[00:00] <Immersion> Ok, Crimsun
[00:00] <hackeron> xtknight: nope
[00:00] <hackeron> xtknight: installed by apt
[00:00] <Immersion> Crimsun, still, nothing.
[00:00] <xtknight> hackeron, so to reproduce, all you do is type "ffmpeg" ?
[00:00] <hackeron> xtknight: yep
[00:00] <xtknight> hackeron, well i just installed it and i dont have the problem
[00:00] <crimsun> dotech: install pavucontrol, then use Applications> Sound & Video> PulseAudio Device Chooser to choose your usb device
[00:00] <hackeron> xtknight: hmm, what does dpkg -l | grep x264 show?
[00:01] <xtknight> mine doesn't even depend on 264
[00:01] <xtknight> andy@andy-desktop:~$ ldd `which ffmpeg`|grep -i 264
[00:01] <xtknight> ii  libx264-57                                 1:0.svn20071224-0.0ubuntu1          x264 video coding library
[00:01] <hackeron> xtknight: from multiverse?
[00:01] <erichj> xtknight: did you install ffmpeg from medibuntu repo?
[00:01] <dotech> crimsun, i have that installed actually, and i think i set my default sink to the USB device
[00:01] <xtknight> Filename: pool/multiverse/x/x264/x264_0.svn20071224-0.0ubuntu1_amd64.deb
[00:02] <xtknight> erichj, i installed from official hardy.  im not sure about hackeron, who was having the problem, though
[00:02] <dotech> crimsun, i also tried the "combined" virtual device
[00:02] <crimsun> Immersion: ok, then you just need a newer driver with the quirk added.
[00:02] <dotech> maybe i'm not setting it properly
[00:02] <hackeron> xtknight: from hardy multiverse
[00:02] <Immersion> crimsun Do you know were I'd find one, or should I go searching?
[00:02] <Eleaf> yo
[00:02] <crimsun> Immersion: (sorry, it should be fixed in a bit.  I won't be around to test tonight, but if you're around tomorrow, perhaps I can walk you through it.)
[00:03] <hackeron> xtknight: erichj: I guess I'll just recompile with apt-build install ffmpeg until the package is fixed in multiverse
[00:03] <xtknight> hackeron, oh hold on, my x264 isnt installed. but the lib is
[00:03] <dotech> crimsun: PulseAudio manager says Failure: Connection refused
[00:03] <Immersion> Crimsun, I work pretty much all day tommorw. :) Another time maybe. Thank you SO much for your help.
[00:03] <xtknight> makes no diff
[00:03] <xtknight> hackeron, so what is your ffmpeg and x264 version?  3:0.cvs20070307-5ubuntu7 and  1:0.svn20071224-0.0ubuntu1 here
[00:03] <dotech> so does paplay now :)
[00:03] <slipttees> ohhh god
[00:03] <slipttees> E: linux-image-2.6.24-15-386: subprocess post-installation script returned error exit status 2
[00:03] <slipttees> E: linux-ubuntu-modules-2.6.24-15-386: dependency problems - leaving unconfigured
[00:03] <slipttees> E: linux-image-386: dependency problems - leaving unconfigured
[00:03] <Eleaf> I just upgraded to hardy heron, looks good so far, but I don't have sound mixing.  Only one program can use sound at one time, (example: I have to restart firefox after listening to music in exaile if I want to watch youtube videos).  Sound mixing worked fine in the previous version
[00:03] <slipttees> wtf ?
[00:03] <crimsun> dotech: err, huh.  Log out and back in?
[00:04] <dotech> crimsun: ok :)
[00:04] <crimsun> Eleaf: how did you install the Flash plugin?
[00:04] <hackeron> xtknight: 3:0.cvs20070307-5ubuntu7 for ffmpeg and 1:0.svn20071224-0.0ubuntu1 for x264
[00:04] <crimsun> Eleaf: i.e., make sure you have the `libflashsupport' package installed.
[00:04] <Eleaf> crimsun, it's been installed since my previous version
[00:04] <xtknight> hackeron, what arch? amd64 here
[00:04] <hackeron> xtknight: can't remember, lol, let me check
[00:04] <Eleaf> installing that package now crimsun
[00:05] <Eleaf> crimsun, so pulseaudio is running now?
[00:05] <xtknight> hackeron,  i dont know but you shouldnt be having the problem.  does your ffmpeg depend on x264?  type "ldd `which ffmpeg` | grep -i 264"
[00:05] <hackeron> xtknight: i686
[00:05] <crimsun> Eleaf: what's the output from `ps -C pulseaudio>/dev/null;echo $?'?
[00:05] <dotech> crimsun, ok its back now
[00:05] <hackeron> xtknight: yes, my ffmpeg depends on x264
[00:05] <crimsun> (don't include `', BTW)
[00:05] <xtknight> hackeron, thru package or thru binary?
[00:05] <hackeron> xtknight: on the version that doesn't exist :(
[00:05] <xtknight> hackeron, i mean is there an ldd line
[00:05] <hackeron> xtknight: through apt-get install ffmpeg - but I uncommented universe and multiverse in /etc/apt/sources.list
[00:06] <mellery> I had the sound hotkeys stop working on hardy, they bring up the gnome sound gui, but the volume setting on the gui doesnt affect the sound level.  using the speaker icon on the taskbar works, anyone have any ideas please?
[00:06] <Eleaf> crimsun, the result is 0
[00:06] <dotech> crimsun, i can't change the device in the PulseAudio Manager window can i?  looks like i have to click the icon at the top right
[00:06] <crimsun> mellery: set the appropriate mixer elements using System> Preferences> Sound> Devices> Default mixer tracks
[00:07] <xtknight> hackeron, odd.  im not sure how your ffmpeg depends on 264.  mine doesnt
[00:07] <crimsun> dotech: right-click a stream and choose the output device
[00:07] <hackeron> xtknight: hmm, also from multiverse?
[00:07] <slipttees> hey guys i need help
[00:07] <xtknight> hackeron, mine are all officail repos
[00:07] <slipttees> kernel crash in install
[00:07] <slipttees> :S
[00:07] <slipttees> dependences
[00:07] <slipttees> http://pastebin.ca/973154
[00:08] <mellery> crimsun: switching from alsa to oss fixed it, thanks!
[00:08] <dotech> oh man, i tried "test" in the sound preferences window
[00:08] <slipttees> howto fixed it ?
[00:08] <dotech> the tone won't stop now haha
[00:08] <mellery> hopefuly it doesnt break other things!
[00:08] <hackeron> xtknight: oh wait a second, which ffmpeg shows /usr/local/bin -- who the hell compiled it, lol
[00:08] <xtknight> hackeron, lol
[00:08] <emet> !info xchat
[00:08] <ubotu> xchat (source: xchat): IRC client for X similar to AmIRC. In component universe, is optional. Version 2.8.4-0ubuntu6 (hardy), package size 301 kB, installed size 808 kB
[00:09] <hackeron> xtknight: sorry for the false report, lol -- /usr/bin/ffmpeg works like a charm
[00:09] <crimsun> (back later tonight.)
[00:09] <xtknight> hackeron, ahh
[00:09] <xtknight> hackeron, well that's good otherwise we'd file a bug
[00:11] <dotech> crimsun, i must be missing something... i see the Adobe Flash in Clients but no idea how to change the device
[00:11] <dotech> right click does ntohing, double click brings up a windows with Go to Owner Module and Kill
[00:13] <Gnine> "he who can make you believe absurdities, can make you commit atrocities" -voltaire
[00:13] <dotech> how do i change the sink it is connected to?
[00:14] <dotech> the best would be to get it connected to the combined sink
[00:14] <dotech> right now its only on alsa_output.pci which is my onboard card
[00:22] <bod_> hey guys, i cant play youtube vids with FF3 beta    what plugins do i need? how do i get them?
[00:24] <dotech> crimsun, i'll try editing the pulseaudio config file
[00:24] <Eleaf> bod_, flash
[00:24] <bod_> Eleaf, ot it version 9.0 r115
[00:24] <bod_> ot=got
[00:25] <Eleaf> hmm
[00:25] <Eleaf> What do you mean you can't play vids?
[00:25] <Eleaf> nothing shows up, or what?
[00:25] <bod_> i click on the link, the box that should show the vid is there, but its a blank grey box
[00:26] <xtknight> hmm firefox bookmarks are so confusingnow
[00:26] <xtknight> how do you make a folder :\
[00:27] <bod_> xtknight, bookmarks-->bookmark this page-->bookmarks menu drop down--> create folder
[00:28] <xtknight> bobbo,  ah yeah  i finally figured.  thx
[00:28] <xtknight> bod_, *
[00:28] <bod_> ;~)
[00:28] <bod_> Eleaf, any thouhts?
[00:28] <xtknight> actually u can right click on the bookmarks meun
[00:28] <xtknight> menu
[00:28] <Gnine> try running update, bod_
[00:28] <xtknight> i coulda sworn that was missing in b4
[00:28] <bod_> Gnine, what update?
[00:29] <Gnine> do  apt-get update  in terminal
[00:29] <bod_> Gnine, how will that get flash working? is 9.0 not the latest version?
[00:30] <Gnine> if the update is positive then do  apt-get upgrade
[00:30] <bod_> Gnine, what do u mean if its positive? im doing the update now
[00:31] <Ashex> can someone else running Kubuntu try this
[00:31] <Ashex> Drag-drop an mp3 from Dolphin to an empty queue in Amarok
[00:31] <Ashex> then hit play and tell me if Dolphin crashes
[00:32] <Gnine> repositories need update before upgrade. if the fix is stablished then thats your quickest solution. if problem persists check your flash version/installation
[00:33] <bod_> Gnine, cool, it worked dude,.,. cheers ;~)
[00:33] <bod_> any idea how to convert ogg to mpeg?
[00:34] <dotech> crimsun: i was unable to do this through the PA GUI manager, but I used "pacmd" to get to the server's live shell so i could set the default sink, that worked
[00:35] <dotech> i set it to the combined sink, now i can remove or add my USB decoder on the fly and it works :)
[00:35] <dotech> thanks for your help
[00:40] <Eleaf> bod_, convert ogg to mp3?
[00:41] <bod_> Eleaf, no mp4 mpeg (video formats) im trying cinelerra
[00:43] <dotech> Ahh, under PulseAudio Volume Control->Output Devices, if you right click the devices there you have the option to make them default.
[00:43] <Eleaf> Hey, can I run audacity in hardy?
[00:43] <Eleaf> I can't play/record in audacity (probably pulse audio).
[00:44] <dotech> You can also move streams in there too. yay!
[00:45] <keithclark> Is there a way to distribute amongst a local network the work of copying a dvd?
[00:45] <Eleaf> probably not keithclark
[00:45] <keithclark> Eleaf, too bad
[00:46] <Eleaf> there is only one dvd drive to read the dvd from..  The dvd drive is probably the bottleneck.
[00:46] <keithclark> Eleaf, I would not think so.  Download a chunk and then process.
[00:48] <Dr_willis> copying is different from 'reencoding to avi'
[00:49] <Dr_willis> dd if=/dev/dvd of=video.iso    is a copy. :)
[00:49] <cyphase> is the new Share tab in nautilus working for anyone?
[00:50] <chapocer1> what is the path to access a firewire device? i read somewhere /dev/dv1394 or /dev/raw1394, but i dont have either of those
[00:51] <dotech> wow Sirius sucks
[00:51] <chapocer1> and it doesnt automatically mount when i plug it in..
[00:51] <dotech> you can only log in 10 times a day then they lock you out
[00:51] <dotech> trying to fix my sound problem all day, now im locked out ugh
[00:52] <ethana2> are nvidia drivers handled by restricted drivers manager/
[00:52] <ethana2> ?
[00:52] <chapocer1> ethana2, yes
[00:52] <ethana2> hmm
[00:52] <chapocer1> mine always have been taken care of by it
[00:52] <Boohbah> anyone had troubles with firefox 3 beta 5?
[00:53] <Turski> many
[00:53] <Turski> but i dont have
[00:54] <Eleaf> how do you use pasuspender...
[00:54] <Eleaf> I'm not sure what the pulseaudio server is (in the form of an argument for pasuspender)
[00:56] <chapocer1> sometimes my downloads dont show up when i tell them to.. but i have a feeling its this lame sidebar thing i have
[00:56] <chapocer1> @boohbah
[00:57] <achiang> been testing hardy on my hp nc6220 for a while now, somewhere in the upgrade process, video playback got hosed
[00:57] <achiang> nothing informative in launchpad... any clues before i file a bug?
[00:57] <achiang> wmv, ogg are the two file formats i've tested, and both seem b0rken
[00:58] <achiang> tried both totem and mplayer as well
[00:59] <Sergeant_Pony> cowbud you around?
[00:59] <dotech> so funny, after 12 hours of debugging this audio problem
[00:59] <dotech> i finally fix it, and then Sirius decides to lock me out at that exact moment
[00:59] <dotech> just my luck :(
[00:59] <Eleaf> I'm not sure if hardy can get away with not supporting many audios apps like audacity.
[00:59] <tyler_d> anyone help me troubleshoot a vpn connection issue
[00:59] <Eleaf> (because of pulseaudio)
[01:01] <Eleaf> pulseaudio seems to use a lot of cpu usage and skips a bit.
[01:01] <Eleaf> Will hardy really be able to be released like that?
[01:02] <dotech> my pulseaudio always fails
[01:02] <cyphase> is the new Share tab in nautilus working for anyone?
[01:02] <dotech> i.e., "Cannot connect, connection refused"
[01:02] <dotech> i have to reboot to fix it
[01:02] <dotech> and im not doing anything over the network here
[01:06] <dotech> anyways, the fact that i finally fixed the audio output is awesome!
[01:06] <dotech> its all in the Volume Control, I was always looking in the Manager
[01:07] <dotech> is there any way to prevent my audio device from playing the Ubuntu Login noise when I connect it?
[01:07] <dotech> its kind of annoying :)
[01:08] <mophead> go to applications, add/remove and look up wifi radar
[01:09] <mophead> whoops, wropng channel
[01:13] <hmuller> dotech: If you are using gnome, investigate System > Preferences > Sound
[01:14] <level1__> is there a way to re-enable the xorg.conf in hardy
[01:15] <Dr_willis> generate a new one with whatever tool you want. I think works
[01:15] <level1__> Dr_willis: but I changed the configuration and X just ignored it
[01:15] <level1__> I want my keyboard driver back!
[01:15] <lordleemo> how do i turn off this fookin annoying network authentcation
[01:15] <Dr_willis> No idea then level1_  - ive seen others that add new sections to the xorg.conf.
[01:15] <Dr_willis> and those got used.
[01:16] <Dr_willis> what keyboard driver are we talking about?
[01:16] <hmuller> level1__: did you restart X afterwards?  I'm using a custom xorg.conf, autoconfig just doesn't do it for me
[01:16] <level1__> Dr_willis: I changed my keyboard driver from kdb to keyboard because kdb doesnt allow you to shift function keys
[01:16] <level1__> hmuller: yeah, is there something else I have to do
[01:17] <Nis2k> Question, How do I report a pidgin bug?
[01:17] <level1__> should I restart
[01:17] <Dr_willis> Shift FUnctionkeys.. Hmm...
[01:17] <xtknight> Nis2k, out of curiousity which one?  i just reported a bug where the window wasnt flashing
[01:17] <xtknight> !launchpad | Nis2k
[01:17] <ubotu> Nis2k: Launchpad is a collection of development services for Open Source projects. It's Ubuntu's bug tracker, and much more; see https://launchpad.net/
[01:17] <Dr_willis> cant recall ever doing that. :)
[01:17] <hmuller> level1__: That should do the trick, what is /var/log/Xorg.0.log saying?
[01:17] <level1__> Dr_willis: its because I radically remapped my keyboard
[01:17] <Dr_willis> You Leet radical Linux User!
[01:18]  * hmuller laughs
[01:19] <Nis2k> xtknight, every time i open it my comp freezes
[01:19] <xtknight> Nis2k, do you have a launchpad acct?
[01:19] <Nis2k> xtknight, yes, from dektop bar
[01:19] <xtknight> your whole computer freezes hard?  do you have an idea if the X server is crashing, or if there is a kernel panic?
[01:20] <Nis2k> xtknight, kernel panic
[01:20] <xtknight> :O
[01:20] <Nis2k> and i cant remove it
[01:20] <xtknight> what can you not remove?
[01:20] <Nis2k> not even from terminal
[01:21] <Nis2k> pidgin
[01:21] <level1__> Dr_willis: I moved symbol keys around so that I could have the arrows keys close to my hands.  I put the question mark and the apostrophe as shift f2 and shift f4, for example
[01:21] <level1__> and now I cant use them
[01:21] <level1__> can someone type a pipe for me
[01:21] <level1__> never mind
[01:21] <xtknight> well what happens?  "sudo apt-get remove pidgin" for example
[01:21] <Nis2k> every time I try to remove it, it freezes qith kernel panic
[01:21] <xtknight> hmmm
[01:21] <xtknight> :|
[01:21] <xtknight> Nis2k, that only happens when you try to remove pidgin?
[01:21] <xtknight> this sounds more hardware related to me
[01:21] <Nis2k> xtknight
[01:22] <Nis2k> xtknight o, when i try to open it tooo
[01:22] <Nis2k> no*
[01:22] <Nis2k> xtknight, it also freezes when you try to open it.
[01:23] <xtknight> Nis2k, can you pastebin a log of your kernel (it would be in /var/log/messages.x) where .x is a higher number, probably
[01:23] <level1__> (II) LoadModule: "kbd"
[01:23] <level1__> it shouldnt be doing that
[01:23] <xtknight> this should be filed as a kernel bug, because a panic is an unhandled kernel exception, at least as far as i know.
[01:24] <Nis2k> xtknight, I didnt copy the kernel panic number
[01:24] <xtknight> Nis2k, yes but ubuntu may have copied it to /var/log somewhere?
[01:24] <hmuller> level1__: Looks like you just stumbled onto useful information
[01:24] <Nis2k> xtknight, yes, but where?
[01:24] <level1__> hmuller: yeah
[01:24] <xtknight> Nis2k, well you can look at date and time, last modified, under /var/log/  with nautilus
[01:25] <xtknight> Nis2k, if you can remember the last time it crashed.  but let me ask you, what's the highest number you have of messages?  like messages.0, messages.1
[01:25] <xtknight> messages is under /var/log
[01:25] <level1__> hmuller: so what should I do
[01:25] <Eleaf> Is there any way to disable pulseaudio?
[01:25] <Dr_willis> !pulseaudio
[01:25] <ubotu> PulseAudio is a sound server intended as a drop-in replacement for !ESD - See https://wiki.ubuntu.com/PulseAudio for information and installation instructions
[01:26] <Dr_willis> No idea. :) thats the only info i have on pulseaudio
[01:26] <hmuller> level1__: I'm only a level 1 X jedi knight,  I'm guessing this keyboard driver you are trying to use, is not present
[01:27] <mophead> !esd
[01:27] <ubotu> esd is the enlightened sound deamon. It's deprecated, use !alsa instead
[01:27] <Nis2k> xtknight, how do i see it?
[01:27] <xtknight> Nis2k, type nautilus /var/log
[01:27] <Nis2k> xtknight, ok
[01:28] <level1__> hmuller: looks like Im gonna use gutsy until I have retroport the keyboard driver
[01:28] <Eleaf> I just can't get audacity to work in hardy
[01:28] <xtknight> my audacity works
[01:28] <level1__> because thats just stupid
[01:28] <Eleaf> I killed pulseaudio, and audio still won't play
[01:28] <Eleaf> how xtknight ?
[01:28] <hmuller> level1__: This keyboard driver you mentioned earlier doesn't seem to be installed in a standard X install, where does it come from?
[01:28] <xtknight> Eleaf, i dont know.  by default.  it seems to be using ALSA output plugin tho
[01:28] <xtknight> Eleaf, i used to have problems with mplayer if i didn't use -ao pulseaudio option.  updates fixed it.
[01:29] <Eleaf> I don't get it, audacity CAN'T use pulseaudio.
[01:29] <xtknight> ya mine doesnt work w/ pulseaudio, it does w/ alsa
[01:29] <mophead> !alsa
[01:29] <ubotu> If you're having problems with sound, first ensure ALSA is selected, by double clicking on the volume control, then File -> Change Device (ALSA Mixer). If that fails, see https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Sound - https://help.ubuntu.com/community/SoundTroubleshooting - http://alsa.opensrc.org/DmixPlugin - For playing audio files, see !Players and !MP3
[01:30] <jblack> Has anyone upgraded to hardy tonight, and found that they can no longer browse google.com and  ubuntu.com ?
[01:30] <Eleaf> xtknight, how do you get it to run with alsa?
[01:30] <xtknight> jblack, works for me
[01:30] <xtknight> Eleaf, i dont know.  it just worked by default ??
[01:30] <hmuller> jblack: works for me also
[01:30] <xtknight> Eleaf, alsa output in the preferences
[01:30] <Eleaf> I know, but you can't use alsa with pulseaudio
[01:30] <hmuller> jblack: but I am working from a fresh hardy install also ...
[01:30] <Eleaf> pulseaudio takes over alsa and no other soundserver/application can access alsa directly
[01:30] <dotech> hmuller: thanks!
[01:30] <xtknight> Eleaf, i dont know if im using pulesaudio
[01:30] <Eleaf> xtknight, so if pulseaudio is running, programs can't use alsa directly
[01:30] <xtknight> doesn't hardy have pulseaudio enabled by default?
[01:31] <dotech> xtknight, yes
[01:31] <Eleaf> xtknight, type ps aux | grep pulse in a terminal for a sec
[01:31] <hmuller> dotech: I can't remember what I did, but you are most welcome
[01:31] <xtknight> Eleaf, yes i have several pulse running
[01:31] <xtknight> andy      6832  0.1  0.1 148324  6644 ?        Sl   19:47   0:03 /usr/bin/pulseaudio --log-target=syslog
[01:31] <xtknight> etc
[01:31] <jblack> Ok. Found it. I had another copy of firefox running on a different window.
[01:31] <Eleaf> ok
[01:31] <Sergeant_Pony> Eleaf: I have all options setup in sound pref's to use pulse audio
[01:31] <dotech> hmuller: told me how to change the investigate system sounds :)
[01:31] <Eleaf> Sergeant_Pony, in audacity?
[01:31] <xtknight> i didnt touch any settings anywhere and it just worked
[01:31] <hmuller> dotech: ahh yes, the low hanging fruit!  =)
[01:31] <Eleaf> wow, can you record too?
[01:32] <xtknight> i'm not sure
[01:32] <Sergeant_Pony> oh, sorry... never mind I never used audacity
[01:32] <Eleaf> but you can play files?
[01:32] <xtknight> i can play files ya
[01:32] <Eleaf> hmm
[01:32] <xtknight> sorry im using audacious not audacity
[01:32] <xtknight> my bad
[01:32] <dotech> hmuller, temporarily i just disabled the log in sound... no idea why it was playing that when i connected a new usb device though
[01:32] <xtknight> let me try audacity
[01:33] <dotech> i do still want the actual log in sound, but i can deal without it for now haha
[01:33] <bluefoxx> i love alltray XD
[01:33] <xtknight> Eleaf, i can also play files in audacity by default.  both audacity and audacious
[01:33] <Eleaf> I get this about 30 times when I open audacity:  Expression 'ret' failed in 'src/hostapi/alsa/pa_linux_alsa.c', line: 1034
[01:33] <Eleaf> Expression 'AlsaOpen( hostApi, parameters, streamDir, &pcm )' failed in 'src/hostapi/alsa/pa_linux_alsa.c', line: 1066
[01:34] <xtknight> sounds like an incorrect default device or soething
[01:34] <xtknight> my alsa runs fine with pulseaudio side by side
[01:34] <xtknight> no warnings in console
[01:34] <Eleaf> I wonder how I set it to the right device, I tried every options in preferences, all of which are what I normallly use
[01:34] <xtknight> preferences sound i suppose
[01:35] <dotech> if you use pulseaudio, get the pulseaudio device chooser
[01:35] <xtknight> does Test in preferences->Sound give you sound?
[01:35] <Eleaf> xtknight, all other programs work with sound
[01:35] <Eleaf> of course.
[01:35] <dotech> you will have a little "line in" icon in the top right
[01:35] <Eleaf> sounds works fine in all others
[01:35] <dotech> open the Volume manager in that
[01:35] <dotech> it lets you move any sink that applications use
[01:35] <dotech> and set the default sink
[01:35] <Eleaf> well, I'm trying without pulseaudio right now
[01:35] <xtknight> Eleaf, maybe audacity is trying to open a bit rate that your device doesn't support.  or something.  i'm really not sure
[01:35] <Eleaf> dotech, pulseaudio with other programs works okay
[01:35] <Eleaf> xtknight, why would it be so slow?
[01:36] <dotech> Eleaf, is the problem just no sound?
[01:36] <xtknight> Eleaf, slow?
[01:36] <Eleaf> takes about 20 seconds to close the preferences window
[01:36] <xtknight> hmmm
[01:36] <Eleaf> dotech, yeah, and slow in audacity
[01:36] <xtknight> Eleaf, run gnome-sound-properties in terminal and watch for errors
[01:36] <Eleaf> also this error in audacity:  Expression 'tempDevHandle = open( deviceInfo->name, flags )' failed in 'src/hostapi/oss/pa_unix_oss.c', line: 690
[01:36] <Eleaf> (terminal)
[01:37] <Eleaf> the problem is only audacity xtknight
[01:37] <dotech> Eleaf, slow not sure about, for no sound you can open the volume control and in the playback tab it should show any streams
[01:37] <xtknight> Eleaf, which preferences dialog is slow?
[01:37] <Eleaf> nope, no errors with gnome-sound
[01:37] <Eleaf> xtknight, edit -> preferences in audacity
[01:37] <dotech> if you have the stream there you can make sure it is going to the right device, if it is then there's something else goin gon
[01:37] <Eleaf> dotech, what do you mean?
[01:37] <Eleaf> I'm not using pulseaudio right now, for debugging
[01:38] <xtknight> Eleaf, my devices are set to OSS there
[01:38] <Eleaf> just plain audacity -> alsa
[01:38] <Nis2k> xtknight, i cant find the log
[01:38] <dotech> Eleaf, yeah i know, if you switch back to it you can try that though
[01:38] <dotech> just suggesting something to look at
[01:38] <xtknight> Nis2k, so it's not in messages.0 or messages.1, or messages.2, etc
[01:38] <Nis2k> mhh lemme see
[01:39] <dotech> Eleaf, for example, Flash wouldn't play sound, but paplay would
[01:39] <Eleaf> I can't even get audacity to work with alsa
[01:39] <Eleaf> I get sound in flash
[01:39] <dotech> i had to change the sink for Flash in that thing
[01:39] <Eleaf> all my sound programs work but audacity... I need audacity to do some recording
[01:39] <dotech> maybe it wasn't using the correct source in audacity then?
[01:39] <Eleaf> I use audacity every other day normally, I also had this problem in gutsy, I thought upgrading might help.
[01:40] <xtknight> Nis2k, so you're getting a true kernel panic where your keyboard lights are flashing?
[01:40] <Eleaf> dotech, how would I change that?  I tried every option in preferences for output/input
[01:40] <Nis2k> xtknight, no, not in messages .0
[01:40] <Nis2k> neither in messages
[01:40] <Eleaf> none results in playability/recordability, audacity just says the soundcard is in use
[01:40] <Nis2k> xtknight, yes i had a kernel panic
[01:40] <xtknight> Eleaf, maybe check permissions on /dev/dsp ?
[01:41] <xtknight> i dunno why it's only audacity though
[01:41] <xtknight> Nis2k, ok somehow you will have to dump this
[01:41] <Nis2k> before, it said something like unable to sync something
[01:41]  * Dr_willis installs  audacity
[01:41] <Eleaf> gaah!
[01:42] <xtknight> Nis2k, "If the crash completely locks the system, try rebooting to a known working kernel and see if any backtrace was logged to /var/log/kern.log.0 ."
[01:42] <dotech> Eleaf, sorry i haven't tried any audio input yet
[01:42] <Eleaf> audacity takes a very long time to startup..
[01:42] <xtknight> Nis2k, also see https://help.ubuntu.com/community/DebuggingSystemCrash
[01:42] <Eleaf> normally it's almost instant, not it takes about 9 seconds
[01:42] <dotech> anyone here use more than 2 monitors?
[01:42] <Eleaf> and those errors show many times in the terminal
[01:42] <xtknight> dotech, at times, 2 monitors and tvout
[01:42] <Nis2k> xtknight, ok ill check it, and then report it backhe ere
[01:43] <Eleaf> should I be using the generic kernel?
[01:43] <xtknight> Eleaf, what are you using?
[01:43] <dotech> my configuration is actually 2 1680x1050 monitors on the left and right, 1050x1680 in teh center
[01:43] <xtknight> generic sure
[01:43] <xtknight> oh nice
[01:43] <dotech> was just curious how much pain i'm in for :)
[01:43] <xtknight> dotech, what video card.
[01:43] <Eleaf> I hear there are huge audio problems whether you use one or the other.
[01:43] <dotech> i have 2 7600gt cards
[01:43] <Eleaf> restart... grr.
[01:43] <dotech> nvidia
[01:43] <xtknight> Nis2k, ok.  basically i think that site tells you to reproduce the crash, then press alt +sysrq+ 1 (one)
[01:43] <xtknight> Nis2k, When the crash occurs, press Alt+SysRq+1 (one, not L) followed by Alt+SysRq+t.
[01:43] <xtknight> If the system is sufficiently alive, it will also be logged to /var/log/kern.log and visible in the output from dmesg.
[01:43] <Sergeant_Pony> is there a config file I canlook at for pulse audio?
[01:44] <xtknight> dotech, nvidia is easy to use
[01:44] <xtknight> i have nvidia
[01:44] <dotech> Sergeant_Pony, i have some things you can check
[01:44] <dotech> Sergeant_Pony, i fixed my problem
[01:44] <xtknight> dang what's with all the pulse problems
[01:44] <dotech> xtknight, nice, i'll be doing that in an hour or so
[01:44] <Sergeant_Pony> dotech I have pulse audio working 100% until I reboot
[01:44] <xtknight> dotech, feel free to ask questions
[01:44] <xtknight> dotech, i actually use nouveau open source drier
[01:44] <xtknight> now
[01:44] <dotech> Sergeant_Pony, what are you using to configure pulseaudio?
[01:45] <Sergeant_Pony> dotech I did it all from commandline
[01:45] <dotech> xtknight, is that better than the nvidia for what im trying to do?
[01:45] <dotech> Sergeant_Pony, thats why, the settings won't be saved
[01:45] <dotech> did you use pacmd?
[01:45] <Sergeant_Pony> pacmd?
[01:45] <xtknight> dotech, somewhat yes.  it's a really early stage driver and harder to install though.  it has extremely limited 3d support
[01:45] <xtknight> dotech, but it cooperates with X server and ubuntu applets better.
[01:45] <xtknight> so you might consider it someday
[01:45] <dotech> thats the CLI for the pulseaudio server, lets you change settings on the fly but they aren't preserved between reboots
[01:46] <Sergeant_Pony> dotech oh, ok
[01:46] <dotech> xtknight, hmm i'll have to check it out
[01:46] <xtknight> dotech, #nouveau
[01:46] <xtknight> they welcome testers
[01:46] <dotech> i don't do too much with games so 3d acceleration isn't really a problem
[01:46] <xtknight> keep in mind it's alpha though so expect bugs.  but i ran it with 2d for days and nothing but smooth performance
[01:46] <dotech> mostly just development, hence my portrait oriented monitor in the center :)
[01:47] <Dr_willis>  audacity  seems to be workign fine here.
[01:47] <dotech> not to mention that websites look awesome in that format
[01:47] <xtknight> and configurable multimonitor.  you can rotate one monitor independent from the others.  keep in mind support is a little limited as well, not many people use it yet, but i can show you what i did
[01:47] <dotech> Sergeant_Pony, the PulseAudio tool in the top right with the audio cable
[01:47] <dotech> click that and go to Volume Control
[01:47] <xtknight> i mean #nouveau is basically a developer channel
[01:47] <jcarey75> Eleaf: I just installed audacity also, just doing some general testing, works so far though. standard Hardy amd64 install
[01:47] <pen> is there anyway to change resolution of grub?
[01:47] <dotech> Sergeant_Pony, the first tab is "Playback", start playing your audio stream and see if the application appears there
[01:48] <xtknight> !fb
[01:48] <ubotu> Information about changing your framebuffer modes in GRUB can be found at https://wiki.ubuntu.com/FrameBuffer#grub
[01:48] <dotech> if it does, right click and make sure the sink is correct
[01:48] <xtknight> pen: ^
[01:48] <level1> hmuller: I have a reliable internet connection now
[01:48] <pen> xtknight: :)
[01:48] <dotech> Sergeant_Pony, also, in the "Output devices" tab, right click the "Simultaneous output" device and click Default
[01:48] <level1> hmuller: do you think there is anything I can do besides file a bug report?
[01:48] <xtknight> dotech, actually if you want to do it soon i can just help you get started w/ nouveau
[01:48] <Dr_willis> i will point out im using KDE not gnome. :) so not sure how tha taffexts pulseaudio
[01:48] <hmuller> level1:  this is the keyboard driver issue?
[01:49] <dotech> xtknight, i'll be doing it soon, i just needed my audio working so i could put my windows machine back
[01:49] <dotech> after the hockey game :)
[01:49] <xtknight> ahh
[01:49] <xtknight> fine by me
[01:49] <xtknight> ill be here pretty much all night anyways
[01:49] <xtknight> vacation ;)
[01:49] <dotech> haha nice
[01:49] <xtknight> and the first thing i wanna do is test hardy!
[01:49] <xtknight> aren't i such a geek
[01:49] <dotech> its way better than installing vista
[01:49] <Sergeant_Pony> dotech now it won't play my cd... gstreamer error... it worked before
[01:49] <xtknight> haha
[01:50] <pen> xtknight: I want to grub menu resolution not the splash
[01:50] <xtknight> pen, hm i dont really know.  does the grub menu need to look that good? :p
[01:50] <Sergeant_Pony> dotech... connection refused
[01:50] <hmuller> level1:  this was the keyboard driver issue?
[01:50] <pen> xtknight: I have a cool cosmos backgroun want to add to it
[01:50] <xtknight> pen, i think it uses some dos mode like 720x480 or something.  not sure if there's anything you can do
[01:50] <dotech> Sergeant_Pony, i've had that happen too and i really want to figure that out... a reboot will fix it
[01:50] <pen> xtknight: but with low resolution it looks awful
[01:50] <xtknight> pen, but perhaps modifying&recompiling grub would do it.
[01:50] <dotech> Sergeant_Pony, i think as long as settings aren't changed it wont happen, but as we mess aroudn with it it happens
[01:51] <pen> xtknight: how ?
[01:51] <pen> xtknight: is there a wiki for it?
[01:51] <xtknight> if you're lucky you can change a fb mode from like 0x370 to 0x888 or w/e your fb code is
[01:51] <Sergeant_Pony> I'm going to reboot
[01:51] <xtknight> pen, doubt it.  but im not sure
[01:51] <Sergeant_Pony> brb
[01:51] <dotech> ok
[01:51] <dotech> we should figure that out
[01:51] <dotech> pulseaudio randomly dies if you change too many sound settings :)
[01:52] <level1> hmuller: yes
[01:52] <hmuller> level1: How did you install this driver in Gutsy?
[01:53] <xtknight> pen, does this at all help you http://ph.ubuntuforums.com/showthread.php?t=119696
[01:53] <level1> hmuller: by installing gutsy.  It came with gutsy
[01:53] <pen> xtknight: ha, I was just on the archive version of that thread ;D
[01:54] <hmuller> level1: Then I think the next reasonable step would be to initiate a bug, you have a launchpad account?
[01:54] <level1> hmuller: I'm not going to switch to hardy unless i can fix this
[01:54] <level1> hmuller: yeah
[01:54] <level1> hmuller: I'm about to
[01:54] <pen> xtknight: thx for the full version :)
[01:54] <xtknight> :p
[01:55] <xtknight> level1, what again is the problem?
[01:55] <level1> xtknight: I can't use the "keyboard" driver in place of the "kbd" driver in hardy
[01:55] <level1> xtknight: I could in gutsy
[01:57] <xtknight> level1, ah xserver-xorg-input-keyboard vs xserver-xorg-input-kbd ?
[01:57] <level1> xtknight: yeah
[01:57] <dotech> anyone know how to save the settings for pulseaudio?
[01:58] <hmuller> level1: There must be a way to install or upgrade a Gutsy package to Hardy, but I haven't done that yet and don't know how
[01:58] <xtknight> level1, well it is the same thing as kbd in gutsy
[01:58] <xtknight> level1, http://packages.ubuntu.com/search?keywords=xserver-xorg-input-keyboard&searchon=sourcenames&suite=gutsy&section=all
[01:58] <level1> xtknight: except I'm not sure they were ever seperate packages because there is no input-keyboard package in gutsy
[01:58] <Sergeant_Pony> back
[01:58] <dotech> Sergeant_Pony, i guess the settings in the Volume Control aren't persistent either, I just rebooted and it reverted
[01:58] <xtknight> level1, keyboard is a source pkg that builds 'kbd'.  so they are not separate.
[01:58] <level1> I stand corrected
[01:58] <xtknight> keyboard probably would give you no install candidate or link to kbd
[01:59] <xtknight> but anyway how are you tryig to use keyboard?  what is the diff ?
[01:59] <level1> xtknight: kbd won't shift function keys
[01:59] <level1> xtknight: which includes apostrophe, question mark, vertical pipe, and some other stuff on my keyboard layout
[01:59] <xtknight> level1, is this a different driver you specified in xorg.conf?  both 'kbd' and 'keyboard' in xorg.conf worked in gutsy?
[01:59] <Sergeant_Pony> yup, same here
[01:59] <xtknight> level1, i mean 'keyboard' gave you extra functionality in gutsy?
[02:00] <level1> xtknight: yeah
[02:00] <level1> xtknight: but xorg loads kbd even why keyboard is selected in xorg.conf in hardy
[02:00] <xtknight> level1, they both provide only one library, kbd_drv.so
[02:01] <xtknight> maybe an X server update has caused a regression
[02:01] <level1> xtknight: I tried to installed the gutsy binary package in hardy but dpkg absolutely refuses to do it
[02:01] <xtknight> dpkg --force-all can, but it's dangerous
[02:01] <level1> I may just force it
[02:01] <xtknight> it probably won't work
[02:01] <xtknight> the library is a different version than your Xorg.  gutsy has 7.2, hardy has 7.3
[02:01] <level1> because the only other option is to reinstall gutsy
[02:01] <xtknight> well not really.  let's see what the problem is first
[02:02] <level1> xtknight: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/xserver-xorg-input-keyboard/+bug/212602
[02:02] <ubotu> Launchpad bug 212602 in xserver-xorg-input-keyboard ""keyboard" driver no longer availible in hardy" [Undecided,New]
[02:02] <xtknight> i mean all you might have to do is recompile xorg 7.3's keyboard driver
[02:02] <xtknight> and stick it in hardy
[02:02] <level1> xtknight: okay
[02:02] <dotech> Sergeant_Pony: i am searching for a way to save the settings
[02:02] <level1> xtknight: I know how to program but I don't know how to package stuff, can you walk me through it?
[02:03] <xtknight> level1, yea i can help you build a pkg for it.  but hmm... i wanna see first what the difference between the gutsy and hardy pkg is.  that's the first step.  e.g., why gutsy has a keyboard driver and hardy does not.  or does hardy's xorg just not load keyboard properly, does keyboard even exist, etc...
[02:04] <level1> xtknight: I heard that 7.3 isn't as xorg.conf centric; is it possible hardy is simply ignoring my xorg.conf?
[02:04] <level1> seems probable
[02:04] <xtknight> ya
[02:04] <xtknight> thats what im thinkin
[02:05] <Sergeant_Pony> dotech ok
[02:05] <level1> xtknight: how would I find out?
[02:05] <hmuller> level1: xtknight: 7.3 uses my custom xorg.conf just fine
[02:05] <xtknight> level1, well im looking at the differences between packages right now.  one sec
[02:05] <level1> hmuller: its possible it ignores xorg.conf in parts
[02:05] <dotech> Sergeant_Pony, i think it's the /etc/pulse/daemon.conf or /etc/pulse/client.conf file
[02:05] <jordan_> level1, I don't think that Xorg would simply ignore your xorg.conf
[02:06] <jordan_> level1, What makes you think that it is?
[02:06] <hmuller> level1: The only section  I did not customize is the kbd inputdevice section
[02:06] <Sergeant_Pony> dotech brb
[02:07] <level1> jordan_: in my Xorg.0.log, it says "loading module kbd" but it doesn't say anything like "could not load keyboard, loading kbd instead"
[02:07] <level1> jordan_: so that says to me that xorg wasnt even aware that I wanted keyboard
[02:08] <jordan_> level1, Can you pastebin your xorg.conf ?
[02:09] <xtknight> level1, how about you use startx -- -logverbose 6
[02:09] <xtknight> or whatever the command is
[02:09] <level1> jordan_: it'll take me a moment
[02:09] <xtknight> ya that's it
[02:09] <dotech> crimsun, do you know how to save the changes made in the PulseAudio Volume Control?  the changes are not persistent across reboots
[02:10] <xtknight> level1, here is a DIFF of gutsy vs hardy's kbd src package.  http://rafb.net/p/sq3QdC79.html
[02:11] <jordan_> level1, I heard somewhere that keyboard was being deprecated
[02:11] <level1> oh, btw, I look forward to the day when pcspkr is disabled by default
[02:11] <level1> jordan_: I'm not suprised, nor do I really care
[02:12] <dunnix>  I woke up this morning with a ubuntu update message suggesting a "partial upgrade"  I did it, and now firefox 3.0 is not there... I am using 8.04 hardy   any ideas?
[02:13] <dotech> dunnix go to synapse and install firefox 3
[02:13] <dotech> it will work now
[02:13] <jordan_> dunnix, Make sure that ubuntu-desktop is installed
[02:13] <dotech> there was a dependancy issue earlier that caused the problem
[02:13] <Sergeant_Pony> dotech back
[02:13] <dunnix> yeah thats why I'm doin, should i be worried about any other missing software?
[02:13] <dotech> i dont think so
[02:13] <dotech> worked fine for me
[02:14] <jordan_> dunnix, As long as you have the ubuntu-desktop meta-package, no
[02:14] <level1> xtknight: startx didn't work at all this time, and the Xorg.0.log isn't any different anyways
[02:14] <level1> let me try kdm
[02:14] <dotech> Sergeant_Pony, okay, i'm still looking
[02:14] <dunnix> thanks jordan_ and dotech!
[02:14] <ader10> Half of my applications fail to load (I think it's a gtk problem). Any help/ideas please?
[02:15] <bobbo85> Hi all, is there any way to make mplayer's volume not affect other programs like Rhythmbox?
[02:15] <ader10> I'm attempting to load brasero mainly, and it never gets past a blank window
[02:15] <xtknight> level1, hmm?
[02:15] <xtknight> level1, well startx should be independent of display manager i think.
[02:16] <xtknight> level1, you can try "sudo /etc/init.d/gdm stop" and then "startx -- -logverbose 6" (it is that exact cmd with -- -).
[02:16]  * ader10 proudly hasn't typed startx since slackware
[02:16] <pen> is fb enabled by default?
[02:16] <crdlb> ader10: did you try running in a terminal perhaps?
[02:16] <ader10> crdlb: Yes, it simply makes a newline and stops
[02:17] <ader10> by stops, I mean, stuck in an infinite loop or something
[02:17] <jordan_> bobbo, mplayers volume control doesn't affect any of my other apps, though I don't use Rhythmbox
[02:17] <xtknight> level1, "Also remove old code only needed for obsolete "keyboard" driver"
[02:17] <xtknight> this is what i see in the diff
[02:17] <Sergeant_Pony> dotech after all that work now I cna't get it to work...
[02:17] <crdlb> ader10: such as the gtk mainloop :)
[02:17] <dotech> Sergeant_Pony, what is the problem now?
[02:17] <level1> xtknight: oh I missed the --
[02:17] <ader10> hah, now even gnome-terminal won't staryt
[02:17] <ader10> s/staryt/start/
[02:18] <level1> xtknight: well, lets just underemove it
[02:18] <xtknight> level1, if i were you i'd just leave that bug filed.  except change it to "kbd driver does not support function key shfting" or w/e your bug was
[02:19] <bobbo85> jordan_, for me I don't know why but music programs such as amarok will go silent if i turn the volume down on a movie playing in mplayer
[02:19] <Krzzzz> hello folks
[02:19] <xtknight> level1, and you can mark it as a regression
[02:20] <Krzzzz> does anyone here have any experience with Gnome-voice-control?
[02:20] <ader10> Since gnome-terminal won't start up maybe I can try running brasero on a virtual terminal. What's the program called that does something like "fake framebuffer" to run x programs in terminal
[02:20] <dotech> Sergeant_Pony, i'm going to edit my pulseaudio daemon config manually
[02:20] <level1> xtknight: well, if its not fixed by the final release (and i have a feeling it won't) I'll have to move back to gutsy
[02:21] <level1> xtknight: so its better for me just to recompile it
[02:21] <xtknight> level1, you can help get it fixed by the time hardy is released
[02:21] <level1> xtknight: I guess
[02:21] <level1> xtknight: can you help me learn enough of the technology to fix it?
[02:21] <Krzzzz> The panel encountered a problem while loading "OAFIID:GNOME_VoiceControlApplet".
[02:21] <xtknight> level1, if you fix it by recompiling something then you can request a new version of that package
[02:21] <Sergeant_Pony> dotech I followed the directions given to me by cowbud and now it don't want to work
[02:21] <xtknight> level1, yeah ill help you with all the launchpad fuzzy stuff
[02:21] <Krzzzz> i get that mistake when i try to add an applet to the panels
[02:22] <ader10> Meh... I'll just restart the box. It's probably some runaway daemon.
[02:22] <xtknight> level1, i would try Xorg 'git'
[02:22] <xtknight> for that driver at least
[02:22] <level1> xtknight: I meant more the X technology stuff.  I know C but I really don't understand Xorg
[02:22] <level1> xtknight: I'd rather just modify ubuntu's source package...  its a lot easier for me
[02:22] <xtknight> level1, oh well i have no idea about xorg code either much.  i gues i know a little about it.  but i'm just suggesting compiling the new keyboard driver from xorg git
[02:23] <xtknight> level1, what we'd do is compile the new keyboard driver from git.  if it fixes it, we'd diff the original ubuntu package against it and suggest that as a patch.
[02:23] <level1> xtknight: but I thought the ubuntu was trying to get rid of keyboard
[02:23] <xtknight> level1, well kbd or w/e
[02:23] <dotech> Sergeant_Pony do you just not have sound?
[02:23] <level1> xtknight: so they won't accept it as a patch
[02:23] <xtknight> level1, i mean a newer version of kbd might support what you want
[02:23] <level1> xtknight: unlikely
[02:24] <level1> xtknight: theres probably some developer that thinks its a feature
[02:24] <level1> "who would ever want to shift a function key?"
[02:24] <xtknight> well ask in #Xorg
[02:24] <xtknight> probably the best /easiest idea right now
[02:25] <protonchris> level1: doesn't hurt to ask
[02:25] <jordan_> level1, So you are planning on just continuously maintaining keyboard for yourself as Xorg moves on instead of trying to get kbd to do what you need?
[02:26] <level1> jor
[02:26] <xtknight> it is compelling, although probably best to solve root of the problem.  most of the developres are willing to implement patches, especially if other people post premade patches.
[02:27] <level1> jordan_: theoretically, I could get keyboard without having to modify code that I'm not familiar with and introduce new bugs
[02:29] <bobbo85> Where do I select the default application for ipods in Hardy?  I don't see it in "removable devices and media"
[02:29] <rww> Hey, everyone. My hardy install just froze up: I can still see my windows and everything on screen, but they don't respond to keyboard or mouse input. This was in my syslog: http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/62275/ . Anyone have any ideas?
[02:29] <level1> xtknight: #xorg is such a quiet channel
[02:29] <xtknight> yeah
[02:29] <mohamed_> hello all i'm running mplayer play mpeg files and got this error " AO: [pulse] Failed to connect to server:Connection refused " anyone help ?
[02:30] <dotech> mohamed_, restart pulseaudio
[02:30] <dotech> or reboot :)
[02:30] <mohamed_> dotech: i didn't deal with pulseaudio b4 :)
[02:30] <xtknight> level1, i'd have to understand what exactly the functionality was though because i dont know what shifting function keys means
[02:30] <mohamed_> dotech:  now it exist instead of alsa ?
[02:30] <rww> Oh, I forgot to mention: everything works if I reboot it, but this is the second time it's happened (seemingly at random), so I figure I should fix it.
[02:30] <dotech> mohamed_, what does 'ps -ef | grep pulse' say?
[02:31] <dotech> mohamed_, pulseaudio actually controls alsa
[02:31] <dotech> i think
[02:31] <mohamed_> dotech: 25932 25915  0 03:31 pts/1    00:00:00 grep pulse
[02:31] <dotech> yea the service isn't running, i'm not sure why it keeps shutting down
[02:32] <level1> xtknight: using xmodmap its possible to extensively remap your keyboard, but there is a lot of unexpected behavior and gotchas
[02:32] <dotech> a reboot would fix that, or you could manually start it again
[02:32] <mohamed_> dotech: but i hear sound or this not related ?
[02:32] <dotech> oh you actually hear sound?
[02:32] <mohamed_> yes
[02:32] <jordan_> level1, Yes, but you will have to constantly modify keyboard to keep it up to date with new versions of Xorg, vs having Xorg maintain kbd with a new feature
[02:33] <dotech> i guess it depends how alsa is configured, you can still have sound without pulse
[02:33] <mohamed_> dotech: yes i hear sound only this error appear with mplayer
[02:33] <level1> xtknight: one of them is that if you try to map a key that is physically a function key to something like - with ? being shift-function key, it doesn't work
[02:33] <level1> xtknight: that function key will produce - even if your holding the shift button
[02:33] <level1> jordan_: I don't think we understand eachother
[02:34] <mohamed_> dotech: pulse installed by default of i should install it ?
[02:34] <dotech> in hardy it is installed by default
[02:34] <level1> jordan_: I'll keep modifing my keyboard to the end of time and be happy, just as long as Xorg gives me the power to do so
[02:34] <level1> jordan_: but this is getting in the way
[02:34] <dotech> you jus tneed to restart teh pulse service, im looking up how you cna do that now
[02:34] <xtknight> level1, how did you originally find out only "keyboard" worked
[02:34] <level1> xtknight: somewhere in a forum
[02:34] <xtknight> ah
[02:35] <level1> xtknight: from like 4 years ago, haha
[02:35] <level1> xtknight: when I first realized the problem
[02:36] <level1> jordan_: do you still want my xorg.cong and Xorg.0.logs?
[02:36] <xtknight> http://rafb.net/p/sq3QdC79.html
[02:36] <zylche> is gnome-panel going to have the minimum panel size as 25 now? I preferred 23 :(
[02:36] <xtknight> level1, at around line 7097 and below is where i start seeing changes to code
[02:36] <jordan_> level1, Yes
[02:36] <Dogma_> So, is anyone here running Ubuntu on a mac Via Paralells? I'm trying to decide if that might be a better option to dual booting.
[02:36] <xtknight> i mean possibly pertinent changes
[02:37] <jordan_> Dogma_, I don't expect that it would be much different than running in VMware
[02:37] <zylche> also, is anyone else experiencing problems with wireless expresscards not being recognised? atheros-based.
[02:37] <Dogma_> jordan_, thats right.
[02:37] <bonbonthejon> Anyone know if it is possible to run kubuntu-desktop and kubuntu-kde4-desktop on the same hardy machine?
[02:37] <Dr_willis> bonbonthejon,  i am doing that now.
[02:37] <xtknight> kbdmap is a good keyword to look at in that diff file
[02:37] <Sergeant_Pony> dotech
[02:37] <rww> Dogma_: last time I used it, it worked fine. I'm running Ubuntu via Wubi inside my Windows install, though, so I don't know if it stopped working fine.
[02:37] <xtknight> lots of kbdmap changes i dunno
[02:38] <dotech> Sergeant_Pony yep?
[02:38] <bonbonthejon> Dr_willis: how do I switch between them? just select in KDM?
[02:38] <Dr_willis> bonbonthejon,  yes.
[02:38] <Sergeant_Pony> dotech any luck? I'm not... it's broken again
[02:38] <Dr_willis> kde4 is still very lacking
[02:38] <bonbonthejon> Dr_willis: any problems so far?
[02:38] <VeN0mizer> anyone else have their firefox broken by the latest slew of upgrades?
[02:38] <bonbonthejon> Dr_willis: yeah, that's why i want to do both
[02:38] <Dogma_> rww, Thanks. At the moment I'm having alot of troubles getting all my hardware to work with 8.04, so I think it might work better if I virutalize it.
[02:38] <dotech> Sergeant_Pony, go to the volume control and make sure the playback stream is going to the right device
[02:38] <Dr_willis> bonbonthejon,  other then 2x the icons in themenus from each kde then kde4 app.. not really
[02:38] <dotech> i'm still lookign for a way to make the changes persistent
[02:39] <Dr_willis> bonbonthejon,  i do think some of the kde redundant apps got removed the other day however.
[02:39] <rww> Dogma_: Yeah, if 8.04 isn't working with your hardware, you definitely want to go with virtualization, especially if you don't need 3D acceleration.
[02:39] <bonbonthejon> Dr_willis: sounds good. I'm going to need to start submitting some of the bugs I see
[02:39] <level1> http://pastebin.ca/973349 jordan_ sorry I can't use nopaste, its not working for me for some reason.  this is my Xorg.0.log
[02:39] <dotech> mohamed_ if you log out and log back in pulse should restart
[02:39] <Dogma_> rww, Paralells recently released 3d acceleration.
[02:39] <xtknight> how do i compile an ubuntu kernel with one more config option enabled and a small patch?
[02:39] <mohamed_> thx dotech, i will do after i finish some tasks
[02:39] <Dr_willis> bonbonthejon,  it does look like. for example if there was Kgolf for KDE and Kgolf for kde4, the kgolf kde3 version got removed.
[02:40] <level1> http://pastebin.ca/973354 jordan_ this is xorg.conf
[02:40] <Sergeant_Pony> dotech I'm not sire.. output lists 3 different things
[02:40] <dotech> mohamed_, if it keeps happening there's probably some debug we can enable to get more info
[02:40] <bonbonthejon> Dr_willis: that I can live with. The biggest problem was trying to use OpenOffice messed up a lot of the graphics
[02:40] <dotech> Sergeant_Pony, your output devices?
[02:40] <Dr_willis> i dont use OOo much at all
[02:41] <mohamed_> dotech: i will restart  now and  look what will happen
[02:41] <Sergeant_Pony> dotech it lists 3 in pulseaudio volume control
[02:41] <dotech> Sergeant_Pony, right click the one you want your sound to go to, Simultaneous is the device that sends it to all of your sound devices
[02:41] <dotech> and select Default
[02:41] <Sergeant_Pony> ALSA PCM on front:0 (ALC861 Analog) via DMA
[02:41] <bonbonthejon> Dr_willis: I have a 30+ page paper to write and I've been using OOo. For some reason I don't like the way Kword works.
[02:42] <dotech> then start playing something that has sound and click the Playback tab
[02:42] <Dr_willis> I tend to just use abiword.
[02:42] <dotech> you should see the application there
[02:42] <dotech> if you right click it you can do "Move to sink" and move it to the sink that you want
[02:42] <Sergeant_Pony> dotech I don't see that option
[02:43] <Dogma_> Curious question, would you be able to enable compiz fusion on OS X, since it is a Unix system?
[02:43] <Sergeant_Pony> I'm in pulseaudio volume control
[02:43] <dotech> Sergeant_Pony, which option?
[02:43] <Sergeant_Pony> right click and make default
[02:43] <dotech> Sergeant_Pony, yep, in the Output Devices tab?
[02:43] <dotech> Sergeant_Pony, right click somewhere between the orange bars, that should work
[02:44] <Sergeant_Pony> ok... I made a default
[02:44] <rww> Anyone have any idea about http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/62275/ ?
[02:44] <Sergeant_Pony> Simultaneous output to ALSA PCM on front:0 (ALC861 Analog) via DMA
[02:44] <dotech> Sergeant_Pony, move to the Playback tab and start playing something with sound
[02:44] <bonbonthejon> Dr_willis: you played with plasmoids much? I have two questions: (1) how do I add more comics to the comics viewer. (2) I've heard you can add OSX widgets to plasma but there is no option to install more widgets.
[02:44] <dotech> Sergeant_Pony, you should see the stream appear there
[02:45] <Dr_willis> bonbonthejon,  never noticed adding any new ones.. and no idea on OSx at all.
[02:45] <Dr_willis> Id heard the GOAL was to use OSx widgets also. but not sure if thats doable yet
[02:45] <protonchris> rww: my first guess would be that it is related to fglrx (ati driver).  I would try a different drive (non-restricted).
[02:45] <jordan_> level1, And I assume you have tried leaving 'Option          "XkbOptions"    "lv3:ralt_switch"' but changing Driver to "kbd" ? If it is ignoring your xorg.conf section it might be because it assumes the options must be invalid with an 'invalid' driver?
[02:45] <bonbonthejon> Dr_willis: documentation on widgets seems to be limited
[02:45] <Sergeant_Pony> : Playback Stream
[02:46] <Sergeant_Pony> still no sound
[02:46] <Dr_willis> bonbonthejon,  like the rest of kde4 :)
[02:46] <cyclonut> anyone else amazed at how much the latest round of updates stink? :(
[02:46] <Dr_willis> bonbonthejon,  its proberly somthing all in the source code. :) and only the devs know for sure
[02:46] <dotech> Sergeant_Pony, right click that stream between the bars "Move Stream..."
[02:46] <bonbonthejon> Dr_willis: sounds like I need to do some code diving
[02:47] <dotech> Sergeant_Pony, which device has the check mark? if its not simultaneous, pick that
[02:47] <cyclonut> I've now got a super-crashy Firefox and a machine that lost all the thermal advantages Hardy had going for it until today :(
[02:47] <Dogma_> Firefox was fine for me.
[02:48] <cyclonut> I get crashes constantly, plus div flickering
[02:48] <cyclonut> I am also bitter that most of my extensions arent updated yet :-P
[02:48] <rww> protonchris: is there an alternative to fglrx with 3D acceleration?
[02:48] <protonchris> cyclonut: are you using any extensions?  If so, try disabling.
[02:48] <cyclonut> protonchris: will do
[02:48] <cyclonut> rww: aiglx
[02:49] <cyclonut> rww=readwriteweb?
[02:49] <protonchris> cyclonut: are you using beta4 or beta5?  beta5 package is out today.
[02:49] <rww> cyclonut: nope, it's my initials
[02:49] <level1> jordan_: hold on let my check that
[02:49] <bonbonthejon> protonchris: how can you tell the difference?
[02:50] <protonchris> help>About Mozilla Firefox
[02:50] <cyclonut> rww: ah
[02:50] <bonbonthejon> protonchris: oh, firefox
[02:50] <cyclonut> protonchris: beta 5
[02:50] <dotech> cyclonut, what website crashes?
[02:50] <protonchris> rww: I would try a 2D driver for now and see if you get lockups.
[02:50] <crimsun> dotech: use padevchooser
[02:51] <cyclonut> dotech: youtube, dailymotion, addictinggames
[02:51] <protonchris> bonbonthejon: Yeah, I should of be more specific :)
[02:51] <rww> protonchris: Probably a good plan. I guess I can live without compiz for a while XD
[02:51] <crimsun> dotech: left-click the tray icon, and set the default sink
[02:51] <dotech> crimsun i am using that
[02:51] <dotech> crimsun, the volume settings revert after a reboot too
[02:52] <crimsun> they're saved here
[02:52] <cyclonut> however, disabling my extensions seems to hae helped
[02:52] <Sergeant_Pony> dotech I have it working... how do I keep it?
[02:52] <dotech> Sergeant_Pony, i wish i knew haha
[02:52] <Sergeant_Pony> damn
[02:52] <dotech> im trying to get my settings to stick
[02:52] <cyclonut> also seeing what looks like memory leakage. Memory isnt returning to free after using software
[02:53] <dotech> crimsun, Sergeant_Pony's settings are reverting too
[02:53] <hotmonkeyluv> Is there, or has there ever been, XMMS for ubuntu Hardy Heron x64?
[02:53] <cyclonut> Ive used firefox and x-chat, and I am at 100mb over normal :\
[02:53] <Sergeant_Pony> cowbud said something about ctrl z and db? or something like that...
[02:54] <dotech> not sure
[02:54] <crimsun> dotech: in pavucontrol's Output Devices, did you set the default device?
[02:54] <cyclonut> Ill just wait out the next bout of updates I guess
[02:54] <cyclonut> ah, the joys of beta :)
[02:54] <level1> Jordan_U: I commented out the options that refer to kbd and it did not fix the problem
[02:54] <Sergeant_Pony> I did and on a reboot it goes back to oss
[02:54] <dotech> crimsun, yes, i set it to the Simultaneous device and it changes and works, but when i reboot it is back to the onboard device
[02:55] <mohamed_> dotech, i restart and nothing changed
[02:55] <dotech> you still have that connect error?
[02:56] <mohamed_> when playing files with vlc no error exist
[02:56] <mohamed_> only exist in case of mplayer
[02:56] <Jordan_U> level1, That is not what I meant, I meant to make it like this: http://pastebin.ca/973371
[02:56] <dotech> crimsun, maybe if i quit pavucontrol after making the changes it will save?
[02:57] <Sergeant_Pony> dotech try it
[02:57] <dotech> good thing this computer is fast, i'm rebooting a lot :)
[02:57] <Sergeant_Pony> same here
[02:57] <crimsun> dotech: I can't reproduce your errors here, but I'm using 0.9.10
[02:58] <crimsun> dotech: you can pull my changes from bzr
[02:58] <dotech> crimsun, ok thanks, i'm trying to help Sergeant_Pony too since he has the same problem
[02:59] <dotech> Sergeant_Pony, reverted still
[02:59] <Sergeant_Pony> damn
[02:59] <Sergeant_Pony>  is there a conf file or something that can be edited?
[03:00] <dotech> Sergeant_Pony, i think there's a user specific config in your home directory
[03:00] <dotech> but this tool should edit it
[03:00] <mohamed_> dotech, i change the audio output for mplayer to alsa and  the message disappear
[03:00] <dotech> crimsun, i have v0.9.5
[03:01] <crimsun> dotech: err...this is the channel for hardy.  You should be using at least 0.9.9.
[03:01] <dotech> mohamed_, nice, i guess that should work fine
[03:01] <dotech> crimsun, interesting hah
[03:01] <crimsun> dotech: why are you still using an old version?
[03:01] <dotech> crimsun, wonder how i ended up with the wrong one? I used synaptic
[03:01] <crimsun> dotech: we're talking about the daemon, pulseaudio, not any of the tools.
[03:01] <dotech> oh
[03:02] <Sergeant_Pony> dotech I'm going to take a look
[03:02] <dotech> i have 0.9.9 of pulseaudio
[03:02] <dotech> i was talking about the pavucontrol tool, that is 0.9.5
[03:03] <Sergeant_Pony> there are 3 files in the ./pulse dir
[03:03] <dotech> yep
[03:03] <Sergeant_Pony> doesn't tell me squat
[03:04] <Sergeant_Pony> all these people someone must know how to fix it
[03:05] <dotech> i think we're the only ones who are having this problem or at least the only ones noticing it
[03:05] <Sergeant_Pony> figures
[03:05] <dotech> i would have never noticed if i didn't have a second sound card
[03:05] <akk> some of us have never heard of pulseaudio :)
[03:05] <dotech> because it defaults to my onboard device
[03:05] <Sergeant_Pony> I did figure out 1 thing I forgot to fix was making it the default sink
[03:06] <crimsun> dotech: I'm using three cards, and it's configured correctly to use the usb one by default
[03:06] <dotech> crimsun, yea i know, i'm trying to figure out why yours saves settings and mine doesn't :)
[03:06] <xtknight> lol nice i was looking for wine 0.9.59 and someone just published it on their launchpad PPA one HOUR ago
[03:06] <xtknight> :)
[03:06] <crimsun> dotech: I would start by building my changes from bzr
[03:06] <dotech> what is that?
[03:07] <xtknight> thank god the file save dialog is fixed now!! no more focus problems with the text dialog
[03:07] <dotech> sorry for my lack of experience, i've only been using ubuntu for a few days now
[03:07] <crimsun> dotech: apt-get build-dep pulseaudio && bzr branch http://bazaar.launchpad.net/~ubuntu-core-dev/pulseaudio/ubuntu
[03:07] <level1> Jordan_U: thats what it looks like by default
[03:07] <dotech> ok i'll give it a shot
[03:07] <Sergeant_Pony> dotech I've been at it for a month... upgraded from 7.10
[03:08] <crimsun> dotech: also, apt-get install devscripts
[03:08] <Sergeant_Pony> crimsun what will that do?
[03:08] <crimsun> dotech: then, dget http://ftp.debian.org/debian/pool/main/p/pulseaudio/pulseaudio_0.9.10-1.dsc
[03:08] <crimsun> Sergeant_Pony: I'm telling him how to build my latest changes
[03:08] <Sergeant_Pony> ahh ok...
[03:08] <dotech> ok, i'll return in a minute after i run these commands
[03:09] <dotech> i need to get bzr too i think
[03:09] <Sergeant_Pony> I wish I knew why it won't save the changes that we made
[03:09] <xtknight> does anyone get scrollkeeper stuff all te time
[03:09] <xtknight> /var/lib/scrollkeeper/fr/scrollkeeper_extended_cl.xml:5677: parser error : Premature end of data in tag ScrollKeeperContentsList line 2
[03:10] <crimsun> dotech: dpkg-source *.dsc && rm -fr pulseaudio-0.9.10/debian && mv ubuntu pulseaudio-0.9.10/debian && cd pulseaudio-0.9.10 && fakeroot debian/rules binary
[03:10] <crimsun> dotech: sorry, that would be `dpkg-source -x *.dsc'
[03:10] <dotech> crimsun, roger
[03:10] <xtknight> what does all that do?
[03:10] <xtknight> :O
[03:10] <dotech> i'll find out :)
[03:10] <crimsun> xtknight: it builds the release that I've been testing for several days
[03:11] <xtknight> what is "mv ubuntu" ?
[03:11] <xtknight> i mean what file is ubuntu
[03:11] <dotech> im creating a package from his bzr repo i guess
[03:11] <crimsun> xtknight: ubuntu is the directory created by bzr branch
[03:11] <xtknight> oic
[03:11] <Jordan_U> level1, Ok, I am out of ideas then :(
[03:12] <Sergeant_Pony> how can I make sure that pulse audio is the default instead of oss?
[03:12] <crimsun> dotech: I'm the de facto maintainer, so please try these new packages [that you'll compile on your own machine] and let me know.
[03:12] <Sergeant_Pony> and it stay's that way?
[03:12] <DeVonne> Hey! I am wondering what is the worst that can happen if I upgrade to hardy?
[03:12] <crimsun> Sergeant_Pony: for which apps?
[03:12] <crimsun> DeVonne: your brain turns to mush?
[03:12] <Sergeant_Pony> pulse audio instead of oss
[03:12] <crimsun> Sergeant_Pony: no, which apps
[03:12] <DeVonne> I am quite serious actually
[03:12] <xtknight> DeVonne, the worst that can happen, like the absolute worst is that some terrible software destroys your cpu and video card or something.
[03:12] <Dr_willis> worst case  =  system could totally die.. :)
[03:13] <xtknight> ;p
[03:13] <Jordan_U> DeVonne, Do you have any pets or children?
[03:13] <xtknight> lol
[03:13] <Sergeant_Pony> wne I reboot it goes back to oss in my sound settings
[03:13] <Dr_willis> but that could happen with anything.
[03:13] <level1> Jordan_U: lol me too
[03:13] <DeVonne> Pets yes lol
[03:13] <crimsun> Sergeant_Pony: which sound settings?
[03:13] <akk> worst case, it wipes your entire disk, including other partitions that hardy wasn't installed to,
[03:13] <Dr_willis> Hardy is being tested.. often things break..
[03:13] <dotech> crimsun, im doing it now
[03:13] <akk> and then it goes out on your net and infects your other machines and wipes all their disks
[03:13] <Sergeant_Pony> system > pref's > sound
[03:13] <dotech> i have to type all these commands in by hand so its taking a little bit of time
[03:13] <Dr_willis> akk,  that would be a neat trick.
[03:14] <crimsun> Sergeant_Pony: it should be set to autodetect
[03:14] <akk> then it goes out on the internet and infects some SAC computers and launches nuclear missiles
[03:14] <dotech> plus there's a few packages i have to install along the way, bzr, fakeroot
[03:14] <xtknight> it's probably possible to write something to the cpu or bios to mess it up, like zero out the microcode (altho this is restored on reboot?).  i mean something could set your FSB really high
[03:14] <Dr_willis> dotech,  select text, middle click to paste
[03:14] <akk> but that hardly ever happens, so go ahead
[03:14] <dotech> im actually on a different computer here
[03:14] <xtknight> but yeah
[03:14] <dotech> keyboards next to each other
[03:14] <crimsun> Sergeant_Pony: that way GSt will choose pulsesink/src at a higher priority than alsasink/src
[03:14] <Dr_willis> dotech,  vnc to the other box, or syngery is handy :)
[03:14] <xtknight> it could generate the perfect random key to login to the president's computer and start nukes i suppose :p
[03:14] <xtknight> it's just rare
[03:14] <Dr_willis> dotech,  or ssh to the other machine.
[03:14] <Sergeant_Pony> default mixer... doesn't autodetect
[03:14] <dotech> true
[03:15] <xtknight> you can use a virtual machine too.
[03:15] <xtknight> to test hardy
[03:15] <crimsun> Sergeant_Pony: are you referring to the profiles or to the mixer selector in the mixer_applet?
[03:15] <dotech> nah thats not for me ;)
[03:15] <dotech> soon ill be in irc on there anyway
[03:15] <xtknight> dotech, so did you still want to do that nouveau thing?
[03:15] <Sergeant_Pony> in the system sound settings I have all the choices set to pulse audio
[03:16] <Sergeant_Pony> nothing is set to autodetect
[03:16] <dotech> xtknight, i'll have to try it tomorrow, i thought my sound problems were over
[03:16] <xtknight> o
[03:16] <dotech> once i fix the sound i'm moving all my computers around and hooking up the 3 monitors
[03:16] <icanhasadmin> only 20 updates today? boring :P :D
[03:16] <xtknight> one destroyed FF tho
[03:16] <xtknight> isn't that exciting?
[03:17] <dotech> crimsun, i got many rm cannot remove permission denied errors on that dpkg command
[03:17] <Jordan_U> Is there going to be much of an advantage to the average Hardy user with pulseaudio installed by default but basically no integration of tools for pulse specific features ( or will this change / am I missing them ) ?
[03:17] <crimsun> dotech: dpkg-source -x *.dsc ?
[03:17] <dotech> yea, the command after that, rm -rf pulseaudio-0.9.10/debian
[03:18] <dotech> maybe i have to put sudo in front of that as well
[03:18] <crimsun> dotech: you shouldn't be executing any of these commands as root.
[03:18] <xtknight> Jordan_U, im wondering the same thing.  it just  seems to cause problems and nothing else
[03:18] <dotech> oh ok
[03:18] <xtknight> actually i dont even know if pulse has any faetures
[03:18] <xtknight> what does it even do?
[03:18] <xtknight> :p
[03:18] <CoasterMaster> Installing ccsm should enable custom visual effects, right?
[03:18] <crimsun> Jordan_U: no.
[03:19] <icanhasadmin> CoasterMaster: no, should be there by default
[03:19] <icanhasadmin> CoasterMaster: ccsm should just let you control them better
[03:19] <icanhasadmin> CoasterMaster: #ompiz-fusion for compiz issues
[03:19] <crimsun> Jordan_U: you can help integrate them for Intrepid, however.
[03:19] <icanhasadmin> er, #compiz-fusion
[03:19] <Jordan_U> xtknight, Per application volume control, network transparency ( automatically forewarded through ssh -X ), lot's of cool stuff, none of which seems to be utilized in Hardy :(
[03:19] <xtknight> i think he wants that checkbox to show in appearances
[03:19] <derspankster> except if you have a lousy video card like me
[03:19] <Sergeant_Pony> crimsun did u get my last message?
[03:19] <xtknight> i think you install python compizconfig or something
[03:19] <crimsun> Sergeant_Pony: a private message?
[03:20] <crimsun> Sergeant_Pony: if so, no
[03:20] <dotech> Dr_willis, im using synergy actually :)
[03:20] <xtknight> Jordan_U, oh interesting.  i was thinking more along the lines of DSPs and effects.  does pulse even have that?
[03:20] <dotech> just haven't set it up in hardy yet
[03:20] <xtknight> i thought it was like a cool dj tool
[03:20] <Sergeant_Pony> no.. I don't have anything set to autodetect it's all set for pulse audio
[03:21] <Jordan_U> xtknight, No, it's a lot like ESD but better and compatible with ( almost ) everything
[03:21] <crimsun> Jordan_U: installing any of the padevchooser, pavucontrol, paman, or paprefs packages will help, though.  They're configured to pull in the ones that are missing.  From there, Applications> Sound & Video> PulseAudio Device Chooser should help.
[03:21] <Dr_willis> synergy was really laggy for some odd reason onmy laptop/desktop setup today.. not sure what the deal was.
[03:21] <xtknight> what's synergy do?
[03:21] <xtknight> vs vnc
[03:21] <dotech> crimsun, okay i ran all of that
[03:21] <crimsun> dotech: including the fakeroot .. one?
[03:21] <dotech> yep
[03:21] <dotech> the compile is going on now
[03:22] <crimsun> dotech: ok, so it will have created debs in ../ after it completes.  Install the appropriate ones.
[03:22] <Dr_willis> if you can see both computers montitors - you can use syngery to use 1 keyboard/mouse to controll them.
[03:22] <xtknight> Dr_willis, oh nice.  so like a software kvm
[03:22] <Dr_willis> vnc is for virtual 'desktop' sessions. or other remote desktps
[03:22] <Dr_willis> xtknight,  exactly
[03:22] <dotech> Dr_willis, i actually have 3 computers and 3 monitors at the moment, synergy between 2 of them, my hardy machine hasn't been configured with it yet :)
[03:23] <Dr_willis> just DONT ssh into the remote machine and start the syngery client/server :) it can cause issues...
[03:23] <dotech> crimsun, will do
[03:23] <crimsun> Sergeant_Pony: and you're saying that it reverts to oss on session logout?
[03:23] <xtknight> Dr_willis, well i had a ghetto KVM setup here once.  see, my monitor accepts multiple inputs so i'd hook PC1 up to INPUT1 and PC2 up to INPUT2. then i'd vnc into PC2 udner INPUT1, and my mouse would be controlling the second input on the monitor :P
[03:23] <Sergeant_Pony> crimsun yup
[03:23] <crimsun> Sergeant_Pony: that's some odd config fu on your local end
[03:24] <xtknight> Dr_willis, well i also swithced to INPUT2 on the monitor so mouse movement was smooth.  the problem is, if i moved my mouse outside of the vnc window, it would go nuts hahah
[03:24] <Sergeant_Pony> crimsun: all my pulse audio info I put in is gone
[03:24] <xtknight> basically my VNC overlapped INPUT2
[03:24] <crimsun> Sergeant_Pony: it should be set to auto
[03:24] <dotech> Dr_willis, i heard rdesktop can connect to single application windows on the remote MS Windows machine, have you ever done that?
[03:24] <Sergeant_Pony> I'll try it and leave the default mixer I have setup as Pulse Audio?
[03:24] <Dr_willis> xtknight,  you could of used xdmcp and have  the 2nd pc in its own X session displayed on pc 1
[03:24] <xtknight> o
[03:24] <xtknight> hmm
[03:25] <Dr_willis> dotech,  i dont mess with rdesktop or windows remote.
[03:25] <dotech> I have a laptop that is always connected to a VPN with a remote desktop session open to my work PC, curious if i can connect directly to that application over rdesktop
[03:25] <crimsun> Sergeant_Pony: for any of these settings to be debuggable, we need a default/pristine setup
[03:25] <xtknight> well i have three monitors and 2 pcs.  ought to be something i can do.  2/3 of my monitors have multiple inputs
[03:25] <dotech> i know i could always go with vnc
[03:25] <Sergeant_Pony> under audio conferencing sound capture I don't have the option of autodetect
[03:26] <dotech> xtknight, synergy is the best if each computer has its own monitors
[03:26] <xtknight> gutsy i386 pc and hardy amd64.  ya
[03:26] <xtknight> dotech, but would synergy require me to look over at the other table to control the other pc?  since that's where its monitor is
[03:27] <crimsun> Sergeant_Pony: ALSA.
[03:27] <dotech> haha yea
[03:27] <xtknight> :p
[03:27] <Sergeant_Pony> ok
[03:27] <xtknight> so xdmcp?
[03:27] <dotech> i guess that wont help you then
[03:27] <xtknight> hmm
[03:27] <Sergeant_Pony> alsa - advanced linux sound architecture?
[03:28] <xtknight> what can i do with xdmcp?  and what's the easiest way to set it up?
[03:28] <dotech> crimsun, that compile was supposed to produce some *.deb files wasn't it?
[03:29] <crimsun> dotech: in ../
[03:29] <dotech> ah, thanks
[03:29] <Sergeant_Pony> crimsun?
[03:29] <crimsun> Sergeant_Pony: yes
[03:29] <dotech> so i have to install all of these?
[03:29] <Sergeant_Pony> alsa - advanced linux sound architecture?
[03:29] <dotech> Sergeant_Pony, yes that is what alsa is
[03:30] <Sergeant_Pony> ok.. I made the changes
[03:31] <dotech> i guess it couldn't hurt, most of these i need anyway
[03:31] <Sergeant_Pony> shall I try a reboot and see if it keeps?
[03:31] <crimsun> Sergeant_Pony: a logout and login should suffice
[03:31] <Sergeant_Pony> ok.. brb
[03:31] <crimsun> dotech: you don't need all of them
[03:32] <dotech> ill just install the ones i already have
[03:32] <crimsun> right
[03:32] <crimsun> anyhow, I have a 10k tomorrow, so I'm off to bed.
[03:32] <dotech> nice, good luck
[03:32] <dotech> thanks for the help
[03:32] <xtknight> bash: xnest: command not found
[03:33] <xtknight> what happened to command-not-found cache where it told you what package to install.
[03:33] <xtknight> well it worked but not for xnest??
[03:33] <xtknight> sigh nm, it's Xnest not xnest.
[03:33] <dotech> man that compile hauled, modern processor technology is great
[03:35] <Sergeant_Pony> crimsun: nope no sound
[03:37] <Sergeant_Pony> crimsun it lost the info I had in it before
[03:39] <protonchris> Sergeant_Pony: I think he went to bed.
[03:41] <dotech> ok i now have 0.9.10 for all of the libpulse and pulseaudio packages that i had installed
[03:42] <Sergeant_Pony> damn...
[03:42] <dotech> i'll see if that fixed the configuration problems
[03:42] <Sergeant_Pony> it's like it's not saving it to the conf file or something...
[03:42] <dotech> yea
[03:42] <Sergeant_Pony> yea?
[03:42] <dotech> it has to be something like that
[03:43] <Sergeant_Pony> I'll be back in a bit, time for me to go home. I'll be back
[03:43] <barbedsaber> hi all, am running hardy, and when I open amarok it says xine was unable to initialize any audio drivers. what do I do. It worked fine in gutsy.
[03:45] <dotech> barbedsaber, check the playback devices under System->Preferences->Sound
[03:45] <barbedsaber> HDA intel alsa
[03:45] <dotech> crimsun, you may not see this until tomorrow but 0.9.10 didn't change the behavior
[03:46] <dotech> barbedsaber do you hear the tones if you click the test buttons?
[03:46] <barbedsaber> yup
[03:47] <xtknight> lovely.  my gnome-terminal crashed when kernel was compiling
[03:47] <dotech> barbedsaber, not sure, i would check the system logs to see if there's anything in there
[03:47] <xtknight> happened when i was trying to edit my current profile.  anyway what's with all the odd crashes?
[03:48] <mohamed_> dotech, i find that pulseaudio was not installed, i install it but is not working, and when i run paman i find that is not connected
[03:48] <dotech> even after logging out and back in?
[03:48] <barbedsaber> what would I be looking for in the logs
[03:48] <barbedsaber> ?
[03:48] <dotech> something with xine
[03:48] <dotech> i've never actually used those applications so i'm not too sure
[03:49] <dotech> crimsun, just in case you do happen to see this, the Volume Control is creating ~.pulse/default-sink and putting "combined" in there which is correct, for some reason pulseaudio isn't taking that setting when i log in
[03:50] <dotech> ~/.pulse/default-sink rather
[03:50] <barbedsaber> I think I have a new audio driver, because in gutsy, when I plugged in headphonbnes, sound kept coming out of laptop speakers, as well as headphones, but now the speakers are muteted and the headphones work.
[03:50] <barbedsaber> could that have somthing to do with it?
[03:50] <dotech> yes
[03:51] <dotech> in hardy pulseaudio controls alsa now
[03:51] <mohamed_> any idea about this error .. Apr  6 04:38:42 dev kernel: [  229.455992] scim-bridge[6404]: segfault at 552e5355 eip b7ebd473 esp bff8b7c0 error 4
[03:51] <protonchris> barbedsaber: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/amarok/+bug/68187
[03:51] <akk> speaking of audio problems, what's up with /usr/bin/play saying "unknown file type 'auto' on wav files?
[03:51] <dotech> barbedsaber: apt-get install pavucontrol
[03:53] <barbedsaber> am using synaptic cuz it was already open, installing now
[03:53] <barbedsaber> do I need to ctrl alt backspace for it to work
[03:54] <dotech> no, this is just a gui to control pulseaudio
[03:54] <dotech> pulseaudio should already be running
[03:54] <barbedsaber> how do I check
[03:54] <dotech> once you have it, Applications->Sound & Video->PulseAudio Device Chooser
[03:55] <dotech> in the top right you will see a new icon
[03:55] <dotech> looks like an audio cable
[03:55] <barbedsaber> i dont have it in sound and vid
[03:56] <dotech> hmm, try pavucontrol from the terminal
[03:57] <dotech> this tool shows the current streams, and devices
[03:57] <dotech> in the output devices you can right click near the middle of the device (i prefer clicking in between the orange bars) and you can set the default output device there
[03:58] <mooboo1> my firefox crash all the fucking time when i goto youtube
[03:58] <mooboo1> ARGH!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!111
[03:58] <xtknight> ya my Flash crashes a lot
[03:58] <xtknight> im subjected to nspluginwrapper because i use 64bit
[03:58] <xtknight> :p
[03:58] <mooboo1> yeah, and not only it crash flash, it crash the whole browser
[03:58] <dotech> to get output from both your headset and speakers you need to create the "Simultaneously output to all devices" device, install padevchooser
[03:59] <mooboo1> it should be like "error: flash crashed", but it shouldnt crash whole firefox
[03:59] <dotech> that is the tool that creates the icon :)
[03:59] <barbedsaber> the only option I have there is default
[03:59] <mooboo1> and this GVFS thing broke the automount of partition, they dont goto /media/Music/ now they goto /media/Music_/ then Music__ then Music___, etc
[03:59] <dotech> when you right click?
[04:00] <dotech> there should only be one option, default
[04:00] <barbedsaber> yup, in between the bars in output
[04:00] <barbedsaber> Its the only one I have
[04:00] <dotech> ok
[04:00] <barbedsaber> is that bad?
[04:00] <dotech> if it looks like the right device its ok
[04:00] <barbedsaber> but amarok still doesn't work
[04:01] <dotech> i guess that amarok bug protonchris noted could be your problem
[04:02] <barbedsaber> so, I will just have to hope that people get assigned to it, and run a sudo apt-get update every few hours to see if they came up witha fix, or workaround
[04:02] <cyclonut> would like to point out: FF3B5 & Firebug = crashybrowser
[04:02] <cyclonut> so dont use em together :)
[04:02] <dotech> there may be some workarounds in that bug report
[04:02] <DanaG> This is my impression of Flash:
[04:02] <DanaG> *segfault*
[04:02] <DanaG> *segfault*
[04:02] <barbedsaber> looking now, theres one for kde... am using gnome tho
[04:02] <DanaG> *segfault*
[04:03] <cyclonut> DanaG: I had a ton before disabling Firebug
[04:03] <cyclonut> buuuut that might just be me
[04:03] <dotech> ffx3 hasn't crashed for me yet
[04:03] <DanaG> *segfault*
[04:03] <akk> cyclonut: supposedly the beta of Firebug makes things a lot less crashy, and it's helped here on ff2
[04:03] <DanaG> It's flash -- it only happens on youtube.
[04:03] <cyclonut> also, has anyone else noticed that opera has disappeared from the repos?
[04:03] <mooboo1> ff3b5 + youtube = crash
[04:03] <dotech> im on youtube
[04:03] <DanaG> And I don't use firebug.
[04:03] <cyclonut> akk: the beta of firebug & FF3B5 kills things
[04:03] <dotech> DanaG, which flash plugin did you install and how did you install it?
[04:03] <cyclonut> DanaG: *segfault* :(
[04:04] <akk> cyclonut: oh, bummer ... guess I have yet another reason to delay upgrading ff :)
[04:04] <cyclonut> DanaG: perhaps you need to give flash some anti-seizure medication
[04:04] <barbedsaber> non of the betas have crashed for me, but version 2 whatever crashed every 8 minutes or so, but thats just me
[04:04] <dotech> youtube hasn't crashed for me yet either
[04:04] <dotech> in b4 or b5
[04:04] <cyclonut> b4 was solid as a rock
[04:04] <cyclonut> b5 is wonky
[04:04] <cyclonut> but... I want opera
[04:04] <cyclonut> and its not in the repos
[04:05] <dotech> thats why im curious if its how you installed flash DanaG
[04:05] <xtknight> opera used to be in commercial repo
[04:05] <mooboo1> opera is proprietary software and should go eat a poop
[04:05] <xtknight> ;p
[04:05] <gluer> b5 works fine.. i copied the plugins folder from b4 to b5 plugins folder works fine
[04:06] <cyclonut> gluer: directory?
[04:07] <gluer> /usr/share/firefox/plugins
[04:07] <bluefoxx> ok, im back[using irssi, xchat is broken and will not connect]
[04:07] <bluefoxx> i got wifi working!
[04:07] <Sergeant_Pony> I'm back
[04:07] <Sergeant_Pony> dotech any news?
[04:07] <barbedsaber> hey, your that guy that left before!
[04:08] <Sergeant_Pony> yup
[04:08] <dotech> Sergeant_Pony, 0.9.10 didn't fix it
[04:08] <sparky_here> I just installed 8.04 trying to use desktop effects all is working but the cube when i set it to 2x2 virtual desktops it shows 4 on the taskbar but I can only access 2 any ideas???
[04:08] <Sergeant_Pony> damn wtf...
[04:08] <bluefoxx> i was wondering however...how do i get airsnort working? its not in the repos and i dont do much[read: any] source compiling <. <
[04:08] <dotech> im looking for a workaround for now, such as manually editing a config
[04:10] <Unknown512> Hello?
[04:10] <icanhasadmin> hi?
[04:10] <Unknown512> ok just wondering if anyone was here...
[04:10] <cyclonut> echo?
[04:11] <Unknown512> Annyyywhoo, i have no sound =) and its detecting some nVidia thing as my sound card
[04:11] <Unknown512> But i have a Sound Blaster Xi-Fi card
[04:11] <bluefoxx> i think i recall nvidia has some sound chips
[04:11] <bluefoxx> on they're mobos
[04:12] <bluefoxx> does your mobo have nvidia chips on it?
[04:12] <Unknown512> Motherboard? im not sure
[04:12] <Unknown512> i get a fuzzy noise when i plug my sound jack into the default sound jack on the front
[04:12] <DanaG> WTF?
[04:12] <bluefoxx> Unknown512: does it have a nvidia chipset on it. like onboard graphics by nvidia
[04:12] <DanaG> Timidity keeps getting stuck.
[04:13] <DanaG> Oh, Creative is scum, in my opinion.
[04:13] <DanaG> http://blog.wired.com/gadgets/2008/04/daniel_k-who-fi.html
[04:13] <DanaG> http://forums.creative.com/creativelabs/board/message?board.id=Vista&thread.id=31341
[04:13] <Unknown512> I have an nvidia graphics card PCI slot 8800 GTX 768 MB
[04:13] <cyclonut> DanaG: they have repented.
[04:14] <DanaG> Oh really?  Have they un-crippled their drivers?
[04:14] <bluefoxx> bahh. i can never find any electrical tape when i need it. and i have at least 10 rolls of it too <. <
[04:14] <DanaG> Anyway, any long discussuin would be off-topic.
[04:14] <DanaG> Argh, Timidity keeps stalling!
[04:14] <ty> Trying to open qparted and getting this error "Failed to execute child process "qtparted-root" (No such file or directory)"
[04:15] <Sergeant_Pony> dotech I guess we are right back where we started from
[04:15] <bluefoxx> Unknown512: i envy your graphics card...im on a PCI nvidia 6200OC 256MB...hopefully to be upgraded to a high end 6series or midgrade 7 series <. <
[04:16] <goodhabit> Hello. What is difference between using https://help.ubuntu.com/community/HardyUpgrades#head-378718bf27e85b8e05c7a5966125eb194b5f26bb (update manager) and just changing gutsy to hardy @ sources.list?
[04:16] <Dr_willis> the update manager canhandle a few situations better i hear.
[04:16] <DanaG> Argh, why the heck does Timidity keep getting stuck?
[04:16] <DanaG> And PulseAudio dies, too.
[04:16] <dotech> Sergeant_Pony, well i can at least fix my sound after the reboot now
[04:16] <dotech> DanaG, pulseaudio dying sounds familiar
[04:17] <DanaG> I've core-dumped Timidity over 100 times over the past couple of days, but it's never offered to report a bug about timidity.
[04:17] <goodhabit> Dr_willis, so just changing mirror to hardy will be ok?
[04:17] <Dr_willis> goodhabit,  i never upgrade, i always do clean reinstalls.
[04:17] <Dr_willis> :)
[04:17] <goodhabit> I see.
[04:17] <nomasteryoda> goodhabit, you might have issues
[04:17] <Unknown512> I still hear no sound :-( does anyone know anything that could be wrong with my sound card? Sound Blaster Xi Fi
[04:17] <goodhabit> I'm just have local repo and whant to know is it ok to use it for upgrading.
[04:17] <Dr_willis> i would use the update manager tool.
[04:18] <nomasteryoda> and have to run apt-get update, upgrade several times..
[04:18] <nomasteryoda> might that is
[04:18] <protonchris> Unknown512: in a terminal, run 'lspci' and see if your motherboard has a soundcard built in.
[04:18] <Dr_willis> how local/updated is the local repo? it may be out of date if nore then a few days old.
[04:18] <nomasteryoda> like Dr_willis says... the manager is best
[04:18] <dotech> Sergeant_Pony, the file to edit is /etc/pulse/daemon.conf
[04:18] <bluefoxx> Unknown512: you may have to disable onboard sound from the BIOS
[04:18] <Dr_willis> hmm what is the latest kernel version anyway?
[04:18] <goodhabit> nomasteryoda, so updating from local repo isn't good?
[04:18] <Unknown512> protonchris, where would i see the onboard thing?
[04:19] <nomasteryoda> not recommended really...
[04:19] <DanaG> What's wrong with X-Fi?
[04:19] <DanaG> No drivers, that's what.
[04:19] <protonchris> Unknown512: in the output of lspci look for anything nvidia
[04:19] <Dr_willis> DanaG,  creative really dropped the ball on it with linux support.
[04:19] <DanaG> If it's a real x-fi, that is.
[04:19] <nomasteryoda> unless you are willing to lose data or do a new install...
[04:19] <magicfab> Using yesterday's nightly alternate ISO, I can only set partitions using XFS. Anyone seeing that ?
[04:19] <DanaG> s/linux/all products and OSes/
[04:19] <Unknown512> 00:0f.1 Audio device: nVidia Corporation MCP55 High Definition Audio (rev a2)
[04:19] <Unknown512> 00:13.0 PCI bridge: nVidia Corporation MCP55 PCI Express bridge (rev a3)
[04:19] <Unknown512> 00:16.0 PCI bridge: nVidia Corporation MCP55 PCI Express bridge (rev a3)
[04:19] <Unknown512> 00:17.0 PCI bridge: nVidia Corporation MCP55 PCI Express bridge (rev a3)
[04:19] <Unknown512> 00:18.0 PCI bridge: nVidia Corporation MCP55 PCI Express bridge (rev a3)
[04:19] <Unknown512> 01:00.0 VGA compatible controller: nVidia Corporation G80 [GeForce 8800 GTX] (rev a2)
[04:19] <Dr_willis> DanaG,  they blamed the manpower needed to get the drivers working in Vista as the reason they dident have the time/money./peole for linux drivers
[04:20] <Unknown512> 02:04.0 Audio device: Creative Labs SB X-Fi
[04:20] <bluefoxx> Unknown512: generally the onboard sound is found on the back of the computer. should be a green headphone jack, a blueone and a pink one. if your lucky and have a better mob theres more
[04:20] <Dr_willis> Creative is going downhill fast. :(
[04:20] <Unknown512> bluefoxx, the onboard is on the front, my sound card is located on the back
[04:20] <goodhabit> How do you think guys - is it possible to download hardy packages to some cache and upgrade after that without downloading full upgrade through internet?
[04:20] <Dr_willis> last i looked they had 64bit linux drivers for the X-fi card
[04:20] <Unknown512> it says i have two audio devices
[04:20] <Unknown512> but neither work
[04:20] <Dr_willis> goodhabit,  every day i seem to have 100+mb of updates.
[04:20] <protonchris> Unknown512: looks like you have builtin sound, you could try disabling it in the bios.
[04:21] <jcarey75> Unknown512: looks like its loading the HDA NVidia audio driver, I have the same on a nForce 680i motherboard
[04:21] <Unknown512> where do i disable builtin sound?
[04:21] <magicfab> goodhabit, if you insert a hardy CD on a Gutsy system it will propose to upgrade. not much difference.
[04:21] <bluefoxx> Unknown512: mayhaphs your soundcards processor is made by nvidia and creative only designed the package its in...
[04:21] <DanaG> bUT THEY didn't get Vista working, either!
[04:21] <Dr_willis> magicfab,  thats woth a hardy alternative-install cd - ONLY i think.. not the livecd
[04:21] <goodhabit> What _exactly_ difference from upgrade tool and dist-upgrade?
[04:21] <Unknown512> DanaG they did
[04:22] <protonchris> Unknown512: there is probably a setting in the bios
[04:22] <goodhabit> Somebody knows?
[04:22] <Unknown512> Wheres bios?
[04:22] <DanaG> Look at those two links I pasted.
[04:22] <DanaG> They deliberately broke things!
[04:22] <Dr_willis> u[grade tool handles some specific cases better i hear.
[04:22] <goodhabit> Like what?
[04:22] <Dr_willis> No idea. go check the forums.
[04:22] <magicfab> Dr_willis, actually I think it's the other way around... haven't tried it though.
[04:22] <Dr_willis> as i said i DONT upgrade. :)
[04:22] <protonchris> Unknown512: when your computer boots, you can enter bios by pressing something like del or F7.  It depends on the motherboard.
[04:23] <bluefoxx> anyone think 6 hard drives is enough?>'
[04:23] <goodhabit> Forums are emty about that topic. Everybody talks about it, but nobody knows exactly.
[04:23] <Unknown512> ok, ill try
[04:23] <Dr_willis> this is the answer i hear every time theres a new release and the question gets asked over and over in #ubuntu :)
[04:23] <Unknown512> brb
[04:23] <Dr_willis> if you can use the upgrade tool then use it.
[04:23] <Dr_willis> Most likely there are rough spots they found with specific packages/configs that need tweaking/changing.
[04:23] <bluefoxx> Unknown512: bios access by del, f1, f2, etc. check the model number on your mobo and look it up online[manufactorers website should have details]
[04:24] <Dr_willis> like if tghe config file format for some tool got changed radicially
[04:24] <goodhabit> Dr_willis, all configs are implemented in packages, yep?
[04:24] <bluefoxx> Unknown512: but dont touch what you dont know about. else you may screw up your system
[04:24] <madagascar> Hello ! after upgrade to 8.04, MailScanner stopped working. Now i can't reinstall and can't deinstall due to inconsistent state.
[04:24] <magicfab> Dr_willis, actually you're right, it's only with an alt CD
[04:25] <DanaG> Disabling onboard won't fix the X-Fi.
[04:25] <Dr_willis> goodhabit,  compare your hardy Xorg.conf with the one on your gutsy system. :) radical change.
[04:25] <Sergeant_Pony> dotech: I got it going again... until the next reboot
[04:25] <ccvp> can 7.10 give me full 5.1 support (sound), i have an audigy 2 in the box im putting 7.10 on.
[04:25] <magicfab> Dr_willis, as seen at https://help.ubuntu.com/community/GutsyUpgrades
[04:25] <dotech> Sergeant_Pony, yea, thats a workaround for now
[04:25] <Unknown512> Protonchris, i just realized, i used Wubi to install my Ubuntu
[04:25] <goodhabit> Dr_willis, can you show me it?
[04:25] <ccvp> anyone?
[04:25] <Dr_willis> ccvp,  i get 5.1 on my audigy2zs ccvp
[04:25] <Unknown512> so it isnt the traditional startup
[04:25] <ccvp> audigy 2 support
[04:25] <ccvp> in ubuntu??
[04:25] <ccvp> 5.1 etc.
[04:25] <madagascar> how can i re-install a package which "is in a very bad inconsistent state ?
[04:25] <bluefoxx> ok, now that im done installing the activity indicators for those individual drives, onto my problems.
[04:26] <Dr_willis> goodhabit,  thers not much to show.. its about 20 lines.. vs the 200+  that it used to be. :)
[04:26] <goodhabit> ccvp, I think 5.1 is not problem on linux. I have 5.1 too.
[04:26] <Dr_willis> ccvp,  my audigy2 card works fine for me.
[04:26] <ccvp> ok, i have p4 3.2ghz
[04:26] <Y-Town> Any reason why compiz-kde is not showing up for apt-get?
[04:26] <ccvp> 2gig ram, 7800gt
[04:26] <goodhabit> Dr_willis, you can use some pastebin.
[04:26] <Dr_willis> of coruse you need a real 5.1 'source' also. :)
[04:26] <ccvp> will second life run as optimal
[04:26] <ccvp> as it would in windows?
[04:26] <Unknown512> Protonchris, i used Wubi-installer to install my ubuntu so it isnt the traditional startup that you have
[04:26] <ccvp> i know games usually perform better in windows
[04:26] <Dr_willis> ccvp,  second life works fine for me unser linux - theres a native linux client
[04:26] <Jordan_U> Y-Town, Because you should use KDE4 instead ;)
[04:27] <protonchris> Unknown512: you enter bios before *any* os starts.
[04:27] <bluefoxx> so i can only boot from the 'generic' kernel. also i can't get the onboard lan to work and have to disable it to boot properly. and my update manager has been telling me to do a 'partial upgrade' for the past three days or so. any help?
[04:27] <Y-Town> Jordan_U: not yet  :o)
[04:27] <goodhabit> ccvp, actually second life is low-graphics stuff, so don't worry )
[04:27] <ccvp> hmmm weird, i let the 7.10 installer do its thing in my samsung digital monitor
[04:27] <Unknown512> protonchris, ok ill look
[04:27] <ccvp> connecting to dvi on my 7800gt
[04:27] <ccvp> and screen went black
[04:27] <ccvp> installer timed out it seems, sigh
[04:28] <goodhabit> Dr_willis, pastebin.com
[04:28] <goodhabit> Plese.
[04:28] <ccvp> usually it goes straight to "live desktop" via installer
[04:28] <Unknown512> ccvp, if you worried about bieng able to game, but still want ubuntu, use wubi installer so you can keep your windows (if you had one to begin with)
[04:28] <Dr_willis> goodhabit,  my xorg.conf is not a standard one.. its my old customized one.
[04:28] <ccvp> i already zero'd
[04:28] <ccvp> my hd unknown
[04:28] <Dr_willis> goodhabit,  the normal xorg.conf for hardy is basicially blank.
[04:28] <ccvp> did this, so i dont game in free time, and intead study etc
[04:28] <goodhabit> ccvp, second life has native client for linux. I have tested it on 7.10
[04:28] <Dr_willis> ccvp,   its best to have the moniotr plugged in befor ya power up with nvidia cards.
[04:29] <ccvp> it is though
[04:29]  * Jordan_U wonders how long it will be until the Xorg.conf is used *only* for explicitly forcing a non-default configuration
[04:29] <ccvp> i just got done Dban'ing the computer
[04:29] <akk> anybody know anything about fonts? Like what package might the freesans font be in? I have it on gutsy and need to find it (or something comparable) for hardy
[04:29] <ccvp> and i pop in ubuntu cd
[04:29] <goodhabit> ccvp, but why are you asking on ubuntu+1 instead ubuntu&
[04:29] <goodhabit> ?
[04:29] <ccvp> and like, it didnt goto 'live desktop in installer
[04:29] <Dr_willis> ive had some really 'weird' situations happen when the monitors are not pluged in when powering up
[04:29] <ccvp> monitor is staying black, heh
[04:29] <ccvp> its like video didnt get init'd or something
[04:29] <Dr_willis> Try the other video port if you have more then 1
[04:29] <Dr_willis> Do you see the bios boot messages?
[04:29] <ccvp> im banned form ubuntu it seems, someone on my isp
[04:30] <ccvp> got *!*@*knolo* banned
[04:30] <goodhabit> I see. So describe your problem 1 more time please.
[04:30] <Jordan_U> ccvp, Talk to #ubuntu-ops and / or use a cloak
[04:30] <ccvp> didnt freenode ban
[04:30] <ccvp> tor a few months ago?
[04:30] <crdlb> ccvp: if you wish to discuss the ban, you can try #ubuntu-ops
[04:31] <Jordan_U> ccvp, Only if you are not cloaked
[04:31] <bluefoxx> oh and the other day while reconfiguring network settings the computer utterly crashed. no killswitch. no reisub. it just crashed. the caps locks and scroll locks indicators lit up and started flashing. i had to hit the reset switch[after sitting there for 5 minutes hitting alt+sysrq+k/reisub over and over i figured it was screwed up bad.]
[04:31] <ccvp> if this happens again, (no video), can i start it in safe graphics mode?
[04:31] <ccvp> then install nvidia manually?
[04:31] <bluefoxx> what does blinking caps/scroll locks mean?
[04:31] <Unknown512> protonchris, ok i disabled the onboard stuff, but now theres no sound card detecting
[04:31] <Jordan_U> !cloak | ccvp
[04:31] <ubotu> ccvp: Many Ubuntu IRC channels prohibit access from !proxies such as !TOR due to a high level of abuse. You can however obtain a hostmask cloak: see http://freenode.net/faq.shtml#cloaks
[04:32] <akk> bluefoxx: usually it means a kernel panic  -- is the machine frozen?
[04:32] <ccvp> i should get a cloak like: ccvp@starbucks/addict/with/no/life
[04:32] <cyclonut> bluefoxx: aye, I think thats kernel panic
[04:32] <bluefoxx> akk: the machine was completely frozen. no reisub could even save it. had to hit reset switch
[04:32] <ccvp> there goes that video init'ing again, upon loading (7.10) cd, graphics on the monitor go aww dots/pixels, weird
[04:33] <Unknown512> protonchris, ok i disabled the onboard stuff, but now theres no sound card detecting
[04:33] <akk> bluefoxx: yeah, kernel panics can be like that
[04:33] <bluefoxx> havent been able to boot the normal kernel since. and all i was doing was configuring the network
[04:33] <M4rotku> is it possible to install hardy without getting all of the update packages for gusty first?
[04:33] <bluefoxx> have to use the generic kernel
[04:33] <Dr_willis> M4rotku,  i dont think thats reccomended
[04:33] <DanaG> X-Fi DOES NOT HAVE ALSA DRIVERS!
[04:33] <DanaG> Use oss instead, perhaps.
[04:33] <DanaG> oss4.
[04:34] <M4rotku> Dr_willis, the reason why i want to try is because a previous package that i updated messed up all of my hardware configs and i had to reinstall
[04:34] <Unknown512> God its like your speaking a foreign language....
[04:34] <bluefoxx> brb - have to reboot[one of my hards was unplugged and fstab didnt mount it, thus a torrent is being corrupted <. <]
[04:34] <Jordan_U> DanaG, Do their drivers make your shift key stick ? :)
[04:34] <DanaG> https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/xorg-server/+bug/194214
[04:34] <ubotu> Launchpad bug 194214 in xorg-server "Keys get "stuck" down" [High,Fix released]
[04:34] <Dr_willis> M4rotku,  thats exactly why its reccomended.. you dont want to upgrade when your system is in a confused state.
[04:34] <madagascar> Hi again - can anybody help me reinstalling mailscanner despite very bad inconsistent state ? i have tried apt-get install and dpkg -i
[04:35] <M4rotku> Dr_willis, ok, i'll try, but would it be possible to make a backup first?
[04:35] <bluefoxx> oh, what do you think of a ignition key for the power button? prevents others from turning on my machine[i like machine local security]
[04:35] <Jordan_U> Unknown512, Wei ist es wie eine andera sprache?
[04:35] <Dr_willis> M4rotku,  if you just did a reinstall of gutsy and havent anything imporntant on the machine. You may be MUCH better off doing a reinstall of the beta version
[04:35] <Unknown512> Jordan_U, i speak english
[04:35] <M4rotku> Dr_willis, i didn't want to have to take the time to download the iso of the live cd for hardy, i figured upgrading would be faster
[04:35] <Jordan_U> Unknown512, That was a joke ( though not well executed )
[04:35] <Unknown512> meh...
[04:36] <Unknown512> I just want my sound to work =/
[04:36] <M4rotku> is there any way i can make a backup of everything first?
[04:36] <Jordan_U> !home | M4rotku
[04:36] <ubotu> M4rotku: Your home folder is where all of your personal files are usually kept. For mounting your home folder on a separate partition, please see: http://psychocats.net/ubuntu/separatehome
[04:36] <ccvp> some sort of weird glitching
[04:36] <ccvp> with my 7800gt and the installer, im at the desktop in it, but the hourglass spinner is stopped, mouse responds, but background graphics are all pixelated
[04:36] <ccvp> first time it didnt even get to the desktop, weird
[04:36] <M4rotku> ubotu, thanks, i'll check it out
[04:37] <Dr_willis> M4rotku,  upgrade will download proberlyu just as much and may take longer.
[04:37] <DanaG> http://opensound.com/
[04:37] <Dr_willis> I always keep /home on its own partition/drive :)
[04:38] <Unknown512> Does anyone know how to make it so ubuntu detects my Sound Blaster X-Fi
[04:38] <Unknown512> it detects it in that lspcs thing
[04:39] <Unknown512> as an audio device
[04:39] <Unknown512> but not in sound preferences
[04:39] <DanaG> Go to opensound.com for oss4 -- it supports X-Fi.
[04:39] <DanaG> But you may have to remove PulseAudio.
[04:39] <bluefoxx> back. xchat fixed itself ^^
[04:39] <ethana2> anybody know when broadcom is going to relent?
[04:40] <Unknown512> Wheres PulseAudio?
[04:40] <bluefoxx> but now im having a $HOME/.dmrc issue>>
[04:40] <bluefoxx> nothing i cant fix
[04:41] <DanaG> I can't use oss4 myself -- it just hard-locks my system.
[04:42] <Unknown512> Is that just because you dont have the required cards? or does it do that because of a bug
[04:42] <DanaG> A bug.
[04:42] <DanaG> It doesn't get along well with the cardbus Audigy2.
[04:42] <Unknown512> Will this happen to me as well?
[04:43] <LibertyShadow> arg I can never connect to shop.lenovo.com
[04:43] <LibertyShadow> wrong channel
[04:44] <mohamed_> dotech,  pulseaudio running now :)
[04:44] <Unknown512> DanaG, which Linux version should i choose on the download page
[04:45] <DanaG> I don't remember; I haven't seen the page in a while.
[04:45] <DanaG> Look for a deb.
[04:45] <Unknown512> Linux 2.6 (x86) (DEB)?
[04:46] <madagascar> Hello ! how can i re-install mailscanner package which "is in a very bad inconsistent state" ?
[04:46] <protonchris> DanaG: I thought the X-Fi had the CA0106 chipset which is in the latest alsa?
[04:47] <Unknown512> omg did i just delete all that PulseAudio crap for no reason?
[04:49] <ccvp> weird
[04:49] <ccvp> what the heck
[04:49] <ccvp> the 3rd time i rebooted
[04:49] <ccvp> im in the 'temporary live desktop' now, no glitches
[04:49] <ccvp> any idea what could of caused it earlier? oh, n/m, i chose: safe graphics mode this time
[04:49] <ccvp> lol
[04:50] <ccvp> should i manually install nvidia while im in this(the driver)? how to handle this, so when i reboot, with full graphics driver enabled?
[04:52] <Unknown512> Oh quick question, do i have to put the install disk for my sound blaster card in again for them to work? or should it just work upon plugin
[04:54] <protonchris> Unknown512: looks like the X-fi series has multiple chipsets.  Which one do you have?
[04:54] <bluefoxx> so should i run partial upgrade??
[04:55] <Unknown512> nothing/nobody told me which type i had, id prosume XtremeGamer because i bought this PC from Dell as a Gaming PC
[04:55] <bluefoxx> so should i run partial upgrade??or normal one?
[04:55] <SeveredCross> Unknown512: Open a terminal, type lspci and pastebin the contents.
[04:56] <Unknown512> pastebin?
[04:56] <chdst> I did upgraded to the 2.6.24-15 kernel today, and on reboot my initrd's failing to mount my root volume, saying "Device or resource busy". Is this normal? :)
[04:56] <Unknown512> sorry ima linux newbie
[04:56] <chdst> I did upgraded = best english ever.
[04:57] <DistroJockey> !pastebin | Unknown512
[04:57] <ubotu> Unknown512: pastebin is a service to post multiple-lined texts so you don't flood the channel. The Ubuntu pastebin is at http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org (make sure you give us the URL for your paste - see also the channel topic)
[04:57] <protonchris> SeveredCross: he already did.  The output was  02:04.0 Audio device: Creative Labs SB X-Fi
[04:57] <akk> does anyone have ttf-freefont installed? And is X seeing it? (e.g. in xfontsel or gtkfontsel)
[04:58] <Unknown512> http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/62279/
[04:58] <Unknown512> I think Linux hates me =(
[04:58] <Unknown512> or Creative
[04:58] <Unknown512> or the whole world!
[04:58] <emma> I wish that there was one large book, or a collection of books that you could sit down and read and learn all there is to know about Ubuntu.
[04:59] <Unknown512> There is
[04:59] <Unknown512> you have to buy them tho
[04:59] <SeveredCross> Ah.
[04:59] <emma> Okay what is the book?
[04:59] <SeveredCross> Try -v -v maybe?
[04:59] <Unknown512> Google is your friend
[04:59] <SeveredCross> There's gotta be someway to get the chipset.
[04:59] <Unknown512> SeveredCross: is it both -v -v or just one -v
[05:00] <SeveredCross> Hold on 1 sec.
[05:00] <emma> I want to help people in #ubuntu (as long as that IRSeekBot is gone) but I usually don't know enough to answer them, unless I can find it for them with Google.
[05:00] <tonyyarusso> emma: try searching for ubuntu, linux, bash, apache, firefox, openoffice, debian, apache, shell scripting, unix, postfix, python, system administration, sql, and anything else ever published by O'Really, Apress, or their affiliated companies, and buy them all.
[05:00] <SeveredCross> Unknown512: Actually, do this. Open a terminal and type Alsamixer.
[05:00] <SeveredCross> *alsamixer
[05:00] <emma> I want to get to the stage where I just know and understand the solutions.
[05:00] <SeveredCross> Then, let me know what it says by Chip:
[05:01] <DistroJockey> emma: http://www.amazon.com/s/ref=nb_ss_gw/002-1593071-1524830?url=search-alias%3Daps&field-keywords=ubuntu&x=0&y=0
[05:01] <akk> and even then you'll only know about ubuntu through feisty, and everything's changed since then, mwahahaha!
[05:01] <Unknown512> alsamixer: function snd_ctl_open failed for default: No such file or directory
[05:01] <cyclonut> emma: everything is learnable through google. btw, you are a good soul, wanting to help and all
[05:01] <SeveredCross> Dammit.
[05:01] <SeveredCross> Did you remove PulseAudio>
[05:01] <SeveredCross> >=?
[05:01] <Unknown512> Yes
[05:01] <SeveredCross> Oh.
[05:01] <SeveredCross> That's the problem.
[05:01] <SeveredCross> You may or may not have just broken your sound.
[05:01] <SeveredCross> Why did you remove PA?
[05:01] <Unknown512> but that is besides the point
[05:01] <Unknown512> i had it earlier
[05:01] <YeaSt> hey, guys
[05:01] <Unknown512> then SOMEONE DanaG COUGH COUGH
[05:01] <Unknown512> Told me to remove it
[05:02] <bluefoxx> what would the reference book for linux bash commands be? i want to buy a copy but the all stores have are "<windows xp, vista, windows program> for dummies" and they want to know the title of the book in question
[05:02] <SeveredCross> Well, I don't really know any other way to get your chipset...
[05:02] <cyclonut> emma: when there is a problem, googling it helps. My way of learning is tinkering as much as possible, and installing on a bunch of systems. it exposes you to a lot of new situations
[05:02] <Unknown512> ok ill reget it
[05:02] <SeveredCross> Hold on..
[05:02] <cyclonut> bluefoxx: there are plenty of bash cheatsheet/guides
[05:02] <YeaSt> anyone using virtualbox? My keyboard doesnot work in guest machine.
[05:02] <bluefoxx> cyclonut: any i can order at a book store, say black bond books?
[05:03] <DistroJockey> bluefoxx: maybe one of these:  http://www.amazon.com/s/ref=nb_ss_gw/103-8218609-6157418?url=search-alias%3Daps&field-keywords=bash&x=0&y=0
[05:03] <bluefoxx> i need something i can reference when my net is down and i need to fix it
[05:03] <tonyyarusso> bluefoxx: barnes & noble caries one generaly shell scripting book and two bash-specific ones.
[05:03] <bluefoxx> looking for physical retail canadian stores
[05:03] <cyclonut> bluefoxx: there are, I dont use many hardcopies though
[05:03] <cyclonut> http://www.scottklarr.com/topic/115/linux-unix-cheat-sheets---the-ultimate-collection/
[05:03] <YeaSt> anyone has some experience on virtualbox?
[05:04] <tonyyarusso> bluefoxx: titles are "Classic Shell Scripting", "Learning the Bash Shell", and "The Bash Cookbook" (all from O'Reilly)
[05:04] <Unknown512> SeveredCross: im getting PulseAudio back
[05:04] <chdst> Eh. My B&N carries O'Reilly's complete line, and advertises that fact. It's got a good selection from other publishers as well. I guess it's all about where you live.
[05:04] <chdst> Bash scripting alone will net you a dozen books
[05:04] <bluefoxx> im thinking something that has the command, it's modifiers and usage. i dont need one on learning bash
[05:05] <Unknown512> SeveredCross its reinstalled now
[05:05] <SeveredCross> Okay, now try alsamixer.
[05:05] <SeveredCross> If it still doesn't work, you might need reboots.
[05:05] <SeveredCross> *a reboot.
[05:05] <SeveredCross> To get all the daemons squared away with their shit.
[05:05] <Unknown512> alsamixer: function snd_ctl_open failed for default: No such file or directory
[05:05] <SeveredCross> Er, pardon my language.
[05:05] <Unknown512> k ill restart
[05:05] <SeveredCross> Unknown512: Try a reboot, I had a problem like that and it went away after a reboot.
[05:05] <Unknown512> brb
[05:06] <bluefoxx> and while im at it im under a promise to mention a friends website he hosts from his bedroom so please click>http://damon.zapto.org/forum/index.php?
[05:06] <SeveredCross> bluefoxx: ifconfig is your fest friend.
[05:06] <bluefoxx> SeveredCross: kk
[05:06] <SeveredCross> ifconfig is a good place to lookk.
[05:06] <SeveredCross> Also, if you're using NetworkManager, tail -f /var/log/daemon.log
[05:07] <SeveredCross> NetworkManager spews all of its information there.
[05:07] <SeveredCross> For wireless, iwconfig is good too.
[05:07] <bluefoxx> should i do this partial upgrade or not. its been bugging me about it for the past few days
[05:07] <SeveredCross> sudo /etc/init.d/networking restart generally hasn't broken anything either.
[05:07] <SeveredCross> bluefoxx: Depends, what does it want to upgrade?
[05:07] <cyclonut> bluefoxx: I might recommend manpages, and --help
[05:08] <Unknown512> SeveredCross, still isnt working
[05:08] <akk> bluefoxx: Are you looking for beginner linux info, or more advanced ubuntu-specific info?
[05:08] <Unknown512> alsamixer: function snd_ctl_open failed for default: No such file or directory
[05:09] <bluefoxx> Seveas: im not sure. its been telling me "not all updates can be installed. run a partial upgrade to install as many updates as possible." ive been getting it since thusday morning
[05:10] <SeveredCross> Unknown512: Hmm.
[05:10] <Unknown512> hmm indeed
[05:10] <bluefoxx> akk: more like general info. im not programming too much, just doing the occaisional shell script to rip a webstream or encode a video, or the last one that failed was to scan for new scsi devices every 2 to three minutes[was trying to use $((RANDOM/300)) type command]
[05:11] <SeveredCross> Unknown512: Do /dev/dsp and /dev/mixer exist?
[05:11] <akk> bluefoxx: I ask because if you already know some linux, you can get handy tips from books like "ubuntu hacks" and "linux cookbook", but a beginner would want something that started more from the beginning
[05:11] <SeveredCross> Actually, mostly /dev/mixer
[05:11] <Unknown512> Where would i find these, Severed
[05:11] <SeveredCross>  /dev/dsp you shouldn't need.
[05:11] <akk> bluefoxx: like maybe "official ubuntu reference", but I haven't had a chance to look at that one closely
[05:11] <SeveredCross> Unknown512: In /dev?
[05:12] <SeveredCross> Open a terminal and try "stat /dev/mixer"
[05:12] <Unknown512> SeveredCross, i used Wubi installer to get Hardy Heron
[05:12] <Unknown512> so i could keep my windows
[05:12] <bluefoxx> akk: yea, that sounds somewhat like what i want. a reference bible
[05:12] <AlcoholicDoc> is anyone else getting the Failed to initialize HAL since the latest update?
[05:12] <SeveredCross> Unknown512: Uh, all that stuff is still there?
[05:12] <SeveredCross> Open a terminal like you did before, and stat /dev/mixer, that should be there regardless of you using Wubi or not.
[05:12] <akk> I get error messages about hal but that's because I keep hal off my systems :)
[05:13] <SeveredCross> akk: Whatcha got against HAL?
[05:13] <hansin> Should I be using 'aptitude' vs. 'apt-get'?  I am trying to get in the habit of switching to it.  I like to install Ubuntu as the Minimal CLI install from the alternative CD.  Does anyone know if the installer uses 'aptitude' or 'apt-get', or is it lower level than that (dpkg?)?  I am posting here because I am running Hardy.  Thanks.
[05:13] <bluefoxx> i can find it all online or in manpages but when im frustrated or it wont boot properly i find it better to look at a hardcopy. i would print manpages/webpages but me==no printer
[05:13] <Unknown512> stat: cannot stat `/dev/mixer': No such file or directory
[05:13] <SeveredCross> Okay..
[05:13] <akk> SeveredCross: It polls hardware all the time, wasting cpu and power and making a beeping noise on my laptop
[05:13] <AlcoholicDoc> lol, yeah HAL isn't as homicidal as he used to be.
[05:14] <SeveredCross> akk: Eh, works okay for me.
[05:14] <SeveredCross> No beepin' or nothin', and I don't see it polling that often.
[05:14] <cyclonut> bluefoxx: go to your store, and find what you like :)
[05:14] <cyclonut> bluefoxx: or.... keep a backup computer :)
[05:14] <akk> SeveredCross: how often does it poll? On earlier releases it was about 2/second
[05:15] <vlowther> Any known suspend/resume issues after upgrading to kernel 2.6.24-15?
[05:15] <akk> SeveredCross: I'd be curious if they've toned that down any
[05:15] <pen> could anyone tell me why in avant window navigator if I try to call a app to the front there is no focus effect?
[05:16] <vlowther> system seems to have developed a nasty habit of suspending once then spewing suspend debugging information into dmesg on every subsequent attempt.
[05:16] <vlowther> info @ Bug #212660
[05:16] <ubotu> Launchpad bug 212660 in linux "kernel 2.6.24-15 fails suspending" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/212660
[05:17] <bluefoxx> hehe, i have three backup computers[one resurected thinkpad, one s370 salvage built desktop in storage and one p3slot1 768ram desktop] but the lappy has no way to connect to the net and the working desktop backup has no screen <<
[05:17] <Unknown512> Some kinda backups you got there
[05:17] <Unknown512> mmhmmm
[05:18] <SeveredCross> http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=571656
[05:18] <SeveredCross> Unknown512: Read that thread.
[05:18] <bluefoxx> everything else is backuped to extra harddrives, a scsi raid5 array or cdr/dvdr
[05:19] <DistroJockey> my Firefox process is using 130% of my CPU. Anyone know of/have/or know how to fix it?
[05:20] <DistroJockey> I guess it may be flash related *shrugs*
[05:20] <bluefoxx> DistroJockey: running any flash? or large cache?
[05:20] <Unknown512> SeveredCross: ok im running the command, Thanks dude hope this works
[05:20] <DistroJockey> bluefoxx: probably
[05:21] <bluefoxx> DistroJockey: try installing a different flash player. or lower the internet cache
[05:21] <akk> Please, does anybody have a minute to try installing ttf-freefont and see if they show up in xfontsel or gtkfontsel, so I know whether I should file a bug?
[05:21] <Unknown512> SeveredCross: running a restart brb
[05:21] <akk> It should be a very small package.
[05:21] <DistroJockey> I have one FF3.5 with 16 tabs, one with 11 tabs and one with 1 tab ;)
[05:21] <DistroJockey> bluefoxx: will check that cache
[05:22] <DanaG> -15 has broken suspend for me, too.
[05:22] <Unknown512> wait nvm forgot to download oss
[05:22] <pen> DistroJockey: how is it possible to use 130%?
[05:22] <DanaG> Sorry, I was eating dinner.
[05:22] <DistroJockey> pen: exactly!!!
[05:22] <bluefoxx> pen: scalable cpu perhaphs?
[05:22] <DistroJockey> pen: tis what top says though
[05:22] <pen> DistroJockey: wow
[05:22] <DanaG> X-Fi is not ca0106.  SBLive is.
[05:23] <bluefoxx> pen: and using 30% over the origional clock value?
[05:23] <vlowther> DanaG: was dmesg full of scheduled spam?
[05:23] <DanaG> Extreme Audio is not truly an X-Fi.
[05:23] <pen> bluefoxx: maybe his FF is OCed...
[05:23] <pen> lol
[05:23] <vlowther> er, scheduler
[05:23] <DanaG> Actually, it'd suspend and resume, but break keyboard.
[05:23] <vlowther> hm.
[05:23] <DistroJockey>  7963 stuart    20   0  432m 205m  28m S  127 13.5 389:42.00 firefox
[05:24]  * DistroJockey shrugs
[05:24] <DanaG> The  only things till working:
[05:24] <DanaG> chvt, but xorg wouldn't appear.
[05:24] <DanaG> And magic-sysrq sorta' worked.
[05:24] <DistroJockey> from top
[05:24] <vlowther> mine does not break anything, it goes through all the motions and then spews scheduler info instead of sospending.
[05:24] <pen> DistroJockey: can you restart it?
[05:25] <DistroJockey> pen: sure, but, I thought I have done similar uasge of Firefox elsewhere
[05:25] <DistroJockey> usage^
[05:25] <bluefoxx> why is hibernation/suspend so finicky anyways?
[05:25] <pen> DistroJockey: is it becasue of flash?
[05:25] <vlowther> DanaG: how are you running suspend?  hotkey, g-p-m, or sudo pm-suspend?
[05:25] <bluefoxx> i havent had it working since 6.10
[05:25] <DistroJockey> pen: I will close flash related tabs, sec
[05:25] <pen> bluefoxx: I always get white screen after suspend but I still can type password in and log in
[05:26] <pen> DistroJockey: try firefox2
[05:26] <bluefoxx> pen: same here. only with hibernate too
[05:26] <pen> DistroJockey: go to menu and unter internet
[05:26] <vlowther> bluefoxx: an insidious combination of driver issues, video driver issues, and the freezer.
[05:26] <pen> bluefoxx: how did you solve the white screen for suspend?
[05:26] <akk> bluefoxx: Mostly it's finicky because of needing to reset hardware in weird ways.
[05:26] <bluefoxx> bluefoxx: i didnt -. -
[05:26] <pen> lol
[05:27]  * pen roll over and back
[05:27] <vlowther> mostly video quirk handling.
[05:27] <bluefoxx> pen: i just dont use those features. i want to disable them
[05:27] <Unknown512> SeveredCross: ok i did method 1 but it still isnt working
[05:27] <vlowther> vpe post is Teh Devil.
[05:27] <Unknown512> is there more i need to do?
[05:27] <vlowther> er, vbe
[05:27] <SeveredCross> Unknown512: Are you sure you have X-Fi?
[05:27] <DanaG> Hotkey for me.
[05:27] <pen> bluefoxx: then why you still use them?
[05:27] <vlowther> DanaG: what video hardware?
[05:27] <SeveredCross> DanaG mentioned above that CA0106 is SBLive.
[05:27] <Unknown512> Yes...
[05:28] <bluefoxx> what would be better to upgrade to from a nvidia 6200? a 256MB 7300gts or a 512MB 6600/6800?
[05:28] <Unknown512> SeveredCross, on windows i had Sound Blaster X-Fi Console
[05:28] <bluefoxx> pen: i dont
[05:28] <Unknown512> so i know i do
[05:28] <pen> bluefoxx: ok
[05:28] <SeveredCross> Unknown512: Hmm.
[05:28] <SeveredCross> I don't know then.
[05:28] <SeveredCross> Never had an X-Fi card, never planning on getting one.
[05:28] <Unknown512> Well thank you for trying
[05:28] <bluefoxx> pen: i try them out again in each new distro and if they work, i use em. they dont i ignore them
[05:28] <SeveredCross> I'll be damned if I ever buy Creative.
[05:28] <DistroJockey> lmao, while closing tabs in FF3 I saw top go to 9999% cpu usage
[05:28] <Unknown512> My PC came with it
[05:29] <pen> bluefoxx: you have to tweak a little bit especially compiz
[05:29] <pen> bluefoxx: and you have to whitelist some modules
[05:29] <bluefoxx> pen: lol. i use custom settings for compiz
[05:29] <DanaG> Oh, I have a GeForce Go 7600.
[05:29] <pen> bluefoxx: me too
[05:29] <pen> bluefoxx: I mean like the VSync
[05:29] <vlowther> DanaG: nvidia binary drivers?
[05:29] <DanaG> Yup.
[05:29] <bluefoxx> ah
[05:29] <pen> bluefoxx: have to disblae it for suspend to work
[05:30] <DanaG> When I get my next PC, I'm going to ditch my Creative sound card, in favor of perhaps a C-Media USB one .... or a Cardbus or ExpressCard one, if somebody finally makes one.
[05:30]  * bluefoxx goes off to try that
[05:30] <DanaG> And I'll give the Cardbus Audigy2 to any kernel developer who may want it.
[05:30] <vlowther> DanaG: then you should not need any of the quirks hal is trying to foist off on you.  What happens when you try sudo pm-suspend from a command line?
[05:31] <bluefoxx> im using two screens
[05:33] <pen> bluefoxx: try this http://aldeby.org/blog/?page_id=87#suspend
[05:33] <pen> bluefoxx: although it's written for HP but it might work for other models
[05:33] <pen> bluefoxx: just for the concept
[05:33] <Unknown512> How do you do all of those neat visual effects i see in youtube videos, like the box thing and such
[05:33] <pen> bluefoxx: gl
[05:33] <pen> Unknown512: compiz fusion
[05:33] <Unknown512> Where can i download it/
[05:33] <Unknown512> ?
[05:34] <pen> Unknown512: hey, do you have hardy installed?
[05:34] <Unknown512> yea
[05:34] <DistroJockey> pen: bluefoxx: pretty sure it's a flashnonfree-plugin issue
[05:34] <pen> Unknown512: you should have compiz on out of box unless you didn't install restricted video driver
[05:34] <pen> DistroJockey: hm, how do you know?
[05:34] <bluefoxx> note to self: dont wear such tight pants after eating a medium pizza and three cokes
[05:34] <Unknown512> i did, how do i do all of those effects tho?
[05:35] <DistroJockey> pen: some testing with FF2 and FF3 and a hunch :)
[05:35] <bluefoxx> better note to self: buy new pants
[05:35] <bluefoxx> XD
[05:35] <Unknown512> Linux is great but its so confusing!
[05:35] <pen> Unknown512: did you install CompizConfig-settings-manager?
[05:35] <Unknown512> im not sure let me check
[05:35] <pen> Unknown512: go to synaptics to install that
[05:36] <pen> Unknown512: brb
[05:36] <bluefoxx> pen: mobo: asrock p4vm890 with 3.27ghz celeron d, 1.5gb ram and bfg pci nvidia 6200 OC 256mb
[05:37] <jimmygoon> ff3 does not belong in LTS
[05:37] <bluefoxx> pen: page is still loading <. <
[05:37] <Unknown512> Pen: ok i installed Compizconfig-settings-manager, what now?
[05:38] <DanaG> Hmm.
[05:38] <DanaG> command-line suspend, on -14, under X: suspended, but broke on resume.
[05:38] <jcarey75> Unknown512, I know you disabled your on board NVidia audio in the bios earlier, I just want to make sure you have a separate audio card installed, the speakers are plugged into a card slot, not outputs on the motherboard right?  Also, once you get compizconfig-settings-manager installed, go to System / Preferences / Advanced Desktop Effects Settings
[05:38] <DanaG> chvt worked once, but after that, only sysrq-b to reboot worked.
[05:38] <vlowther> interesting.
[05:38] <vlowther> -15?
[05:38] <jcarey75> Unknown512, but I'd recommend not changing a whole lot of things at a time
[05:38] <DanaG> Under console (before gnome login) on -15: failed to suspend at all.  It just hung.
[05:39] <vlowther> Anything interesting in /var/log/messages?
[05:39] <DanaG> I couldn't get to it.
[05:39] <bluefoxx> anyone else ever had trouble booting they're system with it hanging at "busybox: intramsfs"?
[05:40] <bluefoxx> livecd, not system
[05:40] <jcarey75> Unknown512, there are A LOT of settings there, and the activate right after you select them, so try something (Like Wobbly Windows) and move a window around, just try things a little at a time, instead of alot at once.
[05:40] <vlowther> not even right now?
[05:40] <Unknown512> jcarey75, yes the speakers/headphones are plugged into my sound card
[05:40] <Unknown512> my standard ports are on the front, my card on the back
[05:40] <vlowther> for the -14, if the kernel was complaining it should have been logged.
[05:41] <jcarey75> Unknown512, just wanted to make sure
[05:41] <DanaG> Hmm, I couldn't trigger a sync manually, though.
[05:41] <DanaG> And the 'messages' file has multiple boot logs.
[05:41] <DanaG> I mean, covers multiple uptimes.
[05:41] <DanaG> Sessions.  Whatever.
[05:41] <vlowther> yeah, all part of hte "fun" of debugging suspend.
[05:42]  * vlowther grumbles something about a kernel debugger and a real crash dump mechanism.
[05:42] <DanaG> It worked under acpi-support.
[05:42] <Unknown512> jcarey75, how do you add more desktops?
[05:42] <Davo_Dinkum> how can i upgrade a dapper install to hardy using a hardy CD?
[05:42] <DanaG> Oh yeah, can you do debugging over Firewire?
[05:43] <vlowther> me personally?  heck no. :)
[05:43] <DanaG> I don't have another capable device right now, but in the summer, I'll be getting another computer (with firewire).
[05:44] <jcarey75> Unknown512, you installed via wubi, have you had this install long? (just thinking you might want to do a new install if it's easy now that you've disabled the onboard audio) Add desktops - General Options - Desktop Size - Horizontal Virtual Size - 2 or 3 or 4
[05:44] <Davo_Dinkum> the link in the topis is broken
[05:44] <Unknown512> jcarey75, no iv only had it for a couple of hours but iv had to reinstall twice
[05:45] <Unknown512> jcarey75, first time was, when i ran the updater it delted my firefox for some reason, second time i accidently installed kubuntu
[05:45] <Unknown512> deleted*
[05:45] <Unknown512> it said it could only do a partial upgrade, dunno why it said that tho
[05:45] <Unknown512> and when i ran it
[05:45] <Unknown512> it removed firefox completely
[05:46] <DanaG> ARgh, timidity keeps stalling and then eating CPU!
[05:47] <Unknown512> DanaG, whats Timidity?
[05:47] <DanaG> !timidity
[05:47] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about timidity - try searching on http://ubotu.ubuntu-nl.org/factoids.cgi
[05:47] <DanaG> !info timidity
[05:47] <ubotu> timidity (source: timidity): Software sound renderer (MIDI sequencer, MOD player). In component universe, is optional. Version 2.13.2-19ubuntu1 (hardy), package size 532 kB, installed size 1688 kB
[05:47] <Unknown512> well why are you using it?
[05:47] <jcarey75> Unknown512, I have the same onboard audio, and with other issues, needed a couple of installs before I had the right "flavor" gutsy 7.10 or hardy 8.04 and 32 bit or 64 bit, currently on hardy 64 bit. I use my onboard audio (don't have another card), wish I could say I know how to fix without a new install, but I don't always.
[05:48] <DanaG> Why am I using it?  I'm playing MIDI with it.
[05:48] <DanaG> I have a soundfont for it that sounds better than Creative's soundfont.
[05:48] <DanaG> And I can't use that one with sfxload, for some reason.
[05:48] <Unknown512> jcarey, think i could fix it by disabling my sound card and then using onboard audio?
[05:48] <Davo_Dinkum> no one knows?
[05:48] <DanaG> We need a factoid: !xfi  (and !x-fi)
[05:49] <DanaG> To say how it's unsupported (and evil!)
[05:49] <Unknown512> Its not evil, works well with every other OS
[05:49] <DanaG> Not Vista.
[05:49] <Unknown512> Yeah it does...
[05:49] <Unknown512> lol
[05:49] <Unknown512> ...
[05:49] <DanaG> Can you decode incoming dolby digital?
[05:49] <DanaG> Can you use soundfonts?
[05:49] <Unknown512> idk about dolby digital, cause i use headphones
[05:50] <Unknown512> im not sure what soundfonts are
[05:50] <DanaG> When I plug in my Audigy2, it brings down both my wired and wireless network connections.
[05:50] <DanaG> Oh, and it also deletes several directory junctions Vista uses.
[05:50] <Unknown512> all i know is Crystalizer works, Creative EAX works
[05:50] <Unknown512> other than that idc
[05:50] <nickrud> Davo_Dinkum it's supposed to be supported they're working at it
[05:51] <DanaG> Go read this some time.  http://forums.creative.com/creativelabs/board?board.id=Vista
[05:51] <Unknown512> Since when does a sound card delete files?
[05:51] <Unknown512> i think you have a virus
[05:51] <jcarey75> Unknown512, I'm not sure, I've had some problems with the onboard audio and would disable it in my bios if I had another card like you.
[05:52] <Unknown512> Yeah but aperently my card isnt linux supported
[05:52] <Unknown512> i guess
[05:52] <DanaG> http://forums.creative.com/creativelabs/board/message?board.id=Vista&thread.id=31494
[05:52] <Unknown512> thats 2 cards... and 2 cards YOU DONT HAVE
[05:53] <Unknown512> Your card should work fine
[05:53] <DanaG> No "All Users" on my PC either.
[05:54] <Unknown512> vista ultimate sp1
[05:54] <DanaG> And do you really support a company that deliberately cripples products, then lies about it?
[05:54] <Unknown512> Do you run Vista Ultimate?
[05:54] <DanaG> Yup.
[05:54] <Unknown512> Well dont use 64 bit vista
[05:54] <Unknown512> its vistas fault
[05:54] <DanaG> I use 32-bit.
[05:54] <Unknown512> i use 32 bit home premium
[05:54] <Unknown512> works fine
[05:54] <Unknown512> 64 bit has a lot of memory leak issues
[05:54] <DistroJockey> I think I have narrowed down the cpu usage issue with flash  to FF3b
[05:54] <Unknown512> actually it has MANY memory isues
[05:54] <DanaG> Creative is on my "avoid" list.
[05:55] <Unknown512> DanaG Vista 64 bit SHOULD have been
[05:55] <nickrud> !enter Unknown512 (please ;)
[05:55] <nickrud> !enter | Unknown512 (please ;)
[05:55] <ubotu> Unknown512 (please ;): Please try to keep your questions/responses on one line - don't use the "Enter" key as punctuation!
[05:55] <Unknown512> it has/had many memory flaws
[05:55] <Unknown512> !enter Unknown512
[05:56] <DanaG> I've gradually been adopting the attitude that closed-source things are bad -- whether sound cards or video cards.
[05:56] <Unknown512> ... you still think vista isnt to blame AT ALL?
[05:56] <DanaG> Broadcom is extra-bad:  fine, I can see why they don't open the hardware specs, but not allowing people to distribute binary firmware?  That's just stupid.
[05:58] <DanaG> Apple is also on the bad list: they deliberately break DAAP, iPod synchronization, and other such things.
[05:58] <Unknown512> whats DAAP?
[05:58] <DanaG> Not to mention, Apple killed Fingerworks (google it).
[05:58] <DanaG> !daap
[05:58] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about daap - try searching on http://ubotu.ubuntu-nl.org/factoids.cgi
[05:58] <DanaG> it's iTunes Music Sharing.
[05:58] <Unknown512> Well of course they did, copyright infringment probably occured many a time
[05:59] <Unknown512> Its napster all over again in other words
[05:59] <vlowther> DanaG: well, for now it is back to -12 for me. Working suspend/resume is a must-have feature for me.
[05:59] <DanaG> Actually, the 5-users-per-day thing makes it less of a big deal.
[05:59] <tritiumosu> Grrr ever since FF3 got uninstalled then reinstalled I'm getting an Assertion Failed error when I start Firefox3.0b5
[06:00] <DanaG> At the very least, they should let it list songs but not play them.
[06:00] <Unknown512> Meh
[06:00] <DanaG> That'd at least let me see what other people are interested in, for example.
[06:00] <Unknown512> Well, you can always use something called Limewire
[06:00] <Unknown512> and i find most of my favorite music by watching videos on YouTube
[06:00] <Unknown512> Sometimes they have some good music on there
[06:01] <Unknown512> Also, in the limewire/frostwire thing i prefer frostwire cause it gives you the features of Limewire Pro but for free
[06:02] <Unknown512> ipods probably dont work right because of so many people "jailbreaking" them
[06:02] <Davo_Dinkum> ipods or iphones?
[06:02] <Unknown512> both
[06:03] <Unknown512> and syncronization is probably messed up cause apple is trying to stop that
[06:03] <Davo_Dinkum> how are ipods being jailbroken exactly?
[06:03] <vlowther> wow, people still use gnutella-derived filesharing.
[06:03] <DanaG> Actually, they put some hash code somewhere.
[06:03] <vlowther> How early 2000s
[06:03] <Unknown512> Installing apps that arnt supposed to be on there, cough cough linux
[06:03] <DanaG> People had to crack it to use third-party apps on the PC to sync.
[06:03] <DanaG> Even on stock "iPod Classic".
[06:04] <DanaG> Even with Windows apps, in fact.
[06:04]  * DanaG reaches out and turns Unknown512's PC into a brick for trying to use Linux with the X-Fi.
[06:04] <DanaG> (it's a joke... just not a very good one.)
[06:04] <SeveredCross> Banshee works fine with older iPods.
[06:04] <Unknown512> You tried as well
[06:05] <Unknown512> =)
[06:05] <Unknown512> And if you HAVE it and DIDNT try you are a saaad sad panda
[06:05] <Unknown512> =-O
[06:05] <dotech> mohamed_, how did you fix it?
[06:06] <Unknown512> So How is everyone? :)
[06:06] <pen> Unknown512: hey, how is your compiz?
[06:06] <mohamed_> dotech, it was not working, and i have no experience with it, while reading i configure some files and run it
[06:06] <Unknown512> doing very well, i just have a quick question tho, how do i add more desktops?
[06:07]  * DanaG will never buy anything Creative again... and will tell friend not to, either.
[06:07] <mohamed_> dotech,  i use some from here also ... http://wiki.laptop.org/go/Pulseaudio
[06:07] <pen> Unknown512: in gnereal, go to desktop size
[06:07] <DistroJockey> !ccsm
[06:07] <ubotu> To enable advanced customization of desktop effects in Ubuntu 7.10 (Gutsy), install 'compizconfig-settings-manager'. A new option will appear in your appearance properties - See also !compiz - Help in #compiz-fusion
[06:07] <Unknown512> DanaG, creative has some good MP# players
[06:07] <Unknown512> MP3*
[06:07] <Davo_Dinkum> Unknown512: on gnome?
[06:07] <vlowther> only the ones that support rockbox, Unknown512.
[06:07] <Unknown512> ?
[06:07] <Davo_Dinkum> right click on workspace switcher and go to preferences
[06:08] <pen> Davo_Dinkum: he is using compiz
[06:08] <Davo_Dinkum> oh
[06:08]  * Davo_Dinkum runs
[06:08] <pen> Davo_Dinkum: leave that to compiz config manager
[06:08] <Unknown512> Pen: where is General
[06:08] <Unknown512> woops mispell
[06:08] <Unknown512> or did i?
[06:08] <mohamed_> dotech, but still i don't understand it, or how it work , when i run it using /etc/init.d/pulseaudio start this have no effect, and i have to start daemon manuaal
[06:08] <pen> Unknown512: did you install the package I told you earlier?
[06:08] <Unknown512> yeah
[06:08] <Unknown512> oh
[06:08] <Unknown512> i know now
[06:08] <Unknown512> thanks
[06:09] <Unknown512> lol
[06:09] <pen> lol
[06:09] <mohamed_> dotech, i don't know if this will fix with restart or i need to fix  anything
[06:09] <DistroJockey> Unknown512: System - Preferences - Advanced Desktop Effects
[06:09] <nickrud> the switcher works with compiz now as well
[06:09] <DanaG> If you boycott a company, you boycott ALL products of that company.
[06:09] <DanaG> Oddly enough, I'm going to switch from NVIDIA to ATI next time.
[06:09] <protonchris> DanaG: thanks for the info.  I was looking at the x-fi extreme audio
[06:10] <Dr_willis> matrox! :)
[06:10] <DanaG> It's the reverse of the "give up freedom for [security and stability]" issue.
[06:10] <DistroJockey> pftt!
[06:10] <nickrud> can't wait to install that new x-fi card
[06:10] <Dr_willis> avoide the x-fi for linux. :)
[06:10] <DanaG> Avoid Creative, period.  The company is scum, in my opinion.
[06:10] <Dr_willis> They are in financial problems.. a year from now - there may not be a creative.
[06:10] <Unknown512> Once again, Creative has good MP3 players =O
[06:10] <Unknown512> cheap ones too
[06:11] <DanaG> SCUM == don't buy ANYTHING from them.
[06:11] <protonchris> Unknown512: at this point, you might be better off going with your onboard nvidia sound card.
[06:11] <Unknown512> ipods are a good $400
[06:11]  * DanaG has a Cowon iAudio6 and greatly likes it.
[06:11] <DanaG> Oh, about ATI:
[06:11] <Unknown512> ok proton, is there a way to disable my creative card so theres no interference?
[06:11] <mohamed_> dotech,  i also modify this line in /etc/pulse/default.pa load-module module-esound-protocol-unix socket=/tmp/.esd/socket
[06:11] <Unknown512> And also, its really fuzzy when i use that sound
[06:11] <DanaG> I'd rather have crappy-but-gradually-improving, open video drivers, than not-as-crappy, but god-only-knows-when-they'll-fix-the-bugs closed drivers.
[06:12] <akk> DanaG: I've been using ATIs for years so I don't have to hassle with binary nvidia drivers
[06:12] <akk> (but if I were a gamer I probably wouldn't have been happy with them)
[06:12] <Jordan_U> akk, Intel?
[06:12] <Unknown512> DanaG: Yeah Ati are like the god of all video cards for linux
[06:13] <akk> Jordan_U: unfortunately not available for systems with AMD CPU. Next time i need to buy a new cpu and mobo, though, that's what I want.
[06:13] <DanaG> I've had issues in Vista with nvidia, too.
[06:13] <akk> (I got the AMDs hoping they'd be cooler and quieter -- ha, that didn't work out so well either)
[06:14] <DanaG> Laptop I'm considering: HP 8510p.
[06:14]  * Jordan_U hopes that intel will some day start making decent dedicated GPU's with open specs
[06:14] <Unknown512> DanaG you just have a complaint about EVERYTHING dont you, theres ALWAYS going to be errors
[06:14] <Unknown512> Theres no state of perfection
[06:14] <Unknown512> unless NOTHING ever changes
[06:14] <Unknown512> for like 10 years
[06:14] <Dr_willis> I want my Voodoo 3dfx back!
[06:14] <Dr_willis> :P
[06:14] <akk> Jordan_U: keith packard claims that they do a lot of optimizations due to being integrated with the mobo (but he didn't go into detail there)
[06:14] <chdst> Unknown512: That's pretty much how it feels running ATI in Linux.
[06:14]  * DanaG has a Voodoo3 2000 PCI lying around here.
[06:15] <chdst> the bug fixes come, month after month, but it's still a big pile of broken.
[06:15] <DanaG> At least ATI lets you control power saving ssettings in Linux.
[06:15] <protonchris> Unknown512: You could probably leave the x-fi alone since linux doesn't know what to do with it and will probably ignore it.
[06:15] <DanaG> And now you can do accelerated framebuffer AND accelerated X, I believe.
[06:15] <Unknown512> proton: ok thanks ill give it a shot
[06:16] <Unknown512> brb
[06:16] <Dr_willis> I thought there were 64bit x-fi drivers for linux. but I have no idea how good they are.
[06:16] <DanaG> oss4 supports X-Fi.
[06:17] <protonchris> DanaG: well if you want to walk him through an audio system upgrade, go for it
[06:18] <Jordan_U> DanaG, How is oss4, anything noticeably better than ALSA ( aside from the fact that it actually has drivers for your card :) ?
[06:18] <DanaG> I can't use it.
[06:18] <DanaG> I have a Cardbus Audigy2, not an X-Fi.
[06:18] <DanaG> OSS4 just hard-locks with it.
[06:18] <DanaG> Though it can do some cool things with hda codecs: mic-in as output, for example.
[06:18] <DanaG> Oh, and PulseAudio doesn't work with it, at least the last time I tried.
[06:23] <Unknown512> protonchris: alright im installing ALL packages with Gstreamer in the name cause i got some error saying the plugins were missing
[06:26] <Dr_willis> Shotgun answer to installing stuff! :)
[06:26] <Dr_willis> thats how i do it also
[06:27] <RAOF> Jordan_U: I think you'll be waiting about a year for that Intel GPU; Larribee was slated for 2009, IIRC.
[06:27] <Unknown512> i got an error, No Gstreamer Plugins/devices were detected when trying to change volume settings
[06:27] <Unknown512> any ideas?
[06:27] <Unknown512> Linux isnt detecting my onboard sound device
[06:28] <protonchris> Unknown512: really?  Are you sure you enabled it in your bios?
[06:28] <Jordan_U> Unknown512, Do you get any output from "asoundconf list" >
[06:28] <Jordan_U> ?
[06:29] <Unknown512> Jordan_U, WHAT?
[06:29] <Unknown512> protonchris. Yes
[06:30] <Unknown512> if i could work out these kinks im sure linux would seem great to me
[06:30] <protonchris> Unknown512: type that command in a terminal
[06:30] <Unknown512> right now its not exactly doing that for me
[06:30] <Jordan_U> Unknown512, Run the command "asoundconf list" and tell me if it list any cards
[06:31] <DanaG> Hardy is my primary OS.
[06:31] <Unknown512> jordon_u, no message comes up
[06:31] <Unknown512> just goes to another command line
[06:31] <Jordan_U> Unknown512, Maybe you shouldn't be using a Beta OS :)
[06:31] <Unknown512> well it was detecting earlier
[06:31] <Unknown512> lol
[06:32] <Unknown512> and Wubi installs hardy ONLY
[06:32] <protonchris> Unknown512: is it listed when you run 'lspci'
[06:32] <Jordan_U> Unknown512, No it doesn't, it installs Gutsy just fine
[06:32] <DanaG> Did you disable it in BIOS?
[06:32] <Unknown512> Jordan_U thats because you have an earlier version ;)
[06:32] <CoasterMaster> Does Hardy have ccsm installed by default?
[06:32] <DanaG> I seem to remember somebody telling somebody to disable.
[06:33] <RAOF> CoasterMaster: No.
[06:33] <Unknown512> Im going to go check bios again
[06:33] <Unknown512> brb
[06:33] <Dr_willis> CoasterMaster,  no it does not. I also think theres some variants to ccsm in the repos.
[06:33] <Jordan_U> Unknown512, I actually don't use it but it's hard to believe that they discontinued support for Gutsy before Hardy is released
[06:34] <Jordan_U> Speaking of which, where did the custom option in visual effects preferences go?
[06:35] <RAOF> Jordan_U: It's waiting for you to install the "simple-ccsm" package.
[06:35] <Dr_willis> Guessit got decided it was too complex :)
[06:35] <chdst> CoasterMaster: Install the compizconfig-settings-manage package
[06:36] <chdst> *compizconfig-settings-manager
[06:36] <Unknown512> still isnt working
[06:36] <Unknown512> The volume control did not find any elements and/or devices to control. This means either that you don't have the right GStreamer plugins installed, or that you don't have a sound card configured.
[06:36] <Unknown512> You can remove the volume control from the panel by right-clicking the speaker icon on the panel and selecting "Remove From Panel" from the menu
[06:37] <protonchris> Unknown512: is the nvidia sound card listed when you run the 'lspci' command in a terminal window?
[06:38] <CoasterMaster> chdst, I just did but I don't get a "custom" effects option under visual effects
[06:38] <Unknown512> Protonchris: nope
[06:38] <Unknown512> OOH AIT
[06:38] <Unknown512> WAIT
[06:38] <Unknown512> yes
[06:39] <Unknown512> 00:0f.1 Audio device: nVidia Corporation MCP55 High Definition Audio (rev a2)
[06:39] <Jordan_U> Unknown512, What happens when you run "alsamixer" ?
[06:39] <Unknown512> http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/62283/
[06:40] <AngryBacon> What version of the nvidia driver does hardy come with?
[06:40] <chdst> CoasterMaster: RAOF suggested the simple-ccsm package for that, which does depends on compizconfig-settings-manager package.
[06:40] <protonchris> Unknown512: I would guess that something necessary got removed when you removed pulseaudio.
[06:40] <CoasterMaster> chdst, got it thanks
[06:41] <Unknown512> hmmm
[06:41] <RAOF> AngryBacon: The latest one.
[06:41] <Unknown512> would the neccesary file have the ubuntu symbol next to it?
[06:41] <Unknown512> cause i could just look thru it all
[06:41] <LOB|LoBo> anyone getting slow network speeds with hardy heron?
[06:42] <Unknown512> no
[06:42] <LOB|LoBo> hmm, thats what I'm getting, they are slow and choppy
[06:43] <Unknown512> install the restricted drivers
[06:43] <Unknown512> for your video card?
[06:43] <Unknown512> you using nvidia?
[06:43] <protonchris> Unknown512: do you have these installed gstreamer0.10-alsa, gstreamer0.10-plugins-base-apps, gstreamer0.10-pulseaudio ?
[06:43] <AngryBacon> can i just do dist-upgrade to swich to hardy?
[06:43] <LOB|LoBo> no i'm not using nvidia
[06:43] <LOB|LoBo> its a gigabit card with oss drivers
[06:44] <LOB|LoBo> wireless
[06:44] <DanaG> Wireless?  Gigabit?  Huh?
[06:44] <DanaG> I have a gigabit wired card, but N isn't quite gigabit.
[06:44] <MTecknology> When I plug in my headset w/ the USB extension I head the login sound and the nothing, if I plug it into the port, I hear nothing altogether... any ideas how to get it working?
[06:44] <LOB|LoBo> gigabyte
[06:44] <LOB|LoBo> sorry
[06:44] <Unknown512> proton:yes
[06:44] <LOB|LoBo> the manufacturer
[06:44] <DanaG> aah.
[06:45] <protonchris> Unknown512: Hmm.  Then I don't know.
[06:45] <Unknown512> ya....
[06:45] <Unknown512> its sighalicious
[06:45] <Unknown512> i think im just gonna have to go without sound
[06:46] <Unknown512> but i wanna be able to watch youtube videos W/ sound which makes me sad :'(
[06:47] <protonchris> Unknown512: well, the nvidia did work before.  Since I don't know what you did before when you removed pulseaudio, it might just be easier for you to reinstall.
[06:47] <LOB|LoBo> uname -a
[06:48] <Unknown512> sigh
[06:48] <Unknown512> ill reinstall it tomarrow
[06:48] <Unknown512> its already 2 AM
[06:48] <Unknown512> and iv reinstalled 2 times now
[06:48] <Unknown512> lol
[06:49] <protonchris> Unknown512: ok.  After you reinstall, check your levels in alsamixer.  Set any of the levels that are at 100% to something like 70%.  I am not sure if this will fix your 'fuzziness', but that is a solution to an old linux problem and is probably worth trying.
[06:49] <Unknown512> So what are some good apps to have with Ubuntu that you guys can recommend
[06:50] <DanaG> I set stuff to 0db; positive is one thing that makes for distortion.
[06:51] <Unknown512> no apps no apps at all?
[06:52] <akk> emacs, make, gcc :)
[06:52] <benh_> hrm... current daily snapshot of hardy ps3 live doesn't boot
[06:53] <protonchris> Unknown512: I am going to bed.  Good night and good luck.
[06:54] <Unknown512> Good night
[06:54] <Unknown512> im having problems with my mouse now
[06:54] <Unknown512> =(
[06:54] <Unknown512> lol
[06:54] <Unknown512> just problem after problem
[06:55] <Unknown512> nvm fixed
[06:55] <Unknown512> =D
[06:55] <Immersion> Hello. Can someone please tell me what sudo rm -rf /* does? I'm not familiar with the command.
[06:56] <Dr_willis> Immersion,  deletes EVERYTHING basicially
[06:56] <Immersion> Dr_Willis, Ohhh really?
[06:56] <benh_> bah
[06:56] <Unknown512> Who the hell would make a command like that
[06:56] <elkbuntu> Immersion, why do you ask? did someone tell you to do it?
[06:56] <benh_> the kernel is busted
[06:56] <Unknown512> excuse my language
[06:56] <Dr_willis> bash/shell basics. Yes it does.
[06:56] <Immersion> elkbuntu, Yes.
[06:56] <elkbuntu> Immersion, in one of the ubuntu channels?
[06:56] <Unknown512> Who would make such a command
[06:56] <Immersion> No.
[06:56] <Unknown512> its stupid
[06:57] <Dr_willis> Unknown512,  its not  that some one made it..
[06:57] <Unknown512> its just a programming error?
[06:57] <Dr_willis> its how the pattern maching works
[06:57] <Unknown512> oh
[06:57] <Unknown512> ok im sowwy =(
[06:57] <Unknown512> lol
[06:57] <Dr_willis> Bash/Shell basics.. :)
[06:57] <Unknown512> Big change there Daisuke
[06:57] <elkbuntu> Unknown512, lots of things can be dangerous if used incorrectly
[06:57] <Dr_willis> and thers dozens of other commands that can trash your system also.
[06:57] <Immersion> Haha so theres actually a command to run to screw up someones computer through terminal?
[06:57] <Immersion> That requires 1 line?
[06:58] <elkbuntu> Immersion, there's several
[06:58] <Dr_willis> Immersion,  if you have root access.. thats all it takes.
[06:58] <Unknown512> Thats scary
[06:58] <Immersion> Does any ask for password?
[06:58] <Dr_willis> sudo - normally asks for a password
[06:58] <Immersion> If they've already authenticated?
[06:58] <Unknown512> so dont follow any random sudo commands given on IRC =O
[06:58] <Unknown512> go on forums
[06:58] <Immersion> Haha
[06:58] <Dr_willis> You can do similer things under windows. and osx also i imagine
[06:58] <Immersion> Yes you can do it on OS X
[06:59] <elkbuntu> Immersion, yes
[06:59] <Immersion> I'm trying to find a way to mask or change my IP address.
[07:00] <Unknown512> Pidgin does automatically
[07:00] <Dr_willis> You can ask for a host mask for the irc server if you are really paranoid
[07:00] <Unknown512> using gnome proxy
[07:00] <chdst> I'm struggling to resist the temptation of listing my favorite ways to break a box...there are so many, and some might be considered artful in execution. :)
[07:00] <Unknown512> Doesnt pidgin use Gnome Proxy to begin with?
[07:01] <Immersion> I'm talking about my Mac system. :-P
[07:01] <Immersion> I know, I'm in the wrong place.
[07:01] <Unknown512> oh
[07:01] <Immersion> How do I ask for a host mask?
[07:01] <Unknown512> use Tor if its compatible
[07:01] <Immersion> Tor is compatible
[07:01] <Unknown512> then use it...
[07:01] <Unknown512> lol
[07:01] <Immersion> I shall look into it. :)
[07:02] <Unknown512> you should not EVER use your real IP in an IRC
[07:02] <Unknown512> thats like a HACK ME moment
[07:02] <Unknown512> unless your in a private one with just friends
[07:02] <Unknown512> even then tho someone can hack into it
[07:02] <Unknown512> take someones name and make you think their them
[07:02] <Immersion> How do you run a host mask on IRC?
[07:03] <Dr_willis> gee.. never noticed much of a seucity risk by being on irc...
[07:03] <Dr_willis> !mask
[07:03] <ubotu> Many Ubuntu IRC channels prohibit access from !proxies such as !TOR due to a high level of abuse. You can however obtain a hostmask cloak: see http://freenode.net/faq.shtml#cloaks
[07:03] <Dr_willis> I imagine i get more random scans on my ip# then i do get attacks from people in irc channels.
[07:04] <Immersion> Well I want someone to mask my IP, but I know TOR gets alot of slack.
[07:05] <Dr_willis> see the 'hostmask cloak' at the url listed above
[07:05] <Immersion> Looking :)
[07:05] <Immersion> I mean for everything, though.
[07:05] <Unknown512> !tor
[07:05] <Dr_willis> go to one of thise proxy sites i guess.
[07:05] <ubotu> TOR is a project aiming to provide anonymous connections via specialized !proxies - See https://help.ubuntu.com/community/TOR for information and help - Note that TOR is blocked on most Ubuntu IRC channels, please see !hostmask and !tor-gpg
[07:06] <Dr_willis> !tor-gpg
[07:06] <ubotu> You can use tor and still access #ubuntu and other channels that have tor blocked.  How? Read http://freenode.net/irc_servers.shtml#tor to find out how to bypass all the tor hassles on freenode.
[07:06] <Dr_willis> There ya go - check that last bit :)
[07:07] <Immersion> Ok.
[07:07] <Unknown512> Well its late, im tired, so im gonna go to bed
[07:08] <Unknown512> Have fun Linuxing guys!
[07:08] <Unknown512> lol
[07:08] <Unknown512> cya
[07:09] <Immersion> So, I need to find a network staffer?
[07:09] <Dr_willis> No idea. Im not that paranoid.. so i dont worry about masks. :)
[07:10] <Dr_willis> if you like Tor. that other method may be a good way to try
[07:10] <Immersion> Tor is blocked by alot of things
[07:11] <Dr_willis> Yes it is...
[07:21] <EdLin> I'm having serious problems getting Hardy Heron to work with nvidia drivers on my monitor, it refuses to use anything but too-low resolutions on it (like 640x480!).
[07:21] <EdLin> it's a 1680x1050 LCD
[07:23] <EdLin> I also can't get it to upgrade to the latest packages, but that's par for the course for an unstable beta.
[07:23] <Jordan_U> EdLin, How did you install the nvidia drivers?
[07:23] <EdLin> with the hardware manager.
[07:23] <Jordan_U> EdLin, What packages are being held back?
[07:24] <EdLin> I'm not sure.
[07:24] <Jordan_U> EdLin, What do you mean when you say that you can't get it to upgrade to the latest packages?
[07:24] <EdLin> it says it wants to do only a partial upgrade, I say yes, then it fails.
[07:25] <Jordan_U> EdLin, Try updating
[07:25] <EdLin> um, yes, that's what I did. I think. :-)
[07:26] <Jordan_U> EdLin, "sudo apt-get update" then try the upgrade again
[07:26] <EdLin> Let me boot into Ubuntu. It's kind of painful to use at 640x480, but it'll be easier to debug there.
[07:26] <EdLin> before I do that, is there any advice on fixing the monitor problem? I'm not a Unix novice, if you know some xorg.conf magic that will work I'll apply it.
[07:28]  * EdLin hears crickets chirping
[07:29] <tanner> my cpu cores are at 200F :(
[07:29] <chdst> Fry some eggs!
[07:29] <EdLin> tanner, I'll trade your 200F CPU cores for my nice cold Pentium 4 1.7GHz cores.
[07:30] <tanner> i dont think they'll fit in my Thinkpad ;)
[07:30] <EdLin> well, actually, core in the singular. :-)
[07:31] <SeveredCross> tanner: WTF have you been doing to your computer?
[07:31] <SeveredCross> I run mine ragged and the cores never get above 35-40C.
[07:31] <tanner> h264 encoding
[07:31] <EdLin> hey, 1.7GHz P4s were top of the line 6 years ago! Now of course, a 1.5GHz CPU runs rings around it.
[07:32] <tanner> however, the reason they are 200F now is because i left my computer on a blanket for a few minutes
[07:32] <SeveredCross> Well ventilate the sucker better.
[07:32] <SeveredCross> Get Gkrellm up and spin the fans, etc.
[07:32] <tanner> pretty sure adding more ventilation to my laptop will void the warranty ;)
[07:32] <EdLin> brb, hate to stop listening to my new stones album, but I want to fix this Ubuntu problem before the new release comes out with the same serious bug.
[07:33] <Dr_willis> They have little fan 'pads' you can sit your laptop on.
[07:34] <tanner> those usually work best when used with say.. a desk or other hard surface to place your computer on
[07:34] <DanaG> use CELSIUS -- it makes more sense.
[07:34] <calc> DanaG: use units :)
[07:34] <calc> F works good for americans ;-)
[07:34] <tanner> how does it make more sense?
[07:35] <DanaG> My laptop idles at 39-40C; load is up to 67, tops.
[07:35] <calc> 200F ~= 93C
[07:35] <DanaG> It's easier to think 0 to 100 (85 is too hot)
[07:35] <DanaG> than 32 to 212 --- where's "too hot" there?
[07:35] <calc> aiui the newer intel chips don't actually report real temperature so i don't know if linux reports their temp right
[07:35] <bicyclist> DanaG i got two differnet readings, on an samung r55 it idles at 60 up to 75 Celsius
[07:35] <tanner> its all relative
[07:35] <calc> aiui they report temperature offset from t junction max
[07:35] <DanaG> Using "coretemp" module?
[07:35] <bicyclist> on sonay it idles at 46 up to 60 Celsius
[07:36]  * calc read about this a few weeks ago
[07:36] <calc> and t junction temperature isn't disclosed by intel and varies by exact chip type
[07:42] <AR`Neatchee> Ok this might sound ridiculous...but my audio is playing...too fast.  In everything except the GDM ready sound.  Flash, login, Totem, you name it.  Everything.
[07:42] <cr0mulent> is anyone having a problem with windows resizing?
[07:43] <joncruz> I have a strange tablet problem. I tried hardy from the live cd and it worked fine. So then I installed from that CD and the tablet didn't work (except for mouse buttons)
[07:43] <joncruz> anyone know of wacom on hardy issues?
[07:43] <EdLin> OK, the apt-get update fixed the upgrading problem, now I've got 1hr's worth of upgrades.
[07:43] <EdLin> does anyone have a solution for my monitor problem?
[07:43] <Zvezdichko> hello, is these morning updates finally FIX this nasty mesa problem?
[07:45] <joncruz> on the good news part of things, it appears that all the base features on this macbook work well, including wireless and the backlight keyboard
[07:45] <EdLin> using the nv drivers seem to fix it, but in the recent past (dunno about this version of nv drivers) it would have mysterious lock-ups, especially when I used firefox for some bizarre reason.
[07:46] <EdLin> I also, for speed reasons, would like to use the "nvidia" driver.
[07:51] <macogw> hey the internet says that to setup my new print server to work with CUPS ill have to use the web interface.  does the new printer config GUI from Fedora (that's in Hardy) mean not needing the web UI since it has a "show printers shared by other systems" checkbox?
[07:52] <macogw> and well...right now HP scanners dont work in Hardy.  will having a print server mean that when this is fixed i *still* won't be able to scan?
[07:53]  * tanner misses adblock plus
[07:54] <Dr_willis> whats to miss? Im using it.. :)
[07:55] <rsc_> hey guys. I had a dual boot gutsy + XP setup, and now that I installed Hrady beta (clean install),Win XP is no longer on my GRUB menu (but the partition is there intact!) what should I do?
[07:55] <tanner> doesnt work with firefox 3 beta4
[07:56] <Dr_willis> Well... lets just say it 'says' it dosent work. :)
[07:56] <Dr_willis> im using it with FF3 beta 5 right now
[07:56] <tanner> hmm
[07:56] <Dr_willis> theres a 'nightly tester tools' extension that aparently can force the other extensions to load..
[07:56] <Dr_willis> but that may cause crashes. :)
[07:56] <EdLin> OK, like I said, I'm in Hardy now. Does anyone have advice on fixing my monitor problems? I really would like to be able to use the compiz goodness at a resolution besides 640x480.
[07:56] <cge> Dr_willis: Use ntt. It generally works quite well.
[07:57] <Dr_willis> cge,  ive not had anyissues.. but then again.. im a leet-cutting edge kind of guy! :)
[07:57] <tanner> Dr_willis: if that is the case, why are you using Ubuntu? ;)
[07:57] <Zvezdichko> :) lol, Dr_willis
[07:58] <Dr_willis> tanner,  because gentoo got old. :P
[07:58] <cge> tanner: I'm actually rather the same way. Continually following +1 gives the cutting edge and excitement.
[07:58] <Zvezdichko> Dr_willis: emerge that :)
[07:58] <tanner> compiling everything was rather annoying
[07:58] <Dr_willis> i gave up on gentoo one day when they had varioud 'howto-docs' flagged as being unstable.. :)
[07:59] <tanner> still, ubuntu, even +1 isnt the most cutting edge
[07:59] <Zvezdichko> debian-unstable?
[07:59] <Dr_willis> debian-crashes-befor-it-boots?
[07:59] <cge> Does anyone here know how to turn off the automatic offline detection in firefox?
[08:00] <EdLin> Zvezdichko: debian unstable is *not* cutting-edge, except compared to stable.
[08:00] <Dr_willis> cge,  ive never noticed that feature at all.
[08:00] <cge> Dr_willis: I presume, then, that NetworkManager is working for you?
[08:00] <Zvezdichko> in my point of view ubuntu+1 is cutting edge
[08:00] <tanner> cge, i dont believe there is such a feature, and if there is, most likely must be configured using the advanced configuration in firefox
[08:00] <Dr_willis> cge,  i have had no networking issues at all here.
[08:01]  * EdLin waits patiently for an answer to his question
[08:01] <cge> tanner: There *does* appear to be such a feature, linked to NetworkManager/dbus. When nm isn't running, ff starts out in offline mode.
[08:01] <cge> EdLin: I came in too late to see the details, I'm afraid.
[08:02] <tanner> cge: as i said, if such a feature is configureable, its likely in advanced configuration
[08:02] <tanner> EdLin: what graphics card
[08:02] <EdLin> nvidia FX 5200
[08:02] <cge> tanner: Yes, that's where I've been looking, unfortunately. I suppose it might be in a script somewhere, though.
[08:03] <EdLin> cge: 1680x1050 monitor that hardy thinks needs to be 640x480
[08:03] <tanner> ugh, anyone know why the hell desktop workspaces switch order
[08:03] <cge> tanner: switch order?
[08:03] <tanner> cge: about:config
[08:03] <tanner> ^^ have fun :P
[08:03] <tanner> yes, workspace one is now at workspace 7
[08:04] <tanner> 2 to 1, 3 to 2, etc etc
[08:04] <cge> 7 workspaces?
[08:04]  * EdLin 3> about:config
[08:04] <tanner> yes
[08:04] <cge> tanner: With or without compiz?
[08:04] <tanner> with
[08:04] <EdLin> er, <3
[08:04] <cge> EdLin: Yes, it's very useful.
[08:05] <Smegzor> I'm about to install an Ubuntu server for a friend.  Should I install 8.04?  I'm running 8.04 on my desktop with only minor problems.
[08:05] <tanner> cge: you may get a better answer in #firefox
[08:05] <AR`Neatchee> I seriously feel like I'm hallucinating...
[08:05] <AR`Neatchee> Ok this might sound ridiculous...but my audio is playing...too fast.  In everything except the GDM ready sound.  Flash, login, Totem, you name it.  Everything.
[08:05] <cge> tanner: good point
[08:05] <cge> Smegzor: That really depends on the friend :)
[08:06]  * tanner could never understand why people would use Ubuntu for a server operating system
[08:06] <EdLin> AR`Neatchee: not rediculous at all, what sound card do you have?
[08:06] <Dr_willis> AR`Neatchee, on my laptop at one time - my normal 'clock' was running at about 4x normal speed.. 4 secs ticked off every sec. :)
[08:06] <cge> tanner: I've actually had a rather good experience with ubuntu-server.
[08:06] <EdLin> tanner: support - LTS has one of the longest support cycles
[08:07] <cge> Of course, that was after running debian unstable for 7 years without reinstalling, so...
[08:07] <AR`Neatchee> EdLin: SiS SI7012
[08:07]  * tanner will stick to FreeBSD for all enterprise level installments and debian for anything less
[08:08] <cge> tanner: debian stable?
[08:08] <Zvezdichko> IMO the best OS for a server is Slackware
[08:08] <Zvezdichko> :)
[08:08] <AR`Neatchee> Dr_willis, the clock is definitely right.  I could see the whole system running at 4x somehow i guess
[08:08] <tanner> yes, debian stable
[08:08] <AR`Neatchee> but not just the sound -_-
[08:08] <Dr_willis> PuppyLinux :)
[08:08] <Dr_willis> minux !
[08:08] <Dr_willis> oops Minix
[08:08] <cge> AR`Neatchee: It could be something with pulseaudio's options.
[08:08] <EdLin> cge: you made it through the PAM breakage without reinstalling? Pretty good.
[08:09] <EdLin> cge: or maybe that was more than 7 years ago...
[08:09] <Smegzor> Is anyone here running an 8.04 server? Any problems with it?
[08:10] <AR`Neatchee> cge:  I had a pulse audio problem recently as well that somehow resolved itself in the process of trying to find out where in my home directory the problem was being generated (turned out it was in .gconf (lotta help that is) but it was working fine till earlier today)
[08:10] <cge> AR`Neatchee: Have you tried bypassing pulseaudio for playing something?
[08:11] <AR`Neatchee> hah wow
[08:11] <AR`Neatchee> hadn't even thought about it, but in sound options...
[08:11] <AR`Neatchee> pulseaudio test button plays a higher pitch than ALSA XD
[08:11] <AR`Neatchee> that's hilarious
[08:11] <AR`Neatchee> ah but OSS plays the higher pitch too
[08:12] <cge> AR`Neatchee: OSS is probably emulated there - pushing through /dev/dsp must result in the higher. Is dsp now controlled by pulseaudio rather than alsa?
[08:15]  * EdLin wonders if anyone has a clue regarding my problem, compiz sucks at 640x480. ;-)
[08:15] <dubby> hey anyone when turning on composite extentions my computer runs terrible
[08:15] <dubby> EdLin whats it say
[08:15] <cge> EdLin: I just don't run compiz :)
[08:15] <dubby> some people can't live without compiz
[08:15] <tanner> EdLin: in terminal what is the output of this command: "glxinfo | grep direct"
[08:16] <cge> dubby: What driver/card/etc do you have/are you using?
[08:16] <EdLin> actually, I didn't even try running compiz at that resolution, I ran the nvidia driver and it remained stuck in it.
[08:16] <bullgard4> Where can I find a rather complete list of Gutsy features that are (to be) upgraded in Hardy?
[08:16] <tanner> bullgard4: i dont believe such a list exists
[08:16] <cge> bullgard4: complete? I'm not sure that's something one would want.
[08:17] <bullgard4> tanner: What is the reason for this non-existence?
[08:17] <Zvezdichko> bullgard4: try to upgrade and you will see
[08:17] <Zvezdichko> about several gigabytes of packages
[08:17] <Ziroday> Is it me or is FF3's font rendering kinda off
[08:17] <tanner> bullgard4: the reason is simple: no one has written one.
[08:18] <bullgard4> tanner: ok.
[08:18] <dubby> cge: I am using Driver "vesa" OpenGL renderer string: Radeon X1950 Series OpenGL renderer string: Radeon X1950 Series
[08:18] <dubby> OpenGL version string: 2.1.7412 Release
[08:18] <EdLin> tanner: glxinfo doesn't like the "nv" driver. I'll try the "nvidia" driver again once my upgrade is finished.
[08:18] <RAOF> EdLin: The nv driver doesn't provide 3D acceleration at all.
[08:18] <cge> dubby: You're never going to get composite working well with vesa.
[08:18]  * tanner seconds RAOF
[08:18] <RAOF> dubby: You're not using the vesa driver.
[08:18] <dubby> thats what my xorg.conf says
[08:19] <EdLin> RAOF: I know that, but it does provide 1680x1050, as opposed to 640x480
[08:19] <tanner> composite + vesa = 100% cpu based compositing
[08:19] <RAOF> dubby: I can tell, because you've got an OpenGL Renderer string :)
[08:19] <cge> dubby: How were you trying to enable composite?
[08:19] <dubby> xorg.conf composit extentions "1"
[08:19] <dubby> (sp)
[08:19] <RAOF> EdLin: You could try nouveau, for kinda 3d + really fast 2d :)
[08:20] <dubby> Section "Extensions"
[08:20] <dubby> 	Option		"Composite"	"0"
[08:20] <birmaan> morning
[08:20] <cge> dubby: Have you tried using the Appearance preferences to enable compiz?
[08:20] <dubby> sorry composite "1"
[08:20] <EdLin> RAOF: will compiz workie? :-)
[08:20] <tanner> are you opposed to the binary drivers?
[08:20] <dubby> i have not
[08:20] <RAOF> EdLin: No, more's the pity (if it did, nouveau would be my primary driver).
[08:20] <dubby> because just turning on composite extentions makes my comp worthless
[08:21] <RAOF> EdLin: The 3D stuff is _really_ incomplete & experimental.
[08:21] <dubby> using aiglx
[08:21] <cge> dubby: It does that for you, in a way that will probably actually work.
[08:21] <tanner> dubby: sounds like you have compiz but no 3d acceleration
[08:21] <baudelaire> Does anyone know how to turn on file sharing in Hardy Heron?  There is no obvious way to me -- in gutsy I remember it being in the right click menu, when i clicked on a fiel
[08:21] <EdLin> RAOF: it's too bad that the best 3D is also closed-souurce on nvidia.
[08:21] <EdLin> source*
[08:22] <david> goddamnit Charles Heston is dead :/
[08:22] <tanner> baudelaire: right click -> "sharing options" ?
[08:22] <dubby> tanner: I am not even trying to run compiz
[08:22] <dubby> cge: it says The Composite extension is not available
[08:22] <EdLin> david: I guess someone pried his gun out of his hands now. ;-) ;-)
[08:22] <baudelaire> tanner, I see no such menu -- that's the first thing i tried
[08:22] <david> dead by monkey
[08:22] <tanner> baudelaire: hmm, seems to only work on folders
[08:22] <david> *cough* ape
[08:23] <EdLin> david: dead by ape??
[08:23] <cge> dubby: Oh. You'll need to use the fglrx driver if you want to get it working, then.
[08:23] <baudelaire> tanner, heh -- thanks -- I could have sworn i tried that.
[08:23] <cge> dubby: vesa is hardly ever a good driver to use.
[08:23] <macogw> tanner: in your about:config, add extensions.checkCompatibility and set it to false. then it will load any extension it can, even if the extension's installer file says it cant
[08:24] <tanner> macogw: out of nowhere?
[08:24] <macogw> tanner: i scrolled up to see if anyone had answered me
[08:24] <tanner> macogw: what was your question?
[08:24] <macogw> tanner: saw your complaint about AdBlock Plus
[08:25] <tanner> ah, it works without any modification at the moment
[08:25] <david> EdLin: charles heston <-> planet of the apes reference
[08:25] <zniavre> hello / bonjour
[08:25] <EdLin> david: I think my NRA reference is funnier. ;-)
[08:25] <zniavre> does thunar manage samba  (my nautilus share does not works properly ?
[08:25] <EdLin> david: liked his acting though.
[08:27] <zniavre> !samba
[08:27] <ubotu> Samba is the way to cooperate with Windows environments. Links with more info: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/MountWindowsSharesPermanently and http://help.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/serverguide/C/windows-networking.html - Samba can be administered via the web with SWAT.
[08:29] <david> EdLin: NRA indeed :B
[08:29] <EdLin> david: "I'll give up my gun, when they pry it from my cold dead hands" - Charlton Heston
[08:30] <david> aye
[08:31] <ethana2> how do I print to .png?
[08:31] <EdLin> thus, ol' Charlton has given up his gun.
[08:31] <ethana2> instead of .pdf?
[08:31] <tanner> anyone know how the hell to shift workstation positions
[08:31] <EdLin> tanner: take the workstation and lift it off your desk?
[08:32] <tanner> aren't you hilarious EdLin..
[08:32] <EdLin> tanner: what do you mean by workstation positions?
[08:33] <tanner> workstation one is not at workstation 7
[08:33] <tanner> workstation 2 at 1, 3 at 2, and so on
[08:33] <EdLin> tanner: I remember you could do that kind of thing with enlightenment wm, you could lift and drag programs from desktop to desktop.
[08:34] <EdLin> (the proper terminology is "desktop")
[08:34] <macogw> workstation?
[08:34] <EdLin> within the pager.
[08:34] <tanner> actual, the proper terminology is workspace but lets not split hairs
[08:34] <EdLin> multi-desktop is proper terminology.
[08:35] <EdLin> workspace is OK though.
[08:35] <madagascar> Hi All, could you please give some hints about how can i re-install a package which "is in a very bad inconsistent state ?
[08:35] <jimiridge> nvidia=twinview
[08:35] <EdLin> workstation is something that Sun makes (or where work stops, see: "train station")
[08:36] <macogw> madagascar: sudo aptitude reinstall <package>
[08:36]  * tanner will wait until your done with your useless bantering about the use of workstation or workspace instead of your preferred term, "desktop" or any derivation thereof 
[08:37] <madagascar> hi macogw - thanks, another one, this one i have tried and was unsuccessfull ...
[08:37] <madagascar> have tried aptitude, apt-get install, dpkg --force-overwrite -i , etc
[08:38] <EdLin> tanner: if you want programs to be on a different "workstation", if you prefer, the only ways I know how are in the top-left corner menu, one by one, or with compiz, by dragging. In GNOME, it does not support what you describe, as far as I know.
[08:39] <cge> madagascar: And --force-all, I presume?
[08:39] <tanner> the entire workspace orders change, that is the problem. and it is likely an issue with compiz
[08:40] <EdLin> I haven't used the latest compiz, I'm still trying to get "nvidia" drivers to understand my monitor in Heron.
[08:40] <dubby> hey everyone got it to work
[08:40] <dubby> yay me :-)
[08:40] <tanner> congrats.
[08:40] <madagascar> no, i perceive "force-all" somehow too high for me ...
[08:41] <cge> madagascar: I use it all the time.
[08:42] <quest-usb> trying out 8.04 beta with usb audio and vmware workstation
[08:42] <EdLin> madagascar: it's sometimes a neccesity when beta-testing a debian-based (or worse yet, rpm based) distro.
[08:42] <quest-usb> can't figure out how to pass audio from a usb headset to vmware
[08:42] <Belisarivs> Hi all.
[08:42] <madagascar> thanks cge, thanks EdLin ! will try, never tried before, so i'm just "cautious" ...
[08:43] <Belisarivs> Just wanted to ask whether there is some unofficial repository for development version of KDE4.
[08:43] <tanner> quest-usb: likely you want to check the device you want to pass to vmware under the "removable devices" section in vmware
[08:43] <EdLin> madagascar: as you should be, it's a weapon of last resort.
[08:44] <quest-usb> k looking. wihen I set it up in windows,
[08:44] <quest-usb> I was able to just declare the usb headset as the audio source
[08:44] <madagascar> ok, will let you know ...
[08:45] <tanner> quest-usb: then you should be able to in vmware as well
[08:45] <quest-usb> made speech recog in windows(guest) work better
[08:45] <MTecknology> When I plug in my headset w/ the USB extension I head the login sound and the nothing, if I plug it into the port, I hear nothing altogether... any ideas how to get it working?
[08:45] <MTecknology> anybody around yet w/ any suggestions?
[08:46] <quest-usb> MTecknology: try dbl clicking the speaker icon
[08:47] <quest-usb> the volume control should give you several options
[08:47] <tanner> MTecknology: volume control -> file -> change device -> select your headset, may help resolve your issue
[08:49] <quest-usb> vmworkstation only shows autodetect and /dev/dsp
[08:49] <MTecknology> tanner, I should be able to play music and just start switching between them, right?
[08:50] <quest-usb> damm. it's 4am  need to leave and get some sleep
[08:51] <tanner> MTecknology: i cant say for sure
[08:51] <tanner> quest-usb: seems your device isnt registering then?
[08:52] <quest-usb> it is registering in the log and withe audio on insertion
[08:54] <MTecknology> erichj, tanner, nothing
[08:54] <tanner> quest-usb: does dmesg show the device? how about volume control
[08:55] <erichj> MTecknology, sudo gedit /etc/modprobe.d/alsa-base    then look for "options snd-usb-audio index=-1" if it's set to -2 change it to -1 save and reboot
[08:55] <madagascar> Hi EdLin - force-all didn't worked either ....
[08:56] <MTecknology> erichj, it's set to -2
[08:56] <quest-usb> mixer reports it as xvi usb 7.02 (alsa mixer)
[08:56] <madagascar> this is what i did - sudo dpkg --force-all -i mailscanner_4.66.5-2_all.deb
[08:56] <erichj> set it -1
[08:57] <MTecknology> erichj, when i first plug it in, i hear the ubuntu login sound :S
[08:57] <MTecknology> k
[08:57] <quest-usb> dmesg
[08:57] <erichj> MTecknology, if my way doesn't work you can always revert the change later
[08:57] <quest-usb> [17767.927157] input: Micronas VXI USB 7.02 as /devices/pci0000:00/0000:00:1d.0/usb1/1-2/1-2:1.3/input/input10
[08:57] <quest-usb> [17767.972966] input,hidraw0: USB HID v1.00 Device [Micronas VXI USB 7.02] on usb-0000:00:1d.0-2
[08:58] <MTecknology> erichj, I'm killing my vm and I'll restart
[08:58] <erichj> MTecknology, k
[08:58] <tanner> quest-usb: does it show anywhere where its creating an audio device
[08:59] <quest-usb> not really
[08:59] <tanner> then it seems your usb audio device isnt being recognized as such
[08:59] <quest-usb> it is picked up in the device meny of the volume control
[09:00] <tanner> hmm
[09:00] <tanner> not sure
[09:00] <quest-usb> ok.  it is back to windows tomorrow them where t
[09:00] <quest-usb> e headset works
[09:01] <lintel> I can only access my router via wlan unencrypted -- is this a known bug?
[09:01] <tanner> lintel: um, what is the bug you speak of?
[09:01] <quest-usb> sucks but if you are disabled, linux is not friendly yet
[09:01] <EdLin> lintel: WPA or WEP?
[09:02] <lintel> EdLin, WPA*
[09:02] <EdLin> strange, I recall seeing a fixed bug refering to WEP.
[09:02] <tanner> quest-usb: so be it. however some googling may return your result.
[09:02] <EdLin> of course, WEP is cracked.
[09:03] <matyy> hej, is it possible, that there weren't any updates the last couple of days? feels so strange ^^
[09:03] <blueeyesmike> hi, just did an update on hardy and now I only have about a quarter of my screen show up after I login, can anyone help? running a dell inspiron 6000 usual resolution is 1680x1050
[09:03] <EdLin> blueeyesmike: I'm having problems with my monitor too, even before any updates with nvidia drivers.
[09:04] <lintel> EdLin, I use the notorious AR5007EG, thus apply "madwifi-nr-r3366+ar5007"
[09:04] <blueeyesmike> Mines not nvidia related I have integrated graphics
[09:04] <blueeyesmike> worked fine before an update yesterday
[09:04] <EdLin> blueeyesmike: oh, I guess you can't fix the problem either. :-(
[09:04] <erichj> reconfigure x
[09:05] <blueeyesmike> tried but I might try again
[09:05] <erichj> MTecknology, how did it go?
[09:05] <macogw> lintel: depends on the card
[09:05] <MTecknology> erichj, i booted with the thing plugged in. I hear it when the login screen first loads, then after that everything was on the computer speaker
[09:06] <erichj> MTecknology, ok give me a sec to track something down
[09:06] <MTecknology> erichj, alsamixer has something in there for USB now though
[09:06] <erichj> sweet
[09:06] <erichj> try it
[09:06] <BaD_CrC> ugh... 1405 packages for the upgrade.
[09:06] <BaD_CrC> :(
[09:07] <MTecknology> erichj, sorry, i did already
[09:07] <erichj> BaD_CrC, so wait until final
[09:07] <erichj> MTecknology, ok still looking
[09:07] <BaD_CrC> 30 more packages to go. :)
[09:07] <MTecknology> erichj, I can toss up a screenshot of what i have listed in alsamixer
[09:07] <EdLin> BaD_CrC: from what? I had 396 from the beta iso
[09:07] <erichj> MTecknology, sure
[09:08] <lintel> macogw, I use the notorious AR5007EG, thus apply "madwifi-nr-r3366+ar5007" -- unencrypted connection works
[09:08] <BaD_CrC> upgrade from gutsy. all is good.
[09:08] <BaD_CrC> i'm going back to my WINE hackery now
[09:08] <quest-usb> tanner: when I wake.  but being dependent on speech recognition as your main tool you use to make a living with is scary, add on top of that dependency on a fragile pos like xp and it is positively terrifying.  I was hoping 8.04 was stable enough to make it possible to do some vm games to make it easier to snapshot and go back.  not to mention the xp in a vm guest gives better sr performance than native xp.  oh well, I'll try again when xp looses it's mind in
[09:11] <DarkMageZ> quest-usb, sr performance?
[09:11] <quest-usb> speach recognition performance
[09:11] <erichj> did the pulseaudio manager get removed at some point?
[09:11] <madagascar> Hi EdLin - force-all didn't worked either ....
[09:12] <MTecknology> erichj, http://img227.imageshack.us/my.php?image=42688246ps2.jpg
[09:12] <quest-usb> hands broke yet again 3 days ago and am rebuilding sr laptop.
[09:12] <madagascar> this is what i did - sudo dpkg --force-all -i mailscanner_4.66.5-2_all.deb
[09:12] <erichj> MTecknology, try option 5 on that list
[09:13] <MTecknology> erichj, when I choose it, should sound just switch to it?
[09:13] <erichj> MTecknology, and then 6 if thats a no go. we've established this thing works on alsa
[09:13] <quest-usb> hoping for more stability through vm
[09:13] <gluer_> Q: which OS is better to run in virtualbox seamless mode? xp or vista?
[09:13] <erichj> MTecknology, i'm not sure actually
[09:14] <MTecknology> b/c i've tried them all and it never changes
[09:14] <MTecknology> I'm running bmpx atm
[09:15] <erichj> MTecknology, i just found a forum post from someone who got your headphones working. only problem is that it's in italian
[09:16] <MTecknology> erichj, link?
[09:16] <erichj> http://forum.ubuntu-it.org/index.php?topic=37337.msg195132#msg195132
[09:18] <erichj> i would say to just ran that through babel-fish but you would probably get a translation telling you "drain the goats intelligence blah blah blah"
[09:22] <MTecknology> lol
[09:22] <MTecknology> erichj, apparently sudo in italian means i sweat
[09:22] <erichj> haha
[09:23] <Zvezdichko> hell, I have to go to the bathroom
[09:23] <BonezAU> Hi all
[09:29] <MTecknology> erichj, no use
[09:29] <MTecknology> erichj, all it really talks about is how to change the order of the modules
[09:30] <erichj> hmm
[09:30] <erichj> MTecknology, then I am all out of idea's
[09:30] <MTecknology> aight
[09:30] <MTecknology> ty anyway
[09:30] <erichj> welcome
[09:31] <MTecknology> erichj, gave me something to do while i wait for vs2005 to finish fixing itself (hopefully)
[09:32] <MTecknology> wow... MS sucks.... their own repair utilities further break
[09:32] <david> unrepair(tm)
[09:33] <zniavr1> after reinstalling samba and nautilus share  it still does not work normally  . as every body ?
[09:34] <MTecknology> it's not that hard! you have money to never release another product b/c of buying out competition and taking their leftover money .... don't release something until it works
[09:34] <BonezAU> is anyone having problems installing extensions with firefox 3 or swiftfox 3? i get some random error saying that no extensions are able to be installed.
[09:34] <BonezAU> i will pastebin it shortly
[09:35] <erichj> MTecknology, http://www.collegehumor.com/video:1756202
[09:35] <david> some extensions do not work with 3.x yet - no
[09:35] <david> others do
[09:35] <orvokki> Most don't work with b5 though.
[09:35] <david> ^
[09:36] <BonezAU> david - all extensions i have tried, claim to be compatible with ff3. - i can't seem to install *any* extensions
[09:36] <BonezAU> i'm just trying a re-install now
[09:36] <david> noscript works with up to b5
[09:36] <orvokki> You can always remove the compatibility checks until they release final in July.
[09:36] <david> adblock plus worked up to b4
[09:36] <MTecknology> erichj, won't play
[09:36] <orvokki> david: Yeah, it breaks a bit in b5.
[09:37] <orvokki> Doesn't manage to filter everything.
[09:37] <david> those are the only two I use :)
[09:37] <david> an dofcourse ubuntufox or what it's called
[09:37] <erichj> MTecknology, that sucks. you could always use the time to ask yourself why you are downloading vs2005
[09:37] <BonezAU> removing compatibility checks also made no diff. my problem is not version related, lemme get the error
[09:37] <MTecknology> erichj, it didn't finish repairing... but I have other ways to get that crap.....
[09:38] <MTecknology> I'm dloading office 2007 sp1, vs2005 sp1, and some others now
[09:38]  * orvokki blinks
[09:38]  * erichj hasn't downloaded a service pack in years
[09:39] <orvokki> Unless you need Visual Studio for work, you probably don't want it imo. :)
[09:42] <madagascar> hi all - can you please tell me how to "fix" a package which is in very bad inconsistent state ? can't re-install, can't remove, can't upgrade, nothing works
[09:42] <BonezAU> ok guys... this is using firefox 2 just to prove it's not a FF3 or extension compatability problem -- http://pastebin.com/m1d6dcad6
[09:43] <MTecknology> orvokki, yup.... agreed - I need it for school
[09:43] <MTecknology> orvokki, anything else I do as far as programming goes starts with #!/bin/bash
[09:44] <orvokki> MTecknology: There are usually opensource alternative IDE's.
[09:45] <MTecknology> orvokki, like what?
[09:45] <EdLin> argh! Still goes into 648x480
[09:45] <MTecknology> orvokki, I need to be able to write vb and c# code
[09:46] <orvokki> Oh, for the love of God....
[09:46] <MTecknology> ?
[09:46] <orvokki> Which school forces you to write C#?
[09:46] <Gasten> I'd
[09:46] <MTecknology> orvokki, not so much force c#, but i usually try to do it that way instead :P
[09:47] <EdLin> anybody got a clue as to making X use a resolution besides 640x480 with nvidia drivers?
[09:47] <orvokki> Hmm, for me it just works.
[09:48] <Infecto> hi
[09:48] <EdLin> tell me quickly, my screen sure scrolls off fast at this resolution. ;-)
[09:48] <Gasten> I'd like to have two version of ubuntu on my computer, one with gutsy for production and one with hardy for playing. I'd like them to have the same /home. Are there any gotchas I should know about?
[09:48] <macogw> EdLin: install nvidia's proper drivers
[09:48] <Almindor> hello
[09:48] <orvokki> MTecknology: Well, he didn't even say which ones he has.
[09:48] <macogw> Gasten: sometimes the settings will fight with each other
[09:48] <EdLin> macogw: I did that using the hardware device applet.
[09:48] <orvokki> macogw: Even.
[09:48] <MTecknology> orvokki, right now, I write cobol in netexpress which relies on vs2005 being installed. after that, i need to take the 3rd vb class
[09:48] <Infecto> some one have any idea when will be thermal supported in core2? i have t9300 CPU and :( i cant see any info
[09:48] <macogw> EdLin: did you restart X?
[09:49] <Almindor> I'm running hardy 64bit version on an amd64 laptop, and when I leave it on without any activity I still get it "hot"
[09:49] <EdLin> macogw: yes
[09:49] <EdLin> macogw: in fact, the proper drivers are what breaks things. Without them, X works.
[09:49] <Almindor> any ideas if I'm missing some setting or something? It seems linux/hardy can't do proper power saving on laptops :(
[09:49] <jimiridge> hey i just realized "screens and graphics" is missing from System>Admin
[09:49] <Gasten> macogw: ok. so are you saying that I should have a separate /home for hardy?
[09:49] <macogw> EdLin: X doesnt work at all with them? or is just low res?
[09:49] <Almindor> (me tought that amd64 cpu power modes were handled in latest kernels)
[09:49] <EdLin> just ultra-low res.
[09:50] <EdLin> with no way to use anything higher
[09:50] <macogw> Gasten: probably a good idea to just have /home be in each one and have a bunch of symlinks for your Documents, Videos, etc to a /mnt/data partition
[09:50] <tanner> Almindor: linux can, just dont have the right tools setup. (gnome power management seems vastly lacking compared to kde's)
[09:50] <MTecknology> is Xorg -configure still useful in those cases?
[09:50] <macogw> MTecknology: no
[09:50] <Almindor> tanner, hm I see, any way tu go around it (console tools?etc?)
[09:50] <Gasten> macogw: ah, yes. I can do that.
[09:50] <Gasten> thanks
[09:50] <macogw> EdLin: oh crap this is hardy we're talking about. xorg.conf not so much of an option
[09:51] <Almindor> tanner, thing is I have no idea which component is producing the heat, but it's quite intensive
[09:51] <MTecknology> k - i tried it once and I wasn't sure whether i screwed it up or what
[09:51] <Almindor> tanner, even if I put my ati to low mode
[09:51] <tanner> Almindor: what is it exactly you are trying to do?
[09:51] <EdLin> macogw: I want to get this fixed, I'm afraid that Hardy will come out with the bug as part of the release if it remains unfixable.
[09:51] <Almindor> of course battery life is also pretty bad, I get almos 1/2 compared to windows when I put both on low settings
[09:51] <MTecknology> macogw, why is it no longer useful?
[09:51] <Almindor> tanner, make it not burn power to heat the room :D
[09:52] <jimiridge>  displayconfig-gtk
[09:52] <EdLin> of course, when I ran another distro it had the same problem...
[09:52] <tanner> Almindor: laptop or desktop
[09:52] <Almindor> tanner, laptop
[09:52] <jimiridge> its just missing the link in the menu
[09:52] <jimiridge> still installed
[09:52] <tanner> Almindor: is anything running cpu usage up?
[09:52] <SwissPhoenix>  Hi there, I just toying around with hardy and noticed that any eth interface other than eth0 is being renamed to eth#_rename. I tried adding more interfaces to the 70-persistent-net.rules file, but that does not the trick....
[09:52] <Almindor> tanner, if I turn on laptop with ubuntu/linux, put my ati to low power mode manually and leave the display on low, I still get it hot like hell, even if nothing is being done
[09:52] <Almindor> tanner, no, it's even underthrottled to 800mhz
[09:52] <macogw> MTecknology: its all blank-ish with the new X
[09:53] <macogw> MTecknology: no way to debug from it
[09:53] <MTecknology> o
[09:53] <Almindor> tanner, the only activity is network (some torrents)
[09:53] <macogw> EdLin: which kernel are you running?
[09:53] <EdLin> lol, compiz works even at 640x480. ;-)
[09:53] <Almindor> tanner, but the laptop is feelably hot, like if I was using 100% cpu and wasting away the gfx card at once
[09:53] <macogw> by he way guys, is -15 still broken?
[09:53] <EdLin> -15
[09:54] <macogw> and you obviously have l-r-m....
[09:54] <Almindor> tanner, doesn't happen in windows so I know it's some stupid thing (not that I blame linux, I wouldn't be susprised if ACPI on this thing was M$ broken)
[09:54] <EdLin> macogw: btw, the beta iso kernel and nvidia driver combo had the same problem. I was hoping the update would fix things, once I got it to update.
[09:55] <tanner> hmm
[09:56] <macogw> EdLin: can you run "xrandr --auto" and see if anything happens?
[09:56] <tanner> Almindor: although not directly useful, you may something useful at http://www.lesswatts.org/
[09:56] <EdLin> macogw: nothing happened
[09:57] <Almindor> tanner, yah thanks, I'm running powertop now too
[09:57] <Almindor> tanner, funny is there's nothing suspiscious, I see xchat and transmission activities, normal stuff
[09:57] <Almindor> tanner, it's like some forgotten "powered on" thing
[09:57] <macogw> EdLin: xrandr -s 1024x768
[09:57] <macogw> EdLin: that do anything?
[09:57] <EdLin> macogw: no, should I run it in the terminal?
[09:58] <macogw> try it
[09:58] <EdLin> "size not found in available modes"
[09:58] <macogw> does it list available modes?
[09:59] <macogw> im looking for a way to get the available modes list
[09:59] <tanner> Almindor: very hard to determine what is causing the heat, you seem to think it is the graphics card?
[09:59] <EdLin> macogw: 640x480 and 320x240
[09:59] <Almindor> tanner, possibly, but I set it to low manually, doesn't seem to make difference in heat (only battery time)
[10:00] <macogw> EdLin: xrandr -q
[10:00] <Almindor> tanner, if I let it high it's like 30m battery at best, low -> 1:30h but I still get it heated up pretty much same, so I think the heater is something else
[10:00] <tanner> Almindor: what is the result of "acpi -t"
[10:00] <EdLin> macogw: same
[10:01] <Almindor> tanner, I'm charging atm.
[10:01] <tanner> Almindor: it should report cpu temperature
[10:01] <Almindor> tanner,      Battery 1: charging, 19%, 01:09:59 until charged    Thermal 1: ok, 56.0 degrees C
[10:01] <Almindor> tanner, note that while the thing get's hot, it doesn't wake the fan up (so it's not "hothot" like eg: when 3d is on)
[10:02] <Almindor> tanner, x1600 can do power/heat wonders :P
[10:02] <tanner> hmm :-\ i have no idea what could possibly be causing your system to heat up
[10:03] <macogw> EdLin: xrandr --newmode <name> hdisp hsyncstart hsyncend htotal vdisp vsyncstart vsyncend vtotal
[10:03] <macogw> EdLin: fill in the blanks for your screen and then try?
[10:04] <madagascar> hi all - can you please tell me how to "fix" a package which is in very bad inconsistent state ? can't re-install, can't remove, can't upgrade, nothing works
[10:04] <Almindor> tanner, note that:  cat /proc/acpi/processor/CPU1/throttling gives <not supported>
[10:05] <Almindor> tanner, however power management is on
[10:05] <EdLin> macogw: it gave me a help screen
[10:05] <tanner> Almindor: AMD cpu i assume
[10:05] <Almindor> tanner, yes 64bit with 64bit ubuntu
[10:06] <Almindor> tanner, I upgraded also because of hopes of the new amd64 power management support for these
[10:06] <tanner> hmm
[10:07] <EdLin> If you mean I need to know the frequencies for my screen, my monitor's manuals are all "quickstarts" in 32767 languages with no specs.
[10:07] <EdLin> my monitor is an acer al2216w
[10:07] <EdLin> claims to be "vista ready" but sure isn't Linux ready.
[10:08] <Infecto> some one use compiz too?
[10:08] <EdLin> Infecto: I'm using compiz now, at VGA resolutions!
[10:08] <Infecto> any idea why scrooling sites is so lazyyyyyyyy
[10:09] <EdLin> oh, everything is wizbang fast here.
[10:09] <tanner> Almindor: i'm afraid i have no solution for you, you may find luck on the forums
[10:09] <Almindor> tanner, yeah, no prob. I've been fighting this thing for long now :)
[10:10] <Almindor> tanner, I don't mind that much since I'm on AC most of the time, but it gets bothersome the few times there's no plug
[10:10] <tanner> thats understandable
[10:10] <tanner> my battery life is abysmal in Ubuntu
[10:11]  * EdLin doesn't want to run Windows XP-only with this card. He's been using Linux since kernel 0.95 in '92 or therabouts
[10:12] <EdLin> er, monitor
[10:12] <clarkeo> Hi im having troubble with hardy, I just installed it on my laptop and but when I boot up into Hardy it freezes, to be a bit more specific i think X freezes but im not sure the graphics freezebut I can still use the mouse ie move it around but clicking gets no response neither does the keyboard either trying CTRL + ALT + backspace to restart X or trying to swap to the shell by using CTRL ALT F1  although if I do this bef
[10:12] <clarkeo> any thoughts?
[10:12] <EdLin> the funny thing is that I thought things would improve, Gutsy broke my CRT's monitor support because it wouldn't support higher refresh rates.
[10:13] <Infecto> clarkeo: try recue mode?
[10:13] <EdLin> now nothing works with my new LCD monitor
[10:13] <Infecto> and see some thing in dmesg
[10:13] <Infecto> maybe it will be wifi
[10:14] <Infecto> what driver you use in xorg.conf?
[10:14] <clarkeo> oh I forgot to add this happened on the last install and thinking i might have mucked something up i did a clean install on the previous install i tried reconfiguring X and all that
[10:14] <EdLin> macogw: any thoughts?
[10:14] <clarkeo> Infecto: I can access a terminal just not sure where to go from there
[10:14] <Infecto> sudo -s
[10:14] <Infecto> and go to /etc/X11/
[10:15] <Infecto> vim xorg.conf
[10:15] <Infecto> or :)
[10:15] <Infecto> nano :)
[10:15] <Infecto> if you prefer
[10:15] <clarkeo> i like nano a bit better
[10:15]  * EdLin likes vile
[10:15] <clarkeo> im just restarting at the moment give me a minute
[10:15] <Infecto> so
[10:15] <Infecto> your graphic card is?
[10:16] <EdLin> Infecto: me?
[10:16] <Infecto> EdLin: no, you dont have any problem yes? :)
[10:16] <clarkeo> umm from memory its a radeon mobility i think cant tell you exactly
[10:16] <EdLin> Infecto: well, if you call running at 640x480 a problem, yes I do have a problem.
[10:17] <Infecto> you use what kind of driver
[10:17] <Infecto> binary?
[10:17] <Infecto> fglrx or what?
[10:17] <Zweisteine> Hi! A recent update (Hardy) broke the brightness keys on my Dell laptop. How can I see a list of changes in packages, similar to the one in the update-manager?
[10:18] <clarkeo> well im on a clean install havent even made it to the desktop yet so I dont think it would have installed the restricted driver
[10:18] <clarkeo> ok im in the xorg.conf
[10:18] <clarkeo> it looks rather bare
[10:19] <clarkeo> from memory in gusty it was longer and more details but im not sure
[10:19] <EdLin> I've been on this channel for about 2 1/3 hours, ready to call it a night and go back to Windows for a while unless someone has more of a clue than me.
[10:19] <clarkeo> is there anything i should check?
[10:19] <Infecto> clarkeo: yes thats true
[10:19] <Infecto> Section "Device" Identifier      "Configured Video Device"
[10:19] <Infecto> what you have in there
[10:20] <Infecto> the video driver
[10:20] <clarkeo> umm its just what you copied in there thats all
[10:20] <clarkeo> by the way i used the alternate install disk
[10:21] <EdLin> OK, unless someone can offer me some help, back to windoze. 640x480 sucks, this is *not* 1989.
[10:22] <zylche> Is anyone else having long network lag since switching to 8.04?
[10:23] <Lynoure> zylche: haven't noticed anything. How many targets have you measured against?
[10:24] <Ziroday> Is it me, or are the fonts in Firefox 3 not normal?
[10:24] <clarkeo> Infecto: I presume there should be more than just that in there
[10:24] <zylche> about 20
[10:24] <zylche> I've noticed that too Lynoure
[10:24] <Infecto> clarkeo: try to add
[10:25] <Infecto> Driver "vga"
[10:25] <zylche> er. Ziroday
[10:25] <Infecto> and check
[10:25] <Lynoure> Ziroday: What's not normal? here they fit my theme, though seem smaller than the rest
[10:26] <Lynoure> zylche: my pings everywhere seem about what they were before
[10:26] <Ziroday> Hmm, never mind know I have changed the fonts, but before they were lighter and almost like they were not quite rendering properly
[10:26] <clarkeo> ok ive added that line and saved the file now just waiting for it to reboot
[10:28] <Lynoure> Ziroday: sorry, I cannot remember how they were by default. I'm on kde, so the gtk-kde stuff probably handles the font size slightly differently
[10:28] <clarkeo> ok im running into the same problem just now with less resolution I have a cursor but an otherwise blank screen
[10:29] <boris> hello.
[10:29] <Infecto> kdm start?
[10:29] <Infecto> or gdm
[10:29] <boris> if i install hardy beta on my computer, i will be able to upgrade to full version, right ?
[10:29] <Infecto> go and see xorg.log
[10:29] <clarkeo> how do i tell?
[10:29] <Infecto> but i think that will be other problem
[10:30] <Infecto> less /var/log/Xorg.0.log
[10:30] <Infecto> clarkeo: you made clean install yes?
[10:30] <Infecto> but home partition too?
[10:30] <Infecto> maybe there are some settings in home
[10:30] <Infecto> that don allow to start properly
[10:31] <clarkeo> yea except for the home partition but I created a user which didnt have a home directory already so it's home directory should be brand new
[10:31] <Infecto> so ok
[10:31] <Infecto> you use kdm or gdm
[10:31] <Infecto> to loog in in graphic mode?
[10:31] <clarkeo> gdl
[10:31] <clarkeo> gdm
[10:31] <EdLin> hello again, chatting in loosedoze in order to have a usable browser for googling.
[10:32] <Infecto> and gmd is ok? you see all ok until loog via gdm yes?
[10:32] <Lynoure> EdLin: hmmm, so how is your browser misbehaving in Ubuntu?
[10:32] <clarkeo> no the screen never gets to the login
[10:33] <EdLin> Lynoure, a lot of things don't work well when your resolution is limited to 640x480
[10:33] <Infecto> hmmm
[10:33] <clarkeo> just flashes a couple of times and settles on a blank screen with a cursor
[10:33] <Infecto> clarkeo: try to edit grub
[10:33] <Infecto> remove quiet
[10:33] <Infecto> and splash
[10:34] <Infecto> and then you will se more info
[10:34] <clarkeo> oh but it used to go to login andeven beyond onto the desktop
[10:34] <Lynoure> EdLin: have you checked your xorg.conf already? At least the upgrade earlier this week messed up mine
[10:34] <EdLin> Lynoure, it broke before any upgrading
[10:34] <clarkeo> what would you like me to check in the xorg log?
[10:35] <EdLin> Lynoure, I installed from the beta ISO, and the driver doesn't work in either a fresh install or in an upgraded one.
[10:35] <karmelek> hello everybody
[10:35] <Infecto> clarkeo: if i will be on your place i will remove gdm from rc files start up
[10:35] <Infecto> boot in noot quiet and splash mode
[10:35] <Infecto> observe
[10:35] <karmelek> how to go back to firefox3 beta4 ?
[10:35] <Infecto> and manyaly start gdm
[10:35] <Infecto> and see whats happend
[10:36] <karmelek> I need adblock and it is ucompatibile with beta5
[10:36] <Infecto> propably you will be able to loog on console
[10:36] <clarkeo> im in a console at the moment
[10:36] <Infecto> so
[10:36] <Lynoure> EdLin: oh, a close source driver of some sort?
[10:36] <Infecto> /etc/init.d/gdm stop
[10:36] <EdLin> karmelek, turn off compatibility checking and maybe it will work then
[10:36] <EdLin> Lynoure, yes
[10:37] <EdLin> Lynoure, "nv" makes my system freeze eventually, so its not really an option
[10:37] <karmelek> EdLin: wher I can do it?
[10:37] <Infecto> less /var/log/Xorg.0.log
[10:37] <karmelek> * can I
[10:37] <Infecto> and see any error in there
[10:37] <clarkeo> at the end?
[10:37] <Infecto> propably
[10:38] <clarkeo> no doesnt seem to be
[10:38] <EdLin> karmelek, in about:config, or download the nightly testing tools addon
[10:38] <Lynoure> EdLin: Unfortunately I can't help on those. But there ought to be someone who can.
[10:38] <Infecto> so so so so
[10:38] <Infecto> hmmm
[10:38] <clarkeo> star gdm?
[10:38] <Infecto> gdm start
[10:38] <Infecto> yes
[10:40] <clarkeo> no same thing
[10:40] <clarkeo> would i be better just to download the live CD and reinstall?
[10:40] <Infecto> clarkeo: try one more
[10:40] <Infecto> apt-get install kdm
[10:40] <clarkeo> ok
[10:40] <Infecto> and answer yes to kdm default
[10:40] <clarkeo> sorry dont have internet
[10:41] <Infecto> uuu
[10:41] <Infecto> so
[10:41] <clarkeo> cant acess wireless
[10:41] <Infecto> :(
[10:41] <Infecto> hmm
[10:41] <clarkeo> yea I think i might just go for the live CD?
[10:41] <Infecto> for me that will be better but thats not a solution :)
[10:42] <clarkeo> seems the quickest and least painful
[10:42] <Infecto> maybe that will be a lesson for You :)
[10:42] <clarkeo> yea i see what you mean
[10:42] <clarkeo> you want to find the root cause?
[10:42] <clarkeo> how do you mean?
[10:42] <clarkeo> a lesson??
[10:42] <Infecto> i`m not a developer :) that was a hmm honor :)
[10:43] <Infecto> clarkeo: you write that you mess something yes?
[10:43] <Infecto> so in future you will not mess :)
[10:43] <Tuv0k> how does one change the login font size in gdm, besides the gtkrc file?
[10:43] <clarkeo> Infecto:  no I dont think I did I had a bit of troubble on the first install with .dmrc logging in ie my home folder permissions werent set right
[10:44] <clarkeo> but this is a pretty much clean install apart from the things you have instructed me to do
[10:44] <Infecto> clarkeo:
[10:44] <Infecto> go to home
[10:44] <Infecto> to ~user directory
[10:44] <Infecto> and ls -al
[10:44] <Infecto> and see what have root.root owner
[10:45] <clarkeo> no the .dmrc file problem is gone now i sorted it out
[10:45] <clarkeo> use chown
[10:45] <Infecto> hmm
[10:46] <clarkeo> well thanks for your help
[10:46] <Infecto> no problem
[10:46] <clarkeo> i think this wil remain a mystery
[10:46] <orvokki> EdLin: Hmm, edlin must be the text editor that has gotten on my nerves the most ever. :=)
[10:46] <clarkeo> i presume its a bug in how X detected all my hardware (or didnt detect)
[10:47] <Infecto> but you will se it in xorg log
[10:47] <clarkeo> yea that log is pretty long
[10:47] <clarkeo> but it all seemed just to be messages no real errors
[10:48] <TECO> orvokki, that better?
[10:50] <nikolam> Hello, what 64-bit VM (virtual machine) you would suggest to me for testing Hardy?
[10:50] <nikolam> I want to start testing Hardy Xubuntu 64-bit
[10:50] <clarkeo> Infecto:  thanks again for your help
[10:50] <Infecto> ;]
[10:51] <clarkeo> Infecto:  i appologise that your honour took a bit of a hit :)
[10:51] <Infecto> ;]]]]]]]]]]
[10:51] <loa> Friends where is open source federation site?
[10:51] <Infecto> i eat my brekfast ;]
[10:51] <loa> where i can find list of supported devices
[10:51] <Infecto> sry for latency ;]
[10:52] <clarkeo> Infecto:  your day starts as mine ends it seems
[10:52] <Infecto> loa: in internet :)
[10:52] <clarkeo> have a good day
[10:52] <Infecto> you too :)
[10:52] <loa> IdleOne, i try.
[10:52] <loa> Someone gives it to me here(
[10:52] <loa> but i lost link =/
[10:52] <ChaosParser> loa: Seriously, still?  Have you never heard of google? http://www.linux-drivers.org/
[10:53] <ChaosParser> http://www.jboss.com/federation/index
[10:53] <loa> ChaosParser, It is a joke?
[11:03] <Infecto> hmm
[11:03] <Infecto> my kded crash when i push my special laptop buttons
[11:05] <zylche> Is there a way to get gnome-panel to allow the panel size back to its 23pxl minimum size?
[11:05] <zylche> 25pxl is a bit big ...
[11:06] <karmelek>  /j #firefox
[11:06] <nikolam> Infecto,  hah, report and dont touch :)
[11:07] <Infecto> but there is no opton to debug it :) i want to report with as much info i can get
[11:08] <tanner> Infecto: what special button
[11:09] <_sidd> Here's a weird problem I've been having since I upgraded to hardy... if I close a window, the focus switches to another window, but I am unable to type anything in the new window... even if I click inside the new window. The only way to get the "keyboard focus" to the new window, is to click on its title-bar.
[11:09] <Infecto> tnadvd and quick play
[11:09] <_sidd> Has anyone else seen this before?
[11:09] <Infecto> tanner:
[11:09] <Infecto> i have backtrace but
[11:09] <Infecto> hmm
[11:11] <Infecto> but i kill kded and
[11:11] <Infecto> start new
[11:11] <Infecto> and can use other buttons
[11:11] <Infecto> only ctr^alt^back can help :)
[11:12] <Infecto> tanner: all other buttons works ok, stop play mute vol up down
[11:12] <tanner> you never told me what button was the problem
[11:13] <Infecto> tanner: i have two more buttons
[11:13] <darrend> hi - anyone tell me why I get "Cannot mount volume" due to some security policy issue when plugging in a media card?
[11:13] <Infecto> one is dvd and other is quickplay
[11:13] <tanner> hmm
[11:13] <tanner> perhaps someone in #kde can help
[11:14] <psy> I have a problem with adept, "Could not commit changes" dialog keeps appearing when I try to make it do any thing. How can I trouble shoot this problem?
[11:14] <psy> I'm using kubuntu beta
[11:14] <virtuald> javascript:alert(0.1+0.2) in firefox says 0.30000000000000004, is that a bug?
[11:15] <ChaosParser> darrend: whats the exact error, please?
[11:15] <ChaosParser> _sidd: Gnome or KDE, and do you have compiz running?
[11:16] <_sidd> ChaosParser:  Gnome, and I do have compiz running... but I tried it without compiz, and I get the same effect.
[11:16] <zylche> Oh and is "hardware testing" supposed to work? xorg restarted, probably due to a crash, when it tested my video out.
[11:18] <ChaosParser> _sidd: I'd try booting into failsafe terminal, and then sudo apt-get remove ubuntu-desktop, sudo apt-get install ubuntu-desktop
[11:18] <darrend> ChaosParser: one sec..
[11:19] <darrend> ChaosParser: Error org.freedesktop.DBus.Error.AccessDenied
[11:19] <_sidd> ChaosParser: Good idea... let me try that. Thanks!
[11:19] <ChaosParser> _sidd: No problem, good luck!
[11:20] <darrend> ChaosParser: followed by: "A security policy in plkace prevents this sender sending this message to this recipient..."
[11:20] <ChaosParser> darrend: Please open a terminal, type modprobe usb-storage and then paste the output in pastebin and post the link here.
[11:21] <ChaosParser> !pastebin
[11:21] <ubotu> pastebin is a service to post multiple-lined texts so you don't flood the channel. The Ubuntu pastebin is at http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org (make sure you give us the URL for your paste - see also the channel topic)
[11:21] <darrend> ChaosParser: sure that's the command you want?
[11:22] <darrend> there is no output from it
[11:22] <darrend> the usb_)storage module is already loaded as shown by lsmod
[11:23] <madagascar> Hi - any idea how can this be fixed ? "sudo aptitude reinstall mailscanner" results in "dpkg: error processing /var/cache/apt/archives/mailscanner_4.58.9-2ubuntu1_all.deb (--unpack): subprocess new pre-removal script returned error exit status 1; invoke-rc.d: initscript mailscanner, action "start" failed. dpkg: error while cleaning up: subprocess post-installation script returned error exit status 1; Errors were encountered while processi
[11:23] <darrend> the error looks like Hal or policykit
[11:24] <ChaosParser> darrend: Have you tried creating a new user and seeing if the problem occurs for that user?
[11:24] <darrend> ChaosParser:http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/62305/ here ya go anyway
[11:25] <darrend> ChaosParser: no, I haven't.  Never had this issue on any previous ubuntu (or other distro for that matter).  I can try though.
[11:26] <darrend> hmm
[11:26] <darrend> now I can't access "Users and Groups" from the system admin menu!  Doesn't even bother with gksudo for a password - flat refuses me.
[11:27] <nekostar> so
[11:27] <nekostar> anyone notice k3b can only burn dvd's at 4+6 speeds?
[11:27] <darrend> something odd has been installed security-wise.  Is it this new policykit thing?
[11:27] <ChaosParser> darrend: Sounds like fubared permissions.
[11:27] <nekostar> auto or 8x == 10 second/error burn
[11:27] <ChaosParser> darrend: Failsafe terminal, create a new user.
[11:27] <nekostar> darrend i can get that
[11:27] <nekostar> ChaosParser single user even better
[11:28] <darrend> ChaosParser: what permissions?  I'm still in the adm group, I can still perform system updates, get a root shell and so on
[11:28] <nekostar> interesting
[11:28] <nekostar> i can bring up that users etc menu
[11:28] <nekostar> but i cant modify my user
[11:28] <nekostar> oo
[11:28] <nekostar> there's an unlock
[11:29] <ChaosParser> darrend: If it's refusing access to a standard menu, there's a problem.  I
[11:31] <Cheetah> heya
[11:33] <matyy> is it an error that there were no updates for me in the last couple of days? ^^
[11:33] <Cheetah> i got some trouble with nvidia drivers after upgrading to hardy from 7.10... gnome starts in 320x240 or 640x480 pixels resolutions and even after messing around a lot with the Xorg config files I can't seem to find out a way to fix it
[11:34] <Cheetah> I use a Nvidia 8600GT and I tried both ubuntu-shipped drivers and to build them myself from nvidia.com
[11:34] <madagascar> Hi ubotu, can you give some hints ? i've pasted some similar content at http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/62307/
[11:34] <hischild> !me
[11:34] <ubotu> I am ubotu, all-knowing infobot. You can browse my brain at http://ubotu.ubuntu-nl.org/factoids.cgi - Usage info: http://wiki.ubuntu.com/UbuntuBots
[11:34] <gluer> cheetah: I just used an app called Envy, it downloaded the Nvidia drivers for my card and installed it all for me, worked really well
[11:35] <Adys> Anyone updated FF to beta5?
[11:35] <Adys> Mine keeps segfaulting :/
[11:35] <Cheetah> gluer, okay, didn't hear about envy yet.. I'll check it out
[11:35] <hischild> !envy | Cheetah
[11:35] <ubotu> Cheetah: envy is an unsupported tool to install newer versions of binary video drivers than provided by the official repositories. Use at your own risk, and remember that the latest version is not necessarily the "best". See « /msg ubotu binarydriver »
[11:35] <hischild> Cheetah, aka don't use it.
[11:36] <gluer> hischild: im not getting any commission for pluging it ;-) it just worked well for me
[11:37] <Cheetah> well, I dont see an advantage in using envy right now.. I tried a lot of things so far and I can't figure out where the two resolutions come from and why the others are gone
[11:37] <hischild> !worksforme | gluer (read this please)
[11:37] <ubotu> gluer (read this please): Common Sense: Just because you can, does not mean you should (and especially recommend to others). Think before you do. "Works for me" does not mean it is ok. The latest version of everything is not always useful if you aim for stability. Please see http://geekosophical.net/random/worksforme/
[11:37] <gluer> understood
[11:38] <hischild> gluer, i don't have anything against envy in general, don't get me wrong. But from what i've heard from it, it can be done better.
[11:38] <matyy> Adys: you updated manually? it's not in the sources yet, is it?
[11:38] <Cheetah> and .. for some reason my card is not listed in the restricted hardware panel anymore..? why?
[11:39] <Adys> matyy:  it is, I had to reinstall though
[11:39] <Adys> uninstall firefox-3.0 and reinstall it
[11:39] <ChaosParser> Cheetah: Does your mobo have onboard graphics?
[11:39] <matyy> i am trying now
[11:39] <nekostar> matyy
[11:39] <ChaosParser> Cheetah: does the card showup in a lspci?
[11:39] <nekostar> open terminal do sudo apt-get update
[11:40] <nekostar> then try a sudo apt-get dist-upgrade
[11:40] <nekostar> might be a settings thing ;)
[11:40] <matyy> I tried that
[11:40] <Cheetah> chaosParser, yes. yes. and I sort of had the nvidia driver work in 320x240 pixel mode for a moment
[11:40] <nekostar> and?
[11:40] <matyy> nothing, no updates... I just wonder if there were any in the last couple of days
[11:40] <nekostar> dunno
[11:40] <nekostar> i think so tho
[11:40] <nekostar> but not sure
[11:40] <nekostar> i only reinstalled a couple days ago :P
[11:41] <nekostar> turns out i have the k3b wont burn bug
[11:41] <nekostar> which boils down to must set k3b to burn at slow speed or it just wont
[11:41] <ChaosParser> Cheetah: Honestly, I'd try Envy.  There isn't much to loose at that point.
[11:42] <Cheetah> ChaosParser, true.. just for the record, is there a way to install ubuntu over an existing installation without having to manually transfer the home folders and stuff?
[11:44] <nekostar> hey
[11:44] <nekostar> for vid stuff if your trying to get compiz to work
[11:44] <nekostar> try #compiz-fusion
[11:44] <nekostar> they are gods there
[11:44] <nekostar> :P
[11:46] <ChaosParser> Cheetah: Next time put home on its own partition.
[11:46] <ChaosParser> Cheetah: Otherwise, not so much.
[11:46] <Cheetah> alrighty
[11:47] <r3k13m> Hello, I've seen on a screenshot that nautilus is able to show the speed rate when you move or copy files, but not for me, someone know something about this?
[11:48] <ChaosParser> r3k13m: Are you using gnome?
[11:48] <r3k13m> ChaosParser, yes
[11:49] <Cheetah> hah
[11:49] <Cheetah> envy fixed it
[11:49] <Cheetah> for some reason it works now :D
[11:49] <darrend> ChaosParser: can't even run the 'users-admin' program from a root shell (obtained with sudo -i) !
[11:49] <r3k13m> mmm, envy?
[11:49] <ChaosParser> darrend: Then your install is fubared.
[11:50] <darrend> mm
[11:50] <gluer> cheetah: sometimes driving fast does work
[11:50] <ChaosParser> Cheetah: Yeah, I kinda hate the bot response to Envy.  I've never seen a problem with it.
[11:50] <darrend> think I'll just do a clean install after the official release
[11:50] <nekostar> !envy
[11:50] <ubotu> envy is an unsupported tool to install newer versions of binary video drivers than provided by the official repositories. Use at your own risk, and remember that the latest version is not necessarily the "best". See « /msg ubotu binarydriver »
[11:50] <nekostar> what
[11:50] <nekostar> thats just the truth
[11:50] <ChaosParser> nekostar: We know.  Shush already.
[11:50] <darrend> I have /home and some other stuff on separate partitions for that reasono
[11:51] <nekostar> mm whats the other one..
[11:51] <nekostar> !automatix
[11:51] <ubotu> Automatix is no longer developed or supported by its creators and is not recommended, supported or needed by Ubuntu. See http://mjg59.livejournal.com/77440.html and « /msg ubotu WorksForMe »
[11:51] <nekostar> !worksforme
[11:51] <ubotu> Common Sense: Just because you can, does not mean you should (and especially recommend to others). Think before you do. "Works for me" does not mean it is ok. The latest version of everything is not always useful if you aim for stability. Please see http://geekosophical.net/random/worksforme/
[11:51] <ChaosParser> Automatix was poorly written.  And broke crap.
[11:51] <nekostar> bahj
[11:51] <nekostar> i used it up to feisty on several hundred installs
[11:51] <nekostar> no problems but mebbie one or two
[11:51] <nekostar> which is normal for anything
[11:52] <r3k13m> nothing about the speed rate transsfer on nautilus?
[12:00] <boris> if i install hardy beta on my computer, i will be able to upgrade to full version, right ?
[12:00] <twosouls82> why doesn't apparmor work when I boot the 2.6.24-15-generic kernel (using Hardy), it does when I boot instead of 2.6.24-14-generic?
[12:01] <twosouls82> what a bad sentence
[12:01] <twosouls82> :D
[12:01] <boris> do you really need apparmor on linux ?
[12:01] <twosouls82> why does it work when I run the ..-14 kernel and not when I run the ...-15 one?
[12:02] <twosouls82> boris: I don't want to discuss that, choose for yourself
[12:02] <twosouls82> boris: about you being able to upgrade; yes you can
[12:03] <UcayaliFish> hi all
[12:03] <twosouls82> hi there
[12:03] <skwashd> hi all
[12:03] <UcayaliFish> I've a problem with openoffice 2.4 and java
[12:03] <blackdiamond_> anyone confirm the fact that there is no way to open directly browser on weblinks using xchat on hardy?
[12:03] <skwashd> is there a replacement for fonts:/// in hardy?
[12:03] <blackdiamond_> i got this problem
[12:04] <dns53> skwashd i believe it is a known bug in the new gnome, check the release notes
[12:04] <UcayaliFish> simply OOo doesn't see any jvm I've tried to install
[12:04] <nekostar> apparmor?
[12:04] <nekostar> what does that do?
[12:04] <skwashd> dns53: yay ... trawling through release notes
[12:04] <UcayaliFish> is it a known porblems?
[12:05] <nekostar> www.google.com
[12:05] <twosouls82> blackdiamond_: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/debianutils/+bug/69069 might help
[12:05] <ubotu> Launchpad bug 69069 in debianutils "sensible-browser not using user's browser from gnome-default-applications-properties" [Undecided,Confirmed]
[12:05] <nekostar> push control then click link
[12:05] <nekostar> seems to work fine from here UcayaliFish
[12:05] <blackdiamond_> thanks twosouls
[12:07] <boris> twosouls82: ok, ty
[12:07] <dns53> skwashd note 6,11 http://library.gnome.org/misc/release-notes/2.22/
[12:08] <skwashd> dns53: ok ... great ... found it http://library.gnome.org/misc/release-notes/2.22/#sect:gvfs-regressions
[12:08] <skwashd> so next question ... how do i see all of my installed fonts on hardy?
[12:09] <dns53> not sure, i think they fixed it after release, i don't know if hardy will have it fixed
[12:09] <ere4si> just gave up on the firefox 3 that hardy installs - it couldn't show images
[12:10] <recon69> anyone got the nvidia restricted drivers to work with 6800 nvidia video card without causing gnome settings daemon to crash   ?
[12:10] <topyli> ere4si: it does show images. your firefox is broken in some special way
[12:11] <ere4si> topyli: it won't show images from the forum gallery for example - I removed it and installed firefox 2
[12:13] <topyli> ere4si: the forum gallery works fine
[12:13] <Cheetah> how do I get rid of the Xubuntu login screen after upgrading to hardy? I had a normal Ubuntu before but I installed xfce after that
[12:13] <ere4si> topyli: no images here were working right...
[12:14] <shirish> anybody using the new openoffice.org 2.4.0 around here?
[12:17] <boris> someone please tell me : if i upgrade from gutsy to hardy, what will happen to my 8.3 fglrx and to my desktop appearance ?
[12:17] <topyli> hmm where's the hardy splash screen? i get the gnome splash
[12:18] <shirish> topyli: do you have openoffice.org 2.4.0 installed?
[12:18] <topyli> no idea
[12:18] <topyli> looks like i do
[12:19] <shirish> topyli: can u open any application in openoffice.org and tell me if u see a menu item called SVN ?
[12:19] <topyli> boris: your fglrx will be broken most likely, and your desktop will stay the same
[12:19] <shirish> topyli: just after tools
[12:19] <boris> thank you
[12:20] <topyli> shirish: no svn menu
[12:20] <topyli> it's probably a plugin. i have a "google docs" menu right after "tools" :)
[12:21] <topyli> apparently openoffice likes to complain about missing java
[12:21] <shirish> topyli: its a plugin, I uninstalled the plugin but it still stays, I did an aptitude purge and uninstalled and removed all the configuration files but still this SVN menu is there :(
[12:22] <topyli> shirish: i guess you actually haven't removed all configuration yet, then :)
[12:22] <shirish> topyli: which configuration files need to be removed for that menu to go away, any idea?
[12:23] <topyli> none whatsoever
[12:23] <topyli> i'm not a very big openoffice fan, i rarely have to use it
[12:25] <shirish> removed .openoffice.org2 directory, end of story :)
[12:28] <UcayaliFish> hi again
[12:29] <UcayaliFish> all i've seen in google in regard OOo and Java doesn't work - i've tried all this without google;)
[12:29] <UcayaliFish> no more ideas?
[12:30] <dns53> what version of java are you using?
[12:31] <UcayaliFish> i'm preferring 1.6.05, but I've given a try to all available in the distro
[12:31] <BaD_CrC> icedtea is nice for java7
[12:32] <UcayaliFish> i've tried it but it didn't work either:(
[12:32] <BaD_CrC> what are you trying to do?
[12:32] <dns53> you used update-alternatives to set ubuntu to use it?
[12:33] <UcayaliFish> i'm trying to use java in openoffice. just it
[12:34] <UcayaliFish> both java per se and OOo without java work fine. :)
[12:34] <Cheetah> is it intended that the shadows in Hardy are yellowish under the windows?
[12:34] <topyli> UcayaliFish: i'm looking at the same thing. no luck
[12:36] <UcayaliFish> i see... thanks anyway
[12:55] <madduck> how can i disable that windows are attracted to screen borders?
[12:55] <madduck> i am running 8.04 beta
[12:59] <osteenbergen> dont know madduck i will have a look for you
[12:59] <madduck> osteenbergen: thanks a lot
[13:04] <osteenbergen> Sorry madduck i dont believe it is possible to disable but the ubuntuforums are down, but the cached google pages say it is down
[13:04] <madduck> hm, weird...
[13:05] <madduck> this is kind of annoying...
[13:06] <fromport> madduck: run ccsm
[13:06] <osteenbergen> gconf-editor shows no options for it under apps > metacity
[13:06] <fromport> it's compiz
[13:07] <osteenbergen> but compiz is slow ;)
[13:07] <osteenbergen> compared to metacity
[13:07] <fromport> it's compiz that makes the windows "glue" to the sides
[13:08] <fromport> i bet you madduck has compiz enabled
[13:08] <osteenbergen> metacity also snaps to border
[13:08] <fromport> madduck ?!
[13:09] <hischild> everything is slow, compared to fluxbox :P
[13:09] <madduck> agreed
[13:09] <madduck> and yes, i enabled full effects
[13:09] <fromport> did you start ccsm in a terminal window ?
[13:10] <hischild> madduck, then go into ccsm (install if needed) and disable snapping to borders.
[13:10] <fromport> than go the lowest section : window management
[13:10] <fromport> disable "snapping windows"
[13:13] <amx109> is HAL dead for anyone else (in gnome)?
[13:14] <madduck> fromport: thanks, that worked
[13:15] <fromport> madduck: welcome
[13:16] <madduck> fromport: actually, no...
[13:16] <madduck> i turned it off and it's still snapping
[13:16] <osteenbergen> anyone got acpi working correctly with battery?
[13:16] <madduck> ah, wobbly windows force-enables it.
[13:22] <fromport> osteenbergen:  acpi -V Battery 1: charging, 99%, rate information unavailable.
[13:22] <fromport> madduck: more interesting info can be found at: http://www.futuredesktop.com/
[13:23] <osteenbergen> fromport:  AC Adapter 1: off-line ; acpi:     Battery 1: charging, 100%,  until charged
[13:23] <osteenbergen> that is what mine reports while running on battery
[13:26] <fromport> Battery 1: discharging, 99%, 02:15:26 remaining  AC Adapter 1: off-line
[13:26] <fromport> wheni unplug the mains
[13:26] <fromport> did you update your laptop with latest/greatest bios ?
[13:27] <osteenbergen> well i just got a new mobo last month in it so i believe so but will check
[13:27] <fromport> it's not a laptop ?
[13:28] <osteenbergen> yeah it a laptop
[13:28] <fromport> :-) ahh ok .. you got me there for a second
[13:28] <osteenbergen> but the the sound part of the mobo died on me.. so its replaced :)
[13:29] <osteenbergen> Great can ony update bios if i run windows xp...
[13:29] <osteenbergen> maybe the bios manufacturer has some linux enabled tools
[13:30] <fromport> i generate dos disk images that i boot over PXE ;-)
[13:31] <osteenbergen> will try that
[13:32] <ader10> I plug in my USB flash drive, copy some files and unplug it. The nautilus window I had open at /media/disk/copyfiles changes locations to /home/ader10. Is there a way to have the window automatically close instead?
[13:33] <macsim> hi, since I'm on the kernel 2.6.24-15 I got a Unable to intialize HAL, it doen't occur when I'm on the 2.6.24-14, anybody know how to fix that ? thanks
[13:34] <Ziroday> Hi, is there a way to mount a IDE drive when I am currently working on a SATA drive?
[13:36] <insomninja> Ziroday, was the drive connected before booting?
[13:37] <Ziroday> insomninja: yes
[13:38] <ader10> Ziroday: It doesn't show in your "computer" special folder in nautilus?
[13:38] <macsim> ok I found it's bug https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+bug/212221
[13:38] <ubotu> Launchpad bug 212221 in ubuntu "[hardy][2.6.24-15] Failed to initialize HAL" [Undecided,New]
[13:38] <insomninja> Ziroday, well then you should be able to mount it with the mount command, like mount /dev/hdb1 /media/mydisk
[13:38] <WGGMk> When trying to install gfx-grub, i use the command "sudo grub" then "find /boot/grub/stage1" and it returns "Error 15: file not found"
[13:38] <Derevko> Hi, with recent upgrade, today all browser (I try firefox and epiphany) are crashing with https://www.bwin.com . Someoene can confirm this?
[13:38] <insomninja> but you need to correct the /dev/hda1 to what it really is
[13:38] <Ziroday> nope it does not show in my computer special folder
[13:39] <ader10> sudo mkdir /media/mydisk && sudo mount /dev/sda1 /media/mydisk (It might be hda1 or 2 or sda2)
[13:39] <Ziroday> and it does not show up in gparted or fdisk -l ,which it should even if its not mounted
[13:39] <ader10> Hmm, I believe that is a problem with the bios or connection then.
[13:40] <ader10> iirc if it's not detected during bootup by the bios it can't be mounted. I don't know for sure, though.
[13:41] <r3k13m> Hello, I've seen on a screenshot that nautilus is able to show the speed rate when you move or copy files, but not for me, someone know something about this?
[13:41] <sam_> hi i upgraded to the beta. My broadcom wireless card no longer appears in the proprietary drivers manager
[13:42] <sam_> it worked fine in gutsy
[13:42] <insomninja> Ziroday, are you sure it is correctly connected, master/slave configuration and whatnot, Is it detected in bios?
[13:42] <Ziroday> insomninja: okay will check that
[13:42] <Ziroday> could very well be the problem
[13:43] <ader10> sam_: Are you unable to use it?
[13:43] <sam_> BCM4312 - any reason why this could be less well supported in the beta?
[13:43] <sam_> no it does not work
[13:44] <insomninja> Ziroday, also if you run ls /dev/hd??; ls /dev/sd?? and then run the mount command, is there anything that shows up in the previous and not the latter?
[13:44] <ader10> sam_: I don't know enough to help, but have you checked for bugs or filed a bug report?
[13:45] <sam_> ader10, not yet
[13:45] <ader10> sam_: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/ :)
[13:52] <sam_> it says there is a 'fix committed' https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/linux/+bug/197959 how would i get that update? just wait?
[13:52] <ubotu> Launchpad bug 197959 in linux "[Hardy]Recent kernel update to 2.6.24-11 breaks b43 (with bcm4312)" [High,Fix committed]
[13:52] <sam_> i would like to use wireless soon!
[13:54] <WGGMk> When trying to install gfx-grub, i use the command "sudo grub" then "find /boot/grub/stage1" and it returns "Error 15: file not found" is this an issue with Hardy Heron or would this be caused by having an LVM partition scheme?
[13:58] <Tatanka> my gnome-system-tools always get stuck with "You are not allowed to access the system configuration." I tried everything I could find on the net, but nothing changed. Can anyone assist me further?
[13:59] <jimiridge> sudo
[13:59] <Tatanka> doesn't work
[14:00] <Tatanka> it uses policykit in hardy by the way, so sudo doesn't do anything with it.. If I read correctly
[14:00] <ubuntu_> hey all
[14:01] <ubuntu_> i have a problem, upgrading to hardy heron
[14:01] <ubuntu_> confusion (in udev?) with sda and hda.. now grub won't load
[14:03] <ubuntu_> anyone?
[14:03] <MisterN> ubuntu_: maybe you should have waited for the release.
[14:03] <ubuntu_> perhaps, but this isn't the case now
[14:03] <ubuntu_> the problem is that for some reason, i can't install grub right on it
[14:04] <ubuntu_> i can see there's a boot flag on the partition, and i try to install grub on it but i either get "/dev/sda1 does not have any corresnponding BIOS drive." or somethign else
[14:09] <boris> is hardy ready for a desktop machine ?
[14:09] <boris> nothing important on it
[14:10] <Lynoure> boris: it is, if you are ok with stuff sometimes not working, maybe even sometimes seriously not working
[14:11] <boris> for example, what's not working ?
[14:11] <boris> i wanna play tremulous, install fglrx and listen to music plus browse the net
[14:11] <Asad2005_> I have a 500 GB hard drive is it ok to have /home as 400 GB
[14:11] <amx109> Asad2005_, yes
[14:11] <MisterN> Asad2005_: yes.
[14:12] <amx109> boris, you should  be fine for those things
[14:12] <Lynoure> boris: Some nvidia users have reported not getting resolution over 600x480, for example.
[14:12] <boris> ive got ati
[14:12] <boris> and already downloaded live cd
[14:12] <boris> it somehow set my resolution to 1440x900
[14:12] <boris> which is correct
[14:12] <Asad2005_> I mean would it be a performance issue if the /home partition is big
[14:12] <boris> but i dont know which driver it used :O
[14:12] <amx109> boris, there doesnt seem to be any major show stoppers. just niggly things, varying from person to person
[14:12] <MisterN> Asad2005_: no
[14:13] <Lynoure> boris: just don't expect it always to work, if it did, it would be called release
[14:13] <boris> does VESA support 1440x900
[14:13] <boris> Lynoure: does package manager work ?
[14:14] <Lynoure> boris: I'm on Kubuntu, don't use Adept much here, but seems to work
[14:14] <boris> hm
[14:14] <boris> well it couldnt be much worse, im not getting any sound on gutsy
[14:15] <boris> i did get login sound on hardy, however
[14:15] <Lynoure> boris: it could. But not saying you should not :)
[14:15] <boris> what about compiz fusion ?
[14:16] <amx109> boris, works fine
[14:16] <boris> ill wait till next version of fglrx is released
[14:16] <Lynoure> boris: blacklisted for some of the ati cards, I think
[14:16] <Lynoure> oh, not bl for that driver, I think
[14:17] <boris> gutsy says my card is
[14:17] <boris> 01:00.0 VGA compatible controller: ATI Technologies Inc Unknown device 9587
[14:17] <jimiridge> http://i29.tinypic.com/10gidzr.jpg  (off-topic)
[14:17] <boris> but hardy detected it as VGA compatible controller : ATI Technologies HD 2600 Pro AGP Version
[14:18] <boris> :D
[14:18] <jimiridge> 2600 good number though ati is a shady company
[14:20] <Asad2005_> what would be the best file system to use for ubuntu, i have always been using ext3 but would like your opinion should there be a better system to use that i am not aware of
[14:20] <amx109> Asad2005_, its dependant on ure needs, but generally ext3 is fast enough and more than reliable
[14:24]  * jimiridge raises a glass to ext3
[14:24] <jimiridge>  ext4 is maturing last i checked
[14:26] <Zeit|awy> try to install 8.04b on a HP Xeon workstation.. installer drops into busybox right after chosing to install.. any hints? casper.log say unable to find medium - it boots off an internal IDE-DVD-ROM
[14:27] <jimiridge> isnt that a 64bit cpu?
[14:27] <Zeit|awy> no
[14:27] <Zeit|awy> older Xeon based on 4
[14:27] <Zeit|awy> Intel E7505 chipset
[14:29] <Zeit|awy> specs: http://h18000.www1.hp.com/products/quickspecs/11485_na/11485_na.HTML
[14:29] <jimiridge> doesnt give you any type of error output?
[14:30] <Zeit|awy> in casper.log?
[14:31] <Zeit|awy> 10x floppy not found, then no live medium found
[14:31] <Zeit|awy> no other errors
[14:32] <Zeit|awy> I wonder why i searches for /dev/fd0 and tha machine has a floppy anyway
[14:34] <Zeit|awy> almost 20x: init: /init: 1: cannot open /dev/fd0: No such device or address, then unable to find a medium containing a live file system
[14:36] <jimiridge> hm
[14:36] <jimiridge> didnt grab the cd?
[14:36] <Zeit|awy> seems so
[14:36] <jimiridge> you could try disabling floppy in bios
[14:36] <Zeit|awy> though it boots from it...
[14:36] <Zeit|awy> reminds me of Windows.. ^^
[14:36] <jimiridge> and check dmesg for the cdrom
[14:39] <Zeit|awy> disabled floppy - no change
[14:39] <jimiridge> well yeah but check dmesg and syslog
[14:39] <Zeit|awy> how can I disable the ubuntu splash logo on boot?
[14:40]  * penguin42 isn't really sure where to report this oddity - suggestions welcome; the 'System->Preferences->Removable drives and media' doesn't have what to do with a CD inserted; that's on the Nautilus preferences dialog - it's a bit odd
[14:40] <spiderfire> my firefox 3 says its firefox 2 under the help menu
[14:40] <penguin42> spiderfire: Where? On the 'help'?
[14:40] <spiderfire> ya
[14:40] <penguin42> on the about ?
[14:41] <spiderfire> ya
[14:41] <penguin42> spiderfire: How did you start it?
[14:41] <spiderfire> from an icon with the command firefox or firefox-3.0
[14:41] <penguin42> did you previously have ff2 running?
[14:42] <spiderfire> ya i had both
[14:42] <penguin42> ok, quit it and make sure there are no firefox processes running and then try starting it again
[14:44] <spiderfire> ok ya now it works
[14:44] <spiderfire> i didnt see the processes running
[14:45] <Sergeant_Pony> morning
[14:45] <spiderfire> hello
[14:46] <penguin42> spiderfire: I think when you run the firefox command it really just tells the existing process to open a new window
[14:46] <spiderfire> wierd
[14:47] <penguin42> spiderfire: Not really; it means that you only need to run 1 process if you have 10 firefox windows open; and it means it can do smart things like just open another tab
[14:48] <spiderfire> ya
[14:53] <penguin42> incidentally; is the creature on the new backdrop a Heron?
[14:55] <hischild> penguin42, that'd be hardy heron yes.
[14:55] <hischild> penguin42, a bird like creature on the background.
[14:55] <emma> where are you looking at the new backdrop?
[14:56] <penguin42> hischild: And very nice it is
[14:56] <fidelio> desperate! need help with upgrade!
[14:56] <hischild> penguin42, admitted, it looks nice.
[14:56] <hischild> fidelio, what kind of help exactly?
[14:57] <fidelio> I just upgraded from 6.04 to hardy and Idon''t have characters anynmore ...only rectangles.  Any idea onhow to fix this?
[14:57] <hischild> fidelio, sounds like broken fonts. Did you try to reinstall the fonts?
[14:57] <fidelio> don't know how...I see only rectangles
[14:58] <penguin42> fidelio: Is that in X or on the console? Do you use English or another language?
[14:58] <fidelio> X? console? only english
[14:58] <hischild> fidelio, if you hit ctrl alt f2, do you also see rectangles? Do all the apps give you rectangles?
[14:59] <fidelio> let me try
[15:00]  * penguin42 probably wouldn't have done an upgrade from 6.04 to 8.10 in one go; probably better to go a few steps at a time
[15:00] <leeuw> has anyone had the problem: "failed to start HAL" after last updates ?
[15:01]  * hischild notifies that lts to lts upgrade should be possible. 
[15:05] <fidelio_> here I am again.. after CTR ALt F2 i got lot numbers referreign to MAC, eth....adderesese..on top I read development branh (Hardy) TTy2..
[15:05] <fidelio_> and I had to reboot...by the waty
[15:07] <emma> The questions in #ubuntu some times seem a little obscure.
[15:08] <fidelio_> I have upgraded from 6.04 to hardy and see only rectangles...any suggestion?
[15:09] <fidelio_> somebody here suggested to type ctr +alt + f2
[15:09] <compwiz18> fidelio_: do you use English Ubuntu?
[15:09] <fidelio_> yes
[15:10] <fidelio_> can i do a forced reinstallation?
[15:10] <fidelio_> or perhaps re-install only the fonts?
[15:11] <penguin42> fidelio_: When you typed ctrl-alt-f2  did you see text or blocks?
[15:11] <fidelio_> text after CTR ALt F2 i got lot numbers referreign to MAC, eth....adderesese..on top I read development branh (Hardy) TTy2..
[15:11]  * penguin42 reads back - ah text; so it is fonts in X
[15:12] <fidelio_> how do I fix this?
[15:12] <penguin42> good question
[15:12] <penguin42> can you make sure you have the ubuntu-desktop package installed?
[15:12] <fidelio_> tell me how
[15:13] <penguin42> fidelio_: From a command line, as root type   aptitude install ubuntu-desktop
[15:13] <fidelio_> let me try
[15:15] <fidelio_> i see conflicts...currently relvonging dependencies...let's see
[15:18] <fidelio_> still working
[15:18] <hischild> fidelio_, might take some time
[15:26] <MoonFog>  hey guys, quick question: i'm running hardy heron (ubuntu flavour), and i have no sound in flash movies. after looking around for a while, i found out that it might have something to do with pulseaudio, and when i did "killall pulseaudio", the sound is back. Problem now is, it still restarts every time i reboot and i can't really remove it without removing "ubuntu-desktop"
[15:27] <penguin42> MoonFog: You need to keep pulseaudio but figure out the problem
[15:27] <penguin42> MoonFog: Please check you have the libflashsupport package installed
[15:28]  * protonchris thinks we should change the channel name to pulseaudio support :)
[15:28]  * penguin42 has Flash working with pulseaudio - but I'm on 64bit with nspluginwrapper so it's probably a different problem
[15:28]  * protonchris has flash and pulseaudio working as well.
[15:28] <MoonFog> flash is working, i can view the video, but there's no sound
[15:28] <penguin42> protonchris: Yeh I think it's going to be a major set of the problems (there is a #pulseaudio on freenode)
[15:28] <MoonFog> libflashsupport is installed
[15:29] <penguin42> MoonFog: Ah then I'm out of ideas; try the #pulseaudio on freenode; they were very helpful to me yesterday
[15:29] <MoonFog> i do have two soundcards (one integrated and one sb audigy 2), but the sound is not coming out the other card either, and all the other applications are working
[15:29] <protonchris> penguin42: By the time Hardy is release all of us will become pulseaudio experts whether we like it or not.
[15:29] <MoonFog> penguin42: alright, thanks anyway!
[15:29] <Sergeant_Pony> lol
[15:29] <MoonFog> I got the impression pulseaudio was a bit of a problem from my Google searches ..
[15:29] <penguin42> protonchris: Unfortunately I think you are right
[15:30] <sooth> How do I upgrade only a single package, retaining it's 'automatically installed status'?
[15:30] <penguin42> MoonFog: It's new; unfortunately it tries to replace all the other sound systems - and as such has the potential to break everything until you figure out the right way to get them to work
[15:30] <sooth> s/it's/its
[15:31] <MoonFog> penguin42: I see..
[15:31] <penguin42> the trick seems to be to get stuff to either use pulseaudio drivers if they have them, esd if they don't have pulse, and if they are alsa or oss then use padsp or pasuspend; there is apparently also an alsa plugin that redirects audio sent via it to pulse - but I've not tried that
[15:33] <MoonFog> There were some problems with some other apps at first, but I set everything to use ALSA, and now everything works but Flash
[15:34] <protonchris> MoonFog: are you using i386 or amd64?
[15:34] <fidelio_> I am back to the root...it istalled lot's of stuff..need to reboot I guess
[15:34] <MoonFog> i386
[15:36] <guilhermee> last firefox (3.0b5) brokes my firefox instalation. i already had removed the .mozilla but nothing happens. someone had this error ?
[15:37] <MoonFog> guilhermee: What error? You're very generic there. How did it break?
[15:38] <guilhermee> MoonFog, when i try open, appears a yellow screen showing error processing the XML in the position chrome://browser/content/browser.xul
[15:39] <Sergeant_Pony> protonchris
[15:39] <guilhermee> MoonFog, line  597 column 11
[15:39] <penguin42> guilhermee: Interesting; it crashed hard on the first time b5 started for me but then worked
[15:39] <guilhermee> MoonFog, "          <label id="identity-popup-connectedToLabel2"
[15:39] <guilhermee> ----------^"
[15:39] <guilhermee> thats all
[15:39] <MoonFog> guilhermee: Hmm, haven't seen that error unfortunately
[15:39] <protonchris> Sergeant_Pony: yes?
[15:39] <MisterN> gecko! \o/
[15:39] <cvd-pr> Hey
[15:39] <guilhermee> MoonFog, everytime i tried open
[15:39] <Sergeant_Pony> protonchris: got sound working with Pulse Audio. Until I reboot
[15:40] <protonchris> Sergeant_Pony: well, that is a start
[15:40] <Sergeant_Pony> protonchris: yup. for some reason when I reboot it loses the audio info that I had setup
[15:41] <protonchris> Sergeant_Pony: what settings do you need to change?
[15:42] <guilhermee> penguin42, i also searched for any firefox instance, but "ps -A | grep firefox" returns nothing
[15:42] <guilhermee> penguin42, MoonFog suggestions? :)
[15:42] <Sergeant_Pony> I have to drop to a commandline and do a killall -9 pulseaudio and re-set it up so it uses the correct mixer etc...
[15:43] <Sergeant_Pony> protonchris: it reverts back to OSS on a reboot
[15:43] <penguin42> Sergeant_Pony: Be careful sometimes doing that I've seen gnome-power-manager suddenyl start using all memory
[15:43] <Sergeant_Pony> penguin42: ok, thanks
[15:46] <protonchris> Sergeant_Pony: I am pretty new to pulseaudio.  So I probably won't be much help.  By the way, where is the pulseaudio config stored?
[15:46] <MoonFog> guilhermee: I'm afraid not, I can't really see what the problem is. I guess you have tried rebooting and everything?
[15:46] <guilhermee> MoonFog, not yet
[15:47] <protonchris> guilhermee: try running firefox from a terminal.  See if it spits out any errors that might be more helpful.
[15:47] <Sergeant_Pony> protonchris app's > sound & video > pulse audio device chooser
[15:48] <protonchris> Sergeant_Pony: hmm.  I don't even have that chooser installed.
[15:48] <guilhermee> protonchris, anyone error returns from the terminal :-/
[15:48] <penguin42> Sergeant_Pony: How did you get to that?
[15:49] <Sergeant_Pony> I went to add /remove
[15:50] <guilhermee> MoonFog, i will reboot now, probably it can be fixed...
[15:51] <protonchris> Sergeant_Pony: take a look in your .pulse directory.  Some settings are saved there.  I would compare the files before and after you do your killall/chooser stuff.
[15:52] <Sergeant_Pony> protonchris: ok... why would it change on a reboot tho?
[15:53] <protonchris> Sergeant_Pony: well I am curious if the chooser changes the config or just restarts pulseaudio with command line options.
[15:53] <protonchris> Sergeant_Pony: also, I am not sure where the chooser saves its config.
[15:53] <penguin42> Sergeant_Pony: Interesting; It looks like padevchooser and paman and friends could all do with being installed by default
[15:54] <sluimers> hello, my network USB adapter doesn't work
[15:54] <protonchris> Sergeant_Pony: Anyway, that is just a suggestion.  I am thinking maybe the chooser saves its config in .gconf perhaps.
[15:54] <Sergeant_Pony> protonchris: if I do the commandsfrom a console I can then go into pulse audio on the desktop and pull up the correct info/setup that I need.
[15:55] <sluimers> I thought it might work in heron, becuase someone got a similair product working after upgrading to heron
[15:55] <guilhermee> the error persist
[15:55] <sluimers> but.. it still doesn't work
[15:55] <guilhermee> :(
[15:56] <MoonFog> guilhermee: Sorry man, don't really know what to tell you, I haven't seen that error myself
[15:57] <protonchris> guilhermee: I assume that you removed your .mozilla settings directory?
[15:57] <guilhermee> MoonFog, thanks by interest :)
[15:58] <guilhermee> protonchris, yes
[15:58] <penguin42> paman looks very good (pretty interface to pacmd)
[15:58] <TheGentleman> Using kubuntu 8.04 beta as a live CD.  I can't have Administator Mode work in System Settings.  Can anyone help ?
[15:59] <jimiridge> su
[15:59] <guilhermee> MoonFog, can i load firefox without extensions ?
[15:59] <jimiridge> ?
[16:00] <protonchris> guilhermee: try running firefox -safemode from a terminal
[16:00] <TheGentleman> no
[16:01]  * penguin42 wonders where to suggest that paman gets added as a default install - it might make pa debuggable
[16:01] <guilhermee> protonchris, continues..
[16:01] <protonchris> penguin42: you could talk to the guys in #ubuntu-devel since pulseaudio is in main
[16:01] <guilhermee> prometheus, i will reinstall
[16:02] <MoonFog> guilhermee: What jimiridge said. I have to leave now, so I can't help anymore unfortunately.
[16:02] <guilhermee> jimiridge, sorry ?
[16:03] <penguin42> protonchris: Lets see how far I get :-)
[16:03] <protonchris> guilhermee: you could try to uninstall/reinstall firefox
[16:03] <kumarphilly> reformat?
[16:03] <kumarphilly> thats te solution to every problem after an install eh?
[16:04] <protonchris> kumarphilly: what are you talking about?
[16:05] <jimiridge> i wonder why one would be playing with admin features on the livecd, unless your installing
[16:05] <kumarphilly> oops wrong box
[16:05] <jimiridge> what firefox wont start?
[16:05] <kumarphilly> disregard wat i said;-)
[16:06] <guilhermee> jimiridge, 3.0b5
[16:06] <jimiridge> try removing the ~/.firefiox/*
[16:06] <jimiridge> works fine for me though
[16:06] <orvokki> Works for me too.
[16:06] <jimiridge> occasional crash here and there but livable
[16:07] <guilhermee> jimiridge, there aren't any directory with this name... only .mozilla
[16:07] <jimiridge> well yea
[16:07] <jimiridge> ~/.mozilla-firefox or somethin
[16:07] <guilhermee> jimiridge, but i already removed
[16:07] <jimiridge> gonna loose your bookmarks though
[16:08] <guilhermee> jimiridge, i made a backup :)
[16:08] <jimiridge> ok what kinda errors do you get running firefox from cmdline?
[16:08] <jimiridge> feel free to pastebin your output <might need to install "pastebinit"
[16:08] <jimiridge> cmdline pastebin tool
[16:09] <guilhermee> jimiridge, anyone, only appears this yellow screen showing error in the XML file
[16:09] <guilhermee> jimiridge, in chrome://browser/content/browser.xul
[16:09] <jimiridge> ?
[16:10] <jimiridge> aptitude reinstall firefox
[16:10] <protonchris> penguin42: tough sell since we are so close to a release.
[16:11] <guilhermee> jimiridge, i purged and installed, but nothing happens
[16:11] <jimiridge> well i guess your just screwed then
[16:11] <guilhermee> jimiridge, i don't know what i need to do more
[16:11] <jimiridge> maybe try installing firefox-2
[16:12] <penguin42> protonchris: Yeh, I guess it's a case of just asking people to install it as the first thing when they have problems
[16:12] <penguin42> The one sound problem I still have is that in Flash the volume control is very very erratic
[16:13] <guilhermee> jimiridge, ok
[16:13] <Leeuw> I have problem: "failed to initialise HAL" after latest updates; ie nothing works, no audio, no shutdown, not even network (am on windoze now -yugh)
[16:13] <guilhermee> jimiridge, im downloading
[16:15] <guilhermee> jimiridge, interesting... firefox 2 opens correctly
[16:15] <penguin42> guilhermee: Have you ever previously tried ff3?
[16:15] <guilhermee> penguin42, yeah, firefox 3.0 beta 5
[16:15] <jimiridge> hey picard
[16:16] <picard_pwns_kirk> I have ccsm installed, but I can't enable custom effects in the effects menu
[16:16] <penguin42> guilhermee: Yeh but before this release had you ever tried it ages ago?
[16:17] <guilhermee> penguin42, yes! in firefox 3.0 beta 4 everything works great
[16:17] <penguin42> guilhermee: Ah OK
[16:17] <os2mac_> anyone around that can help with dual head video setup issues?
[16:17] <jimiridge> picard_pwns_kirk, compiz --replace -c emerald  ? does that do anything usefull
[16:17] <guilhermee> penguin42, but today when i updated occuried it
[16:17] <penguin42> b5 seems more stable than b4 for me - except the first update from 4 to 5 where it crashed
[16:18] <guilhermee> penguin42, what you did before it crashed ?
[16:18] <penguin42> has anyone got problems running the 'gl-desktop' preferences dialogue - it crashes reliably for me
[16:18] <guilhermee> only did the update ?
[16:18] <penguin42> guilhermee: Yeh, it was just the first run after the update that crashed for me
[16:19] <Leeuw> os2mac I have been spending quite some time lately on that stuff; even triple head; could get dual to work in several ways, triple still trying; whatś yer problam ?
[16:19] <Leeuw> os2mac_, I have been spending quite some time lately on that stuff; even triple head; could get dual to work in several ways, triple still trying; whatś yer problam ?
[16:20] <guilhermee> penguin42, so strange...
[16:20] <penguin42> guilhermee: Yeh, although at least b5 seems to be happier about Flash than b4
[16:21] <heartsblood> why have I lost my home icon in Firefox 3?
[16:21] <penguin42> heartsblood: Damn good question; I see the same here
[16:21] <orvokki> Good question. I hadn't noticed it earlier.
[16:21] <lusepuster> why are all my updatable packages held back?
[16:22] <orvokki> heartsblood, penguin42:You can add it back though.
[16:22] <Leeuw> just testing: am I online ?   please respond...
[16:22] <cvd-pr> configure: error: *** GTK+ >= 1.2.2 not installed - please install first ***
[16:22] <heartsblood> orvokki, yea i'm looking for that option now.
[16:22] <cvd-pr> i have to download the libgtk-dev?
[16:22] <orvokki> Leeuw: No, you're not. We're just imaginary beings in your head.
[16:22] <penguin42> orvokki: How?
[16:22] <guilhermee> penguin42, u use flashplugin-nonfree or gflash (i think is that name) ?
[16:22] <Leeuw> orvokki, thanx, thatś the right answer.. 42 !
[16:22] <orvokki> penguin42: Right click beside help and then customize.
[16:23] <penguin42> guilhermee: nonfree with nspluginwrapper on 64bit
[16:23] <Leeuw> then why doesn't os2mac respond ?   I may have answerz...
[16:23] <heartsblood> found it
[16:23] <heartsblood> why was it removed?  Seems like a strange plan
[16:23] <orvokki> I don't know.
[16:23] <KNY> what do you guys recommend for running virtual machines on 8.04? (since vmware server doesn't work on the new kernel)
[16:23] <guilhermee> penguin42, uhm, i use it too
[16:23] <Leeuw> os2mac doesn't gettit (sorry, not polite) ;-)
[16:23] <penguin42> orvokki: Thanks! I didn't even know there was a right click menu there!
[16:24] <guilhermee> penguin42, actually is impossible to navigate without flash :(
[16:24] <daekdroom> KNY: Virtual Box.
[16:24] <orvokki> penguin42: Magic. ^^
[16:24] <KNY> daekdroom, I'll look into it, thanks. Can it play existing vmware images?
[16:25] <daekdroom> KNY: Not that I know of.
[16:25] <penguin42> virtualbox is not bad; can't do 64 bit guests I don't think though
[16:25] <Leeuw> back to me: anyone have a clue to "failed to initialise HAL" after latest updates ?   is annoying: nothing works, forced me to reinstall; is there other way ?
[16:25] <KNY> I assume it can do 64 bit hosts, though?
[16:26] <jimiridge> whoever made the topic is a genius
[16:26] <Trewas> heartsblood: "home" is on the bookmarks toolbar by default now
[16:26] <romulo> hi there, im always getting crahes (cpu stuck and lots of backtracing http://www.timestopstudios.org/errors.txt) after i close my laptop lid or even let the computer stopped for some time, is there common or its hapenning only with me?
[16:26] <cvd-pr> any know how to make ubuntu always remeber de monitor setting video cards etc..?
[16:26] <KNY> I still think this channel should be #ubuntu++
[16:27] <penguin42> KNY: Yeh 64bit hosts works fine; haven't tried on the latest update
[16:27] <guilhermee> penguin42, how can i setup firefox 2 as default ?
[16:27] <orvokki> KNY: Considering this is shut down just after release, I think #ubuntu+1 is appropriate.
[16:27] <KNY> penguin42, I'll give it a shot, thanks
[16:27] <recon69> anyone else having trouble with setting-daemon when nvidia restricted driver enabled?
[16:28] <michael__> hey if i update to heron will i have to everything for my wireless card again ?
[16:28] <romulo> michael__, what you mean?
[16:28] <protonchris> michael__: which wireless card?
[16:29] <michael__> well my wireless card is of the bcm43xx chipset and doesnt work stock if i update from gutsy to hardy will i have to go through fixing to work all over again ?
[16:29] <wers> when is gutsy supposed to be out? :)
[16:29] <KNY> last year :)
[16:29] <recon69> michael__ well as it's bata and changing ever couple of hours you can have no guaranties.
[16:29] <romulo> michael__, mines work very good with hardy
[16:29] <wers> sorry
[16:29] <romulo> better than gutsy
[16:29] <wers> hahaha
[16:29] <BIOSboiler> hey
[16:29] <KNY> wers, hardy is 4/26 I believe
[16:29] <romulo> bcm4318
[16:30] <BIOSboiler> whats up matrix dudes
[16:30] <michael__> thats what im running romulo
[16:30] <BIOSboiler> so does the new 8.0 have better suppor tfor wireless cards?
[16:30] <wers> thanks for knowinng what  imean, KNY :DD
[16:30] <rsk> BIOSboiler: yes.
[16:30] <orvokki> Egh, more matrices? Don't even mention them. :/
[16:30] <KNY> wers, no problem
[16:30] <michael__> ill bbl im going to get some grub haha
[16:30] <indoultimate> well ithink hardy will be better for hardware with 2 or more year old than gutsy....
[16:30] <BIOSboiler> i have a latitude d420
[16:30] <BIOSboiler> and the 7.1 cant detect my wireless card
[16:31] <BIOSboiler> do u think 8.0 will detect a wireless card for a dell latitude d420?
[16:31] <BIOSboiler> im running postfix, dovecot
[16:31] <BIOSboiler> i love postfix
[16:31] <BIOSboiler> sweet mta
[16:32] <boris> BIOSboiler: use the live CD to see if it supports wireless
[16:32] <BIOSboiler> MS exchange sux
[16:32] <recon69> BIOSboiler: I upgraded from 6.06 to get my wireless encryption working, still had to use ndistwrapper and set it up myself
[16:32] <BIOSboiler> recon what type of laptop do u have?
[16:32] <orvokki> recon69: What's the wireless chipset, btw?
[16:32] <jimiridge> http://i32.tinypic.com/fm56jd.png
[16:32] <rsk> hm
[16:32] <recon69> on the plus side it then did actually work, used r61 driver i think
[16:33] <BIOSboiler> does anyone in here have a dell latitude d420 , it a super tiny laptop, no cd-rom drive
[16:33] <rsk> BIOSboiler: http://www.laisseznousvivre.com/ubuntu_on_delld420.htm
[16:33] <Luckrider> no, but it sounds like the IBM/Lenovo x-series laptops
[16:33] <recon69> BIOSboiler: why dont you make a live cd and see how well it works
[16:33] <BIOSboiler> if i download 8.0 beta, will i have to reinstall it when the official release comes out?.
[16:34] <penguin42> BIOSboiler: No
[16:34] <boris> BIOSboiler: if it doesnt have a cdrom drive, how did you install ubuntu ?
[16:34] <rsk> BIOSboiler: no
[16:34] <penguin42> BIOSboiler: Just update
[16:34] <jimiridge> wow amazing they come through in waves saying the same thing
[16:34] <Leeuw> anyone any clue to "failed to initialise HAL" after latest updates ?
[16:34] <protonchris> BIOSboiler: No, but remember hardy is beta right now and you are bound to have problems.
[16:34] <recon69> my wirelless card is a edimax  RT2561st
[16:34] <recon69> model ew-7128g
[16:35] <orvokki> protonchris: I'm not having any problems. Should I make a complaint? ;>
[16:35] <BIOSboiler> boris -  it has a external usb cd-rom
[16:35] <Leeuw> orvokki, yes !
[16:36] <recon69> anyone running nvidia restricted drivers?
[16:36] <protonchris> orvokki: No, but I prefer is someone expects to have problems and doesn't as apposed to the other way around :)
[16:36]  * jimiridge will drink to that
[16:36] <Leeuw> protonchris, =true + wize
[16:36] <penguin42> orvokki: Probably you need to switch to sid then
[16:37] <nekostar> turns out i have the k3b wont burn bug- which boils down to must set k3b to burn at slow speed or it just wont
[16:37] <orvokki> Been there, done that. It was fun, for a while.
[16:37] <nekostar> burn // anyone else got that goin?
[16:37] <nekostar> or a fix?
[16:37] <KNY> when installing virtualbox, which kernel modules do I want? -server, -rt, -openvz, or -generic?
[16:37] <protonchris> penguin42 and orvokki: don't stop at sid, go experimental
[16:37] <penguin42> protonchris: experimental is less stable than sid? Wow....
[16:38] <orvokki> protonchris: I've been at Gentoo experimental. Would that be bleeding-edge enough?
[16:38] <penguin42> KNY: They should match whichever kernel you are running
[16:38] <protonchris> orvokki: well, you get bonus points for sitting around compiling things all the time ;)
[16:38] <KNY> ahh, uname -r
[16:38] <KNY> thanks, penguin42
[16:39] <nekostar> dpkg> i guess sid is the <unstable> version of Debian.  It's named for the destructive neighbour kid in Toy Story.  It is NOT an acronym, but is sometimes backronymed Still In Development anyway.  Ask me about <unstable>.  Do not use sid unless you have the skill to find your way out of the mess that broken packages may put you in.  It will never be released.  See <sid faq>"
[16:39] <orvokki> protonchris: Meh, modern CPU's can compile fast enough.
 [unstable] the status of a Debian release when packages can be added to the system at any time that might disrupt the integrity of the whole system! Ask me about <break>. Not supported here, in general. It's also newspeak for not stable. If you have to ask whether you should use it or how, you shouldn't. apt-get install apt-listbugs (!) See <testing>, <sid>, <sid faq>.
[16:39] <orvokki> :P
[16:40] <lusepuster> The system update can't seem to veryfi my packages for an upgrade, why is that?
[16:40] <protonchris> orvokki: Well, when I tried it, my install/compile took a couple of days.
[16:40] <AR`Neatchee> Ok this might sound ridiculous...but my audio is playing...too fast.  In everything except the GDM ready sound.  Flash, login, Totem, you name it.  Everything.
[16:41] <AR`Neatchee> In sound config, pulseaudio test button plays a higher pitch than ALSA
[16:41] <orvokki> protonchris: An hour or two for a desktop Gentoo for me.
[16:41] <orvokki> protonchris: Never *ever* compile OOo though unless you're a packager. :P
[16:41] <penguin42> orvokki: And another year for an OOo build?
[16:41] <penguin42> haha
[16:41] <nekostar> bah
[16:41] <nekostar> 45 min
[16:41] <orvokki> Even Gentoo users usually use a binary version for OOo.
[16:41] <dotech> don't you love bootstrapping your own system?
[16:41] <jimiridge> i compiled OO and firefox when i was on gentoo
[16:41] <protonchris> orvokki: I started barebones, compiled everything and then compiled kde ......
[16:41] <nekostar> os[Linux 2.6.24-14-generic - Debian lenny/sid - Ubuntu DISTRIB_ID=Ubuntu ( http://www.ubuntu.com )] | up[2 days, 6 hours, 28 minutes] | cpu[Intel(R) Core(TM)2 Quad CPU    Q6600  @ 2.40GHz SMP (4 processors), 2400.033 MHz (19204.44 bogomips)] | chipset[Intel Corporation 82G33/G31/P35/P31 Express DRAM Controller (rev 02)] | video[nVidia Corporation GeForce 8600 GT (rev a1) at 1680x1050 (32 bits)] | opengl[GeForce 8600 GT/PCI/SSE2 powered by NV
[16:41] <nekostar> IDIA Corporation with driver 2.1.2 NVIDIA 169.12] | xchat[Version: 2.8.4] | [sysinfo-dg 1.1-DocTrax_1.46]
[16:41] <nekostar> :>
[16:41] <dotech> i was sad the day they removed stage 1.
[16:42] <orvokki> nekostar: Hey, don't flood. :)
[16:42] <nekostar> orvokki: hey two lines arnt a flood
[16:42] <dotech> that was 6 on my screen :)
[16:42] <orvokki> nekostar: Your two lines compose a screenfull of text on my screen.
[16:42] <nekostar> look at how many nekostars there are :P
[16:42] <nekostar> two
[16:42] <nekostar> ^^
[16:43] <recon69> anyone running nvidia restricted drivers?
[16:43] <dotech> recon69, i am
[16:43] <Leeuw> 7 on mine
[16:43] <orvokki> It's irrelevant, you have huge amount of text in them.
[16:43] <nekostar> i recommend sending suggestions to irc devs
[16:43] <Leeuw> ;-)
[16:43] <nekostar> its up to them on how long lines are allowed to be
[16:43] <recon69> dotech: does you gnome-setting-daemon crash like mine?
[16:43] <orvokki> Yeah, let's reimplement IRC so nekostar can only send messages at size at most 128 bytes. :P
[16:43] <axisys> how do I get the mplayer plugin work with ff3b5 ?
[16:43] <dotech> recon69, i haven't see that one crash
[16:43] <Leeuw> don't mind little me, new entries: anyone any clue to "failed to initialise HAL" after latest updates ?
[16:44] <dotech> seen*
[16:44] <recon69> dotech: cause it crashes on start when i enable nvidia restricted drivers
[16:44] <axisys> it was working fine until the last update about ff and mplayer
[16:44] <asdrubal> when do you guys think 8.04 will come out?
[16:44] <axisys> asdrubal: in 20 or so days
[16:45] <orvokki> nekostar: Write long lines if you will but that computer specs was just complete junk and useless information. Only flood my irssi for a good reason. ;>
[16:45] <nekostar> !release
[16:45] <ubotu> Ubuntu releases a new version every 6 months. Each version is supported for 18 months to 5 years. More info at http://www.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/releases & http://wiki.ubuntu.com/TimeBasedReleases
[16:45] <Leeuw> 14 dayz
[16:45] <protonchris> asdrubal: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/HardyReleaseSchedule
[16:45] <dotech> recon69, i would check launchpad for an existing bug, i haven't had that happen and i have 2 nvidia cards
[16:45] <orvokki> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/HardyReleaseSchedule
[16:45] <orvokki> Oops, sorry. :)
[16:45] <asdrubal> april 24th
[16:46] <Leeuw> orvokki, yer right, 18 dayz, sorry
[16:46] <orvokki> Will probably be stable enough for most on the 17th of April though.
[16:46] <axisys> how do I get the mplayer plugin work with ff3b5 ?
[16:46] <axisys> it was working fine until the last update about ff and mplayer
[16:46] <Leeuw> orvokki, I mean asdruba1
[16:46] <Leeuw> dyslexia
[16:46] <orvokki> That is, when the Release Candidate is out.
[16:47] <asdrubal> How is the new sound server in ubuntu?
[16:47] <Leeuw> loud !
[16:47] <orvokki> PulseAudio? Just fine.
[16:47] <asdrubal> Will the new sound server use multiple hardware channels like on my emu10k1?
[16:47] <asdrubal> or will it mix it all through one channel
[16:47] <orvokki> I couldn't find sound volume control packages though.
[16:47] <orvokki> PulseAudio is supposed to have its own volume control.
[16:48] <bdker> When Hardy Heron is released, can people using beta upgrade to it without having to reinstall?
[16:48] <asdrubal> I know
[16:48] <asdrubal> but will it use my multiple hardware channels
[16:48] <dotech> pulseaudio is working great for me now, the only problem is that pavucontrol's settings are not persistent across reboots
[16:48] <orvokki> bdker: Should be possible.
[16:48] <bazhang> bdker: yes
[16:48] <dotech> bdker, yes
[16:48] <protonchris> asdrubal: Well if this channel is any indication, pulseaudio is a common problem currently.
[16:48] <Sergeant_Pony> dotech
[16:48] <dotech> Sergeant_Pony
[16:49] <bdker> Thank you.
[16:49] <asdrubal> prometheus, nod
[16:49] <orvokki> Afaik PulseAudio is mostly a software abstraction layer on top of ALSA:
[16:49] <orvokki> s/:/./
[16:49] <cvd-pr> anyone know how to include alsa support in a ./configure?
[16:49] <dotech> orvokki, yeah basically
[16:49] <AR`Neatchee> orvokki:  I've come to the conclusion that pulseaudio is bad.
[16:50] <protonchris> cvd-pr: try ./configure --help to see what options are available
[16:50] <asdrubal> So if I have a good sound card, pulse audio won't take advantage of it all
[16:50] <orvokki> AR`Neatchee: Again, Works For Me (tm).
[16:50] <asdrubal> pulse audio will always assume I only have one hardware channel, thereby degrading sound quality
[16:50] <AR`Neatchee> It's the source of the firefox crashes with flash (see bug #192888)
[16:50] <ubotu> Launchpad bug 192888 in pulseaudio "firefox crashes on flash contents" [Undecided,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/192888
[16:50] <dotech> pulseaudio is good imho, the only downside is that some of its packages aren't quite ready for prime time
[16:50] <AR`Neatchee> and currently pulseaudio is speeding all my audio
[16:51] <AR`Neatchee> orvokki, currently, the pulseaudio test tone in sound config plays a higher pitch than when i test with ALSA
[16:51] <Leeuw> pleas xplain imho ?
[16:51] <TheGentleman> Using kubuntu 8.04 beta as a Live cd.  I'm not able to set Administator Mode in System Settings.  When i click the button the frame turn red for a second and than back to previous color.
[16:51] <penguin42> I seem to have almost everything working with pulseaudio; it's taken a day or so
[16:51] <AR`Neatchee> orvokki, which is ridiculous.  I don't even understand how that could happen.
[16:51] <orvokki> Luckily you can nowadays usually bypass PulseAudio and use ALSA if you are having problems without shutting down PulseAudio.
[16:51] <orvokki> The difference for me is volume levels when I do that.
[16:52] <decherdt> When should ndiswrapper load? on boot load = no wlan0, rmmod and modprobe at desktop then  it works, Dapper works on boot.
[16:52] <dotech> my problem with pulseaudio right now is that none of the settings are persistent
[16:52] <orvokki> Right.
[16:52] <dotech> volume levels, default devices, etc, they all revert
[16:52] <cvd-pr>  --with-alsa-prefix=PFX  Prefix where Alsa library is installed(optional)
[16:52] <cvd-pr>   --with-alsa-inc-prefix=PFX  Prefix where include libraries are (optional)
[16:52] <orvokki> dotech: Which package did you install to even get those?
[16:52] <cvd-pr> ?
[16:52] <axisys> how do I get the mplayer plugin to work with FF 3 b5 ?
[16:52] <Leeuw> in my humble opinion; never mind; google is faster than you guyz/girlz
[16:53] <axisys> firefox 3 beta 5 that is
[16:53] <orvokki> dotech: I'm only using ALSA sound volume controls atm.
[16:53] <dotech> orvokki, you need to get the pulseaudio related packages, i'll get a list one sec
[16:53] <AR`Neatchee> orvokki, wanna help me bypass pulseaudio for my entire system? :D
[16:53] <orvokki> axisys: By waiting. It might run if you disable compatibility check.
[16:53] <orvokki> AR`Neatchee: Egh, no. :P
[16:54] <AR`Neatchee> :'(
[16:54] <orvokki> Or, maybbe.
[16:54] <axisys> orvokki: i just got the update an hr ago for ff 3 b5 and mplayer
[16:54] <orvokki> AR`Neatchee: Do you have Gnome?
[16:54] <dotech> orvokki, paman padevchooser paprefs pavucontrol pavumeter pulseaudio-utils
[16:54] <AR`Neatchee> orvokki, yes
[16:54] <axisys> orvokki: should i have not accept that upgrade?
[16:54] <orvokki> AR`Neatchee: Try System->Preferences->Sound.
[16:54] <orvokki> AR`Neatchee: Then change devices from Autodetect to ALSA:
[16:55] <orvokki> Gah, I always typo the . after ALSA.
[16:55] <axisys> orvokki: also how do I disable compatibility check?
[16:55] <AR`Neatchee> orvokki, tried.  FF3 still has the sped-up-sound issue
[16:55] <protonchris> cvd-pr: you need to input where the necessary alsa file are.
[16:55] <dotech> orvokki, those tools add the ability to set the volume levels, devices, and basicalyl anything else pulseaudio can do
[16:55] <orvokki> http://lifehacker.com/355973/make-your-extensions-work-with-the-firefox-3-beta
[16:55] <AR`Neatchee> which i'm assuming means it's still using either pulseaudio or OSS (since both pulseaudio and OSS test tone's in system->preferences->sound are a higher pitch than the alsa test tone)
[16:55] <dotech> you will see an icon in the top right near the speaker that controls all of those subtools
[16:55] <cvd-pr> i dont know where they are
[16:55] <e-r_c_e> hello, i'd like to "remind" ya on my bug: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/compiz/+bug/212880
[16:55] <e-r_c_e> :\
[16:56] <TheGentleman> Using kubuntu 8.04 beta as a Live cd.  I'm not able to set Administator Mode in System Settings.  When I click the button, the frame turns red for a second and than back to the previous and I do not have Admin privileges! color.
[16:56] <orvokki> AR`Neatchee: FF3 shouldn't have a music player itself. You'd have to tell the music player it uses as a plugin that you want ALSA. I have no idea how to do that.
[16:56] <AR`Neatchee> orvokki:  that'd be flash
[16:56] <dotech> orvokki, you can set that in these tools
[16:56] <dotech> you can move the stream to a different sink
[16:56] <e-r_c_e> my bug: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/compiz/+bug/212880
[16:56] <ubotu> Launchpad bug 212880 in compiz "[HARDY] compiz.real crashed with SIGSEGV" [Undecided,New]
[16:58] <orvokki> dotech: I dunno what's a sink.
[16:59] <protonchris> cvd-pr: you probably need libasound2-dev installed and then the files are probably in /usr/include/alsa and /usr/lib/
[16:59] <jimiridge> the thing you wash your hands in
[16:59] <e-r_c_e> is soap
[16:59] <e-r_c_e> :P
[16:59] <jimiridge> lavate las manos
[17:01] <os2mac_> leeuw I was AFK
[17:01] <cvd-pr> what is libogg.a , liboog.la liboog.so ?
[17:01] <cvd-pr> .a .la .so
[17:01] <dotech> orvokki, a sink is the term used to abstract a place to dump audio, i.e. a sound card or some other abstraction
[17:01] <os2mac_> I can't get it to remain set after I log off.
[17:02] <jimiridge> http://youtube.com/watch?v=hWeJ4GE_tRs
[17:02] <jimiridge> heh
[17:02] <protonchris> cvd-pr: http://www.netfort.gr.jp/~dancer/column/libpkg-guide/libpkg-guide.html#id249952
[17:02] <e-r_c_e> jimiridge, LMAO
[17:04] <Zeit|awy> jimiridge: was away.. now: seems it detects the internal IDE hd and DVD, then starts SCSI and matches the IDE devices to scsi and the IDE-DVD --> sda.. and then cannot find the CDROM any more
[17:04] <nekostar> damn
[17:04] <nekostar> i gotta say
[17:04] <nekostar> ff3 is great
[17:05] <nekostar> reminds me of when it was still fast :P
[17:05] <cvd-pr> so i put in the ./configure  the user/include/ogg or the user/lib/libogg?
[17:05] <penguin42> nekostar: It seems ok; especially b5 now that my nspluginwrapper works again
[17:05] <nekostar> niiiiiiiiiice
[17:05] <nekostar> ^_^
[17:05] <nekostar> i'm excited
[17:06] <nekostar> every year i get more excited
[17:06] <penguin42> that's nice
[17:06] <nekostar> i'd say that linux, at this point is a good alternative to windows for probably 30% of people
[17:06] <Howdy125> I had problems with some web page images not showing in ff3 so I went back to ff2 for now.
[17:06] <nekostar> meaning without knowing anything etc
[17:07] <jimiridge> Zeit|awy, sounds like a BIOS issue
[17:07] <protonchris> cvd-pr: potentially both.
[17:07] <Zeit|awy> scsi 2:0:0:0: Direct access ATA .. (hd)
[17:07] <dotech> nekostar, that is if you're lucky enough to have hardware that doesn't require a single tweak
[17:07] <Zeit|awy> scsi 3:0:0:0: CDROM .. (DVD)
[17:07] <jimiridge> Zeit|awy,  check bios's SATA settings tweak em
[17:07] <nekostar> dotech an awful lot of hardware doesnt
[17:07] <eduardo> hey jimi
[17:07] <dotech> yea, but it only takes 1 thing
[17:08] <Zeit|awy> no SATA
[17:08] <nekostar> lol
[17:08] <nekostar> like that?
[17:08] <nekostar> \:
[17:08] <dotech> yep
[17:08] <Zeit|awy> on board dual-Adaptec and IDE
[17:08] <jimiridge> tell me what transpires from that
[17:08] <nekostar> eventually i'll get to learning some coding and help write some simple front ends
[17:08] <dotech> Zeit|awy, run your SATA ports as AHCI in the bios
[17:08] <nekostar> till some better stuff comes out
[17:08] <dotech> or, not because you dont have sata haha
[17:09] <Zeit|awy> this machine has _no_ SATA.. ^^
[17:09] <dotech> yes, my misread
[17:09] <jimiridge> hi eduardo
[17:09] <jimiridge> well still Zeit|awy checkout the bios and make some tweaks anyway
[17:09] <dotech> nekostar, i already know coding and there's just not enough time, when there's 200,000+ bugs there's too much to fix first
[17:10] <nekostar> dotech ive not enough time atm either
[17:10] <nekostar> and besides first i gotta learn a lot more stuff lol
[17:10] <Zeit|awy> I might disable the onboard SCSI and hope it will later find it again.. hmm..
[17:10] <cvd-pr> command to clean make?
[17:10] <dotech> i do fix things that are really annoying though, such as the volume control not saving its settings
[17:10] <nekostar> cvd-pr sudo make clean
[17:10] <dotech> i can fix that in an hour or so, so i'll just do it
[17:10] <eduardo> I have a nasty bug, I'm getting random kernel panics
[17:10] <nekostar> well dotech thanx ^^
[17:10] <jimiridge> make clean
[17:10] <jimiridge> :P
[17:11] <nekostar> eduardo look at system log?
[17:11] <protonchris> eduardo: are you using any restricted drivers?
[17:11] <dotech> nekostar, the funny thign is that only I seem to be having that problem, the PA developers have never heard of it
[17:11] <nekostar> see anything in thar?
[17:11] <eduardo> i just reinstalled heron, and im still having the same issue
[17:11] <dotech> actually Sergeant_Pony is having the issue too
[17:11] <stefg> eduardo: overclocked system?
[17:11] <nekostar> dotech i actually deleted that thing
[17:11] <jimiridge> what'd you break this time edward?
[17:11] <dotech> nekostar, i want to use it because thats what most people will be doing
[17:11] <dotech> im running the beta so i can help make it better
[17:12] <nekostar> well i had my install in one box and moved the hdd
[17:12] <nekostar> its just now that i get kinda clean one
[17:12] <eduardo> jimiridge, anything, I just made a fresh hardy install and im still getting this random freezes
[17:12] <nekostar> with all the reconfigging
[17:12] <nekostar> really was gonna do it but i'm lazy :P
[17:12] <e-r_c_e> damn this reso
[17:12] <e-r_c_e> i'm
[17:12] <e-r_c_e> gonna
[17:12] <dotech> haha
[17:12] <e-r_c_e> crazy
[17:12] <nekostar> well
[17:12] <nekostar> seems to be working now
[17:12] <jimiridge> well i cant help ya i'd have to be there
[17:12] <nekostar> e-r_c_e open terminal: sudo dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg
[17:13] <e-r_c_e> nekostar, ok
[17:13] <jimiridge> and i'm gonna go to bed now cause you all drain me
[17:13] <stefg> eduardo: are you 110% sure that it is not a hardware problem? like bad ram or too much overclocking
[17:13] <protonchris> eduardo: are you using any restricted drivers?
[17:13] <jimiridge> he uses nvidia
[17:14] <nekostar> which card
[17:14] <protonchris> I would switch to a free driver and see if the freezing still happens.
[17:14] <jimiridge> a dmesg tail would help too
[17:14] <jimiridge> last i checked ubuntu keeps logs of dmesg
[17:15] <TexJoachim> hi! is there a rc of hardy, or is it still in beta?
[17:15] <jimiridge> /var/log/
[17:15] <e-r_c_e> bbl, restart X
[17:15] <e-r_c_e> :P
[17:15] <protonchris> TexJoachim: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/HardyReleaseSchedule
[17:15] <ader10> http://brainstorm.ubuntu.com/idea/2328/
[17:15] <jimiridge> 18 days
[17:16] <eduardo> protonchris, I use nvidia fx5200
[17:16] <nekostar> eduardo : /exec -o dpkg -l | grep nvidia
[17:16] <protonchris> eduardo: switch to a free driver and see what happens. You will probably have to live without 3D accel during the testing.
[17:16] <jimiridge> oh god no
[17:17] <eduardo> lol
[17:17] <TexJoachim> protonchris: zhx!
[17:17] <jimiridge> i'm tired
[17:17] <Stroganoff> has ANYONE ever tried xdm with hardy?
[17:17] <jimiridge> i've installed fluxbox on hardt
[17:17] <protonchris> Stroganoff: not I.  I use gdm.
[17:17] <eduardo> protonchris, I just reinstalled heron, I dont have any 3d accel
[17:18] <Stroganoff> is hardy based on debian unstable?
[17:18] <akk> Stroganoff: macogw was here a few days ago trying xdm, and it wasn't working at all
[17:18] <Zeit|awy> disabled scsi, no luck, still drops out, so no Ubuntu 8 on this machine.. *sigh*
[17:18] <jimiridge> i wouldnt mind seeing a dmesg log via pastebin edward
[17:18] <Stroganoff> akk: its working for me expept the font sizes are fixed (huge) so all themes are borken
[17:18] <protonchris> eduardo: ok.  Then try looking in your logs (/var/log)
[17:18] <vega--_> Stroganoff: every ubuntu version is, afaik
[17:18] <akk> Stroganoff: It was filling maco's terminal with unprintable characters
[17:18] <nekostar> Debian lenny/sid
[17:18] <eduardo> protonchris, im looking at my logs, but I cant find anything
[17:19] <Stroganoff> akk: but he hasnt filed u bug report?
[17:19] <jaffarkelshac> my firefox keeps crashing on youtube, how can i fix it
[17:19] <Stroganoff> like mine: 210830
[17:19] <Stroganoff> bug 210830
[17:19] <ubotu> Launchpad bug 210830 in xdm "[hardy] XDM: huge font size" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/210830
[17:19] <jimiridge> what happened to gutsy edward? i thought you decided to go back to stable?
[17:19] <e_r_c_e> jimiridge, IT WORKED
[17:19] <e_r_c_e> THX
[17:19] <stefg> jaffarkelshac: by sending an email to adobes flash-devs and complaining bitterly :-)
[17:19] <jimiridge> what worked?
[17:19] <akk> Stroganoff: I'm not sure what she ended up doing
[17:20] <jimiridge> i dont remember giving you any advise
[17:20] <protonchris> jimiridge: well, you are just *that* good :)
[17:20] <eduardo> jimiridge, i installed hardy again, I thought I had a bug or somehting, but now idk whats going on, I mean i just made a fresh install
[17:20] <jaffarkelshac> haha, stefg that would not helo much at the moment
[17:20] <nekostar> jimiridge dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg i think
[17:20] <nekostar> lol
[17:21] <jimiridge> i didnt tell him that
[17:21] <protonchris> eduardo: are all of your packages up to date?
[17:21] <eduardo> im updating and upgrading atm
[17:21] <stefg> jaffarkelshac: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/flashplugin-nonfree/+bug/202036
[17:21] <ubotu> Launchpad bug 202036 in flashplugin-nonfree "[Hardy] Macromedia Flash slow start/crash" [Undecided,Incomplete]
[17:21] <jimiridge> but it sounds like something i would say considering i've been fartingwith this darn OS for ages
[17:21] <nekostar> jimiridge i did lol
[17:22] <jimiridge> seriously once this beer is gone i'm going to sleep
[17:22] <jimiridge> Sun Apr  6 12:22:42 EDT 2008
[17:22] <cvd-pr> can some look at this and tell me was the problem?  http://pastebin.ubuntu.com/6522/
[17:23] <nekostar> lol
[17:23] <eduardo> yeah jimi, go take some rest
[17:23] <nekostar> good plan man
[17:23] <nekostar> dont wear yourself out
[17:23] <eduardo> i bet i drive u crazy lol
[17:23] <stefg> jaffarkelshac: http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=711080
[17:23] <jaffarkelshac> cheers
[17:23] <jimiridge> yeah your compiling a depreciated music player
[17:23] <cr0mulent> SO the topic says that I should know how to fix broken dependencies when they break
[17:23] <cr0mulent> how would I learn how to do that?
[17:23] <jimiridge> when audacious works just dandy
[17:24] <nekostar> libxmms.a
[17:24] <nekostar> do you have xmms-dev in?
[17:25] <jimiridge> since gentoo dropped xmms i dropped xmms
[17:25] <nekostar> xmms2-dev actually iguess
[17:25] <nekostar> jimiridge i refuse
[17:25] <protonchris> nekostar: xmms and xmms2 are not the same.
[17:25] <nekostar> protonchris i know
[17:25] <nekostar> but i dont know which you have ^^
[17:25] <nekostar> there are other -dev files too..
[17:26] <noamsml> I'm having a problem with my keyboard in Hardy
[17:26] <jimiridge> seams slackware even removed it
[17:26] <noamsml> Repeat keys don't work
[17:26] <protonchris> nekostar: I would be surprised if xmm2-dev would help him compile xmms.
[17:26] <noamsml> Even though they're set to work in the keyboard prefs
[17:26] <nekostar> system > preferences > keyboard
[17:26] <eduardo> i found something in my log saying sd driver needed to be updated..
[17:26] <noamsml> Nvm
[17:26] <noamsml> I changed the prefs and now it works
[17:26] <noamsml> Odd
[17:27] <nekostar> protonchris doesnt look like he's trying to compile xmms..
[17:27] <noamsml> They were enabled
[17:27] <michael__> how bad is the beta do i realllly have to know what im doin got fix it if it messes up and if i dont like hardy can i downgrade with the hassle of a full format ?
[17:27] <nekostar> shrug
[17:27] <nekostar> enable some edgy repos and install xmms stuff
[17:27] <noamsml> Another problem is that I can't set the layour changer to "both alts"
[17:27] <noamsml> It won't work
[17:27] <noamsml> Alt+shift works fine
[17:27] <nekostar> edgy because you can still get the xmms-flac and a few others that got depreciated in feisty/gutsy
[17:28] <jimiridge> one word "audacious"
[17:28] <jimiridge> audacious even has a skin that mimics xmms
[17:29] <jimiridge> and thats the skin i use ;)
[17:29] <wers> when can I request for hardy cds?:D
[17:29] <nekostar> audacious is no good
[17:29] <Sergeant_Pony> anyone know how to get rid of old icons from uninstalled programs?
[17:30] <michael__> delete =P
[17:30] <nekostar> Sergeant_Pony most are in /usr/share/icon/pix i think
[17:30] <Sergeant_Pony> real funny
[17:30] <cvd-pr> i dont like audacious, cuz when i open an .pls its a little slow, but with xmms play inmedialty
[17:30] <Sergeant_Pony> ok
[17:30] <nekostar> Sergeant_Pony most are in /usr/share/icon/
[17:30] <michael__> sorry sgt i didnt mean to annoy just alil joke
[17:30] <nekostar> .local/share/icons/ has a bunch more
[17:31] <Sergeant_Pony> ok... I'll take a look.
[17:31] <eduardo> seems like jimi's beer is over, lol
[17:31] <cvd-pr> so i cant compile xmms in heron ?
[17:31] <Sergeant_Pony> I asked because I installed a program and uninstalled it cuz I didn't like it but the icons are still there
[17:32] <nekostar> ah
[17:32] <nekostar> from repos or by hand
[17:33] <nekostar> eduardo were you not fixed?
[17:33] <nekostar> if so, what was the problem
[17:33] <eduardo> im getting random freezes
[17:33] <eduardo> freezes involving kernel panics
[17:33] <nekostar> riight
[17:33] <nekostar> ok
[17:34] <nekostar> system > administration > system log
[17:34] <nekostar> look for right before the freezes happen timewise
[17:34] <protonchris> eduardo: again, are you using a restricted driver?
[17:34] <nekostar> see if there are any reoccuring errors
[17:34] <nekostar> also:
[17:34] <nekostar> dpkg -l | grep nvidia
[17:35] <eduardo> root@eduardo-desktop:/home/eduardo# dpkg -l | grep nvidia
[17:35] <eduardo> ii  nvidia-kernel-common                       20051028+1ubuntu8            NVIDIA binary kernel module common files
[17:35] <nekostar> right
[17:35] <nekostar> so probably not protonchris
[17:35] <Aval0n> hey how does ubuntu do when you rip out a motherboard and install a new one?
[17:35] <Aval0n> :)
[17:35] <nekostar> Aval0n depends
[17:35] <nekostar> ive had good results
[17:36] <BUGabundo> hi there
[17:36] <nekostar> hi
[17:36] <Aval0n> :)
[17:36] <Aval0n> with sound too?
[17:36] <BUGabundo> I've found a security breach
[17:36] <BUGabundo> and would like to check with others before posting to LP
[17:36] <nekostar> Aval0n that took some reconfigging for onboard
[17:36] <nekostar> BUGabundo yeah expound plz
[17:36] <Aval0n> ahh
[17:36] <Aval0n> cool
[17:37] <BUGabundo> nekostar: "expound" ??
[17:37] <BUGabundo> to whom should I talk?
[17:38] <nekostar> the channel?
[17:38] <BadRobot> hi there
[17:38] <nekostar> hi
[17:38] <eduardo> wtf, now i cant start firefox
[17:38] <cvd-pr> everytime i use the pc i hace to configure the monitor and nvidia , any way to make ubuntu remember the settings?
[17:38] <eduardo> root@eduardo-desktop:/home/eduardo# firefox
[17:38] <eduardo> Could not find compatible GRE between version 1.9b5 and 1.9b5.
[17:39] <BUGabundo> to security breach that I've found
[17:39] <BUGabundo> is that a user can login without password
[17:39] <BUGabundo> even as root
[17:39] <protonchris> BUGabundo: is this a fresh hardy install?
[17:39] <BadRobot> i need some help to install Hardy,i have other distro on my HDD,i have a separated /home partition,and a parttion for / mount point.So how do i install Hardy w/o touching my /home?
[17:39] <axisys> i followed this to get mplayer plugin to work http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=540412
[17:40] <nekostar> eduardo start firefox from non  root term
[17:40] <nekostar> BadRobot just make another user name
[17:40] <BUGabundo> been using it since gutsy alpha 4, and upgrade to hardy on alpha 2, protonchris
[17:40] <eduardo> nekostar, wont open..
[17:40] <nekostar> use same /home partition just diff name
[17:40] <nekostar> i do all the time ^_~
[17:40] <dennda> Is it a known issue that the keyboard doesn't work in some cases with the alternate installer? I can't select one of the options
[17:40] <BadRobot> and if i install Hardy,will it be able to recognize my /home partition and have acess to it?
[17:40] <BUGabundo> maybe it's a configuration issue
[17:40] <BUGabundo> still it is too bad
[17:40] <nekostar> dennda did you have it check for kb?
[17:41] <protonchris> BUGabundo: are you using gdm?
[17:41] <BUGabundo> yes
[17:41] <nekostar> i dont let it guess or detect, i jsut select manually
[17:41] <nekostar> then no problems
[17:41] <eduardo> nekostar, im sorry, update and upgrade procesess arent over..
[17:41] <nekostar> eduardo ok
[17:41] <nekostar> ^^
[17:41] <dennda> nekostar: kb?
[17:41] <nekostar> keyboard
[17:41] <nDuff> BadRobot, not *automatically* necessarily, but if you tell it to mount your old home partition on /home, yes, that'll work.
[17:41] <akk> BadRobot: You can choose -- if you don't tell the installer about /home then it'll make a new /home on its root partition and not touch yours
[17:41] <dennda> nekostar: I just inserted the CD and booted from it. I'm in the "Install Ubuntu", "Check CD for defects", etc menu
[17:42] <nDuff> BadRobot, you will need to be sure to synchronize the UIDs for your user accounts between the two operating systems.
[17:42] <nekostar> dennda push escape
[17:42] <nekostar> go to top menu
[17:42] <dennda> nekostar: no effect
[17:42] <dennda> the whole keyboard doesn't work
[17:42] <nDuff> BadRobot, ...as akk says, it's safer to mount the old partition on /home *after* installation.
[17:42] <nekostar> oh
[17:42] <nekostar> your not in the actual install yet
[17:42] <akk> yeah, I generally don't tell installers about dirs like /home -- I patch them in later by hand, making sure UIDs are the same
[17:42] <dennda> nekostar: no
[17:42] <akk> same with /boot
[17:42] <nekostar> try starting it
[17:42] <protonchris> BUGabundo: sounds like it might be a config issue.  I would look at /etc/gdm/gdm.conf and /etc/gdm/gdm.conf-custom
[17:42] <BadRobot> ok thx
[17:43] <dennda> nekostar: how would you do that without any access to the keyboard?
[17:43] <BadRobot>  i will try
[17:43] <nekostar> no kb at all?
[17:43] <dennda> nekostar: nothing
[17:43] <BUGabundo> what should I been looking for, protonchris?
[17:43] <akk> but ubuntu installers aren't happy about skipping the grub step, which you need to do to leave /boot untouched
[17:43] <nekostar> oh
[17:43] <nekostar> idle a bit perhaps someone else can help, sorry
[17:43] <nekostar> but to clarify
[17:43] <nekostar> you boot to cd, and cannot do anything?
[17:43] <dennda> exactly
[17:43] <nekostar> is kb usb by chance?
[17:43] <cvd-pr> aptitude dont work anymore?
[17:43] <dennda> nope, PS
[17:43] <dennda> lemme replug it
[17:44] <dennda> plugging it out and in again doesn't help either
[17:44] <BadRobot> so,i just need to format the partition that i want to install Hardy and leave the /home partition w/o format.So is just it?
[17:45] <nekostar> dennda do you have any other keyboards in the house?
[17:45] <akk> BadRobot: yes, definitely don't let it format anything besides / and swap
[17:45] <nekostar> i would try one or two if possible
[17:45] <dennda> nekostar: I doubt that makes a difference
[17:46] <dennda> It's not the keyboard
[17:46] <BUGabundo> protonchris: I've reported it as Bug #212923
[17:46] <nekostar> dennda could be an erratia with a kb
[17:46] <ubotu> Bug 212923 on http://launchpad.net/bugs/212923 is private
[17:46] <KNY> is it possible to relabel the mounted drive icons on my desktop? (so "24.1 GB Media" can become "Ubuntu 7.10 Partition")
[17:46] <protonchris> BUGabundo: ok, there seem to be a lot of gdm bugs:  https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/gdm/
[17:46] <nekostar> dell
[17:46] <nekostar> dell'
[17:46] <BUGabundo> that's bad... quite close to release
[17:46] <nekostar> aw3rj08923j
[17:47] <nekostar> dell's for instance are notorious
[17:47] <BadRobot> do you guys knows if it would be possible to use the same /home partition as the /home partition of my new Hardy install?
[17:48] <nekostar> BUGabundo no permission
[17:48] <nekostar> to view
[17:48] <heartsblood> KNY I'm sure there is an easier way but 'mv /media/24.1\ GB\ Media/ /media/Ubuntu\ 7.10\ Partition/' should work
[17:48] <BUGabundo> I know nekostar
[17:48] <stefg> KNY: you need to give that filesystem that label (prolly with e2label)
[17:48] <BUGabundo> I've set the security flag
[17:48] <KNY> heartsblood, on /media they're sda1, etc
[17:48] <awalton__> heartsblood, KNY see lp 190366
[17:48]  * nekostar shrugs
[17:48] <nekostar> guess i cant help then
[17:48] <ubotu> Launchpad bug 190366 in gvfs "Nautilus does not identify partitions, except by size" [Low,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/190366
[17:48]  * nekostar wanders off
[17:49] <KNY> awalton__, gotcha
[17:49] <KNY> now, if only firefox would start, I could check it out ...
[17:49] <akk> BadRobot: I use the same /home between feisty, gutsy and hardy installs ... but I don't use gnome
[17:49] <BUGabundo> try it now, nekostar. I've removed the private flag
[17:49] <akk> BadRobot: or firefox 3 ... either of those might give you problems with dotfiles shared between different versions
[17:50] <BadRobot> no,i am planing to use only Hardy
[17:50] <nekostar> mm
[17:50] <nekostar> depends man
[17:50] <nekostar> did you do a single user / oem install?
[17:51] <chmavr> has anyone installed drivers for ati agp cards???
[17:51] <nekostar> setup a user to log in auto?
[17:51] <BadRobot> i have /hda1 as /mount ,hda2 as /home and /hda3 as swap
[17:51] <nekostar> check /etc/shadow perhaps there's an empty root pass
[17:51] <BUGabundo> nekostar: this is an old install
[17:51] <BUGabundo> as far as I can remember it used to ask for pass
[17:51] <nekostar> of?
[17:51] <nekostar> upgraded install?
[17:51] <BUGabundo> my gf found this out yesterday
[17:52] <BUGabundo> yep, nekostar, since gutsy alpha 4
[17:52] <BUGabundo> and then to hardy alpha 2
[17:52] <BUGabundo> as it is mention on the LP bug
[17:53] <nekostar> i would do a clean install
[17:53] <dotech> Sergeant_Pony, I fixed it!
[17:53] <Sergeant_Pony> dotech Cool!
[17:53] <nekostar> but that is very interesting.
[17:53] <heartsblood> Nautilus does not identify partitions, except by size? does that mean it's impossible to create a name for the disk?  Isn't there a way you can force a label in fstab?  (yes i'm a noob hush)
[17:53]  * nekostar ponders
[17:53] <dotech> Sergeant_Pony, edit /etc/pulse/default.pa
[17:53] <chmavr> noone?
[17:53] <nekostar> heartsblood lable doesnt need to be in fstab try mtap
[17:54] <Sergeant_Pony> dotech looking now
[17:54] <BUGabundo> been looking to do one for two weeks
[17:54] <heartsblood> Methylthioadenosine phosphorylase?
[17:54] <heartsblood> lol
[17:54] <dotech> Sergeant_Pony, move the section for "load-module module-gconf, that entire block, and put it iabove the load-module module-volume-restore block
[17:54] <BUGabundo> but other then a minor probs, my install does ALL I NEED
[17:54] <nekostar> ok
[17:54] <BUGabundo> sorry for the caps, nekostar
[17:54] <nekostar> BUGabundo think perhaps root and user have same pass?
[17:55] <BUGabundo> nops
[17:55] <BUGabundo> diferent passs
[17:55] <nekostar> could do something like sudo in user and it just..
[17:55] <nekostar> darn
[17:55] <BUGabundo> as I said
[17:55] <nekostar> does it persist if you change root pass?
[17:55] <BUGabundo> ANYone can enter as ANY existing user
[17:55] <BUGabundo> humm let me try that
[17:55] <nekostar> new users even?
[17:55] <nekostar> no admin permissions?
[17:55] <nekostar> oo
[17:55] <nekostar> got the livecd package in?
[17:56] <Sergeant_Pony> dotech looking for it now
[17:56] <nekostar> works kinda like that there...
[17:56] <dotech> Sergeant_Pony, look for "Load additional modules from GConf settings", move that block up to where i said
[17:56] <Sergeant_Pony> dotech found it
[17:56] <dotech> those 8 lines
[17:57] <cvd-pr> aptitude still work on herdy?
[17:57] <dotech> Sergeant_Pony, put those 8 lines before the line "Automatically restore the volume of playback stream"
[17:58] <dotech> Sergeant_Pony, here's the other thing, you have to manually edit ~/.pulse/default-sink
[17:58] <nekostar> BUGabundo can any user log in with any pass?
[17:58] <dotech> Sergeant_Pony put "combined" in that file
[17:58] <dotech> without the quotes
[17:59] <dapiz987> hello, i cannot get my pc to detect my network printer after i updated to 8.04. can anybody help me with this?
[17:59] <Sergeant_Pony> 1 sec
[17:59] <BUGabundo> nekostar: just changed root pass
[17:59] <BUGabundo> let me test it on a tty
[17:59] <nekostar> sure
[18:00] <BUGabundo> just tested it
[18:00] <BUGabundo> after I changed root pass
[18:00] <BUGabundo> I was still able to access my TTY without entering a password
[18:01] <nekostar> perhaps pam is broken
[18:01] <BUGabundo> maybe
[18:01] <BUGabundo> How can I check it?
[18:01] <mnemo> im on gutsy right now, how can I move to latest development release of hardy???
[18:02] <BUGabundo> sure you can mnemo
[18:02] <Sergeant_Pony> dotech how do I edit it with root perms?
[18:02] <BUGabundo> but be ready for BUGs and system failures
[18:02] <dotech> Sergeant_Pony, sudo
[18:02] <BUGabundo> just type, update-manager -d , mnemo
[18:02] <Turski> mnemo: but maybe you should firt read topic
[18:03] <nekostar> /etc/login.defs
[18:03] <dapiz987> anybody?
[18:03] <nekostar> check that file for wierd stuff
[18:04] <mnemo> thanks... i know it might break etc :)
[18:04] <FnordPerfect> Hello everybody! Tonight I upgraded to hardy via apt-get dist-uprade. with kernel 2.6.24 there is apperently a problem with the initrd and udev and it fails to boot. with 2.6.22 I have a version mismatch with the nvidia kernel and X modules.
[18:04] <FnordPerfect> I
[18:04]  * BUGabundo opens pam.conf
[18:04] <FnordPerfect> I'm happy with one of these issues solved, cause, frankly, I'm running out of patience for now... :-)
[18:05] <mnemo> one question though, is it possible to downgrade back to gutsy if necessary? or can I make some "save point" now in case it gets really bad?
[18:05] <Turski> no
[18:05] <Turski> i think
[18:06] <mnemo> okay I take my chances then ;> thx
[18:06] <sdakak> Should I install Hardy? How many changes does a final beta go through? I think the gusty beta didn't go through any changes after the final beta.
[18:06] <nekostar> mnemo you might try to make an iso
[18:06] <sdakak> Any thoughts? How is the stability?
[18:06] <nekostar> but if your /home is seperate from /root just make a seperate user
[18:06] <dotech> Sergeant_Pony, after you edit that config file, edit ~/.pulse/default-sink and put "combined" in there
[18:06] <nekostar> then you can use your old user if you dont like it
[18:06] <mnemo> nekostar: how can I do that? is there a command or program I can use?
[18:06] <dotech> Sergeant_Pony, without the quotes
[18:07] <sdakak> people? is anyone awake here?
[18:07] <nekostar> http://onlyubuntu.blogspot.com/2007/04/create-backup-of-installed-packages.html
[18:07] <nekostar> there's one way
[18:08] <mnemo> nekostar: thanks
[18:08] <Sergeant_Pony> does it matter where combined goes? I only have 1 line in that file
[18:08] <identlage> i've upgraded to hardy heron and my nm-applet isnt working. its only showing "Enable networking and "Edit wireless networks". anyone knows why?
[18:08] <malnilion> identlage, what kind of wifi card do you have?
[18:09] <BUGabundo> nekostar: as far as I can see, there's nothing wrong with PAM (either pam.conf or pam.d/*)
[18:09] <identlage> malnilion intel wireless, but its not the wifi i want to configure with it
[18:09] <identlage> its pptp
[18:09] <identlage> and ive installed teh pptp addon
[18:09] <Sergeant_Pony> dotech?
[18:10] <malnilion> identlage, I don't know anything about pptp, unfortunately, but have you tried looking in the Networking settings?
[18:10] <dotech> Sergeant_Pony, yea just 1 line should say combined
[18:10] <dotech> Sergeant_Pony, delete anything in there now
[18:10] <Sergeant_Pony> ok
[18:10] <identlage> malnion: where do you find the "Networking settings"?
[18:10] <dotech> Sergeant_Pony, assuming you want the combined device as your default?
[18:10] <dotech> i think that's what you were trying to do
[18:10] <Sergeant_Pony> nod
[18:10] <Sergeant_Pony> done
[18:10] <sdakak> no one?
[18:11] <dotech> ok, try logging out and back in
[18:11] <dotech> combined should be default now
[18:11] <dotech> i still haven't been able to get Device volume settings to stick, but application settings do
[18:11] <malnilion> identlage, System>Administration>Network
[18:12] <dotech> brb, getting some oatmeal
[18:12] <identlage> malnilion: i see "Wired, Wireless and Point to point"
[18:12] <identlage> as options
[18:12] <identlage> not PPTP
[18:12] <malnilion> Hmmm
[18:13] <Sergeant_Pony> dotech: I have this as my default sink : Simultaneous output to ALSA PCM on front:0 (ALC861 Analog) via DMA
[18:14] <malnilion> identlage, you said you installed network-manager-pptp?
[18:14] <identlage> malnilion: yes
[18:15] <identlage> network-manager-pptp is already the newest version.
[18:15] <identlage> according to apt
[18:15] <identlage> yet i see no pptp
[18:16] <dotech> Sergeant_Pony, thats what you wanted right?
[18:16] <malnilion> identlage, have you tried killing NetworkManager and restarting it?
[18:17] <identlage> malnilion: yes, also tried rebooting
[18:17] <identlage> it just doesnt show
[18:17] <identlage> also, my nm-applet looks like to monitors
[18:17] <identlage> black monitors
[18:17] <Drizzt321> I normally have that import popup come up when I connect my digital camera. Unfortunately, this time when I connected it it did not appear. How do I go about checking that I have that dialog box enabled?
[18:17] <identlage> not the blue thing i saw before in 7.10
[18:18] <KNY> Drizzt321, System > Preferences > Removable Drives and Media
[18:19] <quest-usb> was having problems with usb mic+headset last night.  tried it on wife's system (7.10) and got the following log differences  http://pastebin.ca/974205
[18:19] <dotech> Sergeant_Pony, if you want a different device you just have to edit ~/.pulse/default-sink, you can get the name of the devices in the PulseAudio Manager (paman) under "Devices", Sinks name's is what you want
[18:20] <Drizzt321> KNY:  I went there, and it is setup to use f-spot-import, but when I execute it on the command line, it doesn't seem to be the same app as what normally comes up
[18:20] <malnilion> identlage, it's possible they just changed the icon or something, I'm not quite sure what you mean.  The main problem, I guess, is there's no submenu item for configuring PPTP connections when you click nm-applet
[18:20] <Drizzt321> KNY:  and it also says that it couldn't claim the usb device while connecting to it
[18:20] <identlage> malnilion: yeah. this is the version i'm using: nm-applet 0.6.6
[18:20] <identlage> do you also use that version?
[18:20] <KNY> Drizzt321, hmm. Beyond that I'm not sure what to tell you . Hopefully someone will come along that does
[18:20] <Sergeant_Pony> dotech it says combined so I should be all set
[18:20] <dotech> nice
[18:21] <KNY> Drizzt321, try *un*checking the box
[18:21] <FnordPerfect> hm. maybe someone could tell me which udev and kernel packages are reported to definitely work?
[18:21] <malnilion> identlage, yep, that's the latest version.  I'm going to go see if there's a bug report anywhere.
[18:21] <Drizzt321> KNY:  ah, here we go, the gthumb has the correct dialog box, but it says cannot claim the USB device, operation not permitted
[18:21] <identlage> malnilion: cool, thanks :)
[18:22] <mrserii> im in?
[18:22] <KNY> mrigns, nope :)
[18:22] <KNY> mrserii, *
[18:23] <KNY> Drizzt321, I would guess that something is lurking around, holding the connection to the device
[18:23] <KNY> but that's just a guess
[18:23] <mrserii> hellow
[18:23] <naranha> anybody else got issues updating to the newest kernel in the hardy repository?
[18:23] <Drizzt321> KNY:  probably correct. I'll try logging off then on, and rebooting if that fails
[18:23] <Finnish> Can someone tell me why my wlan-speed is slow?
[18:23] <KNY> Drizzt321, let me know whyat happens
[18:23] <KNY> what*
[18:23] <malnilion> identlage, do you have a VPN Connections submenu when you click nm-applet?
[18:24] <identlage> malnilion: no
[18:24] <Finnish> Sometimes I get 230kb/s speed, but usually it drops to arounf 50kb/s
[18:25] <FnordPerfect> :-(
[18:25] <mrserii> someone can help me to fix problems with 8.04?
[18:25] <macsim> mrserii, depend the problem
[18:26] <malnilion> identlage, this would be the kludge of all kludges if it works, but could you try installing the network-manager-vpnc package and rebooting to see if that tricks nm-applet into giving you a VPN Connections submenu?
[18:26] <mrserii> first, zend studio dosent work, it seems to be problem with SUN JAVA, i see the program and "tip of day" but the rest of the probram is blank
[18:27] <identlage> malnilion: sure, brb
[18:27] <eduardo> how do i install flash player?
[18:28] <cvd-pr> anyway to make 8.04 remember the Screens and Graphics settings?
[18:29] <murkyMurk> CTRL-ALT-F1 no longer brings up a virtual console for me in Heron
[18:29] <cvd-pr> Cuz everytime i use the pc ubuntu forget it
[18:29] <cvd-pr> anyway to make 8.04 remember the Screens and Graphics settings?
[18:29] <mrserii> the second problem is with pureftpd, i cant find a way to configure the server with pureadmin
[18:30] <cvd-pr> can any help me
[18:30] <mrserii> changes dosent take effect
[18:30] <googlah|g0ne> never played with pureftpd, but proftpd is really easy mrserii.
[18:30] <mrserii> i very yong in linux
[18:30] <murkyMurk> cvd-pr: what do you mean...is teh rsolution wrong? background wrong?
[18:31] <mrserii> and have a very big problems with english...
[18:32] <macsim> mrserii, what's your mother tonge ?
[18:32] <mrserii> the problem, i think is to find the database file, the default database file that set on pureadmin
[18:32] <mrserii> what?
[18:32] <cvd-pr> murkyMurk, its always forget the monitor settings Dell e772p, 1204*768,  nvidia gforce is not in use etc....
[18:32] <macsim> mrserii, where are you from ?
[18:32] <mrserii> aa
[18:32] <mrserii> russia
[18:33] <macsim> mrigns, there is no #ubuntu-ru ?
[18:33] <mrserii> i dont know...
[18:33] <mrigns> *sigh*
[18:33] <macsim> mrserii, #ubuntu-ru       67 users
[18:33] <cvd-pr> murkyMurk,
[18:33] <murkyMurk> cvd-pr: that is a function of the xorg.conf file. Your problem is that the nvidia driver isn't loading
[18:33] <macsim> mrigns, let's try over there
[18:34] <mrserii> thank you
[18:34] <macsim> mrserii, let's try over there
[18:34] <macsim> sorry mrigns
[18:34] <cvd-pr> murkyMurk,  yes how to fix that, the first time i instaled 8.04 worked, but then the other day says not is use
[18:35] <cvd-pr> :-(
[18:35] <murkyMurk> most people usually find that using envyng works best for getting nvidia installed on hardy...google for envy nvidia ubuntu and it'll be in the list of hits
[18:36] <murkyMurk> also TURN OFF BulletProofX...very annoying if you are trying to troubleshot a nvidia problem
[18:37] <murkyMurk> back to me....CTRL-ALT-F1 does nothing, I can't get a virtual console
[18:38] <malnilion> 99% of the time I have a problem with my nvidia drivers is because I've upgraded to a kernel image that doesn't have corresponding restricted modules released yet
[18:38] <malnilion> murkyMurk, does it show a blinking cursor on a black screen?
[18:38] <root> hi again. I tried booting 2.6.24-15-generic, "does not compute". could someone, for the love of god, please tell me, which kernel version they are using and if their /dev gets populated correctly?? I'm missing /dev/hd*, and this is quite enerving...
[18:38] <murkyMurk> malnilion: oh i would that it did! That would be easy..No, it does nothing, not even a flicker
[18:38] <orvokki> I'm using 2.6.24-15-rt
[18:39] <naranha> root: i've got the same problem, switched back to -14 which still works
[18:39] <orvokki> root: Made sure they're not under /dev/sd*?
[18:39] <murkyMurk> root: Linux pisces 2.6.24-15-generic #1 SMP Fri Apr 4 03:48:31 UTC 2008 i686 GNU/Linux
[18:39] <cvd-pr> its normal to have xorg.conf1, xorg.conf2,xorg.conf3,xorg.conf.failsafe, xorg.conf.failsafe2, xorg.conf.failsafe3  ?
[18:39] <malnilion> murkyMurk, the reason I ask is right now it appears that I've got black console text on a black background so I can't see anything when I do ctrl alt F1
[18:39] <T1m0thy> Intel 3945 is really bad today. :\
[18:40] <murkyMurk> malnilion: try using either nosplash or vga=791 in the kernel line of your grub options
[18:40] <root> naranha: thanks a lot! Now at least I know I'm not alone with it... I'll try it at once..
[18:40] <malnilion> Yeah, the nosplash would get rid of the load bar, though, right?
[18:41] <murkyMurk> kernel          /boot/vmlinuz-2.6.24-15-generic root=UUID=e0cd9c0c-0fdd-4d95-ae8c-414cbd64d96b ro quiet splash vga=791
[18:41] <murkyMurk> and yep, you'd be all balc screen & text
[18:41] <orvokki> naranha: Could you check that the entries haven't moved under /dev/sd* in -15? Linux kernels sometimes do weird things between the two...
[18:42] <murkyMurk> it's the vga thing although you might need to install vesafb in to the initramfs...that's no very hard, google and it will be done
[18:42] <malnilion> Hehe, I could set it up for old times sake and get a pic of Tux a la Slackware :P
[18:42] <murkyMurk> :-) i loved that
[18:42] <Drizzt321> KNY:  No luck...I'm thinking it might be something to do with the Authentication system
[18:43] <naranha> okay..
[18:43] <malnilion> murkyMurk, the weird thing though is my console was fine until I installed this utility that makes it easier to config usplash and grub
[18:43] <KNY> Drizzt321, ah, sorry to hear that. I don't have any further advice
[18:43] <murkyMurk> cvd-pr: sorry to ignore you..only normal if buletproofx keeps stealing your desktop...disable that first and then troubleshoot nvidia
[18:43] <malnilion> Start-Up Manager
[18:43] <Drizzt321> KNY:  thats what I suspect anyway. Darn it. I guess I'll have to investigate it later, I gotta run for now.
[18:44] <murkyMurk> malnilion: you know what i'm going to suggest don't you?
[18:44] <malnilion> murkyMurk, maybe? :P
[18:44] <T1m0thy> Whoa.. is there any reason why when I move my mouse the pointer is really jumpy and like skips backwards and stuff?
[18:44] <murkyMurk> malnilion: it's got to be the first step...who knows what code it contains
[18:44]  * iositd joins the fun
[18:45] <malnilion> murkyMurk, I'd be willing to bet if I uninstall it, the damage will still be there
[18:45] <malnilion> It's not really a big deal to me
[18:45] <cvd-pr> how to disable  buletproofx
[18:45] <murkyMurk> T1m0thy: probably a real good reason...bit of fluff caught in LED?
[18:45] <patrick__> hey guys, i've only been messing around with ubunt for about 3 months..do you think its safe for me to start using hardy heron or should i wait till the stable release comes out
[18:45] <T1m0thy> It only started after I started something in WINE.
[18:46] <murkyMurk> malnilion: you know it ;-) Try the vga=791 entry and if that is no good do the vesafb thing
[18:46] <T1m0thy> I exited it though, and it's still going.
[18:46] <T1m0thy> I'll just restart.
[18:46] <dotech> nice, i'm now in irssi
[18:46] <bazhang> patrick__: try the livecd beta and see
[18:46] <dotech> !irssi
[18:46] <ubotu> Irssi is a terminal based IRC client. See https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Irssi for help.
[18:46] <murkyMurk> T1m0thy: use htop to kill all wine processes...quicker than a reboot
[18:47] <bluefoxx> how long should it take 'sudo dpkg-reconfigure -a' to run?
[18:47] <patrick__> bazhang, true i should do that first..does the beta have a dock tho? i really enjoyed kiba dock when i had it and objectdock when i ran windows
[18:47] <malnilion> murkyMurk, do you mind if I flood you a couple lines from my menu.lst in a pm?
[18:47] <murkyMurk> bluefoxx: not forever.....tick the 'details' box and see if it's waiting on you
[18:47] <bazhang> patrick__: only if you install it ;]
[18:47] <murkyMurk> flood away
[18:47] <patrick__> bazhang haha now all i have to do is find a cd...im all out
[18:48] <bazhang> patrick__: dvd's work in a pinch ;]
[18:48] <bluefoxx> murkyMurk: its in the terminal, synaptic broke and told me to run it>. < that was last night
[18:49] <T1m0thy> Fixed..
[18:50] <mrserii> macsim: i cant find help in russin, maybe only with beer
[18:51] <patrick__> bazhang is there a way to use a flash drive? or is it just more simple to use a dvd/cd
[18:52] <Fritzel>  I have an odd occurrance, it seems whenever I run a program in a console it generates pratically no cpu usage, as it should, but if I run it behind the scenes in any form that isn't visible it eats up 100%+ cpu usage, does anyone know how I can diagnose this?
[18:52] <bazhang> patrick__: simplest is cd/dvd though www.pendrivelinux.com has instructions for how to do usb sticks
[18:52] <patrick__> k
[18:52] <murkyMurk> bluefoxx: sorry to ignore you...last night!!! that's hung. reboot and try again
[18:52] <macsim> mrserii, lol
[18:52] <macsim> mrserii, and with vodka ? ;)
[18:53] <mrserii> i dont need help with it haha
[18:53] <macsim> :)
[18:55] <bluefoxx> murkyMurk: np, i was afk washing a frying pan and its still running. i wasnt able to stay up *all* night to babysit it.
[18:56] <Fritzel> any thoughts on the cpu issue?
[18:56] <bluefoxx> murkyMurk: the dpkg i mean >. < not the frying pan XD
[18:56] <bluefoxx> Fritzel: what issue?
[18:56] <Fritzel> I have an odd occurrance, it seems whenever I run a program in a console it generates pratically no cpu usage, as it should, but if I run it behind the scenes in any form that isn't visible it eats up 100%+ cpu usage, does anyone know how I can diagnose this?
[18:56] <mrserii> its killi'n me
[18:56] <heartsblood> oh dear god no.  The new firefox RC isn't compatible with AdBlock plus....NOOOOOOOOO!
[18:56] <Syntux> Hi, I have installation festival on 10th of April so I was wondering if I could download the latest ISO for that purpose but so far all ISOs I found were built on 7 of March
[18:57] <murkyMurk> bluefoxx: lol Yep, reboot and start off with a sudo apt-get -f install
[18:57] <patrick__> bazhang do you happen to know the name of the dock included in the beta repo's?
[18:57] <Ayabara> Hi. I upgraded on friday, and when I try to start up now, I get the message "The greeter application appears to be crashing. Attempting to use a different one." But that doesn't seem to help.
[18:57] <bazhang> !info awn
[18:58] <heartsblood> did awn ever fix the memory hole?
[18:58] <MoonFog> Hmm, does anyone know what evolution-data-server is?
[18:58] <ubotu> Package awn does not exist in hardy
[18:58] <MoonFog> I just realised the damn thing constantly maxed out the CPU
[18:58] <bazhang> !info avant-window-navigator
[18:58] <ubotu> avant-window-navigator (source: avant-window-navigator): A MacOS X like panel for GNOME. In component universe, is optional. Version 0.2.1-0ubuntu2 (hardy), package size 215 kB, installed size 1152 kB
[18:58] <mrserii> someone can help me to install and config ftp server?
[18:58] <bazhang> see above patrick__
[18:58] <bluefoxx> murkyMurk: or can i just inturrupt the dpkg[ctrl+c] and then run that? but as i recall inturrupting anything root has been bad
[18:58] <patrick__> got it
[18:58] <heartsblood> mrserii: apt-get install proftpd
[18:59] <heartsblood> mreserii: it's pretty easy
[18:59] <heartsblood> mrserii* even
[18:59] <googlah|g0ne> agree with heartsblood.
[18:59] <Ayabara> Since my X-session fails, I want to try to upgrade from terminal, but how can I start networking from there?
[18:59] <patrick__> bazhang is it possible to get awn for gutsy? and if so are there other reasons for getting the beta?
[18:59] <mrserii> yes but after that i need to config it, and its not working
[19:00] <heartsblood> mrserii: your best bet is to man proftpd
[19:00] <bazhang> patrick__: there are ways yes digg has a link and others do as well
[19:00] <googlah|g0ne> mrserii: disable IPv6 in proftpd.conf.
[19:00] <murkyMurk> bluefoxx: you could, but you might find that you're left with a locked apt file..reboot usually sorts that
[19:00] <mrserii> man? what is man?
[19:00] <heartsblood> mrserii: it will tell you were the config scripts are and what the options mean.  if you have a question about a specific option I'm sure somebody here can help you out
[19:00] <murkyMurk> Ayabara: networking autostarts even in terminal but not in recovery mode...init 3
[19:01] <bluefoxx> murkyMurk: ah...i dont like to reboot that much...i ilke my uptime XD
[19:01] <heartsblood> mrserii: you don't know what man is and you're running hardy?
[19:01] <heartsblood> mrserii, type man man
[19:01] <Ayabara> murkyMurk, ok. when I log in, none of my interfaces are up
[19:01] <Fritzel> man has a man page?
[19:01] <murkyMurk> bluefoxx: i was like that with slack..not so with ubuntu though :-P
[19:01] <heartsblood> lol
[19:01] <heartsblood> i'm assuming
[19:01] <bluefoxx> murkyMurk: lol
[19:01] <Ayabara> murkyMurk, no ip address on any of them.
[19:01] <Fritzel> ah yeah it does, I never knew that ^^
[19:02] <bluefoxx> heartsblood: im with you on the adblock plus
[19:02] <mrserii> after i disable ipv6 what to do?
[19:02] <murkyMurk> Ayabara: you are in recovery or terminal? init3?
[19:02] <bluefoxx> which remonds me. how can i downgrade firefox to the previus release? the last beta before the current one i mean
[19:02] <bluefoxx> reminds**
[19:03] <murkyMurk> bluefoxx: easiest way is to use add/remove it's still there as an option
[19:03] <bazhang> patrick__: I have to step away for awhile; will be back later if you still have questions ;]
[19:03] <Ayabara> murkyMurk, I didn't choose recovery in grub. I don't really know much about runlevels.. I just pressed ctrl+alt+f1 and logged on
[19:03] <cyclonut> bluefoxx: I think you might be able to force a version in synaptic. I havent tried it yet (latest beta sucks for me, too)
[19:03] <cyclonut> (but is mighty fast...)
[19:03] <murkyMurk> Ayabara: cool. ifconfig will list all your network devices
[19:03] <patrick__> k
[19:04] <murkyMurk> sudo /etc/init.d networking restart will restart them all
[19:04] <murkyMurk> Ayabara: sudo /etc/init.d networking restart will restart them all
[19:04] <Ayabara> murkyMurk, yep. I see my wlan0 there, but it has no ip address, and the command you mentioned didn't help
[19:04] <mrserii> how can i create 2 users mrserii and arni2 with pass 123, to the directory /media/sda2/www/http/ ?
[19:05] <cyclonut> bluefoxx: I think you need to remove firefox, then "force version" from the package menu
[19:05] <murkyMurk> have you ever programmed a wlan link by console before?
[19:05] <Ayabara> murkyMurk, I want to connect to a wlan with wpa encryption. should it work better with a wire?
[19:05] <bluefoxx> well, ima reboot to get synaptic going again brb dudes[or dudettes lol]
[19:06] <mrserii> someone?pls
[19:06] <Ayabara> murkyMurk, no...
[19:06] <murkyMurk> Ayabara: go and read -> http://www.linuxquestions.org/questions/linux-wireless-networking-41/wifi-dhcp-ip-essid-wep-advice-367967/
[19:07] <murkyMurk> Ayabara: it's mostly easy if you take your time
[19:07] <bluefoxx> girr...
[19:07] <SexyGirL> #ChatworLD
[19:07] <SexyGirL> #ChatworLD
[19:07] <murkyMurk> Ayabara: and yes, with a wire it would be automatic
[19:07] <SexyGirL> #ChatworLD
[19:07] <bluefoxx> ops should ban 'her'
[19:08] <Ayabara> murkyMurk, cable plugged and connected I am :-)
[19:08] <murkyMurk> Ayabara: wooohooooo!
[19:08] <recon69> good new, finally got restricted nvidia drivers to work, had to remove xserver
[19:08] <Ayabara> murkyMurk, no updates, however. :-/
[19:09] <Ayabara> anyone else had a problem with the greeter application crashing?
[19:09] <Fritzel> how can I grant permission to a program to run on another VT (that I don't think is in use 8, and 9) but not run as root? I want them to run as a specific user?
[19:10] <murkyMurk> Fritzel: I think that requires root permissions
[19:10] <Fritzel> ok hmm does open let you run as a specific user? (rhetoric, I'm looking)
[19:10] <chi_> hi, i am experince less CPU-FAN activity in hardy ... my laptop is getting pretty hot and increasing temperature
[19:10] <slipttees> NVIDIA Corporation NV6 [Vanta/Vanta LT] don't have compiz/fusion :-(
[19:11] <slipttees> wont active Desktop effect
[19:11] <slipttees> :-(
[19:11] <mc-george> does anyone know the french ubuntu channel?
[19:12] <cyclonut> #ubuntu-fr ?
[19:12] <Ayabara> how can I revert to the default gdm logon theme from terminal?
[19:12] <mnemo> [20:08] <ubotu> mc-george: Allez a #ubuntu-fr ou #kubuntu-fr pour de l'aide et de la discussion en francais.
[19:12] <emma> Hi, could someone give me a link to good information about how to make packages?
[19:12] <jrib> !motu > emma (read the private message from ubotu)
[19:12] <mc-george> thanks mnemo
[19:13] <jrib> emma: the documentation section on that wiki page is very good
[19:13] <FnordPerfect> Hello! my system is up and running again, after countless hours. before I left ~30min someone said that my IDE drives might be mapped to /dev/sd*. I checked, and it's true! I'd like to know, why, and if this is a permanent change or a misnomer by udev?
[19:13] <chi_> pls  help to get control over my cpu-fan
[19:13] <emma> Okay I do not want to become a MOTU but I thought that if I learned how to make a package then that would improve my understanding of Ubuntu?
[19:14] <jrib> emma: not necessary to use ubuntu, but you would definitely know more.  Regardless of whether you want to become a MOTU, that page still tells gives you the information you wanted about creating packages
[19:14] <cyclonut> FnordPerfect: that is the ubuntu way.
[19:15] <jrib> !packaging > emma (read the private message from ubotu)
[19:15] <recon69> FnordPerfect: it'a a permanent change, you should use UUID 's , there was a script in one of the update that changed them. I had the same problem upgrading from 6.06
[19:15] <cvd-pr> after using envy nvidia dont work
[19:15] <jrib> emma: more specific links in that last factoid
[19:15] <cvd-pr> its enable but status = not in use
[19:16] <cvd-pr> murkyMurk, still dont work
[19:16] <chi_> hey folks, i want to increase the fan speed ... the laptop is getting too hot
[19:16] <rpedro> anyone else get a crash after reading gmail, when closing the tab, every time?
[19:16] <chi_> lm_sensors doesnt work
[19:17] <FnordPerfect> ok, thanks. won't be hard to get used to it, it was just irritating...
[19:17] <cvd-pr> Nvidia Graphics are enable but status = not in use
[19:17] <cvd-pr> ?
[19:17] <cvd-pr> any can help
[19:17] <dennda> Fun! Great delay with "Loading hardware drivers" on boot and now it failed to initialize hal (Got a message in GNOME stating that)
[19:17] <dennda> Is that already a known issue?
[19:17] <recon69>  cvd-pr: you having problems with nvidia drivers?
[19:18] <cvd-pr> recon69, yes
[19:18] <cvd-pr> recon69, Nvidia Graphics are enable but status = not in use
[19:18] <chi_> cvd-pr:  are you useing envy and restricted drivers???
[19:18] <cvd-pr> chi_, i use it envy
[19:19] <rpedro> dennda: I had that too
[19:19] <recon69>  cvd-pr: well, I was having lots of problemswith nvidia until i removed xserver
[19:19] <dennda> rpedro: Did you report it?
[19:19] <recon69> xserverglx that is
[19:19] <chi_> :( pls help me with the cpu-fan speed
[19:20] <cvd-pr> the first time i installed 8.04 the nvidia worked but then not
[19:20] <rpedro> no, but heard someone else had the same issue before that new kernel even appeared on update manager here, a couple of days before
[19:21] <cvd-pr> recon69, and also ubuntu dont remember the monitor settings
[19:21] <rpedro> dennda: if you file a bug report, can you tell me here please?
[19:21] <rpedro> so I can confirm too
[19:21] <recon69> cvd-pr:  you getting any other error messages ?
[19:21] <aleehk82> does anyone use transmissionbt in hardy?
[19:21] <dennda> rpedro: I'll check the other kernel first
[19:21] <dennda> it's quite buggy
[19:22] <dotech> Sirius's Media Player does not work in Firefox 3 :\
[19:22] <dotech> hunk of junk
[19:22] <recon69> cvd-pr:  like unable to load setting daemon?
[19:22] <cvd-pr> recon69,  its always say  ' enering in low graphics mode etcc'
[19:22] <bewst> Does anyone know what happened to the "displays" admin tool that was present in Gutsy?
[19:22] <dotech> their media player is junk, i guess i'll have to get some non-compliant browser to render sirius
[19:24] <dennda> ah yes
[19:24] <dennda> the old kernel works way better
[19:24] <recon69> cvd-pr: what card ? and what driver you using
[19:24] <Fritzel> how can I change the ownership of vt's 8 and 9 to a specific user?
[19:25] <emma> Thanks I'm trying to read through it.
[19:25] <Fritzel> or at least allow that user to launch applications on those vt's
[19:25] <Fritzel> open gives an access denied erropr
[19:26] <Fritzel> -p
[19:26] <recon69> cvd-pr: I using a nv6800, enabled nvidia restriceded driver from admiin->Hardware drivers , removed xserver-glx and it just worked :)
[19:26] <leche> does anybody have problems with gajim and jabber.linuxlovers.at? im getting disconnected frequently...
[19:28] <dotech> sick! mozilla-mplayer is what i needed
[19:28] <dotech> it works now
[19:28] <cvd-pr> WHy nvidia status = not in use but its enable?
[19:29] <derspankster> dotech: how'd you get mozilla player working? FF3B5?
[19:30] <recon69> cvd-pr: no idea. would seem like the driver is not working. so when it tried to start it failed. you might want to reset you xorg.conf using dexorg
[19:31] <cvd-pr> how i use dexorg?
[19:31] <cvd-pr> recon69,
[19:32] <recon69> cvd-pr: but that just hitting it with a stick, hard to say whats wrong . I'v got the command wrong. i'll look it uo
[19:32] <cvd-pr> ok
[19:33] <recon69> cvd-pr: what card you using?
[19:33] <ttl> desperate. need help with upgrade from 6.04 to hardy.  Cannot complete upgrade because out of memory.  Hpw much HD do I need?
[19:33] <cvd-pr> recon69,  Gforce 4 mx
[19:33] <rpedro> dennda: you mean the kernel from gutsy?
[19:34] <dennda> rpedro: no, the one the beta had
[19:34] <dennda> the one the update brought doesn't
[19:34] <rpedro> oh k
[19:34] <emma> define 'chroot environment'
[19:35] <chi_> ... so pls help!
[19:35] <rpedro> dennda: cause gutsy was way faster for me than hardy, when it comes to desktop responsiveness, and also any thing flash related now takes 100% cpu causing hardy to even slower for me...
[19:36] <dennda> rpedro: it's still a beta after all
[19:36] <rpedro> yes
[19:37] <ttl> is there any expert on upgrading?
[19:37] <T1m0thy> Anyone else have an Intel 3945?
[19:37] <rpedro> but I have a suspicion it's because of the new CFS kernel scheduler. some people have reported some slowness since it was introduced (not on ubuntu)
[19:39] <ttl> I have a dual boot.  Can I re-install 6.04 without loosing XP?
[19:40] <Flannel> ttl: there is no 6.04, but yes, you can reinstall whatever Ubuntu version and not lose XP.
[19:40] <cvd-pr> recon69, ?
[19:41] <ttl> I have been trying a direct upgrade to hardy but it says I am out of memory
[19:43] <ttl> flannel: do you know how much HD is required for hardy?
[19:43] <murkyMurk> ttl what does the command df -H tell you?
[19:43] <mnemo> ttl: i tried to upgrade before and it said it need 2GB free
[19:43] <Flannel> ttl: Yeah, two gigs or so for a base install.
[19:44] <chi_> :( help pls, i need to control my fan-speed
[19:44] <ttl> ok..then there is somehting deeply wrong
[19:44] <mnemo> when you run out of HDD during dist upgrade to hrady then the wizard will tell you about it
[19:44] <murkyMurk> rpedro: 100 cpu is not a heron problem but a firefox problem...maybe rolling back to ff2 from ff3 would cure it..it's available in add/remove
[19:45] <murkyMurk> ttl: the command to check hard drive free space is df -H
[19:45] <ttl> thanks.. will try
[19:45] <cvd-pr> recon69, there?
[19:45] <recon69> cvd-pr: have you tried sudo nvidia-xconfig?
[19:46] <mnemo> im trying to complete the "hardware testing" wizard but in the end it just freezes and lshw consumes 100% for a very very very very long time
[19:46] <cvd-pr> recon69, yes
[19:46] <cvd-pr> recon69, what is i delete all de xorg.conf?
[19:46] <slipttees> I wont active desktop effect in my hardy
[19:46] <slipttees> why ?
[19:48] <recon69> cvd-pr: was a command  i found that put xorg.conf back to the default. custom xorg.conf files did not help me at all
[19:48] <Lunks> Exception in thread "main" java.lang.UnsatisfiedLinkError: Can't load library: /usr/lib/jvm/java-6-openjdk/jre/lib/i386/motif21/libmawt.so
[19:48] <Lunks> What to do?
[19:48] <Lunks> Other than creating myself a symbolic link. ;x
[19:49] <recon69> cvd-pr: cant seem to find it again so not sure of the spelling :(
[19:49] <recon69> cvd-pr: do you have xserver-glx installed?
[19:50] <cvd-pr> recon69,  xserver-glx? its not in the repos
[19:50] <Lunks> xgl, isn't it?
[19:50] <murkyMurk> recon69: cvd-pr envy
[19:50] <cvd-pr> envy dont work
[19:50] <Lunks> If it's for ATI, it'd be xserver-xgl
[19:50] <cvd-pr> same thing
[19:51] <recon69> sorry , it's xserver-xgl
[19:51] <murkyMurk> cvd-pr: envy always *installs* the nvidia driver..next stop is to convince xorg to *use* it..did you disable bulletProofX?
[19:51] <Lunks> cvd-pr: do you have an ati or nvidia graphics card?
[19:52] <cvd-pr> nvidia gforece 4 mx
[19:52] <cvd-pr> murkyMurk, no i dont know how to do it
[19:52] <cvd-pr> recon69,  it's xserver-xgl is not installed
[19:53] <Lunks> cvd-pr: hey
[19:53] <cvd-pr> Lunks, what
[19:53] <Lunks> if you got nvidia, you don't need xgl
[19:53] <Lunks> You DON'T.
[19:53] <murkyMurk> cvd-pr: okay sudo gedit /etc/gdm/gdm.conf
[19:53] <recon69> cvd-pr: you dont want to delete, you want a clean default xorg.conf file. hardy apparently does all that stuff automatically now :)
[19:53] <Lunks> cvd-pr: you just need plain nvidia driver
[19:53] <chi_> you make teh little jesus cry
[19:54] <Lunks> murkyMurk: why are you telling him to use XGL? O.o
[19:54] <murkyMurk> cvd-pr: find the line that lokk slike "FailSafeXServer=/etc/gdm/failsafeXServer" and piut a # in front
[19:54] <Lunks> He's using NVIDIA!
[19:54] <cvd-pr> Lunks, i know i use gutsy and all is working
[19:54] <Niklas_E> anyone know why saa7134-oss ain't in the kernel 2.6.24.12 and 2.6.24.14?
[19:54] <murkyMurk> Lunks:  dunno what you're talking about
[19:54] <Lunks> ok, sorry
[19:54] <Lunks> gtg
[19:54] <murkyMurk> Lunks: I know
[19:54] <leche> nvidia + xgl = no!
[19:55] <cmjphp> does ubuntu 8.04 have support for nvidia cards on the install cd?
[19:55] <leche> cmjphp, nv yes, nvidia no
[19:55] <cmjphp> ok thanks
[19:55] <cvd-pr> murkyMurk, ok done
[19:56] <cvd-pr> let me do a restart brb
[19:56] <murkyMurk> cvd-pr: once that comment is added reboot / restart X..YOU WILL GET X ERROR MESSAGES
[19:56] <murkyMurk> cvd-pr: understand that if you want a desktop, edit xorg using nv.....but try nvidia as it does work with maybe a little tweaking
[19:57] <Lunks> Exception in thread "main" java.lang.UnsatisfiedLinkError: Can't load library: /usr/lib/jvm/java-6-openjdk/jre/lib/i386/motif21/libmawt.so
[19:57] <Lunks> Some help? xD
[19:59] <void^> where did you get that openjdk build?
[19:59] <ttl> murk: after df -h I get /dev/hda2 9G available..+ other files have a 498M size and have 1-3% used
[20:00] <murkyMurk> ttl: cool, plenty of space on your hard drives thenn...what was the exact error message?
[20:00] <murkyMurk> Lunks: you actually installed java?
[20:01] <ttl> I run out of memory when I run aptitude install ubuntu-desktop
[20:01] <murkyMurk> ttl: did any of the partition from the df command come back as full?
[20:01] <ttl> this solution was suggested earlier becase after upgradinf to hardy had not fonts only rectables
[20:02] <ttl> rectangles
[20:02] <Everheart> Hi guys, I just upgraded to hardy but I can't manage to login. It seems that my account password is wrong, what could be the cause of this?
[20:02] <murkyMurk> ahh..how much RAM do you have?
[20:02] <marcus1> hello all
[20:02] <ttl> ah...I don't have anymore swap and extended partition
[20:03] <murkyMurk> low RAM and a full swap will do it
[20:03] <ttl> I think 1MB
[20:03] <hmuller> Anyone know where bluetooth-properties stores it configuration settings?
[20:03] <murkyMurk> ttl: you need to get aquainted with gparted to resize that swap space to at least 1GB
[20:04] <ttl> i am veyr familiar wiht it
[20:04] <marcus1> im trying to install eyeOS and am following the gutsy guide they have ..im running heron however.  its saying that after installing php5 from synaptic there should be a folder called apache2-default in /var/ww  but i see no folders there
[20:04] <ttl> I will add 2GB
[20:04] <marcus1> www^
[20:04] <murkyMurk> Everheart: just incase caps lock on?
[20:04] <marcus1> can someone help me?
[20:04] <ttl> do I neeed to add an extended parition as well?
[20:05] <murkyMurk> marcus1: have you installed apache?
[20:05] <marcus1> i installed the php5 package along with its dependencies..they said that was all i needed..is there more?
[20:06] <emma> This is messed up -- https://wiki.ubuntu.com/PackagingGuide/Complete
[20:06] <murkyMurk> ttl: there is no simple answer there....that isn't a linux thing, it's a harddrive thing..that extended partition might have anything on it
[20:06] <Everheart> nope murky no caps on
[20:06] <KRF> marcus1, i dont have that folder, too
[20:06] <marcus1> according to synaptic apache2 is installed
[20:07] <murkyMurk> Everheart: you wouldn't have been the first. Sorry, never heard of that ever happening......can you log in from recovery?
[20:07] <marcus1> a search for apach2 reveals nothing
[20:07] <murkyMurk> ahh...www isn't a subdirectory of /var  it's under apache somehwere
[20:07] <murkyMurk> i tthink ;-)
[20:08] <marcus1> there is an apache folder in /usr/share/perl5  would that be  it?
[20:08] <marcus1> hmm no www there
[20:09] <ttl> murky: linux swap as primary partition?
[20:09] <murkyMurk> ttl
[20:09] <recon69> marcus1: maybe you should post a link to the guide you using
[20:09] <marcus1> http://wiki.eyeos.org/HOWTO_Install_eyeOS_on_Ubuntu_Gutsy
[20:09] <murkyMurk> ttl: no..Really, google for a basic partitioning guide..there are LOTS and it's more than a few lines of text to explain
[20:09] <bewst> How can I experience the "better autoconfiguration" that supposedly comes with xorg-7.3 and Hardy?
[20:10] <xtknight> bewst, you probably already are : )
[20:10] <bewst> All I get is a minimal Xorg file with the wrong driver selected.
[20:10] <xtknight> my config was fairly vacant to begin with.  so it is autoconfiguring that
[20:10] <xtknight> bewst, what video card do you have?
[20:10] <murkyMurk> bewst: sounds like a common experience..nvidia?
[20:10] <xtknight> ya
[20:10] <bewst> Let's take the easy case:  Radeon Mobility X300
[20:10] <Lunks> murkyMurk: java is installed
[20:11] <xtknight> bewst, and what driver is it selecting
[20:11] <Adys> Apart from firefox and konqueror, which other browsers are available on ubuntu hh?
[20:11] <Lunks> libmawt.so is not on motif.. but rather on mawt/libmawt.so
[20:11] <bewst> Gutsy got the right driver and I got the full compiz treatment
[20:11] <bewst> xtknight: how can I tell?  xorg.conf doesn't show a driver
[20:11] <Adys> Im trying to find a lightweight one with a solid rendering engine (webkit would be nice)
[20:11] <xtknight> bewst, you can open /var/log/Xorg.0.log
[20:12] <xtknight> Adys, there is a webkit browser out there but it's buggy
[20:12] <xtknight> ff3 is about as solid as they get
[20:12] <bewst> xtknight: what do I look for in there?
[20:12] <Adys> oh, where?
[20:12] <xtknight> it passes acid3 and everything not sure what you mean
[20:12] <murkyMurk> Lunks: that seems to be a JDK file..have you installed the JDK or just the runtimes?
[20:12] <xtknight> Adys, sorry i dont have the link on hand but googling webkit and gtk should get you somewhere
[20:12] <Adys> aight
[20:12] <xtknight> is ff mising something?
[20:12] <bewst> xtknight: "matched ati for the autoconfigured driver"
[20:13] <xtknight> i tried the webkit browser and safari and i found them fast but still limited, like no adblock etc.  so i went back to ff3
[20:13] <xtknight> bewst, hmm
[20:13] <xtknight> bewst, pastebin it if you would
[20:13] <murkyMurk> bewst: xorg.conf should always show *a* driver...scroll though it to the Device section
[20:13] <Adys> xtknight:  Well FF is segfaulting, but i prefer the webkit engine anyway
[20:13] <xtknight> nope not with xorg 7.3 it doenst
[20:13] <xtknight> sometimes there's no driver there
[20:13] <xtknight> Adys, well i thought webkit was based off konq.  in any case konq is decent
[20:14] <alex-weej> webkit is based on khtml
[20:14] <Adys> Konq just doesnt cut it
[20:14] <alex-weej> the html widget for konq
[20:14] <Adys> And indeed, webkit was a fork of khtml
[20:14] <xtknight> im confused tho what's so good about webkit?  other than it's slightly faster
[20:14] <alex-weej> i think kde are gonna replace it with qtwebkit in the future though
[20:14] <Adys> xtknight: Thats about it, its faster :)
[20:14] <alex-weej> xtknight: it's actually a good API to usre
[20:14] <murkyMurk> xtknight: never known or seen that't How would X know what driver to use if it isn't in xorg...can't trust bulletproofx to get it right
[20:14] <recon69> marcus1: would seem you should open apache and see if you web server is activated and setup correctly
[20:14] <alex-weej> not just an afterthought, like mozembed
[20:14] <AR`Neatchee> xtknight, FF3 passes acid3?  Not on trunk yet
[20:14] <alex-weej> Adys: not just that
[20:15] <bewst> xtknight: OK, I guess i have the right driver.  However, compiz wants to insist on fglrx and won't work without it :(
[20:15] <AmyRose> Has anyone else had trouble with Synaptic freezing during the applying changes stage?
[20:15] <xtknight> AR`Neatchee, not sure, i thikn a nightly did
[20:15] <Adys> Well its slightly less buggy on stable versions than gecko
[20:15] <xtknight> bewst, hmmm
[20:15] <xtknight> bewst, well install fglrx/?
[20:15] <Adys> but thats only very specific stuff
[20:15] <marcus1> open apache?...in terminal?
[20:15] <xtknight> bewst, use jockey-gtk, the hardware driver manager
[20:15] <recon69>  marcus1: use a browser to open localhost and see what you get
[20:16] <xtknight> murkyMurk, xorg 7.3 dynamically chooses a driver
[20:16] <marcus1> lol
[20:16] <marcus1> it says   "It Works!"
[20:16] <Adys> Though its annoying atm, ff3 is segfaulting and I have to use swiftweasel2 for flash stuff (running 64bit)
[20:16] <murkyMurk> marcus1: useful for apache basics -> http://www.howtoforge.com/forums/showthread.php?t=903
[20:16] <bluefoxx_> im back. dpkg-reconfigure -a *almost* fried my system. i was supposed to run dpkg --configure - a but misread it as -reconfigure[and fried my sys] at anyrate, im back and online again. proof that if you know what you're doing any linux problem can be fixed. just make sure you read things twice before acting
[20:16] <marcus1> thanks
[20:16] <xtknight> i dont know if you can get flash on webkit on linux
[20:16] <xtknight> much less 64bit lol
[20:17] <recon69> marcus1: how check apache config file and see what dir is the root directory of the web server.
[20:17] <xtknight> i'll try to find that program for you
[20:17] <bewst> xtknight: but I don't *want* to use fglrx, which suxxx.  I didn't need it for compiz w/gutsy
[20:17] <AmyRose> I doubt that Firefox will ever pass Acid 3. The stable version still doesn't pass...
[20:17] <xtknight> bewst, huh?
[20:17] <AmyRose> not even acid 2
[20:17] <xtknight> i thought it always needed fglrx
[20:17] <Adys> Well I had to compile swiftweasel with 32bit libs
[20:18] <bewst> xtknight: only on a few ATI cards like the FireGL 5200 that I have in my other laptop (so sad)
[20:18] <xtknight> Adys, epiph with webkit http://live.gnome.org/Epiphany/WebKit
[20:18] <murkyMurk> xtknight: but surely only from an open source list? It won't choose nvidia..it can't choose nvidia
[20:18] <xtknight> murkyMurk, right, only open source
[20:18] <marcus1> how do i do that recon69 ?
[20:18] <Adys> AmyRose: the mozilla team isnt worried by acid3. the stable version doesnt pass acid2 because it was released about 2 weeks after acid2
[20:18] <chi_> hey all, cpu is very hot and FAN-speed is very slow !!! help
[20:18] <Adys> people just think the acid tests are minor bugs easily fixed...
[20:18] <xtknight> maybe it was opera that passed acid3 and im mistaken
[20:18] <bewst> xtknight: it works fine with the opensource driver in Gutsy.
[20:18] <clarezoe> hi, anyone lost thw wpa_supplicant.conf file? I don't have it any more, but I didn't delete in any case by myself
[20:18] <AmyRose> xtknight: Opera was the one that did. I know because I have a build of it that does
[20:18] <hmuller> anyone know offhand where bluetooth-properties stores user settings?
[20:18] <murkyMurk> xtknight: fine for a server but pretty pants for a desktop
[20:19] <Adys> xtknight:  thanks for the link im checking it out
[20:19] <karmelek> hello - i have got next problem - when i print something (odt, doc, pdf etc) my printer (HP 840c) prints about half page and stops printing - it leaves half of a page blank and continue printing on the next sheet of paper - how to fix it?
[20:19] <AmyRose> Adys: Firefox 2.0 was not released that quickly after Acid2. Firefox was still 1.0.x when I saw Konqueror passing acid 2
[20:19] <fargiolas> hi, i'm using the new firefox that comes with hardy. as far as i can see it tries to render forms button etc with the current gtk theme but it fails with my dark theme and i have unreadable grey forms with black text. Is there a way to disable gtk integration?
[20:19] <xtknight> Adys, midori is what i tried also.  http://software.twotoasts.de/?page=midori
[20:19] <xtknight> but it crashed
[20:19] <Adys> AmyRose: I'm talking about the gecko engine releases anyway, but heh
[20:19] <xtknight> i'd try epiph instad
[20:20] <murkyMurk> fargiolas: no idea but you could always go back to FF2..it's still in add/remove
[20:20] <murkyMurk> brb
[20:20] <xtknight> i think there's other qt based webkit software also
[20:20] <Lunks> murkyMurk: yeah i did installed everything... it was working, but broke on recent updates.
[20:20] <Lunks> Not sure which.
[20:20] <chi_> can someone just type my nickname - wanna check highlighting
[20:20] <xtknight> chi_
[20:21] <Lunks> It was broke before the last jdk update.
[20:21] <chi_> thx xtknight
[20:21] <recon69> marcus1: not sure, look for /etc/apache2/sites-available/default , dont have apache installed myself. you need to find the line "
[20:21] <recon69> DocumentRoot /var/www/"
[20:21] <ttl> argiolas su sardu?
[20:21] <dotech> Sipie works in Hardy for Sirius online
[20:21] <AmyRose> Adys: I still don't think that Firefox should get any slack there... they had a few years to do this and waited this long when everybody except IE has passed it in stable releases already
[20:22] <Adys> They said publicly why they weren't worried about Acid3
[20:22] <marcus1> i see where it says that
[20:22] <Adys> They want to focus on fixing the important bugs, whether they are present in the acid tests or not
[20:22] <recon69> marcus1: try find a file called  httpd.conf
[20:22] <DarkMageZ> failing the Acid tests is a declaration of failing to comply to the standards. this means that firefox fails at being standards compliant...
[20:23] <xtknight> eh i haven't had browser issues with pages in ages..
[20:23] <karmelek> knows somebody something about my problem with pronting?
[20:23] <Sergeant_Pony> dotech you here?
[20:23] <chi_> lm_sensors on hardy? ??  help !
[20:23] <dotech> Sergeant_Pony: yep
[20:24] <marcus1> httpd.conf is blank
[20:25] <Sergeant_Pony> dotech goto #paste
[20:25] <recon69> marcus1: well you going to have to consult the doc's on setting DocumentRoot in apache. it in a config file in apache directory somewhere. you need to use the path set by DocumentRoot.
[20:26] <dotech> Sergeant_Pony: why? there's a pastebin in the topic you can use
[20:26] <AmyRose> Has anyone else had trouble with Synaptic freezing during the applying changes stage?
[20:26] <marcus1> okay thanks
[20:27] <marcus1> ubuntu support is always excellent!
[20:27] <ttl> when you get a solution to your answers
[20:28] <recon69> marcus1:  you could try grep -lir "DocumentRoot" *  in the apache directory
[20:28] <AmyRose> https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/synaptic/+bug/192140
[20:29] <ubotu> Launchpad bug 192140 in synaptic "update manager hangs at "applying changes" window" [Undecided,New]
[20:29] <karmelek> know somebody about problems with hp 840c on hardy?
[20:30] <xtknight> i compiled a new kernel and now i dont have sound.  i used the same config as my old kernel but just enabled mmiotrace and a couple other options.  any idea what's going on there?
[20:30] <chi_> wanna increase fan-speed
[20:30] <chi_> fan is toooo slow
[20:30] <xtknight> makes no sense to me
[20:33] <xtknight> i dont understand.  CONFIG_SND is disabled in 2.6.24 as  well.  where does the sound driver come from on hardy?
[20:33] <murkyMurk> AmyRose: is a sub window waiting for your input? Click 'details' and see what it says
[20:34] <murkyMurk> xtknight: isn't there something complex with initramfs these days?
[20:34] <xtknight> dunno
[20:34] <Lunks> murkyMurk: any more ideas?
[20:35] <murkyMurk> Lunks: did you install the JDK?
[20:35] <Lunks> yes
[20:35] <Lunks> murkyMurk: file is not on motif21/ but on mawt/
[20:35] <Lunks> that's the only difference afaik
[20:36] <murkyMurk> Lunks: what was the origianl error again?
[20:36] <ether_c> has anyone else noticed that compiz treats the "superbar" url dropdown as a separate window in firefox3b5?
[20:36] <Lunks> murkyMurk: let me 'generate it' again =P
[20:36] <murkyMurk> Lunks: lol
[20:36] <Adys> ether_c:  aye
[20:36] <Lunks> murkyMurk: Exception in thread "main" java.lang.UnsatisfiedLinkError: Can't load library: /usr/lib/jvm/java-6-openjdk/jre/lib/i386/motif21/libmawt.so
[20:37] <ttl> murky: I created extended and swap partitions. now  i am running aptitude upgrade-desktop
[20:37] <Lunks> ether_c: it doesn't treat as a dropdown, indeed
[20:37] <ether_c> I suppose it's no big deal
[20:37] <ether_c> but little things like that bug me
[20:37] <ttl> and computer is resovling dependencies..this is where it got out of memory before
[20:38] <Lunks> ether_c: here it's not doing anything
[20:39] <ether_c> I'm not sure if it's by design, or just a bug, but it "zooms in" every time it opens with compiz turned on
[20:39] <murkyMurk> Lunks: stupid question...you have motif wm installed?
[20:39] <Lunks> yeah i do
[20:39] <Lunks> doing locate libmawt.so one of the entries is:
[20:39] <Lunks> /usr/lib/jvm/java-6-sun-1.6.0.05/jre/lib/i386/motif21/libmawt.so
[20:39] <murkyMurk> ttl: hopefully you have enough RAM/swap for it to complete now
[20:39] <Lunks> and another one is /usr/lib/jvm/java-6-openjdk/jre/lib/i386/xawt/libmawt.so
[20:40] <ttl> 2g of swap
[20:40] <Lunks> so it's looking a completely different dir, but why? O.o
[20:40] <murkyMurk> Lunks: link to that then
[20:40] <murkyMurk> Lunks: who knows..maybe someone hard coded it in?
[20:41] <Lunks> murkyMurk: it was working before, so I doubt it
[20:41] <murkyMurk> Lunks: same file, bet it works
[20:41] <Lunks> yeah, I thought of just linking
[20:41] <Lunks> but this is weird, indeed
[20:42] <murkyMurk> Lunks: are they actually tow files or do they link on elsewhere? so.1 and all that jazz
[20:43] <Lunks> murkyMurk: not sure, let me check
[20:43] <randomoutburst> has anyone had any sound issues?
[20:43] <murkyMurk> randomoutburst: had a SBLive! fail and i'm slightly deaf
[20:44] <bluefoxx> has anyone else found transmission to be freezing and unfreezing constantly?
[20:44] <slackern> randomoutburst, not sure but after 2.6.24-15 update to kernel my mpd playing from a ntfs partition seems to use alot more cpu
[20:44] <randomoutburst> humm well i was talking about software mainly
[20:44] <randomoutburst> for some reason i cant get any sound at all
[20:44] <murkyMurk> randomoutburst: ah, then no ;-)
[20:44] <AngryBacon> bluefoxx: who is your isp?
[20:45] <AcidBreak> AngryBacon: shaw high speed light
[20:45] <Lunks> murkyMurk: it doesn't work after linking it
[20:45] <Lunks> well, gotta go
[20:45] <Lunks> murkyMurk: i'll try coming back here later
[20:45] <recon69> well, strangely my workspace picker has stopped working
[20:45] <Lunks> murkyMurk: thanks, and cu! =D
[20:45] <randomoutburst> maybe the final version will be fixed
[20:45] <bluefoxx_> wtf?
[20:46] <murkyMurk> randomoutburst: usual suspect first plugged in, powered on, not muted, no headphones..you'd be surprised how often it's one of them
[20:46] <randomoutburst> haha yeah for real, i have relatives :)
[20:46] <randomoutburst> "umm are the speakers on?" "......no....."
[20:47] <bluefoxx_> girr!
[20:47] <murkyMurk> lol..so easy to do
[20:47] <murkyMurk> randomoutburst: so, in your case..all hardware & cables okay?
[20:47] <randomoutburst> yeah
[20:48] <bluefoxx> fine. screw the id change-. -
[20:48] <murkyMurk> randomoutburst: is it a separate soundcard or a builtin?
[20:48] <randomoutburst> built in
[20:48] <randomoutburst> im on a laptop
[20:49] <bluefoxx> so has anyone else found transmission to freeze a lot?
[20:49] <murkyMurk> bluefoxx: nope, smooth & silky
[20:49] <slackern> bluefoxx, been running nicely last couple of days for me here too
[20:49] <bluefoxx> damn. it keeps freezing on me.
[20:50] <bluefoxx> and can someone cut AcidBreak's connection? its ghosting and unregistered so i cant cut it >. <
[20:50] <murkyMurk> randomoutburst: system-preferences-sound set them all to Pulseaudio sound server apart from the hardware one at the bottom..usually says alsa
[20:50] <randomoutburst> ok thanks ill try that
[20:50] <randomoutburst> when i get a chance
[20:51] <murkyMurk> right ETQW time
[20:51] <Meshezabeel> problem with the firefox update (beta 5). When I play a video in youtube, and open a second tab with youtube in it. if I close this second tab down, the video in the first tab suddenly stops and becomes grey
[20:51] <Fritzel> have the issues with skype been resolved yet on hardy kde4?
[20:51] <murkyMurk> Meshezabeel: that's a FF or flash problem..hardly Ubuntu's fault
[20:52] <murkyMurk> l8rs
[20:52] <Meshezabeel> murkyMurk, it never did this in FFb4
[20:52] <cvd-pr> yes
[20:52] <cvd-pr> know work
[20:53] <pwuertz> Meshezabeel: yes, firefox/flash became very unstable after hardy moved to pulseaudio
[20:53] <cvd-pr> first i delete all the xorq.conf    , then boot in recoverymode and select repair xserver
[20:53] <cvd-pr> :-)
[20:54] <Meshezabeel> pwuertz, but I never did have problems with it until todays update
[20:54] <recon69> cvd-pr: so is it working?
[20:54] <cvd-pr> yes is working great now
[20:55] <pwuertz> Meshezabeel: flashplayer is crashing all the time here
[20:56] <pwuertz> Meshezabeel: flashplayer + nvidia drivers was bad.. but it's unusable with pulseaudio now
[20:56] <ether_c> in the 2 years I have used ubuntu firefox + flash has NEVER been stable. ever.
[20:56] <ether_c> it's just a fact of life.. flash crashes firefox. especially youtube videos
[20:56] <akk> flash has always been super crashy on some machines, and it's often not obvious why
[20:57] <akk> I don't see flash crashing much but my mom sees it all the time
[20:57] <Meshezabeel> pwuertz, I've been using hardy for the past month or so, and have had no problems with flash until firefox was just updated today, now this problem can be repeated every single time
[20:58] <ttl> anybody familiar with aptitude upgrade-desktop?
[20:58] <pwuertz> Meshezabeel: all I can tell you is that for my system its like:
[20:59] <pwuertz> flash+nvidia = bad, flash+pa = bad, flash+nv+alsa = never had a crash
[21:00] <Meshezabeel> pwuertz, hmm, okay, thanks, I have nvidia too, so who knows. Is there somehow a way to roll back to beta4 of firefox?
[21:00] <recon69> anyone know how to give the workspace picker a good reset?
[21:01] <Meshezabeel> recon69, what do you mean by workspace picker, and what problem are you having with it?
[21:02] <jaffarkelshac> i have been asking this question for a while now, is there anyway to control my lcd birghtness via my terminal, the last two kernal updates has broken that possiblity by keys combinations.
[21:02] <recon69> "workspace picker" in gnome, lets you pic what workspace you in, Got four workspaces, but when i click on the picker nothing happens
[21:03] <Meshezabeel> recon69, did you try restarting gnome?
[21:03] <recon69> ok, it a switcher and not a picker :) "workspace switcher"
[21:03] <pwuertz> Meshezabeel: about some other problem I've been having for some time.... which nvidia gfx card are you using?
[21:03] <Meshezabeel> pwuertz, it is a geforce 8600m gt
[21:04] <pwuertz> Meshezabeel: are you using qt4 applications?
[21:04] <Meshezabeel> pwuertz, not that i know of anyhow
[21:04] <ant-> when is hardy released?
[21:05] <recon69> Meshezabeel: yes, i tried restarting. was having big problems with gnome-setting-daemon before, think that may have broken it somehow. tried removing it from tool bar as well
[21:05] <Meshezabeel> pwuertz, though I don't know what was written in qt4 and what wasn't
[21:05] <ant-> anyone know the release date?
[21:05] <jaffarkelshac> i have been asking this question for a while now, is there anyway to control my lcd birghtness via my terminal, the last two kernal updates has broken that possiblity by keys combinations.
[21:05] <MadProcessor> ant: end of this month
[21:05] <Meshezabeel> ant-, look on the main ubuntu website, there is a countdown
[21:06] <ant-> thx
[21:06] <pwuertz> lol... when I strace a stuck firefox/flash process, it just segfaults
[21:06] <jaffarkelshac> hary in 18 days
[21:06] <pwuertz> Meshezabeel: if you are using a standard ubuntu setup, I guess you haven't encountered qt4 yet
[21:07] <Meshezabeel> pwuertz, yes, it is just a standard setup, I have installed a few apps such as xchat etc., but I doubt that any of them are qt4
[21:08] <jester7> did the latest firefox update break flash for you guys?
[21:08] <Meshezabeel> pwuertz, I have had java problems so I disabled compiz
[21:09] <Meshezabeel> jester7, yes sort of, that's what I am talking about now ;)
[21:09] <pwuertz> jester7: for some of us... for me.. flash was broken all the time
[21:09] <jaffarkelshac> hello
[21:09] <ether_c> it kind of works..
[21:09] <jester7> wow
[21:09] <jester7> it doesn't work for me at all
[21:10] <Meshezabeel> jester7, for me I can play a youtube video, open a second youtube tab, close this tab, and the flash in my first tab gets greyed out. I then have to close down ff and reopen it again for it to work.
[21:11] <ether_c> my youtube videos play for exactly one second
[21:11] <ether_c> and then nothing happens
[21:11] <ether_c> no crash.. they just stop
[21:12] <[diablo]> evening
[21:12] <Meshezabeel> evening [diablo]
[21:12] <[diablo]> guys anyone having issues booting 2.6.24-15
[21:13] <jester7> well, i just uninstalled than reinstalled flashplugin-nonfree and it seems to be working fine again
[21:13] <[diablo]> I'm only able to boot to 14
[21:13] <recon69> [diablo]: booting fine for me
[21:13] <[diablo]> mmm
[21:13] <Meshezabeel> [diablo], no problems for me
[21:13] <[diablo]> mine stops on no detection of fdcontroller
[21:14] <[diablo]> odd
[21:16] <Meshezabeel> jester7, does it work having two youtube videos open in separate tabs and then closing the second tab?
[21:18] <[diablo]> boots in my KVM too
[21:18] <[diablo]> but not on my AMD 2600+
[21:22] <ttl> question on Hardy upgrade
[21:22] <recon69> anyone else's workspace switcher not working?
[21:22] <recon69> cause when i turned off desktop effects mine started working again
[21:22] <jester7> Meshezabeel: nope
[21:23] <Meshezabeel> jester7, so one of the videos goes greyed out now?
[21:23] <ttl> after aptitude upgrade-desktop some depndenceies were unresolved. It says libpulsescore5 reccomends pulseaudio ..also score is -1542..what it means?
[21:23] <jester7> yup
[21:24] <jester7> but i don't have to restart firefox
[21:24] <jester7> just close the tabs
[21:24] <Daisuke_Laptop> well, still no relief for the networking issue...  apparently my wireless interface has been renamed wlan0_rename
[21:25] <Meshezabeel> jester7, true enough, I only had two tabs open ;)
[21:26] <Meshezabeel> so who should this bug report be filed with?
[21:30] <Ramunas> hello, after recent updates, my keyboard is acting weird, when i press the insert key, it puts a ~, and when I press backspace a few times it puts a \ instead of deleting a char
[21:30] <Ramunas> what the hell is going on?
[21:31] <Ramunas> this is really weird, and annoying, not really complaining, as its still a test version, I just would like to know how to fix this
[21:32] <Meshezabeel> Ramunas, how many keyboard layouts are you using?
[21:32] <Ramunas> I have 2
[21:34] <Meshezabeel> Ramunas, might be a keyboard mapping issue, I've heard of a similar issue under gutsy, but can't remember how to fix it
[21:34] <recon69> Ramunas: why would you have 2 keyboard layouts?
[21:34] <Ramunas> recon69, I use english and Lithuanian layouts
[21:37] <mezell1> Do the core developers regularly look through launchpad bugs and fix them? There's one that's been on there for over a month that's affecting me, with no comment from a developer.
[21:37] <akk> mezell1: No, bugs can languish for years.
[21:38] <recon69> Ramunas: well, you keyboard layout is set in /ect/X11/xorg.conf , not sure how you set two though
[21:39] <Ramunas> its Option          "XkbLayout"     "us"
[21:39] <recon69> Ramunas: and also in sys->pref->keyboard
[21:39] <MTecknology> When I try to open a page in firefox that is supposed to open a pdf reader, i get a big gray box and nothing else
[21:39] <Ramunas> but sometimes I switch it to Lithuanian via that gnome tool
[21:39] <mezell1> akk: is there any way to "bump" it? out of the box, you cannot use hardy with ldap. I consider that a fairly high priority bug
[21:39] <Ramunas> but this is happening on US layout
[21:40] <akk> mezell1: I wish I knew. I've seen a lot of fairly serious bugs that don't get attention. :(
[21:41] <akk> mezell1: Right now I can't use hardy for much because it can't see most of its installed fonts, but I don't have much hope of anyone noticing that bug report.
[21:44] <recon69> Ramunas: what is say for keyboard model?
[21:44] <Ramunas> Option          "XkbModel"      "pc105"
[21:44] <billisnice> welcome to the jungle
[21:45] <billisnice> i need my butt kicked for trying pre release software...pain in the butt
[21:45] <billisnice> lol
[21:50] <sourcemaker> virtualbox does not work.... I started my windows 2000 converted from vmware yesterday... and the vbox hangs on "Loading windows 2000" screen
[21:52] <recon69> the squiggly windows are nice but i think i prefer having a working "workspace switcher" , so fancy effects go out the window :)
[21:52] <DanaG> When I core-dump timidity, why does it not offer to report a crash?
[21:54] <DanaG> I also get audio dropouts when I close my laptop lid.
[21:58] <Daisuke_Laptop> evolution-data-server should NOT be keeping one of my cores at 100% at all times :\
[22:00] <recon69> bye, seems for the moment I have no major issues with hardy :)
[22:02] <Meshezabeel> Ramunas, if you remove your seconnd layout from system->Preferences->Keyboard, and restart gnome, do you still have this problem?
[22:03] <Ramunas> Meshezabeel, I'll try that in a second
[22:03] <heartsblood> this is a noob question I know but is it possible for thunderbird to monitor mailboxes without physically being open?  It does not seem very efficient to dedicate 18MB of ram (the size of the Tbird client) for a mail daemon.
[22:05] <akk> There are smaller mail notification programs (often they have "biff" in the name)
[22:06] <heartsblood> biff?
[22:08] <heartsblood> it seems biff is just a terminal notifier
[22:09] <heartsblood> ah gnubiff
[22:12] <HorizonXP> how do I create an ad-hoc wireless network, so my gf can connect her WinXP laptop to the internet through mine
[22:13] <gregcha117> i have no sound although alsa appears to be working fine what can i do to get my sound back?
[22:14] <heartsblood> HorizonXP, do you have a wireless router?
[22:15]  * DanaG uses gnubiff in panel.
[22:15] <DanaG> Handy.
[22:15] <DanaG> It quacks when I have new mail; that's a bit amusing.
[22:15] <HorizonXP> heartsblood: I do not. I'm in residence, the wall jack is tied to my MAC address
[22:15] <noamsml> It seems that every once in awhile repeat keys just stop working. They begin working again when I change the repeat key delay time (even if I change it back to the old setting)
[22:15] <heartsblood> DanaG: so I'm noticing.
[22:15] <noamsml> Anyone got an idea as to what to do?
[22:16] <heartsblood> HorizonXP, wireless internet isn't as easy to share as you're typical land line.  on your run of the mill 802.3 network a simple cross over cable is all you need to share internet, however wireless has no such 'cross over' cable.  that's why you need wireless base station
[22:17] <heartsblood> HorizonXP, you can buy a wireless base station and wire configure it use your PC as the gateway
[22:17] <HorizonXP> so.... what's the point of an ad-hoc wireless connection?
[22:17] <HorizonXP> and... she's only over for today, not much point in me going thru all that trouble...
[22:18] <gregcha117> how can i get my sound back?
[22:18] <DanaG> I'd be able to figure out the fake-AP thingy, but it'd be tricky.
[22:18] <akk> adhoc is cool! if you have two people with laptops somewhere that doesn't have a net
[22:18] <DanaG> You'd need a few things: dnsmasq and hostap, I believe.
[22:19] <DanaG> And you'd need to enable ipv4 forwarding.
[22:19] <DanaG> Handy hint: even if you don't use Gentoo (I don't!), their wiki can be very useful.  Perhaps there's something there about it.
[22:21] <DanaG> Odd... when I resumed from sleep, no network drivers were loaded.  Not even the wired one.
[22:23] <MattyOv> Hi all - I have a problem with my LTSP being deaded on a new install of 8.04. The thin clients just hang after saying negotiation: = size 1024
[22:23] <zylche> gnome-panel ----  how do I get the minimum size for panels back to 23 pixels?
[22:24] <gregcha117> my sound is broken can someone please help me ive been coming here for weeks and no ones helped me out
[22:25] <phoenix5002> I had the Open Source ATI drivers working when I first switched to Hardy, and then I changed to the proprietary drivers, but now I can't get back to the open source ones, can anyone help me?
[22:25] <redwhitewaldo> how can i figure out whether my camera is set up to work as USB drive?
[22:30] <slackern> phoenix5002, i had a little tricky problem getting the radeonhd drivers working also but after a little fiddling in xorg.conf i got mine working
[22:30] <derspankster> redwhitewaldo: plug it in and see if it mounts
[22:30] <krychek> hi, will this black rectangle thing in firefox3 be fixed in hardy final?
[22:30] <redwhitewaldo> derspankster: i see camera when i do "lsusb" . what do you mean "see if it mounts"?
[22:31] <phoenix5002> well the problem is I found a tutorial and I've used it before.  It says to type "glxinfo | grep vendor" and if it says ATI then your good to go, but if it says something else than your libGL.so file was overwritten by fglrx or something.
[22:31] <phoenix5002> mine says SGI not ATI like it used to
[22:31] <derspankster> redwhitewaldo: plug it into a usb port if it mounts you see the memory card if it does
[22:32] <phoenix5002> the problem is the tutorial makes no mention of what to do if this happens, it just assumes u saw ATI and continues
[22:32] <kumarphilly> when is the release day?
[22:32] <redwhitewaldo> derspankster: where do i look for "memory card"?
[22:32] <slackern> phoenix5002, oh hmm maybe not the same problem then, mine was that the autoconfiguration took the ati driver instead of the radeonhd driver so i had to enter it manually into xorg.conf for it to work
[22:33] <derspankster> redwhitewaldo: do you have a usb cable that connects your camera to your computer?
[22:33] <redwhitewaldo> derspankster: yes, i do. that's what i'm using now to connect cam to comp.
[22:33] <phoenix5002> slackern: the proprietary ati drivers sort of "overwrite" the open source ati drivers, has the same driver name
[22:34] <phoenix5002> slackern: but I've done this before and I just follow that tutorial to reinstall the open source drivers and it works fine, but I usually see ATI for the vendor like it says... but now I see SGI.
[22:34] <derspankster> redwhitewaldo: got to places>computer : do you see the camera?
[22:35] <derspankster> turn the camera on too
[22:35] <slackern> phoenix5002, hmm afraid i have no idea, my x1950pro agp card doesn't even work with the fglrx drivers, took ati from 7.7 to 8.2 version in windows to even get 3d to work on this card, 7.6 was good and 8.3 :P
[22:39] <heartsblood> DaRk_LoVe_[18f], Turn off the damn invite spam
[22:39] <heartsblood> retarded bot
[22:39] <heartsblood> ty
[22:40] <chi_> hi all, need help with cpu-fan-speed
[22:40] <heartsblood> LjL, can I ask you something?
[22:40] <mnemo> i upgraded to latest hardy today and I was a little bit worried something would break for me... but nothing broke and man this new version is just brilliant.. I simply love 8.04, it rocks... so many things have been fixed that I was really hoping for... like my mic now works, skype works with video, compiz works with my 965GM intel gfx card etc etc
[22:40] <mnemo> ubuntu is awesome!!
[22:41] <LjL> heartsblood: sure
[22:41] <heartsblood> LjL, seeing as how you're an op here and in #ubuntu, does that mean you're a high ranking ubuntu community member, or do you actually work for Ubuntu?
[22:42] <LjL> heartsblood: i'm just a community member who spends too much time on irc :)
[22:42] <heartsblood> ah
[22:42] <heartsblood> wondered how that worked
[22:43] <derspankster> redwhitewaldo: find your camera?
[22:43] <LjL> heartsblood, PM me the spam that you received please
[22:43] <heartsblood> I deleted that window, let me find the log
[22:43] <viator> since i cant get my  broadcom card working with the broken hardy firmware installer id like to try ndiswrapper
[22:43] <ber> hello
[22:43] <ber> all
[22:43] <viator> the windows driver is an exe
[22:44] <viator> how do i get the files i need extracted from it
[22:44] <redwhitewaldo> derspankster: no. i'm on xubuntu 8.04 (not ubuntu8.04
[22:45] <krychek> mnemo: great to hear you like it :)
[22:45] <derspankster> rewhirewaldo: guess I should have asked. Never even seen xubuntu.
[22:47] <viator> nevermind i used wine :|
[22:47] <timing> is it possible to run ff2.0 next to 3.0 for web development?
[22:48] <timing> apt-get policy shows only one available version of firefox
[22:48] <viator> ummm whats ndiswrapper called in the repos?
[22:48] <dotech> so sick
[22:49] <redwhitewaldo> derspankster: the xubuntu equivalent of Ubuntu's "Places/Computer" shows no usb camera.
[22:49] <dotech> 3 monitors set up now
[22:49] <dotech> center monitor is portrait, the side monitors landscape
[22:49] <redwhitewaldo> viator: maybe ndisgtk
[22:49] <dotech> i ended up disabling RandR in order to use xinerama to rotate the center display, i'm sure RandR can do it but not sure how
[22:49] <viator> thats the gui
[22:50] <viator> its ndiswrapper-common
[22:50] <redwhitewaldo> viator: was that a test-question? 8-)
[22:51] <viator> i havent used ndiswrapper in a long time but i have to get wireless working on this ir my wife will kill me
[22:51] <viator> cause i have to keep stealing the ethernet cord from the printer
[22:51] <viator> :|
[22:52] <EdLin> buy an ethernet cable. ;-)
[22:53] <viator> nah theres only one port there
[22:53] <viator> in the kitchen
[22:53] <derspankster> redwhitewaldo: Actually, I haven't tried connecting my camera on 8.04. My desktop is still running Gutsy and the cam connects.
[22:53] <viator> thats where the printer is
[22:54] <EdLin> add another router. :-)
[22:54] <glance> anyone know something about grpid and autofs?
[22:54] <viator> id need to buy another switch
[22:54] <clarezoe_> can anyone tell me how to make the wpa_supplicant work with my router?
[22:54] <viator> but im cheap
[22:54] <viator> and
[22:55] <EdLin> just kidding really, wifi is too convenient to want to do what I said
[22:55] <clarezoe_> I'm using Fonera
[22:55] <viator> i should have the wireless working on a laptop or whats the point its a light desktop
[22:55] <EdLin> viator, billgatesify your house and have ethernet ports in every room
[22:56] <glance> err, nfs and grpid
[22:56] <viator> haha
[23:10] <dotech> if i am reading this Ubuntu website correctly, Java does not work in FFX on AMD64 systems?
[23:10] <dotech> https://help.ubuntu.com/community/AMD64/FirefoxAndPlugins
[23:14] <atlef> dotech: you need the 32 bit version'
[23:14] <savvas> dotech: it "works" - on some cases, but it's not yet for all java web apps
[23:14] <atlef> *of firefox
[23:14] <atlef> or so i thought
[23:14] <negge> I have a slight problem with my harddrives. I have to NTFS drives, each time my computer starts I have to double-click the drive icons so that they will mount. The problem is that the mount point changes all the time, everytime I reboot a "_" gets added to the end of the disk name
[23:14] <negge> how can I solve this?
[23:15] <dotech> atlef, savvas: thanks, i'll have to look into getting the 32 bit
[23:15] <negge> I tried copying the lines from my Kubuntu 7.10 /etc/fstab file and pasted them to the new one but it didn't work.
[23:27] <Moe|Joe> hey anyone know what is a good idea...installing the current beta then upgrade to final via updater wen it gets released
[23:28] <Moe|Joe> or install 7.10 then upgrade via updater final 8.04 gets released?
[23:29] <negge> Moe|Joe IMO the beta version works pretty good (using it right now) so if you want to get the feeling of the new version before the final is released then try it out
[23:29] <Moe|Joe> yeh
[23:29] <Moe|Joe> wud any problems arise if i just do a network update
[23:29] <Moe|Joe> instead of doing a fresh format?
[23:29] <negge> are you using 7.10 now or?
[23:29] <Moe|Joe> nah
[23:29] <Moe|Joe> im on my vista box atm
[23:29] <negge> aah
[23:30] <Moe|Joe> which is a mac mini
[23:30] <Moe|Joe> lol
[23:30] <negge> well if you're gonna install Ubuntu you'll need to shrink one of your partitions to get some free space (if you still want to keep Vista that is...)
[23:30] <Moe|Joe> yeh
[23:31] <Moe|Joe> i just got vista setup with sp1 now on my laptop
[23:31] <Moe|Joe> but thats why i was asking
[23:31] <Moe|Joe> if i wud have to format wen final 8.04 comes out
[23:31] <negge> Moe|Joe no you can keep your Vista installation
[23:31] <Moe|Joe> yeh
[23:32] <Moe|Joe> i was gona either dualboot the beta or 7.10 release
[23:32] <negge> yeah
[23:32] <Moe|Joe> but if i do a network upgrade from the beta to final
[23:32] <Moe|Joe> wud any error arise?
[23:32] <googlah> hey guys, just deleted kdm and now gdm wont start as default. anybody know how to solve this?
[23:32] <Moe|Joe> i wud hope not lol
[23:32] <negge> Moe|Joe doubtfully
[23:32] <Moe|Joe> bargin :)
[23:33] <Moe|Joe> also
[23:33] <Moe|Joe> ati drivers for 8.04?
[23:33] <Peaker> hey, I have been using hardy for a week or so I think, and its keyboard layout switching seems broken. Anyone else uses multiple keyboard layouts?
[23:33] <Moe|Joe> just got this laptop and it has an ATi card in it...and only ever used nvidia on ubuntu myself
[23:33] <googlah> i have no login screen graphic.. so
[23:33] <Peaker> keyboard switching from english->Hebrew or back via keyboard keys does not seem to work
[23:34] <negge> Moe|Joe ATI works just fine, I have ATI myself. When you start Ubuntu for the first time you'll be prompted to install the ATI drivers automatically
[23:34] <Moe|Joe> kk
[23:34] <Moe|Joe> thanks :)
[23:34] <Moe|Joe> now to find my beta disc
[23:34] <Moe|Joe> lol
[23:35] <negge> I got the latest daily build, worked like a charm:)
[23:39] <Moe|Joe> latest build of the beta?
[23:40] <atlef> Moe|Joe: yes
[23:41] <Moe|Joe> where from?
[23:41] <Moe|Joe> or is tht the one from the site?
[23:42] <atlef> Moe|Joe:  http://cdimage.ubuntu.com/daily-live/
[23:44] <Moe|Joe> hmm
[23:44] <Moe|Joe> how old is the beta cd on the net? compared to the daily build?
[23:49] <Flannel> Moe|Joe: Beta was released two and a half weeks ago
[23:49] <Moe|Joe> ah i see
[23:49] <Flannel> Moe|Joe: but if you install the beta and then do updates, you'll be up to the daily
[23:49] <Moe|Joe> yeh
[23:50] <Moe|Joe> but thts like 300megs worth of updates
[23:50] <Moe|Joe> rather download whats there in a iso
[23:50] <Moe|Joe> seeming i cant find my beta disc
[23:50] <Moe|Joe> lol
[23:54] <smallfoot-> put wine 0.9.59 in repo! plz
[23:55] <rsk> smallfoot-: it's already uploaded
[23:56] <smallfoot-> why it dont come to me? :(
[23:56] <rsk> casue the repos are in freeze i think atm
[23:56] <rsk> should come anytime now
[23:56] <smallfoot-> oh :(
[23:56] <smallfoot-> minutes? hours? day?
[23:59] <N3WFI3> :p
[23:59] <Black_Magic> Where is the guy that said ATI Raedon Xpress 200M works great for him i want to know his configureation :P