=== uga is now known as uga|zzZZ === nixternal_ is now known as nixternal [05:07] Does anyone know if we even need ia32-libs-kde anymore? I'm kind of thinking not after it not being updated for two releases... [05:08] nixternal: You've got amd64... Do we need it ^^^ [05:09] I don't use it [05:15] Do you use ooo? [05:15] nixternal: Would you please confirm the Open Office works without it? That seems to be all it was set up for. [05:16] ScottK2: aptitude show openoffice.org-kde [05:17] nareshov: Interesting, but orthogonal to the question. [05:17] ok ;[ [05:17] No problem. [05:18] That's KDE integration for all archs. The ia32libs package was just for KDE OOO support on amd64. [05:23] ah === Jucato_ is now known as Jucato === hunger_t is now known as hunger [07:30] i assume the oversized live cds are a known issue? [08:14] testers of knetworkmanager 0.2.2 wanted: https://launchpad.net/~lure/+archive [08:14] report results to Riddell, so that he can decide if this should go in Hardy on not [08:14] if you use VPN with knetworkmanager, please test [09:16] apachelogger: *shrug* :( === neversfelde_ is now known as neversfelde [10:30] * smarter wonders if KDE4 will run well on his Asus EEE [10:32] smarter: there was a howto on eeeusers.com or something like that [10:32] sounded ok [10:33] putting the Kubuntu KDE4 liveCD on a usb key is not that hard ;) [10:33] but I was wondering if it will be fast enough to be usable [10:33] hehe sure but he also wrote a little about the experience [10:34] KDE4 is so slow with my other laptop(Pentium M 1,73 GHz/512 Mo/ATi Radeon Mobility X600) :/ [10:34] probably related to the ati driver [10:35] * Nightrose hopes all works out and she gets an eeepc soon too [10:35] my other laptop is dying :( [10:41] smarter: I believe it works, seaLne tried it [10:56] Riddell: my kubuntu-members membership expires in a week. Can you re-new it? [10:57] Riddell: yes, me too please :) [10:57] membership expires? [10:57] smarter: after two years [10:57] smarter: you need to be a launchpad gold-sponsor to have non-expiring membership ;) [11:02] allee: i thought people could renew it themselves? [11:02] Hobbsee: not anymore [11:03] Hobbsee: policy setting somewhere? [11:04] * Riddell looks [11:04] * Hobbsee could renew it herself, but is a team admin [11:04] allee: try now [11:05] Riddell: "next meeting" in the channel topic needs an update [11:05] * allee tries ... [11:06] https://edge.launchpad.net/~kubuntu-members/+member/allee [11:06] Riddell: this page gives: not allowed [11:07] when I click on kubuntu-member link in my 'home-page', there's only a leave button [11:07] awen_: what's the meeting on saturday? [11:08] allee: ok, maybe the change I made doesn't update for people with existing notifications [11:09] awen_: yes, we need to decide when to have one [11:09] * awen- curses the unreliable university wireless network [11:10] Riddell: okay, that's why no new date has been presented [11:11] possibly wednesday would do [11:18] ScottK: did you have a chance to look at the mountconfig/ipod problem... it still annoys me, that to me it looks like the error message doesn't match what happens [11:22] awen-: i have an ipod.. i could test [11:25] etretyak: i will remember that if get a patch of some sort made :) ... but right now the error message seems to me made just to confuse me [11:30] Riddell: is it possible to build kmail/knode for 4.0.3 ? [11:31] nareshov: no, it doesn't exist [11:31] for 4.1 then? hmm ;[ [11:33] sure, we'll do it then [12:40] awen-: No. I haven't had a chance to look. === gribelu_ is now known as gribelu [14:02] kdday [14:05] Riddell: Is ia32-libs-kde needed anymore? It hasn't be updated since Feisty, so I'm guessing not. I'm thinking it should either be updated or removed. [14:10] ScottK: I don't think it has been needed since openoffice got an amd64 version [14:10] Riddell: Sounds reasonable. Will you just remove it or should I file a bug? [14:11] ScottK: file a bug please (also file one to remove webkitkde if you're feeling helpful :) [14:11] Sure. [14:11] Riddell: What's the rationale for that one? [14:13] ScottK: it doesn't work [14:14] That applies to an unfortunately large chunk of universe. Is this one especially broken? [14:15] Riddell: any chance you could action https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/212801 ? [14:15] Launchpad bug 212801 in gnome-desktop-sharp2 "Please promote to main on powerpc" [Medium,Fix released] [14:16] oh, ti's done now [14:18] ScottK: it doesn't work and it confuses people about the status of webkit and KDE [14:19] jjesse: https://bugs.edge.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+bug/213331 [14:19] Launchpad bug 213331 in ubuntu "usb mounted dir persist after logout" [Undecided,Confirmed] [14:19] Riddell: Fair enough. [14:19] Nightrose: yes? [14:19] oh yes my email is ent to the mailing list [14:19] right ;-) [14:20] ah, jjesse, did you get a kubuntu-members reminder? [14:20] Bug #213344 is done. [14:20] Launchpad bug 213344 in ia32-libs-kde "Please remove ia32-libs-kde source and binary from Hardy" [Medium,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/213344 [14:21] no it was the email to list about usb drive problems [14:46] Riddell: Bug #211290 [14:46] Launchpad bug 211290 in webkitkde "Please remove webkitkde from Hardy (release) and Gutsy (backports)" [Medium,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/211290 [14:47] ScottK: thanks === jjesse is now known as jjesse_VACATION === jjesse_VACATION is now known as jjesse_vacation_ [16:02] Riddell: in case you have not seen it yet: http://dot.kde.org/1207571674/1207574439/ ;-) [16:02] bwahahahah! [16:03] :P [16:29] Riddell: hey ;) [16:29] Riddell: I have a question regarding to auto-completion in konqueror search bar [16:29] Riddell: was that with a patch ? [16:33] Tonio_: yes [16:33] Riddell: there is a very annoying bug with it [16:33] Riddell: everytime you type in, prompt goes to the end of the line [16:37] Tonio_: has ze been annoying you? :) [16:38] Riddell: yep, and other people reporting me the issue ;) [16:38] Riddell: type in something and try to add a word in the middle -> impossible [16:51] Tonio_: works for me [16:51] Tonio_: oh, I see what you mean [16:58] hello. [16:59] hi fdoving [17:01] hi riddell, i mailed you about my kubuntu-membership, launchpad says it is about to expire. can you have a look at that? [17:03] fdoving: and you still love us and want to be renewed for another year? [17:04] Riddell: i do. if you want me for another year :) [17:05] fdoving: done! [17:05] thanks :) [17:05] Tonio_: you want yours renewed? [17:05] jjesse_vacation_, ah [17:06] hi. Can we expect plasma themes to render right at some point in kubuntu hardy kde4? [17:06] i have loads of issues with hardy by the way. dbus-daemon is crashing, graphical artifacts on intel etc. all works on a livecd, so i believe it's a upgrade-path-problem somehow. [17:06] Riddell: please ;) [17:06] raphink? === pgquiles_ is now known as pgquiles [17:06] freeflying? [17:07] robotgeek? [18:04] awooga, we have kubuntu-kde4 CDs again [18:05] \o/ [19:00] oi oi [19:00] hi nixternal, fancy doing a dot story about qtcentre's programming contest? [19:00] sure, have a link I could steal from? [19:00] I mean borrow from :) [19:01] nixternal: bounced [19:01] hmm. are the virtualbox modules for 2.6.24-14 missing from archive.ubuntu.com ? [19:01] that was fast [19:02] fdoving: thought they got upgraded...but -15 is out now [19:02] nixternal: ok. then i'll just wait. waiting sucks. :) [19:04] hehe, that it does [19:04] * fdoving did a trick. [19:05] i added archive.ubuntu.com to sources list, after the se. mirror, which seems to give me a whole load of new packages. :) [19:05] Riddell: for some reason the rss feed at http://www.kde.org/dotkdeorg.rdf doesn't include the last commit digest yet [19:05] fdoving: ya, I just went directly with archive.ubuntu.com because I got tired of the mirrors syncing [19:06] nixternal: if you add your local mirror before archive.ubuntu.com packges there will be downloaded from it. and archive.ubuntu.com only used for packages that do not exist on your local mirror. [19:06] bah, that was not very well explained. [19:07] I got what you were saying though [19:07] good :) [19:08] I did not know that. kool [19:09] Nightrose: wait a while and complain to danimo if it doesn't appear [19:09] ok === uga|zzZZ is now known as uga [19:36] <_StefanS_> Tonio_: hey, did you get my mail ? [19:38] _StefanS_: about ? [19:38] <_StefanS_> Tonio_: I wrote on the static network dialog [19:39] _StefanS_: super :) [19:39] _StefanS_: on my side, cause I had to for a client, I fixed knetworkconf :/ [19:39] _StefanS_: I wanted to ping you but you were not there [19:39] <_StefanS_> Tonio_: oh great then [19:39] _StefanS_: btw, it the patch works, the patch can go in obviously :) [19:39] _StefanS_: can you resend the mail ? I can't see it [19:39] <_StefanS_> Tonio_: I noticed an updated knetworkconf, good work. [19:40] <_StefanS_> Tonio_: I just resent it. [19:40] * _StefanS_ is going to get the coffee. [19:40] I had your email on friday, but no patch in it [19:42] <_StefanS_> Tonio_: well nope, but didnt you read it through ? :) [19:42] <_StefanS_> Tonio_: I had to give up on it [19:42] ho so it is the friday mail :) [19:42] okay then I have it [19:42] _StefanS_: no problem then since knetworkconf is globally fixed [19:43] <_StefanS_> Tonio_: sorry about it, but atleast I tried :) [19:43] <_StefanS_> Tonio_: important thing is that it works. [19:43] <_StefanS_> now. [19:44] <_StefanS_> so who put in that horse that briefly appeared in kubuntu-default-settings ? :) [19:44] <_StefanS_> that was surprising. [19:45] Changed-By: Michael Anderson [19:45] <_StefanS_> heh [19:45] <_StefanS_> I was hoping for a comment :D [19:45] _StefanS_: you tried, that's fine :) [19:46] <_StefanS_> Tonio_: yep. [19:46] i missed it as well [19:46] (the horse) [19:50] Riddell: at the Flourish conference at the University of Illinois @ Chicago, their ACM and LUG expressed interest in providing space for US based UDS' in the future if you want to pass that on [19:51] they have a very nice space, and they have deals with the local hotels, plus there are hostels in the area, and also the possibility of providing dorm rooms to the guests [19:51] nixternal: e-mail claire.newman @canonical.com [19:51] will do [19:58] Riddell: I told you that the UIC crowd would calm down and get back on the Ubuntu wagon :) [19:59] nixternal: you still didn't tell us about your kde talk with a gnome shirt! :P [20:00] lol [20:00] * Nightrose grummles at the GSoC mentor page [20:00] how am I ever going to get trough 200 and something proposals :( [20:01] Nightrose: the gnome shirt didn't fit :( [20:01] awwwwwwwwwwww :( [20:01] I was so sick during my talk as well [20:01] and was being rushed to finish it quickly [20:01] :/ [20:01] sounds like my last talk... [20:01] note to self: do not go out the night before your talk and drink A LOT of Guiness [20:01] hehe [20:02] lol [20:03] and then the morning of my talk, I tried the Bruce Perens diet of a ton of coffee, donuts, sandwiches, and cheese, but after 4 donuts, 2 sandwiches, 3 cubes of cheese, and a lot of coffee, I was looking for a stomach saviour [20:03] oO [20:04] wow, that is a bad connection of you connect and disconnect right away [20:05] nixternal: did you eat that all at once? [20:06] I tried to keep up with Bruce... [20:06] * seele wonders how anyone can eat 4 donuts at once without going in to hyperglycemic shock [20:06] +1 [20:06] they were little donuts, and tasty at that [20:06] well, I did 2 donuts, waited about 30 minutes and grabbed 2 more [20:07] then 30 minutes later grabbed 2 of these little sandwiches they had and 3 small cheese cubes, which were very tasty [20:07] you aren't supposed to eat a box of donuts at once? [20:07] I guess not [20:07] but BP can do it...we laughed so hard at him...the only time he didn't have a plate of food, is when he was talking [20:07] * daSkreech should remember that for his next box of donuts [20:08] waiting for the pictures of him holding an Ubuntu CD [20:09] which btw, John Maddog Hall and Bruce Perens, both run Ubuntu, and both gave mad props to Ubuntu when beating up the Microsoft representative [20:09] *lol* [20:09] * ScottK2 noticed sabdfl mentioned having a Kubuntu machine at home in his blog today. [20:10] He has one for his family [20:10] ScottK: he mentioned that 2 years ago, but it is nice to know he finally turned it on, if only using it for 30 minutes to update to Hardy :p [20:10] As I recall he said he never uses that machine [20:10] he does all his work from cl in any ase [20:10] yup [20:10] doesn't everyone? :) [20:11] .. do all their work on the commandline? [20:11] I do [20:11] me too. [20:11] except writing this dot post [20:11] Lietenant Skat doesn't run from command line though (my current #1 procrastination tool). [20:11] * Nightrose doesn't :P (at least not all) [20:11] *g* ScottK [20:12] * Nightrose better doesn't give it a try [20:12] * daSkreech rereads pinotree's blont [20:12] There's a problem with the scores not showing if you have a wide screen monitor if you want to try it while pretending to bugfix. [20:13] :P I have a widescreen.... [20:13] Actually I think it's a symptom of something wider as I see it in Konqueror sometimes [20:13] Nightrose: Would you please start a game and tell me if you can see the score while a game is playing? [20:13] ok - will check [20:14] damn you - now you made me start it anyway! [20:14] :P [20:14] Thanks. [20:14] It's all for a good cause. [20:14] hehe sure [20:15] heh, at Flourish the Microsoft representative said some of the most fascinating things [20:15] like people use Microsoft products to reduce carbon emissions and cure cancerous tumors [20:15] nixternal: is there video of this anywhere? [20:15] there will be in the next week or so [20:15] ScottK: I can see the two blue things showing the players - anything else? [20:15] I thought that's what the PS3 was for :) [20:16] Nightrose: Does it show the score? [20:16] jep [20:16] OK. Then it's not a generic widescreen problem. [20:16] Thanks. [20:16] no prob [20:17] what is this game? [20:17] yuriy: LSkat [20:17] nixternal: please post links when the video is available ;-) [20:18] I will blog it for sure [20:18] ok [20:19] awen-: What do you think about splitting brightness control out of guidance-power-manager into a separate binary for Intrepid. We still need brightness control for KDE4 and sinced that part has no U/I it should be easy to use with KDE4. [20:20] Tonio_: do you still have/use VPN in knetworkmanager? [20:21] Lure: not anymore... [20:21] Lure: a problem with it ? [20:21] ScottK: sounds very sensible I think [20:22] Tonio_: no, I prepared knetworkmanager 0.2.2 merge with debian and would like to have at least on VPN tester [20:22] You're most familiar with that part of the code right now ... [20:22] awen-: ^^^ [20:22] Lure: does openvpn count? [20:22] Tonio_: you can anyway test it - it is in my PPA [20:22] ^^^ others are invited too [20:22] Lure: okay :) [20:22] fdoving: yes, if you use it though knetworkmanager [20:22] Lure: which plugin is it ? [20:23] ScottK: that's hard to disagree with :) ... what about suspend / hibernation buttons, is that our job too, or is it handled already? [20:23] Lure: i have used your knetworkmanager since you announced it here yesterday, not tested vpn yet, but i could try to make one of my openvpn tunnels work. no issues in "regular use" so far. [20:24] fdoving: there is network-manager-openvpn which should give you VPN options in knetworkmanager [20:24] fdoving: and thanks for testing it [20:24] Lure: it needs an 'import openvpn-config' feature :) [20:24] awen-: IIRC Riddell said they had tools for that in KDE4 already. It was just brightness that was missing. [20:25] fdoving: submit wishlist ;-) [20:25] ScottK: afair, suse is working on kpowersave for kde4 (but it is in their repository, so not sure what is progress) [20:25] ScottK: but not sure about brightness [20:25] Lure: does it log to anywhere? [20:26] ScottK: okay ... so only brightness [20:26] fdoving: probably just stdout of network-manager logs (syslog?) [20:26] Lure: It seems sensible to just steal it out of Guidance rather than reinvent it. [20:27] ScottK: probably, but they will probably go c++ as kpowersave [20:27] ScottK: I suspect we need to wait for suse 11 release to see what they are up to [20:27] ScottK and Lure: but if suse has a complete tool, that works, that wouldn't be bad either [20:27] Agreed. [20:27] I didn't know about that. [20:27] Lure: when is suse 11 set to launch? [20:28] awen-: I recall seenig 70+ days to release in some blog [20:28] awen-: so in a month or so they should have some beta with basic functionality === txwikinger is now known as txwikinger2 === txwikinger2 is now known as txwikinger [20:29] Lure: doesn't really work with my configuration anyway. [20:30] Lure: http://kde.pastey.net/85275 [20:30] fdoving: not supported in config dialogs or just breaks [20:30] bad [20:30] Lure: that should give us time enough to see if it is worth looking at for intrepid [20:30] Lure: not supported inf config dialogs, might be the cause of the breakage. [20:30] problem is I am not sure if this is regression, since you did not use it before, right? [20:31] i did not use it before. [20:31] fdoving: anyway, thanks for trying [20:31] i'll have a look at the config, see if i can change anything with vim. [20:31] fdoving: it will still be Riddell's call if he want to include it this late in release cycle [20:32] Riddell: dot story posted on the contest...I think I am going to register for it this time around [20:42] Lure: i can't get it to work with my openvpn setup, even when hacking the config to add my options. [20:49] anybody here know anything about scim? bug #206302 makes kde4 almost unuseable, but I don't even know where to start looking for the cause. [20:49] Launchpad bug 206302 in scim "scim fails to initialize, segfaults, makes kde4 apps take long to load" [Undecided,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/206302 [20:49] the solution used by me, and other who have confirmed it, is simply to remove all scim-packages. but that doesn't really solve the problem [20:55] Riddell: Any thoughts on the fix in Bug #209227 - I can replicate the problem. [20:55] Launchpad bug 209227 in qt-x11-free "KDE3 icons flickering" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/209227 [21:02] ScottK2: are you able to reproduce that? - i can [21:02] 't [21:02] ScottK2: I can't see the problem [21:05] ScottK2: but the patch doesn't seem overly invasive [21:06] paran: ArneGoetje knows all about it [21:06] on #u-d [21:06] fdoving: knetworkmanager 0.2.2 not working for you? [21:07] Riddell: it works for every normal operation. i just couldn't make openvpn work with it. [21:07] then again i did not use openvpn with it before either. [21:07] it seems it doesn't support the options my setup requires. [21:07] then it asserts out on some crypto.c stuff [21:10] fdoving: able to try the one from the current ubuntu archive? [21:10] Riddell: sure. [21:11] Riddell: the operation that ends in an assert is nm-openvpn, not knetworkmanager. so i don't blame knetworkmanager. [21:11] but i'm downgrading now, just to test. [21:17] Riddell: now it actually works in both versions. so it's a success. i probably did something wrong in my config then. both works, all good :) [21:18] fdoving: rocking [21:23] * fdoving adds more vpn entries for everything. [21:27] the only evil side-effect is that /usr/lib/network-manager-openvpn/nm-openvpn-service uses 99% CPU. [21:28] .. and i can only connect to one vpn at the time. [21:41] Sime: seen this with Jim's python-kde4 in 4.0.3? http://paste.ubuntu.com/6579/ [21:43] Sime: ah, cp ./sip/kdeui/kdeui-kde402.diff ./sip/kdeui/kdeui-kde403.diff [21:51] mark upgrades Kubuntu http://www.markshuttleworth.com/archives/142 [21:52] :P [21:53] meh if he runs kde at home, then why not support us more [21:55] Riddell: isn't kde-bindings already packaged? [21:56] Sime: well we went back to jim's python-kde4 for 4.0.2 since he said it had improved bits in it [21:57] not much was changed. Some kconfig stuff should work a bit better. [23:27] awen-: Bug 213128 appears to have some useful information in it now. [23:28] Launchpad bug 213128 in kde-guidance "[Hardy] Guidance-power-manager doesn't know when laptop is mains unplugged" [Undecided,Incomplete] https://launchpad.net/bugs/213128 [23:30] * Nightrose bounces [23:41] ScottK: thanks ... I've asked some additional questions [23:42] Great. Thanks for keeping on it. [23:47] ScottK: ahh... found it anyway myself [23:47] ScottK: his ac adapter is reported as "present" (plugged in) by HAL even when it is not [23:48] That makes it kind of tough. [23:48] package "hal" ? ... or is there some sort of sub-package? [23:50] ScottK: and I suppose we should mark it as invalid regarding kde-guidance... [23:52] awen-: Would it be insane to assume if the battery is charging that it's plugged in? [23:52] I wonder what it produces when the battery is fully charged? [23:53] Or maybe the reverse, assume if it's discharging it's not plugged. [23:55] ScottK: that only works if we can assume that when it is fully charged it doesn't report as charging + discharging [23:56] So maybe we need to find out. [23:58] ScottK: actually, right now we only use the ac_adapter.present value for determining the state