[00:00] <zoredache> ok
[00:00] <Iskr> anyway
[00:01] <TheSheep> Iskr: you have pretty bad luck
[00:01] <Iskr> why?
[00:01] <zoredache> that is the eternal questio isn't it
[00:01] <TheSheep> Iskr: first aptitude, then you stumle on that i810 bug
[00:01] <Iskr> (how can i disable sound on login screen?)
[00:01] <Iskr> TheSheep, oh yes
[00:01] <Iskr> and you don't know
[00:02] <Iskr> all the other problems
[00:02] <TheSheep> Iskr: setings->login window settings
[00:02] <Iskr> during the installation
[00:02] <Iskr> then xfce has this nasty thing
[00:02] <Iskr> of setting windows not properly sized
[00:02] <TheSheep> Oo)
[00:02] <Iskr> have you ever noticed it?
[00:02] <Iskr> even if i maximize
[00:02] <TheSheep> no?
[00:03] <Iskr> it just doesn't seem to know how to stand on top of panel
[00:03] <TheSheep> try the margins in workspace and margins settings
[00:04] <Iskr> i'll try thanks
[00:04] <TheSheep> but it should never cover panels if they have 'fixed' position
[00:04] <Iskr> yes panel are fixed
[00:04] <Iskr> and it doesn't cover the panel
[00:04] <Iskr> is the panel that is up
[00:04] <TheSheep> that's good
[00:05] <Iskr> covering the window
[00:05] <TheSheep> that's no good
[00:05] <Iskr> it isn't
[00:06] <TheSheep> works for me :/
[00:06] <TheSheep> are you sure the top panel is fixed too?
[00:06] <Iskr> i have no top panel
[00:06] <Iskr> i removed it
[00:06] <Iskr> i have only the bottom one that is fixed
[00:06] <Iskr> anyway just for the record
[00:07] <Iskr> xfce seems to work quite well
[00:07] <Iskr> with a 128 mb ram system
[00:07] <TheSheep> ah, it's the eee
[00:08] <Iskr> now i'll tell you also what percentage of ram is required by the desktop environment alone
[00:08] <Iskr> The-Sheep?
[00:08] <Iskr> pardon
[00:08] <Iskr> TheSheep, ?
[00:08] <TheSheep> I was considering buing eee for some time
[00:08] <Iskr> eee=eeepc?
[00:08] <TheSheep> asus eee
[00:08] <TheSheep> no?
[00:08] <Iskr> no it isn't
[00:09] <Iskr> it's an acer travelmate
[00:09] <Iskr> 612t
[00:09] <TheSheep> ok
[00:09] <Iskr> tx
[00:09] <TheSheep> right, eee wouldn't use i810 :)
[00:09] <TheSheep> I thin I got you confused with Taza
[00:10] <Iskr> the desktop environment alone
[00:10] <Iskr> uses 40% of ram
[00:10] <Iskr> and 10% of swap
[00:10] <Taza> My Eee has 2gb of RAM btw. :P
[00:10] <TheSheep> Taza: just like the lappy I bought finally instead of eee :)
[00:10] <Taza> RAM is the only part that's both easily upgradeable and cheap
[00:11] <TheSheep> Taza: out of curiosity, I've heard that part of the eee's disk is read only?
[00:11] <TheSheep> Taza: is that true?
[00:11] <Taza> TheSheep: Depends on which model you get.
[00:12] <Taza> The SDHC card reader operates in read-only mode for some models.
[00:12] <Taza> The internal disk is always fully usable
[00:12] <Taza> And you can write the SDHC fine with an external reader
[00:13] <TheSheep> Taza: ah, great, I've heard somewhere that the system part was read only, so if you wanted to install your own system you had to do it at the cost of your home
[00:13] <Taza> TheSheep: No problem whatsoever as long as you wipe the disk first
[00:13] <TheSheep> I see
[00:13] <Taza> As in, repartition
[00:14] <TheSheep> Taza: isn't the screen too small? how about the keyboard?
[00:14] <Taza> The original partitions are like that but fdisk fixes that in ten seconds
[00:14] <Taza> The screen is a bit too small, the keyboard is just fine
[00:14] <TheSheep> I've read in Humane Interface that 9" is actually optimal for reading
[00:14] <Taza> It could be larger sure
[00:15] <TheSheep> ee is 7", I think
[00:15] <Taza> But I got one now because something better is always waiting behind the corner.
[00:15] <Iskr> is "add/remove" the same thing of synaptic?
[00:15] <Iskr> or it's another apt-get vs aptitude issue?
[00:15] <TheSheep> Iskr: yes, just with nicer descriptions and icons
[00:15] <TheSheep> Iskr: all ubuntu gui tools use synaptic
[00:16] <Iskr> thanks
[00:16] <Iskr> well i just can't believe
[00:17] <Iskr> that it installed gnome
[00:17] <Iskr> who told it to do that?
[00:17] <TheSheep> it probably had some gnome app in recommendations for something
[00:17] <TheSheep> be glad it's not kde
[00:17] <Iskr> well some gnome app
[00:17] <Iskr> not ALL GNOME
[00:18] <Iskr> i want xfce and it installs xfce AND gnome O.o
[00:18] <TheSheep> well, the app would depend on gnome ibs that would then have rest of gnome in recommendations...
[00:18] <Iskr> i see...
[00:19] <TheSheep> yay, starting xawtv crashes my X :D
[00:20] <Iskr> lol
[00:22] <Jimbo_> I just tried the 8.04 beta. I wish I had read up a bit more before hand because I dunno if the stuff that dont work is a bug or just something thats not gotten finsihed yet
[00:23] <TheSheep> Jimbo_: what doesn't work?
[00:23] <TheSheep> Jimbo_: it's a beta, everythin should work generally
[00:24] <Jimbo_> it wont mount my windows partitions like 7.10 did automatically
[00:25] <TheSheep> can you mount them manually?
[00:25] <Jimbo_> thunar wouldnt show any video thumbnails after i installed the codecs
[00:26] <Jimbo_> the windows partitions arent showing up at all, so i dont know how to go mount them, its not like they are on the desktop but not mounted
[00:27] <TheSheep> sounds like bugs
[00:31] <Jimbo_> that sucks
[00:31] <Jimbo_> is there nothing i should try to get them to show up?
[00:32] <danielm> Jimbo_, did you set the mount points at install?
[00:32] <TheSheep> !ntfs
[00:32] <ubotu> To view your Windows/Mac partitions see https://help.ubuntu.com/community/AutomaticallyMountPartitions - For write access, see /msg ubotu NTFS-3g or /msg ubotu FUSE
[00:33] <Jimbo_> hehe well... im just running the livecd at the moment, if thats what you mean by install. Does that make a difference? :-P
[00:35] <Jimbo_> ooooh... I just ran Gparted and it made the partitions mount
[00:38] <Iskr> why can't i resize windows from the top?
[00:39] <TheSheep> Iskr: that's a feature, so that you can grab them for moving easier, can't be disabled
[00:39] <Iskr> yes but the margin thing didn't work
[00:39] <TheSheep> oh?
[00:39] <Iskr> so i have many windows which go down and down
[00:39] <Iskr> and i can't access some options
[00:39] <TheSheep> you can use keyboard shortcuts
[00:39] <Iskr> such as?
[00:39] <TheSheep> alt+ctrl+down for resizing vertically, I think
[00:40] <TheSheep> andalt+ctrl+up
[00:40] <Iskr> no
[00:40] <Iskr> it changes workspace
[00:40] <TheSheep> maybe there is also shift in there, you can check the shortcuts in the window manager settings
[00:40] <Iskr> yes
[00:40] <Iskr> i'll see
[00:40] <Iskr> thanks
[00:40] <TheSheep> I use different, can't remember the defaults
[00:43] <Iskr> it doesn't work
[00:43] <Iskr> it's like it can't be resized more
[00:44] <Iskr> it need all the space
[00:44] <TheSheep> Iskr: maybe fix the resolution first
[00:44] <Iskr> already tried
[00:44] <TheSheep> :/
[00:44] <Iskr> it seems that i must keep this
[00:44] <TheSheep> the i810 doesn't have its own video memory
[00:44] <TheSheep> it uses memory "borrowed" from your RAM
[00:44] <Iskr> yes
[00:45] <TheSheep> the amount of memory to borrow can be set in bios
[00:45] <TheSheep> try setting it to more
[00:45] <Iskr> i'll try
[00:45] <TheSheep> (windows drivers ignore that setting and override it, btw, that's why it works on windows)
[00:46] <Iskr> the margins thing really doesn't work
[00:46] <Iskr> by no means
[00:47] <TheSheep> can't say I can repeat your problems here
[00:47] <TheSheep> then again I use hardy and the 'intel' driver
[00:48] <Iskr> well do you know if there is a way to let the window go "up the screen"?
[00:48] <Iskr> it goes down left and right
[00:48] <Iskr> but not up
[00:49] <TheSheep> there isn't
[00:49] <Iskr> -.-
[00:50] <danielm> ...
[00:50] <TheSheep> you could set the virtual screen to be larger than the physical screen
[00:50] <TheSheep> then it will scroll
[02:54] <Gokee2_Office> I installed  lightning-extension but can`t find it anywhere in thunderbird.  How do I use it?  I am on Xubuntu 7.1
[03:20] <Gokee2_Office> I got .8 from mozilla and now it works
[03:20] <Gokee2_Office> Thanks for...  listening?  :)
[03:23] <Gokee2_Office> Hmm I guess its not working...  There are two bars one with the calender stuff and one with email folders
[05:07] <AlgorithmicContr> How do you restart XFCE desktop?
[05:08] <Gokee2_Office> Ctr+Alt+Backspace kills xorg
[05:09] <AlgorithmicContr> Gokee2_Office: I didn't ask for killing xserver
[05:09] <Gokee2_Office> AlgorithmicContr, So what did you want?
[05:10] <AlgorithmicContr> well, my Icons for XFCE disappeard, and Desktop background etc etc
[05:10] <Gokee2_Office> Logout/Login restarts XFCE (although I always use Ctr+Alt+Backspace.....)
[05:11] <Gokee2_Office> O you want just the desktop part?
[05:12] <Gokee2_Office> xfdesktop should do that
[05:12] <Gokee2_Office> So you might want "xfdesktop -reload"? :)
[05:13] <AlgorithmicContr> oh
[05:13] <AlgorithmicContr> maybe
[05:13] <AlgorithmicContr> Gokee2_Office: How do you do that for gnome?
[05:14] <Gokee2_Office> I don`t know, I use gnome as little as I can get away with :)
[06:06] <redwhitewaldo> which version of flash should i install. Firefox is giving me these 2 options: gnash and adobe.
[06:06] <redwhitewaldo> i'm on xubuntu 8.04beta
[06:22] <redwhitewaldo> how come firefox doesn't know what programs are the default file openers?
[06:23] <redwhitewaldo> (i'm on xubuntu8.04)
[07:47] <miggilin> Anyone there?
[08:19] <redwhitewaldo> where's everybody?
[08:20] <zoredache> asleep
[08:20] <zoredache> !night
[08:20] <ubotu> It's the middle of the night in the US and Europe, and surrounds.  This means that a lot of people are likely asleep, therefore there are less potential people who can answer your question.  Please be patient, and consider asking at a time when more people will be awake.  This is particularly true in the quieter channels.
[08:24] <miggilinme> Hello?
[08:24] <miggilinme> Anyone there?
[08:28] <jjjj5555> hi there
[08:28] <jjjj5555> what do I kneed to do to restart my whole soundsystem.... except rebooting ;-)
[08:44] <redwhitewaldo> what were those programs again like "workrave"
[08:44] <redwhitewaldo> ?
[08:52] <redwhitewaldo> i'm in xubuntu 8.04. what's that circular icon one "square" right to the upper left corner (on title bar)
[08:53] <ere4si> it's the help icon - click it and see
[08:56] <jjjj5555> workrave is a program that reminds you to take a break
[08:57] <ere4si> sorry - you were talking about the window titlebar - it adds the window to other desktops redwhitewaldo
[08:58] <redwhitewaldo> ere4si: i see. thank you!!!
[08:58] <ere4si> k
[10:16] <Dennis> hey there everybody ;-)
[10:16] <ere4si> !hi
[10:16] <ubotu> Hi! Welcome to #xubuntu!
[10:16] <Dennis> thx
[10:16] <jjjj5555> hey
[10:16] <Dennis> is there someone here who can help me a bit with xubuntu and network configuration?
[10:17] <Dennis> i have a problem on a router with 7 network interfaces
[10:17] <ere4si> and what doesn't happen?
[10:18] <Dennis> well, to me it seems as if the assignment of ethX to the physical network card changes randomly with every reboot of the system
[10:19] <Dennis> as i said there are 7 network cards, however, only over one access to the internet is possible
[10:20] <Dennis> as i detected by try&error, i got internet by configuring eth2 - everything worked fine until next reboot
[10:20] <Dennis> after that reboot i did not have internet access anymore
[10:20] <ere4si> if you use dhcp then the first comp to boot gets the first address - try static ip addresses
[10:20] <Dennis> so again i did that try&error thing and ended up having internet access by configuring eth1
[10:21] <jjjj5555> can i drag and drop in xubuntu filemanager?
[10:21] <Dennis> i am not using dhcp, all network interfaces are configured staticly
[10:22] <ere4si> hmmm
[10:22] <ere4si> jjjj5555: yep
[10:24] <ere4si> Dennis: is it 7 network cards in one comp?
[10:25] <Dennis> ere4si, yes 7 cards in one computer
[10:26] <jjjj5555> thanks, cu all
[10:26] <ere4si> Dennis: how are the cards listed in /etc/hosts
[10:27] <Dennis> ere4si, not at all i guess (I'm not at that router right now) - do they have to be?
[10:28] <ere4si> Dennis: /etc/hosts is a file on the comp - it shows the connections allowed
[10:29] <slimjimflim> hi. my volume control button disappeared after the last update, and now i can't add a new one, anybody know the package name?
[10:29] <Dennis> isn't /etc/hosts just for local dns resolving?
[10:30] <Dennis> probably this might give you an idea, ere4si:
[10:30] <Dennis> root@Router:/etc/network# route -n
[10:30] <Dennis> Kernel IP routing table
[10:30] <Dennis> Destination     Gateway         Genmask         Flags Metric Ref    Use Iface
[10:30] <Dennis> 10.6.0.0        0.0.0.0         255.255.255.0   U     0      0        0 eth6
[10:30] <Dennis> 10.7.0.0        0.0.0.0         255.255.255.0   U     0      0        0 eth0
[10:30] <Dennis> 169.254.0.0     0.0.0.0         255.255.0.0     U     0      0        0 eth1
[10:30] <Dennis> 169.254.0.0     0.0.0.0         255.255.0.0     U     1000   0        0 eth0
[10:31] <Dennis> 0.0.0.0         10.6.0.2        0.0.0.0         UG    100    0        0 eth6
[10:31] <Dennis> 0.0.0.0         0.0.0.0         0.0.0.0         U     1000   0        0 eth1
[10:31] <Dennis> ere4si this is not the latest output, but i always have to default routes at the end of the listing which seems weird to me...
[10:32] <ere4si> Dennis: 7 cards - one comp - is new to me - sorry
[10:35] <Dennis> ok ere4si, thanks anyways ;)
[10:38] <slimjimflim> also, my sound doesn't work on embedded flash, should i just reinstall the soundcard driver?
[10:48] <slimjimflim> anybody have issues w/ audio on flash movies not working after the last update?
[10:50] <Dennis> anybody here, who has experiences with several network cards in one computer?
[10:51] <slimjimflim> dennis, shoot
[10:52] <Dennis> hm?
[10:52] <slimjimflim> by shoot, i mean, ask me your question
[10:52] <Dennis> oh, ok :)
[10:53] <Dennis> seems like the assignment of ethX to the physical network cards is randomly changing with every reboot... could that be?
[10:53] <slimjimflim> hmm
[10:54] <Dennis> i have a router with 7 network cards, only one has internet access... i was able to get internet access by configuring eth2... after reboot i got internet access by configuring eth1
[10:54] <Dennis> weird, isn't it? ;-)
[10:54] <slimjimflim> yea
[10:54] <slimjimflim> did you try taking them all out but one?
[10:55] <slimjimflim> to see if it still does it?
[10:55] <Dennis> no i didn't...
[10:56] <slimjimflim> not sure if that'll help
[10:56] <Dennis> would be a hard work though as i'd have to get the computer out of the rack first
[10:56] <slimjimflim> yea
[10:57] <slimjimflim> that's a pretty tough question
[10:59] <slimjimflim> dennis, why don't you ask the friendly folks in ##linkux-coders
[10:59] <slimjimflim> i'm sure somebody knows
[10:59] <Dennis> i hat tried ubuntu first and did not have those problems there... however, ubuntu was real slow, even though the router has a 3Gz pentium 4 processor and 1 GB ram
[10:59] <Dennis> xubuntu was much faster... the boot-process as well as the gui
[11:00] <slimjimflim> definitely
[11:00] <Dennis> there is nobody in #linkux-coders, as well as in #linux-coders ;-)
[11:01] <slimjimflim> you need 2 #'s
[11:01] <slimjimflim> ##linux-coders
[11:03] <Dennis> oh thx... never seen that before...
[12:22] <bassinboy> why isn't apache in the repositories by default?
[12:24] <bassinboy> well it works via CLI
[12:25] <siggjen> apache2 is in the repository
[12:30] <bassinboy> why is it not searchable?
[12:31] <siggjen> «apt-cache search apache» give me lots of hits
[12:32] <bassinboy> just wonder via gui
[12:32] <siggjen> sorry, i never use the gui for installing packages
[12:33] <bassinboy> k, thanks
[15:28] <Iskr> i managed to reach 1024x768 \o/
[15:44] <TheSheep> Iskr: how?
[15:44] <Iskr> i told to xorg to use 16mb of ram for the video card
[15:45] <TheSheep> :)
[15:46] <Iskr> uhm
[15:46] <Iskr> it didn't go in suspension
[15:46] <Iskr> any idea?
[15:47] <TheSheep> it doesn't work on some hardware, but I don't know what could be tried to make it work
[15:47] <TheSheep> maybe forums...
[15:51] <Iskr> ok
[15:51] <Iskr> np
[15:53] <Iskr> (hybernate seems to work)
[19:25] <jarnos> Hello. I just installed Xubuntu Hardy Beta
[19:25] <j1mc> hi
[19:25] <jarnos> There was "Screens and Graphics" in Other menu.
[19:25] <j1mc> ok
[19:26] <jarnos> It disappeared.
[19:27] <j1mc> jarnos: would you mind filing a bug?
[19:27] <j1mc> do you have an account on launchpad?
[19:28] <jarnos> jlmc: I guess I could. I have reported some even today, see https://bugs.launchpad.net/~jarnos
[19:29] <j1mc> jarnos: thanks.  :)
[19:29] <j1mc> (i'm at a conference or else i would comment more)
[19:53] <Iskr> i think that the minimum requirements page should be modified
[19:53] <Iskr> on a pIII 900 mhz with 128 mb of ram (of which 16 to the video card) xfce run smoothly
[19:53] <Iskr> i also use firefox without any problem
[19:54] <Iskr> it has just to be installed with the alternate ubuntu cd
[19:59] <TheSheep> Iskr: ymmv
[19:59] <TheSheep> Iskr: especially when people use mostly firefox and office apps
[20:00] <Iskr> well but on the site is written "192 mb" as _minimum requirement
[20:00] <TheSheep> that's minimum for livecd
[20:00] <Iskr> no
[20:01] <Iskr> Once installed, Xubuntu can run with 192 MB RAM, but it is strongly recommended to have at least 256 MB RAM.
[20:01] <TheSheep> anyways, did you disable cups, bluetooth etc.?
[20:01] <Iskr> no
[20:01] <Iskr> i didn't disable anything
[20:01] <TheSheep> Iskr: because peole have been complaining about slowness when these specs were lover
[20:01] <TheSheep> lower
[20:02] <Iskr> i don't think it installed bluetooth module anyway
[20:02] <TheSheep> it probably depends also on exact drivers used
[20:02] <Iskr> at least write "can run with 128-192 MB RAM"
[20:02] <TheSheep> some video drivers are pretty memory hungry
[20:02] <Iskr> i went on trying icewm and fluxbox
[20:02] <TheSheep> well, it can run with 32MB ram, I did it
[20:03] <TheSheep> startup takes 45 minutes, but it runs
[20:03] <Iskr> well but you did additional configuration
[20:03] <TheSheep> no
[20:03] <Iskr> and startup took 45 minutes
[20:03] <Iskr> in this case
[20:03] <Iskr> startup takes 5 minutes =P
[20:03] <TheSheep> the question is where to put the border
[20:03] <Iskr> or so
[20:03] <TheSheep> 5 minutes seems to be too long by today standards
[20:03] <Iskr> when you write minimal requirements the border should be as lower as possible
[20:04] <TheSheep> Iskr: I don't agree
[20:04] <Iskr> there is always the reccomended requirement
[20:04] <Iskr> to be realistic
[20:04] <TheSheep> Iskr: we had a lot of disappointed people here when the specs were lower
[20:04] <Iskr> was it 128?
[20:04] <TheSheep> yes
[20:05] <Iskr> i wonder why these people were so disappointed...
[20:05] <Iskr> maybe they didn't reserve enough swap
[20:06] <TheSheep> because they got some old computers assembled from parts and went by the minimum to minimize costs
[20:06] <Iskr> well i'm still convinced that you should
[20:06] <Iskr> but do as you like
[20:06] <Iskr> =)
[20:06] <TheSheep> it's like "ok, I have 512MB of ram in old chips here, I can make 4 computers with xubuntu out of it"
[20:07] <TheSheep> it's not my decission :)
[20:07] <TheSheep> I'm just an user
[20:07] <nikolam> I used to use 32-bit Xubuntu 7.04 on P3-733 with 384 MB ram with no trouble at all.
[20:07] <TheSheep> but I agree with this decission
[20:07] <nikolam> after start and login, about 90MB`s would be used
[20:07] <Iskr> well 384 mb are a whole lot
[20:07] <nikolam> That us the reason for 128Mb minimum
[20:07] <TheSheep> nikolam: yeah, above te 256MB limit there seem to be no problems
[20:08] <nikolam> I think that 256Mb is also plenty of space
[20:08] <TheSheep> with 192MB you sometimes get no panels at startup
[20:08] <Iskr> panels?
[20:08] <nikolam> and 192 should work
[20:08] <TheSheep> Iskr: the thing that xfce4-panel displays
[20:08] <Iskr> yes
[20:08] <Iskr> but it's weird
[20:09] <Iskr> you are making me dubitate if i actually have 128 mb...
[20:09] <Iskr> but i have
[20:09] <Iskr> i checked it twice
[20:09] <TheSheep> I have 2GB and the system takes 70MB just after startup
[20:09] <Iskr> the funny thing is that this "To run the Desktop CD (LiveCD + Install CD), you need 128 MB RAM to run" is not true to me
[20:10] <Iskr> livecd didn't run
[20:10] <nikolam> fastest desktop linux i heard of , that includes xfce as default environment is Zenwalk.
[20:10] <TheSheep> Iskr: it says 128? that's wrong
[20:10] <TheSheep> Iskr: maybe the figures are swapped?
[20:10] <Iskr> eheh
[20:10] <Iskr> maybe
[20:10] <nikolam> Xubuntu is nice thing and I think it is worth
[20:10] <Iskr> someone should modify those information
[20:11] <TheSheep> maxamillion: you have access to the site?
[20:11] <nikolam> Maybe you are running 8.04 Beta?
[20:11] <Iskr> nono
[20:12] <nikolam> what graphics driver do you use, what graphics?
[20:12] <maxamillion> TheSheep: yeah
[20:12] <maxamillion> TheSheep: i thought you did too
[20:12] <Iskr> nikolam, i don't know =)
[20:12] <TheSheep> Iskr: ah, no, it's ok, it says 192MB to install
[20:12] <Iskr> yes
[20:12] <Iskr> but 128 to run
[20:12] <Iskr> and it didn't work for me
[20:12] <TheSheep> Iskr: I did run it on 128MB :/
[20:12] <nikolam> lspci
[20:12] <Iskr> eheh
[20:12] <TheSheep> Iskr: again, YMMV
[20:12] <Iskr> yes
[20:13] <TheSheep> nikolam: PCI not found, Abort, Retry, Ignore?
[20:13] <nikolam> Maybe your graphics card took some ram from your main 128mb
[20:13] <nikolam> The-Kernel, LOL :))))
[20:13] <Iskr> nikolam well it takes ram now
[20:13] <nikolam> TheSheep, :))
[20:13] <nikolam> sorry
[20:13] <Iskr> 16 mb
[20:14] <nikolam> well, try to install from Alternate CD.
[20:14] <TheSheep> Iskr: the deal is this: we set the specs too high and we lose some people with old hardware who will go install different distro instead
[20:14] <Iskr> nikolam, you didn't understand
[20:14] <TheSheep> Iskr: we set the specs too low and we get some disappointed people who will badmouth xubuntu
[20:14] <nikolam> Alternate CD install could be done even from 64MB machine
[20:14] <Iskr> nikolam, i actually installed from alternate cd
[20:14] <Iskr> and it works _very_ fine
[20:14] <Iskr> so i was suggesting
[20:14] <nikolam> 7.10 xubuntu 32-bit?
[20:14] <Iskr> yes
[20:14] <nikolam> aha..
[20:15] <Iskr> i was suggesting to lower minimum requirements
[20:15] <nikolam> I don`t think that is good idea
[20:15] <TheSheep> Iskr: people tend to be "optimistic" :)
[20:15] <nikolam> people will use slower machines anyway
[20:15] <Iskr> eheh i am not optimistic
[20:16] <Iskr> as i said before i first installed icewm and fluxbox
[20:16] <Iskr> then as i didn't cope well with them
[20:16] <TheSheep> Iskr: if we give high specs, and people will try it on lower anyways, and it's slow, they will say "ok, I guess it's slow because of the hardware"
[20:18] <Iskr> anyway i'll stay here
[20:18] <Iskr> to give all the people who will ask
[20:18] <Iskr> the advice to install xubuntu on 128 mb ram boxes =P
[20:19] <Iskr> it's really a shame that the livecd cannot be used to perform a simple installation
[20:19] <Iskr> it's particularly valid for xubuntu
[20:20] <Iskr> that you all know that is often used in low mem machines
[20:46] <The-Kernel> Why does that always happen to me
[21:49] <Chawson> omg.. i figured out how to use windows live messenger on xubuntu!
[21:51] <Chawson> does any1 want me to explain how to do it?
[21:52] <crimsun> it'd be better documented on a wiki page.
[21:52] <Chawson> i didnt ask where would it be better documented sorry, i asked would anyone like advice?
[22:54] <mnemoc> hi, there is any firefox plugin (at 8.04) that fakes windows media player? (autodetection on sites)
[22:54] <mnemoc> vlc didn't :\
[22:54] <siggjen> you might try mplayer
[22:54] <mnemoc> thanks
[22:59] <Rorschach> I've got a problem with my external hard drive. It's a 500 gig SimpleDrive, but when I finally managed to mount it in Linux, it only gives me 1.3 gigs to work with.
[22:59] <Rorschach> Any idea what the problem is?
[23:02] <mnemoc> Rorschach: how is it partitioned?
[23:09] <Rorschach> mnemoc: it's NTFS
[23:09] <Rorschach> I mounted it with NTFS-3g
[23:30] <Rorschach> More external harddrive problems. I have trouble mounting it with ntfs-3g, and when I do manage to mount it, it only lets me use 1.3 gigs out of 500 gigs
[23:32] <mnemoc> Rorschach: see what `disktype` say about your disk
[23:33] <Rorschach> menmoc: 'disktype' doesn't work. Command not found
[23:54] <patoe1> hey
[23:54] <patoe1> i just installed Teamspeak 2 and i dont know how to open it
[23:57] <ere4si> patoe1: try this - http://www.goteamspeak.com/?page=getstarted