[00:00] ok [00:00] anyway [00:01] Iskr: you have pretty bad luck [00:01] why? [00:01] that is the eternal questio isn't it [00:01] Iskr: first aptitude, then you stumle on that i810 bug [00:01] (how can i disable sound on login screen?) [00:01] TheSheep, oh yes [00:01] and you don't know [00:02] all the other problems [00:02] Iskr: setings->login window settings [00:02] during the installation [00:02] then xfce has this nasty thing [00:02] of setting windows not properly sized [00:02] Oo) [00:02] have you ever noticed it? [00:02] even if i maximize [00:02] no? [00:03] it just doesn't seem to know how to stand on top of panel [00:03] try the margins in workspace and margins settings [00:04] i'll try thanks [00:04] but it should never cover panels if they have 'fixed' position [00:04] yes panel are fixed [00:04] and it doesn't cover the panel [00:04] is the panel that is up [00:04] that's good [00:05] covering the window [00:05] that's no good [00:05] it isn't [00:06] works for me :/ [00:06] are you sure the top panel is fixed too? [00:06] i have no top panel [00:06] i removed it [00:06] i have only the bottom one that is fixed [00:06] anyway just for the record [00:07] xfce seems to work quite well [00:07] with a 128 mb ram system [00:07] ah, it's the eee [00:08] now i'll tell you also what percentage of ram is required by the desktop environment alone [00:08] The-Sheep? [00:08] pardon [00:08] TheSheep, ? [00:08] I was considering buing eee for some time [00:08] eee=eeepc? [00:08] asus eee [00:08] no? [00:08] no it isn't [00:09] it's an acer travelmate [00:09] 612t [00:09] ok [00:09] tx [00:09] right, eee wouldn't use i810 :) [00:09] I thin I got you confused with Taza [00:10] the desktop environment alone [00:10] uses 40% of ram [00:10] and 10% of swap [00:10] My Eee has 2gb of RAM btw. :P [00:10] Taza: just like the lappy I bought finally instead of eee :) [00:10] RAM is the only part that's both easily upgradeable and cheap [00:11] Taza: out of curiosity, I've heard that part of the eee's disk is read only? [00:11] Taza: is that true? [00:11] TheSheep: Depends on which model you get. [00:12] The SDHC card reader operates in read-only mode for some models. [00:12] The internal disk is always fully usable [00:12] And you can write the SDHC fine with an external reader [00:13] Taza: ah, great, I've heard somewhere that the system part was read only, so if you wanted to install your own system you had to do it at the cost of your home [00:13] TheSheep: No problem whatsoever as long as you wipe the disk first [00:13] I see [00:13] As in, repartition [00:14] Taza: isn't the screen too small? how about the keyboard? [00:14] The original partitions are like that but fdisk fixes that in ten seconds [00:14] The screen is a bit too small, the keyboard is just fine [00:14] I've read in Humane Interface that 9" is actually optimal for reading [00:14] It could be larger sure [00:15] ee is 7", I think [00:15] But I got one now because something better is always waiting behind the corner. [00:15] is "add/remove" the same thing of synaptic? [00:15] or it's another apt-get vs aptitude issue? [00:15] Iskr: yes, just with nicer descriptions and icons [00:15] Iskr: all ubuntu gui tools use synaptic [00:16] thanks [00:16] well i just can't believe [00:17] that it installed gnome [00:17] who told it to do that? [00:17] it probably had some gnome app in recommendations for something [00:17] be glad it's not kde [00:17] well some gnome app [00:17] not ALL GNOME [00:18] i want xfce and it installs xfce AND gnome O.o [00:18] well, the app would depend on gnome ibs that would then have rest of gnome in recommendations... [00:18] i see... [00:19] yay, starting xawtv crashes my X :D [00:20] lol [00:22] I just tried the 8.04 beta. I wish I had read up a bit more before hand because I dunno if the stuff that dont work is a bug or just something thats not gotten finsihed yet [00:23] Jimbo_: what doesn't work? [00:23] Jimbo_: it's a beta, everythin should work generally [00:24] it wont mount my windows partitions like 7.10 did automatically [00:25] can you mount them manually? [00:25] thunar wouldnt show any video thumbnails after i installed the codecs [00:26] the windows partitions arent showing up at all, so i dont know how to go mount them, its not like they are on the desktop but not mounted [00:27] sounds like bugs [00:31] that sucks [00:31] is there nothing i should try to get them to show up? [00:32] Jimbo_, did you set the mount points at install? [00:32] !ntfs [00:32] To view your Windows/Mac partitions see https://help.ubuntu.com/community/AutomaticallyMountPartitions - For write access, see /msg ubotu NTFS-3g or /msg ubotu FUSE [00:33] hehe well... im just running the livecd at the moment, if thats what you mean by install. Does that make a difference? :-P [00:35] ooooh... I just ran Gparted and it made the partitions mount [00:38] why can't i resize windows from the top? [00:39] Iskr: that's a feature, so that you can grab them for moving easier, can't be disabled [00:39] yes but the margin thing didn't work [00:39] oh? [00:39] so i have many windows which go down and down [00:39] and i can't access some options [00:39] you can use keyboard shortcuts [00:39] such as? [00:39] alt+ctrl+down for resizing vertically, I think [00:40] andalt+ctrl+up [00:40] no [00:40] it changes workspace [00:40] maybe there is also shift in there, you can check the shortcuts in the window manager settings [00:40] yes [00:40] i'll see [00:40] thanks [00:40] I use different, can't remember the defaults === danielm__ is now known as danielm [00:43] it doesn't work [00:43] it's like it can't be resized more [00:44] it need all the space [00:44] Iskr: maybe fix the resolution first [00:44] already tried [00:44] :/ [00:44] it seems that i must keep this [00:44] the i810 doesn't have its own video memory [00:44] it uses memory "borrowed" from your RAM [00:44] yes [00:45] the amount of memory to borrow can be set in bios [00:45] try setting it to more [00:45] i'll try [00:45] (windows drivers ignore that setting and override it, btw, that's why it works on windows) [00:46] the margins thing really doesn't work [00:46] by no means [00:47] can't say I can repeat your problems here [00:47] then again I use hardy and the 'intel' driver [00:48] well do you know if there is a way to let the window go "up the screen"? [00:48] it goes down left and right [00:48] but not up [00:49] there isn't [00:49] -.- [00:50] ... [00:50] you could set the virtual screen to be larger than the physical screen [00:50] then it will scroll === danielm is now known as danielm_ === danielm_ is now known as danielm === danielm_ is now known as danielm === luisbg__ is now known as luisbg [02:54] I installed lightning-extension but can`t find it anywhere in thunderbird. How do I use it? I am on Xubuntu 7.1 [03:20] I got .8 from mozilla and now it works [03:20] Thanks for... listening? :) [03:23] Hmm I guess its not working... There are two bars one with the calender stuff and one with email folders [05:07] How do you restart XFCE desktop? [05:08] Ctr+Alt+Backspace kills xorg [05:09] Gokee2_Office: I didn't ask for killing xserver [05:09] AlgorithmicContr, So what did you want? [05:10] well, my Icons for XFCE disappeard, and Desktop background etc etc [05:10] Logout/Login restarts XFCE (although I always use Ctr+Alt+Backspace.....) [05:11] O you want just the desktop part? [05:12] xfdesktop should do that [05:12] So you might want "xfdesktop -reload"? :) [05:13] oh [05:13] maybe [05:13] Gokee2_Office: How do you do that for gnome? [05:14] I don`t know, I use gnome as little as I can get away with :) === AlgorithmicContr is now known as ]IMMUE === ]IMMUE is now known as ]Immune === ]Immune is now known as Allah === Allah is now known as ^Dexter === ^Dexter is now known as The [06:06] which version of flash should i install. Firefox is giving me these 2 options: gnash and adobe. [06:06] i'm on xubuntu 8.04beta [06:22] how come firefox doesn't know what programs are the default file openers? [06:23] (i'm on xubuntu8.04) [07:47] Anyone there? === zoredache_ is now known as zoredache [08:19] where's everybody? [08:20] asleep [08:20] !night [08:20] It's the middle of the night in the US and Europe, and surrounds. This means that a lot of people are likely asleep, therefore there are less potential people who can answer your question. Please be patient, and consider asking at a time when more people will be awake. This is particularly true in the quieter channels. [08:24] Hello? [08:24] Anyone there? [08:28] hi there [08:28] what do I kneed to do to restart my whole soundsystem.... except rebooting ;-) [08:44] what were those programs again like "workrave" [08:44] ? [08:52] i'm in xubuntu 8.04. what's that circular icon one "square" right to the upper left corner (on title bar) [08:53] it's the help icon - click it and see [08:56] workrave is a program that reminds you to take a break [08:57] sorry - you were talking about the window titlebar - it adds the window to other desktops redwhitewaldo [08:58] ere4si: i see. thank you!!! [08:58] k [10:16] hey there everybody ;-) [10:16] !hi [10:16] Hi! Welcome to #xubuntu! [10:16] thx [10:16] hey [10:16] is there someone here who can help me a bit with xubuntu and network configuration? [10:17] i have a problem on a router with 7 network interfaces [10:17] and what doesn't happen? [10:18] well, to me it seems as if the assignment of ethX to the physical network card changes randomly with every reboot of the system [10:19] as i said there are 7 network cards, however, only over one access to the internet is possible [10:20] as i detected by try&error, i got internet by configuring eth2 - everything worked fine until next reboot [10:20] after that reboot i did not have internet access anymore [10:20] if you use dhcp then the first comp to boot gets the first address - try static ip addresses [10:20] so again i did that try&error thing and ended up having internet access by configuring eth1 [10:21] can i drag and drop in xubuntu filemanager? [10:21] i am not using dhcp, all network interfaces are configured staticly [10:22] hmmm [10:22] jjjj5555: yep [10:24] Dennis: is it 7 network cards in one comp? [10:25] ere4si, yes 7 cards in one computer [10:26] thanks, cu all [10:26] Dennis: how are the cards listed in /etc/hosts [10:27] ere4si, not at all i guess (I'm not at that router right now) - do they have to be? [10:28] Dennis: /etc/hosts is a file on the comp - it shows the connections allowed [10:29] hi. my volume control button disappeared after the last update, and now i can't add a new one, anybody know the package name? [10:29] isn't /etc/hosts just for local dns resolving? [10:30] probably this might give you an idea, ere4si: [10:30] root@Router:/etc/network# route -n [10:30] Kernel IP routing table [10:30] Destination Gateway Genmask Flags Metric Ref Use Iface [10:30] 10.6.0.0 0.0.0.0 255.255.255.0 U 0 0 0 eth6 [10:30] 10.7.0.0 0.0.0.0 255.255.255.0 U 0 0 0 eth0 [10:30] 169.254.0.0 0.0.0.0 255.255.0.0 U 0 0 0 eth1 [10:30] 169.254.0.0 0.0.0.0 255.255.0.0 U 1000 0 0 eth0 [10:31] 0.0.0.0 10.6.0.2 0.0.0.0 UG 100 0 0 eth6 [10:31] 0.0.0.0 0.0.0.0 0.0.0.0 U 1000 0 0 eth1 [10:31] ere4si this is not the latest output, but i always have to default routes at the end of the listing which seems weird to me... [10:32] Dennis: 7 cards - one comp - is new to me - sorry [10:35] ok ere4si, thanks anyways ;) [10:38] also, my sound doesn't work on embedded flash, should i just reinstall the soundcard driver? [10:48] anybody have issues w/ audio on flash movies not working after the last update? [10:50] anybody here, who has experiences with several network cards in one computer? [10:51] dennis, shoot [10:52] hm? [10:52] by shoot, i mean, ask me your question [10:52] oh, ok :) [10:53] seems like the assignment of ethX to the physical network cards is randomly changing with every reboot... could that be? [10:53] hmm [10:54] i have a router with 7 network cards, only one has internet access... i was able to get internet access by configuring eth2... after reboot i got internet access by configuring eth1 [10:54] weird, isn't it? ;-) [10:54] yea [10:54] did you try taking them all out but one? [10:55] to see if it still does it? [10:55] no i didn't... [10:56] not sure if that'll help [10:56] would be a hard work though as i'd have to get the computer out of the rack first [10:56] yea [10:57] that's a pretty tough question [10:59] dennis, why don't you ask the friendly folks in ##linkux-coders [10:59] i'm sure somebody knows [10:59] i hat tried ubuntu first and did not have those problems there... however, ubuntu was real slow, even though the router has a 3Gz pentium 4 processor and 1 GB ram [10:59] xubuntu was much faster... the boot-process as well as the gui [11:00] definitely [11:00] there is nobody in #linkux-coders, as well as in #linux-coders ;-) [11:01] you need 2 #'s [11:01] ##linux-coders [11:03] oh thx... never seen that before... === Dennis2 is now known as Dennis === Dennis is now known as _Dennis_ [12:22] why isn't apache in the repositories by default? [12:24] well it works via CLI [12:25] apache2 is in the repository [12:30] why is it not searchable? [12:31] «apt-cache search apache» give me lots of hits [12:32] just wonder via gui [12:32] sorry, i never use the gui for installing packages [12:33] k, thanks [15:28] i managed to reach 1024x768 \o/ [15:44] Iskr: how? [15:44] i told to xorg to use 16mb of ram for the video card [15:45] :) [15:46] uhm [15:46] it didn't go in suspension [15:46] any idea? [15:47] it doesn't work on some hardware, but I don't know what could be tried to make it work [15:47] maybe forums... [15:51] ok [15:51] np [15:53] (hybernate seems to work) [19:25] Hello. I just installed Xubuntu Hardy Beta [19:25] hi [19:25] There was "Screens and Graphics" in Other menu. [19:25] ok [19:26] It disappeared. [19:27] jarnos: would you mind filing a bug? [19:27] do you have an account on launchpad? [19:28] jlmc: I guess I could. I have reported some even today, see https://bugs.launchpad.net/~jarnos [19:29] jarnos: thanks. :) [19:29] (i'm at a conference or else i would comment more) [19:53] i think that the minimum requirements page should be modified [19:53] on a pIII 900 mhz with 128 mb of ram (of which 16 to the video card) xfce run smoothly [19:53] i also use firefox without any problem [19:54] it has just to be installed with the alternate ubuntu cd [19:59] Iskr: ymmv [19:59] Iskr: especially when people use mostly firefox and office apps [20:00] well but on the site is written "192 mb" as _minimum requirement [20:00] that's minimum for livecd [20:00] no [20:01] Once installed, Xubuntu can run with 192 MB RAM, but it is strongly recommended to have at least 256 MB RAM. [20:01] anyways, did you disable cups, bluetooth etc.? [20:01] no [20:01] i didn't disable anything [20:01] Iskr: because peole have been complaining about slowness when these specs were lover [20:01] lower [20:02] i don't think it installed bluetooth module anyway [20:02] it probably depends also on exact drivers used [20:02] at least write "can run with 128-192 MB RAM" [20:02] some video drivers are pretty memory hungry [20:02] i went on trying icewm and fluxbox [20:02] well, it can run with 32MB ram, I did it [20:03] startup takes 45 minutes, but it runs [20:03] well but you did additional configuration [20:03] no [20:03] and startup took 45 minutes [20:03] in this case [20:03] startup takes 5 minutes =P [20:03] the question is where to put the border [20:03] or so [20:03] 5 minutes seems to be too long by today standards [20:03] when you write minimal requirements the border should be as lower as possible [20:04] Iskr: I don't agree [20:04] there is always the reccomended requirement [20:04] to be realistic [20:04] Iskr: we had a lot of disappointed people here when the specs were lower [20:04] was it 128? [20:04] yes [20:05] i wonder why these people were so disappointed... [20:05] maybe they didn't reserve enough swap [20:06] because they got some old computers assembled from parts and went by the minimum to minimize costs [20:06] well i'm still convinced that you should [20:06] but do as you like [20:06] =) [20:06] it's like "ok, I have 512MB of ram in old chips here, I can make 4 computers with xubuntu out of it" [20:07] it's not my decission :) [20:07] I'm just an user [20:07] I used to use 32-bit Xubuntu 7.04 on P3-733 with 384 MB ram with no trouble at all. [20:07] but I agree with this decission [20:07] after start and login, about 90MB`s would be used [20:07] well 384 mb are a whole lot [20:07] That us the reason for 128Mb minimum [20:07] nikolam: yeah, above te 256MB limit there seem to be no problems [20:08] I think that 256Mb is also plenty of space [20:08] with 192MB you sometimes get no panels at startup [20:08] panels? [20:08] and 192 should work [20:08] Iskr: the thing that xfce4-panel displays [20:08] yes [20:08] but it's weird [20:09] you are making me dubitate if i actually have 128 mb... [20:09] but i have [20:09] i checked it twice [20:09] I have 2GB and the system takes 70MB just after startup [20:09] the funny thing is that this "To run the Desktop CD (LiveCD + Install CD), you need 128 MB RAM to run" is not true to me [20:10] livecd didn't run [20:10] fastest desktop linux i heard of , that includes xfce as default environment is Zenwalk. [20:10] Iskr: it says 128? that's wrong [20:10] Iskr: maybe the figures are swapped? [20:10] eheh [20:10] maybe [20:10] Xubuntu is nice thing and I think it is worth [20:10] someone should modify those information [20:11] maxamillion: you have access to the site? [20:11] Maybe you are running 8.04 Beta? [20:11] nono [20:12] what graphics driver do you use, what graphics? [20:12] TheSheep: yeah [20:12] TheSheep: i thought you did too [20:12] nikolam, i don't know =) [20:12] Iskr: ah, no, it's ok, it says 192MB to install [20:12] yes [20:12] but 128 to run [20:12] and it didn't work for me [20:12] Iskr: I did run it on 128MB :/ [20:12] lspci [20:12] eheh [20:12] Iskr: again, YMMV [20:12] yes [20:13] nikolam: PCI not found, Abort, Retry, Ignore? [20:13] Maybe your graphics card took some ram from your main 128mb [20:13] The-Kernel, LOL :)))) [20:13] nikolam well it takes ram now [20:13] TheSheep, :)) [20:13] sorry [20:13] 16 mb [20:14] well, try to install from Alternate CD. [20:14] Iskr: the deal is this: we set the specs too high and we lose some people with old hardware who will go install different distro instead [20:14] nikolam, you didn't understand [20:14] Iskr: we set the specs too low and we get some disappointed people who will badmouth xubuntu [20:14] Alternate CD install could be done even from 64MB machine [20:14] nikolam, i actually installed from alternate cd [20:14] and it works _very_ fine [20:14] so i was suggesting [20:14] 7.10 xubuntu 32-bit? [20:14] yes [20:14] aha.. [20:15] i was suggesting to lower minimum requirements [20:15] I don`t think that is good idea [20:15] Iskr: people tend to be "optimistic" :) [20:15] people will use slower machines anyway [20:15] eheh i am not optimistic [20:16] as i said before i first installed icewm and fluxbox [20:16] then as i didn't cope well with them [20:16] Iskr: if we give high specs, and people will try it on lower anyways, and it's slow, they will say "ok, I guess it's slow because of the hardware" [20:18]