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erle-Turski, it is00:00
erle-every core 2 chip is00:00
Turskioh, lol00:00
dotechyou can run 32-bit on it of course, but 64-bit would be 8-12% faster if you have <=4gb of ram00:00
dotecheven better if you have > 4gb00:00
erle-thats the major difference between core duo and core 2 duo00:00
Turskii have always thought that it's 32-bit00:00
Turskiand i have c2d too :D00:00
dotechc2q here00:00
erle-Turski, check /proc/cpuinfo00:00
dotechit was on sale :)00:00
erle-you will find a flag "lm" for long mode00:01
pvandewyngaerdei have 64 bit and 4 GiB of RAM00:01
larson9999i got this vsmile handheld and a gba pre backlit.  i should be able to merge those and have backlight.00:01
dotecherle-, ill try manually writing the ext3 fs00:01
Thib_anybody?00:01
Thib_surely the device manager hasn't disappeared00:02
Turskierle-: yeh, it's there00:02
pvandewyngaerdeflags           : fpu vme de pse tsc msr pae mce cx8 apic sep mtrr pge mca cmov pat pse36 clflush mmx fxsr sse sse2 syscall nx mmxext lm 3dnowext 3dnow rep_good00:02
Thib_I'm just disoriented from 7.10 to 8.0400:02
Turskiflags           : fpu vme de pse tsc msr pae mce cx8 apic sep mtrr pge mca cmov pat pse36 clflush dts acpi mmx fxsr sse sse2 ss ht tm pbe nx lm constant_tsc arch_perfmon pebs bts pni monitor ds_cpl vmx smx est tm2 ssse3 cx16 xtpr lahf_lm00:02
erle64-my isp is ...00:03
erle64-no stable connection today..00:03
larson9999this old pc is so fast, i can't imagine what i'd do with IP-35 pro motherboard, intel core 2 quad, 8gb memory, using 64-bit00:03
erle64-larson9999, media encoding00:04
erle64-encryption00:04
erle64-zipping00:04
dotechhahah00:04
erle64-...00:04
erle64-:D00:04
dotechthats why i got it, sick of my unit tests taking 30 seconds00:04
larson9999erle64-, well, i do that already.00:04
dotechi want them done in milliseconds00:04
larson9999not big on encrypting though00:04
dotechthe cpu is only 18C right now too, i should be able to overclock it to 3.6ghz00:05
erle64-my core2 duo 2 ghz laptop cpu is 5 times faster than my pentium 4 desktop 3.4 ghz00:05
dotechits 2.4ghz stock00:05
erle64-when encoding dvd-ripped video data00:05
larson9999maybe i'm just too slow00:05
Thib_hal-device-manager00:05
Thib_oh, hmm, apparently it's not on 8.0400:05
Thib_there is only hal-device.00:05
erle64-dotech, the fs tools if hardy are from march 13th00:06
erle64-maybe there is a bug in mke2fs00:06
larson9999says i got to reboot00:07
erle64-dotech, are you shure that you can overclock that much?00:08
Daisuke-Idoerle-, let him blow it up :)00:08
erle64-Daisuke-Ido, i don't think that it starts burning00:08
erle64-but it will not work correct00:09
Thib_so, the idea is that if the restricted hardware dialog tells me that the wireless LAN driver is "enabled" and "in use" then my wireless should work00:09
Thib_but I don't see it anywhere00:09
clarezoeanyone can help, urgent, I can't connect to internet any more00:09
Thib_*restricted drivers dialog00:09
Thib_only the wired interface appears in the network manager app, ifconfig and iwconfig00:10
erle64-what driver? what card?00:10
dotechhaha sweeet00:11
dotechmy headphone amp works in hardy00:11
dotechburrbrown dacs for the win00:11
Jordan_Uclarezoe, Wired or Wireless?00:11
clarezoewired00:12
Jordan_Uclarezoe, Can you do tests in Ubuntu without disconnecting from this channel?00:13
clarezoeI started to solve the wireless problem, now wired doens't work either00:13
clarezoeJordan_U yes00:13
erle64-kernel update coming in... :D00:14
dotechdamn the guided partitioning makes my swap 10GB!00:14
Thib_Atheros something...00:14
x1250lol00:14
clarezoeI'm using another computer, but maybe it's hard to copy and past the testing output00:14
Jordan_Uclarezoe, What happens when you run "sudo ifconfig eth0 && sudo dhclient eth0" ?00:14
Thib_I'm not sure which because it doesn't appear anywhere in dmesg or anywhere I can look at00:14
erle64-dotech, that really much00:15
dotechyea haha00:15
erle64-do you think that you will ever need a single byte of swap space? :D00:15
dotechnope00:15
clarezoeJordan_U, there is already a pid file /var/run/dhclient.pkd with pid 134519072 internet system consortium DHCP client V3.0.600:16
dotechunless i have a very bad memory leak :)00:16
Thib_the kind of wireless card is not listed on the specs page or in the specs section of the owner's manual :-|00:16
Thib_is there anywhere I can find out from? dmesg?00:16
erle64-i have 2 gigs of ram and i never have seen any swapping00:16
clarezoeJordan_U, listening on LPF/eth0/00:08:2d:71:0400:16
dotechi do bring most systems to their knees but 8gb is more than i've ever had the chance to play with00:17
dotechthis may very well be too much machine for me to handle00:17
dotechthat being one of my favorite lines from Hackers the movie00:17
dotechof course, RISC is good being the best :)00:19
erle64-at my university i sometimes work on a solaris/sparc machine with 16 gigs - but there are most of the time 10 to 50 persons working at the same time on that machine00:19
dotechat work i run parallel builds on 32 CPUs, that takes it down to 0% idle00:19
dotechthat will happen here too, but the memory is another story00:19
dotechmy code is always low in complexity so the compiler has it easy00:20
erle64-the 4 cores will spend much time with waiting for the memory ;)00:20
dotechi could test it out with 10 layers of nested switch statements00:20
dotechsee how the optimizer deals iwth that ;)00:20
clarezoeJordan_U, thanks, I solved, I modified the dhclient.conf file that causes the problem00:20
dotecherle64-, i don't have /dev/sda100:21
erle64-dotech, what compiler do you use? (what language)00:21
dotechyet when i do fdisk on /dev/sda it has 3 partitions00:21
dotechanything really, C primarily but i love it all00:22
dotechgcc for C00:22
dotechPPC assembly too but thats only useful for embedded network devices these days00:22
erle64-brb00:23
Thib_well00:23
Thib_it's really not working out00:23
dotechso im curious how i have partitions on sda but they don't have a corresponding device00:23
dotechthats new to me00:23
Thib_I cannot figure out by myself how to extract the list of my recognized hardware00:23
dotechlspci?00:24
Jordan_UThib_, lshw ?00:24
Thib_on 7.10 I used to use hal-device-manager which is also in the Systems menu00:24
boxybrownI tried https://help.ubuntu.com/community/PostfixCompleteVirtualMailSystemHowto on hardy and i get "sending of password did not succeed. Mail server 192.168.1.120 responded: chdir Maildir failed"00:24
Thib_but it doesn't come with 8.0400:24
boxybrownim not sure if its because the guide isnt intended for hardy or what00:24
Thib_lshw ? I'll try that00:25
dotech/sys/block/sda/sda1, i guess things have moved around since i last used linux00:25
dotechrather, since i last upgraded00:26
Thib_is it supposed to take a long time to scan?00:26
Thib_it says PCI (sysfs) and then hangs.00:26
Thib_I mean, I don't suppose it is really hanging, but I mean, it isn't doing anything visible.00:26
Jordan_UWhy does the hardware test say that it is impossible to detect the current resolution with fglrx? "The following resolution was detected for your display: impossible with fglrx Is this a good resolution for your display?00:27
dotechwhat block size does the installer try to make?00:28
Jordan_UThib_, Takes a few seconds for me00:28
Thib_mine is still hanging00:29
Thib_'top' says it's using 100% of one CPU00:29
Thib_(allegedly)00:29
dotechis there a way to see what the installer is actually doing?00:32
dotechsome log i can tail perhaps?00:32
Jordan_UThib_, It does warn that it should be run as root ( though I have never had problems before, and unless Device Manager is set ID it doesn't run as root either )00:33
Thib_I tried running it as me or as root00:33
Thib_any other ways of listing existing hardware?00:34
Thib_I don't think my wireless hardware is being seen at all00:34
Thib_but I don't know how to ... determine that00:34
Thib_I see the wired interface if I pay close attention to dmesg or lshal00:35
Thib_but I don't see any mention of the wireless one anywhere00:35
Jordan_UThib_, lspci00:36
Thib_except in the restricted drivers dialog, which tells me it's enabled an Atheros driver for wireless LAN cards, so, clearly, some part of my system has detected a wireless card and found that it was Atheros...00:36
Thib_(even I couldn't find that from the specs)00:36
Thib_lspci ... let's see00:36
Thib_aha, here it is00:37
Thib_last line00:37
dotechubiquity keeps crashing00:37
dotechwhere can i get the core dump? :)00:37
Thib_Ethernet controller: Atheros Communications, Inc. AR242x 802.11abg Wireless PCI Express Adapter (rev 01)00:37
nosrednaekimThib_: ah.. I have one of those! you need ndiswrapper00:38
dotechError in blink(), sweet :)00:38
Thib_what's ndiswrapper?00:38
dotechhockey time, bbl00:38
nosrednaekim!ndiswrapper00:38
ubotuWireless documentation can be found at https://help.ubuntu.com/community/WifiDocs00:38
Thib_(forgive my continued show of ignorance)00:38
nosrednaekimits ok... it uses windows drivers.00:38
nosrednaekimand interfaces them to the linux kernel00:38
Thib_er00:39
Ibycu1hi all, found a bug in nautilus (or gvfs), how do I find out debugging information for it that i can submit with a bug report?00:39
teamcobraI thought the atheros cards were well supported?00:39
Thib_which one of the many links do I click?00:39
Thib_at https://help.ubuntu.com/community/WifiDocs00:40
Thib_https://help.ubuntu.com/community/WifiDocs/Driver/Ndiswrapper?highlight=%28WifiDocs%2FDriver%29 ?00:40
Thib_is that it, nosrednaekim ?00:41
nosrednaekimteamcobra: not this one00:41
Thib_note that I might not be able to install anything easily if my wireless isn't working.00:41
nosrednaekimteamcobra: I suppose this computer came with Vista?00:41
Thib_[chuckles]00:41
nosrednaekimThib_: sorry... I was meaning you00:41
nosrednaekimThib_: ndiswrapper should be included on the CD00:42
Thib_oh00:42
Thib_hmm00:42
Thib_let me pop the CD in00:42
derspanksterndiswrapper is available in synaptic00:44
Thib_I see it now00:44
nosrednaekimderspankster: what I meant was it was on the Cdrom repository00:45
derspanksteroh, ok00:45
Thib_nosrednaekim: Synaptic isn't cooperating, it keeps asking me to insert the 8.04 beta CD no matter how many times I insert it into the drive00:46
Thib_I'm therefore doing something wrong.00:46
Thib_I added the 8.04 CD in "software sources"00:47
luboszzomg00:47
luboszgdmgreeter is crashing balls00:47
luboszafter yesterdays update00:47
luboszi have to use gdmlogin now oO00:48
lubosznot quite eye candy00:48
Thib_sigh00:48
Thib_well, it's beta software00:48
ethana2aaand firefox just exploded again00:48
Thib_I'd hoped it'd work better out of the box00:48
Thib_I'm just going to burn and install 7.10 for now00:49
Thib_I hope it'll work better00:49
ethana2Thib_: have fun running massive updates00:49
luboszhardy works nicely00:49
ethana2^_^00:49
ethana2generally speaking, yes it does00:49
lubosz7.10 is old school00:49
ethana2beta4 of FF3 is a little... unstable00:49
ethana27.10 is /old/00:49
luboszhm, ff3 runs well for me00:49
ethana2the hardware drivers...  eucch00:49
Thib_the choice isn't very hard between massive updates, and no wireless + 800x600 resolution.00:49
derspanksterlubosz: agreed00:49
ethana2oh00:50
ethana2I see00:50
Thib_but that's assuming 7.10 will work with my new laptop -- maybe it won't either00:50
teamcobrathib: wait00:50
teamcobrainstead of thrashing your install, is there any way you can put the machine in question on a wired connection?00:51
luboszThib_: you tried 8.04 and its not working?00:51
teamcobrajust until you get wireless up (like 2 mins, esp if using ndis-gtk  (available in synaptic, will appear under system/administration/windows wireless drivers)00:51
Thib_it is on a wired connection, and it keeps saying "network is unreachable"00:51
Thib_I'm really having a lot of problems :-(00:52
teamcobratry opening up a console, doing a "sudo ifconfig eth0 up ; sudo dhclient eth0"00:52
teamcobrawithout quotes00:52
Thib_the network I'm on doesn't have DHCP, I have a statically assigned IP address00:52
Thib_so I configured that.00:52
teamcobraoh, ok.... then 1 sec00:52
teamcobramake sure the settings in /etc/network/interfaces match the static ip settings you're using00:54
teamcobraand that /etc/resolv.conf has your dns servers in there00:55
akknetwork unreachable usually means that the gateway is wrong, doesn't it? (or IP addy not configured at all)00:55
Thib_ok00:56
Thib_I have connectivity now00:56
Thib_via the wired00:56
Thib_I'll try installing ndis* with Synaptic or Aptitude or something, over the network instead of over the CD00:56
teamcobrawait00:57
teamcobrajust install ndis-gtk00:57
teamcobraand it'll install the required deps00:58
teamcobrathen, go to system/administration/windows wireless drivers, point it to the proper inf file, hit ok, and reboot.... ndiswrapper joy00:58
teamcobrait might be in universe/multiverse, not 100% positive00:59
teamcobrabut it'll make it a bit easier on you install on a machine that needs ndiswrapper (hopefully, never again ;) )01:00
gaminggeekcan someone here help me get my wacom tablet working in hardy?01:01
Thib_my wireless card is not listed here: http://ndiswrapper.sourceforge.net/joomla/index.php?/component/option,com_openwiki/Itemid,33/id,list_a/01:03
Thib_what now...01:03
blueyedIs the black window bug with nvidia-glx-new back? or is it me using linux-server?01:04
Thib_oh well01:05
Thib_I have to go now01:05
Thib_I spent all afternoon trying to set up this new laptop01:05
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blueyedGnine: ?01:06
Thib_are you saying that because of the "Please make sure you know how to administer an Ubuntu system (including broken dependencies), and how to fix it when it breaks, before installing Hardy" bit?01:06
Thib_I thought I knew how to administer and fix my Ubuntu machines and the Ubuntu machines at my work01:07
Thib_but I guess I'm assuming a slightly higher starting point01:07
Gninei just wanted to check out the topic01:07
Thib_oh :-)01:08
Thib_well, it's okay you didn't mean to criticize me; I meant to criticize me.01:08
Thib_I'm not a wiz but I thought I could do stuff, but in this instance, the out-of-the-box state is too complicated for me01:08
Thib_no wireless, most dialog boxes have their OK and Cancel buttons off screen because the graphics card isn't recognized, I mean... it's unworkable for a little guy like me :-(01:09
Thib_I'm hoping 7.10 will work better01:09
Thib_thanks everyone01:09
gaminggeekhas anyone got a wacom tablet to go in hardy?01:11
gaminggeekmine sorta works01:11
Dr_willisive got one of those tablets. not ttried it in hardy. in gutsy i had to add some entries to the xorg.conf i recall.01:12
gaminggeekif I touch the tablet with the the pen it works but not how it should it should work just by hovering over it01:12
gaminggeekthe lines are not in hardy01:12
Dr_willisRight - the new xorg.conf style is very minimal. You may have to add the lines.01:12
gaminggeekwhat are they?01:12
Dr_willisThe whole minimal xorg.conf  - is causing quite a few issues with 'unusual' systems.01:12
Dr_willisI  got the entry info from the wacom docs installed with the wacom packages.01:13
gaminggeekits very annoying01:13
blueyedDr_willis: could this also be the reason for keycodes sent by acpi_fakekey (acpi-support, ..) to get lost? If they aren't visible in xev..01:13
gaminggeek*sigh* I wish this worked out of the box :/01:14
Dr_willisblueyed,  perhaps. Im not too up on that deeper stuff :)01:14
Dr_willisI though the wacom tablets were enabled out of the box on the older releases.. and everyone hated it.. :)01:14
blueyedDr_willis: me neither.. but there are quite few such bugs around.. but /me is still using the previous xorg.conf, so it's unlikeyl.01:15
Dr_willisat least the entries for somthing was in the default xorg.conf. caused a lot of 'warnings' that confused people.01:15
blueyedDr_willis: yes, that was for the wacoms.01:15
blueyedDr_willis: it made a lot of people think that was a root cause for another issue when looking at the console output for finding a bug.01:16
Dr_willisso he could find an older xorg.conf, and  use the info from it.01:16
gaminggeekwhy dont they have a "wacom" config with a script that you run?01:16
blueyedgaminggeek: they? You don't have it.. ;)01:17
* blueyed has the nvidia black window bug again, on linux-server kernel.01:18
dotechok back for the intermission, have to figure out why the installer can't create ext301:18
blueyedgaminggeek: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Wacom01:18
Dr_willisgaminggeek,  following that logic we would have 100000 scripts for every occasion.. and that gets to be a mess.01:18
blueyed(gg: wacom xorg.conf)01:18
blueyedDr_willis: well, we should support it, without the mess.01:19
Dr_willisive seen some disrtos that do that sort of 'thing'  with scripts.01:19
gaminggeekblueyed: the lines arnt there anymore we have been over this01:19
Dr_willisblueyed,  they did.. and it caused problems.. so its a catch22 problem.01:19
blueyedpm-utils is much nicer than acpi-support for example..01:20
Dr_willisit took me all of 10 min to get it going on my other system. Ijust read the wacom docs in /usr/share/wacom (i think) and cut/pasted, restarted X01:20
blueyedgaminggeek: I've thought you needed the lines for your wacom?01:20
Dr_willisyou CAN put the lines in xorg.conf to manually configure things01:20
gaminggeekblueyed: i added them and it crashed X01:20
Dr_willisi may have to go track down my tablet for this pc...01:20
blueyedgaminggeek: like how?01:20
gaminggeeklike it put it in bullet proof X mode01:21
blueyedgaminggeek: pastebin your /var/log/Xorg.0.log please.01:21
blueyedgaminggeek: from the crash.. so might be .1. instead.01:21
dotech/var/log/installer/debug thats what i was looking for01:21
dotechPermission denied: '/proc/24967/environ'01:22
gaminggeekblueyed: this was weeks aqo01:22
dotechweird, its failing to create Cairo haha01:22
Dr_willisHmm.. i wonder if you have the  wacom-tools package instgalled..01:22
blueyedgaminggeek: try again please.. I just had the bullet proof X because of missing linux-restricted-modules (nvidia driver), so it might be something else, e.g. a typo even.01:22
Dr_willisThis forum thread implies the wacom tablet works with no tweaking.01:23
Dr_willis'My Wacom tablet is working fine in Hardy with the latest packages. I still have to have it plugged in before X starts.'01:23
gaminggeekah installing wacom tools01:23
gaminggeekI thought I had it01:23
Dr_willisI do recall that 'issue' you could not unplug/hotplug the thing.01:23
blueyeddotech: I've never seen /var/log/installer/ before and mine is from 2005-06-09 :D01:24
Dr_willishttps://answers.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+question/2808401:24
dotechhaha nice01:24
akkDr_willis: A long time ago, I found I could fix the needing-to-connect-before-starting-x by making sure the wacom and evdev kernel modules were loaded01:24
akkdunno if that's still true01:24
dotechwell i know why ubiquity is crashing at least, Cairo is broken!01:24
dotech:)01:24
Smegzor2I'm stuck in low graphics mode with little more than a console.  I want to run the gnome menu editor since it has access to everything i need to fix my problem.  What do I type in console to run the gnome menu editor?01:27
Dr_willisthe gnome menu editor can fix your res problem?01:28
Smegzor2YES01:28
Dr_willisHmm.. i thought its name was 'alacarte' or somthing.01:28
Smegzor2but I need to run it01:28
keithclark If I log in to a remote machine in a terminal using ssh -X username@xxx.xxx.xxx.xxx and then start a program such as firefox, is the program actually running on the remote machine?01:28
Smegzor2I'll try that01:28
Dr_willisIm not following this logic.. :) alacarte01:29
Dr_willis alacarte   is the command you are looking for.01:29
Dr_willisi just checked :)01:29
Smegzor2thanks!  now I can run every command I need.01:29
Smegzor2I'm looking at command properties to get the console commands to run stuff01:29
Smegzor2since I don't know the commands off by heart01:30
Dr_willisThe menu items are defined by various .desktop files :) you could look at those also.01:30
Smegzor2i installed restricted drivers and it messed up.  When I unticked that, it REALLY messed up and I have half a desktop and no menu01:31
Smegzor2I know there are other ways to fix it, but I'm trying to help myself for a change :)01:31
blueyedSmegzor2: look at /var/log/Xorg.0.log01:32
blueyed..what the error is.01:32
Dr_willisi wonder what would happen under hardy if you just moved the xorg.conf to xorg.conf.old  and started X with no xorg.conf01:32
blueyedDr_willis: quite strange thread about the wacom (in "answers"). anybody here involved there?01:32
gaminggeekso why did they take the tablet entrys out of xorg.conf?01:32
blueyedDr_willis: maybe no wacom? :p01:32
Smegzor2thanks.  I have mc installed so I can mess around with conf files easily.  Why mc isn't installed by default is a mystery.01:32
Dr_willisgaminggeek,  they took basicially EVERYTHING out of xorg.conf - X is suppost to 'auto configure' when started01:33
gaminggeekok01:34
Dr_willisSmegzor2,  mc is one of the first things i install on a new install. :)01:34
Dr_willisand the full vim package01:34
gaminggeekwhy isnt it auto configuring for me :(01:34
* Dr_willis notices the 'beta' namein the title. :)01:35
gaminggeekyea I know01:35
gaminggeekbut if we can find the problem we can submit a bug report cant we?01:35
Dr_willisdont make me go downstairs and find my tablet, and plug itin.01:35
x1250yeah, but maybe the stable will also not configure it for him >:)01:35
Dr_willisreport a but anyway.. well.. search for other related bugs.. you may find a fix.01:35
Dr_willisIm not sure what subsystem auto-magicially-configures X - so it may be that X needs some work. not a bug, just a feature not there.. but apraently it DOES work for some people01:36
blueyedgaminggeek: Please read my answer at https://answers.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+question/2808401:36
jaffarkelshaccan you take screenshots to file without prompts01:37
blueyedDr_willis: it works for those who upgrade, I suppose.01:37
gaminggeekblueyed: which one is yours?01:37
blueyedgaminggeek: the last one.01:37
gaminggeekok01:37
gaminggeekI have looked in there01:38
blueyedjaffarkelshac: import filename01:38
Dr_willisjaffarkelshac,  there are command line 'screen shot programs' you could use that dont have any dialog box's01:38
gaminggeekits quite a long and confusing man file :)01:38
jaffarkelshacDr_willis, i dont know any of them, which ones are there01:38
Dr_willisjaffarkelshac,  fire up the package manager and search. I havent used any in ages.01:38
jaffarkelshack01:39
jaffarkelshacthanks though01:39
blueyedjaffarkelshac: "import" from imagemagick will do.01:39
geniehostHello all where I can find a keyboard layout for my Microsoft Multimedia Keyboard 1.0A ?01:39
geniehostI am using ubuntu 8.401:39
jaffarkelshacblueyed, is import in repo01:40
blueyedgaminggeek: I've only skimmed the man file. You might just want to try adding the lines (in a new file, if there isn't any /etc/X11/xorg.conf yet)01:40
Dr_willis imagemagick  is a package of a lot of tools01:40
blueyedjaffarkelshac: the package is imagemagick, a set of command line tools for image manipulation01:40
blueyed!imagemagick01:40
ubotuSorry, I don't know anything about imagemagick - try searching on http://ubotu.ubuntu-nl.org/factoids.cgi01:40
gaminggeekblueyed: I would rather find out why its not auto detecting01:41
jaffarkelshaccheers blueyed01:41
gaminggeek!imagemagik01:42
ubotuSorry, I don't know anything about imagemagik - try searching on http://ubotu.ubuntu-nl.org/factoids.cgi01:42
blueyedgaminggeek: that's the next step, to find out or add this functionality. I'd say it's just not ready (from the man file), but there are a lot of changes in "aptitude changelog wacom-tools". I'd also try to find/file a bug about it.01:43
jaffarkelshaci added it in apt but i am not sure where it is,01:46
jaffarkelshaci added it in apt but i am not sure where it is, blueyed01:46
Dr_willisgiven the varity of wacom tablets.... i imagine thatthe older ones are better supported then the newer ones01:46
x1250Hey guys, is there anyway I can force a nautilus script (~/.gnome2/nautilus-scripts) to execute in a terminal?01:47
blueyedjaffarkelshac: open a terminal and enter "import filename.png", then click somewhere, or look at it options. What do you want to do?01:47
jaffarkelshaci used locate and its in usr/bin/....libextract-imagemagick.so blueyed01:47
caesa1 Firefox 3 always starts in offline mode. Is there a way to force it to work in online mode, even if I'm offline?01:47
blueyedx1250: chmod +x $SCRIPT; ./$SCRIPT01:48
blueyedcaesa1: that's strange. It doesn't for me.01:48
x1250blueyed: I'm not trying to give the script execute permissions, but to execute it in a terminal window01:48
x1250I need to interact with it through a terminal01:49
Dr_willisx1250,  cant make the scrit run somthing like 'xterm -e commandname'01:49
caesa1blueyed: well, I'm on dialup. And Network manager doesn't seem to acknowledge when I'm online or offline. I think that's why it starts in offline mode01:49
x1250Dr_willis: I'll see about that01:49
blueyedx1250: yeah, you would just start it from a terminal, but it needs to be executable, or depending on the script do e.g. "bash $SCRIPT" or "python -c $SCRIPT"01:50
x1250blueyed: you don't understand my problem. I can execute the script already, just not in a terminal, and I want to use the nautilus menu to execute it01:51
blueyedcaesa1: so that's a bug in network manager or FF. Nothing in "about:config" I could find.01:51
gaminggeekDr_willis: I have a wacom intos301:51
blueyedx1250: how can you execute it already? from the menu, but not the command line? or the other way around?01:52
caesa1blueyed: well, it's a really old bug. I don't think it's going to be fixed any time soon, and I was fine and dandy in Gutsy Gibbon. Is there a way I can just FORCE it to be on online mode, outside of about:config?01:53
caesa1or however would work01:53
x1250I dont want to use the command line (I dont want to open by hand a terminal). I want to use the nautilus script menu to execute the script, but I need the script to open up in a terminal all it will end inmediatly, and I need it to loop until I want...01:53
x1250all/or/01:53
blueyedcaesa1: so it regressed in Hardy, because before this FF would be in online mode always?01:53
caesa1yeah01:54
blueyedx1250: create a .desktop file for it and add Terminal=True (or use alacarte, if that's possible)01:56
SilverDawnDoes anyone know how to change the workgroup of a ubuntu box, Cuz suddenly the shares on the other computer dissapeared... and nothings changed01:56
SilverDawn=|01:56
blueyedSilverDawn: samba broken maybe?01:56
SilverDawnHrm01:57
SilverDawnsmbclient finds the chares01:57
SilverDawnshares*01:57
x1250blueyed: yeah, but I can't use alacarte since I need to execute the script with $NAUTILUS_SCRIPT_CURRENT_URI, so I need nautilus. I don't know If I can create a .desktop file for a nautilus script.01:58
gaminggeekDr_willis: can you get your tablet it would be really help full :)02:00
Dr_willisYou expect me to get up from my chair and walk downstairs!02:00
x1250or maybe I can put something like Terminal=True or something like that inside the script, I'll check that02:00
Dr_willisegads!02:00
Dr_willis:)02:00
gaminggeeklol02:00
Dr_willisi got a much older graphit tablet. so it may just work.. :)P02:00
gaminggeekmine sorta works out of the box02:01
gaminggeekI can put the pen to the tablet and move the cursor around02:01
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gaminggeekso the driver it working02:01
gaminggeekbut it hasnt detected some options like that it needs to have the stylus mode02:02
Dr_willisok.. i Plugged it in.. :) lets see02:02
Dr_willishmm..it 'seems' to be working fine. :)02:03
Dr_willislet me fire up gimp02:03
gaminggeekwhat is it doing?02:03
thompadoes anyone have atheros 5007 (misidentified)  or 5006 working?02:03
Dr_willisgaminggeek,  its working.. normally on the desktop.. moving the pointer selecting text so forth.. :)02:04
Dr_willisnow for gimp02:04
gaminggeekok thats more than mine..02:04
thompaAtheros Communications Inc. AR242x in  lspci also drivers for atheros but no device to configure02:04
thompai also cannot compile using madwifi because of this02:05
syke_hi02:05
gaminggeekthe anoying thing is it worked fine in gutsy :/02:05
syke_when will there be a fix for the ndiswrapper and ssb race? I'm really tired of this regression at this point, and want to make sure it gets fixed before release :)02:06
Dr_willisits Not working properly with gimp, no pressure, no eraror and so forth,,I may need to restart X02:06
gaminggeekok02:06
thompamy two problems is no wifi atheros 5007 , impossible to fix. and no more usb devices automounting02:06
gaminggeekI need to restart x too I screwed up the config and its in bullet proof mode :/02:07
thompain alpha 6 i could use madwifi svn at least02:07
thompai dont feel like compiling my own kernel for all this02:07
ethana2hey02:08
ethana2broadcom02:08
ethana2...how do broadcom wireless devices work on hardy?02:08
ethana2!broadcom02:08
ubotuHelp with Broadcom bcm43xx can be found at https://wiki.ubuntu.com/WifiDocs/Driver/Broadcom43xx02:08
thompano wireless extensions but lspci  AR242x and drivers for atheros show enabled02:09
SilverDawnhrm my samba doesnt wanna work02:09
teamcobraSilverDawn, make sure the shares are set up under system/administration/samba02:10
Dr_willisHmm.. gimp still isent seeing the cursor.stylus stuff properly,02:10
Dr_willisso its  useable as a tablet, but not 100%02:10
SilverDawnteamcobra, theres no system/admin/samba02:10
SilverDawn=\02:10
teamcobraodd...... 1 min, I'll check to see what app it is02:11
eduardoQestion: I just made the last update for 8.04 and after that I have this problem, just after i log into ubuntu my computer freezes, anyone knows how to fix this?02:11
syke_ethana2: I have never had luck with the bcm43xx drivers over the course of 3 laptops. I always end up using ndiswrapper.02:11
MTecknologyso, what's new with -15?02:11
SilverDawnfor smbclient -L hostname i get the following after the output of the shares on that box02:12
SilverDawnsession request to 192.168.0.101 failed (Called name not present)02:12
SilverDawnsession request to 192 failed (Called name not present)02:12
SilverDawnsession request to *SMBSERVER failed (Called name not present)02:12
SilverDawnNetBIOS over TCP disabled -- no workgroup available02:12
MTecknologylotta kernel updates the last week02:12
eduardoQestion: I just made the last update for 8.04 and after that I have this problem, just after i log into ubuntu my computer freezes, anyone knows how to fix this?02:12
ethana2syke_: how do you find the windows drivers?02:13
syke_there are links that can help02:13
Dr_williscan you ping the hostname SilverDawn ?02:13
syke_but generally you can just go to your laptop manufacturer's website and download02:13
gaminggeekARG now my X is a mess :/02:13
teamcobrasilver: apt-get install system-config-samba02:13
SilverDawnDr_willis, Yep02:13
ethana2syke_: they usually use .exe files02:13
Dr_willisit seems theres been a lot of times when samba/shareing has beenbroken forme under hardy, then it gets fixed.. thenit breaks again02:13
eduardocan anyone help me?02:14
ethana2Dr_willis: yes.  ..wait, it gets fixed?02:14
syke_ethana2: oh! sorry -- yes, you'll need to use wine to run some of the unpackers.02:14
ethana2ohhh02:14
ethana2ok02:14
Dr_willisethana2,  every so often.. even the sshfs was crashing hard onme for a while02:14
ethana2syke_: you've had good success running driver installers in wine?02:14
SilverDawnI just need to get the music off of the vista box...02:14
SilverDawnAny possible way of doing that02:14
SilverDawnI dont care if its samba or not02:14
* eduardo screams for help.02:14
SilverDawni guess proftpd might work02:14
dotechinteresting02:14
dotechmy time shifted ahead by 4 hours when i set my location in the installer02:15
Dr_willisSilverDawn,  install ssh server, install winscp on windows box, copy things over using winscp02:15
Dr_willisMuch simpiler then setting up a ftp server02:15
dotechi guess my bios is supposed to be set to GMT?02:15
eduardoanyone willing to help me?02:15
ethana2eduardo: sorry, hang on, pretty active channel right now02:16
eduardook02:16
ethana2eduardo: somebody will probably get back, read the log...02:16
ethana2eduardo: and try to give you assistance02:16
dotechso my problem with the installer is this: it is trying to write ext3 to /dev/sda1 but i do not have /dev/sda1.02:17
dotechthe first partition on sda is actually /sys/block/sda/sda102:18
Dr_willisive seen some cases where if the partitionign tool does changes.. thekernel does not see the changes.. but it WILL see them if you reboot.02:18
Dr_willisthe old fdisk command had warnings about this.02:19
dotechhmm02:19
dotechwell its worth a shot :)02:19
Dr_willisI often fire up a live cd wight gparted and partition, then reboot the isntall cd.02:19
dotechwell it did partition the drive02:19
dotechthat part worked02:19
dotechbut the device wasn't created in /dev02:19
Dr_willisi would say try a reboot02:20
dotechyea that will fix it02:20
dotechim curious how i could really fix it though02:20
dotechso others wont have this happen :)02:20
Dr_willisits a issue with the hardware/kernel/drives02:20
Dr_willisthers no 100% fix. :)02:20
Dr_williseven in dos/windows i have often had to reboot.02:20
dotechill have to get on git and patch the kernel :)02:20
Dr_willisThe kernel partition tables and what bios says dont match up. its safext to reboot02:21
dotechyea02:21
dotechi know they use ioctl() to reread the partition table02:21
dotechand that appears to be successful, its udev that isn't creating a device for the partition i think02:21
syke_ethana2: yes, and the wine in hardy should be alright for that purpose. dapper's wine is another story -- I had to use unofficial builds of wine there.02:21
dotechprobably because the kernel didn't update something properly02:21
Dr_willisi think its more of a bios issue also. some machines i have i have to always reboot.. most newer ones i dont02:22
dotechmaybe the installer should force a reboot after the partitioning with the guided tool?02:23
dotechthat would prevent this02:23
Dr_willisthen you have to be sure it rebooted right..and so forth..02:23
Dr_willisthe FDISK command will say 'partitions will not be correct untill you reboot'02:23
dotechor at least make the error that pops up suggest rebooting :)02:23
dotechright now it just says it failed with some weird numbers and the device name02:24
dotechdamn and it keeps shifting my time haha02:25
dotechi tell it im at GMT-4 and my time shifts ahead 4 hours02:25
dotechif anything iw ould expect it to go backwards 4 hours02:25
blueyededuardo: any clues in /var/log/Xorg.0.log? When does it freeze?02:25
SilverDawngod samba is so fscked on hardy.... if i try to go in manually it crashes nautilus02:26
eduardoblueeyed, when i try that it says no such file or directory02:27
eduardoblueyed, when i try that it says no such file or directory02:27
blueyededuardo: looking at Xorg.0.log? try "less /var/log/Xorg.0.log" from a terminal, then press G to scroll to the bottom.02:29
blueyededuardo: again, when does it freeze? and how? black screen, no more disk access?02:30
eduardoblueyed i tried cat /var/log/xorg.log/ lgrep EE02:30
blueyededuardo: Xorg.0.log02:30
eduardoblueyed, it freezes just after i log into ubuntu02:30
blueyededuardo: you can do just "grep EE $FILE"02:31
blueyededuardo: so gnome freezes? how far does it get? do you see the taskbar?02:31
eduardoblueyed, it freezes my keyboard and mouse, and i only see a pink screen02:31
blueyedmaybe compiz freezes?02:31
eduardoblueyed, no, no taskbar02:31
blueyededuardo: might be a compiz/graphics driver issue then.02:32
eduardoblueyed, it used to freeze on the login screen, but i reinstalled gdm, and then i could login normally, but just after logging in it freezes02:33
SilverDawnwhy are we running an alpha version of smbclient?02:33
baudelaireHey Guys!  I have a quick question.  I'm pretty new to Ubuntu.  Do you guys have any productivity tips that you think would help me?  I already use Gnome-Do.  You guys have any other ideas? :-) :-P02:34
Fritzelmy desktop has pieces that go visible and invisible on KDE4 new install, is this a driver issue? and is it a known issue?02:36
Meshezabeelhow do I disable compiz?02:39
blueyedFritzel: in the taskbar/plasma? known issue I think (have it to), but it's getting better with every 0.1 release.02:40
blueyedbaudelaire: shell :)02:40
Fritzelblueyed: it's getting worse and worse as time goes on though, my temperatures are fine though is it possible to run KDE4 without plasma? or am I right in guessing that the panel is nothing but a docked widget?02:41
MeshezabeelI have problems with java apps and need to disable compiz02:41
baudelaireblueyed, hehe02:41
blueyedFritzel: you could try restarting plasma (kill and restart)02:42
Fritzelwhat's the proper way to do that? and the app name? plasma I assume?02:42
Fritzelor just kill -9 plasma;plasma02:42
Fritzeler killall rather02:42
blueyedMeshezabeel: in ubuntu (gnome)? "Appearance" in "Preferences" IIRC. => Visual Effects02:43
blueyedFritzel: yes, just worked for me, too.02:43
Fritzelit didn't me half my stuff is still vanishing02:44
blueyedFritzel: you might want to leave the terminal open then, as it spits out debug info and when it's getting hot again, you might get some clue.02:44
blueyedFritzel: all the time?02:44
Fritzelwhen I can read the terminal that is02:44
Fritzelit was miner before but yeah it's doing it almost constantly now02:45
Meshezabeelthanks blueyed!02:45
Fritzelminor >< not miner02:45
Shiiiihello all02:46
Shiiiican someone point to a solution to i965 graphics in hardy ?02:46
T1m0thyIs there a way to record Skype calls in Hardy?02:48
Fritzelok I have no idea what's different now but the system is abck to normal? ><02:48
Dr_willisT1m0thy,  i recall some 'how to record skype' howto on some ubuntu site.02:49
T1m0thyOkay.02:49
T1m0thyAre you talking about the Forums or the Wiki?02:50
T1m0thyThe Wiki is deleted.02:50
Dr_willisthis was some other site - ubuntututorials, or somthing02:52
SilverDawnwhats with the constant recompiles of the ubuntu kernel lol02:53
SilverDawn=\02:53
Dr_willisi have like 8 ubuntu tips sites in my live-bookmarns02:53
dotechok now its time to figure out what bugs im finding :)03:01
Tm_Khi kids03:03
Dr_willis!hi03:03
ubotuHi! Welcome to #ubuntu+1!03:03
Dr_willis:)03:03
SilverdawnAnyone know how to correctly mount a samba share manually03:03
gaminggeekhello :)03:03
Dr_willisSilverdawn,  i cheat and use the fusesmb tools. its much easier for me. :)03:04
SilverdawnI thought it was like... mount smb:host username%password cifs03:04
Silverdawnor somethin03:04
Silverdawnfusesmb?03:04
Dr_willisyes.. fusesmb.. or was it smbfuse03:04
SilverdawnIm willing to do anything -_- i just need to get into those files03:04
Dr_willisYou dident want to try the winscp on the windows box eh?03:04
Silverdawni did03:04
Silverdawn-_-03:05
Dr_willisso..........03:05
Silverdawnit didnt work03:05
Silverdawnlol03:05
Silverdawnand fusesmb just worked in one go :|03:05
Silverdawnwow03:05
Silverdawnlol03:05
Dr_willisfusesmb worked without you confguring it?03:05
Tm_KI got loveletter from HAL:  wifi%d: unable to attach hardware: 'Hardware revision not supported' (HAL status 13)03:05
SilverdawnYeah i just did fusesmb /mnt03:05
Silverdawnand now its all in /mnt03:05
Tm_K<303:06
Dr_willisYou must have some no password needed shares setup?03:06
gaminggeekok so I was screwing around with my x config trying to get my wacom to go and now my screen res is stuck at 1024x76803:06
SilverdawnDr_willis, yeah03:06
Silverdawnlol03:06
Dr_willisThere ya go..03:06
Silverdawn:)03:06
Dr_willisnow see if it actually works03:06
Silverdawnseems too03:07
Dr_willisof course gnome and kde both have samba networkbrowser tools also.03:07
SilverdawnExcept how do you unmount wiht it?03:07
Silverdawnwith it*03:07
Dr_willisfusermount -u sharename03:07
Dr_willisor sudo umount whatever03:07
Silverdawnthey are all unmounted on reboot right?03:09
gaminggeekok got my xconfig back03:09
dotechis there a separate place to log bugs against hardy?03:10
gaminggeekdid you get your tablet working Dr_willis03:10
Dr_willisgaminggeek,  the basics worked.. but not the pressure and so forth.. so i put it back in the closet.03:10
gaminggeekok03:10
gaminggeekdamn03:11
Dr_willisi dont hae the table space for the thing. I rember why it was in the closet03:11
SilverdawnDr_willis, when i reboot the shares will be unmounted correct?03:12
SilverdawnLike... they wont be mounted when i startup like a service03:12
Dr_willisSilverdawn,  of course..  they are not services03:13
Silverdawn:)03:13
SilverdawnDo you by chance use mpd03:14
Dr_willisNope03:14
Dr_willis:)03:14
SilverdawnDamn03:14
Silverdawnerr03:14
Silverdawndarn03:14
Silverdawnlol03:14
SilverdawnIm trying to figure out how to make it play on boot as a service, Since its 100% doable in other distros03:15
Dr_willisrun it from rc.local is one way03:16
Dr_willisi thought it DID run as a service03:16
FlannelDr_willis: you can run it as a daemon, or not03:16
Dr_willisetting up mpd (0.13.1-3ubuntu1) ...03:16
Dr_willis * Starting Music Player Daemon mpd03:16
Dr_willisby default it just launched as a service here.. :)03:17
Dr_willisNot that its doing anything.03:17
cowbuddid the latest updates hose us? some people are saying that on the forum..03:18
Dr_willisIm stillhere.03:18
FlannelI agree.  As of Gutsy it does start as a service by default03:19
FlannelDapper didn't.  No idea when it changed03:19
FlannelYou may have to uncomment something ot get it to actually function as a service though.  Thats what you used to have to do, if I remember properly.03:19
Fritzelwhere's the proper place to add a new user?03:20
dotechdo you know what block size hardy uses when you create an ext3 file system?03:21
dotechduring the install03:21
blueyeddotech: 4kb? maybe depending on the partition size.. "man make2fs"?03:22
dotechi dont think there is a default size03:23
blueyed*"man mke2fs"03:23
dotechhmm i guess its calculated based on the FS size and type03:26
prakritiall of my md raid devises in an array got marked as a (S) spare03:26
prakritithey all seem intact but the raid wont start because they are all (S) :(03:27
prakritidoes anybody know how to fix that?03:27
prakritimd0 : inactive sdg1[0](S) sdh1[6](S) sde1[5](S) sdf1[4](S) sdd1[3](S) sdb1[2](S) sdc1[1](S)03:27
prakriti      341829760 blocks03:27
penwhy firefox segfault when I restart?03:27
penI have to click firefox twice or more to launch it03:27
dotechcan we rename partitions in the installer?03:29
dotechdoesn't seem to let me03:29
penand firefox is slow with compiz.03:32
Dr_willisrename?03:32
penAnyone know how to solvei t?03:32
Dr_willisfilesystems can have labels,you can set,03:32
Dr_willispen,  try removing all the firefox settings,03:33
dotechi meant partition number03:33
Dr_willisit may be a extension or somthing goofingup.03:33
dotechit seems to just add sequentially03:33
Dr_willisYou make a partition, it has a #. thats how they work 1-4 are primaries03:33
Dr_willis5+ are logicials inside extended03:33
Dr_willisNot sure what you are trying to do. :)03:33
dotechyep, i was just wondering if i could create a 2 without a 1 :)03:33
Dr_williswhy would you want to?03:33
Dr_willisthat can really goof up parted/gparted/other tools later03:34
dotechhaha yea03:34
dotechim getting a strange error when i partition it though03:34
dotechi must have / at least 2086396416 bytes03:34
dotechyet my / partition is 250gb03:34
penDr_willis: still segfault if I click restart firefox.03:34
Dr_willisit pays to keep partition layouts simple. :)03:34
penDr_willis: although firefox is much smoother now03:34
penDr_03:35
dotech/dev/sda1 ext3 / 248008MB03:35
dotechyet the popup says "some of the partitions you created are too small. Please make the following partitions at least this large in bytes: / 208639641603:35
dotechclearly my / is not too small03:36
Dr_willisi often just leave a lot of hd space unallocated and let the installer auto-partition it.03:36
penDr_willis: can you restart and firefox open automatically?03:37
dotechill reboot and see if it detects the partition properly afterwards03:37
Fritzelplasma says "plasma(10129) Plasma::Dialog::position: QPoint(984,694)" whenever I mouse over the "Recently plugged devices" applet, is this anything I need to worry about? only reason I'm asking is sometimes parts of my interface go invislbe03:37
Dr_willispen,  restart firefox? - ive seenit do that with my extensions. but havent tried it lately.03:37
Dr_williskde4 and plasma are still very much a work in progress. :(03:38
dotechwell i can't install heh03:38
dotechthe guided partition doesn't work03:38
Fritzel-nod- I realize that, alright fair enough03:38
dotechthe manual doesn't work :\03:38
penDr_willis: now not even restart, whenever I enable or disable some themes or addons my firefox always resist to open and I have to click many times to wake it up :(03:39
Dr_willisdotech,  i tend to just setup 3 primary partitions when i manually partition, one for / one for /home and one for swap.03:39
Dr_willispen,  sounds like buggy themes.03:39
dotechyea i tried03:39
penDr_03:39
dotechit doesn't detect my / partition for some reason03:39
penDr_willis: I use the default theme03:39
penDr_willis: do you mean the default theme is buggy?03:39
Dr_willisYou just stated that it was with some themes or addone.03:40
Dr_willis try a new user. see if it affects them also.03:40
dotechwhen i tail syslog it says it can't find /dev/sda1, and i know /dev/sda1 is not there03:40
dotechit is, however, in /sys/block/sda/sda103:41
penDr_willis: I have already disable all the addon and restore my theme back to default03:41
dotechso something strange is going on with the devices03:41
dotechim not making this up :)03:42
dotechi know i can manually go call mke2fs on that device but that's cheating03:43
dotechim running the beta so i can help flush out bugs03:43
penDr_willis: I don't understand that if I let firefox unminimized all the other apps will perform slowly but if I minimize firefox or close it others will behave normally03:44
penDr_willis: firefox is really buggy03:44
Dr_willisit may be.. i dont seeany of those problems here.03:44
Dr_willisit may be some other extension/theme sucked down a lot of memory and dident release it also.03:44
dotechDr_willis: after rebooting again it worked :)03:45
* Dr_willis is watching tunapie crash like a crashprone thing.03:45
Dr_willisdotech,  i would watch dmesg output - could be that hd is having some 'issues'03:45
dotechdmesg is clean03:45
dotechi checked earlier when i was having other issues03:46
dotechi guess as long as a few reboots fixes it thats ok, must be a kernel issue03:46
cybercystwhat do you do if you have a package that needs libglib in hardy?  libglibldbl is the only package... and this doesn't satisfy libglib still03:46
CVD-PRwhen the first 8.04 beta came out?03:47
crimsuncybercyst: err... libglib2.0-0 or libglib1.2ldbl?03:49
cybercystlibglib1.203:50
Nis2kQuestion: My system is freezing for no apparent reason, anyone knows whats going wrong?03:50
jbroomeNis2k: with the aweseome amount of info you provided, sure i can narrow it right now03:51
jbroome*down03:51
crimsuncybercyst: that no longer exists, which is why I mentioned the latter.03:51
Nis2kjbroome, i cant gather any more info, its just freezing for no apparent reason, I dont know whats going wrong03:52
cybercystbut i have a .deb that wants libglib1.203:53
crimsunNis2k: start with when it freezes.03:53
cybercystits for my printer... lousy canon pixma03:53
crimsuncybercyst: which?  (and installing random debs is a Bad Idea)03:53
Nis2kjbroome, it used to freeze just after I log into ubuntu, so i did dhclient && aptitude update && aptitude upgrade && reboot, and then i could log in normally, but now its just freezing randomly..03:53
Nis2kcrimsun, what do you mean with "start when it freezes" ?03:54
crimsunNis2k: I mean describe when it freezes.03:55
Nis2kcrimnsun, It just freezes, I cant move my mouse and my keyboard doesnt respond03:55
jbroomei would think that having it reboot right after an aptitude upgrade might not be a good idea.  If something fails, you don't get a chance to see it03:55
crimsunNis2k: run the memtest from the grub menu03:56
protonchrisNis2k: Check your logs /var/log/syslog03:56
protonchrisNis2k: from a liveCD03:56
Nis2kim in terminal atm, im using irssi03:57
Gnineirssi!03:57
Nis2kwhat about irssi?03:57
dotechits the best03:57
nomasteryoda!irssi03:57
ubotuIrssi is a terminal based IRC client. See https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Irssi for help.03:57
nomasteryoda=D03:57
Gnineawezum03:57
dotechso here's the weird thing03:58
dotechCurrent time: 10:58:27PM03:58
dotechSelected region: United States03:58
dotechI pick new york GMT-4:00 and my time jumps ahead 4 hours.03:58
Nis2kwhen i try to use /var/log/syslog, it says permission denied03:59
Nis2kand im root03:59
Dr_willisits fun when you set your time ahead.. and it kicks in the powersaving/autoshutdown/hibernate stuff.....03:59
Dr_willis:P03:59
dotechhaha03:59
dotechyea or during install it makes all my files in the future03:59
Dr_willisuse it? how are you usingit?03:59
dotechthat tends to screw things up03:59
Dr_williscat /var/log/syslog03:59
protonchrisNis2k: it is a text file.  read it with something like nano.03:59
Nis2kok04:00
Nis2khow can i scroll from terminal?04:00
mesilliachold down shift04:01
mesilliacsorry I think that was bad advice :) didn't read04:01
Dr_willisshift pageup/down04:01
Dr_willisor was it ctrl-pageup/down ?04:01
Dr_willisif you mean the CONSOLE, or xterm. or konsole.. :) they may differ04:02
Dr_willisOR BEST - learn to use the more or less command. :)04:02
Dr_willisless /var/log/syslog04:02
dotechmagically the 2 partitions show up in /dev/sda1,2 now04:31
dotechsomething is flaky with that04:31
woodwizzleIs there a good comparison of the latest beagle and tracker indexing engines?04:35
woodwizzleI'm willing to give tracker a fair shot, but it doesn't appear to index tomboy notes which is important to me.04:35
woodwizzleand any online reviews of the two engines seem dated.04:36
penhow to make flash work in opera?04:36
dapiz987hello, is anybody experiencing reduced audio quality using the 8.04 beta? if so, is there any known fix?04:38
Lunks"Error: glXCreateContext failed"04:39
LunksNVIDIA driver is loaded, what's happening? O.o04:39
dapiz987anybody?04:41
LunksUsing a custom kernel, too.04:41
shirish!linux-image-2.6.24-15-generic04:43
LunksOk, I guess it's the mesa update.04:43
penhow to make flash work in opera?04:43
shirishguys, anybody knows where the linux-image-2.6.24-15-generic package is in launchpad?04:44
cwillu!info linux-image-2.6.24-15-generic04:46
ubotulinux-image-2.6.24-15-generic (source: linux): Linux kernel image for version 2.6.24 on x86/x86_64. In component main, is optional. Version 2.6.24-15.26 (hardy), package size 17938 kB, installed size 60368 kB04:46
Picihey, info is working again. neat.04:46
shirishcwillu: I'm trying to get the launchpad page for the same, not getting it :(04:46
White_MagicAnyone Good with Miro Internet Tv?04:47
Dr_willisWhite_Magic,  whats to be good about with it? it works here.04:47
White_MagicI know it works04:47
White_Magici want to add a site to it but i dunno how it works04:47
White_MagicLike Either a site to Search for videos04:47
White_Magicor add as a channel04:48
SilverDawnAnyone know a good Gnome tool to burn a audio cd04:48
White_MagicBut i dont think the site hosts the videos directly on it04:48
Gninelastest update did not offer -15-generic for me.. where is that coming from04:48
Dr_willisWhite_Magic,  thats possible. theres the add channel -> enter url thing..  but ive never trie adding anything else04:48
White_MagicWell its ietv.co.uk...04:48
White_Magicthat didnt work04:48
White_Magici tried to RSS Feeds too04:49
SilverDawnAnyone?04:49
White_MagicBracero04:49
Dr_willisHmm theres a Linux Journel channel now. :)04:49
shirishGnine: from the archives, I got the page https://launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/linux-meta/2.6.24.15.1704:49
almostdvsmy system wants to update wants to update but it gets problems and can't.  i suspect the update would fix the problem but you obviously...04:49
almostdvsthat looks horrible should i try again?04:49
Gnine10-4 shirish04:50
White_Magicthe kernal Upgrade uses the Dist-Upgrade?04:50
White_Magiccorrect04:50
White_Magic?04:50
cwillucart before the horse04:50
cwilludist-upgrade updates the kernel, as does just normal upgrade04:50
shirishWhite_Magic: I didn't have to do anything like that, I just did the normal sudo aptitude full-upgrade04:50
White_Magic"Full"04:51
cwillufull-upgrade == dist-upgrade (latter is deprecated)04:51
White_MagicI already have Hardy04:51
White_Magicdist-upgrade is deprecated?04:51
macogwcrimsun: you up?04:51
akkit always tells me to do safe-upgrade when I do a dist-upgrade ... but I really should be doing full- ?04:51
White_MagicSo no ones knows how to add04:51
White_MagicIETV.CO.UK04:51
White_Magicto Miro04:51
cwilludist-upgrade is being renamed to full-upgrade, so stop using the older form :p04:52
cwillu?04:52
White_Magicwell whas the point of "Dist-Upgrade" Or "Full-Upgrade" if you already use the Latest Dist04:52
* akk wonders if they've changed the message to recommend full-upgrade instead of safe-ugprade04:52
cwilluWhite_Magic, that's why they're changing the name, because it doesn't mean what people think it means04:52
x1250full-upgrade can uninstall/install new packages, safe-upgrade cannot do that04:53
shirishcwillu: that just tells you that's that command is being deprecated04:53
cwilluakk, which program are you running?04:53
Jordan_UIs FF3b5 not packaged yet or is my mirror just behind?04:53
almostdvsmy system wants to upgrade but can't due to a problem with synaptic.  i suspect the update fixes this problem but obviously can't.  does anyone have any clues?04:53
White_MagicWell when i start update-manager04:53
White_Magicit does regular upgrades04:53
White_Magicthen a few seconds later says more updates needed04:53
shirishakk: nope,  afaik some things like a kernel upgrade need full-upgrade04:53
akkcwillu: That's with aptitude, but I'm trying to switch back to apt-get now so I don't get all the recommended packages04:53
SilverDawn!mp304:53
ubotuFor multimedia issues, this page has useful information: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/RestrictedFormats - See also http://help.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/desktopguide/C/common-tasks-chap.html - But please use free formats if you can: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/FreeFormats04:53
White_Magicand it ends up bringing up the Dist-Upgrade thing04:53
Jordan_Ualmostdvs, Can you be more clear, what "problems", do you get any error messages?04:54
shirishmost of the time safe-upgrade works, but when you are upgrading the kernel or chipset drivers or something critical like that than need full-upgrade04:54
akkthanks, shirish ... I'm not worried about kernel upgrades because 2.4.24 has a bug that keeps me from using it anyway04:55
x1250that's not entirely true. If your upgrade needs to uninstall or install new packages, then safe-upgrade will hold them, but full-upgrade will go all the way04:55
cwilluakk, -R will tell aptitude to not do the recommended as dependency thing04:55
shirishakk: what bug?04:55
cwillushirish, safe-upgrade will update a kernel, there's nothing special about that afaik04:55
White_Magicdoes that kill out "Recommended"Drivers and stuff04:55
akkcwillu: I tried to find a way to set that in /etc/apt so I didn't have to type something every time, but eventually gave up (succeeded for apt-get but not for aptitude)04:56
White_Magicthat you have but need to be upgrade04:56
shirishcwillu: not at my end.04:56
akkshirish: the visor driver is broken, http://bugzilla.kernel.org/show_bug.cgi?id=1011804:56
ubotubugzilla.kernel.org bug 10118 in USB "visor: probe of 1-2.3:1.0 failed with error -5" [Normal,New]04:57
x1250$ man aptitude. The difference between safe or full-upgrade are restrictions. Safe-upgrade cannot un/install packages, only upgrade04:57
gluerhow do i install all the multimedia codecs at once?04:57
cwillugluer, ubuntu-restricted-extras will do a little more than you want (i.e., including java, flash, etc)04:57
Dr_willisgluer,  install the w32codec package and what cwillu  said also..04:57
x1250so if devs add a new dependency to a package X, then safe-upgrade will hold package X04:57
gluercheers!!!04:57
almostdvsJordan_U: http://www.flickr.com/photos/10668177@N05/2389145468/sizes/o/04:58
White_Magici dont get what "Restricted" means in ubuntu04:58
White_Magicif there restriced doesnt that mean you cant have them?04:58
White_Magicor they dont work04:58
White_Magicsomething to that extent...04:58
cwilluit means you can't redistribute them, or things along those lines04:58
White_MagicOH04:59
x1250restricted = restricted license04:59
Jordan_Ualmostdvs, Have you been running GUI applications with sudo?04:59
SilverDawnDr_willis, do you know what pkg you need for brasero to burn mp3's04:59
SilverDawnIt didnt offer so im at a bit of a loss since i dont know gstreamer well at all04:59
Dr_willisNope.04:59
Dr_willisI dont even have tgnome installed on this box.05:00
SilverDawnk05:00
almostdvsjordan_U i'm pretty sure i haven't05:00
Dr_willischeck the ubuntu faq/wiki/forums I guess05:00
SilverDawnwell theres the huge meta sudo apt-get install ubuntu-restricted-extras05:00
Jordan_Ualmostdvs, What is the output of "ls -l ~/.Xauthority" ?05:00
SilverDawnbut like... i dont need most of that05:00
glueri do :-)05:01
almostdvsJordan_U -rw------- 1 root root 0 2008-04-03 14:46 /home/cody/.Xauthority05:01
RandomOn LaunchPad, theres different statuses on bugs... when should these statuses be changed? Like for example, if someone filed a bug, and I had the same issue, does that mean I should set the status to "confirmed"?05:01
cwillualmostdvs, stop running non terminal programs with sudo (you _need_ to use gksudo, unless you know how to and enjoy fixing .Xauthority junk) :p05:02
Dr_willisYa know.. its annoying how dolphin is getting launched as the default file manager. when ive set KONQUEROR up as the default file manager in several spots...05:03
Jordan_Ualmostdvs, That should be owned by you, the ownership of this file is often modified to root when GUI apps are run with sudo rather than gksudo, to fix it run "sudo chown cody:cody ~/.Xauthority"05:03
cwilludoing things directly as root will break it as well (if you set a password or used sudo options to bring up the shell)05:03
nomasteryodaDr_willis, i agree05:03
almostdvscwillu i can't think of any non terminal programs i have even started with terminal05:03
J-_I just enabled backports. Now I have a whole bunch of packages ready to be installed. Including libc6, should I install?05:03
nomasteryodai hate the new kde4 konqueror too... the options i use every day... like rt-click, move or copy are gone05:04
cwilluJ-_, you don't want to just enable backports05:04
cwilluJ-_, there's a way you can add it such that it won't use it by default05:04
Jordan_Ualmostdvs, Have you used any third party scripts ( most of which are unfortunately poorly made )?05:04
cwilluor you can just download particular deb's that you want05:04
cwillubut just adding the backports repo and hitting upgrade is a good way to break weird and wonderful things :)05:05
J-_cwillu: Okay, I'll cancel the installation then. Figured VMware would be in there.05:05
almostdvsi have a broken gdm and use this workaround,  https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/ubuntustudio-look/+bug/21124105:05
ubotuLaunchpad bug 211241 in ubuntustudio-look "gdmgreeter crashed with SIGSEGV in g_build_filename()" [Medium,New]05:05
White_MagicSo do i need to do "Full-Upgrade" ?05:06
cwilluJ-_, I don't know the exact url, but it should be something like adding a low priority to the backport repo in /etc/apt/preferences or something like that)05:06
almostdvsbut i've changed from ubuntustudio look to human05:06
J-_cwillu: Cool, thanks dude. I'll check it out.05:06
dotechafter the partitioning failures with the installer i managed to get hardy installed, and it works perfectly so far!05:07
almostdvsthanks, Jordan_U  the chown enabled the update to initiate05:08
DanaGHeh, is blue itself just gloomy?05:09
DanaGEvery blue theme I make seems gloomy, or at best, not-cheerful.05:09
SilverDawnumm05:10
SilverDawnsince brasero transcodes and then burns05:10
cwillumaybe something in baby blue DanaG ?05:10
SilverDawnDoes the transcoding actually effect the real files?05:10
SilverDawn:|05:10
DanaGThe Fedora 8 blue is nice and bright, but it's distinctly non-Ubuntu.05:10
DanaGI guess it's orange for me.05:11
DanaG... except in Windows.  I haven't found any nice orange Windowblinds themes.05:11
Gnineubuntu brown is more ubuntuish than blue05:11
dotechmy favorite color is orange, i had to pick this distro05:11
J-_Man, I really wish there was an option in the updater/ synaptic to show when updated packages were updated.05:11
Dr_willisSilverDawn,  it shouldent touch your original files05:11
SilverDawnDr_willis, alrighty05:11
J-_Or, the time when they were added to the repos05:12
Dr_willisIt does seem my testing machine.. is a bit flakier now then it was a few days ago.. heh05:12
Gnineupdate-manager does tell how long ago was (...) last updated05:12
J-_Gnine: Weird, can't see anything like that. Maybe I'm blind =)05:13
Gnineright in thy interface..05:14
DanaGWow, I just installed -14 kernel yesterday.05:15
DanaGNow there's a -15-generic.05:15
tanner_thats one of the annoying things about ubuntu05:15
tyronHi i installed virtualbox and virtualbox modules, rebooted and now im in low graphics mode and network devices not being detected? i have also uninstalled the changes to fix but did not work05:15
tanner_tyron: sounds like a kernel problem05:16
DanaG... and still no CGROUP option set.05:16
dotechhrm ffx 3 froze05:16
cwillucgroup?05:16
tyrontanner: does ubuntu have anything like system restore?05:17
tanner_tyron: did you recently update ubuntu which required a restart?05:17
DanaGhttps://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/linux/+bug/18822605:17
ubotuLaunchpad bug 188226 in linux "Kernel should use CONFIG_FAIR_CGROUP_SCHED" [High,Triaged]05:17
Gnineno matter.. you dont hAVe to be up with 'latest' kernel.. just give it time..05:17
tyrontanner: no, i did do an update but did not need a restart, after installing the virtualbox modules it needed a estart though05:17
cwilluDanaG, ah, yes, that piece of travesty05:18
tanner_the virtual box modules should not need a restart, and i am not aware of a system restore like option05:18
tyrontanner: what is my best opton to try fix it? the laptop cant access network anymore but i do have discs05:19
cwilluDanaG, try the server kernel?05:20
tanner_hmm05:20
DanaGWhat else is different between server and generic?05:21
tanner_tyron: i have a feeling the solution will not be simple05:21
Thib_hi folks05:21
Thib_I'm back05:21
tanner_DanaG: server likely doesnt include things not necessary on a server machine05:21
Thib_well, I did find something very interesting05:21
Thib_this: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/linux/+bug/20118005:21
ubotuLaunchpad bug 201180 in linux "[hardy] kernel 2.6.24-12 breaks wireless (atheros)" [Medium,Triaged]05:21
DanaGHeh, would you call this ugly?  I might.    http://www.notebookreview.com/default.asp?newsID=433905:22
tyrontanner_: that sucks, i have just got everything working perfectly and made the full move to linux and i may have to start again05:22
Thib_ostensibly, that would be why my new laptop with an Atheros wireless interface doesn't seem to work.05:23
cwillupreemption is turned off, and a lower timer rate (100hz instead of 250hz)05:23
Thib_since 8.04 Beta currently sports 2.6.24-1205:23
tanner_tyron: we may be able to help with more detailed information as to whats going on. are you able to be on that machine and talk here at the same time?05:23
dotechoh man, sirius doesn't work in ffx3 :\05:23
Thib_so one of my problems can apparently be fixed by installing 2.6.24-1105:23
Thib_dotech: oh no, I like my Sirius :-|05:24
Thib_how does one go about making a given version of the kernel available at boot time?05:24
tyrontanner_: Yes i have stolen the girlfriends laptop05:24
dotechi have a headphone amp hooked up via usb and i set it as the default playback device, did the sound output test and hear it clearly05:24
dotechyet no sound from sirius :\05:24
tanner_tyron: alright, what video card do you have05:24
Thib_(I've only ever updated it via your-average-user updates, upwards)05:24
tyrontanner_: Nvidia geforce 7300 GO05:25
dotechi know their media player is horrible and doesn't conform to any standards, so im wondering how i can get around this now05:25
ptr771i am getting an error 15 from Grub after some auto updates and a restart -- can anyone help?05:25
akkDanaG: I think that's for artists who have no taste in colors05:25
tanner_tyron: how did you install the drivers?05:25
tyrontanner_: I didnt they just worked "out of the box"05:26
Thib_if anybody knows what magic apt-get command I could run...05:26
ptr771Seems to be the two later kernels 2.6.24-14 and 2.6.24-15 , 2.6.24-12 still seems to work05:26
tanner_alright, have you tried resetting the resolution? system -> preferences -> screen resolution05:26
tyrontanner_: Yes, and it doesnt give me any options. i also tried selecting the card and drive - logged back out and in but still same05:27
dotechThib_: strange, it have audio when i click "Test" but when i go to the Sounds tab and try testing the sounds i don't hear anything05:28
tanner_tyron: sounds like your kernel upgrade has broken quite a few things05:29
DanaGSome of these are a bit nicer:  http://www.mtv-tama.com/05:29
tyrontanner_: can i "downgrade using the disc?05:29
DanaGOh wait: on the audio thing:05:29
DanaGPerhaps PulseAudio is using the wrong device.05:29
dotechi have USB Audio selected for mine since it is a usb audio device05:30
dotechand i hear the sounds when i click Test05:30
tanner_tyron: dont believe so, however you already have the older packages on your system most likely05:30
dotechyet when i test the system action sounds i hear nothing, also nothing from anything else05:30
tanner_tyron: you *can* try (although we dont actually support it) using Envy to restore your video05:30
tyrontanner_: I dont no what that is? i think i install some sort of virtual kernel uname -r shows 2.6.24-14-virtual05:32
Thib_I need to install an older kernel than 8.04 beta ships with, how can I do that?05:32
tanner_hmm05:32
tyrontanner_: ifthe origional kernel is there could i rebuild it?05:33
akkMaybe try copying a kernel .deb from gutsy and installing it with dpkg -i ? (I don't know what deps kernel packages have, but it might work)05:33
tanner_tyron: does your grub boot menu not show the other kernel versions?05:34
akk(my suggestion was for Thib_)05:34
tyrontanner_: my grub does not show, ill reboot and make it show05:34
tyrontanner_: Yes. i booted in to the "generic one this time same issue though05:38
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Jordan_UIs FF3b5 not packaged yet or is my mirror just behind?05:45
Thib_akk: something along those lines ... can you be more specific? I'm not very good05:46
DG19075I'm running FF 3b5 here05:46
tyrontanner_: You got it, i managed to boot in to the the kernel that was there before i ruined everything. there is about 30 kernels listed how do i get rid of all the ones i dont want?05:46
Thib_akk: I've been browsing things like http://packages.ubuntu.com/hardy/allpackages trying to find the magic package and hoping I can download it, bring it to the machine in question (which can't get online, right) and run some dpkg command.05:47
Jordan_UDG19075, What mirror are you using?05:47
Flanneltyron: remove their packages05:47
DG19075getting straighht from mozilla05:47
Dr_willisor set grub to only show the latest 3 kernels or so. :)05:47
DG19075but having a hell of a time trying to get 3b5 to run Java05:48
Dr_willisI was also having some firefox java issues eralier today05:48
akkThib_: If you have a gutsy (or older) install sitting around, you probably have a kernel package sitting there, e.g. /var/cache/apt/archives/linux-image-2.6.22-14-generic_2.6.22-14.52_i386.deb05:48
LibertyShadowFF 3b4 crashes hotmail for me... its okay though, because gmail is better :D05:48
akkThib_: I got that with: locate locate linux | fgrep .deb05:49
Thib_right, good iead05:49
akkThib_: so if you do that on an older debian system, it'll show you kernel packages you have sitting around05:49
tyronFlannel: so if i just remove all kenels except for what uname -r shows now i should be ok?05:49
Thib_the one I'm speaking from now, yes05:49
DanaGLeave at least one old one, though.05:49
Thib_the machine I'm trying to ... teleport a little back in time can't get online05:49
akkThib_: then take one of those, stick it on the new system and try dpkg -i whatever.deb and see if it works :)05:49
Thib_akk: okay, yes, I hope it does05:50
Thib_er, wait05:50
DG19075just trying to figure out how to do the symlinks so a Java install for 3b5 takes05:50
Thib_so the machine I'm on now (Gutsy) is i38605:50
akkThib_: Can it read a usb stick or floppy or something? (actually these are probably way too big for a floppy)05:50
Flanneltyron: I'd keep at least one old one (keep one known good one, and then the latest), but yes.05:50
Thib_the machine I'm trying to fix is amd64 with multiple cores/cpus05:50
Thib_yes, it can read a USB stick, I was going to bring it that way05:50
akkThib_: It will probably still work (the other way wouldn't work, but amd64 can probably use a regular x86 kernel)05:51
Thib_those aren't the same kernels, right?05:51
DanaGHeh, try moving the mouse and then simultaneously clicking the button.....05:51
DanaGit'll be late.05:51
Thib_well, but I wouldn't want to go to a single-core kernel or to 32 bits ... unless I become too desperate05:51
akkThib_: I'm not sure, honestly, if 64-bit libs and a 32-bit kernel will work together, but it should be easy to try05:51
Thib_okay05:51
tyronFlannel: what is the latest i have booted in to 2.26.24-1205:51
akkThib_: (I'm on an amd64 right now, but I installed a regular x86 ubuntu because I want to be able to run java and flash and google earth)05:52
Flanneltyron: Latest is whatever the current one is.  Just always wise to keep more than one, incase you discove some problem with the most recent, you can use the older one that you haven't found a problem with yet.05:52
nomasteryodareplace 14 with 15 for me05:52
nomasteryodabut not restartedyet...05:52
Thib_akk: well, funny you should say this...05:52
Thib_akk: so... I just got this amd64 laptop05:53
DG19075Has anyone gotten Java to work in Firefox 3b5 yet?05:53
Thib_akk: (it's my first non-32-bit, non-single-core machine)05:53
Thib_akk: Java doesn't work on it?05:53
Thib_or Flash?05:53
Jordan_UDG19075, What mirror are you using?05:53
akkThib_: they may be better now ... it was 6 months ago or so when I tried it (or maybe longer) and none of them were available for 64-bit then05:53
DG19075usually use  the US mirror05:54
Thib_akk: oh... :-\05:54
Thib_hmm05:54
akkThib_: and ubuntu has some compat libs but they only work if you're willing to set up a chroot (sounded like way too much work to me)05:54
Thib_er, for me too :-)05:54
mesilliacakk: are you sure you need to set up a chroot? I thought it was all automatic now05:54
Thib_[grunt]05:54
Thib_okay05:55
dotecheven though i changed my sound to USB Audio, if i run alsamixer it defaults to the Realtek onboard chip05:55
akkmesilliac: as I said, this was 6 months ago or so ... maybe it's better now05:55
Thib_let me ask something else05:55
dotechi wonder if that is why i don't hear any sound05:55
Thib_so the reason I need to "downgrade" my kernel is because of this: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/linux/+bug/20118005:55
ubotuLaunchpad bug 201180 in linux "[hardy] kernel 2.6.24-12 breaks wireless (atheros)" [Medium,Triaged]05:55
Thib_but I see that there are 2.6.24-15 and 2.6.24-16 packages for Hardy now05:55
Thib_would those have fixed this bug?05:56
Thib_(I presume not unless the bug report says it's fixed)05:56
Thib_(which it doesn't) :-(05:56
mesilliacif the bug report doesn't say it's been fixed, it probably hasn't :)05:56
akkThib_: The bug is status triaged, not fixed, so right, what mesilliac says05:56
DG19075If there's another mirror that has workable Java for ths, it'd be helpful....05:57
Thib_right :-(05:57
akkThib_: You can probably get the amd64 packages for linux-image-$version from here: http://packages.ubuntu.com/gutsy-updates/base/05:57
ethana2another day, another convert05:58
ethana2*sigh*05:58
ethana2i hope this goes well....05:58
Thib_akk: right, thanks, I'm digging through it now05:59
Thib_akk: parenthetically, here: https://sdlc5a.sun.com/ECom/EComActionServlet;jsessionid=93BD0E84C8D97A72D999450EF331934A05:59
akkThib_: Hmm, actually I'm not seeing an amd64 version either there or in http://packages.ubuntu.com/gutsy/base/05:59
Thib_(bad URL, no cookie)05:59
Thib_akk: it says there's a "Linux x64" version05:59
akkoh, cool06:00
Thib_(but it says "use 32-bit version for applets and WebStart)06:00
akkthough I worry less about java than flash and google earth06:00
Thib_fair statement :-)06:00
akkoh, applets are the only java I do lately06:00
Thib_I worry about Java because all my work is in Java and Eclipse, so, without Java or with a crippled Java, it's going to be hard to go to my boss and justify the brick I just bought.06:01
Jordan_UThib_, If nothing else you can setup a 32 bit chroot06:01
akkThib_: This says it's for x86_64 ... is that amd64? http://packages.ubuntu.com/gutsy/base/linux-backports-modules-2.6.22-14-rt06:02
Thib_Jordan_U: that's what akk said -- is it difficult? (sounds difficult)06:02
Thib_well, I don't want the -rt patch06:02
Jordan_U!chroot | Thib_06:02
ubotuThib_: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/DebootstrapChroot use this to build 32 bit environments on a 64 bit box06:02
Thib_but I was wondering the same thing about http://packages.ubuntu.com/gutsy/linux-image-2.6.22-14-generic06:02
Jordan_UThib_, It's fairly difficult, any reason that you need to be running 64 bit Ubuntu?06:03
xtknightw00t.  on hardy now.  after fedora and suse failed to even boot.  hardy on the other hand worked (w/ safe gfx mode) and nvidia/window effects/multi monitor support out of the box.  i'm thrilled :D06:03
nomasteryodaxtknight, cool06:04
Thib_Jordan_U: well, uh, not intentionally... it's just that my new laptop has a Turion X206:04
nomasteryodahardy is quite impressive06:04
xtknightyes i think it's a big step up from previous versions06:04
xtknightdrive mounting looks to be more systematic now..06:04
Thib_akk: I found the answer06:04
nomasteryodaya06:04
xtknighti mount something it actually appears in My Computer.  there is a link between fstab and hal now06:04
nomasteryodalots of polish06:04
Jordan_UThib_, 32 bit operating systems can be run on 64 bit hardware06:05
dotechwow, i just listened to /bin/bash06:05
nomasteryodawill be a big party on the 24th06:05
Thib_akk: yes, x86_64 means "amd64", because I see in the description of the package on my amd64 machine has the same description06:05
dotechthat was not pleasant.06:05
nomasteryodahehe06:05
akkThib_: ah, good06:05
Dr_willisxtknight,  that can be annoying at times also. :)06:05
xtknightDr_willis: ooh yeah?06:05
xtknightamd64 cpus can run all 32bit code altho some 64-bit native cpus can not necessarily run 32bit code.  im not sure about the itanium06:05
Jordan_Udotech, "cat /bin/bash > /dev/dsp" ?06:05
dotechcat /bin/bash > /dev/dsp1 == i hear binary06:05
dotechhaha yea06:05
Thib_Jordan_U: well, yes, of course... you can also set up your 500GB hard drive to use only the first 250GB and leave the other 250GB alone...06:05
Dr_willisxtknight,  every *&&@ fusesmb, or fuseWhatever mount i was doing kept poping up filemanager windows for me the other day06:05
dotechi think thats why i don't have sound :)06:06
dotechmy device is dsp1, not dsp06:06
xtknightDr_willis: ah well yeah it autoopens a window.06:06
Thib_it's not so much what I can do I'm worried about, it's just that I feel bad having to leave behind some of the benefit of a new machine.06:06
xtknightDr_willis: but it's not too bad, i'd rather it do that than not show anything in my computer i guess06:06
Cpudan80Hello all06:06
Cpudan80I tried the HH beta today06:06
Dr_willisxtknight,  and if you were vnc'd in or using remote xdmcp. it shows up on EVERY users desktop.06:06
Cpudan80Minor problem06:06
nomasteryodaDr_willis, that's not nice06:07
Dr_willisxtknight,  so the fix for a 'singgle user' just borked the  multi-user stuff. :)06:07
Jordan_UThib_, Except that for most uses ( see: almost anything but rendering and number crunching ) there isn't much of an advantage to using 64 bit06:07
Cpudan80I have my laptop's screen resolution set to 1024x768 --- but the external monitor should be at 1280x102406:07
xtknightDr_willis: ah hmm06:07
hotmonkeyluvWhere are screen savers installed to in Hardy?06:07
nomasteryodaesp if you have some documents you don't want others to see06:07
Dr_willisSo its  'user friendlyness' at the cost of other annoyances..06:07
xtknightDr_willis: but only one of the multiusers would have to close it.  at least in case of vnc right?06:07
Cpudan80That works ok ---- but the gnome panels and menus and stuff don't take up the full screen06:07
hydrogenfor almost all cases06:07
xtknightDr_willis: or does each of these multiusers haev a unique login06:07
hydrogen64bit is more of a headache06:07
xtknightso that it appears on all06:07
hydrogenthan a help06:07
Dr_willisxtknight,  but if one of the other users happened to open it. then you cant unmount the thing.06:07
Cpudan80Like the menu bar is in the middle of the screen on the bigger monitor (vs on the bottom)06:07
nomasteryodahotmonkeyluv, System, Preferences, Screensaver06:07
Dr_willisxtknight,  ive seen it both ways.06:07
nomasteryoda?06:07
decayhow do i check to see which hard drive is sda, sdb, sdc, etc06:07
xtknightCpudan80: do you have two monitors?06:08
Dr_willisxtknight,  i went to the upstairs machine and it had about a dozen 'what do you want to do with this disk' dialogs.. :)06:08
xtknightdecay: right click the drive icon and it's on one of the tabs06:08
xtknightDr_willis: lol06:08
hotmonkeyluvnomasteryoda: I meant the actually directory, like /usr/bin/hacked/again06:08
nomasteryodaah06:08
xtknightDr_willis: it's just asking for all the uesrs' opinions? :P06:08
Cpudan80xtknight: yeah06:08
xtknightCpudan80: ok well have you ever installed a video driver before?06:09
Dr_willisof coruse right now, removeable media - is defaulting to using the Dolphin file manager . not konqueror for me.06:09
decayxtknight: it isnt =[06:09
Cpudan80xtknight: On hardy no -- I just tried the live CD06:09
xtknightdecay, weird looks like they removed this from hardy?06:09
redwhitewaldo which version of flash should i install. Firefox is giving me these 2 options: gnash and adobe.06:09
Cpudan80But yes I have installed the ATI drivers on GG06:10
Dr_willisid rather have a  nice mounting tool..  then try to clone how windows handles removeabel media.06:10
jcarey75Anyone have an idea why the system monitor shows 494 GiB as total space of / with 406 GiB Free, but / is only using 12 GB (per file system properties), I installed to 1 partition ( / ) and emptied trash for root and the user account.06:10
decayxtknight: maybe. the problem im having is gnome is auto mounting my drives, and then i cant really browse through them. so i wanna add them to fstab06:10
xtknightCpudan80: oh ok.  well when you install it you can use the Restricted Drivers Manager ("jockey") to  install ati drivers ("fglrx"06:10
xtknightCpudan80:  then you can use Screens and Graphics under other tools (or something like that) to configure each of your screens properly. and be sure to pay attention to whether you enable widescreen.06:11
nomasteryodahotmonkeyluv, /usr/lib/xscreensaver06:11
Jordan_Uredwhitewaldo, Unless your initials are RMS you probably want to choose adobe ( for now at least :)06:11
hotmonkeyluvnomasteryoda: thanks!06:11
redwhitewaldoJordan_U: what's RMS?06:12
Dr_willis!rms06:12
uboturms is Richard Matthew Stallman, founder of the GNU project. See !gnu and also http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Richard_Stallman06:12
nomasteryodayou can launch anyone of those in a window06:12
redwhitewaldoJordan_U: why is adobe better?06:12
Dr_willisadobe is the OFFICIAL/REAL flash06:12
redwhitewaldook. thanks.06:12
redwhitewaldoi'll install that then.06:12
hydrogenrms is one hell of a zealot06:13
Jordan_Uredwhitewaldo, Richard M. Stallman :)06:13
hydrogenthats tha best way to describe him06:13
Dr_willisyou may want to install the 'ubuntu-restricted-extras' package also06:13
Cpudan80xtknight: My ATI card wasn't supported by fglrx in GG06:13
Cpudan80It's an old Radeon 750006:13
xtknighto06:13
xtknighthmm06:13
xtknightwell i think there's a new radeonhd driver06:13
xtknightbut i dunno if that supports 7500?06:13
xtknighti'm assuming not06:13
nomasteryodahotmonkeyluv, this one is fun to put on the screen in a smaller window... hehe  /usr/lib/xscreensaver/sonar06:14
Cpudan80xtknight: But either way - I should be able to use the opensource driver right?06:14
Cpudan80And just config the screen?06:14
xtknightCpudan80: i'm not sure.  but ya if it supports multi monitors, ya06:14
hotmonkeyluvnomasteryoda: how do you do that06:14
Cpudan80I didn't see screens and graphics in the system menu06:14
Cpudan80Yeah it supports multi-monitors06:14
hotmonkeyluvnomasteryoda: wait06:15
hotmonkeyluvnomasteryoda: I got it, silly me06:15
nomasteryodahehe06:15
xtknightCpudan80: i saw mine, used it a little, installed some updates, then it disappeared :\06:15
xtknightcmdline is displayconfig-gtk06:15
nomasteryodaif you use the & on the end of the command it will go "background" and still run ... so you can use the terminal for other things06:15
xtknightrather "gksu displayconfig-gtk"06:15
Cpudan80xtknight: I'll check it out06:16
xtknightCpudan80: you on the livecd right now?06:16
Cpudan80no06:16
Cpudan80And it takes so long to boot --- I really dont want to do it :-/06:17
xtknightdoh06:17
xtknightbecause of pc specs or a bug?06:17
Cpudan80PC specs06:17
Cpudan80slow CD drive06:17
Cpudan80it takes like 2-3 mins06:17
Cpudan80The HDD install (of GG) is quite good06:18
xtknight2-3 mins ? not bad06:18
akkAre there machines where booting from a live CD is fast? I've never seen one.06:18
xtknightmy pc is about the same and i'd consider it fairly state of the art06:18
akkof course, part of why it's slow is that ubuntu does way too much at boot time then loads a big bloated gnome desktop :)06:19
nomasteryodahotmonkeyluv, thanks... i had forgotten about that feature... now my glslideshow can run right on the desktop... hehe as a window06:19
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hotmonkeyluvnomasteryoda: I'm trying to get glmatrix to play as my desktop06:20
GhotiPhuddid anyone else have breakage during today's updates?06:20
hotmonkeyluvGhotiPhud: nope06:20
nomasteryodaah hotmonkeyluv might be kinda difficult.. the cmatrix workss ok for that06:20
xtknightwhat kind of breakage?06:20
GhotiPhudmy hard drive won't complete the check now06:20
DG19075No breakage, but Java doesn't work in FF 3b506:20
GhotiPhudget's to like 15% then dies out06:20
GhotiPhudreboots the computer06:21
hotmonkeyluvnomasteryoda: oh, thanks06:21
GhotiPhudif I skip it, I can boot fine06:21
hotmonkeyluvnomasteryoda: I was having a tab bit o' trouble06:21
nomasteryodaand most of the 3d stuff with gl makes issues with compiz... so the fusion-icon comes in handy for switching it off... on my intel graphics based laptop at least06:21
GhotiPhudI think my problem may be that it died during the upgrades06:22
GhotiPhudbut I've updated all the way now06:22
redwhitewaldoDr_willis: why should one install ubuntu-restricted packages too?06:22
hotmonkeyluvnomasteryoda: how can I get cmatrix to play *as* the desktop and not on it?06:23
Dr_willisredwhitewaldo,  it grabs a lot of this stuff, java, flash, codecs, othe bits..06:23
nomasteryodahang on hotmonkeyluv06:23
Dr_willissaves a lot of time ane people asking questions :)06:23
Jordan_Unomasteryoda, I've made a script that disables compiz ( if it is running ) , runs the command passed to it in the arguments, then re-enables compiz after the command finishes and I use it for all of my launchers to 3D apps06:24
dotechis there a way to force firefox to use /dev/audio1?06:24
dotechseems like no matter what i do the system continues to use /dev/audio or /dev/dsp06:25
os2maclinke /dev/audio1 to /dev/audio?06:25
nomasteryodaJordan_U, nice...06:25
nomasteryodai use compiz-switch on my gutsy install...06:25
x1250Jordan_U: could you upload somwhere that script? If you want, ofcourse...06:26
nomasteryodahttp://lifehacker.com/software/linux-tip/use-a-screensaver-as-desktop-wallpaper-299410.php06:27
nomasteryodathat's the method i used... before hotmonkeyluv06:27
nomasteryodatime to snooze... gn06:27
Jordan_Ux1250, Sure, I hacked it together quickly in perl, so don't expect much06:27
x1250thanks :D06:28
hotmonkeyluvnomasteryoda: thanks!06:29
DanaGfun thing to do with hard drives:06:29
DanaGcat them piped into aplay.06:29
Jordan_Ux1250, http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/62215/06:29
dotechhaha man06:29
nomasteryodaDanaG, lol06:29
dotechwhen i first connect the usb device i hear this crazy jungle music06:29
gaminggeekanyone here got a tablet to work on hardy?06:30
dotechi know im so close to getting this to work06:30
akkgaminggeek: someone pointed earlier to https://answers.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+question/2808406:31
os2macDanaG:  forgive my ignorance but what would that do?06:31
DanaGOr rather, cat partitions to the sound card that way.06:32
DanaGDifferent file systems sound different.06:32
dotechhaha06:32
gaminggeekakk: sorry but that is useless06:33
forresthi, I just installed virtualbox and the gui looks bad, is there a QT package I'm missing or something maybe? the gui looks real chunky :p06:33
dotechanyway, im trying to listen to some  breakbeats, not bash06:33
dotechwhen i plug in my usb audio device it plays jungle music for 5 seconds :)06:33
dotechi know it works06:33
x1250Jordan_U: thanks, I'll try it later :)06:33
dotechbut for some reason no other audio is getting directed to it unless i manually redirect something to /dev/audio106:34
dotechin syslog i get 1 strange message, alsa-util.c: Cannot find fallback mixer control "Mic".06:34
dotechfrom pulseaudio06:34
Jordan_Ux1250, np06:36
DanaGwtf? quodlibet won't play anything!06:43
DanaGFri Apr  4 22:43:21 2008: GStreamer encountered a general resource error.06:43
woodwizzleWhats the best way to make a USB hard drive a permanent part of my filesystem? Should I just manually edit my fstab?06:43
gaminggeekwhy do you want to do that?06:44
gaminggeekand yes fstab would be your best shot06:44
woodwizzlegaminggeek: Its a 750gb drive that I keep all my movies, music, fonts etc and misc data on06:44
gaminggeekdo you want to mount it to /home/woodwizzle/stuff rather than /media/stuff?06:45
akkYou might need to make a udev rule so the specific drive is recognized.06:46
woodwizzlegaminggeek: Not sure really. In the past it has been /media/stuff, I'm running a 1 user system06:46
woodwizzleI want to make it part of the filesystem so banshee knows where my music is, and tracker or beagle knows what to index06:47
woodwizzleediting my fstab is no prob. I've done it tons in the past. But there really should be a GUI for this kinda thing I think. A lot of desktop users have a large backup or media drive connected at all times06:48
woodwizzlegaminggeek: Why do you ask where I want to mount it? Is there something I'm not considering?06:49
akkAdding an fstab line is easy. The only tricky part is figuring out where the disk will be, e.g. will it always be /dev/sda or whatever06:49
bastid_raZorakk; use UUID then06:50
akkfor that, you might want to add a rule like the ones in /etc/udev/rules.d/65-persistent-storage.rules06:50
woodwizzleooh, there is a gui. Just right click on the drive under computer, then click preferences. Its under the Volume tab06:51
akkyeah, or uuid, that's another way06:51
dotechi think my problem is pulseaudio06:52
mindframehow do i go back to the ubuntu nvidia driver after i've compiled/installed the one directly from nvidia?06:53
dotechyea pulse is definitely my problem06:54
dotechok so maybe this question is easier06:59
dotechHow do I set the device that pulse audio uses?06:59
dotechI know its sending all audio to my onboard audio chip now because I hear sirius through it06:59
xtknightdoes anyone else get oddly huge fonts in firefox07:05
xtknightlike 'next' and 'previous' on a google reuslts page are huge/07:05
jcarey75xtknight they do look a little bigger07:08
xtknightjcarey75, well mine look giant07:08
xtknightlike size hmm 40?07:08
xtknightshould be about 16 i think07:08
jcarey75Yeah, mine are set at  in content, fonts & colors, but I changed the default to FreeSans07:09
jcarey75set at 1607:09
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xtknightjcarey75, like this? http://img31.picoodle.com/img/img31/4/4/4/f_bigfontsm_e41c2be.jpg07:13
xtknightjcarey75, could be my AdBlock extension i'm not sure.07:13
xtknightmy font size is set to default in FF, and i didnt touch fonts controls07:13
jcarey75xtknight, Ha!  I would definitely have noticed that!07:13
xtknightlol07:14
jcarey75I'm using 3.0b407:14
xtknightsame.  stock.  still happens w/ adblock disabled07:15
xtknightit scales proportional to my font size but there's no reason it's that big to begin with07:15
T1m0thyWhy isn't FF upgraded yet?07:15
xtknightunless someone at google decided to play a prank on me or something07:15
xtknighti think ubuntuforums have the same huge font size where they shouldnt07:16
xtknighthmm i did install microsoft TTF fonts from ubuntu-restricted-extras07:16
xtknightbut..07:16
jcarey75I did too07:17
Fritzelwhat utility do you use to configure runlevels?07:18
macogwwhen are translation strings due?07:20
macogwoh wait07:20
macogwthis is a universe package07:20
xtknightLanguagePackTranslationDeadline April 1707:21
xtknightNonLanguagePackTranslationDeadline April 10, depends07:22
Thib_well :-(07:29
Thib_it seems that my wireless adapter doesn't work with anything07:29
Thib_Gutsy or Hardy, x86 or amd64.07:29
Thib_from Google searches there is circumstantial evidence I'm not alone.07:30
Thib_I guess that in the mean time I'll get a USB wireless card07:30
Thib_:-|07:30
Thib_of course even if I had wireless my graphics card isn't working either, but that's another story07:31
Thib_thanks everyone, laterz07:31
Jordan_U!boot | Fritzel ( BTW, upstart does not have a concept of runlevels )07:34
ubotuFritzel ( BTW, upstart does not have a concept of runlevels ): Boot options: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/BootOptions - To add/remove startup services, you can use the package 'bum', or update-rc.d - To add your own startup scripts, use /etc/rc.local - See also !grub and !dualboot - Making a boot floppy: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/GrubHowto/BootFloppy - Also see https://help.ubuntu.com/community/SmartBootManagerHowto07:34
Dr_willishe wil have to wait for Intoxicated Ibix i guess? :)07:34
shirishcan somebody look at this bug https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/linux/+bug/21209307:42
ubotuLaunchpad bug 212093 in linux "GDM not working while booting hardy kernel 2.6.24-15-generic" [Undecided,New]07:42
shirishand lemme know if any more info. is needed.07:42
Cheetahmorning07:44
SuperQyup07:44
Cheetahis there a detailed list of changes/changelog for ubuntu 8.04? I'm curious about which libs changed, etc07:45
SuperQeek07:45
SuperQthat's gonna be 1000 packages long07:45
Cheetahhmm, so what? :D07:46
SuperQCheetah: do you want to know between 6.06 or 7.10?07:46
Cheetah7.10 -> 8.0407:46
SuperQI suppose you could automate some kind of diff07:46
Cheetahbasically i just want to look up a few packages07:47
SuperQpull all the changelogs for all packages07:47
SuperQoh, that's easy07:47
Cheetahnot the whole diff ;)07:47
SuperQhttp://packages.ubuntu.com/packagename07:47
Cheetahoh07:47
Cheetahit's already there07:47
* Cheetah checks it out07:47
Cheetahah yeah07:48
Cheetahthanks a lot07:48
Cheetahthat's what I was looking for07:48
SuperQyea, no problem07:48
ptr771Hi I am getting an Error 15 : file not found when booting from Grub after an update the kernel and restart (2.6.24-15 & 14). My 2.6.24-12 kernel boots fine. Can anyone suggest what the prob may be?07:49
Cheetahright now I'm using 7.10 to do some programming work. As 8.04 ships with the same version of qt4 it would be working if I upgrade to 8.04 to test my apps on it. Any big things I should watch out for while upgrading?07:49
SuperQptr771: grub error 15 is file loading problem07:52
SuperQptr771: most of the time it's a filename problem07:52
SuperQptr771: try sudo /usr/sbin/update-grub booted to the working kernel07:53
ptr771superQ: I'll give it a try -- this occurred after some automatic updates and the files look fine me07:54
SuperQptr771: ok07:54
ptr771SuperQ: did the grub-update and which picked up the different versions but still get the Error 15 when try to boot of either the -14 or -1507:59
shirishhe could have also used apt-listchanges for the same.07:59
SuperQptr771: hrm, I guess I don't know off the top of my head08:01
ptr771SuperQ: is there anyway to tell whta file was not found? The files points to in the menu.lst are all there as far as I can tell.08:02
SuperQptr771: you can ls -l the filenames in the grub config08:03
SuperQptr771: I'd show you my setup, but it's setup for an encrypted partition, wouldn't probably make sense to you :)08:03
compwiz18does anyone have a Broadcom 4306 rev 3 working w/ b43?08:15
J-_How can I seen how much video memory I have?08:17
redwhitewaldohow can i have my ubuntu+1 comp automatically upgrade to latest firefox beta?08:19
tyEverytime i log out/restart i have to change my resolution back from 640*480 why wont it save?08:21
ethana2redwhitewaldo: just wait08:21
ethana2ty: what gpu?08:22
tynvidia 7300 GO08:22
tyit was fine and then i acctidently install a wrong kernel i have sinc removed and everything worksfine except for this08:23
tySorry just saw that restricted driver was not in use will reboot and see what happens08:24
Jordan_UI can has FF3b5?08:25
redwhitewaldoethana2: what do you mean? fx3b4 will automatically become b5 and then fx3final?08:25
ethana2hmm08:26
ethana2yes08:26
ethana2redwhitewaldo: it just lags behind a day or three08:26
ethana2hmm08:26
gluerim using FF3b5 much more stable08:31
Geoffrey2does Heron seem to still be on track for a late April release?08:44
DarkMageZGeoffrey2, nothing will delay the release cept something that prevents it from booting on the majority of systems.08:45
denndadoes totems youtube plugin work for anybody? I get errors whenever I start playing a video08:48
Geoffrey2it'll be interesting to see if the new kernel boots on my desktop without the kernel flag I need to pass to get Gutsy to boot up...08:52
ryanzecI have installed ubuntu 8.04 and seem to found an isssue. My laptop screen seems to be very dim even tho it is att 100% in power management(but if looks like it does when i put my dim to 30% on 7.10). it also does not seem to affect anything when i change the dim percentage.  is this a known issue?08:53
gluerryanzec: add the brightness applet08:54
gluerryanzec: there is a package called xbacklight or something but its not ready for hardy, i just added the brightness applet, worked for my asus laptop08:57
x1250it works in here also09:01
x1250dell laptop09:01
ryanzecgluer: where do i get the brightness applet from?09:05
gluerryanzec: right click the taskbar - add applet09:06
gluersorry add to panel09:06
gluerits under system & hardware09:07
ryanzecany reason why the power management does not control this anymore?09:10
gluerNFI09:10
ryanzecwell i got the brightness applet in and got my laptop screen looking good but the slider is still showing up even i remove i tried to click on the applet to close it and even tried to remove the applet from the task bar.09:11
gluerryanzec: but the world is bright right? ;-)09:12
ryanzecyea09:12
tywhere are he settings for gnome panel stored for each user?09:13
penanyone know why avant-window-navigator always recreate the icon when you click it?09:14
penand move it to far right09:14
ryanzeci have used this link to be able to player flash video players http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=476924 : do i still need it?09:15
doolzpen: join #AWN09:16
bullgard4What is the most complete list of Gutsy feature upgrades towards Hardy?09:17
tyhow do you kill a process?09:20
LegolasVty: kill <pid>09:20
turbotruckhey, there09:20
turbotruckcan use some help09:20
tylegolasV: what if i dont know the pid09:21
LegolasVty: ps aux|grep <processname> and you can see all the pid's09:21
turbotrucki've the tarballed hanmade internet authorizator provided by my damn ISP09:21
turbotruckwhen i compile it a receive such an error log: http://rafb.net/p/LfsHmN23.html09:22
turbotrucki can download packages only manually under win system where i have the internet connection09:23
turbotruckand i'm newbee to linux09:23
Dr_willisI would run a long network cable.. :)09:24
turbotruckthis error "/usr/bin/ld: cannot find -lzlib" means that i need an zlibc package or what?09:24
Dr_willisyep zlib-dev or simthing simillary named09:25
Dr_willis!find zlib09:25
ubotuFound: libcompress-raw-zlib-perl, libcompress-zlib-perl, libio-compress-zlib-perl, libio-zlib-perl, libruby1.8 (and 10 others)09:25
Dr_willisHmm.. try  -->   apt-cache search zlib | grep dev09:26
turbotruckand what it does09:26
turbotruck?09:26
Dr_williswell if yu dont know the basics of the package manageing system.. i think you may NOT want to be using the beta.09:26
turbotrucki have the fresh and clean hardy09:27
Dr_willis!apt-get09:27
ubotuAPT is the Advanced Package Tool, which together with dpkg forms the basic Ubuntu package management toolkit. Short apt-get manual: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/AptGetHowto - Also see !Synaptic (Gnome) or !Adept (KDE)09:27
Dr_willisapt-cache search, searches the apt packages09:27
turbotruckwhere?09:27
Dr_williswhere what?09:27
turbotruckover the Inet?09:27
Dr_willisapt keeps a local database of packages. thats what 'apt-get update' does09:28
Dr_willisYou have a long hard road ahead - if you are not going to have any  internet connection.09:28
Dr_willisIm averating about 100 mb+ of updates here every few days.09:28
ere4sithere is sneakernet :)09:29
Dr_willisI perfer a long-cable-net09:29
turbotrucki will get the connection if i install this authorizator09:30
Dr_willisauthorizer?09:30
turbotrucka-ah whatever09:30
turbotruck:)09:30
* Dr_willis is totally lost.09:30
turbotrucki mean authorizator to me equals authorizar09:30
* Dr_willis is still totally lost.09:31
turbotruckauthorizer09:31
turbotruckwhy?09:31
turbotruck:)09:31
Dr_willisive neerheard the term 'authorizer' befor used  with linux, or windows, or networking.09:31
turbotruckokay, the authentification system, that's better?09:32
turbotruckit is provided in a tarball09:32
turbotruckwhich is a handmade sh#t by my ISP09:32
turbotruckDr_willis, and what package i should download if the cache search will be unsuccessful?09:35
Dr_williszlib1g-dev - compression library - development09:36
Dr_willis       seems close here..09:36
Dr_willisof course there also the actual zlib1g  libaray package.. and whatever  else that may depend on09:36
turbotruckit seems to me that i have installed this one -> zlib1g-dev_1.2.3.3.dfsg-7ubuntu1_i386.deb09:37
Dr_willisthers also the zlib1g - compression library - runtime09:38
turbotruckemm, can you giva a direct link on http://packages.ubuntu.com/hardy/ ?09:40
Dr_willisYou cant go there with a web browser? its under the libraries section09:42
Dr_willisseems to be at http://mirrors.kernel.org/ubuntu/pool/main/z/zlib/zlib1g_1.2.3.3.dfsg-7ubuntu1_i386.deb09:42
turbotruckah, i got this one too09:43
turbotruckokay, it's D-time09:44
turbotruckgone trying09:44
WGGMkAre the dependencies for the new kernel broke?09:44
x1250not till yesterday at least :)09:46
WGGMkis anyone having trouble upgrading to the new kernel?09:49
Dr_willisnot that i have heard WGGMk09:50
x1250better say what is your problem...09:50
penwhere should I go for compiz fusion? I want the newest compiz fusion 0.7.4 where can I get that besides bz09:53
Dr_willispen,  if you want the newest.. source is the way to go..09:53
turbotruckDr_willis, nope, that didn't work09:53
WGGMkThis is my problem http://pastebin.org/2753209:54
turbotruckstill got this error "not found -lzlib"09:54
turbotruckbut both zlib1g and zlib1g-dev are installed09:54
penDr_willis: well, it's not as smooth as a repository09:54
Dr_willislibzlcore-dev - zlibrary core - development files09:55
Dr_willislibzltext-dev - zlibrary text model/viewer - development files09:55
Dr_willisapt-cache search zlib  shows some others also.09:55
x1250WGGMk: try cleaning you're cache and redownload the files. See if that works09:56
visik7hibernate on hardy works but doesn't shutdown after finish to save ram to disk if I hard shutdown then restart it exit from hibernate09:57
DBOwhy does my computer set hdparm -B 128 on /dev/sda every time i resume from suspend.  It is ignoring my laptop-mode settings completely.09:58
Dr_willisDBO,  thers some scripts that get ran after resuming. Ive seen some forums/tweaks mention how to override them09:59
forrestanyone know how I can install this? https://launchpad.net/ubuntu/hardy/+source/virtualbox-ose-modules/2309:59
forrestsince I dont see it on the repositories?09:59
forrestyet09:59
linteldo I have to repatch madwifi after upgrading to 2.6.24-15?09:59
DBODr_willis, yeah I thought so too... For the life of me I can't find such a script.  I did my best grep foo10:00
WGGMkx1250: I tried clearing the cache via Synaptic and it did not seem to work10:00
Dr_willisDBO,  google for ubuntu hard drive clicking :)10:00
Dr_willishttp://www.linux-hero.com/rant/explanation-ubuntu-hard-drive-wear-and-tear10:01
DBODr_willis, yeah I know how to hack around the issue.  I am more curious to figure out what script is setting the wrong value initially so I can tell it to be less stupid10:01
DBOI mean ubuntu's method of dealing with laptop-mode is nothing short of brain dead to begin with...  but why dear god why is it being set to 128 every time?  I can't find anything that says it does that10:02
Dr_willisthe threads detail this.10:02
Dr_willisThe script that's executed when you plug or unplug your laptop is /etc/acpi/power.sh    - wonder if thats it..10:03
DBOactually unplugging/pluggin my laptop causes laptop-mode to fire and fixes the issue10:03
Dr_willisThere is also script /etc/apm/event.d/20hdparm. This script also sets the spin-down timeout10:03
DBOim looking for something setting -B to 12810:04
DBOspecifically 128... as that seems to be what it is set to after resume every single time10:05
forrestIs there anyway I can get access to this? https://launchpad.net/ubuntu/hardy/+source/virtualbox-ose-modules10:05
forrestI've ran 'apt-get update' but I dont see it10:05
Dr_willisit may be in the medibuntu repos that are not officially out yet.10:06
forrestwhat are those?10:08
forrestthe addresses?10:08
Dr_willis!medibuntu10:08
ubotumedibuntu is a repository of packages that cannot be included into the Ubuntu distribution for legal reasons - See http://www.medibuntu.org10:08
DBODr_willis, just tested...  making a 98-laptop-mode-hack script in /usr/lib/pm-utils/sleep.d that restarts laptop-mode fixes the issue10:09
DBODr_willis, that said... I would still like to know why its so brain dead...10:09
Dr_williswhys whats so brain dead?10:10
DBOwell, i grepped my entire system for scripts calling hdparm, none of them are setting it to 128 (i added traces to most all of them)10:10
DBOso why when i resume, is my power management level at 128?10:10
DBOits frustrating is all10:10
Dr_williscould be nothing is setting it. and its the hd's default thats kicking back in10:11
turbotruckDr_willis, nothing changed10:14
turbotruckit still can't find this damn lzlib10:14
turbotruckcan you, please,  have a look at the error log - http://rafb.net/p/LfsHmN23.html ?10:14
turbotruckseems to be i'm blind10:14
turbotruckand missing some simple thing10:14
WGGMkDoes anyone have a clue why the last 2 kernel images are being held back for me? http://pastebin.org/2753210:15
ere4siWGGMk: it says dependency probs10:19
Dr_willishmm10:20
WGGMkere4si: for lack of a better way to word this.... how do i fix it lol?10:20
ere4siWGGMk: how did you upgrade?10:21
DBOyeah that one is just spiffy10:21
WGGMkere4si: fresh install.. but if you mean keeping up-to-date, have a habit of updating from the terminal if makes a difference10:22
DBOwhat command?10:22
WGGMkDBO: do i use?10:22
DBOyes10:22
WGGMkDBO: sudo apt-get update && sudo apt-get upgrade10:23
DBOtry10:23
DBOsudo aptitude safe-upgrade10:23
DBOits a little less braindead10:23
WGGMknot sure I follow. why would my method cause an issue?10:23
DBOaptitude is better at solving dependencies than regular apt-get10:24
WGGMkit still has the same problem10:26
DBOsuper =)10:26
DBOtry10:26
DBOsudo aptitude install linux-restricted-modules-2.6.24-14-generic10:27
WGGMksame10:28
DBOhmmm10:29
DBOdoes sudo apt-get -f install do anything fun?10:29
WGGMkWTB latest Kernel (Paying Well) lol10:29
kRushpausing rhythmbox or totem gives me 100% cpu usage from pulseaudio, is this a known bug?10:29
WGGMkyea, it does stuff but its not fun10:30
DBOkRush, if you kill pulse does gnome-power-manager do funny things when pulse is at 100?10:30
DBOWGGMk, same thing as before?10:31
WGGMkDBO: yessum10:31
kRushDBO, uhm funny like what? I don't have to kill it actually resuming/closing the audio-app is just fine10:32
DBOWGGMk, you sir are going to have to play lord of the dpkg i thinks...  unless someone else has something magical to try10:32
DBOkRush, really now?10:32
WGGMkDBO: question is, how did my dependencies become broke?10:32
kRushyeah10:32
DBOWGGMk, im going to guess the recent alignment of the sun and the moon caused a vortex swirling in the very fabric of space time and... magic10:33
DBOWGGMk, see all those package names in your big long error?  There are corresponding packages for them in /var/cache/apt/archives.  Find them and copy them all to a folder on your desktop (or wherever) then cd into that folder and run sudo dpkg -i *.deb10:35
jk_is there a file that shows updates10:35
WGGMkDBO: they are not in /var/chace/apt/archives.. only 1 file and 1 folder.. file contains nothing nor does the folder10:37
DBOWGGMk, okay, download the debs from archive.ubuntu.com i guess..10:38
DBOare you sure you spelled that right btw?10:38
DBOcache, not chace10:39
rothchildI'm trying to upgrade from gutsy but when I run update-manager --devel-release all that happens is that update manager is launched and it doesn't find the new distribution release when I check for updates, what is going on with that (my other box worked fine using this method)10:39
WGGMkDBO: i mispelled it in the message.. but not in the terminal sorry10:39
DBOookie dokie10:39
stefgrothchild: did you or some 'third party helper' tinker with your sources.list? (automatix, envy)10:42
rothchildNo,, I did a fresh reinstall from a gutsy disk not so long ago and I don't use automatix or envy (just had a quick double check and sources look box stock - hadn't even got round to putting medibuntu in there!)10:45
stefgrothchild: hmm... try a different mirror. maybe the problem is server side ?10:46
rothchildhttp://pastebin.ca/972293 sources.list10:47
rothchildyou mean change 'gb' to 'us' or somesuch?10:49
stefgrothchild: i'd try replacing gb.archive.ubuntu.com with plain archive.ubuntu.com, then  run sudo apt-get update and try again if the update manager is finding it then10:49
rothchildok, ta I'll give it a shot10:50
rothchildif it works after changes should I put it in launchpad?10:51
stefgrothchild: oh, and make sure your gutsy is fully updated before trying to upgrade to hardy10:52
stefgrothchild: no, this doesn't qualify as a bug, it may be just a server which is temporarily down10:52
rothchildstefg it is (if only because I just launched update manager three times trying to get it working;-)) re: reporting, it wasn't working the other night either10:53
turbotruckhey, pals. what do i need to regard the error http://rafb.net/p/LfsHmN23.html ?10:54
turbotrucki've been cracking my head for an hour already10:55
Dr_willisturbotruck,  i cant seem to find any info on it either.10:55
Dr_willisthe only zlib i can find is in /usr/lib/imlib2/loaders/zlib.so10:55
Dr_willisya could edit  /etc/ld.so.conf.d10:57
Dr_willis /libc.conf  and add the path to    /usr/lib/imlib2/loaders/zlib.so  in there10:57
Dr_willisassuming thats the right lib10:58
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rothchildhmm updated sources http://pastebin.ca/972297 and still no dice with update manager finding the upgrade11:00
turbotrucknah, i don't have this path /usr/lib/imlib2/loaders/zlib.so11:00
Dr_willis!find zlib.so11:01
ubotuNo packages matching 'zlib.so' could be found11:01
Dr_willisit may been from the imlib2 library pacaktges11:01
FinnishHow to setup Flash in Hardy?11:02
stefgrothchild: so what exactly is sudo update-manager -d returning?11:02
turbotruckfond \usr\lib\python2.5\lib-dynload\zlib.so11:03
turbotruckthe only one really11:03
Dr_willisi have that one also.11:03
Dr_willisi tend to install EVERYTHING..... :) so i got lots of things11:03
stefgAh, so you are the one which is hogging the servers, so others can't upgrade, Dr_willis :-)11:04
turbotruckso, you think this lib is good to path to?11:04
Dr_willisi dont know why there would be 2 of them on the system11:06
rothchildstefg the terminal returns 'Warning: could not initiate dbus' and then launches update manager, I can hit 'check' and it polls the sources but doesn't find anything to upgrade11:06
Dr_willisthat one looks rather pyton specific11:06
turbotruckbut i don't have any other11:07
turbotruck:)11:07
stefgrothchild: hmmm.... gutsy has som ipv6 issues... maybe it's related to that. try disabling ipv611:07
stefgrothchild: so gutsy is fully updated? rebooted after gutsy update?11:08
Dr_willisthat one from imlib,  is used for image files...11:08
rothchildI believe so, I do have privoxy installed is that likely to do anything?11:09
stefgrothchild: olh yes11:10
stefg!proxy11:10
ubotuMany Ubuntu IRC channels prohibit access from !proxies such as !TOR and web (Java, etc) gateways due to a high level of abuse. You can however obtain a hostmask cloak: see http://freenode.net/faq.shtml#cloaks11:10
stefg!apt-proxy11:10
ubotuapt-proxy is a program that acts as a local apt repository server for a LAN, only fetching from the internet when required. To set it up see https://help.ubuntu.com/community/AptProxy11:10
rothchildaha nice one, thank you11:10
stefgrothchild: in fact these were not the factoids i was fishing for... you need to tell apt that there's a proxy, but it would be simplest to just disble it for the upgrade11:11
turbotruckDr_willis, will i ask too much if i ask to compile this "project" by you and sent me back the result?11:12
rothchildstefg ok I'll try that, I need to swot up a bit more on what it's doing and how it's doing it anyway so this seems like a good chance to learn!11:13
rothchildstefg thanks for your help11:13
no0ticwill firefox3 beta5 be in hardy?11:13
visik7no0tic: I don't think that a beta will remain un-upgraded11:14
penno0tic: soon, I think11:15
Dr_willisturbotruck,  i cant seem to find the right lib either. ya can post the url and i can try i guess11:16
turbotruckhttp://rapidshare.de/files/39026511/InetAccess.tgz.html11:18
turbotruckand i've added11:22
turbotruck-ldl\11:22
turbotruck-lzlib11:22
turbotruckto LIBS11:22
turbotruckin a makefile11:22
ImpyHi does anyone else have trouble with firefox and flash? firefox closes when i try and view videos on youtube11:22
turbotrucknot in a makefile but in objects.mk11:22
Dr_willis  http://pastebin.com/f95569f711:29
Dr_willisits not wanting to compile here either11:30
qivhi11:30
qivanyone else experiencing problems with boost filesystem?11:30
albert23turbotruck: Are you trying to link something with the zlib library? If you do, install package zlib1g-dev and use -lz instead of -lzlib11:31
Dr_willisboost filesystem?11:31
blinkizThe package "linux-xen" does not work. Dependence missing. Is this a known problem?11:31
qiv$ lyx || terminate called after throwing an instance of 'boost::filesystem::basic_filesystem_error<boost::filesystem::basic_path<std::string, boost::filesystem::path_traits> >' ||   what():  boost::filesystem::exists || Aborted (core dumped)11:31
qivthats what i get Dr_willis11:32
qivnever heard of boost whatever before ;)11:32
turbotruckalbert23, ok, i'll try11:32
qivDr_willis: i found a hint ... it is a chmod problem, sudo lyx works ^^11:35
Dr_willissoubnds like some OOP type system call/routine11:36
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tomkirbyi'm having problems with Hardy - it gets really slow when there's lots of disk i/o going on... i've filed a bug (https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+bug/205945), but nobody wants to help me. can anyone here help?11:44
ubotuLaunchpad bug 205945 in ubuntu "[Hardy] Heavy I/O causes other processes to starve" [Undecided,New]11:44
gourdinhi there11:46
tomkirbyhi gourdin11:47
gourdinI got kde 4.0.3 on gusty here11:47
gourdinif I upgrade to hardy11:47
gourdinwill my kde 4 install be ok ?11:47
tomkirbyi'm really stuck with this problem - can anyone give me any pointers?11:50
tomkirbyi think i've tried all the obvious stuff...11:50
cvd-prHey where is the xmms player? i dont see it in sinaptyc11:51
Dr_willisxmms is  long over due for death. :)11:52
Dr_willisyou may want to try the beepmedia player11:52
Dr_willisxmms2 is lacking from what i tried of it.11:52
DBOwhy are the md5sums on the nvidia driver binaries different from the ones in the vanilla packages?11:54
tomkirbyDr_willis: maybe you can help me?11:55
Dr_willistomkirby,  with what? :)11:57
gourdinwhat is the best way to upgrade gutsy to hardy ?11:57
gourdinapt-get distugrade ?11:57
sourcodesudo apt-get upgrade -d11:57
sourcodeor clean install11:58
gourdinupgrade -d ?11:58
gourdin(is this dist-uprade ? :)11:58
jcarey75tomkirby, I have a similar issue, for example after my hardy install, I've been restoring my data files to /home and with heavy disk activity, system seems to slow, certainly firefox11:58
cvd-pri just downloaded the daily beta11:59
tomkirbyDr_willis: thanks - i'm having problems with Hardy: it gets really slow when there's lots of disk i/o. i didn't have this problem with gutsy, and i was wondering where i could look for further information...11:59
cvd-pri think its better to have a cd11:59
cvd-prand a fresh isntall11:59
gourdinarf11:59
sourcodeupgrade -d  != dist-upgrade11:59
Dr_willistomkirby,  try testing out some of the older kernels, or some of the alternative kernels, check that dma is enabled on the hard drives11:59
gourdinsourcode: ok thx, Im reading the man :)12:00
gourdin"fresh install" that sucks12:00
sourcodefresh install is the best12:00
tomkirbyDr_willis: will certainly check re. dma - i'd forgotten what it was called :-$12:00
gourdinit shoudn't12:00
tomkirbynot sure about using old kernels though - sounds complicated12:00
Dr_willisselect the older kernel in the grub menu12:01
gourdin"format and reinstall"12:01
gourdinthans reminds me of something12:01
gourdineven on mac you don't have to "reinstall"12:01
tomkirbyDr_willis: thanks12:02
pepie34I still have a regression with the new kernel, madwifi-svn is not working since 2.6.24-1412:02
pepie34has anyone else got this problem ?12:02
Dr_willisive had to reinstall on my Mac.12:02
pepie34or other wifi probleme sunce te update12:03
savvaspepie34: there's -15 now from what i see12:03
pepie34yes both -14 and -15 make madwifi-svn not working12:04
pepie34still working with -12 (so not a userland problem)12:04
tomkirbyDr_willis: i'm using a SATA hd - does this affect whether or not dma should work or be enabled?12:06
Dr_willisthers some bugs where the dma is not getting enabled on some machiens ive seen/heard12:07
tomkirbyDr_willis: hdparm is returning "HDIO_GET_DMA failed: Inappropriate ioctl for device"12:08
tomkirbyany thoughts?12:08
Dr_willishdparm is not for sda type disks12:08
tomkirbyright12:08
Dr_willisthus theres some bugs in the libata stuff.12:08
tomkirbyunder gutsy, my hd used to be /dev/hda12:08
tomkirbynow it's /dev/sda12:08
tomkirbysame drive12:08
stefg!uuid | tomkirby12:09
ubotutomkirby: To see a list of your devices/partitions and their corresponding UUID's, run this command in a !shell: « sudo blkid » (see https://wiki.ubuntu.com/LibAtaForAtaDisks for the rationale behind the transition to UUID)12:09
stefg!info sdparm12:10
ubotusdparm (source: sdparm): Output and modify SCSI device parameters. In component universe, is optional. Version 1.02-1 (hardy), package size 113 kB, installed size 372 kB12:10
tomkirbystefg: thanks. how can i use sdparm to make disk access work properly (i.e. without hogging cpu)?12:16
Shiiiican someone point to a solution to i965 graphics in hardy ?12:18
Shiiiiand to  a solution for sis m672 graphics in hardy12:18
restless_userhello i just updated hardy rebooted and now i get a "failed to initialize HAL" error on startup right now i am on a live cd since i have no net access in hardy12:21
savvasrestless_user: you'll probably have to chroot your way to fix it12:24
savvas!chroot12:24
ubotuhttps://wiki.ubuntu.com/DebootstrapChroot use this to build 32 bit environments on a 64 bit box12:24
savvashm..12:24
savvas!grub12:24
ubotugrub is the default Ubuntu boot manager. Lost grub after installing windows: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/RecoveringUbuntuAfterInstallingWindows - Making GRUB floppies & other GRUB howtos: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/GrubHowto12:24
tomkirbycan anyone help me optimize the performance of a SATA disk with sdparm or similar?12:24
|DuReX|restless_user: hal doesn't work maby, but try ifup eth012:24
|DuReX|should just work :p12:24
penpertoday when I started my computer the resolution was at 640x480 and it can't go up any higher. I'm running Hardy and the nvidia 169.12 driver12:25
|DuReX|then u have inet :p12:25
billisniceis hardy delayed for 3 months?12:25
savvasyeah12:25
billisnicewhat will the new month be?12:26
savvascount :)12:26
billisnicelol12:26
restless_userubotu i didn't lose grub and i am on 32bit hardy i tried sudo -configure -a but that didn't seem to do anything after a reboot12:26
savvasbillisnice: i'm just kidding, the 3-month delay was an april fools joke12:27
billisniceok12:27
Dr_willisbut the unicorn wallpaper is official!12:27
billisniceyou had me12:27
billisnicelol12:27
billisnicei like the bird12:27
savvaswhat unicorn? :P12:27
billisniceis that what it is?12:27
savvasno the bird was a heron ;p12:28
billisniceok12:28
billisnicebetter than the previous ones12:28
savvasDr_willis: link?12:29
rinaldi_"shared folders" in administration has gone, accidently uninstalled it. what is the name of the package so I can get it back?12:30
Dr_willissavvas,  :)12:30
savvas:P12:30
savvasdarn12:31
savvasgot me there ;p12:31
savvasit's the 5th of april though12:31
savvasone day after the establishment of microsoft ;)12:31
begorhi12:31
begorenglish or someone who speaks german=12:32
begor?12:32
rinaldi_anyone know the package name for "shared folders" in administration?12:33
savvasrinaldi_: what administration? what shared folderS?12:34
T1m0thyHaving 'update-notifier' in my Openbox boot script should bring me updates right?12:34
penperwhere do I configure which driver to load? I think it's loading the 'nv' display driver but I want to load the 'nvidia' one12:35
rinaldi_savvas: you know "shared folders" in system > administration. it isnt there and it was a little while ago. is it not in hardy?12:35
savvasrinaldi_: i don't see such a thing, sorry :\12:36
rinaldi_savvas: so it isn't in hardy yet I guess. it was in 7.10 though... anyone know?12:37
Dr_willispenper,  i installed the nvidia-glx package and used the restricted-manager tool to enavble the nvida driver12:38
penperDr_willis: I tried that. It works. It loads. But I keep getting troubles with it (getting low resolutions only) so I'm trying to install a previous version than the one the restricted-manager laods12:41
dns53run nvidia-xconfig to generate an xorg.conf12:42
penperdns53: thanks, I'll try that12:43
Impydoes firefox keep crashing lots for everyone else?12:44
jcarey75impy, for me it's been pretty stable, I have had some slowdowns, but it's been related to something else and firefox has come back after a bit12:47
Impy:o12:47
Impymine keeps closing when trying to watch youtube videos and even when i click sign in to ebay :(12:48
zniavrehttp://img241.imageshack.us/img241/1819/hardy1qw0.jpg12:49
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zniavreoops sorry too fast and wrong clic12:49
jcarey75I'm on hardy amd64 with flash-nonfree installed, both sited work fine, but I've had several installs...gutsy / hardy  32 / 64 with varying results12:50
jcarey75zniarvre, no prob, I checked it out, what version of avant are you using? and the dock on the side?  very nice setup12:51
jcarey75oops meant zniavre12:52
zniavrefrom trunk12:52
zniavrebzr i guess12:53
jcarey75cool, thanks12:53
zniavrethere is an hardy repository somewhere in their website12:54
zylche7.10 --> 8.04 Distribution Upgrade, I think the upgrade client is frozen, "Preparing to upgrade, Checking package manager"12:56
jcarey75I'm checking it out now, actually have all kinds of things open researching awn, I've had some problems with previous installs.12:56
zylcheIs this a known bug, or am I just being impatient?13:00
Lynourezylche: have they even started making the upgrade client do these upgrades? Last I asked about it, the answer seemed to be it happens couple of days before the release13:02
zylche...Good point, I did get it downloaded and the upgrade client runs, it just falls at the first hurdle..13:02
zylcheI saw the 8.04 upgrade page in the wiki, and it mentioned uses it.13:03
Lynourezylche: hmm, I'm on kubuntu side, so could be different13:05
LynoureI assume most just do apt-get dist-upgrade after modifying the sources.list13:05
zylchehrm. Anyone here actually upgrade from ubuntu 7.10 then?13:05
zylcheYeah, I guess I'll have to manually modify that -_-13:06
billisnicei need to change the computer monitor, the default locks me in high resolution.  Where do i find the monitors to change? ty13:15
|DuReX|https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/linux/+bug/20997113:17
|DuReX|:p13:17
ubotuLaunchpad bug 209971 in linux "[Hardy Regression] cx22702 no longer works" [Undecided,Incomplete]13:17
zniavrejcarey75: deb http://ppa.launchpad.net/awn-testing/ubuntu hardy main   it's the development repos for hardy there is trunk and testing in same repository (im using trunk one)13:20
jcarey75zniavre: after you mentioned trunk, I installed from the repositories (.2.1), turns out, I had been using an older version before.  I'm customizing the launchers and look now, thanks for the added info.13:24
zniavreok13:24
jaffarkelshacmy mount points is annoying me, everytime i mount a _ is added to it. now is /media/hdd_________14:03
jaffarkelshachow do i stop this14:03
ptr771hi. i'm not about to boot into -14 or -15 having updated to them and restarted, getting a grub error 15: file not found, but I've checked all the files and they look fine to me. Has anyone else seen this problem?14:09
erle-has anyone in here tried kexec once?14:09
ptr771that should be "not able to boot"14:09
dns53grub can have problems when the kernel is located in a partition too deep in the disk14:11
dns53you could have a /boot partition on at the start of the drive14:11
ptr771I'm using a vanilla 8.04 install and this porblem has just occurred after an automatic update - I haven't touched anything manually -- my -12 kernel works fine thankfully an dis in the same place.14:12
|DuReX|seems like there is a problem with HAL14:14
|DuReX|https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/linux/+bug/20997114:15
ubotuLaunchpad bug 209971 in linux "[Hardy Regression] cx22702 no longer works" [Undecided,Incomplete]14:15
ptr771Yes it did same something like : I'm sorry Dave, I can't do that. ;)14:16
zeverHello all, i'm planning to do an LTS upgrade (desktop install), are there some issues I should watch out for?14:20
rinaldi1zever:  i had a lot of problems with nvidia drivers, not sure if they fixed it. Was a big problem14:21
rinaldi1zever: i am waiting another 19 days to upgrade my other one, when the stable release is14:23
zeverrinaldi1, ok, i probably should wait too, i hope they solved the nvidia problem by then14:25
derspanksterI am waiting for final on my desktop. I'm running the beta on this laptop without many issues but my desktop has a nvidia card and I can't risk it.14:30
rinaldi1derspankster: i risked it with another pc, but nvidia-glx-new messed it up. Fresh install worked fine though14:31
Turskinvidia driver works fine14:32
derspanksterI do work on my desktop so I don't want to take any chances14:32
zeverI also have all my schoolwork on this desktop14:33
zeverTurski, which Nvidia card do you have?14:33
Turskizever: 8800GT14:34
orvokkiNvidia-glx-new should work fine with -rt kernels with Hardy. <314:34
derspanksterJava is not working for me on my laptop and FF3 is a crash magnet right now as well.14:34
TurskiFF3 works fine for me14:35
derspanksterTurski: there are many reported bugs in FF314:35
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rinaldi1yes i get a lot of crashed, particularly with multiple tabs14:36
derspanksterespecially after kernal 2.6.24.1514:36
Turskimaybe, but i haven't noticed hardly any14:36
Turskibut i just updated to 2.6.24-15 and now this feels slower :/14:36
bod_hey guys, when hardy is released will i have to do a full install again or will i just get all the updates through the update manager?14:36
Turskiat least boot felt14:36
rinaldi1bod_: it will update14:37
penguin42I have audio problems with non-gnome apps not being able to open /dev/snd/pcm* saying that it's busy - I've not seen that in YEARS - lsof shows pulseaudio has them open; how does one make non-pulse audio apps work?14:37
derspanksterbod_: personally, I'm doing a reinstall but you don't have to14:37
bod_rinaldi1, cool, thanks dude,.,. erm, did anyone else havee problems with their system clock after the DST ?14:38
jbroomei have a seperate /home so I may just reinstall too.  depends14:38
Sergeant_Ponywhat file allows one to look at the soundcard info?14:40
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jk_how can i open/read files via ssh so far only text files14:54
nosrednaekimjk_: nano,less, vim14:55
|DuReX|pico14:56
|DuReX|vi14:56
|DuReX|:p14:56
|DuReX|emacs14:56
|DuReX|:p14:56
penguin42cat14:56
penguin42so no one else having problems with sound device being busy'?14:59
derspanksterpenguin42: sorry, no15:00
penguin42thanks for replying15:01
penguin42it's most annoying - realplayer, mplayer, and amarok can't do anything15:01
jk_nosrednaekim, that only read.open text files dont they15:01
nosrednaekimeh?15:01
jk_penguin42, what do you mean it cant do anthing15:04
penguin42jk_: I'm getting errors saying the audio device is busy or that they can't open it15:05
Sergeant_Ponyi tried apt-get install alsamixer and got "couldn't find package alsamixer"15:06
jk_its your sound card/module then penguin4215:07
penguin42Sebastian: It seems to be in alsa-utils15:07
penguin42jk_: Well I have pulse audio/rhythmbox running at the moment and that's fine - so the device is OK, it's just lost the ability to share the device15:08
derspanksterpenguin: do you have a volume control?15:08
penguin42nod15:08
derspankster*penguin4215:08
derspanksteryes?15:09
penguin42yes15:09
penguin42It doesn't work well though since Hardy - it looks like it hasn't got the right mixer channels15:09
derspanksterwhen you double-click it, what do you see?15:09
penguin42derspankster: It shows as Realtek ALC861 (OSS Mixer) and shows just a playback tab with Volume, Line-in, Microphone and CD15:10
conb123im having trouble in ubuntu 8.04 with 2.6.24-12-generic kernel i hear a looping kind of beeping sound it sort of resembles the first split second of the startup sound15:10
conb123oops15:10
conb123sorry15:10
derspanksterpenguin42: do you have the option of changing that?15:10
penguin42derspankster: Changing what?15:11
penguin42The mixer type?15:11
conb123any ideas guys15:11
derspanksterunder file -yes15:11
conb123its very irritating15:11
penguin42derspankster: Yeh, I see 3 pulse audio mixers - that are one slider each15:12
derspanksterpenguin42: and no alsa?15:12
derspanksterpenguin42: just trying to understand what you're seeing15:13
penguin42derspankster: Correct; the 4 are labelled Realtek ALC861 (OSS Mixer), Playback ALSA PCM on front 0 via DMA (Pulseaudio mixer) and then 2 others for capture15:14
penguin42derspankster: The 2 capture ones are also pulseaudo mixers 'Monitor source of ALSA PCM on Front 0 (ALC861 Analogue via DAM (Pulseaudio mixer)15:15
penguin42and another the same except without 'Monitor source' - sorry that's a bit difficult; I can only see them with the menu up and I don't have focus so I can't type them then!15:16
derspanksterpenguin42: did you upgrade to Hardy or do a new install?15:17
penguin42derspankster: Are you curious about what I'm seeing on the account of the wrong mixer channels or the 'busy'?  It's an upgrade from a working Gutsy as of last week15:17
penguin42I've done an upgrade today but not yet rebooted15:18
penguin42sorry, update today15:18
penguin42derspankster: lsof on /dev/snd/* is showing them all opened by pulseaudio15:18
penguin42are there any pulseaudio tools/stuff15:19
arachnistpavucontrol?15:19
* penguin42 finds pactl/pacmd/padsp15:20
derspanksterpenguin42: audio works for me regardless of mixer enabled - hmmm?15:21
penguin42derspankster: well I seem to be playing audio via rhythmbox somehow - I'm not sure if it's going via pulseaudio (it's not the standard rhythmbox build); so basic audio is OK, it's just device sharing that seems missing - unless I'm missing a module15:22
* penguin42 starts up a 'top' just in case gnome-power-managager goes nuts while I play with pulseaudio15:23
penguin42hmm pulseaudio is taking up cpu so it must be playing via it15:23
richard__I've got 8.04 ubuntu installed. Wifi will not connect. It recognizes my Athero's proprietary card. I've got it checked. In Networking it's set up but will not connect. 7.10 works fine. Whats with 8.04?15:28
Sergeant_Ponythis is very frustrating.... I have sound ALC861 oss mixer it works.... sometimes... any ideas..?15:29
hmullerIs the vmmouse that's autoconfigured in xorg.conf now applicable mostly for Ubuntu in a VM?15:29
richard__Any one home?15:29
penguin42Sergeant_Pony: Same here; it seems it got broken in Hardy15:29
Sergeant_PonyI can get sound on bootup and only on certain websites.15:29
Sergeant_Ponyit took me 2 weeks to get sound on 7.1015:29
hmullerrichard__: dunno, I don't own one of those15:30
Sergeant_PonyI can't even adjust the volume anymore... it's either all the way up or muted15:30
penguin42Sergeant_Pony: Same here15:31
Sergeant_Ponyok... in sound setup I have only 2 choices 1 for playback and 1 for capture15:31
richard__All I know is that 7.10 works great with my wifi card and 8.04 recognizes it but will not connect me up to the internet.15:31
penguin42The old model=auto trick which fixed stuff on gutsy for me doesn't work here15:31
richard__Atheros (is the chipset the card uses. . . )15:32
hmullerrichard__: what kind of messages are you getting in /var/log/syslog when attempting to connect?  That might provide a clue ...15:33
richard__I'll have to get my laptop out and see. . . can't say for sure now. . . thanks for the tip.15:34
Sergeant_Ponypenguin42: did you figure out pulseaudio or are you using oss?15:35
richard__Getting the laptop out now and getting it to boot up. ...15:35
penguin42Sergeant_Pony: I'm not sure! pulseaudio seems to be running and I think esd stuff is going via it, I can't get mplayer to play stuff or amarok15:36
penguin42Sergeant_Pony: mplayer seems to have a pulseaudio output module, xine doesn't seem to15:37
Sergeant_Ponypenguin42: I have pulseaudio running somewhat... I can play audio cd's so I have it working somewhat... oss I don't like...15:37
Sergeant_Ponypenguin42: on pulseaudio sound meter nothing moves when sound is playing.. don't figure15:38
penguin42Sergeant_Pony: It looks like another attempt to change the whole way that sound works; that so far is just as bad as the old mess15:38
Sergeant_Ponylol15:38
richard__Looking at syslog it appears that eth0 is the only device that the software has been trying to access. My ath0  is nowhere  to be seen. I've got a wireless system and don't use eth0.15:42
richard__weird15:43
|DuReX|I want to debug hal, but I can't save 'hald --verbose=yes' to a file15:43
|DuReX|any id's ?15:43
shadowhywindhay all I did a kernel update today, but I told it not to update grub. Now i want to update grub to reflect the new kernel and can't figure out how, any ideas?15:44
|DuReX|the output of that command .. :p15:44
|DuReX|shadowhywind: update-grub15:44
shadowhywindI tried that, and it didn't update it15:44
hmullerrichard__: I'll bet if you run ipconfig in a console, that it has probably autoconfigured your wireless interface as eth0, true?15:44
shadowhywindupdate-grub says Found kernel: /boot/vmlinuz-2.6.24-15-generic, But it isn't found in the menu.lst15:45
richard__hold on . . .let me see. . ..15:45
fromportshadow: does it give a warning or an error after the "found kernel"15:45
eagles0513875i have a question my hard ware is rather new and im having a tough time installing kubuntu would the next kernel release have the drivers for my hardware15:45
Sergeant_Ponypenguin42: really strange... if I pull up volume control preferences I only get realtek alc861 (oss mixer) no pulseaudio..15:46
shadowhywindnope, it says updating the menu.lst.. Updating the default booting kernel. Done15:46
hmullereagles0513875: What hardware devices is the installation choking on?15:46
richard__Looks like your right15:46
eagles0513875just bout everything15:46
eagles0513875if i dont have vista it wont even install for instance15:46
eagles0513875on normal hardy15:47
richard__what do I do to fix this?15:47
fromportgrep 2.6.24-15 /boot/grub/menu.lst   doesnt show up ?15:47
eagles0513875installation cd it hangs on formatting my partitions cuz im guessing its looking for my drivers15:47
b4l74z4rcan i use the wine repositories for ubuntu gutsy gibbon in hardy heron?15:47
penguin42Sergeant_Pony: I didn't think the pulseaudio ones appeared for me last week15:47
eagles05138752ndly if i use the alternate it installs but it hangs on loading hardware devices cuz its looking for my vista partition for drivers15:47
eagles0513875would the next kernel release fix those problems for me15:48
hmullerrichard__: first, preface all your comments to me specifically, it helps to catch your comments when the screen starts flying, just start typing "hmu" and then hit the tab key, then type whatever...15:48
Sergeant_Ponypenguin42 I like ubuntu and really would like to get this working... I need my sound ;)15:48
marsjeHi. I want to rip CDs to mp3 with Sound Juicer in Hardy. Do I need to install any extra packages for this? Sound Juicer doesn't show the gstreamer MP3 profile...15:48
penguin42Sergeant_Pony: Yeh!15:48
richard__hmuller: ok. . .follow you15:48
shadowhywindok i solved my grub issues, hehe15:49
eagles0513875this computer is an hp tablet tx1308nr with turion x2 2gb ram 160gb hdd winblows vista (yuck)15:49
penguin42Sergeant_Pony: It always seems to take a few weeks to get audio to work on releases which sucks - it's not like we're using unusual hardware15:49
hmullerrichard__: great, now I can catch your comments, now back to syslog ...15:49
eagles0513875reason i cant use gutsy is due to a pnp bios bug15:49
hmullerrichard__: what are they saying about the connection when you attempt to connect?15:49
Sergeant_Ponytrue... I'm running it on a toshiba satellite laptop15:50
richard__hum getting back into syslog15:50
pwuertzhi! I drew a picture with openoffice-draw... and might have accidentally discovered a bug in gnome's svg rendering library... when opening the svg, the application seems to eat all of the available memory... you then have to kill the application 'somehow'15:51
pwuertzi did this by switching to a console.. but a terminal opened before trying to open the svg might work as well15:51
pwuertzwould someone like to confirm this bug by opening this svg?15:51
pwuertzhttp://www.students.uni-mainz.de/pwuertz/it/dangerous-svg.tar.bz215:51
fromportshadow: how ?15:51
pwuertzI'm using ubuntu+1.. updated today15:52
richard__hmuller: it appears that eth0 link is down, link not ready, deactivating device eth0. . .15:52
penguin42richard__: Just try ifdown eth0 and then ifup eth015:53
penguin42richard__: hardy isn't bringing ether interfaces back up for me after resume15:53
protonchrisSergeant_Pony: Is this the problem you are seeing?  https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/gnome-media/+bug/19984715:53
richard__hmuller: Ok I'll try ifdown eth0 and ifup eth0 in console. . .15:54
hmullerpenguin42: I'm not sure his is a resume issue, I'm wondering if it is a router or authorization problem15:54
Sergeant_Ponyprotonchris: 1 sec let me look15:54
penguin42protocol1: Hmm that seems to be what I'm seeing15:55
penguin42huhh?15:55
penguin42protonchris: Hmm that seems to be what I'm seeing15:55
hmullerrichard__: take a look afterwards and see what /var/log/syslog reports15:55
orvokki!info quodlibet15:55
ubotuquodlibet (source: quodlibet): audio library manager and player for GTK+. In component universe, is optional. Version 1.0-2 (hardy), package size 15 kB, installed size 132 kB15:55
Sergeant_Ponyprotonchris: yup, that's it15:56
penguin42protonchris: However I think the default choice of mixer is only one of the two problems, the other is why the OSS Mixer doesn't work15:56
richard__hmuller: I get ifdown is not configured and ifup eth0 ignoring unknown interface15:56
protonchrisSergeant_Pony and penguin42:  It might be worth commenting on that bug.15:57
penguin42protonchris: Just did15:58
richard__hmuller: looks like i'm getting much of the same stuff with eth0. .. I dunno . . .maybe I should just wait til 8.04 becomes final and go back to 7.10. . . .15:58
hmullerrichard__: I'm out of ideas, you might want to google using the following search parameters: <wireless device> site:ubuntu.com15:58
Trewaspwuertz: that opens as empty page in oodraw, nautilus shows the thumbnail ok though15:59
richard__hmuller: thanks for your help. . .7.10 worked great with my card. I'll reinstall that and when 8.04 becomes final in 16 days hopefully it will have the fixes in it for my wireless. . . .15:59
Sergeant_Ponyprotonchris: good idea, I think I will...16:01
pwuertzTrewas: right... I got a thumbnail too... but did you try to open it?16:03
Sergeant_Ponybrb16:04
Trewaspwuertz: actually oodraw does not seem to recognize it as a format it can open16:05
SilverDawnwhy does ubuntu install powernowd when its only for amd's16:06
pwuertzTrewas: no, I meant opening it by double-clicking on it16:06
penguin42Wahoo! realplayer working16:06
pwuertzTrewas: this should start up gthumb or eog16:06
protonchrisSilverDawn: because it isn't just for AMD anymore16:07
derspanksterpenguin42: got it working then?16:07
penguin42derspankster: There is a thing called 'padsp' that is a preload library for alsa/oss prgrams16:07
Trewaspwuertz: ah, double-click opens eog which says coult not load image16:07
penguin42derspankster: Rather like alsa-oss was; it's a grim grim grim hack but it works for realplayer16:07
elliotjhu1Can someone give me an example of how to use pasuspender? PulseAudio makes audacity unuseable without it16:08
eoin09hey could i get some advice on an issue that has totally screwed up ubuntu and prevented me doing anything?16:08
eoin09i advise no one flips their screen 180 degrees16:08
elliotjhu1eoin09: why? what actually happened?16:09
derspanksterpenguin42: wonder why I was OK and you had to hack?16:09
eoin09well i went into display options16:09
eoin09and flipped it16:09
eoin09which it did successfully but then everything except the cursor froze up16:09
elliotjhu1ah16:09
penguin42derspankster: Not sure; what are you using that is working?16:09
eoin09now whenever i login it flips and freezes up16:10
elliotjhu1teaches you not to flip it I suppose - I imagine you would fix it by changing your xorg.conf to stop it flipping16:10
eoin09yes i was hoping there might be a solution16:10
derspanksterpenguin42: alsa, pulse, all seem to work OK16:10
penguin42derspankster: With what clients?16:10
eoin09elliotjhul: is there something i can do by booting in recovery? (i am a bit of a novice)16:11
elliotjhu1ctrl+alt+F1 login then sudo nano (wherever xorg.conf is kept - I can never remember) and search for rotation16:11
derspanksteraudacious, audacity, realplayer, mplayer. etc.16:11
Sergeant_Ponyprotonchris: we're making progress...16:12
butterfreegood day all... could somebody pretty please suggest a good alarm clock for gnome...16:12
pwuertzTrewas: ok.. thats better than using all my memory and making the desktop unresponsive :/16:12
eoin09so i hit ctrl alt F1 at login?16:12
penguin42derspankster: what do you see in lsmod|grep snd16:12
elliotjhu1yeah16:12
protonchrisSergeant_Pony: nice16:12
eoin09great thanks, i'll try that now16:12
elliotjhu1it may or may not actually work, if it doesn't come back and ask again16:12
eoin09ok thanks for your help, will do16:12
etcisif I use the evdev driver for my MS wireless laser mouse 5000 the whole xorg server crashes when i push a certain button16:12
Sergeant_Ponyprotonchris: the only thing I don't get is why only a master control and that's it?16:13
etcisi get a "bad valuators" error message16:13
derspanksterpenguin42: http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/62238/16:16
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protonchrisSergeant_Pony: not sure16:16
emmaIs it true that Hardy will come with a built in VM ?16:18
penguin42derspankster: http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/62240/16:19
penguin42derspankster: All the high level stuff seems to be there but you are using the i810 driver and I've got hda16:20
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eoin09elliot?16:23
eoin09can anyone help me with getting ubuntu to forget the settings i configured, but before i log in? its freezing ever since i flipped the display 180 degrees (dont do this) the moment i login16:25
protonchriseoin09: was there anything in your xorg.conf16:25
fromporteoin: the login screenis "normal" or also 180degrees turned ?16:26
eoin09the login sceen is normal thankfuly16:26
fromportso it has to do with you user settings, not with the "system wide"16:27
insomninjaHas anyone got their wacom working as something else than a mouse?16:27
fromportprobably some setting in the .gnome2 subdir inside your homedirectory16:27
protonchrisfromport: ah.  good point.16:28
karmelekanybody met the problem with canon cameras with memory cards - i can acces my card via canon s3 is16:28
karmelek*cant16:28
eoin09never done anything with xorg protonchris, i am just an average user not normally doing anything in programming16:28
eoin09yes it's a user issue, can i get it to forget my setting?16:28
fromporteoin: did you customize your X environmnt somehow ?16:29
protonchrislike fromport said the settings are stored in the .gnome2 directory16:30
eoin09i made the deskbars translucent, changed what was on them16:31
eoin09but nothing more16:31
protonchriseoin09: well I suspect that there is some sort flip setting in your .gnome216:31
eoin09apart from a few clever graphical settings such as cube, it is how it was by default16:32
eoin09is there a way i can get into that and fix it?16:32
eoin09even if i had to return all settings at boot to default, at least i would be able to login and then rebuild my display from the ground up. is there a way to "reset" without wiping and reinstalling the beta?16:36
protonchriseoin09: well, what I would try is:  login, wait for freeze, hit ctl-alt-1 and login at the console, the use this command to move your setting directory 'mv .gnome2 .gnome2_backup'16:38
Gnineopening 34 tabs/webpages at once didnt crash FF3b416:39
eoin09protonchris: thanks, what will happen/what do i do then?16:40
protonchriseoin09: after that reboot your machine and try to login.16:42
protonchriseoin09: this will tell us if the rotating is controlled by a gnome config option.16:42
eoin09ok thanks for all your help, assume all is well if i dont pop up again16:43
Gnineyou will16:43
eoin09lol well here is the bug report if anyone is interested16:43
eoin09https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/21230816:43
ubotuLaunchpad bug 212308 in ubuntu "Freeze after flipping display 180deg (8.04b)" [Undecided,New]16:43
eoin09ciao16:44
AshexCompiz keeps killing my remote session16:45
Ashexwhat's the easiest way to make is stop starting when I login?16:45
pranaSometimes when I'm on battery power, I notice the disk light on my laptop starts to blink about once per second. any hints on figuring out why?16:46
* penguin42 thinks I might actually have all my sound stuff working16:48
* penguin42 wonders how you stop Firefox 3 jumping to the current workspace when you do an 'openlink' in a terminal16:49
chloetwopressing mouse button kill X? wow lmfao16:51
derspanksterpenguin42: congrats on the sound16:53
Sergeant_Ponyprotonchris?16:54
chloetwomouses should be forbidden for ubuntu server edition16:54
ihasnchloetwo, why?16:54
chloetwoX too, and wireless network too16:55
protonchrisSergeant_Pony: yes?16:55
penguin42derspankster: There appear to be a few tricks; padsp is the king - it's a LD_PRELOAD hack (like alsa_oss), most things that use ESD seem to work16:55
orvokkichloetwo: X libs not though.16:55
orvokkichloetwo: Perfectly acceptable to remote X on a server.16:56
protonchrispenguin42: let me know if you figure out how to stop the firefox jumping.16:56
quentusrexIs there a way to save my gnome session??? I want to reboot, but when I log in I want to to open all the windows, and stuff to the way I had it....16:56
Sergeant_Ponyprotonchris: I have everything set for Pulseaudio and I have no sound except when I login16:56
Sergeant_Ponyprotonchris: unless I don't have pulseaudio setup correctly16:56
penguin42quentusrex: Yeh, go to the system menu, preferences, then sessions, there is an option to save current session16:56
ihasnsergeant_pony, check your ouput. alsa could be fing up or something16:57
Sergeant_Ponyihasn where?16:57
ihasnsystem, prefences, sound16:58
Sergeant_Ponythe volume meter moves for pulseaudio just no sound16:58
eoin09protonchris: " '.gnome2' no such file or directory"16:58
protonchriseoin09: really.  Ok well that isn't it then.16:58
eoin09lol i figured16:58
Sergeant_Ponyihasn: everything is set for pulse audio16:59
eoin09i should have another machine running soon16:59
eoin09so i can be on irc16:59
eoin09and ubuntu16:59
ihasntry rebooting?16:59
Sergeant_PonyI did 5x16:59
ihasni dunno16:59
Sergeant_Ponyihasn all it has for chouces is OSS (realtek) or pulseaudio server17:00
eoin09right now i am just on thw windows partition of this ubuntu machine so i cant do both at the same time17:00
ihasndid your sound work before you tried messing with pulseaudio17:00
protonchriseoin09: next I would probably look in the /etc/X11/xorg.conf file17:01
Sergeant_Ponyihasn it works if I change it to ALC861 analog17:01
ihasnyou try alsa?17:01
protonchrisSergeant_Pony: sorry.  I am out of ideas.17:01
Sergeant_PonyI was told that pulseaudio takes the place of alsa17:01
Sergeant_Ponythanks protonchris17:02
ihasnnot to my knowledge17:02
eoin09grr i hope this gets fixed, i was hoping to 'convert' someone tomorrow17:02
pranahm. i appear to have confused my /etc/fstab's swap UUID... how are the mappings in /dev/disk/by-uuid generated?17:02
Sergeant_Ponyihasn: it has to be a config issue... maybe it doesn't like the sound card setup itself?17:03
protonchriseoin09: at the login screen, click the session button and select failsafe gnome, then login.  Have you tried that?17:03
ihasnis it a laptop your messing with?>17:04
Sergeant_Ponyihasn: yup, toshiba satellite17:04
penguin42Sergeant_Pony: Toshiba Equium here17:05
ihasnyah sergeant, i have a satellite too and the sound cards are always finiky with ubuntu17:05
ihasni had to upgrade to 8.04 to get the sound to work17:05
penguin42ihasn: You might be the first person who upgraded to 8.04 and got sound better :-)17:06
Sergeant_Ponyihasn:  0 snd_hda_intel17:06
ihasnyah penguin i was surprized17:07
ihasnmy sound seemed to work when i switched to the connexent adapter17:07
eoin09protonchris: haven't tried that yet17:07
eoin09protonchris:likely to work?17:07
protonchriseoin09: worth a shot.17:08
eoin09ok will do, thanks again17:08
ihasnhonestly i got lucky thats what it is..every time ubuntu wants to f with the sound im like hell no17:08
Sergeant_Pony  Subdevices: 1/117:09
Sergeant_Pony  Subdevice #0: subdevice #017:09
Sergeant_Ponyihasn: any ideas?17:12
ihasnyou got me i peed myself when i got the sound working...it was luck17:13
Sergeant_Ponyfigures ;)17:13
cppmonkeyI am getting an error when checking for updates, the SIG is invalid17:13
ihasncppmonkey restart17:14
cppmonkeyiahsn Ok ill try that17:15
cppmonkey*ihasn17:15
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=== Duracell is now known as cppmonkey
eoin09hey protonchris17:17
protonchriseoin09: yeah17:17
eoin09i'm in17:17
protonchriseoin09: great.  I don't know why I didn't think of that sooner :)17:18
eoin09now what do i do to access the default way?17:18
fromporteon: congrats17:18
eoin09everything looks the same here except for having lost all my clever appearance settings17:18
protonchriseoin09: well, we need to figure out where that rotation is set17:18
protonchriseoin09: let me look17:19
eoin09thanks17:19
eoin09what's this cppmonkey that's popped up as an irc tab?17:22
Sergeant_Ponyis there a helpfile or doc for pulse audio?17:22
ImmersionHello, I was wondering if anyone would be kind enough to help me with setting up my Macbook's two finger tap to right click?17:22
cppmonkeyeoin09 I was just messing around to see if u could tell what OS someone was using17:22
eoin09ah it is duracell17:22
Gnine!pulseaudio17:23
ubotuPulseAudio is a sound server intended as a drop-in replacement for !ESD - See https://wiki.ubuntu.com/PulseAudio for information and installation instructions17:23
Sergeant_Ponythanks17:23
eoin09successful?17:23
Ashexhow do I disable compiz from running on startup remotely?17:24
cppmonkeyeoin09, I dont know enough about IRC, its been years since Ive used it and then i use to use mIRC. and how come you said ah it is duracell?17:25
eoin09haha Immersion, well i have to say well done for getting to the point where thats your biggest concern. i'm currently having to put a fresh install of OS:X on mine :)17:25
Jabroni5what exactly is #ubuntu+1 relative to #ubuntu?17:25
AshexJabroni5: #ubuntu+1 is about the next version of ubuntu17:25
Jabroni5k, ty17:25
cppmonkeysupport for 8.04 rather than 7.1017:26
chloetwonext-gen ubuntu? :/17:26
Immersioneoin09, Really? Why so? I just used bootcamp and refit, worked perfectly. :D17:26
Jabroni5hah, haven't even reached for 8, nvm 8.04 :p17:26
eoin09cpp: because i was wondering what this cpp that had popped up, then i saw a name update saying duracell was now cppmonkey17:26
chloetwo8 is year, and 4 is month17:26
eoin09immersion: PPC lol17:26
Gnine!topic | Jabroni517:26
ubotuJabroni5: Please read the channel topic whenever you enter, as it contains important information. To view it at any time after joining, simply type /topic17:26
Jabroni5bootcamp ubutu vs. parallels bootcamp?17:26
Jabroni5crud17:27
Immersioneoin09, Or you're on them. :) Haha.17:27
Jabroni5i mean ...."vs. parallels ubutu"17:27
ImmersionBootcamp is better!17:27
eoin09immersion: yes i tried to put 6.06 on17:27
ImmersionParallels is a resource hog. :-/ Messed up your default apps.17:27
cppmonkeyeoin09 yea it was an alias my ex gave me....17:27
chloetwoi was told that linux going to take over world, how soon i will be able to play gears of wars for PC in linux? like that game17:28
chloetwothx17:28
eoin09immersion: managed to get it working on attempt two, but then i couldnt get it to boot into ubuntu, only osx, and osx went buggy all of a sudden17:28
ImmersionAre you maybe Partitioning it wrong?17:28
Jabroni5i'm running mac pro "woodcrest" quad-core (late '06) w/ 6gb, and even setting Parallels as resource hog, OSX seems not to stutter using my regular slew of basic apps....17:28
cppmonkeyIs it possible to remote into an ubuntu machine without it being login?17:28
eoin09immersion: wouldnt recognise my external drive properly and it wouldnt come out of sleep sometimes17:28
ImmersionI ENVY you, Jabroni5.17:29
eoin09immersion: that's likely yes, i am a bit of a novice17:29
Jabroni5:p17:29
Jabroni5it's a sweet system, and yes i spent $2,499 + $699 for 20"17:29
Jabroni5...17:29
ImmersionEoin09, This is my 2nd ever boot into linux, I am too.17:29
Jabroni520" cinema, too17:29
Jabroni5:(17:29
Immersionjabroni5 Very awesome :) I'm on the Jan08 Macbooks.17:29
eoin09immersion: using the wizard in the installer really messed things up so on attempt two i used apple's disk utility17:29
cppmonkeyjabroni5 24" Dell...17:30
Gninea $1000 barebone kit is more powerful than that17:30
eoin09immersion: which worked but then, as i said, there were still issues. so i give up17:30
Immersioneoin09 YEs, I heard the ubuntu one doesn't work with a OSX already installed.17:30
Jabroni5aww, jealous of U then cpp :p17:30
cppmonkeyJabroni5 =P17:30
eoin09someone mention monitors? i just got a new 20" for £140, but it has to go back. it has a trigger happy on/off setting17:31
Jabroni5this is true Gnine, i wasn't bragging initially, just setting a benchmark17:31
ImmersionTry to find a 3rd party app to make yourself a fat32 partition.17:31
cppmonkeyJabroni5 shame I dont have a beast of a PC to go with it...17:31
eoin09rather than pressing on/off, i just have to touch the monitor anywhere! which is excellent.17:31
Jabroni5:p17:31
ImmersionHaha eoin0917:31
tgelterany reason not to install the libc6 update this time around?17:31
ImmersionCould someone help me set up my rightclick? :-/17:32
eoin09yeah... bumping into the desk hard enough does the trick too17:32
cppmonkeyeoin09, I got a 22" fujitsu from PC World of all places for £14017:32
eoin09no way17:32
eoin09thats amazing17:32
eoin09i never even look at them17:32
ImmersionHaha.17:32
eoin09this one is acer from amazon17:32
eoin09not sure to replave or refund17:33
ImmersionI've decided my next computer will be a self built desktop beast. :)17:33
eoin09anyone reccommend a monitor for £150 or less?17:33
Jabroni5!topic17:33
ubotuPlease read the channel topic whenever you enter, as it contains important information. To view it at any time after joining, simply type /topic17:33
Immersion22" fujitsu from PC World?17:33
Immersion:)17:34
* Gnine finally got cue to -15-generic kernel upgrade17:34
eoin09lol thats £150 now17:34
ImmersionYay.17:34
eoin09i wonder though do i want a screen that big17:34
ImmersionYou said 150 or less!17:35
Jabroni5oh, did you get that "right-click" help Immersion?17:35
Jabroni5if you're in Parallels, i have u covere17:35
Jabroni5*d17:35
Immersionjabroni5, No. :(17:35
Jabroni5k17:35
ImmersionI'm in a full Ubuntu boot.17:35
Jabroni5ay17:35
eoin09and it sounds pathetic, but the acer looks way cooler :)17:35
ImmersionNeed to setup the macbooks two finger tap thing, so I can rightclick.17:35
Jabroni5acer has been selling quality discount for eons tho17:35
Jabroni5<-- approves of acer :)17:36
ImmersionThink you can help, Jabroni5?17:36
eoin09wow pc world have the 22 inch acer for 25017:36
Jabroni5with full ubuntu right click problem?17:37
ImmersionYes.17:37
Gninerumor is acer bought gateway. and gateway had style17:37
Jabroni5gosh, i wouldn't count on it --- i just haven't done it, so i'm not a good candidate -- thanks for asking tho :p17:37
eoin09nooooo17:37
eoin09not gateway17:37
eoin09i have an issue there17:37
ImmersionWell it's mainly my question of, how to open the things I need to edit.17:37
Sergeant_Ponyis asound.conf needed?17:37
eoin09they never work for more than 5 minutes in my presence17:38
Jabroni5yes, i couldn't "unmount volume" without right-click earlier17:38
Jabroni5which makes failed server connections a real hassle17:38
eoin09protonchris: any progress? :)17:38
ImmersionJabroni, do you know how I'd do this, maybe? https://help.ubuntu.com/community/MacBook#head-416529dc6edd6f93a12df4f0b4c71144441dcbce17:38
Jabroni5with right-click on Parallels? no problem -- just adjust keyboard mapping -- it was a dumb mistake on my part, sry17:39
ImmersionAh ok. :-/17:39
Jabroni5:/17:39
dooglusother than ubuntu-desktop and its dependencies, what does the ubuntu installer install?  can I find a list somewhere?17:40
dooglusalternatively:  when I upgraded to hardy, the update-manager crashed halfway through, and didn't remove obsolete packages - how can I remove them now?17:40
Jabroni5ouch17:40
Jabroni5yes, get package list17:41
dooglusJabroni5: taking to me?17:41
Jabroni5<-- doesn't have list *sniff*17:41
ImmersionAny awesome apps that someone could reccomend to me?17:41
Gnine!apt17:41
ubotuAPT is the Advanced Package Tool, which together with dpkg forms the basic Ubuntu package management toolkit. Short apt-get manual: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/AptGetHowto - Also see !Synaptic (Gnome) or !Adept (KDE)17:41
dooglusImmersion: what for?17:42
Jabroni5to check for list of packages to recover for hardy mid-install crash17:42
eoin09ooh apps, i am looking for a dvd ripper so i can put my dvds on my ipod17:42
Immersiondooglus, really, anything. I'm new to Ubtuntu (and Linux) and want to find some neat stuff to play with.17:43
Gnine!preference17:43
ubotuUsually, there is no single "best" application to perform a given task. It's up to you to choose, depending on your preferences, features you require, and other factors. Do NOT take polls in the channel. If you insist on getting people's opinions, ask BestBot in #ubuntu-bots.17:43
dooglusImmersion: try "synfigstudio" - it's a 2D animation package17:43
ImmersionOk17:43
ImmersionSo, sudo apt-get install synfigstudio?17:44
eoin09fair enough Gnine, but is there something that does what I am looking to do?17:44
dooglusImmersion: yes.  you might need to enable the 'universe' repository first, if you didn't already17:44
ImmersionOk17:44
Gnineuse synaptics, eoin0917:44
Gnineto search .. that is17:45
Jabroni5any suggestions for getting the best video performance possible out of ubuntu 7.117:45
ImmersionThanks, dooglus.17:45
Jabroni5max to 64mb VRAM?17:45
ImmersionRun in Bootcamp?17:45
Jabroni5yeh, surely u're right17:45
ImmersionJabroni, run in Bootcamp with your full card?17:45
Jabroni5but Paraellels just enabled openGL with latest release17:45
eoin09Gnine: thanks i presume thats a search tool i can download using add/remove?17:45
ImmersionHaha. :-P17:46
Gnine!synaptic17:46
ubotusynaptic is Ubuntu's Graphical Package Manager. For a good howto see https://help.ubuntu.com/community/SynapticHowto17:46
Jabroni5yah, i may do so -- i JUST bought parallels cus of improved graphics performance tho17:46
dooglusImmersion: I'm biased - that's the package I work on mostly :)17:46
Jabroni5ty uboto help17:46
ImmersionDooglus, I'll try it! :)17:46
Jabroni5ty neway doog17:46
ImmersionCan anyone show me through the steps on how I'd do this? https://help.ubuntu.com/community/MacBook#head-416529dc6edd6f93a12df4f0b4c71144441dcbce  I'm a Linux newb. :-/17:47
omarGuys how can I change my IP address?17:48
akkImmersion: You basically need to be talked through how to edit that file, I guess?17:48
Immersionakk, Yes. Basically.17:49
hewhocutsdownHave a question regarding the Drobo device from Data Robotics. It's a RAID device of sorts that connects via USB and acts as a single hard drive.17:49
Immersionakk, This is my 2nd ever boot into Linux, so I don't really know how I's edit the file... I tried going into the control panel.17:49
hewhocutsdownHave posed the question in the Ubuntu Forums already, but there is nothing there applicable to my situation, no response to my thread17:49
hewhocutsdownThe device loads automatically, mounts to /media/Jrobo under gutsy. On upgrade to Hardy Heron using the upgrade manager, the device no longer loads or mounts17:49
hewhocutsdownMy other USB hard drive (a mere 80GB, powered by USB) loads up fine, shows as an 80GB volume.17:50
eoin09new minor issue if anyone can help- when i crashed before i was adding Konqueror, when i tried adding again i got this- E: dpkg was interrupted, you must manually run 'dpkg --configure -a' to correct the problem.17:50
eoin09E: _cache->open() failed, please report.17:50
omarGuys how can I change my IP address?17:50
eoin09what do i do now?17:50
ImmersionNo idea, Eoin09. Maybe you should manually run it?17:50
hewhocutsdowni have the outputs to dmesg and lsusb if that is of any use17:51
akkImmersion: hmm, actually I don't use the gnome desktop, but I could talk you through it using a little commandline stuff, if you don't mind that17:51
ImmersionSure, I'm not afraid of command line. :)17:51
eoin09how do i manually run it?17:51
akkImmersion: Okay, start by getting a terminal to type in17:51
eoin09i cant run synaptics as a result now17:51
hewhocutsdownnot really sure how to interpret the results though17:51
ImmersionDone.17:51
IolausHey all, I'm attempting to install Ubuntu 8.04 and the installation hangs (or at least I stop getting any display) unless I use safe graphics mode.  My video is Intel 965.  Does anyone have a suggestion or at least a way to show the commands being executed during install (instead of the progress graphic) to see if I can maybe catch the problem?17:52
Jabroni5if you can get terminal to show during install, you can override17:52
akkImmersion: First let's make a backup of the file, in case anything goes wrong17:52
IolausJabroni5: how do I get the terminal to show during install?17:53
akkImmersion: You can do that with: sudo cp /etc/X11/xorg.conf /etc/X11/xorg.conf.sav17:53
ImmersionAkk, should we do this over a private thing?17:53
Jabroni5...looking for post...17:53
IolausJabroni5: Thanks :)17:53
akkImmersion: yeah, maybe best, though I was sorta hoping someone would notice this and say "Oh, there's a way to do it in gnome ..." :)17:53
ImmersionI got this: cp: cannot stat '/etc/x11/xorg.conf': No such file or Directory.17:54
akkImmersion: Capitals are important ... it's X11, not x1117:54
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ImmersionOh, didn't know that.17:55
orvokki*cough*17:55
orvokkibicyclist: Yays, all my Hardy problems have been solved. ^^17:56
bicyclistGreat, what was the reason ?17:56
Jabroni5Iolaus: This may not be it, but perhaps it'll help you...17:56
Jabroni5http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=677403&highlight=delete+server+connect17:56
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orvokkibicyclist: I had two proprietary nvidia drivers installed, somehow.17:56
Immersionakk, I am in pm with you.17:57
Iolausthanks Jabroni5, I'll take a look17:57
eoin09i am in terminal, i am the only user on this machine and i just got " requested operation requires superuser privilege". how do i grant myself that?17:57
orvokkiManaged to get my system cleaned up after the next kernel upgrade.17:57
Immersionsudo?17:57
bicyclistI see. Good to hear that you now can continue with betatesting !17:57
Jabroni5it helped me work through a GUI problem installing 7.10 from scratch17:57
orvokkibicyclist: Or rather, two proprietary kernel modules. 72.* or whatever and 169.12. It refused to start X because I had a conflict between nvidia-glx-new and the kernel module.17:58
bicyclistWell i had my nvidia-glx-new removed due to problems with the shadow colors17:58
orvokkiAhm.17:58
Jabroni5it was the "sudo killall gdm" command i thought might help, Iolaus...gl17:59
Sergeant_Ponyis asound.conf required in 8.04?18:00
ImmersionOh, man, I think akk went afk.18:00
IolausJabroni5: I've got the terminal showing now so hopefully I'll get some more info :)18:01
akkImmersion: I'm still here, but you haven't said whether you've done the cp or are ready for another step18:01
ImmersionI told you in the PM.18:01
akkImmersion: I haven't gotten any msgs from you18:01
akkyou sure it was me you PMed?18:02
ImmersionYou PM'd me and I responded.18:02
Jabroni5Iolaus: GL!18:02
Immersionakk, Anyways, it worked.18:02
ImmersionAs far as I can tell.18:02
akkImmersion: your pm doesn't seem to have made it here18:02
ImmersionOdd.18:03
akkImmersion: Anyway, we need to figure out what editor you have installed; so try this: sudo gedit /etc/X11/xorg.conf18:03
akk(maybe someone here knows what gui text editor is installed by default?)18:03
ImmersionIt is open.18:04
ImmersionSynaptic?18:04
Jabroni5gedit 2.20.318:04
* orvokki guesses for gedit18:04
Jabroni5w/ ubutu 7.118:04
ImmersionGedit opened.18:04
orvokki!info gedit18:04
ubotugedit (source: gedit): official text editor of the GNOME desktop environment. In component main, is optional. Version 2.22.0-0ubuntu1 (hardy), package size 717 kB, installed size 2680 kB18:04
akkImmersion: Okay, scroll down and look for Section "InputDevice"18:05
Jabroni5mine is from a 7.04 upgrade to 7.1018:05
ImmersionThere are many "Section "Inputdevices"" for my keyboard etc.18:05
akkImmersion: There will probably be several ... look for one for the mouse, it'll probably say something like "Configured Mouse"18:05
ImmersionAkk, there is one called Section "InputDevice"18:05
ImmersionIdentifier"Synaptics Touchpad"18:05
AdysAnyone else having problems with menus since last update?18:06
akkoh, you already have a touchpad section! cool18:06
AdysAll my menus are transparent in gnome now18:06
ImmersionApparently :D18:06
Adys(cant see them but can still guessclick)18:06
akkImmersion: Okay, and what you're trying to do is get 2-finger taps to work like a right click?18:06
ImmersionSo I put my second finger on and click and it is a right click.18:07
ImmersionAnd, if possible do that whole 2 fingers on makes it scroll18:07
akkImmersion: okay, the example in the page you gave has a section on "Multi-finger taps" -- you probably want the first two lines of it18:07
bhsxis there anything i need to do to get full use out of a core2 duo?18:07
ImmersionOh, there is an example thing.18:07
ImmersionThat does it18:07
akkImmersion: (I guess the 3rd line is for if you want 3-finger taps to be middle button)18:08
ImmersionShould I just try that, akk?18:08
Jabroni5i'd ask same question bhsx18:08
bhsxor is there support for core2 by default?18:08
akkImmersion: Yes, put in the first two lines ... or all three if you want18:08
Jabroni5k18:08
akkImmersion: and there's an example there for 2-finger scrolling, so you might want to put that in too18:08
ImmersionYa.18:09
ImmersionI put it in18:09
bhsxJabroni5: did you get an answer?18:09
akkImmersion: then just save and exit (probably in the File menu somewhere)18:09
tyler_danyone network vpn savy?18:09
Jabroni5nopers bhsx, i'm just hovering18:09
akkImmersion: and you'll have to restart X (log out and log back in should do it) to see the change18:09
tyler_dunknown error connecting to a pptp vpn?18:10
ImmersionOk, akk. I'll be back/18:10
Jabroni5....i don't use a VPN, but surely would given the circumstance...18:10
rpedrois the latest kernel bugged? I get an error about loading HAL18:11
Sergeant_Ponydoes anyone know if asound.conf is needed or required for hardy?18:12
youngmusicorghey. I just tried to start apache, and found out another process is already using that port. lsof -i :80 tells me it's called 'iroffero'. I've never heard of that though. What is this?18:14
bhsxJabroni5: i did a uname -a and it looks like it's an SMP kernel by default18:15
bhsxso i think we're fine18:15
bhsxuname -a18:15
bhsxLinux bhsx-desktop 2.6.24-15-generic #1 SMP Fri Apr 4 03:48:31 UTC 2008 i686 GNU/Linux18:15
bhsxand that's on a box with 1 core :)18:16
bhsxso dual core should be using both just fine18:16
hewhocutsdowntry again....could anyone help me with a question regarding external USB storage devices? I have two, both worked under gutsy, only one works under hardy heron18:16
Jabroni5ty bhsx18:16
bhsxyw18:16
bhsxhewhocutsdown: what is it that's not working?18:16
ImmersionHey, akk.18:16
syke_yea?18:16
ImmersionNow when I put two fingers on it changes screens. :-/18:17
Jabroni5lol18:17
akkImmersion: oy! oh, well18:17
ImmersionIt scrolls though!18:17
ImmersionPerfectaly scrolls18:17
ImmersionJust can't right click18:17
akkImmersion: Now you know how to edit the file, so you can fiddle with different settings ... maybe you'll find one that works.18:18
Immersionaha ok18:18
Jabroni5Immersion, you're running Ubuntu on X11?18:18
akkImmersion: I've found the synaptics stuff a bit buggy here, but my vaio has an alps trackpad, not a synaptics18:18
hewhocutsdownI have a Data Robotics Drobo....it's kind of like Netgear's ReadyNAS, in that it's a RAID-like storage device that can store up to 4 drives18:18
hewhocutsdownit connects via a USB 2.0 cable to my PC18:19
ImmersionI'm running a GNOME Ubuntu.18:19
hewhocutsdownworked without a hitch, auto-mounted under gutsy18:19
hewhocutsdownI ran the gnome upgrade manager last night to test out heron18:19
Immersionakk, What was the file again? /etc/X11/conf.xorg?18:19
hewhocutsdowneverything works perfectly except for the Drobo18:19
hewhocutsdownmy smaller USB hard drive works fine, automounts, but it's only 80GB18:19
hewhocutsdownthe Drobo is ~2TB18:20
bazhangxorg.conf Immersion18:20
hewhocutsdownbrb, baby is waking up18:20
Immersionbazhang, thanks.18:20
bazhangno worries Immersion ;]18:20
akkImmersion: xorg.conf ... or just bookmark that page, https://help.ubuntu.com/community/MacBook#head-416529dc6edd6f93a12df4f0b4c71144441dcbce18:20
akkwow, that's quite an anchor, wonder what produced that?18:21
Jabroni5hah18:21
akkguess that's something ubuntu's wiki does18:22
RoAkSoAxhi all, does anyone of you have had a problem with multimedia keyboard?? for me, it ws working fine untill the number pad stopped working and now just the arrows of that pad work... any ideas?18:23
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Jabroni5my num pad doesn't work18:23
Jabroni5i'm a mac user, under parallels18:23
penguin42my numeric keypad works (if I turn on numlock) - Tosh laptop with an external keyboard18:24
ImmersionShit.18:24
Jabroni5nvm, numlock/clear worked great :p18:24
ImmersionI dragging my window up into the top menubar :-/18:24
hewhocutsdownsorry about that bhsx18:24
hewhocutsdowni'm back now18:24
RoAkSoAxmy numpad doesn´t work either, not even turning on numlock18:25
ImmersionAHAH!18:25
ImmersionIt works18:25
Immersion :D18:25
Jabroni5grats immers18:25
syke_er18:25
ImmersionHaha yess.18:26
Jabroni5so you have right click?18:26
syke_I just went to do an update and it wants to remove my firefox package18:26
syke_anyone else seeing this?18:26
ImmersionYes I do, Jabroni.18:26
Jabroni5nope, i updated a package thismorning, and no firefox removal syke18:26
syke_hrm18:26
syke_firefox-3.0?18:26
Jabroni52.0.0.13, actually18:27
syke_ah18:27
syke_maybe they're ditching the firefox-3.0 beta pkg?18:27
ImmersionI love how when I drag a window it flows.18:27
Jabroni5i'm only on Gutsy, sry18:27
syke_not sure why they would do that, though...18:27
syke_oh18:27
syke_I was talking about Hardy :)18:27
Jabroni5sry, i may have to change channels18:28
ImmersionI don't see a firefox package removal.18:28
JaymacAnyone with an intel 3945abg wireless controller able to connect wirelessly?18:28
JaymacI can't get on either secured or unsecured networks18:28
nemoNeat thing in Firefox 3 on my hardy machine18:28
Jabroni5ay capt. :)18:29
nemoFirefox appears to understand sftp:// URLs18:29
Jabroni5lucky18:29
Jabroni5:p18:29
nemoI think I'm going to make a website of all SFTP URIs :)18:29
Immersionakk, Thank you so much for your help.18:29
hewhocutsdownbhsx?18:29
nemohm. I suppose if the URI is relative, that would work implicitly.18:29
* nemo tests18:29
syke_weird18:29
syke_  firefox-3.0: Depends: xulrunner-1.9 (>= 1.9~b4~) but it is not going to beinstalled18:30
syke_E: Broken packages18:30
syke_that's what I get when I try to install firefox-3.0 now18:30
nemoyep18:30
nemoworks fine. cool.18:30
akkImmersion: you're welcome ... I hope you find a good combo of options18:30
Turskisyke_: install xulrunner then18:30
syke_it *is* installed18:31
syke_ii  xulrunner-1.9  1.9~b5+nobinon XUL + XPCOM application runner18:31
syke_removing xulrunner to reinstall wants to remove the universe18:31
ImmersionI'm trying to understand why when I have one finger down, and put another one down about 2 seconds later, it switches workspaces.18:31
derspanksterFF3 has been removed by update manager18:32
syke_derspankster: yes, but why?18:32
nemoI love the fact that bash tab-completes sftp/scp18:33
Gninecd trays are not cup holders18:33
nemo... once keychain is installed of courswe18:33
nemoof course18:33
* penguin42 finds it gently amusing that firefox is listed as a lightweight web browser18:33
derspankstersyke_: my guess is because it was so buggy and won't be final for Hardy release anyway18:34
syke_I am finding it to work quite well, actually18:35
penguin42people finding it buggy? It seems ok to me, I've had one rendering issue18:35
hewhocutsdowni'll come back later i think18:35
syke_I've been using it over a year on linux and windows, and these days it's as good as ff2 wrt stability18:35
syke_but anyways18:35
penguin42(although I don't like the more verbose history list - it just means you don't see as much)18:35
eoin09yes mine wont boot unless in safe mode penguin, if you refer to 8.04 lol18:35
syke_the issue appears to be a weird mismatch between xulrunner18:35
penguin42syke_: And the devs won't fix anything that breaks in ff218:35
derspanksterwell, I, for one have had issues, but I do like FF318:36
DaSkreechHello18:36
penguin42hi18:36
ImmersionSo how would i go about mapping my keyboard?18:36
DaSkreechis Firefox b5 broken?18:36
penguin42haha18:36
syke_penguin: correct. and at this point, they're barely fixing anything in ff3. their acid3 score has been @ 70 for a few months now while other browsers have made great strides.18:36
penguin42we were just talking about firefox18:36
DaSkreechUpdates remove Firefox b4 and then can't install B5 since xulrunner1.9 conflict18:36
syke_daskreech: correct18:36
Gnine!poll18:37
syke_how to fix? :)18:37
ubotuUsually, there is no single "best" application to perform a given task. It's up to you to choose, depending on your preferences, features you require, and other factors. Do NOT take polls in the channel. If you insist on getting people's opinions, ask BestBot in #ubuntu-bots.18:37
Turskiis there b5 in repos?18:37
DaSkreechsyke_: how long till its resolved?18:37
penguin42syke_: Yeh someone at work pointed out that while everyone else was getting it right ff guys were just arguing about the tests18:37
DaSkreechTurski: yes but you can't install it18:37
Turskioh18:37
derspanksterguess we'll just have to live without it18:37
DaSkreechsyke_: known issue being worked on?18:37
syke_penguin: some of the tests were slightly off, or swayed one way when the standard was ambiguous. but, all of those have been resolved and that's why the other browsers moved forward18:38
syke_daskrrech: no idea if ti's being worked on, I just noticed it myself18:38
syke_and was asking for a fix18:38
Jabroni5i just plumb like firefox :/18:38
DaSkreech:-)18:38
derspanksterasking and getting are two entirely different things18:39
syke_derspankster: is this #debian? ;)18:39
derspankstersyke_: let me check18:40
syke_usually ubuntu/canonical folks are nice, especially to paying customers :)18:40
syke_and people who expend the effort to help test18:40
Gnine!debian18:41
ubotuUbuntu and Debian are closely related. Ubuntu builds on the foundations of Debian architecture and infrastructure, with a different community and release process. See http://www.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/relationship - Remember, !repositories meant for Debian should NOT be used on Ubuntu!18:41
derspanksteroh, it'll be OK, I was missing my extensions anyway18:41
Immersionhttp://quester.deviantart.com/art/Ubuntu-SS-79832545 That's a cool looking desktop18:42
syke_are there no canonical folks or package maintainers in the channel?18:43
Gnine!free18:44
ubotufreedom is important. Ubuntu is as free as we can make it, which means mostly free software. See http://www.gnu.org/philosophy/free-sw.html and http://www.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/licensing18:44
ImmersionAre there any Linux replacements for something like Lightroom or Aperture? Aka, a RAW processing?18:44
b4l74z4rhave wine 0.9.59 made it to the hardy repositories yet?18:44
dotechi'm testing the hardy installer and it is having issues creating and formatting partitions18:45
snowolfb4l74z4r: in #winehq they generally advise to use their repositories18:45
Meshezabeelsomething strange happened. I 'double-clicked' on the update manager icon in the panel. It opened up two update managers right beside each other.18:45
dotechyet 7.10 has no issues with that18:45
Meshezabeeldotech, what issues you having?18:46
b4l74z4rsnowolf, at the wine home page i can only find packages for gutsy gibbon, can i install those on hardy?18:46
dotechwhen it creates the partitions the devices corresponding with those partitions are not created in /dev18:46
snowolfb4l74z4r: you should be able to do so18:46
dotechfor example, i have /dev/sda, it creates partition #1 and the installer's call to mke2fs fails because it can't find /dev/sda118:46
syke_snowolf: yes, because release versions of ubuntu stop updating. hardy's been keeping up with winehq releases so far, though.18:46
dotechthe device is in /sys/block/sda/sda118:47
dotechi'm not sure why the device for the partition isn't being created in /dev18:47
dotechi compared it to 7.10 and the device is created properly18:47
binarical-appI updated my 710 system to 804 (i followed a wiki where repos for hardy were added) i am happy that my system isnt broken :D However i am experianceing strangeness. on DE login there are multiple natulus windows flashed . otherwise the bar with "quit", "minimise" and "fullscreen" options are missing from all launched applications. "apt-get update && apt-get upgrade" return as null. Per graphical update manager, a partial 18:48
dotechim not sure which i'm going to stick with yet but i figured i may as well provide some testing feedback for the installer18:49
dotechi did eventually get hardy to create the /dev/sda1 device by rebooting and trying it a few times18:49
timohows the volume mixer in hardy ?18:49
Gninewine 0.9.58-0ubuntu2 is the current version in 8.04 repositories18:49
|DuReX|https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/linux/+bug/20997118:49
ubotuLaunchpad bug 209971 in linux "[Hardy Regression] cx22702 no longer works" [Undecided,Incomplete]18:49
timoi been told its as good if not better then vista 118:49
|DuReX|bug fixxed !!!18:49
dotechMeshezabeel: it seems as though the kernel or udev aren't working together properly18:50
binarical-appGnine: i can tell you that if you want wine to run, you will have to use an older version18:50
binarical-appGnine: for hardy18:50
daroouhello, is it possible to prevent the ubuntu (hardy heron) installer from installing grub to the mbr?18:51
Meshezabeeldotech, yeah, I have not heard of this problem before18:51
orkunhey there - now we have pulseaudio we should be able to equalize things - right? how?18:51
daroouI would like the boot record to be installed only on sdb not sda18:51
orkundaroou, yes18:51
orkundaroou, the final step you can choose where and even not to18:51
orkununder advanced - where it shows you the settings you chose again18:51
* Gnine is currently using 0.9.58-0ubuntu2 without issues18:51
dotechthe interesting thing is that it is creating the partitions, fdisk shows them properly and the device under /sys/block/sda/sda1 is created18:51
orkunwhere you can choose to participate in the package survey etc daroou18:51
* binarical-app thinks Gnine knows what shes doing 18:52
ImmersionSo, I know this is a stupid question, but what is the difference between 64 bit and 32 bit? I know 64 bit is "Better" but why?18:52
daroouorkun, many thanks18:52
h3sp4wnImmersion: You can use 16 registers instead of 818:52
binarical-appImmersion: 64 bit refers to modern technology , where double cpus can be used together . the 32 bit sysstem refers to singular cpus18:53
dotechImmersion: you can directly map to 2^64 - 1 (~18pb) bytes of memory instead of 2^32 - 1 (4gb)18:53
Gnine!6418:53
ImmersionOh Ok.18:53
ubotuAMD64 and EMT64 are fully supported architectures on Ubuntu. See http://tinyurl.com/jv6tc for more information.18:53
orkunbinarical-app, so wrong :)18:53
MeshezabeelImmersion, but only install 64-bit version if your processor supports it18:54
ImmersionSo it's good I got the AMD64 bit instead of the 32 bit ubuntu for my Core Duo?18:54
dotechwith 32-bit registers the processor can't directly access any memory over 32-bits long, so it will make it considerably faster on systems with over 4gb of ram18:54
timoAny screenshots of  the volume mixer in hardy ? please ?18:54
orkunImmersion, it is probably bad if you even have to ask the question18:54
dotechImmersion: it depends, with <=4gb of ram you will see 8-12% improvement18:54
orkunImmersion, 64bit has got more bugs18:54
Immersionorkun, I know.18:54
dotechwith greater than 4gb, you will see even better performance18:54
ImmersionAh, ok Dotech.18:55
orkunImmersion, and not being a power user you will not notice the difference18:55
h3sp4wn8-12% where do you get from18:55
h3sp4wnand what about all the assembler optimised stuff for i38618:55
dotechbenchmark tests :), not sure where i saw it18:55
Immersionorkun I'm trying to learn it all. :)18:55
orkunImmersion, use http://www.google.com/search?q=64bit+vs+32bit&ie=utf-8&oe=utf-8&aq=t&rls=com.ubuntu:en-US:unofficial&client=firefox-a for further advantages18:55
orkunstart with 32bit18:55
orkununtil you are used to debugging processes if you are totally new18:55
dotechh3sp4wn, 64-bit processors can run 32-bit instructions18:55
dooglusI just updated and firefox got uninstalled18:56
Gnine64bit OS is more efficient on a 64bit architecture.. duh..18:56
doogluswill a new browser be taking its place?18:56
h3sp4wndotech: Always ?#18:56
orkunyes Gnine - if everything works18:56
h3sp4wnGnine: That is not true18:56
orkunand only under special occasions18:56
Immersiondooglus, really? I just updated and firefox is still there. :-/18:56
orkunother things take up more disk space this way18:56
dooglusImmersion: try again?18:56
dotechyea, its like trying to put 12 eggs in a 24-capacity egg basket, it works18:56
orkunwhich can be quite bad - especially if you are new to it you can mess things up18:56
Immersiondooglus, Wel, I want firefox to be there haha.18:56
dooglusImmersion: or maybe the mirror I'm using is out of date, I don't know.  it didn't disappear an hour ago18:57
dotechor i guess 32 eggs in a 64 egg basket haha18:57
derspanksterdooglus: yes IE618:57
h3sp4wnGnine: The situation with x86_64 is the exception (hence the reason large parts of Solaris are 32 bit and only 64 bit when it makes sense)18:57
Gnineh3sp4wn: google is thy friend18:57
dotechwhat is considerably faster is floating point operations18:57
dooglusderspankster: ha18:57
dooglusI see: "firefox-3.0: Depends: xulrunner-1.9 (>= 1.9~b4~) but it is not going to be ins..."18:57
dotechand more precise18:57
dooglusand "Installed: 1.9~b5+nobinonly-0ubuntu1"18:58
dotechanyone familiar with pulseaudio?18:58
dotechi have it set as my default audio device, when i click "test" i hear the tones, however nothing else has audio output18:59
IppatsuManI've just did a clean install of Kubuntu Hardy and bash completion doesn't work as expected (e.g. it doesnt complete "sudo aptit<TAB>"). Is this a bug that anyone else is experiencing? Should I file a bug on launchpad?18:59
dotechq18:59
binarical-appdotech:orkun is asking in the ubuntu channel for you18:59
dotechwrong keyboard :\18:59
dotechbinarical-app: ok thanks19:00
Meshezabeeldotech, totem doesn't play audio either?19:00
dotechi've onyl tried some websites in ffx3 and in the sound control panel there's a "Sounds" tab for the events19:01
dotechwhen i click "Play" there i don't  hear the sounds either19:01
orkunbut alsa works?19:01
dotechi did listen to /bin/bash by piping it into /dev/dsp1 and /dev/audio1 and that works19:01
h3sp4wnIppatsuMan: if you just source it then what happens19:01
dotechalsa doesn't appear to work either19:01
dotechi set my audio card as the default device too19:01
timoany one know if hardy will have any thing as good as this http://jkontherun.blogs.com/jkontherun/images/voume_mixer.jpg19:01
Meshezabeeldotech, can you hear sound from youtube?19:02
orkunyou should maybe first get alsa running - did it work with gutsy dotech ?19:02
dotechorkun, if i set alsa as the Sound playback device it works, so does pulse audio, and USB Decoder19:02
dotechi just installed gutsy and have the same problem19:02
IppatsuManh3sp4wn: sorry, I don't understand. What should I try to do?19:02
dotechMeshezabeel, i can't get flash working in ffx3 :\19:02
h3sp4wnIppatsuMan: . /etc/bash_completion19:03
orkunagain - your test audio under settings works - regardless which setting?19:03
dotechi tried reinstalling libflash and a few other things19:03
orkunwhat does not work19:03
dotechthe video isntantly says "Play again"19:03
dotechwithout ever playing it19:03
orkunat youtube?19:03
orkundoes not that even include 2 seconds?19:03
dotechyep, and i knwo people  have had this happen before it's in the bug list19:03
IppatsuManh3sp4wn: bash: /etc/bash_completion: No such file or directory19:03
h3sp4wntimo: OSS4 works in a similar way but only if the apps support the new api19:03
dotechmaybe 2 seconds, its quick19:03
dotech1-219:04
dotechi dont see any video though19:04
orkunhave the same problem19:04
orkunis it each time?19:04
h3sp4wnIppatsuMan: Is the bash-completion package installed ?19:04
orkunthen it just pauses?19:04
dotechno matter what video, it just pops up with a black window with the controls and it says "Play again" at the top19:04
dotechno playback at all19:04
Meshezabeeldotech, how did you install flash? when you first connect to a webpage requiring flash, a bar at the top asks you to install missing plugins, this is the best way to install it19:04
IppatsuManh3sp4wn: no, it isn't. I thought that it should be included in the default install19:04
dotechyes i did that19:04
dotechthen i tried a bunch of other things that probably made it worse :)19:05
orkunfor me strg+alt+delete helps, as this problem only occurs after some use(i think it is about gstreamer/totem) - a friend of mine - who had this problem all the time - contacted mozillasupport, dotech , which stated they should delete the cache which seemed to work19:05
dotechi'll reinstall hardy since i have the same audio problem in 7.10, i wanted hardy in the first place19:05
dotechshould take 15 minutes19:05
dotechhmm i should try that, clear private data?19:05
orkunanother guess is it could be caused by flashplayer-pulseaudio plugin(a wild guess by me) since this is the only change i could think of - flash uses pulseaudio instead of alsa for me now19:06
Meshezabeeldotech, good luck, I am using hardy 64bit and have had little problem with it. It seems to work better than gutsy.19:06
dotechyea thats what i installed yesterday19:06
orkunclear private data opens a dialogue where cache is one option19:06
dotechother than the paritioning problem it installed great19:06
orkunyou should be able to keep things like history and stored passowrds dotech19:06
dotechok19:06
Meshezabeeldotech, you could also always use 7.10 disc to partition and then 8.04 to install19:07
ToddEDMhows hardy coming along guys?... what are some of the major differences?19:07
orkunbut try that out first - that is every advice i could give good luck19:07
dotechhmm true19:07
orkunToddEDM, everything seems to work magically19:07
orkunlike sound issues, flash fullscreen and stuff19:07
dotechok i'll try it19:07
ToddEDMlol, awesome, just what i need19:07
orkunfor details check out ubuntu page19:07
ToddEDMmagic19:07
dotechreally what i was trying to get working was Sirius19:07
orkunit is what happened for me and for many users in this channel19:07
dotechonce i get my music i can work through the rest of the bugs stress free :)19:07
ToddEDMwhen is hardy set to be released?19:08
Meshezabeeldotech, also, try a non-web audio app and see if you can get sound working, if your only problem is in ff, you know it is a ff/plugin problem19:08
xtknight!schedule | ToddEDM19:08
ubotuToddEDM: A shedule of Hardy Heron (8.04) release dates can be found here: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/HardyReleaseSchedule19:08
xtknight!hardy19:08
ubotuHardy Heron is the code name for the next release of Ubuntu (8.04-LTS), due April 24, 2008 - For more info, see: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/HardyHeron - CONSIDER IT TO BE BETA SOFTWARE - Discussion and support in #ubuntu+1, NOT #ubuntu19:08
MeshezabeelToddEDM, there is a countdown on the main ubuntu page19:08
orkunnow once i plugin headphones ToddEDM , normal speakers just get muted - i could not switch speaker/headphone playback with gutsy even with a reboot19:08
dotechMeshezabeel, yea I tried a few things, anything that let me pick the specific device "/dev/dsp1" worked19:08
xtknightany ideas why this is happening? (ubuntu hardy, ff3.0b4) http://img31.picoodle.com/img/img31/4/4/4/f_bigfontsm_e41c2be.jpg19:09
xtknightthe big previous/next buttons to be specific19:09
ToddEDMorkun:  my laptop did that automatically19:09
dotechMeshezabeel: anything that didn't have the option to specifically choose the device didn't work19:09
xtknightit's worse on some webpages even, the whole page except one or two fonts has big text.  i assume my 'default text size' is at fault but it's just free sans/16pt19:09
orkunnow mine too :)19:09
ToddEDMbut its cool nonethelesss19:09
Meshezabeeldotech, so, would the other apps work by default, or would you always have to change the audio device?19:09
orkunbefore it did not work19:09
dotechMeshezabeel, i had to pick the device because it was defaulting to my onboard sound19:09
orkunanyway i can equalize things ANYhow?(without xmms and jackd preferrably). please i really need this :>19:10
dotecheven though alsa was using my USB decoder as the default card19:10
dotechMeshezabeel, thats why i was asking about pulseaudio, do i have to set a default card there too?19:10
syke_immersion: another reason is the extra registers. 32bit ubuntu/dbian compiles for i486, which gcc models with fewer registers and a fraction of the cache of amd6419:10
h3sp4wndotech: You can tell pulse the sink to use using the pulseaudio applet19:10
Meshezabeeldotech, not sure, I only have one audio card so never ran into that problem19:11
syke_those two things can make for significantly better loop optimization and inlining heuristics, sometimes resulting  smaller code that is also much faster19:11
dotechh3sp4wn, how can i access that applet?19:11
h3sp4wnI think its - paman19:12
dotechMeshezabeel, i'm pretty sure this is just a problem caused by my multiple cards, i really only have an onboard card and a USB headphone amp which is a USB DAC that ubuntu is detecting properly19:12
h3sp4wnI am not 100% certain though19:12
dotechh3sp4wn, thanks i'll look into it19:12
mluserIs there a reason why firefox3 was uninstalled from my hardy installation?19:12
syke_mluser: there's a problem with xulrunner-1.9 deps -- many people are having the issue, but no fix has been proposed yet :( :(19:13
syke_maybe one of the ops should put this in the  topic?19:13
LibertyShadowEpiphany isn't too bad19:14
LibertyShadow:D19:14
mlusersyke_: Ok.. thank you19:14
dotechthis time hardy created the partitions properly, go figure :)19:14
dotechmust be a kernel / udev problem19:15
netcrusher88okay, so upgrading xulrunner to b5 automatically uninstalled my firefox b4 install... is there an eta on firefox b5 in the repos? just curious19:15
Meshezabeellol dotech, must be a glitch in the matrix :)19:16
dotechhaha19:16
dotechso this time when i open firefox, i should only have ot install the plugin through it for flash19:16
viator!broadcom19:17
ubotuHelp with Broadcom bcm43xx can be found at https://wiki.ubuntu.com/WifiDocs/Driver/Broadcom43xx19:17
dotechbut which one do i install?  the GNU SWF player or Adobe non-free?19:17
netcrusher88personally i'd advise adobe19:17
dotechok i'll pick that one then19:17
netcrusher88gnash just isn't quite there if you ask me19:17
Gnine!gnash19:17
ubotuAn open source flash replacement.  It is still beta software. For current status or for more info http://www.gnu.org/software/gnash/19:17
dotechif the videos still don't display properly i'll assume its due to my sound issues19:17
dotechi think flash was working19:18
dotechsince the player did appear on youtube at least19:18
Meshezabeelyes, I've had better luck with adobe too19:18
viatorthe bcm43xx page for hardy is just a place marker19:19
dotechi wish there was a U3 installer for ubuntu :)19:19
dotechcd's are too slow19:20
viatoris there a more accurate place i can look for hardy broadcom info19:20
viatorits still broken :(19:21
joumetalwhich command changes keyboard layout?19:21
ConstyI just updated my installation and it removed firefox and broke some stuff now. Is anyone else having the same issue?19:21
h3sp4wnThere is no real accurate information (for any platforms)19:21
netcrusher88Consty: yep19:21
Constynetcrusher88: Alright, just making sure.19:21
dotechConsty, i think it is a problem with the xulrunner-1.9 deps (quoted form syke_)19:21
syke_yes19:21
syke_I'm filing a bug in launchpad19:21
syke_the devs are now aware19:22
netcrusher88near as i can tell, xulrunner bumped to 1.9b5, which breaks firefox 3b4, and 3b5 isn't in the repos yet19:22
syke_netcrusher: basically, yes19:22
dotechso i should exclude that from my updates? :)19:22
ConstyAmazing how people figure out dependency problems from so many different applications.19:22
ConstySeems daunting. :)19:22
viatordpkg-reconfigure xserver xorg19:22
viatorxserver-xorg19:22
dotechok i'm back to Hardy19:23
macogwapt is telling me the dependency is broken and warning me not to update19:23
dotechi love how the full install takes 10 minutes !19:23
macogwum is anyone else kernel panicking after yesterday's kernel upgrade?19:23
h3sp4wnmacogw: 14 or 15 ?19:23
macogw1519:23
h3sp4wnIts fine here - 14 broke bluez19:24
Sergeant_Pony14 didn't work on mine19:24
Constysyke_: How long do you think it will be before they repair it?19:24
viatorit will suck if hardy ships with broken broadcom19:24
syke_no idea19:24
derspanksterviator: what card?19:24
syke_I'm just an end-user like you guys19:25
macogw15 says something about the block device being wrong19:25
macogw14 boots fine19:25
viator4306 rev319:25
h3sp4wnviator: Never been a decent broadcom driver yet19:25
Sergeant_Pony14 I got the white screen, 15 works fine19:25
h3sp4wnAnd the quality of the radio's is poor also19:25
derspanksterviator: I have a 4318 and it works fine with b4319:25
dotechmacogw, if you can get more detailed info about the panic it owuld help19:25
macogwOH woah19:26
macogwthe menu.lst doesnt have the initrd lines for -1519:26
viatori just want the thing to work19:26
macogwisnt part of the install supposed to automatically add that?19:26
viatori have 4318 on another box19:26
h3sp4wnI do but probably for a different definition of works19:26
dotechhaha my system monitor is totally messed up :)19:27
derspanksterviator: does the other box connect (if you run Hardy on it)19:27
dotechthe Resources tab, the graphs shift to the left19:27
dotechthey are, but the lines aren't disappearing after each shift, it's turning into a giant wall of color19:27
viatorit works for some reasonits got gutsy :|19:27
viatorlol19:27
dotechlooks cool at least19:28
macogwdotech: kinda like how the text fields in gmail on firefox 3 do?19:28
viatorwife doesnt let me upgrade that one doesnt want it broken19:28
Meshezabeeldotech, works fine for me, maybe your video card?19:28
dotechit worked yesterday :)19:28
dotechi havent' installed the nvidia drivers yet19:28
viatorfirefox 3 text fields on some things dont work thats true19:28
dotechthats probably what it is19:28
Meshezabeeldotech, install updates first though19:28
viatorbut it isnt linux19:28
viatorsame thing for me on windows version19:28
dotechyea, i was trying flash first just to be sure i get that working19:28
dotechguess that was a bad idea19:29
Meshezabeeldotech, usually it is best to install updates first, but should be okay, any luck with the flash?19:30
syke_https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/xulrunner-1.9/+bug/21241619:30
ubotuLaunchpad bug 212416 in xulrunner-1.9 "latest xulrunner-1.9 update breaks firefox-3.0" [Undecided,New]19:30
dotechMeshezabeel, rebooting now, i installed flash and the nvidia driver, i'll check when it comes back19:30
timoh3sp4wn:its progress init ?19:31
dotechsweet19:31
dotechflash works19:31
dotechi guess installing GNU SWF last time messed it up19:32
dotechbefore hooking up my USB decoder i'll try the default onboard sound to see if that's working19:32
h3sp4wntimo: Now there will be the option to use oss4 with ubuntu if you want with less messing around it might be better19:32
dotechsound works too19:34
bjwebbhotmail.com crashes firefox after login19:34
daekdroomWhenever I start a Gnome Session it takes long and it accuses HAL couldn't be initialized, also, Clicking the Exit button crashes the computer. I tried to reinstall HAL but it didn't work. Could anyone help me? (this happened after upgrading to the kernel 15)19:34
dotechlol what a weird cooincidence, the video i loaded starts out with a blank screen and it's some nerd talking about a sound test19:34
* Jaymac1 sighs... I know free drivers are to be encouraged, but i've had nothing but misery with the iwl394519:34
dotechmathmaticious19:34
Jaymac1the ipw3945 proprietary driver worked like a charm19:35
Meshezabeellol dotech, it's a miracle, everything works, partitioning, video, audio ;)19:35
netcrusher88Jaymac1: that's how i feel about flash19:35
dotechMeshezabeel, i know :)19:35
dotechnow once I plug in my USB decoder, will it all break? :)19:35
Meshezabeeldotech, good luck :) try updating first though ;)19:35
dotechok ill do that to be sure updates don't breka it19:36
Jaymac1netcrusher88: I can't connect to ANY wireless networks19:36
bjwebbalso, is ubuntu not shipping firefox 3b5 because it was after the feature freeze?19:36
Jaymac1I can see them, attempt to connect, but it always hangs on "Waiting for network key..."19:36
macogwJaymac1: like what? mine works fine.  it turns out lack of WEP is NM's fault, because from the terminal or using network-admin it works.  and NM+ipw3945 didnt work either19:36
bjwebbhttps://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/firefox-3.0/+bug/21241919:36
Jaymac1macogw: I can't connect to WPA or unsecured with mine.19:37
h3sp4wnbjwebb: Its probably just not compiled yet it takes ages19:37
Jaymac1macogw: I connected to the same networks with ipw3945 with no issues19:37
bjwebbh3sp4wn: so it is coming?19:37
dotechnice, i ran an audio sync test on youtube and the sound is in sync19:37
dotechtime to try updates and see if it still works19:37
h3sp4wnbjwebb: I would say they wouldn't break that dependancy if it wasn't19:37
Meshezabeelbjwebb, I can't access that page19:38
bjwebbi know, its private for some reason19:38
Jaymac1macogw: when I attempt to connect to a network it doesn't get so far as adding an entry to the list in nm-editor19:38
bjwebbhow do i make it public?19:39
daekdroomWhenever I start a Gnome Session it takes long and it accuses HAL couldn't be initialized, also, Clicking the Exit button crashes the computer. I tried to reinstall HAL but it didn't work. Could anyone help me? (this happened after upgrading to the kernel 15)19:39
ader10Just in case nobody mentioned it, there's a dependency problem in the repos, firefox is not installable on my computer currently.19:40
macogwJaymac1: i can do unsecured just fine. i havent gotten a chance to try wpa since switching to hardy as the only wpa network i use is 250 miles away.  and the nm-editor thing does get all the networks I connect to.  this is odd.19:40
dotechhmm Sirius doesn't work19:40
bjwebbgrrrr, how do i make this bug not private19:41
Jaymac1macogw: Yeah, I tried a live cd to see if I might have banjaxxed something myself... but with the live cd I have the same trouble19:41
bjwebbhttps://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/firefox-3.0/+bug/212419 is now public19:42
ubotuLaunchpad bug 212419 in firefox-3.0 "firefox crashes on viewing hotmail" [Undecided,New]19:42
dotechsystem monitor looks good now19:43
MTecknologyI'm doing updates, why is firefox 3 being removed?19:44
syke_btw, I've been told that firefox-3.0 pkg will be udpated soon to fix the issue with the mismatched xulrunner-1.919:44
syke_MTecknology: wait a few hours, update, and try again19:44
syke_it should be fixed by then19:44
MTecknologyk19:44
MeshezabeelMTecknology, https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/xulrunner-1.9/+bug/21241619:44
ubotuLaunchpad bug 212416 in firefox-3.0 "latest xulrunner-1.9 update breaks firefox-3.0" [Low,Incomplete]19:44
dotechcrazy how many people hit this bug19:45
MTecknologyok, ty19:45
Sergeant_Ponycard 0: SB [HDA ATI SB], device 0: ALC861 Analog [ALC861 Analog]   <-- anyone know how to get this to work with pulse audio?19:45
rothchildwhen I log out to gdm I get an error (when the login screen loads) saying 'authentication error' it just keeps reappearing when I hit ok, I have set myself to auto login so it works from cold boot but if I want to restart the xserver I can get back in to the system without restartng, I suspect it may be something to do with PAM but I dunno where to start looking, can you help?19:45
syke_dotech: yes. disappointing, even for a beta :(19:45
macogwJaymac1: that's really confusing.  your card is actually the 3945 and not some other intel one, right?19:45
dotechits good that its found so fast i guess :)19:45
macogwor not..19:45
Meshezabeelsyke_, and I just updated everything just before you posted your first message, I'm afraid to restart now ;)19:45
rothchildthis is my /pam.d/gdm http://pastebin.ca/97276419:45
dotechSergeant_Pony, click System->Preferences->Sound19:46
syke_you just won't have ff3 -- feel free to use konqueror in the meantime19:46
h3sp4wnIf anything needs updating it has to be compiled - that seems obvious19:46
daekdroomDoes that bug happen only to the people that updated to beta 5?19:46
dotechSergeant_Pony, try changing the sound playback devices and use the test buttons19:46
syke_(I only uuse ff3 for sites konq has issues with, personally. and those are few and far between at this point)19:46
daekdroomI still have beta 4 and beta 5 isn't aviable.19:46
syke_someone please update the topic19:46
Sergeant_Ponydotech I went thru that... the only test sound that works is alc861 analog19:47
syke_saying something like "reinstall/update firefox-3.0 in a few hours"19:47
volHi, I'm having some trouble with the 8.04 beta. I've managed to install, after using the fakeraid walkthrough. I ran synaptic update, and then did a "partial upgrade". Unfortunately, it was not successful, and the errors visible here ( http://rafb.net/p/FdsY5e76.html ) keep reoccuring whenever I try and run synaptic for anything else.19:47
dotechSergeant_Pony, when you click the Sounds tab do the play buttons in there work?19:47
daekdroomWhenever I start a Gnome Session it takes long and it accuses HAL couldn't be initialized, also, Clicking the Exit button crashes the computer. I tried to reinstall HAL but it didn't work. Could anyone help me? (this happened after upgrading to the kernel 15)19:47
=== syke_ is now known as syke
Sergeant_Ponydotech nope not under anything...19:48
dotechSergeant_Pony, Applictions->Accessories->Terminal, try "alsamixer"19:49
kippyhey guys is 8.04 the beta of 8.10 ?19:49
dotechSergeant_Pony, do you see the analog ALCS device as the card?19:49
dotechALC*19:49
Meshezabeelkippy, no, 8.10 will be the next release19:49
mindframewhat19:50
Sergeant_Ponydotech with OSS it works about 45% with pulse audio it doesn't19:50
mindframewhat's the equivalent of 'screens and graphics' in hardy?  how do i disable a second screen?19:50
kippyokay! so which of the two is LTS ? and are both named Hardy Heron?19:50
Sergeant_Ponydotech there is no alsamixer19:51
Meshezabeelkippy, 8.04 is Hardy, it is in beta for a couple more weeks, then 8.04 will be released as a stable release. 8.10 is not hardy19:51
daekdroomkippy: 8.04 Beta is the beta of 8.04 (LTS) Hardy Heron. 8.10 Will have its own beta and won't be hardy19:51
dotechSergeant_Pony, weird, i just installed hardy and i have it19:51
daekdroomMeshezabeel: don't forget there's a RC19:51
kippyokay Got it folks..!! thanks19:52
Sergeant_Ponycard 0: SB [HDA ATI SB], device 0: ALC861 Analog [ALC861 Analog]   that's what I have aplay -l19:52
spiderfirehi19:52
volAny suggestions?19:52
dotechSergeant_Pony, i have a very similar problem with a USB decoder19:52
Sergeant_Ponythis is a toshiba laptop19:53
volAdditionally, dpkg --configure -a gives me detritus about not being able to install grub (I did that manually due to software raid0)19:53
dotechSergeant_Pony, it is the default card but no sound at all, if i use the onboard device it works fine19:53
Meshezabeeldaekdroom, RC of Intrepid?19:53
daekdroomMeshezabeel: RC as in Release Candidate?19:53
Sergeant_Ponydotech I have sound until I hit the gnome desktop19:53
Meshezabeeldaekdroom, yes, I know what RC means, just didn't know what you were referring to19:54
dotechSergeant_Pony, interesting... when i first connect this USB decoder Ubuntu plays the Login sound19:54
dotechthen nothing19:54
volHello? Is this thing on?19:54
Sergeant_Ponydotech, yup19:54
dotechSergeant_Pony, do you have the same thing? you hear the Ubuntu login music?19:54
Meshezabeeldaekdroom, the RCs came before the beta, correct?19:54
daekdroomNo. After.19:55
ImmersionHm, I'm trying to connect to my other OS's partition, How do I authenticate so I can pull some files?19:55
daekdroomIt's Alpha, Beta, RC, Final19:55
Sergeant_Ponydotech did u fix it?19:55
dotechalthough this is a bit different for me, i am connecting the device on the fly, and it plays the login sound at that point haha19:55
Meshezabeeldaekdroom, ah, I see my error, thanks :)19:55
dotechSergeant_Pony, not yet, i'm trying to now19:55
Sergeant_Ponydotech ok...19:55
dotechit sounds like we have a similar problem19:55
Sergeant_Ponydotech sounds like it...19:56
ImmersionHey, akk. Think I could bother you again?19:56
dotechhaha not my firefox is gone too :)19:56
dotechnow*19:56
dotechi knew i should have waited19:56
Meshezabeelwoohoo19:56
Meshezabeeldotech, did you try leaving xulrunner out when you updated?19:57
volYeah, I'd like to point out that the partial upgrade deinstalled firefox from my machine as well.19:57
ImmersionCan anyone help me, how would I gain root permissions on my other partition while accessing it in Ubuntu?19:57
dotechMeshezabeel, nah, i just clicked update and it said it could only do Partial Updates19:57
dotechso I just let it do that19:58
Meshezabeelvol, it will happen to everyone I assume19:58
volOh hey, someone can hear me.19:58
dotechno big deal for me because i'm going to reinstall after messing with all of this anyway19:58
dotechi want to fix my sound problem so i can reinstall and fix it right away without messing around with things19:59
Sergeant_Ponydotech I'm trying to avoid that...19:59
dotechSergeant_Pony, yeah, if this wasnt a brand new machine i would too19:59
volAnyway, I'm using sudo aptitude -f for all of those packages19:59
volwould someone PLEASE tell me now if this is an amazingly bad idea?19:59
Sergeant_Ponydotech this is a dual boot winxp/ubuntu laptop19:59
dotechi'm willing to try anything to get this to work, 15 minutes to reinstall so no problem here19:59
dotechjust a desktop here, 1 hdd fully utilized by ubuntu20:00
dotechSergeant_Pony, see if you can find a "pulseaudio sink applet"20:00
dotechthere may be a way to tell pulseaudio which sink to use20:00
dotechaka, which card to use20:01
corporealthe latest updates murdered the firefox packages20:01
Sergeant_PonyI know where that is...20:01
corporeal:-/20:01
dotechwhere?20:01
spiderfireis firefox broken?20:01
corporealyes20:01
spiderfireok good20:01
dotechi'll give it a shot20:01
spiderfiref2 works though20:01
tritiumosuPartial dist upgrade uninstalled ff3 temporarily20:01
Sergeant_Ponydotech I have it on simutaineous output20:01
dotechtry updating again in a few hours, its happening to everyone20:02
corporealtritiumosu: i just ran the adept updater this morning and it removed and broke the ff3 packages20:02
corporealtritiumosu: it won't even reinstall20:02
dotechSergeant_Pony, how do i get to the applet?20:02
tritiumosucorporeal: I'm having the same issue, it won't reinstall FF3 from synaptic or cmd line lol20:02
corporeal tritiumosu: ya, complains about broken packages.20:03
Sergeant_Ponyapps > sound video > pulseaudio chooser20:03
h3sp4wndotech: You can do it with paman20:03
* corporeal is just downloading b5 from mozilla in .tar.bz2 form20:03
dotechok20:03
Meshezabeelfirefox problem: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/xulrunner-1.9/+bug/21241620:03
h3sp4wnAny of the other ways didbn't work for me20:03
ubotuLaunchpad bug 212416 in firefox-3.0 "latest xulrunner-1.9 update breaks firefox-3.0" [Low,Incomplete]20:03
dotechill try both :)20:03
corporeali think that should be a higher priority considering it breaks the main browser :-p20:03
dotechok so the same thing happened when i connected the device, i hear the login sound then nothing, checking the applet and paman now20:04
dotechhm,, i don't have Pulseaudio chooser20:04
dashavoo_will saa7134_alsa be added to the kernel in hardy by default?20:04
h3sp4wndotech: Just find the name of the sink and change it from default -> longcomplicated-sink-name20:05
dotechok i have to get paman too, i don't have either20:05
* corporeal needs to file a bug report about the new kernel hanging eveyr once in a while20:05
daekdroomkippy: 8.04 Beta is the beta of 8.04 (LTS) Hardy Heron. 8.10 Will have its own beta and won't be hardy20:05
daekdroomoops20:05
akkWhat's the next one after Hardy? Irate Iguana?20:06
dashavoo_I'm thinking excitable elephant has a ring to it20:07
DaSkreechInconqsequential ibex?20:07
h3sp4wnThey already had edgy eft so they won't do e again20:07
DaSkreechIntrepid Ibex20:07
DaSkreechh3sp4wn: They have to20:07
DaSkreechjust 26 releases on :)20:07
dashavoo_orgasmic octopus... just to keep the hentai fans onboard20:07
dashavoo_actually no20:07
akkhardy is the second 'h' -- I guess they didn't think about going alphabetically at the beginning.20:07
dashavoo_we don't want them20:08
theman--hey guys, problem with firefox3 : some images dont load, some just show up black... ?20:08
h3sp4wnDaSkreech: I would question the ability of Ubuntu to last that long20:08
volWell, my problems appear to have resolved themselves20:08
volthanks for the help, guys!20:08
volI mean it20:08
* akk thinks the current one should be greasy gopher20:08
Ashexyesterday apt told me these packages were no longer needed:20:08
Ashexlinux-headers-2.6.24-12-generic linux-headers-2.6.24-1220:08
corporealLOL20:08
AshexHas anyone else gotten that and is it safe to?20:09
corporeal8.10 should be Irate Indian?20:09
corporeal9.04 = Jolly Jigilo?20:09
akkjumpin' jackrabbit20:09
macogwdoes paypal.com crash anyone else's firefox 3?20:10
corporealNope.20:10
stefg!ibex20:10
ubotuIntrepid Ibex is the code name for Ubuntu 8.10, due October 2008 - For more info, see: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/IntrepidIbex20:10
dotechh3sp4wn, that name is so long !20:10
macogwas of 2 hours ago or so ff3 worked fine on paypal. now it just crashes.20:10
macogwi did update in between, i think20:11
akkintrepid ibex is okay ... lots better than the last few20:11
EdwardXpcan someone help me out with some practice commands to ubuntu?20:11
macogwbut i didnt get the broken xulrunner. i can visit any other page just fine20:11
x1250ibex is available in the repos?20:11
macogwEdwardXp: this is the development channel.  unless youre running the beta and its specific to it, you ought to go to #ubuntu20:11
EdwardXpcan someone help me out with some practice commands to ubuntu? >> im trying to uninstall and install new drivers .. or basicly... disable and enable existing drivers20:11
macogwx1250: no20:11
Ashexso, anyone20:11
macogwx1250: it will be the release after hardy20:12
x1250okay20:12
EdwardXpok20:12
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dotechh3sp4wn, that got the "Devices" Test buttons to work, but still no sound for Sounds->Play for the event sounds20:12
macogwwoah woah woah and paypal is totally inaccessible in konqueror20:13
h3sp4wndotech: You can choose which card you want system sounds to go to seperately20:13
dotechwhere?20:15
h3sp4wnDon't remember I don't even have pulseaudio installed anymore20:16
h3sp4wnactually try the very last tab in paman20:16
dotechnice that worked20:17
dotechthanks20:17
jrabbitHello20:17
jrabbitI'm considering grabbing the ubuntu studio edition of hardy, does it have some of the required basic support for a macboo kpro? :\20:18
jrabbitI don't want to not have ethernet and no wireless20:18
jrabbitor no keyboard20:18
jrabbitetc20:18
h3sp4wnrothchild: Its got everything the normal ubuntu has and more20:19
h3sp4wnjrabbit: ^^20:19
jrabbitYeah that's not helpful20:19
jrabbitUbuntu was pretty fucked up on my desktop20:19
jrabbit(I think that was 7.10)20:19
Sergeant_Ponydotech progress?20:19
jrabbitBut I'm pretty sure it was a mounting bug that was known20:19
jrabbitThink it might be on the wiki?20:20
* jrabbit goes to look20:20
dotechSergeant_Pony, with "Autodetect" set as my sound playback devices i hear the sound in my USB decoder20:20
dotechbut system sounds still won't play to it20:20
Sergeant_Ponydotech damn20:20
jrabbitOh cool it even has its own install how to :D20:20
dotechill have to install the pulseaudio debug package to figure this out20:21
Sergeant_Ponydotech I can set them all the autodetect except for audio conferencing sound capture20:22
dotechSergeant_Pony all 3 of them work here20:22
dotechi'll do some research on google20:23
tobiHi, I have problems with 8.4 and the german keyboard layout. is it a known problem?20:23
Sergeant_Ponydotech if I put them all on oss instead of alc861 it blows the speakers20:24
dotechi would avoid oss at all costs20:24
dotechas far as i know it's deprecated for the most part20:25
Sergeant_Ponyme?20:25
dotechyea in favor of alsa20:25
heydabopHas anyone updated to the lasted version? Firefox 3 doesn't work with it.20:26
Sergeant_Ponydotech I was told that pulse audio is a replacement for alsamixer etc....20:26
dotechyea20:26
macogwdotech: there are a lot of cards that only work right with OSS still though20:26
dotechtrue20:26
macogwdotech: it was deprechated due to licensing, i think, but now it's all Free again, so...20:27
awalton__(it was also deprecated because it was absolutely terrible, but that's a different story)20:27
dotechhaha20:27
macogwtobi: check launchpad.net20:27
macogwawalton__: well whats funny is that it couldnt do mixing in software before they deprecated it, but now it can and alsa's "oss compatibility mode" doesnt20:28
macogwawalton__: at least according to an article i read from last year, just before it got re-Free'd20:28
awalton__then again, the whole point of sound servers is to do mixing/levels in user space.20:29
macogwOSS was just "pass it to the card"20:29
awalton__that's pretty much what ALSA is today.20:29
jdrakeI just did a partial upgrade and it ended up removing firefox 3b4 and installing xulrunner. I notice that xulrunner lists itself as a dependancy of a firefox 3b5, but I cannot find this particular thing anywhere. Any ideas?20:29
macogwthere are some cards (again, according to that article) that alsa doesnt allow to do hardware mixing even when they're capable of it20:29
macogwjdrake: hasnt gone through yet.20:30
dotechI'll follow the sound troubleshooting guide to see if anything obvious is wrong20:30
awalton__yeah, ALSA doesn't provide an abstraction for very much at all as far as that thing goes.20:30
jdrakemacogw: Will it likely go through today sometime? (I have opera, so I am not in critical need, but I love my firefox)20:30
awalton__that was a design decision; hardware mixing is almost dead...20:30
mindframe-how can i resolve the nvidia api mismatch error when starting X?20:31
awalton__today's sound environment's pretty dull actually. most devices just have the bare minimum (DACs, some buffers, etc), and let software do all of the rest.20:31
dotechawalton__, its cheaper that way, thats why there's still a market for a/v receivers20:32
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dotechmost can't be bothered to go through these software problems20:33
macogwawalton__: http://insanecoding.blogspot.com/2007/05/sorry-state-of-sound-in-linux.html20:34
awalton__well hopefully the problems will go away as more and more people standardize on ALSA+PA.20:34
dotechyes20:34
macogwi have a receiver20:34
dotechas do i :)20:34
macogwmy record player cant power speakers20:34
dotechi can only deal with computer problems for so long, then i need to go to my real sound system20:35
LaneyWow, installing kqemu has *massively* increased VM performance20:35
Sergeant_Ponywhat I can't figure out is the volume bars move on the puse audio meter but I get no sound out of the speakers....?20:35
dotechSergeant_Pony, i dont have bars moving on mine20:35
dotechmaybe its going to a different device?20:35
macogwive noticed that if i mute with my keyboard, the volume mixer on the gnome panel still shows sound instead of putting up the red cross out thing20:35
dotechin the volume meter (playback) what do you see after "Showing signal levels of..."20:36
awalton__yeah, the GUI really isn't ready for pulse, sadly.20:36
Sergeant_Pony1 sec20:36
awalton__e.g. the whole volume control applet needs to be redone20:37
Sergeant_Ponyrtp multicast20:37
Sergeant_Ponysink20:37
dotechthats strange20:37
dotechdid you set up a network server in pulse?20:37
Sergeant_Ponyyup, sure did20:38
dotechah20:38
dotechhmm, i just found an option while in there20:38
dotech"Simultaneous Output"20:38
dotechvirtual output device for sim. output on all local sound cards... sounds like what i was looking for20:39
Sergeant_Ponyi have that checked20:39
rothchildh3sp4wn: yeah the added bit is so I only get asked for my keyring password once do you have any clues what the 'authentification failed' message is about?20:40
dotechlol20:42
dotechi connected my usb decoder and now pulse cant connect20:42
dotech"Failure: Connection refused"20:42
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Cpudan80Hello everyone20:43
Cpudan80I've got a minor problem with HH20:43
Cpudan80I'm on a laptop and the screen resolution of the internal panel is 1024x768 --- it's hooked to an external monitor with resolution 1280x102420:44
Cpudan80That works ok --- except the gnome panels are not in the right place on the bigger screen20:44
Cpudan80Any way to fix that?20:44
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mindframe-is nvidia-glx-new supposed to work w/ hardy?  i'm getting an api mismatch when i try to startx.  it says kernel module version is 71.86.04, but driver component has version 169.12.20:51
crd1bmindframe-: ensure that you do not have the file /lib/linux-restricted-modules/.nvidia_legacy_installed20:52
crd1bthe nvidia kernel module is linked and "installed" at boot from one of a variety of sources20:52
crd1bsometimes the lrm scripts use the wrong one20:52
Cpudan80Alright so ehh20:52
Cpudan80It's actually the GDM that is not the right size20:53
mindframe-crdb1b: i only have .nvidia_new_installed20:53
mindframe-plus the kernel trees20:53
Cpudan80like the GDM only takes up 1024x768 on the bigger monitor --- it should use up the full 1280x102420:53
Cpudan80Any ideas how to fix it?20:53
dotechwell i give up for now, ill try again later20:53
crd1bmindframe-: hmm, as a workaround, try putting in /etc/default/linux-restricted-modules-common: DISABLED_MODULES="nvidia_legacy nvidia"20:54
SilverDawnAnyone here play tremulous20:54
stefano_i have a hard time formatting a hard drive, i think it has some bad sectors, so i would need to low-level-format it (i guess?) how would i go about this? (i'm on a notebook and the hard drive is connected via usb)20:54
crd1bthat will leave only nvidia_new so it'll be forced to use it20:54
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mindframe-crd1b, that worked. thanks a lot.20:57
crd1bcool20:58
Cpudan80Anybody have any ideas?21:01
Cpudan80To repeat --- Monitor 1: 1024x768 -- Monitor 2: 1290x1024. They are setup to mirror each other. That works ok except the secondary monitor's panels and stuff are all the wrong size. Like the GDM (on startup) only uses 1024x768 on the big monitor. The gnome panels dont extend all the way across on the big monitor21:03
Cpudan801280x1024 on the big one -- sorry -- typo21:03
akkIf they were different resolutions, they wouldn't really be mirroring each other, would they?21:04
Cpudan80yeah I guess not21:04
Cpudan80I wonder if setting it up as an extension will fix the problem21:04
akkI doubt there's anything that copies a scaled version from one monitor onto another monitor21:04
akkDo you have a dual head video card so you could even do that?21:05
Cpudan80umm yes I do21:05
Cpudan80Its a laptop21:05
Cpudan80the external ports are rendered separately from the panel (as far as I know21:05
akkokay, didn't know how common it was. My laptop just has one head, but it's old.21:06
Cpudan80Mine is from 0521:06
_siddDid firefox disappear in the latest update?21:11
stefano_fsck gives me errors i can't interpretate, can someone help me?21:11
derspankster_ssid: yes FF3 is gone21:15
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hewhocutsdowntry again....could anyone help me with a question regarding external USB storage devices? I have two, both worked under gutsy, only one works under hardy heron21:23
RyanPriorCan I force programs to use the PulseAudio server even if they don't have an option to do it explicitly?21:24
cowbudryanakca: esddsp21:26
cowbudgrr21:26
cowbudRyanPrior: esddsp21:26
_siddderspankster: any idea why?21:26
RyanPrior!esddsp21:26
ubotuSorry, I don't know anything about esddsp - try searching on http://ubotu.ubuntu-nl.org/factoids.cgi21:26
DensuXHey all! Are there any users here who are currently using the Ubuntu 8.04 BETA version? If so i was wondering if they can help me with something. I am currently trying to get filesharing to work. I installed samba i added the shares to the smb.conf etc. Now when i go to network locations i see the shares pop up but when i try to open them it tells me cannot mount windows share. I used to add shares with the shared folders tool that you can fi21:26
DensuXnd under system --> administration --> shared folders. But this tool seems to have disappeared from the menu since one of the recent updates. Anyone know what the problem might be?21:26
cowbudRyanPrior: try man esddsp21:26
hewhocutsdowni've got output for dmesg and lsusb if that's of any help21:26
RyanPrior!man esddsp21:26
ubotuSorry, I don't know anything about man esddsp - try searching on http://ubotu.ubuntu-nl.org/factoids.cgi21:26
cowbudRyanPrior: sorry I meanted on the command line21:27
cowbudlike the man command21:27
cowbudmeanted? wtf damn I must really be losing my mind21:27
cowbudmeant21:27
RyanPriorNo manual entry for esddsp21:27
MTecknologypidgin is crashing on me now....21:27
cowbuddamn21:28
cowbudalright then do this21:28
RyanPriorBesidies, I thought PulseAudio was a replacement for esd?21:28
Sergeant_Ponyalsa21:28
cowbudaptitude install esound-clients21:28
cowbudSergeant_Pony: no21:28
cowbudhe is right21:28
cowbudRyanPrior: and it is esd compatible21:28
cowbudso having that will make it play over pulse audio21:28
* Jaymac finally got his iwlwifi working after installing nm0.7 and linux-backports-modules :D21:29
Sergeant_PonyI need someone that really knows Pulse Audio and Toshiba laptop's to help me out...21:30
hewhocutsdownhello? Could anyone help out with navigating problems with USB storage devices? I have 2, one which works (80GB laptop-size drive) and a Drobo (RAID-like 4-disk storage device)21:31
hewhocutsdownthe former works, the latter does not21:31
cowbudSergeant_Pony: why don't you just ask your question and maybe someone will no your particular problem instead of narrowing the amount of people that could help you21:31
DensuXI am currently trying to get file sharing with windows to work. I installed samba i added the shares to the smb.conf etc. Now when i go to network locations i see the shares pop up but when i try to open them it tells me cannot mount windows share. I used to add shares with the shared folders tool that you can find under system --> administration --> shared folders. But this tool seems to have disappeared from the menu since one of the recent21:31
DensuX updates. Anyone know what the problem might be?21:31
Sergeant_Ponycard 0: SB [HDA ATI SB], device 0: ALC861 Analog [ALC861 Analog] <-- I have this card. it works somewhat under OSS. I want to use it under Pulse Audio because I think OSS sucks.21:32
cowbudSergeant_Pony: first off, ALSA is similar to OSS where ESD is similar to Pulseaudio. ESD/PulseAudio != OSS != ALSA21:33
cowbudSergeant_Pony: are you running hardy with the default installation if so what makes you think you are using OSS at all?21:33
Sergeant_Ponycowbud: ok... Sound preferences tells me it is21:34
cowbudSergeant_Pony: it is using a OSS driver which translates to it still using alsa21:34
cowbuddriver as in software not hardware driver21:34
Sergeant_Ponywith pulse audio on the sound meter the bars move up and down... no sound coming from the speakers21:35
cowbudSergeant_Pony: what program are you using?21:35
cowbudto play sound..21:35
Sergeant_PonyrythmnBox21:35
Sergeant_Ponyfor my music cd's21:35
Sergeant_Ponyno sound on websites etc...21:36
cowbudso you go to Sound Preferences via the gnome MEnu and it says Sound Events: OSS or what?21:36
Sergeant_Ponyoss correct21:36
cowbudand when you click on the Sound Playback drop down what are your other options?21:37
Sergeant_Ponycowbud alc861 analog, autodetect, alsa, esd, oss, pulseaudio server21:39
cowbudSergeant_Pony: so when you select pulse audio sound server you get no sound at all?21:39
cowbudeven when you click on test?21:39
Sergeant_Ponynope even on a test21:39
cowbudSergeant_Pony: and I assume you are running hardy right?21:39
sykeI just installed kdewebkit and am now getting a crash when konq starts:21:39
KNYGoogle is telling me "no", but have any of you had any luck getting vmware-server working on 8.04?21:39
Sergeant_Ponycorrect21:39
syke#5  0x00007ff217eeb7b9 in QWebPage::~QWebPage ()21:39
syke   from /usr/lib/libQtWebKit.so.0d21:39
syke#6  0x00007ff218662cce in ?? () from /usr/lib/kde4/lib/kde4/libwebkitkde.so21:39
syke#7  0x00007ff22454397b in KParts::Part::~Part ()21:39
syke   from /usr/lib/kde4/lib/libkparts.so.421:39
syke#8  0x00007ff218662420 in ?? () from /usr/lib/kde4/lib/kde4/libwebkitkde.so21:39
syke#9  0x00007ff22611cda6 in KonqView::switchView ()21:39
cowbudSergeant_Pony: completely up to date?21:40
cowbudsyke: don't paste that in here21:40
Sergeant_Ponycowbud yes 100% up to date21:40
cowbudSergeant_Pony: and you have rebooted recently to have the latest kernel loaded etc etc?21:40
Sergeant_Ponycowbud: yup I'm using the latest kernel21:40
cowbudSergeant_Pony: ps auxwww | grep pulse21:40
cowbudSebastian: run that in a termal and tell me what you get back21:41
cowbudI am looking for something like:  /usr/bin/pulseaudio --log-target=syslog21:41
Sergeant_Pony1000      6605  0.0  0.2   5668  1332 ?        S    13:28   0:00 /usr/lib/pulseaudio/pulse/gconf-helper21:42
Sergeant_Pony1000      9760  0.0  0.1   3008   780 pts/1    S+   16:41   0:00 grep pulse21:42
cowbudSergeant_Pony: type id at the command line21:42
cowbudwhat is your uid?21:42
sykebrb21:42
cowbudit seems weird to me that you are getting uid 1000 in your ps auxwww instead of your username21:43
cowbudalright do this as a regular user: killall -9 pulseaudio21:43
cowbudSergeant_Pony: then run this in the same terminal: /usr/bin/pulseaudio --log-target=syslog21:43
cowbudthat will give us some debugging information21:43
cowbuddon't paste all that here :)21:44
cowbudyou can paste it in #PASTE21:44
Sergeant_Ponylol21:45
cowbudor using a pastebin21:45
sourcemakerI have installed virtualbox but the module is not found... do I need a restart of system or should I compile the module from source21:49
geniehosthello all21:49
geniehostI am trying to install Ubuntu 8.4 on dell Latitude D830, but I get the following error: cannot find root fs21:50
geniehosthow can I install it?21:50
xtknightanyone else have issues with the trash icon?  shows full when trash is empty?21:51
xtknightive seemed to have these since dapper, at least21:51
geniehostsome times yes21:51
geniehostjust delete any things and empty it and this will fix it21:52
DensuXxtknight: nope my trash applet works fine.21:52
xtknightwell i emptied it but it shows full21:52
geniehostfirst delete any file21:52
geniehostthen empty it21:52
geniehostthis should fix it21:52
xtknighto21:52
DensuX:)21:52
xtknightnope i tried deleing something else21:53
xtknightand emptying, but still the same issue21:53
geniehostthen remove it from the menu and add it again21:53
xtknightthere we go21:53
geniehostI am trying to install Ubuntu 8.4 on dell Latitude D830, but I get the following error: cannot find root fs - any idea?21:54
orvokki!info firefox21:54
ubotufirefox (source: firefox-3.0): meta package for the popular mozilla web browser. In component main, is optional. Version 3.0~b4+nobinonly-0ubuntu1 (hardy), package size 61 kB, installed size 116 kB21:54
charles__anyone have an issue where installing todays updates deleted firefox?21:54
billisnicei did21:55
billisnicelol21:55
orvokkiDeleted? o.O21:55
_siddcharles__: Yea. I had the same thing happen.21:55
xtknightoh really?21:55
xtknightdamn21:55
orvokkiIt just updated Firefox for me.21:55
billisnicelots of bugs, i am sure they will iron them out21:55
xtknighti was just about to press 'y' on upgrade21:55
xtknight:)21:55
charles___sidd, how did you get around it?21:55
derspankstercharles_: not an issue, a feature21:55
orvokkiOr tried to anyway.21:55
geniehostI am trying to install Ubuntu 8.4 on dell Latitude D830, but I get the following error: cannot find root fs - any idea?21:55
eljefeHow smart is Kubuntu dist-upgrade to Hardy?  All of my previous dist-upgrades (well, Adept version upgrades) have always been a desaster...21:55
charles__derspankster, how so?21:55
orvokkiHmm, appears the update was broken.21:55
orvokkiGoody, goody.21:55
bluefoxxi am having trouble with my network.21:55
bluefoxxi can't connect with my onboard ethernet and it wont be recognized. i have to disable it in the bios to get anything to connect, and now am using a PCI adaptor.21:55
_siddcharles__:  I just reinstalled it sudo aptitude install firefox21:55
billisnicethe update put a firefox in the panel and i could not open firefox21:56
derspanksterFF3?21:56
billisniceyep, version 321:56
charles___sidd, ah ok, I guess they changed firefox3 to just firefox21:56
derspanksterI'm back to FF2, 3 is too buggy21:56
_siddcharles__: Yea... that's my guess... and after reinstalling, it seems to be working okay.21:57
xtknightit didn't screw up my FF21:57
geniehostI am trying to install Ubuntu 8.4 on dell Latitude D830, but I get the following error: cannot find root fs - any idea?21:57
derspankstercharles_: what version is reported?21:57
orvokkifirefox == Version: 3.0~b5+nobinonly-0ubuntu121:57
xtknighti just have an updated ff3 b5 now21:57
bluefoxxim also finding that i have to open synaptic twice before it will ask for my password21:57
DensuXgeniehost: when do you get this error?21:57
orvokkixtknight: Tried starting it?21:57
xtknightorvokki, yea21:57
orvokkixtknight: It's broken for me.21:57
mpoz2Which is the official place for Laptop/PowerManagement configuration? /etc/acpi, /etc/pm, /etc/laptop-mode or gnome-power-manager's gconf-settings? I'm confused. Where should I put my scripts. Which does Hardy run by default?21:57
geniehosttoday21:57
billisnicelots of bugs in today updates21:57
xtknightorvokki, no problems hre21:57
geniehostDensuX, today21:58
bluefoxxanother thing: i can only boot properly from the generic kernel now21:58
xtknightand my profile is still intact21:58
DensuXgeniehost: During install or during boot?21:58
bluefoxxand my updates are still broken21:58
geniehostDensuX, installation21:58
xtknightmaybe they just updated firefox again?21:58
xtknighti installed updates 5 secs ago21:58
DensuXgeniehost: How did you partition your hard drives?21:58
orvokkixtknight: Ah, right. Seems I forgot Firefox running during the upgrade.22:00
orvokkiThat causes the problems22:00
geniehostDensuX, 2 partition one for windows other one for Linux22:00
DensuXgeniehost: Did u manually partition or did you chose one of the standard options provided by ubuntu?22:01
derspanksterI find no FF updates22:01
bluefoxxis airsnort in the repos?22:01
sourcemakerVirtualbox does not work in hardy... can't load the module... what's wrong22:02
gluercoz: 8.04 lts beta?22:02
geniehostDensuX, i am not reaching to partitioning22:02
geniehostDensuX, first screen which chossing install Ubuntu then the error msg will come22:03
orvokkiAh, for God's sake. FF3 b5 broke even more extensions.22:03
DensuXgeniehost: ah22:03
sourcemakerNo suitable module for running kernel found, but the modules are installed... do I need a restart?22:03
derspanksterorvokki: not surprised22:03
geniehostDensuX, any Idea?22:04
orvokkiHmm, anyone remember how to get FF3 to ignore compatibility checks and just try to use the extensions?22:04
DensuXgeniehost: maybe try checking the cd image. If it can't load the root file system it's likely that the image may be corrupt or the disk might dirty or scratched. Not sure thought but first try making sure the disk is working properly22:05
samii´m wondering what might be wrong with my hardy heron, because it still keep crashing all the time. i´m not sure what program cause it.. any ideas?22:05
samieverything else is frozen but my mouse.. i can get to login screen when i press ctrl+sysrq+k combination..22:08
ryanzecare there any plan to move alsa 1.0.16 to ubuntu 8.04, I know i need to manually download and compile it to get my sound card to properly work?22:08
orvokkiRight, solved now.22:09
sourcemaker!virtualbox22:11
ubotuvirtualbox is a x86 !virtualizer. A !free edition is available in !Gutsy as 'virtualbox-ose'. A non-free edition is available at http://virtualbox.org for most Ubuntu releases (help in #vbox) - Setup details at https://help.ubuntu.com/community/VirtualBox22:11
charles__is hardy actually planning on releasing with a beta version of firefox?22:13
geniehostDensuX, I try to install it in my desktop and works fine22:13
bluefoxxwhat should i use for a ralink rt2460p pci wifi card? 802.11b protocol22:13
geniehostDensuX, but with Laptop now working22:13
DensuXgeniehost: it's working now?22:14
geniehostDensuX, in laptop still getting same error22:14
geniehostDensuX, but on Desktop pc working22:14
DensuXgeniehost: so after you select the install option on your laptop you get the error22:14
geniehostjust when I do install22:15
geniehostDensuX, I got error after some times22:15
geniehostDensuX, I cannot login in Live Session22:16
geniehostDensuX, bez error come before Live Session22:16
DensuXgeniehost: weird22:16
bluefoxxok, why can't i friggen install wireshark now?22:17
geniehostDensuX, I try to change Harddisk mode from SATA2 to ATA but sillt same error22:17
geniehostDensuX, I am talking about changing the mode from Laptop BIOS22:17
DensuXgeniehost: Well I haven't got a clue what might be causing it then. Try to google the error. maybe you will find an answer on there. Sorry that I can't be of more help.22:18
geniehostDensuX, thank you very much ;-)22:19
DensuXgeniehost: np :D22:19
geniehostDensuX, I appreciate your help ;-)22:19
crimsunif ryanzec comes in again, he should be aware that 1.0.16 already is in 8.0422:20
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Meshezabeelhas the firefox uninstall when updating been fixed yet?22:35
frarocohello everybody, I've updated ubuntu and I do not know that happened but firefox now does not open hotmail ... !!!22:36
dapiz987hotmail does not work properly with firefox 3 beta 422:37
dapiz987whis is what comes with 8.04 beta22:37
dapiz987is this what you have?22:37
cowbudb5 is already out22:37
dapiz987i know22:37
cowbudso hopefully that will fix it22:38
cowbudheh22:38
dapiz9878.04 ships with b422:38
cowbudfile an urgent bug22:38
cowbudif b5 fixes it22:38
dapiz987it dosnt, lol, i tried it on my windows machine22:38
cowbudah hah22:38
cowbudtry downloading the agent changer I bet it'll work fine then ;)22:38
dapiz987any way, 8.04 also comes with firefox 2 (just in case), you can get to it by going to applications>internet>firefox 2 (assuming you are using gnome)22:39
frarocodapiz987, how can i update to b5'22:40
fraroco?22:40
xtknightorvokki, ya i closed my ff prior to update.  that's why22:40
frarococowbud, how can I update to b5?22:40
dapiz987im working on the b5 update myself22:40
dapiz987i have the files, but i cant get them to compile22:40
frarocodapiz987, ok ...22:41
cowbudfraroco: I didn't know they froze it I figured an update would come through the pipelines you can download the binary and run it :)22:41
frarocoIll try!22:41
derspanksterfraroco: close FF2 and get FF3 B5 with synaptic22:41
dapiz987if you get it to work, id like you to tell me how though. heh22:41
frarocoderspankster, I do nothave ff2 ... I have ff3 b4 ... and Synaptic does not have any update for ff22:42
DG19075Just installed it here to my /home directory and copied/pastted my links to Java from the earlier beta to make it work in this one22:42
frarocodapiz987, I ll :)22:42
derspanksterI found  FF3 B5 in synaptic22:43
dapiz987i will check if b5 is in the repositories, ill ley u kno if it is, hold on a sec22:43
dapiz987**let22:43
DG19075Let's hope the Java problem is fixed22:43
KNYanyone around that would be able to help me with virtualization? (since vmware-server doesn't work in 8.04)22:43
derspanksterjava is fixed in B5 for me22:43
dapiz987i can't find it, are you sure its there?22:44
yoandyhi, i have a problem with 8.04 and bcm94311rev02, first i could see wifis thro nm, after last update it doesn't detect the card, any advice plz?22:45
dapiz987yoandy, do you mean it didn't work after update to 8.04, or it did work with 8.04 and now it dosnt?22:47
yoandydapiz987: i mean: i updated to 8.04, could see APs but not connect, after las 8.04 update, hardy does not detect the b9431122:49
dapiz987derspankster, what was the exact package name of ff3 b5 in synaptic?22:49
towlie_who here is who here is running 8.04 on a laptop22:50
dapiz987me22:50
frarocodapiz987, FF3 b5 does not be in synaptic22:50
towlie_have you used power management ?22:50
dapiz987yoandy, sorry i cant help with that22:50
yoandydapiz987: my english is not very good, sorry if i didn't myself clear enought22:50
dapiz987towlie_, yes22:50
towlie_dapiz987, and have you had any problems with suspend on 8.04 ?22:50
yoandydapiz987: any hints? any thing!22:50
xtknighti no longer get flashes on my taskbar when someone replies in an IM.  anyone else have this trouble?22:51
xtknightregression from gutsy22:51
frarocodapiz987, yUUUJUUUUU22:51
dapiz987no problems with suspend, but hibernate and monitor power off dont work22:51
towlie_damn22:51
towlie_i wouldve thought that these problems would be fixed by now22:51
frarocothe upgrade of FF3 is now in the repositories ... ...22:51
towlie_dapiz987, when i say suspend i mean when you close the lid of the laptop the screen shuts off and the system goes into suspend mode22:52
dapiz987sorry yoandy, i can only help if i didnt work from the start22:52
dapiz987if IT didnt work...****22:53
derspanksterdapiz987: 3.0~b5+nobinonly-022:53
yoandydapiz987: well, at least i could see APs, after last update ... not even that22:54
dapiz987hmm, thats not in mine22:54
derspanksterdapiz987: got FF2?22:54
dapiz987towlie_, that works fine for me22:55
dapiz987derspankster, yes22:55
derspanksterdapiz987: hmmm, well, then, you got me22:55
dapiz987lol, my pc is like that :)22:55
derspanksterdapiz987: I have both 2 and 3B522:56
dapiz987i have ff2 and 3b422:56
yoandyhow can i get ubuntu recognizes a piece of hardware?22:56
=== jacobmp92 is now known as jacob
dapiz987to see if it does, or to make it?22:56
DG19075has FF2 and 3b522:57
derspanksterdapiz987: recent update removed B4 for me and then I installed B522:57
dapiz987hmm22:57
sliptteeshardy released in shipit ?22:57
dapiz987i just updated about an hour ago22:57
yoandyto make it!, i can see it doesnt22:57
dapiz987what bus does your wireless card use?22:58
derspankstersliptees: look and see22:58
dapiz987usb, pci, pcmcia22:58
omarIs there a way I can log on as root outside the terminal?22:58
yoandywell i can see it tro lspci, so i guess its pci22:58
dapiz987im really sorry yoandy, as i said, i can only help if it hasnt worked from the start23:00
dapiz987as far as i know, updates do not remove drivers, lol23:00
dapiz987this may seem stupid, but have you tried unpluging and repluging it?23:00
towlie_ive already got my system configured how i like it, especially with compiz fusion. is it possible to upgrade to 8.04 and keep all my settings ?23:01
yoandydapiz987: tecnically :) it doesnt worked from the start, jejje, i could just see APs but could never connect :)23:01
yoandydapiz987: the driver its there, the module its not loaded at boot, and if i do modprobe b43 it loads, but still no device23:02
dapiz987towlie_, i did, with 7.10 running, i just inserted the 8.04 cd, it asked if i would like to upgrade23:02
towlie_did u have compiz fusion installed on 7.10 ?23:02
dapiz987yoandy, really cant help ya, sorry23:02
yoandydapiz987: ok, no problem.23:03
dapiz987i did, but it was not enabled23:03
dapiz987i am really sorry yoandy23:03
dapiz987:)23:03
dapiz987towlie_, i had used compiz fusion with 7.10, but i disabled it about a month before i upgraded23:05
yoandydapiz987: just for curio... what stop you from helping on a issue since it first "worked" and not now?, just curiosity23:05
miis some get error when u boot windows some dll files broken?23:05
Melchanyone one know why after a period of time I lose the ability to sleep?23:05
towlie_i love compiz. its the main reason why i installed ubuntu on my macbook23:05
Melchtowlie can u sleep?23:05
MelchI have ubuntu on my macbook23:06
towlie_no23:06
yoandyMelch: i can sleep23:06
towlie_when i close the lid it doesnt sleep23:06
towlie_the fan still spins23:06
cowbudbugs been filed?23:06
towlie_and when i open the lid it doesnt resume23:06
Melchyoandy can you help me out?23:06
dapiz987yoandy, because i might be able to help you find and install a driver, but i cant diagnose the problem for crap if it just stops working23:06
yoandywell, i not an expert, but ... shut23:06
Melchyoandy what kind of macbook do u have23:07
Melchalso does it consitantly go to sleep23:07
towlie_i have a 2.16ghz 2gb ram macbook pro23:07
Melchmy macbook pro sleeps for a bit and then will randomly stop working23:07
yoandyMelch: oh, sorry!!, my its not a macbook,23:07
Melchdid u do anything to enable it23:07
Melchyoandy what do u have23:08
towlie_is the beta stable enough to be usable ?23:08
MelchI use the beta and love it23:08
yoandyhp pavilion dv664523:08
Melchexcept for this sleep problem23:08
dapiz987towlie_, i find it plenty stable23:08
Melchwell thanks toandy23:08
dapiz987it does have sleep and hibernate issues23:08
towlie_and once the final is out, is it easy to upgrade from the beta to the final version23:08
dapiz987it was from 7.10 beta to 7.1023:09
Melchtowlie_ did your macbook start sleeping out of the box?23:09
dapiz987ive used ubuntu since 5.04, lol23:09
towlie_melch it doesnt sleep23:10
* slipttees using 4.1023:10
ZambeziOkay, I might be a little late, but FF3b4 crashes when I print, but not Opera.23:10
ZambeziAnyone with same experience?23:10
xtknightZambezi, ya ive had that happen23:11
xtknightknown bug i think23:11
dapiz987that reminds me, anybody have problems using a windows networked printer?23:11
dapiz987worked fine in 7.10 with the same setup, but now it dosnt23:12
dapiz987it is set up like this: EPSON r200 > windows pc > router > my linux pc23:13
dapiz987not a direct network printer23:13
yoandydapiz987: ok, i undestood, thanks any way man, dont worry, sometime eventually, broadcom problem will get fixed, keep helping all those that u can! :)23:13
Zambezixtknight: Good. Hope they fix it soon.23:13
dapiz987no problem, once again, i am very sorry i couldnt help23:14
dapiz987i got a prisim 2 lol23:14
ZambeziI just use Cups, but now directly connected to my computer.23:14
derspanksterdapiz987: you have a broadcom problem?23:15
dapiz987no23:15
ZambeziBut FF3b4 is crashing alot.23:15
yoandyderspankster: its me23:15
yoandyderspankster: i do23:15
dapiz987every time i search for the network printer, it just dosnt show up.....23:15
yoandyderspankster: can you help? i can explain! jejeje23:16
derspanksteryoandy: you might want to take a look at this: http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=737549&highlight=hardy23:16
yoandyderspankster: ok, lets see23:16
derspanksteryoandy: it worked for me23:17
yoandyderspankster: my its 94311 rev 02, yours?23:17
xtknightanyone noticed pidgin doesnt flash on taskbar anymore?  really frustrating23:18
derspanksteryoandy: your broadcom? Mines a 431823:18
dapiz987ya, dosnt for me either, bugs me too23:18
yoandyxtknight: for me it keeps flashing23:18
xtknighto23:19
xtknightweird23:19
yoandyderspankster: ok, it may not work for me since is a differente model/revision, any way im reading23:19
dapiz987towlie_ u still there?23:19
derspanksteryoandy: it can't hurt - much23:20
yoandyxtknight: do you have "message notification" plugin active? im not sure if flashing its done that way, but maybe23:21
f0rmatcan anyone tell me how to fix a permission problem i have i can access the folder /home/f0rmat from another account which has no sudo rights23:21
misome1 get this error in dual boot -hal.dll error23:22
xtknightyoandy, i dont know but it worked by default on gutsy.  seems silly to be disabled by default anyways so i filed a bug23:22
dapiz987did you set ALL permissions to read and write?23:22
towlie_dapiz987, yea23:22
xtknightpeople with pidgin flash problems please Confirm Bug 212546 for me23:22
ubotuLaunchpad bug 212546 in pidgin "pidgin no longer flashes/notifies on taskbar upon receipt of message" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/21254623:22
dapiz987towlie_, you said you were wondering if you wanted to upgrade to 8.04?23:23
towlie_dapiz987, yes23:23
f0rmat( su - lfs23:23
f0rmatPassword:23:23
f0rmatNo directory, logging in with HOME=/23:23
f0rmat)23:23
dapiz987do you have an nvidia geforce go?23:23
towlie_dapiz987, who me ?23:23
dapiz987yes23:23
towlie_dapiz987, no im on a macbook pro23:24
dapiz987ok nevermind then23:24
Zambezif0rmat: Do you know what a repo is?23:24
towlie_they have integrated ati23:24
yoandydapiz987: i hace an nvidia geforce go, whats with that?23:24
f0rmatyes repository23:24
Zambezif0rmat: Yes, but what is it and how do you change it?23:24
f0rmathow to change a repository :S23:25
dapiz987jus gunna tell towlie_ that they fixed the mobile screen blackout problem23:25
f0rmati dunno23:25
f0rmati am trying to make one myself23:25
yoandydapiz987: oh, ok, great! :)23:25
f0rmatbut i am having chmod troubles23:25
Zambezif0rmat: Then Hardy isn't a good choice for you...23:25
dapiz987dod you have that problem with 7.10?23:25
f0rmatpeople having access to every account without password23:25
dapiz987*did23:25
f0rmatchmod should be the same with every distro23:26
ImmersionHey everyone. Could anyone tell me why I can't edit /etc/modprobe.d/alsa-base?23:26
Zambezif0rmat: Hardy require more patient, more time, effort and knowlegde. So if you're sticking with it, be prepared that something would work normally in Gutsy, won't in Hardy.23:26
penhow to change the system input method?23:26
f0rmatbut they didn't work in gutsy23:27
f0rmat:S23:27
yoandydapiz987: nope, no problem with my nvidia on 7.10, but it great to hear a problem got fixed.23:27
penor AKA default input method23:27
f0rmati used to be able to access other peoples home folders without sudo23:27
yoandy*its23:28
dapiz987yoandy, what the problem was, was that as soon as you installed the nvidia drivers and restarted, the screen would be black and you needed to manually edit xorg.conf23:28
throeso this is the hardy heron place?23:29
stefgthroe: /topic :-)23:29
yoandydapiz987: mmm i dont remember having such a prob.23:29
throeyeh...23:30
dapiz987u got lucky! :) it was a common problem lol23:30
dapiz987anyway, i gotta take off23:30
dapiz987see everyone later23:30
throeHow come i no longer am able to use roaming mode with my wireless i hardy, whilst working perfectly well in gutsy23:30
stefgthroe: /topic :-)23:31
cowbudand file bugs about anything like that!23:31
marex_v2hi, when I try to boot up hardy it crashes and shows me something like that [...] saa7134[0]/alsa: saa7134[0] at 0x...... irq 17 registered as card -2 (newline) [...] BUG: unable to handle kernel NULL pointer dereference at virtual address 0000001 followed by debugging output and a call trace23:31
yoandydapiz987: well my luck is running out23:31
throeWhat do you mean, "topic?"23:31
throei got a dumb question and I should rtfm?23:31
throe:P23:31
stefgthroe: hardy isn't ready, not all restricted drivers necessary for wifi may be in place23:32
throeoh23:32
stefgthroe: /topic :-)23:32
stefgsee what i mean?23:32
throeso thats the reason23:32
ImmersionHey everyone. Could anyone tell me why I can't edit /etc/modprobe.d/alsa-base?23:32
throemakes sense i guess23:33
yoandyon last kernel update (2.6.24.15) i was hoping my card got working, but no, it got worst!23:33
throewell i can perfectly well use my wifi23:33
throejust not roaming mode23:33
yoandythroe: what card?23:34
stefgthroe: so network manager might still have issues.23:34
yoandythroe: mines bcm94311 rev 0223:34
throehow do i check my card?23:34
throei know it is cisco systems23:34
throebut not the model23:34
yoandymmm lspci | grep Network23:35
throeany cmd i can enter?23:35
erichjis firefox broken for anyone else after latest update?23:35
LibertyShadowerichj, YES23:36
throewhen i  right click the nm-applet i cannot press Enable Wireless23:36
Turskino23:36
Turskifirefox works fine and updated fine for me23:36
yoandyerichj: not mine23:36
Turskii updated just few minutes ago23:36
erichjhmm, i can only get to other sites by clicking a link, the address bar doesn't work. also, about firefox is empty when you click on it23:37
erichjgoogle search box is broken as well23:37
ImmersionAnyone know any information about the Macbook's Intel HDA-Based Inetgrated Chipset, such as how to get it working on Hardy?23:37
erichjhttp://bugs.launchpad.net/   ---this is so I can actually go to the site.23:37
stefgerichj: try a fresh profile (and use default theme)23:38
LibertyShadowway long time ago I saw a crack with Immersion attached to it :D23:38
TurskiImmersion: doesn't it work without anything special?23:38
throeGuess...ill just have to wait then23:38
ImmersionWell it's not playing through Amarok.23:38
TurskiI think HDA-based chips should work easily23:38
ImmersionLibertyshadow, Wasn't me lol. :-P23:38
LibertyShadowJust sayin23:39
jaffarkelshaccan i adjust my lcd brightness on my laptop through terminal. i lost the control after the last kernal update23:39
TurskiImmersion: are you sure there isn't anything muted?23:39
ImmersionTurski, It's not working in Amarok or VNC.23:39
Turski:S23:40
erichjstefg:  any menu option that pops up another window comes up empty23:40
ImmersionNot in Ubuntu.23:40
Turskido you know what chip it is?23:40
ImmersionTurski, is it possible that my other boot is on mute and is making my sound not work?23:40
Turskieh...?23:40
Turskidoes it show up in lspci?23:40
ImmersionDunno what that is :-/23:41
Turskijust type lspci23:41
Immersion*very* recent OS X convert.23:41
Turskiare you in ubuntu now?23:41
LibertyShadowerichj, just fixed firefox23:41
dotechlspci is in os x too :)23:41
Turskioh23:41
stefgerichj: so the chrome is broken... incompatible themes/addons.. FF3 makes much more use of gtk themes, so a broken gtk theme might also make trouble. use all the default themes in gnome and FF and try a fresh profile w/o any addons23:41
ImmersionI never used terminal in OSX :-/23:41
Turskiuse now ;)23:41
erichjstefg: I am using default everything23:42
ImmersionTurski: sudo apt-get install build-essential autoconf automake23:42
ImmersionOpps23:42
Turski...23:42
erichjstefg: how do I use another profile if I can't use any of the menus?23:42
ImmersionTurski: 00:1b.0 Audio device: Intel Corporation 82801H (ICH8 Family) HD Audio Controller (rev 03)23:42
stefgerichj: run firefox -p from terminal and add a new one23:43
Turskiyeh... i think that should work fine23:43
crimsunImmersion: are you using GNOME or KDE?23:43
erichjstefg: thanks23:43
Turskii have 00:1b.0 Audio device: Intel Corporation 82801I (ICH9 Family) HD Audio Controller (rev 02)23:43
crimsunTurski: there's not enough info to be able to tell yet ;)23:43
ImmersionCrimsun: gnome23:43
TurskiImmersion: but are you in osx or ubuntu now?23:43
ImmersionUbuntu'23:44
crimsunTurski: the relevant information is the SSID, not that line.  (You'd need `lspci -nv|grep -A1 040[13]')23:44
dotechSirius radio doesn't work in FFX3 :\23:44
dotechat least not for me23:44
crimsunImmersion: please open a Terminal  (Applications> Accessories> Terminal)23:44
dotechi wonder if opera works23:44
stefgerichj: scratch that... doesn't work23:44
Immersioncrimsun, I'm there.23:44
TurskiImmersion: so are you sure there isn't anything muted in mixer?23:45
crimsunImmersion: now type:  ps -C pulseaudio23:45
erichjstefg: actually it did work23:45
stefgerichj: rather run firefox -safe-mode23:45
ImmersionCrimsun, Typed it, do you want the output?23:45
crimsunImmersion: just the last line23:45
ImmersionTurski: Nothings muted. :-/23:45
Immersion 5726 ?        00:00:01 pulseaudio23:46
stefgerichj: strange ... no profile manager was popping up on my box... as it used to with FF2. But on the other hand my FF works just fine23:46
erichjstefg: I found the issue. after the update I restarted firefox but the process didn't end. so it was still running beta 4 instead of beta 5. I just killed the process and everything is working great now23:46
crimsunImmersion: ok, now type: paplay /usr/share/sounds/*up.wav23:46
ImmersionCrimsun, It ran for a few seconds, no sound.23:47
Thib_hi folks23:47
crimsunImmersion: ok, now type: wget http://hg.alsa-project.org/alsa/raw-file/tip/alsa-info.sh && bash ./alsa-info.sh23:48
Immersioncrimsun, Now, run it?23:48
crimsunImmersion: if you typed the entire command (including everything after the '&&'), it would have run.23:49
derspanksteryoandy: you ever get anywhere with your card?23:49
Immersioncrimsun, It's doing the "Are you sure you want to run this? [y/n]23:49
crimsunImmersion: say 'y'23:49
Immersioncrimsun, Your ALSA information is located at http://pastebin.ca/97312923:50
dotechcrimsun, if i'm having an issue with a USB decoder should i follow your instructions too?23:51
dotechit plays the ubuntu "Login" sound when i first connect it while ubuntu is running then nothing23:52
crimsundotech: yes.23:52
ImmersionFor the record, crimson, Thank you very much for your help so far.23:52
Immersioncrimsun, rather.23:52
dotechcrimsun, okay thanks, i'll give it shot23:52
crimsunImmersion: which macbook model?23:53
ImmersionJan'08 model, 2.2ghz White23:54
crimsunImmersion: ah, then it needs a quirk23:55
crimsunthat model is too new to be in the ALSA version that Ubuntu Hardy ships currently.23:55
ImmersionOh.23:55
omarGuys, thanks to all of you!23:55
omarI did it! :D23:55
hackeronffmpeg: error while loading shared libraries: libx264.so.54: cannot open shared object file: No such file or directory23:56
crimsunImmersion: out of curiosity, does increasing the 'Surround' level give you audible audio?23:56
Gninebug 20565423:56
ubotuLaunchpad bug 205654 in firefox-3.0 "firefox crashed with SIGSEGV in memcpy()" [Undecided,Invalid] https://launchpad.net/bugs/20565423:56
hackeronthat's what I get on latest hardy when I try to run ffmpeg :(23:56
Gnineshame .. thats what i just got23:56
xtknighthackeron, try running "sudo ldconfig" and try again?23:56
ImmersionCrimsun, I do not see a "Surround" level. But I'm getting no audible sound.23:56
crimsunImmersion: in the Terminal,  amixer set 'Surround' 80%23:57
hackeronxtknight: no change :(23:57
hackeronxtknight: I'm just going to compile it from source I guess23:58
xtknighthackeron, do you have libx264 installed23:58
xtknighthackeron, maybe ffmpeg should Depend on libx264 (a bug)23:58
Immersioncrimsun, I'm not getting any sound. I have VNC playing an mp3 to test.23:58
crimsunImmersion: after you executed that amixer command?23:59
ImmersionYes.23:59
crimsunand do you mean VLC?23:59
crimsunyou should be using that paplay command from before23:59
hackeronxtknight: it does, but I have libx264.so.57 installed, and ffmpeg is compiled for libx264.so.5423:59
ImmersionYes VLC, sorry.23:59
dotechcrimsun, when i run paplay the audio comes from my onboard output, not my usb decoder23:59
xtknighthackeron, did you compile x264 yourself?23:59

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