[05:07] <ScottK2> Does anyone know if we even need ia32-libs-kde anymore?  I'm kind of thinking not after it not being updated for two releases...
[05:08] <ScottK2> nixternal: You've got amd64...  Do we need it ^^^
[05:09] <nixternal> I don't use it
[05:15] <ScottK2> Do you use ooo?
[05:15] <ScottK2> nixternal: Would you please confirm the Open Office works without it?  That seems to be all it was set up for.
[05:16] <nareshov> ScottK2: aptitude show openoffice.org-kde
[05:17] <ScottK2> nareshov: Interesting, but orthogonal to the question.
[05:17] <nareshov> ok ;[
[05:17] <ScottK2> No problem.
[05:18] <ScottK2> That's KDE integration for all archs.  The ia32libs package was just for KDE OOO support on amd64.
[05:23] <nareshov> ah
[07:30] <buz> i assume the oversized live cds are a known issue?
[08:14] <Lure> testers of knetworkmanager 0.2.2 wanted: https://launchpad.net/~lure/+archive
[08:14] <Lure> report results to Riddell, so that he can decide if this should go in Hardy on not
[08:14] <Lure> if you use VPN with knetworkmanager, please test
[09:16] <jpatrick> apachelogger: *shrug* :(
[10:30]  * smarter wonders if KDE4 will run well on his Asus EEE
[10:32] <Nightrose> smarter: there was a howto on eeeusers.com or something like that
[10:32] <Nightrose> sounded ok
[10:33] <smarter> putting the Kubuntu KDE4 liveCD on a usb key is not that hard ;)
[10:33] <smarter> but I was wondering if it will be fast enough to be usable
[10:33] <Nightrose> hehe sure but he also wrote a little about the experience
[10:34] <smarter> KDE4 is so slow with my other laptop(Pentium M 1,73 GHz/512 Mo/ATi Radeon Mobility X600) :/
[10:34] <smarter> probably related to the ati driver
[10:35]  * Nightrose hopes all works out and she gets an eeepc soon too
[10:35] <Nightrose> my other laptop is dying :(
[10:41] <Riddell> smarter: I believe it works, seaLne tried it
[10:56] <allee> Riddell: my kubuntu-members membership expires in a week.  Can you re-new it?
[10:57] <jpatrick> Riddell: yes, me too please :)
[10:57] <smarter> membership expires?
[10:57] <jpatrick> smarter: after two years
[10:57] <allee> smarter: you need to be a launchpad gold-sponsor to have non-expiring membership ;)
[11:02] <Hobbsee> allee: i thought people could renew it themselves?
[11:02] <jpatrick> Hobbsee: not anymore
[11:03] <allee> Hobbsee: policy setting somewhere?
[11:04]  * Riddell looks
[11:04]  * Hobbsee could renew it herself, but is a team admin
[11:04] <Riddell> allee: try now
[11:05] <awen_> Riddell: "next meeting" in the channel topic needs an update
[11:05]  * allee tries ...
[11:06] <Riddell> https://edge.launchpad.net/~kubuntu-members/+member/allee
[11:06] <allee> Riddell: this page gives: not allowed
[11:07] <allee> when I click on kubuntu-member link in my 'home-page', there's only a leave button
[11:07] <jpatrick> awen_: what's the meeting on saturday?
[11:08] <Riddell> allee: ok, maybe the change I made doesn't update for people with existing notifications
[11:09] <Riddell> awen_: yes, we need to decide when to have one
[11:09]  * awen- curses the unreliable university wireless network
[11:10] <awen-> Riddell: okay, that's why no new date has been presented
[11:11] <Riddell> possibly wednesday would do
[11:18] <awen-> ScottK: did you have a chance to look at the mountconfig/ipod problem... it still annoys me, that to me it looks like the error message doesn't match what happens
[11:22] <etretyak> awen-: i have an ipod.. i could test
[11:25] <awen-> etretyak: i will remember that if get a patch of some sort made :) ... but right now the error message seems to me made just to confuse me
[11:30] <nareshov> Riddell: is it possible to build kmail/knode for 4.0.3 ?
[11:31] <Riddell> nareshov: no, it doesn't exist
[11:31] <nareshov> for 4.1 then? hmm ;[
[11:33] <Riddell> sure, we'll do it then
[12:40] <ScottK> awen-: No.  I haven't had a chance to look.
[14:02] <serega> kdday
[14:05] <ScottK> Riddell: Is ia32-libs-kde needed anymore?  It hasn't be updated since Feisty, so I'm guessing not.  I'm thinking it should either be updated or removed.
[14:10] <Riddell> ScottK: I don't think it has been needed since openoffice got an amd64 version
[14:10] <ScottK> Riddell: Sounds reasonable.  Will you just remove it or should I file a bug?
[14:11] <Riddell> ScottK: file a bug please (also file one to remove webkitkde if you're feeling helpful :)
[14:11] <ScottK> Sure.
[14:11] <ScottK> Riddell: What's the rationale for that one?
[14:13] <Riddell> ScottK: it doesn't work
[14:14] <ScottK> That applies to an unfortunately large chunk of universe.  Is this one especially broken?
[14:15] <Hobbsee> Riddell: any chance you could action https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/212801 ?
[14:15] <ubotu> Launchpad bug 212801 in gnome-desktop-sharp2 "Please promote to main on powerpc" [Medium,Fix released]
[14:16] <Hobbsee> oh, ti's done now
[14:18] <Riddell> ScottK: it doesn't work and it confuses people about the status of webkit and KDE
[14:19] <Nightrose> jjesse: https://bugs.edge.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+bug/213331
[14:19] <ubotu> Launchpad bug 213331 in ubuntu "usb mounted dir persist after logout" [Undecided,Confirmed]
[14:19] <ScottK> Riddell: Fair enough.
[14:19] <jjesse> Nightrose: yes?
[14:19] <jjesse> oh yes my email is ent to the mailing list
[14:19] <Nightrose> right ;-)
[14:20] <Riddell> ah, jjesse, did you get a kubuntu-members reminder?
[14:20] <ScottK> Bug #213344 is done.
[14:20] <ubotu> Launchpad bug 213344 in ia32-libs-kde "Please remove ia32-libs-kde source and binary from Hardy" [Medium,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/213344
[14:21] <jjesse> no it was the email to list about usb drive problems
[14:46] <ScottK> Riddell: Bug #211290
[14:46] <ubotu> Launchpad bug 211290 in webkitkde "Please remove webkitkde from Hardy (release) and Gutsy (backports)" [Medium,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/211290
[14:47] <Riddell> ScottK: thanks
[16:02] <Nightrose> Riddell: in case you have not seen it yet: http://dot.kde.org/1207571674/1207574439/ ;-)
[16:02] <Riddell> bwahahahah!
[16:03] <Nightrose> :P
[16:29] <Tonio_> Riddell: hey ;)
[16:29] <Tonio_> Riddell: I have a question regarding to auto-completion in konqueror search bar
[16:29] <Tonio_> Riddell: was that with a patch ?
[16:33] <Riddell> Tonio_: yes
[16:33] <Tonio_> Riddell: there is a very annoying bug with it
[16:33] <Tonio_> Riddell: everytime you type in, prompt goes to the end of the line
[16:37] <Riddell> Tonio_: has ze been annoying you? :)
[16:38] <Tonio_> Riddell: yep, and other people reporting me the issue ;)
[16:38] <Tonio_> Riddell: type in something and try to add a word in the middle -> impossible
[16:51] <Riddell> Tonio_: works for me
[16:51] <Riddell> Tonio_: oh, I see what you mean
[16:58] <fdoving> hello.
[16:59] <Riddell> hi fdoving
[17:01] <fdoving> hi riddell, i mailed you about my kubuntu-membership, launchpad says it is about to expire. can you have a look at that?
[17:03] <Riddell> fdoving: and you still love us and want to be renewed for another year?
[17:04] <fdoving> Riddell: i do. if you want me for another year :)
[17:05] <Riddell> fdoving: done!
[17:05] <fdoving> thanks :)
[17:05] <Riddell> Tonio_: you want yours renewed?
[17:05] <Riddell> jjesse_vacation_, ah
[17:06] <klerfayt> hi. Can we expect plasma themes to render right at some point in kubuntu hardy kde4?
[17:06] <fdoving> i have loads of issues with hardy by the way. dbus-daemon is crashing, graphical artifacts on intel etc. all works on a livecd, so i believe it's a upgrade-path-problem somehow.
[17:06] <Tonio_> Riddell: please ;)
[17:06] <Riddell> raphink?
[17:06] <Riddell> freeflying?
[17:07] <Riddell> robotgeek?
[18:04] <Riddell> awooga, we have kubuntu-kde4 CDs again
[18:05] <Nightrose> \o/
[19:00] <nixternal> oi oi
[19:00] <Riddell> hi nixternal, fancy doing a dot story about qtcentre's programming contest?
[19:00] <nixternal> sure, have a link I could steal from?
[19:00] <nixternal> I mean borrow from :)
[19:01] <Riddell> nixternal: bounced
[19:01] <fdoving> hmm. are the  virtualbox modules for 2.6.24-14 missing from archive.ubuntu.com ?
[19:01] <nixternal> that was fast
[19:02] <nixternal> fdoving: thought they got upgraded...but -15 is out now
[19:02] <fdoving> nixternal: ok. then i'll just wait. waiting sucks. :)
[19:04] <nixternal> hehe, that it does
[19:04]  * fdoving did a trick.
[19:05] <fdoving> i added archive.ubuntu.com to sources list, after the se. mirror, which seems to give me a whole load of new packages. :)
[19:05] <Nightrose> Riddell: for some reason the rss feed at http://www.kde.org/dotkdeorg.rdf doesn't include the last commit digest yet
[19:05] <nixternal> fdoving: ya, I just went directly with archive.ubuntu.com because I got tired of the mirrors syncing
[19:06] <fdoving> nixternal: if you add your local mirror before archive.ubuntu.com packges there will be downloaded from it. and archive.ubuntu.com only used for packages that do not exist on your local mirror.
[19:06] <fdoving> bah, that was not very well explained.
[19:07] <nixternal> I got what you were saying though
[19:07] <fdoving> good :)
[19:08] <neversfelde|mobi> I did not know that. kool
[19:09] <Riddell> Nightrose: wait a while and complain to danimo if it doesn't appear
[19:09] <Nightrose> ok
[19:36] <_StefanS_> Tonio_: hey, did you get my mail ?
[19:38] <Tonio_> _StefanS_: about ?
[19:38] <_StefanS_> Tonio_: I wrote on the static network dialog
[19:39] <Tonio_> _StefanS_: super :)
[19:39] <Tonio_> _StefanS_: on my side, cause I had to for a client, I fixed knetworkconf :/
[19:39] <Tonio_> _StefanS_: I wanted to ping you but you were not there
[19:39] <_StefanS_> Tonio_: oh great then
[19:39] <Tonio_> _StefanS_: btw, it the patch works, the patch can go in obviously :)
[19:39] <Tonio_> _StefanS_: can you resend the mail ? I can't see it
[19:39] <_StefanS_> Tonio_: I noticed an updated knetworkconf, good work.
[19:40] <_StefanS_> Tonio_: I just resent it.
[19:40]  * _StefanS_ is going to get the coffee.
[19:40] <Tonio_> I had your email on friday, but no patch in it
[19:42] <_StefanS_> Tonio_: well nope, but didnt you read it through ? :)
[19:42] <_StefanS_> Tonio_: I had to give up on it
[19:42] <Tonio_> ho so it is the friday mail :)
[19:42] <Tonio_> okay then I have it
[19:42] <Tonio_> _StefanS_: no problem then since knetworkconf is globally fixed
[19:43] <_StefanS_> Tonio_: sorry about it, but atleast I tried :)
[19:43] <_StefanS_> Tonio_: important thing is that it works.
[19:43] <_StefanS_> now.
[19:44] <_StefanS_> so who put in that horse that briefly appeared in kubuntu-default-settings ? :)
[19:44] <_StefanS_> that was surprising.
[19:45] <CheGuevara> Changed-By: Michael Anderson <nosrednaekim at gmail.com>
[19:45] <_StefanS_> heh
[19:45] <_StefanS_> I was hoping for a comment :D
[19:45] <Tonio_> _StefanS_: you tried, that's fine :)
[19:46] <_StefanS_> Tonio_: yep.
[19:46] <CheGuevara> i missed it as well
[19:46] <CheGuevara> (the horse)
[19:50] <nixternal> Riddell: at the Flourish conference at the University of Illinois @ Chicago, their ACM and LUG expressed interest in providing space for US based UDS' in the future if you want to pass that on
[19:51] <nixternal> they have a very nice space, and they have deals with the local hotels, plus there are hostels in the area, and also the possibility of providing dorm rooms to the guests
[19:51] <Riddell> nixternal: e-mail claire.newman @canonical.com
[19:51] <nixternal> will do
[19:58] <nixternal> Riddell: I told you that the UIC crowd would calm down and get back on the Ubuntu wagon :)
[19:59] <Nightrose> nixternal: you still didn't tell us about your kde talk with a gnome shirt! :P
[20:00] <CheGuevara> lol
[20:00]  * Nightrose grummles at the GSoC mentor page
[20:00] <Nightrose> how am I ever going to get trough 200 and something proposals :(
[20:01] <nixternal> Nightrose: the gnome shirt didn't fit :(
[20:01] <Nightrose> awwwwwwwwwwww :(
[20:01] <nixternal> I was so sick during my talk as well
[20:01] <nixternal> and was being rushed to finish it quickly
[20:01] <Nightrose> :/
[20:01] <Nightrose> sounds like my last talk...
[20:01] <nixternal> note to self: do not go out the night before your talk and drink A LOT of Guiness
[20:01] <Nightrose> hehe
[20:02] <CheGuevara> lol
[20:03] <nixternal> and then the morning of my talk, I tried the Bruce Perens diet of a ton of coffee, donuts, sandwiches, and cheese, but after 4 donuts, 2 sandwiches, 3 cubes of cheese, and a lot of coffee, I was looking for a stomach saviour
[20:03] <Nightrose> oO
[20:04] <nixternal> wow, that is a bad connection of you connect and disconnect right away
[20:05] <seele> nixternal: did you eat that all at once?
[20:06] <nixternal> I tried to keep up with Bruce...
[20:06]  * seele wonders how anyone can eat 4 donuts at once without going in to hyperglycemic shock
[20:06] <Nightrose> +1
[20:06] <nixternal> they were little donuts, and tasty at that
[20:06] <nixternal> well, I did 2 donuts, waited about 30 minutes and grabbed 2 more
[20:07] <nixternal> then 30 minutes later grabbed 2 of these little sandwiches they had and 3 small cheese cubes, which were very tasty
[20:07] <daSkreech> you aren't supposed to eat a box of donuts at once?
[20:07] <nixternal> I guess not
[20:07] <nixternal> but BP can do it...we laughed so hard at him...the only time he didn't have a plate of food, is when he was talking
[20:07]  * daSkreech should remember that for his next box of donuts
[20:08] <nixternal> waiting for the pictures of him holding an Ubuntu CD
[20:09] <nixternal> which btw, John Maddog Hall and Bruce Perens, both run Ubuntu, and both gave mad props to Ubuntu when beating up the Microsoft representative
[20:09] <Nightrose> *lol*
[20:09]  * ScottK2 noticed sabdfl mentioned having a Kubuntu machine at home in his blog today.
[20:10] <daSkreech> He has one for his family
[20:10] <nixternal> ScottK: he mentioned that 2 years ago, but it is nice to know he finally turned it on, if only using it for 30 minutes to update to Hardy :p
[20:10] <daSkreech> As I recall he said he never uses that machine
[20:10] <daSkreech> he does all his work from cl in any ase
[20:10] <nixternal> yup
[20:10] <fdoving>  doesn't everyone? :)
[20:11] <fdoving> .. do all their work on the commandline?
[20:11] <nixternal> I do
[20:11] <fdoving> me too.
[20:11] <nixternal> except writing this dot post
[20:11] <ScottK> Lietenant Skat doesn't run from command line though (my current #1 procrastination tool).
[20:11]  * Nightrose doesn't :P  (at least not all)
[20:11] <Nightrose> *g* ScottK
[20:12]  * Nightrose better doesn't give it a try
[20:12]  * daSkreech rereads pinotree's blont
[20:12] <ScottK> There's a problem with the scores not showing if you have a wide screen monitor if you want to try it while pretending to bugfix.
[20:13] <Nightrose> :P I have a widescreen....
[20:13] <ScottK> Actually I think it's a symptom of something wider as I see it in Konqueror sometimes
[20:13] <ScottK> Nightrose: Would you please start a game and tell me if you can see the score while a game is playing?
[20:13] <Nightrose> ok - will check
[20:14] <Nightrose> damn you - now you made me start it anyway!
[20:14] <Nightrose> :P
[20:14] <ScottK> Thanks.
[20:14] <ScottK> It's all for a good cause.
[20:14] <Nightrose> hehe sure
[20:15] <nixternal> heh, at Flourish the Microsoft representative said some of the most fascinating things
[20:15] <nixternal> like people use Microsoft products to reduce carbon emissions and cure cancerous tumors
[20:15] <daSkreech> nixternal: is there video of this anywhere?
[20:15] <nixternal> there will be in the next week or so
[20:15] <Nightrose> ScottK: I can see the two blue things showing the players - anything else?
[20:15] <daSkreech> I thought that's what the PS3 was for :)
[20:16] <ScottK> Nightrose: Does it show the score?
[20:16] <Nightrose> jep
[20:16] <ScottK> OK.  Then it's not a generic widescreen problem.
[20:16] <ScottK> Thanks.
[20:16] <Nightrose> no prob
[20:17] <yuriy> what is this game?
[20:17] <Nightrose> yuriy: LSkat
[20:17] <Nightrose> nixternal: please post links when the video is available ;-)
[20:18] <nixternal> I will blog it for sure
[20:18] <Nightrose> ok
[20:19] <ScottK> awen-: What do you think about splitting brightness control out of guidance-power-manager into a separate binary for Intrepid.  We still need brightness control for KDE4 and sinced that part has no U/I it should be easy to use with KDE4.
[20:20] <Lure> Tonio_: do you still have/use VPN in knetworkmanager?
[20:21] <Tonio_> Lure: not anymore...
[20:21] <Tonio_> Lure: a problem with it ?
[20:21] <awen-> ScottK: sounds very sensible I think
[20:22] <Lure> Tonio_: no, I prepared knetworkmanager 0.2.2 merge with debian and would like to have at least on VPN tester
[20:22] <ScottK> You're most familiar with that part of the code right now ...
[20:22] <ScottK> awen-: ^^^
[20:22] <fdoving> Lure: does openvpn count?
[20:22] <Lure> Tonio_: you can anyway test it - it is in my PPA
[20:22] <Lure> ^^^ others are invited too
[20:22] <Tonio_> Lure: okay :)
[20:22] <Lure> fdoving: yes, if you use it though knetworkmanager
[20:22] <Tonio_> Lure: which plugin is it ?
[20:23] <awen-> ScottK: that's hard to disagree with :) ... what about suspend / hibernation buttons, is that our job too, or is it handled already?
[20:23] <fdoving> Lure: i have used your knetworkmanager since you announced it here yesterday, not tested vpn yet, but i could try to make one of my openvpn tunnels work. no issues in "regular use" so far.
[20:24] <Lure> fdoving: there is network-manager-openvpn which should give you VPN options in knetworkmanager
[20:24] <Lure> fdoving: and thanks for testing it
[20:24] <fdoving> Lure: it needs an 'import openvpn-config' feature :)
[20:24] <ScottK> awen-: IIRC Riddell said they had tools for that in KDE4 already.  It was just brightness that was missing.
[20:25] <Lure> fdoving: submit wishlist ;-)
[20:25] <Lure> ScottK: afair, suse is working on kpowersave for kde4 (but it is in their repository, so not sure what is progress)
[20:25] <Lure> ScottK: but not sure about brightness
[20:25] <fdoving> Lure: does it log to anywhere?
[20:26] <awen-> ScottK: okay ... so only brightness
[20:26] <Lure> fdoving: probably just stdout of network-manager logs (syslog?)
[20:26] <ScottK> Lure: It seems sensible to just steal it out of Guidance rather than reinvent it.
[20:27] <Lure> ScottK: probably, but they will probably go c++ as kpowersave
[20:27] <Lure> ScottK: I suspect we need to wait for suse 11 release to see what they are up to
[20:27] <awen-> ScottK and Lure: but if suse has a complete tool, that works, that wouldn't be bad either
[20:27] <ScottK> Agreed.
[20:27] <ScottK> I didn't know about that.
[20:27] <awen-> Lure: when is suse 11 set to launch?
[20:28] <Lure> awen-: I recall seenig 70+ days to release in some blog
[20:28] <Lure> awen-: so in a month or so they should have some beta with basic functionality
[20:29] <fdoving> Lure: doesn't really work with my configuration anyway.
[20:30] <fdoving> Lure: http://kde.pastey.net/85275
[20:30] <Lure> fdoving: not supported in config dialogs or just breaks
[20:30] <Lure> bad
[20:30] <awen-> Lure: that should give us time enough to see if it is worth looking at for intrepid
[20:30] <fdoving> Lure: not supported inf config dialogs, might be the cause of the breakage.
[20:30] <Lure> problem is I am not sure if this is regression, since you did not use it before, right?
[20:31] <fdoving> i did not use it before.
[20:31] <Lure> fdoving: anyway, thanks for trying
[20:31] <fdoving> i'll have a look at the config, see if i can change anything with vim.
[20:31] <Lure> fdoving: it will still be Riddell's call if he want to include it this late in release cycle
[20:32] <nixternal> Riddell: dot story posted on the contest...I think I am going to register for it this time around
[20:42] <fdoving> Lure: i can't get it to work with my openvpn setup, even when hacking the config to add my options.
[20:49] <paran> anybody here know anything about scim? bug #206302 makes kde4 almost unuseable, but I don't even know where to start looking for the cause.
[20:49] <ubotu> Launchpad bug 206302 in scim "scim fails to initialize, segfaults, makes kde4 apps take long to load" [Undecided,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/206302
[20:49] <paran> the solution used by me, and other who have confirmed it, is simply to remove all scim-packages. but that doesn't really solve the problem
[20:55] <ScottK2> Riddell: Any thoughts on the fix in Bug #209227 - I can replicate the problem.
[20:55] <ubotu> Launchpad bug 209227 in qt-x11-free "KDE3 icons flickering" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/209227
[21:02] <fdoving> ScottK2: are you able to reproduce that? - i can
[21:02] <fdoving> 't
[21:02] <Riddell> ScottK2: I can't see the problem
[21:05] <Riddell> ScottK2: but the patch doesn't seem overly invasive
[21:06] <Riddell> paran: ArneGoetje knows all about it
[21:06] <Riddell> on #u-d
[21:06] <Riddell> fdoving: knetworkmanager 0.2.2 not working for you?
[21:07] <fdoving> Riddell: it works for every normal operation. i just couldn't make openvpn work with it.
[21:07] <fdoving> then again i did not use openvpn with it before either.
[21:07] <fdoving> it seems it doesn't support the options my setup requires.
[21:07] <fdoving> then it asserts out on some crypto.c stuff
[21:10] <Riddell> fdoving: able to try the one from the current ubuntu archive?
[21:10] <fdoving> Riddell: sure.
[21:11] <fdoving> Riddell: the operation that ends in an assert is nm-openvpn, not knetworkmanager. so i don't blame knetworkmanager.
[21:11] <fdoving> but i'm downgrading now, just to test.
[21:17] <fdoving> Riddell: now it actually works in both versions. so it's a success. i probably did something wrong in my config then. both works, all good :)
[21:18] <Riddell> fdoving: rocking
[21:23]  * fdoving adds more vpn entries for everything.
[21:27] <fdoving> the only evil side-effect is that /usr/lib/network-manager-openvpn/nm-openvpn-service uses 99% CPU.
[21:28] <fdoving> .. and i can only connect to one vpn at the time.
[21:41] <Riddell> Sime: seen this with Jim's python-kde4 in 4.0.3?  http://paste.ubuntu.com/6579/
[21:43] <Riddell> Sime: ah, cp ./sip/kdeui/kdeui-kde402.diff ./sip/kdeui/kdeui-kde403.diff
[21:51] <Riddell> mark upgrades Kubuntu http://www.markshuttleworth.com/archives/142
[21:52] <CheGuevara> :P
[21:53] <CheGuevara> meh if he runs kde at home, then why not support us more
[21:55] <Sime> Riddell: isn't kde-bindings already packaged?
[21:56] <Riddell> Sime: well we went back to jim's python-kde4 for 4.0.2 since he said it had improved bits in it
[21:57] <Sime> not much was changed. Some kconfig stuff should work a bit better.
[23:27] <ScottK> awen-: Bug 213128 appears to have some useful information in it now.
[23:28] <ubotu> Launchpad bug 213128 in kde-guidance "[Hardy] Guidance-power-manager doesn't know when laptop is mains unplugged" [Undecided,Incomplete] https://launchpad.net/bugs/213128
[23:30]  * Nightrose bounces
[23:41] <awen-> ScottK: thanks ... I've asked some additional questions
[23:42] <ScottK> Great.  Thanks for keeping on it.
[23:47] <awen-> ScottK: ahh... found it anyway myself
[23:47] <awen-> ScottK: his ac adapter is reported as "present" (plugged in) by HAL even when it is not
[23:48] <ScottK> That makes it kind of tough.
[23:48] <awen-> package "hal" ? ... or is there some sort of sub-package?
[23:50] <awen-> ScottK: and I suppose we should mark it as invalid regarding kde-guidance...
[23:52] <ScottK> awen-: Would it be insane to assume if the battery is charging that it's plugged in?
[23:52] <ScottK> I wonder what it produces when the battery is fully charged?
[23:53] <ScottK> Or maybe the reverse, assume if it's discharging it's not plugged.
[23:55] <awen-> ScottK: that only works if we can assume that when it is fully charged it doesn't report as charging + discharging
[23:56] <ScottK> So maybe we need to find out.
[23:58] <awen-> ScottK: actually, right now we only use the ac_adapter.present value for determining the state