[00:00] <RAOF> smallfoot-: It's planned; there's a standing FFe for Wine.
[00:00] <Adys> Im trying to build webkit and its asking me for icu - should i install libicu36 or libicu38? (or something else actually)
[00:02] <protonchris> Adys: I would guess that you would need libicu-dev
[00:02] <Moe|Joe> blah stupid firefox crashed >.<
[00:02] <kumarphilly> haha
[00:02] <kumarphilly> restore
[00:02] <kumarphilly> Moe|Joe:
[00:02] <Moe|Joe> now i gota download tht iso all over again >.<
[00:02] <Adys> protonchris:  got it now, thanks :)
[00:03] <N3WFI3> cant resume?
[00:03] <kumarphilly> Moe|Joe: iso for ubuntu?
[00:03] <kumarphilly> yah
[00:03] <kumarphilly> should b able to
[00:03] <smallfoot-> RAOF, FFe?
[00:03] <Moe|Joe> nope
[00:03] <N3WFI3> torrent is best way to download large files
[00:03] <Moe|Joe> it faffed up
[00:03] <Moe|Joe> lol
[00:03] <RAOF> smallfoot-: Feature Freeze exception.
[00:03] <smallfoot-> RAOF, oh great
[00:03] <Moe|Joe> meh my isp trottles like a womens bad mood
[00:03] <Moe|Joe> lol
[00:04] <smallfoot-> lol
[00:04] <N3WFI3> oh saddd
[00:04] <Moe|Joe> u just dont know wen its gona happen
[00:04] <Moe|Joe> lol
[00:04] <N3WFI3> i dont think mine does at all
[00:04] <smallfoot-> mine dont, i got 100 mbit/s internet for 32€
[00:04] <Moe|Joe> <-- 8meg down/512 up
[00:04] <Moe|Joe> lol
[00:04] <Black_Magic> in what country?
[00:04] <kumarphilly> smallfoot-: wtf where are you
[00:05] <kumarphilly> yea
[00:05] <kumarphilly> here i get like 17/2 on cable
[00:05] <Moe|Joe> im on dsl
[00:05] <Black_Magic> lol i dont know any country that lets you get over 32MB/s
[00:05] <smallfoot-> kumarphilly, in a nordic country called Sweden, where the Internet is fast and cheap, the girls are blonde and hot
[00:05] <Moe|Joe> sweden
[00:05] <kumarphilly> fiahhh
[00:05] <kumarphilly> you got any pics:-p
[00:05] <smallfoot-> did i mention the grass is green? :D
[00:05] <Black_Magic> smallfoot-: the most internet you can get in sweden i thought it was 23-25MB/s
[00:05] <Moe|Joe> lol
[00:06] <Moe|Joe> Black_Magic: i seen tht there was 1gbit at 1 point
[00:06] <smallfoot-> Black_Magic, you obviously have not heard about Bredbandsbolaget? www.bredband.com, 100 mbit/s for 32€ (320 sek)
[00:06] <Black_Magic> itl work great with my new MBP :P
[00:06] <smallfoot-> yes, in some areas in Sweden, its even possible to get 1 gbit/s internet
[00:06] <Moe|Joe> man
[00:06] <Black_Magic> ill be able to Utilize all 100MB/s if i find a router that can handle it...
[00:07] <Black_Magic> anyone know a router that can stream 100MB/s
[00:07] <smallfoot-> nope
[00:07] <kumarphilly> wrt54g v3
[00:07] <kumarphilly> over clcoked
[00:07] <kumarphilly> with dd-wrt
[00:07] <kumarphilly> anda  nice fan on it
[00:07] <Moe|Joe> i dont understand why like countries in eu havnt backboned off ur ISP's
[00:07] <smallfoot-> luckily, we dont even need routers, since we get 5-6 IP addresses per customer
[00:08] <smallfoot-> so all the customers in my house get their own IP address, no need to mess with routers or NAT, just a switch
[00:08] <smallfoot-> all computers in my house*
[00:08] <smallfoot-> appartment*
[00:08] <Moe|Joe> nice
[00:08] <kumarphilly> sweet
[00:08] <smallfoot-> ya
[00:08] <kumarphilly> so why is to high here
[00:08] <Daisuke_Laptop> smallfoot-: you live in a world i can only dream of...  (can i come over?) :D
[00:08] <Black_Magic> Oh smallfoot- does your ISP Limit bandswith?
[00:08] <Black_Magic> or put a cap on it
[00:09] <smallfoot-> Daisuke_Laptop, sure :D
[00:09] <smallfoot-> Black_Magic, well, yes... i think there is a limit on 300 gbyte/month or something
[00:09] <rsk> i have 1gbit unlimited kinda nice
[00:09] <kumarphilly> i usually use my neighbors open wif, BUT there house burnt down a few months ago
[00:09] <rsk> but cost's 80 euro per month
[00:09] <kumarphilly> its almost done being built
[00:09] <Black_Magic> Oh that sucks
[00:09] <kumarphilly> which means moe free wifi for me:-D
[00:09] <Daisuke_Laptop> kumarphilly: because cable companies and telcos are too lazy and/or cheap to completely revamp the infrastructure, something it needs drastically before we can see any sort of improvement
[00:09] <Black_Magic> thats 160$ ?
[00:09] <smallfoot-> Black_Magic, i dont worry much about it, i dont download/upload much, so it dont bother me
[00:09] <Black_Magic> i do :/
[00:09] <rsk> um 120 maybe
[00:10] <Daisuke_Laptop> the dollar to euro isn't quite 2:1
[00:10] <Daisuke_Laptop> more like 120
[00:10] <Moe|Joe> be nice just to have 100mbit there
[00:10] <Daisuke_Laptop> but for that kind of speed...  oh yeah :D
[00:10] <Moe|Joe> so u can just get something u need quickly in a couple seconds
[00:10] <kumarphilly> i had cable outage yesterday...i call the comcast asses and they give me a full 67 cent (1 day) refund
[00:10] <Moe|Joe> lol
[00:10] <rsk> hahaha
[00:10] <smallfoot-> the ubuntu mirrors are surprisingly fast, i download updates in like 5-9 megabyte/sec, it actually takes faster to download than to install them
[00:11] <Daisuke_Laptop> like, say...  ubuntu 8.04!  (subtlely steering the conversation back on-topic)
[00:11] <kumarphilly> yah
[00:11] <kumarphilly> i use this weird random server
[00:11] <kumarphilly> lol
[00:11] <Black_Magic> lol
[00:11] <kumarphilly> its fast....
[00:11] <Daisuke_Laptop> now, i should really go write this paper...
[00:11] <Black_Magic> I like wireless so unless i can get a wireless router to broadcast 100MB/s or 1Gb/s
[00:11] <Black_Magic> NTY for fast internet
[00:11] <Black_Magic> i think all routers do 54MB/s right?
[00:12] <Black_Magic> well can do
[00:12] <Moe|Joe> bugger it i wil install the ubuntu beta 2moro
[00:12] <Moe|Joe> gona leave my laptop over night grabbing counter strike games from steam :)
[00:12] <smallfoot-> 811n is faster than 54 mbit
[00:12] <smallfoot-> 811g is 54
[00:13] <Black_Magic> i know
[00:13] <Black_Magic> I have a MBP
[00:13] <Black_Magic> i need a "ROUTER" that can wirelessly transmit it
[00:13] <smallfoot-> 802.11g and 802.11n i meant
[00:13] <Black_Magic> can Airport Express do that?
[00:13] <Black_Magic> Extreme i mean
[00:13] <smallfoot-> no idea
[00:14] <smallfoot-> apple hardware usually crappy overpriced stuff full of DRM
[00:14] <smallfoot-> not to mention vendor lock-in and proprietary
[00:14] <Black_Magic> lol
[00:14] <Black_Magic> well there stuff works pretty well
[00:15] <Black_Magic> and the  only company that all Labtops they make come with 802.11 N
[00:16] <Moe|Joe> Black_Magic: u know if u can connect o 802.11n networks...u can connect to a/b/g ones too
[00:16] <Black_Magic> i know
[00:18] <calc> n is a little faster than a/g :)
[00:18] <heartsblood> Has anybody here had trouble getting 5.1 sound to work in hardy?
[00:18] <Black_Magic> I know
[00:19] <Black_Magic> it can get up t about 100GB/s right?
[00:19] <calc> what speed does n do in practice?
[00:19] <calc> not their spec'd speed
[00:19] <smallfoot-> 155 mbit, i think
[00:19] <calc> g has 20mbit rough usable bandwidth
[00:19] <smallfoot-> 100 gbit/s is for Ethernet
[00:19] <Black_Magic> i like Wirelsss..
[00:20] <heartsblood> I can hear all the channels when I do a speaker-test -c 6 -D surround51 but no sub channel from rhythmbox and no 5.1 in movie player
[00:20] <calc> 100GigE would be a bit expensive :P
[00:20] <smallfoot-> ya
[00:20] <smallfoot-> there is 10GigE now
[00:20] <heartsblood> do you still need a .asoundrc file in hardy even if you're using pulse audio?
[00:20] <smallfoot-> 100GigE is under dev
[00:20] <calc> 10GigE is still really expensive too, but 1GigE is not bad
[00:20] <Black_Magic> 1gb/s is something i can work with
[00:20] <calc> plus most end users couldn't saturate 1Gbps anyway
[00:21] <Black_Magic> lol Why?
[00:21] <heartsblood> I could!
[00:21] <calc> 1Gbps should be roughly 100-125MB/s
[00:21] <calc> heartsblood: raid array?
[00:21] <heartsblood> yeap
[00:21] <calc> most end users don't have raid array in their desktop/laptop ;-)
[00:21] <Black_Magic> i think Airport Extreme can handle wirelessly transmitting 1GB/s
[00:21] <heartsblood> negative
[00:21] <heartsblood> 540Mbp
[00:21] <heartsblood> mbps
[00:21] <Black_Magic> still FAST!
[00:21] <heartsblood> rougly 67.5MBps
[00:21] <calc> so 11n can really transfer at 155Mbps?
[00:22] <calc> or is that their symbol rate?
[00:22] <heartsblood> 11n = ?
[00:22] <Black_Magic> 802.11N
[00:22] <calc> 11g symbol rate (aiui) is what is 54Mbps but it only does around 20Mbps in throughput
[00:22] <heartsblood> sorry coming in late for this conversation :>
[00:22] <Black_Magic> How fast can an adapter with A/B/G Get?
[00:23] <Black_Magic> If you have the router transmit one connection on ALL frequencies?
[00:23] <calc> the fastest i've ever seen with 11g next to an AP is around 2.5MBps
[00:23] <heartsblood> a/b 3Mbps G 54Mbps N = 540Mbps
[00:23] <Black_Magic> so it goes faster
[00:23] <Black_Magic> Oh that scared the shiz out of me
[00:23] <calc> heartsblood: oh N is 540Mbps i thought it wasn't that high
[00:23] <heartsblood> pretty sure, i'll look it up
[00:23] <Black_Magic> my buddy has a black deamon as his MSN  char
[00:24] <Black_Magic> and it randomly poped up on AWN
[00:24] <calc> so that means it should reach close to 30MBps in real world
[00:24] <heartsblood> I know my macbook air damn near maxes out my gige router
[00:24] <heartsblood> aport extreme = 11n
[00:24] <Black_Magic> :/ and you know how awn uses the icons...
[00:24] <kumarphilly> airs suck..
[00:24] <calc> gige should be a LOT faster than 11n
[00:24] <kumarphilly> unless you need the portablity really abd
[00:24] <kumarphilly> *bad
[00:24] <heartsblood> Kumarphilly, The college I go to has REALLY small desks in the lecture halls so yes
[00:25]  * calc wants a ThinkPad X300 without the SSD
[00:25] <Black_Magic> how does an Air cost more then a regular Macbook
[00:25] <heartsblood> also I can actually keep it open for the full 4 hour class, my macbook pro lasted ~2.5hours
[00:25] <Black_Magic> and that acctually has a CD Drive -.-
[00:25] <calc> Black_Magic: thin and light always costs more, not just from apple
[00:25] <Black_Magic> i know
[00:25] <Black_Magic> the smaller the more it costs
[00:25] <JonCruz> Black_Magic, the "cool tax"
[00:25] <calc> more of the we have to cram all this crap into a really small space tax ;-)
[00:26] <heartsblood> Black_Magic, airs cost more because of the formfactor of the cpu.  apple paid out the ass for intel to rush their centrino core 2 due cpus out.  they are now passing that price tag to us :)
[00:26] <Black_Magic> i wonder if you can acctually make an Air fly
[00:26] <calc> macbook air isn't really expensive if you compare it to all the other < 3lb (1.5kg) laptops out there
[00:26] <heartsblood> mine weighs ~3lbs so it wouldn't be hard :)
[00:26] <Black_Magic> well i wants a MBP
[00:26] <calc> so i doubt that it is expensive due to the price of the CPU alone
[00:26] <heartsblood> no it isn't at all, but that's what I tell people when they start bitching about the $2k price tag
[00:27] <Black_Magic> I acctually orderd 10grand worth of Apple stuff on thursday i beileave
[00:27] <calc> i have a 6lb (3kg) laptop and its really cheap :)
[00:27] <calc> but can't open it on a plane too big
[00:27] <Black_Magic> Cheap as in its REALLY good and costs little
[00:27] <Black_Magic> or really bad and costs what its worth
[00:27] <heartsblood> I don't weight.  the reason I bought an air is because it's so freaking tiny.  I don't have to carry 2 bags to class.
[00:28]  * calc would never buy a macbook air but not due to price, due to them trading off everything when thinkpad didn't need to
[00:28] <heartsblood> notebook/book/laptop all fit in the same bag.
[00:28] <heartsblood> I wouldn't say that
[00:28] <emma> calc - what do you mean trading off everything?
[00:28] <Black_Magic> You have Two Labtops in one bag?
[00:28] <heartsblood> he means getting rid of the cdrom and HD
[00:28] <Black_Magic> WHOAH what kinda bag is that?
[00:28] <heartsblood> only 1 USB port
[00:28] <calc> Black_Magic: the one i have is a core 2 duo, 4gb ram, dvd-rw, webcam, 11g, etc
[00:28] <Black_Magic> MacBook air has no HD?
[00:29] <JonCruz> anyone know anything about debugging wacom issues? things are configured, but only half-working
[00:29] <heartsblood> it does, but it's your standard laptop hd
[00:29] <JonCruz> speed on the Air is also slower
[00:29] <heartsblood> I don't have a SSD in mine
[00:29] <calc> emma: no optical, not enough usb, no ethernet port on it, etc
[00:29] <Black_Magic> calc: I thought all Macbooks had 11N?
[00:29] <heartsblood> Joncruz, the hell it is
[00:29] <calc> emma: look at the X300 and compare it to the air (besides the fact its not an apple...)
[00:29] <T1m0thy> I'm having sound problems.. after playing a java game that takes over the sound and nothing else gets sound, and then closing it, i have no sound on other things still. I rebooted, and tried to play a youtube video. That worked. then I try to message with Pidgin and get no sounds.
[00:29] <Black_Magic> heartsblood: Standard?
[00:29] <heartsblood> neg 2ghz
[00:29] <calc> Black_Magic: they do but the thinkpad has 11n and gige port on it
[00:29] <JonCruz> heartsblood: I was buying a mac night before last.
[00:29] <emma> I would never buy an apple.
[00:29] <calc> Black_Magic: and optical and still under 3lb
[00:30] <Black_Magic> oh
[00:30] <calc> iirc it might even had a express card slot
[00:30] <calc> it also has option for built in WWAN (iirc)
[00:30] <emma> I think that Apple is for people who want to feel they are part of something special and elite, and pay for that illusion.  Linux is for people who really are part of something special.
[00:31] <calc> the only downside of the thinkpad is you can't get it with a HD, only SSD which makes it expensive
[00:31] <calc> if they release a new version with a HD i would buy it immediately
[00:31] <heartsblood> calc, air has 11n built in but usb ethernet :(
[00:31] <Black_Magic> Cant wait to get my MBP with a Nvidia GeForce 8600M 512MB 250GB HDD
[00:31] <JonCruz> mackbook is 2.1 or 2.4.
[00:31] <heartsblood> that was my only complaint
[00:31] <JonCruz> the Air is 1.6 or 1.8
[00:31] <calc> heartsblood: and only 2 usb ports (iirc)
[00:31] <heartsblood> 1.8 sorry
[00:31] <heartsblood> 1
[00:31] <JonCruz> heartsblood: that's slower most ways people count
[00:31] <heartsblood> only 1 usb :(
[00:32] <emma> I'm buying a thinkpad and putting Hardy directly on it.
[00:32] <Black_Magic> MBP 15in only has 2 usb..
[00:32] <emma> Nothing but Hardy on a ThinkPad.
[00:32] <heartsblood> JonCruz, If I was doing autocad I might be concerned, but it's still faster than my desktop xp 3500, and it's the best thing to travel with atm.
[00:32] <JonCruz> right
[00:32] <JonCruz> depends on the needs
[00:32] <JonCruz> HD space was another issue
[00:33] <heartsblood> openoffice notes for class :>
[00:33] <Black_Magic> emma: Macs are pretty good computers and work well with OSX
[00:33] <calc> 1 or 2 usb isn't too bad if stuff is built in, but on the air its all missing and on top only has 1 usb port
[00:33] <JonCruz> if you don't need lots of space and lots of crunching, the portability is *very* nice
[00:33] <Black_Magic> i use Linux Windows and soon to be OSX
[00:33] <heartsblood> that's not a big deal either, my personal folder gets backed up the NID as soon as I get home so I always have ~60GB free
[00:33] <JonCruz> 1 usb port is easy to get around. hubs are simple and cheap
[00:33] <Who_> could someone explain to me how I am running composite stuff on a PII 300 with Xubuntu 8.04? I can't even see a video driver in my xorg.cong, and it doesn't _seem_ to slow things down. I'm very impressed - but kinda confused
[00:33] <heartsblood> + time machine...
[00:33] <heartsblood> I LOVE time machine ><
[00:34] <Black_Magic> Lol YEA
[00:34] <Black_Magic> If you recommend a customer some hard to use extremely advanced Recovery system
[00:34] <ethana2> Who_: GPU != CPU
[00:34] <calc> JonCruz: but having to lug all the extra things you need, plus a hub makes the air only really usable for classroom type setups, not so good for travel
[00:34] <Black_Magic> thats hard to backup and Restore?
[00:34] <JonCruz> now... what I *do* happen to care about is Wacom tablet + Hardy + MacBook Pro.   :-)
[00:34] <ethana2> Who_: ...it should actually speed things up
[00:34] <Who_> ethana2: my GPU is a trident with 2mb RAM
[00:34] <calc> JonCruz: since external replacements for all the things the air leaves out take more space than the laptop
[00:34] <JonCruz> calc: hub I have is literally the size of my thumb
[00:35] <Black_Magic> 2MB Ram...
[00:35] <ethana2> oh wow
[00:35] <ethana2> bizarre
[00:35] <Who_> ethana2: I was giving the process speed as an idae of the age of the laptop...
[00:35]  * calc bbl, have to test these new fixes for OOo
[00:35] <DanaG> At least it's not a NeoMagic.
[00:35] <heartsblood> btw
[00:35]  * JonCruz is trying to get hardy working on his latptop and tablet to add tablet support to Inkscape
[00:36] <Who_> I am was like 'hmm - surely I shouldn't be able to check this box... looks like a bu... !?Whoh?
[00:36] <heartsblood> why doesn't linux have anything like time machine?
[00:36] <heartsblood> If you're running a raid setup it's kinda pointless but it is handy
[00:36] <ethana2> need
[00:36] <JonCruz> heartsblood: it might. Do you know what it does?
[00:36] <JonCruz> all smoke and mirrors.
[00:36] <heartsblood> time machine?
[00:36] <JonCruz> :-)
[00:36] <Who_> heartsblood: it does :) I'll get a link
[00:36] <JonCruz> and hardlinks
[00:36] <DanaG> RAID != backup!
[00:36] <Black_Magic> If Linux Has a Time Machine
[00:36] <heartsblood> lies
[00:36] <heartsblood> mirror
[00:36] <ethana2> Back when I used windows, I may have needed that
[00:36] <Black_Magic> im gunna say F*** to apple
[00:36] <Black_Magic> and keep just using Linux and Windows
[00:36] <DanaG> Yeah, then if you accidentally wipe one drive, both RAIDed drives are wiped at once.
[00:36] <Black_Magic> lol
[00:36] <heartsblood> DanaG, I've had to many failures for me to give a rats ass about stripping.  all I run is mirrors
[00:37] <heartsblood> well, mirror with stripping
[00:37] <Black_Magic> Time Machine is what sold me..
[00:37] <DanaG> I think striping would DOUBLE the failure rate.
[00:37] <heartsblood> uh yea....
[00:37] <heartsblood> striping*
[00:37] <JonCruz> time machine is nice, as long as it doesn't hang your computer
[00:37] <Who_> heartsbllod: TimeVault: https://launchpad.net/timevault
[00:37] <heartsblood> Joncruz, hasn't happened to me yet
[00:38] <Black_Magic> PFFT Time Valt
[00:38] <DanaG> Can TimeVault do "don't cross filesystem boundaries" ?
[00:38] <heartsblood> JonCruz, it auto syncs when I get home so I've never noticed it
[00:38] <DanaG> If not, I can't use it.  Period.
[00:38] <Black_Magic> Can you Drag and drop files from Time Valt
[00:38] <JonCruz> heartsblood: happens all the time to me. Had to turn it off
[00:38] <Black_Magic> GUI directly into files?
[00:38] <heartsblood> hmm
[00:38] <JonCruz> Dual G5 desktop.  :-(
[00:38] <Black_Magic> Can you see the file browser in TimE valt?
[00:38] <heartsblood> ah
[00:38] <heartsblood> mactel man, mactel!
[00:38] <Black_Magic> can you acctually go back to single Folders?
[00:38] <Black_Magic> in Time Valt?
[00:38] <DanaG> I have symlinks to my NTFS partition within my home.
[00:39] <Black_Magic> Can you type in a certain name in Time Vault...
[00:39] <Black_Magic> point made
[00:39] <DanaG> I don't want the backup thingy going across to the NTFS partition.
[00:39] <heartsblood> rawr....I like airs but somebody needs to give Black_Magic a rabbies shot
[00:39] <calc> DanaG: unless its really dumb it probably doesn't cross mount points or symlinks
[00:39] <Who_> So does anyone know what is actually allowing me to  do composite on this 2mb trident card - I want to know whether it is going to be using the CPU, because I've already mentioned I don't have much of that :)
[00:39] <heartsblood> rabies*
[00:39] <Black_Magic> heartsblood: Why?
[00:39] <Black_Magic> i have a MBP..
[00:39] <DanaG> I also want an image I can just rsync back to the hard drive, if things die.
[00:39] <DanaG> faubackup lets you do that.
[00:40] <heartsblood> Black_Magic, you're also foaming at the mouth
[00:40] <Black_Magic> lol
[00:40] <calc> yipee!!!
[00:40] <DanaG> But it's slow and somewhat space-inefficient.
[00:40] <Black_Magic> Black_Magic is Rabbit
[00:40] <calc> OOo can now report bugs properly :)
[00:40] <DanaG> Or rather, just slow.
[00:40] <Black_Magic> Rabbid
[00:40] <Ashex> Anyone running desktop effects in Kubuntu right now?
[00:40]  * calc is so happy!
[00:40] <Black_Magic> sorry Black_Magic is my Evil Side
[00:40] <Black_Magic> I switched to the "Dark Side"
[00:40] <Black_Magic> Earlier
[00:40] <Black_Magic> second...
[00:40] <heartsblood> Calc, you wouldn't happen to know how stable OOo 3 is do you?
[00:41] <Ashex> Need someone to confirm a bug with file transfers and compiz
[00:41] <calc> heartsblood: not at all
[00:41] <heartsblood> Calc, i really want to try out the aqua interface in OOo but it crashed my MBP last time I tried :x
[00:41] <White_Magic> Ashex: What is that?
[00:41] <calc> heartsblood: its not even in beta yet aiui
[00:41] <smallfoot-> yay, wine is in the repo!
[00:41] <heartsblood> yea
[00:41] <smallfoot-> 0.9.59!!
[00:41] <White_Magic> OMG WTF....?
[00:41] <smallfoot-> awesome
[00:41] <calc> heartsblood: its due for release in Sept, and its on a 6mo schedule (do the math) ;-)
[00:41] <Ashex> White_Magic, when a file transfer is going, switching between desktops gives the text in the window a "double-vision"
[00:41] <White_Magic> last time i updated it was 0.9.58....
[00:41] <smallfoot-> oh wait, it still say 0.9.58 :(
[00:41] <calc> i think they are only up to around the 4th alpha release so far
[00:41] <heartsblood> I use OOo on my air but has trouble with Xfree
[00:41] <smallfoot-> why isnt it 0.9.59 ? :(
[00:42] <calc> heartsblood: you could probably get binaries to play with but they arent likely to be stable yet
[00:42] <White_Magic> Because Ubuntu only ads "Stable" Stuff to the thing
[00:42] <smallfoot-> isnt 0.9.59 stable?
[00:42] <heartsblood> calc, yea I tried it once but it messed up my laptop.
[00:42] <calc> ag
[00:42] <calc> er ha
[00:42] <White_Magic> whats 00o
[00:42] <calc> er ah
[00:42] <heartsblood> ;)
[00:42]  * calc can't type sorry
[00:42]  * calc bbl, getting dinner
[00:42] <heartsblood> OpenOffice.org
[00:42] <White_Magic> Ashex: I thought you meant Slower file transfers with compiz i dont get that
[00:42] <Ashex> White_Magic, http://chipnick.com/Bucket/Lab/filetransfer.png
[00:43] <Ashex> White_Magic, hmm
[00:43] <heartsblood> ok seriously though, I did come in here for an ubuntu question :).  Do you still have to have an .asoundrc file for 5.1 routing in hardy?
[00:43] <White_Magic> Ashex: I just get Slower File transfers when compiz is enabled..
[00:43] <Ashex> White_Magic, it happens in other applications, but that was the easiest one to use
[00:43] <JonCruz> oooh oooh. me too. Any hardy-Wacom debug hints, info, etc?
[00:43] <JonCruz> :-0
[00:43] <JonCruz> :-)
[00:43] <smallfoot-> White_Magic, strange
[00:43] <Ashex> White_Magic, you open a bug report?
[00:44] <White_Magic> i dont think its worth it
[00:44] <Ashex> heh
[00:44] <White_Magic> probally just some small bug
[00:44] <heartsblood> I've selected PulseAudio as my primary sound server but I can't get 5.1 sound from anything besides sound-test
[00:44] <Ashex> every bug needs to be reported ;)
[00:44] <White_Magic> if i disable Compiz i can get 100kb/s+
[00:44] <White_Magic> else its like 2kb/s
[00:44] <heartsblood> Firefox has crashed due to SIGEV fault
[00:44] <Ashex> is this uploading to a server?
[00:44] <DanaG> ARgh!
[00:44] <heartsblood> about 20 times a day
[00:44] <DanaG> Random hard-lockup!
[00:44] <White_Magic> nope
[00:45] <DanaG> heartsblood: easiest fix: edit /etc/pulse/daemon.conf
[00:45] <Ashex> to an external device or just moving files around?
[00:45] <DanaG> to make default channels be 6.
[00:45] <White_Magic> Its File transfers and File transfers on Pidgin
[00:45] <White_Magic> and other things
[00:45] <Ashex> ah
[00:45] <White_Magic> and to External Devices
[00:45] <White_Magic> The bigger the file and if compiz is enabled the slower it goes
[00:45] <White_Magic> Over 1GB its slow as heck
[00:46] <JonCruz> heartsblood: ouch! sounds definitely worse than my bug
[00:46] <Ashex> hmm
[00:46] <White_Magic> lol i feel asleep after pressing the reboot button lastnight
[00:46] <Ashex> White_Magic, you should open a bug report
[00:46] <White_Magic> and i had auto-login enabled
[00:46] <White_Magic> that loud Gnome sound
[00:46] <White_Magic> almost made me jump out the windows
[00:46] <heartsblood> strange
[00:47] <heartsblood> why does every line in the /daemon.conf start with a ';'
[00:47] <White_Magic> i think it means "And"
[00:47] <Ashex> White_Magic, include steps to reproduce along with package version for compiz and what-not
[00:47] <White_Magic> or +
[00:47] <heartsblood> hm, never seen a config use that before
[00:47] <Ashex> heartsblood, those are lines that are commented out
[00:47] <Ashex> usually that is
[00:48] <White_Magic> Ashex: Im not good at that stuff... and i dont know if i can reproduce it may have something to do with my hardware
[00:48] <Ashex> hmm
[00:48] <heartsblood> Ashex: comments are normaly # not ;
[00:48] <Ashex> alright, well, if you can reproduce it again, tell me how, and I'll see if I can verify it
[00:48] <heartsblood> unless this is new
[00:48] <Ashex> heartsblood, depends on the intepreter
[00:48] <White_Magic> i dont understand why my wireless quality is better in windows than linux :/
[00:49] <White_Magic> whats a good alternative to Network-Manager?
[00:49] <Ashex> php uses /, bash uses #, it varies
[00:49] <Ashex> knetworkmanager
[00:49] <White_Magic> does thing with #! in it count as bash
[00:49] <heartsblood> ashex, this is a bash conf script so that's why the ';' makes little sense to me
[00:49] <Ashex> ?
[00:49] <DanaG> semicolons are comments, too.
[00:49] <DanaG> For PulseAudio.
[00:49] <DanaG> It's odd.
[00:49] <White_Magic> even its its like #!/usr/bin/python
[00:49] <White_Magic> or something
[00:49] <heartsblood> strange
[00:49] <akk> White_Magic: Network Manager probably doesn't effect your wireless quality, just whether or not you get connected.
[00:49] <White_Magic> Ashex: Knetworkmanager never worked for me..
[00:49] <heartsblood> then every line in the daemon.conf file is commented.  that can't be right can it?
[00:50] <Ashex> heartsblood, what does the first line say? #!/bin/bash?
[00:50] <akk> White_Magic: But some of the wifi drivers on linux are pretty bad. :(
[00:50] <DanaG> They're showing what the defaults are.
[00:50] <White_Magic> i dont really like how Network Manager works and stuff
[00:50] <heartsblood> # $Id: daemon.conf.in 2067 2007-11-21 01:30:40Z lennart $
[00:50] <White_Magic> i have an Atheros card..
[00:50] <DanaG> Just uncomment the channels one, and edit it.
[00:50] <Ashex> hmm
[00:50] <heartsblood> ; daemonize = no
[00:50] <Ashex> no clue then
[00:50] <Ashex> and my stupid keyboard is dying again
[00:50] <akk> White_Magic: I use a command line based system instead of anything like Network Manager
[00:50] <heartsblood> and then it continues from that point on with ;
[00:50] <White_Magic> its sopposed to be really good and its not an AR5007EG
[00:50] <heartsblood> DanaG, doing that now
[00:50] <Ashex> keys are starting to freak out on me again :/
[00:50] <White_Magic> akk: somtimes you get up and you dont feel like that :/
[00:51] <akk> White_Magic: :) yeah, though if I'm in known places it's actually easier than the gui ways
[00:51] <DanaG> Hmm, what does it take to get an rtl8180 card working?
[00:51] <DanaG> https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/linux-ubuntu-modules-2.6.24/+bug/184788
[00:51] <ubotu> Launchpad bug 184788 in linux-ubuntu-modules-2.6.24 "rtl8180 and rtl818x disabled in kernel Makefile" [High,Triaged]
[00:51] <akk> White_Magic: I just type netscheme mom when I go to my mom's house, and then the card always sets up for the right place without asking me.
[00:51] <heartsblood> DanaG, negative on getting a 5.1 response after I removed the ; from the channel line and saved
[00:51] <Ashex> DanaG, is that a ralink?
[00:52] <heartsblood> DanaG, do I have to restart the server?
[00:52] <White_Magic> akk: netscheme?
[00:52] <heartsblood> -how do I restart the server?
[00:52] <DanaG> yeah, you have to restart pulseaudio.
[00:52] <White_Magic> is there a GUI for that :P
[00:52] <DanaG> rtl is realtek.
[00:52] <akk> White_Magic: A script I wrote that modifies /etc/network/interfaces
[00:52] <White_Magic> oh pooey
[00:52] <akk> White_Magic: http://shallowsky.com/linux/networkSchemes.html
[00:52] <patrick_> hey guys, just upgraded from 7.10 to 8.04...was wondering if there is a dock i can use (like kiba dock or something) that is easy to install here
[00:52] <White_Magic> partick_Have you tried AWN?
[00:53] <patrick_> white_magic i heard about it, how do i install that?
[00:53] <White_Magic> W: GPG error: http://packages.medibuntu.org hardy Release: The following signatures couldn't be verified because the public key is not available: NO_PUBKEY 2EBC26B60C5A2783
[00:53] <White_Magic>  ?
[00:53] <White_Magic> second
[00:53] <patrick_> k
[00:54] <heartsblood> hm
[00:54] <heartsblood> restarted the server but still no 5.1 sounds
[00:54] <heartsblood> other than speaker-test
[00:54] <DanaG> Hmm, try running 'pulseaudio &' in console.
[00:54] <White_Magic> patrick_: http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=385981
[00:54] <skwashd> hi all
[00:55] <skwashd> i am running hardy amd64 on a dell d830
[00:55] <saltedlight> patrick_, i can testify that AWN is working fine. i've tested a week ago... http://wiki.awn-project.org/index.php?title=Main_Page
[00:55] <White_Magic> heartsblood: whats the big deal about 5.1 sound? i have to use Digital instead of PCM just to get sound :/
[00:55] <skwashd> it doesn't matter if i am using wifi or ethernet ... the dns keeps on timing out
[00:55] <skwashd> if i ping the dns box it comes good again
[00:55] <patrick_> thanks mate, ill check it out
[00:55] <skwashd> my 2 other hardy (i386) boxes don't have this issue
[00:55] <skwashd> btw this is a new install
[00:55] <heartsblood> White_Magic, I watch HD movies on my pc.
[00:56] <heartsblood> DanaG, still nothing
[00:56] <DanaG> Hmm.
[00:56] <White_Magic> heartsblood: Where can i get a HD Movie?
[00:56] <heartsblood> um
[00:56] <heartsblood> not sure I should say in this channel :)
[00:56] <skwashd> any ideas? need more info?
[00:56] <heartsblood> I'm sure a bright person like yourself can figure it out :)
[00:56] <White_Magic> i didnt really know they exsisted
[00:56] <heartsblood> oh yea
[00:56] <White_Magic> my labtop is sopposed to be able to play them
[00:56] <rsk> White_Magic: try peach and elephants dream
[00:56] <White_Magic> i bet there like 1GB+ a Pieace
[00:57] <heartsblood> I download 1080i bluray movies encoded with AC-3 sound.  it sounds great on my system.  -when it works :(
[00:57] <DanaG> heartsblood: hmm, did it say anything about trying surround51 on any sound cards?
[00:57] <heartsblood> I tossed my .asoundrc file before switching to hardy.  I'm thinking I'm gonna have to redo it
[00:57] <White_Magic> Bluray....
[00:57] <heartsblood> did what say?
[00:58] <DanaG> PulseAudio.
[00:58] <heartsblood> negative
[00:58] <White_Magic> heartsblood: whats a .asoundrc do?
[00:58] <saltedlight> hi. i have a problem with canon pixma mp150. starts to scan but then say: i/o error. it is suposed to work, but is not. i do not think that is a problem with the scanner since i can switch to windows and scan... any ideea how to figure this out, please?
[00:58] <DanaG> You uncommented and edited the daemon.conf file?
[00:58] <White_Magic> i dont even have a Sound applet anymore since hardy...
[00:58] <heartsblood> White_Magic, is a user level config script for sound routing inside alsa
[00:58] <White_Magic> heartsblood: Oh
[00:58] <heartsblood> DanaG, only the 1 line
[00:59] <DanaG> Hmm.
[00:59] <DanaG> Try starting PulseAudio with the parameter "-v"
[00:59] <White_Magic> heartsblood: what was that GUI for sound thing? the one with the apple..
[00:59] <heartsblood> I just don't understand why I can hear 5.1 perfectly in the sound-test but not in apps like mplayer or rhythmbox :(
[00:59] <heartsblood> White_Magic, i'm afraid I don't know what you're talking about
[00:59] <heartsblood> sudo alsa-mixer?
[00:59] <White_Magic> heartsblood: What is 5.1!
[00:59] <JonCruz> https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+bug/212737
[00:59] <ubotu> Launchpad bug 212737 in ubuntu "Wacom tablet works from LiveCD but not installed hardy" [Undecided,New]
[00:59] <patrick_> saltedlight hey i just installed awn..exactly how do i configure the dock itself tho
[00:59] <DanaG> Don't bother sudo'ing t.
[01:00] <heartsblood> use to have to do that
[01:00] <heartsblood> wait still is
[01:00] <heartsblood> er
[01:00] <White_Magic> alsamixer: function snd_mixer_load failed: No such file or directory
[01:00] <White_Magic>  :/
[01:00] <heartsblood> it seems I don't even have it anymore
[01:00] <heartsblood> lol
[01:00] <White_Magic> lol
[01:00] <saltedlight> just stick to the book. they have all the info :)
[01:00] <White_Magic> guess hardy doesnt have alsamixer?
[01:00] <DanaG> That's because PulseAudio is the default device.
[01:01] <heartsblood> so I've noticed
[01:01] <White_Magic> whats the GUI for PulseAudio..
[01:01] <DanaG> For the physical mixer, you'd use alsamixer -c0  (or -c1 or -c2 or ...)
[01:01] <DanaG> padevchooser.
[01:01] <DanaG> Hmm, if you open the PulseAudio volume control, does the device show up as a 6-channel device?
[01:01] <heartsblood> I'm going to uncomment every line in the pules/daemon.conf see if that does anything
[01:01] <DanaG> Don't bother.
[01:01] <White_Magic> DanaG: That was what im talking about PulseAudio Volume Control
[01:01] <DanaG> First check it.
[01:02] <DanaG> Argh, I can't right-click on the padevchooser applet!  That's stupid.
[01:02] <DanaG> It does abso-****ing-lutely nothing.
[01:02] <DanaG> You have to left-click it.  That's odd.
[01:02] <quittt> hello
[01:03] <heartsblood> how do I pull up the pulse audio volume control?
[01:03] <White_Magic> DanaG: Thats what i meant...
[01:03] <heartsblood> the default VC seems...bare
[01:03] <White_Magic> the Pulse Audio Volume Control
[01:03] <DanaG> padevchooser!  It's a tray applet.
[01:03] <heartsblood> I don't seem to have that.
[01:03] <DanaG> Left-click it and choose "volume control"
[01:03] <White_Magic> i dont seem to have it...
[01:03] <DanaG> Aah, it's not installed by default.
[01:03] <White_Magic> Oh...
[01:03] <DanaG> Which is really stupid.
[01:03] <heartsblood> lol
[01:03] <White_Magic> they should do that when you update your audio
[01:03] <heartsblood> for a minute there I thought I was a complete retard.
[01:04] <White_Magic> lol same
[01:05] <White_Magic> DanaG: Whats the Applet Called?
[01:05] <DanaG> padevchooser -- run it manually with alt-f2.
[01:05] <heartsblood> it's in the ubuntu menu under sound
[01:05] <DanaG> It's a package called padevchooser.
[01:05] <White_Magic> sorry a lil slow
[01:05] <White_Magic> Today
[01:05] <crimsun> Sergeant_Pony: / dotech: ok, thanks.
[01:05] <heartsblood> hmm
[01:05] <heartsblood> ok
[01:06] <heartsblood> in pulse it only lists front left and front right
[01:06] <DanaG> Odd.
[01:06] <crimsun> DanaG: it can't be installed by default.  It's much too confusing, and it's not in main.
[01:06] <DanaG> If you restarted the sound server, it should've changed channels.
[01:06] <heartsblood> but I can clearly hear all channels in sound-test
[01:06] <DanaG> Aah.
[01:06] <DanaG> Well, then perhaps "combined" should be enabled by default, and set as default.
[01:06] <heartsblood> 1 sec
[01:06] <DanaG> Or it should respect the set-default-card setting.
[01:07] <White_Magic> seems mine is 100%
[01:07] <DanaG> Otherwise, people end up with audio mysteriously going nowhere (to the wrong device).
[01:07] <DanaG> PulseAudio itself is buggy -- if it dies, some apps using it will devour all memory.
[01:07] <crimsun> DanaG: no, there's a bug in it not honouring the previously configured default sink
[01:07] <Sergeant_Pony> crimsun howdy
[01:07] <DanaG> Aah, but how do you set default?
[01:07] <DanaG> I mean, without padevchooser.
[01:07] <crimsun> DanaG: by using pavucontrol
[01:08] <DanaG> Oh, that's installed by default?  Well, that's good, at least.
[01:08] <DanaG> I guess PulseAudio just needs a major UI makeover.
[01:08] <crimsun> DanaG: No, it's not.  Same rationale as above.  Anyhow, see the Output Devices tab.
[01:08] <White_Magic> Oh Jeez
[01:08] <Milos_SD> will that bug with .zip files icons and right click "Extract Here" missing function for .zip files ever be fixed? :)
[01:08] <DanaG> Hmm, with it not installed, then how do you choose default?
[01:08] <Sergeant_Pony> crimsun: I almost have it working after a reboot
[01:09] <crimsun> DanaG: it defaults to whatever the first enumerated device is.
[01:09] <heartsblood> In the sound preferences Pulse should be selected as the primary for everything yes?  not alsa?
[01:09] <heartsblood> or would that even matter
[01:09] <crimsun> DanaG: ("it" being PulseAudio daemon on session init)
[01:09] <DanaG> Aah.  In many cases, that'd be the onboard audio device.
[01:09] <DanaG> And that's wrong for some people's usage.
[01:09] <crimsun> I just purchased a usb headset to debug this case
[01:09] <DanaG> Cool.
[01:10] <White_Magic> These are some weird errors i got when installing the pulse stuff no errors with the pulse but with other packages that tried to be installed http://pastebin.com/f521762c9
[01:11] <White_Magic> Could someone examine those and help me
[01:11] <heartsblood> btb
[01:11] <DanaG> Have you ever used combined sinks over network?
[01:12] <White_Magic> Combined Sinks...?
[01:12] <DanaG> Especially over slow or unreliable wifi.
[01:12] <White_Magic> under that applet everything says no network device found
[01:12] <DanaG> It's hilariously amusing -- the two devices will speed up and slow down, and change volume, trying to keep up with each other.
[01:12] <awalton__> combined sinks, like the kitchen and bathroom sink, together! (/badjoke)
[01:12] <White_Magic> wtf? it doesnt detect Wireless adapter
[01:12] <crimsun> White_Magic: those have nothing to do with PA
[01:13] <White_Magic> crimsun:  I know i need help with those errors
[01:13] <DanaG> Aah, now I see what you mean about padevchooser being confusing.
[01:13] <White_Magic> lol
[01:13] <crimsun> White_Magic: `sudo dpkg --configure -a'
[01:13] <emma> Could someone please define, what is a 'chroot environment' ?
[01:14] <spiderfire> chroot is like change root file system
[01:14] <EdLin> emma, an environment where the root directory (/) has been changed to something else. Since everything's a file, this has consequences beyond driectory trees.
[01:15] <emma> Is that dangerous to set up then?
[01:15] <EdLin> emma, not really, just need to do a few things like set up proc
[01:15] <heartsblood> I did a full restart of my system and I have 5.1 sound again :)
[01:15] <heartsblood> which means sude /etc/init.d/pulseaudio restart doesn't work
[01:15] <heartsblood> sudo*
[01:15]  * White_Magic is confused to what exatcly 5.1 sound is
[01:16] <heartsblood> front left, front right, rear left, rear right, subwoofer/center
[01:16] <patrick_> just installed AWN but i ran it using alt+f2
[01:16] <patrick_> how do i make it that it runs at startup?
[01:16] <saltedlight> patrick_, wait a second to do some research :D
[01:16] <heartsblood> you have to add a line to your startup script
[01:16] <DanaG> Umm... pulseaudio doesn't run as a system service.
[01:17] <DanaG> That's why.
[01:17] <heartsblood> :/
[01:17] <DanaG> It runs as user, instead.
[01:17] <emma> EdLin, what is the relationship between chroot environment and making packages?
[01:17] <heartsblood> that's the only way I know of how to restart daemons.  what was the proper way to restart it?
[01:17] <White_Magic> patrick_: add it to session
[01:17] <EdLin> no need to be in a startup script, there's a GNOME doomahicky that will start programs, I think it's called "session" something, but my memory could be wrong - not in Linux now, sorry.
[01:17] <aguitel> could make upgrade to hardy with cd desktop hardy ?
[01:17] <White_Magic> System-Prefrences-Sessions then add a listing
[01:18] <EdLin> !White_Magic++
[01:18] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about white_magic++ - try searching on http://ubotu.ubuntu-nl.org/factoids.cgi
[01:18] <heartsblood> DanaG, ?
[01:18] <EdLin> lol
[01:18] <White_Magic> lol
[01:18] <White_Magic> EdLin: What was that all about?
[01:18] <EdLin> ubotu, you're not dpkg, are you?
[01:18] <Tixer> I have the only unsupported GPU in existance. How can I turn off the bling in Ubuntu 8.04?
[01:19] <EdLin> White_Magic, a karma-increasing command that works in some channels like #debian
[01:19] <emma> White_Magic, he just reported you to #ubuntu-ops
[01:19] <White_Magic> :/
[01:19] <crimsun> emma: by using a chroot to make [I presume you mean generate, as in "build"] packages, you avoid making the packages with cruft (i.e., pollution from your local environment)
[01:19] <EdLin> lol
[01:19] <DanaG> Oh yeah, here's how you restart pulseaudio:
[01:19] <DanaG> pulseaudio --kill
[01:19] <DanaG> pulseaudio &  (if in console)   -- and then 'exit'.
[01:20] <Tixer> how do you turn off compiz?
[01:20] <White_Magic> Tixer: System-Prefrences-Prefrences then the last tab and set it to non
[01:20] <Tixer> thanks
[01:20] <emma> I see. So is setting up a chroot environment difficult or risky?
[01:20] <crimsun> emma: not difficult at all.
[01:20] <White_Magic> Tixer:  for the second prefrences change that to appearance
[01:20] <emma> crimsun will it interfere with my regular use of my computer? That is, I can pop in and out of chroot environment?
[01:20] <crimsun> emma: if you wish to create a minimal Ubuntu chroot, just use pbuilder.
[01:20] <aguitel> how i make the upgrade from gutsy to hardy with cd desktop i386 hardy (without internet connection)
[01:21] <heartsblood> DanaG, yea you told me to do that and go no change until a full restart
[01:21] <EdLin> emma, its very transparent
[01:21] <crimsun> emma: it will not interfere.  You can log into, and out of, the chroot.
[01:21] <emma> Okay
[01:21] <heartsblood> hm
[01:21] <White_Magic> aguitel: just pop the cd in and a prompt will pop up asking you if you like to upgrade or not
[01:21] <heartsblood> oh wow
[01:22] <heartsblood> I forgot how good 1080 looked on this monitor.
[01:22]  * DanaG wonders if he should get 1920x1200 on 15.4".
[01:22] <White_Magic> so anyone want to help me with MY Problem?
[01:22] <heartsblood> lol
[01:22] <aguitel> White_Magic: this upgrade is clean ?
[01:22] <crimsun> White_Magic: I attempted.  Did you respond directly to me?
[01:22] <heartsblood> ty DanaG
[01:22] <White_Magic> aguitel: Define "Clean"
[01:22] <emma> Do you guys think that the good books at Barnes and Noble about Ubuntu will update along with the Hardy release?
[01:22] <saltedlight> patrick_, http://www.nopaste.org/p/aN8hiTrU7
[01:22] <aguitel> White_Magic: with formating the hd
[01:23] <crimsun> emma: there will be some lag time, but I presume they will, yes.
[01:23] <White_Magic> crimsun: Sorry will you refresh my memory to what i was helping you with mind is slow today
[01:23] <crimsun> White_Magic: I gave you a dpkg command to effect.
[01:23] <White_Magic> aguitel: No it upgrades all packages that it can from the DVD
[01:23] <White_Magic> aguitel: Its kinda recommended to do the wbe install so ALL packages you have are upgraded
[01:23] <White_Magic> *web
[01:24] <patrick_> saltedlight thanks mate, got it to work =)
[01:24] <aguitel> White_Magic: i have not the dvd ,i have cd hardy
[01:24] <White_Magic> i beileave that works too
[01:24] <DanaG> What's up with the right-clicking on padevchooser doing nothing?
[01:24] <saltedlight> patrick_, ya welcome :)
[01:24] <heartsblood> White_Magic, did you want to see a sample of HD video?
[01:24] <White_Magic> crimsun: repost it please
[01:24] <White_Magic> heartsblood: Yes please
[01:25] <heartsblood> 1 sec
[01:25] <emma> I was excited to get the 64 bit version of Hardy when Hardy comes out, but the more I hear about it, the more it seems like it is absolutely pointless? True or not?
[01:25]  * White_Magic turns off compiz so i cana cctually watch it
[01:25] <aguitel> White_Magic: you recommend with internet connection ?
[01:25] <White_Magic> i dont get why Web Videos work with ATI but not on disk videos
[01:25] <DanaG> That's a good question: is 64-bit worth bothering with?
[01:25] <DanaG> I guess it comes down to individual usage, probably.
[01:25] <White_Magic> aguitel: Yes because it upgrades ALL the packages you have instead of just the packages the CD can provide
[01:26] <crimsun> DanaG: we've been over that one...
[01:26] <aguitel> White_Magic: i type: update-manager --devel-release
[01:26] <emma> From what I have heard you get nothing from it. You get no better performance. All you get is the risk of more head aches.
[01:26] <White_Magic> aguitel: Not unless you have something like ubuntu 6.06
[01:26] <DanaG> aah.  I don't remember it, but I currently have a 32-bit CPU only, anyway.
[01:26] <crimsun> White_Magic: ok, so have you subsequently executed `sudo dpkg --configure -a' ?
[01:26] <White_Magic> the command is Full-Upgrade ?
[01:27] <crimsun> White_Magic: (first, make sure your apt cache is current)
[01:27]  * DanaG wonders: is there such a thing as a separate PCIe hotplug thingy?
[01:27] <emma> When Ubuntu is officially released I think a full fresh install would be better than an upgrade.
[01:27] <White_Magic> crimsun: i did sudo apt-get update
[01:27] <DanaG> I wanna' add a PCIe slot to the next laptop I'll get, by extending the Mini-PCIe slot outside the case with a ribbon thingy / adapter.
[01:27] <aguitel> emma: but you are erasing the hd with this
[01:28] <emma> I have a home parttion.
[01:28] <emma> Will my current home partition work with the Hardy install?
[01:28] <aguitel> emma: me too
[01:28] <aguitel> emma: yes of course
[01:28] <DanaG> I have many system-level customizations that I would lose if I did a clean install.
[01:28] <saltedlight> i need to enable 5.1 sound on hardy. i think some of you allready spoke about that here, but i have lost some things... what do i have to search for?
[01:28] <emma> I see.
[01:28] <DanaG> Even if I had a /home partition... which I don't.
[01:29] <White_Magic> does 5.1 sound work with Labtops?
[01:29] <crimsun> eww, there's no callback state parsing.
[01:29] <White_Magic> crimsun: http://pastebin.com/f49b5e987
[01:29] <crimsun> no wonder these settings don't affect anything in PA
[01:29] <emma> Since I do have a home partition, do you agree that a fresh install of Hardy would work nicely?
[01:30] <aguitel> emma: try first make uppgrade
[01:30] <White_Magic> arent all Configureation files for programs installed in the /home/$user file??
[01:30] <DanaG> That's odd that my Audigy2 only accepts surround if I set 6 channels to be default.
[01:30] <DanaG> I have a custom xorg.conf, and dnsmasq, and all sorts of other stuff; those aren't in /home.
[01:30] <aguitel> emma: if is not working ,then make clean install
[01:30] <cpk1> emma: i dont see why it wouldnt but you might end up with some clutter in /home if there are config files that arent used anymore and dont get removed which doing an upgrade might do for you
[01:31] <White_Magic> DanaG: i thought in hardy eveyrthing was just listed at Configured * device
[01:31] <emma> That's interesting because I naively assumed that 'upgrade' causes more cruft or clutter than a clean install.
[01:31] <DanaG> custom xorg.conf: www.csc.calpoly.edu/~dgoyette/xorg.conf
[01:31] <crimsun> White_Magic: you don't have a current apt cache.
[01:32] <emma> How about this stragety -- run the upgrade and then do a clean install of Hardy ?
[01:32] <White_Magic> crimsun: What do you mean...
[01:32] <DanaG> Lots of touchpad stuff in there, that simply do not have a GUI to set.
[01:32] <cpk1> I'm assuming though that upgrade will remove unused files and whatnot
[01:32] <White_Magic> emma: see if the upgrade suits you and then if not do a clean install
[01:32] <emma> I would think it would suit me. It's just psychological.
[01:33] <smallfoot-> put ubuntu 0.9.59 in repo!!
[01:33] <White_Magic> smallfoot-: just use the wine repo...
[01:33] <crimsun> White_Magic: your precise issue is already resolved.
[01:33] <White_Magic> crimsun: Ok...HOW
[01:33] <crimsun> White_Magic: your mirror is out of date.
[01:33] <smallfoot-> thought wine repo was for gutsy, not hardy
[01:33] <saltedlight> emma, a clean install means that you have some work to do to get the previous envinronment... it is up to you if you want that or not... having backups for _all_ things is important
[01:34] <White_Magic> i think they updated it..
[01:34] <larson9999> i'm seeing posts that say hulu works on hardy.  what do i need to install for it to work?
[01:34]  * White_Magic Goes to Software sources
[01:34] <saltedlight> emma, and if is not ok, and if you _realy_ need an clean install, if you have your backups is not soch a big loss
[01:35] <saltedlight> *such
[01:35] <emma> saltedlight, true, but for the work for getting it back the way you like, is there an upside to the fresh install?
[01:35] <White_Magic> crimsun: ?
[01:35] <cpk1> well in kubuntu I have yet have an upgrade work for me =P
[01:36] <smallfoot-> put all config files in /home/moo/.config/
[01:36] <smallfoot-> and all cache file in /home/moo/.cache/
[01:36] <emma> so some times a clean install is the only choice.
[01:36] <saltedlight> emma, i did a clean install, and i'l make another one ever 18-19 days... this is up to you...
[01:36] <WGGMk> I have a laptop with nVidia GeForce 6150 Go video card. The drivers supplied with restricter-drivers-manager works fine. Im experiencing an issue with usplash not working correctly upon shutdown.
[01:36] <emma> saltedlight, what is your motivation for doing a clean install so often?
[01:37] <saltedlight> emma, beeing an masochist is a motivation enough? i just love to digg in my system when it is clean :))
[01:38] <emma> So it is psychological :)
[01:39] <saltedlight> emma, i'm using ubuntu since 03.25 so i still do not have enough knowledge about it...
[01:39] <patrick_> RANDOM QUESTION
[01:39] <saltedlight> doing clean install helps me...
[01:39] <larson9999> emma, i'd do an upgrade and most of the time things weren't quite right so i'd do a clean install.  gutsy was the first time an upgrade worked for me.  with debian i always did upgrades
[01:39] <patrick_> is the program TurboTax able to run on 8.04 lol..my father needs to run it and as our copy of windows is not legal, it wont work on that computer
[01:39] <patrick_> so can it run on ubuntu?
[01:40] <White_Magic> crimsun:.....
[01:40] <crimsun> White_Magic: make sure you're using the us.archive mirror.
[01:40] <emma> with an upgrade, I think I would always be wondering... did the upgrade really work, or did it just work well enough that everything is still running?
[01:40] <White_Magic> crimsun: im using Main server
[01:40]  * crimsun -> dinner
[01:40] <saltedlight> patrick_, well have to check for that...
[01:40] <heartsblood> white_magic, I have no idea if it will work (I haven't configured my dns in almost a year) but ftp.heartsblood.org has a 780i bbc video you can try out
[01:40] <cpk1> patrick_: if they have a linux client then yes, otherwise you will need to check and see if it works with wine
[01:40] <emma> That lingering doubt would always be in my mind, am I running Hardy or am I still running Gutsy but with it saying it's Hardy?
[01:40] <patrick_> saltedlight im gonna pop in the disk and see what happens
[01:40] <patrick_> brb guys
[01:40] <WGGMk> patrick: if TurboTax doesnt have a native linux release then you'll need to look at winehq.com
[01:40] <heartsblood> white_magic it's 2.1GB but i'm on FiOS if you have the bandwidth to pull it
[01:41]  * DanaG uses mirrors.kernel.org
[01:41] <DanaG> Oh yeah, for good mirrors: look at universities and such.
[01:41] <White_Magic> heartsblood: FiOS?
[01:41] <DanaG> They tend to have lots of bandwidth.
[01:41] <saltedlight> emma, you are so right... but since all things are done in open source form... i supouse there are just a few unknown bugs...
[01:41] <larson9999> with fios do they screw you on the upload speed?
[01:41] <heartsblood> White_Magic, Fiber optic internet )
[01:41] <DanaG> Especially members of "internet2"
[01:41] <White_Magic> lol
[01:41] <saltedlight> patrick_, you should check on the web before...
[01:41] <DanaG> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Mirrors
[01:42] <DanaG> Best speeds I've ever gotten:
[01:42] <DanaG> 30 megabytes per second, when using mirrors.kernel.org on gigabit ethernet in the Cal Poly computer science lab.
[01:42] <DanaG> Yes, megabytes.
[01:42] <White_Magic> its taking ages to load...
[01:42] <heartsblood> it might be busted
[01:43] <emma> Hey guys I tried to install some stuff I think I need in order to learn about making packages, but when I did the sudo apt-get install build-essential I got this error: Media change: please insert the disc labeled
[01:43] <emma>  'Ubuntu 7.10 _Gutsy Gibbon_ - Release i386 (20071016)'
[01:43] <emma> in the drive '/cdrom/' and press enter
[01:43] <rsk> emma: remove it from sources.list
[01:43] <rsk> emma: if you dont have the cd or want packages from it
[01:43] <heartsblood> White_Magic, wait that's my fault 1 sec.
[01:43] <emma> I don't have that CD anymore.
[01:44] <Dr_willis> emma,  your cd is in the sources.list file.  remove that entry.
[01:44] <WGGMk> I have a laptop with nVidia GeForce 6150 Go video card. The drivers supplied with restricter-drivers-manager works fine. Im experiencing an issue with usplash not working correctly upon shutdown.
[01:44] <Dr_willis> you dont want or need the cd most likely anymore
[01:44] <emma> will it then automatically find it elsewhere?
[01:44] <Dr_willis> emma,  of course.
[01:44] <emma> okay
[01:44] <rsk> haha yea
[01:44] <saltedlight> emma, but you still have to edit your sources to be able to search on other repositories...
[01:45] <emma> Yeah, where is that again?
[01:45] <rsk> no that's not needed
[01:45] <emma> is that in etc/
[01:45] <rsk> /etc/apt
[01:47] <emma> deb cdrom:[Ubuntu 7.10 _Gutsy Gibbon_ - Release i386 (20071016)]/ gutsy main restricted
[01:47] <emma> that must be it.
[01:47] <emma> I'm going to comment it out.
[01:48] <saltedlight> emma, that is it :)
[01:48] <heartsblood> White_Magic, ok try now.  If it doesn't work sorry my dns is borked and I really don't feel like rewriting atm :)
[01:48] <White_Magic> URL again?
[01:48] <heartsblood> ftp.heartsblood.org
[01:48] <heartsblood> if that doesn't work just try to ftp into heartsblood.org
[01:49] <DanaG> DAMNIT.  I got another hard-lockup.
[01:49] <heartsblood> :(
[01:49] <DanaG> Excuse the swearing, but that's really really really irritating.
[01:49] <White_Magic> heartsblood: is that a domain name? or did you just set that
[01:50] <DanaG> (at least that's a reasonably tame swear word -- and it's not calling anybody names.)
[01:50] <heartsblood> yes that is a domain name
[01:50] <heartsblood> heartsblood.org
[01:50] <Ymgve> I'm running 8.04 and have a rt61 wifi card - using the ndiswrapper method locks up my system - is this a known problem?
[01:50] <heartsblood> ftp should link to heartsblood.org:21 but uh...don't hold your breath ;)
[01:50] <White_Magic> heartsblood: want to buy me a domain ;P
[01:50] <heartsblood> I've owned that one for several years
[01:51] <heartsblood> I use to run a dkp database when I played wow
[01:51] <White_Magic> dkp?
[01:51] <heartsblood> I believe it stood for dragon kill points.  It was just a simple way to track a members progress in my guild
[01:52] <heartsblood> did somebody show up to raids, did they contribute to raid boss kills etc
[01:52] <White_Magic> oh
[01:53] <heartsblood> in a game where items from a single boss kill could range from $4-5k on ebay, I didn't really have a choice but to set one up.  it was nothing but a pain in the ass from day one
[01:54] <heartsblood> White_Magic, I don't see you on the server, where you able to connect?
[01:54] <White_Magic> nope...
[01:54] <White_Magic> still loading...
[01:54] <heartsblood> open up console
[01:54] <heartsblood> type ftp heartsblood.org
[01:55] <White_Magic> 220 ProFTPD 1.3.1 Server (BloodBank) [::ffff:192.168.1.2]
[01:55] <White_Magic> Name (heartsblood.org:son9524):
[01:55] <heartsblood> anonymous
[01:55] <heartsblood> then for password enter anything
[01:55] <White_Magic> 331 Password required for son9524
[01:55] <heartsblood> no type anonymous as the name
[01:55] <heartsblood> ah I see whats going on here
[01:55] <White_Magic> 530 Login incorrect.
[01:55] <White_Magic> Login failed.
[01:55] <White_Magic> Remote system type is UNIX.
[01:55] <White_Magic> Using binary mode to transfer files.
[01:55] <heartsblood> that should fail or give you an error
[01:55] <larson9999> works with ff2
[01:55] <heartsblood> type user
[01:56] <heartsblood> then type anonymous
[01:56] <heartsblood> when it asks for password enter anything
[01:56] <White_Magic> ok did that
[01:56] <heartsblood> type ls
[01:56] <White_Magic> done
[01:56] <heartsblood> you should see the .avi
[01:57] <heartsblood> it's a long name :)
[01:57] <heartsblood> type get HDTV.etc
[01:57] <bobbo85> Hi all.  Does anyone else use Liferea for RSS?  I can't double click on picture links anymore to open them in firefox, now for some reason I have to right click and hit "open link in browser" - any idea where the setting is for this?
[01:57] <heartsblood> this is gonna sound sad, but I don't even know what RSS is
[01:57] <heartsblood> er, i've never used it rather
[01:58] <heartsblood> actually that's only a 720
[01:58] <White_Magic> OMG why such a long name...
[01:58] <heartsblood> ><
[01:58] <heartsblood> just type HDTV<tab>
[01:58] <White_Magic> not working...
[01:59] <heartsblood> get HDTV.BBC.Planet.Earth.11of11.Ocean.Deep.720p.Xvid.Ac3.www.mvgroup.org.avi
[01:59] <heartsblood> copy paste that line
[01:59] <mon^rch> hi all, anyone know who developed the artwork (wallpaper) for hardy?
[01:59] <heartsblood> uh oops.  I do not condone Piracy.  that's not what you think it is
[02:00] <mon^rch> cos it looks like the freakin heron's head has been cut off!!!
[02:00] <White_Magic> We know...
[02:00] <saltedlight> =))
[02:00] <White_Magic> heart join my channel ....##Black_Magic
[02:00] <White_Magic> i allow Free speak :P
[02:02] <DanaG> I prefer the red-crested Heron from the remix-more-polish.png image.
[02:02] <DanaG> And the current wallpaper seems a bit gloomy -- the background is a dark brown, and low-contrast.
[02:03] <mon^rch> DanaG: got link for image?
[02:03] <DanaG> argh, Firefox is broken/
[02:04] <emma> DanaG are you polish?
[02:05] <emma> DanaG are you polish?
[02:05] <DanaG> No.
[02:05] <emma> DanaG> I prefer the red-crested Heron from the remix-more-polish.png image.
[02:05] <DanaG> Polish -- as in, polishing a shoe.  Or a car.  Or a window.
[02:05] <emma> What was that about?
[02:05] <emma> Oh I see.
[02:05] <DanaG> http://troy-sobotka.blogspot.com/2008/03/hardy-heron-wallpaper-fela-kuti-botch.html
[02:07] <daskreech> Anyone gotsome X know how?
[02:07] <mon^rch> DanaG: ty
[02:07] <DanaG> It looks much better with the read crest like that one.
[02:08] <mon^rch> DanaG: still kinda violent though...
[02:08] <DanaG> Naah, not that remix.
[02:08] <daskreech> My resolution is unsettable and I have basically no xorg.conf ?
[02:08] <DanaG> It looks like a bird with red head and chest feathers.
[02:08] <mon^rch> DanaG: i assume some children will see this image and see it as something like blood instead of feathers
[02:09] <mon^rch> i mean, i did
[02:09] <DanaG> Oh heck, the current one looks worse to me -- look where the red is, and look how the orange is in too many places.
[02:09] <mon^rch> agreed
[02:09] <DanaG> http://bp0.blogger.com/_95-BHeta7y8/R-n6fRrATQI/AAAAAAAAAVI/td6J8Vhb2NE/s1600-h/remix.png
[02:09] <DanaG> That's the "remix" one.
[02:09] <daskreech> First thigns
[02:10] <daskreech> How can I set my resolution?
[02:10] <mon^rch> yeah... by remix... do you mean that THIS one may replace the current one?
[02:10] <DanaG> No, I mean that the red-crested one was a "remix" of the "bloody" one, and now the official one is the lame one.
[02:11] <mon^rch> too bad
[02:11] <fbc> If I do the hardy upgrade now will I get the beta or the package that people will get in 18 days?
[02:11] <mon^rch> fyi: hardy delayed 3 mos
[02:11] <DanaG> The current one would be better if it had the better-fixed Heron.
[02:11] <smallfoot-> i dont care aboutb ackground image, make something cool instead :D
[02:11] <smallfoot-> like aquarium water plugin in compiz :D
[02:12] <DanaG> And instead of the dull brown over such a large area, it should have sometihng a bit brighter.
[02:12] <mon^rch> ennnnnnnnh these are pretty standard "human" pallets and I think they should stick
[02:13] <WGGMk> Has anyone successfully changed the default usplash theme yet?
[02:14] <larson9999> leave the brown.  it's an identity now.  and how hard is it to change it if someone doesn't like it
[02:14] <DanaG> The very specific brown is what I have issues with.
[02:14] <taggie> mon^rch, why delayed? too broken or waiting for upstreams to stabilize (mozilla notably) and whatnot
[02:14] <DanaG> The Gutsy wallpaper brown was a bit nicer, I think.
[02:14] <larson9999> i'm kinda partial to the elephant background on my system now.
[02:15] <DanaG> You smell like an .....    ..... and you look like one, too.
[02:15] <mon^rch> taggie: i dunno why it's delayed... just saw the note posted
[02:16] <taggie> mon^rch; thx, hadn't heard that yet
[02:16] <daskreech> mon^rch: link ?
[02:18] <mon^rch> ppl: perhaps i'm wrong... cos I can't find a "delayed" link now.... but I DID see it somewhere
[02:18] <mon^rch> all I see now is a "theme" delay
[02:19] <mon^rch> http://tombuntu.com/index.php/2008/02/04/new-theme-for-ubuntu-804-deferred/
[02:19] <mon^rch> i shut up now
[02:19] <mon^rch> but this theme on the link is way sexy
[02:21] <mon^rch> as well... I can't seem to find any "real" images of a red crested heron, or a red breasted one...
[02:22] <saltedlight> just so... vista-ish... :(
[02:23] <LoneShadow> Can anyone tell me whats the best way to fix the logitech g5 mouse not working after gutsy to hardy upgrade ?
[02:23] <mon^rch> vista's ui is really nice... ubuntu's should be also, so it can  contend
[02:24] <cpk1> kde4 ui looks great
[02:24] <gregcha117> my sound does not work at all i need some help please im getting desperate i hate using windows now that ive been on ubuntu the past few years but ive been stuck on my xp boot that last couple weeks :|
[02:25] <Dr_willis> LoneShadow,  whats not working about it?
[02:26] <daskreech> How do I know what video  driver I'm using in X ?
[02:26] <mon^rch> gregcha117: did you install the respective "ubuntu-modules" for your kernel?
[02:26] <gregcha117> yes theyre up to date
[02:26] <mon^rch> :?
[02:26] <mon^rch> hmmm
[02:26] <RAOF> daskreech: grep -i driver /var/log/Xorg.0.log
[02:27] <daskreech> RAOF: (II) Loading /usr/lib/xorg/modules/drivers//radeon_drv.so
[02:28] <daskreech> That's what I'm looking for ?
[02:28] <gregcha117> mon^rch: it just basically mysteriously disappeared when it updated to the 2.6.24-12 kernel, then i booted to an older one and it worked fine for a while and disappeared again, then this time it upgraded to 2.6.24-15 and it seems to recognize my sound device which it hadnt in the previous ones but theres absolutely no sound from anything
[02:28] <RAOF> daskreech: Yup.
[02:28] <RAOF> daskreech: From that, I infer that you've got some form of ATI card :)
[02:28] <Dr_willis> Hmm.. kde4's konsole app dosent have a 'new' tab button at the bottom left like kde3 console.. i miss that. :)
[02:28] <daskreech> Yes
[02:28] <Dr_willis> RAOF,  use lspci to see what  devices you have - perhaps
[02:28] <daskreech> My resolution is messed up though :-(
[02:29] <taggie> gregcha117, have you tried alsamixer from a shell? my thinkpad magically muted left and right main channels when i upgraded.
[02:29] <mon^rch> gregcha117: yeah I was having problems too... adding what I suggested fixed it, i'm not "that" much of an admin to troubleshoot (yet)
[02:29] <RAOF> daskreech: Right.  So, what have you tried to do to fix this so far?
[02:29] <RAOF> Dr_willis: What was that in reference to?
[02:29] <gregcha117> yeah alsamixer from shell appears fine but im not getting any sound
[02:30] <taggie> gregcha117, you have "00" on the master slider, not MM?
[02:30] <gregcha117> i tryed inserting older modules from some forum i saw but i dunno if i had done it correctly, but upgrading the kernel would have fixed that since it recognizes my sound again anyways atleast thats what im guessing
[02:31] <gregcha117> yes i have 00 on the master
[02:31] <taggie> strange, if alsa's able to see the card, i have no clue why it would be doing that.
[02:32] <gregcha117> its getting really annoying and i havent been able to figure out whats wrong i thought the new kernel update would just fix it so i waited around but it still doesnt work
[02:32] <Dr_willis> thers 1000's of ati cards. :) if he wants the exact card..  lspci will give a clue
[02:33] <taggie> gregcha117, what card is it?
[02:34] <gregcha117> Multimedia audio controller: nVidia Corporation CK804 AC'97 Audio Controller (rev a2
[02:49] <daskreech> RAOF: Well I tried to get a list of possible resolution configurations
[02:50] <daskreech> I don't get a option to change it in the GUI
[02:50] <daskreech> so I checked the xorg.conf file
[02:50] <RAOF> daskreech: How?  Let me rephrase: Hardy's ati drivers should be providing XRandR 1.2 support.  Running the "xrandr" command should give you some info about all the connected (and disconnected) displays, and what resolutions X thinks they support.
[02:51] <daskreech> Sweet :)
[02:51] <daskreech> let me try that
[02:52] <daskreech> http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/62382/
[02:52] <daskreech> It's changed now
[02:52] <daskreech> it was 1152x864
[02:52] <LoneShadow> Dr_willis: mouse lights up, but dont see any pointer movement, when I move the mouse
[02:53] <LoneShadow> anything I can uninstall and reinstall for the logitech g5 mouse ?
[02:53] <Dr_willis> LoneShadow,  odd. check dmesg output, plug/unplug the mouse.. could check the xorg.conf to see what Mouse its set to use
[02:53] <Dr_willis> 'uninstall/reinstall' is windows thinking.
[02:53] <RAOF> daskreech: And what resolutions do you think it should allow?
[02:53] <Dr_willis> Its a usb mouse - it sould work with the /dev/input/mice  device in the xorg.conf
[02:54] <daskreech> 1280x1024
[02:54] <daskreech> That's what it was before hardy and KDE4
[02:54] <daskreech> I didn't upgrade just did a clean install of Hardy
[02:54] <RAOF> daskreech: Right.  Well, that's on the list.  Let's try "xrandr --output VGA-0 --mode 1280x1024"
[02:55] <LoneShadow> Dr_willis: /dev/input/mice was commented out
[02:55] <LoneShadow> Driver should be mouse or evdev ?
[02:55] <Dr_willis> thats odd..
[02:55] <Dr_willis> deoends on the mouse. Not sure what one is best for the g5 - could try mouse, see if that works
[02:55] <LoneShadow> Driver "mouse" is commented out and replaced by "evdev"
[02:55] <daskreech> RAOF: Wow :)
[02:56] <LoneShadow> once I fix the settings, I can do "ctrl-alt-backspace" to check the changes ?
[02:56] <Dr_willis>  Driver          "vmmouse"
[02:56] <Dr_willis> wow.. thats what mine says.. wonder what a vmmmouse is..
[02:56] <RAOF> daskreech: That worked?
[02:56] <Dr_willis> LoneShadow,  you must restart the X server.. thats one way to do it
[02:56] <daskreech> RAOF: It looks even stranger now :) but I have info to work on now
[02:56] <daskreech> RAOF: it remains after reboot or do I have to put it in a file somewhere?
[02:57] <RAOF> daskreech: It might be interesting to find out why System->Preferences->Screen Resolution didn't work for you.
[02:57] <Dr_willis> LoneShadow,  i have the following for my G518 mouse
[02:57] <Dr_willis>  Driver         "mouse"
[02:57] <Dr_willis>     Option         "Protocol" "auto"
[02:57] <RAOF> daskreech: I _think_ it'll keep your setting.
[02:57] <Megaqwerty> I have a quick question: How stable is hardy at this point? (It
[02:57] <daskreech> RAOF: Well this works for me I can play with this
[02:57] <Megaqwerty> *It's not a production system, but I'd still like it to be relatively stable
[02:57] <LoneShadow> maybe I had messed with the config on gutsy
[02:57] <daskreech> Megaqwerty: I have it on my main computer at work
[02:57] <daskreech> with KDE4
[02:58] <daskreech> RAOF: So how do I swap drivers now?
[02:58] <Megaqwerty> daskreech: Wow. And no problems thusfar?
[02:58] <RAOF> daskreech: To swap drivers you need to edit /etc/X11/xorg.conf.
[02:59] <daskreech> Megaqwerty: annoyances but the system has never been done
[02:59] <Megaqwerty> annoyances such as?
[02:59] <daskreech> RAOF: Identifier      "Configured Video Device"
[03:00] <RAOF> daskreech: But generally you won't need to do this; all the X drivers have a supported hardware list in them, so they'll auto-load an appropriate (open source) driver.  For the proprietary drivers, System->Administration->Hardware Drivers should do it all for you.
[03:00] <daskreech> That's the single line under Device in xorg.conf
[03:00] <Megaqwerty> daskreech: *annoyances such as?
[03:00] <RAOF> Yeah; we use X's autodetect now.  xorg.conf is (by default) pretty much empty.
[03:01] <DanaG> What about touchpad stuff?
[03:01] <daskreech> My resolution wasn't detected properly
[03:01] <DanaG> Touchpads seem to be the "forgotten stepchild" of the new input stuff.
[03:01] <daskreech> RAOF: Editing it overrides?
[03:01] <dotech> i had to modify my xorg.conf so i could set up my 3 monitors properly
[03:01] <Megaqwerty> daskreech: Is that all?
[03:01] <dotech> but i'm a bit unusual i suppose
[03:02] <RAOF> daskreech: Yes.  Anything you put in xorg.conf overrides the autodetect, which is why we put nothing but a skeleton there.
[03:03] <daskreech> Ok I'll see if my card still hates fglrx
[03:03] <daskreech> Megaqwerty: Yeah it's been pretty good so far
[03:03] <DanaG> Mouse should really use evdev by default.
[03:03] <daskreech> Course I'm a bit picky about upgrades
[03:03] <Megaqwerty> daskreech: cool. Thanks for the help.
[03:03] <daskreech> RAOF: You've been a wonderful help
[03:04] <cyclonut> I am thinking of an app. This app will replace my menubar (or at least the 'applications' part. This app will show a list of my most frequently used programs (as well as letting me hit all the others). what is this app?
[03:04] <dotech> anyone else spike to 100% cpu utilization by xorg when viewing the system monitor resources tab?
[03:04] <dotech> before i set up my 3 monitors it didn't do this
[03:04] <DanaG> Touchpad config still needs xorg.conf.
[03:05] <cyclonut> DanaG: mine works fine without xorg.conf
[03:05] <DanaG> Can you disable tapping on it?
[03:05] <DanaG> Or use two-finger scrolling?
[03:05] <DanaG> Or multi-finger tapping?
[03:05] <RAOF> daskreech: No problem.  Please file a bug against the gnome-control-center package (which provides the gnome-display-properties capplet) with the output of running "xrandr", and the output of running gnome-display-properties in a terminal.
[03:05] <daskreech> RAOF: KDE
[03:06] <RAOF> daskreech: Oh, right.  Sorry.  I tend to forget that exists :)
[03:06] <cyclonut> DanaG: I can use two finger scrolling
[03:06] <DanaG> Here's how I have tapping set:
[03:06] <DanaG> 1-finger: nothing.  2 fingers: middle.  3 fingers: right button.
[03:07] <cyclonut> does anyone here use slab?
[03:08] <daskreech> RAOF: No worries I do the same thing with other Environements
[03:08] <daskreech> I was trying to figure out what you were talking about before
[03:08] <RAOF> cyclonut: You mean that crazy menu replacement?
[03:08] <RAOF> (My answer _may_ be contained in that question :))
[03:09] <cyclonut> RAOF: haha, it seems like it is. I am looking for a menu that will track my frequently used apps, though, and it sounds like it would. Unless you have an alternative?
[03:09] <RAOF> cyclonut: Nope.  Well, except for Gnome Do.
[03:09] <RAOF> cyclonut: Which isn't so much a menu.
[03:09] <DanaG> "gimmie" is one such app.
[03:10] <RAOF> But everyone should use Do!  It's awesome!
[03:10] <bazhang> cyclonut: see kde4 then
[03:10] <cyclonut> ick@kde
[03:10] <DanaG> You can't run simple commands without typing the full path, though.
[03:10]  * cyclonut does not know gnome do
[03:10] <DanaG> Deskbar is better (the old deskbar, not the new deskbuttonthatopensawindow)
[03:10] <RAOF> DanaG: With Do?  Hm.  That may well be a result of my trunk-running.
[03:12] <cyclonut> gnome do is not what Im looking for
[03:12] <roe> where can I find a netboot (not netinstall) image for hardy
[03:12] <DanaG> !gimmie
[03:12] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about gimmie - try searching on http://ubotu.ubuntu-nl.org/factoids.cgi
[03:12] <RAOF> cyclonut: No, it probably isn't.  It's very much not a menu - it's for when you know what you want.
[03:12] <DanaG> !info gimmie
[03:12] <ubotu> gimmie (source: gimmie): elegant desktop organizer. In component universe, is extra. Version 0.2.8-0ubuntu1 (hardy), package size 253 kB, installed size 1404 kB
[03:12] <RAOF> Gimmie is kinda cool, in a really crazy way.
[03:13] <DanaG> Hint: disable the "People" menu -- it doesn't work, anyway.
[03:14]  * cyclonut tries gimmie
[03:16] <cyclonut> this seems nice...
[03:17] <larson9999> gimmie died
[03:17] <cyclonut> oh?
[03:18] <larson9999> that's an old joke around these parts.
[03:19] <patrick__> hey guys just wondering...i just got an update from the manager thingy, i thought since its a beta we dont get updates?
[03:19] <RAOF> patrick__: No, why would that be the case?
[03:19] <protonchris> patrick__: it is actually opposite of that.  Since we are running a beta we get lots of updates.
[03:19] <patrick__> oh wow...
[03:19] <RAOF> patrick__: You'll be getting updates to fix all the bugs you're filing about the beta :()
[03:19] <patrick__> ohhh i see
[03:20] <RAOF> It wouldn't be much of a beta if we weren't _fixing_ at least some of the bugs you find, and that requires package updates.
[03:20] <icanhasadmin> hardy is eating my soul
[03:21] <cyclonut> yay gimmie kinda rocks so far
[03:21] <larson9999> i don't see the point of gimmie yet
[03:21] <cyclonut> frequently used things show up first
[03:21] <cyclonut> and you can search for what you want easy-like
[03:22] <larson9999> cyclonut, yeah, still don't see the point.  i know where everything is already.  i set things up afterall :)
[03:22] <dotech> crimsun: i partially fixed the issue by modifying the /etc/pulse/default.pa script
[03:22] <cyclonut> truth, for me, sometimes I dont want to scroll down to the "programming" window to start up whatever editor is necessary
[03:23] <larson9999> actually, i've been setting up my desktops the same way since about win95.  i'm quite used to where they are.
[03:23] <cyclonut> hah, again, for me its not a matter of being used to where things are, as I am in the same boat. Its a matter of being too damned lazy to move my pointer too far
[03:23] <larson9999> maybe if i didn't already of the task bar going.
[03:24] <RAOF> cyclonut: Laziness is what Do's for :)
[03:24] <cyclonut> RAOF: another truth
[03:24] <icanhasadmin> is there a super simple tiny small memory taking-uping terminal program i can check out?
[03:25]  * DanaG wishes somebody would make a cardbus C-Media sound card.
[03:25] <cyclonut> RAOF: but did I see correctly that you need to type full-paths for do to work?
[03:25] <RAOF> cyclonut: Not for things in your menu (ie: which have .desktop files), and not for _me_, but I'm running quite a different version to the one in the Ubuntu repositories.
[03:25] <larson9999> larry the cable guy is on.  ever since i saw his previous persona i can't watch him.
[03:26] <cyclonut> RAOF: ah
[03:26] <dotech> good movie
[03:27] <RAOF> cyclonut: So, basically, I'm not sure if the version in Ubuntu runs things in your $PATH or not.
[03:27] <larson9999> dotech, not a movie.  him doing stand up.  but that old video did a buzz kill on to me.
[03:27] <dotech> haha
[03:27] <cyclonut> RAOF: I see. maybe Il lcheck it out soon
[03:28] <protonchris> RAOF: what version of gnome-do are you running?
[03:29]  * icanhasadmin gets 100000 updates per day
[03:29] <RAOF> protonchris: I'm running the 0.7 trunk, because I'm testing out the mono.addins stuff (and I'll be rewriting the music plugins sometime soon)
[03:32] <protonchris> RAOF: Ah.  The $PATH feature sounds useful.
[03:35]  * DanaG wishes somebody would make a c-media cardbus sound card.
[03:38] <White_Magic> How do i change the Pastebinit bin permenantly?
[03:54] <dotech> anyone running an APC UPS?  i'm trying to get the daemon working now
[03:56] <Xlariz> Does anyone know why Firefox is slow as balls?
[03:56] <icanhasadmin> Xlariz: it's poorly written? or you have compiz running.
[03:57] <saltedlight> or maybe some ipv6 problems?
[03:57] <icanhasadmin> saltedlight: no, if it's in Hardy it's probabaly a compiz thing.
[03:58] <saltedlight> depends on the network... if is not able to do what have to, then will become slow...
[03:58] <Xlariz> hm  i'll try that thx
[04:00] <icanhasadmin> saltedlight: describe what the ipv6 problem might be?
[04:01] <saltedlight> one moment please...
[04:02] <afuchs> ok, i am on a amd64 system with an ati card
[04:02] <afuchs> and blender crashes every time i go into edit mode
[04:04] <saltedlight> icanhasadmin, i do not realy know what the problem shoul be, but some firefox users say that disabling ipv6, have increased the speed...
[04:04] <saltedlight> and just one example about topics around: http://ubuntuforums.org/archive/index.php/t-166562.html
[04:05] <daskreech> icanhasadmin: xterm?
[04:05] <daskreech> icanhasadmin: First time in a +1 ?
[04:06] <icanhasadmin> daskreech: i'm sorry?
[04:06] <afuchs> ipv6 could cause problems if the network is screwed up...
[04:06] <daskreech> You wanted a light terminal program
[04:06] <icanhasadmin> daskreech: ...
[04:07] <saltedlight> not all the time i know, but sometimes is good to check all the posibilities...
[04:07] <Zelta> I have an ndiswrapper question: I installed my PCI wifi card using ndiswrapper; will upgrading to Hardy Heron break my setup?
[04:08] <bazhang> Zelta: you in here? what card is that
[04:08] <icanhasadmin> daskreech: thank you, actually that's perfect.
[04:09] <bazhang> Zelta: also try running the livecd and see for yourself if wireless is seen
[04:09] <afuchs> Zelta, im having problems with network-manager that i didn't have before installing hardy (won't connect to a wpa2 psk network)
[04:09] <afuchs> but manually configuring it works (as well as it did before...)
[04:09] <Zelta> bazhang: Airlink101 MIMOXR 802.11g using rt600 driver with ndiswrapper
[04:10] <jstgtpaid_> I would like to change the application that plays CD's by default in 8.04.  Tried changing default multimedia app didn't wrk.. ne ideas?
[04:12] <icanhasadmin> anyone use rxvt?
[04:12] <afuchs> anyone not having issues with blender?
[04:14] <roe> is there a graphical lspci?
[04:14] <IdleOne> roe: there should be
[04:14] <roe> I agree
[04:14] <IdleOne> least I would like one
[04:14] <dotech> lsusb too :)
[04:14] <icanhasadmin> Yeah, there used to be a "hardware information" thing in Gutsy, where is it in Hardy? can't find it.
[04:16] <saltedlight> add/remove >> Sysinfo >> and then will be on System Tools
[04:16] <IdleOne> !info hwdata
[04:17] <ubotu> hwdata (source: hwdata): hardware identification / configuration data. In component main, is optional. Version 0.200-1ubuntu1 (hardy), package size 238 kB, installed size 980 kB
[04:19] <Gokee2> I can`t see the developer reference in glade-3 on xubuntu 8.04.  I have the latest glade-3 (3.4.2-0ubuntu1) and I have installed the doc package it wanted but it still only gives me a "Empty Page"  if I go to contents I have a few things like thunar.  I also get "GladeUI-WARNING **: No icon named 'widget-gtk-scalebutton'     GladeUI-WARNING **: No icon named 'widget-gtk-volumebutton" when starting glade-3.  Did I miss some package to install
[04:19] <Gokee2>  or is the glade-3 package broke?  I found a old report of feisty being broke (https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/glade-3/+bug/89051) but it was fixed last year.
[04:19] <ubotu> Launchpad bug 89051 in glade-3 "User manual not installed" [Medium,Fix released]
[04:19] <SilverDawn> what media player would you suggest for playing avi files in ubuntu
[04:20] <Gokee2> SilverDawn, I like xine and mplayer
[04:20] <chuy> hi, I can't mount my hdb hard disk, it was previously hdb, but since an update I only have sd??, I tried to mount sdb1 but tells me that it is not a block device
[04:21] <chuy> any ideas?
[04:21] <SilverDawn> I forgot about mplayer :| i'll use that, Thanks Gokee2
[04:21] <dotech> man im getting sick of pulseaudio crashing
[04:21] <chuy> echo /dev/sd?? gives me this: /dev/sda1 /dev/sda2 /dev/sda5 /dev/sda6 /dev/sdb1 /dev/sdb2 /dev/sdb5
[04:22] <icanhasadmin> dotech: don't use it
[04:22] <Gokee2> SilverDawn, np
[04:23] <dotech> icanhasadmin: when its running it works though, kind of afraid to get rid of it and have to work through more sound problems
[04:24] <SilverDawn> hrm
[04:24] <icanhasadmin> dotech: probabaly not the right place to talk about this, but OSS4 seems to work with anything
[04:24] <SilverDawn> compiz is a strange window manager sometimes
[04:25] <icanhasadmin> SilverDawn: only some times? and are you refering to the decorations or compiz as a whole?
[04:25] <SilverDawn> Compiz as a whole, Its way of focusing windows.... isnt quite right
[04:25] <dotech> icanhasadmin: yea, but since pulse is the default in hardy i'm trying to figure out what's wrong with it before thousands of other users do
[04:26] <dotech> as in, before other users have the problem
[04:26] <icanhasadmin> dotech: ah yes. have fun :)
[04:26] <bluefoxx> why is aptitude upgrade depreciated?
[04:26] <icanhasadmin> SilverDawn: it's adjustable
[04:26] <SilverDawn> Yes... but it seems to half work and half not
[04:26] <icanhasadmin> bluefoxx: aptitude in general is depreciated :P
[04:26] <SilverDawn> I cant figure out how to make it constantly work the way i want it too
[04:26] <RAOF> bluefoxx: It's now spelled "safe-upgrade"
[04:27] <SilverDawn> i want it so if you clikc anywhere in the window, it will raise it.
[04:27] <RAOF> bluefoxx: Instead of "upgrade", and "full-upgrade" instead of "dist-upgrade".
[04:27] <SilverDawn> It just doesnt seem to be working right
[04:27] <SilverDawn> Might be the fact i updated a bunch of gnome components and never restarted X though
[04:28] <dotech> anyone know how to restart pulseaudio when it dies without logging out?
[04:28] <dotech> i'm trying to run the init script but nothing happens
[04:28] <RAOF> dotech: Run "pulseaudio" in a shell.
[04:28] <TheBurninator> pulseaudio works great for me
[04:28] <RAOF> dotech: We don't use the system-wide daemon by default.
[04:28] <dotech> RAOF: so just pulseaudio & should do it?
[04:28] <RAOF> dotech: Yup.
[04:28] <TheBurninator> except i had to get a pulse plugin for vlc
[04:28] <saltedlight> anyone used google calendar with evolution? and if yes, have you edited the calendar or just got read-only?
[04:28] <dotech> RAOF: thanks
[04:29] <White_Magic> Woops..
[04:29] <dotech> RAOF: darn, it didn't use my config haha, i'll find the right parameters that i need
[04:29] <White_Magic> accedentally did that and i think its alrrady running..
[04:29] <dotech> TheBurninator: yea it works great for me too but it randomly seems to die
[04:29] <SilverDawn> good night everyone
[04:30] <TheBurninator> is pulseaudio going to be enabled by default in the final release of hardy?
[04:30] <linkinxp> guys should i reboot after  i installed a software trough Wine? to make it work?
[04:30] <RAOF> linkinxp: No.  That shouldn't be necessary.
[04:30] <dotech> RAOF: do you know how pulseaudio runs upon login?  i'm just curious what parameters it is being called with
[04:30] <afuchs> saltedlight, i looked at it today, no clue about what 'name' means
[04:31] <linkinxp> RAOF,  it doesnt work then?
[04:31] <linkinxp> RAOF,  i installed WebcamXp
[04:31] <linkinxp> RAOF,  and if it doesnt work can u tell me any soft for broadcast my webcam?
[04:31] <RAOF> linkinxp: That's unlikely to work, because it's likely to want hardware access, which wine doesn't provide.
[04:31] <White_Magic> Anyone know how to run AWN with just Gnome and Metacy?
[04:31] <saltedlight> afuchs, were exactly?
[04:32] <jimmygoon> White_Magic, It needs compositing
[04:32] <RAOF> White_Magic: Turn on metacity's compositor (/apps/metacity/general/composite_manager), then run AWN.
[04:32] <White_Magic> Doesnt Hardy's Gnome have compositor?
[04:32] <linkinxp> RAOF,  hummm can u recommend me any tool for that purpose?
[04:32] <SilverDawn> One quick question though
[04:32] <afuchs> xcompmgr? if metacity doesn't have one
[04:32] <SilverDawn> Why is opera not in hardys repos
[04:32] <RAOF> linkinxp: Absolutely no idea.
[04:33] <SilverDawn> The webbrowser opera.... Its not in any of the repos... Anyone know why? =\
[04:33] <White_Magic> RAOF: there is no /apps
[04:33] <AngryBacon> Can someone help me get my nvidia drivers going? logs & config in link http://sh.nu/p/24236
[04:33] <linkinxp> RAOF,  ;( thanls
[04:33] <linkinxp> thanks*
[04:33] <Zelta> SilverDawn: Because it is not open source
[04:33] <RAOF> White_Magic: Oh, sorry.  In gconf.  Fire up gconf-editor.
[04:33] <IdleOne> SilverDawn: it is not in any ubuntu repo
[04:33] <IdleOne> but you can install it
[04:33] <RAOF> IdleOne: It's not in -partners?
[04:33] <SilverDawn> Zelta, ahh but neither is the nvidia drivers.
[04:33] <RAOF> IdleOne: It has been in the past.
[04:33] <afuchs> saltedlight, when you go to add a new calendar and select 'google' from the menu with 'caldav' and 'on this computer' in it
[04:33] <SilverDawn> Or flash
[04:33] <IdleOne> RAOF: hmm not that I know of
[04:34] <SilverDawn> But regardless.... do you know where i can get it?
[04:34] <SilverDawn> Because im tired of firefox crashing due to flash
[04:34] <Zelta> http://www.opera.com/
[04:34] <RAOF> AngryBacon: How did you try to install the nvidia drivers?
[04:34] <Zelta> SilverDawn: Opera won't work any better in terms of flash...
[04:34] <Popple2000> really ? my FF is working mint
[04:34] <Zelta> The flash issue has nothing to do with Firefox
[04:34] <RAOF> You can always try Gnash :)
[04:34]  * afuchs goes to disable ati drivers in the hope that blender will work with software rendering...
[04:34] <SilverDawn> Gnash doesnt work with anything
[04:34] <SilverDawn> lol
[04:34] <IdleOne> RAOF: it might be I am not sure
[04:35] <Zelta> you can use gnash if you want to be severely crippled in terms of flash content
[04:35] <RAOF> SilverDawn: Except for youtube, of course.
[04:35] <saltedlight> afuchs, select google not caldav, and then youl be able to use the google calendar... this is in the book.. not working for me...
[04:35] <SilverDawn> It actually works with youtube?
[04:35] <SilverDawn> When i tried it, It didnt work at all
[04:35] <White_Magic> RAOF: Will Metacy's Compositor Interfere with Compiz if i ever enable it?
[04:35] <jimmygoon> RAOF, is metacity's compositor worth much?
[04:35] <RAOF> jimmygoon: It's a compositor.  w
[04:36] <AngryBacon> RAOF: apt-get install nvidia-glx-new and restricted modules
[04:36] <SilverDawn> RAOF, does gnash actually work?
[04:36] <RAOF> jimmygoon: It enables ARGB pixmaps.  There's drop shadows, and fading.  What more do you want? :)
[04:36] <RAOF> SilverDawn: Yes.
[04:36] <SilverDawn> You use it?
[04:36] <RAOF> SilverDawn: Yes.
[04:36] <Popple2000> gnash works for me on youtube but its very choppy
[04:36] <White_Magic> lol that shadow looks weird..
[04:36] <White_Magic> YAY AWN without Compiz :P
[04:36] <SilverDawn> alrighty, its worth a shot, im assuming 'simply' remove nonfree and install gnash?
[04:36] <RAOF> SilverDawn: Why not give it a try yourself?  Your mileage may vary.
[04:36] <RAOF> SilverDawn: Yes, that's exactly it.
[04:36] <White_Magic> Popple2000: Use the Mplayer plugin for Youtube disable all other ones
[04:37] <White_Magic> only way i could get it to work properly
[04:37] <jimmygoon> RAOF, interesting... It doesn't slow everything down as much as compiz but it is nice
[04:37] <White_Magic> with fullscreen mode and non mushed icons and all
[04:37] <White_Magic> jimmygoon: LOl thats what i said :P\
[04:37] <Popple2000> White_Magic: im using flash with FF its working very well for me atm
[04:37] <RAOF> AngryBacon: Right.  So, questions include: have you restarted?  Did you get the _correct_ restricted modules package, etc.
[04:37] <RAOF> AngryBacon: Also, have you installed the nvidia drivers in a different way in the past?
[04:37] <White_Magic> RAOF: Is there a way to change the Shadow thing...
[04:38] <RAOF> White_Magic: Possibly, but I've never tried.
[04:38] <NiceStrei> Is everyone having problems with the ATI drivers, or just me?
[04:38] <White_Magic> Popple2000: Mplayer plugin and Flash work together AFAIK
[04:38] <crdlb> RAOF: haha, an option in metacity? :D
[04:38] <crdlb> in your dreams
[04:38] <White_Magic> NiceStrei: What kind of problem?
[04:38] <RAOF> crdlb: Hey!  They _do_ hide some stuff in gconf :P
[04:39] <AngryBacon> RAOF: yes to #1, yes but cleaned up to #3
[04:39] <White_Magic> RAOF: Like?
[04:39] <RAOF> White_Magic: Like the compositor, for a start.
[04:39] <Y-Town> will ubuntu/kubuntu beta be upgradeable when the final comes in late April?
[04:39] <White_Magic> Ooh Metacy compositor
[04:39] <White_Magic> just gave me a scatterd black dot
[04:39] <White_Magic> opening
[04:40] <White_Magic> RAOF: Yea i get sketchy opening and such....where its Black dots
[04:40] <White_Magic> kinda black static for aq second
[04:40] <White_Magic> then it goes normal
[04:40] <NiceStrei> all kinds. First, HH whitescreens me. metacity --replace fixes that, but then theres no compiz. Using vesa fixes it too, but then theres no compiz, and also its really hard on the processor
[04:40] <RAOF> NiceStrei: You're using Xgl, aren't you?  Stop that :).
[04:40] <White_Magic> I can use compiz :/
[04:40] <White_Magic> and i have a sucky ATI Raedon Xpress 200M
[04:40] <NiceStrei> RAOF,do tell?
[04:41] <NiceStrei> radeon X1600
[04:41] <White_Magic> XGL Sucks ARSE
[04:41] <Y-Town> will ubuntu/kubuntu beta be upgradeable when the final comes in late April?
[04:41] <White_Magic> AIGLX FTW
[04:41] <icanhasadmin> White_Magic: agreed
[04:41] <AngryBacon> RAOF: and yes to #2
[04:41] <icanhasadmin> NiceStrei: i had a smiliar issue with an x1250
[04:41] <NiceStrei> how do i shot AIGLX?
[04:41] <icanhasadmin> NiceStrei: unfortunately the answer is not simple
[04:41] <White_Magic> icanhasadmin: :P
[04:42] <SilverDawn> okay so far gnash is skipping on audio and the videos a little glitchy in youtube....
[04:42] <White_Magic> i just need to find a Metacy theme that looks like the emerald one i love so much...
[04:42] <White_Magic> I wonder if emerald works
[04:42] <icanhasadmin> White_Magic: how can you use metacity with compiz?
[04:42] <White_Magic> with Gnome Compositor
[04:42] <SilverDawn> i saw someone said disable all plugins except mplayer? where do i do that
[04:42] <icanhasadmin> White_Magic: gtk ftw
[04:42] <White_Magic> SilverDawn: Dont use Gnash for Youtube...
[04:43] <White_Magic> SilverDawn: Try out the Mplayer Firefox plugin
[04:43] <NiceStrei> icanhasadmin: could i find instructions on the forums or somewhere?
[04:43] <SilverDawn> know what its called?
[04:43] <White_Magic> icanhasadmin: Huh?
[04:43] <NiceStrei> or do i have to bother you all for help
[04:43] <RAOF> AngryBacon: Right.  So, do you have something lying around in your /etc/default/linux-restricted-modules-common config file?
[04:43] <icanhasadmin> White_Magic: gtk-window-decorator > emerald > metacity
[04:43] <White_Magic> mplayerplug-in
[04:44] <icanhasadmin> NiceStrei: well to fix it for me, i had to custom build .deb's from the ati binary drivers from the site, and then seriously edit my xorg.conf
[04:44] <White_Magic> RAOF: whats the gconf command again :/
[04:44] <RAOF> NiceStrei: Just remove the xserver-xgl package, and everything should be fine.
[04:44] <AngryBacon> RAOF: it's clean
[04:44] <RAOF> White_Magic: /apps/metacity/general/composite_manager
[04:44] <icanhasadmin> RAOF: he shouldn't have xgl
[04:44] <White_Magic> icanhasadmin: Doesnt Hardy automaticly install ATI Drivers?
[04:45] <icanhasadmin> White_Magic: yes but they don't always work.
[04:45] <White_Magic> RAOF: i mean the command to start gconfi
[04:45] <Popple2000> it did for me
[04:45] <RAOF> White_Magic: gconf-editor
[04:45] <icanhasadmin> Well they don't always work with -12... actually that's a good point
[04:45] <NiceStrei> RAOF: is that it? or should i then install something to replace it?
[04:45] <icanhasadmin> NiceStrei: did you try booting with the -14 kernel?
[04:45] <RAOF> NiceStrei: That's it.
[04:46] <NiceStrei> RAOF: so just do a normal install, when i get a whitescreen, ctrl+f1 and sudo apt-get remove xserver-xgl
[04:46] <White_Magic> aw Emerald doesnt work with Gnome Compositor
[04:46] <SilverDawn> umm
[04:46] <SilverDawn> hmm
[04:46] <RAOF> AngryBacon: So, next steps include: lsmod | grep nvidia, to ensure that the nvidia kernel module is actually loaded.  Manually insmodding the correct nvidia-new.ko and trying again would also be interesting.
[04:46] <RAOF> NiceStrei: That'll only help if you _are_ using Xgl already; it's not installed by default.
[04:47] <icanhasadmin> RAOF: xserver-xgl is NOT installed with Hardy.
[04:47] <SilverDawn> Hrm
[04:47] <SilverDawn> My addons window for firefox is gone
[04:47] <SilverDawn> Nice
[04:47] <RAOF> icanhasadmin: Yes, I know.
[04:47] <NiceStrei> oh..
[04:47] <NiceStrei> well here goes
[04:47] <icanhasadmin> RAOF: sorry i'll shut up now :P
[04:48] <RAOF> icanhasadmin: But Xgl is the easiest way to get all-white-everything :)
[04:48] <SilverDawn> Anyone know how to fix a missing box in firefox =\
[04:48] <icanhasadmin> RAOF: just letting you know, i ran into a bug on a similar card where DRI worked on -14 but NOT on -12
[04:48] <SilverDawn> My addons window wont come up
[04:49] <AngryBacon> RAOF: how do i unload a module?
[04:49] <White_Magic> isnt the newest hardy kernal
[04:49] <White_Magic> -15?
[04:49] <RAOF> AngryBacon: Either modprobe -r, or rmmod.
[04:49] <SilverDawn> 2.6.24-15-generic
[04:49] <AngryBacon> 2.6.24-15
[04:50] <SilverDawn> why am i on generic
[04:50] <SilverDawn> lmfao
[04:50] <icanhasadmin> Newest is -15?... why am i still on -14... i'm up to date.
[04:50] <White_Magic> im still using -12 :/
[04:50] <linkinxp> how i know my kernel version?
[04:51] <linkinxp> what command?
[04:51] <linkinxp> ;S
[04:51] <White_Magic> uname -r?
[04:51] <SilverDawn> uname -r
[04:51] <AngryBacon> RAOF: where would nvidia-new.ko be at
[04:51] <linkinxp> 2.6.24-14-generic
[04:51] <AngryBacon> uname -a
[04:51] <SilverDawn> you only need -r for version
[04:51] <SilverDawn> -a is other crap
[04:51] <linkinxp> when should i use distr-update?
[04:51] <RAOF> AngryBacon: In /lib/modules/stuff/restricted, I think.
[04:51] <linkinxp> dist*
[04:51] <SilverDawn> Anyways, Anyone know how i can fix my firefox issue
[04:52] <saltedlight> i've updated to 2.6.24-15-generic on Fri Apr 4 03:48:31 UTC
[04:52] <saltedlight> so is not that "new"...
[04:53] <chuy> hi, I can't mount sdb1, it says it is not a block device, what's up with that?
[04:54] <AngryBacon> RAOF: Not loading nvidia_new module; not used in /etc/X11/xorg.conf
[04:54] <White_Magic> I have a Similar problem with a USB HDD
[04:54] <White_Magic> its detected in windows
[04:54] <RAOF> AngryBacon: Right; so, that'd be the problem then :)
[04:54] <White_Magic> but cannot get it to load in Ubuntu
[04:54] <White_Magic> so i can access my files ;/
[04:54] <AngryBacon> RAOF: probably because i'm on vesa right now :$
[04:55] <RAOF> AngryBacon: That'd be a part of the problem, yeah :)
[04:55] <emma> This channel is Violating the Freenode MOTD.  There is a corporation in here right now (IRSeek) that the ops of this channel have invited to record what we say, and then publish our content for their profit. Their bot is in the user list as IRSeekBot.  This is supposed to be made easily known to everyone but it is not.
[04:56] <SilverDawn> Hmm, So far ive installed a fair bit of software i'll never use lol
[04:56] <SilverDawn> Anyone know hwo to reset window values in firefox
[04:56] <AngryBacon> and now for the mom.nt of truth
[04:56] <SilverDawn> Because my addons window dissapeared
[04:56] <SilverDawn> And when i close and restart firefox, Its still not coming up where it should, Its somewhere i cant get too
[04:56] <SilverDawn> But it switches its focus to it
[04:57] <linkinxp> Best animation/designing tool for ubuntu?
[04:57] <dwidmann> linkinxp: blender?
[04:58] <linkinxp> dwidmann,  something else? is any other?
[04:58] <dwidmann> linkinxp: dunno ... you asked for the best though :P
[04:58] <SilverDawn> anyone at all know....
[04:58] <linkinxp> SilverDawn,  reinstall?
[04:59] <RyanPrior> Compositing Metacity is pretty cool! I just wish the alt+tab was more responsive.
[04:59] <linkinxp> dwidmann,  lol ok ill give it a shot
[04:59] <SilverDawn> That wont reset where its windows are being placed
[04:59] <dwidmann> SilverDawn: try moving your ~/.mozilla directory?
[05:00] <SilverDawn> nothing useful is kept there
[05:00] <hydrogen> emma: the motd says that the logging is the decision of the owners of a channel
[05:01] <emma> It also says that users should be informed and it should be avoided.
[05:01] <SilverDawn> I should uninstall what i installed and go back to using normal flash.... gnash apparently doesnt like youtube and now i cant make mplayer handle it due to the fact my addons window wont bloody open
[05:01] <SilverDawn> >:\
[05:01] <dwidmann> SilverDawn: nothing useful, just every aspect of firefox's configuration, as well as the extensions
[05:01] <hydrogen> emma: "should"
[05:01] <hydrogen> according to rfc's
[05:01] <hydrogen> thats not a requirement
[05:02] <SilverDawn> dwidmann, ive already rm -rf'ed it twice, And even my bookmarks where still there
[05:02] <hydrogen> now, if you have a problem with it, I"m sure the friendly people in #ubuntu-ops (I think?) would be glad to speak with you
[05:02] <emma> Boy are you ever wrong about that.
[05:02] <White_Magic> Update Manager keeps saying its locked but i dont have any other APT Open
[05:02] <dwidmann> SilverDawn: o.O that's an odd one, ls -a and check for an additional config dir?
[05:03] <linkinxp> Its blender fully compatible with Hardy?
[05:03] <dwidmann> linkinxp: should be
[05:04] <skwashd> i am trying to track down an issue with arp on amd64 hardy
[05:04] <skwashd> if i ping both the dns and gateway everything works fine
[05:04] <skwashd> if i try to apt-get update/install, browse the web, check my mail etc
[05:04] <skwashd> dns lookups fail
[05:05] <skwashd> it seems that ping is the only thing which is capable of populating the arp cache
[05:05] <skwashd> any ideas on the cause of it ... google aint being much help
[05:06] <skwashd> this is a problem with both wifi and ethernet
[05:06] <Raspberry> hmm
[05:06] <Raspberry> anybody else having big issues with nvidia drivers after upgrading to -15 this weekend?
[05:06] <AngryBacon> yeah
[05:06] <Raspberry> and ethernet / wifi :)
[05:06] <AngryBacon> nope
[05:06] <Raspberry> if I revert back to -14 I can get network /wifi working
[05:07] <Raspberry> but in -14 and -15 nvidia drivers have quit working
[05:07] <Raspberry> I had to revert back to -14 and manually install the restricted driver package for -15 ... then it showed nvidia in the hardware drivers, disabled... so I enabled it... but it's still not letting the screen res go above 640x480
[05:07] <Raspberry> yes, i rebooted :P
[05:09] <AngryBacon> RAOF: now i'm getting signal loss
[05:09] <RAOF> AngryBacon: As in - no signal to the monitor?
[05:09] <skwashd> the only work around i can think of is to run a cronjob to find the default gateway and nameserver entries from /etc/resolv.conf and ping them
[05:09] <AngryBacon> RAOF: mmhmm
[05:10] <skwashd> but that is one ugly hack
[05:10] <dwidmann> Raspberry: for the time being you could remove nvidia-glx-new & friends, change a line in /etc/default/linux-restricted-modules-common (DISABLED_MODULES="nv nvidia_new") and manually install using the .run file from nvidia.com
[05:10] <RAOF> AngryBacon: And /var/log/Xorg.0.log says...?
[05:10] <RAOF> Raspberry: Works for me.
[05:10] <Raspberry> dwidmann: it's my "test" laptop -- so I can let it be broken... think it'll be fixed in a couple of days?
[05:10] <AngryBacon> RAOF: its a tad odd
[05:10] <RAOF> AngryBacon: Yes, it is.
[05:10] <RAOF> Heh, you could always try...
[05:10] <RAOF> !nouveau
[05:10] <ubotu> Nouveau is an experimental open-source nVidia driver, aiming for full 3d support.  Homepage at http://nouveau.freedesktop.org/ - EXPERIMENTAL packages at https://launchpad.net/~raof/+archive
[05:10] <dwidmann> Raspberry: I'm sure, that's just a potential work around.
[05:11] <Raspberry> RAOF: this is a Toshibba M200 ... dist-upgraded to Hardy from Gutsy 2-3 weeks ago :)
[05:11] <AngryBacon> (EE) Failed to initialize GLX extension (Compatible NVIDIA X driver not found), but a lot of lines mention vesa
[05:11] <RAOF> AngryBacon: Hm.  That'd be failsafe X kicking in, probably.
[05:12] <RAOF> AngryBacon: I always have problems troubleshooting other people's driver problems because I never have them myself :).  And I do crazy stuff (see point !nouveau).
[05:12] <AngryBacon> !nouveau
[05:12] <ubotu> Nouveau is an experimental open-source nVidia driver, aiming for full 3d support.  Homepage at http://nouveau.freedesktop.org/ - EXPERIMENTAL packages at https://launchpad.net/~raof/+archive
[05:12] <AngryBacon> that a chan?
[05:13] <AngryBacon> RAOF: do they have 3d?
[05:13] <RAOF> AngryBacon: #nouveau does exist, yes.
[05:13] <RAOF> AngryBacon: Kinda.
[05:14] <AngryBacon> RAOF: does it support G92
[05:14] <RAOF> AngryBacon: nv4x cards have reasonable, but _entirely unsupported_, 3d using the gallium branch of a git repository on freedesktop.org.
[05:14] <AngryBacon> Any 3D support is still limited for extremely lucky developers.
[05:15] <RAOF> AngryBacon: Not with 3d, but it should with 2d.  They'd probably quite like you to test it, though; there's a fair amount of nv5x work happening right now.
[05:15] <AngryBacon> ROAF: i,m on a 9x
[05:15] <dwidmann> g92 = geforce 8800?
[05:15] <RAOF> AngryBacon: That's an nv5x.
[05:16] <RAOF> AngryBacon: G7x -> nv4x, G8x, G9x -> nv5x.
[05:16] <AngryBacon> dwidmann: yeah
[05:16] <RAOF> nvidia numbering sucks.
[05:16]  * dwidmann agrees
[05:17] <AngryBacon> RAOF: i,m doimg this for 3d
[05:17] <dwidmann> AngryBacon: then you probably want the nvidia driver .....
[05:17] <RAOF> AngryBacon: Right, so nouveau isn't what you want.  (But feel free to test it sometime)
[05:20] <dwidmann> AngryBacon: and you said the nvidia module failed to load right? Try this: sudo -s; echo 'DISABLED_MODULES="nv nvidia_new"' > /etc/default/linux-restricted-modules-common; sudo apt-get remove nvidia-glx-new;
[05:20] <dwidmann> AngryBacon: then install the .run file from nvidia.com
[05:20] <AngryBacon> dwidmann: way ahead of you
[05:21] <RAOF> dwidmann: He'd be better off trying Envy, from what I gather.
[05:21] <RAOF> AngryBacon: Oh, yours isn't that card which is actually unsupported by everything but the beta driver, is it?
[05:21] <dwidmann> RAOF: why do you say that?
[05:21] <dwidmann> RAOF: (nothing against envy of course, I've used it plenty of times)
[05:21] <RAOF> dwidmann: Because it's easier to update with new kernels, and easier to remove, if I understand it correctly.
[05:22] <AngryBacon> no, the newest official works
[05:22] <dwidmann> RAOF: hmm
[05:22] <Raspberry> hmm
[05:22]  * RAOF has a sliding scale, which starts with nvidia-glx-new, goes through 'automated driver stuff', and has 'manually install a tarball from nvidia.com' at the bottom.
[05:22] <Raspberry> so... is there a package we can use to get around this nvidia driver issue?
[05:23]  * Raspberry is trying to walk his g/f through it 300 miles away in a snow storm
[05:23] <Raspberry> i think they've got over 20" in the last 24hrs
[05:23] <dwidmann> Raspberry: if your sources are up to date, then no, probably not
[05:25] <dwidmann> RAOF: IIRC to remove the nvidia installed with the .run, you just need to use --remove or --uninstall or something similar to that(haven't done it in a while ... I usually use the nvidia-glx-new :) )
[05:25] <Raspberry> ok -- she fixed it
[05:26] <skwashd-laptop> would i file my problem against the kernel?
[05:26]  * AngryBacon is trying envy
[05:33] <edugonch> hello, do somebody know how to change the screen resolution in 8.04?
[05:34] <RAOF> Same way as normal, generally.  I suggest checking out System->Preferences->Screen Resolution
[05:35] <edugonch> Yes but I need more that the top resolution
[05:35] <edugonch> How can I change it?
[05:36] <edugonch> I try in xorg.conf but I can't see anything related to the resolution
[05:36] <RAOF> Right.  So, this is where I ask for details: what grahpics card, what driver, etc.
[05:36] <edugonch> nvidia 7100 with the proprietary drivers installed
[05:37] <RAOF> Right.  So, try installing the nvidia-settings package.
[05:37] <edugonch> I'll do it, thanks
[05:37] <RAOF> This will get you an nvidia control panel, which may allow you to mess with more stuff.
[05:37] <edugonch> I'll try
[05:37] <SilverDawn> hmm
[05:38] <SilverDawn> heres a question for yall, Say i just removed a bunch of stuff from my system, But i dont want to leave configs or any of that anywhere on the system, is there a way to make sure everything gets removed that came with the program?
[05:39] <edugonch> Yes, thanks it works ;)
[05:39] <RAOF> SilverDawn: So, passing --purge to dpkg (via apt-get remove --purge or aptitude purge) will remove the system-wide config.  User local config you need to deal with on a case-by-case basis.
[05:39] <SilverDawn> Ahh okay
[05:39] <SilverDawn> Great
[05:39] <SilverDawn> I was wondering since i recently removed mpd and stuff like init scripts were still present
[05:40] <Joe_CoT> bah, someone upload libgnomekbd1 and libglib1.2 !
[05:40] <SilverDawn> is there any way of cleaning up whats already on the box
[05:41] <SilverDawn> Stuff left over by what ever
[05:41] <RAOF> Dunno.
[05:42] <piedoggie> usb problem.  trying to connect usb mic/headset to vmware workstation.  I start up workstation, plug in usb mic, guest os(xp) recognizes it and I get complaints about usage conflicts from linux drivers.  so far just like 7.10.  when I go to use mic in guest os, no audio comes through
[05:42] <piedoggie> in 7.10, it works, 8.04 not works
[05:42] <omar> Guys the art manager isn't starting, how do I fix it?
[05:46] <piedoggie> any chance for help with my usb problem?
[05:46] <dwidmann> SilverDawn: I know how
[05:46] <dwidmann> :D
[05:47] <dwidmann> sudo dpkg --purge $(dpkg --list | grep ^rc.* | cut -d ' ' -f 1 | tr '\n' ' ') should take care of it IIRC, SilverDawn
[05:47] <SilverDawn> :|
[05:49] <RAOF> Oh, does --purge work on uninstalled but config-remaining packages?
[05:49] <RAOF> This is not something that I've previously cared about. :)
[05:50] <xtknight> yea
[05:50] <dwidmann> oops
[05:51] <xtknight> i think?
[05:51] <dwidmann> It does, but I botched that command :S
[05:51] <SilverDawn> You did
[05:51] <SilverDawn> lol
[05:51] <SilverDawn> Im trying to make sure my system is running as clean as it should be and i have no idea how
[05:51] <dwidmann> should be -f 3 I think
[05:51] <SilverDawn> So any ideas....
[05:52] <dwidmann> sudo dpkg --purge $(dpkg --list | grep ^rc.* | cut -d ' ' -f 3 | tr '\n' ' ')
[05:52] <dwidmann> RAOF: yup, it does
[05:52] <cpk1> SilverDawn: could always back up and do a complete reinstall =P
[05:52] <xtknight> ya that does it
[05:52] <SilverDawn> But why if theres a command that will do it
[05:52] <xtknight> that's pretty neat
[05:52] <xtknight> apt-get should implement that script
[05:53] <SilverDawn> That is neat, Im gona make a bash script for it
[05:53] <cpk1> i take it if i get dpkg: --purge needs at least one package name argument back that means it had nothing to do
[05:53] <xtknight> yeah
[05:54] <SilverDawn> :)
[05:54] <SilverDawn> Yay
[05:54] <SilverDawn> No more having to remove stuff by hand anymore
[05:54] <SilverDawn> :)
[05:55] <xtknight> sudo dpkg --purge $(dpkg --list | grep ^rc.* | cut -d ' ' -f 3 | tr '\n' ' ') [nothing_to_remove]
[05:55]  * SilverDawn has created..... ./sweep
[05:55] <xtknight> dpkg - warning: ignoring request to remove [nothing_to_remove] which isn't installed.
[05:55] <xtknight> :p
[05:55] <xtknight> or you can just do that
[05:55] <xtknight> probably the worst idea ever.
[05:55] <xtknight> :)
[05:55] <SilverDawn> lol
[05:56] <dwidmann> lol
[05:56]  * SilverDawn feels better knowing the lost config files are gone >.>
[05:56] <xtknight> i can just envision the first alpha of that script
[05:56] <SilverDawn> Im a neat-freak when it comes to my computer
[05:56] <xtknight> it purged everything INSTALLED
[05:56] <SilverDawn> Theres no good reason it would do that though
[05:56] <SilverDawn> ;)
[05:56] <akk> these are different from e.g. apt-get autoclean ?
[05:56] <SilverDawn> autoclean just removes old binarys
[05:57] <xtknight> it cleans debs from /var/lib/apt/cache
[05:57] <xtknight> i mean /var/cache/apt
[05:57] <iMatter> err...Apt cache is locked
[05:57] <SilverDawn> dwidmann, thanks for the script =\ that will make my life way easyer
[05:57] <xtknight> which isn't always the best idea when you're running Hardy actually
[05:57] <iMatter> but no APT thing is running
[05:57] <dwidmann> SilverDawn: no problem, glad to help
[05:58] <SilverDawn> ^_^
[05:58] <SilverDawn> So that more or less... scans all packages that ... i donno how it does it
[05:58] <SilverDawn> lol
[05:59] <SilverDawn> why does dpkg --list | grep ^rc.* output uninstalled packages?
[05:59] <dwidmann> SilverDawn: dpkg --list lists all packages that are either install ("ii") or removed but not purged ("rc") or half installed or half removed
[05:59] <SilverDawn> half installed?
[05:59] <SilverDawn> Packages can be half installed? lol
[06:00] <xtknight> yeah you change your mind while it's installing :p
[06:00] <RyanPrior> ^rc.* is a regular expression. ^ means the beginning, rc means that string, . means any character, and a * after it means any number of times
[06:00] <dwidmann> SilverDawn: that happens when the installation fails for some reason or dpkg is killed or the script fails ... etc, or if you dpkg --list in the middle of an upgrade or installation
[06:00] <RyanPrior> so, starts with rc and has any number of any character after it
[06:00] <xtknight> rc i guess means remaining config..that's what dpkg --list outputs
[06:01] <Ashex> Everyone who is using firefox3, open this link: http://woot.dswebhost.net/
[06:01] <Ashex> and tell me if it loads the whole page properly
[06:01] <Ashex> should have an image of the item and a purchase button
[06:02] <SilverDawn> is there a man page for that dwidmann im wondering what the symbols for the other things mean :P
[06:02] <xtknight> Ashex, nope.
[06:02] <xtknight> Cache page timeout. Retrying.
[06:02] <Ashex> hmm
[06:02] <Ashex> this might be a problem
[06:02] <Ashex> firefox can't render valid xhtml/css
[06:02] <dwidmann> SilverDawn: check what ryanprior said about the regular expression, man cut, man tr, man sed (maybe), and of course, man dpkg :)
[06:03] <xtknight> man pages are painful
[06:03] <RyanPrior> man pages are soothing aloe
[06:03] <dwidmann> xtknight: man pages are great, I can't get along without them
[06:03] <RyanPrior> compared to having to read the source code to figure out what stuff does
[06:03] <xtknight> dwidmann, i can't get along with them
[06:03] <akk> man pages are great, I wish projects would stop eliminating them from packages
[06:03] <RyanPrior> or in the case of Microsoft products, exhaustive stress-testing
[06:03] <dwidmann> RyanPrior: That's the epitome of user-unfriendly.
[06:04] <xtknight> sometimes i'd just as soon read the source code
[06:04] <dwidmann> xtknight: massochist o.O
[06:04] <xtknight> i think it's just because man pages are black and white
[06:04] <xtknight> maybe that's why i hate them
[06:04] <xtknight> ii should make a man page beautifier
[06:05] <SilverDawn> im just wondering for the symbols of the other things you mentioned dwidmann, since installed is ii, removed but not purged is rc.... whats half installed && half removed?
[06:05] <xtknight> with color coded commands all pretty :p
[06:05] <dwidmann> xtknight: like konqueror's man kioslave perhaps?
[06:05] <dwidmann> SilverDawn: umm, one sec
[06:06] <xtknight> oh i dunno dont have kioslave
[06:06] <dwidmann> SilverDawn: run dpkg --list and look at the top five or so lines
[06:06] <SilverDawn> hmm....
[06:07] <SilverDawn> it doesnt tell you the symbols
[06:07] <xtknight> man dpkg!
[06:07] <dwidmann> SilverDawn: ah, this is true
[06:07] <xtknight> i don't even see it in the man :0
[06:08] <dwidmann> xtknight: indeed, I check there first too
[06:08] <SilverDawn> i checked the man page
[06:08] <xtknight> time to go to the source code
[06:08] <SilverDawn> :P
[06:08] <xtknight> ;)
[06:08] <akk> Is there a way to change the title of a bug once it's been filed?
[06:08] <xtknight> akk, yes, edit description at the bottom
[06:08] <akk> oh, I just found the "Edit description/tags" link, I forgot to look at the sidebar :)
[06:08] <akk> thanks
[06:09] <xtknight> nice. the amount of new bugs is 48%.  used to be 49-51% !
[06:11] <SilverDawn> dwidmann, where did you get 'rc' from?
[06:11] <xtknight> HH feels like a speed demon now.  i can close 24 FF windows with mutliple tabs each in an instant
[06:11] <xtknight> maybe it's just ff3
[06:11] <xtknight> i use force quit tho so i guess cheating :p
[06:11] <DanaG> Any of you use a Wacom tablet?
[06:12] <dwidmann> SilverDawn: well, easiest way to find that out is to dpkg --list | grep --invert ^ii.* (in other words, find anything that isn't fully installed)
[06:12] <SilverDawn> Nadda
[06:12] <SilverDawn> No output from that aside from the top crap
[06:13] <dwidmann> SilverDawn: I know, that's because you dont' have any others (you purged the rc ones and nothings half/installed broken) .... soooooo, that's good
[06:13] <SilverDawn> aye
[06:13] <SilverDawn> im gona script that one too... run it time to time just to find those other symbols
[06:13] <SilverDawn> lol
[06:13] <RyanPrior> What's HH?
[06:13] <xtknight> i think apt-get needs an autopurge like an autoremove
[06:13] <xtknight> RyanPrior, Hardy Heron
[06:14] <xtknight> and FF is firefox not feisty fawn :p
[06:14] <hp> hi, i have a really funky graphic. After i leave my computer to idle, i came back, every is so blurry beyond recogniztion and i have to restart the computer. why is that?
[06:15] <xtknight> hp, blurry? hmm
[06:15] <xtknight> do you have an LCD?  is it changing to lower resolution somehow?
[06:15] <akk> Or a screensaver that makes things blurry? :)
[06:15] <SilverDawn> Good night everyone
[06:16] <hp> xtknight, yeah, blurry. you can't read anything
[06:16] <RyanPrior> Or maybe the Blurryweb? (http://www.ex-parrot.com/~pete/upside-down-ternet.html)
[06:18] <dwidmann> my coffee cup is empty :(
[06:20] <redwhitewaldo> which codec package should i download gstream extra plugins? or gstreamer ffmpeg video plugin? (for mp3)
[06:22] <daskreech> xtknight: aahhh
[06:23] <xtknight> mhmmm?
[06:23] <daskreech> I just read that as Handy Herion
[06:23] <xtknight> :o
[06:24] <kRush> meh, flash still crashing firefox like crazy =/
[06:24] <xtknight> ya true
[06:24] <redwhitewaldo> folks, what's the  OFFICIAL package to get to get mp3 working???
[06:24] <xtknight> kRush, are you on 64bit
[06:24] <xtknight> redwhitewaldo, ubuntu-restricted-extras basically
[06:24] <kRush> nope
[06:24] <xtknight> im on 64bit and my npviewer crashes all the time.  npviewer wraps the 32bit flash plugin.
[06:24] <xtknight> so 32bit flash crashesa a lot too?
[06:24] <redwhitewaldo> xtknight: oh, i see. what's the diff between  ubuntu-restricted-extras and gstream extra plugins or gstreamer ffmpeg video ?
[06:25] <xtknight> redwhitewaldo, restricted extras installs stuff that's useful for the "rest of us", like flash, mp3, other restricted stuff.  more than mp3
[06:25] <xtknight> and it's the only package name i can ever remember, so.
[06:25] <kRush> xtknight, yep. It's totally random, too.
[06:25] <xtknight> kRush, does your flash just suddenly turn gray and stop working?  particularly with multiple flashes being used..
[06:25] <hp> isn't there an alternative for flash?
[06:26] <xtknight> gnash, but it doesnt support much yet
[06:26] <redwhitewaldo> xtknight: what if i already got flash from within firefox?
[06:26] <redwhitewaldo> will that be aproblem, xtknight?
[06:26] <xtknight> redwhitewaldo, then don't worry about it
[06:26] <xtknight> nop[e
[06:26] <xtknight> it will just overwrite it probably
[06:27] <redwhitewaldo> xtknight: will overwriting the adobe flash be a probleM?
[06:28] <redwhitewaldo> coz flash is working perfectly now. 8
[06:28] <redwhitewaldo> 8-)
[06:28] <xtknight> doubt it
[06:28] <xtknight> dont worry about things till they happen
[06:28] <xtknight> that's my motto
[06:28] <xtknight> :p
[06:29] <xtknight> works a little better with computers than it does with life :)
[06:31] <iMatter> APT is Locked and nothing that has to do with APT is running...
[06:31] <iMatter> so i cannot use anything to get packages now :/
[06:32] <redwhitewaldo>  i've just installed   ubuntu-restricted-extras. it's telling  me about msttcorefronts. Do I want to use defoma fonts? Are defoma (DEbian FOnt MAnager) fonts good?
[06:33] <kmyth> anyone know if nvidia-glx-new works with onboard 7050pv chips?
[06:34] <kmyth> its not detecting my card and restricted driver manager says no proprietary drivers are in use on this system.  it doesnt list the driver either.
[06:34] <RAOF> kmyth: If it works with the latest official nvidia driver, then it should.
[06:35] <kmyth> hrmm
[06:35] <kmyth> maybe something is borked hten
[06:35] <akk> redwhitewaldo: I always install the msttcorefonts, but they're not working for me in hardy -- I'll be interested to hear if they work for you
[06:35] <redwhitewaldo> akk: did you try "x-ttcidfont-conf" package?
[06:36] <jaffarkelshac> i know ubuntu allows multi loggin so far i know (telnet -not secure, and openssh-secure) what other protocols are available
[06:36] <kmyth> .nvidia_new is installed in /lib/linux-restricted-modules
[06:36] <redwhitewaldo> akk, what's so great about msttcorefronts? What's wrong with ubuntu fonts? things look okay now.
[06:36] <akk> redwhitewaldo: I do have "x-ttcidfont-conf" installed -- whether it's actually doing anything, I couldn't tell you
[06:37] <redwhitewaldo> akk: did you read the doc in  /usr/share/doc/x-ttcidfont-conf?
[06:37] <akk> redwhitewaldo: Ubuntu by default comes with very few fonts, and I like to have a choice (and have some that work decently on web pages) so I install all the fonts I can
[06:37] <akk> redwhitewaldo: No, I'll look there now
[06:37] <redwhitewaldo> akk. ok. let me know how it goes for you.
[06:38] <redwhitewaldo> is there _still_ a difference between aptitude and apt-get in 8.04?
[06:38] <redwhitewaldo> if so, which is better?
[06:38] <redwhitewaldo> if X is better, why still have Y?
[06:38] <RAOF> Aptitude.
[06:38] <RAOF> Because people change habits very slowly.
[06:39] <crdlb> aptitude is smarter, but apt-get is more predictable
[06:39] <redwhitewaldo> is that the only reason why apt-get is still around?
[06:39] <redwhitewaldo> crdlb: huh? what do you mean apt-get is more predicatable?
[06:39] <redwhitewaldo> why can't either one be both smarter AND predictable?
[06:39] <RAOF> Because the two are mutually exclusive.
[06:40] <crdlb> it considers fewer things when resolving depencencies
[06:40] <akk> redwhitewaldo: I have the first of those defoma lines in xorg.conf, but not the second one.
[06:40] <redwhitewaldo> akk: hmmm. and doc said we need 2 lines?
[06:40] <RAOF> smarter -> tries more solutions, considers more data -> less obvious.
[06:40] <redwhitewaldo> what is less obvious?
[06:40]  * akk adds the other line and runs the dpkg-reconfigure x-ttcidfont-conf
[06:41] <RAOF> redwhitewaldo: Because the set of data that aptitude works on is larger than that of apt-get, it's less obvious what's going to happen.
[06:41] <redwhitewaldo> less obvious to the human , but not to the computer, correct?
[06:41] <RAOF> Correct.
[06:41] <akk> redwhitewaldo: I notice when this runs, it prints various stuff to stdout then ends with: opendir: No such file or directory
[06:42] <akk> redwhitewaldo: so that may be the reason fonts aren't showing up, but it would sure be helpful if it told me which file or directory it was looking for ...
[06:42] <RAOF> redwhitewaldo: But it's the human who's being teh judge of "predictable", so they're the one who counts.
[06:42]  * akk tries again choosing xtt this time
[06:42] <RAOF> redwhitewaldo: _All_ computers are (very nearly) deterministic.  That doesn't mean we describe psuedo-random-number generators as "predictable" :)
[06:43] <akk> redwhitewaldo: It prints that error regardless of which option I choose.
[06:43] <orvokki> RAOF: Hmm, aren't they relatively predictable if you know the seed?
[06:45] <RAOF> orvokki: They're 100% predictable if you know the seed.  That doesn't mean that you'd *describe* it as a predictable sequence of numbers :)
[06:46] <dwidmann> You'd have to know what the algorithm is too I'm sure, not just the seed
[06:47] <xtknight> this bug really sucks.  Bug 150187
[06:47] <ubotu> Launchpad bug 150187 in poppler "[gutsy] [regression] Evince has very bad quality when printing pdf files." [Unknown,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/150187
[06:53] <orvokki> dwidmann: Sure. The algorithm is usually easier to find out from if you have the binary executable than the seed someone used.
[06:53] <orvokki> s/from //
[06:54] <RAOF> Also, the number of good psuedo-random number generators is not huge.
[06:54] <dwidmann> Indeed
[06:56] <dwidmann> /dev/random ftw?
[06:58] <RAOF> Huzzah for very-nearly-random!
[06:59] <akk> redwhitewaldo: I found a debian bug on it, http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=437674
[06:59] <ubotu> Debian bug 437674 in x-ttcidfont-conf "opendir: No such file or directory" [Serious,Fixed]
[06:59] <akk> redwhitewaldo: and indeed the directories in the script are wrong, and if I change them the error message goes away, but I still don't see the ttf fonts in X
[07:00] <redwhitewaldo> akk: hmmm.
[07:00] <redwhitewaldo> uboto says it's fixed, but you're saying the bug isn't.
[07:00] <orvokki> dwidmann: /dev/random runs out of entropy quite soon though.
[07:01] <akk> redwhitewaldo: Trying a restart of X, and holy smoke, something is slowing it way down now
[07:01] <akk> redwhitewaldo: It might be fixed in debian and not in ubuntu
[07:01] <redwhitewaldo> akk: uh-oh (re slowdown)
[07:01] <redwhitewaldo> akk: and you were just tweaking your xorg file yes?
[07:01] <akk> redwhitewaldo: um, after a restart of X I no longer have my terminal fonts, so further debugging may be delayed :/
[07:03] <iMatter> Is it possible to just delete the dpkg lock file
[07:03] <akk> ah, there they are, they just weren't there for the first terminal started up
[07:03] <iMatter> to continue using APT?
[07:03] <iMatter> because ATM im not using it and it says its locked
[07:03] <akk> redwhitewaldo: ooh, after a restart it has a lot more fonts now!
[07:03] <redwhitewaldo> akk: where do you see more fonts?
[07:03] <akk> redwhitewaldo: so I think that is the appropriate bug -- I'll reference it from the ubuntu bug I filed
[07:03] <akk> redwhitewaldo: xfontsel is all I've tried so far
[07:04] <akk> redwhitewaldo: and xlsfonts
[07:04] <redwhitewaldo> akk:  what's the URL for the launchpad bug u fileD?
[07:05] <redwhitewaldo> guys, i  am on xubuntu and i installed ubuntu-restricted-extras. I've just realized there is a xubuntu-restricted-extras. how do i remove ubuntu-restricted-extras?
[07:06] <iMatter> sudo apt-get remove ubuntu-restricted-extras
[07:06] <akk> redwhitewaldo: launchpad bug 212669
[07:06] <ubotu> Launchpad bug 212669 in fontconfig "newly installed fonts don't show up in hardy" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/212669
[07:06] <redwhitewaldo> iMatter: that only removes 38 kb. installing it put it 20 megs.
[07:07] <akk> redwhitewaldo: I'm still having a problem seeing the font from my xlib program, but I'll probably give up on that for tonight and try some more tomorrow
[07:07] <redwhitewaldo> akk:  i see.
[07:08] <dwidmann> orvokki: I know ... gotta keep everythign else busy to provide it with entropy
[07:09] <akk> redwhitewaldo: aha, fixed for the xlib program too, I just needed to specify encoding.
[07:09] <redwhitewaldo> akk, you mean there's no problem now?
[07:09] <akk> redwhitewaldo: I *think* everything's working okay, with the fix specified in that debian bug
[07:09] <akk> redwhitewaldo: which I'm about to post to the ubuntu bug as a patch
[07:10] <redwhitewaldo> akk: good stuff.
[07:10] <redwhitewaldo> so what can one do with the patch? just have more fonts in programs like openoffice writer?
[07:10] <orvokki> dwidmann: With desktop computers that's easy. It's somewhat hard to generate enough entropy with servers, often.
[07:11] <orvokki> Although I suppose you could remotely play xjump on the server.
[07:11] <orvokki> ^^
[07:11] <dwidmann> orvokki: Yeah
[07:14] <dwidmann> hehehe, could
[07:15] <akk> redwhitewaldo: Patch attached to the bug
[07:15] <redwhitewaldo> akk: you work hadr
[07:15] <redwhitewaldo> hard
[07:16] <akk> redwhitewaldo: I'm just relieved to have found a fix! Thanks for suggesting that x-ttcidfont-conf thing -- I might never have found that
[07:17] <redwhitewaldo> akk, you're welcome. i really don't know the significance of what i've done.
[07:17] <redwhitewaldo> i'm just an newbie
[07:17] <akk> Well, good job in finding that package!
[07:17] <akk> Anyway, past my bedtime, I'm going to bed. G'night!
[07:21] <jaffarkelshac> i know ubuntu allows multi loggin so far i know (telnet -not secure, and openssh-secure) what other protocols are available
[07:24] <BHSPitMonkey> jaffarkelshac, protocols for what?
[07:24] <Black_Magic> something is teribly wrong..
[07:25] <Black_Magic> nvm that fixed it
[07:30] <Joe_CoT> hey, i've been trying to upgrade to hardy for almost a week, but libgnomekbd1 and libglib1.2 need to be updated. ideas?
[07:32] <bluecake> i ve installed proftpd , how to test if it works?
[07:34] <negge> bluecake: just connect to your own IP-address with a client
[07:37] <brianski> anyone have a version of ffox 3b4 lying around? want to apt-get install it to override beta 5, which is not doing well with flash (at least on amd64)
[07:37] <bluecake> negge, at command prompt, ftp 192.168.1.11 ?
[07:37] <Armadillio> how come the rt61pci driver keeps crashing my entire ubuntu 8.04 desktop sessions? it's a linkysy wmp54g 4.1
[07:38] <pen> how to start laptop mode even in AC power?
[07:39] <bluecake> negge, how to list files? i get ftp> prompt, nothing
[07:39] <bluecake> ah.. ls works
[07:43] <bluecake> negge, how to log in anomalously?
[07:44] <brianski> bluecake: i'm pretty sure using ftp from the command line is beyond the scope of this channel, but since we're spoon feeding, user: ftp, password: your@email.address
[07:44] <jbroome> ftp -u anonymous ip.add.ress
[07:44] <bluecake> jbroome, ok thx, i will try
[07:48] <bluecake> jbroome, no -u option in man ftp
[07:48] <jbroome> bummer
[07:48] <YazzY> hi guys
[07:49] <YazzY> any idea why the xmms package is nto included?
[07:49] <Ng> xmms has been removed
[07:49] <Ng> it was using some really old libraries and nobody ever updated it
[07:49] <Linux_OG_> hi
[07:49] <bluecake> jbroome, will i need to enable anonymous login in config file?
[07:50] <Ng> YazzY: try using something like audacious or beep
[07:50] <Linux_OG_> Hello?
[07:51] <YazzY> Ng: ok
[07:51] <YazzY> btw, amarok is using 50% og cpu and tons of ram now
[07:51] <YazzY> somethnig is terribly wrong with the latest version
[07:52] <Ng> Linux_OG_: this is a pretty busy channel, people generally don't say hello ;)
[07:53] <Black_Magic> Seems like
[07:54] <Black_Magic> The Compositor for Metacity Borked Compiz :/
[07:54]  * Black_Magic Kills Metacy Compositor
[07:54] <Black_Magic> wait....
[07:54] <Black_Magic> WTF its unchecked..
[07:55] <YazzY> audiacious is whining about theme engine, it doesnt like QT
[07:55] <cwillu> metacity shouldn't have any bearing on compiz :/
[07:56] <cwillu> they will refuse to run at the same time
[07:56] <Black_Magic>  /usr/bin/compiz.real (core) - Fatal: No manageable screens found on display :0.0
[07:56] <Black_Magic> /usr/bin/compiz.real (core) - Error: Could not acquire compositing manager selection on screen 0 display ":0.0"
[07:57] <Black_Magic> whats command to kill Metacity compositor?
[07:57] <coz_> hey guys
[07:57] <crdlb> Black_Magic: ugh, they still haven't fixed that?
[07:57] <crdlb> disgusting
[07:57] <Black_Magic> crdlb: Fixed what....?
[07:58] <crdlb> metacity's compositor, like every other composite manager except compiz, fails to release the compositing manager selection
[07:58] <crdlb> so compiz cannot replace it
[07:58] <Black_Magic> :/
[07:59] <Black_Magic> how can i disable it...
[07:59] <crdlb> via the gconf key
[08:01] <Black_Magic> There we go
[08:04] <imexil> Hi. Anybody of you having experiences of the saturday update for HHbeta breaking the usage of ndiswrapper? It worked with the pure beta version.
[08:04] <pen> how to start laptop mode on start even in AC power?
[08:05] <pen> how to start laptop mode on startup even in AC power?
[08:05] <coz_> is there any way of getting java6 plugin to work with firefox  effectively?
[08:06] <xtknight> what's this thing about privilege escalation in nautilus?
[08:06] <xtknight> i'm not seeing it
[08:07] <Armadillio> how would i apply this patch? http://lkml.org/lkml/2008/3/2/26
[08:09] <xtknight> "GVFS makes it possible to fix shortcomings of Nautilus such as the inability to restore files from trash, pause and undo file operations, and will make it possible to escalate user privileges for certain operations using PolicyKit for authentication."
[08:11] <savvas> I thought it's spelled privilege
[08:11] <savvas> *priviledge :)
[08:11] <bazhang> Armadillio: this is the channel to ask about that --kernel patch? is that what it is?
[08:12] <savvas> xtknight: probably fiddling around with user permissions
[08:12] <savvas> like.. read a folder that is owned by a root
[08:12] <Armadillio> yes
[08:12] <xtknight> hmm?
[08:12] <xtknight> dont think i see any functionality change from gutsy
[08:12] <savvas> change the owner of a folder etc
[08:13] <Armadillio> actually, it's for the rt61pci driver. but i'm not sure if this goes to the kernel or to the driver itself
[08:13] <savvas> well it could be a future fix ;)
[08:13] <xtknight> it fixes mac80211 module
[08:14] <xtknight> so you can just rebuild that particular module, copy the .ko and you're set
[08:14] <brianski> imexil: yes, i have the same problem - or at least flash is not working with ndiswrapper anymore
[08:14] <xtknight> how exactly i'm not sure tho :p
[08:15] <xtknight> i used the tips here to recompile a single module(alsacore) today.  https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/linux/+bug/200338
[08:15] <savvas> brianski: 64-bit ubuntu?
[08:15] <ubotu> Launchpad bug 200338 in linux "no sound hardy kernel 2.6.24-12 " [Critical,Fix released]
[08:15] <brianski> savvas: yeap
[08:15] <xtknight> e.g. MAKE SUBDIRS=net modules or something
[08:16] <coz_> ok guys anyone here know how to get java plugin working on firefox at all?
[08:16] <savvas> brianski: bug #195422
[08:16] <ubotu> Launchpad bug 195422 in flashplugin-nonfree "hardy heron 8.04 alpha 5 - flash not installed correctly" [Undecided,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/195422
[08:17] <brianski> savvas: indeed, i've already responded in that bug ;-)
[08:17] <brianski> err, a duplicate of it
[08:19] <Peddy> can anyone please tell me of any experiences upgrading from gutsy to hardy?
[08:19] <Black_Magic> How do you change the default Pastebin for pastebinit? Permentantly
[08:19] <brianski> Peddy: generally smooth, but there are some serious bugs outstanding, i would suggest you wait  (wish i hadn't on my laptop)
[08:19] <coz_> Peddy, last time I tried it failed   I generall clean install  things
[08:20] <Peddy> did anyone have problems upgrading from feisty to gutsy? I did but I sorted them out :P
[08:22] <jimiridge> Black_Magic  nano /usr/bin/pastebinit   (its a python script)
[08:22] <savvas> brianski: ah :P I just saw that my bug is a duplicate :\
[08:22] <jimiridge> defaultPB = "http://pastebin.com" #Default pastebin   near the top paragraph
[08:23] <Peddy> does anyone think it will make a major difference if I upgrade from Gutsy to the Hardy beta, or wait until its official release?
[08:23] <Armadillio> how would i apply this patch? http://lkml.org/lkml/2008/3/2/26
[08:23] <Black_Magic> You get the updates...
[08:24] <Black_Magic> when the hardy stable comes out
[08:24] <Black_Magic> if you keep up with updates you will have the stable too\
[08:24] <Peddy> what do you mean?
[08:24] <bazhang> no difference Peddy
[08:28] <brianski> savvas: yeah, everyone and their grandmother seems to be reporting different versions of that bug (what else is new)
[08:28] <Black_Magic> jimiridge: -.- Unknown website, please post a bugreport to request this pastebin to be added (http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org)
[08:34] <jimiridge> well you either learn howto use python and adapt pastebinit to a site its not currently meant for, or deal with the defaults/builtins
[08:34] <Black_Magic> Well Im learning Python ATM
[08:34] <Black_Magic> why exactly isnt it Meant for it?
[08:35] <cvd-pr> Hey any know why the hell sometimes the mouse start to move crazy all over the desktop?
[08:36] <Black_Magic> someone is trying to get into your computer maybe?
[08:36] <jbroome> omg hax
[08:36] <jimiridge> because it has hardcoded urls it can deal with to add an unkown site it doesnt know how to handle posts/gets
[08:36] <cvd-pr> in Linux imposible..... :-)
[08:37] <jimiridge> check elif website == "http://pastebinsite":
[08:37] <cvd-pr> maybe is someting todo woth xorg
[08:37] <cvd-pr> x11
[08:37] <Black_Magic> Ok
[08:39] <cvd-pr> blue magic
[08:40] <Peddy> argh! should I upgrade from gutsy or not? Any opinions?
[08:41] <jbroome> i personally don't care
[08:41] <jbroome> and if you have to ask, then probably not
[08:41] <Black_Magic> Peddy: If you really want to then DO IT
[08:41] <gluer> peddy: only a few weeks and its released
[08:42] <DistroJockey> Peddy: I'd wait 17 days till it's released :)
[08:42] <gluer> DJ: I agree
[08:42] <Peddy> jbroome: why not?
[08:42] <jbroome> /topic
[08:42] <Peddy> ?
[08:43] <DistroJockey> Installed it again today at work and had 403 updates totalling 198MB, and it broke slightly
[08:44] <gluer> DJ: I have 1 laptop with gutsy and 1 with hardy, everytime i get a lot of updates on hardy something breaks,
[08:44] <DistroJockey> gluer: ahh, nods
[08:45] <cvd-pr> 403 updates? what are you talking about?
[08:45] <cvd-pr> ypu download the dialy iso?
[08:45] <gluer> dj: i have both laptop setups looking identical, so its interesting to see the differences
[08:45] <DistroJockey> nope, not the daily
[08:45] <cvd-pr> cheese dpwnlpad the daily iso i you dont have any updates
[08:45] <DistroJockey> gluer: yeah, I have different installs all over the place
[08:46] <Black_Magic> jimiridge: Well i dont know those variables for ubuntu pastebin...
[08:46] <DistroJockey> cvd-pr: you, I did briefly look for the download links for daily, but didn't find them
[08:46] <cvd-pr> cdimgubuntu
[08:47] <DistroJockey> cvd-pr: but I wan't to pull it off a mirror that I don't pay for downloads from
[08:47] <gluer> dj: yeh i think i re-installed hardy maybe 10 times have home on a 16gb usb key with everything i need, fresh install then copy everything back..only takes me a few hours ;-)
[08:47] <DistroJockey> cvd-pr: cheers
[08:47] <cvd-pr> http://cdimage.ubuntu.com/ DistroJockey
[08:47] <DistroJockey> well, atleast those 403 updates downloaded in 1min
[08:47] <DistroJockey> cvd-pr: thanks
[08:48] <DistroJockey> 5MB/sec link rocks :)
[08:48] <hischild> DistroJockey, i made a local repo with all the current updates ... saves me the downloading, instead it just copies =)
[08:48] <gatestone> Is Hardy considerable better than Gutsy on my Thinkpad  Z60m hibernation? Audio?
[08:48] <cvd-pr> i dont understand why ubuntu dont link to the daily instead of the all beta
[08:48] <DistroJockey> hischild: yeah, I'll end up doing that I think
[08:48] <hischild> DistroJockey, apt-mirror ?
[08:48] <cvd-pr> old beta
[08:49] <gatestone> Has the "swap does not work after failed hibernation" been fixed?
[08:49] <DistroJockey> hischild: maybe aptoncd or just a manual copy of apt/cache...
[08:49] <jimiridge> Black_Magic, you could always make a forum post about modifying pastebinit  to utilize ubuntu servers
[08:49] <jimiridge> see who wants to help
[08:49] <bazhang> or a brainstorm
[08:49] <hischild> DistroJockey, then you won't have all the latest stuff, apt-mirror just downloads the entire repo
[08:49] <gatestone> And maybe Skype will work without feedbacking from built-in mic to built-in speakers?
[08:50] <DistroJockey> hischild: ahh, nice. I'll definately look into that. Cheers.
[08:50] <hischild> DistroJockey, about 45GB total .. good luck :-)
[08:51] <DistroJockey> hischild: not something I will be doing if my quota free mirrors don't have the data though then ;)
[08:51] <savvas> you might be looking for apt-proxy
[08:52] <savvas> whatever you download keeps it for the rest of the machines connected to it
[08:52] <gluer> i got 12mbps at work, of that 6mbps has been shaped using qos for me :-)
[08:52] <hischild> DistroJockey, true. But you can specify the repo's it will mirror. I mirror'd the canonical ones for hardy, which ended up for 45gb.
[08:52] <savvas> gluer: which program did you use for qos?
[08:53] <gluer> we have a firewall product called sonar
[08:53] <gluer> linux kernel
[08:53] <DistroJockey> hischild: good to hear
[08:54] <DistroJockey> my ISP has many distro mirrors and anything from the mirror is not counted towards my quota. One reason I chose it :)
[08:54] <hischild> DistroJockey, makes sense. Well, just give apt-mirror one of those mirrors to download and you won't add a single byte towards your quota =)
[08:56] <DistroJockey> hischild: yeah :) I've downloaded 4.5GB of quota free stuff and 2.2GB metered of my 5GB max. That's ok I think, but 45GB might make them a tad upset.
[08:56] <jimiridge> so they rsync from the main servers and provide local mirrirors? thats neat
[08:56] <DistroJockey> yeah
[08:59] <Jkelshac> k
[09:01] <Black_Magic> m having problems with hplips and blue cups :/
[09:18] <Ayabara> some websites say that ff3beta5 is in the hardy repos, but I can't find any updates. some repo I have not enabled?
[09:19] <Bassetts> hi, is anyone running virtualbox under hardy?
[09:19] <hischild> yes
[09:19] <savvas> Ayabara: use the main mirror, system > administration > software sources > select the main mirror to download from
[09:19] <Bassetts> hischild: did you install it using the method on the wiki for gutsy?
[09:20] <hischild> Bassetts, i just did sudo aptitude install virtualbox and accepted the solution it gave me
[09:20] <Bassetts> hmm ok
[09:20] <Ayabara> savvas: main is already enabled. all but "Source code" is enabled in the "Ubuntu Software"-tab
[09:21] <Ayabara> savvas: ah. no.
[09:21] <Ayabara> I get it :-)
[09:22] <Ayabara> the Norwegian mirror was _far_ from updated
[09:22] <Ayabara> savvas: thanks
[09:23] <gatestone_> Hey, is Firefox session saving fixed on Hardy?
[09:24] <gatestone_> GNOME fails always to save Firefox windows properly when ending a session in Gutsy.
[09:24] <savvas> Ayabara: good ;)
[09:24] <hischild> gatestone_, from my experience it's fixed
[09:24] <gatestone_> hischild, nice!
[09:25] <savvas> gatestone_: a bug a day.. reporting it makes them go away :p
[09:30] <gatestone_> savvas, it is a well known Mozilla project bug which now is marked fixed (https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=262258) but seems to break e.g. Fedore
[09:30] <ubotu> Mozilla bug 262258 in XRE Startup "GNOME session support broken ("save current setup")" [Normal,Resolved: fixed]
[09:31] <gatestone_> Thx ubotu, you are so smart. But does this Ubotu message now mean that this is fixed in Hardy?
[09:36] <savvas> if it's fixed in mozilla, i guess it will be fixed in the following version
[09:41] <mon^rch> found delicious bookmarks for ff3... any takers?
[09:44] <vega--_> is there currently some kind of broken libc6-i686 dependency, i get some error when upgrading today
[09:46] <tomahasamoot> I just plugged in a usb phone, which normally gets mounted as a usb block device and shows up on the desktop... but nothing happened
[09:47] <tomahasamoot> I'm on Kubuntu 8.04 alt amd64 w/ all the latest updates
[09:47] <tomahasamoot> using KDE3.5
[09:48] <tomahasamoot> also, as I've been spoiled, I don't know how to mount one of these things by hand :-P
[09:52] <corinth> aMSN picks up my webcam, so does gstreamer properties, on the v4l2src pipeline. However, Cheese doesn't start my webcam. Help?
[10:04] <gatestone_> savvas, but the Mozilla fix broke some distros, like Fedora
[10:07] <mohamed_> when i send application to another desktop is there  amethod to make it disappear from task manager ?
[10:08] <mohamed_> only to appear in task manager when i open the desktop that contain it
[10:12] <Typhox> Why my Ubuntu doesn't play midi's? I don't hear anything.
[10:14] <sharadg>  I am facing issues in the network manager applet. Its not showing the wireless  networks. Anybody faced that issue.
[10:19] <jerichokb> anyone else getting an error updating libcupsimage2?
[10:28] <virtuald> package telepathy-gnome's description says it depends on gossip-telepathy or cohoba, but it depends on empathy
[10:29] <cvd-pr> command to remove, make remove?
[10:30] <virtuald> remove what?
[10:31] <virtuald> Makefiles generaly don't have an option to remove what's installed
[10:31] <virtuald> i think that's what (the package) checkinstall is for
[10:33] <cwillu> kinda sorta, checkinstall is a bit of a hack
[10:34] <cpk1> you can try make uninstall
[10:39] <JDahl> has anyone here successfully been able to use shared folders from WinXP running under VirtualBox?
[10:57] <magnetron> hi! why is the package nikto not included in hardy? it was in gutsy.
[11:13] <savvas> magnetron: ask here, maybe the maintainer is gone: https://answers.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+addquestion
[11:16] <savvas> Port registrant: James Troup
[11:28] <Trewas> magnetron: it was removed from debian and therefore from ubuntu (I noticed because someone just announced ITP for it again in debian)
[11:29] <hischild> ok this is great ...
[11:29] <hischild> for some reason ubuntu won't recognize my 8600GT
[11:32] <dns53> install nvidia-glx or nvidia-glx-new manually?
[11:33] <hischild> attempted to install glx-new and appears to be installed
[11:34] <savvas> Trewas: what's itp? :\
[11:34] <Trewas> savvas: intent-to-package
[11:34] <savvas> because you don't want to know what it means in medical slang :P
[11:35] <savvas> oh
[11:35] <savvas> ok ty
[11:41] <hischild> IIRC the nvidia geforce 8600GT requires restricted drivers, yet it refuses to show in Hardware Drivers.
[11:41] <Ramunas> hello, I was in here yesterday, weird thing are happening with my keyboard, sometimes the backspace key stops deleting stuff, and puts \'s instead of delet\ing stuff
[11:42] <Ramunas> its really annoying, any ideas\ how to fix that?
[11:42] <Ramunas> sorry about the \'s in my messages, its really annoying
[11:44] <timing> Ramunas: so you tried another keyboard yet?
[11:44] <Ramunas> actual keyboard you mean?
[11:44] <timing> yeah
[11:44] <Ramunas> nope
[11:44] <timing> or put a second one in your laptop
[11:44] <Ramunas> its not a laptop
[11:44] <timing> could it be that your backslash is very close to your backspace button?
[11:45] <timing> and you press the wrong key by accident :-)
[11:45] <Ramunas> nope, it used to work fine 2 days before
[11:45] <ty> why cant i browse to pc via netbios name? ie: i have a windows xp machine with running webpages, on another win pc i can browse to http://name but with linux i have to use http://192.168.1.3.
[11:45] <timing> you didn't spill a drink or so?
[11:45] <Ramunas> and I'm not pressing it by accident
[11:45] <Ramunas> checked that already
[11:46] <timing> Ramunas: check with a new keyboard
[11:46] <Ramunas> I didn't, but I'll try another keyboard
[11:46] <timing> Ramunas: can you boot an older kernel?
[11:46] <timing> you could try that as well
[11:47] <timing> so you can check if it's a hardware or software problem
[11:47] <Ramunas> I will do that, will try another keyboard first
[11:48] <timing> I wonder how many people will leave this channel once ubutu+1 == ubuntu
[11:48] <ty> timng: wont they close it?
[11:49] <dns53> there is always a +1
[11:49] <timing> don't know? i mean there is always a ubuntu+1 right?
[11:49] <Ramunas> yup, there's always ubuntu+1
[11:49] <timing> I remember the days when there were 30 people in here
[11:49] <Ramunas> but usually in the beginning of new release its locked for public
[11:49] <Ramunas> its invite only I think
[11:49] <timing> hmm
[11:49] <timing> i came here back then without invite
[11:50] <ty> you have to be on the list... lol
[11:50] <timing> 'The List'
[11:50] <dennda> When installing something I get *quite* a few /var/lib/scrollkeeper/ parsing errors
[11:51] <dennda> Is that normal and has it been reported yet?
[11:53] <timing> dennda: good look:-) https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+bugs?field.searchtext=scrollkeeper
[11:53] <timing> uhh luck
[11:53] <timing> well, both
[11:57] <jaffarkelshac> i am trying to auto mount my nfts paritions, i read i should put (auto default 0 1) into the fstab and someone else said (nfts default 0 0) which is right and what does 0 0 stand for.
[12:00] <ty> has anyone used ubuntu studio? i just installed hte themes it at least looks good
[12:03] <jaffarkelshac> annyone know how to setup wireshark
[12:04] <rsk> apt-get install wireshark ?
[12:06] <dns53> is there anything to setup?
[12:06] <Ramunas> timing, its a hardware issue, thanks for help
[12:06] <jaffarkelshac> yeah, the interface, there is no list in the drop list and when i put in eth0 nothing quiet happens
[12:07] <clusty> hey
[12:07] <Ramunas> is there an on screen keyboard in ubuntu?
[12:07] <clusty> for some reason the upgrade-manager -d fails to upgrade to hardy after the step where it "calculates" package changes
[12:08] <clusty> any nicer way to upgrade besides editing sources.list by hand?
[12:08] <ty> clusty: what error do you get?
[12:08] <clusty> ty, lemme run again to paste exact error
[12:08] <dns53> jaffarkelshac the 00's are for if you should check the file system when you mount it, 0 0  is there as you should get windows to check ntfs instead of linux
[12:09] <jaffarkelshac> dns53, oh my mount question, what about 0 1
[12:11] <clusty> ty, "could not calculate the upgrade"
[12:11] <clusty> ty, and points me to /var/log/dist-upgrade
[12:11] <ty> does it say something about partial upgrade?
[12:11] <clusty> ty, there inside main.log i get: 2008-04-07 13:09:21,721 DEBUG The package 'nvidia-glx-new' is marked for removal but it's in the removal blacklist
[12:11] <clusty> ty, nope
[12:12] <clusty> ty, maybe cause I used envy to install nvidia?
[12:12] <dns53> jaffarkelshac the 6th column seems to be to automatically check the file system from time to time, man fstab
[12:12] <jaffarkelshac> k
[12:13] <clusty> ty, i'll just upgrade by hand: changing sources directly
[12:14] <dns53> it is always best to remove any third party packages and sources before you upgrade
[12:17] <Adys> Anyone got Pulseaudio working since last update? running amd64 atm
[12:21] <enyc> hrrm. I'm tupgrading testing system here from  gutsy>hardy on AMD64
[12:22] <Adys> Woah I should be ashamed of myself
[12:22] <Adys> my speakers were turned off and i was trying to find out why pulseaudio wasnt working
[12:22] <enyc> I get the idea 8.04 LTS is becoming rather static now ;p -- just last minute fixes ...
[12:23] <dns53> it should, we are in april
[12:30] <jk_> i have been trying to set up a static up but so far when i do, i have no internet
[12:30] <jk_> or network connection at all
[12:31] <dns53> well there is the alternate cd that can be used to upgrade the core packages
[12:33] <enyc> jk_: what do you mean 'set up static ip' ?
[12:33] <enyc> jk_: like ... do you mean configuring one on the machine.. or ... asking your ISP to supply one... or what?
[12:34] <jk_> its a home network enyc
[12:35] <bazhang> jk_: normally you need the isp to supply that
[12:35] <jk_> no no, not external ip
[12:36] <jk_> i can connect to the router fine if i tick the roaming in network, but if i try to assign static ip to my desktop i get no connection to my router
[12:37] <Terrasque> Yesterday I noticed some extreme slowness on pages after installing the adobe flash plugin. Is that just the way it is with flash?
[12:37] <Pici> jk_: are you assigning the correct subnet mask, default gateway, dns, etc?
[12:37] <bazhang> jk_: then sounds like you need to configure your router correctly for that--connect an ethernet cable and via a browser do so
[12:38] <jk_> i have configured everything, works very well under other os. subnet mask, dns, gateway, they are all correct but i just cant connect if i use manual configuration
[12:46] <jk_> well somehow the problem fixed itself after restart i have network and internet. One of these days if i have a problem with ubuntu i will just restart
[12:50] <jk_> i am trying to get ntfs to mount on start up, what file type should i write in the fstab. should it be ntfs or fuseblk
[12:51] <dns53> i would use nfs-3g myself to mount ntfs
[12:51] <ml-db> Hello, Anyone whove installed 8.04 as guest os on mac using parallels?
[12:52] <TheInfinity> ml-db: mac with vmware fusion here ;)
[12:53] <jk_> dns53, i hear a lot about nfs-3g never really needed to use it. when i click my drive it mount no problem but everytime i log off and mount again the previous mount point is there and a new one with _ is added, so it keeps goin hdd____.....
[12:53] <vev> in hibernation mode, cant start the pc by touching the keyboard (bios option)
[12:53] <ml-db> TheInfinity: nice! have you tried parallels as well?
[12:54] <TheInfinity> ml-db: a demo, yes, but i didn't buy it, so no chance to try again
[12:55] <TheInfinity> ml-db: vmware fusion has some probs with hardy (and every other linux kernel 2.6.24)
[12:55] <dns53> jk_ well the old ntfs driver works fine if you only need ro acess, if you need rw it is still considered experimental
[12:55] <ml-db> TheInfinity: ok. installed the demo (14? day trial) today. works very well here, but i cant get the network running (yet)
[12:55] <ml-db> TheInfinity: ok, but you still prefer fusion over parallels?
[12:56] <jk_> i will read about this nfs-3g
[12:56] <jk_> !nfs-3g
[12:56] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about nfs-3g - try searching on http://ubotu.ubuntu-nl.org/factoids.cgi
[12:56] <TheInfinity> ml-db: with vmware fusion network etc works like a charm - just vmware tools which let eg switching vm and osx just with mouse or the shared folder maakes probs
[12:56] <bazhang> !ntfs-3g
[12:56] <ubotu> ntfs-3g is a Linux driver which allows read/write access to NTFS partitions. Installation instructions at https://help.ubuntu.com/community/MountingWindowsPartitions
[12:57] <bazhang> see above jk_
[12:57] <jk_> never used this, but i an still r/w to my drives
[12:57] <e_r_c_e> hello, i'm wondering when will be chance to pre-orger hardy'- CDs?
[12:57] <TheInfinity> ml-db: yea ... althogh they are quite identical. vmware fusion is good for cli guys ;)
[12:57] <ml-db> TheInfinity: i suppose ill have to give that a try as well. hopefully that free/open source alternative will do some progress about the networking
[12:58] <ml-db> TheInfinity: "VirtualBox"
[12:59] <jk_> the driver is already on gusty and hardy by default, no wonder i have never come across it
[12:59] <TheInfinity> ml-db: virtual box is also ok, its very fast and not that stable but for personal use ...
[13:03] <johannes_> TheInfinity: there, network up too. (ml-db in disguise)
[13:04] <e_r_c_e> when will be chance to pre-orger hardy'- CDs?
[13:05] <jk_> is anyone here using wireshark, i cant get it to find my device interface, no devices are listerd
[13:06] <e_r_c_e> jk_, is this for somekind listing in-out internet connections?
[13:07] <jk_> i dont understand your question
[13:07] <jk_> if you mean what wireshark is, its a network traffic analyzer
[13:08] <e_r_c_e> if it prints graph with showing your conp in middle and internet servers around you and the thick / thinn line shous how much ya connect to servers?
[13:08] <e_r_c_e> use etherape
[13:08] <e_r_c_e> :D
[13:08] <e_r_c_e> it rox
[13:10] <amx109> when i log into gnome i get a dialog box that says 'internal error failed to initialise HAL!'. anyone have any suggestions on how to resolve this?
[13:11] <e_r_c_e> :D
[13:13] <jk_> amx109, solution on http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=289654
[13:13] <amx109> ty jk_
[13:14] <jk_> sure thing i hope it works
[13:18] <goodhabit> Hello. Is there aviabile a "clean" or "right" way updating using local repository?
[13:20] <e_r_c_e> amx109, i got it
[13:20] <jk_> i am not quiet sure what you mean, do you mean to add sources or just update, to update just sudo aptitude update
[13:20] <e_r_c_e> alt+F2
[13:20] <e_r_c_e> and SUDo
[13:20] <e_r_c_e> sudo wireshark
[13:20] <jk_> e_r_c_e, are you using wireshark?
[13:20] <e_r_c_e> and etherape
[13:21] <e_r_c_e> :P
[13:21] <goodhabit> jk_, I mean "Is it ok using the way just changin gutsy to hardy @ sources.list and aptitude dist-upgrade?
[13:21] <jk_> oh you mean upgrading to hardy goodhabit, well i never tried that. but its what the guide saids, but make sure you have a source back up
[13:22] <jk_> e_r_c_e, wireshark cant find any of my interfaces, when i click list
[13:22] <amx109> jk_, im afraid that suggestion didnt fix my prob. dbus seems to be running fine. thanks for the help tho. ill keep lookin for a fix
[13:22] <jk_> too bad amx109
[13:22] <e_r_c_e> jk_, ckise it
[13:22] <e_r_c_e> close**
[13:22] <e_r_c_e> and then
[13:23] <e_r_c_e> alt+f2
[13:23] <e_r_c_e> sudo wireshark
[13:23] <e_r_c_e> and do it
[13:23] <jk_> so you have to run it as superuser,
[13:24] <e_r_c_e> yep
[13:26] <jk_> when capturing does it slow you internet down e_r_c_e
[13:26] <e_r_c_e> jk_, yes, it usualy is normal, etherape did it too
[13:27] <jk_> e_r_c_e, its not even the internet which is slow, the system is very sluggish
[13:28] <clusty> hey
[13:28] <orthodoc> jk_: is it a dual core intel machine
[13:28] <Raspberry> how do I get the tracker / indexer to work with Thunderbird... it only gives me evolution as an option
[13:28] <e_r_c_e> jk_, it scans for networks, this DOES slow down your computer erc
[13:28] <e_r_c_e> etc**
[13:28] <clusty> i updated to hardy and now compiz looks quite shitty. is this a known error ? http://img529.imageshack.us/my.php?image=screenshot1jd8.png
[13:28] <jk_> no, i have not updated to dual core just yet. i will go for amd though
[13:29] <clusty> notice the top purple fringe
[13:29] <jk_> amd 64 3800+ venice is what i use
[13:29] <orthodoc> ok..
[13:29] <clusty> appears around every window
[13:29] <orthodoc> i had hardy running on an intel dual core
[13:29] <orthodoc> on on eo fthe upgrades, it started running very slow
[13:30] <orthodoc> i discovered that only one processor showed up...
[13:30] <orthodoc> upgrading the kernel image did the trick...
[13:30] <Pici> orthodoc: Perhaps you were running the -i386 kernel not the -generic kernel?
[13:30] <orthodoc> now both of them are identified...
[13:31] <orthodoc> Pici: u r right...
[13:31] <orthodoc> but then booting the generic left me without the nvidia support
[13:31] <orthodoc> inspite of installing the restricted and backport modules
[13:32] <orthodoc> with 2.6.24-15 image, everything works fine...
[13:32] <Pici> Well, as long as its working now.
[13:33] <orthodoc> scrolling pages has been an issue in firefox beta...
[13:33] <orthodoc> any solution to that
[13:41] <Adys> Uhm has anyone had his motherboard beep replaced by a weird speaker beep?
[13:42] <Derspankster> adys: not I
[13:42] <Adys> hmm actually
[13:42] <Adys> not replaced, added
[13:42] <Adys> got both
[13:43] <Derspankster> Adys: not happening here
[13:43] <Adys> updated pulse?
[13:43] <romulo> hi, there is some solution for the cpu stuck thing yet?
[13:44] <Derspankster> Adys: I haven't bothered with Pulse as yet
[13:44] <Adys> oh
[13:44] <orthodoc> adys: not here
[13:44] <orthodoc> have updated to pulse
[13:45] <Adys> Odd, ill dig
[13:45] <orthodoc> i hear the beep though on mistake..
[13:45] <orthodoc> is that the same beep ???
[13:45] <orthodoc> maybe...
[13:46] <goodhabit> Adys, I think you should take a look @ options.
[13:46] <Adys> Im already on it
[13:46] <goodhabit> I think I saw that option somewhere.
[13:46] <Adys> Yes, sound -> system beep
[13:46] <Adys> but its not here
[13:51] <Cartoon> I am trying to install 8.04 with md and lvm on top, but I have not found a way to do it in the installer (apart from the fully manual way in a console)... is it correct that the standard gui installer does not support md/lvm volumes? or am I just blind and cannot find the doc for it?
[13:59] <CyberSnooP> Somehow the poppler-glib reference doesn't show in DevHelp while it does seem installed. Does anybody know if I can make DevHelp find it?
[14:02] <Q-FUNK> where should I reassing bug #213302 to?
[14:02] <ubotu> Launchpad bug 213302 in numlockx "numlockx is not more installed by default" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/213302
[14:02] <Q-FUNK> that's obviously a distro-related issue (which packages are installed by default) and not a numlockx bug.
[14:20] <Ng> Q-FUNK: probably ubuntu
[14:21]  * Ng grins at numlockx. my first ever package!
[14:24] <pen> anyone using GRUB-GFXBOOT?
[14:27] <plurt> erh
[14:27] <plurt> that's the GRUB with a fancy color?
[14:29] <pen> yea
[14:29] <pen> is it safe?
[14:29] <Gilou> what are the general ideas to have ubuntu boot faster?
[14:29] <pen> Gilou: less startup programs
[14:30] <Gilou> yeah, but if I already only have the one I really need at startup? :p
[14:30] <pen> Depends
[14:30] <pen> plurt: are yo using it?
[14:30] <pen> *you
[14:34] <Tatanka> Gilou: build your own kernel
[14:35] <plurt> pen: nah, and I have uninstallable dependencies for splashy/usplash since upgrade to hardy
[14:36] <pen> plurt: I seee
[14:38] <Sergeant_Pony> dotech you here?
[14:46] <jk_> is there an auto cad aternative for ubuntu commercial or free
[14:50] <nesp> jk_, http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=228890
[14:56] <Ymgve> How do I recompile a single kernel module?
[15:02] <jk_> thanks nesp i just checked
[15:02] <elTigre> Hi
[15:02] <elTigre> I can't start firefox
[15:02] <elTigre> in the console it doesn't give me an error, but it just sits there.... no gui no message nothing
[15:03] <elTigre> could somebody please help me?
[15:04] <nesp> elTigre, have you tried rebooting?
[15:04] <elTigre> not yet
[15:04] <elTigre> but it has been some time since I used Windows XP or Vista so that solution wasn't obvious to me
[15:05] <nesp> hehe
[15:05] <Tatanka> elTigre: are you sure no instance is running anymore when you try to start it?
[15:05] <elTigre> and normally it doesnt work in linux anyway
[15:05] <nesp> or clearing your cache.. rm -Rf ~/.mozilla
[15:05] <elTigre> ps aux shows nothing
[15:05] <Derspankster> elTigre: you trying to start firefox from terminal?
[15:05] <Ng> nesp: errr
[15:05] <Ng> nesp: that will do considerably more than remove the cache
[15:05] <elTigre> derspankster: yes, because the launch menu won't work either
[15:05] <Ng> please don't recommend things like that
[15:05] <Ng> elTigre: open a terminal and run firefox from there, see what it says
[15:05] <elTigre> I have
[15:06] <elTigre> it says exactly nothing
[15:06] <nesp> ok.. sorry
[15:06] <Ng> elTigre: and ps auwfx | grep firefox definitely shows nothing?
[15:06] <Derspankster> Ng: he gets nothing, he says
[15:06] <Tatanka> but maybe not when he started it..
[15:07] <Ng> elTigre: if so, run strace firefox and see if it hangs on something (strace will make it run significantly slower than normal, so be prepared to wait a bit)
[15:07] <elTigre> MG: sometimes I have an instance, but that was the last time I ran firefox. if I kill that instance it still won't work
[15:07] <esmw> hello, i'm installing ubuntu in a pc with a sata hard drive, and then when go to do the partition process it's freez at 46% i try ubuntu 7.10 and 8.04 betha and the both are freze no keyb ir mouse... can any body help me?
[15:07] <bazhang> esmw: did the md5 sum match?
[15:08] <elTigre> connect(49, {sa_family=AF_FILE, path="/tmp/.esd-1000/socket"}, 23
[15:08] <dooglus> since upgrading to 2.6.24-15, I can't boot any more.  If I select 2.6.24-14 from the grub menu then it's OK.  Is this a known problem?  How can I make a decent bug report about this?
[15:08] <Ng> elTigre: interesting, that suggests that esd isn't working properly
[15:09] <elTigre> yes
[15:09] <elTigre> but KDE4 sounds work
[15:09] <Ng> dooglus: edit the 2.6.24-15 entry in the grub menu (press e to do that) and then edit the line that starts "kernel" and remove "quiet splash" from the end
[15:09] <elTigre> maybe I should really restart
[15:09] <dooglus> Ng: I don't think that will change anything other than the pretty graphics, right?
[15:09] <Ng> elTigre: ctrl-c that firefox and then kill esd (or remove that socket if it's already running) and see if that helps
[15:10] <esmw> bazhang: yes
[15:10] <Ng> dooglus: it'll make the kernel print what it's doing, so you can see where it gets stuck
[15:10] <dooglus> Ng: after 5 minutes or so the pretty graphics go away anyway
[15:10] <elTigre> tada
[15:10] <elTigre> it works
[15:10] <dooglus> Ng: I took a photo of where it got stuck
[15:10] <elTigre> looks totally crappy
[15:10] <elTigre> but works
[15:10] <Ng> dooglus: that may not be particularly useful becaues the "quiet" option suppresses most normal kernel messages
[15:10] <dredhammer> dooglus do you have a nvidia card?
[15:10] <dooglus> Ng: ok
[15:10] <dooglus> dredhammer: no
[15:10] <Ng> but upload the photo somewhere and I'll have a look, if you want
[15:11] <dooglus> dredhammer: ATI Mobility Radeon X1600
[15:12] <dooglus> Ng: I see 'quiet' twice in menu.lst for that entry:
[15:12] <dooglus> kernel		/boot/vmlinuz-2.6.24-15-generic root=UUID=53ef5e8b-1602-4774-a663-f3303f56f3c5 ro quiet splash
[15:12] <dooglus> initrd		/boot/initrd.img-2.6.24-15-generic
[15:12] <dooglus> quiet
[15:12] <dooglus> Ng: should I remove the 'quiet' on a line of its own, too?
[15:12] <bazhang> esmw: then try burning the iso at the lowest speed possible--what media are you using by the way
[15:13] <esmw> i burn at 8x
[15:13] <chi_> hi all, need some help with CPU_FAN :  the FAN is not working ... lm_sensors are not soupported
[15:13] <bazhang> esmw: what media are you using--brand name
[15:13] <Ng> dooglus: sorry, I meant you should edit the grub menu when you see it on boot, not by editing /boot/grub/menu.list. So reboot the computer and when you get the boot menu, use up/down arrows to highlight the kernel that's not working, and press e, then move up/down to the kernel line and press e again to edit it
[15:14] <Ng> dooglus: rather than change your actual grub config, this just changes the settings for that boot
[15:14] <esmw> bazhang: i don't understand your question, are asking me for the model of the hdd?
[15:14] <dooglus> Ng: ok, thanks
[15:14] <bazhang> esmw the brand name of the cd-r's you are using the media/cds
[15:15] <esmw> imation
[15:15] <bazhang> esmw: what are you using to burn the iso with--what program
[15:15] <dooglus> Ng: any idea what the 'quiet' command in menu.lst does?  it's not mentioned in the grub manual
[15:15] <esmw> k3b
[15:15] <bazhang> esmw: this is gutsy/hardy or what?
[15:16] <Ng> dooglus: it stops the kernel from printing boot messages
[15:16] <esmw> 7.10 and 8.04 betha
[15:16] <esmw> the 2 give me the same problem
[15:16] <dooglus> Ng: I don't mean the kernel parameter 'quiet', I mean the grub command 'quiet'
[15:16] <chi_> aye ppl, my cpu is uncooled!1eeleveen pls help
[15:16] <esmw> at 46%
[15:16] <elTigre> but by the way... how can I make gnome applications look prettier in KDE?
[15:16] <bazhang> esmw what system are you running now
[15:16] <Ng> dooglus: same thing :)
[15:16] <esmw> ubuntu 7.10
[15:16] <elTigre> at the moment it looks like crude old gtk 1
[15:16] <dooglus> Ng: so is the grub manual wrong?  or the menu.lst?
[15:17] <Ng> dooglus: oh, I see what you mean. hmm, I'm not sure, I've never noticed that on its own line before
[15:17] <bazhang> esmw try right click on the iso open with cd/dvd creator you are on gnome?
[15:17] <Ymgve> Could anybody help me with recompiling the rt2x00 kernel module?
[15:17] <esmw> yes
[15:17] <dooglus> Ng: according to the manual, the only valid grub commands are: blocklist boot cat chainloader cmp configfile debug displayapm displaymem embed find fstest geometry halt help impsprobe initrd install ioprobe kernel lock makeactive map md5crypt module modulenounzip pause print quit reboot read root rootnoverify savedefault setup testload testvbe uppermem vbeprobe
[15:17] <bazhang> esmw right click on iso open with cd/dvd creator then
[15:18] <esmw> ok
[15:18] <Ng> dooglus: yeah, I wonder if that's some kind of bug, but Im pretty sure it won't affect anything
[15:18] <dooglus> Ng: but then, 'title' isn't in that list either - seems like the manual's not right
[15:18] <Adys> I got libdb 4.2, 4.4, 4.5 and 4.6 installed on my system atm, is it safe to remove all the < 4.6 ones?
[15:18] <bazhang> esmw: once you are done then run testdisk on the live cd when you have booted into it to make sure there are no errors
[15:18] <Ng> dooglus: it may be that ubuntu is carrying patches
[15:18] <esmw> ok
[15:19] <esmw> bye, see you later :) and thx
[15:19] <dooglus> Ng: if that's the case, then so should the documentation that ubuntu ships, wouldn't you say?
[15:20] <quentusrex> Can someone help me fix my java 1.6 install?
[15:21] <Ng> dooglus: I would., yes
[15:21] <quentusrex> I've downloaded a jnlp file and I can't get it to run. When ever I open the jnlp file, the java control panel opens. I can't get the control panel to run the actual application
[15:22] <jk_> whilst installing using aptitude i closed the terminal window, how do i fix the errors i get when i try to install again
[15:23] <chi_> aye ppl, my cpu is uncooled!1eeleveen pls help
[15:24] <recon69> chi_: have you tried to add a temp monitor to your tool bar to see if it works?
[15:25] <nesp> jk_, sudo dpkg --configure -a ?
[15:29] <quentusrex> Can someone help me figure out this java problem?
[15:30] <coz_> hey guys... I was just about to update when i saw it wants to remove alacarte!!!??
[15:31] <Ng> coz_: what are you using to update? alacarte is still part of the ubuntu-desktop seed
[15:31] <coz_> Ng,   let me pastebin  what the terminal output is for  sudo apt-get dist-upgrade
[15:32] <Amaranth> it's a transition
[15:32] <coz_> Amaranth, ah  ok
[15:32] <dooglus> Ng: other than ubuntu-desktop and its dependencies, which other seeds does the default install add?
[15:32] <Amaranth> or bad deps
[15:32] <coz_> let me pastebin none the less
[15:32] <Amaranth> seems to be libgnome-desktop-2
[15:32] <Amaranth> no need, i am looking at the issue
[15:33] <Amaranth> i mean, i see it here
[15:33] <coz_> Amaranth, oh ok
[15:33] <coz_> Amaranth, would it be wise to ignore this update and just waite?
[15:33] <recon69> chi_: you might want to read https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/acpid/+bug/160291
[15:33] <ubotu> Launchpad bug 160291 in acpid "CPU fan not working properlly" [Undecided,New]
[15:34] <Ng> coz_: yes
[15:34] <Amaranth> What kind of a question is that?
[15:34] <coz_> a questionable question :)
[15:34] <Amaranth> "Hey, should I do this upgrade that removes nautilus, gnome-panel, and alacarte?" "Sure, what do you need a desktop for?"
[15:35] <Ng> well alacarte is hardly the most exciting piece of software ;)
[15:35] <Pici> Its very exiciting.
[15:35] <Amaranth> Ng: Those other two are kind of important :)
[15:35] <coz_> Ng, ooo I disagree   if it were not for alacarte I would not stay on linux  even though that sounds silly  its true
[15:36] <Amaranth> I do not know of anyone who edits their menu enough for it to be a deal breaker
[15:36] <Daisuke_Laptop> apparently this particular update is one i missed.
[15:36] <coz_> Amaranth, I do it all the time... I have told you that in the past :)
[15:37] <coz_> i hate kde  and xfce so gnome is it for me and without alacarte forget it
[15:37] <chi_> recon69:   yesterday i found this bug report you posted me, the information does not help - there is no "i8k.ko" also lm_sensors are not working
[15:37] <quentusrex> Why won't my system let me install the new update to libgnome-desktop-2?
[15:37] <Amaranth> *sigh*
[15:37] <quentusrex> It keeps complaining about a partial upgrade
[15:38] <Amaranth> quentusrex: You should not be using hardy
[15:38] <patrick_> where do i get applets for awn? i've searched all over the web but cant find any
[15:38] <chi_> recon69: furthermore i cant find a cpu-temperature tool in kde4 (also without lm_sensors it won't work i guess)
[15:39] <dooglus> Amaranth: how would his computer know that!?
[15:39] <quentusrex> Here is the link to fix java http://dmartin.org/weblog/how-to-get-java-swing-apps-working-under-beryl-or-compiz-including-java-web-start
[15:44] <recon69> chi_: ok , so what does lm_sensors report when you run "sensors"
[15:51] <chi_> recon69:  i added some stuff to the bug report
[15:51] <chi_> i will also add the lm_sensors output
[15:51] <chi_> but i just says "no sensors"
[15:51] <chi_> https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/acpid/+bug/160291
[15:51] <ubotu> Launchpad bug 160291 in acpid "CPU fan not working properlly" [Undecided,New]
[15:52] <recon69> chi_: then try "sensors-detect" see if it finds any
[15:52] <Drefsab> hi huys does anyone know if theres going to be a server release of 8.04? just picking a distro to use for a new rack server and think id wait if 8.04 server is due
[15:52] <dooglus> quentusrex: I think you'll need to wait for gnome-control-center version 1:2.22.0-0ubuntu6 to hit your mirror
[15:55] <chi_> recon69:  added sensors stuff also to bug report
[15:55] <Ng> Drefsab: there absolutely will be a server release of 8.04
[15:55] <cyclonut> garrh. memory usage. SO. HIGH!
[15:55] <Ng> Drefsab: with security fixes for 5 years
[15:58] <MTecknology> I'm trying to compile lightning, during configure I get this message (http://pastebin.ca/975386) but I have gtk2-engines installed....
[15:58] <recon69> chi_: well, it's getting to specif for me to be anymore help, you just going to have to keep looking, sry and best of luck.
[15:59] <chi_> recon69: thank you anyway! - yeah the problem is hardware stuff ... so i really need someone who is just down with this.
[16:01] <recon69> chi_: well looking around your not the only person with this problem.
[16:02] <chi_> yeah hopefully some clever guys find a fenzy solution ;)
[16:02] <Ng> try contacting the kernel team maybe
[16:03] <Ng> also if multiple people are seeing that, find them and get them to put their information on the bug, mark the bug as Confirmed and set a priority (possibly High if it's potentially damaging hardware)
[16:03] <MTecknology> anybody have any ideas?
[16:03] <Drefsab> cool do we know if it will be far behind the desktop release?
[16:04] <chi_> ng thanks
[16:04] <Ng> Drefsab: it'll be the same day
[16:04] <savvas> Drefsab: well the packages for desktop are the same for the server, maybe a bit more specific. a good company cares for both :)
[16:04] <Pici> MTecknology: you need a corrisponding -dev package for that. perhaps libgtk2.0-dev?
[16:04] <Ng> 8.04 server is a very important release for canonical. you can be sure that it won't be ignored ;)
[16:05] <MTecknology> Pici, ty
[16:05] <Drefsab> cool im going to be looking forward to that, the server arrives next week so I will wait for 8.04 for it then :D
[16:05] <MTecknology> Ng, important b/c of LTS?
[16:07] <Jaymac> Just upgraded my PC to Hardy - my only issue with it is it didn't automatically mount my Windows (ntfs) partition... Some fstab editing solved that, but in the Places Menu, I am unable to rename it from 200.0GB Media to Windows....  any ideas?
[16:08] <Dr_willis> Jaymac,  i belive if you give it a proper label under windows - it will use that instead.. OR....
[16:08] <Jaymac> The specific error message is: Sorry, couldn't rename "200.0 GB Media" to "Windows": Operation not supported by backend
[16:08] <Ng> MTecknology: yes
[16:08] <Dr_willis> Jaymac,  you can go to its properties (right click on the icon and theres some advanced tabs tat let you change the mouunted name and so forth.
[16:08] <MTecknology> wtf
[16:09] <Jaymac> Dr_willis: yeah I have it mounting to /media/Windows - that wasn't a problem..
[16:09] <Dr_willis> Jaymac, its proberly got a blank label. Im in the habbit of alwasys giving disks proper label names under windows now a days. :)
[16:09] <Jaymac> But renaming the actual volume isn't working...  In Gutsy it appeared automatically as Windows I think (instead of 200.0 GB Media)
[16:10] <Jaymac> Dr_willis: OK, could you tell me how to do that?  I  haven't booted that Hard Drive more than a handful of times in the past couple of years :)
[16:10] <MTecknology> I was just about to do an upgrade through synaptic and it wants to remove alacarte, fast-user-switch-applet, gnome-control-center, gnome-applets, gnome-panel, gnome-rdp, gnome-terminal, nautilus, ubuntu-desktop, and some other nautilus stuff........
[16:11] <Dr_willis> Jaymac,  under windows? right click on the disk, properties. give it a label. I think.. :)
[16:11] <Jaymac> Dr_willis: OK thanks, will give it a try
[16:12] <MTecknology> Pici, any ideas here? http://pastebin.ca/975406
[16:13] <Ng> MTecknology: you'll have to wait, the archive is inconsistent at the moment
[16:13] <Pici> MTecknology: uh. no.
[16:13] <RyanPrior> There's a package called libgnome-desktop-2 which wants me to remove package such as ubuntu-desktop, nautilus, gnome-panel, and so on. Should I do it, or is that package broken?
[16:14] <MTecknology> Pici, I'm trying to get Lightning 0.8 installed in thunderbird on x86_64
[16:14] <MTecknology> RyanPrior, "you'll have to wait, the archive is inconsistent at the moment"
[16:14] <Ng> RyanPrior: it just means that there is a transition going on at the moment
[16:14] <rebelThor> hey, can anyone test a page for me? it seems to be rendered in older firefox, but it won't work in ff 3.0b5
[16:15] <MTecknology> rebelThor, if you pm me the link i will
[16:16] <edugonch> Hello, I have a vpn conection with VPNC and I try to connect to a box with windows 2000 from Vinagre.... but I can't, how does vinagre work?
[16:17] <RyanPrior> I just asked a question about the (possibly broken?) libgnome-desktop-2 package but then my client crashed. Did anybody answer?
[16:18] <spudgunner> RyanPrior:  apparently the archive is inconsistent at the moment
[16:19] <RyanPrior> Should I submit a bug, or is this a kink that works itself out?
[16:19] <recon69> chi_: it appears the driver you need is  i2c-i801  , cant be sure of this though
[16:19] <spudgunner> I think they are working it out as we speak
[16:19] <mvo> MTecknology: hold back the upgrade for a bit
[16:19] <mvo> until the new gnome-control-center is build, then it should be good again
[16:19] <savvas> edugonch: it should be able to connect through the remote desktop application
[16:20] <edugonch> Well, I already install the updates, I'll restart and try again
[16:20] <savvas> edugonch: don't know about vpnc though
[16:20] <MTecknology> mvo, ty
[16:21] <RyanPrior> I don't like gnome-control-center. It's never been the UNIX way to have one big app that handles everything. The way we've got it, where different systems are configured by individual apps, is much better.
[16:23] <Ng> gnome-control-center just spawns the same things we use now
[16:23] <Ng> it's functionally identical to the Preferences menu
[16:23] <ph8> does Hardy have per-window volume control? a-la vista?
[16:23] <RyanPrior> Ng: but it's not a menu, it's a big ass cloud of icons.
[16:23] <savvas> RyanPrior: I wouldn't bet on that.. I dare you to run a poll somewhere just to see the opinion of the mass *desktop* (not server) users :)
[16:23] <Ng> RyanPrior: it's categorised instead of alphabetised
[16:24] <RyanPrior> ph8: It has per-application volume control, and I'm sure you could hack per-desktop volume control if you wanted.
[16:24] <savvas> RyanPrior: try http://brainstorm.ubuntu.com ;)
[16:24] <ph8> per app is fine :)
[16:24] <Sergeant_Pony> dotech
[16:25] <Jaymac> Dr_willis: thanks a lot; it worked :)  Although my Windows partition took more than 5 minutes to boot hehe
[16:25] <savvas> most people like to open their stuff in one window instead of searching through the menus
[16:25] <RyanPrior> ph8: Pulse-Audio handles the per-app levels.
[16:25] <RyanPrior> savvas: The problem with the current menus is that they are so cluttered, redundant, and anachronistic.
[16:26] <Dr_willis> Jaymac,  :) gotta love it
[16:26] <RyanPrior> savvas: There's already a Brainstorm idea with hundreds if not thousands of votes asking for a cleanup of the menu system to consolidate configuraiton apps according to feature rather than the haphazard way it's done now.
[16:26] <Ng> it's not haphazard, it's alphabetical
[16:26] <Dr_willis> :)
[16:26] <Ng> if you want them organised by feature, run gnome-control-center
[16:26] <Ng> that's precisely what it does!
[16:26] <savvas> RyanPrior: well i'd expect it to be fixed in the next release, assuming brainstorm started in february :P
[16:26] <RyanPrior> Ng: It's still haphazard. I could give you 200 random words in alphebetical order and it would still be a haphazard list.
[16:26] <Dr_willis> we are getting so many menu items now.. soon we will need MySql to keep track of them all!
[16:27] <Jaymac> I don't see what is wrong with the current menu layout
[16:27] <Jaymac> Everything is where I'd expect it to  be
[16:27] <Ng> RyanPrior: I could give you a dictionary ;)
[16:27] <RyanPrior> savvas: I know things take time, I'm not complaining. I just don't think that Gnome Control Panel is the answer.
[16:27] <RyanPrior> Dr_willis: exactly.
[16:28] <holomodus> hooray for the vista control panel!
[16:28] <hydrogen> gnome is pretty bad.
[16:28] <RyanPrior> Dr_willis: we have waaay too many menu items, and many of them could be consolidated.
[16:28] <Ng> RyanPrior: is there a blueprint about this yet? if not write one.
[16:29] <Ng> RyanPrior: discussions on irc don't lead to work being done. the people who want things doing the work leads to it getting done :)
[16:29] <RyanPrior> The way to consoliate is not to create a new app that regroups them and takes the menu structure we've got away. The way forward is to refactor the config apps and keep them in menus so that they are easy to find.
[16:29] <RyanPrior> Ng: I'm not an Ubuntu driver nor do I have the time to schmooze up to the core team or anything. All I have time for is discussing on IRC
[16:31] <RyanPrior> But if I had nothing but time, I would mock up new menu systems from dawn until dusk. :-)
[16:31] <edugonch> ok, I installed the updates and restart, I connect to the vpn network and did ping to the box I need to connect and it works... but Vinagre doesn't want to connect to this box
[16:31] <Ng> RyanPrior: driver? schmooze? none of these things are required to do useful work
[16:32] <Ng> as a far wiser man than I once said "there are talkers and do-ers" ;)
[16:32] <RyanPrior> Talk is cheap, work is expensive - and I'm a poor man, so I'll give what I've got. :-D
[16:34] <r3k13m_> someone know about how to see the transfer speed rate on nautilus, because I saw it on a screenshot on ubuntu.com
[16:34] <Jaymac> is there a force kill command? exaile has died and is eating 100% CPU.. kill processnum does nothing, neither does killall exaile
[16:34] <Jaymac> I can't xkill as it is minimised in the tray and won't maximise
[16:34] <r3k13m_> kill python process Jaymac
[16:34] <Ng> r3k13m_: isn't it displayed automatically on any long running progress?
[16:35] <r3k13m_> Ng, what do you mean with "long"?
[16:35] <Ng> Jaymac: if a regular kill doesn't work, kill -9 is the most drastic kind of kill you can do. please be careful with it though :)
[16:35] <Ng> r3k13m_: more than a few seconds
[16:35] <prana> hm. why does distupgrade today want to uninstall ubuntu-desktop?
[16:35] <LibertyShadow> Just noticed that one myself :D
[16:36] <r3k13m_> Ng, when I copy for example 600Mb nothing is different with 7.10
[16:36] <Jaymac> john@john-desktop:~$ kill -9 exaile
[16:36] <Jaymac> bash: kill: exaile: arguments must be process or job IDs
[16:36] <prana> LibertyShadow: perhaps i will ignore todays updates and wait until tomorrow
[16:36] <LibertyShadow> They are trying to weed out all of us people who don't read before leaping
[16:36] <LibertyShadow> just kidding
[16:36] <Jaymac> never mind... got it :)
[16:36] <r3k13m_> Jaymac, try to kill the python procces first
[16:37] <Ng> r3k13m_: hmm, odd
[16:37] <Jaymac> r3k13m_: I got it sorted, thanks
[16:37] <r3k13m_> Ng, you can see the transfer speed rate?
[16:37] <edugonch> ok I installed xvnc4viewer and works perfect...... Vinagre diden't connect at all, the client has windows 2000 installed
[16:38] <Ng> r3k13m_: I don't remember exactly, but i definitely get the new progress bar
[16:39] <r3k13m_> Ng, aha, so you did something
[16:39] <r3k13m_> you cannot remember?
[16:39] <cyclonut> sooo is this upgrade tday non recommended?
[16:40] <Ng> r3k13m_: I don't tend to copy large files around very much, sorry
[16:40] <Jaymac> cyclonut: it worked for me
[16:40] <cyclonut> Jaymac: hrmmm
[16:41] <r3k13m_> Ng, but you said you did something to change the transfer bar, right?
[16:41] <Ng> r3k13m_: nope?
[16:42] <r3k13m_> Ng, ok
[16:46] <BadRobot> hi there:-D
[16:46] <BadRobot> i can't start up my laptop after the update
[16:46] <BadRobot> it stays on the boot screen and there hungs for ages
[16:46] <BadRobot> hangs
[16:47] <r3k13m_> how i know if i'm using GnomeVFS or GVFS?
[16:48] <awalton__> If you're on hardy, you should get that dialog any time you move a file.
[16:49] <nemo> r3k13m_: if you're on Hardy, there is no gnomevfs no?
[16:50] <nemo> BadRobot: hey
[16:50] <askand> I can not boot into any of the latest kernels, there is just a whitescreen, how can I solve this?
[16:50] <awalton__> nemo, not everything is ported to gio yet.
[16:50] <nemo> BadRobot: have you tried adding noapci acpi=off to your boot parameters?
[16:50] <awalton__> so gnomevfs will be around at least another cycle.
[16:50] <bicyclist> Help after the last update synaptics says my gnome package is broken and nautilus has been removed.
[16:50] <nemo> awalton__: great. so. now I get to have a mix of two systems :)
[16:50] <bicyclist> how can i reinstall gnome from the cd ?
[16:50] <r3k13m_> nemo, yes thats true, but is odd, that my transfer bar on coping is like in gnomevfs
[16:50] <nemo> awalton__: oh well. at least it is going away.
[16:51] <awalton__> nemo, sad fact of the matter. can't get everyone to port all of their code overnight.
[16:51] <nemo> r3k13m_: sounds like awalton knows his stuff
[16:51] <awalton__> seeing as how I work on it daily, I hope so :)
[16:51] <treitter> the latest updates will remove ubuntu-desktop, gnome-panel, nautilus, etc. - is that a known problem?
[16:52] <r3k13m_> awalton__, there is no package for gvfs?
[16:52] <bicyclist> Ah seems to happen to more than just me treitter
[16:52] <awalton__> r3k13m_, if you're running hardy it should already be instead.
[16:52] <awalton__> *installed
[16:52]  * awalton__ has no idea where instead came frome.
[16:52] <bicyclist> let us just say it make gnome unusable.
[16:52] <awalton__> argh.
[16:52] <nemo> awalton__: nifty. on gvfs itself?
[16:52] <treitter> bicyclist: yeah, kind of a big red flag to not update just yet :)
[16:53] <bicyclist> Am using kde in the moment to be able to surf the web.
[16:53] <bicyclist> treitter: Well to me it is too late ;)
[16:53] <awalton__> nemo, gio/gvfs and nautilus.
[16:53] <treitter> bicyclist: yikes! :)
[16:53] <bicyclist> But hopefully when all is fixed again i can update again.
[16:53] <r3k13m_> awalton__, but it is supposed that in gvfs you can see the transfer speed rate on nautilus, and i dont
[16:53] <treitter> I'm sure it'll be corrected soon, though
[16:53] <treitter> yeah
[16:53] <nemo> awalton__: how does gvfs differ from, say, FUSE? (for those of us who suck and *haven't* read through the implementation)
[16:53] <awalton__> r3k13m_, that dialog is actually in Nautilus. GVFS is what supports remote file systems.
[16:53] <nemo> awalton__: I'm looking forward to more transparency in my remote mounts. less applications failing 'cause they have no clue how to handle a protocol
[16:53] <bicyclist> hopefully cause to be honest i have been an avid kde user in my earlier das but now i just love gnome
[16:54] <nemo> awalton__: hoping gvfs acts kinda like /media automounts in terms of transparency
[16:54] <awalton__> nemo, FUSE is like userspace POSIX, GVFS is a bit higher level than that.
[16:54] <treitter> I'm guessing something accidentally removed ubuntu-desktop, and so the other packages are considered unnecessary, so they're being removed to save space, etc.
[16:54] <r3k13m_> awalton__, ok so the problem is on nautilus not on GVFS
[16:54] <nemo> awalton__: I thought gvfs, while platform abstract, used userspace systems like fuse. guess it doesn't?
[16:54] <awalton__> r3k13m_, most likely. what version do you have?
[16:55] <awalton__> nemo, there is a fuse module written for GVFS that allows you to mount GVFS volumes as FUSE mounts
[16:55] <r3k13m_> awalton__, 2.20.0.0
[16:55] <awalton__> nemo, that lets apps that don't support GIO use GVFS
[16:55] <awalton__> r3k13m_, that dialog is new in 2.22
[16:55] <nemo> awalton__: nifty.  basically. the selfish user perspective.  I doubleclick on an app in my mount created on my gnome desktop.  nothing happens.
[16:55] <nemo> awalton__: if I switch to fuse, it would (almost always) work
[16:55] <nemo> s/app/doc/
[16:56] <awalton__> nemo, as soon as we have that working ;)
[16:56] <nemo> ah :-/
[16:56] <awalton__> nemo, I'm not 100% the file open dialog code has caught up to that yet.
[16:56] <nemo> awalton__: oh well. have a link to module so I can track progress?
[16:56] <r3k13m_> awalton__, but 2.22 is not ready?
[16:56] <awalton__> r3k13m_, it shipped what, a week ago?
[16:56] <awalton__> r3k13m_, hardy has it.
[16:56] <bicyclist> treitter wish to get a statement from the maintainers though.
[16:57] <nemo> awalton__: like. I had sftp://remote mount in, presumably, gvfs - I doubleclick on it, and I suppose it sends vim  sftp://remote/foo/bar as a file.  just as bad as gnomevfs from my perspective :)
[16:57] <awalton__> nemo, your best bet is to watch the svn: http://svn.gnome.org/svn/gvfs/trunk/
[16:57] <nemo> awalton__: gratifyingly, Firefox 3 has no problem with sftp:// - I wonder when that happened
[16:57] <r3k13m_> awalton__, ok
[16:57] <nemo> awalton__: aight.
[16:57] <r3k13m_> thanks
[16:57] <awalton__> nemo, yeah, that's a failure of the file manager to convert uris into fuse paths.
[16:57] <awalton__> nemo, just needs a bit of code.
[16:57] <awalton__> r3k13m_, no problem.
[16:58] <awalton__> nemo, firefox 3 might have adopted gio. I have no idea on that one.
[16:59] <nemo> awalton__: waaaaitasec. file manager into... fuse paths? so my ubuntu hardy *is* using fuse under gvfs??? or are you saying there are 2 issues. 1) no fuse module 2) no support in nautilus   ?
[17:00] <awalton__> nemo, there is one problem: the "open with" dialog needs to pass applications that can't take URIs paths instead.
[17:00] <awalton__> nemo, in order for that to work, you need to have the fuse module installed (of course)
[17:00] <treitter> bicyclist: have you emailed the maintainer of the ubuntu-desktop package or filed a bug against it? That would probably light a fire under somebody :)
[17:00] <bicyclist> Hmm good point.
[17:00] <awalton__> nemo, it's just a bit of code that's missing
[17:01] <Ng> treitter: they're well aware of it. why are you applying updates that remove such important packages?!
[17:01] <Ng> it's not a bug, it's not a mistake, it's a simple transition. it happens all the time in development versions
[17:01] <treitter> Ng: ah, thanks. I didn't apply the update, but bicyclist accidentally did
[17:02] <treitter> Ng: I've seen transitions before, but never ones that would be dangerous like this
[17:02] <bicyclist> and i am not complaining ;)
[17:02] <Ng> treitter: it's not dangerous, because people running hardy on machines they care about know what they are doing, right? :)
[17:02] <bicyclist> It was just me being back home from work. My brain always needs a while to restart then ;)
[17:02] <treitter> and I'm not complaining - glad I caught it :)
[17:02] <awalton__> nemo, there's a lot of GIO/GVFS/Nautilus work still left to do, including documenting pretty much all of it. And there are only 24 hours a day, 6 of those I need for sleep.
[17:02] <awalton__> :)
[17:02] <treitter> mostly just wanted to be sure it was known
[17:03] <bicyclist> treitter: It is not a problem for me. Will heal itself soon.
[17:03] <treitter> right
[17:03] <bicyclist> Just wanted to check if it is well known.
[17:03] <treitter> Ng: thanks for confirming, though
[17:03] <treitter> I'm off
[17:03] <bicyclist> How long does such a transition take normally ?
[17:03] <bicyclist> And what is the reason for the transition ?
[17:04] <Ng> treitter: np
[17:04]  * Gilou loves GVFS
[17:04] <Gilou> that's a so big improvement for Nautilus
[17:04] <awalton__> GIO is a world better than GnomeVFS.
[17:04] <awalton__> GVFS still has a ways to go in terms of features, but we're getting there I think.
[17:05] <Gilou> yeah well both of them
[17:05] <Gilou> I meant GIO/GVFS inclusion
[17:05] <awalton__> they've got quite a twisted relationship...
[17:05] <Gilou> yeah :)
[17:06] <Gilou> anyway nautilus and its "shortcuts" will now really be useful :p
[17:06] <Gilou> because it used to be nice the way it was, but nothing more than that
[17:06]  * Gilou wants its Samba, NFS, SSH, FTP shares displayed/managed the same way from its WM :p
[17:10] <r3k13m_> awalton__, I'm actually using debian sid, and even in sid it is nautilus 2.20, so for me is strange that ubuntu have nautilus 2.22
[17:11] <awalton__> r3k13m_, it's not that strange. I can't speak for debian but it seems they've got a strange blend of GNOME 2.22 and GNOME 2.20
[17:11] <awalton__> maybe they're waiting for GIO/GVFS to mature more? dunno.
[17:11] <awalton__> Ubuntu's not strange as they're shipping GNOME 2.22.
[17:11] <awalton__> (afaik, all of it)
[17:11] <r3k13m_> :D
[17:12] <r3k13m_> i think make such blends is not good
[17:12] <awalton__> I'd have to agree with you.
[17:13] <nemo> awalton__: I do appreciate ditching gnomevfs - I do. just, since you were here and volunteering information, thought I'd pump you for details on the bits that matter to me :)
[17:14] <awalton__> nemo I don't mind at all. I'm here to answer questions.
[17:14] <nemo> awalton__: believe it or not, having gvim work with gnome and remote mounts without a ton of hacking has been something I've wanted for years
[17:14] <awalton__> nemo, just saying that it takes a while to get all of the code going.
[17:15] <awalton__> nemo, you can do that now with gvfs and the fuse module, it's just tedious (doesn't quite work from the GUI yet)
[17:20] <SpookyET> hi
[17:20] <milktoast> hi, I did an update this morning and after the reboot... none of the kernel images were there.
[17:20] <SpookyET> How usable is hardy heron?
[17:20] <milktoast> anyone have this happen
[17:21] <SpookyET> I'm thinking of coming back from Arch Linux.
[17:21] <milktoast> Hardy is great... except for this morning's update
[17:21] <Gilou> milktoast> I didn't encounter that
[17:21] <Gilou> yet I've upgraded this afternoon :p
[17:21] <milktoast> any way to repair
[17:21] <SpookyET> milktoast: mornning update?
[17:22] <akk> SpookyET: It's still kinda rough, but it *will* be good :)
[17:22] <milktoast> i came into my office and did an update... so what ever was made available over the weekend
[17:23] <milktoast> I am running now... but on 2.6.20-15-generic
[17:23] <SpookyET> Is it easy to build packages? I love the Arch Build System. I can just change a configure line and type makepkg.
[17:23] <SilverDawn> hrm.... gmpc needs to be updated in hardy badly..... i wish they'd put in the update :(
[17:24] <RyanPrior> Why isn't Metacity set to composite by default?
[17:26] <RyanPrior> !motu | SpookyET
[17:26] <ubotu> SpookyET: motu is short for Masters of the Universe. The brave souls who maintain the packages in the Universe section of Ubuntu. See  http://wiki.ubuntu.com/MOTU
[17:26] <milktoast> when I run update manager I get this "Not all updates can be installed"
[17:27] <coz_> any news about java6 plugin for firefox?
[17:27] <RyanPrior> milktoast: That's a common problem today. Try rechecking the repositories.
[17:28] <RyanPrior> coz_: The java7-icedtea plugin is supposedly better, though it doesn't work for me.
[17:28] <milktoast> I just ran it... like 1 minute ago
[17:28] <coz_> RyanPrior, no it doesnt work here either
[17:28] <RyanPrior> milktoast: Which is the package that can't be checked?
[17:29] <benanzo> the LED buttons for caps lock/num lock don't work on my first-gen MacBook since ~alpha 7, nor do the screen brightness controls.
[17:29] <RyanPrior> coz_: Does it say "Starting applet" in the info bar then hang on "Applet not started"?
[17:29] <milktoast> It doesn't say... it just give the option of cancel or partial upgrade
[17:29] <RyanPrior> milktoast: Say cancel.
[17:29] <J-_> Where are notes from Tomboy stored?
[17:29] <benanzo> I was hoping this was just a problem with upgrading but I tried latest beta build and still broken
[17:29] <coz_> RyanPrior, no actually if I go to a site that requires java plugin nothing happens at all
[17:29] <RyanPrior> J-_: ~/.tomboy
[17:30] <milktoast> ok, and then it will show me?
[17:30] <RyanPrior> milktoast: Yes.
[17:30] <benanzo> under what package would I file this bug?
[17:30] <J-_> RyanPrior: hmm, I'll look again. I didn't see anything there a long time ago. =)
[17:30] <benanzo> also updates yesterday broke NetworkManager for atheros chips again
[17:30] <benanzo> at least it broken mine
[17:30] <RyanPrior> benanzo: It works on my Toshiba Satellite's atheros chip.
[17:31] <r3k13m_> km
[17:31] <milktoast> ha... it doesn't say it now... I removed moblock and then did the updata manager...
[17:31] <SpookyET> pacman is better than apt. maybe some day one will create an easy to use distro based on Arch Linux
[17:31] <J-_> RyanPrior: I guess .note are the notes. Probably why I didn't see anything name specific
[17:31] <RyanPrior> J-_: yup, that's them.
[17:32] <benanzo> hmmm ... NetworkManager refuses to connect to any networks.  using network-admin and wpa_supp works fine though
[17:33] <recon69> got a new one, anyelse getting crackling from Rhythmbox when selecting a workspace
[17:37] <Sturmkind> hello
[17:37] <milktoast> ok, I just ran the update and go this plus a lot more...
[17:37] <milktoast> E: linux-image-2.6.24-15-generic: subprocess post-installation script returned error exit status 2
[17:38] <milktoast> E: linux-ubuntu-modules-2.6.24-15-generic: dependency problems - leaving unconfigured
[17:38] <Tailsfan> Hello, Is there anyway of booting Ubuntu from a ISO Image without Wubi
[17:40] <milktoast> RyanPrior: any ideas
[17:41] <Sturmkind> Question: I have a fresh installation of ubuntu hardy with all updates. When it starts i get a black screen on the login. How could i reconfigure the xserver? The old way using 'sudo dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg' don't work.
[17:41] <gordolino> Eine Musik-Nachrichten-Sitzung wurde angefragt. Bitte klicken Sie das MM-Icon zum Akzeptieren.
[17:41] <cvd-pr> higher refresh rate hz is better?
[17:41] <gordolino> Eine Musik-Nachrichten-Sitzung wurde angefragt. Bitte klicken Sie das MM-Icon zum Akzeptieren.
[17:42] <gordolino> is here a german support?
[17:42] <Sturmkind> is this a english or a german channel?
[17:42] <jbroome> !de
[17:42] <ubotu> Deutschsprachige Hilfe fuer Probleme mit Ubuntu, Kubuntu und Edubuntu finden Sie in den Kanaelen #ubuntu-de, #kubuntu-de, #xubuntu-de und #edubuntu-de
[17:42] <evand> Tailsfan: yes
[17:42] <Tailsfan> OK, because I have no CD-Rs right now
[17:42] <Sturmkind> into #ubuntu-de and the other channels they tell you to go with your Hardy problems zu #ubuntu+1
[17:43] <Tailsfan> otherwise I would burn it
[17:43] <Pici> !en
[17:43] <ubotu> The #ubuntu, #kubuntu and #xubuntu channels are english only. For a complete list of channels in other languages, please visit http://help.ubuntu.com/community/InternetRelayChat
[17:43] <evand> Tailsfan: use the "demo and full installation" option then hit the option for "help me boot" or something like that in umenu.exe
[17:43] <Tailsfan> OK, let me get the Desktop ISO then
[17:43] <edugonch> hello, I have a problem I try to get permissions to change my user group from users-admin, but when I try to do it I get an error "Unsuspected error"
[17:44] <edugonch> before that I use this command  --_> sudo usermod -a -G vboxusers
[17:44] <edugonch> before that I use this command  --_> sudo usermod -a -G vboxusers my_username
[17:45] <evand> Tailsfan: you'll need to use daemon tools or something similar to make the ISO appear as a cdrom device first.
[17:45] <Sturmkind> is there a way to reconfigure the xserver when i get only a black screen?
[17:45] <Tailsfan> I know, I have Alcohol 52% for that
[17:45] <evand> as there's a routine that checks for a valid CD in the drive when umenu is started, so it unfortunately cannot be run independent of a CD
[17:46] <evand> great
[17:47] <Annirak> I'm trying to get dual displays working on Hardy with a Radeon HD 3870.  I have two Dell 22" monitors (1680x1050).  I have one display working using the radeonhd driver.  What can I do to get the second display going?  Currently I have a cloned display on the second monitor.
[17:47] <kane77> will there be firefox upgrade once it is released?
[17:48] <Pici> kane77: I believe the devs are targetting that for something to include in 8.04.1
[17:48] <kane77> Pici, cool.. I was hoping to hear that :)
[17:50] <prana> Annirak: what does xrandr -q report?
[17:51] <Annirak> prana: one moment
[17:52] <Annirak> prana: http://pastebin.com/d2a8d5254
[17:52] <patrick_> dresfsab there should be
[17:55] <balzac> hello
[17:55] <balzac> I'm struggling to get my broadcom 43 wireless driver working in Hardy Heron
[17:56] <Gilou> drop it, you don't need the internets!
[17:56] <balzac> I also have an intel wireless chip
[17:56] <bardyr> balzac, ndiswrapper is the best option for broadcome
[17:56] <balzac> I can use whichever is easier to set up
[17:56] <opteroN> this beta is horrible for me, video streams in firefox constantly crash, i am constantly getting crash reports for various programs
[17:56] <balzac> ok
[17:57] <bardyr> balzac, intel should work out of the box
[17:57] <orvokki> Hmm, PulseAudio can't play music 24bit for me. :/
[17:57] <balzac> bardyr: maybe I'll put the intel chip in again to see what happens.
[17:57] <versus> Hi Im  looking for a way to autostart irexec at startup may someone tell me a good way to do this? Im using mythbuntu 8.04
[17:58] <prana> Annirak: hm. interesting... i wonder why xrandr doesn't see your second monitor.  how is that monitor connected? does your card have two ports?
[17:58] <Annirak> prana, That'd be a whups on my part.  I had it turned off when I ran xrandr.  This new paste is updated: http://pastebin.com/d52c444ea
[17:59] <Niklas_E> anyone know if/why there are no saa7134-oss (I can't get the alsa to work) in 2.6.24.14
[17:59] <opteroN> is there a way to revert back to the previous ubuntu install i had
[17:59] <Pici> opteroN: no.
[17:59] <Pici> Reinstall.
[18:00] <jbroome> opteroN: restore from the backup that i'm sure you made!
[18:00] <Pici> jbroome: :D
[18:00] <opteroN> i have nothing important to backup, no point
[18:00] <prana> Annirak: cool, from http://www.x.org/wiki/radeonhd it looks like "xrandr --output DVI-I_1 --right-of DVI-I_2 ought to do the trick for you.
[18:00] <magnetron> opteroN: except your previous install of ubuntu, apparently
[18:01] <plurt> anyone know of
[18:01] <plurt> screem not working on hardy?
[18:01] <plurt> keeps crashing on everything I do ...
[18:01] <opteroN> magnetron:  i was just asking if it was possible to revert back from a upgrade
[18:01] <Annirak> prana, nothing happened
[18:02] <Annirak> prana: no errors, nothing
[18:02] <prana> Niklas_E: see bug 212271
[18:02] <ubotu> Launchpad bug 212271 in linux-ubuntu-modules-2.6.24 "2.6.24-15-generic: saa7134-alsa makes HAL to fail" [High,Triaged] https://launchpad.net/bugs/212271
[18:02] <prana> Niklas_E: oh, perhaps that wasn't what you were asking exactly; don't know the answer to your question.
[18:03] <Niklas_E> ok
[18:03] <versus> Im sitting here for more than 5 hours by now and just dont get anything working, im really exhausted, can someone please help me?
[18:03] <prana> Annirak: ah, see question 9.5 on the wiki page i sent... you may have to add a Virtual line to your Display section to get that working.
[18:04] <mattik> versus: What are you trying?
[18:04] <versus> Hi Im  looking for a way to autostart irexec at startup may someone tell me a good way to do this? Im using mythbuntu 8.04
[18:04] <Annirak> prana: thanks, I'll try that and check back
[18:05] <mattik> versus: How are you tried to get it start?
[18:05] <versus> mattik google comes up with a script which doesnt work for me and as i dont use kde there is no autostart folder i can put it into
[18:06] <versus> i read on some websites about starting irexeec as a daemon but I dont actually know what that means or whether it is going to work for me
[18:08] <pen> I got white screen after suspend, is there a way to solve this?
[18:08] <pen>  I still can login by typing pass and press enter
[18:08] <pen>  but it's disturbing to not have a login screen instead of a plain white screen
[18:12] <mattik> versus: have you tried #mythbuntu
[18:12] <asdrubal> when I go to 8.04 will I be able to copy my home directory over to the new installation and have everything work? What things should I leave behind.
[18:12] <versus> mattik i tried #ubuntu-mythtv
[18:13] <LjL> my KSysGuard doesn't seem to list the sensors for CPU temperatures and fan speeds anymore after upgrading to Hardy, although "sensors" in a console still shows them as usual. what gives?
[18:13] <versus> its the same
[18:14] <cvd-pr> any use the UFW firewall?
[18:14] <milktoast> anyone have problems with nvidia drivers after running an update this morning?
[18:15] <ribo> when I install linux-xen on hardy and try to boot with the vmlinuz-2.6.24-15-xen image grub returns: 13 : Invalid or unsupported executable format
[18:15] <cvd-pr> not here
[18:17] <mattik> versus: If you did all right and it doesn't work,is it maybe bug?
[18:19] <pen> I got white screen after suspend, is there a way to solve this?
[18:21] <cvd-pr> how i close open ports?
[18:21] <cvd-pr> 21,22,23,80
[18:26] <Adys> Anyone uses firefox 3b5 on hardy to edit a mediawiki platform? (wikipedia, anything alike)
[18:26] <Adys> It seems ff really doesnt like it, segfaults on posts there
[18:28] <cvd-pr> ufw deny 23?
[18:32] <ph8> Adys: I can try on windows if you like?
[18:32] <ph8> I have ff3b5 there
[18:33] <ph8> my hardy machine is behind me but switched off, and i'm rather lazy
[18:33] <Adys> not much use sorry, its segfaults :)
[18:35] <SilverDawn> Anyone ever catch themselves making their window bounce in beat with music
[18:35] <SilverDawn> :|
[18:39] <LjL> SilverDawn: no, although i'm sure now someone will write a compiz plugin for that
[18:42] <SilverDawn> LjL, I just take the window and bounce it around with the music myself xD usually when im hella bored
[18:47] <aguitel> anyone upgrade to hardy beta?
[18:47] <milktoast> when I try to install anything my system wants to configure some partially installed package (linux-image-2.6.24-15-generic) and it always fails
[18:47] <milktoast> how can I fix this
[18:48] <orvokki> Hmm, how does it fail?
[18:48] <ph8> aguitel: I upgraded a server with absolutely no problems; it's generally the GUI that breaks with these things
[18:48] <milktoast> lots of this  dependency problems - leaving unconfigured
[18:48] <magnetron> !anyone | aguitel
[18:48] <ubotu> aguitel: A large amount of the first questions asked in this channel start with "Does anyone/anybody..."  Why not ask your next question (the real one) and find out?
[18:48] <SilverDawn> :)
[18:49] <ZeroWing> Has anyone tried using Hardy in VirtualBox? Because I'm having a problem with seamless integration. Along with getting the VirtualBox driver to be used.
[18:49] <SilverDawn> I guess its not seamless integration then
[18:49] <SilverDawn> :o!
[18:49] <ZeroWing> No, not now. Funny, though.
[18:49] <SilverDawn> lol
[18:50] <SilverDawn> Hmm.... After running gnome for a few days without restarting X apparently it memory leaks
[18:50] <milktoast> dpkg: dependency problems prevent configuration of linux-restricted-modules:
[18:50] <milktoast>  linux-restricted-modules depends on linux-restricted-modules-generic (= 2.6.24.15.17); however:
[18:50] <milktoast>   Package linux-restricted-modules-generic is not configured yet.
[18:50] <milktoast> dpkg: error processing linux-restricted-modules (--configure):
[18:50] <milktoast>  dependency problems - leaving unconfigured
[18:50] <SilverDawn> brb restarting X
[18:50] <Annirak> prana: I added the 'virtual' line to my xorg.conf and appears not to have made a difference.  I still have cloned output
[18:51] <ZeroWing> Anywho, I have installed the Guest Additions, and all that jazz. But it is not detected and I go into 'low graphics mode'. I do not very much like the new bullet-proof X...
[18:51] <milktoast> ZeroWing:  what are you trying to do?
[18:52] <ZeroWing> Install the VirtualBox video driver. For seamless integration.
[18:52] <milktoast> ah
[18:52] <SilverDawn> actually... i should restart X in approx 3 minuits so my downloads finish...
[18:52] <SilverDawn> sorry just talkin to myself
[18:52] <milktoast> never done that... sorry
[18:53] <ZeroWing> Heh... alrighty, then.
[18:53] <ZeroWing> I'm glad that 'sudo rm -rf /' is no longer usable in Hardy. :p
[18:53] <milktoast> after I did an update this morning everything went boom
[18:53] <SilverDawn> its not?
[18:53] <Hydrogone> now you get to sudo -i first :)
[18:54] <SilverDawn> Man that spoils alot of fun....
[18:54] <ZeroWing> Haha. All have to do that, then.
[18:54] <milktoast> is anyone having kernel update issues?
[18:54] <SilverDawn> When i updated to -15 a few days ago it went smoothly
[18:54] <ZeroWing> Well thank you all anyways.
[18:54] <ZeroWing> Bye.
[18:55] <prana> Annirak: did you re-run xrandr after restarting the xserver?
[18:55] <Annirak> Yes.
[18:55] <milktoast> 2.6.24-15 made my video not work...
[18:55] <orvokki> Which card?
[18:55] <milktoast> first the kernel was missing.
[18:56] <wangfg> ls
[18:56] <Annirak> prana: My xorg.conf is here: http://pastebin.com/d23dec92e, this is my xrandr -q output: http://pastebin.com/d42be6bc8
[18:56] <milktoast> now it is telling me
[18:56] <milktoast> Errors were encountered while processing:
[18:56] <milktoast>  linux-image-2.6.24-15-generic
[18:56] <milktoast>  linux-restricted-modules-2.6.24-15-generic
[18:56] <milktoast>  linux-image-generic
[18:56] <milktoast>  linux-restricted-modules-generic
[18:57] <milktoast>  linux-ubuntu-modules-2.6.24-15-generic
[18:57] <milktoast>  linux-generic
[18:57] <milktoast>  linux-restricted-modules
[18:57] <milktoast>  linux
[18:57] <milktoast>  linux-image
[18:57] <LjL> !paste
[18:57] <ubotu> pastebin is a service to post multiple-lined texts so you don't flood the channel. The Ubuntu pastebin is at http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org (make sure you give us the URL for your paste - see also the channel topic)
[18:57] <Annirak> milktoast: pastebin.
[18:57] <milktoast> huh
[18:57] <LjL> how's the sudo rm thing implemented?
[18:57] <milktoast> pastebin ??
[18:58] <LjL> milktoast: read what the bot just said?
[18:58] <kane77> LjL, what sudo rm thing?
[18:58] <LjL> kane77: what they were saying above
[18:58] <milktoast> oh,  I thought you were going to assist with this issue
[18:58] <prana> Set your virtual to 1680 2100
[18:59] <Annirak> prana: I'll give it a try
[18:59] <prana> Annirak: er, sorry, that's for vertical... um you want 3360 by 1050 maybe for left/right.
[18:59] <prana> Annirak: some drivers (intel, at least) don't accelerate properly when the virtual space is larger than 2048x2048... not sure about radeon.
[19:00] <Annirak> prana: depends on the radeonhd driver
[19:00] <Annirak> I know it's getting better
[19:00] <prana> Annirak: anyway, give it a try.
[19:01] <Annirak> prana: This is what I want: --> http://airlied.livejournal.com/57953.html "I got multi-master drm working a while back so I can run two X servers both with access to the DRM so that they can both run compiz at the same time."
[19:02] <milktoast> http://pastebin.com/d76ce9e55
[19:02] <redwhitewaldo> hi, folks. i'm using firefox (ver 3 beta 5) and clicked on a link that is "application/x-java-vm". Firefox is presenting me with 4 plugin choices. 1) GCJ Web Browser Plugin. 2)Java(TM) Plug-in, Java  SE 6. 3) The Java (TM) plug-in, Java SE 5.0. 4) The GCJ Web Browser Plugin (using IcedTea). How in the world should one choose? What should one choose? What are the differences between the 4?
[19:03] <milktoast> is this an IRC to support the beta of Ubuntu 8.04?
[19:03] <redwhitewaldo> milktoast: no
[19:03] <prana> Annirak: good luck :-)  It may be easier than in 1999, but it's still a trick to get everything working.
[19:04] <redwhitewaldo> milktoast: go to #ubuntu+1
[19:04] <Pici> redwhitewaldo: This is #ubuntu+1
[19:04] <milktoast> that is where OI am
[19:04] <redwhitewaldo> oh yeah
[19:04] <redwhitewaldo> sorry
[19:04] <Annirak> prana: No kidding.  But at least it's getting better
[19:04] <redwhitewaldo> milktoast: yes, i mean.
[19:04] <Annirak> restarting X...
[19:04] <redwhitewaldo> this is the irc room for you and me.
[19:04] <milktoast> Ok, who are the supporters
[19:05] <Annirak> And now, the moment of truth...
[19:05] <milktoast> is there anyone here that is part of the 8.04 team
[19:06] <milktoast> anyone that actally works on this beat
[19:06] <milktoast> beta
[19:06] <redwhitewaldo> milktoast: why do you ask.
[19:06] <milktoast> or are we just all a bunch of users
[19:06] <Annirak> prana: xrandr did nothing.
[19:06] <LjL> how can i install all the recommends of (k)ubuntu-desktop, now that i have it all already installed? (upgrading from Gutsy doesn't exactly show you the new things, when most of them are recommends)
[19:06] <Pici> milktoast: Both are here.
[19:06] <milktoast> who is a team member..
[19:07] <Pici> LjL: sudo aptitude install kubuntu-desktop --with-recommends  perhaps?
[19:07] <prana> Annirak: Does the first line of xrandr show a larger virtual?
[19:07] <LjL> Pici: nope, tried. at least, perhaps it would install kubuntu-desktop's *direct* recommends (but i already took care of those), but it doesn't seem to go recursive
[19:08] <Annirak> prana: yes, it does... Screen 0: minimum 320 x 200, current 1680 x 1050, maximum 3360 x 1050
[19:08] <punzada> anyone know if there is more support for audigy based cards and/or the newer nvidia based mobos with hardy?
[19:08] <LjL> Pici: unless, uhm, those are the recommends that are installed by default on a fresh installation... i'm not entirely clear on *what* is installed on a fresh install.
[19:08] <Pici> milktoast: Do you have a specific question that only someone who is actively developing can answer?
[19:08] <Annirak> prana: I tried changing the screen resolutions in the screen app.... and I have dual monitors now.
[19:09] <Annirak> +)
[19:09] <Annirak> =)
[19:09] <Annirak> Yay!
[19:09] <milktoast> I already asked it
[19:09] <prana> Annirak: cool!
[19:09] <Pici> LjL: I thought it already installs the recommends by default, but I could be wrong.
[19:09] <prana> prana: i just got my laptop/external head configured too, which was extremely exciting. :-)
[19:09] <prana> er Annirak: even
[19:10] <milktoast> I updated my system this morning... all my kernels were gone... I recoverd that... now I get this http://pastebin.com/d76ce9e55
[19:10] <milktoast> how can I resolve this issue
[19:10] <LjL> Pici: apt-get doesn't, at least not with my configuration (which is probably a leftover from feisty or something). and even if you add the option, it's not "retroactive". besides, i used a mixture of do-release-upgrade and apt-get dist-upgrade (not for fun... just because the former failed miserably)
[19:10] <Splex> I am trying to connect to a Windows network share.  I can do it manually, but I want to do it with nautilus.  I can browse the network and I can see the shares on the computer, but when I try to actually open a share, it just sits there, waiting.
[19:11] <Pici> LjL: I beleive aptitude pulls in recommends by default, I'm not sure about straight apt-get
[19:11] <LjL> Pici: yes, aptitude does pull them in by default, but only when you install, not when you *
[19:11] <LjL> re*install
[19:12] <Pici> hm.
[19:12] <LjL> Pici: (yes, i can remove kubuntu-desktop and install it again, but again it won't install recommends recursively)
[19:12] <cvd-pr> its me or aptitude dont work anymore?
[19:13] <LjL> Pici: one way could be "apt-cache --recurse depends kubuntu-desktop", get a list, and install them all. but that has two problems, 1) it will also list *suggested* packages and their deps, which i don't want, 2) running apt-get install on each package will cause apt-get to mark them as manually installed, thus destroying the autoremove feature
[19:13] <milktoast> so I am where I started... is there an Ubuntu team member that can actually healp?
[19:13] <milktoast> help
[19:14] <kepukka> has anyone else had problem with new hardy updates? obviously libgnome-desktop-2 package had some dependencies which made installing the ubuntu-desktop metapackage impossible.
[19:15] <milktoast> kepukka:http://pastebin.com/d76ce9e55
[19:16] <Latty> Is anyone else having problems with sound? Amarok keeps telling me the xine device is busy, but it has worked, logging out then back in works, as does closing other audio applications sometimes (if any are running).
[19:16] <cvd-pr> ;
[19:17] <Latty> Also, gnome-terminal appears to have died.
[19:18]  * Latty sighs
[19:19] <x1250> udev runs before mounting /home? I have a script in /home/user symlinked to /etc/udev/rules.d/10-local.rules, but when booting it can't find the file. The link is working, its not broke.
[19:19] <mrtimdog> LjL: check /etc/apt/apt.conf.d/01ubuntu
[19:20] <mrtimdog> LjL: It should contain an "Install-Recommends-Sections" section.
[19:20] <LjL> mrtimdog: it does. oh, so does that mean what's installed by default is only the recommends of metapackages?
[19:21] <milktoast> why can't I update my kernel
[19:22] <[g2]> any clue when Heron goes Gold ? I'm on the latest from the repos now
[19:22] <Gilou> on the 24th
[19:22] <Pici> !schedule
[19:22] <ubotu> A shedule of Hardy Heron (8.04) release dates can be found here: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/HardyReleaseSchedule
[19:22] <[g2]> Gilou: Pici thx
[19:22] <mrtimdog> LjL: Not sure, I just found this before and removed the file as I wanted only the bare bones of packages installed. Just though it might lead on to some more clues!
[19:24] <milktoast> aptitude fails when trying to configure the kernel
[19:25] <balzac_> i'm slowly dying while my intel pro wireless driver refuses to install
[19:25] <milktoast> http://pastebin.com/m23023d11
[19:26] <bardyr> balzac, hmm what chipset?
[19:26] <balzac> 1 sec
[19:27] <[g2]> balzac: my 3945 works fine
[19:27] <balzac> that's the one
[19:27] <Sergeant_Pony> anyone know anything about setting up a wireless connection?
[19:27] <balzac> ipw 3945
[19:27] <[g2]> I did have a little issue with turning out the radio
[19:28] <balzac> [g2]: how did you get it working?
[19:28] <balzac> It was working for me before in gutsy gibbon
[19:28] <balzac> but I just couldn't wait because i'm an obsessive-compulsive upgrader
[19:28] <Sergeant_Pony> under use wpa  driver   what goes there?
[19:29] <balzac> I also have a broadcom 43 chip I can try
[19:29] <hwilde> Sergeant_Pony, wext or madwifi
[19:29] <balzac> but I'm not having success with either one
[19:29] <bardyr> balzac, click on the turn wifi on botton
[19:29] <balzac> Yeah, I've done that
[19:29] <milktoast> so,  no one can help with kernel package issues?
[19:30] <balzac> I've been trying one chip, then pulling it out and putting the other one in when I get tired of trying.
[19:30] <balzac> They're both very common wireless chips
[19:30] <Sergeant_Pony> hwilde what's the difference?
[19:31] <hwilde> Sergeant_Pony, depends on the chipset of your wireless card.  try wext first
[19:31] <Sergeant_Pony> hwilde it's a toshiba satellite laptop
[19:31] <[g2]> balzac: I've got an ACER 5920G
[19:31] <balzac> Mine is an acer 3680
[19:31] <[g2]> in 7.10 I touch a button to turn on the radio
[19:31] <balzac> the broadcom chip was default. (atheros)
[19:31] <[g2]> in 8.4 it seems to work, but only after I hit the button for 7.10
[19:31] <balzac> yeah, mine too
[19:31] <hwilde> atheros might work better with madwifi driver
[19:32] <[g2]> balzac: broadcom != atheros
[19:32] <balzac> I've got the intel chip in right now
[19:33] <balzac> ok, noted
[19:33] <hwilde> with intel chip use wext driver
[19:33] <[g2]> balzac: is the chipset up ?
[19:33] <negge> has the harddrive automount bug been fixed? I manually deleted the mount points and made new ones and edited /etc/fstab on a friends computer (he's using hardy aswell) and after rebooting a couple of times it seems like it isn't fucking it up anymore
[19:33] <balzac> [g2]: how do I know?
[19:34] <hwilde> !language > negge
[19:34] <[g2]> balzac: you can look at the dmesg output or run something like Kismet
[19:34] <negge> sorry for the swearing:)
[19:34] <[g2]> balzac: I'm assuming there some WIFI around you
[19:34] <hwilde> if you want to know the chipset just do lsmod | grep ath
[19:34] <balzac> there is
[19:34] <hwilde> if it returns the ath_pci module that's atheros
[19:35] <balzac> and earlier, I was able to see the wifi networks in my list
[19:35] <[g2]> ok, so it sounds like the receiver is working
[19:35] <balzac> and I was able to get the wifi LED lit up when i pulled the switch
[19:35] <balzac> well, that was probably with the other chip
[19:35] <Ayabara> nickrud: I'm running Hardy :-)
[19:35] <balzac> I'm going to put the broadcom chip back in
[19:35] <nickrud> Ayabara I meant, kubuntu or ubuntu or xubuntu. gnome-panel is an integral part of ubuntu
[19:36] <[g2]> balzac: ok, but I've been able to connect on several access points with the 3945
[19:36] <[g2]> both open and wpa2
[19:36] <Ayabara> nickrud: I'm running ubuntu. the only panelish command I have is gnome-panel-screenshot
[19:36] <balzac> [g2]: was that with a default hardy heron install, or did you have to do something?
[19:37] <[g2]> balzac: well default upgrade
[19:37] <[g2]> from 7.10 (gutsy)
[19:37] <balzac> also, if you go to administration > hardware drivers, do you see your restricted intel driver there?
[19:37] <nickrud> Ayabara very strange.  run    sudo apt-get install gnome-panel. If that installs, it, I'd suggest   sudo apt-get remove --purge ubuntu-desktop && sudo apt-get install ubuntu-desktop  to make sure you have all the pieces
[19:37] <[g2]> or maybe it was alpha5
[19:37] <[g2]> balzac: no, it's the iwl3945 driver iirc
[19:38] <[g2]> the only restricted driver is the NV
[19:38] <[g2]> yeah iwl3945
[19:38] <balzac> did you have to enable a repository to get that driver?
[19:38] <[g2]> balzac: are you running the latest ?
[19:38] <[g2]> it's in heron
[19:38] <balzac> latest hardy heron
[19:38] <[g2]> uname -a please
[19:39] <[g2]> I just want the kernel version #s
[19:39] <balzac>  balzac-laptop 2.6.24-15-generic #1 SMP Fri Apr 4 03:48:31 UTC 2008 i686 GNU/Linux
[19:39] <[g2]> ok we're running the same kernel
[19:39] <IdleOne> is there a wiki page that would tell me how to speed up boot time?
[19:40] <[g2]> balzac: dmesg | grep -i kill
[19:40] <Ayabara> a sudo apt-get autoremove uninstalled gdm. is that supposed to happen?
[19:40] <nickrud> Ayabara nope. That means you are in a strange status, install ubuntu-desktop
[19:40] <Ayabara> nickrud: just started it :-)
[19:40] <IdleOne> Ayabara: uninstalled gdm?
[19:40] <balzac> [g2]: this one I should paste somewhere else
[19:40] <balzac> It's several lines
[19:41] <nickrud> IdleOne you changed your nick back
[19:41] <IdleOne> !paste | balzac
[19:41] <ubotu> balzac: pastebin is a service to post multiple-lined texts so you don't flood the channel. The Ubuntu pastebin is at http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org (make sure you give us the URL for your paste - see also the channel topic)
[19:41] <IdleOne> nickrud: yeah but still have the HardyOne nick
[19:41] <Upayavira> Just upgraded. Amongst other things, xgl isn't working. Tracked it down to glxinfo is core dumping when run as me, but not when run as root. Any ideas?
[19:41] <[g2]> balzac: is the radio kill switch on ?
[19:41] <jcanfield> Hardy network-admin appears to be a mess.  Am i the only one having trouble setting a static IP?
[19:41] <IdleOne> nickrud: so did you I see lol
[19:41] <balzac> http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/62444/
[19:41] <Ayabara> IdleOne: yep. I did an update today. 5 minutes ago I accidentaly deleted my gnome-panel. afterwards the entire gnome-panel command was gone.
[19:42] <balzac> it says it's on
[19:42] <IdleOne> Ayabara: ouch well ubuntu-desktop should get it back
[19:42] <balzac> [g2] killswitch is on
[19:42] <[g2]> balzac: is there a function key pair / hot key to turn on wireless ?
[19:42] <DeepB> !release
[19:42] <ubotu> Ubuntu releases a new version every 6 months. Each version is supported for 18 months to 5 years. More info at http://www.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/releases & http://wiki.ubuntu.com/TimeBasedReleases
[19:42] <Ayabara> nickrud, IdleOne: yep, back with the default panels now :-)
[19:42]  * nickrud notes to check over the upates carefully (does so anyway, but seeing Ayabara's thing reminds him again)
[19:43] <balzac> [g2]: not sure
[19:43] <IdleOne> Ayabara: good now dont be messing with that no more :P
[19:43] <Ayabara> IdleOne: no sir :)
[19:43] <[g2]> balzac: do you have ethernet connected or just wireless when you try to boot ?
[19:43] <balzac> I'm wired right now
[19:43] <balzac> wired at boot time, i believe
[19:43] <balzac> on last reboot
[19:44] <IdleOne>   /root/.synaptic/log is a good place to look in case you forgot to look before hitting enter Ayabara nickrud
[19:44] <nickrud> IdleOne heh. /var/log/aptitude.log for me
[19:44] <[g2]> Ok if you boot and don't have the wired connection, you can click on the networking thing and enable wireless
[19:44] <balzac> I'll try now
[19:44] <IdleOne> nickrud: yup there also
[19:44] <balzac> brb, [g2]
[19:44] <nickrud> IdleOne but good to know where to look for synaptic's log, wasn't aware of that one. Thanks
[19:44] <[g2]> balzac: see you on the wirelesss side :)
[19:44] <IdleOne> hmm that is redundant . having two places with the same logs
[19:45] <IdleOne> nickrud: yeah came accross it this morning
[19:46] <IdleOne> nickrud: check and see if that has the aptitude log of you most recent update. curious to know if it gets logged in both places
[19:46] <Prefix> Im having issues updating my system :/, had it last week too, here is a screenshot of the error...   http://img186.imageshack.us/img186/749/errorupcu3.png
[19:46] <nickrud> IdleOne no, not the same
[19:46] <IdleOne> ahhh ok
[19:46] <IdleOne> well I assume apt-get has a log file also then
[19:47] <IdleOne> !lockfile
[19:47] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about lockfile - try searching on http://ubotu.ubuntu-nl.org/factoids.cgi
[19:47] <IdleOne> what is the factoid for the lockfile thingy
[19:47] <Pici> !aptfix
[19:47] <ubotu> If an APT front-end crashed and your database is locked, try this in a !terminal: « sudo fuser -vki /var/lib/dpkg/lock;sudo dpkg --configure -a »
[19:47] <IdleOne> Pici: ty
[19:47] <Pici> welcome.
[19:47] <IdleOne> Prefix: look up
[19:47] <Prefix> kk ty
[19:47] <IdleOne> Pici: is very helpful bot :)
[19:48] <Prefix> :P
[19:48] <Pici> :D
[19:48] <Prefix> cheers that seemed to work :)
[19:48] <IdleOne> so my question was. is there any wiki that will show me how to speed up the boot time ?
[19:48] <Prefix> so why does this happen then? how do i stop it from happening in the future?
[19:49] <balzac> [g2]: It's working. The reboot without the wire seems to have done it.
[19:49] <[g2]> balzac: wb :)  wireless ?
[19:49] <balzac> thanks for your help
[19:49] <[g2]> balzac: congrats!
[19:49] <nemo> IdleOne: hm. I wonder if ubuntu supports parallel service startup like gentoo does
[19:49] <mrtimdog> IdleOne: have you tried bootchart?
[19:49] <[g2]> balzac: I think by default the wired network comes up
[19:49] <akk> nemo: That was the whole point of switching to upstart, I thought
[19:49] <balzac> ic
[19:49] <nemo> akk: ah. nifty.
[19:49] <[g2]> if you unplug or disable it, then you can enable wireless
[19:49] <Pici> nemo: I remember seeing something about needing to enable it explicitly.
[19:49] <nemo> akk: so it is default now?
[19:49] <IdleOne> nemo: dont know and mrtimdog nope
[19:50] <[g2]> at least that's my current guesstimate
[19:50] <balzac> Well, now I'm glad I upgraded
[19:50] <balzac> I have the snappy firefox 3 beta 5
[19:50] <[g2]> balzac: yeah that does seem snappy :)
[19:50] <IdleOne> mrtimdog: installing
[19:50] <balzac> and the new open office
[19:50] <IdleOne> thanks
[19:50]  * [g2] hugs ubuntu
[19:50] <akk> nemo: heh, well, that's kind of a problem -- AFAIK, they switched to upstart for feisty so that in the future they could speed up boot time ... and since then nothing has changed in the boot sequence.
[19:51] <balzac> ubuntu is really coming together
[19:51] <nemo> ouch
[19:51] <milktoast> Please.
[19:51] <Prefix> lol i also like the new ubuntu, however pulse audio is really annoying me :P
[19:51] <akk> nemo: Maybe it was so individuals could speed up their personal boot times. :)
[19:51] <Prefix> maybe these 250 updates will fix the lag though :)
[19:51] <nemo> akk: you know, some of it they could crib off of gentoo and others - who have tested parallel booting for years now
[19:51] <milktoast> why won't aptitude configure my kernel package
[19:51] <nemo> akk: and would have better idea of interdependancies.
[19:51] <Pici> milktoast: have you tried apt-get install -f
[19:51] <milktoast> yes
[19:51] <[g2]> balzac: I've got to run, but I'm glad to hear you wifi is working
[19:52] <balzac> have a good week
[19:52] <balzac> thanks again
[19:52] <akk> nemo: It would really help to have an easy and supported way to turn off services -- e.g. on my laptop I shouldn't have to wait for apache and mysql and postfix to start since I seldom use any of them.
[19:52] <[g2]> NP, that's what community is all about
[19:52] <IdleOne> mrtimdog: ok bootchart installed now how do i start it? not in menus and bootchart in terminal does not start it up
[19:52] <[g2]> I've gotten lots of help, so I'm happy to return some
[19:52] <nemo> akk: erm. easier than the gnome gui to check/uncheck services?
[19:53] <jyro> So, I upgraded from gutsy a couple days ago and now I can't get my external mic to work.  I used alsa 1.0.15rc3 in gutsy.
[19:53] <[g2]> exit
[19:53] <[g2]> doh! ... :)
[19:53] <akk> nemo: Is there one now? Cool, there didn't use to be. I wonder what it calls underneath, so non-gnome users can also use it?
[19:53] <milktoast> and I get this http://pastebin.com/d3e66833c
[19:53] <nemo> akk: probably shuffles rc.* :-p
[19:53] <mrtimdog> IdleOne: You'll need to reboot ;) I'll generate a chart showing what's doing what and how long things take to do their stuff.
[19:53] <IdleOne> mrtimdog: k
[19:53] <nemo> akk: services-admin  - has been there in gutsy too
[19:53] <jyro> quit
[19:54] <akk> nemo: Just moving stuff around in /etc/init.d doesn't work too well -- that's what I do, but the problem is that the file can come back when you update the package.
[19:54] <nemo> akk: hm. not sure if I've ever noticed that behaviour with services-admin - but then, that's all I've ever used with ubuntu
[19:54] <nemo> akk: my KDE machine is Gentoo
[19:56] <milktoast> bueller
[19:57] <mrtimdog> IdleOne: You should find something in /var/log/bootchart/...
[19:57] <IdleOne> thank you
[19:58] <nemo> akk: anyway. even if it did come back on package update... do you really update apache so often that you can't just uncheck it in a gui or erase it in a single command after? :)
[19:58] <IdleOne> mrigns: 37 seconds to boot.
[19:59] <IdleOne> mrtimdog:
[19:59] <akk> nemo: It's mostly that you have to watch your boot closely to see if things you thought you disabled are coming back
[19:59] <nemo> akk: that is more an ubuntu flaw than something in any gui... how can a gui know if something else has quietly restored an association
[19:59] <akk> nemo: you can get a nicely tuned boot, then over time it gradually gets faster as services come back
[19:59] <nemo> akk: next time I'm about to update a service, I'll see what happens if it is disabled in services-admin
[19:59] <mrtimdog> akk: Try installing bum (Boot Up Manager)
[19:59] <akk> nemo: I'd love to know! There's probably a better way than what I've been doing.
[20:00] <nemo> akk: you might have to wait a while. is not exactly a common occurence. hm. you know. what the hell.
[20:00]  * nemo reinstalls apache
[20:00] <nemo> oh. wait. I tweaked that one.
[20:00] <nemo> ummm.
[20:00]  * nemo reinstalls.... hm.
[20:00] <akk> nemo: I keep meaning to go in and do some serious tuning on my ubuntu boot -- I did that once on debian (sarge) and got my boot really fast
[20:01] <nemo> hrm. ssh I guess.
[20:03] <nemo> akk: reinstalled ssh - the service did not get started
[20:03] <nemo> akk: it is not in any of the runlevels either
[20:03] <nemo> and remained unchecked in services-admin
[20:04] <milktoast> I have tried removing all kernel packages and then reinstalling them... I still get this dependency error
[20:04] <akk> nemo: I'll have to poke around and find out what they're doing
[20:05] <x1250> is there any fix for slow scrolling with ATI?
[20:05] <nemo> x1250: get a better graphics card?
[20:05] <nemo> scrolling is smooth on my ATI card
[20:05] <nemo> and it is pretty old
[20:06] <nemo> x1250: I wonder if you have aiglx or dri or somesuch disabled.
[20:06] <x1250> I have an x1400, its not that old and it should have good 2D, but it doesn't. Don't blame the card, its the drivers or ubuntu. I don't have this issue with debian with a x1250 that is slower than the x1400...
[20:07] <milktoast> what is this? Could not find postrm hook script
[20:07] <Pici> x1250: my x1400 works fine in Hardy.
[20:07] <x1250> I have compiz enabled also, I forgot to mention that
[20:07] <Pici> x1250: Do you have the restricted drivers installeD?
[20:08] <x1250> yes, ATI card + restricted drivers + compiz = slow scrolling
[20:08] <milktoast> yes, and when I try to remove them I get the same issues
[20:08] <milktoast> it trys to reconfigure them
[20:08] <x1250> the scrolling is the only issue though, it has good 3d performance on compiz
[20:08] <Pici> x1250: hmm.. I havent noticed anything odd with scrolling.  I'll have to look again when I get back to my apartment though.
[20:09] <x1250> Pici, do you have compiz also? IIRC this is a compiz + restricted drivers issue, but I can't assure that.
[20:09] <Pici> x1250: I do.
[20:09] <x1250> Anyway, as I said, this doesn't happen on debian, same drivers, no compiz.
[20:13] <milktoast> well, I do have to say that if this is an IRC for the BETA version of Ubuntu and it is here for supporting issues... I can't believe there was NO support for a KERNEL issue.  And this is set to release on the 24th?
[20:13] <milktoast> wow
[20:13] <Gilou> lol
[20:13] <Gilou> troll spotted :p
[20:14] <mrtimdog> Is there a cmd to show details of the currently active DHCP lease from /var/lib/dhcp3/dhclient.X.leases?
[20:14] <x1250> milktoast: if you can't make it work, then use the -14 kernel
[20:14] <milktoast> I can't get anything to install...
[20:15] <milktoast> it keep trying to reconfigure
[20:15] <Pici> milktoast: Thats the risk of running a pre-release.
[20:15] <mrtimdog> milktoast: Try a purge first.
[20:15] <milktoast> du-huh
[20:15] <geektern> Is anyone else having problems with gtk-recordmydesktop with encoding staying at zero?
[20:16] <milktoast> running a pre-release also means that someone is more interested in issues that a GOLD version
[20:16] <milktoast> I trued a purge
[20:16] <savvas> damn, adblock plus isn't compatible with firefox 3 beta 5 yet
[20:16] <milktoast> forget it... I'll just go back to slackware
[20:17] <savvas> i believe he forgot that he shouldn't irc as root
[20:20] <Sergeant_Pony> hwilde you still here?
[20:20] <akk> savvas: you could always try hacking adblock to change the supported-version numbers ...
[20:21] <savvas> neah i'll wait a bit
[20:21] <savvas> a few ads won't kill me ;p
[20:23] <mheath> Has anyone else been getting scrollkeeper errors complaining about "extra content at the end of the document" for various docs while configuring just about any new packages?
[20:24] <hwilde> Sergeant_Pony, yep
[20:25] <Sergeant_Pony> hwilde I tried both wext and madwifi and didn't work...
[20:25] <hwilde> Sergeant_Pony, sry what are you trying to do again?
[20:26] <Sergeant_Pony> connect to the network using wifi
[20:26] <hwilde> Sergeant_Pony, you have wpa psk or what
[20:27] <Sergeant_Pony> wpa on the access point
[20:27] <hwilde> Sergeant_Pony, did you setup a wpa_supplicant.conf file ?
[20:28] <Popple2000> can anyone tell me how to turn off the join/quit msgs plz, ty
[20:28] <Popple2000> is there a /mode to do it, or would it be in my script ?
[20:28] <Sergeant_Pony> hrm...
[20:29] <Gilou> you probably have to add a script to do so
[20:29] <Sergeant_Pony> hwilde where is it located?
[20:30] <Popple2000> poop, ok, ty
[20:30] <IdleOne> !ping
[20:30] <ubotu> ping yourself ;-) really the diodes all down my left side are sore
[20:30] <hwilde> Sergeant_Pony, what did you do then just the /etc/network/interfaces file ?
[20:31] <hwilde> Popple2000, there is a way to subscribe or ignore those I just cannot remember
[20:31] <Sergeant_Pony> hwilde no, I went into network and setup the info
[20:32] <hwilde> oooooh you're using the guuuuuui
[20:32] <hwilde> Sergeant_Pony,  sorry I do not support the gui network manager.  I can tell you how to do it command line style tho
[20:32] <zzats> I'm having severe stability-issues with intel gpu and xvideo
[20:33] <zzats> how can I track what's causing my x to crash, I haven't ruled out the possible hardware issues yet
[20:33] <Sergeant_Pony> interfaces is setup.. it has the correct info in it
[20:35] <IdleOne> !ping
[20:35] <ubotu> ping yourself ;-) really the diodes all down my left side are sore
[20:35] <IdleOne> someone pong me please
[20:36] <IdleOne> !ping
[20:36] <ubotu> ping yourself ;-) really the diodes all down my left side are sore
[20:36] <IdleOne> well hot diggity dog I got wireless working :)
[20:36]  * IdleOne <3 Ubuntu
[20:37] <IdleOne> someone please let me know I am here
[20:37] <cvd-pr> any know how to block the ports  21-22-23-80 in iptables, firetarter?
[20:40] <IdleOne> omg what will I do now that I dont have to be tied down :)
[20:43] <nemik> ts> plop
[20:43] <nemik> 14:00 < despair> http://imagechan.com/images/gas%20prices.jpg
[20:43] <nemik> oops. well that image is funny
[20:43] <nemik> oh crap. wrong channel too. sorry guys
[20:50] <jk_> anway i can dimm my back light on my desktop, it stopped responding after kernal update
[20:51] <nastas> in my battery icon says that battery charge time is currently unknown. is it any bug or is my battery broken?
[20:54] <osteenbergen> no a bug nastas
[20:54] <fr500> hmmmm
[20:54] <fr500> dynamips package talks about gns3
[20:54] <fr500> and no gns3 package...
[20:54] <osteenbergen> mine says its full and charging when it is unplugged
[20:56] <nastas> so it's my battery broken osteenbergen?
[20:56] <osteenbergen> no it a bug of the software
[20:56] <nastas> any fixes?
[20:56] <osteenbergen> it should be fixed in a few days before the release candidate
[20:57] <cvd-pr> Any know why the hell sometimes the mouse start to move crazy all over the desktop by himself
[20:57] <nastas> ok thnx
[20:57] <cvd-pr> ?
[20:57] <tox-tatil> excesive work maybe
[20:57] <tox-tatil> :>
[20:58] <sarixe> hi, i've been having a problem with sound that's getting really annoying.  the analog loopback for my line-in is horribly loud, forcing me to turn down whatever is coming in.  this results in two things: one, i can hear background noise, and two, audacity records very quietly.  is there any way to turn down the analog loopback?  i've looked for sliders, but none seem to work.  Capture is turned all the way down.
[21:03] <eklof> Is there a separate channel for discussing the server-version of hardy ?
[21:07] <x1250> eklof: I don't think so
[21:07] <savvas> eklof: i don't think so too :)
[21:07] <Black_Magic> im Having problems with Packages
[21:08] <Black_Magic> hplip hplips blue something
[21:08] <Black_Magic> second
[21:09] <zarlino> hi all since upgrading to hardy, i cannot run mysql anymore
[21:09] <osteenbergen> any errors?
[21:10] <savvas> zarlino: upgrade or clean install? and from which version did you upgrade to hardy?
[21:10] <zarlino> osteenbergen: apt-get gives error while "configuriing"
[21:10] <zarlino> upgrade
[21:10] <Black_Magic> Can anyone help me with these errors:http://pastebin.com/f2f5767f9
[21:10] <Black_Magic> i had them before i upgraded to hardy but they went away for a while well the only packages i had problems with
[21:10] <Black_Magic> where hplips
[21:10] <osteenbergen> what erros?
[21:10] <savvas> gutsy to hardy zarlino ?
[21:10] <zarlino> yes
[21:11] <zarlino> i'm running the command....
[21:12] <zarlino> http://pastebin.com/d4e40b4c7
[21:12] <odz> anyone running kde4? how do you install a plasama theme? there is no plasmarc config file
[21:12] <savvas> Black_Magic: sudo apt-get -f install
[21:13] <Black_Magic> so dpkg --configure -a wasnt a good commmand
[21:13] <savvas> Black_Magic: did you allow a partial upgrade from the update manager?
[21:13] <Black_Magic> ok
[21:13] <zarlino> savvas: osteenbergen: here's the error from apt-get: http://pastebin.com/d4e40b4c7
[21:13] <plug_n_play> hi
[21:13] <Black_Magic> WOW ALOT of errors
[21:13] <plug_n_play> i have a strange error from brasero
[21:13] <Black_Magic> i did sudo aptitude -f install
[21:13] <Black_Magic> still got plenty errs..
[21:13] <savvas> Black_Magic: paste the output at http://pastebin.ca :)
[21:13] <plug_n_play> brasero: Session error : Insufficient space on media (0 available for 15968) (brasero_burn_record burn.c:2270)
[21:14] <Black_Magic> savvas: well im using pastebinit so idk what server it uses
[21:14] <odz> no one knows? :|
[21:14] <osteenbergen> zarline try to install the mysql-server-5.0 package first
[21:14] <savvas> Black_Magic: ok works for me. did you allow a partial upgrade from the update manager?
[21:14] <Black_Magic> savvas: I think...
[21:14] <osteenbergen> or try sudo apt-get install -f
[21:14] <plug_n_play> it's a blank cdr its writing to, just one track (~50 megs?) storing all its stuff in /tmp with ~60 gigs free
[21:14] <zarlino> osteenbergen: i already tried
[21:15] <Black_Magic> savvas: http://pastebin.com/f1bd2d32
[21:16] <osteenbergen> zarline: i'm now installing the package myself and have a look
[21:16] <zarlino> osteenbergen: thank you
[21:16] <zarlino> osteenbergen: but it seems i'm the only one having this problem
[21:16] <osteenbergen> indeed
[21:17] <savvas> Black_Magic: the following commands could break your system, if you still want me to help please approve, i don't want to be blamed afterwards :)
[21:17] <osteenbergen> but you have tried apt-get install -f?
[21:17] <zarlino> no
[21:18] <osteenbergen> try it ;)
[21:19] <savvas> Black_Magic: the idea is to purge the packages: sudo dpkg -P bluez-cups cupsys hpijs hplip
[21:19] <Black_Magic> savvas: Im for just abouy anything ATM im up for it
[21:19] <Black_Magic> and then reinstall them?
[21:19] <zarlino> osteenbergen: no way same error
[21:19] <Black_Magic> I keep getting this :/
[21:19] <plug_n_play> or, can anyone recommend a good gtk cd burning app?
[21:19] <savvas> Black_Magic: then reinstall selinux: sudo aptitude reinstall selinux selinux-policy-refpolicy
[21:19] <Black_Magic> E: Could not get lock /var/lock/aptitude - open (11 Resource temporarily unavailable)
[21:20] <Black_Magic> Do i REALLY need selinux..
[21:20] <zarlino> osteenbergen: could it be related to apparmor?
[21:20] <savvas> hrm..
[21:20] <savvas> seems you do ;)
[21:20] <Black_Magic> well aptitude just sujested a fix and already uninstalled them...
[21:20] <savvas> hold a sec
[21:20] <plug_n_play> gnome-baker takes _forever_
[21:20] <zarlino> osteenbergen: seems like mysql cannot start
[21:20] <Black_Magic> i thought it was disabled by default..
[21:20] <savvas> Black_Magic: arch? x86 ?
[21:20] <zarlino> osteenbergen: can't open a port
[21:20] <Black_Magic> savvas: i have Ubuntu 8.04....
[21:20] <osteenbergen> zarlino: did you have the enter passwords screen?
[21:21] <zarlino> yes
[21:21] <zarlino> osteenbergen: i tried with a new password
[21:21] <zarlino> osteenbergen: and without
[21:21] <Black_Magic> savvas The following partially installed packages will be configured:
[21:21] <Black_Magic>   bluez-cups cupsys hpijs hplip
[21:22] <osteenbergen> zarlino:i have just installed it without any problems.. tried sudo dpkg-reconfigure mysql-server-5.0 te reconfigure with different password but no problems there..
[21:22] <osteenbergen>  
[21:22] <osteenbergen> so there must be something blocking mysql server
[21:23] <Black_Magic> What EXATCLY does a Partial Upgrade do...
[21:23] <zarlino> osteenbergen: it says /usr/sbin/dpkg-reconfigure: mysql-server-5.0 is broken or not fully installed
[21:24] <zarlino> osteenbergen: what do you about apparmor blocking mysql?
[21:24] <zarlino> osteenbergen: what do you think
[21:24] <zarlino> osteenbergen: do you have apparmor installed?
[21:24] <osteenbergen> zarline: apparmor is by default and mine works..
[21:24] <savvas> Black_Magic: sorry had an urgent call :)
[21:24] <osteenbergen> zarlino: read this http://www.debianhelp.org/node/4011
[21:24] <osteenbergen> maybe a clue?!
[21:25] <savvas> Black_Magic: uname -a
[21:25] <Black_Magic> savvas: Ok..
[21:25] <Black_Magic> 2.6.24.15-generic
[21:25] <Black_Magic> i caught it while aptitude is going
[21:25] <Black_Magic> its doing something with grub so im watching..
[21:26] <savvas> Black_Magic: ah you mean it's fixed?
[21:26] <Black_Magic> No..
[21:26] <osteenbergen> zarlino: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/mysql-dfsg-5.0/+bug/123427 same problem
[21:26] <Black_Magic> the part with removing SeLinux
[21:26] <ubotu> Launchpad bug 123427 in mysql-dfsg-5.0 "[apport] package mysql-server-5.0 failed to install/upgrade: " [Medium,Incomplete]
[21:26] <Black_Magic> was showing things with grub...
[21:26] <Black_Magic> still same bug..
[21:26] <osteenbergen> zarlino: at the end there is someone who says he got it working
[21:26] <Black_Magic> savvas: So im gunna do the -p again
[21:27] <Black_Magic> i mean now
[21:27] <savvas> Black_Magic: ok when it's done do this command, i need to know if it's 32-bit or 64-bit: uname -a
[21:27] <Black_Magic> savvas: Linux son9524-laptop 2.6.24-12-generic #1 SMP Wed Mar 12 23:01:54 UTC 2008 i686 GNU/Linux
[21:27] <savvas> Black_Magic: if you give me 2-3 minutes i think we can finish up in no time
[21:27] <savvas> ok 32-bit :)
[21:27] <Black_Magic> I have about 3 kernals installed.. the one from Gusty then the one first installed from upgrade and now -15..
[21:28] <Black_Magic> Think i need to remove the others?
[21:28] <zarlino> osteenbergen: i see, but i have bind-address set to 127.0.0.1
[21:28] <savvas> Black_Magic: nope, just follow my commands
[21:28] <zarlino> osteenbergen: it should be ok
[21:28] <Black_Magic> ok
[21:28] <Black_Magic> savvas: Should i do the -P thing?
[21:28] <savvas> Black_Magic: wget http://fr.archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/pool/universe/s/selinux/selinux_0.2_all.deb; sudo dpkg -i selinux_0.2_all.deb
[21:28] <savvas> Black_Magic: i don't think it will work, your selinux is not properly installed
[21:29] <osteenbergen> try to backup every mysql data (as said in the bug.launchpad link) and remove all configuration and then install it.. and restore the data
[21:29] <Black_Magic> Dont think what will work..
[21:29] <Black_Magic> savvas: dpkg: status database area is locked by another process
[21:29] <b4l74z4r> when i rebooted hardy tody i got the message "routine check of drives" i hit esc and it booted into ubuntu just fine, but when i rebooted again i still got the "routine check of drives" - what is causing this?
[21:29] <Black_Magic> I dont have any other APT running..
[21:29] <savvas> Black_Magic: ah hold
[21:30] <zarlino> osteenbergen: already tried
[21:30] <savvas> Black_Magic: sudo cat /var/lib/apt/lists/lock
[21:30] <zarlino> osteenbergen: this is really a tough problem :D
[21:30] <osteenbergen> zarlino: yeah i see :P
[21:31] <Black_Magic> savvas: Got nothing
[21:31] <osteenbergen> but google shows that ou are not the only one
[21:31] <Black_Magic> savvas: just stalled for 2 seconds then returned terminal
[21:31] <zarlino> osteenbergen: been using ubuntu since the first version, this is first time i cannot figure out what's happening
[21:31] <osteenbergen> zarlino: did you add --purge when removing the mysql server?
[21:31] <savvas> Black_Magic: sudo killall -9 dpkg; sudo killall -9 apt-get; sudo killall -9 aptitude
[21:32] <ader10> Firefox crashed. I tried to start it up, but nothing happens. I try to open gnome-terminal but it's just a blank window. Same thing with brasero. Help please!
[21:32] <osteenbergen> maybe some conf file was not removed and causing the error
[21:32] <zarlino> osteenbergen: i did from synaptic "Completely remove"
[21:32] <zarlino> osteenbergen: i think its the same
[21:32] <osteenbergen> yeah it is
[21:32] <Black_Magic> savvas: there we go i thought it would of shown up in gnome-system-monitor...
[21:32] <savvas> Black_Magic: it killed it?
[21:32] <osteenbergen> zarlino: is there any extra information in the logs?
[21:33] <sarixe> anybody have a Dell XPS M1530 laptop?
[21:33] <zarlino> osteenbergen: which log?
[21:33] <savvas> Black_Magic: if it killed it, try again: wget http://fr.archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/pool/universe/s/selinux/selinux_0.2_all.deb; sudo dpkg -i selinux_0.2_all.deb
[21:33] <Black_Magic> savvas: Yep its reading database i was having a similar problem with apt-get and aptitude the other day...i ended up manually deleting it..
[21:33] <Black_Magic> More errors...
[21:34] <osteenbergen> apt log (var/log/apt/
[21:34] <zarlino> osteenbergen: /var/log/mysql is empty
[21:34] <odz> can someone let me know how i can get kde4 in kubuntu 8.04 to run plasma?  it seems to be stuck in this oxygen theme :/
[21:34] <osteenbergen> zarlino try: /var/log/apt/term.log
[21:35] <savvas> Black_Magic: hm.. try now: sudo aptitude reinstall selinux selinux-policy-refpolicy
[21:35] <zarlino> osteenbergen: it's the same as the apt-get output
[21:36] <osteenbergen> hmm
[21:36] <zarlino> osteenbergen: another thing: running mysqld_safe gives this:
[21:36] <zarlino> http://pastebin.com/d8f72284
[21:37] <osteenbergen> zarlino: aka it runs
[21:38] <zarlino> osteenbergen: it runs and immediately stops
[21:38] <Boohbah> zarlino: ps aux | grep 17804
[21:38] <bajun> Hello. Can you please test this behavior. Is this one bug or only my sytstems problem: Hardy beta russian keyboard have wrong output (not cyrillic). As example, if I type "Простое слово", i have following output: "Ŋħj¢njŧ ¢ĸjðj".
[21:38] <bajun> If I delete russian layout from system, then add russian layout again, everything is OK and I can use russian layout until reboot or X restart. After that comes this error again.
[21:38] <savvas> Black_Magic: still there?
[21:38] <Boohbah> zarlino: i think it's killing the old mysql process
[21:38] <Black_Magic> savvas: Yea
[21:38] <ader10> A couple applications don't start. Most notably firefox and gnome-terminal. They just open blank windows. Please help me be able to open these programs without restarting the system.
[21:38] <Black_Magic> savvas: its saying there not installed
[21:39] <savvas> Black_Magic: did it reinstall selinux?
[21:39] <Black_Magic> savvas: and still errors with cupsys hplp and hpijs and bluez-cups
[21:39] <osteenbergen> zarlino: mysql_safe stops immediately.. normal behaviour
[21:39] <osteenbergen> tried it on this machine
[21:39] <savvas> Black_Magic: i need the output of this: apt-cache policy selinux
[21:40] <zarlino> osteenbergen: i cannot see it in ps aux
[21:41] <savvas> Black_Magic: after that try this: sudo aptitude purge selinux-policy-refpolicy selinux
[21:41] <T1m0thy> Installing the PulseAudio update won't erase my configs will it?
[21:41] <zarlino> osteenbergen: nor i can connect with a client
[21:41] <osteenbergen> zarlino: the mysqld_safe tries to start it and if it starts it kills the process
[21:41] <savvas> Black_Magic: actually try this one, sorry: sudo aptitude purge selinux-policy-refpolicy selinux bluez-cups cupsys hpijs hplip
[21:42] <osteenbergen> zarlino: but if safe works then the normal server should work too
[21:42] <Black_Magic> savvas: im beginging  to think i should remove then reinstall thgose others tea like that in a second
[21:42] <Viden> I am having an issue with the prelude-manager module after a dist upgrade, can anyone help?
[21:42] <Black_Magic> im just re-installing selinux and selinux re things
[21:43] <zarlino> osteenbergen: it doesn't really work
[21:43] <osteenbergen> zarlino: try to starting it with: sudo mysqld
[21:43] <Black_Magic> because aptitude uninstalled it in effort to fix it
[21:43] <osteenbergen> what errors does it show
[21:43] <zarlino> osteenbergen: the process dies immediately
[21:43] <zarlino> osteenbergen: i have no mysqld running
[21:43] <savvas> Black_Magic: well i don't think that you even need selinux, i don't have it installed on a desktop, not sure about the server
[21:43] <Black_Magic> savvas: what does a partial install do?
[21:43] <zarlino> osteenbergen: by ps -ef | grep mysqld
[21:43] <pwuertz> I don't understand why pulseaudio is configured like that in hardy... it works beautifully well if you use the dmix alsa device instead of hw0:0... if you configure it correctly, all the alsa apps are working as they should again
[21:43] <Black_Magic> savvas: its installed by default i think just not configured
[21:44] <savvas> Black_Magic: partial install breaks stuff :) not all dependencies have been built yet
[21:44] <Black_Magic> its doing something...
[21:44] <savvas> Black_Magic: purging?
[21:44] <osteenbergen> zarlino: and sudo /etc/init.d/mysqld start.. does that report any clues?
[21:44] <Black_Magic> savvas: Not ATm
[21:45] <zarlino> osteenbergen: if i run sudo mysqld_safe --no-defaults, it starts!
[21:45] <Black_Magic> i had to install selinux firstbefore i could purge the old stuff because apt removed it
[21:45] <osteenbergen> zarlino: then there is some problem with the defaults
[21:45] <Black_Magic> ok about to purge
[21:45] <zarlino> osteenbergen: what can this mean? configuration screwed up
[21:46] <osteenbergen> zarlino: yup.. try to remove the configuration files and reinstall them
[21:46] <savvas> Black_Magic: ok let's hope it goes through, you say you have an ubuntu server installed right?
[21:46] <zarlino> osteenbergen: can i remove the whole /etc/mysql/ ?
[21:46] <Black_Magic> savvas: OMG its asking to REMOVE ALOT! of stuff..
[21:47] <Viden> prelude-manager fails to reconfigure because it cant find the mysql server, but the server is running and other apps are using it.
[21:47] <Black_Magic> savvas: cups-pdf cupsys-bsd cupsys-driver-gutenprint deskbar-applet f-spot foomatic-db-hpijs gnome-apples
[21:47] <osteenbergen> zarlino: it safer to user apt-get remove --purge mysql-server
[21:47] <osteenbergen> and apt-get autoremove --purge
[21:48] <snowolf> question about sound in kubuntu hardy with kde4 > for example in skype, among with the input from the microphone, the output of the pc (i.e. a music I'm listening to) is transmitter to my interlocutor, how can I disable and let only the microphone be transmitted?
[21:48] <osteenbergen> and any other mysql package
[21:48] <Black_Magic> gnome-games-data gnome utils gtk-recordmydesktop hal-cups utils hplip-data  libgnome cups
[21:48] <Black_Magic> and lots more..
[21:48] <savvas> Black_Magic: it shouldn't be a problem, just keep a log and show it to me later
[21:48] <savvas> Black_Magic: and DON'T close any windows
[21:49] <Black_Magic> savvas: Why not?
[21:49] <savvas> Black_Magic: if you close them you can't open a terminal afterwards
[21:49] <ader10> A couple applications don't start. Most notably firefox and gnome-terminal. They just open blank windows. Please help.
[21:50] <Black_Magic> savvas: http://pastebin.com/f71f48fd4
[21:50] <Black_Magic> before i do anything just want you to examine..
[21:50] <Black_Magic> a lil iffy about uninstalling all of that
[21:50] <b4l74z4r> have wine 0.0.59 made it into the hardy repositories yet?
[21:51] <b4l74z4r> 0.9.59
[21:51] <rsk> no
[21:51] <b4l74z4r> ok
[21:51] <savvas> Black_Magic: just go, you can install it back again with this: sudo aptitude reinstall ubuntu-desktop ubuntu-minimal ubuntu-standard
[21:51] <zarlino> osteenbergen: interentingly a complete removel does not remove /etc/mysql/my.cnf
[21:51] <orvokki> Afaik we don't even have a Hardy repository yes.
[21:51] <Black_Magic> savvas: Second Opening firefox
[21:51] <Black_Magic> savvas: Just in case ;) hopefully compiz doent freeze..
[21:52] <savvas> Black_Magic: wait i'll explain what to do
[21:52] <Viden> is prelude-manager part of the default OS install or is this some 3rd party app that i broke in the dist upgrade ?
[21:52] <Black_Magic> savvas: Ok i just dont like doing yes when its ALOT of packages..
[21:53] <rom> hi
[21:53] <rom> why, while openoffice is installed by default, the paquet "openoffice.org" is not selected?
[21:54] <Black_Magic> savvas: Uhm Dpkg command again...
[21:54] <icha> so i fresh installed a box with hardy today, from an iso just downloaded today. 404 updates.
[21:54] <Black_Magic> its frozen
[21:54] <Black_Magic> saying about unable to lock and such
[21:54] <savvas> Black_Magic: i did this some days ago: 1) ctrl-alt-f1 and do the purge 2) kill the gnome: sudo /etc/init.d/gdm stop 3) sudo aptitude reinstall ubuntu-desktop ubuntu-minimal ubuntu-standard 4) fix any leftovers: sudo aptitude -f install 5) bring back gnome: sudo /etc/init.d/gdm start
[21:55] <Black_Magic> savvas: DPKG command so i can kill everything apt?
[21:55] <Black_Magic> and dpkg
[21:56] <Viden> can anyone at least tell me what prelude-manager does ?
[21:56]  * Black_Magic cuts off compiz
[21:57] <karmelek> hello world!
[21:58] <icha> hi
[21:58] <Sergeant_Pony> where can I get win xp drivers for this AR242x 802.11abg Wireless PCI Express Adapter?
[21:58] <crimsun> dotech: I should have a test-fix in a few hours; presently in a phone conference.
[21:58] <Viden>  /sigh
[21:58] <Black_Magic> savvas:
[22:00] <karmelek> how to enable auto mounting of pendrive?
[22:00] <Black_Magic> savvas: I cannot do the command if dpkg is locked..
[22:00] <Gilou> hmm weird, if I connect to a FTP account, I can't copy complete directories
[22:00] <Gilou> using nautilus
[22:01] <Black_Magic> its possible to connect to FTP Account
[22:01] <Black_Magic> with Natilus...
[22:01] <Gilou> yeah it is
[22:01] <Gilou> but if I copy a complete dir from the FTP dir to my home dir
[22:01] <Gilou> it stops with the error "This file is not a directory"
[22:02] <Black_Magic> :/
[22:02] <Black_Magic> Have you tried Raring the file?
[22:02] <Gilou> not the point here
[22:04] <AboSamoor> i have prb with intel iwlwifi 3945 , it can not detect any type of wireless networks !!! what i have to do ?
[22:04] <savvas> iMatter: if dpkg is still locked: sudo killall -9 dpkg; sudo rm /var/cache/apt/archives/lock
[22:05] <iMatter> savvas: Thx
[22:06] <savvas> iMatter: ok now proceed with the rest of the "guide" i gave you :)
[22:06] <zarlino> osteenbergen: just to let u know that revoming /etc/mysql/my.cnf fixed the problem
[22:06] <savvas> iMatter: oh and.. god speed :p
[22:06] <b4l74z4r> when i play youtube videos in full screen especially, i experience severe horizontal tearing, does anyone else have the same?
[22:06] <karmelek> how to enable auto mounting of usb flash drive?
[22:06] <zarlino> osteenbergen: thank you for bearing with my problem!
[22:07] <iMatter> savvas: Putting it in a file...so i can see what to do cant do nothing without GUI really...do i really need to stop X and Gnome? can i do it with graphics?
[22:07] <Joe_CoT> is there a safe way to dist-upgrade while libgnomekbd1 and libglib1.2 haven't been updated
[22:08] <donomo> why is hardy heron trying to do a 'distribution upgrade' today?
[22:08] <iMatter> donomo: Dont touch that BUTTON!
[22:08] <iMatter> its a trap!
[22:08] <ader10> A couple applications don't start. Most notably firefox and gnome-terminal. They just open blank windows. Please help.
[22:08] <savvas> iMatter: it's better not to, it will be better from the console, as most of gnome will be removed, but it's a couple of commands, you shouldn't have any problems reinstalling ubuntu-desktop, it could even do a better install
[22:08] <donomo> iMatter: for realz.
[22:08] <iMatter> some people couldnt use restricted modules after doing that
[22:08] <donomo> iMatter: or are you being serious?
[22:09] <iMatter> Yea someone has reported that and they did it and afterwards and a restart they wernt able to use Restricted Modules
[22:09] <savvas> iMatter: probably for the next unstable version, if you already have hardy, don't do it
[22:09] <nomasteryoda> the problems i had with Hardy heron's kjournald are gone with the new kernel... congrats on that "bug" fix
[22:09] <donomo> iMatter: yikes. i find it odd that a distribution upgrade would even be triggered when im already on hardy.
[22:10] <iMatter> thats what i said
[22:10] <iMatter> good thing it errored because i clicked the button
[22:10] <iMatter> it only got 1min in ;)
[22:10] <donomo> nice!
[22:10] <nomasteryoda> oh, and the latest elisa is very nice on hardy
[22:10]  * donomo pictures the rebel leader (starwars) saying "Its a trap!"
[22:11] <iMatter> im good luck for my self......and bad luck to others :?
[22:12] <savvas> you're good for everyone
[22:12] <savvas> :)
[22:14] <iMatter> savvas: I dont have Ubuntu Server :/
[22:14] <DanaG> Argh.  I can't suspend in the -15 kernel!  It doesn't even try!
[22:14] <savvas> iMatter: i know, i saw the ubuntu-desktop package
[22:15] <nomasteryoda> lets try that here...
[22:15] <iMatter> savvas: That wouldnt tell anything cant you just install ubuntu-desktop on the server :P
[22:16] <iMatter> savvas: What was the purge command having hard time finding it in all this channel clutter i have the "Guide" But not the purge command
[22:16] <savvas> iMatter: yeah, but since you're using the ubuntu-desktop package, you can bring back all those packages back with the guide i gave you
[22:16] <iMatter> the one specifically for me not just the --purge
[22:16] <iMatter> i mean purge
[22:16] <savvas> hold a sec
[22:16] <Flannel> iMatter: What are you trying to accomplish?
[22:16] <nomasteryoda> worked here
[22:16] <jaffarkelshac> is there not way to (alt +tab) as it were out of full screen games without exiting it
[22:17] <nomasteryoda> had to startup my wicd again, but perfect
[22:17] <iMatter> Flannel: hes helping with my partial upgrade problems'
[22:17] <iMatter> partial upgrade caused errors
[22:17] <iMatter> and now fixing them
[22:17] <iMatter> has to do with hplip and such
[22:17] <savvas> nomasteryoda: the guide i gave him?
[22:17] <nomasteryoda> for suspending
[22:17] <savvas> ah
[22:17] <iMatter> savvas: After this Problem i have one more with org.freedesktop and wicd...and network-manager
[22:17] <nomasteryoda> was a slight delay in my response
[22:18] <savvas> iMatter: sudo aptitude purge selinux-policy-refpolicy selinux bluez-cups cupsys hpijs hplip
[22:18] <iMatter> :/
[22:18] <iMatter> thx
[22:18] <donomo> i tried apt-get remove cupsys and it tried to remove ubuntu-desktop so i stopped it
[22:18] <iMatter> donomo: You can just reinstall it :/
[22:18] <donomo> iMatter: ah.
[22:18] <iMatter> it doesnt fully remove ubuntu-desktop
[22:18] <savvas> donomo: i didn't gave that command to you :)
[22:19] <donomo> savvas: it was just a happy coincidence :)
[22:19] <savvas> iMatter has the full details for the procedure :P
[22:19] <iMatter> because ive had a command that removed ubuntu-desktop too and i rebooted and had GUI
[22:19] <iMatter> Brb Hopefully everything goes well....
[22:19] <DanaG> How can I fix my suspend?
[22:19]  * iMatter Wonders how to get instructions when in Terminal LOL
[22:19] <donomo> k. i looked at that and though 'uh, that looks like, important, and stuff'
[22:19] <iMatter> well ah well rb
[22:20] <savvas> iMatter: ctrl-alt-f1, type your login name, enter, password, enter and do the stuff :) it's just like in gnome terminal
[22:20] <iMatter> savvas: Thats much better then pitch black terminal-like thing...
[22:21] <savvas> well i can tell you it's smoother than gnome for this type of reinstallation
[22:22] <DanaG> any input on suspend stuff?
[22:23] <iMatter> savvas: I just got a middle of screen white dot...
[22:23] <iMatter> nothing to type to..
[22:23] <savvas> iMatter: where?
[22:24] <iMatter> Ctrl+Alt+F1
[22:25] <savvas> iMatter: no "ubuntu login" ?
[22:25] <iMatter> nope
[22:25] <savvas> iMatter: ctrl-alt-F2
[22:25] <iMatter> just black screen with a random blinking white thing in middle of creen
[22:25] <UnNaturalHigh> does anyone here have problems with openoffice and spell check?
[22:25] <iMatter> savvas: Nope just a random cursor...
[22:26] <iMatter> savvas: if i press enter it goes down
[22:26] <iMatter> to the bottom of screen after a couple "Enters"
[22:27] <savvas> iMatter: ps -A | grep tty
[22:27] <savvas> iMatter: do you see a tty1     00:00:00 getty ?
[22:27] <Gilou> has anyone tested nautilus' FTP support?
[22:27] <iMatter> yes 6 times and 2 for xorg..
[22:28] <iMatter> i somtimes get that terminal when rebooting
[22:28] <iMatter> and have to use -recovery to acctually get into GUI Ubuntu
[22:28] <iMatter> or it waits a bit then loads GUI
[22:29] <savvas> iMatter: two xorg?!
[22:29] <iMatter> savvas: 21896 tty7     00:16:12 Xorg
[22:29] <iMatter> 21906 tty7     00:00:00 Xorg
[22:30] <Stroganoff> it amazes me that saving files in fusesmb still doesn't work with many apps in hardy
[22:30] <savvas> hm..
[22:30] <iMatter> Most of these errors i just live with...
[22:30] <iMatter> never thought to solve them...
[22:34] <savvas> iMatter: sudo kill -9 4592; sudo exec /sbin/getty 38400 tty1
[22:34] <savvas> woops
[22:34] <savvas> iMatter: sudo kill -9 4592; sudo /sbin/getty 38400 tty1
[22:34] <iMatter> i now know to wait
[22:34] <iMatter> at least 30 seconds before
[22:34] <iMatter> acctually using commands you give ;P
[22:35] <savvas> it's the same but it wouldn't work i think
[22:35] <savvas> iMatter: then do ctrl-alt-f1
[22:35] <hmuller> anyone familiar with a wierd bug in text editors (key repeats when ctrl key pressed first)?
[22:35] <iMatter> its just a curser...the terminal
[22:35] <iMatter> after excuting the command
[22:36] <iMatter> its just a white/black curser square under when i had to use password
[22:36] <savvas> iMatter: no login prompt?
[22:38] <b4l74z4r> when i play youtube videos in full screen especially, i experience severe horizontal tearing, does anyone else have the same?
[22:38] <DanaG> How do I fix my suspend?
[22:38] <DanaG> It doesn't even try to suspend.
[22:38] <savvas> iMatter: no login prompt?
[22:38] <iMatter> when i dd sudo kill -9
[22:38] <DanaG> Oh, and I hit my sleep button, and then the system received the button press over 15 MINUTES later!
[22:38] <DanaG> That's ridiculous.
[22:38] <iMatter> its just a curser under [sudo] password for Son9524
[22:39] <ader10> A couple applications don't start. Most notably firefox and gnome-terminal. They just open blank windows. Now I can't even start a new nautilus window! Please help.
[22:39] <savvas> iMatter: did you try to type your password and press enter?
[22:39] <iMatter> savvas: Yep
[22:39] <savvas> and?
[22:39] <iMatter> White Block
[22:40] <iMatter> underneath it
[22:40] <akk> DanaG: How do you suspend? Have you tried executing /etc/acpi/sleep.sh and see what it prints out? Sometimes it prints error messages that give a clue about what's happening.
[22:40] <DanaG> It used to work, but now it doesn't seem to use that file.
[22:40] <DanaG> Wasn't there some sort of change, to using pm-utils?
[22:40] <savvas> iMatter: ok since i have to go and i'd like to get this over with, try this: sudo dpkg-reconfigure -a
[22:40] <savvas> iMatter: if that doesn
[22:41] <akk> DanaG: You could also try with hibernate, something like: sudo hibernate -v 4 -F /etc/hibernate/ram.conf
[22:41] <akk> DanaG: That prints out a lot of debugging messages that might offer a clue.
[22:41] <iMatter> savvas: What does that do..
[22:41] <teamcobra> wow, amd64 policykit is still _broken_, I made sure everyone knew about it a week ago
[22:41] <teamcobra> :/
[22:41] <vev> in hibernation mode, cant start the pc by touching the keyboard (bios option) when i turn off it s possible
[22:41] <DanaG> The thing is that it used to work, but now doesn't.  I usually use suspend, not hibernate.
[22:41] <savvas> iMatter: tries to reconfigure your packages
[22:41] <iMatter> ALL 6000 :/
[22:41] <savvas> iMatter: hopefully it will fix it
[22:42] <iMatter> I think i should reboot first eh?
[22:42] <iMatter> i just did an update
[22:42]  * iMatter Non Partial
[22:42] <savvas> iMatter: yeah well.. it seems you have more than one problem there :\
[22:42] <iMatter> Lol ive had some of these
[22:42] <iMatter> Since Ubuntu
[22:42] <iMatter> and some recently since Hardy
[22:42] <iMatter> i can live with most of them
[22:42] <iMatter> savvas: Well Cya
[22:43] <savvas> iMatter: no dpkg-reconfigure -a first, if that doesn't work, reboot your machine to a recovery kernel (press esc several times to get the grub menu) and test your internet connection: sudo aptitude update ..if this command works well, then do the guide mentioned above
[22:43] <iMatter> rebooting
[22:43] <teamcobra> if anyone gives a flying fig, policykit causes Failed to Initialize HAL errors in gnome, causes gnome-panel to segfault instantly, and in general, makes gnome completely unusable
[22:43] <nemo> I've been hating on policykit ever since I discovered I couldn't use network-admin anymore
[22:43] <iMatter> savvas: uhm...Wont that affect the update i just did i have the little arrows in a circle that are blue telling me to reboot
[22:43] <savvas> iMatter: on the worst case scenario i'd really suggest a clean install of hardy there :\
[22:43] <iMatter> NTY
[22:43] <DanaG> sudo /etc/acpi/sleep.sh
[22:43] <DanaG> (does nothing.)
[22:43] <iMatter> had this one install of ubuntu
[22:44] <iMatter> for about 5-6months
[22:44] <erez> hi, i am trying to upgrade from 7.10 with the update manager , but it doesnt find any updates , what could be the problem?
[22:44] <iMatter> ive had 6 ubuntu installs in that amount of time and this is the ONLY one that has stayed installed
[22:44] <savvas> iMatter: nope, probably new kernel is already configured
[22:44] <savvas> iMatter: well if you had a separate partition for your /home you could just format the root / partition and keep your settings
[22:45] <iMatter> savvas: Its the packages ect i use...
[22:45] <iMatter> i have downloaded so many packages i dont know whats what...
[22:46] <teamcobra> I'm _this_ close from throwing my laptop across the room :/
[22:46] <teamcobra> because now, unlike before, downgrading policykit to 0.7.2ubuntu5 doesn't work anymore
[22:46] <savvas> iMatter: I'm not giving any promises, but this could make a list for your already installed packages: apt-cache pkgnames
[22:47] <savvas> iMatter: if you weren't doing the apt-get autoclean or clean command, your downloaded packages are here: /var/cache/apt/archives/
[22:50] <teamcobra> actually, it looks like dbus is the one hosed in amd64 now ;p   hald_dbus.c:5747: dbus_bus_get(): Failed to connect to socket /var/run/dbus/system_bus_socket: Connection refused
[22:50] <iMatter> savvas: Is it normal that Apt makes my system use alot because the thinking light is barley blinking enough to notice it blinked off
[22:50] <iMatter> so its constantly on When Apt like things are working
[22:54] <savvas> iMatter: depends on how old is the machine, mine blinks for 5-6 seconds during the beggining of apt-get update, but can take 2-3 minutes for the whole apt-get upgrade process :)
[22:54] <savvas> *beginning
[22:55] <mprofitt> how do i install the redhat init scripts rpm??
[22:56] <savvas> iMatter: i don't know why you're still here though :\ i gave you some suggestions, it's really up to you to follow them to get a working hardy with no bugs
[22:56] <mprofitt> no bugs??? LMFAO
[22:56] <iMatter> savvas: Im still here because
[22:57] <iMatter> its running dpkg-reconfigure -a in a terminal..
[22:58] <teamcobra> oh boy, had to reboot and now my box is down
[22:58] <savvas> mprofitt: i meant it for the one that he is facing, he has a dozen problems all together
[22:58] <teamcobra> good thing it's not local, and kvm is only $20/hour
[22:59] <savvas> iMatter: oh, ok great
[22:59] <Hydrogen> Why in the hell would you run a beta operating system on a remote box
[22:59] <mprofitt> ?
[23:00] <munckfish> Hi has anyone noticed a configuration error updating to the latest tzdata?
[23:00] <munckfish> I'm trying to use pbuilder hardy chroot
[23:00] <munckfish> but it's failing with error
[23:00] <munckfish> as it tries to update
[23:01] <munckfish> error is "E: Internal Error, Could not perform immediate configuration (2) on tzdata"
[23:01] <teamcobra> Hydrogen: because half of my hardware doesn't work in any other distro
[23:01] <Hydrogen> bleeding edge is... bleeding?
[23:01] <teamcobra> and everything was working great, for about a month.... until April Fools, when libpolicykit b0rked
[23:02] <teamcobra> I made it a point to let everyone know what was going on..... good thing noone listened, and the package is still the same version, unmodified
[23:02] <dwidmann> where  everyone = launchpad.net, right?
[23:02] <teamcobra> indeed
[23:02] <teamcobra> brb, going to smoke
[23:03]  * dwidmann wonders if that involves setting teamcobra on fire
[23:03] <DanaG> Well, his lungs, maybe.
[23:05] <Davo_Dinkum> i've just done an LTS upgrade and it won't get an ip address from the dhcp server :/
[23:05] <akk> DanaG: sorry, missed your comments ... that hibernate command I gave was to use the hibernate program to sleep to ram, not really to hibernate
[23:05] <DanaG> aah.
[23:05] <DanaG> Here's something odd:
[23:06] <akk> DanaG: but running sudo sleep.sh doesn't print a ton of debugging messages for you? It does for me.
[23:06] <Davo_Dinkum> i had ltsp installed so i removed it in case it was the problem
[23:06] <Davo_Dinkum> but it didnt do anything
[23:06] <DanaG> I had pressed the Sleep hotkey, but my system didn't receive the button press until literally 15 minutes later.
[23:06] <Davo_Dinkum> Odd? I don't have networking
[23:07] <DanaG> Oh, and sleep.sh did literally nothing.
[23:08] <MooCows> Does anyone know if "Hardy Heron" will add support for a Dell Photo Printer 540 ?
[23:09] <ph8> Hey developers! I was hoping to talk to one of the people responsible for KVM updating, the maintainer @ packages.ubuntu.com is marked as ubuntu-motu (Masters of the Universe?) - does that mean a thirdparty type person maintains it?
[23:09] <jast-mxm> i am not sure if alsa is broken or not but jackd says it can't find the driver for it
[23:09] <teamcobra> dwidmann, if only things were that easy ;p ;p
[23:10] <jast-mxm> anyway i can force alsa and maybe jack to reinstall and overwrite all existing files?
[23:10] <akk> MooCows: The lists at linuxprinting.org might say something about support (if it's not listed there or on the gimp-print-devel list archives, then ubuntu probably can't)
[23:10] <jast-mxm> i still get sound but just jack doesn't work
[23:10] <iMatter> is this bad? /etc/init.d/dkms_autoinstaller: line 82: /var/lib/dkms/fglrx/8.455.2/source/dkms.conf: No such file or directory
[23:10] <iMatter> /etc/init.d/dkms_autoinstaller: line 82: /var/lib/dkms/fglrx/8.471/source/dkms.conf: No such file or directory
[23:10] <jast-mxm> says: unknown driver alsa
[23:11] <IdleOne> why is it I can connect to my entire neiborhoods wireless except for my own
[23:11] <DanaG> Odd... I keep getting python crashes.
[23:11] <MooCows> akk: I don't see it listed, but I see a Photo Printer 720
[23:11] <teamcobra> through some grace of god the box came back up, did an apt-get upgrade, restarted it, and it's fixed.... ignore my previous moment of rage
[23:12] <Davo_Dinkum> yay it has an ip address now
[23:12] <MooCows> akk: Perhaps I could try the drivers, just to see if they work ?
[23:12] <akk> MooCows: it's definitely worth trying!
[23:12] <MooCows> akk: Yeah, cause I can't lose my photo printer.  And Windows keeps going slower and slower by the day.
[23:12] <DanaG> Hmm, latest updates fixed my suspend.
[23:13] <DanaG> It turns out sleep.sh was doing nothing simply because it was letting gnome-power-manager do its thing instead.
[23:13] <teamcobra> IdleOne: what kind of wireless network do you run, and what kind of wireless card?
[23:13] <akk> ooh, I hope it's not a no-op when g-p-m isn't there!
[23:13] <akk> (but it's probably okay, because I just updated then suspended with that script, and it worked)
[23:14] <IdleOne> teamcobra:   Ethernet controller: Atheros Communications Inc. AR242x 802.11abg Wireless PCI Express Adapter (rev 01)
[23:14] <iMatter> IdleOne: Atheros AR5006EG Got the same card..
[23:15] <teamcobra> Idle: and what kind of encryption on your home network? have you tried changing the encryption settings on your router and reconnecting?
[23:15] <teamcobra> I've heard about wpa2 not working properly
[23:15] <IdleOne> iMatter: yes
[23:16] <iMatter> Well i asked my neighboors if i could use there wireless so i wouldnt know if it works with my network :/
[23:16] <DanaG> Ooh, archive mounter.
[23:16] <IdleOne> I used this http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=669267 to get it working but I am having issues creating a connection to my router
[23:16] <DanaG> Interesting.
[23:17] <DanaG> That was odd... I unplugged AC power, and I got a chvt.
[23:18] <IdleOne> wireless is not a big deal for me but I figure I got it I want it to work atleast
[23:18] <DanaG> Oh, and I also got NetworkManager disabling itself, and python crashing, and then pidgin dying but not offering a bug report.
[23:19] <DanaG> And the same thing happens on suspend and resume.
[23:20] <IdleOne> DanaG: sounds like you have more issues then a mental hospital
[23:20] <IdleOne> well not you
[23:20] <IdleOne> your system
[23:21] <DanaG> Heh.
[23:21] <Davo_Dinkum> i still have no networking
[23:21] <DanaG> Oh, and one time I suspended and resumed, and found that all my network drivers had unloaded.
[23:21] <DanaG> iwl3945 and e1000.
[23:22] <akk> unloaded from the kernel, like rmmod?
[23:22] <m1r> hello
[23:22] <DanaG> Yup.
[23:22] <akk> wow, impressive
[23:24] <DanaG> Okay, that was another odd thing:
[23:24] <DanaG> Another random suspend, from a button press god-only-knows when.
[23:26] <DanaG> Well, it worked, and network worked.
[23:31] <Sergeant_Pony> anyone know where I can get winxp drivers for AR242x 802.11abg Wireless PCI Express Adapter?
[23:32] <Sergeant_Pony> hiya dotech
[23:32] <dotech> hey
[23:32] <Sergeant_Pony> how's your pulse audio working?
[23:33] <dotech> good except it disappears once in a while
[23:33] <dotech> i have to turn on some extra debugging so i can figure out why
[23:33] <Sergeant_Pony> it don't keep after a reboot over here even after this mornings update
[23:34] <dotech> yea i was already running that version
[23:35] <Sergeant_Pony> I'm also working on getting my wifi working... need winxp drivers for a AR242x 802.11abg wireless pci express adapter
[23:35] <DanaG> ** (gnome-power-manager:24647): WARNING **: Method failed
[23:35] <DanaG> (org.freedesktop.hal.power-management.suspend no <-- (action, result))
[23:36] <robilive> Hi people, some day ago I've colorized the "ok" and "fail" message of the bootup. I would like to colorize the boot scripts' messages  but I have no idea on what to do... Does anyone know how to do this?
[23:36] <DanaG> "suspend" "no"?  What do you mean, "No" ?
[23:37] <DanaG> No. -- wtf?
[23:38] <DanaG> What's up with that?
[23:39] <Davo_Dinkum> anyone know what might be wrong with my hardy installation
[23:39] <Davo_Dinkum> ?
[23:40] <Davo_Dinkum> after a reboot it seems i have sound
[23:40] <Daisuke_Laptop> would have to know more about the problem.  all you said is that you have no networking/can't get an address from the dhcp server.  wired?  wireless?  are you set to use a static IP?  things like this make a difference
[23:41] <Davo_Dinkum> thanks, but it seems to be working now. heh
[23:42] <Davo_Dinkum> it's wired ethernet 10/100 with dynamic IP address
[23:42] <DanaG> Any help with the sleep now?
[23:42] <DanaG> ** (gnome-power-manager:24647): WARNING **: Method failed
[23:42] <DanaG> (org.freedesktop.hal.power-management.suspend no <-- (action, result))
[23:47] <bluefoxx> i was wondering. how can i make mounting and unmounting hard drives doable to non-root accounts[suid root?]? its becoming quit annoying to mount and unmount my harddrives from the terminal
[23:51] <bluefoxx> ok. why does rhythmbox keep reopening after i close it?
[23:51] <Adys> is it safe to remove libdb4.2 4.4 and 4.5? I got libdb4.6 installed atm
[23:53] <bluefoxx> it wont die until i run while true ; do sleep 2 && killall rhythmbox ; done
[23:54] <b4l74z4r> if i move a window quickly around on the desktop i get horizontal tearing in it, does that happen to everyone?
[23:55] <bluefoxx> upgrade your graphics card. or get one thats not onboard. if you allready have a good card inspect it for damage
[23:55] <b4l74z4r> i have an 8800gt and it works fine in windowa
[23:55] <b4l74z4r> windowa
[23:55] <b4l74z4r> windows
[23:56] <bluefoxx> b4l74z4r: 8800 is new. drivers arnt as devoloped for it i assume
[23:56] <bluefoxx> im on a dying 6200geforce
[23:56] <bluefoxx> pci
[23:56] <b4l74z4r> ok
[23:57] <SilverDawn> Im on a nvidia5500 pci
[23:57] <SilverDawn> >.>
[23:57] <SilverDawn> Its an upgrade from what i was on two weeks ago though
[23:57] <SilverDawn> Good 'ol nvidia geforce4 mx440... served me for a LONG time lol
[23:58] <b4l74z4r> i enjoyed playing doom3 on ubuntu with the settings maxed out
[23:59] <bluefoxx> well, if it is crapping out, inspect it. i found a transistor on mine that was twisted off a little and fixed it[along with a capacitor that was shorted by a flake of metal] and wine no longer lags. compiz and two screens enabled!