/srv/irclogs.ubuntu.com/2008/04/05/#ubuntu-ops.txt

tomawJust in case any of you are watching, there are quite a few bots connecting that seem to be trying to join #ubuntu, so I have made it +r00:04
tomawand undone00:17
tomawLjL: you should teach floodbot that +r doesn't stop you speaking, just joining, so messaging the channel on -r is pointless00:18
LjLtomaw: yes, i know that, i had in mind to fix that but i'm lazy :)00:40
tomawhehe00:41
LjLalright, fixed (i think)00:42
LjLtomaw: what were those, the usual turks?00:44
tomawNot sure, but there were *lots* of them00:44
LjLpff, they're out of my backscroll. /me should annoy the konvi developers until they find a way to make scrolling of large text actually work00:45
LjLah yes i see... no that's not the turks' style00:46
LjLand the floodbots didn't move a finger about all those bots?00:46
LjLfrustrating.00:46
LjLgee i'00:54
LjLm drunk. i bit my lip.00:54
mneptokLjL: bite mine next? *eyebat*03:05
* LjL now bites his tongue03:06
ubotuFlannel called the ops in #ubuntu (dalan)05:41
ubotuBHSPitMonkey called the ops in #ubuntu-offtopic ()05:57
ubotuFlannel called the ops in #ubuntu-offtopic (tuntun)05:57
hischildis it possible to get assistance with Cyborg in #ubuntu? he's refusing assistance09:21
ubotuhischild called the ops in #ubuntu ()09:33
Seeker`-13:14:56- :emma : I came in here because there was a rumor that I was banned from here, and I was testing that hypothesis :)13:24
Seeker`In -uk13:24
Hobbseeheh13:26
Hobbseemuch better ways fo doing taht.13:26
PriceChildWe banned her... in order to get her into the channel?13:26
Seeker`PriceChild: It would appear so13:27
Cyborghi14:26
Cyborgunban in #kubuntu channel14:29
PriceChildHey there Cyborg, let me take a look14:31
* PriceChild sighs14:31
Jucatoyes he's very patient :)14:31
nikrudwhat, you haven't done it yet PriceChild 14:31
elkbuntuposthaste!14:31
Jucatowhere's teh bantracker again? :)14:32
PriceChildJucato: /msg ubotu btlogin14:32
JucatoPriceChild: he's *!*@89.32.28.314:32
Jucatooh ok14:32
Jucatohm.. I'm going to act like a noob here... in Konvi's ban list, there are one Set By: douglas.freenode.net... what does that mean?14:33
Seveasit means douglas was restarted after that ban was set and now has no information about who set it14:33
Jucatoah14:34
Seveasit also means that the time at which konvo says the ban was set is wrong14:34
nikrudspeaking of bantracker, ljl set me up in irc-team, but I'm not able to log in. I've been lurking for you Seveas 14:35
PriceChildSorry, only people with a 'c' in their name are allowed on the bantracker.14:35
nikruddoh14:35
=== nikrud is now known as nickrud
JucatoPriceChild: sorry, Cyborg was mine :/14:36
SeveasSorry, only people without a 'c' in their name are allowed on the bantracker.14:36
PriceChildlj.l, elk.y and nal,ioth get in because they are on the council, which has a 'c' in it14:36
* Jucato lost track of it14:36
nickruddoh, doh, doh.14:36
JucatoPriceChild: Cyborg = Kheops... didn' the council deal with him (according to Hobbsee)14:38
PriceChildkheops? aren't you referring to kmos?14:39
HobbseeJucato: wrong nick.14:39
HobbseeJucato: no14:39
Jucatohm..14:39
Jucatoah right.. but Kheops was still a problem :)14:39
Jucatosorry for disturbing Hobbsee :)14:40
HobbseeJucato: np14:40
JucatoKheops was that guy in #kubuntu and ##linux who kept on asking about mounting NTFS, and when he doesn't get an answer or gets an unsatisfactory answer, insults the channel or the person who tried to help him14:41
SeveasPriceChild, http://seveas.net:8001/ (beware, most links are dead but Encyclopedia works)14:44
PriceChildSeveas: I love it!14:45
PriceChildit creates endless possiblities14:46
PriceChild...14:46
PriceChild /msg ubotu2 make me a sandwich14:46
Jucato(forgot sudo? :)14:46
Jucatooh wait, you are its master already :P14:46
PriceChildnot quite yet14:48
nickrudPriceChild you wanna come to ubuntu and deal with your cyborg you let loose on #ubuntu, or should I just ban him agian ;)14:54
hischildoh you're handling it already ... thanks nickrud 14:55
hischildnot attempting to go to the limits here, but what can we (as normal users/helpers) on #ubuntu do, when someone goes out of line? *remembers cyborg*15:28
bod_hi guys, i was shown a really informative site just now, about linux not being windows, e and hischild haulled soe guy out of #ubuntu to #bod_ to try and et him to understand us,.,. he then started braggin about windows, i was wondering if we could have this link --http://linux.oneandoneis2.org/LNW.htm -- into a factoid !lnw15:29
nickrudhischild you did the right thing, coming here.15:29
bod_but we can only tell, warn, threaten then call ops, i think is what hischild eans15:29
* bod_ apologizes about the dodgy buttons on his keyboard15:30
hischildyeah .. that's what i'm wondering about, because earlier today i called !ops on #ubuntu with a noshow from ops15:30
hischildwhich was about cyborg15:30
nickrudsometimes I'm a little slow with the gun, I see a lot of idiots that do get a clue. I'm too softhearted sometimes. 15:30
bod_but tbh ops cant be around all the time,.,.15:30
hischildwith 50 ops? sure there could be one around at a time? but i guess you're right ..15:31
nickruda lot of those ops are not ops in #ubuntu but other channels like -uk or such15:32
hischildi see, that explains a lot. 15:32
bod_dont get me wrong u do a brilliant job, but how about something like a forcefull move, where people with the know-how (people you tell) can make someone join #ubuntu-ops ?15:32
nickrudheh. Others here will see that, bod_ . Maybe the council will consider it.15:33
bod_cool15:33
bod_;~)15:33
bod_theres a council?15:33
hischildwould love to see such a thing implemented :-) 15:33
nickrudhttps://wiki.ubuntu.com/IrcTeam/IrcCouncil15:33
hischildnice doc15:35
bod_indeed,.,. but back to the original question, is there anythin in place that we can do, besides calling the ops?15:36
nickrudnot really. If an op isn't around, you'll just have to /ignore until one does show up.15:36
Seveas!lnw15:40
ubotuWant to know the differences between Windows and Linux? This guide, called "Linux is Not Windows" is a pretty good read -- http://linux.oneandoneis2.org/LNW.htm15:40
Seveas!search lnw15:40
ubotuFound: windows, lnw15:40
Seveas!windows15:40
ubotuFor discussion and help with Microsoft Windows, please visit ##windows. See http://launchpad.net/distros/ubuntu/+bug/1 http://linux.oneandoneis2.org/LNW.htm and /msg ubotu equivalents15:40
hischildSeveas: <3 nice one15:40
bod_cheers ;~)15:41
PriceChildnickrud: erm..... since when did i let cyborg loose on #ubuntu?15:49
nickrudPriceChild looking back, I see it's #kubuntu . Thought you'd unbanned him after his part. 15:50
bod_Ok, we have an idea, how about a room where we can have quiet words with people and try and get them to abide by the coc and rules without having to call you guys, soewhere where we can talk to offenders without clogging the main channel -- #ubuntu-volunteers    #ubuntu-problem   -- what do you think?15:50
nickrudjust wanted to blame someone, I'm from the us15:50
Hobbseebod_: what, ##moderation?15:50
PriceChildnickrud: hehe ok :P I didn't do a thing.15:51
bod_theres no one there Hobbsee 15:51
hischildHobbsee: no, just about ubuntu specific things15:51
PriceChildPM?15:51
Hobbseebod_: there isn't usually15:51
bod_identify not everyone is15:51
bod_PriceChild, ^^15:52
hischildwe can't have a pm conv with everyone, as they usually refuse to register and identify. 15:52
PriceChildyoda if you want to help out in ways like this, then why not set unfiltered on via nickserv?15:52
PriceChildsorry, bod_ ^ ;)15:52
bod_?? ;~)15:52
bod_whats that?15:52
PriceChild /msg nickserv help set unfiltered15:52
hischildheh we learn something new everyday15:53
bod_but that can only be done by those in the know15:54
PriceChildbut those not in the know don't want to help catalyse?15:54
PriceChildyou do, so it might be handy?15:55
bod_ok, so how can i tell if unfiltered is on?15:55
hischild-NickServ- Toggled UnFiltered [ON]15:55
hischildbod_: ^15:55
bod_-NickServ- Toggled UnFiltered [ON]15:55
bod_irc confuses me ;~)15:56
hischildhehe15:56
bod_but a pm is a 1on1 convo,.,. i dont know everythin about the rules as im sure neither does hischild, surely a few people confrontin someone is better then 115:57
bod_we also cannot use factoids in pm's16:02
nickrudthinks move slow in irc-council land, give them some time to ruminate ;)16:05
bod_nickrud, what, uve asked them?16:07
nickrudbod_ they will read what you've written (they often aren't all active at the same time)16:07
bod_nickrud, cool, cheers, are any of them active now?16:08
nickrudbod_ PriceChild is16:09
nickrudor was16:09
bod_wow, theres so much i dont know about this world ;~)16:10
Hobbseebod_: some people get intimidated by multiple poeple tellign them off16:11
LjL-Tempbod_, hischild, either you do something without fuss and use PM, or do it publicly and use this channel, IMHO... what other sort of middle ground are you looking for?16:11
hischildwe're looking for a middle ground, where we can help people without having to bother the ops16:13
LjL-Tempbut public.16:13
hischildyes. 16:13
Hobbseehischild: this doesn't bother the ops16:13
Hobbseehischild: only thing that bothers the ops, per se, is ! ops16:14
hischildHobbsee: i see. alright thanks16:14
Hobbseehischild: this doesn't generate highlights :)16:14
hischildtrue16:15
bod_with a channel we could confront most problems without having to use ! ops 16:15
Hobbseeso, invite them here?16:15
PriceChildYou can always just invite them into random channels created spontaneously.16:15
PriceChildI don't think there's a need for you to set up some new channel, with its own idlers, when this can be used, or pm16:16
=== LjL-Temp is now known as LjL
bod_PriceChild, we did that today,.,. but no ubotu to remid us of the coc -- but i think you make a good point, so i ask only that the forcefull forward to here be thought about, 16:16
PriceChildbut no ubotu to remid us of the coc? /msg ubotu coc16:17
hischildPriceChild: in a pm conv we can't call in ubotu to tell us about the coc16:17
PriceChildhischild: you can, /msg ubotu factoid > target_user16:17
PriceChildthen you tell the user to read the message from ubotu16:17
bod_cant do ! coc | problematicPerson    though -- i admit a channel is a bit much,.,. but i believe the push to here could be very usefull for non-cooperative people16:18
bod_sorry just saw last post16:18
hischildPriceChild: exactly, we have to tell them to read the message, we can't call him in on a conv itself to join in16:18
LjLlook imho if you deem it's something that can be best resolved in PM, then PM, otherwise join here, invite them here, and discuss it. that won't bother the ops, since it's pretty ontopic for this channel.16:24
LjLalthough i wouldn't be quite thrilled by this place becoming a flamewar haven (well, more than it is already), so still join-on-an-as-needed basis16:25
nickrudhaving here will make sure ops have some oversite as well, even if it's delayed16:26
* nickrud needs a remedial grammer lesson16:26
hischildLjL: we're trying to find a way, that we are able to help people who are not willing to listen at first. When possible we'll do that by PM, however Cyborg is an example of a user who refuses to accept help when given. When we can force a user in here you can have an oversight, and the main chan stays more or less clear16:27
LjLhischild, perhaps i've missed something here, but how can anyone force someone into a channel?16:28
bod_that was a proposal i made to a feature that could somehow be implemented16:28
LjLexcept there is no way to implement it16:29
hischildLjL: i think there is. You can redirect people based on hostmask from channels and send them here iirc. 16:29
bod_oh, damn16:29
bod_oh cool16:29
LjLhischild, they can still pretty much refuse to join (there is even a umode just for that)16:29
LjLand anyway you need to be an operator to do that, to begin with...16:30
LjLthat's a ban.16:30
bod_not an operator perse, but someone with a specific op status, could you not have an op who has only 1 power?16:30
hischildif you get a bot to do it for you, we don't need ops. Then set a limited number of folks to be able to do it and we're done16:30
LjLbod_, nope16:30
bod_really,.,.,.,.,.,.oh,.ok,.16:31
LjLhischild, but basically banning is the highest (and most abusable) "power" than an op has.16:32
bod_were not talking about banning anyone?16:33
hischildLjL: i understand. That's why i'm not asking for any user to be given it, but rather a bot. And most of all, not make it permanent. 16:33
LjLif people won't listen when explained things plainly, politely etc, they need to be told the hard way, in any case16:33
LjLbod_: you're talking about banforwarding them to another channel. that's still a ban.16:33
ubotubazhang called the ops in #ubuntu (M_a_Ch_a_K_zR)16:33
bod_LjL, but that ban could be set to be removed the instant the user is moved.16:34
PriceChildI think if we are going to trust someone with this forwarding thing, we would trust them with ops.16:38
PriceChildWe are constantly on the lookout in #ubuntu for prospective new ops and recruit from there.16:39
hischildPriceChild: i understand. 16:39
bod_ok, well thanks guys,.,. cya later16:41
hischildthanks for the thoughts and explanation. Good luck and till soon :-)16:45
LjLif you need ubotwo in channels, please tell me fast, before it stops responding to my commands as usual17:01
Seveasubotu is already coming back :)17:05
Seveassomething's still eating all the memory17:05
* Hobbsee stops munching17:06
ubotuIn ubotu, PriceChild said: no ops-#ubuntuforums is <reply> Help zenrox, byen, frodon, KiwiNZ, zenwhen, jdong, KingBahamut, PriceChild, ubuntugeek, ubuntu_demon, darkmatter, Brunellus, panickedthumb,  jenda, Vorian, MikeB-, k_mandla, bapoumba, HymnToLife, jacob, macogw, bodhi_zazen, LaRoza, Lord_Illidian pmdgandalf or pquarles!17:15
LjLdamn you price17:16
PriceChildYeah well.17:16
LjLccvp in #ubuntu17:38
LjLSeveas: uhm, heppie has joined #gentoo (without spamming, he left) and now -offtopic... besides, the "huygens" ident, isn't that known?17:42
Seveas!staff17:43
ubotuHey nalioth, jenda, rob, SportChick, seanw, Dave2, Christel or Gary,  I could use a bit of your time :)17:43
Seveasheppie is spamming in multiple channels17:43
ubotuIn ubotu, lut4rp said: ubotu, lut4rp is cool19:33
SeveasI am evil20:27
Seveaswith µbot, I can make apache (well, python code run with mod_python) fetch status and info from µbot via dbus. Which is sent out via ajax to a web interface where I can control ubotu2 :)20:28
Seveascould create a mini mibbit this way :)20:30
PriceChildi think i've been confused... µbot isn't ubotu2?20:31
PriceChildubotu2 is just µbot's presence on irc?20:31
jdongdoes irssi have a command for compacting window numbers?20:38
jdongthrough opening and closing of various channels and queries I've gotten quite some holes in my window 9-20 range that I'd like to fill20:39
PriceChildjdong: 'compacting'? And how are you?20:40
jdongPriceChild: I'm alive, got IV'ed some antibiotics and have to continue a 14-day course of oral antibiotics20:40
Seeker`channel defragmentation20:41
jdongPriceChild: the doctor did yell at me because of how close I apparently got to septicemia20:41
jdongwhat Seeker` said20:41
jdongbasically I have like window 9, 11, 16, 21, 22, 2320:41
jdongI want to flatten that to 9, 10, 11, 12, and so on20:41
PriceChild /win move ?20:41
jdongno other way?20:41
PriceChildoh or automatic?20:41
jdongI was hoping for some built-in command20:41
PriceChildso you want the active channels to stay with lower numbers?20:41
jdongright20:42
PriceChildand just do a /rearrange or something and it'll shuffle to do that/20:42
jdongI've actually closed the other channels20:42
jdongright20:42
jdongI thought there's got to be a command for doing that20:42
PriceChildsounds funky... i wouldn't like that though as its then harder to keep track of numbers...20:42
PriceChildwithout using /win list20:42
PriceChildnever heard of it though and i assume you've googled20:42
jdongwell one wouldn't use it all that often20:42
PriceChildjdong: would one not?20:43
jdongPriceChild: I'd assume one wouldn't join and unjoin channels that often20:43
PriceChildjdong: is my queen's english rubbing off on you/20:43
PriceChildinfact, is one's queen's english.....20:43
jdongPriceChild: ha. you used rubbing. *giggle*20:43
PriceChildI almost said 'am i rubbing off on you' then checked myself20:43
jdong:D20:44
jdongWell my work around here is done :)20:44
jdongnow I need to inject my seeds into Fedora :D20:44
SeveasPriceChild, µbot is the name of the software, ubotu2 is a nickname21:10
PriceChildah okies21:11
jdongdoes it do ballet?21:12
PriceChildjdong: completely missed what you said 30 minutes ago somehow... well good you didn't :)21:13
Seveaswazoo21:14
Seveasjoined from the webinterface :)21:14
Seveaswith ajaxness to update the page with the channel info21:14
SeveasI'm good 21:14
PriceChildwoop woop21:15
Seveasmochikit is a pretty nice piece of javascript21:21
Seveasdoesn't get in the way or impose rules, but still gives you a lot of help writing scripts21:23
MezSeveas, that a description of me ? :P21:31
SeveasMez, no, you often do get in the way and are no help at all21:31
SeveasI'd say pretty much the opposite :P21:32
* Mez gives plenty of help writing scripts21:32
Mezbut yeah, I do get in the way21:32
Mezwell, maybe not you, but I21:34
Mezve helped out LjL quite a bit21:34
jdong16:34 -!- emma [n=emma@unaffiliated/emma] has left #ubuntuforums ["Someone  please send me a PM."]21:35
jdongI'm gonna BF her into here to get that quit message changed. Anyone object?21:35
Seveasmuha!21:36
* jdong imagines Seveas clicking the online/offline button madly21:36
Seveasthe control page can now make it part and join21:37
Seveaswhat else does one nee?21:37
Seveasneed21:37
PriceChildjdong: no problem with that given the reasons for the ban in #ubuntu-ops21:43
PriceChildjdong: however I would appreciate you speaking to her if around.21:43
MezSeveas, you live in Amsterdam right ?21:44
jdongPriceChild: well since you seem to have had recent contact with her, can you just ask her to stop soliciting PMs in her /quit message?21:44
SeveasMez, no, I just work there21:44
PriceChildjdong: will try21:45
MezSeveas, ah, well, it's not hard for you to get there. I should be there for a conference in June if you fancy going for a drink ?21:45
Seveaswhat kind of conference? :)21:45
MezSeveas, http://www.phpconference.nl21:45
Seveasah, php, yuck :)21:46
Seveasbut drinks sounds good :)21:46
Mezhehe, work are paying for it, and I did help run the UK counterpart21:47
MezSeveas, cool, well I'll speak to you closer to the date ;)21:49
PriceChildjdong: she agreed to change it as a goodwill gesture to show she would like to cooperate.21:58
PriceChildsorry, be cooperative wherever that is possible21:58
LjLjdong, i don't object but err22:00
bod_hey, whenever i try to post anything in #ubuntu-offtopic i et this message       #ubuntu-offtopic :Cannot send to channel      am i banned or something?22:07
PriceChildbod_: lemme take a look22:08
bod_thankyou22:08
Seveasyou are muted22:08
Seveasany idea why?22:09
bod_ah, how do i become un-muted?22:09
bod_no22:09
SeveasI muted you march 12th apparently22:09
bod_damn you,.lol,. why?22:10
MezSeveas, as well as drinks - GPG signing ? :P22:10
SeveasMez, sure22:10
Seveasneed to print out some more fingerprintslips22:10
bod_Seveas, can i be un-muted plz ? ;~)22:11
Seveasbod_, you were repeating the word egg and nothing else22:11
bod_oh, sorry22:11
Seveasin a discussion about which came first :)22:11
bod_lol,. must of been a fun night ;~)22:11
MezSeveas, I'll probably just bring the laptop will be easier ;)22:12
Mezhehe22:12
Mezegg22:12
bod_cheers Seveas 22:12
bod_cya ,. (egg)22:13
jdongPriceChild: ok, sounds good (wrt. emma)22:49

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