ...how do broadcom wireless devices work on hardy?
[02:08] <ethana2> !broadcom
[02:08] <ubotu> Help with Broadcom bcm43xx can be found at https://wiki.ubuntu.com/WifiDocs/Driver/Broadcom43xx
[02:09] <thompa> no wireless extensions but lspci  AR242x and drivers for atheros show enabled
[02:09] <SilverDawn> hrm my samba doesnt wanna work
[02:10] <teamcobra> SilverDawn, make sure the shares are set up under system/administration/samba
[02:10] <Dr_willis> Hmm.. gimp still isent seeing the cursor.stylus stuff properly,
[02:10] <Dr_willis> so its  useable as a tablet, but not 100%
[02:10] <SilverDawn> teamcobra, theres no system/admin/samba
[02:10] <SilverDawn> =\
[02:11] <teamcobra> odd...... 1 min, I'll check to see what app it is
[02:11] <eduardo> Qestion: I just made the last update for 8.04 and after that I have this problem, just after i log into ubuntu my computer freezes, anyone knows how to fix this?
[02:11] <syke_> ethana2: I have never had luck with the bcm43xx drivers over the course of 3 laptops. I always end up using ndiswrapper.
[02:11] <MTecknology> so, what's new with -15?
[02:12] <SilverDawn> for smbclient -L hostname i get the following after the output of the shares on that box
[02:12] <SilverDawn> session request to 192.168.0.101 failed (Called name not present)
[02:12] <SilverDawn> session request to 192 failed (Called name not present)
[02:12] <SilverDawn> session request to *SMBSERVER failed (Called name not present)
[02:12] <SilverDawn> NetBIOS over TCP disabled -- no workgroup available
[02:12] <MTecknology> lotta kernel updates the last week
[02:12] <eduardo> Qestion: I just made the last update for 8.04 and after that I have this problem, just after i log into ubuntu my computer freezes, anyone knows how to fix this?
[02:13] <ethana2> syke_: how do you find the windows drivers?
[02:13] <syke_> there are links that can help
[02:13] <Dr_willis> can you ping the hostname SilverDawn ?
[02:13] <syke_> but generally you can just go to your laptop manufacturer's website and download
[02:13] <gaminggeek> ARG now my X is a mess :/
[02:13] <teamcobra> silver: apt-get install system-config-samba
[02:13] <SilverDawn> Dr_willis, Yep
[02:13] <ethana2> syke_: they usually use .exe files
[02:13] <Dr_willis> it seems theres been a lot of times when samba/shareing has beenbroken forme under hardy, then it gets fixed.. thenit breaks again
[02:14] <eduardo> can anyone help me?
[02:14] <ethana2> Dr_willis: yes.  ..wait, it gets fixed?
[02:14] <syke_> ethana2: oh! sorry -- yes, you'll need to use wine to run some of the unpackers.
[02:14] <ethana2> ohhh
[02:14] <ethana2> ok
[02:14] <Dr_willis> ethana2,  every so often.. even the sshfs was crashing hard onme for a while
[02:14] <ethana2> syke_: you've had good success running driver installers in wine?
[02:14] <SilverDawn> I just need to get the music off of the vista box...
[02:14] <SilverDawn> Any possible way of doing that
[02:14] <SilverDawn> I dont care if its samba or not
[02:14]  * eduardo screams for help.
[02:14] <SilverDawn> i guess proftpd might work
[02:14] <dotech> interesting
[02:15] <dotech> my time shifted ahead by 4 hours when i set my location in the installer
[02:15] <Dr_willis> SilverDawn,  install ssh server, install winscp on windows box, copy things over using winscp
[02:15] <Dr_willis> Much simpiler then setting up a ftp server
[02:15] <dotech> i guess my bios is supposed to be set to GMT?
[02:15] <eduardo> anyone willing to help me?
[02:16] <ethana2> eduardo: sorry, hang on, pretty active channel right now
[02:16] <eduardo> ok
[02:16] <ethana2> eduardo: somebody will probably get back, read the log...
[02:16] <ethana2> eduardo: and try to give you assistance
[02:17] <dotech> so my problem with the installer is this: it is trying to write ext3 to /dev/sda1 but i do not have /dev/sda1.
[02:18] <dotech> the first partition on sda is actually /sys/block/sda/sda1
[02:18] <Dr_willis> ive seen some cases where if the partitionign tool does changes.. thekernel does not see the changes.. but it WILL see them if you reboot.
[02:19] <Dr_willis> the old fdisk command had warnings about this.
[02:19] <dotech> hmm
[02:19] <dotech> well its worth a shot :)
[02:19] <Dr_willis> I often fire up a live cd wight gparted and partition, then reboot the isntall cd.
[02:19] <dotech> well it did partition the drive
[02:19] <dotech> that part worked
[02:19] <dotech> but the device wasn't created in /dev
[02:20] <Dr_willis> i would say try a reboot
[02:20] <dotech> yea that will fix it
[02:20] <dotech> im curious how i could really fix it though
[02:20] <dotech> so others wont have this happen :)
[02:20] <Dr_willis> its a issue with the hardware/kernel/drives
[02:20] <Dr_willis> thers no 100% fix. :)
[02:20] <Dr_willis> even in dos/windows i have often had to reboot.
[02:20] <dotech> ill have to get on git and patch the kernel :)
[02:21] <Dr_willis> The kernel partition tables and what bios says dont match up. its safext to reboot
[02:21] <dotech> yea
[02:21] <dotech> i know they use ioctl() to reread the partition table
[02:21] <dotech> and that appears to be successful, its udev that isn't creating a device for the partition i think
[02:21] <syke_> ethana2: yes, and the wine in hardy should be alright for that purpose. dapper's wine is another story -- I had to use unofficial builds of wine there.
[02:21] <dotech> probably because the kernel didn't update something properly
[02:22] <Dr_willis> i think its more of a bios issue also. some machines i have i have to always reboot.. most newer ones i dont
[02:23] <dotech> maybe the installer should force a reboot after the partitioning with the guided tool?
[02:23] <dotech> that would prevent this
[02:23] <Dr_willis> then you have to be sure it rebooted right..and so forth..
[02:23] <Dr_willis> the FDISK command will say 'partitions will not be correct untill you reboot'
[02:23] <dotech> or at least make the error that pops up suggest rebooting :)
[02:24] <dotech> right now it just says it failed with some weird numbers and the device name
[02:25] <dotech> damn and it keeps shifting my time haha
[02:25] <dotech> i tell it im at GMT-4 and my time shifts ahead 4 hours
[02:25] <dotech> if anything iw ould expect it to go backwards 4 hours
[02:25] <blueyed> eduardo: any clues in /var/log/Xorg.0.log? When does it freeze?
[02:26] <SilverDawn> god samba is so fscked on hardy.... if i try to go in manually it crashes nautilus
[02:27] <eduardo> blueeyed, when i try that it says no such file or directory
[02:27] <eduardo> blueyed, when i try that it says no such file or directory
[02:29] <blueyed> eduardo: looking at Xorg.0.log? try "less /var/log/Xorg.0.log" from a terminal, then press G to scroll to the bottom.
[02:30] <blueyed> eduardo: again, when does it freeze? and how? black screen, no more disk access?
[02:30] <eduardo> blueyed i tried cat /var/log/xorg.log/ lgrep EE
[02:30] <blueyed> eduardo: Xorg.0.log
[02:30] <eduardo> blueyed, it freezes just after i log into ubuntu
[02:31] <blueyed> eduardo: you can do just "grep EE $FILE"
[02:31] <blueyed> eduardo: so gnome freezes? how far does it get? do you see the taskbar?
[02:31] <eduardo> blueyed, it freezes my keyboard and mouse, and i only see a pink screen
[02:31] <blueyed> maybe compiz freezes?
[02:31] <eduardo> blueyed, no, no taskbar
[02:32] <blueyed> eduardo: might be a compiz/graphics driver issue then.
[02:33] <eduardo> blueyed, it used to freeze on the login screen, but i reinstalled gdm, and then i could login normally, but just after logging in it freezes
[02:33] <SilverDawn> why are we running an alpha version of smbclient?
[02:34] <baudelaire> Hey Guys!  I have a quick question.  I'm pretty new to Ubuntu.  Do you guys have any productivity tips that you think would help me?  I already use Gnome-Do.  You guys have any other ideas? :-) :-P
[02:36] <Fritzel> my desktop has pieces that go visible and invisible on KDE4 new install, is this a driver issue? and is it a known issue?
[02:39] <Meshezabeel> how do I disable compiz?
[02:40] <blueyed> Fritzel: in the taskbar/plasma? known issue I think (have it to), but it's getting better with every 0.1 release.
[02:40] <blueyed> baudelaire: shell :)
[02:41] <Fritzel> blueyed: it's getting worse and worse as time goes on though, my temperatures are fine though is it possible to run KDE4 without plasma? or am I right in guessing that the panel is nothing but a docked widget?
[02:41] <Meshezabeel> I have problems with java apps and need to disable compiz
[02:41] <baudelaire> blueyed, hehe
[02:42] <blueyed> Fritzel: you could try restarting plasma (kill and restart)
[02:42] <Fritzel> what's the proper way to do that? and the app name? plasma I assume?
[02:42] <Fritzel> or just kill -9 plasma;plasma
[02:42] <Fritzel> er killall rather
[02:43] <blueyed> Meshezabeel: in ubuntu (gnome)? "Appearance" in "Preferences" IIRC. => Visual Effects
[02:43] <blueyed> Fritzel: yes, just worked for me, too.
[02:44] <Fritzel> it didn't me half my stuff is still vanishing
[02:44] <blueyed> Fritzel: you might want to leave the terminal open then, as it spits out debug info and when it's getting hot again, you might get some clue.
[02:44] <blueyed> Fritzel: all the time?
[02:44] <Fritzel> when I can read the terminal that is
[02:45] <Fritzel> it was miner before but yeah it's doing it almost constantly now
[02:45] <Meshezabeel> thanks blueyed!
[02:45] <Fritzel> minor >< not miner
[02:46] <Shiiii> hello all
[02:46] <Shiiii> can someone point to a solution to i965 graphics in hardy ?
[02:48] <T1m0thy> Is there a way to record Skype calls in Hardy?
[02:48] <Fritzel> ok I have no idea what's different now but the system is abck to normal? ><
[02:49] <Dr_willis> T1m0thy,  i recall some 'how to record skype' howto on some ubuntu site.
[02:49] <T1m0thy> Okay.
[02:50] <T1m0thy> Are you talking about the Forums or the Wiki?
[02:50] <T1m0thy> The Wiki is deleted.
[02:52] <Dr_willis> this was some other site - ubuntututorials, or somthing
[02:53] <SilverDawn> whats with the constant recompiles of the ubuntu kernel lol
[02:53] <SilverDawn> =\
[02:53] <Dr_willis> i have like 8 ubuntu tips sites in my live-bookmarns
[03:01] <dotech> ok now its time to figure out what bugs im finding :)
[03:03] <Tm_K> hi kids
[03:03] <Dr_willis> !hi
[03:03] <ubotu> Hi! Welcome to #ubuntu+1!
[03:03] <Dr_willis> :)
[03:03] <Silverdawn> Anyone know how to correctly mount a samba share manually
[03:03] <gaminggeek> hello :)
[03:04] <Dr_willis> Silverdawn,  i cheat and use the fusesmb tools. its much easier for me. :)
[03:04] <Silverdawn> I thought it was like... mount smb:host username%password cifs
[03:04] <Silverdawn> or somethin
[03:04] <Silverdawn> fusesmb?
[03:04] <Dr_willis> yes.. fusesmb.. or was it smbfuse
[03:04] <Silverdawn> Im willing to do anything -_- i just need to get into those files
[03:04] <Dr_willis> You dident want to try the winscp on the windows box eh?
[03:04] <Silverdawn> i did
[03:05] <Silverdawn> -_-
[03:05] <Dr_willis> so..........
[03:05] <Silverdawn> it didnt work
[03:05] <Silverdawn> lol
[03:05] <Silverdawn> and fusesmb just worked in one go :|
[03:05] <Silverdawn> wow
[03:05] <Silverdawn> lol
[03:05] <Dr_willis> fusesmb worked without you confguring it?
[03:05] <Tm_K> I got loveletter from HAL:  wifi%d: unable to attach hardware: 'Hardware revision not supported' (HAL status 13)
[03:05] <Silverdawn> Yeah i just did fusesmb /mnt
[03:05] <Silverdawn> and now its all in /mnt
[03:06] <Tm_K> <3
[03:06] <Dr_willis> You must have some no password needed shares setup?
[03:06] <gaminggeek> ok so I was screwing around with my x config trying to get my wacom to go and now my screen res is stuck at 1024x768
[03:06] <Silverdawn> Dr_willis, yeah
[03:06] <Silverdawn> lol
[03:06] <Dr_willis> There ya go..
[03:06] <Silverdawn> :)
[03:06] <Dr_willis> now see if it actually works
[03:07] <Silverdawn> seems too
[03:07] <Dr_willis> of course gnome and kde both have samba networkbrowser tools also.
[03:07] <Silverdawn> Except how do you unmount wiht it?
[03:07] <Silverdawn> with it*
[03:07] <Dr_willis> fusermount -u sharename
[03:07] <Dr_willis> or sudo umount whatever
[03:09] <Silverdawn> they are all unmounted on reboot right?
[03:09] <gaminggeek> ok got my xconfig back
[03:10] <dotech> is there a separate place to log bugs against hardy?
[03:10] <gaminggeek> did you get your tablet working Dr_willis
[03:10] <Dr_willis> gaminggeek,  the basics worked.. but not the pressure and so forth.. so i put it back in the closet.
[03:10] <gaminggeek> ok
[03:11] <gaminggeek> damn
[03:11] <Dr_willis> i dont hae the table space for the thing. I rember why it was in the closet
[03:12] <Silverdawn> Dr_willis, when i reboot the shares will be unmounted correct?
[03:12] <Silverdawn> Like... they wont be mounted when i startup like a service
[03:13] <Dr_willis> Silverdawn,  of course..  they are not services
[03:13] <Silverdawn> :)
[03:14] <Silverdawn> Do you by chance use mpd
[03:14] <Dr_willis> Nope
[03:14] <Dr_willis> :)
[03:14] <Silverdawn> Damn
[03:14] <Silverdawn> err
[03:14] <Silverdawn> darn
[03:14] <Silverdawn> lol
[03:15] <Silverdawn> Im trying to figure out how to make it play on boot as a service, Since its 100% doable in other distros
[03:16] <Dr_willis> run it from rc.local is one way
[03:16] <Dr_willis> i thought it DID run as a service
[03:16] <Flannel> Dr_willis: you can run it as a daemon, or not
[03:16] <Dr_willis> etting up mpd (0.13.1-3ubuntu1) ...
[03:16] <Dr_willis>  * Starting Music Player Daemon mpd
[03:17] <Dr_willis> by default it just launched as a service here.. :)
[03:17] <Dr_willis> Not that its doing anything.
[03:18] <cowbud> did the latest updates hose us? some people are saying that on the forum..
[03:18] <Dr_willis> Im stillhere.
[03:19] <Flannel> I agree.  As of Gutsy it does start as a service by default
[03:19] <Flannel> Dapper didn't.  No idea when it changed
[03:19] <Flannel> You may have to uncomment something ot get it to actually function as a service though.  Thats what you used to have to do, if I remember properly.
[03:20] <Fritzel> where's the proper place to add a new user?
[03:21] <dotech> do you know what block size hardy uses when you create an ext3 file system?
[03:21] <dotech> during the install
[03:22] <blueyed> dotech: 4kb? maybe depending on the partition size.. "man make2fs"?
[03:23] <dotech> i dont think there is a default size
[03:23] <blueyed> *"man mke2fs"
[03:26] <dotech> hmm i guess its calculated based on the FS size and type
[03:26] <prakriti> all of my md raid devises in an array got marked as a (S) spare
[03:27] <prakriti> they all seem intact but the raid wont start because they are all (S) :(
[03:27] <prakriti> does anybody know how to fix that?
[03:27] <prakriti> md0 : inactive sdg1[0](S) sdh1[6](S) sde1[5](S) sdf1[4](S) sdd1[3](S) sdb1[2](S) sdc1[1](S)
[03:27] <prakriti>       341829760 blocks
[03:27] <pen> why firefox segfault when I restart?
[03:27] <pen> I have to click firefox twice or more to launch it
[03:29] <dotech> can we rename partitions in the installer?
[03:29] <dotech> doesn't seem to let me
[03:32] <pen> and firefox is slow with compiz.
[03:32] <Dr_willis> rename?
[03:32] <pen> Anyone know how to solvei t?
[03:32] <Dr_willis> filesystems can have labels,you can set,
[03:33] <Dr_willis> pen,  try removing all the firefox settings,
[03:33] <dotech> i meant partition number
[03:33] <Dr_willis> it may be a extension or somthing goofingup.
[03:33] <dotech> it seems to just add sequentially
[03:33] <Dr_willis> You make a partition, it has a #. thats how they work 1-4 are primaries
[03:33] <Dr_willis> 5+ are logicials inside extended
[03:33] <Dr_willis> Not sure what you are trying to do. :)
[03:33] <dotech> yep, i was just wondering if i could create a 2 without a 1 :)
[03:33] <Dr_willis> why would you want to?
[03:34] <Dr_willis> that can really goof up parted/gparted/other tools later
[03:34] <dotech> haha yea
[03:34] <dotech> im getting a strange error when i partition it though
[03:34] <dotech> i must have / at least 2086396416 bytes
[03:34] <dotech> yet my / partition is 250gb
[03:34] <pen> Dr_willis: still segfault if I click restart firefox.
[03:34] <Dr_willis> it pays to keep partition layouts simple. :)
[03:34] <pen> Dr_willis: although firefox is much smoother now
[03:35] <pen> Dr_
[03:35] <dotech> /dev/sda1 ext3 / 248008MB
[03:35] <dotech> yet the popup says "some of the partitions you created are too small. Please make the following partitions at least this large in bytes: / 2086396416
[03:36] <dotech> clearly my / is not too small
[03:36] <Dr_willis> i often just leave a lot of hd space unallocated and let the installer auto-partition it.
[03:37] <pen> Dr_willis: can you restart and firefox open automatically?
[03:37] <dotech> ill reboot and see if it detects the partition properly afterwards
[03:37] <Fritzel> plasma says "plasma(10129) Plasma::Dialog::position: QPoint(984,694)" whenever I mouse over the "Recently plugged devices" applet, is this anything I need to worry about? only reason I'm asking is sometimes parts of my interface go invislbe
[03:37] <Dr_willis> pen,  restart firefox? - ive seenit do that with my extensions. but havent tried it lately.
[03:38] <Dr_willis> kde4 and plasma are still very much a work in progress. :(
[03:38] <dotech> well i can't install heh
[03:38] <dotech> the guided partition doesn't work
[03:38] <Fritzel> -nod- I realize that, alright fair enough
[03:38] <dotech> the manual doesn't work :\
[03:39] <pen> Dr_willis: now not even restart, whenever I enable or disable some themes or addons my firefox always resist to open and I have to click many times to wake it up :(
[03:39] <Dr_willis> dotech,  i tend to just setup 3 primary partitions when i manually partition, one for / one for /home and one for swap.
[03:39] <Dr_willis> pen,  sounds like buggy themes.
[03:39] <dotech> yea i tried
[03:39] <pen> Dr_
[03:39] <dotech> it doesn't detect my / partition for some reason
[03:39] <pen> Dr_willis: I use the default theme
[03:39] <pen> Dr_willis: do you mean the default theme is buggy?
[03:40] <Dr_willis> You just stated that it was with some themes or addone.
[03:40] <Dr_willis>  try a new user. see if it affects them also.
[03:40] <dotech> when i tail syslog it says it can't find /dev/sda1, and i know /dev/sda1 is not there
[03:41] <dotech> it is, however, in /sys/block/sda/sda1
[03:41] <pen> Dr_willis: I have already disable all the addon and restore my theme back to default
[03:41] <dotech> so something strange is going on with the devices
[03:42] <dotech> im not making this up :)
[03:43] <dotech> i know i can manually go call mke2fs on that device but that's cheating
[03:43] <dotech> im running the beta so i can help flush out bugs
[03:44] <pen> Dr_willis: I don't understand that if I let firefox unminimized all the other apps will perform slowly but if I minimize firefox or close it others will behave normally
[03:44] <pen> Dr_willis: firefox is really buggy
[03:44] <Dr_willis> it may be.. i dont seeany of those problems here.
[03:44] <Dr_willis> it may be some other extension/theme sucked down a lot of memory and dident release it also.
[03:45] <dotech> Dr_willis: after rebooting again it worked :)
[03:45]  * Dr_willis is watching tunapie crash like a crashprone thing.
[03:45] <Dr_willis> dotech,  i would watch dmesg output - could be that hd is having some 'issues'
[03:45] <dotech> dmesg is clean
[03:46] <dotech> i checked earlier when i was having other issues
[03:46] <dotech> i guess as long as a few reboots fixes it thats ok, must be a kernel issue
[03:46] <cybercyst> what do you do if you have a package that needs libglib in hardy?  libglibldbl is the only package... and this doesn't satisfy libglib still
[03:47] <CVD-PR> when the first 8.04 beta came out?
[03:49] <crimsun> cybercyst: err... libglib2.0-0 or libglib1.2ldbl?
[03:50] <cybercyst> libglib1.2
[03:50] <Nis2k> Question: My system is freezing for no apparent reason, anyone knows whats going wrong?
[03:51] <jbroome> Nis2k: with the aweseome amount of info you provided, sure i can narrow it right now
[03:51] <jbroome> *down
[03:51] <crimsun> cybercyst: that no longer exists, which is why I mentioned the latter.
[03:52] <Nis2k> jbroome, i cant gather any more info, its just freezing for no apparent reason, I dont know whats going wrong
[03:53] <cybercyst> but i have a .deb that wants libglib1.2
[03:53] <crimsun> Nis2k: start with when it freezes.
[03:53] <cybercyst> its for my printer... lousy canon pixma
[03:53] <crimsun> cybercyst: which?  (and installing random debs is a Bad Idea)
[03:53] <Nis2k> jbroome, it used to freeze just after I log into ubuntu, so i did dhclient && aptitude update && aptitude upgrade && reboot, and then i could log in normally, but now its just freezing randomly..
[03:54] <Nis2k> crimsun, what do you mean with "start when it freezes" ?
[03:55] <crimsun> Nis2k: I mean describe when it freezes.
[03:55] <Nis2k> crimnsun, It just freezes, I cant move my mouse and my keyboard doesnt respond
[03:55] <jbroome> i would think that having it reboot right after an aptitude upgrade might not be a good idea.  If something fails, you don't get a chance to see it
[03:56] <crimsun> Nis2k: run the memtest from the grub menu
[03:56] <protonchris> Nis2k: Check your logs /var/log/syslog
[03:56] <protonchris> Nis2k: from a liveCD
[03:57] <Nis2k> im in terminal atm, im using irssi
[03:57] <Gnine> irssi!
[03:57] <Nis2k> what about irssi?
[03:57] <dotech> its the best
[03:57] <nomasteryoda> !irssi
[03:57] <ubotu> Irssi is a terminal based IRC client. See https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Irssi for help.
[03:57] <nomasteryoda> =D
[03:57] <Gnine> awezum
[03:58] <dotech> so here's the weird thing
[03:58] <dotech> Current time: 10:58:27PM
[03:58] <dotech> Selected region: United States
[03:58] <dotech> I pick new york GMT-4:00 and my time jumps ahead 4 hours.
[03:59] <Nis2k> when i try to use /var/log/syslog, it says permission denied
[03:59] <Nis2k> and im root
[03:59] <Dr_willis> its fun when you set your time ahead.. and it kicks in the powersaving/autoshutdown/hibernate stuff.....
[03:59] <Dr_willis> :P
[03:59] <dotech> haha
[03:59] <dotech> yea or during install it makes all my files in the future
[03:59] <Dr_willis> use it? how are you usingit?
[03:59] <dotech> that tends to screw things up
[03:59] <Dr_willis> cat /var/log/syslog
[03:59] <protonchris> Nis2k: it is a text file.  read it with something like nano.
[04:00] <Nis2k> ok
[04:00] <Nis2k> how can i scroll from terminal?
[04:01] <mesilliac> hold down shift
[04:01] <mesilliac> sorry I think that was bad advice :) didn't read
[04:01] <Dr_willis> shift pageup/down
[04:01] <Dr_willis> or was it ctrl-pageup/down ?
[04:02] <Dr_willis> if you mean the CONSOLE, or xterm. or konsole.. :) they may differ
[04:02] <Dr_willis> OR BEST - learn to use the more or less command. :)
[04:02] <Dr_willis> less /var/log/syslog
[04:31] <dotech> magically the 2 partitions show up in /dev/sda1,2 now
[04:31] <dotech> something is flaky with that
[04:35] <woodwizzle> Is there a good comparison of the latest beagle and tracker indexing engines?
[04:35] <woodwizzle> I'm willing to give tracker a fair shot, but it doesn't appear to index tomboy notes which is important to me.
[04:36] <woodwizzle> and any online reviews of the two engines seem dated.
[04:36] <pen> how to make flash work in opera?
[04:38] <dapiz987> hello, is anybody experiencing reduced audio quality using the 8.04 beta? if so, is there any known fix?
[04:39] <Lunks> "Error: glXCreateContext failed"
[04:39] <Lunks> NVIDIA driver is loaded, what's happening? O.o
[04:41] <dapiz987> anybody?
[04:41] <Lunks> Using a custom kernel, too.
[04:43] <shirish> !linux-image-2.6.24-15-generic
[04:43] <Lunks> Ok, I guess it's the mesa update.
[04:43] <pen> how to make flash work in opera?
[04:44] <shirish> guys, anybody knows where the linux-image-2.6.24-15-generic package is in launchpad?
[04:46] <cwillu> !info linux-image-2.6.24-15-generic
[04:46] <ubotu> linux-image-2.6.24-15-generic (source: linux): Linux kernel image for version 2.6.24 on x86/x86_64. In component main, is optional. Version 2.6.24-15.26 (hardy), package size 17938 kB, installed size 60368 kB
[04:46] <Pici> hey, info is working again. neat.
[04:46] <shirish> cwillu: I'm trying to get the launchpad page for the same, not getting it :(
[04:47] <White_Magic> Anyone Good with Miro Internet Tv?
[04:47] <Dr_willis> White_Magic,  whats to be good about with it? it works here.
[04:47] <White_Magic> I know it works
[04:47] <White_Magic> i want to add a site to it but i dunno how it works
[04:47] <White_Magic> Like Either a site to Search for videos
[04:48] <White_Magic> or add as a channel
[04:48] <SilverDawn> Anyone know a good Gnome tool to burn a audio cd
[04:48] <White_Magic> But i dont think the site hosts the videos directly on it
[04:48] <Gnine> lastest update did not offer -15-generic for me.. where is that coming from
[04:48] <Dr_willis> White_Magic,  thats possible. theres the add channel -> enter url thing..  but ive never trie adding anything else
[04:48] <White_Magic> Well its ietv.co.uk...
[04:48] <White_Magic> that didnt work
[04:49] <White_Magic> i tried to RSS Feeds too
[04:49] <SilverDawn> Anyone?
[04:49] <White_Magic> Bracero
[04:49] <Dr_willis> Hmm theres a Linux Journel channel now. :)
[04:49] <shirish> Gnine: from the archives, I got the page https://launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/linux-meta/2.6.24.15.17
[04:49] <almostdvs> my system wants to update wants to update but it gets problems and can't.  i suspect the update would fix the problem but you obviously...
[04:49] <almostdvs> that looks horrible should i try again?
[04:50] <Gnine> 10-4 shirish
[04:50] <White_Magic> the kernal Upgrade uses the Dist-Upgrade?
[04:50] <White_Magic> correct
[04:50] <White_Magic> ?
[04:50] <cwillu> cart before the horse
[04:50] <cwillu> dist-upgrade updates the kernel, as does just normal upgrade
[04:50] <shirish> White_Magic: I didn't have to do anything like that, I just did the normal sudo aptitude full-upgrade
[04:51] <White_Magic> "Full"
[04:51] <cwillu> full-upgrade == dist-upgrade (latter is deprecated)
[04:51] <White_Magic> I already have Hardy
[04:51] <White_Magic> dist-upgrade is deprecated?
[04:51] <macogw> crimsun: you up?
[04:51] <akk> it always tells me to do safe-upgrade when I do a dist-upgrade ... but I really should be doing full- ?
[04:51] <White_Magic> So no ones knows how to add
[04:51] <White_Magic> IETV.CO.UK
[04:51] <White_Magic> to Miro
[04:52] <cwillu> dist-upgrade is being renamed to full-upgrade, so stop using the older form :p
[04:52] <cwillu> ?
[04:52] <White_Magic> well whas the point of "Dist-Upgrade" Or "Full-Upgrade" if you already use the Latest Dist
[04:52]  * akk wonders if they've changed the message to recommend full-upgrade instead of safe-ugprade
[04:52] <cwillu> White_Magic, that's why they're changing the name, because it doesn't mean what people think it means
[04:53] <x1250> full-upgrade can uninstall/install new packages, safe-upgrade cannot do that
[04:53] <shirish> cwillu: that just tells you that's that command is being deprecated
[04:53] <cwillu> akk, which program are you running?
[04:53] <Jordan_U> Is FF3b5 not packaged yet or is my mirror just behind?
[04:53] <almostdvs> my system wants to upgrade but can't due to a problem with synaptic.  i suspect the update fixes this problem but obviously can't.  does anyone have any clues?
[04:53] <White_Magic> Well when i start update-manager
[04:53] <White_Magic> it does regular upgrades
[04:53] <White_Magic> then a few seconds later says more updates needed
[04:53] <shirish> akk: nope,  afaik some things like a kernel upgrade need full-upgrade
[04:53] <akk> cwillu: That's with aptitude, but I'm trying to switch back to apt-get now so I don't get all the recommended packages
[04:53] <SilverDawn> !mp3
[04:53] <ubotu> For multimedia issues, this page has useful information: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/RestrictedFormats - See also http://help.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/desktopguide/C/common-tasks-chap.html - But please use free formats if you can: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/FreeFormats
[04:53] <White_Magic> and it ends up bringing up the Dist-Upgrade thing
[04:54] <Jordan_U> almostdvs, Can you be more clear, what "problems", do you get any error messages?
[04:54] <shirish> most of the time safe-upgrade works, but when you are upgrading the kernel or chipset drivers or something critical like that than need full-upgrade
[04:55] <akk> thanks, shirish ... I'm not worried about kernel upgrades because 2.4.24 has a bug that keeps me from using it anyway
[04:55] <x1250> that's not entirely true. If your upgrade needs to uninstall or install new packages, then safe-upgrade will hold them, but full-upgrade will go all the way
[04:55] <cwillu> akk, -R will tell aptitude to not do the recommended as dependency thing
[04:55] <shirish> akk: what bug?
[04:55] <cwillu> shirish, safe-upgrade will update a kernel, there's nothing special about that afaik
[04:55] <White_Magic> does that kill out "Recommended"Drivers and stuff
[04:56] <akk> cwillu: I tried to find a way to set that in /etc/apt so I didn't have to type something every time, but eventually gave up (succeeded for apt-get but not for aptitude)
[04:56] <White_Magic> that you have but need to be upgrade
[04:56] <shirish> cwillu: not at my end.
[04:56] <akk> shirish: the visor driver is broken, http://bugzilla.kernel.org/show_bug.cgi?id=10118
[04:57] <ubotu> bugzilla.kernel.org bug 10118 in USB "visor: probe of 1-2.3:1.0 failed with error -5" [Normal,New]
[04:57] <x1250> $ man aptitude. The difference between safe or full-upgrade are restrictions. Safe-upgrade cannot un/install packages, only upgrade
[04:57] <gluer> how do i install all the multimedia codecs at once?
[04:57] <cwillu> gluer, ubuntu-restricted-extras will do a little more than you want (i.e., including java, flash, etc)
[04:57] <Dr_willis> gluer,  install the w32codec package and what cwillu  said also..
[04:57] <x1250> so if devs add a new dependency to a package X, then safe-upgrade will hold package X
[04:57] <gluer> cheers!!!
[04:58] <almostdvs> Jordan_U: http://www.flickr.com/photos/10668177@N05/2389145468/sizes/o/
[04:58] <White_Magic> i dont get what "Restricted" means in ubuntu
[04:58] <White_Magic> if there restriced doesnt that mean you cant have them?
[04:58] <White_Magic> or they dont work
[04:58] <White_Magic> something to that extent...
[04:58] <cwillu> it means you can't redistribute them, or things along those lines
[04:59] <White_Magic> OH
[04:59] <x1250> restricted = restricted license
[04:59] <Jordan_U> almostdvs, Have you been running GUI applications with sudo?
[04:59] <SilverDawn> Dr_willis, do you know what pkg you need for brasero to burn mp3's
[04:59] <SilverDawn> It didnt offer so im at a bit of a loss since i dont know gstreamer well at all
[04:59] <Dr_willis> Nope.
[05:00] <Dr_willis> I dont even have tgnome installed on this box.
[05:00] <SilverDawn> k
[05:00] <almostdvs> jordan_U i'm pretty sure i haven't
[05:00] <Dr_willis> check the ubuntu faq/wiki/forums I guess
[05:00] <SilverDawn> well theres the huge meta sudo apt-get install ubuntu-restricted-extras
[05:00] <Jordan_U> almostdvs, What is the output of "ls -l ~/.Xauthority" ?
[05:00] <SilverDawn> but like... i dont need most of that
[05:01] <gluer> i do :-)
[05:01] <almostdvs> Jordan_U -rw------- 1 root root 0 2008-04-03 14:46 /home/cody/.Xauthority
[05:01] <Random> On LaunchPad, theres different statuses on bugs... when should these statuses be changed? Like for example, if someone filed a bug, and I had the same issue, does that mean I should set the status to "confirmed"?
[05:02] <cwillu> almostdvs, stop running non terminal programs with sudo (you _need_ to use gksudo, unless you know how to and enjoy fixing .Xauthority junk) :p
[05:03] <Dr_willis> Ya know.. its annoying how dolphin is getting launched as the default file manager. when ive set KONQUEROR up as the default file manager in several spots...
[05:03] <Jordan_U> almostdvs, That should be owned by you, the ownership of this file is often modified to root when GUI apps are run with sudo rather than gksudo, to fix it run "sudo chown cody:cody ~/.Xauthority"
[05:03] <cwillu> doing things directly as root will break it as well (if you set a password or used sudo options to bring up the shell)
[05:03] <nomasteryoda> Dr_willis, i agree
[05:03] <almostdvs> cwillu i can't think of any non terminal programs i have even started with terminal
[05:03] <J-_> I just enabled backports. Now I have a whole bunch of packages ready to be installed. Including libc6, should I install?
[05:04] <nomasteryoda> i hate the new kde4 konqueror too... the options i use every day... like rt-click, move or copy are gone
[05:04] <cwillu> J-_, you don't want to just enable backports
[05:04] <cwillu> J-_, there's a way you can add it such that it won't use it by default
[05:04] <Jordan_U> almostdvs, Have you used any third party scripts ( most of which are unfortunately poorly made )?
[05:04] <cwillu> or you can just download particular deb's that you want
[05:05] <cwillu> but just adding the backports repo and hitting upgrade is a good way to break weird and wonderful things :)
[05:05] <J-_> cwillu: Okay, I'll cancel the installation then. Figured VMware would be in there.
[05:05] <almostdvs> i have a broken gdm and use this workaround,  https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/ubuntustudio-look/+bug/211241
[05:05] <ubotu> Launchpad bug 211241 in ubuntustudio-look "gdmgreeter crashed with SIGSEGV in g_build_filename()" [Medium,New]
[05:06] <White_Magic> So do i need to do "Full-Upgrade" ?
[05:06] <cwillu> J-_, I don't know the exact url, but it should be something like adding a low priority to the backport repo in /etc/apt/preferences or something like that)
[05:06] <almostdvs> but i've changed from ubuntustudio look to human
[05:06] <J-_> cwillu: Cool, thanks dude. I'll check it out.
[05:07] <dotech> after the partitioning failures with the installer i managed to get hardy installed, and it works perfectly so far!
[05:08] <almostdvs> thanks, Jordan_U  the chown enabled the update to initiate
[05:09] <DanaG> Heh, is blue itself just gloomy?
[05:09] <DanaG> Every blue theme I make seems gloomy, or at best, not-cheerful.
[05:10] <SilverDawn> umm
[05:10] <SilverDawn> since brasero transcodes and then burns
[05:10] <cwillu> maybe something in baby blue DanaG ?
[05:10] <SilverDawn> Does the transcoding actually effect the real files?
[05:10] <SilverDawn> :|
[05:10] <DanaG> The Fedora 8 blue is nice and bright, but it's distinctly non-Ubuntu.
[05:11] <DanaG> I guess it's orange for me.
[05:11] <DanaG> ... except in Windows.  I haven't found any nice orange Windowblinds themes.
[05:11] <Gnine> ubuntu brown is more ubuntuish than blue
[05:11] <dotech> my favorite color is orange, i had to pick this distro
[05:11] <J-_> Man, I really wish there was an option in the updater/ synaptic to show when updated packages were updated.
[05:11] <Dr_willis> SilverDawn,  it shouldent touch your original files
[05:11] <SilverDawn> Dr_willis, alrighty
[05:12] <J-_> Or, the time when they were added to the repos
[05:12] <Dr_willis> It does seem my testing machine.. is a bit flakier now then it was a few days ago.. heh
[05:12] <Gnine> update-manager does tell how long ago was (...) last updated
[05:13] <J-_> Gnine: Weird, can't see anything like that. Maybe I'm blind =)
[05:14] <Gnine> right in thy interface..
[05:15] <DanaG> Wow, I just installed -14 kernel yesterday.
[05:15] <DanaG> Now there's a -15-generic.
[05:15] <tanner_> thats one of the annoying things about ubuntu
[05:15] <tyron> Hi i installed virtualbox and virtualbox modules, rebooted and now im in low graphics mode and network devices not being detected? i have also uninstalled the changes to fix but did not work
[05:16] <tanner_> tyron: sounds like a kernel problem
[05:16] <DanaG> ... and still no CGROUP option set.
[05:16] <dotech> hrm ffx 3 froze
[05:16] <cwillu> cgroup?
[05:17] <tyron> tanner: does ubuntu have anything like system restore?
[05:17] <tanner_> tyron: did you recently update ubuntu which required a restart?
[05:17] <DanaG> https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/linux/+bug/188226
[05:17] <ubotu> Launchpad bug 188226 in linux "Kernel should use CONFIG_FAIR_CGROUP_SCHED" [High,Triaged]
[05:17] <Gnine> no matter.. you dont hAVe to be up with 'latest' kernel.. just give it time..
[05:17] <tyron> tanner: no, i did do an update but did not need a restart, after installing the virtualbox modules it needed a estart though
[05:18] <cwillu> DanaG, ah, yes, that piece of travesty
[05:18] <tanner_> the virtual box modules should not need a restart, and i am not aware of a system restore like option
[05:19] <tyron> tanner: what is my best opton to try fix it? the laptop cant access network anymore but i do have discs
[05:20] <cwillu> DanaG, try the server kernel?
[05:20] <tanner_> hmm
[05:21] <DanaG> What else is different between server and generic?
[05:21] <tanner_> tyron: i have a feeling the solution will not be simple
[05:21] <Thib_> hi folks
[05:21] <Thib_> I'm back
[05:21] <tanner_> DanaG: server likely doesnt include things not necessary on a server machine
[05:21] <Thib_> well, I did find something very interesting
[05:21] <Thib_> this: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/linux/+bug/201180
[05:21] <ubotu> Launchpad bug 201180 in linux "[hardy] kernel 2.6.24-12 breaks wireless (atheros)" [Medium,Triaged]
[05:22] <DanaG> Heh, would you call this ugly?  I might.    http://www.notebookreview.com/default.asp?newsID=4339
[05:22] <tyron> tanner_: that sucks, i have just got everything working perfectly and made the full move to linux and i may have to start again
[05:23] <Thib_> ostensibly, that would be why my new laptop with an Atheros wireless interface doesn't seem to work.
[05:23] <cwillu> preemption is turned off, and a lower timer rate (100hz instead of 250hz)
[05:23] <Thib_> since 8.04 Beta currently sports 2.6.24-12
[05:23] <tanner_> tyron: we may be able to help with more detailed information as to whats going on. are you able to be on that machine and talk here at the same time?
[05:23] <dotech> oh man, sirius doesn't work in ffx3 :\
[05:23] <Thib_> so one of my problems can apparently be fixed by installing 2.6.24-11
[05:24] <Thib_> dotech: oh no, I like my Sirius :-|
[05:24] <Thib_> how does one go about making a given version of the kernel available at boot time?
[05:24] <tyron> tanner_: Yes i have stolen the girlfriends laptop
[05:24] <dotech> i have a headphone amp hooked up via usb and i set it as the default playback device, did the sound output test and hear it clearly
[05:24] <dotech> yet no sound from sirius :\
[05:24] <tanner_> tyron: alright, what video card do you have
[05:24] <Thib_> (I've only ever updated it via your-average-user updates, upwards)
[05:25] <tyron> tanner_: Nvidia geforce 7300 GO
[05:25] <dotech> i know their media player is horrible and doesn't conform to any standards, so im wondering how i can get around this now
[05:25] <ptr771> i am getting an error 15 from Grub after some auto updates and a restart -- can anyone help?
[05:25] <akk> DanaG: I think that's for artists who have no taste in colors
[05:25] <tanner_> tyron: how did you install the drivers?
[05:26] <tyron> tanner_: I didnt they just worked "out of the box"
[05:26] <Thib_> if anybody knows what magic apt-get command I could run...
[05:26] <ptr771> Seems to be the two later kernels 2.6.24-14 and 2.6.24-15 , 2.6.24-12 still seems to work
[05:26] <tanner_> alright, have you tried resetting the resolution? system -> preferences -> screen resolution
[05:27] <tyron> tanner_: Yes, and it doesnt give me any options. i also tried selecting the card and drive - logged back out and in but still same
[05:28] <dotech> Thib_: strange, it have audio when i click "Test" but when i go to the Sounds tab and try testing the sounds i don't hear anything
[05:29] <tanner_> tyron: sounds like your kernel upgrade has broken quite a few things
[05:29] <DanaG> Some of these are a bit nicer:  http://www.mtv-tama.com/
[05:29] <tyron> tanner_: can i "downgrade using the disc?
[05:29] <DanaG> Oh wait: on the audio thing:
[05:29] <DanaG> Perhaps PulseAudio is using the wrong device.
[05:30] <dotech> i have USB Audio selected for mine since it is a usb audio device
[05:30] <dotech> and i hear the sounds when i click Test
[05:30] <tanner_> tyron: dont believe so, however you already have the older packages on your system most likely
[05:30] <dotech> yet when i test the system action sounds i hear nothing, also nothing from anything else
[05:30] <tanner_> tyron: you *can* try (although we dont actually support it) using Envy to restore your video
[05:32] <tyron> tanner_: I dont no what that is? i think i install some sort of virtual kernel uname -r shows 2.6.24-14-virtual
[05:32] <Thib_> I need to install an older kernel than 8.04 beta ships with, how can I do that?
[05:32] <tanner_> hmm
[05:33] <tyron> tanner_: ifthe origional kernel is there could i rebuild it?
[05:33] <akk> Maybe try copying a kernel .deb from gutsy and installing it with dpkg -i ? (I don't know what deps kernel packages have, but it might work)
[05:34] <tanner_> tyron: does your grub boot menu not show the other kernel versions?
[05:34] <akk> (my suggestion was for Thib_)
[05:34] <tyron> tanner_: my grub does not show, ill reboot and make it show
[05:38] <tyron> tanner_: Yes. i booted in to the "generic one this time same issue though
[05:45] <Jordan_U> Is FF3b5 not packaged yet or is my mirror just behind?
[05:46] <Thib_> akk: something along those lines ... can you be more specific? I'm not very good
[05:46] <DG19075> I'm running FF 3b5 here
[05:46] <tyron> tanner_: You got it, i managed to boot in to the the kernel that was there before i ruined everything. there is about 30 kernels listed how do i get rid of all the ones i dont want?
[05:47] <Thib_> akk: I've been browsing things like http://packages.ubuntu.com/hardy/allpackages trying to find the magic package and hoping I can download it, bring it to the machine in question (which can't get online, right) and run some dpkg command.
[05:47] <Jordan_U> DG19075, What mirror are you using?
[05:47] <Flannel> tyron: remove their packages
[05:47] <DG19075> getting straighht from mozilla
[05:47] <Dr_willis> or set grub to only show the latest 3 kernels or so. :)
[05:48] <DG19075> but having a hell of a time trying to get 3b5 to run Java
[05:48] <Dr_willis> I was also having some firefox java issues eralier today
[05:48] <akk> Thib_: If you have a gutsy (or older) install sitting around, you probably have a kernel package sitting there, e.g. /var/cache/apt/archives/linux-image-2.6.22-14-generic_2.6.22-14.52_i386.deb
[05:48] <LibertyShadow> FF 3b4 crashes hotmail for me... its okay though, because gmail is better :D
[05:49] <akk> Thib_: I got that with: locate locate linux | fgrep .deb
[05:49] <Thib_> right, good iead
[05:49] <akk> Thib_: so if you do that on an older debian system, it'll show you kernel packages you have sitting around
[05:49] <tyron> Flannel: so if i just remove all kenels except for what uname -r shows now i should be ok?
[05:49] <Thib_> the one I'm speaking from now, yes
[05:49] <DanaG> Leave at least one old one, though.
[05:49] <Thib_> the machine I'm trying to ... teleport a little back in time can't get online
[05:49] <akk> Thib_: then take one of those, stick it on the new system and try dpkg -i whatever.deb and see if it works :)
[05:50] <Thib_> akk: okay, yes, I hope it does
[05:50] <Thib_> er, wait
[05:50] <DG19075> just trying to figure out how to do the symlinks so a Java install for 3b5 takes
[05:50] <Thib_> so the machine I'm on now (Gutsy) is i386
[05:50] <akk> Thib_: Can it read a usb stick or floppy or something? (actually these are probably way too big for a floppy)
[05:50] <Flannel> tyron: I'd keep at least one old one (keep one known good one, and then the latest), but yes.
[05:50] <Thib_> the machine I'm trying to fix is amd64 with multiple cores/cpus
[05:50] <Thib_> yes, it can read a USB stick, I was going to bring it that way
[05:51] <akk> Thib_: It will probably still work (the other way wouldn't work, but amd64 can probably use a regular x86 kernel)
[05:51] <Thib_> those aren't the same kernels, right?
[05:51] <DanaG> Heh, try moving the mouse and then simultaneously clicking the button.....
[05:51] <DanaG> it'll be late.
[05:51] <Thib_> well, but I wouldn't want to go to a single-core kernel or to 32 bits ... unless I become too desperate
[05:51] <akk> Thib_: I'm not sure, honestly, if 64-bit libs and a 32-bit kernel will work together, but it should be easy to try
[05:51] <Thib_> okay
[05:51] <tyron> Flannel: what is the latest i have booted in to 2.26.24-12
[05:52] <akk> Thib_: (I'm on an amd64 right now, but I installed a regular x86 ubuntu because I want to be able to run java and flash and google earth)
[05:52] <Flannel> tyron: Latest is whatever the current one is.  Just always wise to keep more than one, incase you discove some problem with the most recent, you can use the older one that you haven't found a problem with yet.
[05:52] <nomasteryoda> replace 14 with 15 for me
[05:52] <nomasteryoda> but not restartedyet...
[05:52] <Thib_> akk: well, funny you should say this...
[05:53] <Thib_> akk: so... I just got this amd64 laptop
[05:53] <DG19075> Has anyone gotten Java to work in Firefox 3b5 yet?
[05:53] <Thib_> akk: (it's my first non-32-bit, non-single-core machine)
[05:53] <Thib_> akk: Java doesn't work on it?
[05:53] <Thib_> or Flash?
[05:53] <Jordan_U> DG19075, What mirror are you using?
[05:53] <akk> Thib_: they may be better now ... it was 6 months ago or so when I tried it (or maybe longer) and none of them were available for 64-bit then
[05:54] <DG19075> usually use  the US mirror
[05:54] <Thib_> akk: oh... :-\
[05:54] <Thib_> hmm
[05:54] <akk> Thib_: and ubuntu has some compat libs but they only work if you're willing to set up a chroot (sounded like way too much work to me)
[05:54] <Thib_> er, for me too :-)
[05:54] <mesilliac> akk: are you sure you need to set up a chroot? I thought it was all automatic now
[05:54] <Thib_> [grunt]
[05:55] <Thib_> okay
[05:55] <dotech> even though i changed my sound to USB Audio, if i run alsamixer it defaults to the Realtek onboard chip
[05:55] <akk> mesilliac: as I said, this was 6 months ago or so ... maybe it's better now
[05:55] <Thib_> let me ask something else
[05:55] <dotech> i wonder if that is why i don't hear any sound
[05:55] <Thib_> so the reason I need to "downgrade" my kernel is because of this: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/linux/+bug/201180
[05:55] <ubotu> Launchpad bug 201180 in linux "[hardy] kernel 2.6.24-12 breaks wireless (atheros)" [Medium,Triaged]
[05:55] <Thib_> but I see that there are 2.6.24-15 and 2.6.24-16 packages for Hardy now
[05:56] <Thib_> would those have fixed this bug?
[05:56] <Thib_> (I presume not unless the bug report says it's fixed)
[05:56] <Thib_> (which it doesn't) :-(
[05:56] <mesilliac> if the bug report doesn't say it's been fixed, it probably hasn't :)
[05:56] <akk> Thib_: The bug is status triaged, not fixed, so right, what mesilliac says
[05:57] <DG19075> If there's another mirror that has workable Java for ths, it'd be helpful....
[05:57] <Thib_> right :-(
[05:57] <akk> Thib_: You can probably get the amd64 packages for linux-image-$version from here: http://packages.ubuntu.com/gutsy-updates/base/
[05:58] <ethana2> another day, another convert
[05:58] <ethana2> *sigh*
[05:58] <ethana2> i hope this goes well....
[05:59] <Thib_> akk: right, thanks, I'm digging through it now
[05:59] <Thib_> akk: parenthetically, here: https://sdlc5a.sun.com/ECom/EComActionServlet;jsessionid=93BD0E84C8D97A72D999450EF331934A
[05:59] <akk> Thib_: Hmm, actually I'm not seeing an amd64 version either there or in http://packages.ubuntu.com/gutsy/base/
[05:59] <Thib_> (bad URL, no cookie)
[05:59] <Thib_> akk: it says there's a "Linux x64" version
[06:00] <akk> oh, cool
[06:00] <Thib_> (but it says "use 32-bit version for applets and WebStart)
[06:00] <akk> though I worry less about java than flash and google earth
[06:00] <Thib_> fair statement :-)
[06:00] <akk> oh, applets are the only java I do lately
[06:01] <Thib_> I worry about Java because all my work is in Java and Eclipse, so, without Java or with a crippled Java, it's going to be hard to go to my boss and justify the brick I just bought.
[06:01] <Jordan_U> Thib_, If nothing else you can setup a 32 bit chroot
[06:02] <akk> Thib_: This says it's for x86_64 ... is that amd64? http://packages.ubuntu.com/gutsy/base/linux-backports-modules-2.6.22-14-rt
[06:02] <Thib_> Jordan_U: that's what akk said -- is it difficult? (sounds difficult)
[06:02] <Thib_> well, I don't want the -rt patch
[06:02] <Jordan_U> !chroot | Thib_
[06:02] <ubotu> Thib_: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/DebootstrapChroot use this to build 32 bit environments on a 64 bit box
[06:02] <Thib_> but I was wondering the same thing about http://packages.ubuntu.com/gutsy/linux-image-2.6.22-14-generic
[06:03] <Jordan_U> Thib_, It's fairly difficult, any reason that you need to be running 64 bit Ubuntu?
[06:03] <xtknight> w00t.  on hardy now.  after fedora and suse failed to even boot.  hardy on the other hand worked (w/ safe gfx mode) and nvidia/window effects/multi monitor support out of the box.  i'm thrilled :D
[06:04] <nomasteryoda> xtknight, cool
[06:04] <Thib_> Jordan_U: well, uh, not intentionally... it's just that my new laptop has a Turion X2
[06:04] <nomasteryoda> hardy is quite impressive
[06:04] <xtknight> yes i think it's a big step up from previous versions
[06:04] <xtknight> drive mounting looks to be more systematic now..
[06:04] <Thib_> akk: I found the answer
[06:04] <nomasteryoda> ya
[06:04] <xtknight> i mount something it actually appears in My Computer.  there is a link between fstab and hal now
[06:04] <nomasteryoda> lots of polish
[06:05] <Jordan_U> Thib_, 32 bit operating systems can be run on 64 bit hardware
[06:05] <dotech> wow, i just listened to /bin/bash
[06:05] <nomasteryoda> will be a big party on the 24th
[06:05] <Thib_> akk: yes, x86_64 means "amd64", because I see in the description of the package on my amd64 machine has the same description
[06:05] <dotech> that was not pleasant.
[06:05] <nomasteryoda> hehe
[06:05] <akk> Thib_: ah, good
[06:05] <Dr_willis> xtknight,  that can be annoying at times also. :)
[06:05] <xtknight> Dr_willis: ooh yeah?
[06:05] <xtknight> amd64 cpus can run all 32bit code altho some 64-bit native cpus can not necessarily run 32bit code.  im not sure about the itanium
[06:05] <Jordan_U> dotech, "cat /bin/bash > /dev/dsp" ?
[06:05] <dotech> cat /bin/bash > /dev/dsp1 == i hear binary
[06:05] <dotech> haha yea
[06:05] <Thib_> Jordan_U: well, yes, of course... you can also set up your 500GB hard drive to use only the first 250GB and leave the other 250GB alone...
[06:05] <Dr_willis> xtknight,  every *&&@ fusesmb, or fuseWhatever mount i was doing kept poping up filemanager windows for me the other day
[06:06] <dotech> i think thats why i don't have sound :)
[06:06] <dotech> my device is dsp1, not dsp
[06:06] <xtknight> Dr_willis: ah well yeah it autoopens a window.
[06:06] <Thib_> it's not so much what I can do I'm worried about, it's just that I feel bad having to leave behind some of the benefit of a new machine.
[06:06] <xtknight> Dr_willis: but it's not too bad, i'd rather it do that than not show anything in my computer i guess
[06:06] <Cpudan80> Hello all
[06:06] <Cpudan80> I tried the HH beta today
[06:06] <Dr_willis> xtknight,  and if you were vnc'd in or using remote xdmcp. it shows up on EVERY users desktop.
[06:06] <Cpudan80> Minor problem
[06:07] <nomasteryoda> Dr_willis, that's not nice
[06:07] <Dr_willis> xtknight,  so the fix for a 'singgle user' just borked the  multi-user stuff. :)
[06:07] <Jordan_U> Thib_, Except that for most uses ( see: almost anything but rendering and number crunching ) there isn't much of an advantage to using 64 bit
[06:07] <Cpudan80> I have my laptop's screen resolution set to 1024x768 --- but the external monitor should be at 1280x1024
[06:07] <xtknight> Dr_willis: ah hmm
[06:07] <hotmonkeyluv> Where are screen savers installed to in Hardy?
[06:07] <nomasteryoda> esp if you have some documents you don't want others to see
[06:07] <Dr_willis> So its  'user friendlyness' at the cost of other annoyances..
[06:07] <xtknight> Dr_willis: but only one of the multiusers would have to close it.  at least in case of vnc right?
[06:07] <Cpudan80> That works ok ---- but the gnome panels and menus and stuff don't take up the full screen
[06:07] <hydrogen> for almost all cases
[06:07] <xtknight> Dr_willis: or does each of these multiusers haev a unique login
[06:07] <hydrogen> 64bit is more of a headache
[06:07] <xtknight> so that it appears on all
[06:07] <hydrogen> than a help
[06:07] <Dr_willis> xtknight,  but if one of the other users happened to open it. then you cant unmount the thing.
[06:07] <Cpudan80> Like the menu bar is in the middle of the screen on the bigger monitor (vs on the bottom)
[06:07] <nomasteryoda> hotmonkeyluv, System, Preferences, Screensaver
[06:07] <Dr_willis> xtknight,  ive seen it both ways.
[06:07] <nomasteryoda> ?
[06:07] <decay> how do i check to see which hard drive is sda, sdb, sdc, etc
[06:08] <xtknight> Cpudan80: do you have two monitors?
[06:08] <Dr_willis> xtknight,  i went to the upstairs machine and it had about a dozen 'what do you want to do with this disk' dialogs.. :)
[06:08] <xtknight> decay: right click the drive icon and it's on one of the tabs
[06:08] <xtknight> Dr_willis: lol
[06:08] <hotmonkeyluv> nomasteryoda: I meant the actually directory, like /usr/bin/hacked/again
[06:08] <nomasteryoda> ah
[06:08] <xtknight> Dr_willis: it's just asking for all the uesrs' opinions? :P
[06:08] <Cpudan80> xtknight: yeah
[06:09] <xtknight> Cpudan80: ok well have you ever installed a video driver before?
[06:09] <Dr_willis> of coruse right now, removeable media - is defaulting to using the Dolphin file manager . not konqueror for me.
[06:09] <decay> xtknight: it isnt =[
[06:09] <Cpudan80> xtknight: On hardy no -- I just tried the live CD
[06:09] <xtknight> decay, weird looks like they removed this from hardy?
[06:09] <redwhitewaldo>  which version of flash should i install. Firefox is giving me these 2 options: gnash and adobe.
[06:10] <Cpudan80> But yes I have installed the ATI drivers on GG
[06:10] <Dr_willis> id rather have a  nice mounting tool..  then try to clone how windows handles removeabel media.
[06:10] <jcarey75> Anyone have an idea why the system monitor shows 494 GiB as total space of / with 406 GiB Free, but / is only using 12 GB (per file system properties), I installed to 1 partition ( / ) and emptied trash for root and the user account.
[06:10] <decay> xtknight: maybe. the problem im having is gnome is auto mounting my drives, and then i cant really browse through them. so i wanna add them to fstab
[06:10] <xtknight> Cpudan80: oh ok.  well when you install it you can use the Restricted Drivers Manager ("jockey") to  install ati drivers ("fglrx"
[06:11] <xtknight> Cpudan80:  then you can use Screens and Graphics under other tools (or something like that) to configure each of your screens properly. and be sure to pay attention to whether you enable widescreen.
[06:11] <nomasteryoda> hotmonkeyluv, /usr/lib/xscreensaver
[06:11] <Jordan_U> redwhitewaldo, Unless your initials are RMS you probably want to choose adobe ( for now at least :)
[06:11] <hotmonkeyluv> nomasteryoda: thanks!
[06:12] <redwhitewaldo> Jordan_U: what's RMS?
[06:12] <Dr_willis> !rms
[06:12] <ubotu> rms is Richard Matthew Stallman, founder of the GNU project. See !gnu and also http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Richard_Stallman
[06:12] <nomasteryoda> you can launch anyone of those in a window
[06:12] <redwhitewaldo> Jordan_U: why is adobe better?
[06:12] <Dr_willis> adobe is the OFFICIAL/REAL flash
[06:12] <redwhitewaldo> ok. thanks.
[06:12] <redwhitewaldo> i'll install that then.
[06:13] <hydrogen> rms is one hell of a zealot
[06:13] <Jordan_U> redwhitewaldo, Richard M. Stallman :)
[06:13] <hydrogen> thats tha best way to describe him
[06:13] <Dr_willis> you may want to install the 'ubuntu-restricted-extras' package also
[06:13] <Cpudan80> xtknight: My ATI card wasn't supported by fglrx in GG
[06:13] <Cpudan80> It's an old Radeon 7500
[06:13] <xtknight> o
[06:13] <xtknight> hmm
[06:13] <xtknight> well i think there's a new radeonhd driver
[06:13] <xtknight> but i dunno if that supports 7500?
[06:13] <xtknight> i'm assuming not
[06:14] <nomasteryoda> hotmonkeyluv, this one is fun to put on the screen in a smaller window... hehe  /usr/lib/xscreensaver/sonar
[06:14] <Cpudan80> xtknight: But either way - I should be able to use the opensource driver right?
[06:14] <Cpudan80> And just config the screen?
[06:14] <xtknight> Cpudan80: i'm not sure.  but ya if it supports multi monitors, ya
[06:14] <hotmonkeyluv> nomasteryoda: how do you do that
[06:14] <Cpudan80> I didn't see screens and graphics in the system menu
[06:14] <Cpudan80> Yeah it supports multi-monitors
[06:15] <hotmonkeyluv> nomasteryoda: wait
[06:15] <hotmonkeyluv> nomasteryoda: I got it, silly me
[06:15] <nomasteryoda> hehe
[06:15] <xtknight> Cpudan80: i saw mine, used it a little, installed some updates, then it disappeared :\
[06:15] <xtknight> cmdline is displayconfig-gtk
[06:15] <nomasteryoda> if you use the & on the end of the command it will go "background" and still run ... so you can use the terminal for other things
[06:15] <xtknight> rather "gksu displayconfig-gtk"
[06:16] <Cpudan80> xtknight: I'll check it out
[06:16] <xtknight> Cpudan80: you on the livecd right now?
[06:16] <Cpudan80> no
[06:17] <Cpudan80> And it takes so long to boot --- I really dont want to do it :-/
[06:17] <xtknight> doh
[06:17] <xtknight> because of pc specs or a bug?
[06:17] <Cpudan80> PC specs
[06:17] <Cpudan80> slow CD drive
[06:17] <Cpudan80> it takes like 2-3 mins
[06:18] <Cpudan80> The HDD install (of GG) is quite good
[06:18] <xtknight> 2-3 mins ? not bad
[06:18] <akk> Are there machines where booting from a live CD is fast? I've never seen one.
[06:18] <xtknight> my pc is about the same and i'd consider it fairly state of the art
[06:19] <akk> of course, part of why it's slow is that ubuntu does way too much at boot time then loads a big bloated gnome desktop :)
[06:19] <nomasteryoda> hotmonkeyluv, thanks... i had forgotten about that feature... now my glslideshow can run right on the desktop... hehe as a window
[06:20] <hotmonkeyluv> nomasteryoda: I'm trying to get glmatrix to play as my desktop
[06:20] <GhotiPhud> did anyone else have breakage during today's updates?
[06:20] <hotmonkeyluv> GhotiPhud: nope
[06:20] <nomasteryoda> ah hotmonkeyluv might be kinda difficult.. the cmatrix workss ok for that
[06:20] <xtknight> what kind of breakage?
[06:20] <GhotiPhud> my hard drive won't complete the check now
[06:20] <DG19075> No breakage, but Java doesn't work in FF 3b5
[06:20] <GhotiPhud> get's to like 15% then dies out
[06:21] <GhotiPhud> reboots the computer
[06:21] <hotmonkeyluv> nomasteryoda: oh, thanks
[06:21] <GhotiPhud> if I skip it, I can boot fine
[06:21] <hotmonkeyluv> nomasteryoda: I was having a tab bit o' trouble
[06:21] <nomasteryoda> and most of the 3d stuff with gl makes issues with compiz... so the fusion-icon comes in handy for switching it off... on my intel graphics based laptop at least
[06:22] <GhotiPhud> I think my problem may be that it died during the upgrades
[06:22] <GhotiPhud> but I've updated all the way now
[06:22] <redwhitewaldo> Dr_willis: why should one install ubuntu-restricted packages too?
[06:23] <hotmonkeyluv> nomasteryoda: how can I get cmatrix to play *as* the desktop and not on it?
[06:23] <Dr_willis> redwhitewaldo,  it grabs a lot of this stuff, java, flash, codecs, othe bits..
[06:23] <nomasteryoda> hang on hotmonkeyluv
[06:23] <Dr_willis> saves a lot of time ane people asking questions :)
[06:24] <Jordan_U> nomasteryoda, I've made a script that disables compiz ( if it is running ) , runs the command passed to it in the arguments, then re-enables compiz after the command finishes and I use it for all of my launchers to 3D apps
[06:24] <dotech> is there a way to force firefox to use /dev/audio1?
[06:25] <dotech> seems like no matter what i do the system continues to use /dev/audio or /dev/dsp
[06:25] <os2mac> linke /dev/audio1 to /dev/audio?
[06:25] <nomasteryoda> Jordan_U, nice...
[06:25] <nomasteryoda> i use compiz-switch on my gutsy install...
[06:26] <x1250> Jordan_U: could you upload somwhere that script? If you want, ofcourse...
[06:27] <nomasteryoda> http://lifehacker.com/software/linux-tip/use-a-screensaver-as-desktop-wallpaper-299410.php
[06:27] <nomasteryoda> that's the method i used... before hotmonkeyluv
[06:27] <nomasteryoda> time to snooze... gn
[06:27] <Jordan_U> x1250, Sure, I hacked it together quickly in perl, so don't expect much
[06:28] <x1250> thanks :D
[06:29] <hotmonkeyluv> nomasteryoda: thanks!
[06:29] <DanaG> fun thing to do with hard drives:
[06:29] <DanaG> cat them piped into aplay.
[06:29] <Jordan_U> x1250, http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/62215/
[06:29] <dotech> haha man
[06:29] <nomasteryoda> DanaG, lol
[06:29] <dotech> when i first connect the usb device i hear this crazy jungle music
[06:30] <gaminggeek> anyone here got a tablet to work on hardy?
[06:30] <dotech> i know im so close to getting this to work
[06:31] <akk> gaminggeek: someone pointed earlier to https://answers.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+question/28084
[06:31] <os2mac> DanaG:  forgive my ignorance but what would that do?
[06:32] <DanaG> Or rather, cat partitions to the sound card that way.
[06:32] <DanaG> Different file systems sound different.
[06:32] <dotech> haha
[06:33] <gaminggeek> akk: sorry but that is useless
[06:33] <forrest> hi, I just installed virtualbox and the gui looks bad, is there a QT package I'm missing or something maybe? the gui looks real chunky :p
[06:33] <dotech> anyway, im trying to listen to some  breakbeats, not bash
[06:33] <dotech> when i plug in my usb audio device it plays jungle music for 5 seconds :)
[06:33] <dotech> i know it works
[06:33] <x1250> Jordan_U: thanks, I'll try it later :)
[06:34] <dotech> but for some reason no other audio is getting directed to it unless i manually redirect something to /dev/audio1
[06:34] <dotech> in syslog i get 1 strange message, alsa-util.c: Cannot find fallback mixer control "Mic".
[06:34] <dotech> from pulseaudio
[06:36] <Jordan_U> x1250, np
[06:43] <DanaG> wtf? quodlibet won't play anything!
[06:43] <DanaG> Fri Apr  4 22:43:21 2008: GStreamer encountered a general resource error.
[06:43] <woodwizzle> Whats the best way to make a USB hard drive a permanent part of my filesystem? Should I just manually edit my fstab?
[06:44] <gaminggeek> why do you want to do that?
[06:44] <gaminggeek> and yes fstab would be your best shot
[06:44] <woodwizzle> gaminggeek: Its a 750gb drive that I keep all my movies, music, fonts etc and misc data on
[06:45] <gaminggeek> do you want to mount it to /home/woodwizzle/stuff rather than /media/stuff?
[06:46] <akk> You might need to make a udev rule so the specific drive is recognized.
[06:46] <woodwizzle> gaminggeek: Not sure really. In the past it has been /media/stuff, I'm running a 1 user system
[06:47] <woodwizzle> I want to make it part of the filesystem so banshee knows where my music is, and tracker or beagle knows what to index
[06:48] <woodwizzle> editing my fstab is no prob. I've done it tons in the past. But there really should be a GUI for this kinda thing I think. A lot of desktop users have a large backup or media drive connected at all times
[06:49] <woodwizzle> gaminggeek: Why do you ask where I want to mount it? Is there something I'm not considering?
[06:49] <akk> Adding an fstab line is easy. The only tricky part is figuring out where the disk will be, e.g. will it always be /dev/sda or whatever
[06:50] <bastid_raZor> akk; use UUID then
[06:50] <akk> for that, you might want to add a rule like the ones in /etc/udev/rules.d/65-persistent-storage.rules
[06:51] <woodwizzle> ooh, there is a gui. Just right click on the drive under computer, then click preferences. Its under the Volume tab
[06:51] <akk> yeah, or uuid, that's another way
[06:52] <dotech> i think my problem is pulseaudio
[06:53] <mindframe> how do i go back to the ubuntu nvidia driver after i've compiled/installed the one directly from nvidia?
[06:54] <dotech> yea pulse is definitely my problem
[06:59] <dotech> ok so maybe this question is easier
[06:59] <dotech> How do I set the device that pulse audio uses?
[06:59] <dotech> I know its sending all audio to my onboard audio chip now because I hear sirius through it
[07:05] <xtknight> does anyone else get oddly huge fonts in firefox
[07:05] <xtknight> like 'next' and 'previous' on a google reuslts page are huge/
[07:08] <jcarey75> xtknight they do look a little bigger
[07:08] <xtknight> jcarey75, well mine look giant
[07:08] <xtknight> like size hmm 40?
[07:08] <xtknight> should be about 16 i think
[07:09] <jcarey75> Yeah, mine are set at  in content, fonts & colors, but I changed the default to FreeSans
[07:09] <jcarey75> set at 16
[07:13] <xtknight> jcarey75, like this? http://img31.picoodle.com/img/img31/4/4/4/f_bigfontsm_e41c2be.jpg
[07:13] <xtknight> jcarey75, could be my AdBlock extension i'm not sure.
[07:13] <xtknight> my font size is set to default in FF, and i didnt touch fonts controls
[07:13] <jcarey75> xtknight, Ha!  I would definitely have noticed that!
[07:14] <xtknight> lol
[07:14] <jcarey75> I'm using 3.0b4
[07:15] <xtknight> same.  stock.  still happens w/ adblock disabled
[07:15] <xtknight> it scales proportional to my font size but there's no reason it's that big to begin with
[07:15] <T1m0thy> Why isn't FF upgraded yet?
[07:15] <xtknight> unless someone at google decided to play a prank on me or something
[07:16] <xtknight> i think ubuntuforums have the same huge font size where they shouldnt
[07:16] <xtknight> hmm i did install microsoft TTF fonts from ubuntu-restricted-extras
[07:16] <xtknight> but..
[07:17] <jcarey75> I did too
[07:18] <Fritzel> what utility do you use to configure runlevels?
[07:20] <macogw> when are translation strings due?
[07:20] <macogw> oh wait
[07:20] <macogw> this is a universe package
[07:21] <xtknight> LanguagePackTranslationDeadline April 17
[07:22] <xtknight> NonLanguagePackTranslationDeadline April 10, depends
[07:29] <Thib_> well :-(
[07:29] <Thib_> it seems that my wireless adapter doesn't work with anything
[07:29] <Thib_> Gutsy or Hardy, x86 or amd64.
[07:30] <Thib_> from Google searches there is circumstantial evidence I'm not alone.
[07:30] <Thib_> I guess that in the mean time I'll get a USB wireless card
[07:30] <Thib_> :-|
[07:31] <Thib_> of course even if I had wireless my graphics card isn't working either, but that's another story
[07:31] <Thib_> thanks everyone, laterz
[07:34] <Jordan_U> !boot | Fritzel ( BTW, upstart does not have a concept of runlevels )
[07:34] <ubotu> Fritzel ( BTW, upstart does not have a concept of runlevels ): Boot options: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/BootOptions - To add/remove startup services, you can use the package 'bum', or update-rc.d - To add your own startup scripts, use /etc/rc.local - See also !grub and !dualboot - Making a boot floppy: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/GrubHowto/BootFloppy - Also see https://help.ubuntu.com/community/SmartBootManagerHowto
[07:34] <Dr_willis> he wil have to wait for Intoxicated Ibix i guess? :)
[07:42] <shirish> can somebody look at this bug https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/linux/+bug/212093
[07:42] <ubotu> Launchpad bug 212093 in linux "GDM not working while booting hardy kernel 2.6.24-15-generic" [Undecided,New]
[07:42] <shirish> and lemme know if any more info. is needed.
[07:44] <Cheetah> morning
[07:44] <SuperQ> yup
[07:45] <Cheetah> is there a detailed list of changes/changelog for ubuntu 8.04? I'm curious about which libs changed, etc
[07:45] <SuperQ> eek
[07:45] <SuperQ> that's gonna be 1000 packages long
[07:46] <Cheetah> hmm, so what? :D
[07:46] <SuperQ> Cheetah: do you want to know between 6.06 or 7.10?
[07:46] <Cheetah> 7.10 -> 8.04
[07:46] <SuperQ> I suppose you could automate some kind of diff
[07:47] <Cheetah> basically i just want to look up a few packages
[07:47] <SuperQ> pull all the changelogs for all packages
[07:47] <SuperQ> oh, that's easy
[07:47] <Cheetah> not the whole diff ;)
[07:47] <SuperQ> http://packages.ubuntu.com/packagename
[07:47] <Cheetah> oh
[07:47] <Cheetah> it's already there
[07:47]  * Cheetah checks it out
[07:48] <Cheetah> ah yeah
[07:48] <Cheetah> thanks a lot
[07:48] <Cheetah> that's what I was looking for
[07:48] <SuperQ> yea, no problem
[07:49] <ptr771> Hi I am getting an Error 15 : file not found when booting from Grub after an update the kernel and restart (2.6.24-15 & 14). My 2.6.24-12 kernel boots fine. Can anyone suggest what the prob may be?
[07:49] <Cheetah> right now I'm using 7.10 to do some programming work. As 8.04 ships with the same version of qt4 it would be working if I upgrade to 8.04 to test my apps on it. Any big things I should watch out for while upgrading?
[07:52] <SuperQ> ptr771: grub error 15 is file loading problem
[07:52] <SuperQ> ptr771: most of the time it's a filename problem
[07:53] <SuperQ> ptr771: try sudo /usr/sbin/update-grub booted to the working kernel
[07:54] <ptr771> superQ: I'll give it a try -- this occurred after some automatic updates and the files look fine me
[07:54] <SuperQ> ptr771: ok
[07:59] <ptr771> SuperQ: did the grub-update and which picked up the different versions but still get the Error 15 when try to boot of either the -14 or -15
[07:59] <shirish> he could have also used apt-listchanges for the same.
[08:01] <SuperQ> ptr771: hrm, I guess I don't know off the top of my head
[08:02] <ptr771> SuperQ: is there anyway to tell whta file was not found? The files points to in the menu.lst are all there as far as I can tell.
[08:03] <SuperQ> ptr771: you can ls -l the filenames in the grub config
[08:03] <SuperQ> ptr771: I'd show you my setup, but it's setup for an encrypted partition, wouldn't probably make sense to you :)
[08:15] <compwiz18> does anyone have a Broadcom 4306 rev 3 working w/ b43?
[08:17] <J-_> How can I seen how much video memory I have?
[08:19] <redwhitewaldo> how can i have my ubuntu+1 comp automatically upgrade to latest firefox beta?
[08:21] <ty> Everytime i log out/restart i have to change my resolution back from 640*480 why wont it save?
[08:21] <ethana2> redwhitewaldo: just wait
[08:22] <ethana2> ty: what gpu?
[08:22] <ty> nvidia 7300 GO
[08:23] <ty> it was fine and then i acctidently install a wrong kernel i have sinc removed and everything worksfine except for this
[08:24] <ty> Sorry just saw that restricted driver was not in use will reboot and see what happens
[08:25] <Jordan_U> I can has FF3b5?
[08:25] <redwhitewaldo> ethana2: what do you mean? fx3b4 will automatically become b5 and then fx3final?
[08:26] <ethana2> hmm
[08:26] <ethana2> yes
[08:26] <ethana2> redwhitewaldo: it just lags behind a day or three
[08:26] <ethana2> hmm
[08:31] <gluer> im using FF3b5 much more stable
[08:44] <Geoffrey2> does Heron seem to still be on track for a late April release?
[08:45] <DarkMageZ> Geoffrey2, nothing will delay the release cept something that prevents it from booting on the majority of systems.
[08:48] <dennda> does totems youtube plugin work for anybody? I get errors whenever I start playing a video
[08:52] <Geoffrey2> it'll be interesting to see if the new kernel boots on my desktop without the kernel flag I need to pass to get Gutsy to boot up...
[08:53] <ryanzec> I have installed ubuntu 8.04 and seem to found an isssue. My laptop screen seems to be very dim even tho it is att 100% in power management(but if looks like it does when i put my dim to 30% on 7.10). it also does not seem to affect anything when i change the dim percentage.  is this a known issue?
[08:54] <gluer> ryanzec: add the brightness applet
[08:57] <gluer> ryanzec: there is a package called xbacklight or something but its not ready for hardy, i just added the brightness applet, worked for my asus laptop
[09:01] <x1250> it works in here also
[09:01] <x1250> dell laptop
[09:05] <ryanzec> gluer: where do i get the brightness applet from?
[09:06] <gluer> ryanzec: right click the taskbar - add applet
[09:06] <gluer> sorry add to panel
[09:07] <gluer> its under system & hardware
[09:10] <ryanzec> any reason why the power management does not control this anymore?
[09:10] <gluer> NFI
[09:11] <ryanzec> well i got the brightness applet in and got my laptop screen looking good but the slider is still showing up even i remove i tried to click on the applet to close it and even tried to remove the applet from the task bar.
[09:12] <gluer> ryanzec: but the world is bright right? ;-)
[09:12] <ryanzec> yea
[09:13] <ty> where are he settings for gnome panel stored for each user?
[09:14] <pen> anyone know why avant-window-navigator always recreate the icon when you click it?
[09:14] <pen> and move it to far right
[09:15] <ryanzec> i have used this link to be able to player flash video players http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=476924 : do i still need it?
[09:16] <doolz> pen: join #AWN
[09:17] <bullgard4> What is the most complete list of Gutsy feature upgrades towards Hardy?
[09:20] <ty> how do you kill a process?
[09:20] <LegolasV> ty: kill <pid>
[09:20] <turbotruck> hey, there
[09:20] <turbotruck> can use some help
[09:21] <ty> legolasV: what if i dont know the pid
[09:21] <LegolasV> ty: ps aux|grep <processname> and you can see all the pid's
[09:21] <turbotruck> i've the tarballed hanmade internet authorizator provided by my damn ISP
[09:22] <turbotruck> when i compile it a receive such an error log: http://rafb.net/p/LfsHmN23.html
[09:23] <turbotruck> i can download packages only manually under win system where i have the internet connection
[09:23] <turbotruck> and i'm newbee to linux
[09:24] <Dr_willis> I would run a long network cable.. :)
[09:24] <turbotruck> this error "/usr/bin/ld: cannot find -lzlib" means that i need an zlibc package or what?
[09:25] <Dr_willis> yep zlib-dev or simthing simillary named
[09:25] <Dr_willis> !find zlib
[09:25] <ubotu> Found: libcompress-raw-zlib-perl, libcompress-zlib-perl, libio-compress-zlib-perl, libio-zlib-perl, libruby1.8 (and 10 others)
[09:26] <Dr_willis> Hmm.. try  -->   apt-cache search zlib | grep dev
[09:26] <turbotruck> and what it does
[09:26] <turbotruck> ?
[09:26] <Dr_willis> well if yu dont know the basics of the package manageing system.. i think you may NOT want to be using the beta.
[09:27] <turbotruck> i have the fresh and clean hardy
[09:27] <Dr_willis> !apt-get
[09:27] <ubotu> APT is the Advanced Package Tool, which together with dpkg forms the basic Ubuntu package management toolkit. Short apt-get manual: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/AptGetHowto - Also see !Synaptic (Gnome) or !Adept (KDE)
[09:27] <Dr_willis> apt-cache search, searches the apt packages
[09:27] <turbotruck> where?
[09:27] <Dr_willis> where what?
[09:27] <turbotruck> over the Inet?
[09:28] <Dr_willis> apt keeps a local database of packages. thats what 'apt-get update' does
[09:28] <Dr_willis> You have a long hard road ahead - if you are not going to have any  internet connection.
[09:28] <Dr_willis> Im averating about 100 mb+ of updates here every few days.
[09:29] <ere4si> there is sneakernet :)
[09:29] <Dr_willis> I perfer a long-cable-net
[09:30] <turbotruck> i will get the connection if i install this authorizator
[09:30] <Dr_willis> authorizer?
[09:30] <turbotruck> a-ah whatever
[09:30] <turbotruck> :)
[09:30]  * Dr_willis is totally lost.
[09:30] <turbotruck> i mean authorizator to me equals authorizar
[09:31]  * Dr_willis is still totally lost.
[09:31] <turbotruck> authorizer
[09:31] <turbotruck> why?
[09:31] <turbotruck> :)
[09:31] <Dr_willis> ive neerheard the term 'authorizer' befor used  with linux, or windows, or networking.
[09:32] <turbotruck> okay, the authentification system, that's better?
[09:32] <turbotruck> it is provided in a tarball
[09:32] <turbotruck> which is a handmade sh#t by my ISP
[09:35] <turbotruck> Dr_willis, and what package i should download if the cache search will be unsuccessful?
[09:36] <Dr_willis> zlib1g-dev - compression library - development
[09:36] <Dr_willis>        seems close here..
[09:36] <Dr_willis> of course there also the actual zlib1g  libaray package.. and whatever  else that may depend on
[09:37] <turbotruck> it seems to me that i have installed this one -> zlib1g-dev_1.2.3.3.dfsg-7ubuntu1_i386.deb
[09:38] <Dr_willis> thers also the zlib1g - compression library - runtime
[09:40] <turbotruck> emm, can you giva a direct link on http://packages.ubuntu.com/hardy/ ?
[09:42] <Dr_willis> You cant go there with a web browser? its under the libraries section
[09:42] <Dr_willis> seems to be at http://mirrors.kernel.org/ubuntu/pool/main/z/zlib/zlib1g_1.2.3.3.dfsg-7ubuntu1_i386.deb
[09:43] <turbotruck> ah, i got this one too
[09:44] <turbotruck> okay, it's D-time
[09:44] <turbotruck> gone trying
[09:44] <WGGMk> Are the dependencies for the new kernel broke?
[09:46] <x1250> not till yesterday at least :)
[09:49] <WGGMk> is anyone having trouble upgrading to the new kernel?
[09:50] <Dr_willis> not that i have heard WGGMk
[09:50] <x1250> better say what is your problem...
[09:53] <pen> where should I go for compiz fusion? I want the newest compiz fusion 0.7.4 where can I get that besides bz
[09:53] <Dr_willis> pen,  if you want the newest.. source is the way to go..
[09:53] <turbotruck> Dr_willis, nope, that didn't work
[09:54] <WGGMk> This is my problem http://pastebin.org/27532
[09:54] <turbotruck> still got this error "not found -lzlib"
[09:54] <turbotruck> but both zlib1g and zlib1g-dev are installed
[09:54] <pen> Dr_willis: well, it's not as smooth as a repository
[09:55] <Dr_willis> libzlcore-dev - zlibrary core - development files
[09:55] <Dr_willis> libzltext-dev - zlibrary text model/viewer - development files
[09:55] <Dr_willis> apt-cache search zlib  shows some others also.
[09:56] <x1250> WGGMk: try cleaning you're cache and redownload the files. See if that works
[09:57] <visik7> hibernate on hardy works but doesn't shutdown after finish to save ram to disk if I hard shutdown then restart it exit from hibernate
[09:58] <DBO> why does my computer set hdparm -B 128 on /dev/sda every time i resume from suspend.  It is ignoring my laptop-mode settings completely.
[09:59] <Dr_willis> DBO,  thers some scripts that get ran after resuming. Ive seen some forums/tweaks mention how to override them
[09:59] <forrest> anyone know how I can install this? https://launchpad.net/ubuntu/hardy/+source/virtualbox-ose-modules/23
[09:59] <forrest> since I dont see it on the repositories?
[09:59] <forrest> yet
[09:59] <lintel> do I have to repatch madwifi after upgrading to 2.6.24-15?
[10:00] <DBO> Dr_willis, yeah I thought so too... For the life of me I can't find such a script.  I did my best grep foo
[10:00] <WGGMk> x1250: I tried clearing the cache via Synaptic and it did not seem to work
[10:00] <Dr_willis> DBO,  google for ubuntu hard drive clicking :)
[10:01] <Dr_willis> http://www.linux-hero.com/rant/explanation-ubuntu-hard-drive-wear-and-tear
[10:01] <DBO> Dr_willis, yeah I know how to hack around the issue.  I am more curious to figure out what script is setting the wrong value initially so I can tell it to be less stupid
[10:02] <DBO> I mean ubuntu's method of dealing with laptop-mode is nothing short of brain dead to begin with...  but why dear god why is it being set to 128 every time?  I can't find anything that says it does that
[10:02] <Dr_willis> the threads detail this.
[10:03] <Dr_willis> The script that's executed when you plug or unplug your laptop is /etc/acpi/power.sh    - wonder if thats it..
[10:03] <DBO> actually unplugging/pluggin my laptop causes laptop-mode to fire and fixes the issue
[10:03] <Dr_willis> There is also script /etc/apm/event.d/20hdparm. This script also sets the spin-down timeout
[10:04] <DBO> im looking for something setting -B to 128
[10:05] <DBO> specifically 128... as that seems to be what it is set to after resume every single time
[10:05] <forrest> Is there anyway I can get access to this? https://launchpad.net/ubuntu/hardy/+source/virtualbox-ose-modules
[10:05] <forrest> I've ran 'apt-get update' but I dont see it
[10:06] <Dr_willis> it may be in the medibuntu repos that are not officially out yet.
[10:08] <forrest> what are those?
[10:08] <forrest> the addresses?
[10:08] <Dr_willis> !medibuntu
[10:08] <ubotu> medibuntu is a repository of packages that cannot be included into the Ubuntu distribution for legal reasons - See http://www.medibuntu.org
[10:09] <DBO> Dr_willis, just tested...  making a 98-laptop-mode-hack script in /usr/lib/pm-utils/sleep.d that restarts laptop-mode fixes the issue
[10:09] <DBO> Dr_willis, that said... I would still like to know why its so brain dead...
[10:10] <Dr_willis> whys whats so brain dead?
[10:10] <DBO> well, i grepped my entire system for scripts calling hdparm, none of them are setting it to 128 (i added traces to most all of them)
[10:10] <DBO> so why when i resume, is my power management level at 128?
[10:10] <DBO> its frustrating is all
[10:11] <Dr_willis> could be nothing is setting it. and its the hd's default thats kicking back in
[10:14] <turbotruck> Dr_willis, nothing changed
[10:14] <turbotruck> it still can't find this damn lzlib
[10:14] <turbotruck> can you, please,  have a look at the error log - http://rafb.net/p/LfsHmN23.html ?
[10:14] <turbotruck> seems to be i'm blind
[10:14] <turbotruck> and missing some simple thing
[10:15] <WGGMk> Does anyone have a clue why the last 2 kernel images are being held back for me? http://pastebin.org/27532
[10:19] <ere4si> WGGMk: it says dependency probs
[10:20] <Dr_willis> hmm
[10:20] <WGGMk> ere4si: for lack of a better way to word this.... how do i fix it lol?
[10:21] <ere4si> WGGMk: how did you upgrade?
[10:21] <DBO> yeah that one is just spiffy
[10:22] <WGGMk> ere4si: fresh install.. but if you mean keeping up-to-date, have a habit of updating from the terminal if makes a difference
[10:22] <DBO> what command?
[10:22] <WGGMk> DBO: do i use?
[10:22] <DBO> yes
[10:23] <WGGMk> DBO: sudo apt-get update && sudo apt-get upgrade
[10:23] <DBO> try
[10:23] <DBO> sudo aptitude safe-upgrade
[10:23] <DBO> its a little less braindead
[10:23] <WGGMk> not sure I follow. why would my method cause an issue?
[10:24] <DBO> aptitude is better at solving dependencies than regular apt-get
[10:26] <WGGMk> it still has the same problem
[10:26] <DBO> super =)
[10:26] <DBO> try
[10:27] <DBO> sudo aptitude install linux-restricted-modules-2.6.24-14-generic
[10:28] <WGGMk> same
[10:29] <DBO> hmmm
[10:29] <DBO> does sudo apt-get -f install do anything fun?
[10:29] <WGGMk> WTB latest Kernel (Paying Well) lol
[10:29] <kRush> pausing rhythmbox or totem gives me 100% cpu usage from pulseaudio, is this a known bug?
[10:30] <WGGMk> yea, it does stuff but its not fun
[10:30] <DBO> kRush, if you kill pulse does gnome-power-manager do funny things when pulse is at 100?
[10:31] <DBO> WGGMk, same thing as before?
[10:31] <WGGMk> DBO: yessum
[10:32] <kRush> DBO, uhm funny like what? I don't have to kill it actually resuming/closing the audio-app is just fine
[10:32] <DBO> WGGMk, you sir are going to have to play lord of the dpkg i thinks...  unless someone else has something magical to try
[10:32] <DBO> kRush, really now?
[10:32] <WGGMk> DBO: question is, how did my dependencies become broke?
[10:32] <kRush> yeah
[10:33] <DBO> WGGMk, im going to guess the recent alignment of the sun and the moon caused a vortex swirling in the very fabric of space time and... magic
[10:35] <DBO> WGGMk, see all those package names in your big long error?  There are corresponding packages for them in /var/cache/apt/archives.  Find them and copy them all to a folder on your desktop (or wherever) then cd into that folder and run sudo dpkg -i *.deb
[10:35] <jk_> is there a file that shows updates
[10:37] <WGGMk> DBO: they are not in /var/chace/apt/archives.. only 1 file and 1 folder.. file contains nothing nor does the folder
[10:38] <DBO> WGGMk, okay, download the debs from archive.ubuntu.com i guess..
[10:38] <DBO> are you sure you spelled that right btw?
[10:39] <DBO> cache, not chace
[10:39] <rothchild> I'm trying to upgrade from gutsy but when I run update-manager --devel-release all that happens is that update manager is launched and it doesn't find the new distribution release when I check for updates, what is going on with that (my other box worked fine using this method)
[10:39] <WGGMk> DBO: i mispelled it in the message.. but not in the terminal sorry
[10:39] <DBO> ookie dokie
[10:42] <stefg> rothchild: did you or some 'third party helper' tinker with your sources.list? (automatix, envy)
[10:45] <rothchild> No,, I did a fresh reinstall from a gutsy disk not so long ago and I don't use automatix or envy (just had a quick double check and sources look box stock - hadn't even got round to putting medibuntu in there!)
[10:46] <stefg> rothchild: hmm... try a different mirror. maybe the problem is server side ?
[10:47] <rothchild> http://pastebin.ca/972293 sources.list
[10:49] <rothchild> you mean change 'gb' to 'us' or somesuch?
[10:49] <stefg> rothchild: i'd try replacing gb.archive.ubuntu.com with plain archive.ubuntu.com, then  run sudo apt-get update and try again if the update manager is finding it then
[10:50] <rothchild> ok, ta I'll give it a shot
[10:51] <rothchild> if it works after changes should I put it in launchpad?
[10:52] <stefg> rothchild: oh, and make sure your gutsy is fully updated before trying to upgrade to hardy
[10:52] <stefg> rothchild: no, this doesn't qualify as a bug, it may be just a server which is temporarily down
[10:53] <rothchild> stefg it is (if only because I just launched update manager three times trying to get it working;-)) re: reporting, it wasn't working the other night either
[10:54] <turbotruck> hey, pals. what do i need to regard the error http://rafb.net/p/LfsHmN23.html ?
[10:55] <turbotruck> i've been cracking my head for an hour already
[10:55] <Dr_willis> turbotruck,  i cant seem to find any info on it either.
[10:55] <Dr_willis> the only zlib i can find is in /usr/lib/imlib2/loaders/zlib.so
[10:57] <Dr_willis> ya could edit  /etc/ld.so.conf.d
[10:57] <Dr_willis>  /libc.conf  and add the path to    /usr/lib/imlib2/loaders/zlib.so  in there
[10:58] <Dr_willis> assuming thats the right lib
[11:00] <rothchild> hmm updated sources http://pastebin.ca/972297 and still no dice with update manager finding the upgrade
[11:00] <turbotruck> nah, i don't have this path /usr/lib/imlib2/loaders/zlib.so
[11:01] <Dr_willis> !find zlib.so
[11:01] <ubotu> No packages matching 'zlib.so' could be found
[11:01] <Dr_willis> it may been from the imlib2 library pacaktges
[11:02] <Finnish> How to setup Flash in Hardy?
[11:02] <stefg> rothchild: so what exactly is sudo update-manager -d returning?
[11:03] <turbotruck> fond \usr\lib\python2.5\lib-dynload\zlib.so
[11:03] <turbotruck> the only one really
[11:03] <Dr_willis> i have that one also.
[11:03] <Dr_willis> i tend to install EVERYTHING..... :) so i got lots of things
[11:04] <stefg> Ah, so you are the one which is hogging the servers, so others can't upgrade, Dr_willis :-)
[11:04] <turbotruck> so, you think this lib is good to path to?
[11:06] <Dr_willis> i dont know why there would be 2 of them on the system
[11:06] <rothchild> stefg the terminal returns 'Warning: could not initiate dbus' and then launches update manager, I can hit 'check' and it polls the sources but doesn't find anything to upgrade
[11:06] <Dr_willis> that one looks rather pyton specific
[11:07] <turbotruck> but i don't have any other
[11:07] <turbotruck> :)
[11:07] <stefg> rothchild: hmmm.... gutsy has som ipv6 issues... maybe it's related to that. try disabling ipv6
[11:08] <stefg> rothchild: so gutsy is fully updated? rebooted after gutsy update?
[11:08] <Dr_willis> that one from imlib,  is used for image files...
[11:09] <rothchild> I believe so, I do have privoxy installed is that likely to do anything?
[11:10] <stefg> rothchild: olh yes
[11:10] <stefg> !proxy
[11:10] <ubotu> Many Ubuntu IRC channels prohibit access from !proxies such as !TOR and web (Java, etc) gateways due to a high level of abuse. You can however obtain a hostmask cloak: see http://freenode.net/faq.shtml#cloaks
[11:10] <stefg> !apt-proxy
[11:10] <ubotu> apt-proxy is a program that acts as a local apt repository server for a LAN, only fetching from the internet when required. To set it up see https://help.ubuntu.com/community/AptProxy
[11:10] <rothchild> aha nice one, thank you
[11:11] <stefg> rothchild: in fact these were not the factoids i was fishing for... you need to tell apt that there's a proxy, but it would be simplest to just disble it for the upgrade
[11:12] <turbotruck> Dr_willis, will i ask too much if i ask to compile this "project" by you and sent me back the result?
[11:13] <rothchild> stefg ok I'll try that, I need to swot up a bit more on what it's doing and how it's doing it anyway so this seems like a good chance to learn!
[11:13] <rothchild> stefg thanks for your help
[11:13] <no0tic> will firefox3 beta5 be in hardy?
[11:14] <visik7> no0tic: I don't think that a beta will remain un-upgraded
[11:15] <pen> no0tic: soon, I think
[11:16] <Dr_willis> turbotruck,  i cant seem to find the right lib either. ya can post the url and i can try i guess
[11:18] <turbotruck> http://rapidshare.de/files/39026511/InetAccess.tgz.html
[11:22] <turbotruck> and i've added
[11:22] <turbotruck> -ldl\
[11:22] <turbotruck> -lzlib
[11:22] <turbotruck> to LIBS
[11:22] <turbotruck> in a makefile
[11:22] <Impy> Hi does anyone else have trouble with firefox and flash? firefox closes when i try and view videos on youtube
[11:22] <turbotruck> not in a makefile but in objects.mk
[11:29] <Dr_willis>   http://pastebin.com/f95569f7
[11:30] <Dr_willis> its not wanting to compile here either
[11:30] <qiv> hi
[11:30] <qiv> anyone else experiencing problems with boost filesystem?
[11:31] <albert23> turbotruck: Are you trying to link something with the zlib library? If you do, install package zlib1g-dev and use -lz instead of -lzlib
[11:31] <Dr_willis> boost filesystem?
[11:31] <blinkiz> The package "linux-xen" does not work. Dependence missing. Is this a known problem?
[11:31] <qiv> $ lyx || terminate called after throwing an instance of 'boost::filesystem::basic_filesystem_error<boost::filesystem::basic_path<std::string, boost::filesystem::path_traits> >' ||   what():  boost::filesystem::exists || Aborted (core dumped)
[11:32] <qiv> thats what i get Dr_willis
[11:32] <qiv> never heard of boost whatever before ;)
[11:32] <turbotruck> albert23, ok, i'll try
[11:35] <qiv> Dr_willis: i found a hint ... it is a chmod problem, sudo lyx works ^^
[11:36] <Dr_willis> soubnds like some OOP type system call/routine
[11:44] <tomkirby> i'm having problems with Hardy - it gets really slow when there's lots of disk i/o going on... i've filed a bug (https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+bug/205945), but nobody wants to help me. can anyone here help?
[11:44] <ubotu> Launchpad bug 205945 in ubuntu "[Hardy] Heavy I/O causes other processes to starve" [Undecided,New]
[11:46] <gourdin> hi there
[11:47] <tomkirby> hi gourdin
[11:47] <gourdin> I got kde 4.0.3 on gusty here
[11:47] <gourdin> if I upgrade to hardy
[11:47] <gourdin> will my kde 4 install be ok ?
[11:50] <tomkirby> i'm really stuck with this problem - can anyone give me any pointers?
[11:50] <tomkirby> i think i've tried all the obvious stuff...
[11:51] <cvd-pr> Hey where is the xmms player? i dont see it in sinaptyc
[11:52] <Dr_willis> xmms is  long over due for death. :)
[11:52] <Dr_willis> you may want to try the beepmedia player
[11:52] <Dr_willis> xmms2 is lacking from what i tried of it.
[11:54] <DBO> why are the md5sums on the nvidia driver binaries different from the ones in the vanilla packages?
[11:55] <tomkirby> Dr_willis: maybe you can help me?
[11:57] <Dr_willis> tomkirby,  with what? :)
[11:57] <gourdin> what is the best way to upgrade gutsy to hardy ?
[11:57] <gourdin> apt-get distugrade ?
[11:57] <sourcode> sudo apt-get upgrade -d
[11:58] <sourcode> or clean install
[11:58] <gourdin> upgrade -d ?
[11:58] <gourdin> (is this dist-uprade ? :)
[11:58] <jcarey75> tomkirby, I have a similar issue, for example after my hardy install, I've been restoring my data files to /home and with heavy disk activity, system seems to slow, certainly firefox
[11:59] <cvd-pr> i just downloaded the daily beta
[11:59] <tomkirby> Dr_willis: thanks - i'm having problems with Hardy: it gets really slow when there's lots of disk i/o. i didn't have this problem with gutsy, and i was wondering where i could look for further information...
[11:59] <cvd-pr> i think its better to have a cd
[11:59] <cvd-pr> and a fresh isntall
[11:59] <gourdin> arf
[11:59] <sourcode> upgrade -d  != dist-upgrade
[11:59] <Dr_willis> tomkirby,  try testing out some of the older kernels, or some of the alternative kernels, check that dma is enabled on the hard drives
[12:00] <gourdin> sourcode: ok thx, Im reading the man :)
[12:00] <gourdin> "fresh install" that sucks
[12:00] <sourcode> fresh install is the best
[12:00] <tomkirby> Dr_willis: will certainly check re. dma - i'd forgotten what it was called :-$
[12:00] <gourdin> it shoudn't
[12:00] <tomkirby> not sure about using old kernels though - sounds complicated
[12:01] <Dr_willis> select the older kernel in the grub menu
[12:01] <gourdin> "format and reinstall"
[12:01] <gourdin> thans reminds me of something
[12:01] <gourdin> even on mac you don't have to "reinstall"
[12:02] <tomkirby> Dr_willis: thanks
[12:02] <pepie34> I still have a regression with the new kernel, madwifi-svn is not working since 2.6.24-14
[12:02] <pepie34> has anyone else got this problem ?
[12:02] <Dr_willis> ive had to reinstall on my Mac.
[12:03] <pepie34> or other wifi probleme sunce te update
[12:03] <savvas> pepie34: there's -15 now from what i see
[12:04] <pepie34> yes both -14 and -15 make madwifi-svn not working
[12:04] <pepie34> still working with -12 (so not a userland problem)
[12:06] <tomkirby> Dr_willis: i'm using a SATA hd - does this affect whether or not dma should work or be enabled?
[12:07] <Dr_willis> thers some bugs where the dma is not getting enabled on some machiens ive seen/heard
[12:08] <tomkirby> Dr_willis: hdparm is returning "HDIO_GET_DMA failed: Inappropriate ioctl for device"
[12:08] <tomkirby> any thoughts?
[12:08] <Dr_willis> hdparm is not for sda type disks
[12:08] <tomkirby> right
[12:08] <Dr_willis> thus theres some bugs in the libata stuff.
[12:08] <tomkirby> under gutsy, my hd used to be /dev/hda
[12:08] <tomkirby> now it's /dev/sda
[12:08] <tomkirby> same drive
[12:09] <stefg> !uuid | tomkirby
[12:09] <ubotu> tomkirby: To see a list of your devices/partitions and their corresponding UUID's, run this command in a !shell: « sudo blkid » (see https://wiki.ubuntu.com/LibAtaForAtaDisks for the rationale behind the transition to UUID)
[12:10] <stefg> !info sdparm
[12:10] <ubotu> sdparm (source: sdparm): Output and modify SCSI device parameters. In component universe, is optional. Version 1.02-1 (hardy), package size 113 kB, installed size 372 kB
[12:16] <tomkirby> stefg: thanks. how can i use sdparm to make disk access work properly (i.e. without hogging cpu)?
[12:18] <Shiiii> can someone point to a solution to i965 graphics in hardy ?
[12:18] <Shiiii> and to  a solution for sis m672 graphics in hardy
[12:21] <restless_user> hello i just updated hardy rebooted and now i get a "failed to initialize HAL" error on startup right now i am on a live cd since i have no net access in hardy
[12:24] <savvas> restless_user: you'll probably have to chroot your way to fix it
[12:24] <savvas> !chroot
[12:24] <ubotu> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/DebootstrapChroot use this to build 32 bit environments on a 64 bit box
[12:24] <savvas> hm..
[12:24] <savvas> !grub
[12:24] <ubotu> grub is the default Ubuntu boot manager. Lost grub after installing windows: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/RecoveringUbuntuAfterInstallingWindows - Making GRUB floppies & other GRUB howtos: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/GrubHowto
[12:24] <tomkirby> can anyone help me optimize the performance of a SATA disk with sdparm or similar?
[12:24] <|DuReX|> restless_user: hal doesn't work maby, but try ifup eth0
[12:24] <|DuReX|> should just work :p
[12:25] <penper> today when I started my computer the resolution was at 640x480 and it can't go up any higher. I'm running Hardy and the nvidia 169.12 driver
[12:25] <|DuReX|> then u have inet :p
[12:25] <billisnice> is hardy delayed for 3 months?
[12:25] <savvas> yeah
[12:26] <billisnice> what will the new month be?
[12:26] <savvas> count :)
[12:26] <billisnice> lol
[12:26] <restless_user> ubotu i didn't lose grub and i am on 32bit hardy i tried sudo -configure -a but that didn't seem to do anything after a reboot
[12:27] <savvas> billisnice: i'm just kidding, the 3-month delay was an april fools joke
[12:27] <billisnice> ok
[12:27] <Dr_willis> but the unicorn wallpaper is official!
[12:27] <billisnice> you had me
[12:27] <billisnice> lol
[12:27] <billisnice> i like the bird
[12:27] <savvas> what unicorn? :P
[12:27] <billisnice> is that what it is?
[12:28] <savvas> no the bird was a heron ;p
[12:28] <billisnice> ok
[12:28] <billisnice> better than the previous ones
[12:29] <savvas> Dr_willis: link?
[12:30] <rinaldi_> "shared folders" in administration has gone, accidently uninstalled it. what is the name of the package so I can get it back?
[12:30] <Dr_willis> savvas,  :)
[12:30] <savvas> :P
[12:31] <savvas> darn
[12:31] <savvas> got me there ;p
[12:31] <savvas> it's the 5th of april though
[12:31] <savvas> one day after the establishment of microsoft ;)
[12:31] <begor> hi
[12:32] <begor> english or someone who speaks german=
[12:32] <begor> ?
[12:33] <rinaldi_> anyone know the package name for "shared folders" in administration?
[12:34] <savvas> rinaldi_: what administration? what shared folderS?
[12:34] <T1m0thy> Having 'update-notifier' in my Openbox boot script should bring me updates right?
[12:35] <penper> where do I configure which driver to load? I think it's loading the 'nv' display driver but I want to load the 'nvidia' one
[12:35] <rinaldi_> savvas: you know "shared folders" in system > administration. it isnt there and it was a little while ago. is it not in hardy?
[12:36] <savvas> rinaldi_: i don't see such a thing, sorry :\
[12:37] <rinaldi_> savvas: so it isn't in hardy yet I guess. it was in 7.10 though... anyone know?
[12:38] <Dr_willis> penper,  i installed the nvidia-glx package and used the restricted-manager tool to enavble the nvida driver
[12:41] <penper> Dr_willis: I tried that. It works. It loads. But I keep getting troubles with it (getting low resolutions only) so I'm trying to install a previous version than the one the restricted-manager laods
[12:42] <dns53> run nvidia-xconfig to generate an xorg.conf
[12:43] <penper> dns53: thanks, I'll try that
[12:44] <Impy> does firefox keep crashing lots for everyone else?
[12:47] <jcarey75> impy, for me it's been pretty stable, I have had some slowdowns, but it's been related to something else and firefox has come back after a bit
[12:47] <Impy> :o
[12:48] <Impy> mine keeps closing when trying to watch youtube videos and even when i click sign in to ebay :(
[12:49] <zniavre> http://img241.imageshack.us/img241/1819/hardy1qw0.jpg
[12:49] <zniavre> oops sorry too fast and wrong clic
[12:50] <jcarey75> I'm on hardy amd64 with flash-nonfree installed, both sited work fine, but I've had several installs...gutsy / hardy  32 / 64 with varying results
[12:51] <jcarey75> zniarvre, no prob, I checked it out, what version of avant are you using? and the dock on the side?  very nice setup
[12:52] <jcarey75> oops meant zniavre
[12:52] <zniavre> from trunk
[12:53] <zniavre> bzr i guess
[12:53] <jcarey75> cool, thanks
[12:54] <zniavre> there is an hardy repository somewhere in their website
[12:56] <zylche> 7.10 --> 8.04 Distribution Upgrade, I think the upgrade client is frozen, "Preparing to upgrade, Checking package manager"
[12:56] <jcarey75> I'm checking it out now, actually have all kinds of things open researching awn, I've had some problems with previous installs.
[13:00] <zylche> Is this a known bug, or am I just being impatient?
[13:02] <Lynoure> zylche: have they even started making the upgrade client do these upgrades? Last I asked about it, the answer seemed to be it happens couple of days before the release
[13:02] <zylche> ...Good point, I did get it downloaded and the upgrade client runs, it just falls at the first hurdle..
[13:03] <zylche> I saw the 8.04 upgrade page in the wiki, and it mentioned uses it.
[13:05] <Lynoure> zylche: hmm, I'm on kubuntu side, so could be different
[13:05] <Lynoure> I assume most just do apt-get dist-upgrade after modifying the sources.list
[13:05] <zylche> hrm. Anyone here actually upgrade from ubuntu 7.10 then?
[13:06] <zylche> Yeah, I guess I'll have to manually modify that -_-
[13:15] <billisnice> i need to change the computer monitor, the default locks me in high resolution.  Where do i find the monitors to change? ty
[13:17] <|DuReX|> https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/linux/+bug/209971
[13:17] <|DuReX|> :p
[13:17] <ubotu> Launchpad bug 209971 in linux "[Hardy Regression] cx22702 no longer works" [Undecided,Incomplete]
[13:20] <zniavre> jcarey75: deb http://ppa.launchpad.net/awn-testing/ubuntu hardy main   it's the development repos for hardy there is trunk and testing in same repository (im using trunk one)
[13:24] <jcarey75> zniavre: after you mentioned trunk, I installed from the repositories (.2.1), turns out, I had been using an older version before.  I'm customizing the launchers and look now, thanks for the added info.
[13:24] <zniavre> ok
[14:03] <jaffarkelshac> my mount points is annoying me, everytime i mount a _ is added to it. now is /media/hdd_________
[14:03] <jaffarkelshac> how do i stop this
[14:09] <ptr771> hi. i'm not about to boot into -14 or -15 having updated to them and restarted, getting a grub error 15: file not found, but I've checked all the files and they look fine to me. Has anyone else seen this problem?
[14:09] <erle-> has anyone in here tried kexec once?
[14:09] <ptr771> that should be "not able to boot"
[14:11] <dns53> grub can have problems when the kernel is located in a partition too deep in the disk
[14:11] <dns53> you could have a /boot partition on at the start of the drive
[14:12] <ptr771> I'm using a vanilla 8.04 install and this porblem has just occurred after an automatic update - I haven't touched anything manually -- my -12 kernel works fine thankfully an dis in the same place.
[14:14] <|DuReX|> seems like there is a problem with HAL
[14:15] <|DuReX|> https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/linux/+bug/209971
[14:15] <ubotu> Launchpad bug 209971 in linux "[Hardy Regression] cx22702 no longer works" [Undecided,Incomplete]
[14:16] <ptr771> Yes it did same something like : I'm sorry Dave, I can't do that. ;)
[14:20] <zever> Hello all, i'm planning to do an LTS upgrade (desktop install), are there some issues I should watch out for?
[14:21] <rinaldi1> zever:  i had a lot of problems with nvidia drivers, not sure if they fixed it. Was a big problem
[14:23] <rinaldi1> zever: i am waiting another 19 days to upgrade my other one, when the stable release is
[14:25] <zever> rinaldi1, ok, i probably should wait too, i hope they solved the nvidia problem by then
[14:30] <derspankster> I am waiting for final on my desktop. I'm running the beta on this laptop without many issues but my desktop has a nvidia card and I can't risk it.
[14:31] <rinaldi1> derspankster: i risked it with another pc, but nvidia-glx-new messed it up. Fresh install worked fine though
[14:32] <Turski> nvidia driver works fine
[14:32] <derspankster> I do work on my desktop so I don't want to take any chances
[14:33] <zever> I also have all my schoolwork on this desktop
[14:33] <zever> Turski, which Nvidia card do you have?
[14:34] <Turski> zever: 8800GT
[14:34] <orvokki> Nvidia-glx-new should work fine with -rt kernels with Hardy. <3
[14:34] <derspankster> Java is not working for me on my laptop and FF3 is a crash magnet right now as well.
[14:35] <Turski> FF3 works fine for me
[14:35] <derspankster> Turski: there are many reported bugs in FF3
[14:36] <rinaldi1> yes i get a lot of crashed, particularly with multiple tabs
[14:36] <derspankster> especially after kernal 2.6.24.15
[14:36] <Turski> maybe, but i haven't noticed hardly any
[14:36] <Turski> but i just updated to 2.6.24-15 and now this feels slower :/
[14:36] <bod_> hey guys, when hardy is released will i have to do a full install again or will i just get all the updates through the update manager?
[14:36] <Turski> at least boot felt
[14:37] <rinaldi1> bod_: it will update
[14:37] <penguin42> I have audio problems with non-gnome apps not being able to open /dev/snd/pcm* saying that it's busy - I've not seen that in YEARS - lsof shows pulseaudio has them open; how does one make non-pulse audio apps work?
[14:37] <derspankster> bod_: personally, I'm doing a reinstall but you don't have to
[14:38] <bod_> rinaldi1, cool, thanks dude,.,. erm, did anyone else havee problems with their system clock after the DST ?
[14:38] <jbroome> i have a seperate /home so I may just reinstall too.  depends
[14:40] <Sergeant_Pony> what file allows one to look at the soundcard info?
[14:54] <jk_> how can i open/read files via ssh so far only text files
[14:55] <nosrednaekim> jk_: nano,less, vim
[14:56] <|DuReX|> pico
[14:56] <|DuReX|> vi
[14:56] <|DuReX|> :p
[14:56] <|DuReX|> emacs
[14:56] <|DuReX|> :p
[14:56] <penguin42> cat
[14:59] <penguin42> so no one else having problems with sound device being busy'?
[15:00] <derspankster> penguin42: sorry, no
[15:01] <penguin42> thanks for replying
[15:01] <penguin42> it's most annoying - realplayer, mplayer, and amarok can't do anything
[15:01] <jk_> nosrednaekim, that only read.open text files dont they
[15:01] <nosrednaekim> eh?
[15:04] <jk_> penguin42, what do you mean it cant do anthing
[15:05] <penguin42> jk_: I'm getting errors saying the audio device is busy or that they can't open it
[15:06] <Sergeant_Pony> i tried apt-get install alsamixer and got "couldn't find package alsamixer"
[15:07] <jk_> its your sound card/module then penguin42
[15:07] <penguin42> Sebastian: It seems to be in alsa-utils
[15:08] <penguin42> jk_: Well I have pulse audio/rhythmbox running at the moment and that's fine - so the device is OK, it's just lost the ability to share the device
[15:08] <derspankster> penguin: do you have a volume control?
[15:08] <penguin42> nod
[15:08] <derspankster> *penguin42
[15:09] <derspankster> yes?
[15:09] <penguin42> yes
[15:09] <penguin42> It doesn't work well though since Hardy - it looks like it hasn't got the right mixer channels
[15:09] <derspankster> when you double-click it, what do you see?
[15:10] <penguin42> derspankster: It shows as Realtek ALC861 (OSS Mixer) and shows just a playback tab with Volume, Line-in, Microphone and CD
[15:10] <conb123> im having trouble in ubuntu 8.04 with 2.6.24-12-generic kernel i hear a looping kind of beeping sound it sort of resembles the first split second of the startup sound
[15:10] <conb123> oops
[15:10] <conb123> sorry
[15:10] <derspankster> penguin42: do you have the option of changing that?
[15:11] <penguin42> derspankster: Changing what?
[15:11] <penguin42> The mixer type?
[15:11] <conb123> any ideas guys
[15:11] <derspankster> under file -yes
[15:11] <conb123> its very irritating
[15:12] <penguin42> derspankster: Yeh, I see 3 pulse audio mixers - that are one slider each
[15:12] <derspankster> penguin42: and no alsa?
[15:13] <derspankster> penguin42: just trying to understand what you're seeing
[15:14] <penguin42> derspankster: Correct; the 4 are labelled Realtek ALC861 (OSS Mixer), Playback ALSA PCM on front 0 via DMA (Pulseaudio mixer) and then 2 others for capture
[15:15] <penguin42> derspankster: The 2 capture ones are also pulseaudo mixers 'Monitor source of ALSA PCM on Front 0 (ALC861 Analogue via DAM (Pulseaudio mixer)
[15:16] <penguin42> and another the same except without 'Monitor source' - sorry that's a bit difficult; I can only see them with the menu up and I don't have focus so I can't type them then!
[15:17] <derspankster> penguin42: did you upgrade to Hardy or do a new install?
[15:17] <penguin42> derspankster: Are you curious about what I'm seeing on the account of the wrong mixer channels or the 'busy'?  It's an upgrade from a working Gutsy as of last week
[15:18] <penguin42> I've done an upgrade today but not yet rebooted
[15:18] <penguin42> sorry, update today
[15:18] <penguin42> derspankster: lsof on /dev/snd/* is showing them all opened by pulseaudio
[15:19] <penguin42> are there any pulseaudio tools/stuff
[15:19] <arachnist> pavucontrol?
[15:20]  * penguin42 finds pactl/pacmd/padsp
[15:21] <derspankster> penguin42: audio works for me regardless of mixer enabled - hmmm?
[15:22] <penguin42> derspankster: well I seem to be playing audio via rhythmbox somehow - I'm not sure if it's going via pulseaudio (it's not the standard rhythmbox build); so basic audio is OK, it's just device sharing that seems missing - unless I'm missing a module
[15:23]  * penguin42 starts up a 'top' just in case gnome-power-managager goes nuts while I play with pulseaudio
[15:23] <penguin42> hmm pulseaudio is taking up cpu so it must be playing via it
[15:28] <richard__> I've got 8.04 ubuntu installed. Wifi will not connect. It recognizes my Athero's proprietary card. I've got it checked. In Networking it's set up but will not connect. 7.10 works fine. Whats with 8.04?
[15:29] <Sergeant_Pony> this is very frustrating.... I have sound ALC861 oss mixer it works.... sometimes... any ideas..?
[15:29] <hmuller> Is the vmmouse that's autoconfigured in xorg.conf now applicable mostly for Ubuntu in a VM?
[15:29] <richard__> Any one home?
[15:29] <penguin42> Sergeant_Pony: Same here; it seems it got broken in Hardy
[15:29] <Sergeant_Pony> I can get sound on bootup and only on certain websites.
[15:29] <Sergeant_Pony> it took me 2 weeks to get sound on 7.10
[15:30] <hmuller> richard__: dunno, I don't own one of those
[15:30] <Sergeant_Pony> I can't even adjust the volume anymore... it's either all the way up or muted
[15:31] <penguin42> Sergeant_Pony: Same here
[15:31] <Sergeant_Pony> ok... in sound setup I have only 2 choices 1 for playback and 1 for capture
[15:31] <richard__> All I know is that 7.10 works great with my wifi card and 8.04 recognizes it but will not connect me up to the internet.
[15:31] <penguin42> The old model=auto trick which fixed stuff on gutsy for me doesn't work here
[15:32] <richard__> Atheros (is the chipset the card uses. . . )
[15:33] <hmuller> richard__: what kind of messages are you getting in /var/log/syslog when attempting to connect?  That might provide a clue ...
[15:34] <richard__> I'll have to get my laptop out and see. . . can't say for sure now. . . thanks for the tip.
[15:35] <Sergeant_Pony> penguin42: did you figure out pulseaudio or are you using oss?
[15:35] <richard__> Getting the laptop out now and getting it to boot up. ...
[15:36] <penguin42> Sergeant_Pony: I'm not sure! pulseaudio seems to be running and I think esd stuff is going via it, I can't get mplayer to play stuff or amarok
[15:37] <penguin42> Sergeant_Pony: mplayer seems to have a pulseaudio output module, xine doesn't seem to
[15:37] <Sergeant_Pony> penguin42: I have pulseaudio running somewhat... I can play audio cd's so I have it working somewhat... oss I don't like...
[15:38] <Sergeant_Pony> penguin42: on pulseaudio sound meter nothing moves when sound is playing.. don't figure
[15:38] <penguin42> Sergeant_Pony: It looks like another attempt to change the whole way that sound works; that so far is just as bad as the old mess
[15:38] <Sergeant_Pony> lol
[15:42] <richard__> Looking at syslog it appears that eth0 is the only device that the software has been trying to access. My ath0  is nowhere  to be seen. I've got a wireless system and don't use eth0.
[15:43] <richard__> weird
[15:43] <|DuReX|> I want to debug hal, but I can't save 'hald --verbose=yes' to a file
[15:43] <|DuReX|> any id's ?
[15:44] <shadowhywind> hay all I did a kernel update today, but I told it not to update grub. Now i want to update grub to reflect the new kernel and can't figure out how, any ideas?
[15:44] <|DuReX|> the output of that command .. :p
[15:44] <|DuReX|> shadowhywind: update-grub
[15:44] <shadowhywind> I tried that, and it didn't update it
[15:44] <hmuller> richard__: I'll bet if you run ipconfig in a console, that it has probably autoconfigured your wireless interface as eth0, true?
[15:45] <shadowhywind> update-grub says Found kernel: /boot/vmlinuz-2.6.24-15-generic, But it isn't found in the menu.lst
[15:45] <richard__> hold on . . .let me see. . ..
[15:45] <fromport> shadow: does it give a warning or an error after the "found kernel"
[15:45] <eagles0513875> i have a question my hard ware is rather new and im having a tough time installing kubuntu would the next kernel release have the drivers for my hardware
[15:46] <Sergeant_Pony> penguin42: really strange... if I pull up volume control preferences I only get realtek alc861 (oss mixer) no pulseaudio..
[15:46] <shadowhywind> nope, it says updating the menu.lst.. Updating the default booting kernel. Done
[15:46] <hmuller> eagles0513875: What hardware devices is the installation choking on?
[15:46] <richard__> Looks like your right
[15:46] <eagles0513875> just bout everything
[15:46] <eagles0513875> if i dont have vista it wont even install for instance
[15:47] <eagles0513875> on normal hardy
[15:47] <richard__> what do I do to fix this?
[15:47] <fromport> grep 2.6.24-15 /boot/grub/menu.lst   doesnt show up ?
[15:47] <eagles0513875> installation cd it hangs on formatting my partitions cuz im guessing its looking for my drivers
[15:47] <b4l74z4r> can i use the wine repositories for ubuntu gutsy gibbon in hardy heron?
[15:47] <penguin42> Sergeant_Pony: I didn't think the pulseaudio ones appeared for me last week
[15:47] <eagles0513875> 2ndly if i use the alternate it installs but it hangs on loading hardware devices cuz its looking for my vista partition for drivers
[15:48] <eagles0513875> would the next kernel release fix those problems for me
[15:48] <hmuller> richard__: first, preface all your comments to me specifically, it helps to catch your comments when the screen starts flying, just start typing "hmu" and then hit the tab key, then type whatever...
[15:48] <Sergeant_Pony> penguin42 I like ubuntu and really would like to get this working... I need my sound ;)
[15:48] <marsje> Hi. I want to rip CDs to mp3 with Sound Juicer in Hardy. Do I need to install any extra packages for this? Sound Juicer doesn't show the gstreamer MP3 profile...
[15:48] <penguin42> Sergeant_Pony: Yeh!
[15:48] <richard__> hmuller: ok. . .follow you
[15:49] <shadowhywind> ok i solved my grub issues, hehe
[15:49] <eagles0513875> this computer is an hp tablet tx1308nr with turion x2 2gb ram 160gb hdd winblows vista (yuck)
[15:49] <penguin42> Sergeant_Pony: It always seems to take a few weeks to get audio to work on releases which sucks - it's not like we're using unusual hardware
[15:49] <hmuller> richard__: great, now I can catch your comments, now back to syslog ...
[15:49] <eagles0513875> reason i cant use gutsy is due to a pnp bios bug
[15:49] <hmuller> richard__: what are they saying about the connection when you attempt to connect?
[15:50] <Sergeant_Pony> true... I'm running it on a toshiba satellite laptop
[15:50] <richard__> hum getting back into syslog
[15:51] <pwuertz> hi! I drew a picture with openoffice-draw... and might have accidentally discovered a bug in gnome's svg rendering library... when opening the svg, the application seems to eat all of the available memory... you then have to kill the application 'somehow'
[15:51] <pwuertz> i did this by switching to a console.. but a terminal opened before trying to open the svg might work as well
[15:51] <pwuertz> would someone like to confirm this bug by opening this svg?
[15:51] <pwuertz> http://www.students.uni-mainz.de/pwuertz/it/dangerous-svg.tar.bz2
[15:51] <fromport> shadow: how ?
[15:52] <pwuertz> I'm using ubuntu+1.. updated today
[15:52] <richard__> hmuller: it appears that eth0 link is down, link not ready, deactivating device eth0. . .
[15:53] <penguin42> richard__: Just try ifdown eth0 and then ifup eth0
[15:53] <penguin42> richard__: hardy isn't bringing ether interfaces back up for me after resume
[15:53] <protonchris> Sergeant_Pony: Is this the problem you are seeing?  https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/gnome-media/+bug/199847
[15:54] <richard__> hmuller: Ok I'll try ifdown eth0 and ifup eth0 in console. . .
[15:54] <hmuller> penguin42: I'm not sure his is a resume issue, I'm wondering if it is a router or authorization problem
[15:54] <Sergeant_Pony> protonchris: 1 sec let me look
[15:55] <penguin42> protocol1: Hmm that seems to be what I'm seeing
[15:55] <penguin42> huhh?
[15:55] <penguin42> protonchris: Hmm that seems to be what I'm seeing
[15:55] <hmuller> richard__: take a look afterwards and see what /var/log/syslog reports
[15:55] <orvokki> !info quodlibet
[15:55] <ubotu> quodlibet (source: quodlibet): audio library manager and player for GTK+. In component universe, is optional. Version 1.0-2 (hardy), package size 15 kB, installed size 132 kB
[15:56] <Sergeant_Pony> protonchris: yup, that's it
[15:56] <penguin42> protonchris: However I think the default choice of mixer is only one of the two problems, the other is why the OSS Mixer doesn't work
[15:56] <richard__> hmuller: I get ifdown is not configured and ifup eth0 ignoring unknown interface
[15:57] <protonchris> Sergeant_Pony and penguin42:  It might be worth commenting on that bug.
[15:58] <penguin42> protonchris: Just did
[15:58] <richard__> hmuller: looks like i'm getting much of the same stuff with eth0. .. I dunno . . .maybe I should just wait til 8.04 becomes final and go back to 7.10. . . .
[15:58] <hmuller> richard__: I'm out of ideas, you might want to google using the following search parameters: <wireless device> site:ubuntu.com
[15:59] <Trewas> pwuertz: that opens as empty page in oodraw, nautilus shows the thumbnail ok though
[15:59] <richard__> hmuller: thanks for your help. . .7.10 worked great with my card. I'll reinstall that and when 8.04 becomes final in 16 days hopefully it will have the fixes in it for my wireless. . . .
[16:01] <Sergeant_Pony> protonchris: good idea, I think I will...
[16:03] <pwuertz> Trewas: right... I got a thumbnail too... but did you try to open it?
[16:04] <Sergeant_Pony> brb
[16:05] <Trewas> pwuertz: actually oodraw does not seem to recognize it as a format it can open
[16:06] <SilverDawn> why does ubuntu install powernowd when its only for amd's
[16:06] <pwuertz> Trewas: no, I meant opening it by double-clicking on it
[16:06] <penguin42> Wahoo! realplayer working
[16:06] <pwuertz> Trewas: this should start up gthumb or eog
[16:07] <protonchris> SilverDawn: because it isn't just for AMD anymore
[16:07] <derspankster> penguin42: got it working then?
[16:07] <penguin42> derspankster: There is a thing called 'padsp' that is a preload library for alsa/oss prgrams
[16:07] <Trewas> pwuertz: ah, double-click opens eog which says coult not load image
[16:07] <penguin42> derspankster: Rather like alsa-oss was; it's a grim grim grim hack but it works for realplayer
[16:08] <elliotjhu1> Can someone give me an example of how to use pasuspender? PulseAudio makes audacity unuseable without it
[16:08] <eoin09> hey could i get some advice on an issue that has totally screwed up ubuntu and prevented me doing anything?
[16:08] <eoin09> i advise no one flips their screen 180 degrees
[16:09] <elliotjhu1> eoin09: why? what actually happened?
[16:09] <derspankster> penguin42: wonder why I was OK and you had to hack?
[16:09] <eoin09> well i went into display options
[16:09] <eoin09> and flipped it
[16:09] <eoin09> which it did successfully but then everything except the cursor froze up
[16:09] <elliotjhu1> ah
[16:09] <penguin42> derspankster: Not sure; what are you using that is working?
[16:10] <eoin09> now whenever i login it flips and freezes up
[16:10] <elliotjhu1> teaches you not to flip it I suppose - I imagine you would fix it by changing your xorg.conf to stop it flipping
[16:10] <eoin09> yes i was hoping there might be a solution
[16:10] <derspankster> penguin42: alsa, pulse, all seem to work OK
[16:10] <penguin42> derspankster: With what clients?
[16:11] <eoin09> elliotjhul: is there something i can do by booting in recovery? (i am a bit of a novice)
[16:11] <elliotjhu1> ctrl+alt+F1 login then sudo nano (wherever xorg.conf is kept - I can never remember) and search for rotation
[16:11] <derspankster> audacious, audacity, realplayer, mplayer. etc.
[16:12] <Sergeant_Pony> protonchris: we're making progress...
[16:12] <butterfree> good day all... could somebody pretty please suggest a good alarm clock for gnome...
[16:12] <pwuertz> Trewas: ok.. thats better than using all my memory and making the desktop unresponsive :/
[16:12] <eoin09> so i hit ctrl alt F1 at login?
[16:12] <penguin42> derspankster: what do you see in lsmod|grep snd
[16:12] <elliotjhu1> yeah
[16:12] <protonchris> Sergeant_Pony: nice
[16:12] <eoin09> great thanks, i'll try that now
[16:12] <elliotjhu1> it may or may not actually work, if it doesn't come back and ask again
[16:12] <eoin09> ok thanks for your help, will do
[16:12] <etcis> if I use the evdev driver for my MS wireless laser mouse 5000 the whole xorg server crashes when i push a certain button
[16:13] <Sergeant_Pony> protonchris: the only thing I don't get is why only a master control and that's it?
[16:13] <etcis> i get a "bad valuators" error message
[16:16] <derspankster> penguin42: http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/62238/
[16:16] <protonchris> Sergeant_Pony: not sure
[16:18] <emma> Is it true that Hardy will come with a built in VM ?
[16:19] <penguin42> derspankster: http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/62240/
[16:20] <penguin42> derspankster: All the high level stuff seems to be there but you are using the i810 driver and I've got hda
[16:23] <eoin09> elliot?
[16:25] <eoin09> can anyone help me with getting ubuntu to forget the settings i configured, but before i log in? its freezing ever since i flipped the display 180 degrees (dont do this) the moment i login
[16:25] <protonchris> eoin09: was there anything in your xorg.conf
[16:26] <fromport> eoin: the login screenis "normal" or also 180degrees turned ?
[16:26] <eoin09> the login sceen is normal thankfuly
[16:27] <fromport> so it has to do with you user settings, not with the "system wide"
[16:27] <insomninja> Has anyone got their wacom working as something else than a mouse?
[16:27] <fromport> probably some setting in the .gnome2 subdir inside your homedirectory
[16:28] <protonchris> fromport: ah.  good point.
[16:28] <karmelek> anybody met the problem with canon cameras with memory cards - i can acces my card via canon s3 is
[16:28] <karmelek> *cant
[16:28] <eoin09> never done anything with xorg protonchris, i am just an average user not normally doing anything in programming
[16:28] <eoin09> yes it's a user issue, can i get it to forget my setting?
[16:29] <fromport> eoin: did you customize your X environmnt somehow ?
[16:30] <protonchris> like fromport said the settings are stored in the .gnome2 directory
[16:31] <eoin09> i made the deskbars translucent, changed what was on them
[16:31] <eoin09> but nothing more
[16:31] <protonchris> eoin09: well I suspect that there is some sort flip setting in your .gnome2
[16:32] <eoin09> apart from a few clever graphical settings such as cube, it is how it was by default
[16:32] <eoin09> is there a way i can get into that and fix it?
[16:36] <eoin09> even if i had to return all settings at boot to default, at least i would be able to login and then rebuild my display from the ground up. is there a way to "reset" without wiping and reinstalling the beta?
[16:38] <protonchris> eoin09: well, what I would try is:  login, wait for freeze, hit ctl-alt-1 and login at the console, the use this command to move your setting directory 'mv .gnome2 .gnome2_backup'
[16:39] <Gnine> opening 34 tabs/webpages at once didnt crash FF3b4
[16:40] <eoin09> protonchris: thanks, what will happen/what do i do then?
[16:42] <protonchris> eoin09: after that reboot your machine and try to login.
[16:42] <protonchris> eoin09: this will tell us if the rotating is controlled by a gnome config option.
[16:43] <eoin09> ok thanks for all your help, assume all is well if i dont pop up again
[16:43] <Gnine> you will
[16:43] <eoin09> lol well here is the bug report if anyone is interested
[16:43] <eoin09> https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/212308
[16:43] <ubotu> Launchpad bug 212308 in ubuntu "Freeze after flipping display 180deg (8.04b)" [Undecided,New]
[16:44] <eoin09> ciao
[16:45] <Ashex> Compiz keeps killing my remote session
[16:45] <Ashex> what's the easiest way to make is stop starting when I login?
[16:46] <prana> Sometimes when I'm on battery power, I notice the disk light on my laptop starts to blink about once per second. any hints on figuring out why?
[16:48]  * penguin42 thinks I might actually have all my sound stuff working
[16:49]  * penguin42 wonders how you stop Firefox 3 jumping to the current workspace when you do an 'openlink' in a terminal
[16:51] <chloetwo> pressing mouse button kill X? wow lmfao
[16:53] <derspankster> penguin42: congrats on the sound
[16:54] <Sergeant_Pony> protonchris?
[16:54] <chloetwo> mouses should be forbidden for ubuntu server edition
[16:54] <ihasn> chloetwo, why?
[16:55] <chloetwo> X too, and wireless network too
[16:55] <protonchris> Sergeant_Pony: yes?
[16:55] <penguin42> derspankster: There appear to be a few tricks; padsp is the king - it's a LD_PRELOAD hack (like alsa_oss), most things that use ESD seem to work
[16:55] <orvokki> chloetwo: X libs not though.
[16:56] <orvokki> chloetwo: Perfectly acceptable to remote X on a server.
[16:56] <protonchris> penguin42: let me know if you figure out how to stop the firefox jumping.
[16:56] <quentusrex> Is there a way to save my gnome session??? I want to reboot, but when I log in I want to to open all the windows, and stuff to the way I had it....
[16:56] <Sergeant_Pony> protonchris: I have everything set for Pulseaudio and I have no sound except when I login
[16:56] <Sergeant_Pony> protonchris: unless I don't have pulseaudio setup correctly
[16:56] <penguin42> quentusrex: Yeh, go to the system menu, preferences, then sessions, there is an option to save current session
[16:57] <ihasn> sergeant_pony, check your ouput. alsa could be fing up or something
[16:57] <Sergeant_Pony> ihasn where?
[16:58] <ihasn> system, prefences, sound
[16:58] <Sergeant_Pony> the volume meter moves for pulseaudio just no sound
[16:58] <eoin09> protonchris: " '.gnome2' no such file or directory"
[16:58] <protonchris> eoin09: really.  Ok well that isn't it then.
[16:58] <eoin09> lol i figured
[16:59] <Sergeant_Pony> ihasn: everything is set for pulse audio
[16:59] <eoin09> i should have another machine running soon
[16:59] <eoin09> so i can be on irc
[16:59] <eoin09> and ubuntu
[16:59] <ihasn> try rebooting?
[16:59] <Sergeant_Pony> I did 5x
[16:59] <ihasn> i dunno
[17:00] <Sergeant_Pony> ihasn all it has for chouces is OSS (realtek) or pulseaudio server
[17:00] <eoin09> right now i am just on thw windows partition of this ubuntu machine so i cant do both at the same time
[17:00] <ihasn> did your sound work before you tried messing with pulseaudio
[17:01] <protonchris> eoin09: next I would probably look in the /etc/X11/xorg.conf file
[17:01] <Sergeant_Pony> ihasn it works if I change it to ALC861 analog
[17:01] <ihasn> you try alsa?
[17:01] <protonchris> Sergeant_Pony: sorry.  I am out of ideas.
[17:01] <Sergeant_Pony> I was told that pulseaudio takes the place of alsa
[17:02] <Sergeant_Pony> thanks protonchris
[17:02] <ihasn> not to my knowledge
[17:02] <eoin09> grr i hope this gets fixed, i was hoping to 'convert' someone tomorrow
[17:02] <prana> hm. i appear to have confused my /etc/fstab's swap UUID... how are the mappings in /dev/disk/by-uuid generated?
[17:03] <Sergeant_Pony> ihasn: it has to be a config issue... maybe it doesn't like the sound card setup itself?
[17:03] <protonchris> eoin09: at the login screen, click the session button and select failsafe gnome, then login.  Have you tried that?
[17:04] <ihasn> is it a laptop your messing with?>
[17:04] <Sergeant_Pony> ihasn: yup, toshiba satellite
[17:05] <penguin42> Sergeant_Pony: Toshiba Equium here
[17:05] <ihasn> yah sergeant, i have a satellite too and the sound cards are always finiky with ubuntu
[17:05] <ihasn> i had to upgrade to 8.04 to get the sound to work
[17:06] <penguin42> ihasn: You might be the first person who upgraded to 8.04 and got sound better :-)
[17:06] <Sergeant_Pony> ihasn:  0 snd_hda_intel
[17:07] <ihasn> yah penguin i was surprized
[17:07] <ihasn> my sound seemed to work when i switched to the connexent adapter
[17:07] <eoin09> protonchris: haven't tried that yet
[17:07] <eoin09> protonchris:likely to work?
[17:08] <protonchris> eoin09: worth a shot.
[17:08] <eoin09> ok will do, thanks again
[17:08] <ihasn> honestly i got lucky thats what it is..every time ubuntu wants to f with the sound im like hell no
[17:09] <Sergeant_Pony>   Subdevices: 1/1
[17:09] <Sergeant_Pony>   Subdevice #0: subdevice #0
[17:12] <Sergeant_Pony> ihasn: any ideas?
[17:13] <ihasn> you got me i peed myself when i got the sound working...it was luck
[17:13] <Sergeant_Pony> figures ;)
[17:13] <cppmonkey> I am getting an error when checking for updates, the SIG is invalid
[17:14] <ihasn> cppmonkey restart
[17:15] <cppmonkey> iahsn Ok ill try that
[17:15] <cppmonkey> *ihasn
[17:17] <eoin09> hey protonchris
[17:17] <protonchris> eoin09: yeah
[17:17] <eoin09> i'm in
[17:18] <protonchris> eoin09: great.  I don't know why I didn't think of that sooner :)
[17:18] <eoin09> now what do i do to access the default way?
[17:18] <fromport> eon: congrats
[17:18] <eoin09> everything looks the same here except for having lost all my clever appearance settings
[17:18] <protonchris> eoin09: well, we need to figure out where that rotation is set
[17:19] <protonchris> eoin09: let me look
[17:19] <eoin09> thanks
[17:22] <eoin09> what's this cppmonkey that's popped up as an irc tab?
[17:22] <Sergeant_Pony> is there a helpfile or doc for pulse audio?
[17:22] <Immersion> Hello, I was wondering if anyone would be kind enough to help me with setting up my Macbook's two finger tap to right click?
[17:22] <cppmonkey> eoin09 I was just messing around to see if u could tell what OS someone was using
[17:22] <eoin09> ah it is duracell
[17:23] <Gnine> !pulseaudio
[17:23] <ubotu> PulseAudio is a sound server intended as a drop-in replacement for !ESD - See https://wiki.ubuntu.com/PulseAudio for information and installation instructions
[17:23] <Sergeant_Pony> thanks
[17:23] <eoin09> successful?
[17:24] <Ashex> how do I disable compiz from running on startup remotely?
[17:25] <cppmonkey> eoin09, I dont know enough about IRC, its been years since Ive used it and then i use to use mIRC. and how come you said ah it is duracell?
[17:25] <eoin09> haha Immersion, well i have to say well done for getting to the point where thats your biggest concern. i'm currently having to put a fresh install of OS:X on mine :)
[17:25] <Jabroni5> what exactly is #ubuntu+1 relative to #ubuntu?
[17:25] <Ashex> Jabroni5: #ubuntu+1 is about the next version of ubuntu
[17:25] <Jabroni5> k, ty
[17:26] <cppmonkey> support for 8.04 rather than 7.10
[17:26] <chloetwo> next-gen ubuntu? :/
[17:26] <Immersion> eoin09, Really? Why so? I just used bootcamp and refit, worked perfectly. :D
[17:26] <Jabroni5> hah, haven't even reached for 8, nvm 8.04 :p
[17:26] <eoin09> cpp: because i was wondering what this cpp that had popped up, then i saw a name update saying duracell was now cppmonkey
[17:26] <chloetwo> 8 is year, and 4 is month
[17:26] <eoin09> immersion: PPC lol
[17:26] <Gnine> !topic | Jabroni5
[17:26] <ubotu> Jabroni5: Please read the channel topic whenever you enter, as it contains important information. To view it at any time after joining, simply type /topic
[17:26] <Jabroni5> bootcamp ubutu vs. parallels bootcamp?
[17:27] <Jabroni5> crud
[17:27] <Immersion> eoin09, Or you're on them. :) Haha.
[17:27] <Jabroni5> i mean ...."vs. parallels ubutu"
[17:27] <Immersion> Bootcamp is better!
[17:27] <eoin09> immersion: yes i tried to put 6.06 on
[17:27] <Immersion> Parallels is a resource hog. :-/ Messed up your default apps.
[17:27] <cppmonkey> eoin09 yea it was an alias my ex gave me....
[17:28] <chloetwo> i was told that linux going to take over world, how soon i will be able to play gears of wars for PC in linux? like that game
[17:28] <chloetwo> thx
[17:28] <eoin09> immersion: managed to get it working on attempt two, but then i couldnt get it to boot into ubuntu, only osx, and osx went buggy all of a sudden
[17:28] <Immersion> Are you maybe Partitioning it wrong?
[17:28] <Jabroni5> i'm running mac pro "woodcrest" quad-core (late '06) w/ 6gb, and even setting Parallels as resource hog, OSX seems not to stutter using my regular slew of basic apps....
[17:28] <cppmonkey> Is it possible to remote into an ubuntu machine without it being login?
[17:28] <eoin09> immersion: wouldnt recognise my external drive properly and it wouldnt come out of sleep sometimes
[17:29] <Immersion> I ENVY you, Jabroni5.
[17:29] <eoin09> immersion: that's likely yes, i am a bit of a novice
[17:29] <Jabroni5> :p
[17:29] <Jabroni5> it's a sweet system, and yes i spent $2,499 + $699 for 20"
[17:29] <Jabroni5> ...
[17:29] <Immersion> Eoin09, This is my 2nd ever boot into linux, I am too.
[17:29] <Jabroni5> 20" cinema, too
[17:29] <Jabroni5> :(
[17:29] <Immersion> jabroni5 Very awesome :) I'm on the Jan08 Macbooks.
[17:29] <eoin09> immersion: using the wizard in the installer really messed things up so on attempt two i used apple's disk utility
[17:30] <cppmonkey> jabroni5 24" Dell...
[17:30] <Gnine> a $1000 barebone kit is more powerful than that
[17:30] <eoin09> immersion: which worked but then, as i said, there were still issues. so i give up
[17:30] <Immersion> eoin09 YEs, I heard the ubuntu one doesn't work with a OSX already installed.
[17:30] <Jabroni5> aww, jealous of U then cpp :p
[17:30] <cppmonkey> Jabroni5 =P
[17:31] <eoin09> someone mention monitors? i just got a new 20" for £140, but it has to go back. it has a trigger happy on/off setting
[17:31] <Jabroni5> this is true Gnine, i wasn't bragging initially, just setting a benchmark
[17:31] <Immersion> Try to find a 3rd party app to make yourself a fat32 partition.
[17:31] <cppmonkey> Jabroni5 shame I dont have a beast of a PC to go with it...
[17:31] <eoin09> rather than pressing on/off, i just have to touch the monitor anywhere! which is excellent.
[17:31] <Jabroni5> :p
[17:31] <Immersion> Haha eoin09
[17:31] <tgelter> any reason not to install the libc6 update this time around?
[17:32] <Immersion> Could someone help me set up my rightclick? :-/
[17:32] <eoin09> yeah... bumping into the desk hard enough does the trick too
[17:32] <cppmonkey> eoin09, I got a 22" fujitsu from PC World of all places for £140
[17:32] <eoin09> no way
[17:32] <eoin09> thats amazing
[17:32] <eoin09> i never even look at them
[17:32] <Immersion> Haha.
[17:32] <eoin09> this one is acer from amazon
[17:33] <eoin09> not sure to replave or refund
[17:33] <Immersion> I've decided my next computer will be a self built desktop beast. :)
[17:33] <eoin09> anyone reccommend a monitor for £150 or less?
[17:33] <Jabroni5> !topic
[17:33] <ubotu> Please read the channel topic whenever you enter, as it contains important information. To view it at any time after joining, simply type /topic
[17:33] <Immersion> 22" fujitsu from PC World?
[17:34] <Immersion> :)
[17:34]  * Gnine finally got cue to -15-generic kernel upgrade
[17:34] <eoin09> lol thats £150 now
[17:34] <Immersion> Yay.
[17:34] <eoin09> i wonder though do i want a screen that big
[17:35] <Immersion> You said 150 or less!
[17:35] <Jabroni5> oh, did you get that "right-click" help Immersion?
[17:35] <Jabroni5> if you're in Parallels, i have u covere
[17:35] <Jabroni5> *d
[17:35] <Immersion> jabroni5, No. :(
[17:35] <Jabroni5> k
[17:35] <Immersion> I'm in a full Ubuntu boot.
[17:35] <Jabroni5> ay
[17:35] <eoin09> and it sounds pathetic, but the acer looks way cooler :)
[17:35] <Immersion> Need to setup the macbooks two finger tap thing, so I can rightclick.
[17:35] <Jabroni5> acer has been selling quality discount for eons tho
[17:36] <Jabroni5> <-- approves of acer :)
[17:36] <Immersion> Think you can help, Jabroni5?
[17:36] <eoin09> wow pc world have the 22 inch acer for 250
[17:37] <Jabroni5> with full ubuntu right click problem?
[17:37] <Immersion> Yes.
[17:37] <Gnine> rumor is acer bought gateway. and gateway had style
[17:37] <Jabroni5> gosh, i wouldn't count on it --- i just haven't done it, so i'm not a good candidate -- thanks for asking tho :p
[17:37] <eoin09> nooooo
[17:37] <eoin09> not gateway
[17:37] <eoin09> i have an issue there
[17:37] <Immersion> Well it's mainly my question of, how to open the things I need to edit.
[17:37] <Sergeant_Pony> is asound.conf needed?
[17:38] <eoin09> they never work for more than 5 minutes in my presence
[17:38] <Jabroni5> yes, i couldn't "unmount volume" without right-click earlier
[17:38] <Jabroni5> which makes failed server connections a real hassle
[17:38] <eoin09> protonchris: any progress? :)
[17:38] <Immersion> Jabroni, do you know how I'd do this, maybe? https://help.ubuntu.com/community/MacBook#head-416529dc6edd6f93a12df4f0b4c71144441dcbce
[17:39] <Jabroni5> with right-click on Parallels? no problem -- just adjust keyboard mapping -- it was a dumb mistake on my part, sry
[17:39] <Immersion> Ah ok. :-/
[17:39] <Jabroni5> :/
[17:40] <dooglus> other than ubuntu-desktop and its dependencies, what does the ubuntu installer install?  can I find a list somewhere?
[17:40] <dooglus> alternatively:  when I upgraded to hardy, the update-manager crashed halfway through, and didn't remove obsolete packages - how can I remove them now?
[17:40] <Jabroni5> ouch
[17:41] <Jabroni5> yes, get package list
[17:41] <dooglus> Jabroni5: taking to me?
[17:41] <Jabroni5> <-- doesn't have list *sniff*
[17:41] <Immersion> Any awesome apps that someone could reccomend to me?
[17:41] <Gnine> !apt
[17:41] <ubotu> APT is the Advanced Package Tool, which together with dpkg forms the basic Ubuntu package management toolkit. Short apt-get manual: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/AptGetHowto - Also see !Synaptic (Gnome) or !Adept (KDE)
[17:42] <dooglus> Immersion: what for?
[17:42] <Jabroni5> to check for list of packages to recover for hardy mid-install crash
[17:42] <eoin09> ooh apps, i am looking for a dvd ripper so i can put my dvds on my ipod
[17:43] <Immersion> dooglus, really, anything. I'm new to Ubtuntu (and Linux) and want to find some neat stuff to play with.
[17:43] <Gnine> !preference
[17:43] <ubotu> Usually, there is no single "best" application to perform a given task. It's up to you to choose, depending on your preferences, features you require, and other factors. Do NOT take polls in the channel. If you insist on getting people's opinions, ask BestBot in #ubuntu-bots.
[17:43] <dooglus> Immersion: try "synfigstudio" - it's a 2D animation package
[17:43] <Immersion> Ok
[17:44] <Immersion> So, sudo apt-get install synfigstudio?
[17:44] <eoin09> fair enough Gnine, but is there something that does what I am looking to do?
[17:44] <dooglus> Immersion: yes.  you might need to enable the 'universe' repository first, if you didn't already
[17:44] <Immersion> Ok
[17:44] <Gnine> use synaptics, eoin09
[17:45] <Gnine> to search .. that is
[17:45] <Jabroni5> any suggestions for getting the best video performance possible out of ubuntu 7.1
[17:45] <Immersion> Thanks, dooglus.
[17:45] <Jabroni5> max to 64mb VRAM?
[17:45] <Immersion> Run in Bootcamp?
[17:45] <Jabroni5> yeh, surely u're right
[17:45] <Immersion> Jabroni, run in Bootcamp with your full card?
[17:45] <Jabroni5> but Paraellels just enabled openGL with latest release
[17:45] <eoin09> Gnine: thanks i presume thats a search tool i can download using add/remove?
[17:46] <Immersion> Haha. :-P
[17:46] <Gnine> !synaptic
[17:46] <ubotu> synaptic is Ubuntu's Graphical Package Manager. For a good howto see https://help.ubuntu.com/community/SynapticHowto
[17:46] <Jabroni5> yah, i may do so -- i JUST bought parallels cus of improved graphics performance tho
[17:46] <dooglus> Immersion: I'm biased - that's the package I work on mostly :)
[17:46] <Jabroni5> ty uboto help
[17:46] <Immersion> Dooglus, I'll try it! :)
[17:46] <Jabroni5> ty neway doog
[17:47] <Immersion> Can anyone show me through the steps on how I'd do this? https://help.ubuntu.com/community/MacBook#head-416529dc6edd6f93a12df4f0b4c71144441dcbce  I'm a Linux newb. :-/
[17:48] <omar> Guys how can I change my IP address?
[17:48] <akk> Immersion: You basically need to be talked through how to edit that file, I guess?
[17:49] <Immersion> akk, Yes. Basically.
[17:49] <hewhocutsdown> Have a question regarding the Drobo device from Data Robotics. It's a RAID device of sorts that connects via USB and acts as a single hard drive.
[17:49] <Immersion> akk, This is my 2nd ever boot into Linux, so I don't really know how I's edit the file... I tried going into the control panel.
[17:49] <hewhocutsdown> Have posed the question in the Ubuntu Forums already, but there is nothing there applicable to my situation, no response to my thread
[17:49] <hewhocutsdown> The device loads automatically, mounts to /media/Jrobo under gutsy. On upgrade to Hardy Heron using the upgrade manager, the device no longer loads or mounts
[17:50] <hewhocutsdown> My other USB hard drive (a mere 80GB, powered by USB) loads up fine, shows as an 80GB volume.
[17:50] <eoin09> new minor issue if anyone can help- when i crashed before i was adding Konqueror, when i tried adding again i got this- E: dpkg was interrupted, you must manually run 'dpkg --configure -a' to correct the problem.
[17:50] <eoin09> E: _cache->open() failed, please report.
[17:50] <omar> Guys how can I change my IP address?
[17:50] <eoin09> what do i do now?
[17:50] <Immersion> No idea, Eoin09. Maybe you should manually run it?
[17:51] <hewhocutsdown> i have the outputs to dmesg and lsusb if that is of any use
[17:51] <akk> Immersion: hmm, actually I don't use the gnome desktop, but I could talk you through it using a little commandline stuff, if you don't mind that
[17:51] <Immersion> Sure, I'm not afraid of command line. :)
[17:51] <eoin09> how do i manually run it?
[17:51] <akk> Immersion: Okay, start by getting a terminal to type in
[17:51] <eoin09> i cant run synaptics as a result now
[17:51] <hewhocutsdown> not really sure how to interpret the results though
[17:51] <Immersion> Done.
[17:52] <Iolaus> Hey all, I'm attempting to install Ubuntu 8.04 and the installation hangs (or at least I stop getting any display) unless I use safe graphics mode.  My video is Intel 965.  Does anyone have a suggestion or at least a way to show the commands being executed during install (instead of the progress graphic) to see if I can maybe catch the problem?
[17:52] <Jabroni5> if you can get terminal to show during install, you can override
[17:52] <akk> Immersion: First let's make a backup of the file, in case anything goes wrong
[17:53] <Iolaus> Jabroni5: how do I get the terminal to show during install?
[17:53] <akk> Immersion: You can do that with: sudo cp /etc/X11/xorg.conf /etc/X11/xorg.conf.sav
[17:53] <Immersion> Akk, should we do this over a private thing?
[17:53] <Jabroni5> ...looking for post...
[17:53] <Iolaus> Jabroni5: Thanks :)
[17:53] <akk> Immersion: yeah, maybe best, though I was sorta hoping someone would notice this and say "Oh, there's a way to do it in gnome ..." :)
[17:54] <Immersion> I got this: cp: cannot stat '/etc/x11/xorg.conf': No such file or Directory.
[17:54] <akk> Immersion: Capitals are important ... it's X11, not x11
[17:55] <Immersion> Oh, didn't know that.
[17:55] <orvokki> *cough*
[17:56] <orvokki> bicyclist: Yays, all my Hardy problems have been solved. ^^
[17:56] <bicyclist> Great, what was the reason ?
[17:56] <Jabroni5> Iolaus: This may not be it, but perhaps it'll help you...
[17:56] <Jabroni5> http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=677403&highlight=delete+server+connect
[17:56] <orvokki> bicyclist: I had two proprietary nvidia drivers installed, somehow.
[17:57] <Immersion> akk, I am in pm with you.
[17:57] <Iolaus> thanks Jabroni5, I'll take a look
[17:57] <eoin09> i am in terminal, i am the only user on this machine and i just got " requested operation requires superuser privilege". how do i grant myself that?
[17:57] <orvokki> Managed to get my system cleaned up after the next kernel upgrade.
[17:57] <Immersion> sudo?
[17:57] <bicyclist> I see. Good to hear that you now can continue with betatesting !
[17:57] <Jabroni5> it helped me work through a GUI problem installing 7.10 from scratch
[17:58] <orvokki> bicyclist: Or rather, two proprietary kernel modules. 72.* or whatever and 169.12. It refused to start X because I had a conflict between nvidia-glx-new and the kernel module.
[17:58] <bicyclist> Well i had my nvidia-glx-new removed due to problems with the shadow colors
[17:58] <orvokki> Ahm.
[17:59] <Jabroni5> it was the "sudo killall gdm" command i thought might help, Iolaus...gl
[18:00] <Sergeant_Pony> is asound.conf required in 8.04?
[18:00] <Immersion> Oh, man, I think akk went afk.
[18:01] <Iolaus> Jabroni5: I've got the terminal showing now so hopefully I'll get some more info :)
[18:01] <akk> Immersion: I'm still here, but you haven't said whether you've done the cp or are ready for another step
[18:01] <Immersion> I told you in the PM.
[18:01] <akk> Immersion: I haven't gotten any msgs from you
[18:02] <akk> you sure it was me you PMed?
[18:02] <Immersion> You PM'd me and I responded.
[18:02] <Jabroni5> Iolaus: GL!
[18:02] <Immersion> akk, Anyways, it worked.
[18:02] <Immersion> As far as I can tell.
[18:02] <akk> Immersion: your pm doesn't seem to have made it here
[18:03] <Immersion> Odd.
[18:03] <akk> Immersion: Anyway, we need to figure out what editor you have installed; so try this: sudo gedit /etc/X11/xorg.conf
[18:03] <akk> (maybe someone here knows what gui text editor is installed by default?)
[18:04] <Immersion> It is open.
[18:04] <Immersion> Synaptic?
[18:04] <Jabroni5> gedit 2.20.3
[18:04]  * orvokki guesses for gedit
[18:04] <Jabroni5> w/ ubutu 7.1
[18:04] <Immersion> Gedit opened.
[18:04] <orvokki> !info gedit
[18:04] <ubotu> gedit (source: gedit): official text editor of the GNOME desktop environment. In component main, is optional. Version 2.22.0-0ubuntu1 (hardy), package size 717 kB, installed size 2680 kB
[18:05] <akk> Immersion: Okay, scroll down and look for Section "InputDevice"
[18:05] <Jabroni5> mine is from a 7.04 upgrade to 7.10
[18:05] <Immersion> There are many "Section "Inputdevices"" for my keyboard etc.
[18:05] <akk> Immersion: There will probably be several ... look for one for the mouse, it'll probably say something like "Configured Mouse"
[18:05] <Immersion> Akk, there is one called Section "InputDevice"
[18:05] <Immersion> 	Identifier	"Synaptics Touchpad"
[18:06] <Adys> Anyone else having problems with menus since last update?
[18:06] <akk> oh, you already have a touchpad section! cool
[18:06] <Adys> All my menus are transparent in gnome now
[18:06] <Immersion> Apparently :D
[18:06] <Adys> (cant see them but can still guessclick)
[18:06] <akk> Immersion: Okay, and what you're trying to do is get 2-finger taps to work like a right click?
[18:07] <Immersion> So I put my second finger on and click and it is a right click.
[18:07] <Immersion> And, if possible do that whole 2 fingers on makes it scroll
[18:07] <akk> Immersion: okay, the example in the page you gave has a section on "Multi-finger taps" -- you probably want the first two lines of it
[18:07] <bhsx> is there anything i need to do to get full use out of a core2 duo?
[18:07] <Immersion> Oh, there is an example thing.
[18:07] <Immersion> That does it
[18:08] <akk> Immersion: (I guess the 3rd line is for if you want 3-finger taps to be middle button)
[18:08] <Immersion> Should I just try that, akk?
[18:08] <Jabroni5> i'd ask same question bhsx
[18:08] <bhsx> or is there support for core2 by default?
[18:08] <akk> Immersion: Yes, put in the first two lines ... or all three if you want
[18:08] <Jabroni5> k
[18:08] <akk> Immersion: and there's an example there for 2-finger scrolling, so you might want to put that in too
[18:09] <Immersion> Ya.
[18:09] <Immersion> I put it in
[18:09] <bhsx> Jabroni5: did you get an answer?
[18:09] <akk> Immersion: then just save and exit (probably in the File menu somewhere)
[18:09] <tyler_d> anyone network vpn savy?
[18:09] <Jabroni5> nopers bhsx, i'm just hovering
[18:09] <akk> Immersion: and you'll have to restart X (log out and log back in should do it) to see the change
[18:10] <tyler_d> unknown error connecting to a pptp vpn?
[18:10] <Immersion> Ok, akk. I'll be back/
[18:10] <Jabroni5> ....i don't use a VPN, but surely would given the circumstance...
[18:11] <rpedro> is the latest kernel bugged? I get an error about loading HAL
[18:12] <Sergeant_Pony> does anyone know if asound.conf is needed or required for hardy?
[18:14] <youngmusicorg> hey. I just tried to start apache, and found out another process is already using that port. lsof -i :80 tells me it's called 'iroffero'. I've never heard of that though. What is this?
[18:15] <bhsx> Jabroni5: i did a uname -a and it looks like it's an SMP kernel by default
[18:15] <bhsx> so i think we're fine
[18:15] <bhsx> uname -a
[18:15] <bhsx> Linux bhsx-desktop 2.6.24-15-generic #1 SMP Fri Apr 4 03:48:31 UTC 2008 i686 GNU/Linux
[18:16] <bhsx> and that's on a box with 1 core :)
[18:16] <bhsx> so dual core should be using both just fine
[18:16] <hewhocutsdown> try again....could anyone help me with a question regarding external USB storage devices? I have two, both worked under gutsy, only one works under hardy heron
[18:16] <Jabroni5> ty bhsx
[18:16] <bhsx> yw
[18:16] <bhsx> hewhocutsdown: what is it that's not working?
[18:16] <Immersion> Hey, akk.
[18:16] <syke_> yea?
[18:17] <Immersion> Now when I put two fingers on it changes screens. :-/
[18:17] <Jabroni5> lol
[18:17] <akk> Immersion: oy! oh, well
[18:17] <Immersion> It scrolls though!
[18:17] <Immersion> Perfectaly scrolls
[18:17] <Immersion> Just can't right click
[18:18] <akk> Immersion: Now you know how to edit the file, so you can fiddle with different settings ... maybe you'll find one that works.
[18:18] <Immersion> aha ok
[18:18] <Jabroni5> Immersion, you're running Ubuntu on X11?
[18:18] <akk> Immersion: I've found the synaptics stuff a bit buggy here, but my vaio has an alps trackpad, not a synaptics
[18:18] <hewhocutsdown> I have a Data Robotics Drobo....it's kind of like Netgear's ReadyNAS, in that it's a RAID-like storage device that can store up to 4 drives
[18:19] <hewhocutsdown> it connects via a USB 2.0 cable to my PC
[18:19] <Immersion> I'm running a GNOME Ubuntu.
[18:19] <hewhocutsdown> worked without a hitch, auto-mounted under gutsy
[18:19] <hewhocutsdown> I ran the gnome upgrade manager last night to test out heron
[18:19] <Immersion> akk, What was the file again? /etc/X11/conf.xorg?
[18:19] <hewhocutsdown> everything works perfectly except for the Drobo
[18:19] <hewhocutsdown> my smaller USB hard drive works fine, automounts, but it's only 80GB
[18:20] <hewhocutsdown> the Drobo is ~2TB
[18:20] <bazhang> xorg.conf Immersion
[18:20] <hewhocutsdown> brb, baby is waking up
[18:20] <Immersion> bazhang, thanks.
[18:20] <bazhang> no worries Immersion ;]
[18:20] <akk> Immersion: xorg.conf ... or just bookmark that page, https://help.ubuntu.com/community/MacBook#head-416529dc6edd6f93a12df4f0b4c71144441dcbce
[18:21] <akk> wow, that's quite an anchor, wonder what produced that?
[18:21] <Jabroni5> hah
[18:22] <akk> guess that's something ubuntu's wiki does
[18:23] <RoAkSoAx> hi all, does anyone of you have had a problem with multimedia keyboard?? for me, it ws working fine untill the number pad stopped working and now just the arrows of that pad work... any ideas?
[18:23] <Jabroni5> my num pad doesn't work
[18:23] <Jabroni5> i'm a mac user, under parallels
[18:24] <penguin42> my numeric keypad works (if I turn on numlock) - Tosh laptop with an external keyboard
[18:24] <Immersion> Shit.
[18:24] <Jabroni5> nvm, numlock/clear worked great :p
[18:24] <Immersion> I dragging my window up into the top menubar :-/
[18:24] <hewhocutsdown> sorry about that bhsx
[18:24] <hewhocutsdown> i'm back now
[18:25] <RoAkSoAx> my numpad doesn´t work either, not even turning on numlock
[18:25] <Immersion> AHAH!
[18:25] <Immersion> It works
[18:25] <Immersion>  :D
[18:25] <Jabroni5> grats immers
[18:25] <syke_> er
[18:26] <Immersion> Haha yess.
[18:26] <Jabroni5> so you have right click?
[18:26] <syke_> I just went to do an update and it wants to remove my firefox package
[18:26] <syke_> anyone else seeing this?
[18:26] <Immersion> Yes I do, Jabroni.
[18:26] <Jabroni5> nope, i updated a package thismorning, and no firefox removal syke
[18:26] <syke_> hrm
[18:26] <syke_> firefox-3.0?
[18:27] <Jabroni5> 2.0.0.13, actually
[18:27] <syke_> ah
[18:27] <syke_> maybe they're ditching the firefox-3.0 beta pkg?
[18:27] <Immersion> I love how when I drag a window it flows.
[18:27] <Jabroni5> i'm only on Gutsy, sry
[18:27] <syke_> not sure why they would do that, though...
[18:27] <syke_> oh
[18:27] <syke_> I was talking about Hardy :)
[18:28] <Jabroni5> sry, i may have to change channels
[18:28] <Immersion> I don't see a firefox package removal.
[18:28] <Jaymac> Anyone with an intel 3945abg wireless controller able to connect wirelessly?
[18:28] <Jaymac> I can't get on either secured or unsecured networks
[18:28] <nemo> Neat thing in Firefox 3 on my hardy machine
[18:29] <Jabroni5> ay capt. :)
[18:29] <nemo> Firefox appears to understand sftp:// URLs
[18:29] <Jabroni5> lucky
[18:29] <Jabroni5> :p
[18:29] <nemo> I think I'm going to make a website of all SFTP URIs :)
[18:29] <Immersion> akk, Thank you so much for your help.
[18:29] <hewhocutsdown> bhsx?
[18:29] <nemo> hm. I suppose if the URI is relative, that would work implicitly.
[18:29]  * nemo tests
[18:29] <syke_> weird
[18:30] <syke_>   firefox-3.0: Depends: xulrunner-1.9 (>= 1.9~b4~) but it is not going to beinstalled
[18:30] <syke_> E: Broken packages
[18:30] <syke_> that's what I get when I try to install firefox-3.0 now
[18:30] <nemo> yep
[18:30] <nemo> works fine. cool.
[18:30] <akk> Immersion: you're welcome ... I hope you find a good combo of options
[18:30] <Turski> syke_: install xulrunner then
[18:31] <syke_> it *is* installed
[18:31] <syke_> ii  xulrunner-1.9  1.9~b5+nobinon XUL + XPCOM application runner
[18:31] <syke_> removing xulrunner to reinstall wants to remove the universe
[18:31] <Immersion> I'm trying to understand why when I have one finger down, and put another one down about 2 seconds later, it switches workspaces.
[18:32] <derspankster> FF3 has been removed by update manager
[18:32] <syke_> derspankster: yes, but why?
[18:33] <nemo> I love the fact that bash tab-completes sftp/scp
[18:33] <Gnine> cd trays are not cup holders
[18:33] <nemo> ... once keychain is installed of courswe
[18:33] <nemo> of course
[18:33]  * penguin42 finds it gently amusing that firefox is listed as a lightweight web browser
[18:34] <derspankster> syke_: my guess is because it was so buggy and won't be final for Hardy release anyway
[18:35] <syke_> I am finding it to work quite well, actually
[18:35] <penguin42> people finding it buggy? It seems ok to me, I've had one rendering issue
[18:35] <hewhocutsdown> i'll come back later i think
[18:35] <syke_> I've been using it over a year on linux and windows, and these days it's as good as ff2 wrt stability
[18:35] <syke_> but anyways
[18:35] <penguin42> (although I don't like the more verbose history list - it just means you don't see as much)
[18:35] <eoin09> yes mine wont boot unless in safe mode penguin, if you refer to 8.04 lol
[18:35] <syke_> the issue appears to be a weird mismatch between xulrunner
[18:35] <penguin42> syke_: And the devs won't fix anything that breaks in ff2
[18:36] <derspankster> well, I, for one have had issues, but I do like FF3
[18:36] <DaSkreech> Hello
[18:36] <penguin42> hi
[18:36] <Immersion> So how would i go about mapping my keyboard?
[18:36] <DaSkreech> is Firefox b5 broken?
[18:36] <penguin42> haha
[18:36] <syke_> penguin: correct. and at this point, they're barely fixing anything in ff3. their acid3 score has been @ 70 for a few months now while other browsers have made great strides.
[18:36] <penguin42> we were just talking about firefox
[18:36] <DaSkreech> Updates remove Firefox b4 and then can't install B5 since xulrunner1.9 conflict
[18:36] <syke_> daskreech: correct
[18:37] <Gnine> !poll
[18:37] <syke_> how to fix? :)
[18:37] <ubotu> Usually, there is no single "best" application to perform a given task. It's up to you to choose, depending on your preferences, features you require, and other factors. Do NOT take polls in the channel. If you insist on getting people's opinions, ask BestBot in #ubuntu-bots.
[18:37] <Turski> is there b5 in repos?
[18:37] <DaSkreech> syke_: how long till its resolved?
[18:37] <penguin42> syke_: Yeh someone at work pointed out that while everyone else was getting it right ff guys were just arguing about the tests
[18:37] <DaSkreech> Turski: yes but you can't install it
[18:37] <Turski> oh
[18:37] <derspankster> guess we'll just have to live without it
[18:37] <DaSkreech> syke_: known issue being worked on?
[18:38] <syke_> penguin: some of the tests were slightly off, or swayed one way when the standard was ambiguous. but, all of those have been resolved and that's why the other browsers moved forward
[18:38] <syke_> daskrrech: no idea if ti's being worked on, I just noticed it myself
[18:38] <syke_> and was asking for a fix
[18:38] <Jabroni5> i just plumb like firefox :/
[18:38] <DaSkreech> :-)
[18:39] <derspankster> asking and getting are two entirely different things
[18:39] <syke_> derspankster: is this #debian? ;)
[18:40] <derspankster> syke_: let me check
[18:40] <syke_> usually ubuntu/canonical folks are nice, especially to paying customers :)
[18:40] <syke_> and people who expend the effort to help test
[18:41] <Gnine> !debian
[18:41] <ubotu> Ubuntu and Debian are closely related. Ubuntu builds on the foundations of Debian architecture and infrastructure, with a different community and release process. See http://www.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/relationship - Remember, !repositories meant for Debian should NOT be used on Ubuntu!
[18:41] <derspankster> oh, it'll be OK, I was missing my extensions anyway
[18:42] <Immersion> http://quester.deviantart.com/art/Ubuntu-SS-79832545 That's a cool looking desktop
[18:43] <syke_> are there no canonical folks or package maintainers in the channel?
[18:44] <Gnine> !free
[18:44] <ubotu> freedom is important. Ubuntu is as free as we can make it, which means mostly free software. See http://www.gnu.org/philosophy/free-sw.html and http://www.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/licensing
[18:44] <Immersion> Are there any Linux replacements for something like Lightroom or Aperture? Aka, a RAW processing?
[18:44] <b4l74z4r> have wine 0.9.59 made it to the hardy repositories yet?
[18:45] <dotech> i'm testing the hardy installer and it is having issues creating and formatting partitions
[18:45] <snowolf> b4l74z4r: in #winehq they generally advise to use their repositories
[18:45] <Meshezabeel> something strange happened. I 'double-clicked' on the update manager icon in the panel. It opened up two update managers right beside each other.
[18:45] <dotech> yet 7.10 has no issues with that
[18:46] <Meshezabeel> dotech, what issues you having?
[18:46] <b4l74z4r> snowolf, at the wine home page i can only find packages for gutsy gibbon, can i install those on hardy?
[18:46] <dotech> when it creates the partitions the devices corresponding with those partitions are not created in /dev
[18:46] <snowolf> b4l74z4r: you should be able to do so
[18:46] <dotech> for example, i have /dev/sda, it creates partition #1 and the installer's call to mke2fs fails because it can't find /dev/sda1
[18:46] <syke_> snowolf: yes, because release versions of ubuntu stop updating. hardy's been keeping up with winehq releases so far, though.
[18:47] <dotech> the device is in /sys/block/sda/sda1
[18:47] <dotech> i'm not sure why the device for the partition isn't being created in /dev
[18:47] <dotech> i compared it to 7.10 and the device is created properly
[18:48] <binarical-app> I updated my 710 system to 804 (i followed a wiki where repos for hardy were added) i am happy that my system isnt broken :D However i am experianceing strangeness. on DE login there are multiple natulus windows flashed . otherwise the bar with "quit", "minimise" and "fullscreen" options are missing from all launched applications. "apt-get update && apt-get upgrade" return as null. Per graphical update manager, a partial 
[18:49] <dotech> im not sure which i'm going to stick with yet but i figured i may as well provide some testing feedback for the installer
[18:49] <dotech> i did eventually get hardy to create the /dev/sda1 device by rebooting and trying it a few times
[18:49] <timo> hows the volume mixer in hardy ?
[18:49] <Gnine> wine 0.9.58-0ubuntu2 is the current version in 8.04 repositories
[18:49] <|DuReX|> https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/linux/+bug/209971
[18:49] <ubotu> Launchpad bug 209971 in linux "[Hardy Regression] cx22702 no longer works" [Undecided,Incomplete]
[18:49] <timo> i been told its as good if not better then vista 1
[18:49] <|DuReX|> bug fixxed !!!
[18:50] <dotech> Meshezabeel: it seems as though the kernel or udev aren't working together properly
[18:50] <binarical-app> Gnine: i can tell you that if you want wine to run, you will have to use an older version
[18:50] <binarical-app> Gnine: for hardy
[18:51] <daroou> hello, is it possible to prevent the ubuntu (hardy heron) installer from installing grub to the mbr?
[18:51] <Meshezabeel> dotech, yeah, I have not heard of this problem before
[18:51] <orkun> hey there - now we have pulseaudio we should be able to equalize things - right? how?
[18:51] <daroou> I would like the boot record to be installed only on sdb not sda
[18:51] <orkun> daroou, yes
[18:51] <orkun> daroou, the final step you can choose where and even not to
[18:51] <orkun> under advanced - where it shows you the settings you chose again
[18:51]  * Gnine is currently using 0.9.58-0ubuntu2 without issues
[18:51] <dotech> the interesting thing is that it is creating the partitions, fdisk shows them properly and the device under /sys/block/sda/sda1 is created
[18:51] <orkun> where you can choose to participate in the package survey etc daroou
[18:52]  * binarical-app thinks Gnine knows what shes doing 
[18:52] <Immersion> So, I know this is a stupid question, but what is the difference between 64 bit and 32 bit? I know 64 bit is "Better" but why?
[18:52] <daroou> orkun, many thanks
[18:52] <h3sp4wn> Immersion: You can use 16 registers instead of 8
[18:53] <binarical-app> Immersion: 64 bit refers to modern technology , where double cpus can be used together . the 32 bit sysstem refers to singular cpus
[18:53] <dotech> Immersion: you can directly map to 2^64 - 1 (~18pb) bytes of memory instead of 2^32 - 1 (4gb)
[18:53] <Gnine> !64
[18:53] <Immersion> Oh Ok.
[18:53] <ubotu> AMD64 and EMT64 are fully supported architectures on Ubuntu. See http://tinyurl.com/jv6tc for more information.
[18:53] <orkun> binarical-app, so wrong :)
[18:54] <Meshezabeel> Immersion, but only install 64-bit version if your processor supports it
[18:54] <Immersion> So it's good I got the AMD64 bit instead of the 32 bit ubuntu for my Core Duo?
[18:54] <dotech> with 32-bit registers the processor can't directly access any memory over 32-bits long, so it will make it considerably faster on systems with over 4gb of ram
[18:54] <timo> Any screenshots of  the volume mixer in hardy ? please ?
[18:54] <orkun> Immersion, it is probably bad if you even have to ask the question
[18:54] <dotech> Immersion: it depends, with <=4gb of ram you will see 8-12% improvement
[18:54] <orkun> Immersion, 64bit has got more bugs
[18:54] <Immersion> orkun, I know.
[18:54] <dotech> with greater than 4gb, you will see even better performance
[18:55] <Immersion> Ah, ok Dotech.
[18:55] <orkun> Immersion, and not being a power user you will not notice the difference
[18:55] <h3sp4wn> 8-12% where do you get from
[18:55] <h3sp4wn> and what about all the assembler optimised stuff for i386
[18:55] <dotech> benchmark tests :), not sure where i saw it
[18:55] <Immersion> orkun I'm trying to learn it all. :)
[18:55] <orkun> Immersion, use http://www.google.com/search?q=64bit+vs+32bit&ie=utf-8&oe=utf-8&aq=t&rls=com.ubuntu:en-US:unofficial&client=firefox-a for further advantages
[18:55] <orkun> start with 32bit
[18:55] <orkun> until you are used to debugging processes if you are totally new
[18:55] <dotech> h3sp4wn, 64-bit processors can run 32-bit instructions
[18:56] <dooglus> I just updated and firefox got uninstalled
[18:56] <Gnine> 64bit OS is more efficient on a 64bit architecture.. duh..
[18:56] <dooglus> will a new browser be taking its place?
[18:56] <h3sp4wn> dotech: Always ?#
[18:56] <orkun> yes Gnine - if everything works
[18:56] <h3sp4wn> Gnine: That is not true
[18:56] <orkun> and only under special occasions
[18:56] <Immersion> dooglus, really? I just updated and firefox is still there. :-/
[18:56] <orkun> other things take up more disk space this way
[18:56] <dooglus> Immersion: try again?
[18:56] <dotech> yea, its like trying to put 12 eggs in a 24-capacity egg basket, it works
[18:56] <orkun> which can be quite bad - especially if you are new to it you can mess things up
[18:56] <Immersion> dooglus, Wel, I want firefox to be there haha.
[18:57] <dooglus> Immersion: or maybe the mirror I'm using is out of date, I don't know.  it didn't disappear an hour ago
[18:57] <dotech> or i guess 32 eggs in a 64 egg basket haha
[18:57] <derspankster> dooglus: yes IE6
[18:57] <h3sp4wn> Gnine: The situation with x86_64 is the exception (hence the reason large parts of Solaris are 32 bit and only 64 bit when it makes sense)
[18:57] <Gnine> h3sp4wn: google is thy friend
[18:57] <dotech> what is considerably faster is floating point operations
[18:57] <dooglus> derspankster: ha
[18:57] <dooglus> I see: "firefox-3.0: Depends: xulrunner-1.9 (>= 1.9~b4~) but it is not going to be ins..."
[18:57] <dotech> and more precise
[18:58] <dooglus> and "Installed: 1.9~b5+nobinonly-0ubuntu1"
[18:58] <dotech> anyone familiar with pulseaudio?
[18:59] <dotech> i have it set as my default audio device, when i click "test" i hear the tones, however nothing else has audio output
[18:59] <IppatsuMan> I've just did a clean install of Kubuntu Hardy and bash completion doesn't work as expected (e.g. it doesnt complete "sudo aptit<TAB>"). Is this a bug that anyone else is experiencing? Should I file a bug on launchpad?
[18:59] <dotech> q
[18:59] <binarical-app> dotech:orkun is asking in the ubuntu channel for you
[18:59] <dotech> wrong keyboard :\
[19:00] <dotech> binarical-app: ok thanks
[19:00] <Meshezabeel> dotech, totem doesn't play audio either?
[19:01] <dotech> i've onyl tried some websites in ffx3 and in the sound control panel there's a "Sounds" tab for the events
[19:01] <dotech> when i click "Play" there i don't  hear the sounds either
[19:01] <orkun> but alsa works?
[19:01] <dotech> i did listen to /bin/bash by piping it into /dev/dsp1 and /dev/audio1 and that works
[19:01] <h3sp4wn> IppatsuMan: if you just source it then what happens
[19:01] <dotech> alsa doesn't appear to work either
[19:01] <dotech> i set my audio card as the default device too
[19:01] <timo> any one know if hardy will have any thing as good as this http://jkontherun.blogs.com/jkontherun/images/voume_mixer.jpg
[19:02] <Meshezabeel> dotech, can you hear sound from youtube?
[19:02] <orkun> you should maybe first get alsa running - did it work with gutsy dotech ?
[19:02] <dotech> orkun, if i set alsa as the Sound playback device it works, so does pulse audio, and USB Decoder
[19:02] <dotech> i just installed gutsy and have the same problem
[19:02] <IppatsuMan> h3sp4wn: sorry, I don't understand. What should I try to do?
[19:02] <dotech> Meshezabeel, i can't get flash working in ffx3 :\
[19:03] <h3sp4wn> IppatsuMan: . /etc/bash_completion
[19:03] <orkun> again - your test audio under settings works - regardless which setting?
[19:03] <dotech> i tried reinstalling libflash and a few other things
[19:03] <orkun> what does not work
[19:03] <dotech> the video isntantly says "Play again"
[19:03] <dotech> without ever playing it
[19:03] <orkun> at youtube?
[19:03] <orkun> does not that even include 2 seconds?
[19:03] <dotech> yep, and i knwo people  have had this happen before it's in the bug list
[19:03] <IppatsuMan> h3sp4wn: bash: /etc/bash_completion: No such file or directory
[19:03] <h3sp4wn> timo: OSS4 works in a similar way but only if the apps support the new api
[19:03] <dotech> maybe 2 seconds, its quick
[19:04] <dotech> 1-2
[19:04] <dotech> i dont see any video though
[19:04] <orkun> have the same problem
[19:04] <orkun> is it each time?
[19:04] <h3sp4wn> IppatsuMan: Is the bash-completion package installed ?
[19:04] <orkun> then it just pauses?
[19:04] <dotech> no matter what video, it just pops up with a black window with the controls and it says "Play again" at the top
[19:04] <dotech> no playback at all
[19:04] <Meshezabeel> dotech, how did you install flash? when you first connect to a webpage requiring flash, a bar at the top asks you to install missing plugins, this is the best way to install it
[19:04] <IppatsuMan> h3sp4wn: no, it isn't. I thought that it should be included in the default install
[19:04] <dotech> yes i did that
[19:05] <dotech> then i tried a bunch of other things that probably made it worse :)
[19:05] <orkun> for me strg+alt+delete helps, as this problem only occurs after some use(i think it is about gstreamer/totem) - a friend of mine - who had this problem all the time - contacted mozillasupport, dotech , which stated they should delete the cache which seemed to work
[19:05] <dotech> i'll reinstall hardy since i have the same audio problem in 7.10, i wanted hardy in the first place
[19:05] <dotech> should take 15 minutes
[19:05] <dotech> hmm i should try that, clear private data?
[19:06] <orkun> another guess is it could be caused by flashplayer-pulseaudio plugin(a wild guess by me) since this is the only change i could think of - flash uses pulseaudio instead of alsa for me now
[19:06] <Meshezabeel> dotech, good luck, I am using hardy 64bit and have had little problem with it. It seems to work better than gutsy.
[19:06] <dotech> yea thats what i installed yesterday
[19:06] <orkun> clear private data opens a dialogue where cache is one option
[19:06] <dotech> other than the paritioning problem it installed great
[19:06] <orkun> you should be able to keep things like history and stored passowrds dotech
[19:06] <dotech> ok
[19:07] <Meshezabeel> dotech, you could also always use 7.10 disc to partition and then 8.04 to install
[19:07] <ToddEDM> hows hardy coming along guys?... what are some of the major differences?
[19:07] <orkun> but try that out first - that is every advice i could give good luck
[19:07] <dotech> hmm true
[19:07] <orkun> ToddEDM, everything seems to work magically
[19:07] <orkun> like sound issues, flash fullscreen and stuff
[19:07] <dotech> ok i'll try it
[19:07] <ToddEDM> lol, awesome, just what i need
[19:07] <orkun> for details check out ubuntu page
[19:07] <ToddEDM> magic
[19:07] <dotech> really what i was trying to get working was Sirius
[19:07] <orkun> it is what happened for me and for many users in this channel
[19:07] <dotech> once i get my music i can work through the rest of the bugs stress free :)
[19:08] <ToddEDM> when is hardy set to be released?
[19:08] <Meshezabeel> dotech, also, try a non-web audio app and see if you can get sound working, if your only problem is in ff, you know it is a ff/plugin problem
[19:08] <xtknight> !schedule | ToddEDM
[19:08] <ubotu> ToddEDM: A shedule of Hardy Heron (8.04) release dates can be found here: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/HardyReleaseSchedule
[19:08] <xtknight> !hardy
[19:08] <ubotu> Hardy Heron is the code name for the next release of Ubuntu (8.04-LTS), due April 24, 2008 - For more info, see: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/HardyHeron - CONSIDER IT TO BE BETA SOFTWARE - Discussion and support in #ubuntu+1, NOT #ubuntu
[19:08] <Meshezabeel> ToddEDM, there is a countdown on the main ubuntu page
[19:08] <orkun> now once i plugin headphones ToddEDM , normal speakers just get muted - i could not switch speaker/headphone playback with gutsy even with a reboot
[19:08] <dotech> Meshezabeel, yea I tried a few things, anything that let me pick the specific device "/dev/dsp1" worked
[19:09] <xtknight> any ideas why this is happening? (ubuntu hardy, ff3.0b4) http://img31.picoodle.com/img/img31/4/4/4/f_bigfontsm_e41c2be.jpg
[19:09] <xtknight> the big previous/next buttons to be specific
[19:09] <ToddEDM> orkun:  my laptop did that automatically
[19:09] <dotech> Meshezabeel: anything that didn't have the option to specifically choose the device didn't work
[19:09] <xtknight> it's worse on some webpages even, the whole page except one or two fonts has big text.  i assume my 'default text size' is at fault but it's just free sans/16pt
[19:09] <orkun> now mine too :)
[19:09] <ToddEDM> but its cool nonethelesss
[19:09] <Meshezabeel> dotech, so, would the other apps work by default, or would you always have to change the audio device?
[19:09] <orkun> before it did not work
[19:09] <dotech> Meshezabeel, i had to pick the device because it was defaulting to my onboard sound
[19:10] <orkun> anyway i can equalize things ANYhow?(without xmms and jackd preferrably). please i really need this :>
[19:10] <dotech> even though alsa was using my USB decoder as the default card
[19:10] <dotech> Meshezabeel, thats why i was asking about pulseaudio, do i have to set a default card there too?
[19:10] <syke_> immersion: another reason is the extra registers. 32bit ubuntu/dbian compiles for i486, which gcc models with fewer registers and a fraction of the cache of amd64
[19:10] <h3sp4wn> dotech: You can tell pulse the sink to use using the pulseaudio applet
[19:11] <Meshezabeel> dotech, not sure, I only have one audio card so never ran into that problem
[19:11] <syke_> those two things can make for significantly better loop optimization and inlining heuristics, sometimes resulting  smaller code that is also much faster
[19:11] <dotech> h3sp4wn, how can i access that applet?
[19:12] <h3sp4wn> I think its - paman
[19:12] <dotech> Meshezabeel, i'm pretty sure this is just a problem caused by my multiple cards, i really only have an onboard card and a USB headphone amp which is a USB DAC that ubuntu is detecting properly
[19:12] <h3sp4wn> I am not 100% certain though
[19:12] <dotech> h3sp4wn, thanks i'll look into it
[19:12] <mluser> Is there a reason why firefox3 was uninstalled from my hardy installation?
[19:13] <syke_> mluser: there's a problem with xulrunner-1.9 deps -- many people are having the issue, but no fix has been proposed yet :( :(
[19:13] <syke_> maybe one of the ops should put this in the  topic?
[19:14] <LibertyShadow> Epiphany isn't too bad
[19:14] <LibertyShadow> :D
[19:14] <mluser> syke_: Ok.. thank you
[19:14] <dotech> this time hardy created the partitions properly, go figure :)
[19:15] <dotech> must be a kernel / udev problem
[19:15] <netcrusher88> okay, so upgrading xulrunner to b5 automatically uninstalled my firefox b4 install... is there an eta on firefox b5 in the repos? just curious
[19:16] <Meshezabeel> lol dotech, must be a glitch in the matrix :)
[19:16] <dotech> haha
[19:16] <dotech> so this time when i open firefox, i should only have ot install the plugin through it for flash
[19:17] <viator> !broadcom
[19:17] <ubotu> Help with Broadcom bcm43xx can be found at https://wiki.ubuntu.com/WifiDocs/Driver/Broadcom43xx
[19:17] <dotech> but which one do i install?  the GNU SWF player or Adobe non-free?
[19:17] <netcrusher88> personally i'd advise adobe
[19:17] <dotech> ok i'll pick that one then
[19:17] <netcrusher88> gnash just isn't quite there if you ask me
[19:17] <Gnine> !gnash
[19:17] <ubotu> An open source flash replacement.  It is still beta software. For current status or for more info http://www.gnu.org/software/gnash/
[19:17] <dotech> if the videos still don't display properly i'll assume its due to my sound issues
[19:18] <dotech> i think flash was working
[19:18] <dotech> since the player did appear on youtube at least
[19:18] <Meshezabeel> yes, I've had better luck with adobe too
[19:19] <viator> the bcm43xx page for hardy is just a place marker
[19:19] <dotech> i wish there was a U3 installer for ubuntu :)
[19:20] <dotech> cd's are too slow
[19:20] <viator> is there a more accurate place i can look for hardy broadcom info
[19:21] <viator> its still broken :(
[19:21] <joumetal> which command changes keyboard layout?
[19:21] <Consty> I just updated my installation and it removed firefox and broke some stuff now. Is anyone else having the same issue?
[19:21] <h3sp4wn> There is no real accurate information (for any platforms)
[19:21] <netcrusher88> Consty: yep
[19:21] <Consty> netcrusher88: Alright, just making sure.
[19:21] <dotech> Consty, i think it is a problem with the xulrunner-1.9 deps (quoted form syke_)
[19:21] <syke_> yes
[19:21] <syke_> I'm filing a bug in launchpad
[19:22] <syke_> the devs are now aware
[19:22] <netcrusher88> near as i can tell, xulrunner bumped to 1.9b5, which breaks firefox 3b4, and 3b5 isn't in the repos yet
[19:22] <syke_> netcrusher: basically, yes
[19:22] <dotech> so i should exclude that from my updates? :)
[19:22] <Consty> Amazing how people figure out dependency problems from so many different applications.
[19:22] <Consty> Seems daunting. :)
[19:22] <viator> dpkg-reconfigure xserver xorg
[19:22] <viator> xserver-xorg
[19:23] <dotech> ok i'm back to Hardy
[19:23] <macogw> apt is telling me the dependency is broken and warning me not to update
[19:23] <dotech> i love how the full install takes 10 minutes !
[19:23] <macogw> um is anyone else kernel panicking after yesterday's kernel upgrade?
[19:23] <h3sp4wn> macogw: 14 or 15 ?
[19:23] <macogw> 15
[19:24] <h3sp4wn> Its fine here - 14 broke bluez
[19:24] <Sergeant_Pony> 14 didn't work on mine
[19:24] <Consty> syke_: How long do you think it will be before they repair it?
[19:24] <viator> it will suck if hardy ships with broken broadcom
[19:24] <syke_> no idea
[19:24] <derspankster> viator: what card?
[19:25] <syke_> I'm just an end-user like you guys
[19:25] <macogw> 15 says something about the block device being wrong
[19:25] <macogw> 14 boots fine
[19:25] <viator> 4306 rev3
[19:25] <h3sp4wn> viator: Never been a decent broadcom driver yet
[19:25] <Sergeant_Pony> 14 I got the white screen, 15 works fine
[19:25] <h3sp4wn> And the quality of the radio's is poor also
[19:25] <derspankster> viator: I have a 4318 and it works fine with b43
[19:25] <dotech> macogw, if you can get more detailed info about the panic it owuld help
[19:26] <macogw> OH woah
[19:26] <macogw> the menu.lst doesnt have the initrd lines for -15
[19:26] <viator> i just want the thing to work
[19:26] <macogw> isnt part of the install supposed to automatically add that?
[19:26] <viator> i have 4318 on another box
[19:26] <h3sp4wn> I do but probably for a different definition of works
[19:27] <dotech> haha my system monitor is totally messed up :)
[19:27] <derspankster> viator: does the other box connect (if you run Hardy on it)
[19:27] <dotech> the Resources tab, the graphs shift to the left
[19:27] <dotech> they are, but the lines aren't disappearing after each shift, it's turning into a giant wall of color
[19:27] <viator> it works for some reasonits got gutsy :|
[19:27] <viator> lol
[19:28] <dotech> looks cool at least
[19:28] <macogw> dotech: kinda like how the text fields in gmail on firefox 3 do?
[19:28] <viator> wife doesnt let me upgrade that one doesnt want it broken
[19:28] <Meshezabeel> dotech, works fine for me, maybe your video card?
[19:28] <dotech> it worked yesterday :)
[19:28] <dotech> i havent' installed the nvidia drivers yet
[19:28] <viator> firefox 3 text fields on some things dont work thats true
[19:28] <dotech> thats probably what it is
[19:28] <Meshezabeel> dotech, install updates first though
[19:28] <viator> but it isnt linux
[19:28] <viator> same thing for me on windows version
[19:28] <dotech> yea, i was trying flash first just to be sure i get that working
[19:29] <dotech> guess that was a bad idea
[19:30] <Meshezabeel> dotech, usually it is best to install updates first, but should be okay, any luck with the flash?
[19:30] <syke_> https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/xulrunner-1.9/+bug/212416
[19:30] <ubotu> Launchpad bug 212416 in xulrunner-1.9 "latest xulrunner-1.9 update breaks firefox-3.0" [Undecided,New]
[19:30] <dotech> Meshezabeel, rebooting now, i installed flash and the nvidia driver, i'll check when it comes back
[19:31] <timo> h3sp4wn:its progress init ?
[19:31] <dotech> sweet
[19:31] <dotech> flash works
[19:32] <dotech> i guess installing GNU SWF last time messed it up
[19:32] <dotech> before hooking up my USB decoder i'll try the default onboard sound to see if that's working
[19:32] <h3sp4wn> timo: Now there will be the option to use oss4 with ubuntu if you want with less messing around it might be better
[19:34] <dotech> sound works too
[19:34] <bjwebb> hotmail.com crashes firefox after login
[19:34] <daekdroom> Whenever I start a Gnome Session it takes long and it accuses HAL couldn't be initialized, also, Clicking the Exit button crashes the computer. I tried to reinstall HAL but it didn't work. Could anyone help me? (this happened after upgrading to the kernel 15)
[19:34] <dotech> lol what a weird cooincidence, the video i loaded starts out with a blank screen and it's some nerd talking about a sound test
[19:34]  * Jaymac1 sighs...  I know free drivers are to be encouraged, but i've had nothing but misery with the iwl3945
[19:34] <dotech> mathmaticious
[19:35] <Jaymac1> the ipw3945 proprietary driver worked like a charm
[19:35] <Meshezabeel> lol dotech, it's a miracle, everything works, partitioning, video, audio ;)
[19:35] <netcrusher88> Jaymac1: that's how i feel about flash
[19:35] <dotech> Meshezabeel, i know :)
[19:35] <dotech> now once I plug in my USB decoder, will it all break? :)
[19:35] <Meshezabeel> dotech, good luck :) try updating first though ;)
[19:36] <dotech> ok ill do that to be sure updates don't breka it
[19:36] <Jaymac1> netcrusher88: I can't connect to ANY wireless networks
[19:36] <bjwebb> also, is ubuntu not shipping firefox 3b5 because it was after the feature freeze?
[19:36] <Jaymac1> I can see them, attempt to connect, but it always hangs on "Waiting for network key..."
[19:36] <macogw> Jaymac1: like what? mine works fine.  it turns out lack of WEP is NM's fault, because from the terminal or using network-admin it works.  and NM+ipw3945 didnt work either
[19:36] <bjwebb> https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/firefox-3.0/+bug/212419
[19:37] <Jaymac1> macogw: I can't connect to WPA or unsecured with mine.
[19:37] <h3sp4wn> bjwebb: Its probably just not compiled yet it takes ages
[19:37] <Jaymac1> macogw: I connected to the same networks with ipw3945 with no issues
[19:37] <bjwebb> h3sp4wn: so it is coming?
[19:37] <dotech> nice, i ran an audio sync test on youtube and the sound is in sync
[19:37] <dotech> time to try updates and see if it still works
[19:37] <h3sp4wn> bjwebb: I would say they wouldn't break that dependancy if it wasn't
[19:38] <Meshezabeel> bjwebb, I can't access that page
[19:38] <bjwebb> i know, its private for some reason
[19:38] <Jaymac1> macogw: when I attempt to connect to a network it doesn't get so far as adding an entry to the list in nm-editor
[19:39] <bjwebb> how do i make it public?
[19:39] <daekdroom> Whenever I start a Gnome Session it takes long and it accuses HAL couldn't be initialized, also, Clicking the Exit button crashes the computer. I tried to reinstall HAL but it didn't work. Could anyone help me? (this happened after upgrading to the kernel 15)
[19:40] <ader10> Just in case nobody mentioned it, there's a dependency problem in the repos, firefox is not installable on my computer currently.
[19:40] <macogw> Jaymac1: i can do unsecured just fine. i havent gotten a chance to try wpa since switching to hardy as the only wpa network i use is 250 miles away.  and the nm-editor thing does get all the networks I connect to.  this is odd.
[19:40] <dotech> hmm Sirius doesn't work
[19:41] <bjwebb> grrrr, how do i make this bug not private
[19:41] <Jaymac1> macogw: Yeah, I tried a live cd to see if I might have banjaxxed something myself... but with the live cd I have the same trouble
[19:42] <bjwebb> https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/firefox-3.0/+bug/212419 is now public
[19:42] <ubotu> Launchpad bug 212419 in firefox-3.0 "firefox crashes on viewing hotmail" [Undecided,New]
[19:43] <dotech> system monitor looks good now
[19:44] <MTecknology> I'm doing updates, why is firefox 3 being removed?
[19:44] <syke_> btw, I've been told that firefox-3.0 pkg will be udpated soon to fix the issue with the mismatched xulrunner-1.9
[19:44] <syke_> MTecknology: wait a few hours, update, and try again
[19:44] <syke_> it should be fixed by then
[19:44] <MTecknology> k
[19:44] <Meshezabeel> MTecknology, https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/xulrunner-1.9/+bug/212416
[19:44] <ubotu> Launchpad bug 212416 in firefox-3.0 "latest xulrunner-1.9 update breaks firefox-3.0" [Low,Incomplete]
[19:45] <dotech> crazy how many people hit this bug
[19:45] <MTecknology> ok, ty
[19:45] <Sergeant_Pony> card 0: SB [HDA ATI SB], device 0: ALC861 Analog [ALC861 Analog]   <-- anyone know how to get this to work with pulse audio?
[19:45] <rothchild> when I log out to gdm I get an error (when the login screen loads) saying 'authentication error' it just keeps reappearing when I hit ok, I have set myself to auto login so it works from cold boot but if I want to restart the xserver I can get back in to the system without restartng, I suspect it may be something to do with PAM but I dunno where to start looking, can you help?
[19:45] <syke_> dotech: yes. disappointing, even for a beta :(
[19:45] <macogw> Jaymac1: that's really confusing.  your card is actually the 3945 and not some other intel one, right?
[19:45] <dotech> its good that its found so fast i guess :)
[19:45] <macogw> or not..
[19:45] <Meshezabeel> syke_, and I just updated everything just before you posted your first message, I'm afraid to restart now ;)
[19:45] <rothchild> this is my /pam.d/gdm http://pastebin.ca/972764
[19:46] <dotech> Sergeant_Pony, click System->Preferences->Sound
[19:46] <syke_> you just won't have ff3 -- feel free to use konqueror in the meantime
[19:46] <h3sp4wn> If anything needs updating it has to be compiled - that seems obvious
[19:46] <daekdroom> Does that bug happen only to the people that updated to beta 5?
[19:46] <dotech> Sergeant_Pony, try changing the sound playback devices and use the test buttons
[19:46] <syke_> (I only uuse ff3 for sites konq has issues with, personally. and those are few and far between at this point)
[19:46] <daekdroom> I still have beta 4 and beta 5 isn't aviable.
[19:46] <syke_> someone please update the topic
[19:47] <Sergeant_Pony> dotech I went thru that... the only test sound that works is alc861 analog
[19:47] <syke_> saying something like "reinstall/update firefox-3.0 in a few hours"
[19:47] <vol> Hi, I'm having some trouble with the 8.04 beta. I've managed to install, after using the fakeraid walkthrough. I ran synaptic update, and then did a "partial upgrade". Unfortunately, it was not successful, and the errors visible here ( http://rafb.net/p/FdsY5e76.html ) keep reoccuring whenever I try and run synaptic for anything else.
[19:47] <dotech> Sergeant_Pony, when you click the Sounds tab do the play buttons in there work?
[19:47] <daekdroom> Whenever I start a Gnome Session it takes long and it accuses HAL couldn't be initialized, also, Clicking the Exit button crashes the computer. I tried to reinstall HAL but it didn't work. Could anyone help me? (this happened after upgrading to the kernel 15)
[19:48] <Sergeant_Pony> dotech nope not under anything...
[19:49] <dotech> Sergeant_Pony, Applictions->Accessories->Terminal, try "alsamixer"
[19:49] <kippy> hey guys is 8.04 the beta of 8.10 ?
[19:49] <dotech> Sergeant_Pony, do you see the analog ALCS device as the card?
[19:49] <dotech> ALC*
[19:49] <Meshezabeel> kippy, no, 8.10 will be the next release
[19:50] <mindframe> what
[19:50] <Sergeant_Pony> dotech with OSS it works about 45% with pulse audio it doesn't
[19:50] <mindframe> what's the equivalent of 'screens and graphics' in hardy?  how do i disable a second screen?
[19:50] <kippy> okay! so which of the two is LTS ? and are both named Hardy Heron?
[19:51] <Sergeant_Pony> dotech there is no alsamixer
[19:51] <Meshezabeel> kippy, 8.04 is Hardy, it is in beta for a couple more weeks, then 8.04 will be released as a stable release. 8.10 is not hardy
[19:51] <daekdroom> kippy: 8.04 Beta is the beta of 8.04 (LTS) Hardy Heron. 8.10 Will have its own beta and won't be hardy
[19:51] <dotech> Sergeant_Pony, weird, i just installed hardy and i have it
[19:51] <daekdroom> Meshezabeel: don't forget there's a RC
[19:52] <kippy> okay Got it folks..!! thanks
[19:52] <Sergeant_Pony> card 0: SB [HDA ATI SB], device 0: ALC861 Analog [ALC861 Analog]   that's what I have aplay -l
[19:52] <spiderfire> hi
[19:52] <vol> Any suggestions?
[19:52] <dotech> Sergeant_Pony, i have a very similar problem with a USB decoder
[19:53] <Sergeant_Pony> this is a toshiba laptop
[19:53] <vol> Additionally, dpkg --configure -a gives me detritus about not being able to install grub (I did that manually due to software raid0)
[19:53] <dotech> Sergeant_Pony, it is the default card but no sound at all, if i use the onboard device it works fine
[19:53] <Meshezabeel> daekdroom, RC of Intrepid?
[19:53] <daekdroom> Meshezabeel: RC as in Release Candidate?
[19:53] <Sergeant_Pony> dotech I have sound until I hit the gnome desktop
[19:54] <Meshezabeel> daekdroom, yes, I know what RC means, just didn't know what you were referring to
[19:54] <dotech> Sergeant_Pony, interesting... when i first connect this USB decoder Ubuntu plays the Login sound
[19:54] <dotech> then nothing
[19:54] <vol> Hello? Is this thing on?
[19:54] <Sergeant_Pony> dotech, yup
[19:54] <dotech> Sergeant_Pony, do you have the same thing? you hear the Ubuntu login music?
[19:54] <Meshezabeel> daekdroom, the RCs came before the beta, correct?
[19:55] <daekdroom> No. After.
[19:55] <Immersion> Hm, I'm trying to connect to my other OS's partition, How do I authenticate so I can pull some files?
[19:55] <daekdroom> It's Alpha, Beta, RC, Final
[19:55] <Sergeant_Pony> dotech did u fix it?
[19:55] <dotech> although this is a bit different for me, i am connecting the device on the fly, and it plays the login sound at that point haha
[19:55] <Meshezabeel> daekdroom, ah, I see my error, thanks :)
[19:55] <dotech> Sergeant_Pony, not yet, i'm trying to now
[19:55] <Sergeant_Pony> dotech ok...
[19:55] <dotech> it sounds like we have a similar problem
[19:56] <Sergeant_Pony> dotech sounds like it...
[19:56] <Immersion> Hey, akk. Think I could bother you again?
[19:56] <dotech> haha not my firefox is gone too :)
[19:56] <dotech> now*
[19:56] <dotech> i knew i should have waited
[19:56] <Meshezabeel> woohoo
[19:57] <Meshezabeel> dotech, did you try leaving xulrunner out when you updated?
[19:57] <vol> Yeah, I'd like to point out that the partial upgrade deinstalled firefox from my machine as well.
[19:57] <Immersion> Can anyone help me, how would I gain root permissions on my other partition while accessing it in Ubuntu?
[19:57] <dotech> Meshezabeel, nah, i just clicked update and it said it could only do Partial Updates
[19:58] <dotech> so I just let it do that
[19:58] <Meshezabeel> vol, it will happen to everyone I assume
[19:58] <vol> Oh hey, someone can hear me.
[19:58] <dotech> no big deal for me because i'm going to reinstall after messing with all of this anyway
[19:59] <dotech> i want to fix my sound problem so i can reinstall and fix it right away without messing around with things
[19:59] <Sergeant_Pony> dotech I'm trying to avoid that...
[19:59] <dotech> Sergeant_Pony, yeah, if this wasnt a brand new machine i would too
[19:59] <vol> Anyway, I'm using sudo aptitude -f for all of those packages
[19:59] <vol> would someone PLEASE tell me now if this is an amazingly bad idea?
[19:59] <Sergeant_Pony> dotech this is a dual boot winxp/ubuntu laptop
[19:59] <dotech> i'm willing to try anything to get this to work, 15 minutes to reinstall so no problem here
[20:00] <dotech> just a desktop here, 1 hdd fully utilized by ubuntu
[20:00] <dotech> Sergeant_Pony, see if you can find a "pulseaudio sink applet"
[20:00] <dotech> there may be a way to tell pulseaudio which sink to use
[20:01] <dotech> aka, which card to use
[20:01] <corporeal> the latest updates murdered the firefox packages
[20:01] <Sergeant_Pony> I know where that is...
[20:01] <corporeal> :-/
[20:01] <dotech> where?
[20:01] <spiderfire> is firefox broken?
[20:01] <corporeal> yes
[20:01] <spiderfire> ok good
[20:01] <dotech> i'll give it a shot
[20:01] <spiderfire> f2 works though
[20:01] <tritiumosu> Partial dist upgrade uninstalled ff3 temporarily
[20:01] <Sergeant_Pony> dotech I have it on simutaineous output
[20:02] <dotech> try updating again in a few hours, its happening to everyone
[20:02] <corporeal> tritiumosu: i just ran the adept updater this morning and it removed and broke the ff3 packages
[20:02] <corporeal> tritiumosu: it won't even reinstall
[20:02] <dotech> Sergeant_Pony, how do i get to the applet?
[20:02] <tritiumosu> corporeal: I'm having the same issue, it won't reinstall FF3 from synaptic or cmd line lol
[20:03] <corporeal>  tritiumosu: ya, complains about broken packages.
[20:03] <Sergeant_Pony> apps > sound video > pulseaudio chooser
[20:03] <h3sp4wn> dotech: You can do it with paman
[20:03]  * corporeal is just downloading b5 from mozilla in .tar.bz2 form
[20:03] <dotech> ok
[20:03] <Meshezabeel> firefox problem: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/xulrunner-1.9/+bug/212416
[20:03] <h3sp4wn> Any of the other ways didbn't work for me
[20:03] <ubotu> Launchpad bug 212416 in firefox-3.0 "latest xulrunner-1.9 update breaks firefox-3.0" [Low,Incomplete]
[20:03] <dotech> ill try both :)
[20:03] <corporeal> i think that should be a higher priority considering it breaks the main browser :-p
[20:04] <dotech> ok so the same thing happened when i connected the device, i hear the login sound then nothing, checking the applet and paman now
[20:04] <dotech> hm,, i don't have Pulseaudio chooser
[20:04] <dashavoo_> will saa7134_alsa be added to the kernel in hardy by default?
[20:05] <h3sp4wn> dotech: Just find the name of the sink and change it from default -> longcomplicated-sink-name
[20:05] <dotech> ok i have to get paman too, i don't have either
[20:05]  * corporeal needs to file a bug report about the new kernel hanging eveyr once in a while
[20:05] <daekdroom> kippy: 8.04 Beta is the beta of 8.04 (LTS) Hardy Heron. 8.10 Will have its own beta and won't be hardy
[20:05] <daekdroom> oops
[20:06] <akk> What's the next one after Hardy? Irate Iguana?
[20:07] <dashavoo_> I'm thinking excitable elephant has a ring to it
[20:07] <DaSkreech> Inconqsequential ibex?
[20:07] <h3sp4wn> They already had edgy eft so they won't do e again
[20:07] <DaSkreech> Intrepid Ibex
[20:07] <DaSkreech> h3sp4wn: They have to
[20:07] <DaSkreech> just 26 releases on :)
[20:07] <dashavoo_> orgasmic octopus... just to keep the hentai fans onboard
[20:07] <dashavoo_> actually no
[20:07] <akk> hardy is the second 'h' -- I guess they didn't think about going alphabetically at the beginning.
[20:08] <dashavoo_> we don't want them
[20:08] <theman--> hey guys, problem with firefox3 : some images dont load, some just show up black... ?
[20:08] <h3sp4wn> DaSkreech: I would question the ability of Ubuntu to last that long
[20:08] <vol> Well, my problems appear to have resolved themselves
[20:08] <vol> thanks for the help, guys!
[20:08] <vol> I mean it
[20:08]  * akk thinks the current one should be greasy gopher
[20:08] <Ashex> yesterday apt told me these packages were no longer needed:
[20:08] <Ashex> linux-headers-2.6.24-12-generic linux-headers-2.6.24-12
[20:08] <corporeal> LOL
[20:09] <Ashex> Has anyone else gotten that and is it safe to?
[20:09] <corporeal> 8.10 should be Irate Indian?
[20:09] <corporeal> 9.04 = Jolly Jigilo?
[20:09] <akk> jumpin' jackrabbit
[20:10] <macogw> does paypal.com crash anyone else's firefox 3?
[20:10] <corporeal> Nope.
[20:10] <stefg> !ibex
[20:10] <ubotu> Intrepid Ibex is the code name for Ubuntu 8.10, due October 2008 - For more info, see: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/IntrepidIbex
[20:10] <dotech> h3sp4wn, that name is so long !
[20:10] <macogw> as of 2 hours ago or so ff3 worked fine on paypal. now it just crashes.
[20:11] <macogw> i did update in between, i think
[20:11] <akk> intrepid ibex is okay ... lots better than the last few
[20:11] <EdwardXp> can someone help me out with some practice commands to ubuntu?
[20:11] <macogw> but i didnt get the broken xulrunner. i can visit any other page just fine
[20:11] <x1250> ibex is available in the repos?
[20:11] <macogw> EdwardXp: this is the development channel.  unless youre running the beta and its specific to it, you ought to go to #ubuntu
[20:11] <EdwardXp> can someone help me out with some practice commands to ubuntu? >> im trying to uninstall and install new drivers .. or basicly... disable and enable existing drivers
[20:11] <macogw> x1250: no
[20:11] <Ashex> so, anyone
[20:12] <macogw> x1250: it will be the release after hardy
[20:12] <x1250> okay
[20:12] <EdwardXp> ok
[20:12] <dotech> h3sp4wn, that got the "Devices" Test buttons to work, but still no sound for Sounds->Play for the event sounds
[20:13] <macogw> woah woah woah and paypal is totally inaccessible in konqueror
[20:13] <h3sp4wn> dotech: You can choose which card you want system sounds to go to seperately
[20:15] <dotech> where?
[20:16] <h3sp4wn> Don't remember I don't even have pulseaudio installed anymore
[20:16] <h3sp4wn> actually try the very last tab in paman
[20:17] <dotech> nice that worked
[20:17] <dotech> thanks
[20:17] <jrabbit> Hello
[20:18] <jrabbit> I'm considering grabbing the ubuntu studio edition of hardy, does it have some of the required basic support for a macboo kpro? :\
[20:18] <jrabbit> I don't want to not have ethernet and no wireless
[20:18] <jrabbit> or no keyboard
[20:18] <jrabbit> etc
[20:19] <h3sp4wn> rothchild: Its got everything the normal ubuntu has and more
[20:19] <h3sp4wn> jrabbit: ^^
[20:19] <jrabbit> Yeah that's not helpful
[20:19] <jrabbit> Ubuntu was pretty fucked up on my desktop
[20:19] <jrabbit> (I think that was 7.10)
[20:19] <Sergeant_Pony> dotech progress?
[20:19] <jrabbit> But I'm pretty sure it was a mounting bug that was known
[20:20] <jrabbit> Think it might be on the wiki?
[20:20]  * jrabbit goes to look
[20:20] <dotech> Sergeant_Pony, with "Autodetect" set as my sound playback devices i hear the sound in my USB decoder
[20:20] <dotech> but system sounds still won't play to it
[20:20] <Sergeant_Pony> dotech damn
[20:20] <jrabbit> Oh cool it even has its own install how to :D
[20:21] <dotech> ill have to install the pulseaudio debug package to figure this out
[20:22] <Sergeant_Pony> dotech I can set them all the autodetect except for audio conferencing sound capture
[20:22] <dotech> Sergeant_Pony all 3 of them work here
[20:23] <dotech> i'll do some research on google
[20:23] <tobi> Hi, I have problems with 8.4 and the german keyboard layout. is it a known problem?
[20:24] <Sergeant_Pony> dotech if I put them all on oss instead of alc861 it blows the speakers
[20:24] <dotech> i would avoid oss at all costs
[20:25] <dotech> as far as i know it's deprecated for the most part
[20:25] <Sergeant_Pony> me?
[20:25] <dotech> yea in favor of alsa
[20:26] <heydabop> Has anyone updated to the lasted version? Firefox 3 doesn't work with it.
[20:26] <Sergeant_Pony> dotech I was told that pulse audio is a replacement for alsamixer etc....
[20:26] <dotech> yea
[20:26] <macogw> dotech: there are a lot of cards that only work right with OSS still though
[20:26] <dotech> true
[20:27] <macogw> dotech: it was deprechated due to licensing, i think, but now it's all Free again, so...
[20:27] <awalton__> (it was also deprecated because it was absolutely terrible, but that's a different story)
[20:27] <dotech> haha
[20:27] <macogw> tobi: check launchpad.net
[20:28] <macogw> awalton__: well whats funny is that it couldnt do mixing in software before they deprecated it, but now it can and alsa's "oss compatibility mode" doesnt
[20:28] <macogw> awalton__: at least according to an article i read from last year, just before it got re-Free'd
[20:29] <awalton__> then again, the whole point of sound servers is to do mixing/levels in user space.
[20:29] <macogw> OSS was just "pass it to the card"
[20:29] <awalton__> that's pretty much what ALSA is today.
[20:29] <jdrake> I just did a partial upgrade and it ended up removing firefox 3b4 and installing xulrunner. I notice that xulrunner lists itself as a dependancy of a firefox 3b5, but I cannot find this particular thing anywhere. Any ideas?
[20:29] <macogw> there are some cards (again, according to that article) that alsa doesnt allow to do hardware mixing even when they're capable of it
[20:30] <macogw> jdrake: hasnt gone through yet.
[20:30] <dotech> I'll follow the sound troubleshooting guide to see if anything obvious is wrong
[20:30] <awalton__> yeah, ALSA doesn't provide an abstraction for very much at all as far as that thing goes.
[20:30] <jdrake> macogw: Will it likely go through today sometime? (I have opera, so I am not in critical need, but I love my firefox)
[20:30] <awalton__> that was a design decision; hardware mixing is almost dead...
[20:31] <mindframe-> how can i resolve the nvidia api mismatch error when starting X?
[20:31] <awalton__> today's sound environment's pretty dull actually. most devices just have the bare minimum (DACs, some buffers, etc), and let software do all of the rest.
[20:32] <dotech> awalton__, its cheaper that way, thats why there's still a market for a/v receivers
[20:33] <dotech> most can't be bothered to go through these software problems
[20:34] <macogw> awalton__: http://insanecoding.blogspot.com/2007/05/sorry-state-of-sound-in-linux.html
[20:34] <awalton__> well hopefully the problems will go away as more and more people standardize on ALSA+PA.
[20:34] <dotech> yes
[20:34] <macogw> i have a receiver
[20:34] <dotech> as do i :)
[20:34] <macogw> my record player cant power speakers
[20:35] <dotech> i can only deal with computer problems for so long, then i need to go to my real sound system
[20:35] <Laney> Wow, installing kqemu has *massively* increased VM performance
[20:35] <Sergeant_Pony> what I can't figure out is the volume bars move on the puse audio meter but I get no sound out of the speakers....?
[20:35] <dotech> Sergeant_Pony, i dont have bars moving on mine
[20:35] <dotech> maybe its going to a different device?
[20:35] <macogw> ive noticed that if i mute with my keyboard, the volume mixer on the gnome panel still shows sound instead of putting up the red cross out thing
[20:36] <dotech> in the volume meter (playback) what do you see after "Showing signal levels of..."
[20:36] <awalton__> yeah, the GUI really isn't ready for pulse, sadly.
[20:36] <Sergeant_Pony> 1 sec
[20:37] <awalton__> e.g. the whole volume control applet needs to be redone
[20:37] <Sergeant_Pony> rtp multicast
[20:37] <Sergeant_Pony> sink
[20:37] <dotech> thats strange
[20:37] <dotech> did you set up a network server in pulse?
[20:38] <Sergeant_Pony> yup, sure did
[20:38] <dotech> ah
[20:38] <dotech> hmm, i just found an option while in there
[20:38] <dotech> "Simultaneous Output"
[20:39] <dotech> virtual output device for sim. output on all local sound cards... sounds like what i was looking for
[20:39] <Sergeant_Pony> i have that checked
[20:40] <rothchild> h3sp4wn: yeah the added bit is so I only get asked for my keyring password once do you have any clues what the 'authentification failed' message is about?
[20:42] <dotech> lol
[20:42] <dotech> i connected my usb decoder and now pulse cant connect
[20:42] <dotech> "Failure: Connection refused"
[20:43] <Cpudan80> Hello everyone
[20:43] <Cpudan80> I've got a minor problem with HH
[20:44] <Cpudan80> I'm on a laptop and the screen resolution of the internal panel is 1024x768 --- it's hooked to an external monitor with resolution 1280x1024
[20:44] <Cpudan80> That works ok --- except the gnome panels are not in the right place on the bigger screen
[20:44] <Cpudan80> Any way to fix that?
[20:51] <mindframe-> is nvidia-glx-new supposed to work w/ hardy?  i'm getting an api mismatch when i try to startx.  it says kernel module version is 71.86.04, but driver component has version 169.12.
[20:52] <crd1b> mindframe-: ensure that you do not have the file /lib/linux-restricted-modules/.nvidia_legacy_installed
[20:52] <crd1b> the nvidia kernel module is linked and "installed" at boot from one of a variety of sources
[20:52] <crd1b> sometimes the lrm scripts use the wrong one
[20:52] <Cpudan80> Alright so ehh
[20:53] <Cpudan80> It's actually the GDM that is not the right size
[20:53] <mindframe-> crdb1b: i only have .nvidia_new_installed
[20:53] <mindframe-> plus the kernel trees
[20:53] <Cpudan80> like the GDM only takes up 1024x768 on the bigger monitor --- it should use up the full 1280x1024
[20:53] <Cpudan80> Any ideas how to fix it?
[20:53] <dotech> well i give up for now, ill try again later
[20:54] <crd1b> mindframe-: hmm, as a workaround, try putting in /etc/default/linux-restricted-modules-common: DISABLED_MODULES="nvidia_legacy nvidia"
[20:54] <SilverDawn> Anyone here play tremulous
[20:54] <stefano_> i have a hard time formatting a hard drive, i think it has some bad sectors, so i would need to low-level-format it (i guess?) how would i go about this? (i'm on a notebook and the hard drive is connected via usb)
[20:54] <crd1b> that will leave only nvidia_new so it'll be forced to use it
[20:57] <mindframe-> crd1b, that worked. thanks a lot.
[20:58] <crd1b> cool
[21:01] <Cpudan80> Anybody have any ideas?
[21:03] <Cpudan80> To repeat --- Monitor 1: 1024x768 -- Monitor 2: 1290x1024. They are setup to mirror each other. That works ok except the secondary monitor's panels and stuff are all the wrong size. Like the GDM (on startup) only uses 1024x768 on the big monitor. The gnome panels dont extend all the way across on the big monitor
[21:03] <Cpudan80> 1280x1024 on the big one -- sorry -- typo
[21:04] <akk> If they were different resolutions, they wouldn't really be mirroring each other, would they?
[21:04] <Cpudan80> yeah I guess not
[21:04] <Cpudan80> I wonder if setting it up as an extension will fix the problem
[21:04] <akk> I doubt there's anything that copies a scaled version from one monitor onto another monitor
[21:05] <akk> Do you have a dual head video card so you could even do that?
[21:05] <Cpudan80> umm yes I do
[21:05] <Cpudan80> Its a laptop
[21:05] <Cpudan80> the external ports are rendered separately from the panel (as far as I know
[21:06] <akk> okay, didn't know how common it was. My laptop just has one head, but it's old.
[21:06] <Cpudan80> Mine is from 05
[21:11] <_sidd> Did firefox disappear in the latest update?
[21:11] <stefano_> fsck gives me errors i can't interpretate, can someone help me?
[21:15] <derspankster> _ssid: yes FF3 is gone
[21:23] <hewhocutsdown> try again....could anyone help me with a question regarding external USB storage devices? I have two, both worked under gutsy, only one works under hardy heron
[21:24] <RyanPrior> Can I force programs to use the PulseAudio server even if they don't have an option to do it explicitly?
[21:26] <cowbud> ryanakca: esddsp
[21:26] <cowbud> grr
[21:26] <cowbud> RyanPrior: esddsp
[21:26] <_sidd> derspankster: any idea why?
[21:26] <RyanPrior> !esddsp
[21:26] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about esddsp - try searching on http://ubotu.ubuntu-nl.org/factoids.cgi
[21:26] <DensuX> Hey all! Are there any users here who are currently using the Ubuntu 8.04 BETA version? If so i was wondering if they can help me with something. I am currently trying to get filesharing to work. I installed samba i added the shares to the smb.conf etc. Now when i go to network locations i see the shares pop up but when i try to open them it tells me cannot mount windows share. I used to add shares with the shared folders tool that you can fi
[21:26] <DensuX> nd under system --> administration --> shared folders. But this tool seems to have disappeared from the menu since one of the recent updates. Anyone know what the problem might be?
[21:26] <cowbud> RyanPrior: try man esddsp
[21:26] <hewhocutsdown> i've got output for dmesg and lsusb if that's of any help
[21:26] <RyanPrior> !man esddsp
[21:26] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about man esddsp - try searching on http://ubotu.ubuntu-nl.org/factoids.cgi
[21:27] <cowbud> RyanPrior: sorry I meanted on the command line
[21:27] <cowbud> like the man command
[21:27] <cowbud> meanted? wtf damn I must really be losing my mind
[21:27] <cowbud> meant
[21:27] <RyanPrior> No manual entry for esddsp
[21:27] <MTecknology> pidgin is crashing on me now....
[21:28] <cowbud> damn
[21:28] <cowbud> alright then do this
[21:28] <RyanPrior> Besidies, I thought PulseAudio was a replacement for esd?
[21:28] <Sergeant_Pony> alsa
[21:28] <cowbud> aptitude install esound-clients
[21:28] <cowbud> Sergeant_Pony: no
[21:28] <cowbud> he is right
[21:28] <cowbud> RyanPrior: and it is esd compatible
[21:28] <cowbud> so having that will make it play over pulse audio
[21:29]  * Jaymac finally got his iwlwifi working after installing nm0.7 and linux-backports-modules :D
[21:30] <Sergeant_Pony> I need someone that really knows Pulse Audio and Toshiba laptop's to help me out...
[21:31] <hewhocutsdown> hello? Could anyone help out with navigating problems with USB storage devices? I have 2, one which works (80GB laptop-size drive) and a Drobo (RAID-like 4-disk storage device)
[21:31] <hewhocutsdown> the former works, the latter does not
[21:31] <cowbud> Sergeant_Pony: why don't you just ask your question and maybe someone will no your particular problem instead of narrowing the amount of people that could help you
[21:31] <DensuX> I am currently trying to get file sharing with windows to work. I installed samba i added the shares to the smb.conf etc. Now when i go to network locations i see the shares pop up but when i try to open them it tells me cannot mount windows share. I used to add shares with the shared folders tool that you can find under system --> administration --> shared folders. But this tool seems to have disappeared from the menu since one of the recent
[21:31] <DensuX>  updates. Anyone know what the problem might be?
[21:32] <Sergeant_Pony> card 0: SB [HDA ATI SB], device 0: ALC861 Analog [ALC861 Analog] <-- I have this card. it works somewhat under OSS. I want to use it under Pulse Audio because I think OSS sucks.
[21:33] <cowbud> Sergeant_Pony: first off, ALSA is similar to OSS where ESD is similar to Pulseaudio. ESD/PulseAudio != OSS != ALSA
[21:33] <cowbud> Sergeant_Pony: are you running hardy with the default installation if so what makes you think you are using OSS at all?
[21:34] <Sergeant_Pony> cowbud: ok... Sound preferences tells me it is
[21:34] <cowbud> Sergeant_Pony: it is using a OSS driver which translates to it still using alsa
[21:34] <cowbud> driver as in software not hardware driver
[21:35] <Sergeant_Pony> with pulse audio on the sound meter the bars move up and down... no sound coming from the speakers
[21:35] <cowbud> Sergeant_Pony: what program are you using?
[21:35] <cowbud> to play sound..
[21:35] <Sergeant_Pony> rythmnBox
[21:35] <Sergeant_Pony> for my music cd's
[21:36] <Sergeant_Pony> no sound on websites etc...
[21:36] <cowbud> so you go to Sound Preferences via the gnome MEnu and it says Sound Events: OSS or what?
[21:36] <Sergeant_Pony> oss correct
[21:37] <cowbud> and when you click on the Sound Playback drop down what are your other options?
[21:39] <Sergeant_Pony> cowbud alc861 analog, autodetect, alsa, esd, oss, pulseaudio server
[21:39] <cowbud> Sergeant_Pony: so when you select pulse audio sound server you get no sound at all?
[21:39] <cowbud> even when you click on test?
[21:39] <Sergeant_Pony> nope even on a test
[21:39] <cowbud> Sergeant_Pony: and I assume you are running hardy right?
[21:39] <syke> I just installed kdewebkit and am now getting a crash when konq starts:
[21:39] <KNY> Google is telling me "no", but have any of you had any luck getting vmware-server working on 8.04?
[21:39] <Sergeant_Pony> correct
[21:39] <syke> #5  0x00007ff217eeb7b9 in QWebPage::~QWebPage ()
[21:39] <syke>    from /usr/lib/libQtWebKit.so.0d
[21:39] <syke> #6  0x00007ff218662cce in ?? () from /usr/lib/kde4/lib/kde4/libwebkitkde.so
[21:39] <syke> #7  0x00007ff22454397b in KParts::Part::~Part ()
[21:39] <syke>    from /usr/lib/kde4/lib/libkparts.so.4
[21:39] <syke> #8  0x00007ff218662420 in ?? () from /usr/lib/kde4/lib/kde4/libwebkitkde.so
[21:39] <syke> #9  0x00007ff22611cda6 in KonqView::switchView ()
[21:40] <cowbud> Sergeant_Pony: completely up to date?
[21:40] <cowbud> syke: don't paste that in here
[21:40] <Sergeant_Pony> cowbud yes 100% up to date
[21:40] <cowbud> Sergeant_Pony: and you have rebooted recently to have the latest kernel loaded etc etc?
[21:40] <Sergeant_Pony> cowbud: yup I'm using the latest kernel
[21:40] <cowbud> Sergeant_Pony: ps auxwww | grep pulse
[21:41] <cowbud> Sebastian: run that in a termal and tell me what you get back
[21:41] <cowbud> I am looking for something like:  /usr/bin/pulseaudio --log-target=syslog
[21:42] <Sergeant_Pony> 1000      6605  0.0  0.2   5668  1332 ?        S    13:28   0:00 /usr/lib/pulseaudio/pulse/gconf-helper
[21:42] <Sergeant_Pony> 1000      9760  0.0  0.1   3008   780 pts/1    S+   16:41   0:00 grep pulse
[21:42] <cowbud> Sergeant_Pony: type id at the command line
[21:42] <cowbud> what is your uid?
[21:42] <syke> brb
[21:43] <cowbud> it seems weird to me that you are getting uid 1000 in your ps auxwww instead of your username
[21:43] <cowbud> alright do this as a regular user: killall -9 pulseaudio
[21:43] <cowbud> Sergeant_Pony: then run this in the same terminal: /usr/bin/pulseaudio --log-target=syslog
[21:43] <cowbud> that will give us some debugging information
[21:44] <cowbud> don't paste all that here :)
[21:44] <cowbud> you can paste it in #PASTE
[21:45] <Sergeant_Pony> lol
[21:45] <cowbud> or using a pastebin
[21:49] <sourcemaker> I have installed virtualbox but the module is not found... do I need a restart of system or should I compile the module from source
[21:49] <geniehost> hello all
[21:50] <geniehost> I am trying to install Ubuntu 8.4 on dell Latitude D830, but I get the following error: cannot find root fs
[21:50] <geniehost> how can I install it?
[21:51] <xtknight> anyone else have issues with the trash icon?  shows full when trash is empty?
[21:51] <xtknight> ive seemed to have these since dapper, at least
[21:51] <geniehost> some times yes
[21:52] <geniehost> just delete any things and empty it and this will fix it
[21:52] <DensuX> xtknight: nope my trash applet works fine.
[21:52] <xtknight> well i emptied it but it shows full
[21:52] <geniehost> first delete any file
[21:52] <geniehost> then empty it
[21:52] <geniehost> this should fix it
[21:52] <xtknight> o
[21:52] <DensuX> :)
[21:53] <xtknight> nope i tried deleing something else
[21:53] <xtknight> and emptying, but still the same issue
[21:53] <geniehost> then remove it from the menu and add it again
[21:53] <xtknight> there we go
[21:54] <geniehost> I am trying to install Ubuntu 8.4 on dell Latitude D830, but I get the following error: cannot find root fs - any idea?
[21:54] <orvokki> !info firefox
[21:54] <ubotu> firefox (source: firefox-3.0): meta package for the popular mozilla web browser. In component main, is optional. Version 3.0~b4+nobinonly-0ubuntu1 (hardy), package size 61 kB, installed size 116 kB
[21:54] <charles__> anyone have an issue where installing todays updates deleted firefox?
[21:55] <billisnice> i did
[21:55] <billisnice> lol
[21:55] <orvokki> Deleted? o.O
[21:55] <_sidd> charles__: Yea. I had the same thing happen.
[21:55] <xtknight> oh really?
[21:55] <xtknight> damn
[21:55] <orvokki> It just updated Firefox for me.
[21:55] <billisnice> lots of bugs, i am sure they will iron them out
[21:55] <xtknight> i was just about to press 'y' on upgrade
[21:55] <xtknight> :)
[21:55] <charles__> _sidd, how did you get around it?
[21:55] <derspankster> charles_: not an issue, a feature
[21:55] <orvokki> Or tried to anyway.
[21:55] <geniehost> I am trying to install Ubuntu 8.4 on dell Latitude D830, but I get the following error: cannot find root fs - any idea?
[21:55] <eljefe> How smart is Kubuntu dist-upgrade to Hardy?  All of my previous dist-upgrades (well, Adept version upgrades) have always been a desaster...
[21:55] <charles__> derspankster, how so?
[21:55] <orvokki> Hmm, appears the update was broken.
[21:55] <orvokki> Goody, goody.
[21:55] <bluefoxx> i am having trouble with my network.
[21:55] <bluefoxx> i can't connect with my onboard ethernet and it wont be recognized. i have to disable it in the bios to get anything to connect, and now am using a PCI adaptor.
[21:55] <_sidd> charles__:  I just reinstalled it sudo aptitude install firefox
[21:56] <billisnice> the update put a firefox in the panel and i could not open firefox
[21:56] <derspankster> FF3?
[21:56] <billisnice> yep, version 3
[21:56] <charles__> _sidd, ah ok, I guess they changed firefox3 to just firefox
[21:56] <derspankster> I'm back to FF2, 3 is too buggy
[21:57] <_sidd> charles__: Yea... that's my guess... and after reinstalling, it seems to be working okay.
[21:57] <xtknight> it didn't screw up my FF
[21:57] <geniehost> I am trying to install Ubuntu 8.4 on dell Latitude D830, but I get the following error: cannot find root fs - any idea?
[21:57] <derspankster> charles_: what version is reported?
[21:57] <orvokki> firefox == Version: 3.0~b5+nobinonly-0ubuntu1
[21:57] <xtknight> i just have an updated ff3 b5 now
[21:57] <bluefoxx> im also finding that i have to open synaptic twice before it will ask for my password
[21:57] <DensuX> geniehost: when do you get this error?
[21:57] <orvokki> xtknight: Tried starting it?
[21:57] <xtknight> orvokki, yea
[21:57] <orvokki> xtknight: It's broken for me.
[21:57] <mpoz2> Which is the official place for Laptop/PowerManagement configuration? /etc/acpi, /etc/pm, /etc/laptop-mode or gnome-power-manager's gconf-settings? I'm confused. Where should I put my scripts. Which does Hardy run by default?
[21:57] <geniehost> today
[21:57] <billisnice> lots of bugs in today updates
[21:57] <xtknight> orvokki, no problems hre
[21:58] <geniehost> DensuX, today
[21:58] <bluefoxx> another thing: i can only boot properly from the generic kernel now
[21:58] <xtknight> and my profile is still intact
[21:58] <DensuX> geniehost: During install or during boot?
[21:58] <bluefoxx> and my updates are still broken
[21:58] <geniehost> DensuX, installation
[21:58] <xtknight> maybe they just updated firefox again?
[21:58] <xtknight> i installed updates 5 secs ago
[21:58] <DensuX> geniehost: How did you partition your hard drives?
[22:00] <orvokki> xtknight: Ah, right. Seems I forgot Firefox running during the upgrade.
[22:00] <orvokki> That causes the problems
[22:00] <geniehost> DensuX, 2 partition one for windows other one for Linux
[22:01] <DensuX> geniehost: Did u manually partition or did you chose one of the standard options provided by ubuntu?
[22:01] <derspankster> I find no FF updates
[22:01] <bluefoxx> is airsnort in the repos?
[22:02] <sourcemaker> Virtualbox does not work in hardy... can't load the module... what's wrong
[22:02] <gluer> coz: 8.04 lts beta?
[22:02] <geniehost> DensuX, i am not reaching to partitioning
[22:03] <geniehost> DensuX, first screen which chossing install Ubuntu then the error msg will come
[22:03] <orvokki> Ah, for God's sake. FF3 b5 broke even more extensions.
[22:03] <DensuX> geniehost: ah
[22:03] <sourcemaker> No suitable module for running kernel found, but the modules are installed... do I need a restart?
[22:03] <derspankster> orvokki: not surprised
[22:04] <geniehost> DensuX, any Idea?
[22:04] <orvokki> Hmm, anyone remember how to get FF3 to ignore compatibility checks and just try to use the extensions?
[22:05] <DensuX> geniehost: maybe try checking the cd image. If it can't load the root file system it's likely that the image may be corrupt or the disk might dirty or scratched. Not sure thought but first try making sure the disk is working properly
[22:05] <sami> i´m wondering what might be wrong with my hardy heron, because it still keep crashing all the time. i´m not sure what program cause it.. any ideas?
[22:08] <sami> everything else is frozen but my mouse.. i can get to login screen when i press ctrl+sysrq+k combination..
[22:08] <ryanzec> are there any plan to move alsa 1.0.16 to ubuntu 8.04, I know i need to manually download and compile it to get my sound card to properly work?
[22:09] <orvokki> Right, solved now.
[22:11] <sourcemaker> !virtualbox
[22:11] <ubotu> virtualbox is a x86 !virtualizer. A !free edition is available in !Gutsy as 'virtualbox-ose'. A non-free edition is available at http://virtualbox.org for most Ubuntu releases (help in #vbox) - Setup details at https://help.ubuntu.com/community/VirtualBox
[22:13] <charles__> is hardy actually planning on releasing with a beta version of firefox?
[22:13] <geniehost> DensuX, I try to install it in my desktop and works fine
[22:13] <bluefoxx> what should i use for a ralink rt2460p pci wifi card? 802.11b protocol
[22:13] <geniehost> DensuX, but with Laptop now working
[22:14] <DensuX> geniehost: it's working now?
[22:14] <geniehost> DensuX, in laptop still getting same error
[22:14] <geniehost> DensuX, but on Desktop pc working
[22:14] <DensuX> geniehost: so after you select the install option on your laptop you get the error
[22:15] <geniehost> just when I do install
[22:15] <geniehost> DensuX, I got error after some times
[22:16] <geniehost> DensuX, I cannot login in Live Session
[22:16] <geniehost> DensuX, bez error come before Live Session
[22:16] <DensuX> geniehost: weird
[22:17] <bluefoxx> ok, why can't i friggen install wireshark now?
[22:17] <geniehost> DensuX, I try to change Harddisk mode from SATA2 to ATA but sillt same error
[22:17] <geniehost> DensuX, I am talking about changing the mode from Laptop BIOS
[22:18] <DensuX> geniehost: Well I haven't got a clue what might be causing it then. Try to google the error. maybe you will find an answer on there. Sorry that I can't be of more help.
[22:19] <geniehost> DensuX, thank you very much ;-)
[22:19] <DensuX> geniehost: np :D
[22:19] <geniehost> DensuX, I appreciate your help ;-)
[22:20] <crimsun> if ryanzec comes in again, he should be aware that 1.0.16 already is in 8.04
[22:35] <Meshezabeel> has the firefox uninstall when updating been fixed yet?
[22:36] <fraroco> hello everybody, I've updated ubuntu and I do not know that happened but firefox now does not open hotmail ... !!!
[22:37] <dapiz987> hotmail does not work properly with firefox 3 beta 4
[22:37] <dapiz987> whis is what comes with 8.04 beta
[22:37] <dapiz987> is this what you have?
[22:37] <cowbud> b5 is already out
[22:37] <dapiz987> i know
[22:38] <cowbud> so hopefully that will fix it
[22:38] <cowbud> heh
[22:38] <dapiz987> 8.04 ships with b4
[22:38] <cowbud> file an urgent bug
[22:38] <cowbud> if b5 fixes it
[22:38] <dapiz987> it dosnt, lol, i tried it on my windows machine
[22:38] <cowbud> ah hah
[22:38] <cowbud> try downloading the agent changer I bet it'll work fine then ;)
[22:39] <dapiz987> any way, 8.04 also comes with firefox 2 (just in case), you can get to it by going to applications>internet>firefox 2 (assuming you are using gnome)
[22:40] <fraroco> dapiz987, how can i update to b5'
[22:40] <fraroco> ?
[22:40] <xtknight> orvokki, ya i closed my ff prior to update.  that's why
[22:40] <fraroco> cowbud, how can I update to b5?
[22:40] <dapiz987> im working on the b5 update myself
[22:40] <dapiz987> i have the files, but i cant get them to compile
[22:41] <fraroco> dapiz987, ok ...
[22:41] <cowbud> fraroco: I didn't know they froze it I figured an update would come through the pipelines you can download the binary and run it :)
[22:41] <fraroco> Ill try!
[22:41] <derspankster> fraroco: close FF2 and get FF3 B5 with synaptic
[22:41] <dapiz987> if you get it to work, id like you to tell me how though. heh
[22:42] <fraroco> derspankster, I do nothave ff2 ... I have ff3 b4 ... and Synaptic does not have any update for ff
[22:42] <DG19075> Just installed it here to my /home directory and copied/pastted my links to Java from the earlier beta to make it work in this one
[22:42] <fraroco> dapiz987, I ll :)
[22:43] <derspankster> I found  FF3 B5 in synaptic
[22:43] <dapiz987> i will check if b5 is in the repositories, ill ley u kno if it is, hold on a sec
[22:43] <dapiz987> **let
[22:43] <DG19075> Let's hope the Java problem is fixed
[22:43] <KNY> anyone around that would be able to help me with virtualization? (since vmware-server doesn't work in 8.04)
[22:43] <derspankster> java is fixed in B5 for me
[22:44] <dapiz987> i can't find it, are you sure its there?
[22:45] <yoandy> hi, i have a problem with 8.04 and bcm94311rev02, first i could see wifis thro nm, after last update it doesn't detect the card, any advice plz?
[22:47] <dapiz987> yoandy, do you mean it didn't work after update to 8.04, or it did work with 8.04 and now it dosnt?
[22:49] <yoandy> dapiz987: i mean: i updated to 8.04, could see APs but not connect, after las 8.04 update, hardy does not detect the b94311
[22:49] <dapiz987> derspankster, what was the exact package name of ff3 b5 in synaptic?
[22:50] <towlie_> who here is who here is running 8.04 on a laptop
[22:50] <dapiz987> me
[22:50] <fraroco> dapiz987, FF3 b5 does not be in synaptic
[22:50] <towlie_> have you used power management ?
[22:50] <dapiz987> yoandy, sorry i cant help with that
[22:50] <yoandy> dapiz987: my english is not very good, sorry if i didn't myself clear enought
[22:50] <dapiz987> towlie_, yes
[22:50] <towlie_> dapiz987, and have you had any problems with suspend on 8.04 ?
[22:50] <yoandy> dapiz987: any hints? any thing!
[22:51] <xtknight> i no longer get flashes on my taskbar when someone replies in an IM.  anyone else have this trouble?
[22:51] <xtknight> regression from gutsy
[22:51] <fraroco> dapiz987, yUUUJUUUUU
[22:51] <dapiz987> no problems with suspend, but hibernate and monitor power off dont work
[22:51] <towlie_> damn
[22:51] <towlie_> i wouldve thought that these problems would be fixed by now
[22:51] <fraroco> the upgrade of FF3 is now in the repositories ... ...
[22:52] <towlie_> dapiz987, when i say suspend i mean when you close the lid of the laptop the screen shuts off and the system goes into suspend mode
[22:52] <dapiz987> sorry yoandy, i can only help if i didnt work from the start
[22:53] <dapiz987> if IT didnt work...****
[22:53] <derspankster> dapiz987: 3.0~b5+nobinonly-0
[22:54] <yoandy> dapiz987: well, at least i could see APs, after last update ... not even that
[22:54] <dapiz987> hmm, thats not in mine
[22:54] <derspankster> dapiz987: got FF2?
[22:55] <dapiz987> towlie_, that works fine for me
[22:55] <dapiz987> derspankster, yes
[22:55] <derspankster> dapiz987: hmmm, well, then, you got me
[22:55] <dapiz987> lol, my pc is like that :)
[22:56] <derspankster> dapiz987: I have both 2 and 3B5
[22:56] <dapiz987> i have ff2 and 3b4
[22:56] <yoandy> how can i get ubuntu recognizes a piece of hardware?
[22:56] <dapiz987> to see if it does, or to make it?
[22:57] <DG19075> has FF2 and 3b5
[22:57] <derspankster> dapiz987: recent update removed B4 for me and then I installed B5
[22:57] <dapiz987> hmm
[22:57] <slipttees> hardy released in shipit ?
[22:57] <dapiz987> i just updated about an hour ago
[22:57] <yoandy> to make it!, i can see it doesnt
[22:58] <dapiz987> what bus does your wireless card use?
[22:58] <derspankster> sliptees: look and see
[22:58] <dapiz987> usb, pci, pcmcia
[22:58] <omar> Is there a way I can log on as root outside the terminal?
[22:58] <yoandy> well i can see it tro lspci, so i guess its pci
[23:00] <dapiz987> im really sorry yoandy, as i said, i can only help if it hasnt worked from the start
[23:00] <dapiz987> as far as i know, updates do not remove drivers, lol
[23:00] <dapiz987> this may seem stupid, but have you tried unpluging and repluging it?
[23:01] <towlie_> ive already got my system configured how i like it, especially with compiz fusion. is it possible to upgrade to 8.04 and keep all my settings ?
[23:01] <yoandy> dapiz987: tecnically :) it doesnt worked from the start, jejje, i could just see APs but could never connect :)
[23:02] <yoandy> dapiz987: the driver its there, the module its not loaded at boot, and if i do modprobe b43 it loads, but still no device
[23:02] <dapiz987> towlie_, i did, with 7.10 running, i just inserted the 8.04 cd, it asked if i would like to upgrade
[23:02] <towlie_> did u have compiz fusion installed on 7.10 ?
[23:02] <dapiz987> yoandy, really cant help ya, sorry
[23:03] <yoandy> dapiz987: ok, no problem.
[23:03] <dapiz987> i did, but it was not enabled
[23:03] <dapiz987> i am really sorry yoandy
[23:03] <dapiz987> :)
[23:05] <dapiz987> towlie_, i had used compiz fusion with 7.10, but i disabled it about a month before i upgraded
[23:05] <yoandy> dapiz987: just for curio... what stop you from helping on a issue since it first "worked" and not now?, just curiosity
[23:05] <mi> is some get error when u boot windows some dll files broken?
[23:05] <Melch> anyone one know why after a period of time I lose the ability to sleep?
[23:05] <towlie_> i love compiz. its the main reason why i installed ubuntu on my macbook
[23:05] <Melch> towlie can u sleep?
[23:06] <Melch> I have ubuntu on my macbook
[23:06] <towlie_> no
[23:06] <yoandy> Melch: i can sleep
[23:06] <towlie_> when i close the lid it doesnt sleep
[23:06] <towlie_> the fan still spins
[23:06] <cowbud> bugs been filed?
[23:06] <towlie_> and when i open the lid it doesnt resume
[23:06] <Melch> yoandy can you help me out?
[23:06] <dapiz987> yoandy, because i might be able to help you find and install a driver, but i cant diagnose the problem for crap if it just stops working
[23:06] <yoandy> well, i not an expert, but ... shut
[23:07] <Melch> yoandy what kind of macbook do u have
[23:07] <Melch> also does it consitantly go to sleep
[23:07] <towlie_> i have a 2.16ghz 2gb ram macbook pro
[23:07] <Melch> my macbook pro sleeps for a bit and then will randomly stop working
[23:07] <yoandy> Melch: oh, sorry!!, my its not a macbook,
[23:07] <Melch> did u do anything to enable it
[23:08] <Melch> yoandy what do u have
[23:08] <towlie_> is the beta stable enough to be usable ?
[23:08] <Melch> I use the beta and love it
[23:08] <yoandy> hp pavilion dv6645
[23:08] <Melch> except for this sleep problem
[23:08] <dapiz987> towlie_, i find it plenty stable
[23:08] <Melch> well thanks toandy
[23:08] <dapiz987> it does have sleep and hibernate issues
[23:08] <towlie_> and once the final is out, is it easy to upgrade from the beta to the final version
[23:09] <dapiz987> it was from 7.10 beta to 7.10
[23:09] <Melch> towlie_ did your macbook start sleeping out of the box?
[23:09] <dapiz987> ive used ubuntu since 5.04, lol
[23:10] <towlie_> melch it doesnt sleep
[23:10]  * slipttees using 4.10
[23:10] <Zambezi> Okay, I might be a little late, but FF3b4 crashes when I print, but not Opera.
[23:10] <Zambezi> Anyone with same experience?
[23:11] <xtknight> Zambezi, ya ive had that happen
[23:11] <xtknight> known bug i think
[23:11] <dapiz987> that reminds me, anybody have problems using a windows networked printer?
[23:12] <dapiz987> worked fine in 7.10 with the same setup, but now it dosnt
[23:13] <dapiz987> it is set up like this: EPSON r200 > windows pc > router > my linux pc
[23:13] <dapiz987> not a direct network printer
[23:13] <yoandy> dapiz987: ok, i undestood, thanks any way man, dont worry, sometime eventually, broadcom problem will get fixed, keep helping all those that u can! :)
[23:13] <Zambezi> xtknight: Good. Hope they fix it soon.
[23:14] <dapiz987> no problem, once again, i am very sorry i couldnt help
[23:14] <dapiz987> i got a prisim 2 lol
[23:14] <Zambezi> I just use Cups, but now directly connected to my computer.
[23:15] <derspankster> dapiz987: you have a broadcom problem?
[23:15] <dapiz987> no
[23:15] <Zambezi> But FF3b4 is crashing alot.
[23:15] <yoandy> derspankster: its me
[23:15] <yoandy> derspankster: i do
[23:15] <dapiz987> every time i search for the network printer, it just dosnt show up.....
[23:16] <yoandy> derspankster: can you help? i can explain! jejeje
[23:16] <derspankster> yoandy: you might want to take a look at this: http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=737549&highlight=hardy
[23:16] <yoandy> derspankster: ok, lets see
[23:17] <derspankster> yoandy: it worked for me
[23:17] <yoandy> derspankster: my its 94311 rev 02, yours?
[23:18] <xtknight> anyone noticed pidgin doesnt flash on taskbar anymore?  really frustrating
[23:18] <derspankster> yoandy: your broadcom? Mines a 4318
[23:18] <dapiz987> ya, dosnt for me either, bugs me too
[23:18] <yoandy> xtknight: for me it keeps flashing
[23:19] <xtknight> o
[23:19] <xtknight> weird
[23:19] <yoandy> derspankster: ok, it may not work for me since is a differente model/revision, any way im reading
[23:19] <dapiz987> towlie_ u still there?
[23:20] <derspankster> yoandy: it can't hurt - much
[23:21] <yoandy> xtknight: do you have "message notification" plugin active? im not sure if flashing its done that way, but maybe
[23:21] <f0rmat> can anyone tell me how to fix a permission problem i have i can access the folder /home/f0rmat from another account which has no sudo rights
[23:22] <mi> some1 get this error in dual boot -hal.dll error
[23:22] <xtknight> yoandy, i dont know but it worked by default on gutsy.  seems silly to be disabled by default anyways so i filed a bug
[23:22] <dapiz987> did you set ALL permissions to read and write?
[23:22] <towlie_> dapiz987, yea
[23:22] <xtknight> people with pidgin flash problems please Confirm Bug 212546 for me
[23:22] <ubotu> Launchpad bug 212546 in pidgin "pidgin no longer flashes/notifies on taskbar upon receipt of message" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/212546
[23:23] <dapiz987> towlie_, you said you were wondering if you wanted to upgrade to 8.04?
[23:23] <towlie_> dapiz987, yes
[23:23] <f0rmat> ( su - lfs
[23:23] <f0rmat> Password:
[23:23] <f0rmat> No directory, logging in with HOME=/
[23:23] <f0rmat> )
[23:23] <dapiz987> do you have an nvidia geforce go?
[23:23] <towlie_> dapiz987, who me ?
[23:23] <dapiz987> yes
[23:24] <towlie_> dapiz987, no im on a macbook pro
[23:24] <dapiz987> ok nevermind then
[23:24] <Zambezi> f0rmat: Do you know what a repo is?
[23:24] <towlie_> they have integrated ati
[23:24] <yoandy> dapiz987: i hace an nvidia geforce go, whats with that?
[23:24] <f0rmat> yes repository
[23:24] <Zambezi> f0rmat: Yes, but what is it and how do you change it?
[23:25] <f0rmat> how to change a repository :S
[23:25] <dapiz987> jus gunna tell towlie_ that they fixed the mobile screen blackout problem
[23:25] <f0rmat> i dunno
[23:25] <f0rmat> i am trying to make one myself
[23:25] <yoandy> dapiz987: oh, ok, great! :)
[23:25] <f0rmat> but i am having chmod troubles
[23:25] <Zambezi> f0rmat: Then Hardy isn't a good choice for you...
[23:25] <dapiz987> dod you have that problem with 7.10?
[23:25] <f0rmat> people having access to every account without password
[23:25] <dapiz987> *did
[23:26] <f0rmat> chmod should be the same with every distro
[23:26] <Immersion> Hey everyone. Could anyone tell me why I can't edit /etc/modprobe.d/alsa-base?
[23:26] <Zambezi> f0rmat: Hardy require more patient, more time, effort and knowlegde. So if you're sticking with it, be prepared that something would work normally in Gutsy, won't in Hardy.
[23:26] <pen> how to change the system input method?
[23:27] <f0rmat> but they didn't work in gutsy
[23:27] <f0rmat> :S
[23:27] <yoandy> dapiz987: nope, no problem with my nvidia on 7.10, but it great to hear a problem got fixed.
[23:27] <pen> or AKA default input method
[23:27] <f0rmat> i used to be able to access other peoples home folders without sudo
[23:28] <yoandy> *its
[23:28] <dapiz987> yoandy, what the problem was, was that as soon as you installed the nvidia drivers and restarted, the screen would be black and you needed to manually edit xorg.conf
[23:29] <throe> so this is the hardy heron place?
[23:29] <stefg> throe: /topic :-)
[23:29] <yoandy> dapiz987: mmm i dont remember having such a prob.
[23:30] <throe> yeh...
[23:30] <dapiz987> u got lucky! :) it was a common problem lol
[23:30] <dapiz987> anyway, i gotta take off
[23:30] <dapiz987> see everyone later
[23:30] <throe> How come i no longer am able to use roaming mode with my wireless i hardy, whilst working perfectly well in gutsy
[23:31] <stefg> throe: /topic :-)
[23:31] <cowbud> and file bugs about anything like that!
[23:31] <marex_v2> hi, when I try to boot up hardy it crashes and shows me something like that [...] saa7134[0]/alsa: saa7134[0] at 0x...... irq 17 registered as card -2 (newline) [...] BUG: unable to handle kernel NULL pointer dereference at virtual address 0000001 followed by debugging output and a call trace
[23:31] <yoandy> dapiz987: well my luck is running out
[23:31] <throe> What do you mean, "topic?"
[23:31] <throe> i got a dumb question and I should rtfm?
[23:31] <throe> :P
[23:32] <stefg> throe: hardy isn't ready, not all restricted drivers necessary for wifi may be in place
[23:32] <throe> oh
[23:32] <stefg> throe: /topic :-)
[23:32] <stefg> see what i mean?
[23:32] <throe> so thats the reason
[23:32] <Immersion> Hey everyone. Could anyone tell me why I can't edit /etc/modprobe.d/alsa-base?
[23:33] <throe> makes sense i guess
[23:33] <yoandy> on last kernel update (2.6.24.15) i was hoping my card got working, but no, it got worst!
[23:33] <throe> well i can perfectly well use my wifi
[23:33] <throe> just not roaming mode
[23:34] <yoandy> throe: what card?
[23:34] <stefg> throe: so network manager might still have issues.
[23:34] <yoandy> throe: mines bcm94311 rev 02
[23:34] <throe> how do i check my card?
[23:34] <throe> i know it is cisco systems
[23:34] <throe> but not the model
[23:35] <yoandy> mmm lspci | grep Network
[23:35] <throe> any cmd i can enter?
[23:35] <erichj> is firefox broken for anyone else after latest update?
[23:36] <LibertyShadow> erichj, YES
[23:36] <throe> when i  right click the nm-applet i cannot press Enable Wireless
[23:36] <Turski> no
[23:36] <Turski> firefox works fine and updated fine for me
[23:36] <yoandy> erichj: not mine
[23:36] <Turski> i updated just few minutes ago
[23:37] <erichj> hmm, i can only get to other sites by clicking a link, the address bar doesn't work. also, about firefox is empty when you click on it
[23:37] <erichj> google search box is broken as well
[23:37] <Immersion> Anyone know any information about the Macbook's Intel HDA-Based Inetgrated Chipset, such as how to get it working on Hardy?
[23:37] <erichj> http://bugs.launchpad.net/   ---this is so I can actually go to the site.
[23:38] <stefg> erichj: try a fresh profile (and use default theme)
[23:38] <LibertyShadow> way long time ago I saw a crack with Immersion attached to it :D
[23:38] <Turski> Immersion: doesn't it work without anything special?
[23:38] <throe> Guess...ill just have to wait then
[23:38] <Immersion> Well it's not playing through Amarok.
[23:38] <Turski> I think HDA-based chips should work easily
[23:38] <Immersion> Libertyshadow, Wasn't me lol. :-P
[23:39] <LibertyShadow> Just sayin
[23:39] <jaffarkelshac> can i adjust my lcd brightness on my laptop through terminal. i lost the control after the last kernal update
[23:39] <Turski> Immersion: are you sure there isn't anything muted?
[23:39] <Immersion> Turski, It's not working in Amarok or VNC.
[23:40] <Turski> :S
[23:40] <erichj> stefg:  any menu option that pops up another window comes up empty
[23:40] <Immersion> Not in Ubuntu.
[23:40] <Turski> do you know what chip it is?
[23:40] <Immersion> Turski, is it possible that my other boot is on mute and is making my sound not work?
[23:40] <Turski> eh...?
[23:40] <Turski> does it show up in lspci?
[23:41] <Immersion> Dunno what that is :-/
[23:41] <Turski> just type lspci
[23:41] <Immersion> *very* recent OS X convert.
[23:41] <Turski> are you in ubuntu now?
[23:41] <LibertyShadow> erichj, just fixed firefox
[23:41] <dotech> lspci is in os x too :)
[23:41] <Turski> oh
[23:41] <stefg> erichj: so the chrome is broken... incompatible themes/addons.. FF3 makes much more use of gtk themes, so a broken gtk theme might also make trouble. use all the default themes in gnome and FF and try a fresh profile w/o any addons
[23:41] <Immersion> I never used terminal in OSX :-/
[23:41] <Turski> use now ;)
[23:42] <erichj> stefg: I am using default everything
[23:42] <Immersion> Turski: sudo apt-get install build-essential autoconf automake
[23:42] <Immersion> Opps
[23:42] <Turski> ...
[23:42] <erichj> stefg: how do I use another profile if I can't use any of the menus?
[23:42] <Immersion> Turski: 00:1b.0 Audio device: Intel Corporation 82801H (ICH8 Family) HD Audio Controller (rev 03)
[23:43] <stefg> erichj: run firefox -p from terminal and add a new one
[23:43] <Turski> yeh... i think that should work fine
[23:43] <crimsun> Immersion: are you using GNOME or KDE?
[23:43] <erichj> stefg: thanks
[23:43] <Turski> i have 00:1b.0 Audio device: Intel Corporation 82801I (ICH9 Family) HD Audio Controller (rev 02)
[23:43] <crimsun> Turski: there's not enough info to be able to tell yet ;)
[23:43] <Immersion> Crimsun: gnome
[23:43] <Turski> Immersion: but are you in osx or ubuntu now?
[23:44] <Immersion> Ubuntu'
[23:44] <crimsun> Turski: the relevant information is the SSID, not that line.  (You'd need `lspci -nv|grep -A1 040[13]')
[23:44] <dotech> Sirius radio doesn't work in FFX3 :\
[23:44] <dotech> at least not for me
[23:44] <crimsun> Immersion: please open a Terminal  (Applications> Accessories> Terminal)
[23:44] <dotech> i wonder if opera works
[23:44] <stefg> erichj: scratch that... doesn't work
[23:44] <Immersion> crimsun, I'm there.
[23:45] <Turski> Immersion: so are you sure there isn't anything muted in mixer?
[23:45] <crimsun> Immersion: now type:  ps -C pulseaudio
[23:45] <erichj> stefg: actually it did work
[23:45] <stefg> erichj: rather run firefox -safe-mode
[23:45] <Immersion> Crimsun, Typed it, do you want the output?
[23:45] <crimsun> Immersion: just the last line
[23:45] <Immersion> Turski: Nothings muted. :-/
[23:46] <Immersion>  5726 ?        00:00:01 pulseaudio
[23:46] <stefg> erichj: strange ... no profile manager was popping up on my box... as it used to with FF2. But on the other hand my FF works just fine
[23:46] <erichj> stefg: I found the issue. after the update I restarted firefox but the process didn't end. so it was still running beta 4 instead of beta 5. I just killed the process and everything is working great now
[23:46] <crimsun> Immersion: ok, now type: paplay /usr/share/sounds/*up.wav
[23:47] <Immersion> Crimsun, It ran for a few seconds, no sound.
[23:47] <Thib_> hi folks
[23:48] <crimsun> Immersion: ok, now type: wget http://hg.alsa-project.org/alsa/raw-file/tip/alsa-info.sh && bash ./alsa-info.sh
[23:48] <Immersion> crimsun, Now, run it?
[23:49] <crimsun> Immersion: if you typed the entire command (including everything after the '&&'), it would have run.
[23:49] <derspankster> yoandy: you ever get anywhere with your card?
[23:49] <Immersion> crimsun, It's doing the "Are you sure you want to run this? [y/n]
[23:49] <crimsun> Immersion: say 'y'
[23:50] <Immersion> crimsun, Your ALSA information is located at http://pastebin.ca/973129
[23:51] <dotech> crimsun, if i'm having an issue with a USB decoder should i follow your instructions too?
[23:52] <dotech> it plays the ubuntu "Login" sound when i first connect it while ubuntu is running then nothing
[23:52] <crimsun> dotech: yes.
[23:52] <Immersion> For the record, crimson, Thank you very much for your help so far.
[23:52] <Immersion> crimsun, rather.
[23:52] <dotech> crimsun, okay thanks, i'll give it shot
[23:53] <crimsun> Immersion: which macbook model?
[23:54] <Immersion> Jan'08 model, 2.2ghz White
[23:55] <crimsun> Immersion: ah, then it needs a quirk
[23:55] <crimsun> that model is too new to be in the ALSA version that Ubuntu Hardy ships currently.
[23:55] <Immersion> Oh.
[23:55] <omar> Guys, thanks to all of you!
[23:55] <omar> I did it! :D
[23:56] <hackeron> ffmpeg: error while loading shared libraries: libx264.so.54: cannot open shared object file: No such file or directory
[23:56] <crimsun> Immersion: out of curiosity, does increasing the 'Surround' level give you audible audio?
[23:56] <Gnine> bug 205654
[23:56] <ubotu> Launchpad bug 205654 in firefox-3.0 "firefox crashed with SIGSEGV in memcpy()" [Undecided,Invalid] https://launchpad.net/bugs/205654
[23:56] <hackeron> that's what I get on latest hardy when I try to run ffmpeg :(
[23:56] <Gnine> shame .. thats what i just got
[23:56] <xtknight> hackeron, try running "sudo ldconfig" and try again?
[23:56] <Immersion> Crimsun, I do not see a "Surround" level. But I'm getting no audible sound.
[23:57] <crimsun> Immersion: in the Terminal,  amixer set 'Surround' 80%
[23:57] <hackeron> xtknight: no change :(
[23:58] <hackeron> xtknight: I'm just going to compile it from source I guess
[23:58] <xtknight> hackeron, do you have libx264 installed
[23:58] <xtknight> hackeron, maybe ffmpeg should Depend on libx264 (a bug)
[23:58] <Immersion> crimsun, I'm not getting any sound. I have VNC playing an mp3 to test.
[23:59] <crimsun> Immersion: after you executed that amixer command?
[23:59] <Immersion> Yes.
[23:59] <crimsun> and do you mean VLC?
[23:59] <crimsun> you should be using that paplay command from before
[23:59] <hackeron> xtknight: it does, but I have libx264.so.57 installed, and ffmpeg is compiled for libx264.so.54
[23:59] <Immersion> Yes VLC, sorry.
[23:59] <dotech> crimsun, when i run paplay the audio comes from my onboard output, not my usb decoder
[23:59] <xtknight> hackeron, did you compile x264 yourself?