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| ScottK2 | Does anyone know if we even need ia32-libs-kde anymore? I'm kind of thinking not after it not being updated for two releases... | 05:07 | 
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| ScottK2 | nixternal: You've got amd64... Do we need it ^^^ | 05:08 | 
| nixternal | I don't use it | 05:09 | 
| ScottK2 | Do you use ooo? | 05:15 | 
| ScottK2 | nixternal: Would you please confirm the Open Office works without it? That seems to be all it was set up for. | 05:15 | 
| nareshov | ScottK2: aptitude show openoffice.org-kde | 05:16 | 
| ScottK2 | nareshov: Interesting, but orthogonal to the question. | 05:17 | 
| nareshov | ok ;[ | 05:17 | 
| ScottK2 | No problem. | 05:17 | 
| ScottK2 | That's KDE integration for all archs. The ia32libs package was just for KDE OOO support on amd64. | 05:18 | 
| nareshov | ah | 05:23 | 
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| buz | i assume the oversized live cds are a known issue? | 07:30 | 
| Lure | testers of knetworkmanager 0.2.2 wanted: https://launchpad.net/~lure/+archive | 08:14 | 
| Lure | report results to Riddell, so that he can decide if this should go in Hardy on not | 08:14 | 
| Lure | if you use VPN with knetworkmanager, please test | 08:14 | 
| jpatrick | apachelogger: *shrug* :( | 09:16 | 
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| * smarter wonders if KDE4 will run well on his Asus EEE | 10:30 | |
| Nightrose | smarter: there was a howto on eeeusers.com or something like that | 10:32 | 
| Nightrose | sounded ok | 10:32 | 
| smarter | putting the Kubuntu KDE4 liveCD on a usb key is not that hard ;) | 10:33 | 
| smarter | but I was wondering if it will be fast enough to be usable | 10:33 | 
| Nightrose | hehe sure but he also wrote a little about the experience | 10:33 | 
| smarter | KDE4 is so slow with my other laptop(Pentium M 1,73 GHz/512 Mo/ATi Radeon Mobility X600) :/ | 10:34 | 
| smarter | probably related to the ati driver | 10:34 | 
| * Nightrose hopes all works out and she gets an eeepc soon too | 10:35 | |
| Nightrose | my other laptop is dying :( | 10:35 | 
| Riddell | smarter: I believe it works, seaLne tried it | 10:41 | 
| allee | Riddell: my kubuntu-members membership expires in a week. Can you re-new it? | 10:56 | 
| jpatrick | Riddell: yes, me too please :) | 10:57 | 
| smarter | membership expires? | 10:57 | 
| jpatrick | smarter: after two years | 10:57 | 
| allee | smarter: you need to be a launchpad gold-sponsor to have non-expiring membership ;) | 10:57 | 
| Hobbsee | allee: i thought people could renew it themselves? | 11:02 | 
| jpatrick | Hobbsee: not anymore | 11:02 | 
| allee | Hobbsee: policy setting somewhere? | 11:03 | 
| * Riddell looks | 11:04 | |
| * Hobbsee could renew it herself, but is a team admin | 11:04 | |
| Riddell | allee: try now | 11:04 | 
| awen_ | Riddell: "next meeting" in the channel topic needs an update | 11:05 | 
| * allee tries ... | 11:05 | |
| Riddell | https://edge.launchpad.net/~kubuntu-members/+member/allee | 11:06 | 
| allee | Riddell: this page gives: not allowed | 11:06 | 
| allee | when I click on kubuntu-member link in my 'home-page', there's only a leave button | 11:07 | 
| jpatrick | awen_: what's the meeting on saturday? | 11:07 | 
| Riddell | allee: ok, maybe the change I made doesn't update for people with existing notifications | 11:08 | 
| Riddell | awen_: yes, we need to decide when to have one | 11:09 | 
| * awen- curses the unreliable university wireless network | 11:09 | |
| awen- | Riddell: okay, that's why no new date has been presented | 11:10 | 
| Riddell | possibly wednesday would do | 11:11 | 
| awen- | ScottK: did you have a chance to look at the mountconfig/ipod problem... it still annoys me, that to me it looks like the error message doesn't match what happens | 11:18 | 
| etretyak | awen-: i have an ipod.. i could test | 11:22 | 
| awen- | etretyak: i will remember that if get a patch of some sort made :) ... but right now the error message seems to me made just to confuse me | 11:25 | 
| nareshov | Riddell: is it possible to build kmail/knode for 4.0.3 ? | 11:30 | 
| Riddell | nareshov: no, it doesn't exist | 11:31 | 
| nareshov | for 4.1 then? hmm ;[ | 11:31 | 
| Riddell | sure, we'll do it then | 11:33 | 
| ScottK | awen-: No. I haven't had a chance to look. | 12:40 | 
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| serega | kdday | 14:02 | 
| ScottK | Riddell: Is ia32-libs-kde needed anymore? It hasn't be updated since Feisty, so I'm guessing not. I'm thinking it should either be updated or removed. | 14:05 | 
| Riddell | ScottK: I don't think it has been needed since openoffice got an amd64 version | 14:10 | 
| ScottK | Riddell: Sounds reasonable. Will you just remove it or should I file a bug? | 14:10 | 
| Riddell | ScottK: file a bug please (also file one to remove webkitkde if you're feeling helpful :) | 14:11 | 
| ScottK | Sure. | 14:11 | 
| ScottK | Riddell: What's the rationale for that one? | 14:11 | 
| Riddell | ScottK: it doesn't work | 14:13 | 
| ScottK | That applies to an unfortunately large chunk of universe. Is this one especially broken? | 14:14 | 
| Hobbsee | Riddell: any chance you could action https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/212801 ? | 14:15 | 
| ubotu | Launchpad bug 212801 in gnome-desktop-sharp2 "Please promote to main on powerpc" [Medium,Fix released] | 14:15 | 
| Hobbsee | oh, ti's done now | 14:16 | 
| Riddell | ScottK: it doesn't work and it confuses people about the status of webkit and KDE | 14:18 | 
| Nightrose | jjesse: https://bugs.edge.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+bug/213331 | 14:19 | 
| ubotu | Launchpad bug 213331 in ubuntu "usb mounted dir persist after logout" [Undecided,Confirmed] | 14:19 | 
| ScottK | Riddell: Fair enough. | 14:19 | 
| jjesse | Nightrose: yes? | 14:19 | 
| jjesse | oh yes my email is ent to the mailing list | 14:19 | 
| Nightrose | right ;-) | 14:19 | 
| Riddell | ah, jjesse, did you get a kubuntu-members reminder? | 14:20 | 
| ScottK | Bug #213344 is done. | 14:20 | 
| ubotu | Launchpad bug 213344 in ia32-libs-kde "Please remove ia32-libs-kde source and binary from Hardy" [Medium,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/213344 | 14:20 | 
| jjesse | no it was the email to list about usb drive problems | 14:21 | 
| ScottK | Riddell: Bug #211290 | 14:46 | 
| ubotu | Launchpad bug 211290 in webkitkde "Please remove webkitkde from Hardy (release) and Gutsy (backports)" [Medium,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/211290 | 14:46 | 
| Riddell | ScottK: thanks | 14:47 | 
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| === jjesse_VACATION is now known as jjesse_vacation_ | ||
| Nightrose | Riddell: in case you have not seen it yet: http://dot.kde.org/1207571674/1207574439/ ;-) | 16:02 | 
| Riddell | bwahahahah! | 16:02 | 
| Nightrose | :P | 16:03 | 
| Tonio_ | Riddell: hey ;) | 16:29 | 
| Tonio_ | Riddell: I have a question regarding to auto-completion in konqueror search bar | 16:29 | 
| Tonio_ | Riddell: was that with a patch ? | 16:29 | 
| Riddell | Tonio_: yes | 16:33 | 
| Tonio_ | Riddell: there is a very annoying bug with it | 16:33 | 
| Tonio_ | Riddell: everytime you type in, prompt goes to the end of the line | 16:33 | 
| Riddell | Tonio_: has ze been annoying you? :) | 16:37 | 
| Tonio_ | Riddell: yep, and other people reporting me the issue ;) | 16:38 | 
| Tonio_ | Riddell: type in something and try to add a word in the middle -> impossible | 16:38 | 
| Riddell | Tonio_: works for me | 16:51 | 
| Riddell | Tonio_: oh, I see what you mean | 16:51 | 
| fdoving | hello. | 16:58 | 
| Riddell | hi fdoving | 16:59 | 
| fdoving | hi riddell, i mailed you about my kubuntu-membership, launchpad says it is about to expire. can you have a look at that? | 17:01 | 
| Riddell | fdoving: and you still love us and want to be renewed for another year? | 17:03 | 
| fdoving | Riddell: i do. if you want me for another year :) | 17:04 | 
| Riddell | fdoving: done! | 17:05 | 
| fdoving | thanks :) | 17:05 | 
| Riddell | Tonio_: you want yours renewed? | 17:05 | 
| Riddell | jjesse_vacation_, ah | 17:05 | 
| klerfayt | hi. Can we expect plasma themes to render right at some point in kubuntu hardy kde4? | 17:06 | 
| fdoving | i have loads of issues with hardy by the way. dbus-daemon is crashing, graphical artifacts on intel etc. all works on a livecd, so i believe it's a upgrade-path-problem somehow. | 17:06 | 
| Tonio_ | Riddell: please ;) | 17:06 | 
| Riddell | raphink? | 17:06 | 
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| Riddell | freeflying? | 17:06 | 
| Riddell | robotgeek? | 17:07 | 
| Riddell | awooga, we have kubuntu-kde4 CDs again | 18:04 | 
| Nightrose | \o/ | 18:05 | 
| nixternal | oi oi | 19:00 | 
| Riddell | hi nixternal, fancy doing a dot story about qtcentre's programming contest? | 19:00 | 
| nixternal | sure, have a link I could steal from? | 19:00 | 
| nixternal | I mean borrow from :) | 19:00 | 
| Riddell | nixternal: bounced | 19:01 | 
| fdoving | hmm. are the virtualbox modules for 2.6.24-14 missing from archive.ubuntu.com ? | 19:01 | 
| nixternal | that was fast | 19:01 | 
| nixternal | fdoving: thought they got upgraded...but -15 is out now | 19:02 | 
| fdoving | nixternal: ok. then i'll just wait. waiting sucks. :) | 19:02 | 
| nixternal | hehe, that it does | 19:04 | 
| * fdoving did a trick. | 19:04 | |
| fdoving | i added archive.ubuntu.com to sources list, after the se. mirror, which seems to give me a whole load of new packages. :) | 19:05 | 
| Nightrose | Riddell: for some reason the rss feed at http://www.kde.org/dotkdeorg.rdf doesn't include the last commit digest yet | 19:05 | 
| nixternal | fdoving: ya, I just went directly with archive.ubuntu.com because I got tired of the mirrors syncing | 19:05 | 
| fdoving | nixternal: if you add your local mirror before archive.ubuntu.com packges there will be downloaded from it. and archive.ubuntu.com only used for packages that do not exist on your local mirror. | 19:06 | 
| fdoving | bah, that was not very well explained. | 19:06 | 
| nixternal | I got what you were saying though | 19:07 | 
| fdoving | good :) | 19:07 | 
| neversfelde|mobi | I did not know that. kool | 19:08 | 
| Riddell | Nightrose: wait a while and complain to danimo if it doesn't appear | 19:09 | 
| Nightrose | ok | 19:09 | 
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| _StefanS_ | Tonio_: hey, did you get my mail ? | 19:36 | 
| Tonio_ | _StefanS_: about ? | 19:38 | 
| _StefanS_ | Tonio_: I wrote on the static network dialog | 19:38 | 
| Tonio_ | _StefanS_: super :) | 19:39 | 
| Tonio_ | _StefanS_: on my side, cause I had to for a client, I fixed knetworkconf :/ | 19:39 | 
| Tonio_ | _StefanS_: I wanted to ping you but you were not there | 19:39 | 
| _StefanS_ | Tonio_: oh great then | 19:39 | 
| Tonio_ | _StefanS_: btw, it the patch works, the patch can go in obviously :) | 19:39 | 
| Tonio_ | _StefanS_: can you resend the mail ? I can't see it | 19:39 | 
| _StefanS_ | Tonio_: I noticed an updated knetworkconf, good work. | 19:39 | 
| _StefanS_ | Tonio_: I just resent it. | 19:40 | 
| * _StefanS_ is going to get the coffee. | 19:40 | |
| Tonio_ | I had your email on friday, but no patch in it | 19:40 | 
| _StefanS_ | Tonio_: well nope, but didnt you read it through ? :) | 19:42 | 
| _StefanS_ | Tonio_: I had to give up on it | 19:42 | 
| Tonio_ | ho so it is the friday mail :) | 19:42 | 
| Tonio_ | okay then I have it | 19:42 | 
| Tonio_ | _StefanS_: no problem then since knetworkconf is globally fixed | 19:42 | 
| _StefanS_ | Tonio_: sorry about it, but atleast I tried :) | 19:43 | 
| _StefanS_ | Tonio_: important thing is that it works. | 19:43 | 
| _StefanS_ | now. | 19:43 | 
| _StefanS_ | so who put in that horse that briefly appeared in kubuntu-default-settings ? :) | 19:44 | 
| _StefanS_ | that was surprising. | 19:44 | 
| CheGuevara | Changed-By: Michael Anderson <nosrednaekim at gmail.com> | 19:45 | 
| _StefanS_ | heh | 19:45 | 
| _StefanS_ | I was hoping for a comment :D | 19:45 | 
| Tonio_ | _StefanS_: you tried, that's fine :) | 19:45 | 
| _StefanS_ | Tonio_: yep. | 19:46 | 
| CheGuevara | i missed it as well | 19:46 | 
| CheGuevara | (the horse) | 19:46 | 
| nixternal | Riddell: at the Flourish conference at the University of Illinois @ Chicago, their ACM and LUG expressed interest in providing space for US based UDS' in the future if you want to pass that on | 19:50 | 
| nixternal | they have a very nice space, and they have deals with the local hotels, plus there are hostels in the area, and also the possibility of providing dorm rooms to the guests | 19:51 | 
| Riddell | nixternal: e-mail claire.newman @canonical.com | 19:51 | 
| nixternal | will do | 19:51 | 
| nixternal | Riddell: I told you that the UIC crowd would calm down and get back on the Ubuntu wagon :) | 19:58 | 
| Nightrose | nixternal: you still didn't tell us about your kde talk with a gnome shirt! :P | 19:59 | 
| CheGuevara | lol | 20:00 | 
| * Nightrose grummles at the GSoC mentor page | 20:00 | |
| Nightrose | how am I ever going to get trough 200 and something proposals :( | 20:00 | 
| nixternal | Nightrose: the gnome shirt didn't fit :( | 20:01 | 
| Nightrose | awwwwwwwwwwww :( | 20:01 | 
| nixternal | I was so sick during my talk as well | 20:01 | 
| nixternal | and was being rushed to finish it quickly | 20:01 | 
| Nightrose | :/ | 20:01 | 
| Nightrose | sounds like my last talk... | 20:01 | 
| nixternal | note to self: do not go out the night before your talk and drink A LOT of Guiness | 20:01 | 
| Nightrose | hehe | 20:01 | 
| CheGuevara | lol | 20:02 | 
| nixternal | and then the morning of my talk, I tried the Bruce Perens diet of a ton of coffee, donuts, sandwiches, and cheese, but after 4 donuts, 2 sandwiches, 3 cubes of cheese, and a lot of coffee, I was looking for a stomach saviour | 20:03 | 
| Nightrose | oO | 20:03 | 
| nixternal | wow, that is a bad connection of you connect and disconnect right away | 20:04 | 
| seele | nixternal: did you eat that all at once? | 20:05 | 
| nixternal | I tried to keep up with Bruce... | 20:06 | 
| * seele wonders how anyone can eat 4 donuts at once without going in to hyperglycemic shock | 20:06 | |
| Nightrose | +1 | 20:06 | 
| nixternal | they were little donuts, and tasty at that | 20:06 | 
| nixternal | well, I did 2 donuts, waited about 30 minutes and grabbed 2 more | 20:06 | 
| nixternal | then 30 minutes later grabbed 2 of these little sandwiches they had and 3 small cheese cubes, which were very tasty | 20:07 | 
| daSkreech | you aren't supposed to eat a box of donuts at once? | 20:07 | 
| nixternal | I guess not | 20:07 | 
| nixternal | but BP can do it...we laughed so hard at him...the only time he didn't have a plate of food, is when he was talking | 20:07 | 
| * daSkreech should remember that for his next box of donuts | 20:07 | |
| nixternal | waiting for the pictures of him holding an Ubuntu CD | 20:08 | 
| nixternal | which btw, John Maddog Hall and Bruce Perens, both run Ubuntu, and both gave mad props to Ubuntu when beating up the Microsoft representative | 20:09 | 
| Nightrose | *lol* | 20:09 | 
| * ScottK2 noticed sabdfl mentioned having a Kubuntu machine at home in his blog today. | 20:09 | |
| daSkreech | He has one for his family | 20:10 | 
| nixternal | ScottK: he mentioned that 2 years ago, but it is nice to know he finally turned it on, if only using it for 30 minutes to update to Hardy :p | 20:10 | 
| daSkreech | As I recall he said he never uses that machine | 20:10 | 
| daSkreech | he does all his work from cl in any ase | 20:10 | 
| nixternal | yup | 20:10 | 
| fdoving | doesn't everyone? :) | 20:10 | 
| fdoving | .. do all their work on the commandline? | 20:11 | 
| nixternal | I do | 20:11 | 
| fdoving | me too. | 20:11 | 
| nixternal | except writing this dot post | 20:11 | 
| ScottK | Lietenant Skat doesn't run from command line though (my current #1 procrastination tool). | 20:11 | 
| * Nightrose doesn't :P (at least not all) | 20:11 | |
| Nightrose | *g* ScottK | 20:11 | 
| * Nightrose better doesn't give it a try | 20:12 | |
| * daSkreech rereads pinotree's blont | 20:12 | |
| ScottK | There's a problem with the scores not showing if you have a wide screen monitor if you want to try it while pretending to bugfix. | 20:12 | 
| Nightrose | :P I have a widescreen.... | 20:13 | 
| ScottK | Actually I think it's a symptom of something wider as I see it in Konqueror sometimes | 20:13 | 
| ScottK | Nightrose: Would you please start a game and tell me if you can see the score while a game is playing? | 20:13 | 
| Nightrose | ok - will check | 20:13 | 
| Nightrose | damn you - now you made me start it anyway! | 20:14 | 
| Nightrose | :P | 20:14 | 
| ScottK | Thanks. | 20:14 | 
| ScottK | It's all for a good cause. | 20:14 | 
| Nightrose | hehe sure | 20:14 | 
| nixternal | heh, at Flourish the Microsoft representative said some of the most fascinating things | 20:15 | 
| nixternal | like people use Microsoft products to reduce carbon emissions and cure cancerous tumors | 20:15 | 
| daSkreech | nixternal: is there video of this anywhere? | 20:15 | 
| nixternal | there will be in the next week or so | 20:15 | 
| Nightrose | ScottK: I can see the two blue things showing the players - anything else? | 20:15 | 
| daSkreech | I thought that's what the PS3 was for :) | 20:15 | 
| ScottK | Nightrose: Does it show the score? | 20:16 | 
| Nightrose | jep | 20:16 | 
| ScottK | OK. Then it's not a generic widescreen problem. | 20:16 | 
| ScottK | Thanks. | 20:16 | 
| Nightrose | no prob | 20:16 | 
| yuriy | what is this game? | 20:17 | 
| Nightrose | yuriy: LSkat | 20:17 | 
| Nightrose | nixternal: please post links when the video is available ;-) | 20:17 | 
| nixternal | I will blog it for sure | 20:18 | 
| Nightrose | ok | 20:18 | 
| ScottK | awen-: What do you think about splitting brightness control out of guidance-power-manager into a separate binary for Intrepid. We still need brightness control for KDE4 and sinced that part has no U/I it should be easy to use with KDE4. | 20:19 | 
| Lure | Tonio_: do you still have/use VPN in knetworkmanager? | 20:20 | 
| Tonio_ | Lure: not anymore... | 20:21 | 
| Tonio_ | Lure: a problem with it ? | 20:21 | 
| awen- | ScottK: sounds very sensible I think | 20:21 | 
| Lure | Tonio_: no, I prepared knetworkmanager 0.2.2 merge with debian and would like to have at least on VPN tester | 20:22 | 
| ScottK | You're most familiar with that part of the code right now ... | 20:22 | 
| ScottK | awen-: ^^^ | 20:22 | 
| fdoving | Lure: does openvpn count? | 20:22 | 
| Lure | Tonio_: you can anyway test it - it is in my PPA | 20:22 | 
| Lure | ^^^ others are invited too | 20:22 | 
| Tonio_ | Lure: okay :) | 20:22 | 
| Lure | fdoving: yes, if you use it though knetworkmanager | 20:22 | 
| Tonio_ | Lure: which plugin is it ? | 20:22 | 
| awen- | ScottK: that's hard to disagree with :) ... what about suspend / hibernation buttons, is that our job too, or is it handled already? | 20:23 | 
| fdoving | Lure: i have used your knetworkmanager since you announced it here yesterday, not tested vpn yet, but i could try to make one of my openvpn tunnels work. no issues in "regular use" so far. | 20:23 | 
| Lure | fdoving: there is network-manager-openvpn which should give you VPN options in knetworkmanager | 20:24 | 
| Lure | fdoving: and thanks for testing it | 20:24 | 
| fdoving | Lure: it needs an 'import openvpn-config' feature :) | 20:24 | 
| ScottK | awen-: IIRC Riddell said they had tools for that in KDE4 already. It was just brightness that was missing. | 20:24 | 
| Lure | fdoving: submit wishlist ;-) | 20:25 | 
| Lure | ScottK: afair, suse is working on kpowersave for kde4 (but it is in their repository, so not sure what is progress) | 20:25 | 
| Lure | ScottK: but not sure about brightness | 20:25 | 
| fdoving | Lure: does it log to anywhere? | 20:25 | 
| awen- | ScottK: okay ... so only brightness | 20:26 | 
| Lure | fdoving: probably just stdout of network-manager logs (syslog?) | 20:26 | 
| ScottK | Lure: It seems sensible to just steal it out of Guidance rather than reinvent it. | 20:26 | 
| Lure | ScottK: probably, but they will probably go c++ as kpowersave | 20:27 | 
| Lure | ScottK: I suspect we need to wait for suse 11 release to see what they are up to | 20:27 | 
| awen- | ScottK and Lure: but if suse has a complete tool, that works, that wouldn't be bad either | 20:27 | 
| ScottK | Agreed. | 20:27 | 
| ScottK | I didn't know about that. | 20:27 | 
| awen- | Lure: when is suse 11 set to launch? | 20:27 | 
| Lure | awen-: I recall seenig 70+ days to release in some blog | 20:28 | 
| Lure | awen-: so in a month or so they should have some beta with basic functionality | 20:28 | 
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| fdoving | Lure: doesn't really work with my configuration anyway. | 20:29 | 
| fdoving | Lure: http://kde.pastey.net/85275 | 20:30 | 
| Lure | fdoving: not supported in config dialogs or just breaks | 20:30 | 
| Lure | bad | 20:30 | 
| awen- | Lure: that should give us time enough to see if it is worth looking at for intrepid | 20:30 | 
| fdoving | Lure: not supported inf config dialogs, might be the cause of the breakage. | 20:30 | 
| Lure | problem is I am not sure if this is regression, since you did not use it before, right? | 20:30 | 
| fdoving | i did not use it before. | 20:31 | 
| Lure | fdoving: anyway, thanks for trying | 20:31 | 
| fdoving | i'll have a look at the config, see if i can change anything with vim. | 20:31 | 
| Lure | fdoving: it will still be Riddell's call if he want to include it this late in release cycle | 20:31 | 
| nixternal | Riddell: dot story posted on the contest...I think I am going to register for it this time around | 20:32 | 
| fdoving | Lure: i can't get it to work with my openvpn setup, even when hacking the config to add my options. | 20:42 | 
| paran | anybody here know anything about scim? bug #206302 makes kde4 almost unuseable, but I don't even know where to start looking for the cause. | 20:49 | 
| ubotu | Launchpad bug 206302 in scim "scim fails to initialize, segfaults, makes kde4 apps take long to load" [Undecided,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/206302 | 20:49 | 
| paran | the solution used by me, and other who have confirmed it, is simply to remove all scim-packages. but that doesn't really solve the problem | 20:49 | 
| ScottK2 | Riddell: Any thoughts on the fix in Bug #209227 - I can replicate the problem. | 20:55 | 
| ubotu | Launchpad bug 209227 in qt-x11-free "KDE3 icons flickering" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/209227 | 20:55 | 
| fdoving | ScottK2: are you able to reproduce that? - i can | 21:02 | 
| fdoving | 't | 21:02 | 
| Riddell | ScottK2: I can't see the problem | 21:02 | 
| Riddell | ScottK2: but the patch doesn't seem overly invasive | 21:05 | 
| Riddell | paran: ArneGoetje knows all about it | 21:06 | 
| Riddell | on #u-d | 21:06 | 
| Riddell | fdoving: knetworkmanager 0.2.2 not working for you? | 21:06 | 
| fdoving | Riddell: it works for every normal operation. i just couldn't make openvpn work with it. | 21:07 | 
| fdoving | then again i did not use openvpn with it before either. | 21:07 | 
| fdoving | it seems it doesn't support the options my setup requires. | 21:07 | 
| fdoving | then it asserts out on some crypto.c stuff | 21:07 | 
| Riddell | fdoving: able to try the one from the current ubuntu archive? | 21:10 | 
| fdoving | Riddell: sure. | 21:10 | 
| fdoving | Riddell: the operation that ends in an assert is nm-openvpn, not knetworkmanager. so i don't blame knetworkmanager. | 21:11 | 
| fdoving | but i'm downgrading now, just to test. | 21:11 | 
| fdoving | Riddell: now it actually works in both versions. so it's a success. i probably did something wrong in my config then. both works, all good :) | 21:17 | 
| Riddell | fdoving: rocking | 21:18 | 
| * fdoving adds more vpn entries for everything. | 21:23 | |
| fdoving | the only evil side-effect is that /usr/lib/network-manager-openvpn/nm-openvpn-service uses 99% CPU. | 21:27 | 
| fdoving | .. and i can only connect to one vpn at the time. | 21:28 | 
| Riddell | Sime: seen this with Jim's python-kde4 in 4.0.3? http://paste.ubuntu.com/6579/ | 21:41 | 
| Riddell | Sime: ah, cp ./sip/kdeui/kdeui-kde402.diff ./sip/kdeui/kdeui-kde403.diff | 21:43 | 
| Riddell | mark upgrades Kubuntu http://www.markshuttleworth.com/archives/142 | 21:51 | 
| CheGuevara | :P | 21:52 | 
| CheGuevara | meh if he runs kde at home, then why not support us more | 21:53 | 
| Sime | Riddell: isn't kde-bindings already packaged? | 21:55 | 
| Riddell | Sime: well we went back to jim's python-kde4 for 4.0.2 since he said it had improved bits in it | 21:56 | 
| Sime | not much was changed. Some kconfig stuff should work a bit better. | 21:57 | 
| ScottK | awen-: Bug 213128 appears to have some useful information in it now. | 23:27 | 
| ubotu | Launchpad bug 213128 in kde-guidance "[Hardy] Guidance-power-manager doesn't know when laptop is mains unplugged" [Undecided,Incomplete] https://launchpad.net/bugs/213128 | 23:28 | 
| * Nightrose bounces | 23:30 | |
| awen- | ScottK: thanks ... I've asked some additional questions | 23:41 | 
| ScottK | Great. Thanks for keeping on it. | 23:42 | 
| awen- | ScottK: ahh... found it anyway myself | 23:47 | 
| awen- | ScottK: his ac adapter is reported as "present" (plugged in) by HAL even when it is not | 23:47 | 
| ScottK | That makes it kind of tough. | 23:48 | 
| awen- | package "hal" ? ... or is there some sort of sub-package? | 23:48 | 
| awen- | ScottK: and I suppose we should mark it as invalid regarding kde-guidance... | 23:50 | 
| ScottK | awen-: Would it be insane to assume if the battery is charging that it's plugged in? | 23:52 | 
| ScottK | I wonder what it produces when the battery is fully charged? | 23:52 | 
| ScottK | Or maybe the reverse, assume if it's discharging it's not plugged. | 23:53 | 
| awen- | ScottK: that only works if we can assume that when it is fully charged it doesn't report as charging + discharging | 23:55 | 
| ScottK | So maybe we need to find out. | 23:56 | 
| awen- | ScottK: actually, right now we only use the ac_adapter.present value for determining the state | 23:58 | 
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