| Nafallo | LjL: can we have ubotu in -se please? want to trial and see if it helps getting things back to Ubuntu. | 14:55 |
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| LjL | Nafallo: yeah, but it doesn't speak swedish | 14:56 |
| Nafallo | LjL: fine for a trial certainly :-) | 14:56 |
| LjL | Nafallo: -se is straying lately? | 14:57 |
| Nafallo | yes | 14:58 |
| Nafallo | everything from unlocking nokias to everyone talking about arch linux all the time :-/ | 14:58 |
| LjL | you don't have many ops for a 120 people channel either | 14:58 |
| Nafallo | no :-) | 14:59 |
| Nafallo | and we have no rules at all in place. | 14:59 |
| LjL | well then it's amazing that it hasn't gone nuts much earlier than this :P | 15:00 |
| LjL | although well, you're swedes... ;P | 15:00 |
| Nafallo | the channel have been where it should by itself, but in the last few... :-/ | 15:00 |
| Nafallo | it's not that people don't get help... | 15:00 |
| LjL | any noticeable increase in number of users lately? | 15:00 |
| Nafallo | I'm just scared new users will be put off by a channel talking about other distributions all the time. | 15:01 |
| Nafallo | naah, that have been pretty stable for the last few years. | 15:01 |
| LjL | well you need to choose which route to go... | 15:02 |
| LjL | if you don't want them to talk about other distributions, you need an offtopic channel | 15:02 |
| LjL | otherwise, if you want to allow offtopic talk, then you have to let them talk about other distributions :) | 15:02 |
| LjL | if people's support questions are not getting lost in a whole backscroll of offtopic talk, you're already lucky, anyway | 15:03 |
| LjL | Nafallo: perhaps put "If you have a support question about Ubuntu, feel free to ask" or something at the start of the topic, so it's clear to who joins [and reads the topic, i.e. nobody] what the primary purpose of the channel is | 15:04 |
| Nafallo | well. I don't want to forbid anything. but I don't want to scare off users either. | 15:04 |
| Nafallo | new users that is | 15:05 |
| Nafallo | if I where new and came into a channel with people comparing os x, y and z with distro a, b and Ubuntu I would not ask my question and would instead be put off. | 15:06 |
| Nafallo | s/where/was/ | 15:06 |
| LjL | Nafallo, well, there are drawbacks to each approach (support-only vs anytopic), i don't really see a way to only have the advantages of both... although anyway, i don't think most people would be put off by seeing such discussions per se | 15:08 |
| LjL | people are put off when they ask their questions and perceive it as being ignored | 15:08 |
| LjL | on #ubuntu, questions get ignored often enough, but then it's clear it's support-only, while if you allow any topic, one ends up thinking that "nobody cares" about giving support | 15:08 |
| Nafallo | hmm. yea. that might be it... | 15:09 |
| LjL | but if support questions *are* usually answered reasonably readily, i don't think there is really a problem | 15:09 |
| Nafallo | I just get so annoyed when I came back yet again and just saw discussions about arch linux... | 15:09 |
| LjL | answered - or at least feedback given to, even just "can you elaborate more" | 15:09 |
| Nafallo | can't they get their own channel or something? :-/ | 15:09 |
| Nafallo | also this guy asking over and over and over an... etc about how to unlock Nokia phones. | 15:10 |
| Nafallo | for crying out load... | 15:10 |
| Nafallo | loud even | 15:10 |
| LjL | Nafallo: they do, #archlinux.se | 15:10 |
| Nafallo | then they have two ;-) | 15:11 |
| LjL | Nafallo, have you suggested just joining the right channel (assuming there is any, not sure #nokia would take unlocking questions)? no need to actually state "you are offtopic and can't talk about this in this channel" (especially if you don't *want* that to be the policy) | 15:12 |
| LjL | but more often than not, just saying "have you tried asking in #blah?" works in #ubuntu without a need to mention offtopicness | 15:12 |
| Nafallo | LjL: yea. just annoying user adding the last drop to the wheel I guess ;-) | 15:14 |
| Nafallo | anyway. I've been talking it through with amelia that might have added to the situation a bit in private as well :-) | 15:15 |
| Nafallo | I think we will go back to any topic, and I urged her to move support to the correct channels :-) | 15:16 |
| Nafallo | actually, she might be op soon ;-) | 15:20 |
| Nafallo | I've raised the issue with the others :-) | 15:20 |
| Nafallo | LjL: hmm. maybe ubuntu bugs added as well? that might get people to file more bugs I'm thinking :-) | 15:35 |
| Seveas | @config channel #ubuntu-se plugins.bugtracker.bugsnarfer True | 15:37 |
| Seveas | @config channel #ubuntu-se plugins.bugtracker.bugsnarfer True | 15:37 |
| ubotu | OK | 15:37 |
| Seveas | LjL, you can do that too :) | 15:38 |
| LjL | Seveas: doesn't it require #channel,op cap? | 15:38 |
| Nafallo | Seveas: cheers mate :-) | 15:38 |
| LjL | @config channel #ubuntu-se plugins.bugtracker.bugsnarfer True | 15:38 |
| Seveas | LjL, or superuser, which you should have | 15:38 |
| LjL | [16:38:34] <ubotu> Error: You don't have the #ubuntu-se,op capability. | 15:38 |
| Seveas | hmm | 15:38 |
| LjL | Seveas: supybot is weird... "admin" lets me join it channels and part them, but not actually change any channel settings | 15:39 |
| Seveas | LjL, did you make it join more channels recently? | 15:39 |
| LjL | supybot's permissions scheme sucks, in other words :) | 15:39 |
| Seveas | it does :) | 15:39 |
| LjL | Seveas: i joined it to one -us channel on request i think, let me check logs (it'd help if you had memoserv unlocked by the way... >:) | 15:40 |
| Seveas | I always for get to read memos :) | 15:41 |
| Seveas | that's why I disabled it | 15:41 |
| LjL | Seveas: yes i joined it to #ubuntu-us-nm on tritium's request | 15:41 |
| Seveas | k | 15:41 |
| Nafallo | ompaul: like in, nothing for other ubuntu-channels ;-) | 16:35 |
| ompaul | Nafallo, ;-) | 16:36 |
| juliux | LjL, ping | 20:51 |
| LjL | juliux: pong | 20:59 |
| juliux | allready fixed sorry for the ping | 20:59 |
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